1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 01 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 611       Contents:F Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportP RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresentaP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta Apache on OpenVMS? Re: Apache on OpenVMS? Re: Apache on OpenVMS? RE: Apache on OpenVMS? Re: DECforms and ACMS  Re: DECforms and ACMS $ Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?$ Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?$ Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?$ Re: Decnet over IP - where to start? Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: editors 1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? 1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? > Exchange "unformatted write" file between VMS and UNIX FortranB Re: Exchange "unformatted write" file between VMS and UNIX FortranB Re: Exchange "unformatted write" file between VMS and UNIX Fortran" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" RE: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? LAD/LAST Spec needed...  Re: license problems Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes 4 Re: Narrow compatible SCSI controller for OpenVMS...! Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS  Re: Number of users exceeded= Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server  OS Update Ramification Re: PHP for VMS? Re: PHP for VMS?8 Re: Questions about SHOW MEM/SLOTS and swapped processes8 Re: Questions about SHOW MEM/SLOTS and swapped processes Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  RECALL question/suggestion.  RE: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  RE: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion. ' Re: RZ26 dual port with one cable only?  Re: Sixel compatible Printer s Software source book Re: Software source book Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher+ Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed  Re: TCPIP V5.0A SMTP ACCVIO  Re: TCPIP V5.0A SMTP ACCVIO 
 Re: Time Zone ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files 8 VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?2 Re: VIOC max transfer blocks before cache bypassed2 Re: VIOC max transfer blocks before cache bypassed Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS V7.2-19 Re: Was RE: Rdb on VMS reference? - now off-topic, pucker & Re: What could cause ACCVIO in malloc?. RE: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 12:59:21 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)O Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support . Message-ID: <8tp439$r4k$2@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <1NOV200000531689@gerg.tamu.edu>, carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl  Perkins) writes:    G > LSE is quite spiffy. If you tell it to use the EDT keypad, it's basic I > keyboard functionality is very close to EDT (slightly closer than EVE's H > version - although neither one of them will let you include a carriage- > return in a search string, which EDT allows    I use that all the time....    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:40:41 +0000 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>Y Subject: RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F67@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  ' > Wasn't EDT de-supported a while back?   H Support for the "native" EDT command (You'll probably have to set up theI command definition to use it.) was dropped but the EDT emulator in TPU is K supported. You can get the EDT emulator via the EDIT/EDT command. I haven't K been able to detect any differences between the two as far as my use of EDT 
 is concerned.    John    B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 12:58:25 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent . Message-ID: <8tp41h$r4k$1@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <39FF859B.5E674D42@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" & <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:    > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > > ; > > In article <39FEFB8E.CA3132D5@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn % > > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > > 9 > > > You jogged my memory, anyway, whats wrong with TPU?  > > K > > I just have never gotten around to learning it.  Back with 5.5, EDT was J > > the default....I do have it on my list of things to do, mainly for LSEH > > but it also offers some advantages.  It has disadvantages (reads the< > > whole file at the beginning---annoying if it is 100MB),  > I > It also will insert spaces in records where they don't belong. Move the J > cursor into the blank space at the end of a line, type a character, thenD > delete it. The spaces in the record up to the cursor position willA > remain. (At least, this was true of early versions of TPU/EVE.)  >  > > but so does EDT   1 I meant that EDT also has disadvantages, like....   H > Eh, well, not quite - it reads in the first bit of the file (circa. 44  > records), not the entire file. > & > > (maximum 255 characters per line). > E > ....and chokes on records bigger than about 256 characters or so (I % > think, it's close to that, anyway).   C Sometimes, I have to edit the first few lines of a 40 MB PostScript / file.  EDT is definitely the tool of choice....    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 13:01:14 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Y Subject: RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent . Message-ID: <8tp46q$r4k$3@info.service.rug.nl>  
 In articleF <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F67@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John6 Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes:   ) > > Wasn't EDT de-supported a while back?  > J > Support for the "native" EDT command (You'll probably have to set up theK > command definition to use it.) was dropped but the EDT emulator in TPU is M > supported. You can get the EDT emulator via the EDIT/EDT command. I haven't M > been able to detect any differences between the two as far as my use of EDT  > is concerned.   I You mean that when I type EDIT/EDT, what is being invoked is NOT the EDT  F image (IIRC, the ALPHA image is vested from VAX), but is actually TPU I emulation?  If so, it's really good emulation, but somehow I don't think   so.      ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 08:41:07 -0500 , From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)Y Subject: RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent + Message-ID: <D4wbE8ULuDcr@eisner.decus.org>   [ In article <8tp46q$r4k$3@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:  > K > You mean that when I type EDIT/EDT, what is being invoked is NOT the EDT  H > image (IIRC, the ALPHA image is vested from VAX), but is actually TPU K > emulation?  If so, it's really good emulation, but somehow I don't think   > so.     ? EDIT/EDT on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 invokes SYS$SYSTEM:EDT.EXE, not G SYS$SYSTEM:TPU.EXE.  EVE comes with an EDT keyboard emulation only, not D a full implementation of EDT (can't do other than full screen change mode).  E The OpenVMS 7.2, 7.2-1 and 7.2-1H1 SPD states that EVE's EDT keyboard H emulator is provided and "EDT is also supported on OpenVMS Alpha VersionG 7.2 and OpenVMS VAX Version 7.2".  The change notice at the top implies 7 this is not meant to be different for 7.2-1 or 7.2-1H1.   @ To me this reads that real EDT is a currently supported feature.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:44:49 +0000 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>Y Subject: RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F6A@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  L sys$system:edt.exe is indeed a real Alpha image and neither an emulation nor7 vested image. No wonder I couldn't tell the difference!   K EDT used to be a vested image ( approx 1993-1996 ?). I seem to recall that, C when TPU first appeared, there was some talk about dropping EDT and K providing EDT functionality via an emulation in TPU. I have to admit that I I just started using EDIT/EDT at the time and haven't given it much thought 0 since as it worked so well for my editing needs.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:41:53 GMT ! From: Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent ) Message-ID: <8tpa3f$tub$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ) > TPU won't let you insert <CR> in lines.   3 Well, it will - you just have to "ask nicely".  ;-)   " Command: TPU COPY_TEXT(ASCII(13));   Fatz.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:00:53 -0500& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent 8 Message-ID: <17WL5.5456$Zq6.268558@wagner.videotron.net>  G With these in the eve$init file, EVE should look and feel much like EDT    set key edt 
 set cur bound  set scro marg 15% 20%  set righ mar 255 set noexit attr check  define key = ctrl/Z do  ; No reasons not to use it, and LOTS of reasons to DO use it.    Have fun with it!  Syltrem     7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message ( news:8tn8v9$af1$2@info.service.rug.nl...9 > In article <39FEFB8E.CA3132D5@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn # > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > 7 > > You jogged my memory, anyway, whats wrong with TPU?  > I > I just have never gotten around to learning it.  Back with 5.5, EDT was H > the default....I do have it on my list of things to do, mainly for LSEF > but it also offers some advantages.  It has disadvantages (reads theI > whole file at the beginning---annoying if it is 100MB), but so does EDT $ > (maximum 255 characters per line). >    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:10:33 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Y Subject: RE: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent . Message-ID: <8tpmap$37d$1@info.service.rug.nl>  D In article <D4wbE8ULuDcr@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   A > EDIT/EDT on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 invokes SYS$SYSTEM:EDT.EXE, not I > SYS$SYSTEM:TPU.EXE.  EVE comes with an EDT keyboard emulation only, not F > a full implementation of EDT (can't do other than full screen change > mode). > G > The OpenVMS 7.2, 7.2-1 and 7.2-1H1 SPD states that EVE's EDT keyboard J > emulator is provided and "EDT is also supported on OpenVMS Alpha VersionI > 7.2 and OpenVMS VAX Version 7.2".  The change notice at the top implies 9 > this is not meant to be different for 7.2-1 or 7.2-1H1.  > B > To me this reads that real EDT is a currently supported feature.  D Right, which is what I thought.  However, I suppose it can still be H supported but development and documentation "frozen".  Actually, I like E that concept: it's supported but already fully developed so it won't   change!    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:12:02 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent . Message-ID: <8tpmdi$37d$2@info.service.rug.nl>  B In article <17WL5.5456$Zq6.268558@wagner.videotron.net>, "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> writes:    I > With these in the eve$init file, EVE should look and feel much like EDT  > 
 > set key edt  > set cur bound  > set scro marg 15% 20%  > set righ mar 255 > set noexit attr check  > define key = ctrl/Z do > = > No reasons not to use it, and LOTS of reasons to DO use it.   G Well, large files are still a pain, and I have to translate all my EDT   macros to TPU procedures!    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:01:57 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta ) Message-ID: <3A001445.59E705C1@bbc.co.uk>    Phillip Helbig wrote:   9 > In article <39FEFB8E.CA3132D5@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn # > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > 7 > > You jogged my memory, anyway, whats wrong with TPU?  > I > I just have never gotten around to learning it.  Back with 5.5, EDT was H > the default....I do have it on my list of things to do, mainly for LSEF > but it also offers some advantages.  It has disadvantages (reads theI > whole file at the beginning---annoying if it is 100MB), but so does EDT $ > (maximum 255 characters per line).  > aw, come on, I jumped onto TPU during the VMS 4-5 upgrade. EDTA may have been the default in 5.5 but TPU had been around a while.   G Two window mode is a must for me for any sort of development, I learned ? to use TPU as a sort of LSE, before we had LSE licences, or VMS , workstations, only VT220's and LAT sessions.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:05:25 -0500 & From: Ken Robinson <ksrobin@erenj.com>Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta 7 Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001101100336.01c62ca0@clmail>   ) At 02:41 PM 11/01/2000 +0000, Fatz wrote:   + > > TPU won't let you insert <CR> in lines.  > 4 >Well, it will - you just have to "ask nicely".  ;-) > # >Command: TPU COPY_TEXT(ASCII(13));   I An even easier way is to type  control-v followed by the key you want to   insert.    Ken Robinson   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:27:40 +0200 . From: Gennady Meergus <gennady@pbr.gtekil.com> Subject: Apache on OpenVMS? A Message-ID: <001301c043dd$9ad18670$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>    Hello,  ' Does anyone here use Apache on OpenVMS?s  J I installed it yesterday and I am concerned about its security. Please see! below, maybe I'm wrong somewhere.R  I On UNIX/LINUX, it starts with root and then switches to user specified inI8 "user" directive (normally "nobody" is specified there);K On VMS, its startup procedure explicitly runs it under account specified inpK "user", which, in turn, needs SYSPRV or BYPASS in order to bind to port 80.qL As a result, the server process runs with SYSPRV all the time and I'm afraid6 whether every cgi script it runs will also has SYSPRV.  & I run OpenVMS 7.2-1 and TCPWARE 5.3-3.  G So where is my mistake? Does it really needs SYSPRV? (it actually neveroL explicitly says it needs SYSPRV, however it does not work until I give it toL it and the documentation says "must be 'root' in order to bind to port below 1023").t   Thanks and regards,I   Gennady.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 08:08:48 -05003 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>t Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS?e6 Message-ID: <8tp4kv$hp0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>    Gennady Meergus wrote in message8 <001301c043dd$9ad18670$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>... >Hello,  >n( >Does anyone here use Apache on OpenVMS? > K >I installed it yesterday and I am concerned about its security. Please seeh" >below, maybe I'm wrong somewhere. >.J >On UNIX/LINUX, it starts with root and then switches to user specified in9 >"user" directive (normally "nobody" is specified there); L >On VMS, its startup procedure explicitly runs it under account specified inL >"user", which, in turn, needs SYSPRV or BYPASS in order to bind to port 80.F >As a result, the server process runs with SYSPRV all the time and I'm afraid7 >whether every cgi script it runs will also has SYSPRV.X >r' >I run OpenVMS 7.2-1 and TCPWARE 5.3-3.  > H >So where is my mistake? Does it really needs SYSPRV? (it actually neverJ >explicitly says it needs SYSPRV, however it does not work until I give it toG >it and the documentation says "must be 'root' in order to bind to porte below  >1023").  G The main APACHE$WWW process does not run with SYSPRV or BYPASS; it onlywG requires NETMBX and TMPMBX. The process that starts Apache by executing I @SYS$STARTUP:APACHE$STARTUP needs numerous privileges in order to installhK the necessary images and to start the APACHE$WWW process but the APACHE$WWWd) process runs with only NETMBX and TMPMBX.m   Gaitan D'Antonid. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderE http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.htmli Compaq Computer Corporationa   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:39:51 -05003 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>H Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS?s6 Message-ID: <8tp9vn$imo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>    Gennady Meergus wrote in message8 <001301c043dd$9ad18670$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>... >Hello,t >/( >Does anyone here use Apache on OpenVMS? > K >I installed it yesterday and I am concerned about its security. Please seeA" >below, maybe I'm wrong somewhere. >eJ >On UNIX/LINUX, it starts with root and then switches to user specified in9 >"user" directive (normally "nobody" is specified there); L >On VMS, its startup procedure explicitly runs it under account specified inL >"user", which, in turn, needs SYSPRV or BYPASS in order to bind to port 80.F >As a result, the server process runs with SYSPRV all the time and I'm afraid7 >whether every cgi script it runs will also has SYSPRV.e >i' >I run OpenVMS 7.2-1 and TCPWARE 5.3-3.i > H >So where is my mistake? Does it really needs SYSPRV? (it actually neverJ >explicitly says it needs SYSPRV, however it does not work until I give it toG >it and the documentation says "must be 'root' in order to bind to port  belowt >1023").  < There's an ECO from Process Software that fixes this problem http://vms.process.com/eco.html    Gaitan D'Antoni . Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderE http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.htmle Compaq Computer Corporationr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:12:14 +0200e. From: Gennady Meergus <gennady@pbr.gtekil.com> Subject: RE: Apache on OpenVMS?rA Message-ID: <001201c04416$1e28e620$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>e   Gaitan,    Thank you very much.  0 I've downloaded the ECO and I'll try it tonight. I'll post the results here.   
