1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 03 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 615       Contents:F Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent Re: %RMS-F-BUG on OpenVMS 5.5-2  %RMS-F-BUG on OpenVMS 5.5-2 > ??== Password protect access on VT500 and VT400 screen savers. Re: Alpha equivalent Re: Alpha equivalent Re: Alpha equivalent Re: Alpha equivalent. Announce: mod_python plug in for CSWS (apache) APACHE on VMS - CGI  Re: BLISS and $GETSYI  Boot disk size for 4000 M60  Re: Boot disk size for 4000 M60  Re: Boot disk size for 4000 M60 , date bug in pcal (Calendar printing program)' Re: Downloading FDL files from FTP site # Re: Dynamic strings using VAX COBOL # Re: Dynamic strings using VAX COBOL  Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again.2 FA: Reflection 4 For DOS Pc\VAX Terminal Emulation" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?" Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?& Re: Is "errno" thread safe in OpenVMS? Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms = License question: How can I tell if a license if Vax or Alpha A Re: License question: How can I tell if a license if Vax or Alpha A Re: License question: How can I tell if a license if Vax or Alpha A Re: License question: How can I tell if a license if Vax or Alpha ' Looking for a Medical Insurance Biller?  Re: Oracle RDB Bugcheck  Re: Oracle RDB Sql Services  Question on Memory Re: Question on Memory Re: Question on Memory Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: RECALL question/suggestion. $ REQ: Lexmark Printer Control Library shadow question SCSII <--> DSSI # Re: shadow question SCSII <--> DSSI  Re: Software source book Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose$ Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( RE: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( RE: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears ' Re: the lights are out at Northernlight ' Re: the lights are out at Northernlight ' Re: the lights are out at Northernlight ' Re: the lights are out at Northernlight 
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 Re: Time Zone 	 TLZ tapes  RE: Use P1 in PIPE' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files  Vaxstation 4000 halt codes Re: Vaxstation 4000 halt codes Re: Vaxstation 4000 halt codes Re: Vaxstation 4000 halt codes Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: What OpenVMS version?  Re: What OpenVMS version? * Re: Windows NT to OpenVMS access questions* Re: Windows NT to OpenVMS access questions  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:19:30 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>O Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support ) Message-ID: <8tuvj8$mmj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   - In article <3A024279.9F5454CA@earthlink.net>, :   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:; > "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:  > > A > >         Please forgive me for reordering David's remarks, but 
 they'll be' > >     easier to respond to if I do...  > > E > > In article <3A00F514.37832A8B@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" % <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  > > [...about EDT vs. TPU...] ( > > > *PLENTY* of reasons to not use it!   [...]   D How about EDT's SET NOTRUNCATE? Can you do that in TPU? I would haveF found that really useful if TPU could do it when I needed it for filesF that had more than 255 chars. per line. NOTE: Shift left, etc., is notE the same. SET NOTRUNCATE wraps each line and starts each continuation B line with a diamond, all without affecting the text in the buffer.  F I asked if TPU could do SET NOTRUNCATE before in this newsgroup and no one could come up with a way.   D As far as EDT goes, it would be really nice if it could show as manyH lines as would fit on the screen and if it could work with longer lines.   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)  dellnet.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 12:48:37 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent . Message-ID: <8tuc75$hcl$2@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <3A00F180.9AF4C6D6@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" & <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:    > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > > E > > In article <39FF859B.5E674D42@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" ) > > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  > >  > > > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > > > > ? > > > > In article <39FEFB8E.CA3132D5@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn ) > > > > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > > > > = > > > > > You jogged my memory, anyway, whats wrong with TPU?  > > > > O > > > > I just have never gotten around to learning it.  Back with 5.5, EDT was N > > > > the default....I do have it on my list of things to do, mainly for LSEL > > > > but it also offers some advantages.  It has disadvantages (reads the? > > > > whole file at the beginning---annoying if it is 100MB),  > > > M > > > It also will insert spaces in records where they don't belong. Move the N > > > cursor into the blank space at the end of a line, type a character, thenH > > > delete it. The spaces in the record up to the cursor position willE > > > remain. (At least, this was true of early versions of TPU/EVE.)  > > >  > > > > but so does EDT  > G > No, it doesn't. It doesn't have the ability to move the cursor on the C > screen past the end of the record from the file. TPU does this by I > default. If you're not expecting it, press cursor down and start typing A > in the wrong place, ... well, it can leave an "invisible" mess.   H The "but so does EDT" is out of context; it referred to EDT also having  a few disadvantages.   > [snip]G > > Sometimes, I have to edit the first few lines of a 40 MB PostScript 	 > > file.  > F > YIKE! Wouldn't it be easier to fix the program? ...or is that not an	 > option?   E It happens so rarely that that would be more trouble than it's worth.   , > > EDT is definitely the tool of choice.... >  > Whole-heartedly agree!   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 12:56:18 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent . Message-ID: <8tucli$hcl$3@info.service.rug.nl>  7 In article <3A017A13.85292B3B@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn " <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:   G > > Right, which is what I thought.  However, I suppose it can still be K > > supported but development and documentation "frozen".  Actually, I like H > > that concept: it's supported but already fully developed so it won't > > change!  > L > Except, Phillip, that it was you that started this thread by reporting and? > EDT crash. So, you will have to get used to that bug I guess.   F Since I have ONLY seen the bug when EDT is called from MAIL (actually I MAIL/OLD, since the new, rewritten-in-C (oh, whatever for!) is so broken  E that MAIL/OLD (to run MAIL_OLD) is provided---in my case, one cannot  E spawn out of EDT when called from MAIL properly; all this is another  H thread, though), although I probably spend at least as much time in EDT F outside of MAIL, it might not be PURELY an EDT error, even if that is # where the error message comes from.    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 02:10 -0400 From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m( Subject: Re: %RMS-F-BUG on OpenVMS 5.5-2% Message-ID: <3NOV200002102710@miasys>   a In article <t037m6mmoufafd@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes... 
 >Hi Folks, > L >A colleague has asked me to help him with some code that is malfunctioning  >- OpenVMS 5.5-2 on a MicroVax.   @ Old stuff! Any chance to go to a nice little Alpha with VMS 7.x?  K >This chunk of C code encounters n "%RMS-F-BUG" error while doing I/O to a  M >local isam file.  There are actually 10 processes (running indentical code)  M >that are reading from and writing to this file.  When the error occurs, the  I >offending process is deleted by vms.  The error occurs only under heavy  4 >load conditions.  The manual says to submit an SPR.  L Well, The 'bug' in question might be a true RMS code bug, but it's unlikely,H allthough some have been fixed since then. More likely it is RMS gettingI confused reading corrupted data. It is still conidered and RMS bug for it L not to be able to gracefully deal with arbitrary file corruption, but I findM it somewhat excusable (and again, some instance have been fixed since 5.5-2).   J I suggest to first CONVERT all the indexed files in question an try again.  G To find out what single file is suspect you may want to set  the SYSGEN J parameter BUGCHECKFATAL to 1 for a while. The next RMS BUG will then CRASHK the whole system and ANAL/SYST, SHOW PROC /RMS will soon reveal the suspect  file    L >My question is:  Is it possible that we've scrambled the contents of a FAB G >or RAB, and that in turn is causing this error (there's a significant  ( >amount of AST processing in this code).  F No, not really. As Bill wrote, the relevant contents from the RABs areD cloned into IRABs (internal RAB) to protect specifically against the? program mucking with data after a first sanity check is passed.   > A record compression running wil is my best bet for the cause.  B >Also, we're calling $PUT from within an AST.  Is this a bad idea?  M Should be no problem. RMS will sync itself and will only ever be active once.   H Doublecheck quotas (again, a DUMP will be the best record of the troubleF and may provide aa snapshot of reource usage while the trouble occurs.    
 Good luck, 	Hein.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:05:10 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) $ Subject: %RMS-F-BUG on OpenVMS 5.5-2/ Message-ID: <t037m6mmoufafd@news.supernews.com>   	 Hi Folks,   K A colleague has asked me to help him with some code that is malfunctioning   - OpenVMS 5.5-2 on a MicroVax.  J This chunk of C code encounters n "%RMS-F-BUG" error while doing I/O to a L local isam file.  There are actually 10 processes (running indentical code) L that are reading from and writing to this file.  When the error occurs, the H offending process is deleted by vms.  The error occurs only under heavy 3 load conditions.  The manual says to submit an SPR.   K My question is:  Is it possible that we've scrambled the contents of a FAB  F or RAB, and that in turn is causing this error (there's a significant ' amount of AST processing in this code).   A Also, we're calling $PUT from within an AST.  Is this a bad idea?    ws   --  3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:15:38 +0200 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)G Subject: ??== Password protect access on VT500 and VT400 screen savers. A Message-ID: <aus-0311001815380001@wex209.extern.uni-wuerzburg.de>   H Can I password protect the access to VT400 and VT500 terminals which are in energy (screen) saver mode?   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:25:31 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Re: Alpha equivalent 6 Message-ID: <200011030721.IAA18193@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  G I think, that the ES40 with 4* EV67 667MHz and 4,8 or 16GB of memory is 1 the competitor of the Sun Enterprise 4500 Server.   F "unsure future" of OpenVMS? Compaq has it on his hand. They should buyG (like Sun) good software vendors and produce with them a lot of OpenVMS B (only?!) software. Sun does loose also some apllications like KBV.C But they did sold Netscape, Staroffice and something more. Also did F they made a partnership with Legato. Compaq partnership with MicroSoftE is a one way, directed to MicroSoft, without any chance to get Micro-  Soft product under OpenVMS.    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:46:04 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Alpha equivalent 2 Message-ID: <3a02a2ed.2147963548@news.newsguy.com>  > On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:56:04 GMT, bawilhelm@my-deja.com wrote:  / >Thanks to Gorazd Kikelj for his helpful reply.  > ( >As far as the unsure future of OpenVMS. > D >When companies like Oracle scale down their support of a particular@ >platform and you are purchasing a new system based on an OracleF >database, it makes you a little uneasy about investing a considerableA >amount of money in that direction.  When people like Gartner are C >telling upper management that the future is questionable and other G >software vendors are discontinuing VMS as an "approved" configuration,  >that seems pretty shaky to me.  > F >I am not saying that these companies are right, I am just saying thatF >the decisions/recomendations they make have an impact on the decision >process > C >As I said, now that Oracle has moved VMS back to tier 1 status, it E >makes VMS a much more viable option.  I personally prefer VMS and am : >very happy we are once again considering it as an option.  < I think Compaq and Oracle are deadly serious now. If VMS andF VMS/Oracle Oracle RDB went away tomorrow the world as we know it wouldB come to an end. Many critical users were forced to consider movingE away against their best wishes because of the 'uncertain future'.  On @ the strengths of high level guarantees I believe many recent newE projects relying on VMS have been initiated. This, in turn, makes the  future much more secure.  E Not directly Oracle related but the Wihitehouse is moving back to VMS D for its mail backbone as they haven't been able to get anything like@ their old reliability since phasing out VMS in favour of PC mailE systems. I suspect there are many similar stories which we won't hear - about... but I'm sure you'll get the picture.   E Compaq management have also studied the figures that show that 70% of B VMS customers forced to migrate pick a platform other than Compaq.E Unlike Digital it appears that Compaq intend to stay in business. You D still occasionally hear confused messages but I'm convinced that VMS@ is no longer heading for the rocks - and I'm as cynical as hell.  6 More work to be done but at least it is well underway.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:24:49 -0500 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> Subject: Re: Alpha equivalent 2 Message-ID: <57sCOgrJ0+HZK5pTzjf0XNfvaIUz@4ax.com>  @ On 2 Nov 2000 12:14:17 -0700, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) wrote:   4 >In article <C84BOmNGaEu6Mt0vRk7hcj7NkcZc@4ax.com>, 6 >   David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> writes: >  >>  > >> Considering that 80% to 90% of the databases running on VMS? >> are owned by Oracle (either Oracle or Rdb), I would think it = >> would be in Compaq's best interest to ensure that boosting 8 >> Oracle on VMS is in the best interest of Oracle Corp. >>   > ; >    I agree. What I'm not sure of is whether the purported : >renewed interest in VMS by Oracle is a change on Oracle's< >part to care about those customers or if it's a case ( like< >Win2K on Alpha ) of Compaq throwing buckets of money at theA >project. If the latter case then we might expect that if (when?) 9 >that funding dries up Oracle may start treating VMS like  >Microsoft treats Alpha. > ? >> On a side note, I find it just as sad that my company does a : >> shoddy job of promoting SAS on VMS, especially with the< >> 64-bit and DecThreads enhancements on the way in the next  >> major release.  Go figure ... >>  < >    I didn't realize that SAS still ran on VMS. But then we8 >use SPSS around here and the VMS version was dropped in) >favour of the PC version many years ago.t  @     Yes, it does!  V8.2 Base is about to come out for both Alpha= and VAX.  V8.2 will more than likely be the last VAX release,e< since our VMS Host group will be concentrating on DecThreadsD and 64-bit for V9.  Our marketing folks have no interest selling SAS! on Alpha/VMS, only on Alpha/Unix.c   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:18:26 -0500- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>a Subject: Re: Alpha equivalent / Message-ID: <t03fi7mdihce77@corp.supernews.com>L  B "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in2 message news:009F285D.C54D145C@SendSpamHere.ORG...; > In article <mdiM5.242$0f6.6088@news.get2net.dk>, "Anders"i% <ccc28376a@post.cybercity.dk> writes: ? > >Explain what on earth made caused your determination "unsure(
