1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 612       Contents:P Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresentaP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresentaP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? B Re: Exchange "unformatted write" file between VMS and UNIX Fortran" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? Re: LAD/LAST Spec needed...  Re: Number of users exceeded Re: Number of users exceeded Re: open an Imac?  Re: open an Imac? = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Please disregard: this is a (plain-text) test posting only...  Re: Software source book Re: Software source book+ Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files < Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?< Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?< Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?< Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?2 Re: VIOC max transfer blocks before cache bypassed VMS keyboard on T1510 ' Re: What happened to Snapshot Services? ' Re: What happened to Snapshot Services? . RE: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?. Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?& Windows NT to OpenVMS access questions  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:45:52 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta - Message-ID: <3A00F180.9AF4C6D6@earthlink.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  > C > In article <39FF859B.5E674D42@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" ' > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >  > > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > > > = > > > In article <39FEFB8E.CA3132D5@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn ' > > > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > > > ; > > > > You jogged my memory, anyway, whats wrong with TPU?  > > > M > > > I just have never gotten around to learning it.  Back with 5.5, EDT was L > > > the default....I do have it on my list of things to do, mainly for LSEJ > > > but it also offers some advantages.  It has disadvantages (reads the= > > > whole file at the beginning---annoying if it is 100MB),  > > K > > It also will insert spaces in records where they don't belong. Move the L > > cursor into the blank space at the end of a line, type a character, thenF > > delete it. The spaces in the record up to the cursor position willC > > remain. (At least, this was true of early versions of TPU/EVE.)  > >  > > > but so does EDT   E No, it doesn't. It doesn't have the ability to move the cursor on the A screen past the end of the record from the file. TPU does this by G default. If you're not expecting it, press cursor down and start typing ? in the wrong place, ... well, it can leave an "invisible" mess.     [snip]E > Sometimes, I have to edit the first few lines of a 40 MB PostScript  > file.   D YIKE! Wouldn't it be easier to fix the program? ...or is that not an option?   * > EDT is definitely the tool of choice....   Whole-heartedly agree!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:01:08 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta - Message-ID: <3A00F514.37832A8B@earthlink.net>    Syltrem wrote: > I > With these in the eve$init file, EVE should look and feel much like EDT  > 
 > set key edt  > set cur bound  > set scro marg 15% 20%  > set righ mar 255 > set noexit attr check  > define key = ctrl/Z do   = > No reasons not to use it, and LOTS of reasons to DO use it.   " *PLENTY* of reasons to not use it!  F Here's a sample (from my EDTINI.EDT file, comments added for clarity):  ) DEFINE KEY GOLD  A AS "EXT CHANGE =ALT.." 1 DEFINE KEY GOLD  B AS "EXT CHANGE =?'Buffer: '.." 8 DEFINE KEY GOLD  C AS "D+CCUNDC."	(Transpose characters)3 DEFINE KEY GOLD  D AS "DSR."		(Delete select range, H                                          all other buffers (incl. PASTE);                                          remain unchanged.)   ; DEFINE KEY GOLD  G AS "PASTE=?'Paste from which buffer? '."   4 DEFINE KEY GOLD  J AS "DEWWUNDW."	(Transpose words.)7 DEFINE KEY GOLD  K AS "CUTSR=?'Cut to which buffer? '." 7 DEFINE KEY GOLD  L AS "D+NL L UNDL."	(Transpose lines.)   1 DEFINE KEY GOLD  X AS "SEL -KS +C CUTSR=UNPASTE." H                                         (An "UNPASTE" key - suffers fromB                                          a long-standing EDT bug.)  ? DEFINE KEY GOLD  \ AS "DATE."           (Modelled on WPS-Plus.)   F DEFINE KEY      FUNCTION 34 AS "CHGUSR."(Make select range upper case)F DEFINE KEY GOLD FUNCTION 34 AS "CHGLSR."(Make select range lower case)  6 DEFINE KEY GOLD  > AS "(SHR)."          (Shift right.)5 DEFINE KEY GOLD  < AS "(SHL)."          (Shift left.)   H Consider the amount of code needed to replace these functions in TPU andH you will understand why EDT remains the editor of choice for many common operations.   G (I've been building my EDTINI.EDT file since 1982, and see no reason to # change to TPU at the present time.)    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:05:38 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta - Message-ID: <3A00F622.8A71D1C5@earthlink.net>    John Macallister wrote:  > ) > > Wasn't EDT de-supported a while back?  > J > Support for the "native" EDT command (You'll probably have to set up theK > command definition to use it.) was dropped but the EDT emulator in TPU is M > supported. You can get the EDT emulator via the EDIT/EDT command. I haven't M > been able to detect any differences between the two as far as my use of EDT  > is concerned.    I think you may be misinformed:   + DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ edit/edt/nocommand nla0:  [EOB]  *^T F DJAS01::DDACHTERA 00:03:50 EDT       CPU=00:01:32.05 PF=11217 IO=72853 MEM=58 *quit     DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ sh sys/noprocB OpenVMS V7.1-2  on node DJAS01   2-NOV-2000 00:04:07.07  Uptime  4 09:39:54   (OpenVMS-Alpha V7.1-2)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:42:06 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> : Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?- Message-ID: <3A00D47E.769B8DD9@earthlink.net>   & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: >  > David Dachtera wrote:  > I > > What I'd like to see is the ability to support user-defined lexicals, 6 > > perhaps even U$function() instead of F$function(). > 2 > Not so sure why we have to burden DCL with this.  H Because sometimes we need user-defined functions that can be embedded in command strings.    >  We can already write HLL code0 > and use the RTLs to deposit symbols/logicals.   8 So, why not use those same HLLs to write DCL extensions?    > Call your program U$function1,O > etc.  The small image activation would probably be less than the accumulative  > overhead on DCL.  " Ever tried embedding code like so:  G $ VBL = F$EXTR( 0, 15, mcr ddcu:<dir>U$function f$mode()[, arg[, ...]])     Doesn't work very well, does it?  L > Not something I would support unless told that it could be done trivially.  ; Trying to do without them is sometimes equally non-trivial.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2000 01:17:27 GMT 5 From: ichihara@rarfaxp.riken.go.jp (Takashi Ichihara) K Subject: Re: Exchange "unformatted write" file between VMS and UNIX Fortran - Message-ID: <8tqfb7$eb2$1@riksun.riken.go.jp>   ) <8tootl$gov$1@riksun.riken.go.jp> I wrote E >>   I want to read a file at True64 UNIX, which was written at Open  K >> VMS/AXP using Fortran "unformatted write" statement.  But the following  I >> errors occurs during the unformatted read at True64 UNIX, DEC Fortran.  >>  I >>     forrtl: severe (24): end-of-file during read, unit 1, file testi.d 