 Kind regards,a   Gennadyy   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Gaitan D'Antoni [mailto:gaitan.dantoni@COMPAQ.COM]* > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 16:40 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ! > Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS?- >  > " > Gennady Meergus wrote in message: > <001301c043dd$9ad18670$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>...	 > >Hello,i > >.* > >Does anyone here use Apache on OpenVMS? > >f9 > >I installed it yesterday and I am concerned about its D > security. Please see$ > >below, maybe I'm wrong somewhere. > > @ > >On UNIX/LINUX, it starts with root and then switches to user  > specified in; > >"user" directive (normally "nobody" is specified there);s: > >On VMS, its startup procedure explicitly runs it under  > account specified in> > >"user", which, in turn, needs SYSPRV or BYPASS in order to  > bind to port 80.H > >As a result, the server process runs with SYSPRV all the time and I'm > afraid9 > >whether every cgi script it runs will also has SYSPRV.u > > ) > >I run OpenVMS 7.2-1 and TCPWARE 5.3-3.f > >X< > >So where is my mistake? Does it really needs SYSPRV? (it  > actually never= > >explicitly says it needs SYSPRV, however it does not work   > until I give ito > to= > >it and the documentation says "must be 'root' in order to w > bind to port > belowa
 > >1023"). > > > There's an ECO from Process Software that fixes this problem! > http://vms.process.com/eco.html> >  > Gaitan D'Antoni 0 > Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderG > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html  > Compaq Computer Corporationb   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 10:46 -0400 From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m Subject: Re: DECforms and ACMS% Message-ID: <1NOV200010461107@miasys>a  V In article <B623ABC7.F82%jmendez@coqui.net>, Jose Mendez <jmendez@coqui.net> writes...J >I am a Network Manager, not a System Manager.  However, there is an errorI >popping up on my user's screen and my network is being blamed for it.  I ; >don't agree so I ask for someone to help me clear this up.r  4 The problem is very unlikely to be a Network issues.= More likely to be a VMS, or ACMS  resource/parameter setting.s  ' > When the first hundred or two hundred L >user log in they do so with no problem.  Then after users start getting the >following error on screen:e > E >    No layout in the DECforms form for menu fits this terminal type,l  >    language, and display size.  C This is a very early action in the DECforms code where is tries to  G match the terminal setting ($SHOW TERM) with the capabilities described'4 in the form. So the basic reasons go down two paths:D Either the terminal settings are wrong or DECforms can not read themH after X number of users. The assumption is that the forms library works.  J You can/should verify the terminal setting by augmenting the login scriptsJ with a command like SHOW TERM (for a while, controlled by system logical).G Perhaps you want a private flavor of login.com to be used by a selectedDD few that display more info all the time, error or success to be able& to compare what changes after failure.  C The DECforms resources are potentiall limited by the ACMS settings. G Is this an appolication where a single ACMS front-end 'command process'eI handles many users? Approaching the limit? DOes it have all the resourceseI to deal with all the users it is allowed to handle? Need more front-ends?nD Channel count? file limits? BIO/DIO/AST limit for ACMS process below4 the needs for the number of users trying to connect.  B Perhaps the NOLAYOUT message is just the final in a long series ofF more detailed messages. Is there some trace somewhere? ACMS error log?C ACMS audit trace? Can you use FORMS$TRACE in your environment after- the failures start?-  0 The 100 - 200 users is too vague to be usefull. ( Can they come up with a precise number? 0 Note, that number might not be just 'logged-in'.; It could be 'connected to ACMS', or 'active in ACMS', or...n  
 Good luck!   Hein.t  E ------------------------ sample FORMS$TRACE output I found ----------b DECterm w80 h36   7 Begin trace output to xxx:[xxx]INSPECT$FORMS.TRACE;1 at  17-MAY-1994 11:44:14.56.   Begin ENABLE request. !   Begin Initialize request phase.P,     Validate the arguments for this request.G     Begin searching FORMS$AR_FORM_TABLE for form named 'INSPECT$FORMS'. '       Form named 'INSPECT$FORMS' found.Y&     End search of FORMS$AR_FORM_TABLE.     Begin selecting a layout. ;       Specified enable device is a Character Cell Terminal. :       No layout with a matching language clause was found.K       Character cell terminal is a VT300 Color. Width of 132. Height of 36. :       No layout with a matching language clause was found.Q       Now searching layouts without language clauses for a suitable device match. P       No layout in this form fits the terminal type, language, and display size.     End selecting a layout.-O     %FORMS-E-NOLAYOUT, no layout in this form fits the terminal type, language,p and display size.r+     Returning receive control text "ES003".e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:51:42 +0300.4 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU> Subject: Re: DECforms and ACMS0 Message-ID: <3A003C0E.EC26F030@SMTP.DeltaTel.RU>  E Did you try to use "$define forms$trace t" to get some more details ?;   Jose Mendez wrote: > K > I am a Network Manager, not a System Manager.  However, there is an errorsJ > popping up on my user's screen and my network is being blamed for it.  I< > don't agree so I ask for someone to help me clear this up. > H > We are running a fairly large database application using RdB, ACMS forN > transaction management, and DECforms.  When the first hundred or two hundredM > user log in they do so with no problem.  Then after users start getting the  > following error on screen: > F >     No layout in the DECforms form for menu fits this terminal type,! >     language, and display size.e > K > The login script then displays a text message, requesting to hit enter at L > the end, to then enter into the first form of the application.  As soon asM > return is hit, the error message "Initial task failed" is displayed and the  > session is disconnected. > M > I've noticed that during lunch hour, terminals log in with no problems, butn5 > then after 1:00PM things start getting hairy again.  > J > My question is, who provides DECforms with a description of the terminal > type, language and display?  > " > Help will be deeply appreciated. >  > Thank you. > 
 > Jose Mendezz > Dept. of Transportationt
 > Puerto Ricoo   -- o Cheers,yF +OpenVMS [Sys|Net] HardWorker........................................+E  Russia,Delta Telecom Inc,                    Cel:  +7 (901) 971-3222EE  191119,St.Petersburg,Transportny per. 3                     116-3222gE                                               Fax:  +7 (812) 115-1099 G +http://www.levitte.org/~rlaishev/ .......... SysMan rides HailStorm +
e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:39:21 GMTh/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> - Subject: Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?a) Message-ID: <8tokrp$e8v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l   Thanks for the replies  E Maybe I am being  slow but how do I tell VMS/DECNET/UCX that comms toe6 nodex is to be decnet over IP rather that just decnet?? Or does it do it automatically? (surely it can be controlled??)yG Basically I want the current decnet comms between 2 VMS nodes to becomenA decnet over IP so we can move one of the nodes onto a part of the " network that doesn't allow decnet.
 TIA as always    Mike  C p.s. a manual reference would still be usefull - or are the phase 5e manual too obscure?  --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:49:33 GMTn/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>e- Subject: Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?e) Message-ID: <8tolet$elf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  F Thanks - book sounds great - just one problem - it won't let me orders, it if my delivery addres is outside the USA.> Does anyone know how I can get Compaq UK to send me one free??! Thanks to all ofr pointing it outp   Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.m   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:17:03 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>- Subject: Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?n+ Message-ID: <8toqk3$nrm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   ` "Mike Price" <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> wrote in message news:8tokrp$e8v$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  G > Maybe I am being  slow but how do I tell VMS/DECNET/UCX that comms toe8 > nodex is to be decnet over IP rather that just decnet?A > Or does it do it automatically? (surely it can be controlled??)-  H When it queries the name service for an address, that also specifies theH transport to be used. So, as Peter posted earlier, you'll want to add in5 the Domain (IP DNS) service as one of your resolvers.-  L For people without a lot of Phase V: Local, BIND are going to be the typicalJ resolvers. So if you set up the nodes with this, and then update the LocalB entries to remove the remote nodes DECnet binding, you'll be fine.  E > p.s. a manual reference would still be usefull - or are the phase 5m > manual too obscure?t  I They tend to suffer from the fact that they are overkill for most people.o< Phase V was designed to support 10 000+ node networks, whereF you could afford the investment in time to read all the documentation.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:35:08 GMTr From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>- Subject: Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?e' Message-ID: <39FFFFEC.CB595A08@home.nl>p   Mike Price wrote:g >  > Thanks for the replies > G > Maybe I am being  slow but how do I tell VMS/DECNET/UCX that comms to>8 > nodex is to be decnet over IP rather that just decnet?A > Or does it do it automatically? (surely it can be controlled??)    suppose you did   : COPY MYNODE::[MYDIR]MYFILE  ORHERNODE::[OTHERDIR]OTHERFILE   then this will ben  ( COPY MYNODE.MYDOMAIN.COM::[MYDIR]MYFILE + ORHERNODE.MYDOMAIN.COM::[OTHERDIR]OTHERFILEi   or  $ COPY IP$200.11.12.13::[MYDIR]MYFILE $ IP$200.20.30.40::[OTHERDIR]OTHERFILE  H As soon as DECnet sees a IP structured nodename it will switch to DECnet over IP.H It is also possible to use just the nodename (MYNODE), but then you haveC tell DECnet to use the IP DNS first for name resolution. There is ay setting for that somewhere.e    I > Basically I want the current decnet comms between 2 VMS nodes to becomeoC > decnet over IP so we can move one of the nodes onto a part of thea$ > network that doesn't allow decnet. > TIA as alwayse >  > Mike > E > p.s. a manual reference would still be usefull - or are the phase 5  > manual too obscure?o > --D > All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
 > employer > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:11:04 +0000r0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.2* Message-ID: <39FFFA48.DC111710@uk.sun.com>   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > andrew harrison wrote:= > > If however you want availability and scalability then for"; > > scalability reasons you need to partition your data anda8 > > your users which is a much trickier proposition than$ > > simply running OPS on two nodes. > >-; > > Strangely this isn't spin as any Oracle OPS trained DBA0 > > will tell youe > ! > OK, here is a serious question:: > N > Is this where 64 bit memory and VLM make a significant difference because itA > allows you to scale a single database without partitioning it ?t    ; Well that depends on your database, access paterns and the s5 capabilities of the HW platform hosting the database.,  ; The whole point about 64bit memory and VLM is that it isn'tu; a magic button that will suddenly make all apps go faster. S  < For example a DBMS with a small number of very large tables ; say 1-2 TB may not benefit at all from VLM and you will gete> much better performance paybacks by tuning your I/O subsystem.  = And at the end of the day the major benefit of VLM is that it < defers doing read I/O which is its big performance benefit, = if for example you are in a write intensive environment then (B this won't help and what you need is more I/O which may translate ; itself into having to use more Nodes to do the I/O e.g OPS m and partitioning.d  B The capabilities of the HW platform is also important, VLM without> a reasonable amount of available memory isn't that usefull and@ that was always the issue with the 8400/GS140. This was probably@ the reason why Digital/Compaq were never able to demonstrate the benefitsC of 64bit/VLM on any standard DBMS benchmarks that could be compared6> with other vendors results. In fact there is no evidence that ? Compaq tried to make any use of VLM for any of these benchmarks @ and if they did there the results obtained were not competitive.  = Of course the GS320 supports much more memory than the GS140 s< making caching large tables a possibility however the highly< Non-unifomness of the GS320 memory subsystem has introduced ; a new set of issues which add another dimension to anyones n) efforts to tune their DBMS on the system.i     Regards  Andrew Harrisonh Enterprise IT Architecth   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:00:22 GMTi+ From: Jordan Henderson <jordan@my-deja.com>1% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.m) Message-ID: <8tpb61$uvv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   * In article <39FFFA48.DC111710@uk.sun.com>,3   andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  >  > [snip] >tD > The capabilities of the HW platform is also important, VLM without@ > a reasonable amount of available memory isn't that usefull andB > that was always the issue with the 8400/GS140. This was probablyB > the reason why Digital/Compaq were never able to demonstrate the
 > benefitsE > of 64bit/VLM on any standard DBMS benchmarks that could be comparedt? > with other vendors results. In fact there is no evidence thataA > Compaq tried to make any use of VLM for any of these benchmarkspB > and if they did there the results obtained were not competitive. >p  F Can anyone doubt that Andrew is on a FUD campaign against Compaq here?  D He so often accuses me of producing FUD based on extrapolations withD no evidence.  Here, above, he admits that there is "no evidence" forF what Compaq may or may not have done.  Then, he goes on to say that if> Compaq had done those benchmarks the results obtained were not> competitive, all based on what he admits is "no evidence".  AnB employee of one company spreading rumors and made up stories based@ on "no evidence" to detract from a competitor's offerings is the& clearest example of FUD I can imagine.  @ There can be no question, that Andrew is all about producing FUDD on comp.os.vms.  Since we know that other Sun employees read what heA says here, including a SIMS product manager who had to correct antE outright fabrication, the only remaining question is whether he has ai: charter from his management to be here spreading this FUD.   > [snip] >e	 > Regardsn > Andrew HarrisonT > Enterprise IT Architectr >s   -- -Jordan Hendersonl jordan@greenapple.comu    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:56:19 GMTo From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.r' Message-ID: <3A003D22.54EBDB47@home.nl>t   andrew harrison wrote: >  > JF Mezei wrote:  > >c > > andrew harrison wrote:? > > > If however you want availability and scalability then fors= > > > scalability reasons you need to partition your data and-: > > > your users which is a much trickier proposition than& > > > simply running OPS on two nodes. > > >o= > > > Strangely this isn't spin as any Oracle OPS trained DBA$ > > > will tell youa > >.# > > OK, here is a serious question:  > >mP > > Is this where 64 bit memory and VLM make a significant difference because itC > > allows you to scale a single database without partitioning it ?  > < > Well that depends on your database, access paterns and the7 > capabilities of the HW platform hosting the database.i > = > The whole point about 64bit memory and VLM is that it isn'tu< > a magic button that will suddenly make all apps go faster. > = > For example a DBMS with a small number of very large tableso= > say 1-2 TB may not benefit at all from VLM and you will getd@ > much better performance paybacks by tuning your I/O subsystem. > ? > And at the end of the day the major benefit of VLM is that ite= > defers doing read I/O which is its big performance benefit,d> > if for example you are in a write intensive environment thenC > this won't help and what you need is more I/O which may translater< > itself into having to use more Nodes to do the I/O e.g OPS > and partitioning.v > D > The capabilities of the HW platform is also important, VLM without@ > a reasonable amount of available memory isn't that usefull andB > that was always the issue with the 8400/GS140. This was probablyB > the reason why Digital/Compaq were never able to demonstrate the