 future".  Itsi> > >future is as certain as your mobile phone working tomorrow. > @ > We here on the comp.os.vms newsgroup would like to answer your questionB > but we are afraid it would be a waste of time "due to the unsure future% > of" the Salisbury Steak University.o  F If anyone knows the answer (I do not) we should be helping. Because ofF the wording in the first line I think most people missed the part that said;T  D | ...                                                           With the D | recent move on Oracle's part to increase the support level for VMS we1 | are considering staying with VMS on Alpha.  ...n   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:05:35 -0800, From: "James Gessling" <jgessling@yahoo.com>7 Subject: Announce: mod_python plug in for CSWS (apache)l3 Message-ID: <8tur80$9evd$1@ID-46415.news.dfncis.de>s  H Not sure how many of you are taking of advantage of the python scriptingK language ported to VMS by Uwe Zessin, but I find it quite useful.  Now that F Compaq has released, and is supporting the CSWS (apache) web server itJ seemed like a good idea to be able to write CGI scripts in Python.  In theI Apache world you do that by creating a loadable module.  (Compaq supplies K one for Perl, mod_perl).  With the help of Compaq support, yes you can call K colorado and ask apache questions, it really is supported, I built a moduleaH for python using Uwe's code ( http://decus.decus.de/~zessin/python ) and4 mod_python code from www.modpython.org and CSWS from> www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html .  L Detailed instructions follow, sorry it's kind of long. lots of little steps.H These instructions will be available as readme.vms at modpython.org too.   Jims  3 How to build and install mod_python on a VMS system   H This assumes apache and python already installed successfully.  I tested7 Compaq's CSWS version of Apache.  Python was 1.5.2 from4 decus.decus.de/~zessin/python.  J 0) download current release (wrote this for 2.6.3) from www.modpython.org.  5 1) create directories on a VMS system something like:    dka0:[mod_python.src.include]s  - 2) put the .c files in src, the .h in includet  I 3) Cut the script off the end of this file, save it in the src directory.-H Edit as necessary and use it to compile and link mod_python.exe.  Sorry,8 I didn't make much effort to make it very sophisticated.  E 4) Under your python lib directory, add a subdirectory [.mod_python].c  - For example: dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.lib]e    8 5) Populate this subdirectory with mod_python .py files.& This allows for module importing like:       import mod_python.apache   which will find apache.py   1 5) Edit apache$root:[conf]httpd.conf to add line:   ,    Include /apache$root/conf/mod_python.conf  " (typically at the end of the file)  7 6) create apache$root:[conf]mod_python.conf containing:   L ############################################################################ ## # Mod_Python config L ############################################################################ ## #i$ # Load the dynamic MOD_PYTHON module7 # note pythonpath must be in python list literal formatf #e/ LoadModule PYTHON_MODULE modules/mod_python.exee  
 <Directory />t!     AddHandler python-program .pyi     PythonHandler mptest     PythonDebug On     PythonPathA "['/dka100/python/python-1_5_2/lib','/dka100/python/python-1_5_2/n) vms/tools','/apache$root/htdocs/python']"D </Directory> #b  I 7) put mod_python.exe into apache$common:[modules] so it can be found andi, loaded.  (create the directory if required).  : 8) fire up the web server with @sys$startup:apache$startup  J 9) Create a file mptest.py in a python subdirectory of your document root,4 Typically apache$common:[htdocs.python].  Like this:  #       from mod_python import apache          def handler(req):R            req.send_http_header()#           req.write("Hello World!")-           return apache.OK  " ( watch your indenting, as usual )  = 10) point browser to:  http://node.place.com/python/mptest.pyi   10) enjoy "hello world"i  C $! build script, edit as needed to match the directories where your>C $!               files are located.  Note /nowarning on cc, this is C $!               required because of a #define clash between apacheB@ $!               and python.  If not used, the .exe is marked asC $!               having compilation warnings and won't load. ApachehL $!               should already have been started to create apache$httpd_shrJ $!               logical name,  Running the apache server with the -X flagG $!               as an interactive process can be used for debugging ifd $!               necessary.e
 $ set noon $ library/create mod_python_libnJ $ cc :== cc  /nowarning/prefix=all/include=(dka100:[python.python-1_5_2],-?                          dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.include],-h"                          dka0:[],-=                          dka200:[apache.apache.src.include],-r?                          dka200:[apache.apache.src.os.openvms])a $ cc  _apachemoduleo. $ library/insert mod_python_lib  _apachemodule $ cc  connobject+ $ library/insert mod_python_lib  connobjecth $ cc  mod_python $ cc  requestobject . $ library/insert mod_python_lib  requestobject $ cc  serverobject- $ library/insert mod_python_lib  serverobjectt $ cc  tableobjecto, $ library/insert mod_python_lib  tableobject
 $ cc  util% $ library/insert mod_python_lib  util; $!   mod_pythonD, $ link/share/sysexe mod_python,sys$input/opt" SYMBOL_VECTOR=(PYTHON_MODULE=DATA) mod_python_lib/lib apache$httpd_shr/share6 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]python_d00/lib7 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]modules_d00/lib 9 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]vms_macro_d00/lib 7 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]objects_d00/lib-6 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]parser_d00/lib3 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]vms_d00/libn7 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]modules_d00/libl9 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]vms_macro_d00/libg3 dka100:[python.python-1_5_2.vms.o_alpha]vms_d00/libe case_sensitive=no@ $! $ exit   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:45:07 +0200h. From: Gennady Meergus <gennady@pbr.gtekil.com> Subject: APACHE on VMS - CGIA Message-ID: <001301c0458b$ac82ae30$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>t   Hello everyone,t  = After I have Apache on VMS working, I have the next question:   # 	HOW TO MAKE IT TO RUN CGI scripts?h  L On Unix/Linux that was pretty simple - it was enough to put "Option ExecCGI"F for a directory and give an "execute" access to the file I want to runA (provided that file extension is listed with cgi-script handler).e  & Apparently, this does not work on VMS.B It just shows me content of the file instead of running it anyway.  I Probably, I should somehow let it know that .pl file requires perl.exe tot8 execute, etc. as on Unix it knew it basing on extension.  D Does anyone have idea what I should do addtitionally to let it work?   Thanks and regards,e   Gennady    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:16:09 GMTn From: richard_maher@my-deja.comM Subject: Re: BLISS and $GETSYI) Message-ID: <8tuaa5$40m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  @ Cable & Wireless using BLISS? Now that's something you don't see  everyday! COBOL license run out?   Regards Richard Maher.  ) In article <8trrj4$1eg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,u#   ROBERT.MURPHY@RB.CWPLC.COM wrote:r< > Hi, (I think this might have been posted twice, apologies) > F > Not too sure if this is the right place, but I will ask anyway - can) > anyone help with this bizaare problem ?a >aF > I am trying to call $GETSYI with the item code SYI$_BOOTTIME, but on > compilation I get the error -t >eD >   %ERRORMACRO:  initialization data exceeds allocation of SYI_LISTD >   Error occurred expanding macro $$ITM_INITIATE, called from macro > $ITMLST_INIT,  >  called from sourcei > F > SYI_LIST is the name of my item list, and I am initialising it usingB > $ITMLIST_INIT, the return buffer is declared as VECTOR [2, LONG,E > UNSIGNED] which, according to the BLISS documentation is correct to $ > return a 64bit absolute timestamp. >pF > I have not had a problem calling other item codes, its just this one > which is giving me aggro.  >gG > Anyone out there got any thoughts, or example code they could send meo > to compare with ?  >e > Most appreciated ! >t > Rob Murphy > robert.murphy@rb.cwplc.com >1( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.t >a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:52:31 -0700o% From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>c$ Subject: Boot disk size for 4000 M60D Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001103085128.00ae9d50@pop.clsp.uswest.net>  I Does the VAXstation 4000 Model 60 have the same size limitation on it foraH a boot disk that the older VS3100 and MV3100 systems had?  Specifically,8 can I put a 1gb (or 2gb or 4gb) in it for a boot device?   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+nI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |dI | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |bI | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |aI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |-I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+p   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:35:33 GMTD From: abirkett@my-deja.com( Subject: Re: Boot disk size for 4000 M60) Message-ID: <8tut15$kab$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  F Yes, you can use larger disks in a 4000 - 60. See below. Apologies for the formatting.M   Regards,   Adee    @ Disk $1$DKA0: (ABVX01), device type SEAGATE ST12400N, is online, mounted, file-9     oriented device, shareable, error logging is enabled.W  <     Error count                    0    Operations completed 44341     Owner process                 ""    Owner UICh [SYSTEM]0     Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:R,Wr;     Reference count               68    Default buffer sizea 512 9     Total blocks             4194685    Sectors per trackg 84;     Total cylinders             2629    Tracks per cylinder  19$     Allocation class               1  >     Volume label        "OVMSVAXSYS"    Relative volume number 0-9     Cluster size                   9    Transaction count  174i=     Free blocks              3671037    Maximum files allowedt 2097343     Extend quantity                5    Mount count0 102     Mount status              System    Cache name "_$1$DKA0:XQPCACHE"eF     Extent cache size             64    Maximum blocks in extent cache 367103H     File ID cache size            64    Blocks currently in extent cache 366948D     Quota cache size               0    Maximum buffers in FCP cache 372 0     Volume owner UIC           [1,1]    Vol Prot S:RWCD,O:RWCD,G:RWCD,W:RWCD-  A   Volume Status:  ODS-2, subject to mount verification, protectedt
 subsystemsF       enabled, file high-water marking, write-through caching enabled.   --D Intelligence is being able to listen to the William Tell overture...7                  ...without thinking of the Lone Rangern   --D Intelligence is being able to listen to the William Tell overture...7                  ...without thinking of the Lone Rangere    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:53:30 -00001 From: "NewsReader" <NewsReader@NotOnYourLife.Com>c( Subject: Re: Boot disk size for 4000 M602 Message-ID: <KRDM5.6$tg4.5197@news.enterprise.net>  2 Booting OpenVMS on my 4000/60 off an RZ28M (2 Gb)!  2 "Dan O'Reilly" <dano@process.com> wrote in message> news:5.0.0.25.2.20001103085128.00ae9d50@pop.clsp.uswest.net...K > Does the VAXstation 4000 Model 60 have the same size limitation on it forzJ > a boot disk that the older VS3100 and MV3100 systems had?  Specifically,: > can I put a 1gb (or 2gb or 4gb) in it for a boot device? >  > ------K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+sK > | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |nK > | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |nK > | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |uK > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    | K > +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+e >c >o   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Nov 2000 22:07:53 GMTs2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)5 Subject: date bug in pcal (Calendar printing program)p, Message-ID: <8tsojp$n0p@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  K The PCAL calendar printing program has a bug that shifts all the dates overlJ by 1 day for 2001 and later.  A version that works correctly in and after  2001 is now up at: o  6   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/PSCAL.ZIP  F If you're using this program you should replace it before users start  printing bogus 2001 calendars.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.educ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 02:14 -0400 From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m0 Subject: Re: Downloading FDL files from FTP site% Message-ID: <3NOV200002144560@miasys>i  k In article <N7iM5.6440$sd5.108982@e420r-sjo2.usenetserver.com>, "Guard Hewitt" <guearsdi@aol.com> writes...wK >We have run into problems with customers downloading FDL files off our FTPn >site using a browser. i  N Being thoroughly single minded (ok, dual: RMS and ORACLE) the term 'FDL files'N immediatly suggests and RMS FDL file to me. That would be a TEXT file used to G describe how to create an RMS (indexed) data file. So just do whatever VG you have to do (rename to .TXT?) to make the FTP transfer in ascii/texto% mode and you should be in good shape.e   fwiw,a 	Hein.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 02:19 -0400 From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m, Subject: Re: Dynamic strings using VAX COBOL% Message-ID: <3NOV200002195200@miasys>-  H In article <8tt5vp$8hp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, deja_foo@my-deja.com writes...  :1 >Anyone have a COBOL sample showing how to create . >a dynamic string, load it with the value of a/ >working-storage field, and maybe even copy theo, >value of the dynamic string back to another >working-storage field?u  P ================================================================================P Note 3326.1                  Example for STR$APPEND                       1 of 2P XXXX::YYYY                                           79 lines  11-DEC-1997 14:24F           -< Example using OTS$SGET1_DD, STR$APPEND, and STR$COPY_R >-P -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. PROGRAM-ID. C3326. DATA DIVISION. WORKING-STORAGE SECTION.  01 STR1 PIC X(3) VALUE IS "123".! 01 STR2 PIC X(4) VALUE IS "4567".  01 STR3 PIC X(2) VALUE IS "89".o
 01 STR4-DESC.. 03  STR4-LEN PIC 9(4) COMP.n 03  FILLER   PIC 9(4) COMP.a 03  STR4-ADR PIC 9(9) COMP.p 01 STR5 PIC X(65535).p PROCEDURE DIVISION.6. P0.	CALL "OTS$SGET1_DD" USING BY VALUE      0, 				  BY REFERENCE  STR4-DESC.3 	CALL "STR$APPEND"   USING BY REFERENCE  STR4-DESC,l 				  BY DESCRIPTOR STR1.u3 	CALL "STR$APPEND"   USING BY REFERENCE  STR4-DESC,n 				  BY DESCRIPTOR STR2. 3 	CALL "STR$APPEND"   USING BY REFERENCE  STR4-DESC,b 				  BY DESCRIPTOR STR3.p. 	CALL "STR$COPY_R"   USING BY DESCRIPTOR STR5, 				  BY REFERENCE  STR4-LEN,M 				  BY VALUE      STR4-ADR.i$ 	DISPLAY "**" STR5(1:STR4-LEN) "**".
