1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 13 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 635       Contents: 100BaseT on VAX XMI search Re: 100BaseT on VAX XMI search: 3 new Newsletter from Shannon Knows Compaq on Acersoft.com$ RE: ABS/MDMS Tape rotation questions4 Announce: Galaxa (old arcade game) ported to OpenVMS' Apache and DCL character limit for POST E Re: AS 255/233, which graphics card do I have without opening the box 6 Axent / Checkpoint Security Consultant - Now Available
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 Re: Time Zone : Re: Two Phase Commit (2PC) on VMS - the nature of the fuss: Re: Two Phase Commit (2PC) on VMS - the nature of the fuss: Re: Two Phase Commit (2PC) on VMS - the nature of the fuss' [ANN]: Data Plotting Library DISLIN 7.4   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:42:16 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> # Subject: 100BaseT on VAX XMI search F Message-ID: <c5TP5.9615$%%1.622620@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  F Does anyone know of, or have any comments on, any third party 100BaseTJ ethernet adapters that can be used on a VAX 7800 (with XMI)?  My VAXes nowJ have a mix of 10BaseT and FDDI.  This is inefficient, and our network guysI REALLY want to dump all of our FDDI gear.  Only three remaining VAX 7800s G still require FDDI here, and they will be here at least two more years. 0 (OVMS 7.1, for now and always on these systems).   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 15:55:44 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: 100BaseT on VAX XMI search * Message-ID: <3a1000f0$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <c5TP5.9615$%%1.622620@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:G >Does anyone know of, or have any comments on, any third party 100BaseT K >ethernet adapters that can be used on a VAX 7800 (with XMI)?  My VAXes now K >have a mix of 10BaseT and FDDI.  This is inefficient, and our network guys J >REALLY want to dump all of our FDDI gear.  Only three remaining VAX 7800sH >still require FDDI here, and they will be here at least two more years.1 >(OVMS 7.1, for now and always on these systems).   0 Keep with FDDI. It is there, standard and works.F If your netmgr wants to get rid of FDDI, let himself pay the adapters.K They are ridiculous pricey (if you finally find/get them) as XMI technology G is 'dead' and if you buy something it is a dead investment alltogether.   B Or take over the FDDI ring (at least for this 3 nodes) yourself...   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:59:02 GMT  From: infantino7777@my-deja.com C Subject: 3 new Newsletter from Shannon Knows Compaq on Acersoft.com ( Message-ID: <8up340$5k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  7 Terry posted three more newsletters for your viewing on  http://www.acersoft.com   % Top Stories from Shannon Knows Compaq   + + A DECUS UPDATE deep in the heart of Texas . + Compaq Storage: Gaining Momentum and SAN-ity. + Compaq and Oracle Renew the Partnership Vows   Enjoy     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:54:00 -0500 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>- Subject: RE: ABS/MDMS Tape rotation questions K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D05BAD2@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>   % In addition to Bob Boyd's comments...   I If you decide to let ABS and MDMS move multiple tapes to OFFSITE, I think E you will find under 3.0B that it will automatically move the first to H the ejection port, but the next may very well sit on the belt and not beK moved to the ejection port.  This is supposed to be fixed in ABS 3.1, which H is soon to be released... or so I am told from an open call I have with C Compaq.  So it is as Bob Boyd says, you have to fall back to manual  management or some DCL.   L I would tend to agree with Bob Boyd's comments about ABS and hints/kinks.  I  J am only just beginning to work with it, and I have found it to be somewhat challenging at times.    :) jck   > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Robert Boyd [mailto:rlboyd@bellsouth.net] + > Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 1:50 AM  > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com / > Subject: Re: ABS/MDMS Tape rotation questions  >  >  > Dave,  > > > This is a process that requires either manual management or  > some DCL code to> > manage this part.  You could have a post function procedure  > set the offsite date? > on the tape(s) that the current save request just wrote to.    > Or you could have a = > completely separate cleanup job that runs after all of the   > backups that will @ > modify the offsite date on all of the tapes.  Then as part of  > the weekly full < > backup, run another step that moves all of the tapes that  > have offsite dates& > that are in the correct time window. > : > If you are working with V3.0B be sure to get the latest  > builds from Compaq.  The= > ABS kit is up to build 57 and MDMS is up to 271 at least.    > You can see whatB > version you have by doing ABS SHOW VERSION and MDMS SHOW SERVER. > 9 > There are LOTS of hints/kinks to be had about ABS/MDMS   > depending on your B > specific requirements for managing the backup streams and media. > 
 > Bob Boyd > rlb14162@glaxowellcome.com >  > Dave Harrold wrote:  > > > > > I am in the process of installing and configuring ABS and 
 > MDMS V3.0B. 4 > > We are using a TL895 library with 4 TZ89 drives. > > F > > I am having a difficult time trying to figure out and plan for theG > > tape rotation.  What I would like to have is a Full backup once per H > > week and incrementals the other 6 days.  After that cycle is done, IF > > want all of the tapes used in that rotation to be ejected from the< > > library to be sent off-site.  I can't seem to have this  > setting of theG > > tape in MDMS to be OFFSITE be automatically.  Do I have to manually 7 > > set the offsite date?  If so, how are you doing it?  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:24:36 GMT % From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se> = Subject: Announce: Galaxa (old arcade game) ported to OpenVMS 2 Message-ID: <3A102451.256619D7@byron.ext.telia.se>   Hi,   " A quick port and you find it here:. http://byron.ext.telia.se/vms/vmsporting.htmlx     /P.Lj    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:56:46 GMT 0 From: "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net>0 Subject: Apache and DCL character limit for POSTD Message-ID: <yXVP5.14252$U4.799446@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  K I am running Compaq Secure Web Server on an Alpha running 7.2 of VMS.  I am C trying to submit a form via POST to a DCL command procedure but the + QUERY_STRING symbol keeps being hacked off.   C Is there a way to send a large stream of form data to a DCL command ' procedure without it being chopped off?    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:24:56 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> N Subject: Re: AS 255/233, which graphics card do I have without opening the box) Message-ID: <3A0FEBA8.9B643C4C@bbc.co.uk>    Paul Sture wrote:   F >  What does "show console" say (at the console prompt)? Mine's set to > "graphics" (no quotes).  > ___   A  Yup I did a >>> SET CONSOLE GRAHICS when I added the monitor and K moved from the serial console. The graphics card/monitor is working fine as ( a console but won't play with Motif :-(.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:21:31 +0000 J From: Sphinx Professional Services <professional.services@sphinxcst.co.uk>? Subject: Axent / Checkpoint Security Consultant - Now Available 9 Message-ID: <E13vJZU-0003zP-00@gate-isdn.sphinxcst.co.uk>   
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  this mail=20  for further details.   Regards,    Sphinx CST Professional Services http://www.sphinxpsd.co.uk   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:20:16 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  Subject: Re: BALSETCNTH Message-ID: <y4hf5cqilb.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  I VMS requires S0 (system) virtual space to do management of the page frame F database, which obviously increases in size when you increase physical memory.   J I doubt AUTOGEN will up VIRTUALPAGECNT on its own, because this is usually restrained by MODPARAMS.DAT.  0 I doubt BALSETCNT is directly related to Oracle.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:55:09 +0000  From: Laurie Finn <abc@def.com>  Subject: Beep on shutdown ' Message-ID: <3A102AFD.9C210C5C@def.com>    Dear all  H Apologies if this has been asked before, I searched the FAQ and Dejanews first.  < Our (standalone) Alpha machine (OVMS 7.1) repeatedly emits aG particularly painfully loud beep when I shut it down. I've searched all H the .com files called from shutdown.com and remmed out any lines which IC know to produce a beep, but it's still doing it. There must be some H commands which beep as a side effect. Has anyone got any ideas? Is thereE a way of disabling the beep from all programs (other than ripping the  beeper out of the machine!)?  H I have to do something about it cos my office mates are starting to hate- me for it. (and it's making me hate VMS too!)    Thanks in advance    Laurie   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:49:50 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>  Subject: Re: Change of IP subnet6 Message-ID: <200011130846.JAA19437@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  9 for all how did not read this email and would like to the = "I have made some questions, without any answer" thread, here  the original question:   Hello,  I we must change our IP subnet. The involved product is TCP IP services for D OpenVMS 4.2 ECO 1. Is there any way to change only the addresses andD the subnetmask, without running the configuration procedure on everyF node? We do have only one one bootnode cluster with a common UCX root.9 What are the hints, which I have to do before the change?    TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 13:10:00 GMTF From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Subject: Re: COBOL F$EDIT 6 Message-ID: <8uop78$5t6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ) Path: dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com!lederman  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Distribution: world  X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-32o References: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDFDC@seantexch.unitedad.com> <3A0CBBF7.E704A8E9@earthlink.net> 6 Reply-To: lederman@eisner.decus.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.org$ Organization: Personal Opinions Only Subject: Re: COBOL F$EDIT   ) Path: dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com!lederman  Newsgroups: comp.os.vms F From: lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) Distribution: world  X-Newsreader: mxrn 6.18-32o References: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDFDC@seantexch.unitedad.com> <3A0CBBF7.E704A8E9@earthlink.net> 6 Reply-To: lederman@eisner.decus.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.org$ Organization: Personal Opinions Only Subject: Re: COBOL F$EDIT   g In article <3A0CBBF7.E704A8E9@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >  >Terry Marosites wrote:  >>  
 >> Hi all, >>  O >>    I want to an f$edit from COBOL if I call lib$do_command I don't come back   A >I have memories from long ago of being able to call the BAS$EDIT C >function from BASIC run-time library from a non-BASIC 3GL. Perhaps F >someone else will chime in with the specifics. I think I read it here >first a while back.  B It is possible to call BAS$EDIT from any VMS language.  Some years? ago I wrote a routine to allow it to be called from Datatrieve.   : I am appending the original article here.  It shows how to< call the routine from C and Datatrieve.  Hopefully this will< be enough for someone to call it from COBOL (or someone else can show how to do it).h  7 Note that I wrote this years ago, long before I startedf; working for Compaq.  It is totally unofficial, and internalr; RTL routines that aren't documenented in one of the manuals ; are not officially supported.  However, it is unlikely thatu7 this RTL routine would change, because it would requirea! changing a lot of other software.o   ===========================H    ' A Multi-Purpose String Editing Functionk (Similar to DCL's F$EDIT)  which can be Added to 3GLs or DATATRIEVE.   Bart Z. Lederman  [former employer's name removed]    = I have often wanted to process a line of text in a program or @ DATATRIEVE procedure. In DCL, there is a useful lexical function@ F$EDIT which can convert a string to upper case, remove trailing@ blanks, convert multiple blank spaces and tabs to a single blank@ space, and other functions: and it can do all of those functionsB simultaneously. It was frustrating that there wasn't an equivalent LIB$ or STR$ function. d  D Since I don't normally use VAX BASIC, it was only by accident (whileC looking through someone else's program) that I discovered that such C a function is provided in VAX BASIC. What is even better is that itoC is in the BASIC Run-Time Library BASRTL.EXE, which is supplied withoB the VAX/VMS operating system. This means that everyone has it: you1 don't have to buy VAX BASIC to use the function. i  D Since I don't use VAX BASIC, I wanted to make the function availableA in VAX C. The following file which I call BAS$EDIT.H provides thec necessary definitions. r     #ifndef __BAS$EDIT_LOADEDm #define __BAS$EDIT_LOADED	1  #endif   /*B    Define a prototype and values for the VAX/BASIC EDIT$ function.  D    The EDIT$ function performs one or more string editing functions,2    depending on the value of its integer argument.      Example (in BASIC)a  (    New_string$ = EDIT$(Old_string$, 48%)      Example (in C)   8    (void) BAS$EDIT (&New_String, &Old_String, Edit-Exp);  E    New_String and Old_String are string descriptors passed by addressk    (reference).e  C    Edit-Exp is an integer value specifying one or more edit actionsr:    from the set listed below, which can be ANDed together.  8    There does not appear to be a return status to check.  <    All of the definitions here are my own and NOT Digital's.      Bart Z. Lederman	15-Jun-1992t */   void BAS$EDIT ();-   /*			Values		Effect				*/.  1 #define BAS$M_NOPARITY	1	/* Trim parity bits			*/o; #define BAS$M_COLLAPSE	2	/* Discard all spaces and tabs		*/(B #define BAS$M_DISFORM	4	/* Discard characters: CR, LF, FF, ESC,	*/ 				/* RUBOUT, and NULL			*/= #define BAS$M_DISLEAD	8	/* Discard leading spaces and tabs	*/iC #define BAS$M_COMPRESS	16	/* Reduce spaces and tabs to one space	*/,< #define BAS$M_UPCASE	32	/* Convert lowercase to uppercase	*/9 #define BAS$M_BRACKET	64	/* Convert [ to ( and ] to )		*/.A #define BAS$M_DISTRAIL	128	/* Discard trailing spaces and tabs	*/ @ #define BAS$M_KEEPQUOTE	256	/* Do not alter characters inside	*/ 				/* quotes				*/-  4 Any or all of the qualifiers can be "ORed" together.  ? To demonstrate what this function can do, I wrote the following  simple demonstration program.      #module TEST_EDIT "V1.03"    /*G    This is a very simple program to demonstrate calling BAS$EDIT from a     C language program.      B. Z. Ledermant */   #include DESCRIP  3 #include "BAS$EDIT.H"			/* use local definitions	*/c   /*D    In the original, the word "it" starts with an eight-bit character>    (an "i" with two dots over it) and there are embedded tabs. */  6 $DESCRIPTOR (instr, "This string   has stuff 	n it");  E /*                                            ^ space and tab here	*/l  F struct dsc$descriptor_s outstr = {0, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_D, 0};   unsigned long int status;=   test_edit () MAIN_PROGRAM {r%     status = LIB$PUT_OUTPUT (&instr);   A     BAS$EDIT (&outstr, &instr, (BAS$M_COMPRESS | BAS$M_UPCASE) );=  &     status = LIB$PUT_OUTPUT (&outstr); /*?    Watch what happens to the eight bit character when parity is.    stripped off. */C     BAS$EDIT (&outstr, &instr, (BAS$M_COLLAPSE | BAS$M_NOPARITY) );g  &     status = LIB$PUT_OUTPUT (&outstr);       exit (status); }:    / When you run this program, you should see this:o     This string   has stuff 	n it THIS STRING HAS STUFF N ITl Thisstringhasstuffonit    @ I also wrote the following program which runs through all of the, possible permutations of editing functions.      #module TEST_BAS_EDIT "V2.00"w   /*G    This is a very simple program to demonstrate calling BAS$EDIT from as    C language program.      B. Z. Lederman- */   #include DESCRIP  3 #include "BAS$EDIT.H"			/* use local definitions	*/e  ) $DESCRIPTOR (instr, " This string  [has] w stuff n it ");3  1 /* There is an embedded Line-Feed here    ^				*/f  F struct dsc$descriptor_s outstr = {0, DSC$K_DTYPE_T, DSC$K_CLASS_D, 0};   unsigned long int status;(   test_bas_edit () MAIN_PROGRAM {l
