1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 02 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 613       Contents:P Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresentaP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresentaP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta Re: %RMS-F-BUG on OpenVMS 5.5-2  Re: Alpha equivalent BLISS and $GETSYI  BLISS and $GETSYI  Re: BLISS and $GETSYI  Re: Disk mounting problem # Downloading FDL files from FTP site  Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again.1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? 1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? 1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? H Re: FS: DEC TK50Z-G3 SCSI Tape Unit in UK  (7 free TK50 cartridgesoffer) FW: Apache on OpenVMS?
 GAWK for VMS? " Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Is "errno" thread safe in OpenVMS?& Re: Is "errno" thread safe in OpenVMS? Re: Java on Openvms ! Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS  Re: open an Imac?  Oracle RDB Bugcheck  Oracle RDB Bugcheck  Re: Oracle RDB Bugcheck  Oracle RDB Sql Services  Re: OS Update Ramification Re: OS Update Ramification Re: OS Update Ramification Pathwork 5.0 and clipper porting from open vms to winnt" RE: porting from open vms to winnt8 Re: Questions about SHOW MEM/SLOTS and swapped processes Random User Security Questions" Re: Random User Security Questions Random User Security Questions Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: RECALL question/suggestion.  Re: Software source book Re: Software source book Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOG 
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 Re: Time Zone ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' RE: VAX Mail question - corrupted files ' RE: VAX Mail question - corrupted files < Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?< Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?) VMS font configuration with Reflections-X  Re: VMS keyboard on T1510 . RE: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?* Re: Windows NT to OpenVMS access questions  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 11:21:16 -0500 2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent + Message-ID: <3$LVmLux9joY@eisner.decus.org>   ) In article <8tpa3f$tub$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, # Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com> writes:  > * >> TPU won't let you insert <CR> in lines. > 5 > Well, it will - you just have to "ask nicely".  ;-)  > $ > Command: TPU COPY_TEXT(ASCII(13)); >  > Fatz.    Control-V Control-M is faster.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 11:16:52 -0500 2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent + Message-ID: <cJTW7Y9lb14v@eisner.decus.org>   [ In article <8tp41h$r4k$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: C > In article <39FF859B.5E674D42@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" ( > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >  >> Phillip Helbig wrote: >> >   > I >> Eh, well, not quite - it reads in the first bit of the file (circa. 44 ! >> records), not the entire file.  >>  ' >> > (maximum 255 characters per line).  >>  F >> ....and chokes on records bigger than about 256 characters or so (I& >> think, it's close to that, anyway). > E > Sometimes, I have to edit the first few lines of a 40 MB PostScript 1 > file.  EDT is definitely the tool of choice....   2 TECO is definitely faster for many of those tasks.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:02:08 +0000 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent 8 Message-ID: <1ne20t0qm4gpnu41iccbse213n4i1euush@4ax.com>  G On 1 Nov 2000 18:10:33 GMT, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote:   E >In article <D4wbE8ULuDcr@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org  >(Bob Koehler) writes:   > B >> EDIT/EDT on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1 invokes SYS$SYSTEM:EDT.EXE, notJ >> SYS$SYSTEM:TPU.EXE.  EVE comes with an EDT keyboard emulation only, notG >> a full implementation of EDT (can't do other than full screen change 	 >> mode).  >>  H >> The OpenVMS 7.2, 7.2-1 and 7.2-1H1 SPD states that EVE's EDT keyboardK >> emulator is provided and "EDT is also supported on OpenVMS Alpha Version J >> 7.2 and OpenVMS VAX Version 7.2".  The change notice at the top implies: >> this is not meant to be different for 7.2-1 or 7.2-1H1. >>  C >> To me this reads that real EDT is a currently supported feature.  > E >Right, which is what I thought.  However, I suppose it can still be  I >supported but development and documentation "frozen".  Actually, I like  F >that concept: it's supported but already fully developed so it won't  >change!  B Out of interest, has TPU been significantly developed ?  (Or EVE?)  E I immediately took a dislike to EVE when the EDT keypad emulation was ? not introduced as the default (hey look, a new editor which has F virtually no keypad use !), and haven't really bothered with TPU since= I'm not often text processing (a different thing to editing).   G But then, I stuck with SOS (and occasional SLP) for some time after EDT F arrived, as it could be much faster in experienced hands and over slow? terminal lines.  (Anyone remember EDTCAI ?) There are still SOS 0 facilities I miss, such as the pattern matching.   	John  --  
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:28:35 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta ) Message-ID: <3A017A13.85292B3B@bbc.co.uk>    Phillip Helbig wrote:   F > In article <D4wbE8ULuDcr@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org > (Bob Koehler) writes: D > > To me this reads that real EDT is a currently supported feature. > E > Right, which is what I thought.  However, I suppose it can still be I > supported but development and documentation "frozen".  Actually, I like F > that concept: it's supported but already fully developed so it won't	 > change!   J Except, Phillip, that it was you that started this thread by reporting and= EDT crash. So, you will have to get used to that bug I guess.    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:31:38 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta ) Message-ID: <3A017ACA.363A121E@bbc.co.uk>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > Phillip Helbig wrote: 	 >  [snip] G > > Sometimes, I have to edit the first few lines of a 40 MB PostScript 	 > > file.  > F > YIKE! Wouldn't it be easier to fix the program? ...or is that not an	 > option?   A FWIW, when I was a particle physicist it was quite common to edit I postcript files to fine tune the output. Fixing the program was generally C NOT an option, just for one or two figures for a paper or whatever.     -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:02:31 -0700 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta D Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001102080140.00a85ab0@pop.clsp.uswest.net>  + At 07:31 AM 11/2/2000, Tim Llewellyn wrote:      >"David J. Dachtera" wrote:  >  > > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > >  [snip] I > > > Sometimes, I have to edit the first few lines of a 40 MB PostScript  > > > file.  > > H > > YIKE! Wouldn't it be easier to fix the program? ...or is that not an > > option?  > B >FWIW, when I was a particle physicist it was quite common to editJ >postcript files to fine tune the output. Fixing the program was generallyD >NOT an option, just for one or two figures for a paper or whatever.  F Ah, now, there you go!  Same thing I learned in college (physics majorD myself): first draw the curve, then plot the points.  Better results guaranteed every time!  <grin>   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+ I | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     | I | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:33:41 -0500' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> ( Subject: Re: %RMS-F-BUG on OpenVMS 5.5-2( Message-ID: <8ts8l7$m73$1@pyrite.mv.net>  8 Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote in message) news:t037m6mmoufafd@news.supernews.com...  > Hi Folks,  > L > A colleague has asked me to help him with some code that is malfunctioning  > - OpenVMS 5.5-2 on a MicroVax. > K > This chunk of C code encounters n "%RMS-F-BUG" error while doing I/O to a G > local isam file.  There are actually 10 processes (running indentical  code) I > that are reading from and writing to this file.  When the error occurs,  the I > offending process is deleted by vms.  The error occurs only under heavy 5 > load conditions.  The manual says to submit an SPR.  > L > My question is:  Is it possible that we've scrambled the contents of a FABG > or RAB, and that in turn is causing this error (there's a significant ) > amount of AST processing in this code).   K IIRC RMS inhales FABs and RABs at the start of an operation, validates them I (so if they were garbage at that time it should catch that), and uses its K internal copies thereafter for the operation (i.e., whatever you do to them F subsequently shouldn't matter).  In fact, I'd be somewhat surprised ifH *anything* you could do in an unprivileged process ought to cause RMS toB behave this way (which may be why the reaction constitutes a bug).   > C > Also, we're calling $PUT from within an AST.  Is this a bad idea?   J Shouldn't be - but to get the results you want you should know what you're doing.   - bill   >  > ws >  > --5 > << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>    ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:22:50 +0100. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si> Subject: Re: Alpha equivalent 1 Message-ID: <InhM5.33663$iZ1.13001@news.siol.net>    Hay,    L <bawilhelm@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8ts23a$7ei$1@nnrp1.deja.com...C > We will soon be implementing PeopleSoft HR, FR and Student at our F > University.  We are a VMS shop and were going to move to UNIX on SunI > for our database server, due to the unsure future of OpenVMS.  With the G > recent move on Oracle's part to increase the support level for VMS we I > are considering staying with VMS on Alpha.  We had a Sun machine spec'd I > for the project and I am wodering if someone could give me a comparable G > alpha configuration based on performance.  I have been looking at the I > specs of both architectures and have been having difficulty coorelating 
 > the two. >  > Sun Enterprise 4500 Server/ > 4 x 400MHZ UltraSPARC CPU's 8M external cache  > 4 Gbyte memory  I Good and cheaper choice will be ES40 with 4 667MHz CPUs 4 GB (up to 32GB)  RAM   C End price will be determined with storage requirements. ES40 have 2 1 variants, with 6 PCI slots and with 10 PCI slots.   C You can trade your old VMS systems and licenses on this new server.   K ES40 is very good performer (fastest Compaq system), In practise you nedd 2 L or more SUN cpus to match one Alpha cpu. But the real application preformaceJ is also depend on storage connections. If you use FC connections, then you! can realy utilise ES40 CPU power.    best, Gorazd Kikelj  Aster      --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikelj  OpenVMS system support Aster d.o.o. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si www:  www.aster.si     >  > Thanks > Brent Wilhelm  > Salisbury State University > System Admin/DBA > bawilhelm@ssu. edu >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:52:39 GMT   From: ROBERT.MURPHY@RB.CWPLC.COM Subject: BLISS and $GETSYI) Message-ID: <8trrj4$1eg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   : Hi, (I think this might have been posted twice, apologies)  D Not too sure if this is the right place, but I will ask anyway - can' anyone help with this bizaare problem ?   D I am trying to call $GETSYI with the item code SYI$_BOOTTIME, but on compilation I get the error -   B   %ERRORMACRO:  initialization data exceeds allocation of SYI_LISTB   Error occurred expanding macro $$ITM_INITIATE, called from macro
 $ITMLST_INIT,   called from source   D SYI_LIST is the name of my item list, and I am initialising it using@ $ITMLIST_INIT, the return buffer is declared as VECTOR [2, LONG,C UNSIGNED] which, according to the BLISS documentation is correct to " return a 64bit absolute timestamp.  D I have not had a problem calling other item codes, its just this one which is giving me aggro.   E Anyone out there got any thoughts, or example code they could send me  to compare with ?    Most appreciated !  
 Rob Murphy robert.murphy@rb.cwplc.com    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:51:26 GMT  From: robmuk@my-deja.com Subject: BLISS and $GETSYI) Message-ID: <8trrgr$1du$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,   . Not too sure if this is the right place, but I+ will ask anyway - can anyone help with this  bizaare problem ?   . I am trying to call $GETSYI with the item code+ SYI$_BOOTTIME, but on compilation I get the  error -   +   %ERRORMACRO:  initialization data exceeds  allocation of SYI_LIST0   Error occurred expanding macro $$ITM_INITIATE, called from macro $ITMLST_INIT,   called from source   . SYI_LIST is the name of my item list, and I am/ initialising it using $ITMLIST_INIT, the return 0 buffer is declared as VECTOR [2, LONG, UNSIGNED]. which, according to the BLISS documentation is- correct to return a 64bit absolute timestamp.   + I have not had a problem calling other item 2 codes, its just this one which is giving me aggro.  - Anyone out there got any thoughts, or example ) code they could send me to compare with ?    Most appreciated !  