 	STOP RUN. END PROGRAM C3326.  B     The key routine you need for COBOL to work with a routine likeI     STR$APPEND is OTS$SGET1_DD which creates a dynamic string descriptor:e  C >         The dyn-str argument is the address of the dynamic stringDE >         descriptor. The class field is not checked but it is set to-G >         dynamic (DSC$B_CLASS = 2). The length field (DSC$W_LENGTH) isS   RTL_Routines     OTS$       OTS$SGET1_DD  A          The Get One Dynamic String routine allocates a specified H          number of bytes of dynamic virtual memory to a specified string          descriptor.            Format   F            OTS$SGET1_DD  word-integer-length-value ,dynamic-descriptor  #       corresponding_jsb_entry_point               OTS$SGET1_DD_R6         Argumentse         word-integer-length-valuea  $          OpenVMS usage word_unsigned&          type          word (unsigned)           access        read only          mechanism     by valueoG          Number of bytes to be allocated. The word-integer-length-value E          argument contains the number of bytes. The amount of storage I          allocated is automatically rounded up. If the number of bytes iso4          zero, a small number of bytes is allocated.         dynamic-descriptor  (          OpenVMS usage quadword_unsigned*          type          quadword (unsigned)          access        modify-#          mechanism     by referenceiH          Dynamic string descriptor to which the area is to be allocated.B          The dyn-str argument is the address of the dynamic stringD          descriptor. The class field is not checked but it is set toF          dynamic (DSC$B_CLASS = 2). The length field (DSC$W_LENGTH) isG          set to word-integer-length-value and the address field (DSC$A_ H          POINTER) is set to the string area allocated (first byte beyond          the header).n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:36:07 GMTt From: richard_maher@my-deja.coms, Subject: Re: Dynamic strings using VAX COBOL) Message-ID: <8tubfn$4rf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>g   Hi,W  G I'd suggest calling the LIB$ alternatives rather than the OTS$/STR$ RTLeE routines, or you should put Hein's example in a subroutine that callsp> lib$establish using by value lib$sig_to_ret (or write your ownB condition handler). That is, at least some of the OTS/STR routines) signal errors rather than returning them.a  G Note: You should be fine with dynamic SQL but with old Rdb versions and ? SQLMOD string descriptors were not check for dynamic unless thelB LANGUAGE clause specified BASIC. (Well at least it didn't work for COBOL)   Regards Richard Mahers  % In article <3NOV200002195200@miasys>,n   hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m wrote: @ > In article <8tt5vp$8hp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, deja_foo@my-deja.com	 writes...e >  :3 > >Anyone have a COBOL sample showing how to create 0 > >a dynamic string, load it with the value of a1 > >working-storage field, and maybe even copy thee. > >value of the dynamic string back to another > >working-storage field?c >  > H ======================================================================== ========* > Note 3326.1                  Example for' STR$APPEND                       1 of 2.H > XXXX::YYYY                                           79 lines  11-DEC-
 1997 14:24H >           -< Example using OTS$SGET1_DD, STR$APPEND, and STR$COPY_R >-H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 ---------- > IDENTIFICATION DIVISION. > PROGRAM-ID. C3326. > DATA DIVISION. > WORKING-STORAGE SECTION." > 01 STR1 PIC X(3) VALUE IS "123".# > 01 STR2 PIC X(4) VALUE IS "4567".#! > 01 STR3 PIC X(2) VALUE IS "89".D > 01 STR4-DESC.  > 03  STR4-LEN PIC 9(4) COMP.o > 03  FILLER   PIC 9(4) COMP.d > 03  STR4-ADR PIC 9(9) COMP.d > 01 STR5 PIC X(65535).y > PROCEDURE DIVISION.t0 > P0.	CALL "OTS$SGET1_DD" USING BY VALUE      0,  > 				  BY REFERENCE  STR4-DESC.5 > 	CALL "STR$APPEND"   USING BY REFERENCE  STR4-DESC,1 > 				  BY DESCRIPTOR STR1.o5 > 	CALL "STR$APPEND"   USING BY REFERENCE  STR4-DESC,t > 				  BY DESCRIPTOR STR2.o5 > 	CALL "STR$APPEND"   USING BY REFERENCE  STR4-DESC,r > 				  BY DESCRIPTOR STR3.r0 > 	CALL "STR$COPY_R"   USING BY DESCRIPTOR STR5, > 				  BY REFERENCE  STR4-LEN,i > 				  BY VALUE      STR4-ADR.o& > 	DISPLAY "**" STR5(1:STR4-LEN) "**". > 	STOP RUN. > END PROGRAM C3326. >mD >     The key routine you need for COBOL to work with a routine like? >     STR$APPEND is OTS$SGET1_DD which creates a dynamic string  descriptor:h >KE > >         The dyn-str argument is the address of the dynamic string/G > >         descriptor. The class field is not checked but it is set tosF > >         dynamic (DSC$B_CLASS = 2). The length field (DSC$W_LENGTH) is >l > RTL_Routines >t >   OTS$ >o >     OTS$SGET1_DD > C >          The Get One Dynamic String routine allocates a specified C >          number of bytes of dynamic virtual memory to a specified  string >          descriptor. >d >          Formath >!H >            OTS$SGET1_DD  word-integer-length-value ,dynamic-descriptor >!% >       corresponding_jsb_entry_pointh >p >            OTS$SGET1_DD_R6 >  >       Argumentsi >r! >       word-integer-length-valueg >g& >          OpenVMS usage word_unsigned( >          type          word (unsigned)" >          access        read only! >          mechanism     by value]D >          Number of bytes to be allocated. The word-integer-length- value G >          argument contains the number of bytes. The amount of storageeB >          allocated is automatically rounded up. If the number of bytes is6 >          zero, a small number of bytes is allocated. >  >       dynamic-descriptor >t* >          OpenVMS usage quadword_unsigned, >          type          quadword (unsigned) >          access        modifyq% >          mechanism     by referencer? >          Dynamic string descriptor to which the area is to ber
 allocated.D >          The dyn-str argument is the address of the dynamic stringF >          descriptor. The class field is not checked but it is set toH >          dynamic (DSC$B_CLASS = 2). The length field (DSC$W_LENGTH) isA >          set to word-integer-length-value and the address field1 (DSC$A_nC >          POINTER) is set to the string area allocated (first byte_ beyond >          the header).  >1    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.[   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:16:56 +0000.0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.0* Message-ID: <3A028288.1E81087D@uk.sun.com>  > > "Jordan Henderson" <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message& > news:8ts3ap$vdh$1@lisa.gemair.com.... > > In article <3A016143.F178C010@uk.sun.com>,6 > > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >  > <snip> > >AA > > >I have not bothered detailing the depths of your FUD attempta? > > >with respect to Sun and Java but as I keep saying you needV > > >to get more mirror time.s > > >  > >W? > > I'm glad you brought up Java again.  Because your post here > > > where you said that the Java available for OpenVMS is Java@ > > "yes and no" is a classic example of FUD, which I countered.A > > There's little doubt that for the best, most up-to-date, Javat> > > almost everyone will tell you that Sun is the place to go.< > > Using this fact against competitors is a pure, classical > > FUD technique. >   : Sorry Jordan, you are getting stuck in familiar territory 9 namely objecting to a factual statement because you don'tl: like its implications and then callinmg the statement FUD.  < The orgional Java posting I put out was factual, most of you7 refutal was not, you for example complained that I usedu9 Linux as an example of a platform that had 1.3 available p7 for it. In case you hadn't worked it out Blackdown ports< the JVM code to Linux in the same way as Compaq do to Tru64.  9 And for some reason, presumably because it destroyed youro? argument completely you refused to accept that the availabilityi< of 1.3 on AIX at around the same time as the Solaris version= was clear evidence that the Java playing field is not biased h towards Sun.  6 And you totally blew your chances of not appearing to 7 be anything other than a FUDSTER when I said that there 5 havn't been any examples of Sun's loading the dice in < our favour, your reply was "yet". Pure FUD, pure supposition8 and three letter as well. I congratulate you on blowing   it with 3 letters pretty clever.   Regards  Andrew Harrisoni Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:43:54 +0000,0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.t* Message-ID: <3A0288DA.42101FFD@uk.sun.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:o > > > "Jordan Henderson" <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message& > news:8ts3ap$vdh$1@lisa.gemair.com.... > > In article <3A016143.F178C010@uk.sun.com>,6 > > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >  > <snip> > > A > > >I have not bothered detailing the depths of your FUD attempt ? > > >with respect to Sun and Java but as I keep saying you need- > > >to get more mirror time.a > > >, > >o? > > I'm glad you brought up Java again.  Because your post hereu> > > where you said that the Java available for OpenVMS is Java@ > > "yes and no" is a classic example of FUD, which I countered.A > > There's little doubt that for the best, most up-to-date, Javah> > > almost everyone will tell you that Sun is the place to go.< > > Using this fact against competitors is a pure, classical > > FUD technique. > I > One wonders if Java ultimately will bite Solaris in the backside. Sun's F > claim to fame in the Unix space (and rightfully so) is the humongousM > boatload of apps available on Solaris. Tru64 of course pales in comparison, 4 > and apps availability hath cost the Q many a sale. > @ Of course this is a possibility, but then it depends on who you  think we are competing with.  < Sun is more interested in putting a spanner in the works at 8 Microsoft than it is in Tru64/OpenVMS and MS's software < portfolio (no I don't mean Office) is the one the Sun would  like to have running on Java.$  6 Siebel for example uses UNIX/NT backend servers and we: had always been happy to compete against NT at the backend= but until earlier this year the mid tier servers and clients T9 had to be Win32 based, this is no longer the case and so ,7 MS has been losing applications server business to Sun  5 in an area where we were unable to compete up to now.   9 Jordan in his rather poor attempt to FUD Sun/Java missed  9 one major area where Sun does gain an advantage as a Java,8 platform over other vendors which can be boiled down to 6 the branding of Java which is very closely associated 4 with Sun. This is inevitable and obviously helps us.    J > OK, what's gonna happen if and when ISVs start writing their key apps inK > Java? If Java is write-once, run-anywhere, and Compaq, et al, have decent = > Java implementations, apps availability many no longer be ab > platform-dependent issue.   9 Many are doing this but you also need the supporting Java : infrastructure, you need the applications servers to host 9 your J2EE apps, you need the development, debug and test s5 environments. Compaq need to do a lot more than just 68 provide a relatively up-to-date and efficient JVM, they 5 also need to get iPlanet, IBM, BEA, ATG. Broadvision, ' etc to get them on their porting list. e  7 Don't take this as FUD it isn't ment that way but even :5 a cursory look at the availability of these products s4 on OpenVMS and even Tru64 will show you where Compaq* need to be spending some of their dollars.   Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:30:50 GMTu4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.l: Message-ID: <exhM5.8430$Ho3.76024@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  < "Jordan Henderson" <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message$ news:8ts3ap$vdh$1@lisa.gemair.com..., > In article <3A016143.F178C010@uk.sun.com>,4 > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:   <snip> >o? > >I have not bothered detailing the depths of your FUD attemptr= > >with respect to Sun and Java but as I keep saying you need! > >to get more mirror time.e > >m >r= > I'm glad you brought up Java again.  Because your post herep< > where you said that the Java available for OpenVMS is Java> > "yes and no" is a classic example of FUD, which I countered.? > There's little doubt that for the best, most up-to-date, Java < > almost everyone will tell you that Sun is the place to go.: > Using this fact against competitors is a pure, classical > FUD technique.  G One wonders if Java ultimately will bite Solaris in the backside. Sun'snD claim to fame in the Unix space (and rightfully so) is the humongousK boatload of apps available on Solaris. Tru64 of course pales in comparison, 2 and apps availability hath cost the Q many a sale.  H OK, what's gonna happen if and when ISVs start writing their key apps inI Java? If Java is write-once, run-anywhere, and Compaq, et al, have decente; Java implementations, apps availability many no longer be ad platform-dependent issue.d   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 13:46:19 GMT01 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)g% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.d+ Message-ID: <8tufjb$lek$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>e  : In article <exhM5.8430$Ho3.76024@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,7  "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:P |> fJ |> One wonders if Java ultimately will bite Solaris in the backside. Sun'sG |> claim to fame in the Unix space (and rightfully so) is the humongousaN |> boatload of apps available on Solaris. Tru64 of course pales in comparison,5 |> and apps availability hath cost the Q many a sale.4  E I don't think there need be much fear of this.  It's not like this iso  some new and revolutionary idea.   |> @K |> OK, what's gonna happen if and when ISVs start writing their key apps inG	 |> Java? "  G The apps will become even slower than they are today making them prettyoG much unusable.  Could you imagine MS Office 2000 running in a Java VM??uI Add into that the the fact that many applications (like the one mentionedtK above) have no desire whatsoever for machine or especially OS independence.i  M |>        If Java is write-once, run-anywhere, and Compaq, et al, have decento> |> Java implementations, apps availability many no longer be a |> platform-dependent issue. |>    ? Ever hear of PennYan Software??  I thought not.  They jumped on0@ the architecture independence bandwagon the first time around.  > They had piles of business and medical office applications and? even a number of useful utilities all written in UCSD Pascal.  w< Object code portable. I know, I had (and actually still have< although I haven't used it much in ages) UCSD Pascal systems= running on a half dozen different processors. 3 different Z80t> platforms, 68000, LS-11 and yes, even the x86 PC architecture.? And the same binary runs on every one of them!!  there was even=5 a true hardware implementation of the P-architecture.    And where is it today??  X  = The only real difference betweent his and Java is the currentE> speed at which the industry is advancing.  A facet that pretty= much guarantees that Java's 15 minutes will seem much shorter- than UCSD Pascal's.-   bill   -- -J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   3   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:49:16 GMT5- From: "Compusync" <hsappleton@sprintmail.com>T; Subject: FA: Reflection 4 For DOS Pc\VAX Terminal Emulation F Message-ID: <g0CM5.16180$Pw6.1163638@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  @ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=487173646E Auction Ends on:                 Sunday, Nov 12, 2000 at 07:36:05 PSTu   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:17:49 GMT1% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)e+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? 2 Message-ID: <3a028b65.2141939536@news.newsguy.com>  3 On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:28:36 GMT, "Richard L. Dyson"  <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote:R   >Alan Greig wrote:  = >	My backup account had lower settings than these.  I believeaD >I got them from suggestions in the various release notes and BackupD >sections of the manuals long ago.  I'll make some increases and run >tonight to see what happens.i  E As a rule of thumb I like my BACKUP accounts to be able to buffer ten @ seconds worth of data at the drives streaming speed. The optimumD values in the manual were set back at about VMS 5.something when theE fastest drives streamed at 2MB/sec. I haven't looked at the values inr9 the manual recently but quite possibly they need updated.    >8H >> Also could you post  a copy of the basic Accounting information for aE >> job which logs in, run your backup procedure then logs out. Here'si3 >> what I see on an ES40 backing up well over 100GBh >> y: >>  SYSTEM       job terminated at  2-NOV-2000 08:21:01.28 >>   >>   Accounting information:P >>   Buffered I/O count:             734336      Peak working set size:   203616P >>   Direct I/O count:              4480978      Peak virtual size:       372576P >>   Page faults:                     16052      Mounted volumes:              2R >>   Charged CPU time:        0 01:14:40.53      Elapsed time:       0 04:21:01.28 >hG >Here is my accounting from last night, with the old settings.  I have pF >made some changes to the process quotas and the blocksize and should  >have a new result tomorrow. >e9 >  BACKUP       job terminated at  2-NOV-2000 05:44:32.92  >  >  Accounting information:F >  Buffered I/O count:          666420         Peak working set size:  >19120F >  Direct I/O count:           1472846         Peak page file size:    >602086 >  Page faults:                   3366         Mounted >volumes:            2B >  Charged CPU time:           0 00:26:25.84   Elapsed time:     0 >03:44:32.89  D What jumps out at me here is that your peak working set size is onlyC 19120 pagelets (compared to my 203616) or about 10MB. In compressedeB mode a TK87 can handle about 5MB/sec (I think...) so you have lessB than two seconds worth of data buffered. Any significant file I/O,F fragmentation or groups of small files iduring the backup is likely to' empty this buffer so pausing the drive.   E Also you have a charged cpu time of 26 mins which would probably onlyoD be about eight mins on an ES40 along with an elapsed time of 3hrs 44B mins. This confirms that you are spending the vast majority of theF time waiting on I/O (as we knew anyway really. If you look at my ratioB on the ES40 I get about 3:1 in elapsed:cpu. So assuming your disks= aren't catastrophically fragmented I would guess you will seeSD significant improvements with larger quotas. Better check the SYSGENC parameter CHANNELCNT as well as this will limit the number of filesp backup will buffer as well.r    A >	These results are from an AlphaServer 2100 OpenVMS v6.2 with anoH >old KZPAA controller and a TZ87 drive backing up about 24.816x10^6 blksF >(or ~11.83 GB).  