 > benefitsE > of 64bit/VLM on any standard DBMS benchmarks that could be compared ? > with other vendors results. In fact there is no evidence that A > Compaq tried to make any use of VLM for any of these benchmarksaB > and if they did there the results obtained were not competitive.  H Of course, the 8x00 series were designed a long time ago when memory wasH still very expensive. And Unix was 32 bits, VMS was 64 bits years beforeE any Unix version. Even today, VMS can address 8 TB, True64 only 28GB.02 True64 wil be able to handel more memory in V5.2.    > > > Of course the GS320 supports much more memory than the GS140> > making caching large tables a possibility however the highly= > Non-unifomness of the GS320 memory subsystem has introduced.< > a new set of issues which add another dimension to anyones+ > efforts to tune their DBMS on the system.d  C And how much memory can a E10000 have ? According to my informationeH 35GB, and that is roughly the same as a ES40 (32GB). Compare that to theG GS320 with 256GB max. Maybe there are tuning issues, but at least theree is something to tune.o     > 	 > Regards. > Andrew Harrisons > Enterprise IT Architectg   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:29:20 GMT 4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.D; Message-ID: <AxXL5.62842$76.1119777@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>(  8 "Jordan Henderson" <jordan@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8tpb61$uvv$1@nnrp1.deja.com...:, > In article <39FFFA48.DC111710@uk.sun.com>,5 >   andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:a > >t
 > > [snip] > >oF > > The capabilities of the HW platform is also important, VLM withoutB > > a reasonable amount of available memory isn't that usefull andD > > that was always the issue with the 8400/GS140. This was probablyD > > the reason why Digital/Compaq were never able to demonstrate the > > benefitsG > > of 64bit/VLM on any standard DBMS benchmarks that could be comparedfA > > with other vendors results. In fact there is no evidence thatiC > > Compaq tried to make any use of VLM for any of these benchmarksaD > > and if they did there the results obtained were not competitive. > >o >aH > Can anyone doubt that Andrew is on a FUD campaign against Compaq here? > F > He so often accuses me of producing FUD based on extrapolations withF > no evidence.  Here, above, he admits that there is "no evidence" forH > what Compaq may or may not have done.  Then, he goes on to say that if@ > Compaq had done those benchmarks the results obtained were not@ > competitive, all based on what he admits is "no evidence".  AnD > employee of one company spreading rumors and made up stories basedB > on "no evidence" to detract from a competitor's offerings is the( > clearest example of FUD I can imagine. >tB > There can be no question, that Andrew is all about producing FUDF > on comp.os.vms.  Since we know that other Sun employees read what heC > says here, including a SIMS product manager who had to correct an G > outright fabrication, the only remaining question is whether he has aP< > charter from his management to be here spreading this FUD. >n  H One does tend to wonder what exactly Andrew does all day besides FUDdingE this group.  If you look up FUD in the dictionary, you might also see 1 something like "See also Enterprise IT Architect"   H (well, that certainly ought to pour some gas on the fire, shouldn't it?)    
 > > [snip] > >  > > Regardsl > > Andrew HarrisonC > > Enterprise IT Architect  > >  >  > -- > -Jordan Henderson  > jordan@greenapple.com. >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:35:43 +0000g- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>t% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again. ) Message-ID: <3A00546F.FE417196@bbc.co.uk>p   Curtis Rempel wrote:   >u > >  >eJ > One does tend to wonder what exactly Andrew does all day besides FUDdingG > this group.  If you look up FUD in the dictionary, you might also seeT3 > something like "See also Enterprise IT Architect"3 >3J > (well, that certainly ought to pour some gas on the fire, shouldn't it?) >   @ Hey Curtis, I wonder if your manager wonders what you do all day on this INFO-VAX thing.n   :-) :-) :-) :-)r  D Its OK, I know the difference is that we don't spend all day winding up comp.os.solaris.   -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukW  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:30:45 GMTy4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.e; Message-ID: <pjZL5.62953$76.1124717@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>t  : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:3A00546F.FE417196@bbc.co.uk...  >e >n > Curtis Rempel wrote: >" > >a > > >f > >"L > > One does tend to wonder what exactly Andrew does all day besides FUDdingI > > this group.  If you look up FUD in the dictionary, you might also seeP5 > > something like "See also Enterprise IT Architect"  > >hL > > (well, that certainly ought to pour some gas on the fire, shouldn't it?) > >y > B > Hey Curtis, I wonder if your manager wonders what you do all day > on this INFO-VAX thing.o >t > :-) :-) :-) :-)o  # She doesn't wonder, she knows!  :-)H   >rF > Its OK, I know the difference is that we don't spend all day winding > up comp.os.solaris.:   ;-)0  
 Precisely!   :-),   >  --b8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr >sC > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  > MedAS or the BBC.r >  >e   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 08:19:22 GMT - From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)n Subject: Re: editors5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-iocE2h7hBn1L@localhost>   1 On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:02:45, "Richard L. Dyson" d <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote:d  A > 	SEDT (EDT that was ported to the DEC Raindow and later for any?F > platform) is still around and is freeware now.  I have used it sinceH > 1985 on VMS (VAX & ALP), Unixes, PC (DOS & Windows) and even an Amiga.0 > I believe it is also known to work on Linux... > / > 	http://www.ultranet.com/~anker/sedt/sedt.htme >   C A great editor. I've also used it for years and my fingers find it w difficult to adapt to others.t  A I've only got one problem at the momemt and that it crashes when eD expanded filespecs exceed 80 chars. I picked up the source and know * what to change. Has anybody beat me to it?   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:22:54 +0010$% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au : Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?5 Message-ID: <01JW1CE6Q7RM0063E8@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    David Dachtera wrote:   G > What I'd like to see is the ability to support user-defined lexicals,l4 > perhaps even U$function() instead of F$function().  P Not so sure why we have to burden DCL with this.  We can already write HLL code N and use the RTLs to deposit symbols/logicals.  Call your program U$function1, N etc.  The small image activation would probably be less than the accumulative  overhead on DCL.  J Not something I would support unless told that it could be done trivially.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,b
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiat   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:25:12 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) : Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?0 Message-ID: <009F2754.F438AF0B@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <39FF82BE.E648051D@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:o >Patrick Spinler wrote: 	 >> [snip]sG >> p.s. Compaq, MAKE DCL USER EXTENDABLE THE SIMILAR TO PERL ! Please !e >r; >Well, technically, it is. See HELP SET COMMAND and the CDU D >documentation, as well as any available reference regarding foreign >commands and DCL$PATH.t >.F >What I'd like to see is the ability to support user-defined lexicals,= >perhaps even U$function() instead of F$function(). Picture a E >user-defined DCL RTL, such as DCL$USER_SHARE or something similar...i >w% >Then again, envision whirled peas...   G I've hacked together the crux of a F$call() which would permit a custom F stub to be loaded and invoked.  I've not visited this in some time butF I might be convinced if 'the price is right'.  I just do not have timeF to work on such interesting hacks when I have too much to do that pays
 the mortgage.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             IO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 09:48:37 GMTr5 From: ichihara@rarfaxp.riken.go.jp (Takashi Ichihara)OG Subject: Exchange "unformatted write" file between VMS and UNIX Fortranl- Message-ID: <8tootl$gov$1@riksun.riken.go.jp>e  
   Hi folks  B   I want to read a file at True64 UNIX, which was written at Open H VMS/AXP using Fortran "unformatted write" statement.  But the following F errors occurs during the unformatted read at True64 UNIX, DEC Fortran.  F     forrtl: severe (24): end-of-file during read, unit 1, file testi.d
           I     forrtl: severe (67): input statement requires too much data, unit 1,       file testi.d    or     What I did is as follows:.  G   (1) Write a file using  Fortran "unformatted write" on VMS. (write.f) D       (OpenVMS V6.2-1H3, DIGITAL Fortran 77 X7.1-156, UCX 4.2 ECO 2)  B   (2) Binary ftp the file testi.d from Open VMS/AXP to True64 UNIX  L   (3) Read the file using Fortran "unformatted read" on True64 UNIX (read.f)?       (OSF1 V4.0 1229 alpha, DIGITAL Fortran 77 V5.2-171-428BH)l  =    Then the read error occurs with the error messages above. w  F    Is there any special method to transfer or convert file written by E "unformatted write" on Open VMS/AXP Fortran to True64 UNIX System ?  0 Thanks for the information.K  3   Very simple example of the program is as follows:b  % (write.f)  : execute at Open VMS/AXP e       integer*4 IX(1024)       data IX/1024*0/d
       IX(1)=1        IX(1024)=1024 <       open(1,file='testi.d',status='new',form='UNFORMATTED')       write(1) ixh
       stop	       endh  I Binary ftp the file (testi.d) from Open VMS/AXP to True 64 Unix and then    ! (read.f) : execute at True64 Unixe       integer*4 IX(1024)<       open(1,file='testi.d',status='old',form='UNFORMATTED')       read(1) ix       write(6,*) IX(1),IX(1024)w
       stop	       ende  K Result:  forrtl: severe (24): end-of-file during read, unit 1, file testi.dh  + 		Takashi Ichihara (ichihara @ riken.go.jp)g   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 09:48:19 -0500. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>K Subject: Re: Exchange "unformatted write" file between VMS and UNIX Fortrang+ Message-ID: <8tpacj$jvr$1@bob.news.rcn.net>n   Hello --  J I don't have a TRU64 UNIX to test this myself, but in no particular order:  : 1) Did you try the ftp transfer in text (vs. binary) mode?L 2) Are you sure the 'format' of the TRU64 unformatted data files is the sameK as on VMS?  On VMS, each unformatted record is a 'logical record', which isoE implemented as a series of one or more variable length records with aoJ two-byte header (values 00 - 03) that dictates which 'part' of a 'logical'L record it is -- first record, last record, 'middle record', and only record.D This allows the unformatted records to be of arbitrary length.  I am& uncertain of the TRU64 implementation.  = Perhaps Steve Lionel of COMPAQ will be able to clear this up.    Ken Randellb  F Takashi Ichihara wrote in message <8tootl$gov$1@riksun.riken.go.jp>... >  Hi folksf >tB >  I want to read a file at True64 UNIX, which was written at OpenH >VMS/AXP using Fortran "unformatted write" statement.  But the followingG >errors occurs during the unformatted read at True64 UNIX, DEC Fortran.  >jG >    forrtl: severe (24): end-of-file during read, unit 1, file testi.dc > I >    forrtl: severe (67): input statement requires too much data, unit 1,o >    file testi.d    or  >  >  What I did is as follows: >oH >  (1) Write a file using  Fortran "unformatted write" on VMS. (write.f)E >      (OpenVMS V6.2-1H3, DIGITAL Fortran 77 X7.1-156, UCX 4.2 ECO 2)i >tC >  (2) Binary ftp the file testi.d from Open VMS/AXP to True64 UNIXe >vD >  (3) Read the file using Fortran "unformatted read" on True64 UNIX (read.f)@ >      (OSF1 V4.0 1229 alpha, DIGITAL Fortran 77 V5.2-171-428BH) > = >   Then the read error occurs with the error messages above.L >oF >   Is there any special method to transfer or convert file written byD >"unformatted write" on Open VMS/AXP Fortran to True64 UNIX System ? >Thanks for the information. > 4 >  Very simple example of the program is as follows: >a% >(write.f)  : execute at Open VMS/AXPh >      integer*4 IX(1024)e >      data IX/1024*0/ >      IX(1)=1 >      IX(1024)=1024= >      open(1,file='testi.d',status='new',form='UNFORMATTED')s >      write(1) ix >      stopv
 >      end > I >Binary ftp the file (testi.d) from Open VMS/AXP to True 64 Unix and theno >a" >(read.f) : execute at True64 Unix >      integer*4 IX(1024)m= >      open(1,file='testi.d',status='old',form='UNFORMATTED')n >      read(1) ixn  >      write(6,*) IX(1),IX(1024) >      stopF
 >      end >vL >Result:  forrtl: severe (24): end-of-file during read, unit 1, file testi.d >S+ > Takashi Ichihara (ichihara @ riken.go.jp)u >g >f >i >i >  >  >y   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 10:12 -0400 From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*mK Subject: Re: Exchange "unformatted write" file between VMS and UNIX Fortrant% Message-ID: <1NOV200010122951@miasys>d  g In article <8tootl$gov$1@riksun.riken.go.jp>, ichihara@rarfaxp.riken.go.jp (Takashi Ichihara) writes...-  C >  I want to read a file at True64 UNIX, which was written at Open oI >VMS/AXP using Fortran "unformatted write" statement.  But the following BG >errors occurs during the unformatted read at True64 UNIX, DEC Fortran.   F Unfortunatly the Unix systems I have access to, currently do not have I Fortran installed. So I can only help by outlining wht i would have done.n  D Anyway, on VMS the fortran program will generate a 'variable length'C record file with maximum record size 2044 where each file record isiC a part (segment) of the application data record. To implement this, G there is a header value for each segment (= rms record) which indicatesLJ whether this segment is the first (1), middle (0), last(2) or only(3) one A needed to build an application record. Use DUMP/RECORD to verify.u  C >  (2) Binary ftp the file testi.d from Open VMS/AXP to True64 UNIXo  C That means you have send the record length 'overhead' words (in theiB test case values 2044, 2044 and 14 over to Unix. DOes it know whatI to do with that? Use DUMP/BLOC to verify. On Unix use some flavor of 'od'e  M >  (3) Read the file using Fortran "unformatted read" on True64 UNIX (read.f) @ >      (OSF1 V4.0 1229 alpha, DIGITAL Fortran 77 V5.2-171-428BH)  H Here I'd suggest you run the file creation program on Unix and dump (od)H the resulting file to understand the implemenation. Actually, in reality? i would probably do a binary transfer to VMS and DUMP it there.n  H Once you know how the Unix file should look like, I am sure you can findI a way on VMS to create it just so. Maybe all it takes is FTP in text mode G (I doubt it, considering the binary data). Maybe it takes a $CONVERT tol@ STREAM_LF (again, unlikely if there is binary data, but maybe).   L The FOrtran documentation on Unix should also explain what data is expected.   hth, 	Heint   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 06:36:10 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?e' Message-ID: <39FFB9D9.6FF64E6B@home.nl>    Netsurfer wrote: > F > I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewE > years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.e > 3 > Can someone feed me with the related information? H > I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user