 >>            L >>     forrtl: severe (67): input statement requires too much data, unit 1,  >>     file testi.d    or  >>   >>   What I did is as follows: >>  J >>   (1) Write a file using  Fortran "unformatted write" on VMS. (write.f)G >>       (OpenVMS V6.2-1H3, DIGITAL Fortran 77 X7.1-156, UCX 4.2 ECO 2)  >>  E >>   (2) Binary ftp the file testi.d from Open VMS/AXP to True64 UNIX  >>  O >>   (3) Read the file using Fortran "unformatted read" on True64 UNIX (read.f) B >>       (OSF1 V4.0 1229 alpha, DIGITAL Fortran 77 V5.2-171-428BH) >>  @ >>    Then the read error occurs with the error messages above.  >>  I >>    Is there any special method to transfer or convert file written by  H >> "unformatted write" on Open VMS/AXP Fortran to True64 UNIX System ?   >> Thanks for the information.  H   I got an answer from telephon support center of Compaq Japan just now.# The suggested method is as follows:   @ (1) Convet a file to fix record format at the OPEN/VMS using the     following command:  1        $ set file /attr=(rfm=fix,lrl=512) testi.d   = (2) Copy the file from VMS to True64 UNIX via binary-mode FTP   9 (3) At True64 Unix, Open the file with the special option       RECORDTYPE='segmented' ?     (this option seems to be special to the True64 DEC Frortan)   <       open(1,file='testi.d',status='old',form='UNFORMATTED',"      1     RECORDTYPE='segmented')  < Then it worked.  Thanks for the information and suggestions.  , 			Takashi Ichihara (ichihara @ riken.go.jp)   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:27:56 GMT/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> + Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? ) Message-ID: <3A001A5B.28402174@uiowa.edu>    Dirk Munk wrote: >  > Netsurfer wrote: > > H > > I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewG > > years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.  > > 5 > > Can someone feed me with the related information? J > > I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user > > profile. > I > Don't have the quota information for you, but for the backup itself you ! > can use the following switches:  > + > /block_size=65535/media_format=compaction  > G > When you mount the tape use /media_format=compaction/cache=tape_data.   > 	I have always been told to use /Block_Size = 32256 as that isF largest size the OS can handle for backups.  Am I too low?  Also, whatC is this "/Cache=?" qualifier?  I can't find any documentation on it 9 from the on-line help or from the bookreader docs I have.    rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:43:26 GMT/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> + Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? ( Message-ID: <3A001DFE.137C69D@uiowa.edu>   Richard L. Dyson wrote:  >  > Dirk Munk wrote: > >  > > Netsurfer wrote: > > > J > > > I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewI > > > years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.  > > > 7 > > > Can someone feed me with the related information? L > > > I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user > > > profile. > > K > > Don't have the quota information for you, but for the backup itself you # > > can use the following switches:  > > - > > /block_size=65535/media_format=compaction  > > I > > When you mount the tape use /media_format=compaction/cache=tape_data.  > G >         I have always been told to use /Block_Size = 32256 as that is H > largest size the OS can handle for backups.  Am I too low?  Also, whatE > is this "/Cache=?" qualifier?  I can't find any documentation on it ; > from the on-line help or from the bookreader docs I have.   ! 	OK.  Following up my own post...   B 	I misread the original and thought /Cache was a backup qualifier.G I see it is a MOUNT qualifier.  But, I thought you weren't supposed to  G mount a tape before using BACKUP?  If the correct MOUNT /Cache=tape was ? made before a Backup/Block=32256/Media=comp, would there be any G performance increase for a DLTIV (TK89) drive?  I have found I get only F about 5 GB/hr averaged over 20+ hours at present.  Even an increase to= 8 GB/hr that Dave Jones reported with a TK88 would be a great  improvment!   : 	What basic Mount/Backup commands with qualifiers for highC performance do others use for DLT tape drives off AlphaServer 1200,  doing  full /Image backups?   Rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:21:23 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> + Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? 2 Message-ID: <3A008AC5.D5BCB388@clarityconnect.com>  G You would use 32256 if you believe that in the future you might want to E use COPY to pull the saveset off the tape/  32256 is the largest that E RMS via COPY could handle.  If you'll only be using BACKUP or non-RMS G based utilities such as the Save Set Manager then set the block size to  65535    "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:  >  > Dirk Munk wrote: > >  > > Netsurfer wrote: > > > J > > > I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewI > > > years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.o > > >27 > > > Can someone feed me with the related information?eL > > > I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user > > > profile. > >6K > > Don't have the quota information for you, but for the backup itself you # > > can use the following switches:k > >s- > > /block_size=65535/media_format=compactiona > > I > > When you mount the tape use /media_format=compaction/cache=tape_data.h > G >         I have always been told to use /Block_Size = 32256 as that isfH > largest size the OS can handle for backups.  Am I too low?  Also, whatE > is this "/Cache=?" qualifier?  I can't find any documentation on ith; > from the on-line help or from the bookreader docs I have.y >  > rick > --J > Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduJ >  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/J > | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879J > | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17538 > | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy/ >  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    -- .D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:59:44 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?u' Message-ID: <3A00AE70.5300EC1F@home.nl>    "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:- >  > Richard L. Dyson wrote:2 > >  > > Dirk Munk wrote: > > >n > > > Netsurfer wrote: > > > >cL > > > > I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewK > > > > years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.  > > > > 9 > > > > Can someone feed me with the related information?nN > > > > I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user > > > > profile. > > >sM > > > Don't have the quota information for you, but for the backup itself you:% > > > can use the following switches:u > > >f/ > > > /block_size=65535/media_format=compactionr > > > K > > > When you mount the tape use /media_format=compaction/cache=tape_data.  > > I > >         I have always been told to use /Block_Size = 32256 as that is"J > > largest size the OS can handle for backups.  Am I too low?  Also, whatG > > is this "/Cache=?" qualifier?  I can't find any documentation on its= > > from the on-line help or from the bookreader docs I have.  > * >         OK.  Following up my own post... > K >         I misread the original and thought /Cache was a backup qualifier.)H > I see it is a MOUNT qualifier.  But, I thought you weren't supposed to% > mount a tape before using BACKUP?     C You don't have to, but you can do it if you want to (mount /foreignn .....)  & > If the correct MOUNT /Cache=tape wasA > made before a Backup/Block=32256/Media=comp, would there be any 1 > performance increase for a DLTIV (TK89) drive? h  H Yes, because you will use the tape cache, and that will help to keep theG tapeunit streaming. A tapestreamer that comes into start-stop mode is al very poor performer.    I have found I get onlyH > about 5 GB/hr averaged over 20+ hours at present.  Even an increase to? > 8 GB/hr that Dave Jones reported with a TK88 would be a greatn
 > improvment!e > C >         What basic Mount/Backup commands with qualifiers for highlE > performance do others use for DLT tape drives off AlphaServer 1200,o > doinga > full /Image backups? >  > Rick > --J > Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduJ >  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/J > | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879J > | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17538 > | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy/ >  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:45:14 -0500 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? * Message-ID: <3A00E34A.D617F4AB@oracle.com>   as far as mount /cache goes...   "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:a 	. 	. 	.G >         I have always been told to use /Block_Size = 32256 as that is H > largest size the OS can handle for backups.  Am I too low?  Also, whatE > is this "/Cache=?" qualifier?  I can't find any documentation on its; > from the on-line help or from the bookreader docs I have.h  ? from a vms 7.1-2 system (and I suspect other versions as well):n   $ HELP MOUNT /CACHE KEYWORDS 	. 	. 	.