I am also trying to tune an AlphaServer 1200/OpenVMS0 >v7.1-1H2 with a TK89 on a FWD SCSI controller.  >t	 >Regards,  >Ricki >-- I >Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.edu.I > _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/ I >| | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879yI >| | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-1753 7 >| \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomyn. > \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:24:01 GMT"% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)R+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?h2 Message-ID: <3a01841f.2074540601@news.newsguy.com>  + On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 14:51:46 GMT,  I wrote:m    C >In case anyone points out the obvious - yes I know we could streamCG >under NT if we were willing to use ludicrous amounts of mirrorsets and E >striping but it isn't really cost effective. Guess that's why NetAppe >boxes are becoming so popular.J  C Could add here that Network Appliance Servers use Alpha processors, B their own filesystem, a special version of RAID, storageworks typeA shelves, a purpose written kernel which knows the qualified diskssF intimately (including head position at all times), supports snapshots,4 can perform backups themselves and can be clustered.  C Sound familiar? Guess what? Some of the designers are ex DEC. Theirs@ Scotland regional sales manager is the former DEC regional salesF manager. I know we all know this but it still sickens me how much of a< technical lead Digital through away during the Palmer years.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:47:11 GMTn% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)y+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?e2 Message-ID: <3a01887d.2075658639@news.newsguy.com>  1 On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 13:55:35 +0000, Tim Llewellyne  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:   >a >b >Alan Greig wrote: > 4 >> On Wed, 01 Nov 2000 16:30:29 +0000, Tim Llewellyn# >> <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:1: >>  >Otherwise, I WANT one of those DLT drives he has :-). >>H >> That'll be his special DECThreads multithreaded backup going to 3,600" >> tape drives at the same time :) >> >t* >I'd hate to be tape op on that system :-)  C Mulder to Cancer Man: "At least I don't take the elevator *down* tot the office in the morning"  ? A World In Action special a few years ago discovered that whilefB Menwith Hill (NSA in the UK) may not be able to process all of theF data from its downlinks at once they do receive enough backup tapes toE *RECORD* the entire capacity of *EVERY SINGLE* comms satellite in the. world in real time.i  A Of course if I was an NSA boss I might just publically order thatpF amount of tapes to make people think they did that even if they don't.E But  I guess they probably do. Cliff Stoll in "The Cuckoo's Egg" alsou< says that the NSA appeared to be able to pull out historical  information from satelite feeds.  F Me: I'm suspicous enough about our off site data storage company, EvenE more suspicous now that they've changed their name from Data Vault toJ6 Iron Mountain. Or Iron Maiden as we call them here ;-)  " Their coming to take me away haha!   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 07:57:00 -0500n2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?i* Message-ID: <3A01649C.6DA72BFF@oracle.com>   "Sloan E. Essman" wrote: > L > Also use /NOCRC with the backup command when using DLT drives.  SupposedlyM > the drives have enough error correction built into them that you don't needmN > BACKUP to perform Cyclic Redundancy Checks.  This was according to the folksJ > who improved the BACKUP command for VMS 7.2.  They pointed it out during8 > Decus L.A. in 1998.  So just avoid that waste of time.  8 	Personally, I recommend that you NEVER use /NOCRC.  CRC= protects from failures of the entire end-to-end I/O path.  Myn? believe is that if you don't care about backups, don't do them.s= If you *do* care about them, do it right and try to ensure asv* much possibility of being able to restore.= 	Backup performance isn't all that important: it is *restore*e? performance that matters!  Your business is doing nothing whileuB the restore is running.  And it'll be worse if the restore doesn't# work.  Practice restore procedures!    -- #> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:10:54 -0500i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?1L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0211001210540001@user-2ive64o.dialup.mindspring.com>   In article <rdeininger-0111000104220001@user-2ive76f.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:    H > Please read the BACKUP manual, and increase the parameters together asF > it requests.  Raising some without the others can cause problems, at > least according to folklore.  J Small correction here.  There's no "backup manual" any more.  The relevant> stuff is in the Backup chapter in the System Manager's Manual.   Sorry for any confusion.   -- - Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:35:40 -0500-2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>' Subject: How to boost DLT backup speed? 7 Message-ID: <200011030735_MC2-B97F-DC1C@compuserve.com>c  J         The most important thing you can do is to specify /BLOCKSIZE=3D32= 256 J in your backup command.  The next most important thing to do is to read t= heG fine manuals and calculate the proper quotas and limits for the account D running backup.  Be sure to read the manuals, using large but random0 numbers will not help and may make things worse!  D Message text written by INTERNET:netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.comE >I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewoC years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.a  1 Can someone feed me with the related information? F I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user profile.      <   ------------------------------  " Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:40:05 GMT/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>w+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? ( Message-ID: <3A0279E5.A60A6D2@uiowa.edu>  J > >> Also could you post  a copy of the basic Accounting information for aG > >> job which logs in, run your backup procedure then logs out. Here'sa5 > >> what I see on an ES40 backing up well over 100GBc > >>< > >>  SYSTEM       job terminated at  2-NOV-2000 08:21:01.28 > >> > >>   Accounting information:R > >>   Buffered I/O count:             734336      Peak working set size:   203616R > >>   Direct I/O count:              4480978      Peak virtual size:       372576R > >>   Page faults:                     16052      Mounted volumes:              2T > >>   Charged CPU time:        0 01:14:40.53      Elapsed time:       0 04:21:01.28 > >-H > >Here is my accounting from last night, with the old settings.  I haveG > >made some changes to the process quotas and the blocksize and should  > >have a new result tomorrow. > >a; > >  BACKUP       job terminated at  2-NOV-2000 05:44:32.92o > >n > >  Accounting information:M > >  Buffered I/O count:          666420         Peak working set size: 19120mM > >  Direct I/O count:           1472846         Peak page file size:   60208 M > >  Page faults:                   3366         Mounted volumes:           2sP > >  Charged CPU time:           0 00:26:25.84   Elapsed time:     0 03:44:32.89 > F > What jumps out at me here is that your peak working set size is onlyE > 19120 pagelets (compared to my 203616) or about 10MB. In compressedrD > mode a TK87 can handle about 5MB/sec (I think...) so you have lessD > than two seconds worth of data buffered. Any significant file I/O,H > fragmentation or groups of small files iduring the backup is likely to) > empty this buffer so pausing the drive.=  A 	I ran last night on the same disks, mostly equal to the previous= data and got this:  =        BACKUP       job terminated at  3-NOV-2000 05:30:22.73      Accounting information: E   Buffered I/O count:          666971         Peak working set size:   18384 E   Direct I/O count:           1448411         Peak page file size:   - 59952-5   Page faults:                   4435         Mounted  volumes:            2AA   Charged CPU time:           0 00:26:56.02   Elapsed time:     0T 03:30:22.67.  % Pretty much no change in performance.1  A 	I keep my disks pretty defragmented.  Average report from DFG is H a frag index of 9.2 (i.e., "Excellent").  I run the batch job in a queue with? a base priority of 2.  I now see the batch queue had quotas of C0 	/WSDEFAULT=16384 /WSEXTENT=65536 /WSQUOTA=16384D Won't these override the UAF settings of the account running BACKUP?    6 Here are the pre-change Authorize settings for BACKUP:  9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:        64000t9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0G9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       150  JTquota:       4096 9 Prclm:           8  DIOlm:      4096  WSdef:         2000R9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:      4096  WSquo:        16384D9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     16384G9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:      50000   $ Here are the new Authorize settings:  9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       600  Bytlm:       128000r9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0t9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       300  JTquota:       4096 9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:      4096  WSdef:       200000B9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:      4096  WSquo:       200000_9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        40  WSextent:   1000000 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:     32767  Pgflquo:    2000000   B 	I checked the value of CHANNELCNT = 1168, but I don't know how to  tell if this is adequate or not.   Rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479N   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:46:47 -00001 From: "NewsReader" <NewsReader@NotOnYourLife.Com>t+ Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed?i2 Message-ID: <rLDM5.5$tg4.5030@news.enterprise.net>  . Also use the /NOCRC qualifier with DLT drives!  = "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote in messagew1 news:200011030735_MC2-B97F-DC1C@compuserve.com...sJ         The most important thing you can do is to specify /BLOCKSIZE=32256K in your backup command.  The next most important thing to do is to read theaG fine manuals and calculate the proper quotas and limits for the accountgD running backup.  Be sure to read the manuals, using large but random0 numbers will not help and may make things worse!  D Message text written by INTERNET:netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.comE >I had seen posts to improve backup speed of DLT Drive on OpenVMS fewiC years ago in this newsgroup, but I am unable to retrieve the posts.   1 Can someone feed me with the related information?uF I believe its something to do with blocksize and the quota in the user profile.      <   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:54:56 GMT)$ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark)/ Subject: Re: Is "errno" thread safe in OpenVMS?s/ Message-ID: <3a02c312.17568592@news.force9.net>$  @ On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:05:00 GMT, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark) wrote:   >Hi, >oC >We are porting a large application from UNIX to VMS.  The existing @ >code makes heavy use of the "errno" variable.  Is this variable* >thread safe when used with POSIX threads?  > Thanks for all the replies.  Looking at errno.h indicates that errno is defined thus :-  8 #    define errno      (*__CXX_CMA_TIS_ERRNO_GET_ADDR())   Regards,
 Mark Williamsi   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:03:01 -0500 ) From: "Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@ari.net>o Subject: Re: Java on Openvms= Message-ID: <gurman-9066C1.08030103112000@news.crosslink.net>n  E In article <39eedbf8.851835114@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net   (Alan Greig) wrote:o   [snip]  ; > I also don't  have much time for posts like: "but Java is H > slow/crap/Sun/insecure/I-ALWAYS-TURN-IT-OFF so who cares". Well that'sD > their sitiation. That's of no help at all at a site which actually > needs it.u  I     At the risk of being drawn into an A. Harrison rant, er, discussion, aI I would respectfully disagree with Mr. Greig. If Java is insecure, as it tE currently is on all platforms with all JDK's, _no one_ needs it. The tD dangers of running Java- (and for that matter, JavaScript-) enabled  browsers are real and serious.  H     I look forward to the day that Sun and the developers who port Java I to other platforms get the security right. It won't be easy, and I guess 1 that means it won't be soon.                     Joe Gurman  < P.S. In the last year, we've tested two flavors of low-end, H network-attached storage (NAS) devices. Both offered configuration over G HTTP, but one was Java-based and the other, flat HTML. The Java applet sI would work only on NT (not even Windows) and recent versions of Solaris, tF not on any other platform we have; the flat HTML, of course, works on C everything. Guess which one we decided to purchase? (For what it's nG worth, we are a heterogeneous shop, using Tru64, Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX, oA Windows, Mac OS [probably even farther behind the JDK curve than kH OpenVMS], OpenVMS, .... and cross-platform ineroperability is important  to us.)    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 08:49:07 -0500n9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n Subject: Re: Java on Openvms+ Message-ID: <qSBwYQN91iqy@eisner.decus.org>>  i In article <gurman-9066C1.08030103112000@news.crosslink.net>, "Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@ari.net> writes:eG > In article <39eedbf8.851835114@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net > > (Alan Greig) wrote:  >  > [snip] > < >> I also don't  have much time for posts like: "but Java isI >> slow/crap/Sun/insecure/I-ALWAYS-TURN-IT-OFF so who cares". Well that'stE >> their sitiation. That's of no help at all at a site which actuallyH >> needs it. > K >     At the risk of being drawn into an A. Harrison rant, er, discussion, hK > I would respectfully disagree with Mr. Greig. If Java is insecure, as it  G > currently is on all platforms with all JDK's, _no one_ needs it. The cF > dangers of running Java- (and for that matter, JavaScript-) enabled   > browsers are real and serious. > J >     I look forward to the day that Sun and the developers who port Java K > to other platforms get the security right. It won't be easy, and I guess   > that means it won't be soon.  F The nasty part is that "get the security right" will never be _proven_D given the ad-hoc nature of the operating system business.  Thus eachC would-be Java using organization must make their own decision as toa( when "all the problems" have been fixed.  F Of course we are really talking about the security of the Java VirtualC Machine (and JavaScript) as used for running software provided by amC potentially inept or potentially hostile outside source.  Java as a B programming language has fewer problems than some other languages,B but only Sun seems interested in compiling Java to ordinary objectD code (at least their Chief Science Officer said they were interested in a speech in January 1999).o   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:06:51 GMTo% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)e Subject: Re: Java on Openvms2 Message-ID: <3a02b5de.2152812390@news.newsguy.com>  3 On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:29:20 +0000, andrew harrisonh! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:     A >I know this may be kind of tricky to grasp (Yes I turned extremee >condescentionH >mode on specially for you) but my statement does not say anything about >Java not being cross platform.   	 Hi Andrewg  C Back from Steve Hoffman's two day VMS future presentation in LondonSF then? Which one were you? And don't claim you weren't there. How could2 you resist? We're studying the photos right now...   :-)    >_H >If you have 5 different platforms running 1.2.2 then a Java app running >on F >one should run on all 5 platforms, all you have to do is ensure that  >all the platforms have 1.2.2. > F >If you have one platform which can run 1.1.X, 1.2.X and 1.3 (Solaris, >AIX,nE >Linux, Win32, HP-UX, Tru64) then you should be able to run any Java -H >application but you may need to use one JVM for one app and another forE >a second because not all apps are upwardly or downwardly compatible.p  A Wow all these compiler writers have got it wrong for years. Don'tuE bother making the compiler work with old code. Just keep every singlet release ever on the disk.c  A Surely a better argument for you to use Andrew is that:  "Java isfB still a rapidly developing technology and there are some instancesB where backwards comptability cannot be guaranteed currently. It is? expected that this will settle down." Otherwise while it may be E possible to keep a few JVMs around now in ten years time it will be aaC nightmare if every year's worth of developed apps needs that year's( JVM to be on the safe side.l  @ Hmm perhaps VMS engineering could take advantage of file versionE numbers to leave all the old RTLs around just so they don't feel left  out of this new paradigm.g   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:30:47 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a Subject: Re: Java on Openvms) Message-ID: <3A02DA27.119BA669@gtech.com>-   "Joseph B. Gurman" wrote:0J >     At the risk of being drawn into an A. Harrison rant, er, discussion,J > I would respectfully disagree with Mr. Greig. If Java is insecure, as itF > currently is on all platforms with all JDK's, _no one_ needs it. TheE > dangers of running Java- (and for that matter, JavaScript-) enabled   > browsers are real and serious. > I >     I look forward to the day that Sun and the developers who port Java J > to other platforms get the security right. It won't be easy, and I guess > that means it won't be soon.  8 Could you explain a bit why you consider Java insecure ?  = (and please note that the only thing JavaScript has in commont- with Java is the first 4 letters in the name)n   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:03:47 +0000l0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Java on Openvms* Message-ID: <3A02EFF3.A5854C76@uk.sun.com>   "Joseph B. Gurman" wrote:i > F > In article <39eedbf8.851835114@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net > (Alan Greig) wrote:s >  > [snip] > = > > I also don't  have much time for posts like: "but Java isiJ > > slow/crap/Sun/insecure/I-ALWAYS-TURN-IT-OFF so who cares". Well that'sF > > their sitiation. That's of no help at all at a site which actually