 > profile.  G Don't have the quota information for you, but for the backup itself youc can use the following switches:e  ) /block_size=65535/media_format=compactione  E When you mount the tape use /media_format=compaction/cache=tape_data.e         > 
 > Regards, >  > Netsurfere >  >  > ====T > For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:33:06 +0010n% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au2+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?x5 Message-ID: <01JW1CQU1OLU0061ML@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>s   Netsurfer wrote: > F > I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewE > years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.m > 3 > Can someone feed me with the related information?:H > I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user
 > profile.  K Apart from the good advice you have received from various regarding backup $K account quotas, I would also suggest that you always use /media=compaction n# (assuming you have media that can).o  O My experience is that backup happens whilst I'm asleep so not too worried, but  K when someone looses a file, a compacted tape works much quicker than a not.t  Q I use maximum blocksize and compaction, and I understand that the latter happens   at the DLT drive.g  P Beware, someone more experienced may tell you how wrong I am, I'm just going by  what I perceive.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,s
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiaa   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,a; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 06:46:25 -0500i) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netC+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?s9 Message-ID: <3a0002b1$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>r  = In <jksuvs48qbmd61u5p37183545uvju0hbjo@4ax.com>, on 11/01/00 iE    at 09:34 AM, Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> said:d  ; Block size for the tape plus QueuedIO for the user account.m   Roland  E >I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewaD >years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.  2 >Can someone feed me with the related information?G >I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user 	 >profile.t >     	 >Regards,n  
 >Netsurfer   >    s >====rJ >For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail	 >address.s --  ; -----------------------------------------------------------hD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------H   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:27:52 -0500 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>+ Subject: RE: How to boost DLT backup speed?-K Message-ID: <91A9507020DBD311992F0008C709517C545CD5@MBCALBEXC00.BENDER.COM>    > -----Original Message-----' > From: Dirk Munk [mailto:munk@home.nl]n, > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 1:36 AM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comu- > Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?t >A > Netsurfer wrote: > > H > > I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewG > > years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.l > > 5 > > Can someone feed me with the related information?'? > > I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota o
 > in the usern > > profile. > ? > Don't have the quota information for you, but for the backup   > itself you! > can use the following switches:s > + > /block_size=65535/media_format=compactionR > G > When you mount the tape use /media_format=compaction/cache=tape_data.l  D I believe you might want to use a block size of 32256, such that in F restore or disaster recovery operations you can copy the savesets fromH tape to disk and then disk to disk if needed.  As I recall, with a blockJ size of 32256, it allows for more flexibility with the resulting savesets.  G Perhaps someone can confirm.  I can't seem to locate my notes on.  ThiscD probably has something to do with the glazed over look of amazement C of seeing my application run many fold quicker on a GS160 Model 16."   :) jck   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 15:49:40 GMTl1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)u+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? : Message-ID: <8tpe2k$onu$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  E >I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS few D >years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.  2 >Can someone feed me with the related information?G >I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the userw	 >profile.e >   G Once you make the blocksize a reasonable value, you should also look atrE the specs on the tape drive to make sure you aren't expecting greatermG throughput than drive itself is capable of.  My TZ88 lists a max. write F rate of 3.0 MB/sec if using compression.  If you factor in that backupE writes 11 blocks to table for every 10 blocks of data, you get around D 10 gigabytes/hour as a threoretical maximum.  I usually get around 8 GB/sec on backup.       < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:cL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  + Disclaimer: Dogs can't tell it's not bacon.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:30:29 +0000P- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>.+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?u) Message-ID: <3A004525.2CB3AC0A@bbc.co.uk>/   David Jones wrote:   >a >dI > Once you make the blocksize a reasonable value, you should also look ataG > the specs on the tape drive to make sure you aren't expecting greatersI > throughput than drive itself is capable of.  My TZ88 lists a max. writekH > rate of 3.0 MB/sec if using compression.  If you factor in that backupG > writes 11 blocks to table for every 10 blocks of data, you get aroundmF > 10 gigabytes/hour as a threoretical maximum.  I usually get around 8 > GB/sec on backup.?  E  OK, I'm being a pedant today, I think David meant GB/hour not GB/seca. (I did a quick back of the envelope estimate).  5 Otherwise, I WANT one of those DLT drives he has :-).n   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofl MedAS or the BBC.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:49:51 -0700i+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> + Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? ( Message-ID: <3A0049AF.2D510E99@mmaz.com>  O There also was a tape accelerator product from a San Diego based company, TouchyS Technologies I believe, that would cache writes to the tape drive so that the drive  would remaining streaming.   Barryl   Netsurfer wrote:  F > I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewE > years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.e >r3 > Can someone feed me with the related information?eH > I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user
 > profile. >F
 > Regards, >a > Netsurfer  >v >J > ====T > For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:06:16 -0500 & From: Dick Munroe <munroe@csworks.com>  Subject: LAD/LAST Spec needed...4 Message-ID: <v04210115b6260b45ef19@[140.186.88.130]>  F I'm doing a gig for Compaq and I'm in need of a machine readable copy F of the LAD/LAST protocol specification.  So far all the Q's been able D to find is hardcopy, which is cool as far as it goes, but I like my   docs on disk if at all possible.  D Anybody out there from the company formerly known as Digital with a F copy of this stuff in your archives that you'ld be willing to pass on?   Thanks in advance,   Dick --+ Dick Munroe			(E) mailto:munroe@csworks.com - Cottage Software Works, Inc.	(O) 978 815 1622E PMB 361				(F) 617 489 0328i, 464 Common St.			(W) http://www.acornsw.com/ Belmont, Ma. 02478   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:34:56 -0500 . From: Wayne Corelli <wayne.corelli@compaq.com> Subject: Re: license problems * Message-ID: <3A00462F.ACD10B07@compaq.com>   Hey Richard,    The Richard from CETS2000 right?   Wayne    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:24:03 GMTt' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>d  Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes- Message-ID: <3A000AF9.638E71AE@theblakes.com>    Alan Greig wrote:o  B > Trying to run the OpenVMS Primer for Systems Managers on the VMS; > website (Netscape 4 and higher version) causes an ACCVIO.e  O Any page which contains java will cause OpenVMS M18 to crash. You can avoid thefA crash by turning off java (which, of course, isn't there anyway).n; Edit->Preferences->Advanced and then uncheck "Enable Java".    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:04:34 GMTM% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)f  Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes2 Message-ID: <3a000693.1976864110@news.newsguy.com>  E On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:22:08 +0100, Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>  wrote:     >mI >2. I'm not able to send an e-mail using MOZILLA. The action "Send" givesiC >   the alert: "Unable to open the temporary file %200s. Check your E >   'Temporary Directory' setting and try again." I couldn't find any E >   information about the definition of this directory. I defined theeE >   logicals TEMP and TMP on DCL but it didn't help. I guess it needs  >   to be defined in PREFS.JS.  C Not much help but sending email works fine for me. I didn't need to  set anything special.i   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:36:54 -0500e. From: Wayne Corelli <wayne.corelli@compaq.com>= Subject: Re: Narrow compatible SCSI controller for OpenVMS... * Message-ID: <3A0046A6.904B6AF0@compaq.com>  L Its costing you more in eletricity to keep thoses drives spinning then their worth.     "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:i  J >         Consider the venerable KZPAA controller.  You could probably getI > one used for not too much money.  It's single ended, narrow, SCSI.  Not A > rich in features or a great performer but it gets the job done.  >t% > Message text written by Dick MunroesC > >Anybody have an recommendations?  I still have a bunch of narrowlE > devices that I don't want to throw away.  Are there any PCI OpenVMSxG > compatible controllers out there for OpenVMS?  Preferably not costinge > an arm and a leg?a > <s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:51:33 +0000 $ From: Andy Burns <andy@burns.uk.net>* Subject: Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS8 Message-ID: <r9mvvs8rni2onu28bqu27l5tl9rj9at2q6@4ax.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  H >It is important when describing things in comp.os.vms to avoid assumingH >that people have your own background in other operating systems.  There> >is no "PC Anywhere" product that comes with VMS or Macintosh.  2 You assume we know anything about a Macintosh ;-) E I find that by trying to be user-proof that are also expert-proof ...      -- w
 Andy Burns   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 10:22 -0400 From: hein@ep.zko.dec.c*ms% Subject: Re: Number of users exceededc% Message-ID: <1NOV200010224152@miasys>e  N In article <39FDE24E.3FC1A023@fsi.net>, djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson writes... >pasmith@ppg.com wrote:  >> rG >> Our users have recently started getting the message ?Number of UsersfI >> Exceeded? when they try to log in.  To get around this, we simply givel >> their accounts ?oper? e  I Yuck. Even though you indicated that you 'trapped' them, I don't like it.-  A > (Many users log into the same account based upon the occupationn- > they are doing on the manufacturing floor.)i  H Typical, but not 'right'. You may want to investigate how much effort itE really is to give eac potential user its username and make them shareaE identifiers and scripts to get them back to the same place. This wille# give more security, accountibility.l  ! >See HELP SET LOGINS /INTERACTIVE  > B >To increase the value SET at system startup time, do this in your >SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM procedure:o > $ >$ STARTUP$INTERACTIVE_LOGINS == xxx  L Right. However, while the current limit on your system could be 'accidental'L there is a small chance that it was a deliberate choice. As you increase theC value you should really review your license and resource situation.eF DO you have enough memory to accomodate the extra users (probably yes,E because you are already letting them in through the backdoor (OPER)).(   fwiw,  	Hein.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:24:46 GMT / From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam> F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server- Message-ID: <yQUL5.1114$Nw6.3591@news.iol.ie>i  L >In short, OpenVMS is FULLY supported by Oracle, in details, see the commentH >on that from Alan Belancik, OpenVMS Relationship Manager with Oracle at >Compaq.    I We wanted to set up an Oracle database which could be queried and updated1E using Oracle Forms on PCs.  We wanted this to run on an OpenVMS Alphaa platformK without having to insert an NT or (even worse) Unix based web server in theeK middle.  We have been told it is not possible because the Forms server doestE not run on VMS.  If this is correct, then it doesn't add up to "fullyeL supported" to me.  Perhaps somebody out there knows better, or is doing this a slightly different way ?  L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --A Tom Wade    | EMail: T.Wade@vms.eurokom.ie  (all domain mailers).'G EuroKom     | X400:  g=tom;s=wade;o=eurokom;p=eurokom;a=eirmail400;c=ie & 30, Dale Rd | Tel:   +353 (1) 278-7878& Stillorgan  | Fax:   +353 (1) 278-78793 Co Dublin   | Disclaimer:  This is not a disclaimeri@ Ireland     | Tip:         "Friends don't let friends do Unix !"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:19:51 GMTt% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)eF Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server2 Message-ID: <3a0009af.1977660184@news.newsguy.com>  A On 31 Oct 2000 07:48:39 -0700, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolmh Dunnett) wrote:L    F >    It seems that outside the closed audience of existing Oracle/VMS K >customers Oracle doesn't even have any interest in admitting a VMS versionaH >exists. Oracle 8i Standard edition has been available on VMS since lastF >spring, but if you check Oracles web page on availability of Standard	 >edition:pP >(http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/availability/index.html?content.html)  > But Enterprise Edition is listed and if you follow the link toD http://platforms.oracle.com/compaq Standard Edition is listed. Looks like a simple miistake.t  & >   you'll not see any mention of VMS.  
