1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 07 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 623       Contents:F Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent Re: Alpha equivalent Re: Alpha equivalent3 Re: Announcement: SAMBA 2.0.6 for OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 ) Any DKDRIVER experts regarding VMS 5.5-2?  Re: Are there any ECO tools  Re: avoid DCL limit?) Backup written on TZ87 to be read on TZ86  Cluster Problem  Re: Cluster Problem  Re: Cluster Problem  Re: Cluster Problem  Compaq / IBM Storage agreement' Re: DCL symbol substitution hint needed " Re: DECdtm, XA, TIP meeting report! Re: DECnet 5 -> 4 routing problem  Re: DHCP Server Default Route ?  Re: eBay (guess what) again.  Re: HELP !!  System just crashed Re: Licensing in cluster Re: Microsoft gets hacked $ NCP commands in the 7.2 Cluster doc?+ Re: Need help with $GETUAI in wildcard-mode - Re: Non-OpenVMS question (to Andrew Harrison) ! Re: Oracle Parallel Server on VMS = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server  Re: PERL on VMS  Re: PF keys   Re: Porting from Unix to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Unix to OpenVMS  Re: Porting from Unix to OpenVMS, Re: Question about locking (sys$enq/sys$deq)1 Re: Reg. a problem in the cluster environment ...  remote disconnect on telnet $ Rename an account in Pathworks 5.0F?( Re: Rename an account in Pathworks 5.0F? Re: SHOW PROCESS Re: SSH CRASH A 1000A Server Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher( Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform( Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platformP TECSys ConsoleWorks is Console Management Solution of Choice for Compaq AlphaSer
 Re: Time Zone 
 Re: Time Zone + Re: Transfering users via FTP & email lost. + Re: Transfering users via FTP & email lost. + Re: Transfering users via FTP & email lost. $ Virtual Terminals and Telnet (Alpha)( Re: Virtual Terminals and Telnet (Alpha) Re: VMS Software Mirroring? 6 What happens with the info-vax<=>comp.os.vms gateway ?: RE: What happens with the info-vax<=>comp.os.vms gateway ? Where's the Y2K compliance page # Re: Where's the Y2K compliance page # Re: Where's the Y2K compliance page # Re: Where's the Y2K compliance page   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:16:22 +0900 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>O Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support * Message-ID: <3A082AD6.597D2C2@digital.com>   Paul Sture wrote:  > X > In article <YkkJJ$it8pvf@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924;   > > [...big snip...]  Y > TPU can't search for the end of a line. Yes it can search for ^M and ^J (using ^V), but + > it won't find ^M as the record delimiter.   A It _can_ search for end-of-line (as opposed to ^M or ^J) by using > wildcard search (PF1-Find on my keyboard) and searching for \>! (similarly \< for line beginning)    Or did I miss the point here...    Mike --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2000 22:39:00 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent 6 Message-ID: <8u7bu4$52g$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8tmh4n$3ie$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:  :   %EDT-F-INTERERR...E :It's not a serious problem, and I'll be upgrading soon; I have more  = :important things to worry about at the moment.  Still, just  I :theoretically, it would be interesting to know under what circumstances   :this error can occur at all.   H   Most anything that causes EDT to fall over will trigger this error -- I   there's no easy way to narrow this down to a specific cause.  Over the  G   years, this error has been triggered by bugs in EDT and by unexpected @   problems encountered by EDT with the local system environment.  , In article <XghxzuAPJNR+@eisner.decus.org>, ; Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:   1 :The SPD for VMS V7.2 says that EDT is supported.   H   Ayup, though EDT is not and will not be seeing any enhancements as it G   was superceded by editors based on TPU some time ago -- among various 
   reasons.  F   If you can figure out how to duplicate the problem, then I can pass    the problem report along.     N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:32:30 -0500 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>  Subject: Re: Alpha equivalent + Message-ID: <3A08127E.A6417CEE@hsc.vcu.edu>   w Damn... never thought it out thataway...  Clinton makes me wish Nixon was still around so I could vote for him again...    j.   Robert Deininger wrote:  >  snip...   I > There was a well-planned need for an unreliable mail system.  It's kept E > them from complying with court-ordered document searches for almost O > four years -- though Judge Lamberth seems to be about out of patience.  Every R > few weeks, they admit that there are still more bew batches of unsearched stuff. >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:35:32 GMT % From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Alpha equivalent 2 Message-ID: <3a082e5c.2511332795@news.newsguy.com>  C On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 02:40:58 +0000, Alan Greig <a.greig@virgin.net>  wrote:   >>J >> > Not directly Oracle related but the Wihitehouse is moving back to VMSI >> > for its mail backbone as they haven't been able to get anything like E >> > their old reliability since phasing out VMS in favour of PC mail  >> > systems. [...]  >>0 >>         Interesting.  Do you have a reference > 5 >Steve Hoffman, DECUS, London: VMS Future, last week.  >   E Actually I've just been reminded that it was John Smith of Compaq who D first mentioned it. Although it did come up in conversation later as well.      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:25:55 GMT % From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> < Subject: Re: Announcement: SAMBA 2.0.6 for OpenVMS Alpha 7.22 Message-ID: <3A07CB15.F556C076@byron.ext.telia.se>  @ Sure, I noticed that later..., sorry for my lack of common sense   /P.Lj      Martin Vorlaender wrote:  & > P.Lj (plj@byron.ext.telia.se) wrote: > : "John E. Malmberg" wrote: D > : >     See http://eisner.decus.org/~malmberg/samba/ for the kits. > : > 5 > : >     http://eisner.decus.org/~mamberg/frontport/  > : / > : http://eisner.decus.org/~mamberg/frontport/  > : gave me:' > : Error(400): Error opening directory  > B > Can you see the difference between the first and the second URL?@ > Take the part up to the next-to-last slash from the first URL,? > and the "frontport/" part from the second URL, and try again.  > 4 > And next time, please apply a bit of common sense. >  > cu, 
 >   Martin > --L > One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer9 > One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de P > One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/@ > And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 08:46:27 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> 2 Subject: Any DKDRIVER experts regarding VMS 5.5-2?( Message-ID: <3A0823D3.90159F3D@mmaz.com>  ? I searched Deja and found a suggestion from Terry Kennedy about G connecting addition LUN's of SCSI disk drives for VMS 5.5-2, but I have F been unable to confirm that this worked for the person he was helping.  D I have a VAX with an 8-bit SCSI bus.  My intent is to make more diskF drives available via the SCSU LUN's to allow for more on-line storage.E I have a disk subsystems that I will be installing next week that can F partition off the storage by SCSI ID, or additionally by SCSI ID & LUN which is what I want to me.    Any comments about this?   Regards,   Barry      --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2000 08:39:49 GMT 3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) $ Subject: Re: Are there any ECO tools0 Message-ID: <8u8f4l$28d$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  x In article <kBEN5.3032$mq1.206106@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:K >When we upgraded to Alpha VMS 7.2-1 several months ago, we applied all the I >patches in the list on DSN that applied to us. However, that list is not H >updated very frequently (the latest one now is as of Aug 30) and I know- >there have been several released since then.  > M >We are going to add fibre channel adpaters, and I need to locate all related H >patches.  I also need to find out if there are any required patches forJ >gigabit ethernet.  We are going to be replacing our fddi and 10baseT withK >gigabit (which we have already purchased).   While applying ECOs, I wanted C >to see if there are any other critical patches we should consider.  > D >However, when I went to the ECO page on the VMS web site, I startedM >scrolling down and counting.  I stopped counting before reaching the halfway $ >point, and I counted over 150 ECOs. > J >It would sure be nice if there was a utility we could download that wouldM >analyze our system, and accept user input (like planning to add fibrechannel J >and gigabit) and come up with a list of ECOs, and the order in which they >need to be applied. > I >Even something like a new ECO rollup (eg:  VMS 7.2-2) would be extremely 	 >helpful.  > 1 >Does anyone else agree, or am I just being lazy.  > H >Does anyone know which ECOs I need for Fibre Channe. and weather or not$ >there are any for gigabit ethernet?  N Since Monday I am getting several VMS patch announcment mails. For some reasonO I have finally reached this mailing list again. Perhaps you should subscribe as # well (and hope that it is working).    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:06:47 +0100 (CET) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: avoid DCL limit? H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011071903190.732-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  $ On 6 Nov 2000, Phillip Helbig wrote:  ) +I have a .COM file which has a line like  + 4 +   $  SEARCH/MATCH=NOR/OUTPUT=file2.txt file1.txt - +      string1, -  +      string2, -  +      string3, -  +      string4   + G +etc.  I add more strings from time to time.  Today, I started getting  G +strange errors, and suspect the problem is that the entire command is  ' +more than 1024 characters or whatever.  + G +Is there any way around this, short of splitting it up into more than  " +one command (not a problem here),  <  Probably not; the 1024-byte, 128-parameters ("parts", to beA precise, parameters or qualifiers) and 255 byte pipe command (!!)  limits are hard...>  Please, comment me: splitting the SEARCH is a problem for you or is not ?    [...] C +Is there any chance that this limit (or other DCL limits) will be   +relaxed in the future?     -:)$  Some of us will join to the query !    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 13:24:17 -0500 ' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> 2 Subject: Backup written on TZ87 to be read on TZ86+ Message-ID: <3A0848D1.2CDB58EE@y12.doe.gov>    Group,  M      I have a user that has to transfer files via tape from one VAX system to K another VAX system on a non regular basis.  He had to do it today, the last N time was approximately a month ago, but it is not at a specific interval.  TheK problem is that the system that is writing the tape is a VAXstation 4000-60 K running VMS V7.1 using a TZ87 drive, so when the tape is mounted on the VAX K 4000-500A also running VMS V7.1, but using a TZ86 drive, it cannot read the J TZ87 format.  I can and have each time forced the TZ87 to emulate the TZ86M format, but I would like to automate this so that it does not need to be done K each time.  The user is using a Backup/Rewind command to create the tape on N the writing node.  Is there a qualifier that can be used on the backup commandI to force the TZ87 to write at the TZ86 density?  I looked at the /Density N qualifier, but I thought it was for the old reel to reel tapes and if it wouldI work for this, I did not know the bits per inch to specify to emulate the H TZ86.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hopefully, I have provided enoughL information here.  I do not have the exact backup command, but could find itC out if needed.  I know that the backup command does not specify any  /Media_Format.   Thanks,   