 Rob Murphy robert.murphy@rb.cwplc.com    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:51:42 GMT  From: robmuk@my-deja.com Subject: Re: BLISS and $GETSYI) Message-ID: <8trv1p$4lc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D  ... OOPS ! ... ignore this, I had missed out a bracket ... its been one of those days ....    ) In article <8trrj4$1eg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,O#   ROBERT.MURPHY@RB.CWPLC.COM wrote:s< > Hi, (I think this might have been posted twice, apologies) >eF > Not too sure if this is the right place, but I will ask anyway - can) > anyone help with this bizaare problem ?p >eF > I am trying to call $GETSYI with the item code SYI$_BOOTTIME, but on > compilation I get the error -, >tD >   %ERRORMACRO:  initialization data exceeds allocation of SYI_LISTD >   Error occurred expanding macro $$ITM_INITIATE, called from macro > $ITMLST_INIT,R >  called from sourcer > F > SYI_LIST is the name of my item list, and I am initialising it usingB > $ITMLIST_INIT, the return buffer is declared as VECTOR [2, LONG,E > UNSIGNED] which, according to the BLISS documentation is correct toF$ > return a 64bit absolute timestamp. >eF > I have not had a problem calling other item codes, its just this one > which is giving me aggro.f >iG > Anyone out there got any thoughts, or example code they could send mef > to compare with ?l >f > Most appreciated ! >f > Rob Murphy > robert.murphy@rb.cwplc.com > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >K    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:55:19 -0600D$ From: Dave Bullen <dwbullen@mmm.com>" Subject: Re: Disk mounting problem' Message-ID: <3A019C77.163FBA3B@mmm.com>u  M Other ways to to access a disk on another cluster would be to setup a logicalM that points to the disk:  > Assuming you have a proxy set up in DECnet for System on ORION    A BORDER$   define/sys/exec/trans=term orion$disk "orion::$1$dua1:"S  O Software available from SoftwarePartners/32  called THRUWAY allows you to mount 	 disk fromn one system on another:  - Their URL is http://www.softwarepartners.com r   Bruce Pagram wrote:e >  > Good morning > B > Is it possible to mount a volume on one cluster from a different* > cluster?  NFS is out due to lack of UCX. >  > Thanks in advanceE >  > Bruce/   -db- RCM Technologies   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:09:38 -0800' From: "Guard Hewitt" <guearsdi@aol.com>s, Subject: Downloading FDL files from FTP site? Message-ID: <N7iM5.6440$sd5.108982@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>b  J We have run into problems with customers downloading FDL files off our FTPD site using a browser. The only way we've found to download the filesI correctly is using the GET/FDL command from VMS. Is there a way to zip ori< package these files so they make it off the FTP site intact?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:42:43 +0000e0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again. * Message-ID: <3A016143.F178C010@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:o > , > In article <39FFFA48.DC111710@uk.sun.com>,5 >   andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:i > >t
 > > [snip] > > F > > The capabilities of the HW platform is also important, VLM withoutB > > a reasonable amount of available memory isn't that usefull andD > > that was always the issue with the 8400/GS140. This was probablyD > > the reason why Digital/Compaq were never able to demonstrate the > > benefitsG > > of 64bit/VLM on any standard DBMS benchmarks that could be comparedsA > > with other vendors results. In fact there is no evidence thattC > > Compaq tried to make any use of VLM for any of these benchmarks D > > and if they did there the results obtained were not competitive. > >t > H > Can anyone doubt that Andrew is on a FUD campaign against Compaq here? >  Jordan  > Lets examine the statement you are complaining about shall we > and try to get to the bottom of your FACT vs FUD dillema shall we.   D My statement that Digital/Compaq were unable to show any performance? benefits of using a 64bit OS and VLM for DBMS's measured using  G standard benchmarks such as TPC/SAP/PeoplSoft etc is TRUE, you may not iC like it but you won't get any support from anyone at Compaq to back ? you up because there is no support to available. Well with the  . exception of Kerry but you want support right.  F So this apparently is FUD, its TRUE, can it be FUD if its TRUE. Now of> course I will be happy to be accused of FUD if you are saying ? that FUD is simply a statement that is entirely TRUE but which   is simply uncomfortable to you.e  = I have not bothered detailing the depths of your FUD attempt t; with respect to Sun and Java but as I keep saying you need e to get more mirror time.   RegardsT Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT ArchitectE   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:53:24 +0000-0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.e* Message-ID: <3A0163C4.538A5C93@uk.sun.com>   Dirk Munk wrote: >  > andrew harrison wrote: > >s > > JF Mezei wrote:e > > >g > > > andrew harrison wrote:A > > > > If however you want availability and scalability then fori? > > > > scalability reasons you need to partition your data andr< > > > > your users which is a much trickier proposition than( > > > > simply running OPS on two nodes. > > > >n? > > > > Strangely this isn't spin as any Oracle OPS trained DBAi > > > > will tell you  > > >n% > > > OK, here is a serious question:  > > >cR > > > Is this where 64 bit memory and VLM make a significant difference because itE > > > allows you to scale a single database without partitioning it ?p > > > > > Well that depends on your database, access paterns and the9 > > capabilities of the HW platform hosting the database.e > >f? > > The whole point about 64bit memory and VLM is that it isn'ta> > > a magic button that will suddenly make all apps go faster. > > ? > > For example a DBMS with a small number of very large tablesa? > > say 1-2 TB may not benefit at all from VLM and you will get'B > > much better performance paybacks by tuning your I/O subsystem. > >iA > > And at the end of the day the major benefit of VLM is that ite? > > defers doing read I/O which is its big performance benefit, @ > > if for example you are in a write intensive environment thenE > > this won't help and what you need is more I/O which may translate > > > itself into having to use more Nodes to do the I/O e.g OPS > > and partitioning.h > >(F > > The capabilities of the HW platform is also important, VLM withoutB > > a reasonable amount of available memory isn't that usefull andD > > that was always the issue with the 8400/GS140. This was probablyD > > the reason why Digital/Compaq were never able to demonstrate the > > benefitsG > > of 64bit/VLM on any standard DBMS benchmarks that could be comparedeA > > with other vendors results. In fact there is no evidence thatrC > > Compaq tried to make any use of VLM for any of these benchmarksBD > > and if they did there the results obtained were not competitive. > J > Of course, the 8x00 series were designed a long time ago when memory wasJ > still very expensive. And Unix was 32 bits, VMS was 64 bits years beforeG > any Unix version. Even today, VMS can address 8 TB, True64 only 28GB. 3 > True64 wil be able to handel more memory in V5.2., >  > > @ > > Of course the GS320 supports much more memory than the GS140@ > > making caching large tables a possibility however the highly? > > Non-unifomness of the GS320 memory subsystem has introduced > > > a new set of issues which add another dimension to anyones- > > efforts to tune their DBMS on the system.t > E > And how much memory can a E10000 have ? According to my informationyJ > 35GB, and that is roughly the same as a ES40 (32GB). Compare that to theI > GS320 with 256GB max. Maybe there are tuning issues, but at least there  > is something to tune.  > E Your information isn't that accurate the E10000 supports 64 GB of RAM-% and has done since its introduction. a  G Nor is your point very relevant since it isn't Sun who have been making B performance claims for 64bit and VLM it was Digtal at a time when B as you have so reasonably pointed out they didn't have a box that B could make any sort of use of it. I think this is what people call marketing B***S**T.o  B The GS320 does support 256 GB so does that mean that in your view B 5 years after the start of the 64bit VLM marketing campaign CompaqA does now finally have a box which could show the benefits of VLM.s  @ And as for tuning at the moment Compaq have in effect carved the@ GS320 up into 8 separate nodes each with 32 GB of RAM by running> OPS in a box to get their current TPC-C TPM number. So you are. sort of right, they do have much more to tune.     Regardsr Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:01:51 -0000m- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer):% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.o/ Message-ID: <t02sufoa1jkte1@news.supernews.com>D  F andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com (andrew harrison) wrote in <3A016143.F178C010
 @uk.sun.com>:L  E >My statement that Digital/Compaq were unable to show any performanceg@ >benefits of using a 64bit OS and VLM for DBMS's measured using H >standard benchmarks such as TPC/SAP/PeoplSoft etc is TRUE, you may not D >like it but you won't get any support from anyone at Compaq to back@ >you up because there is no support to available. Well with the / >exception of Kerry but you want support right.i  0 SAP/Peoplesoft is hardly a "standard benchmark".   ws   --  3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:28:14 -0500h2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.-* Message-ID: <3A01880E.69E2616F@oracle.com>   andrew harrison wrote: 	. 	. 	.F > My statement that Digital/Compaq were unable to show any performance@ > benefits of using a 64bit OS and VLM for DBMS's measured usingH > standard benchmarks such as TPC/SAP/PeoplSoft etc is TRUE, you may notE > like it but you won't get any support from anyone at Compaq to back 2 > you up because there is no support to available.  ) 	Certainly, at the time, the world record-0 TPM/C number on the 8400 with Rdb was using VLM / on VMS (well more than 10gb of the database in c1 cache).  This was back around 1995.  You may haves been misinformed in the past..   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:02:08 +0000m4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>: Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?8 Message-ID: <l3e20tsb15p48d0c92r9vfpehuo4tird3v@4ax.com>  7 On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:42:06 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"i$ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  ' >paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:i >>   >> David Dachtera wrote: >>  J >> > What I'd like to see is the ability to support user-defined lexicals,7 >> > perhaps even U$function() instead of F$function().  >> d3 >> Not so sure why we have to burden DCL with this.  >yI >Because sometimes we need user-defined functions that can be embedded in  >command strings.   F Don't forget that your CLI is sort-of active all of the time (just oneG of those chapters of the IDSM I haven't got around to reading yet).  If D you were to demand that it run-time activate some supplied shareable= images in order to access user-defined lexical functions, andrG remembering that there is no supported way of deactivating such images,tE then your CLI will simply grow and grow.  This is not very desirable.nD An alternative would be for a U$function call to activate a separateG image which itself calls lib$find_image_symbol to find your lexical and H then run down as normal images do, but then you have that overhead - youG may as well have simply written a specific image to do your bidding and F have it use the command line for input and perhaps a global symbol for8 return values (not a very intuitive interface, granted).  : Someone correct me if I missed the point about the CLI ;-)   	Johnc -- :
 John Laird   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:22:38 GMTb= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)d: Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?0 Message-ID: <009F281D.C2F5D98F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <l3e20tsb15p48d0c92r9vfpehuo4tird3v@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes:h8 >On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:42:06 -0600, "David J. Dachtera"% ><djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:t >n( >>paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote: >>>  >>> David Dachtera wrote:  >>> K >>> > What I'd like to see is the ability to support user-defined lexicals,p8 >>> > perhaps even U$function() instead of F$function(). >>> 4 >>> Not so sure why we have to burden DCL with this. >>J >>Because sometimes we need user-defined functions that can be embedded in >>command strings. >tG >Don't forget that your CLI is sort-of active all of the time (just one(H >of those chapters of the IDSM I haven't got around to reading yet).  IfE >you were to demand that it run-time activate some supplied shareable > >images in order to access user-defined lexical functions, andH >remembering that there is no supported way of deactivating such images,F >then your CLI will simply grow and grow.  This is not very desirable.  E What!!!  If, for example, an image is activated (merged) into addressnF space using LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, the address space will not grow andE frow everytime LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL is used to access som symbol in - the same shareable image.M  E >An alternative would be for a U$function call to activate a separate.H >image which itself calls lib$find_image_symbol to find your lexical andI >then run down as normal images do, but then you have that overhead - youpH >may as well have simply written a specific image to do your bidding andG >have it use the command line for input and perhaps a global symbol foru9 >return values (not a very intuitive interface, granted).e >c; >Someone correct me if I missed the point about the CLI ;-)g  D I wouldn't say you've missed the point but perhaps you are not awareD of all of the possibilities.  An image can be loaded into process P1D space and referenced across image activations.  The proof of conceptE work that I did for my F$call() lexical uses a stub image loaded into D P1 space to provide the target calls.  I didn't go much further withD this project because to pass arguments would mean having to hanfle aC number of aspects of the actual command line parsing and I have nottC decided how to best handle that to make things most flexible.  It'dgD be nice too if some of the DCL internals were just a bit more acces-C sible too -- they're not out of reach, just extra effort to get to.s   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             lO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.