  TAPE_DATA  >   Enables write caching for a magnetic tape device if the tape@   controller supports write caching. The /CACHE qualifier is the?   default for mounting tape devices. You must specify TAPE_DATAeB   to enable write caching. If the tape controller does not support(   write caching, the keyword is ignored.  <   The write buffer stays enabled even after you dismount the?   magnetic tape. To disable the write buffer, mount a tape with-   the /NOCACHE qualifier.   @   If a tape supports compaction, then the default is compaction,?   and caching is enabled. For tape storage devices that support--   compaction, the following command is valid.D  6   $ MOUNT TAPE_DATA/FOREIGN/MEDIA=NOCOMPACTION/NOCACHE -- :> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:31:19 GMTt; From: "Sloan E. Essman" <sessmannospamatall@houston.rr.com>h+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?t: Message-ID: <bJ1M5.30096$P14.769636@typhoon.austin.rr.com>  2 <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message/ news:01JW1CQU1OLU0061ML@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au...  > L > Apart from the good advice you have received from various regarding backupL > account quotas, I would also suggest that you always use /media=compaction% > (assuming you have media that can).e >tL > My experience is that backup happens whilst I'm asleep so not too worried, butcH > when someone looses a file, a compacted tape works much quicker than a not. > J > I use maximum blocksize and compaction, and I understand that the latter happens  > at the DLT drive.  > H > Beware, someone more experienced may tell you how wrong I am, I'm just going by > what I perceive.  J Also use /NOCRC with the backup command when using DLT drives.  SupposedlyK the drives have enough error correction built into them that you don't need6L BACKUP to perform Cyclic Redundancy Checks.  This was according to the folksH who improved the BACKUP command for VMS 7.2.  They pointed it out during6 Decus L.A. in 1998.  So just avoid that waste of time.   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 06:16:28 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?f' Message-ID: <G3Dw3H.1CG@spcuna.spc.edu>   ; Sloan E. Essman <sessmannospamatall@houston.rr.com> writes: L > Also use /NOCRC with the backup command when using DLT drives.  SupposedlyM > the drives have enough error correction built into them that you don't need N > BACKUP to perform Cyclic Redundancy Checks.  This was according to the folksJ > who improved the BACKUP command for VMS 7.2.  They pointed it out during8 > Decus L.A. in 1998.  So just avoid that waste of time.  C   Is this a worthwhile savings any more? It certainly mattered on arD VAX-11/780 and a TU78 tape drive, but CPU speeds have improved a lotE faster than tape data rates. I expect a modern Alpha CPU could do the C CRC calculations without breaking a sweat. This doesn't address thet0 issue of whether they're still useful, though...  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAe   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:25:39 +0000a+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> $ Subject: Re: LAD/LAST Spec needed...' Message-ID: <3A008A53.9B7D977B@iee.org>e   Dick Munroe wrote: > G > I'm doing a gig for Compaq and I'm in need of a machine readable copypG > of the LAD/LAST protocol specification.  So far all the Q's been able E > to find is hardcopy, which is cool as far as it goes, but I like my " > docs on disk if at all possible.  C This stuff was easy to find right up to this summer. I suspect it's @ still just as easy to find but that firewall won't let me in :-)  ? Have them look in the Learning Utility and there was definitelya? a copy of things like the LASTport architecture document around  electronically./  8 I never figured out whether it was confidential or could be ordered by customers.   Antonioo   --     ---------------"- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgi   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:16:10 +0000k+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> % Subject: Re: Number of users exceeded ' Message-ID: <3A00881A.FF556A50@iee.org>w   pasmith@ppg.com wrote: > F > Our users have recently started getting the message Number of UsersH > Exceeded when they try to log in.  To get around this, we simply giveG > their accounts oper privileges (the users connect to a command file/H > with no way to get out of it except to log out).  Is there a parameter  9 You may not have realised but you don't have to give the yC accounts OPER as an AUTHORIZED priv, it can just be a DEFAULT priv. > This way you olny need to keep them captive for long enough to< do a $ SET PROC/PRIV=NOOPER and they cannot turn it back on.  > Of course, you may have other reason's for keeping them cooped
 up anyway.   Antoniog   -- 3   ---------------m- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgh   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:32:28 -0600r7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>p% Subject: Re: Number of users exceeded - Message-ID: <3A00EE5C.5595D220@earthlink.net>e   "antonio.carlini" wrote: >  > pasmith@ppg.com wrote: > > H > > Our users have recently started getting the message Number of UsersJ > > Exceeded when they try to log in.  To get around this, we simply giveI > > their accounts oper privileges (the users connect to a command fileaJ > > with no way to get out of it except to log out).  Is there a parameter > : > You may not have realised but you don't have to give theE > accounts OPER as an AUTHORIZED priv, it can just be a DEFAULT priv.n  G If memory serves, it *MUST* be a default privilege (in force by defaulta5 at login time) in order to subvert "logins disabled".i  ( ...but, and as always, I could be wrong.   -- t David J. Dachteram dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:04:11 +1100! From: "Tim Wise" <tjw@chw.net.au>r Subject: Re: open an Imac?0 Message-ID: <3a00dc73@nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au>    Bob Koehler wrote in message ... >tH >  Before I dice into a flood of Mac newgroup messages, does anyone here2 >  happend to know how to open the case on a iMac? >hG >----------------------------------------------------------------------t@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupF >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying  & Do you need to dimantle it completely?   Here is a place to start.r  6 http://www.info.apple.com/support/cip/imacORIGcip.html   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:23:09 +1100! From: "Tim Wise" <tjw@chw.net.au>S Subject: Re: open an Imac?0 Message-ID: <3a00e0f3@nap-ns1.netconnect.net.au>   Or see here as well   ( http://www.theimac.com/drive_steps.shtml   tjwp    Bob Koehler wrote in message ... >/H >  Before I dice into a flood of Mac newgroup messages, does anyone here2 >  happend to know how to open the case on a iMac? >lG >----------------------------------------------------------------------k@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupF >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 19:57:02 GMTh3 From: "Gord Coulman" <nospam_gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca> F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server2 Message-ID: <iA_L5.1$24.541@news0.telusplanet.net>  C There are a lot of different ways to run Oracle on OpenVMS or other 