 Dale A. Marcy . Science Applications International Corporation   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:28:35 +0530( From: "Paddy" <c.padmanaban@digital.com> Subject: Cluster Problem* Message-ID: <8u91bn$uer@usenet.pa.dec.com>   Hello,  6 I have a cluster, made of vms 7.2(alpha) and 7.2(VAX).J Is there any way to find out the cluster group number and password of this cluster.   Thanks in Advance  Paddy    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:10:26 -0500 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> Subject: Re: Cluster Problem2 Message-ID: <khoIOj8Ivg4i95R8a9yFbimLk3dd@4ax.com>   $ MCR SYSMAN7 SYSMAN> SYSMAN CONFIGURATION SHOW CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION   F will show the cluster group number, but the password is not displayed.E You'll probably have to set the password in order to find out what it = is.  The password is in SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION.DAT,  but it's encrypted.    David R. Beatty     E On Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:28:35 +0530, "Paddy" <c.padmanaban@digital.com>  wrote:   >Hello,  > 7 >I have a cluster, made of vms 7.2(alpha) and 7.2(VAX). K >Is there any way to find out the cluster group number and password of this 	 >cluster.  >  >Thanks in Advance >Paddy >    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2000 18:07:00 GMT * From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Cluster Problem. Message-ID: <8u9gc4$7m2$1@info.service.rug.nl>  ? In article <khoIOj8Ivg4i95R8a9yFbimLk3dd@4ax.com>, David Beatty & <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> writes:    > $ MCR SYSMAN9 > SYSMAN> SYSMAN CONFIGURATION SHOW CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION  > H > will show the cluster group number, but the password is not displayed.G > You'll probably have to set the password in order to find out what it ? > is.  The password is in SYS$SYSTEM:CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION.DAT,  > but it's encrypted.   B This reminds me of something I've been thinking about for a while.  E If one has very similar systems, but in different clusters and/or at  H different geographical locations, it seems logical to have one "master" C system disk which one maintains (upgrade, install new stuff, apply rG patches) then make image-backup copies of this to the other disks then qH run CHANGE_NODE_NAME.COM (no, I haven't written it yet :-) ).  However, I some other things will be different and also might evolve differently on CH different systems---the disks attached and their physical device names, G for example.  One COULD have this information on another disk, but for IG various reasons might want it on the system disk, but it would have to m, be reconstructed after such an image backup.  B So I'm considering IF-THEN-ELSE structures for .COM files which doG things like mount disks and so on.  The thing to test for IF-THEN-ELSE, G something which would uniquely identify a cluster, might be the clusterlE password, but that is apparently not available.  However, can one getaF the ENCRYPTED version easily at startup time and code the dependenciesB based on that?  Or is it possible that the encrypted version mightC change when, say, VMS is upgraded (if the hashing algorithm changes  etc).   I A related question: if (non-system) disks are to be mounted by more than eI one node in the cluster, should one use MOUNT or MOUNT/SYSTEM at startup  F time?  Is the RESULT of MOUNT on each node (or DO MOUNT from SYSMAN?) I and MOUNT/CLUSTER the same?  Perhaps disks connected to one node are not lH available if that node is not available, so one might want to issue the F mount commands, from all nodes, after that node rejoins the cluster.  G Again, individual commands or MOUNT/CLUSTER?  Any reason not to ALWAYS m- use MOUNT/CLUSTER if that is what is desired?S   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:55:45 +0000r  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com Subject: Re: Cluster ProblemH Message-ID: <OF0F520AFA.C724B599-ON80256990.0067BDAE@qedi.quintiles.com>  4 "Paddy" <c dot padmanaban at digital dot com) asked:  	 >>>Hello,)  6 I have a cluster, made of vms 7.2(alpha) and 7.2(VAX).J Is there any way to find out the cluster group number and password of this cluster.   Thanks in Advance= Paddy<<<  2 You can get the cluster number from SYSMAN using :4 $ MC SYSMAN CONFIGURATION SHOW CLUSTER_AUTHORIZATION  : The password, however, is kept secret as one might expect.G What is the problem that you are seeking to solve?  There may be easier  ways.  Steve.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:45:56 -0200c) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brr' Subject: Compaq / IBM Storage agreementDL Message-ID: <OF54712916.3E59F921-ON83256990.00405E5F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  K I dont see much future in this agreement, if theses companies (sales) still.	 competing.I with each other to sale their own products. I believe in the future thesed
 two companies K will create another storage company much more independet to provide storage- forn) their solutions and to fight against EMC.a     Reg.   FC   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:25:49 +0100 (CET)r: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>0 Subject: Re: DCL symbol substitution hint neededJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011070940370.30636-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>    Hello !5  Regardless the fact, that have seen only part of the / thread (what is a separate question) have seen:(  * On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Alan E. Feldman wrote:  - +In article <3A071E5A.4A704770@videotron.ca>,-1 +  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:- +> Maulis Adam wrote:G/ +> >    It is not specific to the lexicals only- +> >2 +> >    This is a general DCL symbol-substitution.    Will agree.  E +> I know about ' being used at the "command line". However, I have a-> +> feeling that parsing inside of lexicals is quite different.  	  IMO not.l:  Here (in DCL) are only some general rules how symbols are; interpreted and one special (the command substitution) plusn> one "subspecial" (the lexical - as f$ver() - in comment part).=  Here *are* some difficulties regards to how the command linel> is "split" to part: command, qualifier(s), parameter(s) and it; value(s). Skipping the "what is one qualifier etc." problemi: (mean: how DCL finds the separators) rest is not too hard.    The general syntax rules are:% 1. in command part named "expression"s 2. in command lineC 3. in text, mean part of command line included in double quotes ["]r? 4. in command elements *where interpreted thru .CLI definition*o    All.iC  The special - we know - is start of command line while SYMBOL/VERBi translation are enabled.  The steps:cB a. if a part of text is included in double quotes it is treated asB  "string"; regardless of what "string" mean in the command parsingA  (as before signed, will skip the problem) if in string is a texts<  included in the "two quote plus one" - mean ''TEXT' - it is=  interpreted as in next step. You hoever can include a ["] inTC  a string including two double quotes [""] in the interpreted text. C b. any text included in quotes ['] are resolved at first regardlesso?  of the syntax rule; the "text" is treated as symbol or lexicalnC  function; if the symbol does not exists no error is generated, buti;  if lexical has invalid name or syntax error *is* generated->   The data included withing lexicals are *always* a expression;  (see above), regardless if a. or b. syntax is in use. Thats0  makes way to use repeative expression, because:' - the two parts (a. and b.) are *both*:o c. repetitive (recurrent)t< d. resolved before any other syntax resolution is done; that4  mean the cmd. line is treated as "some characters".  ******** END OF PHASE **********>  After the resolution is done, DCL start interpretation of the
 syntax parts:sB f. if SYMB/SCOPE/VERB is enabled and a *symbol* (not expression !)1  of the starting name exists - it is substituted.   ******** END OF PHASE **********@  (that mean: if the symbol includes a ['] - the a/b. step is NOT?   re-done ! but if a 'name' is in command line - you can *both*,   get the a/b. and f. steps)  5  In next step the command line is splitted to commande9 parts, and rest of steps slightly depends: if the commando6 is treated as "read CLI command", command procedure or< non-CLI program run (b.ex. thru foreign command or DCL$PATH)   g. if command part - b.ex. in: $ SET PROMPT="Test> "i$  or part of command parts, b.ex. in: $ SET PROMPT=M"y test> "<  is included in quote ["] it is treated as non-interpretable;  string. Minor exception is a expression, where string must ?  be known explicitly (by ":=") or must the "part where includesF"  a ["]" must be the starting part.  9 h. if the command part is a expression - all names are by <  default interpreted as symbol names, characters like "/*+-"?  as operators etc., except it is a "string" - what is a special-:  part, special type of expression (yes, here also the ":=";  and ".??S." operators, where forces string type regardless6;  of rest; but I here will NOT resolve the "how DCL resolvese#  the syntax as before mentioned !).l=   A expression is *never* interpreted, if it is string; mean:n $ X:=DIR F$ENV("DEFAULT")j	  however:. $ X:DIR 'F$ENV("DEFAULT")'>  was interpreted in step a. and is not a part of *this* step !  7  A example of "when have expression" (check HELP !) is:s $ SYM=5. $ X=2m $ WRITE/SYM SYS$OUTPUT 200/X	         \.<         here is a "normal command part", a qualifier, beforeC         the logical of output channel you get "normal" command parte  vs. $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT 200/X/SYM                           \t>                       here the /SYM is a part of "expression",&                       as HELP states !  9  Be aware: the ['] was resolved before and is NOT a part   of interpretation here !  ; i. in expression and in command parts interpreted thru .CLImB  by the programm a [&] before name starts a separate substitution;:  the &name is interpreted as "include the symbol as syntax9  part" - what differs from the [']; b.ex. if the symbol Fa5  includes "*.COM/SIZE" the usage in DIR 'F' is proper-8  (is resolved as text) but DIR &F is not (because is NOT9  separated to parameter+qualifier, here it is interpretedt+  AFTER the command was "split to parts" !)..  3  At end: DCL sometime "closes" the expected ['] ["]s2 to required pair, but have seend some differrences1 between VMS version (AFAIT the current will *not* 2 enclose the "missed" ['] in syntax "''name" !) and8 IMHO is a bad practice not enclose the ["] or ['] pair !  8 BTW: Some time have start with "real description" of DCL% interpretation (but never end :(!)...t  !  Och, yes, return to the message:    +> for instance: +>C +> $write sys$output  "To print a "" you need to double the quotes"l> +> $write sys$output  "But inside a lexical such as ''F$TRNLNM* +> ("SYS$NODE")' you don't need to double"  >  No "don't need". You *can't* use to get the expected result !7  Any "parameter" in lexical is a expression, especially42 can be the simplest expression: a value or symbol.  D +> I have to assume that stuff between a lexical's ( and ) is parsed +differentlyC +> (or at least nested differently) than stuff at the command line.n  =  The same way, as symbols is the step... Yes, in *other* step.: (b.ex. &name) symbol is interpreted and lexical not, *but*= in the 'name' syntax the rule is simple: include the contens.h?  