     int i;  %     status = LIB$PUT_OUTPUT (&instr);a       for (i = 0;  i < 512;  i++)r     {d 	BAS$EDIT (&outstr, &instr, i);w 	printf ("%d\n", i);# 	status = LIB$PUT_OUTPUT (&outstr);e     };       exit (status); }b    B All this is very well and good for 3GL programmers, but what aboutB DATATRIEVE? Anyone who has seen my articles in the past knows that> it's very easy to add RTL functions to DATATRIEVE. I added the$ following to my DTRFNDnnn.MAR file:     8 ; FN$BAS_EDIT - process a character string with BAS$EDIT ;							B. Z. Lederman" ; output is a one character string& ; input is an unsigned byte ASCII code ;o' 	.LINK	"SYS$SHARE:BASRTL.EXE"/SHAREABLE:  % $DTR$FUN_DEF FN$BAS_EDIT, BAS$EDIT, 31     $DTR$FUN_NOOPTIMIZE.%     $DTR$FUN_HEADER  HDR = <"Edited">o!     $DTR$FUN_EDIT_STRING ^\T(80)\ )     $DTR$FUN_OUT_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_STATUSaE     $DTR$FUN_IN_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_TEXT, OUT_PUT = TRUE, ALL_LEN = 255hW     $DTR$FUN_IN_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_DESC, DTYPE = DSC$K_DTYPE_T, ORDER = 1, ALL_LEN = 255hI     $DTR$FUN_IN_ARG  TYPE = FUN$K_VALUE, DTYPE = DSC$K_DTYPE_L, ORDER = 2n $DTR$FUN_END_DEF    D To use this you have to do what BASIC programmers do, and put in theD numeric value of the editing function. This is because you can't addB new keywords to DATATRIEVE to give symbolic values for the editingE functions. You can, however, DECLARE a local variable and give it thec' value of the editing function you want.)  ) An example of how this function works is:o     PROCEDURE TEST_BAS_EDIT  !  DECLARE EDIT_VALUE USAGE LONG. A !  EDIT_VALUE = 0 s ! G ! embedded Line Feed                     V        V eight-bit characterr( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]  stuff n it ", 0) | "<" ( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 1) | "<" ( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 2) | "<" ( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 4) | "<" ( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 8) | "<" ( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 16) | "<" E( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 32) | "<" r( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 64) | "<" @( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 128) | "<" ( PRINT FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	 stuff n it ", 256) | "<"  !  PRINT SKIP j !  WHILE EDIT_VALUE LE 512 BEGIN    PRINT EDIT_VALUE, SPACE 1, e&     FN$BAS_EDIT (" This string  [has]	! stuff n it ", EDIT_VALUE) | "<" M   EDIT_VALUE = EDIT_VALUE + 1  END  !  END_PROCEDURE     D Part of what this looks like when you run it follows (I'm not going + to print all 512 possible variations here):l    B :test_bas_edit  This string  [has]                      stuff n <  This string  [has]	"                         stuff on < Thisstring[has]                 stuffnit<   This string  [has]	stuff n i<  This string  [has]	. stuff n i<   This string [has] O                    stuff n i<  THIS STRING  [HAS]	"                         STUFF N <  This string  (has)	"                         stuff n <  This string  [has]	"                         stuff n <  This string  [has]	"                         stuff n <      EDIT     VALUE              0  This string  [has]	*                                 stuff n <            1  This string  [has]	*                                 stuff on <           2 Thisstring[has]t%                            stuffnit<O           3 Thisstring[has]s%                            stuffonit< +           4  This string  [has]	stuff n i<m+           5  This string  [has]	stuff on i<S%           6 Thisstring[has]stuffnit<.%           7 Thisstring[has]stuffonit<o    
 and so on.  B I belive this function will be most useful in two areas. The firstD is when data is read in from a text or "free-format" file and has toC be processed to be stored into a domain. The other is when the userlD is prompted for input: the function can be used to "normalize" inputB (uniform case, no extra spaces or tabs, etc.) to make it easier to4 look for words or commands within the input string.        -- n(  B. Z. Lederman   Personal Opinions Only  8  Posting to a News group does NOT give anyone permission8  to send me advertising by E-mail or put me on a mailing  list of any kind.  5  Please remove the "DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL" if you have ag5  legitimate reason to E-mail a response to this post..   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:29:14 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>f% Subject: Re: Compiler /tune switches.eH Message-ID: <y4em0gqi6d.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> writes:  6 > 	It depends very much on the application and what it@ > does.  If you know for certain that you're going to be running@ > on an EV6 system and you've got the very latest compilers (andB > thus the latest GEM backend), you might as well test and compare& > with and without /TUN=EV6+/ARCH=EV6.: > 	It appears unlikely that compiling this way and running- > on an EV6 would make the performance worse.a  L I have seen that - on a Linux Alpha, /arch0generic is faster than /arch=host" (by a few percent) on 187.facerec.   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:56:13 GMTr From: abirkett@my-deja.com% Subject: Re: DCPS page width questione( Message-ID: <8up2uo$2p$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  H From the postings, it sounds as if your form DCPS$DEFAULT has a width ofH 80 set ($show queue/form/full dcps$default) - I had a similar truncation3 problem that was resolved by increasing this to 132   E If your application is outputting directly to the device, it may wellaF ignore the queue settings and take the device settings - maybe someone can comment on this.   Ader   --D Intelligence is being able to listen to the William Tell overture...7                  ...without thinking of the Lone Rangeru    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:21:58 +0100i' From: "Xevi J&B" <xplanell@hotmail.com> : Subject: DEC3000 + OpenVMS 6.2 + UCX 3.3 + ISDN Problem..., Message-ID: <8uopuo$khd$1@diana.bcn.ttd.net>  J I have one DEC 3000 with ISDN access but i have some initial problens with   Open VMS....  J How can i do a easy connection to internet with ISDN ? Configuration is my   problem....e  ) This Old Alpha run OpenVMS 6.2 + UCX 3.3.   . All responses are welcome. Thanks in advance !  - PD: Any opinion about firewall 1.0 OpenVMS ??h   Xavier Planell   xplanell@bnsh.es   Spaine   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:10:47 GMTe4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)> Subject: Re: DEC3000 + OpenVMS 6.2 + UCX 3.3 + ISDN Problem...$ Message-ID: <HDSP5.7$XY5.233@insync>  & Xevi J&B (xplanell@hotmail.com) wrote:L : I have one DEC 3000 with ISDN access but i have some initial problens with :  : Open VMS.... : L : How can i do a easy connection to internet with ISDN ? Configuration is my : 
 : problem....t : + : This Old Alpha run OpenVMS 6.2 + UCX 3.3.- : 0 : All responses are welcome. Thanks in advance ! : / : PD: Any opinion about firewall 1.0 OpenVMS ??  :  : Xavier Planell :  : xplanell@bnsh.es :  : SpainV :   I The easiest way would be to get an ISP who will provide you with a fixed .B IP address, and buy an ISDN router, such as the 3COM OfficeConnect
 LAN Modem:  2   http://www.3com.com/products/dsheets/400396.html   OfficeConnect ISDN LAN Modem    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.nete;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidh2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:02:11 +0000y- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-> Subject: Re: DEC3000 + OpenVMS 6.2 + UCX 3.3 + ISDN Problem...) Message-ID: <3A101E93.5E318138@bbc.co.uk>e  F I do know the ISDN port on the 3000 series was never supported by VMS.     Xevi J&B wrote:6  L > I have one DEC 3000 with ISDN access but i have some initial problens with >> > Open VMS.... >oL > How can i do a easy connection to internet with ISDN ? Configuration is my >s
 > problem....e >n+ > This Old Alpha run OpenVMS 6.2 + UCX 3.3.  >i0 > All responses are welcome. Thanks in advance ! >n/ > PD: Any opinion about firewall 1.0 OpenVMS ??I >a > Xavier Planell >i > xplanell@bnsh.es >q > Spain    --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:05:44 GMTi From: ryanfleming@my-deja.comh Subject: DecWindowst) Message-ID: <8uosfj$qcs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  8 Sorry, My Last Post I had a small typograhpical error...  ; I have two Alpha 800s running OS V7.1-2 and UCX V4.2 ECO 3. < I am able to use exceed to launch a remote decwindow on a PCB I AM NOT able to launch a remote decwindow from one Alpha (not PC, oops) to the other."F I have gone into the style manager under security and have two entries on each alpha:     TCPIP x.x.x.x * 
     TCPIP * *N- Where x.x.x.x is the other Alphas IP address..: I also added the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM3 I made sure the TCPIP was mentioned as a transport./  D I attempt to launch the window by connecting to Alpha B using telnet4 (from Alpha A's decwindow) and typing the following:6      $ SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=x.x.x.x/TRANSPORT=TCPIP      $ CREATE/TERMINAL/DETACH  I get the following reult:0      %DECW-E-CANT_OPEN_DISPL, Can't open displayF The above two commands works just fine for exceed.  Would anyone be so) kind as to show me what I am doing wrong?.      Thanks:         Ryan    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:45:11 -0600n) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>  Subject: Re: DecWindowsF/ Message-ID: <t0vvh8ooch6j93@corp.supernews.com>w  * <ryanfleming@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8uosfj$qcs$1@nnrp1.deja.com... : > Sorry, My Last Post I had a small typograhpical error... >s= > I have two Alpha 800s running OS V7.1-2 and UCX V4.2 ECO 3.d> > I am able to use exceed to launch a remote decwindow on a PCD > I AM NOT able to launch a remote decwindow from one Alpha (not PC, > oops) to the other. H > I have gone into the style manager under security and have two entries > on each alpha: >     TCPIP x.x.x.x *  >     TCPIP * *o/ > Where x.x.x.x is the other Alphas IP address. < > I also added the SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM5 > I made sure the TCPIP was mentioned as a transport.     Did you restart DECwindows with:  ! @sys$manager:decw$startup restartt  I From the system account after making the change?  It does not take effectr# until the command procedure is run.d   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:48:16 +0000a0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>: Subject: Re: Disk write-back cache - how do I turn it off?* Message-ID: <3A0FF120.A33145D9@uk.sun.com>  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:  >  > cc:e > bcc:N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza > / > Disk write-back cache - how do I turn it off?t > 	 > Hi all,t > Q > We are having some problems here with file corruptions related to Oracle files.wI > Oracle have suggested that we turn off write-back caching on the disks.  > Q > I have turned off write-back cache on the controllers (HSZ70s) but am unsure astO > to how I mount the disk - or set the volume - so that write-back cache is notd0 > enabled as shown if you do a SHOW DEVICE/FULL; > F I can understand why turning write back caching on the disks off mightA be desirable, I assume that the disk drives themselves don't haveu mirroredG NVRAM caches. But I am confused about why you would need to turn write gI caching off on your disk controller which presumabaly does have mirrored a
 NVRAM caches.o  H I have not heard this advice being offered for UNIX systems and I cannot8 see why having VMS as the OS would make any difference.   @ The only time I have heard of a similar recommendation was for a	 specific nC RAID array which had an issue that was fixed by disabling the writec cache.  G Have Oracle explained why they have concluded that write caches on the -C controller cause data corruption or are they trying every availablen option  9 in the hope that one of them will make the issue go away.    Regardse Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT ArchitectA   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:10:31 GMTe( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>( Subject: Re: Drivers for DE435 and DE500' Message-ID: <G3yHHJ.FnI@spcuna.spc.edu>    janicmx@aramco.com.sa writes:t5 > Where on the web can I find the OpenVMS drivers forT. > DEC's older NICs (DE435 , DE450 and DE500) ? >n9 > I tried going to www.compaq.com/support but no success.m  H   VMS drivers? They should be bundled with VMS for "recent" VMS versionsG (these cards have been out for a _long_ time). I think the last versiontI that needed patches to add support for the DE500-BA was VMS V6.2, and ther' -XA and -AA were supported before that.a     Try: aL http://search.support.compaq.com/cgi-bin/query?mss=simple&filter=vms&q=de500L http://search.support.compaq.com/cgi-bin/query?mss=simple&filter=vms&q=de435" and browse the matching documents.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAE   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 07:25:48 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)a# Subject: Re: f$search improvement ?	5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-zuttBedbsFZz@localhost>U  6 On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:12:27, "Jean-Franois Marchal" ' <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:P   > Bonjour  tous.c  H > As a second point, is there any reason why f$search does not return ""C > at the second call when the argument does not contain wildcards ?	  F Trying to remember the documentation leads me to the following thought :-  $      x = f$search("valid_file.spec")  D will return the expanded filespec if it exists and "" if it doesn't.  D This is a one-off operation as f$search() has _all_ the information D that its needs to answer the question. It does not need and so does E not maintain a search context after completing the action. Repeating  D the command repeats the action. There is no previous context so the  result is the same.R   On the other hand :-      x=  f$search("*.for")  F requires that a search context _is_ maintained in case the command is E called more than once. A second call will use the search context and .F find the next file that meets the criteria. The "" is returned when no, more files are found that meet the criteria.   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:45:40 +0100 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr># Subject: Re: f$search improvement ? . Message-ID: <8uo60q$q2l$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  : "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message/ news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-zuttBedbsFZz@localhost...a7 > On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 12:12:27, "Jean-Franois Marchal"T) > <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:N >R > > Bonjour  tous.s >LJ > > As a second point, is there any reason why f$search does not return ""E > > at the second call when the argument does not contain wildcards ?S >NH > Trying to remember the documentation leads me to the following thought > :- >w& >      x = f$search("valid_file.spec") >uF > will return the expanded filespec if it exists and "" if it doesn't.   Agreed   >vE > This is a one-off operation as f$search() has _all_ the informationgE > that its needs to answer the question. It does not need and so doesAF > not maintain a search context after completing the action. RepeatingE > the command repeats the action. There is no previous context so thee > result is the same.t  E Could we imagine that giving a context as a second argument would letnF f$search think it is called from within a loop, so returning "" at the second call would be desired ?   >) > On the other hand :- >5 >    x=  f$search("*.for") >&G > requires that a search context _is_ maintained in case the command istF > called more than once. A second call will use the search context andH > find the next file that meets the criteria. The "" is returned when no. > more files are found that meet the criteria. >t > Cheers - Dave. >o  F Just as a background, I had written a procedure to help a user to findI its files in a directory (along with the shelvable attribute). Everything I worked well till a user type a name without wildcard that matched exactly ? with a file name. The loop f$search was the key ran endless ...A   Cordialement
 Jean-FranoisF   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:59:54 +0000T- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>N# Subject: Re: f$search improvement ? ) Message-ID: <3A100FFA.53C9038A@bbc.co.uk>h   "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote:   > " G > > This is a one-off operation as f$search() has _all_ the informationPG > > that its needs to answer the question. It does not need and so does H > > not maintain a search context after completing the action. RepeatingG > > the command repeats the action. There is no previous context so thew > > result is the same.e >mG > Could we imagine that giving a context as a second argument would letlH > f$search think it is called from within a loop, so returning "" at the  > second call would be desired ? >s  & Yes, I know where you are coming from.   [snip]   >U >EH > Just as a background, I had written a procedure to help a user to findK > its files in a directory (along with the shelvable attribute). Everything K > worked well till a user type a name without wildcard that matched exactlyiA > with a file name. The loop f$search was the key ran endless ...i >,  I Yes, I have had to insert a check for a wildcard in the search string and L have two code paths, one with a loop (if "*" found in search string) and one6 without (no "*" found) in some procedures I have made.  1 Unless we are both missing something obvious here      >, > Cordialement > Jean-Franois"   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk6  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofN MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:48:38 +0000"- From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> # Subject: RE: f$search improvement ? = Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE01528F47@REAES2>l   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Tim Llewellyn [mailto:tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk] > Sent: 13 November 2000 16:00 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: Re: f$search improvement ?  >  > > J > > Just as a background, I had written a procedure to help a user to findB > > its files in a directory (along with the shelvable attribute).