@   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:07:56 +0000 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>: Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?8 Message-ID: <71430t0u57mv1ni4fe0tas999757k76ii2@4ax.com>  @ On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:22:38 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:   p >In article <l3e20tsb15p48d0c92r9vfpehuo4tird3v@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes:9 >>On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 20:42:06 -0600, "David J. Dachtera" & >><djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: >>) >>>paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:a >>>> M >>>> David Dachtera wrote: >>>>  L >>>> > What I'd like to see is the ability to support user-defined lexicals,9 >>>> > perhaps even U$function() instead of F$function().U >>>> ]5 >>>> Not so sure why we have to burden DCL with this.c >>>rK >>>Because sometimes we need user-defined functions that can be embedded ini >>>command strings.  >>H >>Don't forget that your CLI is sort-of active all of the time (just oneI >>of those chapters of the IDSM I haven't got around to reading yet).  If F >>you were to demand that it run-time activate some supplied shareable? >>images in order to access user-defined lexical functions, and I >>remembering that there is no supported way of deactivating such images,:G >>then your CLI will simply grow and grow.  This is not very desirable.P > F >What!!!  If, for example, an image is activated (merged) into addressG >space using LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL, the address space will not grow and@F >frow everytime LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL is used to access som symbol in  >the same shareable image.  E Sorry, I hadn't meant to imply that.  What I did mean was that unless G you wish to restrict the support for "user" lexicals to one image, theniC presumably you open up the possibility that an endless list of such < images may be referenced over the course of one DCL session.  F Space for symbols and logicals is, I am sure, strictly limited.  WouldE you want any other mechanism to be essentially unlimited, or to drivee8 down the quotas available to the normal user processes ?  F >>An alternative would be for a U$function call to activate a separateI >>image which itself calls lib$find_image_symbol to find your lexical andaJ >>then run down as normal images do, but then you have that overhead - youI >>may as well have simply written a specific image to do your bidding andtH >>have it use the command line for input and perhaps a global symbol for: >>return values (not a very intuitive interface, granted). >>< >>Someone correct me if I missed the point about the CLI ;-) >yE >I wouldn't say you've missed the point but perhaps you are not awareyE >of all of the possibilities.  An image can be loaded into process P1 E >space and referenced across image activations.  The proof of conceptgF >work that I did for my F$call() lexical uses a stub image loaded intoE >P1 space to provide the target calls.  I didn't go much further withtE >this project because to pass arguments would mean having to hanfle a D >number of aspects of the actual command line parsing and I have notD >decided how to best handle that to make things most flexible.  It'dE >be nice too if some of the DCL internals were just a bit more acces-RD >sible too -- they're not out of reach, just extra effort to get to.   Interesting.   	John  -- b
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:56:31 +0000k& From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>Q Subject: Re: FS: DEC TK50Z-G3 SCSI Tape Unit in UK  (7 free TK50 cartridgesoffer)2* Message-ID: <3A018EAF.433ED3A2@Compaq.com>   Nick Cole wrote:  
 > For Sale > DEC External SCSI Tape drive > Model: TK50Z-G3i# > Buyer collects from Cambridge, UKe  = In addition, I have 7 TK50 cartridges (still) going for free.g  ? I'm 10 miles south of Cambridge (village of Great Chesterford).u  ! "Buyer" collects from my home :-)s  	 Roy OmondT Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:00:28 +0200-. From: Gennady Meergus <gennady@pbr.gtekil.com> Subject: FW: Apache on OpenVMS?mA Message-ID: <002801c044ab$8965f230$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>3   Gaitan,8   Thanks again - that worked.e  8 I just want to mention two things in relation with that:  L 1. The patch is really hard to find because patch comments on their ftp site are a little bit misleading. You actually need patch called 		DRIVERS_V543022 L , however it is patch DRIVERS_V543020 that has comment "Adds Apache Support"J and it is NOT shown by default because its status is "Obsolete". The patchJ that you really need (which ends with 022) has comment "Fixes crash causedL by DRIVERS_V543020 ", so by default user has no clue to understand that thisG is what really needed. Only when you request listing including obsoleteeH ECOs, you can see the problematic patch DRIVERS_V543020 and then you can) understand that you need DRIVERS_V543022.   = I will write them a letter asking to mark it more explicitly.s  I 2. Can you organize that CSWS installation guide and readme will say thataH patch is necessary and will directly refer to the exact name of the ECO?F This will help other users to avoid problems like mine was. Currently,L installation instructions on the site do not say anything about patch needed for TCPWARE 5.3-3 or 5.4-3.P  / Again, thank you very much for your assistance.    Kindest regards,   Gennady.     -----Original Message-----5 From: Gennady Meergus [mailto:gennady@pbr.gtekil.com]h( Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 17:12 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma Subject: RE: Apache on OpenVMS?e     Gaitan,R   Thank you very much.  0 I've downloaded the ECO and I'll try it tonight. I'll post the results here.t  
 Kind regards,    Gennadyi   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Gaitan D'Antoni [mailto:gaitan.dantoni@COMPAQ.COM]* > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 16:40 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come! > Subject: Re: Apache on OpenVMS?d >  >r" > Gennady Meergus wrote in message: > <001301c043dd$9ad18670$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>...	 > >Hello,  > >-* > >Does anyone here use Apache on OpenVMS? > >>8 > >I installed it yesterday and I am concerned about its > security. Please see$ > >below, maybe I'm wrong somewhere. > >o? > >On UNIX/LINUX, it starts with root and then switches to usero > specified in; > >"user" directive (normally "nobody" is specified there); 9 > >On VMS, its startup procedure explicitly runs it under  > account specified in= > >"user", which, in turn, needs SYSPRV or BYPASS in order toi > bind to port 80.H > >As a result, the server process runs with SYSPRV all the time and I'm > afraid9 > >whether every cgi script it runs will also has SYSPRV.i > > ) > >I run OpenVMS 7.2-1 and TCPWARE 5.3-3.n > > ; > >So where is my mistake? Does it really needs SYSPRV? (it  > actually never< > >explicitly says it needs SYSPRV, however it does not work > until I give itc > to< > >it and the documentation says "must be 'root' in order to > bind to port > belowh
 > >1023"). >b> > There's an ECO from Process Software that fixes this problem! > http://vms.process.com/eco.htmlf >e > Gaitan D'Antonix0 > Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderG > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html  > Compaq Computer Corporationc   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2000 09:19:23 -0800  From: johnson@umtc.deM Subject: GAWK for VMS?( Message-ID: <8ts7mr055a@drn.newsguy.com>  A I've got a VAX 4000 Model 90 (with VMS 5.5-2) with no C compiler.m  E I need to get awk installed to write some scripts to automate severaln* labor-intensive jobs involving text files.  G Can anybody tell me how to go about getting awk for a VMS machine whichi doesn't have a C compiler?   Thanks.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:20:42 +0010l% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auh+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?e5 Message-ID: <01JW2QLSVWLU00628T@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>t   Sloan Essman wrote (in part):M  K >Also use /NOCRC with the backup command when using DLT drives.  SupposedlysL >the drives have enough error correction built into them that you don't needM >BACKUP to perform Cyclic Redundancy Checks.  This was according to the folksaI >who improved the BACKUP command for VMS 7.2.  They pointed it out duringa7 >Decus L.A. in 1998.  So just avoid that waste of time.n  N Yes, and another one I remember (and have put into my BACKUP.COM) in a thread P here, a post from Andy Goldstein mentioned /nocrc and also /group=0 (default is  10).  . His rationale of both hopefully still on deja.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,e
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, AustraliaS   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,m; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.       ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:06:03 GMTi% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)s+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?u2 Message-ID: <3a01387b.2055176457@news.newsguy.com>  3 On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 19:43:26 GMT, "Richard L. Dyson"t <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote:n    C >	I misread the original and thought /Cache was a backup qualifier.iH >I see it is a MOUNT qualifier.  But, I thought you weren't supposed to H >mount a tape before using BACKUP?  If the correct MOUNT /Cache=tape was@ >made before a Backup/Block=32256/Media=comp, would there be anyH >performance increase for a DLTIV (TK89) drive?  I have found I get onlyG >about 5 GB/hr averaged over 20+ hours at present.  Even an increase tol> >8 GB/hr that Dave Jones reported with a TK88 would be a great >improvment!  = A TK89 can sustain over 30GB/hr under VMS. Really it can. Trya@ comparing your settings with those below. Especially the account quotas   >P; >	What basic Mount/Backup commands with qualifiers for highmD >performance do others use for DLT tape drives off AlphaServer 1200, >doing >full /Image backups?-  ; For a fast backup to TK89 (change verify below if required).  , $ BK :== BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=(INTER,LABEL) -$   /BLOCK=65535/LAB=BACKUP/noVERIFY -   /media=compaction -e  ? Also the account that run BACKUP should have something like the0
 following:    9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       600  Bytlm:       128000a9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       300  JTquota:       4096c9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:      4096  WSdef:       200000b9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:      4096  WSquo:       200000 9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        40  WSextent:   1000000 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:     32767  Pgflquo:    2000000A  E Also could you post  a copy of the basic Accounting information for atB job which logs in, run your backup procedure then logs out. Here's1 what I see on an ES40 backing up well over 100GB r  7  SYSTEM       job terminated at  2-NOV-2000 08:21:01.28R     Accounting information: D   Buffered I/O count:             734336      Peak working set size: 203616@   Direct I/O count:              4480978      Peak virtual size: 372576>   Page faults:                     16052      Mounted volumes: 2 C   Charged CPU time:        0 01:14:40.53      Elapsed time:       0n 04:21:01.28  $        >Rick  >-- I >Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.edutI > _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/ I >| | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879sI >| | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-1753d7 >| \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy . > \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:36:17 GMTm% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)r+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?02 Message-ID: <3a013d20.2056365377@news.newsguy.com>  1 On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:30:29 +0000, Tim Llewellyn.  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >  >t >David Jones wrote:' >i >> >>J >> Once you make the blocksize a reasonable value, you should also look atH >> the specs on the tape drive to make sure you aren't expecting greaterJ >> throughput than drive itself is capable of.  My TZ88 lists a max. writeI >> rate of 3.0 MB/sec if using compression.  If you factor in that backup H >> writes 11 blocks to table for every 10 blocks of data, you get aroundG >> 10 gigabytes/hour as a threoretical maximum.  I usually get around 8t >> GB/sec on backup. >dF > OK, I'm being a pedant today, I think David meant GB/hour not GB/sec/ >(I did a quick back of the envelope estimate).   E Yep, a TK89 can handle 10MB/sec compressed which comes out at 36GB/hrsF and in reality we get about 30GB/hr so David's example scales up well.  6 >Otherwise, I WANT one of those DLT drives he has :-).  E That'll be his special DECThreads multithreaded backup going to 3,600, tape drives at the same time :)-     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:01:44 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.com+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?rH Message-ID: <OF20D6F0AA.10169B51-ON8025698B.004195EB@qedi.quintiles.com>  J But you've got the other issue with DLTs of "Can I keep them supplied withK enough data to keep writing continuously"?  This is allied to "my tape saysBK it can store 20GB but I'm only getting 15GB before it requests another" andcH "my backup took 3 hours before data compaction was applied but now takes 6.5 hours".5K If the DLT doesn't get data quick enough to carry on writing it will, after.J a specific period, stop, rewind to the end of data, and then start writingJ again when it has something to write.  This leads to tape scrubbing and toK excessively long backup times as the tape scans backwards and forwards pasth the tape heads.o   Steve.   Alan Greig wrote/quoted :pJ >>>>> Once you make the blocksize a reasonable value, you should also look atH >> the specs on the tape drive to make sure you aren't expecting greaterJ >> throughput than drive itself is capable of.  My TZ88 lists a max. writeI >> rate of 3.0 MB/sec if using compression.  If you factor in that backup H >> writes 11 blocks to table for every 10 blocks of data, you get aroundG >> 10 gigabytes/hour as a threoretical maximum.  I usually get around 8e >> GB/sec on backup. >uF > OK, I'm being a pedant today, I think David meant GB/hour not GB/sec/ >(I did a quick back of the envelope estimate).n  E Yep, a TK89 can handle 10MB/sec compressed which comes out at 36GB/hreF and in reality we get about 30GB/hr so David's example scales up well.  6 >Otherwise, I WANT one of those DLT drives he has :-).  