And while the contens of lexical is expressed - the parametersi are a expression(s).  D +Yes, quotation marks in DCL do behave differently inside of lexical +functions:n  0  Will disagree. It is consistent: always, as in:  " $ X=f$some_lexical(the_parameters)  G +It appears that quotes inside of lexicals that are evaluated inside ofdF +quotation marks can in some circumstances be single or double, but inF +others they must be single. If the string contains a colon, a pair ofA +brackets, or, as a guess, other file-spec delimiters, it must bee& +surrounded by single quotation marks.    Will disagree. Your examples:.  (Probably EV is something "write sys$output")  6 +$    EV "BLAH  1 ''F$GETDVI("DKA200","DIR")   ! works7                                             ^         ^17  DCL here "autocloses" the line ! The proper syntax is:t7 $    EV "BLAH  1 ''F$GETDVI("DKA200","DIR")'   ! works"a  D  As before: will name the prectice of "unclosed characters" as BAD !    Next: [...]s8 +$    EV "BLAH  9 ''F$GETDVI(""DKA200"","DIR")   ! works  7  Check point "g.": as in syntax (check the SH SYM X !):- $ del/sym alpham $ x=alpha	! error !  $ x=alpha""	! error[2] ! $ x=""alphae $ x="a"lpha   B  if a "string" is a "part of syntax element" (means: not separated> by space, slash [qalifier mark] or operator [in expression) it1 forces the whole "syntax part" to be a "string" !m@  That has NOTHING to "DCL espacially interpretes ["] in lexical" but is a *general* rule !e  If you do:t $ SET PROMPT=My Name> >  you get syntax error - because only one parameter is rquired. $ SET PROMPT="My Name> "  is the "well known" syntaxn $ SET PROMPT=""My Name> ""2  is also bad - for the same reason ! (separator !) $ SET PROMPT="""My Name> """  you know what is.  "  And, yes, you are right: you CAN: $ SET PROMPT=""MyName>""  <  as long, as the "string" doesn't contain special character," where can be treated as separator.*  But that has NOTHING to do with lexical !   [...] 4 +$    EV "BLAH 21 ''f$parse(aef_disk+"[]")'" ! works; +$    EV "BLAH 23 ''f$parse(aef_disk+"login.com")'" ! works, [...]s +BLAH  1 TRUE   ! worksp [...]j& +BLAH 21 DKA200:[FELDMAN.DCL.QUOTES].;. +BLAH 23 DKA200:[FELDMAN.DCL.QUOTES]LOGIN.COM; [...]mA +And for some reason, "! works" is not echoed in lines 21 and 23!   8  Och, yes, bacause the line "more properly" closed, than< the 1. or 9. ! In the 1. & 9. you *haven't* comment, because) the lines improperly delimited by you -:)e:  And 21./23. are end as "expected" (I mean: if the "!" was included as comment separator).s  = +If you have a colon or "[]", the quotes must not be doubled:2 [...]cA +$    EV "BLAH 10 ''F$GETDVI(""DKA200:"","DIR")   ! does not worki  1 ...because the characters are interpreted by DCL.b	  Becuase:  $ SET PROMPT=My Name>  $ SET PROMPT=""My Name> ""  ;  is invalid for the extra space - where forces DCL to "see"e" 2 parameters, and in your example:A +$    EV "BLAH 10 ''F$GETDVI(""DKA200:"","DIR")   ! does not worki(          ^          ^        ^^  ^   ^^^(          1          2        34  5   678 1 - starts a string ( 2 - start a lexical within it (we agree)% 3 - starts a string within expression-) 4 - *ENDS* the "starting point" of string=> 5 - is the "string part not within quotes", as in $ X=""dka200
    example 6 - is unexpected operator !!HE  DCL founds start of string (3), end of the "save special characters"=>  part (4), rest will interpret as "string included" *but* will@  here check for separators. *If* a space is find - you know. But<  because it is b.ex. ":" DCL has trouble: what is it here ??  +  For sure: I will not claim, that even the: 
 $ x=""text  syntax ot the $ SET PROMPT M"y one> ",  are supported. 3  But what you includes in the lexical is hm... more < unsupported ! DKA * "" is always 0 (because empty string has@ a value of 0!), but DKA : "" is a syntax problem: what a operand is the ":" character ??    $ x=dka : ""G %DCL-W-SYMDEL, invalid symbol or value delimiter - check command syntax6   [...]nE +Also, SET VERIFY does not echo the commands for the cases that don't  +work!  B  Yes. Syntax error has the disadvantage and will agree, that some-A time that is irritating :] (when ON WARNING is effective, findingh the bad line can be hard).  D +In fact, you can double them even when not inside a quoted string!:   ...or even not in lexical -;) !o    Regards - Gotfryd* (and really excuse all language misses...) -- hE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEl. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:46:28 -0500d0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>+ Subject: Re: DECdtm, XA, TIP meeting reportcD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001107064628.00a04370@discovery.fuentez.com>   Jim,   Here Here!!!  H Thanks SO MUCH for your involvement in this effort! I am a long time VMSK user/developer/proponent who has seen the lack of TP support (including XA):H cause the demise of VMS in several key large projects for large companysD where VMS WAS STRATEGIC! The lack of TP support has caused VMS to beB "phased out"!!!. I support ANYTHING that will get the VMS team off= dead-center and moving in the right direction in this area!!!-  @ We have been using a cross-platform development toolkit from WRQG (Verastream) on VMS to develop EAI (Enterprise Application Integration)oH solutions on VMS for several years, but the lack of TP support at the OSK level has been a MAJOR PROBLEM and has steered many of these cross platform D projects away from using VMS as one of the primary platforms for the integration.  H Who can I write to at Compaq about this??? I have spoken to everyone whoG will listen and so far it seems everyone listens politely and then does1 nothing or says "Yes, but...."  : I will be happy to contribute however I can in this area!    Regards,   Jimp% At 05:17 PM 11/4/2000 GMT, you wrote:oF >I've just gotten back from my week in the US, during which I met withF >VMS Development to discuss what the situation was wrt DECdtm, XA, and
 >TIP support.1 >7E >For those of you who may not have been following the DECdtm topic, at >little background:D >8E >A couple of months ago I learned through this newsgroup that VMS hadLF >apparently decided that it was too difficult to add XA or TIP supportG >to DECdtm.  As the original designer of those services, this viewpoint E >surprised me (to say the least).  I was asked in this newsgroup whatp@ >it would take for me, or my company, to add such support in.  IE >remember replying that Compaq would need to pay us ... and from thatI= >statement everything else has sort of wound its way to here.g >vF >Let me say, as a quick aside, that I hold very strong opinions on theF >value of transactions as one of the more powerful models for reliable@ >distributed processing, and that I've never been reticent about? >voicing that opinion -- either before or after leaving the VMSa >development group.h >tF >Anyway, I opened up contact with VMS development over this topic, andE >arranged to see the people there who are responsible for setting theoG >direction and agenda for TP in VMS.  My goal was to find out just whatdF >was happening, what decisions had been made, and whether or not I, orG >my company, could help them in reaching a technically and commerciallys> >solid state.  The remainder of this note is my report to this >readership on what I found.   >g >-G >I met with the individual who is responsible for establishing/updating G >the VMS TP strategy.  This is someone who I have known and trusted foreE >years.  Our meeting overran considerably, and covered what they wereaG >doing, the state of their plans, and how they arrived where they were.y. >It was a good, open, and informative meeting. >nE >The essential news is that VMS has what I would consider the correct,A >basic goal -- namely to support interoperation with other OS and E >application platforms with minimal changes to any existing software.nE >What I was shown indicated a level of interest in this topic that isaE >the highest I've seen it in a decade.  Furthermore, the declarationsSC >that I've read here that RTR will be the basis for this vision areoB >premature.  While there may have been a view at one time that RTRF >would be the basis for all future work, that was not the current view >as I had it expressed to me.v >aF >Now, RTR clearly does have a role in any overall VMS TP strategy, andE >I personally fully expect to see further work done on RTR.  However,aD >to reiterate, I saw nothing that said that VMS had decided that all& >future enhancements would be via RTR. > E >Let me be clear -- if you believe that VMS should support XA and TIP D >without requiring an RTR infrastructure (say, perhaps, via DECdtm), >this was *all* good news. >)C >However, the flip side of this is that the current state is partly F >because VMS has not solidified its plans for how to achieve the levelA >of transparent interoperability that it feels it should provide.TG >Although I've been known to hold cynical views on plans such as these,sG >I have to say that what I saw and heard suggested that VMS was finallyhD >treating this difficult issue with the level of seriousness that itF >has long deserved.  The fact that they haven't knee-jerked a response >is a good sign. >:G >This is the core of the two possible negatives: will the features show6G >up in time for you, the users, and will the plans end up requiring RTRrC >after all.  I can't answer either of these.  I'm worried about thee9 >former (albeit with no data), and hopeful on the latter.d >w: >Finally, I was asked to consider a reasonably significant? >participatory role in establishing this TP direction.  This istA >something we've agreed in principle, and are currently pursuing.  >e >u >0G >What I saw indicated that it was understood that this was an importantrA >area for VMS.  However, I believe that there are two things thatd9 >people who believe this to be important should still do:s >aC >1. let VMS know that it's important.  While I don't worry just nowaF >that they don't believe it to be important, continued input will help >keep minds focused. >aE >2. let VMS know just what you want to do.  This is actually the much E >more important issue.  What are you trying/wanting to do with TP and D >VMS?  Who are you trying to interoperate with, and in what way?  IsE >COM important?  Is Java (J2EE)?  What about other TP monitors, other F >databases?  There are lots of possibilities, and the technical issuesG >may stretch well beyond the 2PC protocols.  The more known about, say,oC >which vendors and systems are vital, the easier it is to focus thet( >work and plan for an effective rollout. >aG >These things will help, and I'd ask anyone who is interested in havinguG >something happen to TP on VMS let VMS know.  I'd also ask that you leti	 >me know.r >t >sE >As a final postscript, I spoke to the people who could be considered A >"the VMS Brains trust" and none of them claimed to have made thegB >statement about DECdtm's upgradability.  Their thoughts were thatG >either a) it was taken out of context, or b) someone was speaking witheE >an authority they didn't have.  I think we'd all like to know which,iF >so if anyone can get me details of where they heard that message from >I'd certainly appreciate it.  >b >Jim.T >s >Jim Johnson >Software Exploration, Ltd. ( >Software Navigation and Discovery Tools >g8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-t7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.'8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems" Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAg  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235t Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com o        jhjennis@shentel.netd& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 09:38:28 +0000a+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> * Subject: Re: DECnet 5 -> 4 routing problem' Message-ID: <3A07CD94.CEED883A@iee.org>    John Santos wrote: > , > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, antonio.carlini wrote: > B > Hmm.  