 > > needs it.n > J >     At the risk of being drawn into an A. Harrison rant, er, discussion,J > I would respectfully disagree with Mr. Greig. If Java is insecure, as itF > currently is on all platforms with all JDK's, _no one_ needs it. TheE > dangers of running Java- (and for that matter, JavaScript-) enabled-  > browsers are real and serious. >   ? I would be interested in what you think the security issues areo@ with Java. To my knowledge Java security issues have been in theA JVM implimentations and not in the Java language and spec itself.   B JavaScript is another thing entirely and it has nothing in common  with Java except the name. u    I >     I look forward to the day that Sun and the developers who port JavayJ > to other platforms get the security right. It won't be easy, and I guess > that means it won't be soon. >  >                   Joe Gurman > = > P.S. In the last year, we've tested two flavors of low-end,cI > network-attached storage (NAS) devices. Both offered configuration overeH > HTTP, but one was Java-based and the other, flat HTML. The Java appletJ > would work only on NT (not even Windows) and recent versions of Solaris,G > not on any other platform we have; the flat HTML, of course, works onsD > everything. Guess which one we decided to purchase? (For what it'sH > worth, we are a heterogeneous shop, using Tru64, Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX,B > Windows, Mac OS [probably even farther behind the JDK curve thanI > OpenVMS], OpenVMS, .... and cross-platform ineroperability is important 	 > to us.)-  C Although its an interesting example I am not entirely convinced by iA your reasoning. Most people don't want every desktop device they  A have to be able to configure their storage servers and are quite i@ happy to have a small number (because thats all it requires) of  admin stations.f  @ If this really was a buying criteria for storage customers then ? EMC would be dead in the water, their configuration management aA tools (if they let you have them) only run on Win32 if I rememberr
 correctly.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 12:42:32 -0500t9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen). Subject: Re: Java on Openvms+ Message-ID: <kQgHaZuYByPH@eisner.decus.org>n  ] In article <3A02EFF3.A5854C76@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:d > "Joseph B. Gurman" wrote:v >> >G >> In article <39eedbf8.851835114@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net- >> (Alan Greig) wrote: >>  	 >> [snip]  >> i> >> > I also don't  have much time for posts like: "but Java isK >> > slow/crap/Sun/insecure/I-ALWAYS-TURN-IT-OFF so who cares". Well that'seG >> > their sitiation. That's of no help at all at a site which actually  >> > needs it. >>  K >>     At the risk of being drawn into an A. Harrison rant, er, discussion,aK >> I would respectfully disagree with Mr. Greig. If Java is insecure, as itnG >> currently is on all platforms with all JDK's, _no one_ needs it. The F >> dangers of running Java- (and for that matter, JavaScript-) enabled! >> browsers are real and serious.i >> e > A > I would be interested in what you think the security issues aredB > with Java. To my knowledge Java security issues have been in theC > JVM implimentations and not in the Java language and spec itself."  G Andrew, you must understand that on VMS the two are inseparable becausesF the only way to use Java is to run the Java Virtual Machine. I realizeD Sun's Chief Science Officer has a different vision, but Compaq still- looks at Java as purely a bytecode generator.   A A Java compiler that produced object code might be interesting toYI some, but it is not particularly better than the best existing languages.n  D > JavaScript is another thing entirely and it has nothing in common  > with Java except the name. >  A ...and a similar history of introducing security vulnerabilities.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:34:08 GMTm From: pdafniotis@hotmail.comF Subject: License question: How can I tell if a license if Vax or Alpha) Message-ID: <8ttpph$n6j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t   Hello there-  H I have a question regarding licenses. We are giving away a mixed clusterF (1 VAX + 1 Alpha) as we have obtained a new Alpha. I need to know whatD licenses are only applicable for VAX or for Alpha. Is there a way to' tell (other than test it of course :-).    Here are some examples: @ VAXCLUSTER - we have 3 licenses like this; are they only for VAX, machines or they are good for Alpha as well? DVNETEND  E In some cases the licenses have an entry ALPHA in the OPTIONS part ofgH the license PAK (I can see that using LICENSE LIST). Does this mean theyD are only good for Alpha. And in this case these licenses that do notE have the ALPHA key on OPTIONS, does this mean that they will not worke
 for an Alpha?8  E Any help appreciated. I looked in the FAQ but did not find a relevantnH item. Searching so far in Wizards' page did not reveal anything (plus it! is TOO slow behind a firewall...)c  ) Thank you for reading this. Kind regards,i   Petros ---  Petros Dafniotis, PhDt pdafniotis@hotmail.com    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:36:50 +01008 From: "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kesu@xs4all.be>J Subject: Re: License question: How can I tell if a license if Vax or Alpha* Message-ID: <8tu4hq$8qj$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   Hi,    From memory:1 Alpha Licenses have checksums beginning with a 2,P/ VAX licenses have checksums beginning with a 1.   
 Greetings,   -- Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)m& VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be!  # In a world without walls and fences  who needs windows and gates?  H pdafniotis@hotmail.com wrote in message <8ttpph$n6j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...
 >Hello there-q >eI >I have a question regarding licenses. We are giving away a mixed clusterhG >(1 VAX + 1 Alpha) as we have obtained a new Alpha. I need to know whateE >licenses are only applicable for VAX or for Alpha. Is there a way toi( >tell (other than test it of course :-). >j >Here are some examples:A >VAXCLUSTER - we have 3 licenses like this; are they only for VAXu- >machines or they are good for Alpha as well? 	 >DVNETENDe > F >In some cases the licenses have an entry ALPHA in the OPTIONS part ofI >the license PAK (I can see that using LICENSE LIST). Does this mean theynE >are only good for Alpha. And in this case these licenses that do notiF >have the ALPHA key on OPTIONS, does this mean that they will not work >for an Alpha? > F >Any help appreciated. I looked in the FAQ but did not find a relevantI >item. Searching so far in Wizards' page did not reveal anything (plus it:" >is TOO slow behind a firewall...) >l* >Thank you for reading this. Kind regards, >  >PetrosQ >--- >Petros Dafniotis, PhD >pdafniotis@hotmail.com) >n >:' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/e >Before you buy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:12:15 -0500., From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>J Subject: Re: License question: How can I tell if a license if Vax or Alpha8 Message-ID: <9nh50tcuqo9vmu38fbcpmti1qjlju31aim@4ax.com>  D On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:36:50 +0100, "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kesu@xs4all.be> wrote:I    2 >Alpha Licenses have checksums beginning with a 2,0 >VAX licenses have checksums beginning with a 1.  B This is not correct.  Licenses with checksums beginning with 1 are) simply older (very much older!) licenses.N  A Many licenses are valid on both architectures, but if there is an D AVAILABILITY code that is a letter, letter codes B through F are for8 VAX only, and H is Alpha-only.  See SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE.    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)e Fortran Engineering0& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 11:16:06 -0500g9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)eJ Subject: Re: License question: How can I tell if a license if Vax or Alpha+ Message-ID: <NLnZVjHIdy$u@eisner.decus.org>n  g In article <9nh50tcuqo9vmu38fbcpmti1qjlju31aim@4ax.com>, Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> writes: F > On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:36:50 +0100, "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" > <kesu@xs4all.be> wrote:, >  > 3 >>Alpha Licenses have checksums beginning with a 2,m1 >>VAX licenses have checksums beginning with a 1.e > D > This is not correct.  Licenses with checksums beginning with 1 are+ > simply older (very much older!) licenses.0  4 That is for license PAKs from DEC/Compaq, of course.  H Most license PAKs from third parties currently issued will begin with 2,D but some may begin with 1 if they expect to run on VMS V5.0 or V5.1.F Most third parties no longer worry about supporting anything that old,) or use some non-LMF method in such cases.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 03:20:52 -0800a2 From: North Bay Medical Billing <nbmb@hotmail.com>0 Subject: Looking for a Medical Insurance Biller?- Message-ID: <0G3G002B44YVBJ@mx.west.saic.com>   @             "Keeping The Practitioner In Charge Of The Practice" 			-;           Complete Billing & Accounts Receivable Management 6 	            Follow-Up/Appeal Denied Or Delayed Claims3 	                Daily Electronic Claims Submission09 	           Worker's Compensation & Personal Injury Liens8.                     Tracking of Authorizations5 	              Prompt, Accurate, Professional Servicee  I            TAKE A QUIZ TO SEE IF YOU COULD BENEFIT FROM OUR SERVICE&#133;U  O Q.  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Let us help you find the time to enjoy some hard-earned $  leisure or to generate more income.  K  And, if you are thinking, 'There is no way I can afford an outside billingfM  service,' just remember that in our ever-changing world of codes, rules, andaN  regulations, you really cannot afford NOT to use our service. Our service mayL  be less expensive than you think and can provide you with some much-needed   peace of mind.     3 NORTH BAY MEDICAL BILLING			    TEL:	(800) 501-5085 0 1500 Oliver Road, Suite K-117					(707) 863-90772 Fairfield, California 94533				FAX:	(707) 864-9055  ;            Visit our website at:			   Contact Us Via Email:sA http://www.northbaymedicalbilling.50megs.com     nbmb@hotmail.comC   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 12:25:50 -0500r2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>  Subject: Re: Oracle RDB Bugcheck* Message-ID: <3A01A39E.E6EDDF81@oracle.com>  4 your best bet will be to contact oracle rdb support.4 a whole lot more information will be needed in order1 to analyze this problem.  In particular, they'll  4 need to know the exact version of rdb, the platform 0 (vax or alpha) and the first couple pages of the bugcheck dump file.s  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > C > Do you have any idea what is this ? One specific COBOL program ism > generating > a Oracle RDB Bugcheck. > : > ***** Exception at 010C1614 : COSI_MEM_GET_VM + 000004B4 > 2 > I didnt find any information about this message. > 
 > Regards, FCh   -- h> norman lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:16:42 GMTo From: richard_maher@my-deja.com $ Subject: Re: Oracle RDB Sql Services) Message-ID: <8tuksg$cpn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t   Hi,a  C Hopefully Norm will correct me if I'm wrong but the way I see it is = SQL/Services users connect to a "Declared Object - DECnet" oreC a "Predefined Socket/Port Number TCP/IP" There are no NETWORK users D because unlike (Task-to-Task/FAL/Auxilliary Server/INETD/RDB$REMOTE)F there is no seperate VMS process created for each user, just a network connection.r  G All connections are usually managed by a multi-thread (AST threaded andSF not any cma/posix crap!) server process. It used to be a communicationC server but I think that the latest branding has it as a Dispatcher?nC This process allocates work to a pool of detached processes (I calloG them execution servers) that can grow/shrink in accordance with min/max:E and idle parameters. The curious thing about Rdb as I remember it, is G that these execution servers show up as INTERACTIVE. This would lead meuD to believe that Rdb sets the INTERACTIVE bit on the $creprc call andH uses a mailbox as sys$input/sys$output? (and the NOPASSWORD bit as well)  D This is very similar to how TIER3 works but that's another story :-)   Regards Richard Maherv  7 In article <OFD17C2C3A.DDE40946-ON8325698B.005F2C29@ep-n bc.petrobras.com.br>,n,   fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: >e? > Why the users connected to the Oracle RDB SQL Services (ODBC)o > are not  NETWORK users ??? >i	 > Regardse >  > FC >r >i    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:00:47 GMTp) From: sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn)( Subject: Question on Memory31 Message-ID: <3a02b64b.174603776@news.starnet.net>   < We have a Alpha Server 4/166 that currently has 192mb of RAMF installed.  Is there a command that I can issue to tell me how many ofC the memory slots are filled with RAM and how many are avaliable forf2 additional RAM.  The Server is running OpenVms 7.1  ? I am thinking the only way to do this is to open the Server and  physically look.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:22:02 -0500g0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> Subject: Re: Question on Memorya2 Message-ID: <UMkCOtE4fniciXMhkK+=0vBQC9vT@4ax.com>  ;     You didn't say exactly which AlphaServer.  However, youJ* should be able to go to the Golden Eggs at2 http://www5.compaq.com/info/golden-eggs/, click on: Archives, then select the machine in question.  You'll get/ a PDF displayed that includes the internal slote: configuration.  You should be able to make your best guess on your memory configuration.i  ,     Otherwise, you'll have to open it up ...   David R. Beatty-  E On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:00:47 GMT, sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn)h wrote:  = >We have a Alpha Server 4/166 that currently has 192mb of RAMDG >installed.  Is there a command that I can issue to tell me how many oftD >the memory slots are filled with RAM and how many are avaliable for3 >additional RAM.  The Server is running OpenVms 7.1s >s@ >I am thinking the only way to do this is to open the Server and >physically look.  >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:42:50 GMTw= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: Question on Memoryo0 Message-ID: <009F291C.0A43E227@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <3a02b64b.174603776@news.starnet.net>, sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn) writes: = >We have a Alpha Server 4/166 that currently has 192mb of RAMtG >installed.  Is there a command that I can issue to tell me how many ofaD >the memory slots are filled with RAM and how many are avaliable for3 >additional RAM.  The Server is running OpenVms 7.1p >u@ >I am thinking the only way to do this is to open the Server and >physically look.  >J >p   try:   >>> SHOW MEMORY    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo            sO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.w   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:11:59 GMTh From: richard_maher@my-deja.coma" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?) Message-ID: <8tu6hs$17r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d   Hi,t  C I don't know why my mail's bouncing and maybe that's not such a bad 1 thing but you can contact me via Hotmail MAHER_RJn  D The list server is kindly hosted by JCC and full instructions can beF found at www.jcc.com but in the mean time I've attached the following:  G (IIRC it's nothing in the subject and the command in the message text?)    Regards Richard Maherh   OracleRdb List Serverv  ? All SUBSCRIBE, SIGNOFF, and HELP requests should be directed tot oraclerdb-requestATjcc.com  @ Note: If your email address changes or your company changes it'sA format, you need to SIGNOFF under the old address and reSUBSCRIBE A using the new address or else you will lose the ability to changef your subscription status..    + In article <F5UdOp5AfTwi@eisner.decus.org>,o<   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:E > In article <8tphih$503$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, richard_maher@my-deja.comh writes:e >A@ > > I've included a recent post from the Rdb list server in case anyone's > > interested:- >HC > Can you post directions on how to sign up for that mailing list ?r >n@ > Sorry to bother others, but your mail address bounces replies. >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:47:44 GMT  From: richard_maher@my-deja.com,( Subject: Re: RECALL question/suggestion.( Message-ID: <8tu54f$bk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   Hi,.   Apparently so:   LMEDV1> sh process/out=fred.dat  LMEDV1> sea fred.dat namea8                           Node: LMEDV1           Process name: "LMEDEV_MGR 1036"  LMEDV1>t+ LMEDV1> pipe sh process | sea sys$pipe name 8                           Node: LMEDV1           Process name: "LMEDEV_MGR_1" LMEDV1>   E On the "pukka" argument: An Indian colleague says it is Hindi and hern/ best guess at a literal translation is "solid".    Regards Richard Maheri  + In article <9zeFufUZnPYH@eisner.decus.org>,t/   koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: E > In article <8trmdj$t8p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, richard_maher@my-deja.com- writes:- >-E > > I hardly know PIPE at all and have been following recent examplesn withG > > great interest, but in your example is it a case of the sub-processD2 > > having it's own "empty" command recall buffer? >F > Appearently not: >,
 > $recall/alln >   1 sho us
 >   2 sho memr	 >   3 dirJ > $pipe recall/all >   1 sho us
 >   2 sho meme	 >   3 dir5 >@B > I've verified that recall/all writes to sys$output by redefiningF > sys$output, so it should get connected to sys$input via pipe.  Don't know > what's happening.S >iH > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporations? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group G >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingI >a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:55:39 GMTt# From: Will DeKroney <moo@pobox.com>b- Subject: REQ: Lexmark Printer Control Libraryo8 Message-ID: <h8d50tg7aql0eqbf3sf82aktvl6ng0pt4n@4ax.com>  E I am looking for anyone that has or has written a Control Library for ; Lexmark printers.  We print to HP and Lexmark printers overeD Multinet/IP.  I have a nice HP library but can find no control codes in the Lexmark documentation.   