 platforms:  C 1.  Terminal (character based).  I doubt you want to go back there.t  H 2.  2 tier client/server.  Oracle Forms, Reports, etc runs on the clientK machine.  This works fine, but you must install the software on the client.IK Oracle does not have a reliable way of automating this client installation.eJ Bit of a pain if you have a lot of them.  Not terribly scalable. Also, youL need some kind of fileserver (any will do) for a central repository for your .fmx and .rdf files.  I 3.  3 tier client/server.  This is where Oracle Application Server (FormsdJ server is a sub-set) comes in.  The form runs on the middle layer (usuallyE NT or unix).  The client uses only a browser.  Advantages:  no client E software install, very scalable, looks just like Forms to your users. E Disadvantages:  More effort to set up initially, some forms will need  adaptation.E  G 4.  PL/SQL 3-tier.  Again using Oracle Application Server, but all yourLJ application logic lives in your database as stored procedures.  The clientL uses only a browser.  This setup is very scalable and very easy to maintain.H All you need is a PL/SQL guru.  This is my favorite so far (and my users too).o  K 5.  Java.  Your Java applets communicate directly with the database server.aL You still need a webserver, of course.  I have not played with this one yet,= so I can't comment on how hard or easy the implementation is.r  J 6.  Embedded SQL.  Almost forgot this 2-tier method.  You can use embeddedK SQL inside C++ and other code so your applications can communicate with thet, DB server.  Sounds like a lot of work to me.  H 7.  There are other ways too, like ODBC, OLE, DDE, COM, etc.  All fairly+ complex and needing a lot of client set-up./   Hope that helps,   Gord    0 Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote in message, news:3a002647.1984980020@news.newsguy.com.... > On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:24:46 GMT, "Tom Wade"' > <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam> wrote:l >  >  > >vL > >We wanted to set up an Oracle database which could be queried and updatedH > >using Oracle Forms on PCs.  We wanted this to run on an OpenVMS Alpha > >platform,J > >without having to insert an NT or (even worse) Unix based web server in theHI > >middle.  We have been told it is not possible because the Forms server  doesH > >not run on VMS.  If this is correct, then it doesn't add up to "fully >hE > Well Oracle Forms is part of Develloper 2000 which is available forvC > VMS. Can run either as a character cell terminal app (traditionalK > forms) or in X GUI mode. > F > However in your case Oracle Forms would be running on the PC and useG > SQL/Net to talk to the Oracle server running on VMS. This works fine.uH > To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as a "Forms Server" >eJ > >supported" to me.  Perhaps somebody out there knows better, or is doing this > >a slightly different way ?t >aD > Did this comment come from Oracle or some other consultant? In any@ > case sounds as if they don't know what they are talking about. >'D > You could also avoid having to run any part of Oracle on the PC by@ > using an X client (err server....) on the PC such as Exceed or( > eXcursions. Which is the way we do it. > H > But if you really want to be bang up to date then Oracle 8i can be runC > on VMS with the form running as a Java Applet in the PCs browser.D > -- > Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:19:36 +01001. From: "I.A. Saez" <"i.a.saez.<secret>"@tue.nl>F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server& Message-ID: <3A010778.A9B11872@tue.nl>  H That MTS does not work under Unix is not such a problem. Proces creationE (for dedicated processes) is cheap under Unix. Process creation undero VMS costs a lot more (seconds!)e   Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > ? > In article <877l6oz0am.fsf@HSE-MTL-ppp62507.qc.sympatico.ca>,t/ >     Greg Stark <greg-spare-1@mit.edu> writes:p >  > > , > > "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca> writes: > >TO > >> > - MTS doesn't work properly on OpenVMS; even 8.1.6. has the same problemp > > R > > Fwiw, MTS doesn't work under Unix in 8.1.6 either. It worked fine for us underR > > 8.0.5 but under 8.1.6 it randomly crashes every few days. It's a known bug butO > > there's no patch available, and the only work around Tech Support suggestedS > > was to turn MTS off. Sigh. > J >    I guess, in a perverse way it's reassuring to know VMS isn't the onlyJ > platform this is broken on. I'm not sure which is worse though, a serverG > that crashes every few days or one that's too slow to ever be useful.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:24:26 +0100o. From: "I.A. Saez" <"i.a.saez.<secret>"@tue.nl>F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server& Message-ID: <3A01089A.DB66966B@tue.nl>   Gord Coulman wrote:i > E > There are a lot of different ways to run Oracle on OpenVMS or others > platforms: > E > 1.  Terminal (character based).  I doubt you want to go back there.e > J > 2.  2 tier client/server.  Oracle Forms, Reports, etc runs on the clientM > machine.  This works fine, but you must install the software on the client.1M > Oracle does not have a reliable way of automating this client installation.vL > Bit of a pain if you have a lot of them.  Not terribly scalable. Also, youN > need some kind of fileserver (any will do) for a central repository for your > .fmx and .rdf files. > K > 3.  3 tier client/server.  This is where Oracle Application Server (FormsmL > server is a sub-set) comes in.  The form runs on the middle layer (usuallyG > NT or unix).  The client uses only a browser.  Advantages:  no clientgG > software install, very scalable, looks just like Forms to your users. G > Disadvantages:  More effort to set up initially, some forms will neede
 > adaptation.h  G The client uses only a browser plus a plug-in : Jinitiator. We , at theeH Eindhoven University of Technology , use Webforms  and I personally find$ it much easier to install, maintain.D My favorite is Perl DBD:DBI. Perl code with embedded sql-statements. Very powerful!    I > 4.  PL/SQL 3-tier.  Again using Oracle Application Server, but all youreL > application logic lives in your database as stored procedures.  The clientN > uses only a browser.  This setup is very scalable and very easy to maintain.J > All you need is a PL/SQL guru.  This is my favorite so far (and my users > too).h > M > 5.  Java.  Your Java applets communicate directly with the database server.yN > You still need a webserver, of course.  I have not played with this one yet,? > so I can't comment on how hard or easy the implementation is.o > L > 6.  Embedded SQL.  Almost forgot this 2-tier method.  You can use embeddedM > SQL inside C++ and other code so your applications can communicate with thet. > DB server.  Sounds like a lot of work to me. > J > 7.  There are other ways too, like ODBC, OLE, DDE, COM, etc.  All fairly- > complex and needing a lot of client set-up.i >  > Hope that helps, >  > Gord > 2 > Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote in message. > news:3a002647.1984980020@news.newsguy.com...0 > > On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 13:24:46 GMT, "Tom Wade") > > <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam> wrote:g > >  > >  > > > N > > >We wanted to set up an Oracle database which could be queried and updatedJ > > >using Oracle Forms on PCs.  We wanted this to run on an OpenVMS Alpha