In ncl on the VAX, show routing circuit csmacd-0 adj * all= > shows the two alphas and the DR250.  The two alphas show as*@ > Phase V endnodes, and the DR250 shows as a Phase IV L2 router.4 > The "neighbor area" attribute shows as "49::00-01"  < This is probably right (assuming your VAX is configured as aB router, which I think you said it was). It should form adjacencies! to end systems and other routers.    > B > On the Alpha's (at least on the one I checked), the same commandB > shows the VAX and the DR250 (but not the other Alpha).  It showsA > the VAX as a Phase V router and the DR250 as a Phase IV router. > > It doesn't display any "neighbor area" attribute for either.  3 This is also correct - end systems should only see gA routers (both Phase V and Phase IV, if Phase IV enabled is true).MG In the presence of a router, they'll pick one at random, in the absence>< of any router all they can do is blast out a packet and hope) the target end system is on the same LAN.n  @ > Well, I started looking at routing characteristics in NCL.  In> > the HELP I found out about "routing mode", which defaults to@ > "integrated".  The help says that this setting will send PhaseH > IV packets to the adjacent Phase V router (the VAX), but if changed toC > segregated, it will send them to the Phase IV router (the DR250.)e > ? > So I gave it a try and it seems to work!!  Nothing else seemss? > broken so far.  I don't know why it worked okay to a Phase IV > > node 2 hops away but not to one 3 hops away, but maybe going' > through the VAX makes it 4 hops...???   : Well segregated mode was introduced to avoid problems with: boxes that run ships-in-the-night rather than ISIS. A true7 Phase V router (like DECnis or the various WANrouters) e: has only one routing database. If it learns using Phase IV: that node FOO lives down wire X it will remember that even8 when Phase V packets arrive. So it has only one internal4 map of where stuff lives, regardless of the protocol: used to get there. With SIN, you have one routing database9 for Phase IV and one for Phase V which is fine as long as 2 you don't try and mix ISIS routers with SIN ones.   7 If you do mix them, the old hack was to make sure that t7 the SIN router was the highest priority Phase IV routere7 and then you would have a chance that it would all comea9 out in the wash. Segregated mode was introduced to ensure"6 that there was a way of guaranteeing correct operation+ in the presence of both ISIS and SIN boxes.*  : I don't think you should need it here though. Is the DR250 set up to be an area router?   Oh well, at least it works now!u   Antonior   --     ---------------R- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgn   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2000 13:38:34 GMTu1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi> ( Subject: Re: DHCP Server Default Route ?2 Message-ID: <01c048c0$5a0a7790$9d08a8c0@rlhkikker>  > If you mean sending Default Gateway address to the client it's  + Subnets -> BASIC DHCP Parameters -> Routersp  > with the GUI. If you want to edit the DHCPCAP. file, add line    :gw=ip-address:\   under the subnet.y   Kari Keronen  I trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote in article <8u74a9$rvm$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...  > Hi > F > I can't see how to define Default Route information in the TCPIP 5.0 > DHCP server. > I > Using the DHCP gui I have set up dynamic IP addressing and this appearssI > to work ok (a client can grab an address).  However I cannot find whereIE > to define Default Route information so that this can be passed to ae > DHCP client. > I > There is an IP Parameter 'Static Routes' but this specifically says theaH > default route (0.0.0.0) is not permitted.  So I've trawled through theH > rest of the params but I can't see anywhere to define a Default route.C >  I've read the words, but I think I've gone word blind and I justd > cannot find this.r >  > Help appreciated.s >  > Regards, TrevorL >  > trevor_deja@my-deja.comf >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.s >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:17:46 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> % Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again. ( Message-ID: <3A080F0A.B2CFFE2@gtech.com>   andrew harrison wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote: > > andrew harrison wrote:M > > > Nor is your point very relevant since it isn't Sun who have been makingiG > > > performance claims for 64bit and VLM it was Digtal at a time when G > > > as you have so reasonably pointed out they didn't have a box that H > > > could make any sort of use of it. I think this is what people call > > > marketing B***S**T.  > > >AG > > > The GS320 does support 256 GB so does that mean that in your view H > > > 5 years after the start of the 64bit VLM marketing campaign CompaqG > > > does now finally have a box which could show the benefits of VLM.s > > >cF > > > And as for tuning at the moment Compaq have in effect carved theF > > > GS320 up into 8 separate nodes each with 32 GB of RAM by runningD > > > OPS in a box to get their current TPC-C TPM number. So you are4 > > > sort of right, they do have much more to tune. > >t > > ???? > >aL > > I do not konow what 2^32 are calculated to at a SUN box, but on Compaq's> > > boxes it is 4 GB. And also on Compaq's boxes 4 GB < 14 GB. > >y: > > But OK I guess we have just another case of FUD here ! > >E? > 256 / 8 = 32 or are you using some other mathematical system."  F Care to explain how that is relevant in a discussion whether GS140 can have6 more memory than max for 32 bit address-space or not ?   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:38:00 GMTo8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>) Subject: Re: HELP !!  System just crashedl( Message-ID: <3A06F62D.BFDFA6A9@decus.fi>  : Not that I can say much otherwise but that 00000003 is bit mask, and hence says you have correctly two cpus.    _veli.   "Gary L. Ross" wrote:L >  > Hello,D >         We are running OpenVMS 6.2-1H3 on an AlphaServer 4100.  WeE > just rebooted the system and I received the following error message, > during the memory dump:p > : >         error_routines_1605 ** Machinecheck 670 ** CPU=1 > = >         AlphaServer 4100 running OpenVMS v.6.2-1H3 Bugcheck2H >         Code=00000215:  Machinechk, Machine check while in kernel mode? >         Crash CPU: 00  Primary CPU: 00  Active CPUs: 00000003   >         Current Process = NULL >         Image Name = >         Memory Dump . . . .  > F > I think the problem is with the "Active CPUs" because we only have 2E > CPU's in the system but the above error message says 3 active CPUs.p > H > Here's the bad part, I now found out (the hard way) that we don't saveE > any crash dump files so I have no way of running ANALYZE/CRASH_DUMP E > to see if it could give me any clues to what is happening.  This is G > where I'm hoping the people who participate in the group will be ables; > to point me in the right direction to resolve this issue.  > 	 > Thanks.  >  > Gary L. Ross" > Sr. Systems Programmer - OpenVMS > Park Nicollet Health Services  > rossgl@parknicollet.comt   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2000 17:28:17 -0500r9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)h! Subject: Re: Licensing in cluster + Message-ID: <n76UYL9YFKP1@eisner.decus.org>"  \ In article <3A071CF9.DB2764CB@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:  N > If there are 2 license databases in a 2 node cluster, will each node TOTALLYO > disregard what the other node is doing and allow/disallow use based solely ont   No.g  M > its own node's database and usage, or are there mechanisms that would still"D > make the two nodes talk to each other, exchanging LMF information?   Yes.  L > DOes Node 1 know whether Node 2 has its own license database or whether itR > shares the license database with Node 1  ? In the later case, how does it know ?   See my previous response.t   ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2000 17:22:28 -0500 * From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)" Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hacked+ Message-ID: <8iKsu1tHMmHS@eisner.decus.org>o  o In article <rjq8zqyd37s.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>, Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes:=0 > "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> writes: > E >> There have been reports (on places like slashdot.org) that someonel@ >> has been offering NT source code, and also cautions to anyoneC >> developing free software NOT to look. It appears the breakers in-D >> want to sell, but it is claimed they don't have Windows 2000, nor+ >> office source code, nor even windows ME.j >> RA >> This incident could be used by Microsoft to sue people who get6E >> their functionality too close to what Microsoft has, on the theorySC >> that any such close duplication "must" be a result of having therB >> code, and with no evidence needed that such is indeed the case. > < > If i was going to sue someone for stealing my idears, then- > NT is the LAST thing I'd want to depend on.  > 0 > Minor details like providence and discovery... >   ? So if NT didn't crash so often, Compaq could sue M$oft because g% NT is a close duplication of VMS 2.0?-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:37:42 +0100s0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>- Subject: NCP commands in the 7.2 Cluster doc?y* Message-ID: <3A084BF5.BDA3A587@Easynet.fr>   in pagee  G www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/4477/4477pro_005.html#decnet_configa  @ of the OpenVMS Cluster Systems dated january 1999, there are NCP commands instead of NCL. Why ?   D.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:00:33 GMTm From: richard_maher@my-deja.comh4 Subject: Re: Need help with $GETUAI in wildcard-mode) Message-ID: <8u8qt0$85d$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r   Hi,   D I can't add much more to what Hoff and Hein have said except that ifG you want to go through the whole UAF (Rather than "Starting with") thentG I would just open the UAF as a sequential file and pluck out (4:12) for7& the user name and then do the $getuai.  G Something that is probably more use to someone writing an authorizationnD server, is that if you create a persona for everyone in the UAF thatG you're interested in then the $persona_find service seems to offer some B interesting look-up possibilities. (You're on 7.2 could be worth a look?)  C On the subject of "context" I can say that if you pass the ctx fromrF $get_security as the ctx to $set_security then it fails with (whatever> the RMS for read only is) I'm not sure it would work the otherF way 'round? No big deal but it would be nicer to only have one channelG open to UAF so that a server can handle authentication/auhtorization ass; well as maintain login fails/last non-inter login time etc.d  E Along the lines of the queue entry number thread: There appears to beoG noway of locking the UAF record between a $getuai/$setuai? I would likeAG to see something similar to the oss$m_wlock flag that is available withr# $get_security/$set_security please!    Regards Richard Maher.      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:23:06 +0100n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>y6 Subject: Re: Non-OpenVMS question (to Andrew Harrison)) Message-ID: <3A08104A.59DF9324@gtech.com>w  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:M > Do you know if the QFS file system is a good choice instead of the VxFS for  > example ?o > / > http://www.lsci.com/lsci/products/product.htmo > " > Is this company LSCI trustable ?  