 EverythingE > > worked well till a user type a name without wildcard that matched  exactly C > > with a file name. The loop f$search was the key ran endless ...n > >T > K > Yes, I have had to insert a check for a wildcard in the search string and J > have two code paths, one with a loop (if "*" found in search string) and one 8 > without (no "*" found) in some procedures I have made. > 3 > Unless we are both missing something obvious here  >   F Well you're making heavy weather of it. You don't need 2 separate codeH paths. If you've stored the last file name, you can do both in one line.- with a nice DCL hack. e.g. see TEST.COM below   F $ strm = f$int(f$cvt(,,"TIME")-":"-":"-".") !(any old no. as a stream)E $ next_file = "/"                           !(Don't start with null!)e $ File_Loop: $  last_file = next_file! $  next_file =  f$SEARCH(p1,strm)o4 $  IF f$LOCATE(next_file,last_file) .EQ. 0 THEN EXIT= $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT NEXT_FILE               !   Or whatever..e $  GOTO FILE_LOOPp  G - The line f$LOCATE(next,last) will achieve both checks simultaneously.kH If there is no wildcard in P1, then the second call to f$search producesG the same output as the first call - 'next' and 'last' are identical, soyF an f$locate of the one in the other produces a value of zero. If thereF is a wildcard in p1, then when it runs out of filenames 'next' will beG null, and f$locate(<null>,<anything>) will always produce a value of 0.-H Thus, this will work reliably for any value of p1 when you enter @test.   F But I agree it would be a nice enhancement if f$search always returnedG a null string on a second call to f$search to an non-wildcarded spec ifmF a stream id is present. It's not high on my wish list though. It wouldF just make the code a little simpler to understand. What is going on inD the above code is not immediately intuitive, but clear enough, with  maybe a little in-line comment.y      -- Cheers, John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg didhE   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems then D   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).    K ___________________________________________________________________________-B This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of a Sema Group. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received thiseI email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or t- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.g  E If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group . Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________h   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 06:57:58 GMTo From: cd_root@my-deja.com-3 Subject: Free Online Sample Certification Questions1) Message-ID: <8uo3dl$7n1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h  E We've just added more questions to our free online database of sample  certification questions.   MCSE questions are located atD/ http://www.networkessentials.com/certified/mcsep   OCP questions are located at:o. http://www.networkessentials.com/certified/ocp   CSA questions are located at:e. http://www.networkessentials.com/certified/sca  ! OpenVMS questions are located at:a. http://www.networkessentials.com/certified/vms   Perl questions are located at:/ http://www.networkessentials.com/certified/perl-   jc    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.L   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:19:30 GMTS From: jgessling@my-deja.com.7 Subject: Re: Free Online Sample Certification Questionsa) Message-ID: <8up4a8$1ff$1@nnrp1.deja.com>3  ; I may be the only one, but I think these questions are just B plain stupid.  So you take the sysgen parameters and ask what typeC they are?  (dynamic, autogen etc..) That's a simple way to generatea@ a lot of questions but for what purpose?  Would you hire someoneA based on their knowing that WINDOW_SYSTEM is a dynamic parameter??  : Or how about this one, "Which of the following are default9 privileges when adding a user through AUTHORIZE?"  Sorry,v8 the answer is it depends on the defpriv's of the DEFAULT( account, not any of the 5 choices given.  ; On second thought, maybe this would be a good test.  If thei9 candidate understands how stupid it is, they would likely6 be well qualified.   Jim     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:05:01 +0000-- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>m7 Subject: Re: Free Online Sample Certification QuestionsD) Message-ID: <3A101F3D.3AB77E2D@bbc.co.uk>e   jgessling@my-deja.com wrote:  = > I may be the only one, but I think these questions are justsD > plain stupid.  So you take the sysgen parameters and ask what typeE > they are?  (dynamic, autogen etc..) That's a simple way to generateSB > a lot of questions but for what purpose?  Would you hire someoneC > based on their knowing that WINDOW_SYSTEM is a dynamic parameter?V >6  @ Agreed, I got VERY bored with this test when I tried a few weeksE ago. All it is testing is the ability to cram your head full of factsa for the E exam or to use VMS SYSMAN help. In real life, it is more important touD know where to research the details when you need to use a particular tool.i     >l< > Or how about this one, "Which of the following are default; > privileges when adding a user through AUTHORIZE?"  Sorry, : > the answer is it depends on the defpriv's of the DEFAULT* > account, not any of the 5 choices given. >l= > On second thought, maybe this would be a good test.  If thec; > candidate understands how stupid it is, they would likelyo > be well qualified. >a   :-)A  --86 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:34:24 -0600t* From: "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca>: Subject: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!/ Message-ID: <ZKUP5.1053$Ym.28258@news1.mts.net>p  / http://www.openvms.compaq.com/dummies_book.htmln  H     Compaq is giving this book away for free.  Unless you live in CanadaK that is.  Seriously, I called the number at the bottom of the page and they B told me I can't have it.  Am I the ONLY Canadian OpenVMS customer?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:57:37 -0500 6 From: "S Paquin" <stephane.paquin@nospam.ispatnet.com>> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!2 Message-ID: <64VP5.62343$Z2.856314@nnrp1.uunet.ca>  I     Strange. I have requested a copy in June and have received it 2 weeksl> later in Montreal. I requested the copy from Richard Marcello.       Regardsm     Stephane    3 Mark-Simon Pope <mpope@bristol.ca> wrote in messagep) news:ZKUP5.1053$Ym.28258@news1.mts.net... 1 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/dummies_book.htmlp >8J >     Compaq is giving this book away for free.  Unless you live in CanadaH > that is.  Seriously, I called the number at the bottom of the page and theyD > told me I can't have it.  Am I the ONLY Canadian OpenVMS customer? >e >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:54:20 -0500.- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>e> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!/ Message-ID: <t10768ive7gt37@corp.supernews.com>   5 "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> wrote in messageo) news:ZKUP5.1053$Ym.28258@news1.mts.net...r1 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/dummies_book.htmlg > C >     Compaq is giving this book away for free.  Unless you live inh CanadaD > that is.  Seriously, I called the number at the bottom of the page and theyD > told me I can't have it.  Am I the ONLY Canadian OpenVMS customer?  C Ask whoever you usually deal with at Compaq. If you have an account2D rep then they can get you one, or even try your field service personC the next time they are in. Our account rep gave us a few so I neverlA did ask the field service person, but from what I heard anyone inrB Compaq Canada can order part number 11N3-0200A-WWEN and give it to you.    
 ----------B "How many Americans do we have in the audience tonight?... oh, Im( sorry, I forgot you people cant count. Mike Bullard 9-OCT-2000k   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:07:15 -0600d* From: "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca>> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!/ Message-ID: <MdVP5.1057$Ym.28218@news1.mts.net>h  J Thanks, I've got my rep on the job. Still, it's very dishartning to see an@ entire country ignored.  I can't order ANY products on-line from www.openvms.compaq.com.n    8 "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message) news:t10768ive7gt37@corp.supernews.com... 7 > "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> wrote in message + > news:ZKUP5.1053$Ym.28258@news1.mts.net...u3 > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/dummies_book.htmld > > E > >     Compaq is giving this book away for free.  Unless you live ins > CanadaF > > that is.  Seriously, I called the number at the bottom of the page
 > and theyF > > told me I can't have it.  Am I the ONLY Canadian OpenVMS customer? >hE > Ask whoever you usually deal with at Compaq. If you have an account F > rep then they can get you one, or even try your field service personE > the next time they are in. Our account rep gave us a few so I never:C > did ask the field service person, but from what I heard anyone iniD > Compaq Canada can order part number 11N3-0200A-WWEN and give it to > you. >m >c > ----------D > "How many Americans do we have in the audience tonight?... oh, Im* > sorry, I forgot you people cant count. > Mike Bullard 9-OCT-2000o >u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:13:03 -0300r) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!L Message-ID: <OF312DE949.A5CB9C3D-ON03256996.0063F6BA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  E I requested  this book a few weeks ago and I received at home (Rio dem Janeiro / Brazil).E I friend of mine tries to request the same book two weeks ago and they
 OpenVMS Storet didnt answer him ....w   Regardsh   FC              ; "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> em 13/11/2000 14:34:24eL                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!   >                                                                             / http://www.openvms.compaq.com/dummies_book.htmli  H     Compaq is giving this book away for free.  Unless you live in CanadaK that is.  Seriously, I called the number at the bottom of the page and theyhB told me I can't have it.  Am I the ONLY Canadian OpenVMS customer?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:54:50 +0000e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>.> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!) Message-ID: <3A102AEA.C2737233@bbc.co.uk>    Mark-Simon Pope wrote:  L > Thanks, I've got my rep on the job. Still, it's very dishartning to see anB > entire country ignored.  I can't order ANY products on-line from > www.openvms.compaq.com.n >u  + Its not just you, its everyone but the USA.   --:6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukr  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:12:32 -0500 2 From: "Akshaya Gupta" <akshaya@nortelnetworks.com>" Subject: Re: FTP beyond a firewall0 Message-ID: <8up0qv$rct$1@bcrkh13.ca.nortel.com>  	 Hi Craig,   E Thanks for your suggestion.  I have tried it.  I am getting followingnL message after executing this command, whereas, I have checked that my remote site is active at that moment.  * %FTP-E-NETERR, I/O error on network device! -SYSTEM-F-TIMEOUT, device timeoute  ) Could you suggest me what has gone wrong.t   Thanks,a	 ~ Akshaya   = "Akshaya Gupta" <akshaya@nortelnetworks.com> wrote in messaget* news:8uhh8g$nok$1@bcrkh13.ca.nortel.com...J > I need to FTP files from VMS to a UNIX box.  This UNIX box is behind theK > firewall and needs another authentication of username and password.  I ammK > able to connect to this unix box interactively.  But, when I am trying toaF > put things in a DCL script, it fails.  As FTP common on VMS side has optionH > of one /USERNAME and one /PASSWORD attributes only.  Is there any work aroud J > for doing the FTP across a firewall.  I am sure some one must have tried > this before. > 
 > Regards, > ~ Akshayau >. >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:34:58 GMTe2 From: vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com (Vinnie Saladino)? Subject: Help... Need Software to Logoff users after 20 minutes-- Message-ID: <3a0ffb11.424525565@news.ggn.net>0  @ Does anyond know the name of the company that sells software forD Open-VMS that monitors users terminals for inactivity, and logs them off after a time limit ?  9   Please e-mail responces to   vincent.saladino@gsxxi.coms Thanks!(   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:31:09 GMTI= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) C Subject: Re: Help... Need Software to Logoff users after 20 minutesc0 Message-ID: <009F30E5.4CC844F6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  b In article <3a0ffb11.424525565@news.ggn.net>, vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com (Vinnie Saladino) writes:A >Does anyond know the name of the company that sells software foreE >Open-VMS that monitors users terminals for inactivity, and logs themi >off after a time limit ?E > : >  Please e-mail responces to   vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com >Thanks!   Take a look at KBLock:  . http://www.legacytech.net/Products/kblock.html   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMh             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:20:39 -0500t0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>C Subject: Re: Help... Need Software to Logoff users after 20 minutesr2 Message-ID: <sAYQOnXrQycS=Yz3rfjc7nHM2x3W@4ax.com>   HITMAN from Saiga Systems.  D On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:34:58 GMT, vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com (Vinnie Saladino) wrote:  A >Does anyond know the name of the company that sells software foryE >Open-VMS that monitors users terminals for inactivity, and logs themp >off after a time limit ?t >B: >  Please e-mail responces to   vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com >Thanks!   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:49:44 -0500s: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>C Subject: RE: Help... Need Software to Logoff users after 20 minutes K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D05BAD3@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>   I Saiga Systems is the company.  The product is Hitman.  You can check them ; out at http://www.saiga.com/.  We have been very satisfied.    :) jck   > -----Original Message-----F > From: vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com [mailto:vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com]) > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:35 AMa > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comfA > Subject: Help... Need Software to Logoff users after 20 minutes  >  > B > Does anyond know the name of the company that sells software forF > Open-VMS that monitors users terminals for inactivity, and logs them > off after a time limit ? > ; >   Please e-mail responces to   vincent.saladino@gsxxi.comh	 > Thanks!m >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:31:31 +01002' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>hC Subject: Re: Help... Need Software to Logoff users after 20 minutes * Message-ID: <3A103383.61B60AD9@iaf.fhg.de>   Vinnie Saladino wrote: > B > Does anyond know the name of the company that sells software forF > Open-VMS that monitors users terminals for inactivity, and logs them > off after a time limit ? > ; >   Please e-mail responces to   vincent.saladino@gsxxi.comI	 > Thanks!U    E We use WATCHER on Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1 systems since years without anyi problem and it's free!!!  9 http://www2.wku.edu/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?WATCHERr     Regards, -- e  ; ***********************************************************l; *                                                         *o; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *c; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  * ; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *a; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       * ; *  Germany                                                *n; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           * ; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *s; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *t; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *o; *                                                         *e; ***********************************************************s   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:38:44 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>; Subject: Re: I have made some questions, without any answer 6 Message-ID: <200011130834.JAA19389@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  C thanks to Arne. Now I know, that I not out of the world. Now to the_ answers:   	1. Change of IP subnet: 	>>>@ If UCX try @SYS$MANAGER:UCX$CONFIG or @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG. 	<<<> 	   Yes Arne I know it. but I think that's not the easiest wayB 	   to change all the OpenVMS nodes. Is there any commandprocedure= 	   to do that change as batch? What should be changed files,n: 	   logicals,...)? How to change the HOSTS database with a 	   command procedure? etc.d  8 	2. Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files: 	>>>* Standard symbionts do not convert. Period. 	<<<B 	   Some symbionts do, like the DCPS symbiont. So the question is,> 	   is it possible to have an DCPS generic queue and a UCX LPD? 	   execution queue? The Canon color printer can not be managed-C 	   by DCPS queue manager. All job submits go to the DCPS queue andj@ 	   should be translated (if there is an translate modul) to PS.  & 	3. OpenVMS 7.1-2 and cluster forming: 	>>> No idea. 	<<<@ 	   That's hard to me, I do have also no idea. Anybody else, who 	   do know more?e   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:06:06 +0000t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ; Subject: Re: I have made some questions, without any answerc) Message-ID: <3A10116E.6B26709B@bbc.co.uk>o   Rudolf Wingert wrote:t   > Hello, >cE > thanks to Arne. Now I know, that I not out of the world. Now to thes
 > answers: >r! >         1. Change of IP subnet:j
 >         >>>wB > If UCX try @SYS$MANAGER:UCX$CONFIG or @SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG.