 Will DeKroneye( To reply remove 'nospam' from my address   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:59:21 +0100 From: "Wim" <wim@rdc.nl>( Subject: shadow question SCSII <--> DSSI) Message-ID: <8tugca$vj$1@news1.xs4all.nl>    Hello   F We have a microvax 4100 with to disk cabinets, ( 1 SCSII and 1 DSSI ).: Is it possible to enable volume shadowing on this machine?  L Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MnteL  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntML MV4100$DKA0:            Mounted              0  DATA4          6975899     1 1lL MV4100$DKA100:          Mounted              0  DATA5          6975815     1 1-L MV4100$DKA200:          Mounted              0  DATA6          6975850     1 1VL MV4100$DKA300:          Mounted              0  DATA7          6975843     1 1oL MV4100$DKA500:          Mounted              0  DATA9          6975766     1 1oL MV4100$DKA600:          Mounted              0  DATA8          6975311     1 1tL $2$DIA0:      (DRIVE0)  Mounted              0  VAXVMSV0552    5968592   199 1DL $2$DIA1:      (DRIVE1)  Mounted              0  DATA1          6969137     1 1iL $2$DIA2:      (DRIVE2)  Mounted              0  DATA2          6686694     1 1 L $2$DIA3:      (DRIVE3)  Mounted              0  DATA3          2744224    29 1IL $2$DUA110:     (HSD10)  Mounted              0  DATA10         6714945     1   Regards Wimd   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:26:18 -0500'0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>, Subject: Re: shadow question SCSII <--> DSSI2 Message-ID: <VMoCOmVo2861BpVor1Ee9QB7=bOg@4ax.com>  ' Possibly.  Some questions come to mind:e     1.  What version of VMS?"   2.  How do you intend to shadow?.   3.  What kind of disks and their total size?  7 ... and you'll have to set ALLOCLASS to something others? than 0 in order to shadow.  Some additional steps are necessaryl for shadowing the system disk.   David R. Beattye  < On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:59:21 +0100, "Wim" <wim@rdc.nl> wrote:   >Hello >nG >We have a microvax 4100 with to disk cabinets, ( 1 SCSII and 1 DSSI ).g; >Is it possible to enable volume shadowing on this machine?i >gM >Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans  >MntM > Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks CountH >CntM >MV4100$DKA0:            Mounted              0  DATA4          6975899     1l >1M >MV4100$DKA100:          Mounted              0  DATA5          6975815     1l >1M >MV4100$DKA200:          Mounted              0  DATA6          6975850     1t >1M >MV4100$DKA300:          Mounted              0  DATA7          6975843     1i >1M >MV4100$DKA500:          Mounted              0  DATA9          6975766     1e >1M >MV4100$DKA600:          Mounted              0  DATA8          6975311     1S >1M >$2$DIA0:      (DRIVE0)  Mounted              0  VAXVMSV0552    5968592   199n >1M >$2$DIA1:      (DRIVE1)  Mounted              0  DATA1          6969137     1  >1M >$2$DIA2:      (DRIVE2)  Mounted              0  DATA2          6686694     1A >1M >$2$DIA3:      (DRIVE3)  Mounted              0  DATA3          2744224    29i >1M >$2$DUA110:     (HSD10)  Mounted              0  DATA10         6714945     1  >e >Regards Wim >a   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:57:52 GMTo% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) ! Subject: Re: Software source booke2 Message-ID: <3a029412.2144160049@news.newsguy.com>  7 On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 09:02:49 -0700, "Barry Treahy, Jr."t <Treahy@mmaz.com> wrote:  : >> CA-MANMAN has all of the above modules but again may beE >> overkill/overexpensed for your customer and is mainly targetted ati >> manufacturing companies.0 >>X >> http://www.interbiz.ca.com/Solutions/supply_chain/Manufacturing/MANMAN/MANMAN_DEC.htm >eY >Overkill in Price is right...  We've been running MANMAN since 1991 when it was owned byhR >ASK, but have not had it maintained because of CA & Oracle's draconian pricing...Z >Fortunately, we have the sources.  I'm a very strong believer in having access to systems >source code...c  D We have the source code as well but if you think MANMAN is expensiveE just look at SAP or most of the others. We reckon we would be lookingeC at between a 5:1 and 10:1 hike in costs if we went down this route.oE However I think we are one of the biggest MANMAN customers (worldwide F Fortune 500 company, not just this plant) and our negotiations with CAF and Oracle might sometimes have different outcomes to that reported by others.e   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:27:42 +0000g0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughero* Message-ID: <3A0276FE.25D95A6B@uk.sun.com>   "Nikita V. Belenki" wrote: > ? > "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in messages& > news:3A015B8C.7E954740@uk.sun.com... > M > > > For power users like yourself he'd prewarn you of the downtime schedules@ > > > and ask you at some convenient time to log out of the node) > > > you are using and into another one.AF > > Of course this is how you should do it, but sadly Kerrys marketingC > > homilly talked about the fact that people expect systems to run B > > with very low amounts of "scheduled" downtime. You are talkingE > > about using a process that Kerry somehow thinks OpenVMS magicallyu7 > > does not need to invoke, namely scheduling outages., > L > In this case there is no *outages*. Unless you count the logout+subsequentA > login time (at any moment convenient to the user) as an outage.0 >     = Of course if you don't count this as an outage then no outagen< occured, that obvious. However and this is the sting in the ; tail, if this is the criteria you are going to use then you 9 can acheive zero downtime (by this measure) in almost any < cluster technology I can think of and in fact you don't even need to cluster.  9 Of course telling people to log out or forcing people to  7 logout or killing and restarting processes elsewhere inK a cluster is sheduled downtime.F
 > > Of courseVC > > the let out for Kerry is that with 2 nodes or more in a clusteroA > > you only need to schedule downtime for the users or processessE > > attached to one of the nodes but given Curtis's example of havinguC > > to kick 1500 users off a node this won't cut much ice with many  > > IT professionals.v > K > And by the way, you haven't answered my question. Which users do you needg& > to "kick off" in the eBay's example? > ? Your question didn't seem worth answering since it had nothing 0 to do with the discusion.e   Regards  Andrew Harrisonp Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 17:33:12 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>' Subject: Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Nose : Message-ID: <szhM5.8433$Ho3.76126@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF4BF37E05.A6348C18-ON8325698B.0058611F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...5 > Well people... what can I say about  Sun x Compaq ?a >uJ > I am OpenVMS addicted but the company I am working for  will convert the	 > largestsF > database of the company from the OpenVMS servers (about 23) to a few0 > Enterprise 10000 running SAP, in January/2002. > K > So ? Will be 450.000 - 23 Compaq Customers or 10.000.000 - 30.000 users ?A >I > What do you think ?5  K I think the Compaq sales rep in the account in question ought to be invitediL to a "Come To Jesus" meeting to explain to senior Compaq management just how' and why Compaq ceded an account to Sun.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:40:11 +0000-0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's Noseo* Message-ID: <3A02B22B.E8599058@uk.sun.com>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > < > In article <szhM5.8433$Ho3.76126@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,< >     "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >  > > : > > <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageJ > > news:OF4BF37E05.A6348C18-ON8325698B.0058611F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...8 > >> Well people... what can I say about  Sun x Compaq ? > >>M > >> I am OpenVMS addicted but the company I am working for  will convert them > >> largestI > >> database of the company from the OpenVMS servers (about 23) to a fewT3 > >> Enterprise 10000 running SAP, in January/2002.o > >>N > >> So ? Will be 450.000 - 23 Compaq Customers or 10.000.000 - 30.000 users ? > >> > >> What do you think ? > >-O > > I think the Compaq sales rep in the account in question ought to be invitedyP > > to a "Come To Jesus" meeting to explain to senior Compaq management just how+ > > and why Compaq ceded an account to Sun.r > >e > N >     I don't see VMS listed as a supported platform for SAP, so sticking withJ > VMS wouldn't appear to be an option. Perhaps instead of scapegoating theP > sales rep someone should ask those higher up in Compaq management what they're! > doing to remedy that situation.c  G SAP R3/R4 isn't available for OpenVMS, but it is available on Tru64 so sD though the battle was already lost as far as OpenVMS is concerned it wasn't for Compaq as a whole.t    M >     Personally, I would applaud a customer who is forced to abandon VMS duetM > to lack of software availability choosing a non-Compaq platform. The battleh& > cry of any good VMS bigot should be: > ) >      "Give me VMS or give me Sun!!" :-)t >   & Possibly the customer heard your call.   Regards  Andrew Harrisonn Enterprise IT ArchitectA   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:25:08 -0600# From: "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net>x' Subject: Re: Sun Bloodies Compaq's NoseW/ Message-ID: <t05pn62nv58e65@corp.supernews.com>I  ? "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message 6 news:P1AM5.14736$Cn4.166292@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...   [snippo]   > Andrew speaks the truth here.p  & Everyone makes a mistake now and then.   Mark   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 11:25:18 -0500?* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)- Subject: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platformu+ Message-ID: <HQDR3IggaAVy@eisner.decus.org>a  ;         Here is one for you all.  Seems that Sun's claim toe?         fame in this HPC world is "we do super compooters too!"44         See how IBM is getting nice press yesterday:  H http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3368720.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni  @         And Sun like the Big Dogs, has hpc easily found on their         Web site:    http://www.sun.com/hpc  0         See the UE10000 proudly displayed there?  B         But in the category of "Whoops!"  Guess what?  Some suckerA         was trying to use UE10000 as a HPC platform.  Funny, huh?0  D         The flagship UE10000 HPC entry is number 133 and found here:  # http://www.top500.org/list/2000/11/D  @         See that is a November list above?  Guess what, it isn'tE         even in production!  They are holding out for mirrored cache.n  ! http://nf.apac.edu.au/facilities//  M The initial configuration of the APAC peak computing system failed acceptancetF tests in September 2000, so the process of acquiring a system has beenK restarted. It hoped there will be system available by the second quarter of  2001.   L In future APAC may negotiate with APAC partners to facilitate user access to& systems with different architectures.   A         Sad, isn't it?  They actually thought they could keep 25622         Ultra CPUs going long enough to be usable.  K         Maybe if someone had circed you that Gartner report you would have  K         chosen another vendor.  Maybe you want to give the Verisign gent a  "         call and swap war stories:  6 http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2000/1113/6613068a_3.html  M "Last November Verisign Global Registry Services, a domain name registry, wasyO down for two hours after a crucial Sun box crashed. Verisign complained but gotML no explanation. Months later an executive at Verisign ran across the Gartner
 bulletin."  M "I said to Sun, 'My God, you knew about this problem, and you didn't tell me?aL That's unconscionable,' " he says.Verisign still uses Sun for some tasks but8 has moved important systems onto IBM Unix servers.        @         Get over it pal... Scotty Uptime doesn't care about your         problems ya whiner!!!n   ---p  A         Quite a select group we are gathering here, eh?  Maybe wed>         can give 'em a name.  Help me out here folks.  Got any+         creative nmaes for the ecache club?-  #                                 Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:51:30 -0500e) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>-1 Subject: RE: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A622E@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----B > From: young_r@eisner.decus.org [mailto:young_r@eisner.decus.org]A         Quite a select group we are gathering here, eh?  Maybe weR>         can give 'em a name.  Help me out here folks.  Got any+         creative nmaes for the ecache club?e  0 If there is any justice in this world (which is - doubtful), the most appropriate name would bes 'former SUN customers'.i   Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:04:18 -0200b) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 1 Subject: RE: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platformnL Message-ID: <OF2C0F3E0C.FCDEC487-ON8325698C.006329A0@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  K I believe this:  Former SUN Customers will not be new OpenVMS customers....s   Will be HP-UX, AIX, Tru64 ....     Fabio C.              : "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> em 03/11/2000 14:51:30L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: RE: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform            >                                                                                > -----Original Message-----B > From: young_r@eisner.decus.org [mailto:young_r@eisner.decus.org]A         Quite a select group we are gathering here, eh?  Maybe wei>         can give 'em a name.  Help me out here folks.  Got any+         creative nmaes for the ecache club?   / If there is any justice in this world (which ise- doubtful), the most appropriate name would bea 'former SUN customers'.x   Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 18:09:56 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platforma* Message-ID: <3A02FF74.90756453@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > = >         Here is one for you all.  Seems that Sun's claim to A >         fame in this HPC world is "we do super compooters too!"h6 >         See how IBM is getting nice press yesterday: > J > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3368720.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni > B >         And Sun like the Big Dogs, has hpc easily found on their >         Web site:  >  > http://www.sun.com/hpc > 2 >         See the UE10000 proudly displayed there? > D >         But in the category of "Whoops!"  Guess what?  Some suckerC >         was trying to use UE10000 as a HPC platform.  