 Why ask him ?   G He is very good at saying SUN's products are good and Compaq's are bad.   9 But do not trust him as a source for technical solutions.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 14:35:08 +0000t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Oracle Parallel Server on VMS* Message-ID: <3A08131C.C3A6D2B1@uk.sun.com>   Peter Weaver wrote:i > E > We are planning to put Oracle Parallel Server on our Alpha Cluster.d > B > We are currently at Oracle 8.0.0.3.0.0 and have VMS 7.1-2 on the
 > cluster. > E > I have tried looking at the Oracle web site (you can not search forbF > OPENVMS AND PARALLEL, that only gives you ever page where OPENVMS orA > PARALLEL appears) and have tried contacting Oracle with an realnD > telephone (Oracle highly discourages people from trying to contact> > them by phone), with no luck. I am still trying to find out; > D >     1. What version of Oracle do we need to upgrade to to get OPS? > 7 >     2. What version of VMS do we need to install OPS?s > 6 > If anyone knows the answers then please let me know.  # http://platforms.oracle.com/compaq/   A Lists 8.0.5.1 as being the first OPS release of 8.0.X for OpenVMSr( but it appears that you will need 7.2XX   C You could of course run 7.3.4.4 but that would be an older version e1 of Oracle than the one you are currently running.t     Regardse Andrew Harrisony Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 07 Nov 2000 17:48:23 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>eF Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded ServerH Message-ID: <y4itpzlodk.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  0 "I.A. Saez" <"i.a.saez.<secret>"@tue.nl> writes:  J > That MTS does not work under Unix is not such a problem. Proces creationG > (for dedicated processes) is cheap under Unix. Process creation undera! > VMS costs a lot more (seconds!)w  M This is mostly folklore. Actual process creation is remarkbly similar in Unix L and VMS. What differs is that the created process by default receives a copyN of the original process's address space in Unix; however, this isn't used thatL often (most fork() calls are followed by an exec() call). What tends to makeH the perception of process creation as slow is the additional overhead ofN setting up the environment of DCL (symbols, logical names) when SPAWNing (whenM will that improvement to the DCL SPAWN code finally be released, I wonder!?);eM however, all that can be turned off. And on a current Alpha, the situation isiJ quite different fron a VAX-11/725 with regard to the resources consumed by a $CREPRC call.    	Jan   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2000 14:08:43 GMTi' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)h Subject: Re: PERL on VMS0 Message-ID: <8u92db$lnd$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  ` In article <3A0709D7.CB0B4A57@boeing.com>, Lewis McDonald <lewis.d.mcdonald2@boeing.com> writes:E >Is there a web site written after 1996 (or 1999) that is specific tonI >PERL on OpenVMS other than the Compaq site? How do I find out if PERL isaI >working on OpenVMS? I found the executable. Thanks for any help on this!k >.  A You might try Chuck Lane's Information Page for Perl 5.6.0 on VMSi  $ http://www.crinoid.com/perl560.htmlx  I Information on building PERL for VMS, necessary patches, Patch utilities,gF Perl modules for VMS (and any special requirements for building them).    Last updated : 5th October 2000.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     >$ dir [...]*perl*/datew6 >Directory DRA3:[000000.FASTTRACK.BIN.ADMIN.ADMIN.BIN]- >PERL.;1              11-MAR-1999 14:10:21.12t >t >Total of 1 file.  >m* >Directory DRA3:[000000.FASTTRACK.INSTALL]- >PERL.;1              11-MAR-1999 14:10:45.34-- >PERL.EXE;1           11-MAR-1999 14:10:45.48-- >PERLSHR.EXE;1        11-MAR-1999 14:10:45.59y >Total of 3 files.( >Grand total of 2 directories, 4 files.  >o >$ sho logi *perl* >(LNM$PROCESS_TABLE) >(LNM$JOB_87813900)  >(LNM$GROUP_000530)  >(LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)a >(DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)t >(DECEDI$LOGICAL_NAMES)c8 >%SHOW-S-NOTRAN, no translation for logical name *PERL*  >+ >$ sho sym *perl*e> >%DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 17:27:46 GMTn* From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com> Subject: Re: PF keys= Message-ID: <mYWN5.32885$bm2.1742752@news3.aus1.giganews.com>   3 Carsten Neuer <carsten.neuer.nospam@usa.net> wrote:DL > Can anybody help me out, how I can use the PF1, PF2, PF3 and PF4 key on myJ > DEC/VMS system, when I'm logging onto it from a PC or a Unix workstation > thru a telnet connection???h  I I use Tera Term Plus.  It allows the Numlock key to function as PF1.  You  can get it at:  5 http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.html   - I can't stand Windows standard telnet client.s   Later, Steven   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:17:00 GMTa5 From: njc@CC47532-A.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (Neil Cherry) ) Subject: Re: Porting from Unix to OpenVMSe> Message-ID: <slrn90fsn7.7eh.njc@CC47532-A.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>  : On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:47:51 -0600, John E. Malmberg wrote: >Neil Cherry wrote:  >t7 >> I have some Unix daemons that I want to port over tof2 >> Open VMS (a MicroVAX BA123 w/KA-630 processor). >> Any pointers? >rI >If you describe what the end result of your project is, you may even getc >some collaborators. :-)  E The description is very easy, it's the Linux Home Automation project.oD I know it's not the correct name (it started out with just Linux and grew to include all Unix).  C It is a network daemon that allows you to issue ASCII commands to anD serially attached device, such as X10's CM11A. I have almost a dozen> devices and 3 usable terminal servers (about 80 serial ports).  > Thanks for the rest of the info, It's going to be real useful.   -- PH Linux Home Automation           Neil Cherry             ncherry@home.netC http://members.home.net/ncherry                         (Text only)dB http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/lightsey/52           (Graphics)0 http://linuxha.sourceforge.net/				(SourceForge)   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2000 08:44:31 -0500h9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)e) Subject: Re: Porting from Unix to OpenVMSs+ Message-ID: <IIlF21w9svFO@eisner.decus.org>.  v In article <slrn90fsn7.7eh.njc@CC47532-A.ewndsr1.nj.home.com>, njc@CC47532-A.ewndsr1.nj.home.com (Neil Cherry) writes:< > On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 22:47:51 -0600, John E. Malmberg wrote: >>Neil Cherry wrote: >>8 >>> I have some Unix daemons that I want to port over to3 >>> Open VMS (a MicroVAX BA123 w/KA-630 processor).  >>> Any pointers?i >>J >>If you describe what the end result of your project is, you may even get >>some collaborators. :-)w > G > The description is very easy, it's the Linux Home Automation project.aF > I know it's not the correct name (it started out with just Linux and > grew to include all Unix). > E > It is a network daemon that allows you to issue ASCII commands to axF > serially attached device, such as X10's CM11A. I have almost a dozen@ > devices and 3 usable terminal servers (about 80 serial ports). > @ > Thanks for the rest of the info, It's going to be real useful.  B John Covert (username COVERT) has posted some of his VMS X-10 code@ on DECUServe, but perhaps in the section that is not on the Web.  < I believe his home _is_ on the web (that is, he can turn theC lights on and off, etc., remotely through his VMS machine at home).r   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 08:08:52 -0600) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>A) Subject: Re: Porting from Unix to OpenVMSn/ Message-ID: <t0g34k588ouh5e@corp.supernews.com>y  ; "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote 1  in message news:IIlF21w9svFO@eisner.decus.org...n >m6 > John Covert (username COVERT) has posted some of his8 > VMS X-10 code on DECUServe, but perhaps in the section > that is not on the Web.t >n> > I believe his home _is_ on the web (that is, he can turn the; > lights on and off, etc., remotely through his VMS machineH > at home).   = http://eisner.decus.org/DECUServe/DECnotes/VMS/3064/SDIR.HTMLy   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:23:54 GMTa$ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark)5 Subject: Re: Question about locking (sys$enq/sys$deq)'. Message-ID: <3a07d62f.4455476@news.force9.net>  1 On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:04:13 -0600, Chris ScheersL" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote:  3 >> I have two possible ideas to solve this problem:eA >> 1). Enqueue the lock request and then dequeue it each time theo >>     resource is required.A >> 2). Attempt to convert the lock each time.  If this fails withR> >>     the appropriate error code then assume that this is theB >>     first time the resource is required and enqueue a new lock.  B >A lot depends on exactly what you are trying to do with the lock. >wG >What comes to mind is that you could consider the lock and its flag toiF >be a global resource and protect them with a mutex.  Then they may be' >usable in a multithreaded application.a  C The lock is just used to protect a global section from simultaneous @ access.  I have thought about it some more and I think I will go> for solution 1 because it is simpler to implement.  Solution 2? would involve using some thread-specific data to store the lock  id between invocations.e   Cheers,f
 Mark Williams    ------------------------------   Date: 6 Nov 2000 17:32:20 -0500e* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt): Subject: Re: Reg. a problem in the cluster environment ...+ Message-ID: <actDoDLsKt4G@eisner.decus.org>   k In article <20001105212954.13404.qmail@web1611.mail.yahoo.com>, mohamed irfan <irfn_1999@yahoo.com> writes:e > Sir, > 5 > I am facing a problem in cluster environment of VAXo8 > machines. The cluster is formed using 2 VAX 6200's and4 > a 7000 series machines using HSJ40 controllers. My6 > problem is if i give "mon cluster" command from 62001 > series machines, Vax 7000 series machine is nots7 > figuring in that. In " show cluster" command, all the 8 > three machines are figuring. It was going working well0 > in VMS 6.1 version. The problem statrted after7 > installing VMS7.1 and upgrading the decnet to phase-5>3 > from phase-4. Please guide me solve this problem.-4 > Please mail to my id, if u have any suggestions to > solve the problem. t  D Chances are your getting the following error messages that are being! obscured by the screen repaint...   A %MONITOR-I-ESTABCON, establishing connection to remote node(s)...rC %MONITOR-E-ERRSYSINFO, failed to collect system information on noder; -MONITOR-E-SRVMISMATCH, MONITOR server on remote node is an_ incompatible version   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 15:30:05 +02002 From: "Phillip du Ploy" <itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za>$ Subject: remote disconnect on telnet- Message-ID: <973603810.356813@news.puk.ac.za>e   Hi,0  L I am a sysadmin on a Dec ES40 (ev67 ) . Is has 2 network cards in it, namelyG de500 (one is used for decnet) .  It runs OpenVMS 7.2 -1 . We are usingeK multinet 4.3 for our IP stack.  We get a problem of "axp remote disconnect"3L on the telnet client side.  This happens when you are typing (never when you; are inactive), but the session will stay active on the axp.n  A What can be the reason for this?  If you ping the axp the time ish icmp_seq=0 time=1 ms .  L We also use the LPR/LPD function to print to remote network printers via IP.H I am thinking of replacing Multinet with UCX .  Any commends on this ( I also want to implement SSH ).t  	 Thank your Phillip du Plooy SysAdmin/DBA Potchefstroom University South Africa   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:19:15 -0500 (CDT)g& From: Drew Shelton <drew@sematech.org>- Subject: Rename an account in Pathworks 5.0F?e- Message-ID: <01JW97DZS588000BBI@SEMATECH.Org>n  G Is it possible to rename an account in Pathworks 5.0F?  I don't want torI delete and re-create the account and then manually enter all of the groupi6 and permission entries, but I can't see any other way.   Thanks,a Drew  L ============================================================================6 Drew Shelton                         drew@sematech.org9 VMS Systems Manager                  office: 512-356-7575.9 Sematech                             fax:    512-356-7600a 2706 Montopolis Drive K Austin, TX 78741-6499                I speak for myself only, not Sematech.wB     "OpenVMS is today what Microsoft wants Windows NT v8.0 to be!"I                                                         - Compaq, 9/22/98rL ============================================================================   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:23:26 +0100 (CET)<: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>1 Subject: Re: Rename an account in Pathworks 5.0F?eH Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011071920040.732-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ' On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Drew Shelton wrote:o  H +Is it possible to rename an account in Pathworks 5.0F?  