 >         <<< G >            Yes Arne I know it. but I think that's not the easiest wayeK >            to change all the OpenVMS nodes. Is there any commandprocedure F >            to do that change as batch? What should be changed files,C >            logicals,...)? How to change the HOSTS database with a $ >            command procedure? etc. >   8 Well, UCX/TCPIP SET INTERFACE seems the way to go to me.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uku  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofp MedAS or the BBC.T   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:40:44 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg); Subject: Re: I have made some questions, without any answere+ Message-ID: <$jayMxCS62Nc@eisner.decus.org>d  7 In article <3A10116E.6B26709B@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn-! <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  >  - > Rudolf Wingert wrote:m > 	 >> Hello,c >>; >> thanks to Arne. Now I know, that I not out of the world.  >> Now to the answers: >>" >>         1. Change of IP subnet: >>         >>>( >> If UCX try @SYS$MANAGER:UCX$CONFIG or 	@SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$CONFIG.t >>         <<<< >>            Yes Arne I know it. but I think that's not theC >>            easiest way to change all the OpenVMS nodes. Is theretD >>            any command procedure to do that change as batch? WhatB >>            should be changed files logicals,...)? How to change? >>            the HOSTS database with a command procedure? etc.i > : > Well, UCX/TCPIP SET INTERFACE seems the way to go to me.  I Of course if you want the setting to still be there after you restart theu$ TCP prgram, you should probably use:   UCX SET CONFIG INTERFACE ... UCX SET HOST or UCX SET NOHOST   -John, wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:40:28 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)$ Subject: Re: Malloc + debug question, Message-ID: <8up5hs$pcg@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  \ In article <3A0CFCC1.12DFE90D@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >d >DECC, VMS 7.2 (vax) >fL >I have a bug which propped up on a program. It reproduces at the same place& >when processing a batch of messages.  >oE >early in the message, I malloc a 21 byte string to hold a file name.uH >then, as I process the data for that message, I malloc various strings. >AM >In that processing, malloc at one point gives me an address that is equal to4I >that of the first string that was malloced. The program then effectivelyM( >overwrites the data of the first field. >gL >Are there known problems where malloc  will reuse space that wasn't freed ?  K What makes you so sure that the space was not freed accidentally?  RedefineiJ free() to point to your own routine and log the releases and you'll likelyG see that some other pointer has been corrupted and is freeing the wrongcG piece of memory.   If you use realloc() anywhere understand that it doo7  could also release that memory.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech .J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:54:19 +0100 (MET)w& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>@ Subject: Re: Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files6 Message-ID: <200011130850.JAA19442@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  9 for all how did not read this email and would like to thetB "Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files" thread, here the original question:   Hello,  E we do have a lot of PostScript printers (the most one are Canon color:D printers), which are not supported by DCPS. I am able to use DCPS toA convert non PostScript files to Postscript and send them to a LPDt queue?   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:55:19 -0500m0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>@ Subject: Re: Network PostScript printer and non PostScript filesC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-3201C8.12551913112000@news.compaq.com>a  F In article <200011130850.JAA19442@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert  <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:  F > I am able to use DCPS to convert non PostScript files to Postscript  > and send them to a LPD queue?h  F Because DCPS needs a bidirectional connection to a printer, it is not - possible to send DCPS output to an LPD queue.    Paul   -- a,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:54:26 GMTp From: infantino7777@my-deja.comO9 Subject: Newsletter from Shannon Knows Compaq just posted ) Message-ID: <8up2re$vvp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ) Three new newsletters were just posted onp http://www.acersoft.comt      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:55:56 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>. Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.1-2 and cluster forming6 Message-ID: <200011130852.JAA19452@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  9 for all how did not read this email and would like to thee0 "OpenVMS 7.1-2 and cluster forming" thread, here the original question:   Hello,  F since our upgrade of OpenVMS from 7.1-1H1 to 7.1-2 we can't reboot ourI bootserver. In the previous version, we could reboot without any problem.hH Sometimes a reboot of the bootserver is nesseray like dismounted/mountedF failure, installed patches. Also should a after crash reboot function.G IMHO, yesterday I found the case for our problem. A new forming policy.oF After reboot I did see, that the bootserver sends a membership requestF to one of the satellites. Then it lost the path (Closed virtuel port).I The bootserver disconnects the network (transciever and speed LED go off) E and nothing happens any more. In the previous version of OpenVMS, the E bootserver did not send any membership request and all the satellitesiG did send there membership request to the bootserver. IMHO, that was theiF right way, because it eliminates some problems, when the booting nodesK lost the path to this member (the node hangs). Now, every member, includinguL the bootserver, sends a membership request to the node with the highest nameF (alphabetical order). In case of this, the bootserver can't reboot (itH hangs), or the whole cluster reboots. May be, the new policy is also theF reason for the hang of a lot of clustermembers (8 of 30) after a wholeG cluster "clueexit" crash. Is there any patch out, which do reenable the H old behavior (that I can reboot the bootserver without any effect to theD satellites)? I think the new behavior is a blame for OpenVMS and un-  acceptable in a production area.   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:11:39 -0500 6 From: "USERNET NEWSGROUP" <MARK.MAZURETS@VISTACOM.COM> Subject: Printing blank page% Message-ID: <%STP5.15$5i6.391@client>    On> DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 1 on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MBX running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2  , I have a problem with a client, in printing.L They print out invoices thru an interactive program in which each invoice isG its own print job. Every invoice is preceded by a blank page, using and H therefore wasting preprinted invoice stationery. I have read FAQ's, fromL Ask the Wizard on the OpenVms.digital website, about this problem, howeverI none of the solutions worked. I understand that TCP/IP services ver4.2 is F the latest. What is the significance of ECO 1? Is this the latest ECO?K I have made sure that the form and queue settings are correct, so as to noteL invite a page overflow problem (which would cause a blank page to follow the invoice, anyway).a Here are the settings:= Printer queue HKINV3, idle, on ACTIVE::"205.198.253.84:9100",-# mounted form HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)1> /AUTOSTART_ON=(ACTIVE::"205.198.253.84:9100") /BASE_PRIORITY=4B /DEFAULT=(FORM=HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)) /LIBRARY=HPDEVCTL Lowercase4 /OWNER=[1,4] /PROCESSOR=UCX$TELNETSYM /NO_INITIAL_FF0 /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)  	 Form name D                                        Number   ------   -----------+ HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)                  101p@ /LENGTH=50 /SETUP=(HKINVBOT) /STOCK=DEFAULT /TRUNCATE /WIDTH=132  G I have tried defining a new logical: ucx$telnetsym_suppress_formfeeds 1t> I have tried inserting <esc>]vms;2<esc>\ into the reset moduleL I have tried bracketing the existing PCL in the setup module with <esc>P and <esc>\ This is the setup:L <esc>P<esc>E<esc>&l2A<esc>&l5H<esc>&l1O<esc>&l51P<esc>&l1E<esc>&l60U<esc>&l5/ 0F<esc>&l7.72C<esc>(8U<esc>(s0P<esc>(s12H<esc>\   G Note: I have since taken out reference to the reset module. I have alsoDG included /default=nofeed and /no_initial_ff in the queue settings. ThisuK resulted in blank pages being preceded by an invoice, but the printer pulls 8 from the plain paper tray, rather than using stationery.L I have also noted, that, with the current settings, if I print out a file, 3H times in quick succession, then only the first job is preceded by  blank page.hK The printer itself does not appear to have any settings associated with theeL blank pages, and the same thing happens on another printer as well. Both are	 HP5000's.ND The spool files themselves do not have any formfeed or other control characters to throw a new page.o' I appreciate any input on this problem.x Thanks.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:18:02 +0000s- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>o  Subject: Re: Printing blank page) Message-ID: <3A10224A.C533214F@bbc.co.uk>    USERNET NEWSGROUP wrote:   > On@ > DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 1! > on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB- > running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2 > . > I have a problem with a client, in printing.N > They print out invoices thru an interactive program in which each invoice isI > its own print job. Every invoice is preceded by a blank page, using andsJ > therefore wasting preprinted invoice stationery. I have read FAQ's, fromN > Ask the Wizard on the OpenVms.digital website, about this problem, howeverK > none of the solutions worked. I understand that TCP/IP services ver4.2 is-H > the latest. What is the significance of ECO 1? Is this the latest ECO?M > I have made sure that the form and queue settings are correct, so as to not.N > invite a page overflow problem (which would cause a blank page to follow the > invoice, anyway).#  $ Ah, what joy. I have been there too.  O btw TCP/IP Services 5.0A plus ECO is the latest version, it is no longer calledaK UCX. However, I get the same behaviour regarding blank pages on HP printersm as wtih UCX 4.x.     >  > Here are the settings:? > Printer queue HKINV3, idle, on ACTIVE::"205.198.253.84:9100",o% > mounted form HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)K@ > /AUTOSTART_ON=(ACTIVE::"205.198.253.84:9100") /BASE_PRIORITY=4D > /DEFAULT=(FORM=HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)) /LIBRARY=HPDEVCTL Lowercase6 > /OWNER=[1,4] /PROCESSOR=UCX$TELNETSYM /NO_INITIAL_FF2 > /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE) >- > Form name-F >                                        Number   ------   ------------ > HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)                  101HB > /LENGTH=50 /SETUP=(HKINVBOT) /STOCK=DEFAULT /TRUNCATE /WIDTH=132 >YI > I have tried defining a new logical: ucx$telnetsym_suppress_formfeeds 1 @ > I have tried inserting <esc>]vms;2<esc>\ into the reset module  P As far as I can tell, this is a hack in the VMS terminal driver, as I could find
 absolutely3 no reference to it in any HP printer documentation.t   > N > I have tried bracketing the existing PCL in the setup module with <esc>P and > <esc>\ > This is the setup:N > <esc>P<esc>E<esc>&l2A<esc>&l5H<esc>&l1O<esc>&l51P<esc>&l1E<esc>&l60U<esc>&l51 > 0F<esc>&l7.72C<esc>(8U<esc>(s0P<esc>(s12H<esc>\c >RI > Note: I have since taken out reference to the reset module. I have also3I > included /default=nofeed and /no_initial_ff in the queue settings. ThismM > resulted in blank pages being preceded by an invoice, but the printer pullsw: > from the plain paper tray, rather than using stationery.N > I have also noted, that, with the current settings, if I print out a file, 3J > times in quick succession, then only the first job is preceded by  blank > page.iM > The printer itself does not appear to have any settings associated with the N > blank pages, and the same thing happens on another printer as well. Both are > HP5000's.oF > The spool files themselves do not have any formfeed or other control! > characters to throw a new page.e) > I appreciate any input on this problem.s	 > Thanks.    FWIW, my HP_RESET.TXT is   <ESC>P<FF><ESC>E<ESC>\  I I have got down to zero blank pages from VMS, and one blank page from theHC main application when printing in landscape mode only. This is with3. TCPIP/UCX_TELNETSYM_SUPRESS_FORMFEEDS enabled.  G Of course, there were the users with ancient printers who ended up withfO jobs on the same page rather than separate pages, but I worked around that too.   H The best reference source I found was a 10 year old PCL reference manualK knocking around the office. The actual printer manuals were useful but doidc1 not have all the info I needed for some problems.t --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 13:10:00 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)  Subject: Re: Printing blank page+ Message-ID: <jzuIf55SiDHC@eisner.decus.org>   ! Reaching back in my memory a bit:   > For some models of HP printers, sending the escape sequence to< change the page orientation can result in a blank page being printed.  @ The <esc>E reset to power up state can also cause this behavior.  A This is apparently caused by the printer believing that something > is already on the page and needs to be printed before actually executing the sequence.*  @ I remember seeing this documented somewhere, but do not have the reference handy.         G I have seen posted, but have not tried that sending an initial formfeediB character at the beginning of escape sequence for the reset module3 will actually inhibit the blank page being printed.   D If the printer is PostScript capable and you have either a DCPS-OPENF or one of the NET_APP_* (possibly others) license, using DCPS could be
 an option.  ) In article <3A10224A.C533214F@bbc.co.uk>,n: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.unitedkingdom> writes:  r > USERNET NEWSGROUP wrote: >  >> OncA >> DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 1H" >> on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MB >> running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2c >>/ >> I have a problem with a client, in printing.p? >> They print out invoices thru an interactive program in which ? >> each invoice is its own print job. Every invoice is preceded,: >> by a blank page, using and therefore wasting preprinted >> invoice stationery. <snip> n >> >> Here are the settings:a@ >> Printer queue HKINV3, idle, on ACTIVE::"205.198.253.84:9100",& >> mounted form HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)A >> /AUTOSTART_ON=(ACTIVE::"205.198.253.84:9100") /BASE_PRIORITY=4 E >> /DEFAULT=(FORM=HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)) /LIBRARY=HPDEVCTL Lowercaseo7 >> /OWNER=[1,4] /PROCESSOR=UCX$TELNETSYM /NO_INITIAL_FFe3 >> /PROTECTION=(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /SCHEDULE=(NOSIZE)- >> >> Form nameG >>                                        Number   ------   ----------- . >> HKINV3 (stock=DEFAULT)                  101C >> /LENGTH=50 /SETUP=(HKINVBOT) /STOCK=DEFAULT /TRUNCATE /WIDTH=132n >>' >> I have tried defining a new logical:e( >>    ucx$telnetsym_suppress_formfeeds 1A >> I have tried inserting <esc>]vms;2<esc>\ into the reset module  > B > As far as I can tell, this is a hack in the VMS terminal driver, > as I can find  >>O >> I have tried bracketing the existing PCL in the setup module with <esc>P and 	 >> <esc>\  >> This is the setup:nO >> <esc>P<esc>E<esc>&l2A<esc>&l5H<esc>&l1O<esc>&l51P<esc>&l1E<esc>&l60U<esc>&l5a2 >> 0F<esc>&l7.72C<esc>(8U<esc>(s0P<esc>(s12H<esc>\ >>J >> Note: I have since taken out reference to the reset module. I have alsoJ >> included /default=nofeed and /no_initial_ff in the queue settings. ThisN >> resulted in blank pages being preceded by an invoice, but the printer pulls; >> from the plain paper tray, rather than using stationery.i >  > FWIW, my HP_RESET.TXT is >  > <ESC>P<FF><ESC>E<ESC>\  8 The <ESC>E sequence restores the printer to the settings# specified for the power up default.e  = The <ESC>E sequence will not work reliably if you are sharingh; the printer with a Windows print driver.  The Windows printo8 driver sends at the beginning of the print job an escape> sequence to change the margins, page size, and duplex settings( for the power up default on the printer.  < To compensate for that you must change the specific settings$ to be as your VMS print jobs expect.   -JohnN wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:15:51 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> ; Subject: Re: Research Systems Inc. dropping support for VMS H Message-ID: <y4k8a8qiso.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  , "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes:  L > Of course, this is computing. It would be confusing if an abbreviation had > only one meaning. DNA anyone?a  E Why - is there any other meaning than "Digital Network Architecture"?    	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:15:49 GMT  From: spolato@my-deja.com ; Subject: Re: Research Systems Inc. dropping support for VMS.) Message-ID: <8uoih2$iqp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  3 In article <3A016BF8.56B821D8@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>, 4   Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> wrote:> > Just received my IDL 5.4 cover letter that says that versionA > 5.4 is the last version to support OpenVMS.  That's certainly aAA > kick in the pants to scientific computing on VMS.  RSI was justc: > bought by Kodak, maybe that had something to do with it. >r > -- > Vance Haemmerle  > vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US  >e  E We have a complex scientific computing environment based on VMS - and " IDL is a strategic product for us.F That RSI cover letter announce make us considering to migrate to an OS/ where IDL will be still supported (unix/linux).g  > It is a sad way to say "goodby VMS" after more then 15 years !  D I'd like to know whether Compaq has intention to accept the droppingD support of IDL on VMS as a fate or intend to find an accord (money!)( for the future development of IDL on VMS  