 > > >platformVL > > >without having to insert an NT or (even worse) Unix based web server in > the K > > >middle.  We have been told it is not possible because the Forms servera > doesJ > > >not run on VMS.  If this is correct, then it doesn't add up to "fully > >-G > > Well Oracle Forms is part of Develloper 2000 which is available fordE > > VMS. Can run either as a character cell terminal app (traditionalE > > forms) or in X GUI mode. > >tH > > However in your case Oracle Forms would be running on the PC and useI > > SQL/Net to talk to the Oracle server running on VMS. This works fine.kJ > > To the best of my knowledge there is no such thing as a "Forms Server" > >5L > > >supported" to me.  Perhaps somebody out there knows better, or is doing > this > > >a slightly different way ?S > >eF > > Did this comment come from Oracle or some other consultant? In anyB > > case sounds as if they don't know what they are talking about. > >YF > > You could also avoid having to run any part of Oracle on the PC byB > > using an X client (err server....) on the PC such as Exceed or* > > eXcursions. Which is the way we do it. > >rJ > > But if you really want to be bang up to date then Oracle 8i can be runE > > on VMS with the form running as a Java Applet in the PCs browser.E > > -- > > Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 15:57:10 -0700a( From: l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com (Lorin)F Subject: Please disregard: this is a (plain-text) test posting only.... Message-ID: <00110115571097@lto.locktrack.com>  G This is a test of an alternate (VMSmail) means of posting in plain-textEK to this newsgroup... this is only a test.  Had this been an actual posting,gC you would be instructed to tune... (oh, never mind).  ;-)  -- LorinS   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 17:12:39 -0500. From: "Kenneth Randell" <kenr@datametrics.com>! Subject: Re: Software source book + Message-ID: <8tq4dn$q2n$1@bob.news.rcn.net>t   Hello --  I Deltek (www.deltek.com) used to offer a VAX-based accounting package, butfH they may have discontinued it.  It had the modules listed (A/P, A/R, GL, etc.).3 It's been some years since I worked with it though.s   Ken Randelln  ! Mark E. Levy wrote in message ...8G >Many, many moons ago, DEC published something called the "VAX SoftwareaL >Source Book" wherein one could look for applications. I haven't seen one of >these in quite some time. >sD >I have a customer in need of the usual business apps, A/P, A/R, GL, Payroll,J >Inventory, etc. I've talked to the fine people at Ross, but they admittedI >that their package is targetted at a larger business than my customer's.n >i( >Any pointers would be much appreciated. >  >o >--dF >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mark E. Levy, President# >System Management Associates, Inc.h" >888-291-5055 x202 (Illinois Only)% >847-291-1550 x202 (Outside Illinois)a >847-291-3866 faxe >www.sysman-inc.com3 >levy@sysman-inc.comF >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >h >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 23:12:42 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>b! Subject: Re: Software source booku- Message-ID: <3A00F7CA.1F5F8E6E@earthlink.net>D   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: > I > A company called TEC had a Dibol based system that I had running at two  > different companies.  B IIRC, "TEC" (later known as "ASA") was just another flavor of code? similar to MCBA. The DIBOL packages may even have common roots.1  E Anyway, Digital sold DIBOL in the pre-Compaq days. DIBOL is no longerrC cost-effective as a result. (Now, where have we heard THAT before?)4   -- : David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:00:12 -0500, From: "Russell Sasamori" <webmaster@puz.com>4 Subject: Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed2 Message-ID: <Yn6M5.1342$Mf4.219550@news.shore.net>  J I don't agree that ECC on cache is less important than ECC on main memory.I If you are purely comparing 6-transistor SRAM cell against a 1-transistoreF DRAM cell, I agree that the former has a smaller error rate.  However,F speaking from my personal experience of conducting design verificationK tests, the region connecting the CPU to the external L2 cache tends to haveeK the toughest signal integrity issues.  Therefore, from a system reliability-D perspective, I think ECC for L2 is crucial.  Isn't it amusing that aK "mission-critical" server is sold without ECC on cache while my lowly LX164i desktop system contains one.    5 "Terry Kennedy" <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote in messageF! news:G3A9J6.3vu@spcuna.spc.edu... . > Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> writes:G > > "Sun servers lack ECC protection. "Frankly, we just missed it. It's  something weK > > regret at this point," Shoemaker says. Its next high-end servers, basedo on aK > > new processor called the UltraSparc III, will have ECC protection; theyr are to > > debut in mid-2001."e > > F > > There you have it folks.  After a number of months the crux of theA > > problem.  They left out ECC.  Don't you just hate overlookingt@ > > a design consideration like that?  "It's something we regret8 > > at this point."   A-yup... yup surely do, surely do. >fG >   In all fairness, many vendors don't provide ECC on cache. With muchm loweriH > density and static techology (compared to higher densities and dynamic tech-eL > nology in main memory) there are far fewer errors in cache memory, and forI > cache reads the cache controller can usually reload the cache from main5 mem-+ > ory (depending on the write-back policy).t > J >   It's when new systems running at even higher speeds, with increases in thehG > size of the cache, come out that you can run into problems like this.t >oC >   None of this excuses the apparent cover-up, but I can certainlys
 understandI > how the problem happened. And the quote above is a reasonable statements for aaK > system designer to make to other designers, but that sort of thing should K > never be said in a general forum, or it'll be misinterpreted as folks arem