I don't want toJ +delete and re-create the account and then manually enter all of the group7 +and permission entries, but I can't see any other way.e  @  Althought I can be wrong in version number, the older PATHWORKS3 users are simply set-up with some VMS identifiers !r  =  Then you can withouth trouble[1] RENAME the user name withinn; AUTHORIZE; I remember, that have for sure create patchworkse@ users with UAF> only, but can't be sure that the version was 5 !   +Thanks, +Drewi    Regards - Gotfryd; [1] och, yes - the password is "keyed" thru user name, theni,  after RENAME you must set up new password ! -- oE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME<. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:23:51 +0100n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>, Subject: Re: SHOW PROCESSs( Message-ID: <3A081076.64D43C5@gtech.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote: E > Why does $  SHOW PROCESS <name> work only if the process is runningcJ > under the same User Identifier as the process which does $  SHOW PROCESSG > (note: not the same User:), but $  SHOW PROCESS/ID=<process-ID> workse > from any process?  > J > If I want to see a process with known name but unknown ID from a processH > with another user identifier, do I first have to get the ID (with SHOWH > USER/FULL, or is there a better way?) and then run $  SHOW PROCESS/ID?  > You are aware of that process-names are implicit prefixed with UIC group ?    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2000 14:08:48 +0100 ) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)o% Subject: Re: SSH CRASH A 1000A Serverr! Message-ID: <DWOjaPGOd14M@ludens>c  k In article <8u7hn0$6po$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:(d > In article <00110607142494@axpswa.mpi-stuttgart.mpg.de>, swars@axpswa.mpi-stuttgart.mpg.de writes:A > :whit the same software i get a CRASH an a dual processor 1000Ae > ' >   AlphaServer 1000A series assumed...a > 2 > :SSRVEXCEPT, Unexpected system service exception( > :on boot system are vms 7.2-1 ucx 5.0a > 1 >   This would be a bug in privileged-mode code. i     Hi,F  +    We experience a same crash in 3-MAY-2000A  B    The system crashed at IPL2 with code SSRVEXCEPT while OSU sshd E    tried to create a system-wide logical name table via sys$crelnt().   @    (AlphaServer ES40 with two 500Mhz cpu, 2 Gbyte ram, VMS 7.2-10     with no patch and TCP/IP 5.0A with no patch)      This is a known VMS bug.=  <    The patch exists since VMS721_SYS-0500, the current patch    is the VMS721_SYS-V0800.r       From VMS721_SYS-V0800.README:9  D  3.1  The  following  remedial  kit(s)  must  be  installed   BEFORE0       installation of this, or any required kit:     o  VMS721_UPDATE-V0100   o  VMS721_PCSI-V0100   [...]o  8   o  The system crashes with an invalid address in R0 at?      NSA$AUDIT_EVENT_C+00008.  The dump stack will have severald0      entries from logical name support (LNMSUB).          Images Affected:t&          -  [SYS$LDR]LOGICAL_NAMES.EXE&          -  [SYS$LDR]LOGICAL_NAMES.STB         Regards, Adam Maulis    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:46:09 GMTS  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughero8 Message-ID: <tvag0tcsqmahhlfubes16fek9m9ph9vipg@4ax.com>  E On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 23:10:22 -0500, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Roberth Deininger) wrote:e  Y >In article <1001030211839.13148A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:P >M >NM >> VIRTUAL TERMINALS DO WORK WITH TELNET!  I'm not sure about DECterm or SET   >> HOST. >dJ >Hmm.  I'll have to look into this again.  I'm sure it was a no-no when I  >last checked. > E >> But this isn't relevant.  Programmers may be logged in on terminal G >> sessions continuously, but USERS are not.  There may be USERS on for G >> 24 hours, 7 days a week, but each individual user goes home when they5 >> workday is done, and when they do, they log out.  / >aG >Piffle!  I'm a programmer.  I'm a user.  I DO go home occasionally.  Ie >never log out.n  F Sure, but you should architect your work to "assume" that things won'tE always be there.  That's life in every computing context (network canu do down, etc).     >tE >> This is a completely different problem, and if you think about it,-B >> almost insoluble.  You want to remember precise process context: >> including pending I/O, etc. across a system shutdown?   > K >It seems you can do quite a bit without remembering nearly as much.  If angN >app is "quiet" at the time of the shutdown, it could certainly remember a lotI >of it's context.  Let's take a crusty old example just for discussion --iM >Bookreader.  If I'm in the middle of something, I might have 2 dozen windowsu>open in 5 or 6 different books.  Maybe a search or two in progress.  If the system has to be shut down, it would be a lot less work for the computer to remember all this, instead of making me recreate it.  Bookreader is perhaps an easy example, since it's mostly read-only. >;  D Why are you doing this on the production cluster?  What's the matter( with workstations?  Development systems?  D In any case, I sincerely doubt that the entire cost and value of theF production servers are based on your utilization of the system.  I.E.,@ you're just a small drop in the bucket as far as the business isE concerned, they didn't purchase the servers for your benefit.  That'snE not to say that you're completely unimportant, but you should be abler> to recognize that you're pretty far down in the priority scale' compared to keeping the business alive.     1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqe- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)9   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 06:46:48 GMTc) From: Dave Rodgers <rodgersd@my-deja.com>n1 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform1) Message-ID: <8u88gn$q9i$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n   > >S< > >Kerry please don't as a Compaq employee lecture anyone on/ > >product quality and "ponying up to the bar".  > >n  B Get a grip, Andrew. Nice try at a redirect. To stay focused, we'reB talking about a design flaw on a Sun flagship system, not laptops.  E All systems vendors have come out with a lemon or two over the years,e@ including DEC and Compaq. Compaq laptops USED to be in the top 5D consistently, but that has changed. Still, a pretty decent commodity product.  G Sun makes a ton of good iron, which I'm forced to work on it every day.:G But be damned if I'd spend $250K+ on a product with a DESIGN flaw until E that vendor fessed up and did the right thing. On that, we shall see.R  H Sun's engineers screwed the pooch on this one, and now its Sun's turn inA the spotlight. A lot can be said about the type and mettle of the E company Sun is on how they handle a situation like this. Reference ons# what not to do: Firestone and Ford.C  A > OK, let's let Sun Executive VP Shoemaker lecture Sun on productT > quality.  In this article: >( >EG http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/08/25/000825hnsunmemory.xmlL > 
 > He says: >*. >   "This has been a watershed event for Sun,"/ >   Shoemaker said, adding that the company has-- >   moved from the back of the class to class # >   leader with respect to quality.. >>B > So, during the period where almost all of the incidents you citeD > below occur, a Sun Exec VP admits that Sun was at the "back of the! > class" with respect to quality.w >c  H As I said, every vendor has its good and bad designs. Digital and CompaqE were never perfect, and didn't always handle each situation perfectly?A either. But, there was a long, long stretch where Digital's FieldaF Service (oops, dated myself) was either #1 or in the top 5 of hardwareB service providers WORLDWIDE. You simply can't do that if you screwF customers over. I recall and was personally involved in an engineeringH 'yank' of a problem machine off a customer's site. And these WERE $250K+@ systems that would fill a small truck, in those days. All in theA interests of customer satisfaction. A lesson Sun Service, and Sun7 Corporate, needs to learn.  E The entire industry is watching, Andrew. You guys better get with the  program.   Dave Rodgers Compaq Computers    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Nov 2000 21:44:13 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>t1 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform 7 Message-ID: <rjq4s1jc2xe.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>w  , young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:  _ > In article <3A069E60.46CBF7D7@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:v > > Rob Young wrote: >   E > > "Probably" you have no idea why it failed its acceptance tests dorC > > you. You are just FUDDING again. Come on Rob do better this is tG > > bad even for you or are you having the old "cut and paste" problem s& > > again that like your eBay FUDDING. > >  > D > 	But wait... they are re-issuing the bid.  Since there are several> > 	other HPC UE10000s below the Aussies in the Top 500, can we@ > 	assume they passed their accpetance testing?  If so, then the< > 	Aussies can't get their software to run?  Don't think so.A > 	You see Andrew, there are very few avenues of choice here.  Dor= > 	you think we should suppose they are being hung-up by some1< > 	third party product?  But yes, I am taking a chance there> > 	aren't I by stating "probably".  I was also taking a chance@ > 	in December 1999 when I assumed that the Sun UE10000 problemsD > 	were "long-standing" problems and wouldn't be going away any timeF > 	soon.  Of course I used very little projection there.  After all , I > 	the Gartner folks had shown us the "light" and we learned a whole lot  K > 	more in August 2000 regarding just how hard Sun was going about keeping i > 	this quiet.  @ This is the lead item in the IT section of the Australian today.A ( Tuesdays OZ is the nearest thing to a national IT news thing. )   F Calling a tender and re-starting strikes me a a big step, as the MarchA date screwes anyone who was looking at funding for next year. Thei% year starst in Jan here don't forget.f   -- f< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.u@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:21:16 +0100-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>61 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platformj) Message-ID: <3A080FDC.6584CABD@gtech.com>s   andrew harrison wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote:F > > Anyone with >2 years experience in the computer business know thatA > > laptops create excessive problems compared to other computersm> > > (and I have tried Compaq, Dell, IBM, Toshiba and Digital). > >e; > I currently have a Fujitsu it works well and I have neveri7 > had a problem with it that cannot be laid at the door  > of Microsoft., > / > Previously I had 3 Toshibas again no problem.  > - > Another of my collegues has had a series of31 > Thinkpads, no problem, he recently got a Compaq- > that promptly fell apart.   E So if you know someone that has a Ford, then all of Fords millions of)# cars produced every year are bad ??   ? Try and ask someone with serious laptop experience and you will C hear a long story of problems with every brand. The problems differs8 among brand and vintage, but there are always something.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:42:36 +0000o0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform>* Message-ID: <3A0822EC.9B835FB2@uk.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > =t   > andrew harrison wrote: > > Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:H > > > Anyone with >2 years experience in the computer business know thatC > > > laptops create excessive problems compared to other computersg@ > > > (and I have tried Compaq, Dell, IBM, Toshiba and Digital). > > > = > > I currently have a Fujitsu it works well and I have nevert9 > > had a problem with it that cannot be laid at the doors > > of Microsoft.b > >t1 > > Previously I had 3 Toshibas again no problem.c > >i/ > > Another of my collegues has had a series ofo3 > > Thinkpads, no problem, he recently got a Compaq  > > that promptly fell apart.h > =f  G > So if you know someone that has a Ford, then all of Fords millions of2% > cars produced every year are bad ??g > =t  A > Try and ask someone with serious laptop experience and you will E > hear a long story of problems with every brand. The problems differ9: > among brand and vintage, but there are always something. > =y   > Arne  < I don't think that is the point, the real question is should= Kerry be taking some sort of holier than thou attitude with =0  = other vendors when Compaq and Digital before them have such =r  6 a poor track record or should he refrain from making =   pronouncements. =     C Compaq/Digital may have "ponied up to the bar" over the RA-XX disksl: they didn't over the VAX9000 the MIPS fiasco, the Armada =  2 laptops the broken NT on Alpha promises etc etc. =    	 Regards =V   Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:02:13 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platformm* Message-ID: <3A082785.BAC246E0@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:I > , > In article <3A068E81.AA9DC60B@uk.sun.com>,4 > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >"Main, Kerry" wrote:M > >> > >V< > >Kerry please don't as a Compaq employee lecture anyone on/ > >product quality and "ponying up to the bar".  > >7 > A > OK, let's let Sun Executive VP Shoemaker lecture Sun on productc > quality.  In this article: > I > http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/00/08/25/000825hnsunmemory.xmls > 