E That'll be his special DECThreads multithreaded backup going to 3,600a" tape drives at the same time :)<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:55:35 +0000i- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> + Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?v( Message-ID: <3A017257.20EA47A@bbc.co.uk>   Alan Greig wrote:i  3 > On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:30:29 +0000, Tim Llewellyna" > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:9 >  >Otherwise, I WANT one of those DLT drives he has :-).a > G > That'll be his special DECThreads multithreaded backup going to 3,600-! > tape drives at the same time :)t >p  ) I'd hate to be tape op on that system :-)  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of' MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:57:54 +0000u- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?e) Message-ID: <3A0172E2.FFA6F2C7@bbc.co.uk>    Alan Greig wrote:f   >D >i= > For a fast backup to TK89 (change verify below if required)o >o. > $ BK :== BACKUP/IMAGE/IGNORE=(INTER,LABEL) -& >   /BLOCK=65535/LAB=BACKUP/noVERIFY - >   /media=compaction -E  B Yes, I use 64kbyte blocks too, but beware, you must mount the tapeF FOREIGN to read sucessfully, and you will not be able to copy savesetsH made with a blocksize greater than a certain limit (32kbytes?) from tape: to disk without unpacking the saveset from the tape drive.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofL MedAS or the BBC.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:02:41 +0000J- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?w) Message-ID: <3A017401.8238F9AB@bbc.co.uk>    "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:t  D >          What basic Mount/Backup commands with qualifiers for highE > performance do others use for DLT tape drives off AlphaServer 1200,y > doingt > full /Image backups? >>  K  It's not a tape optimization, but if you do a  record pass you may want toiB set the ACP_DATACHECK system parameter to zero (default 2) for theG duration of the backup. With the default value, when backup updates the'G file header with the latest backup date, VMS then reads the file header , into cache, which is pointless in this case.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:05:00 GMTg$ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark)+ Subject: Is "errno" thread safe in OpenVMS?t. Message-ID: <3a014a03.7286577@news.force9.net>   Hi,p  B We are porting a large application from UNIX to VMS.  The existing? code makes heavy use of the "errno" variable.  Is this variablee) thread safe when used with POSIX threads?f   TIA 
 Mark Williamse   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:45:20 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>/ Subject: Re: Is "errno" thread safe in OpenVMS?u, Message-ID: <8trk5a$1bnm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  Z "Mark" <mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk> wrote in message news:3a014a03.7286577@news.force9.net...  D > We are porting a large application from UNIX to VMS.  The existingA > code makes heavy use of the "errno" variable.  Is this variableo+ > thread safe when used with POSIX threads?e  L To be pedantic, it's not a variable at all: it's a macro defining a functionB returning a thread local status. So yes, it should be thread safe.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:29:20 +0000i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Java on Openvms) Message-ID: <3A018850.E4EF2B2@uk.sun.com>e   "Main, Kerry" wrote: > 	 > Andrew,  > - > Perhaps you could explain something for me.e > I > >>>1.   There are a number of different versions of Java 1.2.x 1.3 etc.u > FACT.b > I > So, are you saying that each new release of Java means a new Java Brandr > standard is required?  > E Yes in the same way that most new standards which are developments ofs older  standards. 1.1.X, 1.2.2, 1.3.   M > I had thought that the reason for Java was cross platform compatibility, so L > if a company with mixed platforms (Windows NT, UNIX, VMS etc) is currentlyN > planning an application to be Java 1.2.x compliant, does this mean they will' > not be able to become Java compliant?- > @ I know this may be kind of tricky to grasp (Yes I turned extreme
 condescentionoG mode on specially for you) but my statement does not say anything aboute Java not being cross platform.  G If you have 5 different platforms running 1.2.2 then a Java app runningE onE one should run on all 5 platforms, all you have to do is ensure that i all the platforms have 1.2.2.   E If you have one platform which can run 1.1.X, 1.2.X and 1.3 (Solaris,i AIX,D Linux, Win32, HP-UX, Tru64) then you should be able to run any Java G application but you may need to use one JVM for one app and another forpD a second because not all apps are upwardly or downwardly compatible.  I For example between 1.1.X and 1.2 RMI and SWING (downloadable for 1.1.X) hH changed so if you have a 1.1.X app that used RMI/SWING it probably wouldE not work. But most apps that don't use these worked fine. I have usedm thenF same release of Netscape Visual JavaScript written for 1.1.3 on 1.1.X H 1.2.2 and 1.3. The only difference being that it has got faster because  the JVM's are much quicker.d    N > Because one of their platforms has a new release of a new version, does thisC > mean this application group should now pull all of their code for"G > re-testing? What about in 6 months when another release is available?e > E No if the app works with 1.2.2 then why bother except if you need theeF capabilities of the newer JVM or if you are interested in performance.  E 1.3 for example is significantly quicker than 1.2.2 running the same R apps on the same platform.    M > Since most application vendors and groups want to maximize the reachabilitymK > of their application, should they now only focus on those platforms whichaK > today have the latest code and forget those platforms that might not havex% > the latest version for 6-10 months?h >   H Most apps vendors in my experience choose the JVM release based on theirI requirements for the JVM. They generally assume that JVM's are available 4G for the majority of platforms they want to use and rely on the systems d vendor to be up-to-date.  C Your question implies that the ISV's somehow see it as their job tocE evaluate the availability of the JVM they choose, they don't they seeoB it as the systems vendors job to have the JVM available. And it isD a level playing field, Sun does not stagger the releases of the JVM F code so that some vendors get it earlier than others. The availabilityC or otherwise on any platfrom is reflected by the resources that the B vendor applies to the job of porting and testing the release. The A only exception to this is the Win32 version which is produced by  , Sun because of obvious difficulties with MS.  @ From a Java ISV's standpoint you either have the latest version ? of the JVM or you don't, same sort of attitude as say a vendor  B producing Fortran code, you either have the right Fortran compiler and libraries or you don't.   A The latest JVMS are generally available on Solaris, AIX/other IBMeA O's, Win32 and Linux at around the same time followed relatively   closely by HP-UX.   @ This is the vast majority of available platforms for Java and soA very few ISV's will see anything wrong with using the latest JVM.t  ? I think you are looking at this from the wrong standpoint. Very A few ISV's will even consider OpenVMS as a platform for their app,l; if the application run's on OpenVMS it will be because the 5= application uses a JVM that is available for OpenVMS and not Y: because the ISV has specifically targetted OpenVMS. It is ; up to Compaq to keep the JVM's as up-to-date as possible toi- ensure that this "happy coincidence" happens.   C If the ISV's happen to be using a newer JVM than the one available o@ on OpenVMS and because of that their app does not run then that = os Compaqs fault for not having the latest JVM. This may seemp? harsh but either you want to be in the market and you back thisrE by investing to be there or you don't, if you don't then complaining -
 is pointless.-  M > Or perhaps they feel they should wait and let others experience the pain ofWN > .0 release versions and instead certify their applications on the .1 release > of the software. > " > I just want to be clear on this. > M > Is Sun promoting to Customers that they should only use platforms that havelL > the absolute latest versions of Java because there is some huge benefit toH > being leading edge (I was going to say bleeding edge, but will be nice > here)? > D No, customers draw their own conclusions but for example 1.3 is much fasterB than 1.2.2 on the same HW so not having it will put customers at a performance8 dissadvantage. o   regardsl Andrew Harrison( Enterprise IT ArchitectN   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:36:46 GMTi- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)m* Subject: Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS/ Message-ID: <3a0189db.1225291@swen.process.com>   0 On Tue, 31 Oct 2000 20:42:56 GMT, "Gord Coulman"% <nospam_gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca> wrote:L  J >Looks like a really interesting bit of code.  Are there plans to port the
 >server side?  > E I've looked into it, as have others, and it's not trivial.   However,i4 I do hope to investigate more in the near future....   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/e: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:07:47 GMT23 From: "Gord Coulman" <nospam_gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca>  Subject: Re: open an Imac?2 Message-ID: <7rfM5.6$24.767@news0.telusplanet.net>  J Of course someone else could remove your memory in less than 20 seconds...   Gord.-  ; Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote in messageg= news:paul.r.anderson-3B3BB3.16245526102000@news.compaq.com...p7 > In article <39F888A8.41855C71@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeio' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:i >rE > > The G4s on the other hand, are designed to be opened VERY easily,nH > > and I have to admit, it is one of the best designed "tower" cabinets > > I have seenu > E > Yes!  Not since the VAXstation 4000 have I been so impressed with arJ > cabinet design.  I recently added memory to my Power Mac G3 in less than > twenty seconds.p >o > Paul >e > --. >    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS). >    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:16:21 -0200o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brs Subject: Oracle RDB BugcheckL Message-ID: <OF9CB028FD.405B0A4D-ON8325698B.004DFA24@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  A Do you have any idea what is this ? One specific COBOL program isf
 generating a Oracle RDB Bugcheck.  8 ***** Exception at 010C1614 : COSI_MEM_GET_VM + 000004B4  0 I didnt find any information about this message.   Regards, FCl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:31:20 -02006) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt Subject: Oracle RDB BugcheckL Message-ID: <OFF8C14DDB.D0BCBFD3-ON8325698B.004FB6F2@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   Just to complement  N **** Queue Corrupted, LAST_VMH_ENT = 00CBD170, Queue ptrs = 074E6F50, 074E6F50   Regards, Fabio C.I  7 ---------------------- Encaminhado por Fabio dos SantosI3       Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada em 02/11/2000 12:32 D       ---------------------------De:     Fabio dos Santos Cardoso em       02/11/2000 12:16             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com:       Assunto: Oracle RDB Bugcheck  A Do you have any idea what is this ? One specific COBOL program ist
 generating a Oracle RDB Bugcheck.  8 ***** Exception at 010C1614 : COSI_MEM_GET_VM + 000004B4  0 I didnt find any information about this message.   Regards, FC2   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:35:31 -0200 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br0  Subject: Re: Oracle RDB BugcheckL Message-ID: <OF4EE6892D.BFD71652-ON8325698B.006078BF@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  = The development  team  discovered a wrong clause in the Cobol0D  program and re-compiled  it.   The program is working fine  now and the bugchecks are finished....   Regards, FC                 C norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> em 02/11/2000 15:25:50hL                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Fabio dos Santos                                    >           Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada@Contratada                >                                                               >  cc:                                                          >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: Oracle RDB Bugcheck                             >                                                                             4 your best bet will be to contact oracle rdb support.4 a whole lot more information will be needed in order0 to analyze this problem.  In particular, they'll3 need to know the exact version of rdb, the platforme0 (vax or alpha) and the first couple pages of the bugcheck dump file.t  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > C > Do you have any idea what is this ? One specific COBOL program is  > generating > a Oracle RDB Bugcheck. >e: > ***** Exception at 010C1614 : COSI_MEM_GET_VM + 000004B4 >e2 > I didnt find any information about this message. >-