 Sandro Polato  Consorzio RFX - Italy  http://www.igi.pd.cnr.it  http://itre.com/mf/overview.html    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:36:33 GMTI/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>o; Subject: Re: Research Systems Inc. dropping support for VMSh) Message-ID: <3A0FA810.3B8EC8EB@uiowa.edu>,   spolato@my-deja.com wrote: > 5 > In article <3A016BF8.56B821D8@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>,*6 >   Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> wrote:@ > > Just received my IDL 5.4 cover letter that says that versionC > > 5.4 is the last version to support OpenVMS.  That's certainly a*C > > kick in the pants to scientific computing on VMS.  RSI was just1< > > bought by Kodak, maybe that had something to do with it. > >: > > -- > > Vance Haemmerlen > > vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US- > >2 > G > We have a complex scientific computing environment based on VMS - andd$ > IDL is a strategic product for us.H > That RSI cover letter announce make us considering to migrate to an OS1 > where IDL will be still supported (unix/linux).t > @ > It is a sad way to say "goodby VMS" after more then 15 years ! > F > I'd like to know whether Compaq has intention to accept the droppingF > support of IDL on VMS as a fate or intend to find an accord (money!)* > for the future development of IDL on VMS  F We use it too, but I would never consider dropping the OS just because of the loss of an application!  F Why don't you contact RSI/Kodak and complain about the loss of OpenVMS support instead!   Rick -- wH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:44:37 +0000- From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.Net>0: Subject: Resurrecting an Alphastation 200/250: help needed) Message-ID: <3A0FFE55.E3423B24@Omond.Net>p   Gentle people,  E I have recently been donated a "dead" Alphastation 200 (it might be ad 250)F which was "killed" when someone interrupted a firmware update.  I have$ no graphics monitor for this system.  C I have generated a failsafe loader floppy with the latest firmware.o  E I have (tried) to reset the NVRAM by disconnecting the button batteryiD in the hope that the machine would set the console to serial (rather than graphics).   @ When powering on, I get the beep code (3 beeps, pause, 3 beeps),: and the LEDs indicate 1111 1101 (hex FD), and then nothing$ (doesn't seem to access the floppy).  > I am no longer on contract with Compaq, so I have no access to) internal stuff (like prosic.cxo.dec.com).h  . Anyone able to suggest what I should do next ?   Thanks in advance,  	 Roy Omondi Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:58:45 +0100eC From: "Martin Francois" <Francisco.MartinLeon@Cockerill-sambre.com>t Subject: RWASTE Message-ID: <519A71327421D2118C2000805F65E04D0C6A6A32@DUN-INT-NEWS01>p    I have a process in RWAST state. How can I stop it ?????t   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:56:39 GMTn From: byatesiii@my-deja.comV Subject: Re: RWAST( Message-ID: <8up2vj$39$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  E In article <519A71327421D2118C2000805F65E04D0C6A6A32@DUN-INT-NEWS01>,IF   "Martin Francois" <Francisco.MartinLeon@Cockerill-sambre.com> wrote:" > I have a process in RWAST state. > How can I stop it ?????s >N > G We need more information. What kind of process? Is it waiting I/O (on ah8 tape drive?) What VMS version, what system (Alpha/Vax?). Reboot will always clear it up.eE We also use a Macro called DELPEN on the Alpha's, my account rep withi@ Compaq stated it is probably available on a shareware cd, but it doesn't work on Vaxen...C You could try to satisfy the request, it is awaiting a resource. We 5 usually get this with tape drives, and try physicallye? mounting,unmounting tapes to attempt to satisy any pending I/O.r    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 09:24:44 -0800( From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com> Subject: Re: RWAST- Message-ID: <86pujzlr8j.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>   E "Martin Francois" <Francisco.MartinLeon@Cockerill-sambre.com> writes:e  " > I have a process in RWAST state. > How can I stop it ?????/  * 	Why, with a RWAST stopping gun of course!   	You can also:   	. Reboot the system  @ 	. Hack something to deliver the AST the process is waiting for,+ 	  then use a regular process stopping gun.c   -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:35:53 +0100I. From: Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl>3 Subject: Re: scsi quantum fireball1280 disk problem 0 Message-ID: <20001113103553.A11259@lodz.tpsa.pl>  @ On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 at  0:42:18 -0500, Richard B. Gilbert wrote:G >         Quantum Fireball disks are known to have problems with TaggedtI > Command Queuing.  They do not implement it correctly and will corrupt alI > disk.  I don't know if ALL Quantum Fireballs exhibit this problem but Ig) > would not use one on any of my systems." > A I could not agree more. Been there. FireBall (3,5GB) seemed to beT; o.k. until I have tried to backup its contents to the tape.T2 It was not good for VMS but is working fine in PC.   Marcin Szczecinski marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:59:07 +0100n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>-7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed ) Message-ID: <3A0FE59B.ADE17F3F@gtech.com>    andrew harrison wrote:( > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:N > > Rob, really!  Andrew's contribution here is to tout Sun and FUD Compaq andM > > VMS technologies.  You continue to invite him.  I know that you and Kerry L > > and several others are trying to dispell his FUD and show what a FUDsterL > > he is himself but the truth is that I believe we all know what a FUDster+ > > he is.  Can we try to stop baiting him?f > >e > F > How ironic, you see it was Rob's origional FUDDING of Sun over eBaysE > outage that really drew me into this group. What I found was reallyd
 > interesting D > a whole group of people where someone could publish either totally > unfounded G > and as it turned out totally untrue allegations about another vendors3E > systems and no one would even question the veracity of the posting.a > > > A group where incorrect technical comparisons of one vendors > capabiliitesI > vs generally OpenVMS would elicit nothing more than supporting commentso$ > from a choir of backing vocalists.  H I do not exactly recall any factual errors in Robs psotings. I recall at leasto/ two major factual errors in your postings here.s   So who is FUD'ing ?-   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:36:29 +0000e0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed * Message-ID: <3A0FFC6D.3DE5CA24@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > _ > In article <3A0C0865.497FBF17@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:a* > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > >>] > >> In article <vXePVDXmGW4S@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:e > >> >{...snip...}) > >> >       Come spin with us Andrew!!!!  > >> >( > >> >                               Rob > >> > > >>O > >> Rob, really!  Andrew's contribution here is to tout Sun and FUD Compaq and N > >> VMS technologies.  You continue to invite him.  I know that you and KerryM > >> and several others are trying to dispell his FUD and show what a FUDstermM > >> he is himself but the truth is that I believe we all know what a FUDstera, > >> he is.  Can we try to stop baiting him? > >> > >  >  > >eH > > Just occasionally someone pops out of the woodwork and says no thats. > > B****H**T but only very very occasionally. > >s > > No wonder I stayed.H > >rI > > You have mostly Rob to blame for this so you are posting to the rightC > > person.  > >eE > > Incedentally despite labeling me as a FUDSTER and a spin merchant.A > > the fact is that my objections to mainly Robs hype on Galaxy,TL > > Spiralog, ISV interest in OpenVMS, the performance of the WildFire boxes > > etc have been correct. > >L > F >         No ... I made a few mistakes.  I bought into Spiralog and itH >         is/was great technology.  I stand fast on the other things youO >         sling at me.  I am ahead of the curve on Wildfire and Son-of-WildfireLL >         but faster 21264 and 21364 are a long time coming (and yes, othersM >         aren't standing still but Compaq is doing VERY well in the high-endsG >         as they and IBM are suddently the platform of choice in HPC).  > H No Rob Spiralog wasn't great technology, it was a great white paper. Had it been I great technology it might have worked. It also illustrates perfectly the  @ problem you seem to have, all the things you refer to, Spiralog, WildFireA etc have been great white paper material its the translation intoH products thats been the problem.6  E You were probably ahead of the curve on WildFire for the same reason,e you G read too many white papers published about a product that didn't exist.d  F You and Jordan also appear to share the same rather cavalier attitiude towardsnF time lines, you I think pre-announced that WildFire was going to whip H everyones asses nearly 2 years before it actually shipped. Ahead of the % Curve or Totally Jumped the Gun ?????t  G And ahead of the curve assumes that you think that WildFire is going toc getbB fixed ? What changes are Compaq going to make to WildFire's memory
 subsystemsF to reduce local memory latency and reduce the ratio between local and  remote memory latency ?e  9 What predictions are you making for Son of WildFire ?????f  F >         But yes, you are a FUDSTER and a spin merchant as you rarelyF >         if ever address the contents of a post and typically lie lowE >         until the contents have shifted ever so slightly to warrantSQ >         a total change of subject.  You sure you didn't co-invent the Internet?l > H >         By the way, regarding the subject line, how about this anyhow: > 6 > http://public.wsj.com/sn/y/SB973636942369499535.html > J > At online auctioneer eBay Inc., a major Sun customer, the memory problemO > initially resulted in one to two big-system crashes every month, says Maynard O > Webb, president of eBay Technologies. The memory problem wasn't behind eBay's N > most serious outage, a 22-hour failure in 1999, but has caused other serviceN > outages, Mr. Webb says, although he adds that with Sun's fixes in place eBay/ > can now go "months" without seeing a problem.a  G How remarkable you actually included the punchline in one of your postst instead of cutting it out.    I "he adds that with Sun's fixes in place eBay can now go "months" without a seeing a problem." r   Remarkable and a first for you.P  N >         Do something and shock us.  Admit that you have attempted to totallyH >         mislead us for the past year on this issue.  Perhaps you thinkM >         it will simply go away or will not longer make headlines?  In lightnG >         of the above, how do those postings in December 1999 now make F >         you look?  No different.  "We" essentially knew all along itK >         wasn't a matter of datacenter temperature or environmentals.  ButeE >         you wouldn't give it up.  Now you are forced to give up theeF >         datacenter spin but it is all out there for us to see and toG >         trot out as we wish.  But you are oh so sure of yourself whensG >         you write some things and the DANGER is kids that are lurkingpJ >         wouldn't have a clue that what you pen is often VERY misleading. > H >         Your reputation took a hit.  Reputation?  Well.... never mind. > C Despite your claim that I havn't answered your questions Rob I havet> in fact explained this to you a number of times and each time > you either cannot or will not understand what the issues are.     9 1.	There is a problem with commodity SRAM supplied by one 5 	vendor to Sun. This problem causes bits to flip wheni0 	they should not. These can be multi-bit errors.  B 2.	The bits don't just flip by themselves they require an external$ 	force, static, gamma radation etc.   ' 3.	The fixes for the above problem are.a  D A.	Reduce the incidence of flipping be reducing the incidence of theD 	external force that causes the bits to flip, e.g make sure that theD 	systems are not running in an environment where there is excessive 
 	heat/static.3   B.	Install the cache scrubber.  9 C.	Change the cache to ecache made by a different vendor.c    B For most customers actions A and B have resulted in either a major
 reduction ) in or the elimination of ecache failures.r  H Some customers cannot do much about A and so their best option is B and  C.  . All this information is in my previous posts.   E I don't know which of the three eBay applied but as they said and you C so kindly reproduced the course of action recommended by Sun fixed s their problem.  C You of course have tried to rubbish all the remedial actions which  9 is I assume why you claim I havn't answered the question.i  G The problem origionally surfaced with Sun's 400 Mhz 4 MB ecache modulestF and at the time the SRAM supplier claimed to have rectified the issue.  F Sun replaced 400 Mhz 4 MB cache modules with new 400 Mhz 8 MB modules @ only to discover that the problem that was supposed to have been	 rectified A was still there in the 8 MB modules. We are now using a differentu supplier	 of SRAM. n  C For some time Sun and our first SRAM supplier did not know why the sF SRAM was suceptible to having the bits flip, we have however known for some r: time what the external forces are that make the bits flip.  A You of course don't want to contemplate the fact that it was yourt FUDDING I Sun over eBay and as you appear to have admitted your ludicrous boosting cD of Compaq future products which got me involved in this group in the firstt place.  D Now I am here you still don't seem to have learnt your lesson as the Marvel/eH Son of WildFire posts show, at one point recently you actually published the ? expected Marvel memory latencies (from a white paper no doubt).t   Regards  Andrew Harrisons Enterprise IT Architectc   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:29:51 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailedc* Message-ID: <3A1008EF.9AECC16D@uk.sun.com>   suninthefun@my-deja.com wrote: > 	 > Andrew,n > H > Will you just admit that the real problem is Sun does not have system-B > wide ECC memory and that is why Sun customers are having so many7 > failures?  256MB of non-ECC L2 cache is unacceptable.  >   G ECC would help but we are getting single and Multi-bit errors and many -F people would not consider multi-bit ECC for the whole cache as being a reasonable proposition.   A Not everyone agrees on the necessity of having ECC for the whole -? of the cache either provide you can reload the offending block.D  @ Despite Robs FUD the fact is that people who have installed the @ cache scrubber and either changed to the current SRAM or changed? the server environment or both have seen very big reductions ineA failure rates. In a couple of customers I know of in the UK this I has resulted in 0 failures.,   Regards  Andrew Harrisond Enterprise IT Architecta   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:04:12 +0000t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailedn* Message-ID: <3A1010FC.7C9F8399@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > _ > In article <3A0C0865.497FBF17@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes: * > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > >>] > >> In article <vXePVDXmGW4S@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:h > >> >{...snip...}) > >> >       Come spin with us Andrew!!!! F >         No ... I made a few mistakes.  I bought into Spiralog and itH >         is/was great technology.  I stand fast on the other things youO >         sling at me.  I am ahead of the curve on Wildfire and Son-of-Wildfire L >         but faster 21264 and 21364 are a long time coming (and yes, othersM >         aren't standing still but Compaq is doing VERY well in the high-endoG >         as they and IBM are suddently the platform of choice in HPC).  >   @ Incedentally Rob where did you get the idea that Compaq was the > prefered HPC platform after IBM. You didn't get this from the  top500 list did you ?    The current top 500 list shows k  ? In terms of the total performance of the systems on the top500 o list:    1	IBMy 2	Cray 3	Sune 4	SGIo 5	HDSh	 6	Fujitsu  7	NEC  8	Intel  9	Compaq  5 In terms of number of systems in the top500 list its:o   1.	IBM 2.	Sun 3.	SGI 4.	Craye 5.	NEC
 6.	Fujitsu 7.	HDS 8	Compaq  ; So what were you basing your statement on, more predictionss
 on your part.    Regardsa Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectu   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:21:03 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailedf+ Message-ID: <c645HE9uyesQ@eisner.decus.org>c  ] In article <3A1010FC.7C9F8399@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:i > Rob Young wrote: >> b` >> In article <3A0C0865.497FBF17@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:+ >> > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:w >> >>r^ >> >> In article <vXePVDXmGW4S@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes: >> >> >{...snip...}y* >> >> >       Come spin with us Andrew!!!!G >>         No ... I made a few mistakes.  I bought into Spiralog and it I >>         is/was great technology.  I stand fast on the other things youDP >>         sling at me.  I am ahead of the curve on Wildfire and Son-of-WildfireM >>         but faster 21264 and 21364 are a long time coming (and yes, othersmN >>         aren't standing still but Compaq is doing VERY well in the high-endH >>         as they and IBM are suddently the platform of choice in HPC). >> e > B > Incedentally Rob where did you get the idea that Compaq was the @ > prefered HPC platform after IBM. You didn't get this from the  > top500 list did you ?  > ! > The current top 500 list shows f > A > In terms of the total performance of the systems on the top500 e > list:V >  > 1	IBMn > 2	Cray > 3	Suna > 4	SGIn > 5	HDS  > 6	Fujitsui > 7	NECs	 > 8	Intelo
 > 9	Compaq > 7 > In terms of number of systems in the top500 list its:p >  > 1.	IBM > 2.	Sun > 3.	SGI	 > 4.	Crays > 5.	NEC > 6.	Fujitsu > 7.	HDS
 > 8	Compaq > = > So what were you basing your statement on, more predictionst > on your part.I >   = 	Sales in the last two quarters.  I'm interested in "top dog"o< 	not has beens.  Cray is a has been.  SGI is quickly heading+ 	in that direction (company is very shaky).-   				Rob-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:40:06 +0000s0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed4* Message-ID: <3A102776.DDB0644E@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > _ > In article <3A1010FC.7C9F8399@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:r > > Rob Young wrote: > >>b > >> In article <3A0C0865.497FBF17@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:- > >> > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:r > >> >>F` > >> >> In article <vXePVDXmGW4S@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes: > >> >> >{...snip...} , > >> >> >       Come spin with us Andrew!!!!I > >>         No ... I made a few mistakes.  I bought into Spiralog and ithK > >>         is/was great technology.  I stand fast on the other things you R > >>         sling at me.  I am ahead of the curve on Wildfire and Son-of-WildfireO > >>         but faster 21264 and 21364 are a long time coming (and yes, otherstP > >>         aren't standing still but Compaq is doing VERY well in the high-endJ > >>         as they and IBM are suddently the platform of choice in HPC). > >> > >DC > > Incedentally Rob where did you get the idea that Compaq was the-A > > prefered HPC platform after IBM. You didn't get this from thes > > top500 list did you ?c > >:" > > The current top 500 list shows > >rB > > In terms of the total performance of the systems on the top500	 > > list:r > >e
 > > 1     IBMp > > 2     Cray
 > > 3     Suna
 > > 4     SGI?