 > He says: > . >   "This has been a watershed event for Sun,"/ >   Shoemaker said, adding that the company hasM- >   moved from the back of the class to classI# >   leader with respect to quality.m > B > So, during the period where almost all of the incidents you citeD > below occur, a Sun Exec VP admits that Sun was at the "back of the! > class" with respect to quality.e > J > >My collegue was the "proud owner" of a Compaq Armada Laptop that failedB > >4 times, he subsequently read a Gartner report published beforeI > >he aquired the machine telling him that the Armadas were sub-standard,(B > >and had been for some time and Gartner were not advising anyone@ > >to buy them at all until Compaq fixed the issues. Compaq wereE > >so good at fixing the machine that he junked it and got a Toshiba.r > >r > A > Hmm...  My Compaq Armada has worked flawlessly for over a year. ? > I once used a Dell that had some problems though... Don't youoB > just love anecdotes!?  They can prove almost any point you want! > 5 Errm no, I am not talking about the current products,o6 in the past Armadas have had very bad quality problems9 and you will notice an absence of postings from anyone in= Compaq supporting you.  4 BTW I loved the unconscious irony of your "Don't you just love anecdotes!?" classic.y  = > I'd be careful about using Gartner recommendations, Andrew. = > Gartner is currently advising customers to be very cautious : > with Sun Enterprise Server deployments due to unresolved > quality problems.h >   6 Sure so you are happy to beat Sun over the head with a7 Gartner report but whine when someone uses one to beat  / Compaq over the head. What was it you called it=
 an anecdote. =  B > >What about the VAX9000, late, slow, unreliable. The first AlphaC > >boxes which used to brown out. One of the UK's biggest InsuranceoD > >Companies kicked AlphaServers out because one totally browned outD > >in their machine room. Digital told them they shouldn't have beenB > >using a 3rd party Token Ring adaptor (which wasn't the cause of@ > >the problem). Even if this had been the cause of the problem,A > >Digital had sold the machines to be connected to the Customersn* > >network which was of course Token Ring. > >tC > >How about the MP MIPS Ultrix Box I think it was called somethingnF > >like the 3800, sold by Digital as a SMP 2 CPU machine, won businessC > >from Sun and HP etc on that basis, delivered with 1 CPU and whent> > >the 2and CPU turned up belatedly the machine generally wentC > >slower with 2 CPU's than with 1. An irate edu customer suggested D > >that if turning off the 2and CPU made the machine go quicker thenD > >perhaps turning off the 1st CPU would make the machine go as fast8 > >as Digital claimed it would when they sold it to him. > >=   Regards= Andrew HarrisonF Enterprise IT ArchitectH   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 18:25:45 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>1 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform=* Message-ID: <3A084929.F1D7BA99@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > _ > In article <3A0822EC.9B835FB2@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:  >  > > G > > Compaq/Digital may have "ponied up to the bar" over the RA-XX disks > > > they didn't over the VAX9000 the MIPS fiasco, the Armada = > >n >   >         Degrees of difference. > M >         The 9000 went down in flames and sold all of 120 boxes (IIRC).  The/O >         MIPS fiasco was not handled well and some folks don't buy Digital fortG >         any reason after that.  I'm sure a lesson was learned in bothrD >         situations.  Sun is in the midst of learning their lesson.@ >         Turning our attention to the UE10000 we see it is many@ >         magnitudes LARGER so much so that the trifecta at Sun,D >         Scotty Uptime , Johnny Shoe and Zurg are meeting regularly@ >         attempting to shuttle resources and work the phones toG >         ensure it doesn't go much further.  Unfortunately, it is onlyuC >         a matter of time (not if but when) the next major tank ofmD >         a UE10000 or 6500 makes the news.  Most likely to be heardL >         after the Sun kit is moved to more reliable servers as Gartner hasG >         recommended not using them for situations requiring more than  >         98 percent uptime. >   > Really you see Rob the problem with your statment is the greatB phrase "orders of magnitude". What do you think the actual failure> rate is due to eCache on Sun. No of course I forgot you don't = know do you, you just made up the orders of magnitude becauses* it sounds big and clever and its good FUD.  < Perhaps this will make an interesting data point for you. I < deal with two customers the first one has at the last count ? 600 Sun servers in the UK ranging from E220R's E420's, E4500's e? and E10000's. They have 6 E10000's 4 of which are fully loaded  > 2 of which have 56 CPU's, they have a total of over 2500 CPU's< installed. So home many failures do you think they have had.  = Want to guess you are good at that, well they have had 7. Now2= we arn't happy with that number but 7 failures in 2500 CPU's s is around 0.3%.   C The other customer has 60 Sun's mostly 4500's 6500's and  2 E10000sc and they have had 0 failures.i  E Now other customers have had more but and this will probably suprise  H you given your outright dismissal of the idea putting the cache scrubberG on and making use of the advice Sun has given them on the environmental E side has reduced the failure rate to 0 in at least 2 major customers c0 here in the UK who were getting eCache failures.  F >         Next tank?  Bold prediction?  Nahhh.  They have thousands ofF >         Sun UE10000s in the field.  They are crashing left and right= >         or the "red alert" team wouldn't be meeting at all.J >   @ I will leave you to the prediction game Rob it is after all your1 speciality though not possibly your stong point.    D Or do I need to remind you how bad your record is in the prediction 7 game its currently bumping along at arround 0 isn't it.r  D FUD and spin now you are much better at that, though you are getting some serious competition.E   Regards  Andrew Harrisony Enterprise IT Architectd   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 09:40:33 -05005 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>.Y Subject: TECSys ConsoleWorks is Console Management Solution of Choice for Compaq AlphaSero6 Message-ID: <8u945s$gcb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J TECSys Development's ConsoleWorks Is Console Management Solution of Choice  For Compaq AlphaServer GS SeriesC PLANO, Texas, Nov. 6 /PRNewswire/ -- TECSys Development, Inc. (TDI)eF announced today that Compaq Computer Corporation (NYSE: CPQ - news) isH shipping a tailored version of TDI's ConsoleWorks integrated into CompaqI AlphaServer GS series System Management Consoles. ConsoleWorks is used to H provide the modularity, functionality, and capability required to manageH Compaq's newest, highest performance servers, the AlphaServer GS Series.  E ConsoleWorks is a web-based console management solution utilizing web F technology to provide seamless console management that can be deployedG across an enterprise without modifying or interrupting existing managed H systems. The ConsoleWorks web server runs on a variety of platform hostsI such as Compaq OpenVMS (VAX or Alpha), Solaris, Linux, Compaq Tru64 UNIX,rF and Windows NT and provides a user interface through industry standardI browsers such as Netscape and Internet Explorer. Because ConsoleWorks cansJ manage Serial, Syslog, LAT, or Telnet consoles as well, it also provides aF cohesive solution for enterprise-wide console management regardless of6 operating system, hardware type, or hardware location.  E ``This offering continues and extends TDI's strong support for globalgL clients across all computing platforms. ConsoleWorks furthers TDI's positionB in the system management automation industry for business criticalG applications and enterprise-class solutions,'' said Bill Johnson, TDI's-
 president.  L ``Employing TDI's advanced management software extends the manageability andG flexibility of our new AlphaServer GS Series enterprise servers for our8L customers,'' said John Bennett, Director of AlphaServer Marketing at Compaq.J ``With Compaq Tru64 UNIX TruCluster or Compaq OpenVMS Galaxy solutions andC TDI's advanced platform management software Compaq is demonstratinge@ leadership in deploying the most manageable enterprise computing environments in the industry.''m  E ConsoleWorks supports logical grouping of consoles and provides eventpD auditing, acknowledgement, reporting, and tracking. It also supportsK Automatic, Acknowledge and Purge Actions and can perform bulk Event purges. H ConsoleWorks Events are accompanied by context-sensitive help, which canC contain customer modified hypertext links, possibly to a customer's G operations policy or to Compaq's error message and recovery procedures.hK ConsoleWorks' multi-layered security features enable separate user, consoleaD and server security as well as the establishment of user and console management profiles.  K For more information call TDI at 1 (800) 695-1258 or visit the ConsoleWorksx  website at www.ConsoleWorks.com.   About TECSys Development, Inc.  H TECSys Development, Inc. (TDI) is a private corporation dedicated to theF development and marketing of enterprise management software for a wideJ variety of operation systems such as OpenVMS, Unix, and Windows NT and forJ hardware vendors such as Compaq, Bay Networks, Brocade, Cisco, IBM, Intel, and Sun.  K TDI's primary focus is to develop and market enterprise management softwareeK for users who need state-of-the-art and lights-out automated solutions. TDIyL is especially skilled in providing quality products designed to promote dataE centers to the next level of enterprise automation. TDI also seeks tocL improve performance and management in systems used by operations and systemsI support personnel with advanced technology software products that exploit % hardware and software configurations.o  I TDI's customers include Fortune 50 companies as well as small businesses.nJ They not only provide support for their family of automation products, butI also provide training and consulting services for system users throughoute the United States.    SOURCE: TECSys Development, Inc.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:36:49 GMTn From: richard_maher@my-deja.comt Subject: Re: Time Zone) Message-ID: <8u8m01$4r7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>j   Hi,t  B I don't know whether there is a formal association but in Perth WAC ("West Australia" I think WA is also a state in the US?) the peopleoF have voted *NO*! in about four referenda (referendums?) forced on themD by governments hell bent on wasting money. I believe Queensland alsoD says *NO*! For those of you who don't know, these are the Australian/ states that actually get sunshine and a summer.k  B Thankfully we can enjoy numerous outdoor activities in the morningA before work, as well as after work. Nine holes of golf is rapidlyj becoming more popular.   Regards Richard Mahert  & PS. See you on Trigg Beach in January.  . In article <3A06B91E.D71D5BF3@alice.obspm.fr>,    vogt@astrna.na.astro.it wrote:/ > alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com wrote:eC > > Are there any grass-roots movements to abolish Daylight Stoopidp Time?aF > > I know we're way off topic here, but what the heck...  