 > doing here.* >T6 >         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com7 >         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 12:01:40 -0800  From: old_timer@user.vms0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files) Message-ID: <8tpsr401s72@drn.newsguy.com>m  , In article <39FDDE02.B79B274C@videotron.ca>: >  >old_timer@user.vms wrote:O >> node via VAX mail.  When using VAX mail to send a large text file (either aspP >>in-line text embedded in the message or using the /foreign qualifier to send aN >> saveset) to a remote node, I occasionally get transmission errors (or, moreR >>precisely stated, the file arrives corrupted).  This does not happen 100% of the >> time. >3 >d >do a MAIL> SHOW ALL   MAIL> sh all* Your mail file directory is U1:[JOE.MAIL].2 Your current mail file is U1:[JOE.MAIL]MAIL.MAI;1.  No folder is currently selected.+ The wastebasket folder name is WASTEBASKET.-! Mail file U1:[JOE.MAIL]MAIL.MAI;1-)         contains 0 deleted message bytes.    You have 3 new messages.  & You have not set a forwarding address.! You have not set a personal name.G Your editor is EDT.  CC prompting is disabled.e) Automatic copy to yourself on SEND,REPLY.o+ Automatic deleted message purge is enabled.o& Your default print queue is SYS$PRINT., You have not specified a default print form.  C >See if there is a default transport defined (towards the bottom). "   I don't see any.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 11:57:48 -0800n From: old_timer@user.vms0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files) Message-ID: <8tpsjs01rgn@drn.newsguy.com>    antonio.carlini wrote: >l? >Sadly /FOREIGN and anything% just don't play nice together ...w >w  : /FOREIGN is not the cause of the problem.  It happens also without /FOREIGN   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 12:10:46 -0800e From: old_timer@user.vms0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files) Message-ID: <8tptc601u18@drn.newsguy.com>   7 In article <39FE5E25.94856491@videotron.ca>, JF says...- >- >old_timer@user.vms wrote:O >> Using "extract" to get the attachment (when using the /foreign qualifier) orcN >> looking directly at the MAIL$xxxxxxxxxx file in the mail directory makes no3 >> difference; they are both corrupted identically.o >fM >If you send file1.dat from nodea:jdoe to nodeb::nodea::jdoe, and you get the(L >message back, you need to compare the extracted file with the original file? >which you sent to see if it has maintained its file structure.h  M The RMS file attributes are not being corrupted.  DIR/FULL on the orginal and 7 round-trip files shows they are identical in structure.n  D The problem is random corruption of the actual data within the file.     > K >If, for instance, your network converts VMSmail to SMTP/mime format, it is N >possible that the file will lose its vms attributes and come back as a simple
 >binary file.m   This is not the problem.   >.P >> I think you are right, but I don't know how to get this information.  Is this. >> something I can query from the local node?  >l >do SHOW NETWORK   $ show networkL VAX/VMS Network status for local node 33.24 HERMES on 1-NOV-2000 15:04:28.53  E This is a nonrouting node, and does not have any network information.i2 The designated router for HERMES is node 33.1016 . $n  L >also, try SET HOST NODEB   to see if your system can find a decnet route to >nodeb.y   yes, it can:   $ set host APOLLO   =  Welcome to OpenVMS Alpha (TM) Operating System, Version V6.2y  	 Username:o   >.O >Also, can you provide a description of exactly what type of corruption happenst >on the file ?  J The small random portions of the data within the file are being corrupted.K I'd say less than 1%.  This is true whether the file is text or binary; andt. regardless of whether /foreign is used or not.  K >if you could do a DIR/FULL of the original file as well as a DIR/FULL of ae8 >received file that is corrupt it might give some clues.  9 No clues.  The RMS file attributes are not being changed.e   > P >You can also use the DIFF file1 file2  command to see what the differences are.  P Right.  In the case of text files, small portions of the text are being replacedM with random garbage.  In the case of savesets, I get a handful of CRC errors.o   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 12:25:50 -0800o From: old_timer@user.vms0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files) Message-ID: <8tpu8e020pp@drn.newsguy.com>w  9 >From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>s1 >Subject: FW: VAX Mail question - corrupted files  >Date: 31 Oct 2000 00:00:00 GMTrM >Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F54@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>f  5 >You haven't said how the files are being corrupted. w  O I don't know how the files are being corrupted.  That's what I'm trying to findd out.  M If you meant I haven't clearly explained the nature of the corruption, pleaserI take a look at my other posts in this thread.  I've given a few examples.   M >I've only ever come across three forms of corruption when sending plain text K >via mail to/from VMS systems. For sending plain text via mail just includetG >the text as part of the message. There's no point in using /FOREIGN orm$ >anything else for plain text files.  P Yes, I know.  The point is, the corruption occurs whether or not I use /foreign,F and whether the file is simple text or a saveset or other binary file.4 This is elaborated in greater detail in other posts.  J >(1) It's possible that an intermediate server, or even the remote server,L >has a size limit and is truncating the mail file. This should be clear from >the file received.p    The file is not being truncated.  K >(2) Some mailers wrap lines at column 132 (or some other value (80/72?) ).0K >Again this should be clear from the appearance of the file received at the  >remote end.   It is not a word wrap problem.  D >(3) If your mail is being relayed via a server which is in some wayG >incompatible with yours (for example uses a different character set orcG >unusual ASCII/EBCDIC mapping) you may find that certain characters areeH >changed or even interchanged ("corrupted"). This should also be easy to >detect.  O If this were the case, one might expect to see the corruption occur at the samerI offsets within the file on successive attempts.  This is not the observedyN behavior.  If I send the same file 5 times, the corruption occurs at different offsets in the 5 tests.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:34:21 +0800e4 From: Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files+ Message-ID: <3A00A87C.F3DF17AF@bigpond.com>g   old_timer@user.vms wrote:r > ! > gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de wrote:s > >hG > >In article <8tn0le01g3d@drn.newsguy.com>, old_timer@user.vms writes: T > >>Is there any conceivable scenario under which network overload could cause a VAXN > >>mail transmission to arrive with embedded random errors in the message (asT > >>opposed to, say, the message being truncated or timing out, which seems at least > >>plausible?). > >vR > >None that I can currently think of. But perhaps you could post an example of anP > >intact message and a corrupted one so that we can see what the difference is. > I > Imagine a 38000block plain text file, all of whose lines contain simply C > "This is a test".  Suppose the name of that text file is "X0.TXT"  >   
 	[...snip...]f  C Are you able to determine the actual bits of hardware that the fileo
 goes through?lD You haven't given any indication of what routers etc are being used.C There is a known, though obscure, problem with certain combinationsiB of DECrepeaters/DECbrouters in DEChub90s that may be the source of