 > > 5     HDSh > > 6     Fujitsuu
 > > 7     NEC  > > 8     Intel  > > 9     Compaq > > 9 > > In terms of number of systems in the top500 list its:  > > 
 > > 1.    IBMe
 > > 2.    Sunt
 > > 3.    SGI  > > 4.    Cray
 > > 5.    NEC- > > 6.    Fujitsu,
 > > 7.    HDS: > > 8     Compaq > >c? > > So what were you basing your statement on, more predictionsi > > on your part.b > >  > F >         Sales in the last two quarters.  I'm interested in "top dog"E >         not has beens.  Cray is a has been.  SGI is quickly headings4 >         in that direction (company is very shaky). >   ? Rob again you let your desire to boost Compaq overcome any needk to be factually correct.  B Compaq have a contract to supply  a very large system for the ASCI< program this system is being installed over a 2 year period.  @ Compaq have started delivering the first parts of the system butA since it requires a 1.25 Ghz CPU which is not yet available they n# arn't delivering the final systems d  B I doubt that Compaq have received any revenue for this system and " won't do until sometime next year.  F In the mean time Compaq are nearly last on the top500 list, HP are the only vendor lower. t  @ Lets wait a year shall we and see what the list looks like then,A incedentally waiting a year and then re-evaluationg the situation!8 turns out to be good advice for all your pronouncements.     Regards  Andrew Harrisonu Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:50:58 +0000s0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed * Message-ID: <3A102A02.259D4FAD@uk.sun.com>   Arne Vajh=F8j wrote: > =    > andrew harrison wrote:* > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:J > > > Rob, really!  Andrew's contribution here is to tout Sun and FUD Com= paq and J > > > VMS technologies.  You continue to invite him.  I know that you and=  KerryJ > > > and several others are trying to dispell his FUD and show what a FU= DsterdJ > > > he is himself but the truth is that I believe we all know what a FU= Dstera- > > > he is.  Can we try to stop baiting him?  > > >r > >OH > > How ironic, you see it was Rob's origional FUDDING of Sun over eBaysG > > outage that really drew me into this group. What I found was reallyo > > interestingcF > > a whole group of people where someone could publish either totally
 > > unfounded-J > > and as it turned out totally untrue allegations about another vendors=  G > > systems and no one would even question the veracity of the posting.v > > @ > > A group where incorrect technical comparisons of one vendors > > capabiliitesJ > > vs generally OpenVMS would elicit nothing more than supporting commen= ts& > > from a choir of backing vocalists. > =i  J > I do not exactly recall any factual errors in Robs psotings. I recall a= tc > leasty1 > two major factual errors in your postings here.> > =n    : Your recollection is not as good as Robs who does remember the factual errors.   	 Spiralog,b	 Galaxies, I Sybase and other ISV's being interested in OpenVMS (because of Galaxies =m   according to Rob)cH WildFire availability and capabilities and general hype. (where is the =  F 128 CPU machine, where is its performance lead, why are Sun/IBM/HP's =  0 asses not being whipped, another Rob prediction)" 21264 availability and performanceC eBays 22 hour outage FUD (cut and paste difficulties apparently ando8 not a factual error, so his GUI made the error for him).= Numerous errors on the Sun eCache issue (cache scrubber etc),   ? The list is pretty endless and remember some of these are big =i  ? subjects for example WildFire where Rob got nearly everything =t  @ about the machines from the number of CPU's to the availability,2 performance, competitiveness etc completely wrong.   Regards  Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architecto   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 18:20:15 GMT + From: Jordan Henderson <jordan@my-deja.com>n7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed ) Message-ID: <8upbcm$80k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   * In article <3A1008EF.9AECC16D@uk.sun.com>,3   andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:4  > suninthefun@my-deja.com wrote: > >y > > Andrew,  > > B > > Will you just admit that the real problem is Sun does not have system- D > > wide ECC memory and that is why Sun customers are having so many9 > > failures?  256MB of non-ECC L2 cache is unacceptable.h > >a >.C > ECC would help but we are getting single and Multi-bit errors andr manyH > people would not consider multi-bit ECC for the whole cache as being a > reasonable proposition.b > B > Not everyone agrees on the necessity of having ECC for the wholeA > of the cache either provide you can reload the offending block.d >eA > Despite Robs FUD the fact is that people who have installed theaB > cache scrubber and either changed to the current SRAM or changedA > the server environment or both have seen very big reductions in B > failure rates. In a couple of customers I know of in the UK this > has resulted in 0 failures.t >l  D Good point, Andrew.  Why, a major online auction site attests to a 4D fold improvement in uptime when various Sun recommended measures are
 put in place.h  D If one of these crashes costs you 20 minutes downtime every 60 days,A as this major online acution reports, then you can expect 99.977% @ uptime as an upper bound.  Hey!  That's a big improvement over 1; crash every 2 weeks, as this major online auction site onceR* experienced, which would be 99.08% uptime.  D I imagine we'll start seeing ads now how Sun Enterprise Servers have8 the most improved uptime statistics in the industry. :-)  	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison  > Enterprise IT Architect' >o   -- -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.p   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 13:48:11 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detaileds+ Message-ID: <BruOX1TkYS3s@eisner.decus.org>b  ] In article <3A102A02.259D4FAD@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:,  A > The list is pretty endless and remember some of these are big =M > A > subjects for example WildFire where Rob got nearly everything =a > B > about the machines from the number of CPU's to the availability,4 > performance, competitiveness etc completely wrong. >   : 	No... just ahead of the curve - again.  Hence not a wholeB 	lot of "predictions" from me lately as to when what part will be ? 	available.  I'll believe faster 21264 parts when I see them.  .& 	Nine times bitten, nine times as shy.  < 	But one thing you might want to consider regarding Wildfire; 	scalability and that is it supports up to 64 PCI buses andnD 	228 PCI ports.  The core box itself ships with great expandability.   				RobD   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:21:30 -0500y2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugheruL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1311001121300001@user-2ive6fo.dialup.mindspring.com>  { In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052849BD@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:     e > and NO@ > user impact. Just re-read previous postings on how to do this.   Sigh.  It was ME, not Andrew, who started out objecting to your over-statement.  I ignored it for months, but it finally got under my skin.l   You are defining "user impact" too narrowly.  Some users of VMS will be impacted, some will not.  All the other log out/don't log out change your password/lock your screen stuff is beside the point.  UAny work model that requires very long, uninterrupted "sessions" cannot survive the shutdown of the VMS node where the sessions are running.  You prefer to think in terms of "sessions" that are very short, and situations where new sessions can be routed to a different node on the fly.  Fine.  None of your arguements apply to long sessions.R  It would be more comfortable if you would stop claiming more for VMS than is real.  While there are valid reasons to avoid a "very long session" model of computing in many cases, Compaq should not think that all their customers fit into this week's slick marketing campaign.  You can't convince me that VMS does something that my own experience tells me it does not.  The danger is if you, and everyone else at Compaq, start to convince yourselves.   Listen to your customers.  Even if they don't agree with you.  Even if you can't immediately remedy their concerns.  Don't tell them they don't know their own needs.d  E Note.  Nothing in this post should be considered a defense of Andrew.o   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:36:47 -0500o- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> ' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher0/ Message-ID: <t1065cbhvgslc5@corp.supernews.com>R  = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in message4$ news:3A0C1A11.E33D0A20@uk.sun.com... >...B > Its not the users directly that cause the problem, but the users > worldwideeD > update the master Seibel database, all the databases worldwide are keptA > syncronised using a replication mechnism provided by the Seibell > application. >yB > So a seibel user in Tokyo updating a database is also updating a
 > databaseD > in London, Frankfurt etc while the users that access these systems aref > all logged out and asleep. > A > Turning off a node  even if it has no users attached to it alsoa stopsv > thet= > replication from running. While this isn't an unrecoverableo situation it > is? > downtime for the replication server and can cause quite a bige impact.e > ..  C Andrew, you should have used a VMS cluster. Then you could turn offtA the node and kept the replication running on the other node. In anD properly configured cluster with a decent database like RDB you tell> RDB on one node to shut itself down after the last transaction; conpletes and not to accept any new transactions. Once thatdD transaction completes you do wahtever work you need to do and reboot	 the node.    --B "How many Americans do we have in the audience tonight?... oh, Im( sorry, I forgot you people cant count. Mike Bullard 9-OCT-2000    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:43:57 +0000r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>-' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher ) Message-ID: <3A10285D.F0347C82@bbc.co.uk>l   Robert Deininger wrote:e  } > In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052849BD@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote:s >y > 
 > > and NOB > > user impact. Just re-read previous postings on how to do this. >g > Sigh.  It was ME, not Andrew, who started out objecting to your over-statement.  I ignored it for months, but it finally got under my skin.   _ Robert, I think you will find I took this issue up with Kerry a while back, being somerone elset_ who doesn't like to logout between reboots (or PC crashes, which is sadly the case for me now).e  ` Kerry's proposed techniques will not work for all environments, but for production shops running` day-to-day buisiness applications I can see it might well be a  good and workable solution IMHO.  Q If you have to ask the one of the sysmgt or apps team to logoff you can give themcV plenty of warning. If they are developing on your production cluster then you probably5 have more to worry about than scheduling maintenance.I  T Possibly Kerry should be more careful to point out that while one can build a configT with the characteristics he boasts of, this is not default out-of-the box behaviour.  P If you work requires you never logoff then maybe Irish Railways might have a job for you :-)a     Regardse   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:57:24 +0100y= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>H1 Subject: Re: Sun UE10000 is *NOT* an HPC platform ) Message-ID: <3A0FE534.671658CD@gtech.com>    andrew harrison wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote: > > andrew harrison wrote:B > > > I don't think that is the point, the real question is shouldA > > > Kerry be taking some sort of holier than thou attitude withtA > > > other vendors when Compaq and Digital before them have such.: > > > a poor track record or should he refrain from making > > > pronouncements.c > > > I > > > Compaq/Digital may have "ponied up to the bar" over the RA-XX disks-> > > > they didn't over the VAX9000 the MIPS fiasco, the Armada6 > > > laptops the broken NT on Alpha promises etc etc. > >vD > > MIPS and NT/Alpha are business marketing decisions not technical
 > > problems.c > 9 > Ohhhh no they were not. The business/marketing decisons<6 > killed off the MIPS product range but a system going; > slower when you add more CPU's is not caused by marketingr > its a technical issue.  > AFAIK then multi-processor problems with the MIPS systems were< never a big issue. I had not even heard about it, before you; brougth it up (and there were quite a few Ultrix RISC users> in Denmark).  F But OK - we can move it from "irrelevant because it was not technical". to "irrelevant because it is ancient history".  D > > So basicly you are comparing SUN's UE10000 problems with Compaqs > > Armada laptop problems !!!!o > A > No you missed the point, Kerry is trying to assume some sort ofr9 > holier than thou persona which Digital and Compaqs pastt& > actions give him no right to assume.  E If you consider uptime for SUN's UE10000 and uptime for Compaq Armada 5 laptops to be similar problems, then you are correct.d  : On REAL enterprise systems such comparisons are laughable.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 10:27:32 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)  Subject: System disk filling upe0 Message-ID: <8uofmk$ehp$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hi,	  G under OpenVMS 7.1-2 I noticed today that the system disk is filling up. H I have diskquota enabled and today the ERRFMT process crashed because it/ had no disk quota. The actual quota setting is:j'    UIC [SYSTEM] has 2965732 blocks used 3    of 2700000 authorized, 5000 permitted overdraft. K SYSTEM has BYPASS privilege. Page- and swapfile are on a separate disk, thetJ same is true for SYSUAF.DAT and similar files. In addition OPERATOR.LOG is' purged daily, the same for ERRLOG.SYS . L I looked for files larger than 5000 blocks but found nothing explaining whatK is happening here. Next, I looked for files created since November 1, againr> nothing uncommon. An "ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR" didn't help either.L Thus, what else can I try to find out what is filling up SYSTEM's diskquota?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannn  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:24:33 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) # Subject: Re: System disk filling upn0 Message-ID: <8uoj1h$fsf$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  N In article <8uofmk$ehp$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:H >under OpenVMS 7.1-2 I noticed today that the system disk is filling up.I >I have diskquota enabled and today the ERRFMT process crashed because ity0 >had no disk quota. The actual quota setting is:( >   UIC [SYSTEM] has 2965732 blocks used4 >   of 2700000 authorized, 5000 permitted overdraft.L >SYSTEM has BYPASS privilege. Page- and swapfile are on a separate disk, theK >same is true for SYSUAF.DAT and similar files. In addition OPERATOR.LOG is ( >purged daily, the same for ERRLOG.SYS .M >I looked for files larger than 5000 blocks but found nothing explaining what L >is happening here. Next, I looked for files created since November 1, again? >nothing uncommon. An "ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR" didn't help either.rM >Thus, what else can I try to find out what is filling up SYSTEM's diskquota?   J I solved it: I didn't think about an open file and therefore missed a huge5 file created by some DCL procedure. Unfortunately theeJ DIR/SELECT=(SIZE=(MINIMUM... doesn't offer the possibility to look for the allocated size.l   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannt  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 08:08:16 -0500m, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com># Subject: Re: System disk filling upa> Message-ID: <hshubs-799F76.08081613112000@news.mindspring.com>  J In article <8uofmk$ehp$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de  wrote:   >SYSTEM has BYPASS privilege.o  : Yes, so?  Does it have EXQUOTA?  That's the relevant priv. -- o Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:34:46 GMTj/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>e# Subject: Re: System disk filling up.H Message-ID: <W5SP5.29350$xJ4.1572602@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  L Add the qualifier  /SIZE=ALL to your DIR command  and your /SELECT qualifierK will give you both allocated size and used size.  The "minimum" will now beiL keyed off the ALLocated size.  (Or you can say size = ALLOCATED and only see allocated sizes).h  @ "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message* news:8uoj1h$fsf$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de...I > In article <8uofmk$ehp$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, I (Christoph Gartmann)o wrote:J > >under OpenVMS 7.1-2 I noticed today that the system disk is filling up.K > >I have diskquota enabled and today the ERRFMT process crashed because it 2 > >had no disk quota. The actual quota setting is:* > >   UIC [SYSTEM] has 2965732 blocks used6 > >   of 2700000 authorized, 5000 permitted overdraft.J > >SYSTEM has BYPASS privilege. Page- and swapfile are on a separate disk, thegJ > >same is true for SYSUAF.DAT and similar files. In addition OPERATOR.LOG is* > >purged daily, the same for ERRLOG.SYS .J > >I looked for files larger than 5000 blocks but found nothing explaining whatH > >is happening here. Next, I looked for files created since November 1, againrA > >nothing uncommon. An "ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR" didn't help either. D > >Thus, what else can I try to find out what is filling up SYSTEM's
 diskquota? >tL > I solved it: I didn't think about an open file and therefore missed a huge7 > file created by some DCL procedure. Unfortunately thecL > DIR/SELECT=(SIZE=(MINIMUM... doesn't offer the possibility to look for the > allocated size.e >i
 > Regards, >    Christoph GartmannB >PJ > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:35:03 +0200l% From: Gabriel Sterk <gabi@aipm.co.il> # Subject: RE: System disk filling up-2 Message-ID: <000201c04d76$87df1e40$2c46bf10@manai>  J DIR/SEL=(SIZE=MIN... does offer the possibility to look for allocated size if /SIZE=ALL is also used.   Regards,  