I ask every > > chance I get!t >e7 > There's an association against summer time in France.t >e > --% > 		Etienne Vogt (vogt @ na.astro.it)  >u    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------    Date: 07 Nov 2000 22:09:54 +08005 From: Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>i Subject: Re: Time Zone7 Message-ID: <rjqzojban65.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au>i  ! richard_maher@my-deja.com writes:a   > Hi,e > D > I don't know whether there is a formal association but in Perth WAE > ("West Australia" I think WA is also a state in the US?) the peopletH > have voted *NO*! in about four referenda (referendums?) forced on themF > by governments hell bent on wasting money. I believe Queensland alsoF > says *NO*! For those of you who don't know, these are the Australian1 > states that actually get sunshine and a summer.s  > There where only 2 years with daylight saving here; 1983-4 and 1975-6.t  E Looking at a map a thinking about the difference between LMT at Perth-B ( where 95% of WAs pop live ) and the nominal time Long is a hint.  ( > PS. See you on Trigg Beach in January.  5 Maybe we can invite Andrew Harrison  to North Cott ;)W   -- t< Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,7 +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda.1@                                              West Australia 6076. Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:27:18 +0100i= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r4 Subject: Re: Transfering users via FTP & email lost.) Message-ID: <3A081145.C47CF659@gtech.com>    Michael Angello wrote:H > I am using OVMS AXP V7.2 on a AS800, and I am migrating some user dataG > from other OVMS system to this one via ftp, because in the old systemcL > has no installed the network software feature needed to apply the COPY/RCPG > command which could may transfer all user data (including mail files) F > with all of the atributes preserved. So, I tried to transfer of thatH > info. via ftp, but when I try to read a user's email, the system shows > a message like:u >  > MAIL> dire > %MAIL-E-NOMSGS, no messages  > G > and when I try the following command, the system show the next msg...i >  > MAIL> dir/folderI > %MAIL-E-NOTISAM, operation cannot be performed on non-ISAM message filer > C > I have already tried to look for information about it issuing the0C > following command, but I there's no info available in my systems.S >  > $ help/message NOTISAM@ > %MSGHLP-F-NOTFOUND, message not found in Help Message databaseI > %MAIL-E-NOTISAM, operation cannot be performed on non-ISAM message file  > I > Please, what should I do to fix this problem?, I really need that emailpE > messages be available for reading from VMS Mail and don't be lost!.h? > Is there a better way for doing that transfer which I can do?   H Create a BACKUP save-set, FTP it, fix record-length and restore from it.  D FTP is only valid to transfer text files and normal fixed-length-5129 binary files. It is absolutely not valid for transferringn indexs-sequentiale files like MAIL.MAI.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2000 09:50 -0400" From: hein@miasys (SYSTEM MANAGER)4 Subject: Re: Transfering users via FTP & email lost.% Message-ID: <7NOV200009504933@miasys>d  v In article <20001107043225.25832.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net>, Michael Angello <techwebsite@netscape.net> writes... >Hello, G >I am using OVMS AXP V7.2 on a AS800, and I am migrating some user dataeF >from other OVMS system to this one via ftp, because in the old system  < Hmm, this question was also send to the VMS Wizard just now.  H IMHO if folks can deal with comp.os.vms, they should stick to just that.B To ask the question in two places is a waste of energy all around.J <This is NOT the official Compaq stance (it might be) but just my opinion>  F     Even though there might be minimal disk space available you should=     probably gather individual users files including the maila@     files (the MAIL.MAI main file and the MAIL$nnn.MAI extention@     files) into a backup saveset, transfer that, unpack on other>     side. Now you can delete that users files, the saveset and1     move on to a user with more diskspace in use.0     hth, 	Hein,   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 19:16:45 +0100 (CET)c: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>4 Subject: Re: Transfering users via FTP & email lost.H Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011071909470.732-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  * On Mon, 6 Nov 2000, Michael Angello wrote:   +Hello,tG +I am using OVMS AXP V7.2 on a AS800, and I am migrating some user data F +from other OVMS system to this one via ftp, because in the old system [...]  +MAIL> dir/folder H +%MAIL-E-NOTISAM, operation cannot be performed on non-ISAM message file [...] H +Please, what should I do to fix this problem?, I really need that emailD +messages be available for reading from VMS Mail and don't be lost!.> +Is there a better way for doing that transfer which I can do?  5  At first, you has only "corrupt" the file structure.o  You can still: - $ ANAL/RMS/FDL MAIL.MAI	! on the "old" systemA,  transfer the MAIL.FDL file to "new" and do:) $ CONVERT/FDL=MAIL MAIL.MAI;1  MAIL.MAI;2o                             ^e9                         suposing the file has ;1 before !b  2  You can do that for any file, althought it can be little irritating -;)   9  You have seen the "send save-set" point: sure, but stilli> you are forced to "correct" the file (save-set) data structure> with SET FILE/ATTR=... (described on the Wizard page, probably also in FAQ etc.)   '  *If* you can get ZIP/UNZIP - then use:    $ ZIP "-V" MAIL *MAIL.*!  B send the "pack" MAIL.ZIP with FTP/BIN and unzip it on remote site.@  Be aware: do not use other packer, AFAIK only ZIP can save file attributes.t  7 +Any comments are appreciated!!!!, Thanks in advance...     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:45:49 -05001 From: "Tommy Noble" <tommydotnoble@vistacomp.com>e- Subject: Virtual Terminals and Telnet (Alpha)o$ Message-ID: <VvGN5.37$Oh.805@client>  I I have seen Virtual Terminals set up and functioning properly with TCPIP,uH and have read all I know to exist in documentation on setting up VirtualL Terminals, I have this working for LAT sessions, but I cannot get it working1 on an Alpha with Telnet sessions for some reason.a  K I have modified TTY_DEFCHAR2 appropriately, setting the disconnect bit, and K rechecked it; it should be correct.  I suspect that default characteristicstL for Telnet sessions are determined or at least influenced by something else.  L This is working on an VAX, but cannot get it working on an Alpha.  I was not/ involved in setting it up on the VAX however...i   OpenVMS Alpha/7.2-1o  $ Any suggestions?  What am I missing?   TIA1   --+ -------------------------------------------  Tommy Noblee VISTA Computer Servicesi$ tommy dot noble at vistacomp dot com   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 18:03:58 -05001 From: "Tommy Noble" <tommydotnoble@vistacomp.com>w1 Subject: Re: Virtual Terminals and Telnet (Alpha)i% Message-ID: <UMGN5.39$Oh.1071@client>   ) Except I didn't read the release notes...e  0 Digital TCPIP Services for OpenVMS Release Notes   1.26 TELNET Virtual Terminals0  B The command SET COMMUNICATION/REMOTE_TERMINAL=VIRTUAL is no longerL available. Instead of using this command, define the following logical names> with a value of TRUE to turn on the corresponding VTA support.   TCPIP$RLOGIN_VTA TCPIP$TELNET_VTA  1 I have answered my own question; thanks anyway...m   Tv   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 22:38:34 GMTV From: kparris@my-deja.com $ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?) Message-ID: <8u7bt9$35u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote:G > Now I have a question:  WHY must the $allocation-class$ddcu[:] syntaxs beG > used?  As far as I can tell (and I have just read up on node and portaE > allocation classes), this is only necessary with dual-ported disks.t  > I haven't examined the code myself, but I asked someone in VMSC Engineering once and was told this was a consequence of the 16-byteaE limit on lock value block size in the lock manager.  Volume ShadowingaA apparently uses lock value blocks to pass around shadowset member H information, including device names, and at some point during the designG a decision had to be made on what could fit into a lock value block and G since an allocation class could fit into one byte, but an SCS node nametH would take 6 bytes (actually, the SCS spec. in fact allows for for up toH 15 characters, in theory) the nodename would not fit into whatever spaceE was available for it in a lock value block, so allocation classes aret/ required for all shadowset member device names.eG ----------------------------------------------------------------------- G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 11:31:44 +0100 (CET) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>? Subject: What happens with the info-vax<=>comp.os.vms gateway ? J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011071126060.30636-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ?  Have seen, that some messages are misses on the info-VAX side.    The latest example have are in:# "DCL symbol substitution hint[...]"h  or:& "Question about locking (sys$enq[...]"1  subject (have seen only the answer from Larry !)t  5  Can anyone confirm that also have seen the problem ?l=  Is the only way (to override the problem) two-time read bothr Info-VAX & news ?? -;[ ;<     Regards - Gotfryd   -- eE =====================================================================aF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEs. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:40:19 +0000a8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>C Subject: RE: What happens with the info-vax<=>comp.os.vms gateway ?iL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F93@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  J Postings to the news group which don't make it into people's mailboxes viaL the info-vax list are usually the result of posters using invalid reply/from
 addresses.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 12:24:41 GMTl From: abirkett@my-deja.com( Subject: Where's the Y2K compliance page) Message-ID: <8u8sa5$927$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t   HI,o  D I am looking for the URL of the Compaq product Y2K page (if it still exists). Can anybody oblige?   Thanks   Ade-   --D Intelligence is being able to listen to the William Tell overture...7                  ...without thinking of the Lone Ranger     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Nov 2000 14:23:59 GMT 2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Where's the Y2K compliance page6 Message-ID: <8u939v$g4p$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F In article <8u8sa5$927$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, abirkett@my-deja.com writes:E :I am looking for the URL of the Compaq product Y2K page (if it stille :exists). Can anybody oblige?e  E   Uh, why?  (Do you know something about 1-Jan-2001 that I don't? :-)a  E   Do you have a specific Y2K-related problem or Y2K-related question?s  H   Much of the Y2K information has been taken off-line and the retirementK   process will continue, as the information is no longer of any particular cF   relevence or value, and there is also a cost to maintain the search K   engines and related tools.  eg: I removed the Y2K section of the OpenVMS aG   FAQ (with advanced notice) in a recent issue, as I'd figured that fewo>   (or no) readers would be interested in half-year-old "news".  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 15:29:46 +0100r= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>n, Subject: Re: Where's the Y2K compliance page) Message-ID: <3A0811DA.1A267588@gtech.com>    abirkett@my-deja.com wrote:nF > I am looking for the URL of the Compaq product Y2K page (if it still > exists). Can anybody oblige?   For VMS see:  C http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/year-2000/index.htmls   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 16:21:05 GMTo From: abirkett@my-deja.com, Subject: Re: Where's the Y2K compliance page) Message-ID: <8u9a5c$jvf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>w  E Nothing serious, I just wanted to check that a product version that ad( customer had requested wasn't a bad one.  E In particular DEC C 6.0 and DEC Pascal 5.1-11 (now prefixed Compaq ofhE course) He also requested macro-64 but that's on the freeware CD. TheaE client will be using Alpha VMS 7.2-1 by the way. I'll probably end upr& putting the latest versions on anyway.   Adeu   --D Intelligence is being able to listen to the William Tell overture...7                  ...without thinking of the Lone Rangere    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.623 ************************