Funny, huh?o > F >         The flagship UE10000 HPC entry is number 133 and found here: >   : Hey Rob are you trying to get the dumb posting of the year award.  ? Compaqs flagship server the GS320 is at 237 on the list !!!!!!!s? so what was your point or did you just doze off at the keyboarde@ and wake up to find that someone had writen this drivel for you.    % > http://www.top500.org/list/2000/11/r > B >         See that is a November list above?  Guess what, it isn'tG >         even in production!  They are holding out for mirrored cache.o >   : Your comprehension diffculties now seem tied in last place< with two other frequent posters on this group. Or the person: leaning over your shoulder who typed as you slept is also  similarly challenged.n  8 Had you not noticed that numbers 133 to 143 on the list 5 are all E10000's and although the one at 133 isn't int; production others are. In fact of course they all tied for 1< 133 on the list bacause they are all the same configuration 8 and therefore have the same RMAX/RPEEK score or did you  not spot that either.7  9 Incedentally and you do get the dumb posting for this the0: Compaq GS320 cluster is not listed as being in production  either.   " http://www.asc.hpc.mil/ascmsrc.htm  3 Even more dumb the top Compaq system outside Compaq0; 128 ES40's installed at Livermore Labs isn't in production o> either the TeraCluster 2000 is due to come into production at  the end of this year.   7 The Oak Ridge system is an evaluation system, the ES40  4 cluster at Pitsburg is still being installed. Do you really want me to go on.    8 Rob you really know how to score own goals your posting 8 probably takes the biscuit for the most idiotic attempt   to FUD Sun that backfired badly.    : You really need to secure your account, someone is posting4 articles from it to make you look silly. :):):):):).   Regards  Andrew Harrisono Enterprise IT Architectr   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:39:00 -0800n! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comO1 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform D Message-ID: <OF9C9BEFD2.628D5C08-ON8825698C.00666EFF@foundation.com>   Suckers.   Shane           > young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) on 11/03/2000 08:25:18 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms cc:n  . Subject:  Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform        ;         Here is one for you all.  Seems that Sun's claim toF?         fame in this HPC world is "we do super compooters too!"o4         See how IBM is getting nice press yesterday:  I http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3368720.html?tag=st.ne.1002.tgif.ni m@         And Sun like the Big Dogs, has hpc easily found on their         Web site:    http://www.sun.com/hpc  0         See the UE10000 proudly displayed there?  B         But in the category of "Whoops!"  Guess what?  Some suckerA         was trying to use UE10000 as a HPC platform.  Funny, huh?d  D         The flagship UE10000 HPC entry is number 133 and found here:  # http://www.top500.org/list/2000/11/   @         See that is a November list above?  Guess what, it isn'tE         even in production!  They are holding out for mirrored cache.d  ! http://nf.apac.edu.au/facilities/6  B The initial configuration of the APAC peak computing system failed
 acceptanceF tests in September 2000, so the process of acquiring a system has beenK restarted. It hoped there will be system available by the second quarter ofD 2001.   I In future APAC may negotiate with APAC partners to facilitate user accessT to% systems with different architectures.   A         Sad, isn't it?  They actually thought they could keep 25612         Ultra CPUs going long enough to be usable.  J         Maybe if someone had circed you that Gartner report you would haveJ         chosen another vendor.  Maybe you want to give the Verisign gent a"         call and swap war stories:  6 http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2000/1113/6613068a_3.html  I "Last November Verisign Global Registry Services, a domain name registry,z was K down for two hours after a crucial Sun box crashed. Verisign complained butk gotvD no explanation. Months later an executive at Verisign ran across the Gartnera
 bulletin."  I "I said to Sun, 'My God, you knew about this problem, and you didn't tellM me?CH That's unconscionable,' " he says.Verisign still uses Sun for some tasks butw2 has moved important systems onto IBM Unix servers.  @         Get over it pal... Scotty Uptime doesn't care about your         problems ya whiner!!!y   ---   A         Quite a select group we are gathering here, eh?  Maybe we >         can give 'em a name.  Help me out here folks.  Got any+         creative nmaes for the ecache club?e  #                                 Robd   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 19:05:45 +0100a* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears* Message-ID: <3a02fe79$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <39dd80e2.71178799@news.hccnet.nl>, a.koopman@markgraaf.nl.nospam (Adri Koopman) writes:-F >Had the same problem on my mVAX 3100. Could not install the TCPIP_ECOG >kit, neither after applying VAXUPDATE1_072, allthough the PCSI version F >was V7.2-101. The readme said that there were problems with V7.2-100,G >so I thought that the ECO would install. I contacted DEC support aboute >that problem and they send me< >DEC-VAXVMS-VMS72_PCSI-A0100--4.PCSI-DCX_VAXEXE, which is anB >upgrade/patch to PCSI, which brings it to version V7.2-108. After< >applying this kit, I was able to install the TCPIP_ECO kit.  D Did anyone know, what has happened to the final version of this kit.D The target date (1-nov) passed by, and I'm still not able to install' the ECO 1 for TCPIP V5.0A on my VAXes ?    Please !   -Peter  0 PS: God, how I like my TCPware (on my server)... -- t< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:38:02 GMTa% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)g0 Subject: Re: the lights are out at Northernlight2 Message-ID: <3a02b00d.2151323369@news.newsguy.com>  @ On Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:49:37 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:l  M >I just fired up Netscape V3.03 on the old Alphastation to do a search.  I'veiM >been using Northernlight since they so proudly hail the use of OpenVMS Alpha 7 >on their main page.  Sadly, I find myself staring at: n >s >  vvv---  grammar??? I >------------------------------------------------------------------------a> >//the writes the channel changer for northernlight.com pages.   Etc...  F I can confirm that's what I see as well. The good news is that MozillaB M18 on VMS has no problem with the page and displays it correctly.@ Although if this is not an option for you for any reason I guess that's not much help.s  @ If you want to use Mozilla I'd set the skin to classic or modernA (EDIT=>PREFERENCES=>APPEARANCE=>THEMES) as the default BLUE looks-B terrible to my eyes anyway. Turn off JAVA as well as otherwise you8 will crash on any JAVA pages. JAVASCRIPT is fine though.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 10:33:28 -0500 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>0 Subject: Re: the lights are out at Northernlight; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001103094425.01a9ad50@24.8.96.48>w  ? At 08:49 PM 11/2/00 +0000, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:uM >I just fired up Netscape V3.03 on the old Alphastation to do a search.  I've M >been using Northernlight since they so proudly hail the use of OpenVMS Alphag6 >on their main page.  Sadly, I find myself staring at: >p >   vvv---  grammar???I >------------------------------------------------------------------------s> >//the writes the channel changer for northernlight.com pages.  K I think that's the survey thing that's occasionally in there. It generally pK isn't around, and you're right, it doesn't work with Netscape 3.0x because 0 it's javascript stuff's busted.   * >So, I disable JavaScript and I try again. >cM >I then decided to leave a message about this issue to NorthernLight at their M >link /docs/gen_help_comments.html.  On this page is a form selection for thei3 >operating system in use.  Here are the selections:d >n >   Windows 95 >   Windows 98 >   Windows NT >   Windows 2000 >   Windows 3.1e
 >   MacintoshF >   UNIX >8L >Notice anything missing?  What does this say about NorthernLight?  They use+ >VMS but they don't expect anybody else to?p  K Pretty much nobody else does, honestly. You know that--how many people are tI surfing from VMS boxes? (Granted, Netscape 3 makes it really painful...) TJ You'll notice that many other smallish base OSes aren't there either. (No  Amiga, for example)a  G Drop a polite note to the customer service folks, though, and I expect  H someone'll get it fixed up. (If they don't then drop me a note and I'll  grumble at people)   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------o2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and eveni;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 17:47:29 GMTq= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 0 Subject: Re: the lights are out at Northernlight0 Message-ID: <009F291C.B07BBEED@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <5.0.0.25.0.20001103094425.01a9ad50@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:@ >At 08:49 PM 11/2/00 +0000, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:N >>I just fired up Netscape V3.03 on the old Alphastation to do a search.  I'veN >>been using Northernlight since they so proudly hail the use of OpenVMS Alpha7 >>on their main page.  Sadly, I find myself staring at:  >> >>   vvv---  grammar???eJ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------? >>//the writes the channel changer for northernlight.com pages.S >BL >I think that's the survey thing that's occasionally in there. It generally L >isn't around, and you're right, it doesn't work with Netscape 3.0x because   >it's javascript stuff's busted.  I Not if the SCRIPT is in-lined.  For such a short script, I don't see why s its not.   >e+ >>So, I disable JavaScript and I try again.  >>N >>I then decided to leave a message about this issue to NorthernLight at theirN >>link /docs/gen_help_comments.html.  On this page is a form selection for the4 >>operating system in use.  Here are the selections: >> >>   Windows 95  >>   Windows 98s >>   Windows NT  >>   Windows 2000  >>   Windows 3.1 >>   Macintosh	 >>   UNIXr >>M >>Notice anything missing?  What does this say about NorthernLight?  They uset, >>VMS but they don't expect anybody else to? >hL >Pretty much nobody else does, honestly. You know that--how many people are J >surfing from VMS boxes? (Granted, Netscape 3 makes it really painful...) K >You'll notice that many other smallish base OSes aren't there either. (No a >Amiga, for example) >hH >Drop a polite note to the customer service folks, though, and I expect   : Already did.  Not even an achnowledgement of receiving it.  I >someone'll get it fixed up. (If they don't then drop me a note and I'll T >grumble at people)o  6 ... and what makes you think you can change the world?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             2O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:25:41 -0500y" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>0 Subject: Re: the lights are out at Northernlight; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001103132135.01ab5630@24.8.96.48>   ? At 05:47 PM 11/3/00 +0000, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:aJ >In article <5.0.0.25.0.20001103094425.01a9ad50@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski  ><dan@sidhe.org> writes:B > >At 08:49 PM 11/2/00 +0000, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:C > >>I just fired up Netscape V3.03 on the old Alphastation to do a 3 > search.  I've K > >>been using Northernlight since they so proudly hail the use of OpenVMS a > Alphaf9 > >>on their main page.  Sadly, I find myself staring at:l > >> > >>   vvv---  grammar???oL > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------A > >>//the writes the channel changer for northernlight.com pages.l > >aM > >I think that's the survey thing that's occasionally in there. It generally M > >isn't around, and you're right, it doesn't work with Netscape 3.0x because " > >it's javascript stuff's busted. > I >Not if the SCRIPT is in-lined.  For such a short script, I don't see whyp	 >its not.h  L Joy. NS 3.0 is broken in a few ways. If it can't handle scripts loaded that > way it ought not try. But it's a touch late to deal with that.  H The script's not inlined because it's easier to change things that way. A Plus browsers not doing javascript won't load it, so it's faster.d  - > >>So, I disable JavaScript and I try again.C > >>K > >>I then decided to leave a message about this issue to NorthernLight at   > theiriI > >>link /docs/gen_help_comments.html.  On this page is a form selection e	 > for the 6 > >>operating system in use.  Here are the selections: > >> > >>   Windows 95e > >>   Windows 98m > >>   Windows NTG > >>   Windows 2000i > >>   Windows 3.1 > >>   Macintosh > >>   UNIXu > >>O > >>Notice anything missing?  What does this say about NorthernLight?  They use . > >>VMS but they don't expect anybody else to? > >-M > >Pretty much nobody else does, honestly. You know that--how many people arecK > >surfing from VMS boxes? (Granted, Netscape 3 makes it really painful...)gL > >You'll notice that many other smallish base OSes aren't there either. (No > >Amiga, for example) > >mI > >Drop a polite note to the customer service folks, though, and I expect. > ; >Already did.  Not even an achnowledgement of receiving it.    You'll get one--give 'em time.  J > >someone'll get it fixed up. (If they don't then drop me a note and I'll > >grumble at people)  > 7 >... and what makes you think you can change the world?   # Oooh, a philosophical question! :-)   I More seriously, I work there. I can't officially promise anything, but I  ( can go rattle some cages here and there.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunkB   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:53:37 -0000# From: "Paul Hardy" <Paul@lsl.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Time Zone' Message-ID: <eas*nmkGo@relay.lsl.co.uk>    Bill Gunshannon  writes: > E >What do you mean the US date is out of synch??  We invented Daylight H >Savings Time.  It's the rest of the world that's out of sync!!  :-) :-)    L Sorry, you didn't. The USA introduced it in 1918, but Britain had previouslyH brought it in in 1916, following a campain over several years by WilliamK Willett (1865-1915). As he was taking an early morning a ride through Petts G Wood, near Orpington, Willett was struck by the fact that the blinds of F nearby houses were closed, even though the Sun was fully risen. In hisI pamphlet "The Waste of Daylight" he wrote "Everyone appreciates the long,eI light evenings. Everyone laments their shortage as Autumn approaches; and.I everyone has given utterance to regret that the clear, bright light of an3I early morning during Spring and Summer months is so seldom seen or used".   
 So there !  
