1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 05 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 619       Contents:F Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support- HELP ME: a short survey for course assignment " Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? Re: Java on Openvms  Re: PDF under OpenVMS / Re: Print from VMS to NT/lpr Print server Howto / Re: Print from VMS to NT/lpr Print server Howto / Re: Print from VMS to NT/lpr Print server Howto  shadow question SCSII <--> DSSI  Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk  Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk  Re: What OpenVMS version?  Re: What OpenVMS version?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 19:02:58 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au O Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support 5 Message-ID: <01JW6WUULLYQ0067V2@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   ! In reply to nobody in particular.   I We have OS wars (anything with Sun or ebay in the subject line is dead),   language wars and editor wars.  P In this thread which has become an editor war, we seem to be moving through EDT D and EVE, though SOS and Emacs have been brought into the discussion.  P When I moved to VMS, TPU was the first/only editor I used.  Quite often editors O are a pain in the proverbial.  We have people here saying xxx editor does this   and yyy does not.   P To me, an editor is something that just changes my source file.  I frustrate my P colleagues when they use my session to try to edit a file.  I have no whiz-bang  this or that, keys, etc.    J My first editor was on an IBM system back in the 1960's.  Non-interactive Q editing was done by quoting a line number and/or a character within the line and   working from that point.  O Quite often, I find that the more I have to think when editing, the more I get   right.  And vice versa.   I In .au, 1, 2 cents = 0; 3, 4, 5 cents = 5 cents.  Choose the cents worth.    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 00:56:20 +0800 & From: Brian Yung <byobitman@yahoo.com>6 Subject: HELP ME: a short survey for course assignment) Message-ID: <3A059134.8CD6073B@yahoo.com>   - HELP ME: a short survey for course assignment    http://come.to/byresearch   H I am a university student and doing a short survey (only 7 questions) on management studies.   D I would like to get more responses. So, your participation is highlyG appreciated. Please click in http://come.to/byresearch and help me fill  out the form.    Thank you in advance.   
 Brian Yung   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2000 09:49:46 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: How to boost DLT backup speed? + Message-ID: <+M2LMF2ONiYS@eisner.decus.org>   N In article <VA.00000153.148784b9@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:F > In article <3a01887d.2075658639@news.newsguy.com>, Alan Greig wrote:  I >> Me: I'm suspicous enough about our off site data storage company, Even H >> more suspicous now that they've changed their name from Data Vault to9 >> Iron Mountain. Or Iron Maiden as we call them here ;-)   ? That sounds like an acquisition, as the offsite storage company ? Iron Mountain has been doing business in the Boston area for at  least 10 years.   D > Back when I was working in the oil industry, there was a security K > clampdown because some seismological data (read expensive), mysteriously  L > appeared in the public domain. I don't know what happened in the end, but J > it made me question the wisdom of trusting third parties with sensitive  > data.   A For a time period described as "back when", the encryption option > to VMS Backup was adequate.  For modern times I do not believe# they have updated it to Triple DES.    ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2000 13:38:50 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)  Subject: Re: Java on Openvms' Message-ID: <8u3nta$cnc$1@joe.rice.edu>   ! Paul Sture (paul@sture.ch) wrote:   K : What a mess! Can you say DLL Hell? (Hint: there was/is a lengthy article  * : on the MS site with that in the title).   > http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/server/asp/server102599.asp) Web Workshop - Troubleshooting Components   4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Nov 2000 09:40:21 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)  Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <d2ge6QTLxdhM@eisner.decus.org>   o In article <rjqpukaddbo.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes: 9 > "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:  > L >> I know this is hard for people to accept - but we have no choice.  It hasO >> already been done on Tru64 UNIX, and we have committed to Adobe to remove it O >> from OpenVMS in all future releases.  Our hands are completely tied on this, O >> we have no choice in the matter.  It is not simply a matter of support (that H >> reference was in regard to prior versions of VMS/Motif already in theK >> field), we no longer have the right to continue shipping the proprietary L >> Adobe software  in new versions.  It is not a VMS conspiracy, as I said -$ >> this also happened to Tru64 UNIX. > 9 > SO after another vendor sharfts you and your user base, : > you then 'help' people by useing the shafters Proprietry4 > Dumbass Format? *THAT* is ( and was ) the problem.  / Postscript and PDF are not proprietary formats. - Only the Adobe implementation is proprietary.   > DEC certainly can be faulted by making their product dependent= on the whim of Adobe.  What was a Great Priority back then is > just one of a long list of possible projects upon which Compaq: can embark.  How many would like to see them solve this by< becoming dependent on another third party vendor ?  How many: of would like them to do this rather than your _other_ top priority for VMS ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 12:34:55 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: Re: Print from VMS to NT/lpr Print server Howto0 Message-ID: <009F2A83.5AE04095@SendSpamHere.ORG>  S In article <3A04CEAF.8F37541B@e-farm.com>, Jerry Hudgins <jerry@e-farm.com> writes: ' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  >>  I >> ...and that simply demonstrates that you know even less than you thing G >> you know.  Go back to comp.dcom.modem.cable where the PeeCee weenies ' >> actually believe you know something.  > E >What's with the attitude?  Why would one respond to an admitted VMS  H >neophyte this way?  It wouldn't seem to be very helpful to promoting or >supporting the platform.   + He's just a troll from another newsgroup.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 12:42:40 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 8 Subject: Re: Print from VMS to NT/lpr Print server Howto0 Message-ID: <009F2A84.7004A39A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <_b4N5.1243$194.317750@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, "Halfton" <halfton@pickup.com> writes: # >Profesional as ever I see, Brian ! M >    Thank you so very much for your Perls of Wisdom without an ounce of fact  >or helpM >    Some how I had a fealing you would Popup if I asked a ? in here, and you - >have proved me correct and won me a $100 bet   I I figured you were just trolling.  Now, go back an sully that other news- K group where you offer SO much to the useless technical content found there.     K >> >PS: please be specific, about all I know is " lx " is equivelent to Dir  >/w   = C'mon... You didn't even try to make this a believable troll.    --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 18:39:39 GMT $ From: "Halfton" <halfton@pickup.com>8 Subject: Re: Print from VMS to NT/lpr Print server Howto9 Message-ID: <LPhN5.4743$pe3.698251@dfiatx1-snr1.gtei.net>   L     Actually this is a valid ? and we would still like to know how to createK a Print Queue in VMS to access/send a print file to another server, The TCP J part of it is easy, the VMS command sequence or script creation is what we have trouble with   I     The wager was made in jest because when I was asked to find an answer A for this I had a bad feeling Brian would jump in, I was correct ! C     It never ceases to amaze how fragile some peoples egos are, and   evidently I severely bruised hisG     All that would have been needed to preclude this would have been to L change my nom de plure, but I have no reason to hide, the only reason not to) use real Email/Name is to prevent Spamers   J     At any rate anyone else that may have some help or can point to a site7 with Command Ref's for VMS would be greatly appreciated    Thanks Joe   J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009F2A84.7004A39A@SendSpamHere.ORG...F > In article <_b4N5.1243$194.317750@paloalto-snr1.gtei.net>, "Halfton" <halfton@pickup.com> writes:% > >Profesional as ever I see, Brian ! J > >    Thank you so very much for your Perls of Wisdom without an ounce of fact
 > >or helpK > >    Some how I had a fealing you would Popup if I asked a ? in here, and  you / > >have proved me correct and won me a $100 bet  > K > I figured you were just trolling.  Now, go back an sully that other news- F > group where you offer SO much to the useless technical content found there. >  > I > >> >PS: please be specific, about all I know is " lx " is equivelent to  Dir  > >/w  > ? > C'mon... You didn't even try to make this a believable troll.  >  > --4 > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001 VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > K > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after  them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 07:46:57 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>( Subject: shadow question SCSII <--> DSSI7 Message-ID: <200011050747_MC2-B9AF-5DD4@compuserve.com>   J         Yes, it's possible.  You would need volume shadowing licenses and=  J they are expensive.  You would have to shadow SCSI with SCSI and DSSI wit= h H DSSI so the performance benefits would be limited or even nonexistant. =  F Failure of either controller would result in loss of access to all the shadow sets on that controller.   H         Shadowing would be considerably more attractive if you had, say,J two SCSI busses and could shadow DKA0 with DKB0, DKA100 with DKB100, etc.=  =  J Then you could lose either SCSI bus without loss of access to your data, =  J or handle two read requests to the same volume simultaneously; one on the=  A bus and one on the B bus.    Message text written by "Wim"  >Hello  F We have a microvax 4100 with to disk cabinets, ( 1 SCSII and 1 DSSI ).: Is it possible to enable volume shadowing on this machine?  G Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free =    Trans  Mnt F  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count  Cnt J MV4100$DKA0:            Mounted              0  DATA4          6975899   =  =   1  1 J MV4100$DKA100:          Mounted              0  DATA5          6975815   =  =   1  1 J MV4100$DKA200:          Mounted              0  DATA6          6975850   =  =   1  1 J MV4100$DKA300:          Mounted              0  DATA7          6975843   =  =   1  1 J MV4100$DKA500:          Mounted              0  DATA9          6975766   =  =   1  1 J MV4100$DKA600:          Mounted              0  DATA8          6975311   =  =   1  1 I $2$DIA0:      (DRIVE0)  Mounted              0  VAXVMSV0552    5968592  =    199  1 J $2$DIA1:      (DRIVE1)  Mounted              0  DATA1          6969137   =  =   1  1 J $2$DIA2:      (DRIVE2)  Mounted              0  DATA2          6686694   =  =   1  1 J $2$DIA3:      (DRIVE3)  Mounted              0  DATA3          2744224   =   29 1 J $2$DUA110:     (HSD10)  Mounted              0  DATA10         6714945   =  =   1<   ------------------------------    Date: 05 Nov 2000 16:23:43 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> ( Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk7 Message-ID: <rjqu29mddyo.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>   " Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  Q > The hole on mine is just to the left, seen from the rear, of the LEDs. Exactly  M > mid way between the LHS of the LEDs and the RHS of the MMJ socket. Careful  S > inspection leaves me unsure whether it left the factory like that or it was done   > later.  < These holes in mine have a suspicious resembalance to a 3/8"
 drill hole ;)    --  < Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. @                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 13:11:24 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>( Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk+ Message-ID: <VA.00000157.14cbdedb@sture.ch>   M In article <rjqu29mddyo.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacholi wrote: 7 > From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms * > Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk" > Date: 05 Nov 2000 16:23:43 +0800 > $ > Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes: > S > > The hole on mine is just to the left, seen from the rear, of the LEDs. Exactly  O > > mid way between the LHS of the LEDs and the RHS of the MMJ socket. Careful  U > > inspection leaves me unsure whether it left the factory like that or it was done  
 > > later. > > > These holes in mine have a suspicious resembalance to a 3/8" > drill hole ;)  > U My hole is definitely square :) I inherited this system from a hardware engineer, so   anything is possible.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 07:46:55 -0500 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>" Subject: Re: What OpenVMS version?7 Message-ID: <200011050747_MC2-B9AF-5DD2@compuserve.com>   E         Are you sure that support for the 11/780 has been dropped?  I J believe that the 11/782 is no longer supported; perhaps you were thinking=  J of that?  I doubt if there are very many 11/780s still in service though,=  J maintenance would be a nightmare at this point to say nothing of the spee= d 6 or the power, air conditioning and space requirements.  ' Message text written by Larry Kilgallen J >In article <3A029713.744A1A@tch.pl>, Michal Grotthuss <michalg@tch.com.p= l> writes:   F > Does anybody know what is the highest supported OpenVMS version thatB > might be run on DEC 3000/M800 machine with the lastest installed > firmware (i.e. v 5.8)?  C I do not believe VMS support has been dropped from any Alpha model, : so the cannonical answer is "the latest released version".  @ For VAX, support has been dropped for several models such as theC 11/780 introduced 22 years ago and the MicroVAX I released 15 years @ ago.  Someone from DEC said that no efforts were made to disable@ support for the older VAXen, but they were no longer testing new released on those models.<   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 18:27:48 +0000 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> " Subject: Re: What OpenVMS version?' Message-ID: <3A05A6A4.C3BDB27D@iee.org>    "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > G >         Are you sure that support for the 11/780 has been dropped?  I K > believe that the 11/782 is no longer supported; perhaps you were thinking K > of that?  I doubt if there are very many 11/780s still in service though, L > maintenance would be a nightmare at this point to say nothing of the speed8 > or the power, air conditioning and space requirements.  1 The VAX-11/782 stopped booting OpenVMS as of V5.0o6 (I didn't have one to try so obviously I'm taking this on faith!).   > The other systems listed in the latest SPDs as being no longer; supported after V6.2 will probably all still work, assuming : you don't hit some other constraint (like disk capacity or5 memory limits). That would include all the members ofI4 the VAX-11/7xx series and the MicorVAX/VAXstation I.  7 The VAXft series are also no supported beyond V6.2 and, 4 if my VAXft 310 was anything to go by, will not boot2 into V7.x; the problem there seemed to be no FTSS.  0 Beyond V7.2, the MicroVAX/VAXstation II variants3 and the MicroVAX/VAXstation 2000 are also no longern0 supported (although I would be surprised if they didn't keep on working).  5 I expect that the decision to remove support was moret2 to do with reducing resources required for testing rather than anything else.     Antonioa     -- n   ---------------n- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.619 ************************