 > Regards, FC-   --> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:20:50 -0200D) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brn  Subject: Oracle RDB Sql ServicesL Message-ID: <OFD17C2C3A.DDE40946-ON8325698B.005F2C29@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  = Why the users connected to the Oracle RDB SQL Services (ODBC)o are not  NETWORK users ???   Regardse   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:01:40 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e# Subject: Re: OS Update Ramificationn, Message-ID: <3A011145.10F8A9EE@videotron.ca>   cjdouglass@my-deja.com wrote:nG > I'm upgrading from VAX VMS 5.4-1 to eventually 7.1, unfortunately theoF > path dictates several interim version must be installed. Firstly 5.5 > then 6.2.   G As an aside, browse the DEC ftp archives and get the BACKUP patches for> Version 6 and version 7.M Ensure you install the pathched BACKUP for 6.x before proceeding any further.iK (otherwise the install may fail leaving a corrupt system disk partly at 7.x A and partly at 6.2 from which you can't apply an upgrade anymore).f   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 14:15:13 -0500k2 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)# Subject: Re: OS Update Ramificationt+ Message-ID: <r$vzV8PRQskx@eisner.decus.org>/  ) In article <8tpk0u$790$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,t cjdouglass@my-deja.com writes:5 > I'm upgrading from VAX VMS 5.4-1 to eventually 7.1,m  = As long as you are doing such a major upgrade, why not go allo the way to 7.2?n  > > unfortunately the path dictates several interim version must; > be installed. Firstly 5.5 then 6.2. No problems with this > > course, however (currently) 5.5 is requesting the OS updates> > to finalize upgrade. I question the ramification of skipping9 > the updates, proceeding on to the next interim version?r  ? You should of course have a good backup before you do anything.o  9 I recommend in either case to plan carefully and to allowu5 time to restore back in case you encounter a problem.:  : You should make sure that running AUTOGEN with and without: feedback generates the correct parameters for your system.  : You should then make sure that you have a good backup that  includes these AUTOGEN settings.  < If you have your current configuration fully documented, and6 have scripts to recreate the network, users, and other configurations, it can be done.d  : I consider it a good rule to always have a procedure to be< able to rebuild a system from distribution media, and from a3 known good archive of specific configuration files.C  < At a minimum, make sure that you have command files that can; rebuild your batch and print queues, and any printer forms.i    7 Much depends on how much disk space you have available.3; Having a duplicate copy of your system disk on a spare disk 7 makes the procedure much easier, and makes falling backr in case of a problem faster.  < The SYSUAF.DAT and RIGHTSLIST.DAT, can be moved from the old to the new with no problems.  8 You will need to stop the security server, copy over the: NETPROXY.DAT and then run the conversion utility to create9 NET$PROXY.DAT that is documented in the upgrade procedurec  A Alternatively you can just use command procedures to reload them.e  ? I use command procedures when adding a new system to create ther< accounts and other stuff.  The users have a program that can/ replicate passwords from one system to another.l  9 The old MODPARAMS.DAT needs to be merged with the new onee6 generated by the upgrade and AUTOGEN run until you are satisfied with the results.-  ? Then of course any startup command files merged in with the newm
 templates.  ? The pitfalls are if there are any customizations to your systemD: disk that are required by any applications you are running/ that are not known, you may have some problems.   ; That is why I prefer not to put third party programs in thea< SYS$SYSROOT: tree, but in their own directories with logical names to reference them.  > > The update are not readily available. Being new,I would likeA > not to start off with a disadvantage by virtue of a corrupt OS.u  A If you follow the upgrade instructions, especially the part about'B making sure that that the SYS$SPECIFIC:[*] directories do not haveA patched images in them, you should not have a corrupt OS from thew upgrade.  < While an upgrade preserves all the unused junk that may haveA accumulated over time, it also keeps the stuff that is vital thatwB someone that admits they are new to the system may not know about.  C (If you do the rebuild instead of an upgrade, you will know exactly-=  is on your system, and I recommend in either case to have anA  as-built document)   A Have you checked the cost of a new ALPHA VMS system with a (IIRC)2A three year warranty against the hardware maintenance cost of yournE current VAX for the next three years?  It could be a lower cost routea= for higher performance, especially if you can get a trade in.r  ? It also allows you to run your old system in parallel with your " new one, to make sure all is well.   -JohnR wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:30:36 +0010D% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auM# Subject: Re: OS Update Ramificationi5 Message-ID: <01JW2QY2WZ5U00628T@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   F >I'm upgrading from VAX VMS 5.4-1 to eventually 7.1, unfortunately theE >path dictates several interim version must be installed. Firstly 5.5s  	 [snipped]   P Since you're going this far, why not to VMS 7.2 or 7.2-1?  I have stopped short N of the latter, there seem to be a few problems in threads here, and I'm happy 3 with the 7.2 version.  Anyone's mileage might vary.0   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,m
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia5   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,o; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:46:46 +0100/ From: "GianniDajevic" <giovanni.dajevic@its.it>d! Subject: Pathwork 5.0 and clipper + Message-ID: <8tr9js$t16$1@nntp.weblinea.it>h  K We are running pathwork server 5.0F on a cluster of two Vax 4000-705A and am Vax 4000-105A, using Vms 6.2.o  J A group of clients ( win 95 ) share a resource using the cluster alias. OnE this file service they run a clipper executable, who manage a 13K db.lK Sometimes, the application hangs during the startup ( the initial form will I not display completely ). To solve this situation, it's necessary to stopyG anf restart Pathwork Server. Reboot of Pc doesn't solve this situation.lL Clipper application is a old program, the only change on this environment is the growth of db.v  = Any suggestion how to investigate or any experience to share?u   Thanks   Gianni Dajevic" I.T.S. Srl - Midrange Technologies VMS System TechnologiesU Via Issiglio 63/As 10141 Torino0 Tel. +39-011-6852840/3199   Fax: +39-011-6853583< mailto:giovanni.dajevic@its.it             http://www.its.it   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:19:00 -0800 (PST) / From: Pallavi Dongre <pallavi_dongre@yahoo.com>n' Subject: porting from open vms to winntR? Message-ID: <20001102151900.25701.qmail@web5104.mail.yahoo.com>e  , i need to port a tool from open vms to winnt how do i do it ? kindly help asap...t   the tool includes files like fab.hT rab.h  nam.hn abdef.ht libdef.h ssdef.he rmsdef.h   xaballdef.h  xabdatdef.hd xabfhcdef.hs xabkeydef.hr xabsumdef.hs xabprodef.he    2 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!?B From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/b   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:41:21 -0500 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>r+ Subject: RE: porting from open vms to winnt D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD89B@berry.mvpsi.com>  K Windows NT does not have RMS.  Why do you want to port to NT?  Either stickt6 with VMS or rewrite the tool to use MSDS (SQL Server).   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Pallavi Dongre [mailto:pallavi_dongre@YAHOO.COM], > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:19 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms) > Subject: porting from open vms to winnte >  > . > i need to port a tool from open vms to winnt > how do i do it ? > kindly help asap...a >  > the tool includes files like > fab.h  > rab.h  > nam.hd	 > abdef.he
 > libdef.h	 > ssdef.he
 > rmsdef.h > 
 > xaballdef.hm
 > xabdatdef.hI
 > xabfhcdef.he
 > xabkeydef.hb
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 > xabprodef.h  >  > 4 > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!?D > From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/V >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:15:57 +0010r% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aueA Subject: Re: Questions about SHOW MEM/SLOTS and swapped processesi5 Message-ID: <01JW2QFWQ5B600628T@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>3   Alan Feldman wrote (in part):   G >I thought the NULL process was gone as of V5. It doesn't get listed int
 >SHOW SYSTEM.e    Q If the null process equates to idle time, it is available under $ monitor modes,  1 still at V7.2 (Alpha).  Also available from AMDS.o   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiaa   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,t; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.k   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:42:38 -0500# From: "Ram Rajadhyaksha" <dev@null>l' Subject: Random User Security Questionsw Message-ID: <3a0172f9$1@news>o  G 1. Does the file system store the UIC names (as well as the numbers) inpJ association with files? If I list a directory, it will show something like this:a   myfile.dat [MYGROUP,MYUSER]s  L even after I have deleted MYUSER from the SYSUAF.DAT file. This differs fromC regular unix where it would display the UID if no matching name was 0 available. (ie, it was deleted from /etc/passwd)  D Rebooting the box would not make a difference...the phantom user/UIC# association still exists somewhere.i  , 2. How do you assign names to group numbers?  I 3. I have multiple SYSUAF.DAT files, one in SYS$SYSTEM (which resolves toeI DKA300:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]) and one in DKA300:[SYS0.SYSEXE]. They are K both different sizes. Is there a reason for this or did the previous systemo( administrator just forget to delete one?   Regards,   -- Ram Rajadhyaksha DLZ Corporationt www.dlzcorp.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:01:05 -0500 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>+ Subject: Re: Random User Security Questionsr2 Message-ID: <740BOtGBD4HmHbwXWV9TdmOnz7f1@4ax.com>  C 1.  No.  Only the numbers are stored and translated when displayed. B      You can create a file with any owner (see CREATE /OWNER_UIC),>      then perform a DIRECTORY on that file to see the results.  + 2.  One of two ways, both within AUTHORIZE:u  A      1.  When a user is added to a new group, the account name isNE           assumed to be the name of the group, and a group identifier1F           is created, assuming that identifier does not already exist.  >      2.  ADD/ID/VALUE=UIC:[nnn,*] group-name, where nnn is theB           octal group number; remember that all UICs are displayed           in octal.   > 3.  A SYSUAF.DAT file was likely copied from another system toC      SYS$SYSTEM and landed in the specific directory for that node.wD      Unless this is a shared system disk and the system logical name@      SYSUAF is pointing to the one in SYS$COMMON, the one in useD      is in SYS$SPECIFIC.  How you want to resolve this is up to you.   David R. Beattyn  @ On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 09:42:38 -0500, "Ram Rajadhyaksha" <dev@null> wrote:  H >1. Does the file system store the UIC names (as well as the numbers) inK >association with files? If I list a directory, it will show something likes >this: >6 >myfile.dat [MYGROUP,MYUSER] > M >even after I have deleted MYUSER from the SYSUAF.DAT file. This differs fromdD >regular unix where it would display the UID if no matching name was1 >available. (ie, it was deleted from /etc/passwd)i >sE >Rebooting the box would not make a difference...the phantom user/UIC!$ >association still exists somewhere. >e- >2. How do you assign names to group numbers?c >lJ >3. I have multiple SYSUAF.DAT files, one in SYS$SYSTEM (which resolves toJ >DKA300:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE]) and one in DKA300:[SYS0.SYSEXE]. They areL >both different sizes. Is there a reason for this or did the previous system) >administrator just forget to delete one?_ >p	 >Regards,t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:17:43 -0700A( From: l_ricker@lto.locktrack.com (Lorin)' Subject: Random User Security Questions . Message-ID: <00110208174334@lto.locktrack.com>  M 1. The mapping between the numeric form of a UIC and its string-of-characters L equivalent (say, between [1,4] and [SYSTEM]) is stored in the RIGHTSLIST.DATJ file, not in SYSUAF.DAT.  Accordingly, when you REMOVEd the user's accountA using the AUTHORIZE utility, you should have done something like:s  )   UAF> REMOVE username /REMOVE_IDENTIFIER6  J (and /REMOVE_IDENT is the default, I think, for the REMOVE command, so you= might have done something like REMOVE /NOREMOVE_IDENTIFIER?).,  H Anyway, it's easy to fix/remove the UIC (which is just a special form of8 a Rights Identifier, anyway) after the fact, as follows:  J   UAF> SHOW /IDENT username    !this shows you the Rights Identifier whichF                                !*is* the UIC = username you've removedE   UAF> REMOVE /IDENT username  !...and this just erases that UIC fromm1                                !   RIGHTSLIST.DATx  I See HELP on these topics in the AUTHORIZATION utility, esp. the Examples.iG Be sure to SHOW before REMOVE-ing, just to prevent mistakes... this UIC K was *uniquely* assigned to just the one user account you've deleted, right?c  K 2.  "How to assign names to group numbers?"  This one's easy, tho' not easy2) to find in any VMS documentation or help:h  <   UAF> ADD /IDENTIFIER /VALUE=UIC:[group_number,*] GroupName  D where "group_number" is the group octal-number (e.g., "202"), "*" isH literally an asterisk ("splat"), and "GroupName" is whatever name-stringH you want to see as the group's name.  This ends up assigning the "magic"+ user-UIC number "177777" to this GroupName.   I For example, "ADD /IDENT /VALUE=UIC:[1,*] SysGroup" would make [1,4] show D up, say, in a DIR/OWNER display, or in AUTHORIZE's own SHOW usernameE display, as "[SYSGROUP,SYSTEM]" (just an example--- I don't recommend - actually doing this for the [1,*] UIC-group).      UAF> SHOW /ID SysGroup=   Name                             Value           Attributes 2   SYSGROUP                         [000001,177777]   UAF> SHOW /ID System=   Name                             Value           Attributes 2   SYSTEM                           [000001,100004]   UAF> SHOW SYSTEM  C   Username: SYSTEM                           Owner:  SYSTEM MANAGER N   Account:  SYSTEM                           UIC:    [1,4] ([SYSGROUP,SYSTEM])   ...   I Unfortunately, AUTHORIZE's HELP is unhelpful for this particular example, % so don't feel bad for not finding it.   I We use this approach consistently in my shop, esp. for customer accounts. H The following DCL fragment makes it easy to figure out who/how a user isK at login time, so we can "vector" them into right/different services, etc.:   $ $ ! *** Just who are you, really?...E $ Usr = F$GETJPI("","UIC") - "[" - "]"    ! e.g., "BENTON_OR,J_SMITH"f) $ IF F$LOCATE(",",Usr) .NE. F$LENGTH(Usr)e= $ THEN Grp = F$ELEMENT(0,",",Usr)         !       "BENTON_OR"hE $      Usr = F$ELEMENT(1,",",Usr)         !                 "J_SMITH"g $ ELSE Grp = ""B $ ENDIF   F Now, "Grp" is the group-name for this user's account.  Furthermore, byH judicious use of Rights-Identifier assignments (GRANT /ID in AUTHORIZE),F we can further refine the user's services and access with things like:  4 $ RID        = "," + F$GETJPI("","RIGHTSLIST") + "," $ RIDL       = F$LENGTH(RID)$ $ Guest      = ( Grp .EQS. "GUEST" ); $ Trainee    = ( F$LOCATE(",DB_TRAINEE,",RID)   .LT. RIDL )8; $ Tester     = ( F$LOCATE(",LT_TESTER,",RID)    .LT. RIDL ) = $ Developer  = ( F$LOCATE(",E$R_EMPLOYEE,",RID) .LT. RIDL ) -?@                .OR. ( F$LOCATE(",DB_DEVELOPER,",RID) .LT. RIDL )F $ Production = .NOT. ( Developer .OR. Trainee .OR. Tester .OR. Guest )  G The extra commas help guard against partial/substring (mis)matches, andEG we can "point" our user at a specific application and/or database usingX5 this kind of logic... For whatever it's worth to you.h   -- Lorin   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:58:54 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>B( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion., Message-ID: <3A01109E.67E19715@videotron.ca>   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > What's so bad aboute >  >   $ RECALL/ALL >     1 show device ds >     2 show memory  >     3 show timew7 >   $ RECALL 3  ! results in 'show time' being recalled-    X VMS now RECALLs 254 entries. That listing gets mighty long compared to your 3 entries...   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Nov 2000 11:00:21 -0500V9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)1( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.+ Message-ID: <$FwrxquH7AZ1@eisner.decus.org>n  \ In article <39FFCD4F.AD41DE50@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:, > Is there a way to RECALL with a wildcard ? > : > If no, I would suggest the following improvement to VMS: >  > RECALL/all command > J > It would display all commands that begin with "command" that were issuedM > recently. (Currently, without /ALL, you can only retreive the most recentlye* > entered command that matches "command".) > O > For instance, if I have 5 or 6 TYPE commands with long/complex file names, itrM > would be nice to be able to recall all of them and then recall the specific 