 your problem.iA If you could create a list of the hardware that the data actuallyt@ travels through, it may shed some light - then again it may not.   -- e Regards, Dave.uI -------------------------------------------------------------------------nI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:29:52 -0600r7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>v0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files- Message-ID: <3A00D1A0.46A03C8F@earthlink.net>3   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >eK > > Well, there is at least one that I can think of ("of which I can think"tK > > if you want it that way): if at least one link in the network is seriali= > > (sync or async) and flow control is not working properly.r > O > If that were the case, then wouldn't DECNET detect thsi and do retransmits inh > the case of data loss?  C That's what you would think. I'd be hard pressed to suggest another  cause, however.t   -- t David J. Dachteray dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:29:35 -060097 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>20 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files, Message-ID: <3A00EDAF.14E5904@earthlink.net>   JF Mezei wrote:r >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: > >dK > > Well, there is at least one that I can think of ("of which I can think"SK > > if you want it that way): if at least one link in the network is serialn= > > (sync or async) and flow control is not working properly.  > O > If that were the case, then wouldn't DECNET detect thsi and do retransmits ins > the case of data loss?  B What SHOULD happen is not always what DOES happen. I can't dismiss9 something that SHOULDN"T happen because if I do, it will.a   -- c David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:02:03 +0000a+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>tE Subject: Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?a' Message-ID: <3A0084CB.18042D36@iee.org>    Phillip Helbig wrote:.G > I'm puzzled by the following behaviour.  First, when I switch off the.I > console terminal and switch it back on, I'm back at the >>> and have to H > tell it to boot.  Second, doing the same while a program (such as SHOWJ > CLUSTER, MONITOR etc) shows the power-up sequence (memory test etc) when# > the terminal is switched back on._  8 A BREAK is more or less exactly what happens on the line3 when you power-cycle a terminal. So your VAXstation-5 believes it has seen the result of you pressing BREAKt on the terminal.  5 In alternate console mode, I don't believe that thereu7 is any way of modifying this behaviour on a VAXstation.g   Antoniol   -- s   ---------------(- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:14:23 GMTh& From: Wolfgang Rupp <wolfgang@rupp.nu>E Subject: Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?t5 Message-ID: <PI%L5.151255$mL4.7596536@news.chello.at>   : In comp.sys.dec antonio.carlini <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote:: > A BREAK is more or less exactly what happens on the line5 > when you power-cycle a terminal. So your VAXstatione7 > believes it has seen the result of you pressing BREAKm > on the terminal.  D _Sometimes_ I managed to pull the terminal jack out and then plug itE in again, with the machine still running. However, this was only donee/ to try it out - tell it a feasibility study :-)a  
 Wolfgang RuppA   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:40:21 GMTt2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>E Subject: Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?l7 Message-ID: <pZ0M5.7575$Qz2.210690@typhoon.aracnet.com>-  ; In comp.sys.dec Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote:vH > I'm puzzled by the following behaviour.  First, when I switch off the J > console terminal and switch it back on, I'm back at the >>> and have to I > tell it to boot.  Second, doing the same while a program (such as SHOW -K > CLUSTER, MONITOR etc) shows the power-up sequence (memory test etc) when -# > the terminal is switched back on.0  I > First, is this behaviour expected?  Second, if so, can someone explain S > it?   E I've got the same thing with a VAXstation 3100 I've got.  This is theeL expected behaviour.  However, if you want to just access it via the net, andK are only using the VT320 to boot it you can set it up to automatically bootAK off of the hard drive, then don't connect a terminal to it.  It should thenvK boot up and let you access it via the network.  This is what I've done withD my 3100.  L What I'm wondering is does this happen with the VAXstation 4000's, I know itG doens't with a DEC 3000/300LX or a AlphaStation 200 4/233 (thankfully).n   			Zanef   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2000 06:35:34 GMT/O From: ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess, University of Queensland)nE Subject: Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?e. Message-ID: <8tr1vm$oce$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>    (Phillip Helbig) writes:oH >I have a VAXstation which I saved from being destroyed, and I'm testingE >it out.  I have the S3 switch up and a VT320 as the console.  At thesG >moment, there is a relatively bare-bones VMS 7.1 on an 0.5 GB internalgI >disk.  Since I'm just testing it out now, I haven't loaded any licenses.aG >I'm puzzled by the following behaviour.  First, when I switch off the nI >console terminal and switch it back on, I'm back at the >>> and have to hH >tell it to boot.  Second, doing the same while a program (such as SHOW J >CLUSTER, MONITOR etc) shows the power-up sequence (memory test etc) when " >the terminal is switched back on. >hH >First, is this behaviour expected?  Second, if so, can someone explain  >it?  - At the >>>, do you _have_to_ tell it to boot?I( What happens if you tell it to CONTINUE?   Cheers,s
        IanG -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --rG Ian Burgess                                     I.Burgess@its.uq.edu.auaG Information Technology Services                 Phone:   61 7 336 54074r Prentice Buildingc The University of Queensland BRISBANE AUSTRALIA 4072    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:22:53 -0500/ From: "IanPercival" <IanPercival@email.msn.com> ; Subject: Re: VIOC max transfer blocks before cache bypassedd) Message-ID: <eItCdvGRAHA.329@cpmsnbbsa09>.  , > XFC is a completely new beast.  Caches can4 > grow *much* larger (on one test system that I use,6 > the XFC is currently using 8gb (half of the system's4 > memory) to cache my entire test.  And, of  course,  > any size I/O will be serviced.  L XFC cuts off caching I/Os larger than 127 blocks in size by default - it's aC dynamic sysgen parameter though, and so can be raised or lowered if  required...o  I The SYSGEN parameter is something like VCC_MAXIOSIZE - I forget the exacthJ name, as I'm not logged into a VMS system at the moment, and confess don'tH use it too much... (SYSGEN> SHOW VCC will give you the correct parameter, name - it's fairly obvious when you see it!)   Ian Percival XFC Project Leader   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:42:36 GMTc( From: Jay Olson <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> Subject: VMS keyboard on T15102 Message-ID: <3A00D42B.4A5D061B@triton.com.no.spam>  H Has anyone tried one of the Compaq T1510 "Thin clients"? This appears toB be an X terminal based on Linux in flash. I was wondering if it isH possible to hook up an LK461 or similar "VMS-style" keyboard to this box and have it work as expected.m  ( 	- Jay Olson (jjo "at" triton "dot" com) 	Triton Software Group LLC   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:00:44 -00002 From: "Kevin Playford" <kevin.playford@virgin.net>0 Subject: Re: What happened to Snapshot Services?