 Well I do.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:27:41 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)uF Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server2 Message-ID: <3a002647.1984980020@news.newsguy.com>  , On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:24:46 GMT, "Tom Wade"% <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam> wrote:s     > J >We wanted to set up an Oracle database which could be queried and updatedF >using Oracle Forms on PCs.  We wanted this to run on an OpenVMS Alpha	 >platformtL >without having to insert an NT or (even worse) Unix based web server in theL >middle.  We have been told it is not possible because the Forms server doesF >not run on VMS.  If this is correct, then it doesn't add up to "fully  C Well Oracle Forms is part of Develloper 2000 which is available forkA VMS. Can run either as a character cell terminal app (traditional  forms) or in X GUI mode.  D However in your case Oracle Forms would be running on the PC and useE SQL/Net to talk to the Oracle server running on VMS. This works fine.yF To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as a "Forms Server"  M >supported" to me.  Perhaps somebody out there knows better, or is doing this  >a slightly different way ?s  B Did this comment come from Oracle or some other consultant? In any> case sounds as if they don't know what they are talking about.  B You could also avoid having to run any part of Oracle on the PC by> using an X client (err server....) on the PC such as Exceed or& eXcursions. Which is the way we do it.  F But if you really want to be bang up to date then Oracle 8i can be runA on VMS with the form running as a Java Applet in the PCs browser.n --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 07:48:05 -0700 1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)kF Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server, Message-ID: <98fPimZmNFu9@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  3 In article <3a0009af.1977660184@news.newsguy.com>, n,      A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes: > G >>    It seems that outside the closed audience of existing Oracle/VMS  L >>customers Oracle doesn't even have any interest in admitting a VMS versionI >>exists. Oracle 8i Standard edition has been available on VMS since last G >>spring, but if you check Oracles web page on availability of Standard:
 >>edition:Q >>(http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/availability/index.html?content.html)k > @ > But Enterprise Edition is listed and if you follow the link toF > http://platforms.oracle.com/compaq Standard Edition is listed. Looks > like a simple miistake.8 >   E    Sure, I'll admit Oracle is killing the VMS product through neglect  rather than outright malice.  F    There have been several arguments in the newsgroup in recent monthsE about the high cost of Oracle on VMS, partially fuelled by people notaE knowing standard edition is available for VMS. I know I certainly hadsD a hard time finding anyone who would admit it existed and in gettingD a copy. I stand by my original contention that if you're an existingB Oracle/VMS customer it's possible ( though difficult ) to find outE what's going on, but a customer new to Oracle would never notice thatt& VMS was one of the possible platforms.  ' >>   you'll not see any mention of VMS.r >  > Well I do. >   H    But not on the page I referred to, which is where people are directedI by Oracle if they want to know if Standard Edition is available for their  system.    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 07:50:10 -070021 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server, Message-ID: <keTScH7ZcpAU@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  > In article <877l6oz0am.fsf@HSE-MTL-ppp62507.qc.sympatico.ca>, -     Greg Stark <greg-spare-1@mit.edu> writes:j   > * > "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> writes: > M >> > - MTS doesn't work properly on OpenVMS; even 8.1.6. has the same problemi > P > Fwiw, MTS doesn't work under Unix in 8.1.6 either. It worked fine for us underP > 8.0.5 but under 8.1.6 it randomly crashes every few days. It's a known bug butM > there's no patch available, and the only work around Tech Support suggesteda > was to turn MTS off. Sigh.  H    I guess, in a perverse way it's reassuring to know VMS isn't the onlyH platform this is broken on. I'm not sure which is worse though, a serverF that crashes every few days or one that's too slow to ever be useful.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:31:09 GMTo From: cjdouglass@my-deja.com Subject: OS Update Ramifications) Message-ID: <8tpk0u$790$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  E I'm upgrading from VAX VMS 5.4-1 to eventually 7.1, unfortunately thetD path dictates several interim version must be installed. Firstly 5.5B then 6.2. No problems with this course, however (currently) 5.5 is= requesting the OS updates to finalize upgrade. I question the G ramification of skipping the updates, proceeding on to the next interim E version? The update are not readily available. Being new,I would likee? not to start off with a disadvantage by virtue of a corrupt OS.t    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Nov 2000 09:08:45 -0600& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org> Subject: Re: PHP for VMS?e, Message-ID: <m31ywv20hu.fsf@sebold.lcms.org> Keywords: php,perl  & On 28 Tishri 5761, Alan Winston wrote:  H > I haven't been far down this path - haven't, for example, examined theB > PHP source code.  My (vague) understanding is that PHP is mostlyF > written in PERL, and that it relies heavily on the DBD::databasenameG > modules for Perl.  (There isn't a DBD::Rdb, although there is one foruD > Oracle that (once you get it linked, which is apparently a hassle), > runs on VMS.  Dan Sugalski has done this.)  G I don't believe that PHP uses Perl at all, actually.  It's written in CtH (at least, 3.0.x is; haven't checked 4 yet) and can be used (on Unix) asF either a CGI executable that is called separately, or a module that isD loaded into Apache.  Wouldn't surprise me if getting it to work as a? CGI, it would work with non-Apache servers without much hassle.s --  F Charles Sebold, Systems Specialist                     LCMS Unix site:O LCMS - Office of Information Systems                       http://unix.ois.org/ O *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***  5E74 5869 00E0 2368 3296 O *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***  0287 C1FD 0045 A5E2 A184- -- 3rd of Heshvan, 5761 --. Darling:     I'm as English as Queen Victoria!J Blackadder:  So, your father's German, you're half-German, and you married              a German?  2  -- from "Blackadder Goes Forth: General Hospital"   ------------------------------    Date: 01 Nov 2000 09:51:28 -0600& From: Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org> Subject: Re: PHP for VMS? , Message-ID: <m3itq7zo5b.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>  G Bad form to respond to one's self, I know, but worse form to respond tosE a post that was days old, without seeing that it had already gained aa* knowledgeable response.  Sorry about that.  ( On 3 Heshvan 5761, Charles Sebold wrote:  G > I don't believe that PHP uses Perl at all, actually.  It's written inpC > C (at least, 3.0.x is; haven't checked 4 yet) and can be used (onbB > Unix) as either a CGI executable that is called separately, or aH > module that is loaded into Apache.  Wouldn't surprise me if getting itF > to work as a CGI, it would work with non-Apache servers without much	 > hassle.. -- .F Charles Sebold, Systems Specialist                     LCMS Unix site:O LCMS - Office of Information Systems                       http://unix.ois.org/-O *** Opinions expressed herein are not necessarily ***  5E74 5869 00E0 2368 3296hO *** those of the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod ***  0287 C1FD 0045 A5E2 A184. -- 3rd of Heshvan, 5761 --N "Tourists -- have some fun with New york's hard-boiled cabbies.  When you get B to your destination, say to your driver, "Pay?	I was hitchhiking." -- David Letterman   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:24:28 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>A Subject: Re: Questions about SHOW MEM/SLOTS and swapped processese) Message-ID: <8tp92h$sv6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  0 In article <009F2621.3E8FE8FA@SendSpamHere.ORG>,    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:F > In article <8tkgen$3g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my- deja.com> writes:l	 > >Hello,i > >lH > >We have a test system with very little memory (8Mb). It is a MicroVAXE > >3100-80 running VMS V6.1. Here is a typical SHOW MEM/SLOTS output:. > >  > >:F > >Slot Usage (slots):       Total        Free    Resident     SwappedF > >  Process Entry Slots       100          75          16           9F > >  Balance Set Slots          90          74          14           2 >9   [...]. >1D > >2. I have never noticed the Resident column having anything other thanF > >two more process entry slots than balance entry slots (16-14=2). Is+ > >this always the case and why or why not?  >i  > No.  It's not always the case. >iE > The 2 comes from the SWAPPER and NULL processes which are processes  butg4 > do not have headers carved from the balance slots.   When is it not the case?  F I thought the NULL process was gone as of V5. It doesn't get listed in SHOW SYSTEM.   [...]a   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman	 alan48  &-)9 dellnet.como    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:38:26 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)cA Subject: Re: Questions about SHOW MEM/SLOTS and swapped processesi0 Message-ID: <009F2778.5456C330@SendSpamHere.ORG>  V In article <8tp92h$sv6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> writes:1 >In article <009F2621.3E8FE8FA@SendSpamHere.ORG>,M! >  system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:3G >> In article <8tkgen$3g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-M >deja.com> writes:
 >> >Hello, >> >I >> >We have a test system with very little memory (8Mb). It is a MicroVAXeF >> >3100-80 running VMS V6.1. Here is a typical SHOW MEM/SLOTS output: >> > >> >G >> >Slot Usage (slots):       Total        Free    Resident     SwappedeG >> >  Process Entry Slots       100          75          16           9-G >> >  Balance Set Slots          90          74          14           2l >> >  [...] >>E >> >2. I have never noticed the Resident column having anything otheru >than G >> >two more process entry slots than balance entry slots (16-14=2). Is , >> >this always the case and why or why not? >>! >> No.  It's not always the case.i >>F >> The 2 comes from the SWAPPER and NULL processes which are processes >but5 >> do not have headers carved from the balance slots.f >  >When is it not the case?   ! Virtual Balance Set Slots (VBSS)!e   See here for an example:  L Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident     SwappedL   Process Entry Slots                 70          46          24           0L   Balance Set Slots                   16           0          16           0      G >I thought the NULL process was gone as of V5. It doesn't get listed inm
 >SHOW SYSTEM.c  J The NULL process is but the concept of its existence is still retained and1 used in the scheduling process: SCH$AR_NULLPCB.  l   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.f   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:15:49 +0000e& From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?* Message-ID: <39FFFB65.FF582F38@Compaq.com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote:   > Jordan Henderson wrote:e >e- > > In article <39FD94D0.3FF543A4@bbc.co.uk>,n3 > > Tim Llewellyn  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:r > >VM > > >Hmmm, just why, if you had a pucker Rdb for VMS, would you want to run a-( > >                               ^^^^^^ > >0E > > pucker?  Must be some British usage with which I'm unfamiliar.  ItJ > > gather from context that it means something like "working" or "great", > > possibly "fabulous". > H > yup, top of the range state of the art, money is no object type thing. >e= > I think I picked it up from a rather verbose contractor whoeF > I worked with a while back, but I have heard it used in this context > on TV etc.  G Surely you mean "pukka" (derivation from one of the Indian languages ?)aH as in "hey, VMS sure is pukka, man !"  Current British street talk seemsE to have "pants" as the opposite of pukka (or maybe I'm already behind 0 the times and it's something different again :-)  	 Roy Omond2 Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)n                       .e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:46:31 +0000t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>?" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?) Message-ID: <3A0010A7.D4144DE3@bbc.co.uk>t   Roy Omond wrote:   >tI > Surely you mean "pukka" (derivation from one of the Indian languages ?)sJ > as in "hey, VMS sure is pukka, man !"  Current British street talk seemsG > to have "pants" as the opposite of pukka (or maybe I'm already behind 2 > the times and it's something different again :-) >o    Yeah, VMS is pukka, M$ is pants!   :-)r   >d   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.R   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:47:04 GMTy% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)s" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?2 Message-ID: <3a000fd1.1979230212@news.newsguy.com>  4 On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 12:55:01 -0500, "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> wrote:d   >> -----Original Message-----,7 >> From: A.Greig@virgin.net [mailto:A.Greig@virgin.net]kH >> then dropped it. Oracle then spent a fortune porting it to NT only toG >> drop it (although blaming Compaq for forcing them to do so). I'm not.5 >> sure if the NT port was initiated before the sale.w > 6 >Oracle's statement at the time of the cancellation of/ >Rdb on NT was that Rdb on NT relied heavily onr7 >the Bliss compiler for NT.  