 > one I want.   F $ RECALL/OUTPUT=TEMPORARY_FILE_CREATED_JUST.TO_LOOK_AT_RECENT_COMMANDSC $ SEARCH TEMPORARY_FILE_CREATED_JUST.TO_LOOK_AT_RECENT_COMMANDS FOOv  + This also works with a shorter filename :-)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:47:25 +0010e% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au,( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.5 Message-ID: <01JW2RIXH0V6004XFG@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>u   J-F mezei wrote:   >Martin Vorlaender wrote:i >> What's so bad about >> o >>   $ RECALL/ALLf >>     1 show device d >>     2 show memory >>     3 show time8 >>   $ RECALL 3  ! results in 'show time' being recalled >a >aO >VMS now RECALLs 254 entries. That listing gets mighty long compared to your 3   >entries...i    N Well, not quite.  It can recall **up to** 254 entries.  There is also a total / buffer size limitation, which I can't remember..  Q One of my sessions is used regularly for recalling quite long regular commands.  pL The number I have in the recall buffer is 136, and it stays about that long.  C To revert to an earlier comment, yes I would support a request for iN recall/input=xxx in my login command file.  Anytime I log in that is my first  command.  P I have vague memories of a thread many years ago when this was not done because O it was a potential security loophole.  I think Hoff wrote the particular post, oO but now that I use this feature regularly cannot recall the reason that it was  O considered a potential loophole.  If I take off group/world protection from my iQ recall.lis, it can only be accessed from someone who can log in as me (or system m -- and what can't system do?).   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australian   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,r; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:24:23 GMTr From: richard_maher@my-deja.comr( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.) Message-ID: <8trmdj$t8p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>[   Hi,c  F I hardly know PIPE at all and have been following recent examples withC great interest, but in your example is it a case of the sub-processu. having it's own "empty" command recall buffer?  F Sorry, I don't have the faintest idea of when a sub-proc is created or0 what || vs && does. Is it in the DCL dictionary?   Regards Richard Maher.  ) In article <3A003F71.71BDE205@bbc.co.uk>,m    tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk wrote: >a >a > John Vottero wrote:  > D > > I agree.  I would also like to have a /WILDCARD qualifier so you
 could say: > > % > > $ RECALL/ALL/WILDCARD *MYPROGRAM*f > >n > > and match: > >  > > $ EDIT MYPROGRAM.C > > $ CC MYPROGRAM > > $ LINK MYPROGRAM >m > I was going to suggest >e- > $ pipe recall/all | sear sys$pipe myprogramr >dF > which intuitively "feels" like the right way of doing it (and one of
 DCL's plus > points5 > is its consistency) but that fails on my 7.1 boxes:o >0* > $ PIPE RECA/ALL | SEAR SYS$INPUT MONITOR; > %SEARCH-I-NULLFILE, file SYS$INPUT:.; contains no records-) > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matchedu > C > I understand some of pipe's idiosyncrasies, but not this one :-(.t > G > If you add a temporary file you can still do it on one line with pipe  >iG >  $ pipe reca/out=tmp.lis && sear tmp.lis monitor && del/log tmp.lis;*v >t? > Note however, you will not be able to RECALL this command :-)h >  --e8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk  > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofm > MedAS or the BBC.z >. >.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:48:58 GMTe/ From: "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam> ( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.- Message-ID: <u9fM5.1284$Nw6.3969@news.iol.ie>   ; OK, while we're making suggestions for RECALL, here's mine.n  H Following a RECALL DIR command, I should be able to enter SHIFT/up-arrow< repeatedly and scroll through all the previous DIR commands.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:24:42 GMTs* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.) Message-ID: <8ts0vf$6c7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  - In article <u9fM5.1284$Nw6.3969@news.iol.ie>,e2   "Tom Wade" <t.wade@vms.eurokom.ie.nospam> wrote:= > OK, while we're making suggestions for RECALL, here's mine.  >pE > Following a RECALL DIR command, I should be able to enter SHIFT/up-s arrowr> > repeatedly and scroll through all the previous DIR commands. >   D I suggest RECALL/OUTPUT/PREPEND_DOLLAR_SIGNS or RECALL/OUTPUT/DOLLARC which would prepend "$ " to each line in the output file. One could+= even add /BLANKS=n to put n spaces between $ and the command.e   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)- dellnet.com-    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:33:31 GMTt% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)5! Subject: Re: Software source book 2 Message-ID: <3a013fc1.2057038665@news.newsguy.com>  @ On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 11:29:57 -0600, "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net> wrote:  G >Many, many moons ago, DEC published something called the "VAX SoftwaredL >Source Book" wherein one could look for applications. I haven't seen one of >these in quite some time.  D There used to be a non DEC publication that had a much more completeC list edited by Arrick Wilkinson. DEC sued them for millions forcing-= them to close down. The lunacies in DEC's past were infinite.r  M >I have a customer in need of the usual business apps, A/P, A/R, GL, Payroll, J >Inventory, etc. I've talked to the fine people at Ross, but they admittedI >that their package is targetted at a larger business than my customer's.i  7 CA-MANMAN has all of the above modules but again may be-B overkill/overexpensed for your customer and is mainly targetted at manufacturing companies.  U http://www.interbiz.ca.com/Solutions/supply_chain/Manufacturing/MANMAN/MANMAN_DEC.htm      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:02:49 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>e! Subject: Re: Software source book ( Message-ID: <3A019029.2389A1FF@mmaz.com>  9 > CA-MANMAN has all of the above modules but again may be.D > overkill/overexpensed for your customer and is mainly targetted at > manufacturing companies. >_W > http://www.interbiz.ca.com/Solutions/supply_chain/Manufacturing/MANMAN/MANMAN_DEC.htmr  X Overkill in Price is right...  We've been running MANMAN since 1991 when it was owned byQ ASK, but have not had it maintained because of CA & Oracle's draconian pricing...:Y Fortunately, we have the sources.  I'm a very strong believer in having access to systemsa source code...   Barryn   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOV  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:13:17 +0000.0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugherv* Message-ID: <3A015A5D.ED5B703D@uk.sun.com>   Robert Deininger wrote:i > h > In article <OmmmvxNi3fak@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote: >  > >  > > >> This is essential forE > > >> accountability.  Otherwise you can't really tell who did what.e > > > P > > > Ummm.  I don't follow you.  Unless you only allow 1 user at a time, how doP > > > enforced logouts improve accountability?  Is this kind of like the network/ > > > security goons who just unplug the wires?s > > G > > VMS has lots of auditing capability, but it is all tied back to who K > > logged in.  If an Rdb record gets modified, or a VMS file gets deleted,RM > > you can have a guaranteed record of who did it _PROVIDED_PEOPLE_LOG_OUT_.  > N > Of course I lock the screen when I go home.  If someone gets my password, heJ > can unlock the screen and pretend to be me.  But he could just as easilyE > log in a fresh session and pretend to be me, if he has my password.s > L > I wonder how many of the folks Kerry would force to log out each day, haveI > written their passwords in an obvious place on/in their desks.  ForcingMJ > people to log out doesn't even scratch the surface of real security.  (I+ > realize I'm preaching to the choir here.)o > = I can only think that Kerry was confused and didn't actually  < mean to suggest that logging people out every night improves	 security.-  ? Logging people out every night and then changing their passworda@ of course would improve system security but it might not be that= popular with the users or the admins every morning when they @ tried to log in.    @ You can also log people out and then disable their account untilD office hours the next day. A security package called BOKS supported @ this functionality but even this can be very unpopular with both users and admins.i  = We use a combination of smart cards and userID/password this  < defeats the person who finds out what my password is because they also need the card.   Regards  Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:18:20 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughern* Message-ID: <3A015B8C.7E954740@uk.sun.com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > f > Robert Deininger wrote: Of course I lock the screen when I go home.  If someone gets my password, he > L > > can unlock the screen and pretend to be me.  But he could just as easilyG > > log in a fresh session and pretend to be me, if he has my password.  > >iN > > I wonder how many of the folks Kerry would force to log out each day, haveK > > written their passwords in an obvious place on/in their desks.  Forcing(L > > people to log out doesn't even scratch the surface of real security.  (I- > > realize I'm preaching to the choir here.). > >M > S > Come on, Robert, Kerry is not talking about every day, but for scheduled outages,e3 > in a well defined buisiness critical environment.D > M > For power users like yourself he'd prewarn you of the downtime schedule andRW > ask you at some convenient time to log out of the node you are using and into anothere > one.  B Of course this is how you should do it, but sadly Kerrys marketing@ homilly talked about the fact that people expect systems to run ? with very low amounts of "scheduled" downtime. You are talking SA about using a process that Kerry somehow thinks OpenVMS magicallyr> does not need to invoke, namely scheduling outages. Of course @ the let out for Kerry is that with 2 nodes or more in a cluster > you only need to schedule downtime for the users or processes A attached to one of the nodes but given Curtis's example of having1@ to kick 1500 users off a node this won't cut much ice with many  IT professionals.d     Regardsf Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architect]   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:27:28 GMT  From: richard_maher@my-deja.com # Subject: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Noset) Message-ID: <8ts14l$6f4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s   Dateline: London April 1, 2001  A Sun CEO Scott McNealy was today photographed congradulating localED trouble-shooter Andrew Harrison on the steps of the High Court afterC the Judges unanimously upheld a previous anti-trust verdict againstu= Compaq computers. Asked how he felt about the verdict McNealycE said "It's a triumph for free trade! I just hope that Compaq realizesgD that the days of the Banana Republic are over. But the credit reallyF should go to Andrew. If it wasn't for Andrew alerting our legal peopleG to Compaq's anti-competitive practises then they might just have gottenx away with it."  ? Eager to escape the limelight, Harrison offered only a curt "NosC comment". But when pressed added "Look, it's this simple. If Sun is ? bidding/tendering for a contract to supply Unix Server(s) to aneD existing VMS site and the requirements specification stipulates that@ RTR (or similar 2PC mechanism Unix/Oracle8i <-> VMS Rdb) must beG supplied as part of the package, then compared to Compaq Tru64, the SungE Solaris package is immediately behind the 8 Ball to the tune of $50k! C That is, RTR on Tru64 is free/subsidised but on a large Solaris boxaG it's $50k plus whatever support costs. Does this sound legal, let alondUC right, to you? End of Story!" He went on "It's the poor VMS licenseA9 payer that's stuck subsidising RTR who I feel sorry for!"   E Although costs were immediately awarded against Compaq, Their HonoursY= reserved their decision on punitive damages until it could beyE established whether the questionable legality of the 7.3 RTR bundlinga* was public knowledge as early as Q4, 2000.  G No one from Compaq was available for comment but sources claim that theSE embarassing climb down has resulted in a 3 month delay to the OpenVMSiB 7.3 release and the much vaunted Galaxy software. An appeal to TheB Lords is not expected as it is believed that the 7.3 CDs are being4 reburnt and the release notes rewritten as we speak.   By Richard Maher   It couldn't happen. Could it?n    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:10:09 -0200c) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brc' Subject: Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's NosesL Message-ID: <OF4BF37E05.A6348C18-ON8325698B.0058611F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  3 Well people... what can I say about  Sun x Compaq ?t  H I am OpenVMS addicted but the company I am working for  will convert the largestRD database of the company from the OpenVMS servers (about 23) to a few. Enterprise 10000 running SAP, in January/2002.  I So ? Will be 450.000 - 23 Compaq Customers or 10.000.000 - 30.000 users ?L   What do you think ?    