 Gabriel Sterk0   -----Original Message-----: From: Christoph Gartmann [mailto:gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de]' Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 1:25 PMe  H >under OpenVMS 7.1-2 I noticed today that the system disk is filling up.  J I solved it: I didn't think about an open file and therefore missed a huge5 file created by some DCL procedure. Unfortunately thesJ DIR/SELECT=(SIZE=(MINIMUM... doesn't offer the possibility to look for the allocated size.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmanna   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:35:56 GMTg% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>o# Subject: Re: System disk filling up ) Message-ID: <8uoqns$ot7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  > In article <hshubs-799F76.08081613112000@news.mindspring.com>,/   Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote: 2 > In article <8uofmk$ehp$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de > wrote: >r > >SYSTEM has BYPASS privilege.  >u< > Yes, so?  Does it have EXQUOTA?  That's the relevant priv.  : It does not matter what privileges the SYSTEM account has.  : On my OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 system the _ERRFMT process_ has# BYPASS, CMKRNL and WORLD privilege.i  A I beleive I have been told or even read somewhere that diskquotasr% are not supported on the system disk.r   > -- > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   Famous last words, #7214:m! "Backups? We have a RAID system."k ;-)    --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy..   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:47:53 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>r# Subject: Re: System disk filling upoF Message-ID: <taTP5.9618$%%1.622072@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  J If you are running TCP/IP, you may also want to check for TCP (or UCX) logB files.  They tend to reproduce quite prolifically.   ($DIR/SIZ=ALL2 SYS$SYSDEVICE:[*...]*TCP*.LOG    (OR ...*UCX*.LOG)  L You could also be having a problem with other log files getting out of hand. Try something likeJ $dir/siz SYS$SYSDEVICE:[*...]*.*;-10  (OR ;-20 or more) to see if you haveF anything creating many versions of files.  A purge command may come in handy.  @ "Christoph Gartmann" <gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de> wrote in message* news:8uofmk$ehp$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de... > Hi,r > I > under OpenVMS 7.1-2 I noticed today that the system disk is filling up.rJ > I have diskquota enabled and today the ERRFMT process crashed because it1 > had no disk quota. The actual quota setting is:r) >    UIC [SYSTEM] has 2965732 blocks usedr5 >    of 2700000 authorized, 5000 permitted overdraft.iI > SYSTEM has BYPASS privilege. Page- and swapfile are on a separate disk,d the L > same is true for SYSUAF.DAT and similar files. In addition OPERATOR.LOG is) > purged daily, the same for ERRLOG.SYS .dI > I looked for files larger than 5000 blocks but found nothing explaining  whatG > is happening here. Next, I looked for files created since November 1,c againS@ > nothing uncommon. An "ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR" didn't help either.C > Thus, what else can I try to find out what is filling up SYSTEM's1
 diskquota? >8
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmanna > J > -----------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 11:58:16 +0100G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsoH Message-ID: <y4bsvkqgtz.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:  H > > In Canada, where we have 5 time zones, the media agree not to releasC > > results to a province until that province's polls have closed. aL > The U.S. media makes the same promise.  They often ignore it, and there's  > no way to punish them.  K I think it is a criminal offense to publish election results prematurely in N Germany. I think that's as it should be. There are also rules about publishing6 poll results in the week before the actual voting day.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:45:10 +0100i6 From: "Martin Knoblauch" <martin.knoblauch@compaq.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionse6 Message-ID: <8uok8e$51c$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  7 "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> wrote in message  news:3A0DB910.9413B4@GCE.com...-D > While the electoral college came into being for historical reasons2 > that don't interest many now, it has some value. >:E > Consider that there are regularly accusations of bias in elections,r= > of fraud, invented votes, etc., especially in large cities.e >   E  going to regret this :-) It seems to me there are three issues here:   K - the concept of the Electoral College itself. Now, as a German citizen, ite is not mine to comment :-)C - fraud. Now, one could try to minimize that by a nationwide strongiI authentication system. This of course maybe hard to sell to a nation that > seems to distrust th federal administration to a large degree.J - producing correct results from the voting process. I think a nation likeJ the US could be much better by utilizing modern technologies (same is trueF for Germany). At least the votes themselves would be "unquestionable".  #  Anyway, this is good fun to watch.s   Martin   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 08:26:40 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsd+ Message-ID: <dZVhqe9+kn+d@eisner.decus.org>d  a In article <8ui1jq$fkq@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:uF > It varies from place to place.  And thanks to the electoral college M > nonsense votes in different states have slightly different values.  To makenL > it even more ridiculous in this election the difference in Florida betweenH > the candidates' totals are well within the error levels of the variousL > technologies and the voters themselves.  (Ie, folks pushing the wrong holeI > by accident.)   The founding fathers got a lot of things right but theycO > wrote the constitution before statistics were well understood - and it shows.  >   B Actually the founding fathers simply left it up to the state.  TheH Constitution clearly makes selection of electors a responsibility of theE state legislature.  There are Amendments protecting rights related toiH popular votes for president and granting participation to the Distric ofG Columbia.  How and/or if the popular vote and the selection of electorslG are related is left up to the state.  This accounts for 48 states which D have winner takes all and two which don't, as well as other state to state variations.o  G I actually got interested enough in all this to go find and read a copyd2 of the Constitution.  Amazing what it doesn't say.  G Sentaotr Clinton and other members of the next Congress have reportedlytA mentioned a willingness to introduce an Amendment eliminating theo electoral college.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationa= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupyE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Nov 2000 08:34:48 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections + Message-ID: <yqO7$0LIIyRB@eisner.decus.org>   X In article <1001112210951.2093A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:F > You must be a member of a party to vote in a party primary election.  A That varies from state to state and part to party.  Maryland, foreC example, requires party changes to be 90 days before the a primary  F election if they are to be recognized at the primary, but the MarylandB Republican Party this year allowed registered independents to voteC in their primary.  When I voted in New Jersey you could change yourwB party at the poll, but I think they've joined the 90 day club now.  I IMHO the primary should belong to the people, not to the party.  Because rA it doesn't in Maryland I'm forced to register as a Democrat.  ForeB decades the only real decision on governor has been the DemocraticF primary, the Republican candidate didn't stand a chance in the generalH election.  That is appearently changing and I may change my registration when I'm convinced it has.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationi= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouphE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 14:13:11 -0000 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsl+ Message-ID: <8uostu$jjg@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>s  a "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message news:3A0DFC80.DACC340A@videotron.ca...   P > Consider that each week, lotteries can process millions of "votes", and withinN > a couple of hours of the winning number having been selected, they can countP > all of the "votes" and announce if there are winners, and from which region of > the country they came from.n  O This is rather different: the integrity of the lottery largely rests on that oflH the draw itself. Taking a copy of the entry database and simply making aF few copies on a non-volatile medium gives a high degree of protection.  M In Britain, the conduct of the national lottery has provoked a huge politicalpJ scandal. The less sophisticated systems at least have the  virtue of being transparent (no pun intended).   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:48:45 -0500u0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionse2 Message-ID: <5PwPOscvQz=lA=W1JpPJeyc9GcIa@4ax.com>   <snip>   >lH >Sentaotr Clinton and other members of the next Congress have reportedlyB >mentioned a willingness to introduce an Amendment eliminating the >electoral college.r >d  C I noticed.  Considering that it requires a 2/3 majority of both thea@ House and Senate, then passage by 3/4 of the state legislatures,9 it will never pass.  The House might pass such a measure, A I doubt it would get past the Senate, and 3/4 or the states wouldc never pass it.  C The Electoral College has (at least) the following points going fore it:c  ?     1.  The E.C. gives the smaller states a slight advantage indD           that the number of electors is equivalent to the number of:           House members plus the number of Senate members.>           Only the House membership is balanced by population;&           all states get two Senators.  B     2.  The E.C. helps prevent "regionalism", i.e. one area of the@           country from deciding the Presidency.  This could also(           be equated to urban vs. rural.  = As far as the "controversy" in the current election, the only : reason why it's an issue now is the closeness of the count< in Florida.  There are issues with the ballot and vote fraud in almost every election.2  : Finally, concerning those countries that are making fun of9 our way of electing a President, I have two observations:   B     1.  In spite of the posturing, the results will work their way>          out via the normal course of how vote tallying works.  8     2.  You see protesting here, but you don't see folks/          shooting each other over the election!o   David R. Beattye   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:15:15 +0000s$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsS/ Message-ID: <00256996.0053CDA5.00@quegw01.btyp>o  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    O Where I live we have a big piece of paper with all the candidates names on themaP alongside (where appropriate) a graphic of their party logo, and I have to put aA big X in the corresponding box alongside. Then people count them.m   Seems to work...   ;^DR   Steve Spires   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:58:35 -0500d2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionseL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1311001058350001@user-2ive6fo.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <3A0F3AE5.303F5A04@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:r   > Robert Deininger wrote:-> > > The ballot was designed by a Democrat election judge, BTW. > L > To me, this is irrelevant. The whole election process should be runned by= >  an L > independant apolitical entity.  The ballot should be designed by an elect= > ionnL > judge.  That this judge happens to vote X or Y when the time comes for hi= > m/her L > to cast his personal vote should be something that is kept private to tha= > t person.- > L > Each political party should simply have an official observer to ensure th= > atL > the election judge remains apolitical and fair to all candidates. This is= >  part $ > of being able to trust the system. > L > What I also don't understand  are media reports that "there were <number>= >  of L > registered <party_name> voters in that county. Shouldn't your party prefe= > rencehL > be something you keep private and only release on an anonymous ballot ? D= > OesyL > the USA really request that each citizen register his political affiliati= > on in4" > order to get the right to vote ?  H I'm having trouble reading you.  Can you turn off the "quoted-printable" stuff?    To answer a couple of questions:  ) Voter registration information is public.L  L In most states, you have to be registered in a party to vote in that party's primary election.   u You can choose to register as "independent".  In most states you won't be able to vote in any primary if you do that.)   In a general election, you can vote for whoever you want, obviously.  Party affiliation doesn't matter.  Everyone gets the same ballot.p  }As for finding "neutral" election judges:  They already have trouble getting enough people to run the polls all day.  "Neutral" would be pretty close to "apathetic", and apathetic folks aren't going to hang around a voting booth all day.  In practice, many of the election judges are strongly partisan, and the best we can hope for is that they will cancel each other out in pairs.S      eL > Having said this, I think that if I had been a voter for Gore in that cou= > nty,L > my comments to the media would be "you know, I thought I voted for gore, = > butSL > now that you point out that the ballot had two holes in gore's box, and o= > nlytG > the bottom one was for Gore, I am not sure whom I voted for anymore"., > L > Those who claim they voted for the wrong person have no excuse. If you kn= > owL > you punched the wrong hole, you should be able to get a new ballot and do= >  it right.   This has actually been decided by courts many times in the past, including in Florida.  They have always found that the voter has the responsibility to understand the ballot and make his choices. "Confusing ballot" cases always fail in the courts.r  N The voter can always ask for a new ballot if he messes up the first one.  This.always happens at some level, and some ballots were re-issued in Florida.  It appreas that SOME of the disputed ballots are actually the discarded ones, according to election judges from some precincts.  It seems obvious that the discarded ballots should be torn in half or something, but they weren't.  L > > Speaking of color, in some parts of Indiana, they managed to print the =L > ballots with all (and only) > the Democrats hi-lighted in bright yellow. =0 >  I guess nobody thought of outlawing that yet. > H > But using your argument, wasn't the ballot distributed to everyone and > approved by all parties ?   GI don't know if the Indiana ballot was distributed to everyone ahead of time. That is fairly unusual.  I assume it was approved by both sides ahead of time, though the color could have been slipped in at the last minute.  In any case, nobody is making a big deal about it.  I only mentioned it as an amusing little bit of news.I   > L > When you have two different candidates, the differences in public opinion= >  willuL > usually be greater than the average error rate in counting ballots. But w= > hen ? > you have two equally boring and nearly identical candidates, a   Glad you didn't have a vote!  If you think these two fellows are nearly identical, you'd have trouble mastering a ballot too. :-)e    I > A "system" which cannot reproduce the same results when you run a batchs> > through it multiple times should not be considered adequate.  z I've never heard of a system that got the exact same result on every recount.  It's safe to say that nobody expects it to.   -- S Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:06:39 -0500r2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionssL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1311001106400001@user-2ive6fo.dialup.mindspring.com>  Y In article <dZVhqe9+kn+d@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:u   D > Actually the founding fathers simply left it up to the state.  TheJ > Constitution clearly makes selection of electors a responsibility of theG > state legislature.  There are Amendments protecting rights related toyJ > popular votes for president and granting participation to the Distric ofI > Columbia.  How and/or if the popular vote and the selection of electorskI > are related is left up to the state.  This accounts for 48 states which.F > have winner takes all and two which don't, as well as other state to > state variations.. > I > I actually got interested enough in all this to go find and read a copy.4 > of the Constitution.  Amazing what it doesn't say.   That's an understatement...   I > Sentaotr Clinton and other members of the next Congress have reportedly*C > mentioned a willingness to introduce an Amendment eliminating thev > electoral college.   This has been introduced at least once or twice in every congress for decades.  It never goes anywhere.  Even if congress successfully proposes this amendment, there's probably zero chance that it will be ratified by 38 states.  The electoral college gives a slight edge to the small (in terms of population) states in a close election.  There are MANY such states, and they are unlikely to want to give up their advantage, since they are at a disadvantage in other areas.  New York, Pennsylvania, Texas, Califor   -- p Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:12:46 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)r' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsp, Message-ID: <8up3tu$1gpv$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <3A0DFC80.DACC340A@videotron.ca>,0  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: |>  N |> I think that technology could be used to ensure an accurate count the first0 |> time around, and a count that can be trusted.  A Some do not share your enthusiasm.  I would suggest a reading of:-3      Reflections on Trusting Trust by Ken Thompson.h Which can be found at:G      http://www.cs.umsl.edu/~sanjiv/sys_sec/security/thompson/hack.html   E And then tell me you still believe your original statement to be truem