Compaq dropped support for 7 >the Bliss compiler on ALL versions of NT when Alpha NTt >was dropped by Compaq.  o >t5 >This explanation has the great virtue of fitting thee4 >facts.  It has the great disadvantage of not having >any black helicopters.  :^)    E Yes, I know that.. Perhaps I could have stated it explicitly. HoweverhF I also wonder whether, given that the Unix market did not materialize,F it might have flopped on NT as well. Now we'll never know. These BlackD Helicopters are silent. You can never tell whether they are there or not :)     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:49:24 GMT- From: richard_maher@my-deja.coma" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?) Message-ID: <8tphih$503$1@nnrp1.deja.com>0   Hi,m  C Does anyone have a rough idea of how many Rdb/*V*M*S* license payer50 dollars were squandered on Rdb/NT and Rdb/DUNIX?  D And am I the only one who sees the irony in being hit with the brickE wall of "Where are the customers?" when I beg Rdb engineering for new- functionality on *VMS*?e  F "We spent years of development and shit loads of cash on Rdb/DUNIX but? bugger us if nobody turned up to buy it! Oh well, we'll have torG increase the VMS license fees again and better decrease the development: budgets while we're at it.".   Regards Richard Maher.  E I've included a recent post from the Rdb list server in case anyone'sg interested:-   -----Original Message----- From: Richard Maher + Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 9:46 PMS To: oraclerdb-AT-jcc.nospaml3 Subject: RE: RDB and XA Support with TUXEDO on OVMSc   Hi,    Ian Smith wrote:  E >So while we are interested, other matters are seen as more pressing.lC >While an email letter campaign might get some attention it doesn'taC >help us complete other tasks on our plate any faster.  As you willd2 >learn at the Rdb Forum at the end of September...  F I'd really like to be there but can't afford it / justify the cost forB only two days. (We're taking the kids on a Tour of Duty to see theD Grandparents. So I'm going to be in Willungtin and ChCh for DecemberF and Perth for January and hopefully (if I get renewed) I'll be workingB everyday God sends up until then. (I almost forgot, back to LondonF for "Glorious" February :-)) But I do hope the Oracle Rdb website willD be updated on Monday with all the good stuff that was discussed overG the weekend. (Especially Galaxy stuff eg: why 3 nodes sharing memory inrG one box is better than 1 node/box from an Rdb point of view? As well as E the new SQL stuff that appears to be unattainable from your web site.s (SGA API docs?))  G As far as "other matters being more pressing", IMNSHO you're just plainOG wrong :-) and, obviously, if I could set the agenda for Rdb developmentrC I would. TIP is good, TIP is easy, TIP will sweep all before it andnC allow Rdb to participate in mainstream computing. (Let me take this D opportunity to point out that I *am* an Rdb/VMS bigot and personallyE happy to develop on Rdb/VMS for the rest of my working life. But I am B also pragmatic and currently on my first *non* Rdb contract for 10E years and it looks like I'd better get used to it!) Rdb engineering'ssE complacency (and I accuse them of that in the nicest possible way :-) F is forcing people to choose product X or product Y. TIP lets customersC have their X an Y it too! But how could you not be complacent aftereF talking a financial hit like Rdb/NT and Rdb/DUNIX in your stride while9 your Rdb/VMS customers just sat back like stuffed chooks.t  G Now some people may construe some of these comments as being offensive.tG I can assure you that was not my intention, but what *I* find offensiveeC is being told that Rdb engineering can't do this or that because ofm> financial constraints, and being asked "Where are the *paying*F customers?" for *V*M*S* functionality, when all of the time Oracle RdbD is pouring good money after bad into the vanity, yes vanity, that is Rdb/NT Workbench!i  F (BTW they're bitching in comp.os.vms about Rdb only having enterprise?G licensing and not standard? on Alpha unlike Oracle classic or somethinga to that effect)x  < I submit to you that if you do not address this issue of 2PCA connectivity then you are abandoning your main revenue stream and D existing client base. There may well be some great new functionalityB announced at this weekend's technical forum, which is all well andF good, but let's get our priorities right. It's like the movie "Back toE the Beach" about ten years ago, where Gilligan is propping up the bar F and crying into his beer. (If you haven't seen it it was funny because' it was the real Gilligan (Bob Denver?))e  ' "We were on this Island, It was awful!"r9 "There was this guy called The Professor, a real genius!" C "He could make a nuclear reactor out of two coconuts and a piece ofl5 string. But could he fix a four foot hole in a boat?"   C I think it's time engineering stopped playing with its coconuts and E gave us TIP so that customers do not have to think of Rdb/VMS a beings marooned on a desert island.  C Anyway, I'm waffling / soap boxing again so let me try and make one G point. I hope (as apart from having right on our side, the argument foreE TIP on VMS has almost gained critical mass) that VMS engineering willIE save the day with a much needed upgrade to DECdtm. But if it doesn't,tC to have Rdb participate in a TIP txn then Rdb engineering need only- answer one question:  E "When an Rdb recovery process discovers a DECdtm "prepared" record in D its journal file and it calls sys$getdti to establish whether or not< the final txn state was commit or abort, does it specify the ddtm$m_full_state flag?"  B The answer had better be "Yes" otherwise I have no idea how ACMSxpF engineering got their TIP stuff working. Because of this behaviour RdbF engineering *does not* have to touch (destabilize :-) a *single* pieceF of existing code to give you TIP compatibility. Go on, ask them if I'm lying!  F By declaring itself as coordinating (sys$join_rm/ddtm$_coordinator?) aG DECdtm resource manager can force the Rdb recovery process to just hangrF there protecting its database until MTS (or whatever) can be contactedG for the outcome of the txn! That means, in say 3 months Rdb engineeringoE could give us an RTL tip$init(), tip$pull(), tip$fini() and a monitortG process that can talk TIP to the outside world and maintain its journal-F that cross references MTS/TIP URLs with DECdtm TID/BID. Tell me why it	 ain't so!s  F Anyway, If just one customer comes up to you over the weekend and asksD about connectivity/TIP/COM+ or thinks that you should concentrate onG shoring up the existing client base before launching off on exponentiallE growth then I'll be very happy. Now if an irate Rdb/*V*M*S* user weree@ to stand up and chant "Give us back our money!!!" then I think aB healthy customer/supplier relationship will have been restored :-)   Regards Richard Maher.  C PS. Regarding e-mail campaigns being a distraction. It's probably asF good idea to let some of your colleagues know about it because I spentF ages trying to work out whether it was the 2nd or 3rd edition that cam8 with steak knives and folded up neatly under the bed :-)   But you know we want more!  2 In article <39fd9e62.1819117652@news.newsguy.com>,(   A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) wrote:3 > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:33:36 +0000, Tim Llewellyne" > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >a > >  > >n > >Alan Greig wrote: > >  > >> > >>B > >> Oracle have dropped plans to release a commercial RDB for NT. HowevervG > >> there is an unsupported RDB for NT available for download from theb@ > >> Oracle web site.  Free to any licensed users of RDB on VMS. > >> > > E > >Hmmm, just why, if you had a pucker Rdb for VMS, would you want to  run ae > >free, > >unsupported one on NT?a > >  >sG > I think that the NT code is RDB8 which isn't out for VMS yet (in lateeF > Beta) so if you grab the NT version you can have a play with all theF > new features and management front end tools that come with RDB 8 andF > see just exactly how much of a help/annoyance they are. There's alsoG > no check that you have a VMS license before you can download it so it & > may just be there for legal reasons. >sF > Several people should really be shot in the RDB management team. DEC. > spent a fortune porting RDB to OSF-1/DigitalH > Unix/Tru-64/whatever-its-called-tomorrow only to sell it to Oracle whoG > then dropped it. Oracle then spent a fortune porting it to NT only tolF > drop it (although blaming Compaq for forcing them to do so). I'm not4 > sure if the NT port was initiated before the sale. > G > Mind you with the message at that time being that VMS was legacy they-& > probably thought they had no choice. > G > Still I don't find it amusing that VMS support contract fees followedgH > by Oracle support fees were thrown away in this manner. Or that OracleB > RDB 8 was scheduled to appear first on NT then on VMS. No wonder > Oracle charges so much!a >a > What a waste.w >g > > --9 > >Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Projectb3 > >MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK. D > >Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk > >4D > >I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of > >MedAS or the BBC. > >  > >e >a > -- > Alan Greig >.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 03:59:26 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>M$ Subject: RECALL question/suggestion., Message-ID: <39FFCD4F.AD41DE50@videotron.ca>  * Is there a way to RECALL with a wildcard ?  8 If no, I would suggest the following improvement to VMS:   RECALL/all command  H It would display all commands that begin with "command" that were issuedK recently. (Currently, without /ALL, you can only retreive the most recentlye( entered command that matches "command".)  M For instance, if I have 5 or 6 TYPE commands with long/complex file names, it-K would be nice to be able to recall all of them and then recall the specificj one I want.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:33:51 -05008# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>t( Subject: RE: RECALL question/suggestion.D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD890@berry.mvpsi.com>  K I agree.  I would also like to have a /WILDCARD qualifier so you could say:W  ! $ RECALL/ALL/WILDCARD *MYPROGRAM*   
 and match:   $ EDIT MYPROGRAM.C $ CC MYPROGRAM $ LINK MYPROGRAM   etc.   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca], > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:59 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & > Subject: RECALL question/suggestion. >  > , > Is there a way to RECALL with a wildcard ? > : > If no, I would suggest the following improvement to VMS: >  > RECALL/all command > ? > It would display all commands that begin with "command" that s
 > were issueds@ > recently. (Currently, without /ALL, you can only retreive the  > most recentlyo* > entered command that matches "command".) > 4 > For instance, if I have 5 or 6 TYPE commands with  > long/complex file names, itt: > would be nice to be able to recall all of them and then  > recall the specifice
 > one I want.E >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:06:09 +0000o- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.) Message-ID: <3A003F71.71BDE205@bbc.co.uk>    John Vottero wrote:S  M > I agree.  I would also like to have a /WILDCARD qualifier so you could say:E >L# > $ RECALL/ALL/WILDCARD *MYPROGRAM*D >0 > and match: >S > $ EDIT MYPROGRAM.C > $ CC MYPROGRAM > $ LINK MYPROGRAM   I was going to suggest  + $ pipe recall/all | sear sys$pipe myprogramF  O which intuitively "feels" like the right way of doing it (and one of DCL's plus$ points3 is its consistency) but that fails on my 7.1 boxes:>  ( $ PIPE RECA/ALL | SEAR SYS$INPUT MONITOR9 %SEARCH-I-NULLFILE, file SYS$INPUT:.; contains no records ' %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matchedy  A I understand some of pipe's idiosyncrasies, but not this one :-(.   E If you add a temporary file you can still do it on one line with pipe   E  $ pipe reca/out=tmp.lis && sear tmp.lis monitor && del/log tmp.lis;*   = Note however, you will not be able to RECALL this command :-)>  --I6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukd  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of2 MedAS or the BBC.P   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:47:06 GMTc, From: "J. Scott Greig" <jsgreig@geminaq.com>( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.5 Message-ID: <eOXL5.12611$b8.291238@quark.idirect.com>(  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39FFCD4F.AD41DE50@videotron.ca..., > Is there a way to RECALL with a wildcard ? >c: > If no, I would suggest the following improvement to VMS: >  > RECALL/all command >eJ > It would display all commands that begin with "command" that were issuedD > recently. (Currently, without /ALL, you can only retreive the most recently* > entered command that matches "command".) >lL > For instance, if I have 5 or 6 TYPE commands with long/complex file names, itD > would be nice to be able to recall all of them and then recall the specific