Regards,   FC.                     0 richard_maher@my-deja.com em 02/11/2000 13:27:28L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose                          >                                                                              Dateline: London April 1, 2001  A Sun CEO Scott McNealy was today photographed congradulating localuD trouble-shooter Andrew Harrison on the steps of the High Court afterC the Judges unanimously upheld a previous anti-trust verdict againstr= Compaq computers. Asked how he felt about the verdict McNealygE said "It's a triumph for free trade! I just hope that Compaq realizes-D that the days of the Banana Republic are over. But the credit reallyF should go to Andrew. If it wasn't for Andrew alerting our legal peopleG to Compaq's anti-competitive practises then they might just have gotten5 away with it."  ? Eager to escape the limelight, Harrison offered only a curt "NotC comment". But when pressed added "Look, it's this simple. If Sun isg? bidding/tendering for a contract to supply Unix Server(s) to ansD existing VMS site and the requirements specification stipulates that@ RTR (or similar 2PC mechanism Unix/Oracle8i <-> VMS Rdb) must beG supplied as part of the package, then compared to Compaq Tru64, the SunIE Solaris package is immediately behind the 8 Ball to the tune of $50k!eC That is, RTR on Tru64 is free/subsidised but on a large Solaris box G it's $50k plus whatever support costs. Does this sound legal, let alondRC right, to you? End of Story!" He went on "It's the poor VMS licenseT9 payer that's stuck subsidising RTR who I feel sorry for!"-  E Although costs were immediately awarded against Compaq, Their Honours0= reserved their decision on punitive damages until it could beLE established whether the questionable legality of the 7.3 RTR bundlingo* was public knowledge as early as Q4, 2000.  G No one from Compaq was available for comment but sources claim that theoE embarassing climb down has resulted in a 3 month delay to the OpenVMS!B 7.3 release and the much vaunted Galaxy software. An appeal to TheB Lords is not expected as it is believed that the 7.3 CDs are being4 reburnt and the release notes rewritten as we speak.   By Richard Maher   It couldn't happen. Could it?i    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:19:27 -0200 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brb' Subject: Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose L Message-ID: <OF54328D8D.D38182E4-ON8325698B.00599455@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   PS:l  F I believe Compaq should / must review these numbers - seriously . .  .   Regards    FC  7 ---------------------- Encaminhado por Fabio dos Santosl3       Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada em 02/11/2000 14:19rD       ---------------------------De:     Fabio dos Santos Cardoso em       02/11/2000 14:10             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComI      J Assunto:  Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose  (Document link: Fabio dos Santos       Cardoso)  3 Well people... what can I say about  Sun x Compaq ?d  H I am OpenVMS addicted but the company I am working for  will convert the largestBD database of the company from the OpenVMS servers (about 23) to a few. Enterprise 10000 running SAP, in January/2002.  I So ? Will be 450.000 - 23 Compaq Customers or 10.000.000 - 30.000 users ?    What do you think ?    Regards,   FC.z                  0 richard_maher@my-deja.com em 02/11/2000 13:27:28L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose                          >                                                                              Dateline: London April 1, 2001  A Sun CEO Scott McNealy was today photographed congradulating local D trouble-shooter Andrew Harrison on the steps of the High Court afterC the Judges unanimously upheld a previous anti-trust verdict againstd= Compaq computers. Asked how he felt about the verdict McNealyaE said "It's a triumph for free trade! I just hope that Compaq realizesaD that the days of the Banana Republic are over. But the credit reallyF should go to Andrew. If it wasn't for Andrew alerting our legal peopleG to Compaq's anti-competitive practises then they might just have gotten- away with it."  ? Eager to escape the limelight, Harrison offered only a curt "NohC comment". But when pressed added "Look, it's this simple. If Sun isi? bidding/tendering for a contract to supply Unix Server(s) to anyD existing VMS site and the requirements specification stipulates that@ RTR (or similar 2PC mechanism Unix/Oracle8i <-> VMS Rdb) must beG supplied as part of the package, then compared to Compaq Tru64, the Sun E Solaris package is immediately behind the 8 Ball to the tune of $50k!nC That is, RTR on Tru64 is free/subsidised but on a large Solaris boxhG it's $50k plus whatever support costs. Does this sound legal, let alondAC right, to you? End of Story!" He went on "It's the poor VMS licensea9 payer that's stuck subsidising RTR who I feel sorry for!"-  E Although costs were immediately awarded against Compaq, Their Honoursn= reserved their decision on punitive damages until it could besE established whether the questionable legality of the 7.3 RTR bundling9* was public knowledge as early as Q4, 2000.  G No one from Compaq was available for comment but sources claim that theoE embarassing climb down has resulted in a 3 month delay to the OpenVMShB 7.3 release and the much vaunted Galaxy software. An appeal to TheB Lords is not expected as it is believed that the 7.3 CDs are being4 reburnt and the release notes rewritten as we speak.   By Richard Maher   It couldn't happen. Could it?     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:41:57 -0200o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bro& Subject: Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOGL Message-ID: <OF0A7E0BFE.A1726404-ON8325698B.005BA454@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J Is needed to shutdown / startup the TCPIP to these logical names work fine ????J Because I defined them  to KEEP only one version but I still purging files ...s   Regards.   FC.M                B "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> em 31/10/2000 09:24:40L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOG                       >                                                                              I use-  * $ DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$TELNETSYM_LOG_KEEP 3  I to make TELNETSYM purge log files and keep only 3 latest. I haven't tried G what happens if the logical is defined as zero. The log file generation < directory can be changed by defining TCPIP$TELNETSYM_SCRATCH device:[new_directory].r   Kari Keronen  4 fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in articleC <OF4ED54EDC.A600F0A8-ON83256989.00389B69@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>...C > K > Is there a way to disable the generation of the TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOG 5 > files in the SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD] directory ???d >.K > I have almost 1.000 (one thousand) queues an theses files are cumulative. ; > Today stopped a lot of queues and deleted 200.000 blocks.: >0J > And every day I must purge the TCPIP$TELNETSYM.DMP;   (almost 20 files).J > I would like to disable the generation if this file or redirect to other > disk.e, > I didnt discover a logical name, etc . . . >u
 > Regards, >o > FC >i >r >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 02:51:39 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: Time Zone, Message-ID: <3A010EEC.1AFED1A6@videotron.ca>   Question to Australians:  G Those of you who run DECNET PHASE 5 with that automatic time adjustmentrM without any user intervention, how did you guy handle NSW switching to summerdK time well before the usuall time in October ? And how did the system behave 4 when the time would have normally changed recently ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:26:24 +0010S% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aua Subject: Re: Time Zone5 Message-ID: <01JW2QSV4SKI00628T@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Alan Greig wrote:I  1 >On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 02:20:16 GMT, "Robert Meyer"o" ><meyerra@worldnet.att.net> wrote: >tN >>When the time changed this past weekend, the only server needing a set clockM >>was the Alpha server operating 7.2.  Is there a parameter in sysgen for the B >>Time Zone.  I would like to sleep in next time the time changes. > E >Look at sys$examples:daylight_savings.com or run NTP and have it setr/ >to automatically account for daylight savings.n  P Hmm, and all sorts of funny things could have happened in Sydney last weekend.  O That was the "official" clock change around Australia, but NSW changed time at  # end August because of the Olympics.t  K Did anyone in NSW have problems with automatic changes?  I preferred to be g manual.    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,h
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australian   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.D   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:03:37 +0800u- From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>w Subject: Re: Time Zone? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001102200337.007a52e0@mail.bigpond.com>o  * At 02:51 AM 11/2/00 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: >Question to Australians:  >jH >Those of you who run DECNET PHASE 5 with that automatic time adjustmentN >without any user intervention, how did you guy handle NSW switching to summerL >time well before the usuall time in October ? And how did the system behave5 >when the time would have normally changed recently ?  >i I don't use DTSS.e@ I use the SPRINGFOR and FALLBACK procedures from the DBS-DCL kit< (available at the address below) - didn't have any problems.     Regards, Dave.rI ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmKI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonl   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:29:41 GMTu% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)s Subject: Re: Time Zone2 Message-ID: <3a014cd2.2060383875@news.newsguy.com>  C On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:26:24 +0010, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aud wrote:    F >>Look at sys$examples:daylight_savings.com or run NTP and have it set0 >>to automatically account for daylight savings. >dQ >Hmm, and all sorts of funny things could have happened in Sydney last weekend.   P >That was the "official" clock change around Australia, but NSW changed time at $ >end August because of the Olympics. >oL >Did anyone in NSW have problems with automatic changes?  I preferred to be  >manual.  C Yes, I usually stick to manual changes myself. Funny timezone story5> time. In the UK BST stands for British Summer Time but TOPS-20@ interpreted it as Bering Straits Time. Causing some confusion in message time stamps...  B Second funny story. WIndows 95 came out just in time to get the UKE time change wrong. By default Windows changes the time but it got thesD UK date wrong by one week. It's got all the other changes since then correct. So far...  D In general more and more countries seem to be standardising daylight@ savings time changes on the same days but by no means all. UntilD recently the UK dates didn't even match the rest of Europe. The FallF dates pretty much seem to match all over now but the Spring US date isF out of synch with almost everywhere else. I think that's the right way round. --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 03:12:52 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files, Message-ID: <3A0113E4.9753CCB7@videotron.ca>   old_timer@user.vms wrote:"D > >See if there is a default transport defined (towards the bottom). >  > I don't see any.  ( Then you don't have any in your profile.  N Could you do a SHOW LOG MAIL* to see if there might not be any defined there ?  K I think your next step is to obtain some information on what the network iseM like between your node and the remote node. Is it pure decnet over the single F ethernet, is it bridged etherenet, routed ethernet, or does DECNET getK encapsulated by some device into TCPIP to travel to the remote side and gets# rebuilt there by a similar device ??  I Is it possible that a router that encapsulate DECNET into TCPIP would notbN detect transmission errors and thus, when the DECNET packets gets recreated atJ the destination router, an correct DECNERT packet with the right checksums( would be created with the corrupt data ?   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2000 08:04:13 GMTd3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)a0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files0 Message-ID: <8tr75t$mt5$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  C In article <8tpkoi0vov@drn.newsguy.com>, old_timer@user.vms writes:nI >Imagine a 38000block plain text file, all of whose lines contain simply eB >"This is a test".  Suppose the name of that text file is "X0.TXT" >aD >E-mail that to yourself and force routing through the offsite node: >w< >$ mail/noself X0.TXT offsitenode::mynode::myself /subj=test > M >When you get the message, extract it without headers to a file named X1.TXT:m >c >MAIL> ext/noh X1.TXTd >  >Now compare the two files:O >F >$ DIFF X0.TXT X1.TXT8 >0K >The "corruption" is that a small handful of random lines in X1.TXT will beC( >garbled.  The rest of the file is fine.  K What happens exactly when lines are "garbled"? Are the lines truncated? ArerO there additional characters in the file? Are characters missing? Are charactersa