 Paul Hardy   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:35:44 -0500o2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Time Zone7 Message-ID: <200011030735_MC2-B97F-DC20@compuserve.com>0  .         Why lose sleep?  Just run a batch job!  & Message text written by "Robert Meyer"G >When the time changed this past weekend, the only server needing a set  clock J was the Alpha server operating 7.2.  Is there a parameter in sysgen for t= heA Time Zone.  I would like to sleep in next time the time changes.<    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 16:23:44 GMTa, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com Subject: Re: Time Zone) Message-ID: <8tuoq7$gdj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  ' In article <eas*nmkGo@relay.lsl.co.uk>, &   "Paul Hardy" <Paul@lsl.co.uk> wrote:C > Sorry, you didn't. The USA introduced it in 1918, but Britain had 
 previouslyB > brought it in in 1916, following a campain over several years by WilliamiG > Willett (1865-1915). As he was taking an early morning a ride throughi PettseF > Wood, near Orpington, Willett was struck by the fact that the blinds ofH > nearby houses were closed, even though the Sun was fully risen. In hisE > pamphlet "The Waste of Daylight" he wrote "Everyone appreciates thea long,iG > light evenings. Everyone laments their shortage as Autumn approaches;e and E > everyone has given utterance to regret that the clear, bright lighth of an.D > early morning during Spring and Summer months is so seldom seen or used".  E Ah, that explains a lot.  So, in typical British fashion, rather thaniE just getting up an hour earlier and opening shops and schools an hourpF earlier, they moved the sun in the sky.  How omnipotent!  Gad, an hour1 earlier?  That would thoroughly flummox tea time!c  G As a colonist, I can forgive the Brits for a lot of things, but I don'ts@ know if I'll ever forgive them for this monstrosity!  Thanks for bringing it to my attention!  E Are there any grass-roots movements to abolish Daylight Stoopid Time?uB I know we're way off topic here, but what the heck...  I ask every
 chance I get!l   Aarone --  OpenVMS: the OS MS wanted NT 2B.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:35:46 -0500e2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: TLZ tapes7 Message-ID: <200011030736_MC2-B97F-DC21@compuserve.com>r  J         Do you make your backups with /VERIFY?  You should!  It's your on= ly- assurance that you have made a readable tape.@  J         If you make unreadable tapes on a regular basis, you have some so= rtC of problem with your hardware, your tapes, your tape storage, drive  cleaning procedures, etc.i  J         I have made more than a few backups using both a TLZ04 and a TLZ0= 6oG drive.  I don't recall ever having had a problem with unreadable tapes!   ' Message text written by Nivlesh ChandrasF >We backup our data on TLZ tapes. But sometimes when I try and recover data, F I cannot read the label of the tape and thus cannot see what is on the tapes/J and do not have any other resort but either reinitialise the tape and use=   itG again or throw it (if it is of no use anymore) .... either way I end upmJ losing data ..is there any way whereby I will be able to read the data on=  J the tape even though its label cannot be read... or maybe just rewrite th= e0 label of the tape ...??u    $ Your help will be really appreciated <C   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 11:00:25 GMT1= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)t Subject: RE: Use P1 in PIPEc0 Message-ID: <009F28E3.D2D631C0@SendSpamHere.ORG>  @ In article <3a02a51f.0@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>, rok@nuk.uni-lj.si writes:) >In Article <8tsv18$2q2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e >trdorr@my-deja.com writes:05 >>I want to search with a different string each time.r% >>Is it possible to use P1 with PIPE?l >> >>TYPE SHOWSYS.COM >>$!FILE: SHOWSYS.COMt. >>$ PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | SEARCH SYS$INPUT "'p1'" >t" > Do you find anything wrong with: >e1 >$ SHOWSYS:== PIPE SHOW SYSTEM | SEARCH SYS$INPUTy  F Looks like proper PIPE syntax to me.  You'll get an error if there is D nothing supplied on the command line after $ SHOWSYS but I'd bet you can live with it.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:35:42 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files7 Message-ID: <200011030735_MC2-B97F-DC1E@compuserve.com>e  J         Ok, it has been years since I used it but there is a pair of DECn= etJ utilities which can be used to bounce packets off a remote node and colle= ct  statistics on timing and errors.   $ RUN SYS$SYSTEM: DTSEND& _TEST: CONNECT /NODENAME=3Dnode /PRINT/ _TEST: DATA /NODENAME=3Dnode /PRINT /STATISTICSe  B See "DECnet for OpenVMS Network Management Utilities", part numberE AA-PV61A-TK (old number for an old manual; it's what I have at home).e  J This requires that the remote node NOT have been locked down; i.e. you ne= edH a default DECNET account or some equivalent on the remote node.  I thinkF that the appropriate DECnet object must also be enabled (NOT have been1 DISabled) on the remote node.   It's worth a try.@J If you specify /SPEED on the commands, and you know the speed of the link= ,m3 the program will calculate some statistics for you.s  J In the mean time, if the electronic link remains unreliable you might try=  J something like sending TK50 tapes via the U.S. Snail and see if that stir= sm; anyone to do anything.  Or other guerilla warfare to taste.   3 Message text written by INTERNET:old_timer@user.vmsu7 >In article <200010302141_MC2-B904-A9C@compuserve.com>:I  = >        MAIL is not usually the best tool for sending files.h  J Yes, I know.   I won't go into the frustrating details, but suffice it to=   sayhD that MAIL is the only access permitted due to decisions (now cast in	 concrete)i2 that were made long before I arrived on the scene.  % >I would prefer to use DECnet copy; =C  > >e.g. COPY FILE.DAT NODENM"user password"::DISK:[DIR.SUB].   =  . >The username and password are not required if5 >you have a network login proxy on the remote node. =w    > Thanks for the suggestion; I was already familiar with that... unfortunately IsD can't even try it to get additional evidence because I don't have an
 account on the remote node.  J >As an unprivileged user, you may not have the necessary access to really=   >>diagnose the problem.m  J Access to the remote node is a real problem, but privileged access to the=   local.E node is not.  I know the guy who has the system password and he'll dom
 anything IH ask.  That's the good news.  The bad news is, he has less VMS experience than menD (the experienced VMS guy left the company when they outsourced).  If anybody cansF tell me what what diagnostic commands to issue or what config files to browse IJ can post the details.  Again, any help is very much appreciated.  If I ca= n- nailJ this thing down, it will be sweet to debunk the "network bandwidth" answe= r.     <.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:06:08 GMT  From: abirkett@my-deja.com# Subject: Vaxstation 4000 halt codes ) Message-ID: <8tu9nd$3j2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   H Just a quick question for you guys - what are the meanings of the 3 halt# codes (1-3) on the VAxStation 4000?i   Thanks,c   Adee   --D Intelligence is being able to listen to the William Tell overture...4               ...without thinking of the Lone Ranger    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:50:54 -0600 (CST)0 From: sms@antinode.org' Subject: Re: Vaxstation 4000 halt codesR) Message-ID: <00110308505399@antinode.org>s      "abirkett@my-deja.com":  J > Just a quick question for you guys - what are the meanings of the 3 halt% > codes (1-3) on the VAxStation 4000?c     On the 3100:      1 = Restart
    2 = RebootI    3 = Halts  H    2 and 3 are useful.  1 is a mystery, and may not be supported by VMS.  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)-C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work).G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)r9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)h   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 16:56:35 GMTI* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)' Subject: Re: Vaxstation 4000 halt codesi. Message-ID: <8tuqo3$li7$2@info.service.rug.nl>  C In article <00110308505399@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes: e   >   On the 3100: >  >    1 = Restart >    2 = Rebooti
 >    3 = Halti > J >    2 and 3 are useful.  1 is a mystery, and may not be supported by VMS.  E Some old systems would have batteries and keep the RAM charged for a iG while.  Restart would then start from this memory configuration.  Nice c for brief power outages.  " At least, I think this is correct.  8 I think some new laptops have rediscovered this feature.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:37:54 -0500 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>' Subject: Re: Vaxstation 4000 halt codess2 Message-ID: <mfcCOkwlsVkdj2CA40v=gacOgHcQ@4ax.com>  > If memory serves, Restart allow a system to reboot on power-upC after initialization and still allow the ability to halt the system"; from the console -- and it's definitely supported by VMS, Iv used it on VAX 4000 systems.  A On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 08:50:54 -0600 (CST), sms@antinode.org wrote:    >   "abirkett@my-deja.com":  >nK >> Just a quick question for you guys - what are the meanings of the 3 halt & >> codes (1-3) on the VAxStation 4000? >e >  On the 3100:  >u >   1 = Restartg >   2 = Reboot >   3 = Halt >sI >   2 and 3 are useful.  1 is a mystery, and may not be supported by VMS.1 >0I >------------------------------------------------------------------------  >1D >   Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)D >   382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)H >   Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work): >   sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 15:57:52 GMT-, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?) Message-ID: <8tun9r$evd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  + In article <VA.00000148.090ea457@sture.ch>,n   paul@sture.ch wrote: :, : G > Thanks for the link. At 105,283,584 bytes, folks on dial up lines may.+ > want to wait for cheap weekend rates. :-)a >o > ___p > Paul Sture
 > Switzerland.   ROTFLMAO!  Sorry 'bout that!  G However, you may want to drop them a note to see if they can ship you asC copy on CD.  I know they've sent an eval copy to folks in my officen* before, albeit for a different platform...   Best,y Aaron  --  OpenVMS: the OS MS wanted NT 2B.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 10:58:35 +0100a* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)" Subject: Re: What OpenVMS version?* Message-ID: <3a028c4b$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  R In article <3A029713.744A1A@tch.pl>, Michal Grotthuss <michalg@tch.com.pl> writes:E >Does anybody know what is the highest supported OpenVMS version that A >might be run on DEC 3000/M800 machine with the lastest installeda >firmware (i.e. v 5.8)?h  " All OpenVMS Alpha Versions so far.' See http://www.digital.com/info/SP2501/l  H >I have already upgraded my system on such a machine from 6.2 to 7.2-1h1! >and not all seems to be correct.o  * Not surprising. Thats what ECOs are for...  F >For example simple "$sh user" command from time to time gives effectsC >like this (please set fixed width font on your browser to see it):  > 
 >$ sh user8 >      OpenVMS User Processes at  2-NOV-2000 12:26:48.179 >    Total number of users = 6,  number of processes = 13  >e2 > Username         Interactive  Subprocess   Batch# >                       3         1l > DLUGOBORSKA           2g > KAPICA                1. > MICHAS                28# > MIZERSKI              2         1, > WALCZAK               1a >[snip]aH >Does anybody know what could it mean? Do I need to downgrade my OpenVMSD >version? If so, what is the highest version I may install on my DEC >3000/M800 machine?rI >Please send an answer also to private address i.e. michalg@tch.com.pl or  >michalg@tch.pl.  ; I've seen such effects on my OpenVMS V7.2-1 systems, too !! " But I didn't nail it down, so far.C And this includes AS2100 5/250, AS200 4/166, AS250 4/266, PWS433au.gE Maybe I've already seen it on OpenVMS VAX V7.2 (though I'm not sure).-  D So it is a bug in VMS (and seems not related to hardware) and should< be told to your VMS support channel (maybe with escalation).   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888c< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Nov 2000 08:40:26 -0500t9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)c" Subject: Re: What OpenVMS version?+ Message-ID: <paG6pLGYUcNh@eisner.decus.org>   R In article <3A029713.744A1A@tch.pl>, Michal Grotthuss <michalg@tch.com.pl> writes:  F > Does anybody know what is the highest supported OpenVMS version thatB > might be run on DEC 3000/M800 machine with the lastest installed > firmware (i.e. v 5.8)?  C I do not believe VMS support has been dropped from any Alpha model,t: so the cannonical answer is "the latest released version".  @ For VAX, support has been dropped for several models such as theC 11/780 introduced 22 years ago and the MicroVAX I released 15 yearsd@ ago.  Someone from DEC said that no efforts were made to disable@ support for the older VAXen, but they were no longer testing new released on those models.o  E As for the problems you described, presumably the reason you used the C term "supported" is that you want a version that Compaq will fix ife, it develops problems on the machine you use.  B I believe there are graphics adapters that are no longer supported( for your model with the latest software.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:37:15 +0100> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>3 Subject: Re: Windows NT to OpenVMS access questionsa. Message-ID: <8tu7re$4qk$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  0 "CasinoOp2" <casinoop2@aol.com> wrote in message4 news:20001102142654.12753.00000498@ng-fi1.aol.com...) > >Do you have the appropriate licenses ?r >nG > Yes, the licenses in question are loaded (Show License PW* lists two,t$ > PWLMXXXCA7.02 and PWXXWINAT07.01).  K You should see your licenses with admin/license (mc PWRK$LICENSE_MANAGER ona	 older PW)a    > > >Did you configure the Pathworks licensing agent on the pc ? >nI > I installed Pathworks and as best I can recall all went ok. But I don't0 recall5 > a separate configuring step for the license server.   H License management can be on the pc too. network properties -> PathworksF Licensing Agent -> Prperties button. You find the names of the licenseH the client would like to load. sometimes they do not match with the ones1 you have on vms, so change them here at pc level.   - It is not the immediate problem for you here.,     >iB > >Do you have warnings or error in the pc's pathworks event log ? >wI > There are many entries in the Pathwork logs. The ones with a red X justl say "NotL > license servers are available to satify request". Double-clicking does not& > bring up anything that really helps.  J You mus check that your pathworks configuation has enabled license servingF (admin/config IIRC). The event log viewer is telling you nobody on the networks is able to give a license.  L I suppose you have checked basic things like the transports. What transports= did you select ? ip ? if ip, do your systems see each other ?-       Cheers Jean-Franois Marchal, X9000 - LYON (FR)4   ------------------------------   Date: 03 Nov 2000 18:45:13 GMT# From: casinoop2@aol.com (CasinoOp2)33 Subject: Re: Windows NT to OpenVMS access questionss: Message-ID: <20001103134513.06376.00000868@ng-fi1.aol.com>   >eL >You should see your licenses with admin/license (mc PWRK$LICENSE_MANAGER on
 >older PW)  L Yes, I see these listed. Group "default", no server-based or client licenses however.    I >License management can be on the pc too. network properties -> Pathworks-G >Licensing Agent -> Prperties button. You find the names of the license@I >the client would like to load. sometimes they do not match with the onesp2 >you have on vms, so change them here at pc level. > . >It is not the immediate problem for you here. >y  O I checked and they are the same except the PC insists on putting "DEC-" infrontt% of the name (ie, DEC-PWLMXXXCA07.02).e    K >You mus check that your pathworks configuation has enabled license servinggG >(admin/config IIRC). The event log viewer is telling you nobody on theh	 >networks  >is able to give a license.e  N I get "client capacity 20". Under transports I have checked DECnet and TCP/IP.* However, nothing is checked under NetBIOS.    M >I suppose you have checked basic things like the transports. What transportss> >did you select ? ip ? if ip, do your systems see each other ?  L I THINK I have check the basics. The system "see" each other in as much as I- can logon using PowerTerm 525 or ReflectionX.o   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.615 ************************