 > one I want.   F I would also like RECALL/OUTPUT= file and RECALL/INPUT=file to work inI a command procedure - this way, I could preserve the command stack acrosseD multiple logins without remembering to perform the recalls manually.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:56:12 GMTA( From: Andy Stoffel <acs@cyberportal.net>( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.D Message-ID: <acs-D2C628.11580301112000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>  > While we're at it.... how about something slightly different ?  6 I think being able to save the RECALL buffer to a file# and read it back in later is great.o  / On the days I remember to logout instead of EOJa5 I save it to a file (I have LOGOUT assigned to a .COM ; that does a few things for me before doing a "real logout")f with no problem.  2 What I HAVEN'T been able to do is get my LOGIN.COM7 to read IN that saved recall buffer info when I log in.e# [There must be some trick to it...]o  : Something (A logical ?) that enables something similar to : some Unix shell .history file behaviors would be a welcome enhancement (for DCL).   -Andy-   -- r@ ----------------------------------------------------------------* Andy Stoffel                              @ It's difficult to see when peering over the shoulders of giants.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:32:36 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>c( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.) Message-ID: <3A0053B3.5ACD66AA@bbc.co.uk>    Andy Stoffel wrote:y  @ > While we're at it.... how about something slightly different ? >i8 > I think being able to save the RECALL buffer to a file% > and read it back in later is great.p >t1 > On the days I remember to logout instead of EOJe7 > I save it to a file (I have LOGOUT assigned to a .COM = > that does a few things for me before doing a "real logout")V > with no problem. >r4 > What I HAVEN'T been able to do is get my LOGIN.COM9 > to read IN that saved recall buffer info when I log in.a% > [There must be some trick to it...]l  < On my VMS 7.1 systems, recall/input=filespec does this. What version are you running?     >- > ; > Something (A logical ?) that enables something similar tot< > some Unix shell .history file behaviors would be a welcome > enhancement (for DCL). >e >u  ! All the peices ARE there, really.1  G Actually, I find the default unix behaviour quite dangerous, especiallysC if logged in as root. That last command you issued that crashed the @ system or whatever is there awaiting when you log in again after	 recovery.d     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:33:59 +0100N2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.; Message-ID: <3a005407.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>k  . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote:, : Is there a way to RECALL with a wildcard ? :l: : If no, I would suggest the following improvement to VMS: :z : RECALL/all command : J : It would display all commands that begin with "command" that were issuedM : recently. (Currently, without /ALL, you can only retreive the most recently-* : entered command that matches "command".) :0L : For instance, if I have 5 or 6 TYPE commands with long/complex file names,G : it would be nice to be able to recall all of them and then recall then : specific one I want.   What's so bad aboute     $ RECALL/ALL     1 show device dR     2 show memory?     3 show timeo5   $ RECALL 3  ! results in 'show time' being recalled    ?o     $ HELP RECALL Parameterw   	RECALLd 	n 	  Parameter   	    command-specifier 	eC 	       Specifies the number or the first several characters of theX) 	       command you want to recall. [...]i 	O 	e cu,e   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de'N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 18:14:21 GMTc/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> ( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.G Message-ID: <14ZL5.16878$xJ4.787124@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   ? "Martin Vorlaender" <martin@radiogaga.harz.de> wrote in messagel5 news:3a005407.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de...  >a > What's so bad aboutt >e >   $ RECALL/ALL >     1 show device db >     2 show memoryo >     3 show time 7 >   $ RECALL 3  ! results in 'show time' being recalled  >D > ?o  J The problem is that the command recall buffer stores 254 commands,  not 3.I Of course, you can look through all 254 of them and select number 221, ifvG that is the one you want, but the request in the thread would make lifeo& easier.  Isn't that what VMS is about?   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:14:21 GMTf* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)( Subject: RE: RECALL question/suggestion.. Message-ID: <8tpmht$37d$3@info.service.rug.nl>  D In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD890@berry.mvpsi.com>,& John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:   M > I agree.  I would also like to have a /WILDCARD qualifier so you could say:j > # > $ RECALL/ALL/WILDCARD *MYPROGRAM*I >  > and match: >  > $ EDIT MYPROGRAM.C > $ CC MYPROGRAM > $ LINK MYPROGRAM  G It would be easy to hack these things in DCL if RECALL were allowed in u command procedures!i  H It would also be nice if the RECALL command would go into the buffer, soD that when one makes a typo one can hit the up-arrow key and edit it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:23:00 -0600n/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>n( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.O Message-ID: <B2CDB5BCA0858B28.122A36B14B3A7335.F3A4CDB510925401@lp.airnews.net>    JF Mezei wrote:e > , > Is there a way to RECALL with a wildcard ? > : > If no, I would suggest the following improvement to VMS: >  > RECALL/all command > J > It would display all commands that begin with "command" that were issuedM > recently. (Currently, without /ALL, you can only retreive the most recentlys* > entered command that matches "command".) > O > For instance, if I have 5 or 6 TYPE commands with long/complex file names, iteM > would be nice to be able to recall all of them and then recall the specific?
 > one I want.u  C Many years ago (12-15?) I did some work on Harris minis running theeC Vulcan O/S.  They had a recall command where you could do somethingW like:e   	RECALL command nv  B to recall the "n"th occurance of "command" in the command history.  E I think that the DOSKEY capability of MSDOS is even better.  You type F the begining of a command and then use the F8 key to cycle through theA matching commands in the history buffer.  Also, DOSKEY leaves the A reference pointer at the selected command.  So after you recall aeG command, you can use down arrow to select the next command that you hadr! typed after the recalled command.   D For example, when doing a compile/link/run cycle, you can recall theF compile command, then down arrow to get the link command, then another down arrow to run.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com u   Fax: 817-237-3074t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:32:16 -0500n. From: Wayne Corelli <wayne.corelli@compaq.com>0 Subject: Re: RZ26 dual port with one cable only?* Message-ID: <3A00458F.E1958339@compaq.com>   Didier,   K The Y-cable you speak of most likely indicates that you have  Diff scsi forh7 clustering as you pointed out not Single ended SE scsi.   K On older BA boxes this usually meant you were plugging in to a DWEZER (fitsa" into the same slots as the RZ26's)  J The other side of the Y-Cable needs a Diff Terminator or another system in0 the chain.  The card in you Alpha400 should alsoH be a diff Scsi card. (USUALLY denoted with the double diamond). KZPBA-CY& (Qlogic) usually or our older card theJ KZPSA(LSI/INTEL/NCR) which is a longer PCI card.  If you pull the PCI card/ out and it has internal terminator (SIPS) in itwE or empty slots for SIPS then it is a diff scsi card.  If the SIPS are > present then you do not need the Y_cable at all if this is theJ end of the Scsi bus, but if the cluster was ever set up correctly the SIPS3 were pulled off and it was external terminated as IeK meantioned above.  This allows you to disconntect that system from the scsio$ bus with out taking out the cluster.  J At any rate it sounds to me like you have a hardware issuse and need to be- sure you have Diff Scsi through out the chain C or single ended through out the scsi chain with proper termination.    Waynee           Didier Morandi wrote:,  
 > Oye oye, > C > I have an ALPHA server 400 with a BA35something and 5 RZ26 in it, G > connected to the Alpha via a SCSI cable. Actually a double cable withlI > two plugs (probably to build a SCSI cluster) but only one is connected.  > 2 > When I boot the Alpha with VAXC=0, sh dev d says >  > DKA0:s > DKA400: (CD)	 > DKB100:n	 > DKB200:i > ...l	 > DKB500:e >e: > When I boot the Alpha in cluster, with say alloc=1 I get >  > DKA0: 	 > DKA400:V > $1$DKB100: > ...s > $1$DKB500: > $1$DKB600: > ... 
 > $1$DKB1500:I >i! > (only one cable connected, ok?)a >nJ > Then I backed/ima/ig=int my local system disk DKA0: to $1$DKB200: then I  > rebooted on the SCSI disk: ok. > I > Then I tried to init the $1$DKB700 with label DISK_DKB700 and my systemcG > hung. I mean no message, no nothing, just facts. I tried to reboot onoH > DKB200: "No way, Jose(1), no valid boot block". I rebooted on DKA0 andJ > discovered that actually my $1$DKB200 is now labelled DISK_DKB700... :-( > 5 > So, dual port RZ26 via one SCSI cable??????????????O > Or what else happened? >l( > And what are these $1$DKB1000 to 1500? >  > Confused.n > D. > * > (1) (c) 1984 Stan Rabinowicz in WHAT.EXE   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:50:53 GMTe% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)l' Subject: Re: Sixel compatible Printer s 2 Message-ID: <3a001f1a.1983143549@news.newsguy.com>  6 On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:14:17 GMT, "Jean Paul COMPTOUR"/ <jean-paul.comptour@ceric-automation.fr> wrote:p   >Hi all, >TE >I am looking for PC printers compatibles with sixel protocol, or anyS >converter which could convert, >this protocol for working on a PC printer .  B Any printer supporting DEC Printer Protocol Emulation should do. AC genuine LA36 might be your best bet if looking for dot matrix. LA36 2 can be ordered Genicom or Compaq badged I believe.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:29:57 -0600# From: "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net>a Subject: Software source booko/ Message-ID: <t00kom35qh29f6@corp.supernews.com>/  F Many, many moons ago, DEC published something called the "VAX SoftwareK Source Book" wherein one could look for applications. I haven't seen one ofg these in quite some time.g  L I have a customer in need of the usual business apps, A/P, A/R, GL, Payroll,I Inventory, etc. I've talked to the fine people at Ross, but they admitted-H that their package is targetted at a larger business than my customer's.  ' Any pointers would be much appreciated.g     --E ---------------------------------------------------------------------D Mark E. Levy, Presidenta" System Management Associates, Inc.! 888-291-5055 x202 (Illinois Only) $ 847-291-1550 x202 (Outside Illinois) 847-291-3866 fax www.sysman-inc.com levy@sysman-inc.comaE ---------------------------------------------------------------------c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:05:00 -0700a+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>M! Subject: Re: Software source book ( Message-ID: <3A005B4C.544B1BE1@mmaz.com>  G A company called TEC had a Dibol based system that I had running at two M different companies.  It wasn't bad for small systems, and has its roots fromtO the PDP RSX environment, they were originally relative record based system thatdN I converted to indexed; we had the sources so that was nice...  It wasn't real6 expensive ($1500 per module?) if I recall correctly...  P Another package that was cheap, not as cheap as I remember TEC being, was WDS-III which is a Progress based application that can run on VMS as well as manynN flavors of Unix.  These were about $2500 per module based on system sizing andL again, sources were very helpful because the original company went belly-up.  B A site you might want to examine is http://software-directory.com/   Barry-   "Mark E. Levy" wrote:   H > Many, many moons ago, DEC published something called the "VAX SoftwareM > Source Book" wherein one could look for applications. I haven't seen one of9 > these in quite some time.. > N > I have a customer in need of the usual business apps, A/P, A/R, GL, Payroll,K > Inventory, etc. I've talked to the fine people at Ross, but they admitted J > that their package is targetted at a larger business than my customer's. >o) > Any pointers would be much appreciated.n >a > --G > ---------------------------------------------------------------------u > Mark E. Levy, President $ > System Management Associates, Inc.# > 888-291-5055 x202 (Illinois Only)t& > 847-291-1550 x202 (Outside Illinois) > 847-291-3866 fax > www.sysman-inc.com > levy@sysman-inc.comnG > ---------------------------------------------------------------------A   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOm  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:45:59 +0000l- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher-) Message-ID: <3A000277.52764A8B@bbc.co.uk>0  d Robert Deininger wrote: Of course I lock the screen when I go home.  If someone gets my password, he  J > can unlock the screen and pretend to be me.  But he could just as easilyE > log in a fresh session and pretend to be me, if he has my password.  > L > I wonder how many of the folks Kerry would force to log out each day, haveI > written their passwords in an obvious place on/in their desks.  ForcingcJ > people to log out doesn't even scratch the surface of real security.  (I+ > realize I'm preaching to the choir here.)o >s  Q Come on, Robert, Kerry is not talking about every day, but for scheduled outages,I1 in a well defined buisiness critical environment.   K For power users like yourself he'd prewarn you of the downtime schedule andsU ask you at some convenient time to log out of the node you are using and into another  one.  --o6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofB MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:14:15 -0600./ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 4 Subject: Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailedO Message-ID: <5C518B7EEA34B32A.A2330EA68F36CA44.4FD8651C63BC0865@lp.airnews.net>t  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > T > In article <G3B54x.B9p@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:( > >John Vottero <John@mvpsi.com> writes:M > >> Without ECC, how would the controller know it had a bad cache read whichE, > >> needed to be reloaded from main memory? > >tJ > >  Parity, with one or more bits. Re-fetching from main memory is likelyI > >as fast as doing ECC correction, and if it's a multi-bit ECC error youyL > >need to re-fetch anyway, so you may as well get going with the fetch from' > >main memory and skip the correction.  > M > But parity is usually only good for single bit errors.  Multiple bit errorsoL > may go undetected and thus, you might be feeding the system with bad data.  F Single bit parity will only detect single bit errors.  But if you haveE multiple parity bits, you can detect multiple bit errors.  Basically,a# you have the detection side of ECC.h  G ------------------------------------------------------------------------$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 06:30:14 GMT>) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)n$ Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.0A SMTP ACCVIO' Message-ID: <8tod9m$8p9$1@joe.rice.edu>e  1 Richard B. Gilbert (DRAGON@compuserve.com) wrote: E : If you have software support, check DSNlink/WIS for a DCL procedureTJ : to monitor the SMTP queue, and fix it when it crashes.  That procedure, I : or something similar, was written for the site I wrote of above by one CI : of the UCX developers, Karol Zielonko.  If Karol is still with DECpaq, eJ : he might be interested in your collection.  Note that UCX itself may be  : corrupting these messages!  = There's SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.UCX]UCX$RESTART_SMTPQ.COM 2 on my home VAXStation, (in need of a UCX upgrade):     $ ucx show version  ?    Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS VAX Version V4.2 - ECO 3 3    on a VAXstation 4000-96 running OpenVMS V7.1    -  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:46:16 -0600 (CST)  From: sms@antinode.org$ Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.0A SMTP ACCVIO) Message-ID: <00110110461623@antinode.org>   ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)e? > There's SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.UCX]UCX$RESTART_SMTPQ.COMe > [...]e  F    It's now SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP.EXAMPLES.TCPIP]TCPIP$RESTART_SMTPQ.COM,H naturally enough.  Thanks for the pointer.  Though now that all the bugs are fixed, it may be redundant.o  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)oC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)n9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:08:31 GMTl% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Time Zone2 Message-ID: <3a002394.1984289166@news.newsguy.com>  0 On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 02:20:16 GMT, "Robert Meyer"! <meyerra@worldnet.att.net> wrote:d  M >When the time changed this past weekend, the only server needing a set clocktL >was the Alpha server operating 7.2.  Is there a parameter in sysgen for theA >Time Zone.  I would like to sleep in next time the time changes.l  D Look at sys$examples:daylight_savings.com or run NTP and have it set. to automatically account for daylight savings.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 03:55:09 -04000- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files, Message-ID: <39FFCC4E.5C4CD76E@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > I > Well, there is at least one that I can think of ("of which I can think"?I > if you want it that way): if at least one link in the network is serialA; > (sync or async) and flow control is not working properly.n  M If that were the case, then wouldn't DECNET detect thsi and do retransmits inn the case of data loss?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:33:09 GMTf% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)c0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files2 Message-ID: <3a001b63.1982191951@news.newsguy.com>  8 On 30 Oct 2000 10:54:35 -0800, old_timer@user.vms wrote:   >h >Dear VMS Gurus, >h  Q >Besides, the answer "it's a network bandwidth problem" just seems too convenient M >to me.  Call me a cynic perhaps.  The company to whom we outsourced the helpdO >desk has certain performance metrics they are required to meet.  How better tohM >handle a question they can't answer than by claiming that the physical layer M >needs expensive upgrading?  And guess who gets the contract for the upgrade?t   Sounds a bit like EDS to me.   >s> >If any of you can shed light on this it would be appreciated.  7 You are corect. Low bandwidth should not corrupt files.    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 09:43:46 -08000 From: old_timer@user.vms0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files( Message-ID: <8tpkoi0vov@drn.newsguy.com>   gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de wrote:6 >wE >In article <8tn0le01g3d@drn.newsguy.com>, old_timer@user.vms writes:dR >>Is there any conceivable scenario under which network overload could cause a VAXL >>mail transmission to arrive with embedded random errors in the message (asR >>opposed to, say, the message being truncated or timing out, which seems at least >>plausible?). >hP >None that I can currently think of. But perhaps you could post an example of anN >intact message and a corrupted one so that we can see what the difference is.  H Imagine a 38000block plain text file, all of whose lines contain simply A "This is a test".  Suppose the name of that text file is "X0.TXT"   C E-mail that to yourself and force routing through the offsite node:u  ; $ mail/noself X0.TXT offsitenode::mynode::myself /subj=test$  L When you get the message, extract it without headers to a file named X1.TXT:   MAIL> ext/noh X1.TXT   Now compare the two files:   $ DIFF X0.TXT X1.TXT  J The "corruption" is that a small handful of random lines in X1.TXT will be' garbled.  The rest of the file is fine.   K Now here's an interesting piece of evidence; and I think it's significant -aP perhaps there are network-savvy people in this ng who could help me discern whatM it means.  If, instead of routing the test e-mail through an off-site node, ItJ instead route it through a node within our site, then there no corruption:  : $ mail/noself X0.TXT onsitenode::mynode::myself /subj=test  M My common sense tells me this is significant; but the help desk folks weren'tn too interested in it.D    0 >A DIR/FULL on the two files would help as well.  O The file attributes are not getting hit.  In the above example, both X0.TXT andd# X1.TXT are standard RMS text files:f   $ dir/full X0.TXTt   Directory U1:[JOE]  4 X0.TXT;1                      File ID:  (12345,12,1)- Size:        38086/38088      Owner:    [JOE] ! Created:   1-NOV-2000 12:31:02.72n% Revised:   1-NOV-2000 12:33:10.20 (3)e Expires:   <None specified>n Backup:    <No backup recorded>v File organization:  SequentialH File attributes:    Allocation: 38088, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0$                     No version limit/ Record format:      Stream_LF, maximum 14 bytesr4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:o Access Cntrl List:  None  $ Total of 1 file, 38086/38088 blocks. $o   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 18:37:56 GMTh* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)A Subject: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?e. Message-ID: <8tpnu4$3n3$1@info.service.rug.nl>  G I have a VAXstation which I saved from being destroyed, and I'm testingtD it out.  I have the S3 switch up and a VT320 as the console.  At theF moment, there is a relatively bare-bones VMS 7.1 on an 0.5 GB internalH disk.  Since I'm just testing it out now, I haven't loaded any licenses.F I'm puzzled by the following behaviour.  First, when I switch off the H console terminal and switch it back on, I'm back at the >>> and have to G tell it to boot.  Second, doing the same while a program (such as SHOW -I CLUSTER, MONITOR etc) shows the power-up sequence (memory test etc) when o! the terminal is switched back on.u  G First, is this behaviour expected?  Second, if so, can someone explain 3 it?m   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:31:00 GMTa% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)a; Subject: Re: VIOC max transfer blocks before cache bypassedo2 Message-ID: <3a001ad6.1982051689@news.newsguy.com>  @ On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:50:49 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:o  L >I thought the value was 34 blocks but when I checked [.SYS.LIS]VCC_DATA.LIS% >I found that the value is 35 blocks:e >u >CACHE$GL_MAXBLK::3 >	.LONG	35			; MAXIMUM BLOCK SIZE OF I/O INTO CACHE/ >EI >It could be that it was changed somewhere along the way from when it wassK >first introduced but I can find no reference in the module comments to in-  >dicate so.f   Thanks.r   >>G >>Also a pointer to where this is documented if possible. It's probablyS# >>obvious and I've just gone blind.s >>-- >>Alan Greig >S >[.SYS.LIS]VCC_DATA.LIS  ;)e  * Must order a copy of the listings one day.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:01:43 +0000.& From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>; Subject: Re: VIOC max transfer blocks before cache bypasseds* Message-ID: <3A003057.39EB6988@Compaq.com>   Alan Greig wrote:a  B > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 17:50:49 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian! > Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:L > N > >I thought the value was 34 blocks but when I checked [.SYS.LIS]VCC_DATA.LIS' > >I found that the value is 35 blocks:t > >  > >CACHE$GL_MAXBLK::P > >       .LONG   35                      ; MAXIMUM BLOCK SIZE OF I/O INTO CACHE > >XK > >It could be that it was changed somewhere along the way from when it was.M > >first introduced but I can find no reference in the module comments to in- 
 > >dicate so.  >4	 > Thanks.D  P Just to re-iterate Alan.  36 and above bypass the cache (like I said yesterday).  N You can actually use this fact to your advantage.  Consider occasions when theP file you're writing is sure as hell not going to be used in the very near future (andP I'd estimate this to quite a common scenario !), then any caching of such a file isP counterproductive.  It's the classic case when you (as a humanoid) actually knowL better than any LRU-based scheme;  knowing the magic value of 36 enables youN to easily avoid cache pollution by e.g. $ set rms/block=127[/buff=4] etc. etc.   Best,r  	 Roy Omondp Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 17:30:14 GMT-, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?) Message-ID: <8tpjv7$77p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  6 In article <9EPD5.597$iY1.12813@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>,)   "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:a@ > Are any commercial databases available for VMS hobbyist (at no charge)? >  > Marco  >k   Marco,  B Yes.  Check out Cache from Intersys -- you can get a free downloadE along with a license (currently good through the end of the year) at:e  .  http://www.e-dbms.com/beta/distributions.html  C It runs on a variety of platforms, but OpenVMS is its first love...L  B (I've not tried it yet myself, but it does look promising, and its+ legacy in the OpenVMS world is well known.)a   Aaron1 --  OpenVMS: The OS MS wanted NT 2B.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 06:59:08 GMT % From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>t Subject: Re: VMS V7.2-1n) Message-ID: <8toevq$9ag$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   + In article <39FF2D07.1060002@stthomas.edu>,a2   Peter Rieckmann <prieckmann@stthomas.edu> wrote: > Bruce, >aC > Make sure that you have VMS7.2-1h1 otherwise you will not see theh > fibre disks.  B ?? I have used OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and V7.2-1 (both including ECOs)C and I did see FC-connected disks, too? Did I do something wrong ;-)-   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 11:33:44 +00004- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>6B Subject: Re: Was RE: Rdb on VMS reference? - now off-topic, pucker) Message-ID: <39FFFF98.144807EF@bbc.co.uk>-   Jordan Henderson wrote:-   >- >-G > Ah.  My dictionary does have 'pukka', although I'd never heard of it.TM > The dictionary doesn't mention it as chiefly british or anything like that.B >1J > The pronounciation given in is p&-k& where & is the a or u in abut, so II > can see where it would sound like pucker (especially with a brit sayingi > it!).f >t  E  So, I think we now have a new word to describe our favourite OS :-).t --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukp  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofs MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 09:57:40 GMT$+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>g/ Subject: Re: What could cause ACCVIO in malloc?a) Message-ID: <8topej$ha5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  7 In article <200011010040_MC2-B92C-A367@compuserve.com>,-5   "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote:EH >         Your program could be at fault.  Malloc() and free() depend onH > metadata stored in the heap.  Each block of memory allocated by malloc () = > isD > preceded by, and maybe followed by,  control information.  If your progra=, > mn? > stores outside the bounds of the allocation, this data can bem
 corrupted;A > e.g. if you malloc() 20 bytes and store 21 bytes at the address'
 returned = > byB > malloc(), you have corrupted the heap and anything can happen...  * Agreed. Use CMEM from the Freeware disk orE http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/CMEM/ to locate the overwrite.    Chris0    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:21:45 +0000-8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>7 Subject: RE: Why missing [000000] after volume restore? L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F66@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  G In your three volume set there are sets of xxx.SYS files on each of the0I three volumes but only those on the first volume will contain pointers toRJ your user files. The files in [SYSLOST] are probably the xxx.SYS files (orA pointers to those files) which would be on the unmounted volume. e  K To obtain a "good" volume set again I would recommend that you reinitialise G the three volumes and then restore the whole volume set on to the three 	 volumes. e   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.611 ************************