 and accurate.    bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   h   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:17:56 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)t' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsd, Message-ID: <8up47k$1gpv$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  5 In article <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-1Tjud48Q7c7F@localhost>,d0  djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) writes:H |> On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:24:32, "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> 	 |> wrote:  |> o? |> > As it is with the present election, we are being shown how F |> > one particular county chosen after the fact has issues. It shouldC |> > be remembered that misvoting, mistabulation, voter confusion, lD |> > and mistake occur all over. (I found the voting booth this time< |> > slightly confusing, but figured it out quickly enough.) |> 1I |> Speaking as a euorpean. I first saw the Palm Beach voting form on the RH |> TV when they frist reported the complaints and I couldn't see how it  |> was meant to work.   A And yet when one of a local newspapers here passed out copies at 4B the local CYC daycare the little kids had no problem figuring out 2 which way to mark it for any particular candidate.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   E   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:22:50 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)m' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsi, Message-ID: <8up4gq$1gpv$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  , In article <3A0E5352.954E560D@videotron.ca>,0  JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: |> Rick Cadruvi wrote: |> >  K |> > Glenn's points are well taken.  Consider for a moment that without therD |> > electoral college, we would be doing recounts all over the US.  |> oP |> The electoral college has nothing to do with recounts. Recounts should happen= |> whenever they are not certain of the results in one area.    K Oh yeah, that works real good too.  We had a hotly contested local (County)cJ election in the last polling.  They recounted the votes 5 times before theJ state elections board finally said "enough is enough".  They got 5 totallyM different counts and reversed the election 3 times.  In the end, the electiono/ board ruled that the original vote would stand.f   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:30:30 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections , Message-ID: <8up4v6$pcg@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Z In article <g5vu0tgbvm8oma7astds74rofagb7n8c91@4ax.com>, LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes:7 >the first remedy,  might be something to help a voter h6 >confirm that his/her ballot is sound, and/or perhaps B >even that the punched ballot really reflects their final choices.  K Somewhat easier said than done.  You don't have to vote for President, but hG if you did, and the little tab didn't fall all the way out, your ballot'J could pass the validity testing and still not be what you intended (as it R might read as you intended on the local machine, and another on the main machine).D Of course, if you really care you should check your own ballot card G by eye before handing it in, which is something you can do now.  Maybe  F polling sites should require that you inspect it in front of the poll E watchers before you turn it in.  That could be done 10 feet from the  L watchers and they wouldn't be able to read it, but could check off that you  had inspected your card.  I This sort of validation would be much easier to handle with an electronic-G system, where you could get a "you voted for xxx, is this correct" menuiI before the thing was actually transmitted.  Electronic systems have theirsE own problems though, mostly in the area of preventing outright fraud,0D especially if internet voting is allowed.  The little old ladies whoG couldn't make sense of the Florida ballot aren't likely to do very wellrB with digital signatures, one time passwords, and the like either!    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech a   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 16:31:23 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)e' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsl, Message-ID: <8up50r$1gpv$4@info.cs.uofs.edu>  / In article <t0uevi6iq49u3f@corp.supernews.com>,e,  "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes: |> aM |> The people that do not understand a technology will not trust it for theiro	 |> votes.h  < And the people who do understand it will trust it even less.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Nov 2000 17:14:20 GMT& From: "Rick Cadruvi" <rick@rdperf.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionse0 Message-ID: <8up7hc$qaj@dispatch.concentric.net>  B Actually Dave, we don't have Federal Elections.  All our electionsG are state elections.  Presidential elections are made up of 50 seperatenF state elections for the "electors" that will vote for the President in	 December.A   Rick...3  : "Dave Weatherall" <djweath@attglobal.net> wrote in message/ news:DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-1Tjud48Q7c7F@localhost...oF > On Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:24:32, "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com> > wrote: >eH > It's a federal election so shouldn't there be a federal voting system?C > Should each constituency choose is own method. Is that fair or an D > invitation to skewing the ballot. Isn't that partly what the CivilF > Rights movement was trying to achieve in the 60's and 70's? (Still?)G > Oh well that's enough OT. It definitely ain't COV unless VMS gets thef > job of doing the count :-) >d > Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:38:19 +0000g8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections4L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FB5@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  H We're sure getting the Mother of All Soap Operas at the moment! A lot ofL people will be extremely disappointed if the show ends this week. Letting itL run right to the wire on January 20th or whenever might convince people that something has to change.    K The US has shown the World in a quite spectacular way how not to conduct annI election. It has also demonstrated that the freedom to do things your ownsK way can go too far. The one item missing from the whole US election processe is common sense.  I The "technology" such as it is appears to be concentrated in the countingoD process with no consideration given to the fact that it can be quiteL difficult to punch a clear hole in any piece of card especially if you don'tE use some pressure-assisted tool. I find it incredible that people areeL prepared to accept that counts should be accurate within error limits. We'reL not discussing here some experimental scientific measurement but the preciseJ number of votes cast in an election. In manual counts there will always beI some errors in the first count but, when the results are close, there arecL recounts until all candidates are satisfied that the count is 100% accurate,K not within a 2%, or whatever, error margin. In any election n votes  has tonL mean n votes and not n +/- e .   A manual recount of the whole country mightC be the only thing which will convince people that accuracy matters.   L On the subject of accuracy and that little chad crittur, is it only a matterL of time before the Gun Lobby demans the right to shoot that chad right outta the back of the card?r   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax):   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:51:01 +0000.- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections ) Message-ID: <3A102A05.43D6A077@bbc.co.uk>    Robert Deininger wrote:e  [ > In article <dZVhqe9+kn+d@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) wrote:i > L >  > Sentaotr Clinton and other members of the next Congress have reportedlyE > > mentioned a willingness to introduce an Amendment eliminating theo > > electoral college. >0 > This has been introduced at least once or twice in every congress for decades.  It never goes anywhere.  Even if congress successfully proposes this amendment, there's probably zero chance that it will be ratified by 38 states.  The electoral college gives a slight edge to the small (in terms of population) states in a close election.  There are MANY such states, and they are unlikely to want to give up their advantage, since they are at a disadvantage in other areas.  New York, Pennsylvania, Texas, Calif >e  T  Yeah, had me laughing just as much as Labour's promisies of introducing proprtionalT representation when elected while they were in opposition all those Tory years. Have4 we seen one move towards PR since they were elected?   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of" MedAS or the BBC.=   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:48:54 +0000a- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsl) Message-ID: <3A102985.5A614A1D@bbc.co.uk>t  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:f  N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >yQ > Where I live we have a big piece of paper with all the candidates names on themiR > alongside (where appropriate) a graphic of their party logo, and I have to put aC > big X in the corresponding box alongside. Then people count them.   Q Well, you do get to fold the slip and put it in a big tin box via a small hole ine then9 top, and maybe sharpen the pencil if the lead has broken.n   > Seems to work...  T Yup, and only if you can't read will there be any possibility of being misled by the   voting technology.  K Tim, getting VERY bored of the US election fiasco. I mean, you people don't & even have a standard voting procedure?   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukn  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:14:57 -0500e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>I' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsu/ Message-ID: <t10btiq9jjli8c@corp.supernews.com>s  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:3A0F3AE5.303F5A04@videotron.ca... > Robert Deininger wrote:f> > > The ballot was designed by a Democrat election judge, BTW. > A > To me, this is irrelevant. The whole election process should bei runned by anE > independant apolitical entity.  The ballot should be designed by ang electionD > judge.  That this judge happens to vote X or Y when the time comes for him/herbD > to cast his personal vote should be something that is kept private to that person.  > ...a  ? Just to go even further off-topic (if it is possible to go even$ further off-topic in this thread)...  E Maybe Canadians shouldn't comment on using "an independent apolitical > entity." I thought that was what we did until recently. In ourC upcoming federal elections the Alliance candidate in my riding is atA local radio and newspaper personality. He wanted to run using hisaC stage name since that is the name people know him as. In Canada the C ballots (and which names appear on them) have to be approved by thelD local returning officer. The local returning officer is an appointedF position and most officers were appointed when the Liberals redrew the" riding boundaries a few years ago.  D In the end the returning officer let him use his stage name in place@ of his middle name, but half the signs I see around town are forD "Randy Taylor" and half are for "Randy Taylor Dumont" - it should beB interesting to see what complaints come out of that two weeks fromE now. (btw: I just checked, www.canadianalliance.com has him listed asi? Randy Taylor, but www.randytaylor.net has both names mentioned.      --B "How many Americans do we have in the audience tonight?... oh, I'm( sorry, I forgot you people can't count." Mike Bullard 9-NOV-2000a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:06:45 -0300n) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brn9 Subject: Technology of US elections x Brazilian electionscL Message-ID: <OF95970324.F3BACBF4-ON03256996.00637698@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H We had elections in my country this year, 100% using electronic vote, w= ithe no fraud and etc ...  H Sounds  funny to see a country of the "third world"  with success in an=   electronic  election with H almost 100.000.000 of votes and the great power of the world with a mes= sy election....  H Why the third world countries are so good in reverse engineering  ???? = :s -)))    H Check the site below  (in portuguese). And if you are a little bit smar= t go to http://world.altavista.comoH and translate from Portuguese to English. It=B4s not 100% perfect but .= ...r  ) http://www.procomp.com.br/index_eleit.htms   Regards, =y   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 07:21:07 +0000 (UTC) ' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>t Subject: Re: Time Zone, Message-ID: <8uo4p3$p73$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  2 Bill Gunshannon <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote:  F > What do you mean the US date is out of synch??  We invented Daylight > Savings Time.8   Shame on you if you did!  :-(e   /OKn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 21:34:49 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auh Subject: Re: Time Zone5 Message-ID: <01JWI8HVF70I006HT8@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   	 Osmo saids  3 >Bill Gunshannon <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote:m >eG >> What do you mean the US date is out of synch??  We invented Daylightt >> Savings Time. >l >Shame on you if you did!  :-( >.I I still claim that invention and inception/conception (?) are different. e  M Hmm, claiming credit and actually doing the thing are different.  Young Bill dP actually claimed credit for making his wife pregnant  Let me not be cynical, in P one of his books (that seemingly sell like widfire), he made the comment -- the I book "The road ahead", -- The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be n9 development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers.a  M Wow, he had a bigger margin than did Fermat.  Forget Diophantine, let's have g
 GATESian.    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,3
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiau   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,n; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:14:07 +0000n. From: Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com>C Subject: Re: Two Phase Commit (2PC) on VMS - the nature of the fusss* Message-ID: <3A0FBEEF.535414EE@oracle.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------1030AA62556F68CEB06D24FC* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitu  \ Explicit use of the DECdtm system services is documented in the Oracle Rdb for OpenVMS Guide] to Distributed Transactions. Apart from the changes to product names this manual has not beenn. significantly changed since Oracle bought Rdb.  \ The Compaq ACMS for OpenVMS Systems Interface Programming manual also describes using  them,5 and they are in the System Services Reference manual.c  
 Peter Jackson    Larry Kilgallen wrote:  D > The other issue is that VMS declined to document DDTM, so only RdbE > and RMS can be "Resource Managers".  Even if Compaq did not support:E > the new protocols as Richard wants, someone else could do so if themE > DECdtm specification were public.  I gather from Jim's comment thateD > all other issues aside, Compaq is reluctant to document the DECdtm> > interface because it has only been tested with two products.  & --------------1030AA62556F68CEB06D24FC- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;i  name="peter.jackson.vcf", Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bith+ Content-Description: Card for Peter Jacksons  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="peter.jackson.vcf"o   begin:vcard  n:Jackson;Petert tel;fax:01344 415100 tel;work:0118 9249165e x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Oracle Corporation UK Ltd.
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1c' email;internet:peter.jackson@oracle.comn fn:Peter Jackson	 end:vcardf  ( --------------1030AA62556F68CEB06D24FC--   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:30:35 GMTv? From: Jim.Johnson@software-exploration.nospam.com (Jim Johnson)dC Subject: Re: Two Phase Commit (2PC) on VMS - the nature of the fuss / Message-ID: <3a0fcd82.7245949@news.demon.co.uk>-   Peter,  A The issue is that there are 3 (or 4, depending on how you want to.C count) interfaces into DECdtm.  This is a fairly standard breakdowns+ for a transaction manager, and consists of:n  A - the AP (application program) interface.  This is the well knownt; $START_TRANS, $END_TRANS, $ABORT_TRANS services.  These areG documented.   B - the branch services interface.  These services allow distributedC application programs to coordinate their commitment across multiplee
 instances.  = - the RM (resource manager) interface.  These allow 'resource>A managers', such as RMS or Rdb, to join a transaction, vote on itsy= outcome, and hear about the results.  The recovery resolution(% interface is also part of this suite.   = - the CM (communications manager) interface.  This is used torC communicate to another transaction manager instance.  Conceptually,nE this is a special form of the RM interface, inasmuch as it allows for ; 'resource managers' that can be parents of the transaction.i  F All of these have existed since V5.4, all are in use by one product orE another, but only the AP interface was ever publicly documented.  Then@ issue at hand is that support for something like XA, or your ownB resource manager (such as one that provides transaction consistent@ memory), requires access to some or all of the other interfaces.   Jim.  1 On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:14:07 +0000, Peter Jacksong! <peter.jackson@oracle.com> wrote:d  - >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.c' >--------------1030AA62556F68CEB06D24FCi+ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciit  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >e] >Explicit use of the DECdtm system services is documented in the Oracle Rdb for OpenVMS Guideh^ >to Distributed Transactions. Apart from the changes to product names this manual has not been/ >significantly changed since Oracle bought Rdb.t >o] >The Compaq ACMS for OpenVMS Systems Interface Programming manual also describes using  them,e6 >and they are in the System Services Reference manual. >  >Peter Jackson >c >Larry Kilgallen wrote:  > E >> The other issue is that VMS declined to document DDTM, so only RdbiF >> and RMS can be "Resource Managers".  Even if Compaq did not supportF >> the new protocols as Richard wants, someone else could do so if theF >> DECdtm specification were public.  I gather from Jim's comment thatE >> all other issues aside, Compaq is reluctant to document the DECdtm ? >> interface because it has only been tested with two products.e >o' >--------------1030AA62556F68CEB06D24FCv. >Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; > name="peter.jackson.vcf"  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit, >Content-Description: Card for Peter Jackson! >Content-Disposition: attachment;i > filename="peter.jackson.vcf" > 
 >begin:vcard   >n:Jackson;Peter >tel;fax:01344 415100o >tel;work:0118 9249165 >x-mozilla-html:FALSEh >org:Oracle Corporation UK Ltd.s >adr:;;;;;;e >version:2.1( >email;internet:peter.jackson@oracle.com >fn:Peter Jackson 
 >end:vcard >c) >--------------1030AA62556F68CEB06D24FC--e >a   Jim Johnson- Software Exploration, Ltd.' Software Navigation and Discovery Toolsn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 16:54:52 +0000l- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> C Subject: Re: Two Phase Commit (2PC) on VMS - the nature of the fussg) Message-ID: <3A101CDC.549A28CD@bbc.co.uk>o   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  [ > In article <3A0C1749.D920FA6C@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:i >t > > Anyway, what is 2PC? > E > 2PC stands for "Two phase commit".  That is the fundamental serviceeE > implemented by DECdtm (nee DDTM).  When Richard talks about a "lackdE > of 2PC" on VMS, he is making a gross exaggeration.  VMS has had 2PC#7 > for years between RMS and Rdb, across multiple nodes.-  G Thanks Larry, (and Paul Sture for email), I know about DTM, never heard. it called 2PC before.n   Regards   --i6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofl MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 13:18:44 +0100 , From: Helmut Michels <michels@linmpi.mpg.de>0 Subject: [ANN]: Data Plotting Library DISLIN 7.4- Message-ID: <3A0FDC23.66571F11@linmpi.mpg.de>r  B I am pleased to announce version 7.4 of the data plotting software DISLIN.e  ; DISLIN is a high-level and easy to use plotting library foriC displaying data as curves, bar graphs, pie charts, 3D-colour plots,tA surfaces, contours and maps. Several output formats are supported0A such as X11, VGA, PostScript, CGM, HPGL, TIFF, PNG and Prescribe.n  B The software is available for several C, Fortran 77 and Fortran 90C compilers. Plotting extensions for the interpreting languages Perl, B Python and Java are also supported for the most operating systems.  3 Some of the new features of DISLIN version 7.4 are:6  E  - TeX instructions for plotting mathematical formulas can be used ine alli    text plotting routines;  @  - plotting of isosurfaces based on the Marching Cubes method is
 supported;  /  - lighting can be enabled for shaded surfaces;n  9  - the PPM format is added to the list of output formats.n    G DISLIN distributions and manuals in PDF, PostScript and HTML format areo# available from the DISLIN Home Pages  $      http://www.linmpi.mpg.de/dislin   and via FTP from the servert  (      ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/grafik/dislin    -------------------   Helmut Michels=   Max-Planck-Institut fuer Aeronomie  Phone: +49 5556 979-334e=   Max-Planck-Str. 2                   Fax  : +49 5556 979-240tB   D-37191 Katlenburg-Lindau           Mail : michels@linmpi.mpg.de   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.635 ************************