( Message-ID: <8tpspb$mob$1@supernews.com>  A I guess my question was a loaded one as I'd worked on the products previously.t  G The core of Snapshot Services still lives, I believe, in the Windows NTe product.  H As for the product not working in a cluster. Well I'm not going to argue againstaL the posted view about problems working in a cluster. There were problems but2 I don't believe they were insurmountable problems.  " Water under the bridge I'm afraid.   Kevin ) Ex Project Lead for VMS Snapshot Servicese  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:NmcpW6wu2hwg@eisner.decus.org...AK > In article <dVEK5.24433$h%4.125535@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, "Kevine- Playford" <kevin.playford@virgin.net> writes:e > >sK > > Can anybody tell me what happened to the Snapshot Services product thatE( > > was supposed to be released for VMS? > >yF > > I was under the impression that it was released for Windows NT but didn't3 > > see any further announcements about it for VMS.i >dB > I believe they reconsidered when they tried to make it work in a@ > (real) cluster.  I believe they were going to try a more fully@ > integrated approach.  As I understand it some of the shadowingA > changes in the current V7.3 SDK are intended to provide some ofg= > that, but I don't use shadowing so I am far from an expert.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:24:16 GMT % From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>l0 Subject: Re: What happened to Snapshot Services?) Message-ID: <8tq1ll$k8n$1@nnrp1.deja.com>1  ( In article <8tpspb$mob$1@supernews.com>,5   "Kevin Playford" <kevin.playford@virgin.net> wrote:-C > I guess my question was a loaded one as I'd worked on the producti
 > previously.  >sF > The core of Snapshot Services still lives, I believe, in the Windows
 > NT product.i  B Virtual Replicator (not to be confused with DRM - data replication% manager - which lives on the HSG-80):o  @ http://www.compaq.com/products/storageworks/swvr/swvr_index.html  D > As for the product not working in a cluster. Well I'm not going toD > argue against the posted view about problems working in a cluster.B > There were problems but I don't believe they were insurmountable > problems.M  F Hey, it was even in the price list already and I was about to sell it!   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 21:57:46 GMTi* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)7 Subject: RE: Why missing [000000] after volume restore? ( Message-ID: <8tq3kq$j8$1@hecate.umd.edu>  H >In your three volume set there are sets of xxx.SYS files on each of theJ >three volumes but only those on the first volume will contain pointers toK >your user files. The files in [SYSLOST] are probably the xxx.SYS files (orMB >pointers to those files) which would be on the unmounted volume.   M Yesterday I did a SET FILE/REMOVE [000000]SYSLOST.DIR;1 on the root volume to O get rid on the extra .SYS files from RVN 2, on the theory that the entries were 9 in the SYSLOST.DIR file only, not in anyone's INDEXF.SYS.   L I just finished restoring RVN 2 of my volume set.  I was able to mount all 3L volumes of the set without a problem.  I then did a ANAL/DISK/REPAIR, and itN said that SYSLOST.DIR was not in a directory.  It created [SYSLOST], which hasK a SYSLOST.DIR in it.  In the directory [SYSLOST.SYSLOST] is my problem.  ItaL still has the .SYS files!  Here's a DIR of the directory, as well as the topD level directory on RVN 2 (DKA600 is RVN 1 and DKB400 is RVN 2, btw):  # Sys_ACE>DIRE DKA600:[SYSLOST.*]/FILe  " Directory DKA600:[SYSLOST.SYSLOST]   BADBLK.SYS;1         (3,3,2) BADLOG.SYS;1         (9,9,2) BITMAP.SYS;1         (2,2,2) INDEXF.SYS;1         (1,1,2)   Total of 4 files.e  Sys_ACE>DIRE DKB400:[000000]/FIL   Directory DKB400:[000000],   000000.DIR;1         (4,4,2) BACKUP.SYS;1         (8,8,2) BADBLK.SYS;1         (3,3,2) BADLOG.SYS;1         (9,9,2) BITMAP.SYS;1         (2,2,2) CONTIN.SYS;1         (7,7,2) CORIMG.SYS;1         (5,5,2) INDEXF.SYS;1         (1,1,2) SECURITY.SYS;1       (10,10,2) VOLSET.SYS;1         (6,6,2)   Total of 10 files.  J Instead of panicking, I decided these were duplicate entries that could beH reomved, so I did a SET FILE/REMOVE DKA600:[SYSLOST.SYSLOST]BADBLK.SYS;1I and so on.  A DIR/FIL DKB400:[000000] shows the files are still on RVN 2.h  L >To obtain a "good" volume set again I would recommend that you reinitialiseH >the three volumes and then restore the whole volume set on to the three
 >volumes.   L Yes, I realize this, but it'll take a day to reload these guys.  What do youO think of the (ahem) shortcut solution?  Now that duplicate .SYS files are gone, I and the RVN 2 .SYS files are in the right place, this should work, right?y   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 22:38:21 -0600n7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>,7 Subject: Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?e- Message-ID: <3A00EFBD.66A88923@earthlink.net>e   Lawrence Bleau wrote:( > John McCallister wrote:t [snip]N > >To obtain a "good" volume set again I would recommend that you reinitialiseJ > >the three volumes and then restore the whole volume set on to the three > >volumes.e > N > Yes, I realize this, but it'll take a day to reload these guys.  What do youQ > think of the (ahem) shortcut solution?  Now that duplicate .SYS files are gone,tK > and the RVN 2 .SYS files are in the right place, this should work, right?d  F Well, so far, the "shortcut" is turning out to be the long cut. It mayC take a day to redo the restore, but you've been "down" for two daysu$ already (by the time you read this).  B The easiest (and by far the best, IMHO) way to straighten this outA (un-SNAFU it) is to redo the restore, this time letting it run toe completion, uninterrupted.   -- s David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------   Date: 01 Nov 2000 23:40:30 GMT# From: casinoop2@aol.com (CasinoOp2),/ Subject: Windows NT to OpenVMS access questionsn: Message-ID: <20001101184030.27040.00000163@ng-cs1.aol.com>  N I am trying to get some Windows NT PCs to talk to an Alpha server. From the PCO I can login to VMS using Reflection and can send/receive files using ReflectiontO FTP Neighborhood but I can't map a drive to the server. Also when the PC boots,sL I get a message saying it can't find the Pathworks licenses. When I click onN Network Neighborhood, then Entire Network, then NetWare or Compatible Network,J I get the message "Unable to browse  the network. The network path was notM found." I don't know what path is being talked about or how to even find out.n* Can anyone shed some light on this for me?  . Here is what I have (as best as I can recall):    > o Alpha (DS-20) with OpenVMS v7.2-1, loaded/configured with...   tcp/ip
   decnet plusc   pathworks    decwindows   motift  . o PC with Windows NT 4.0 (sp4), loaded with...   reflection x   pathworks 32  1 o PCs and Alpha plug into a 12 port 10-base-t hub     O I have down loaded the Pathworks, Decnet, and tcp/ip document stuff and I think-M (?) I have them configured correctly. But I am clearly missing something. Any  help would be appreciated!     Clark Calkinsb   Schafer Corp   ccalkins@schafercorp.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.612 ************************