 mixed? ...N The lines that are garbled, do they appear close to each other, do they appear at regular intervals?e  L >Now here's an interesting piece of evidence; and I think it's significant -Q >perhaps there are network-savvy people in this ng who could help me discern what N >it means.  If, instead of routing the test e-mail through an off-site node, IK >instead route it through a node within our site, then there no corruption:  > ; >$ mail/noself X0.TXT onsitenode::mynode::myself /subj=test  > N >My common sense tells me this is significant; but the help desk folks weren't >too interested in it.  O This indicates that the corruption occurs on the way to the offsite node or the  way back from there.  1 >>A DIR/FULL on the two files would help as well.b > P >The file attributes are not getting hit.  In the above example, both X0.TXT and$ >X1.TXT are standard RMS text files: >  >$ dir/full X0.TXT >  >Directory U1:[JOE]  > 5 >X0.TXT;1                      File ID:  (12345,12,1) . >Size:        38086/38088      Owner:    [JOE]" >Created:   1-NOV-2000 12:31:02.72& >Revised:   1-NOV-2000 12:33:10.20 (3) >Expires:   <None specified>  >Backup:    <No backup recorded> >File organization:  SequentialtI >File attributes:    Allocation: 38088, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0s% >                    No version limita0 >Record format:      Stream_LF, maximum 14 bytes5 >Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage controld >RMS attributes:     Nonet >Journaling enabled: Nones> >File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World: >Access Cntrl List:  None  >l% >Total of 1 file, 38086/38088 blocks.o >$  K STREAM_LF is not that standard. But it shouldn't matter. Do both files showy EXACTLY the same structure?y  I Do you know anything about the network setup at your and the remote side?t   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann"  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:43:36 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)e0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files2 Message-ID: <3a013489.2054166525@news.newsguy.com>  7 On 1 Nov 2000 09:43:46 -0800, old_timer@user.vms wrote:     L >Now here's an interesting piece of evidence; and I think it's significant -Q >perhaps there are network-savvy people in this ng who could help me discern whateN >it means.  If, instead of routing the test e-mail through an off-site node, IK >instead route it through a node within our site, then there no corruption:  > ; >$ mail/noself X0.TXT onsitenode::mynode::myself /subj=testn >pN >My common sense tells me this is significant; but the help desk folks weren't >too interested in it.  C As it is a help desk service try calling them up daily asking for a D status report. DO NOT under any circumstance allow them to close theF call. If you find that the call has been closed immediately demand theE call be re-opened and also log a problem report against the help deskoB system itself. These actions should trigger escalation of the call= automatically. If, at the end of the day, the customer is notlD satisfied with the response then it is not normally within the powerB of an outsourced help desk to close it. Log that previous sentenceF itself in a complaint against the help desk. Insist the call is logged# with the highest possible priority.   E From personal experience the above procedure usually will get resultsu@ where all else fails. You have to turn the system against itself sadly.      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:02:07 +0000 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files8 Message-ID: <gnb20tkv7tniqa7dmj3b5erahe4fic3c20@4ax.com>  7 On 1 Nov 2000 09:43:46 -0800, old_timer@user.vms wrote:o  L >Now here's an interesting piece of evidence; and I think it's significant -Q >perhaps there are network-savvy people in this ng who could help me discern what N >it means.  If, instead of routing the test e-mail through an off-site node, IK >instead route it through a node within our site, then there no corruption:  > ; >$ mail/noself X0.TXT onsitenode::mynode::myself /subj=test  > N >My common sense tells me this is significant; but the help desk folks weren't >too interested in it.  D This beggars belief, doesn't it ?  Your "help"-desk folks don't care> that a part of the network is not reliably carrying data(*) !!  D Perhaps if you could persuade a MGM to copy a vital spreadsheet withH say, the company's 5-year profits forecast included, around a bit and ifA that too gets interestingly modified, then progress may be made ?   D (*)  I think Decnet will detect framing errors and lost or truncatedD packets, but not internally corrupted packets (unless the corruptionF occurs in the headers).  All of these can be seen with the appropriateE Decnet control package, NCP or NCL, and I would recommend your system F mangler has a look there.  It sounds to me as if your off-site link is suspect.   	Johnw -- i
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:24:17 +0000-8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>0 Subject: RE: VAX Mail question - corrupted filesL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F77@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  K >I don't know how the files are being corrupted.  That's what I'm trying too find >out.t  J What I was seeking from you was an example file segment showing one of theJ file's original and corrupted segments. Just one or two records would have- been enough to help direct any investigation.e  K However, after seeing the details about sending a 38Kblock file I tried thetE same here using nodes over which I have full control. I sent the mailsL A->B->C where the distances A-B and B-C are 5000 miles and A and C are local to each other.  K I found that I couldn't, even after a few attempts, get the DECnet relayingo to complete i.e.    MAIL  from A to  B::C::user  D would hang at some random point. I tried the same with SMTP relayingH involving the same nodes and that worked without any problem first time.  I I've often transferred Gigabytes of data in one operation without trouble L using DECnet over the same links A-B amd B-C using both copy and BACKUP to aF remote saveset directly node to node and not via relaying. The problem# appears to be with the relay step.    L What happened with the DECnet mail relaying is that a lost packet caused theK DECnet transfer to hang. My guess is that the precise DECnet behaviour willwL vary with the DECnet version and so some versions may hang while others willJ hiccup and continue the transfer perhaps losing some data or even fail and: restart, which I'd guess is what's happening in your case.  E If you have software support I'd recommend that you report it. As theoJ problem is reproducible it should be straighforward to determine the cause and obtain a fix (?)..   I hope this helps.   John      B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)8   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:31:36 -0500C; From: "Everhart, Glenn (FUSA)" <GlennEverhart@FirstUSA.com> 0 Subject: RE: VAX Mail question - corrupted filesN Message-ID: <4B279CF3578CD211B945009027178017046D00E4@swilnts809.wil.fusa.com>    memory error in a router, folks.     -----Original Message-----; From: John Laird [mailto:john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk] ) Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 6:02 AM  To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files    7 On 1 Nov 2000 09:43:46 -0800, old_timer@user.vms wrote:   L >Now here's an interesting piece of evidence; and I think it's significant -L >perhaps there are network-savvy people in this ng who could help me discern whatL >it means.  If, instead of routing the test e-mail through an off-site node, I K >instead route it through a node within our site, then there no corruption:E >B; >$ mail/noself X0.TXT onsitenode::mynode::myself /subj=test  > F >My common sense tells me this is significant; but the help desk folks weren't  >too interested in it.  D This beggars belief, doesn't it ?  Your "help"-desk folks don't care> that a part of the network is not reliably carrying data(*) !!  D Perhaps if you could persuade a MGM to copy a vital spreadsheet withH say, the company's 5-year profits forecast included, around a bit and ifA that too gets interestingly modified, then progress may be made ?d  D (*)  I think Decnet will detect framing errors and lost or truncatedD packets, but not internally corrupted packets (unless the corruptionF occurs in the headers).  All of these can be seen with the appropriateE Decnet control package, NCP or NCL, and I would recommend your systemyF mangler has a look there.  It sounds to me as if your off-site link is suspect.   	JohnT -- L
 John Laird   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:36:21 +0100> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>E Subject: Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license? . Message-ID: <8tr5bv$g5j$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message ( news:8tpnu4$3n3$1@info.service.rug.nl...I > I have a VAXstation which I saved from being destroyed, and I'm testing F > it out.  I have the S3 switch up and a VT320 as the console.  At theH > moment, there is a relatively bare-bones VMS 7.1 on an 0.5 GB internalJ > disk.  Since I'm just testing it out now, I haven't loaded any licenses.G > I'm puzzled by the following behaviour.  First, when I switch off thehI > console terminal and switch it back on, I'm back at the >>> and have to  > tell it to boot.   please do >>> show HALT            >>> show BOOTe! to check if auto boot is enabled.-    5 >Second, doing the same while a program (such as SHOW2J > CLUSTER, MONITOR etc) shows the power-up sequence (memory test etc) when# > the terminal is switched back on.t >sH > First, is this behaviour expected?  Second, if so, can someone explain > it?y  * Power off is like a BREAK on the keyboard.D In that case >>> C  can direct processing to continue in most cases.   Cordialement Jean-Francois Marchali X9000 - LYON (FR)    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:02:09 +0000i4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>E Subject: Re: VAXstation, console terminal, reboot, power-up, license?o8 Message-ID: <tcf20tgpcsc1lljkiho132p321snf222ab@4ax.com>  5 On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 21:02:03 +0000, "antonio.carlini"t <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote:   >Phillip Helbig wrote:H >> I'm puzzled by the following behaviour.  First, when I switch off theJ >> console terminal and switch it back on, I'm back at the >>> and have toI >> tell it to boot.  Second, doing the same while a program (such as SHOWBK >> CLUSTER, MONITOR etc) shows the power-up sequence (memory test etc) when:$ >> the terminal is switched back on. >z9 >A BREAK is more or less exactly what happens on the linet4 >when you power-cycle a terminal. So your VAXstation6 >believes it has seen the result of you pressing BREAK >on the terminal.- >-6 >In alternate console mode, I don't believe that there8 >is any way of modifying this behaviour on a VAXstation.  ? For some values of "a VAxstation" ;-)  No, you can't modify the G behaviour, but some boxes are far less sensitive about whether they see D a BREAK or not.  (Perhaps the type of terminal affects this, I don't know.)  B Phillip - you may be lucky and find >>>CONT works.  You want to beE careful in a cluster, though.  Best to leave the terminal on - decente> ones will at least "screensave" to avoid burning the phosphor.   	Johni -- o
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:20:41 -0500l0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>2 Subject: VMS font configuration with Reflections-XD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001102102041.00a1a1e0@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi VMS Colleagues,  H We run (at least) one each of just about every X-capable OS known to manC here (Linux, Solaris, Tru64, HP-UX, OpenVMS), and I'm trying to gete< Reflections-X set up to work transparently with all of them.  H I have just gotten a brand new DS-10 with OpenVMS 7.2-1 and CDE (DWMOTIFK 1.2-5) installed. Logging into the console via CDE everything seems to workwJ correctly, however when I use Reflections-X to telnet in or to start a CDE5 login session, every time I start a Decterm I get...._  E cant find font -*-terminal-Bold-R-Normal-18-140-100-100-c-0-ISO8859-*y  K Sounds like either my Reflections-X or my VMS fonts or logicals pointing toS them are not set up properly.a  G I'd appreciate any tips on getting DW fonts properly configured for usee with Reflections-X.t   TIA!   Jimo8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.e8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235i Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com I        jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:31:56 -0000* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>" Subject: Re: VMS keyboard on T1510, Message-ID: <8trjc9$1fh6@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  b "Jay Olson" <jjo@triton.com.no.spam> wrote in message news:3A00D42B.4A5D061B@triton.com.no.spam...  J > Has anyone tried one of the Compaq T1510 "Thin clients"? This appears to+ > be an X terminal based on Linux in flash.0  N Grrh. I looked at the T1500 but I was told it didn't support X. When the T1510O came out I looked again but it's apparently not available in the UK. I can have   a nice T1010 though. Yeah right.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:27:46 +0000'8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>7 Subject: RE: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?eL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F76@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  5 > What do you think of the (ahem) shortcut solution? m  L The shortcut solution may (appear) to work and you may have a working volumeG set. My experience of this is that the volume set "doesn't work 100% asPH expected". One of the nice features of volume sets is that the files areK spread evenly over the n volumes. I've found in the past that when you take K shortcuts you may find that one (or more) volumes fill up before others areaI used. I've always had to reinitialise to get back to normal behaviour. IteC seems you could have resolved your problem by now by doing that ;-)-   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)k   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 08:28:57 +0100> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>3 Subject: Re: Windows NT to OpenVMS access questions.. Message-ID: <8tr4u4$fv0$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  & Do you have the appropriate licenses ?; Did you configure the Pathworks licensing agent on the pc ?W? Do you have warnings or error in the pc's pathworks event log ?e   Jean-Franois Marchalt X9000 - LYON (FR)N    0 "CasinoOp2" <casinoop2@aol.com> wrote in message4 news:20001101184030.27040.00000163@ng-cs1.aol.com...I > I am trying to get some Windows NT PCs to talk to an Alpha server. Fromh the PCF > I can login to VMS using Reflection and can send/receive files using
 ReflectionJ > FTP Neighborhood but I can't map a drive to the server. Also when the PC boots,K > I get a message saying it can't find the Pathworks licenses. When I clickr onG > Network Neighborhood, then Entire Network, then NetWare or Compatiblen Network,L > I get the message "Unable to browse  the network. The network path was notJ > found." I don't know what path is being talked about or how to even find out., > Can anyone shed some light on this for me? >w0 > Here is what I have (as best as I can recall): >i >o@ > o Alpha (DS-20) with OpenVMS v7.2-1, loaded/configured with...
 >   tcp/ip >   decnet plusf
 >   pathworksh >   decwindows	 >   motifo >t0 > o PC with Windows NT 4.0 (sp4), loaded with... >   reflection x >   pathworks 32 >e3 > o PCs and Alpha plug into a 12 port 10-base-t hub  >  >eK > I have down loaded the Pathworks, Decnet, and tcp/ip document stuff and I  thinkxK > (?) I have them configured correctly. But I am clearly missing something.  AnyT > help would be appreciated! >X >   Clark Calkins  >   Schafer Corp >   ccalkins@schafercorp.com >8   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.613 ************************