1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 15 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 638       Contents:! Re: *.*;-0: undocumented feature? P Re: Anybody know if exist a free emulator of  "VAX/VMS Operating System" for PCsE Re: AS 255/233, which graphics card do I have without opening the box : Re: Axent / Checkpoint Security Consultant - Now AvailableP Baseball (was: Re: Technology of US elections OR why Palm Beach selected Solaris
 Bookreader Re: Bookreader Re: Bookreader Re: Bookreader* Re: Enabling DECwindows on a VAX 4000/300.' Re: Fibre Channel Encapsulation/Gateway 5 Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!! 
 FUD to FAD: Re: Help... Need Software to Logoff users after 20 minutes More on write-back caching@ Re: New feature request for host based shadow disks -- Scrubbing> Re: One for the storage gurus: shadowsets between HSJ and HSGs Printing blank page . Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed. Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed Re: System disk filling up Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US Elections RE: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US Elections4 Re: Tracking IO - unsupported DCL/debugging feature? RE: Wildfire GS160 Re: Wildfire GS1605 [Fwd: More on write-back caching] - the mount command   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:29:50 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>* Subject: Re: *.*;-0: undocumented feature?> Message-ID: <hshubs-421F12.20295014112000@news.mindspring.com>  N In article <m3em0escga.fsf@sebold.lcms.org>, Charles Sebold <sebold@lcms.org>  wrote:  1 >Of course, I _never_ think things like that now.    Of course not.  2 http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/30/index.html --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:54:28 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>Y Subject: Re: Anybody know if exist a free emulator of  "VAX/VMS Operating System" for PCs ( Message-ID: <8us4lr$13i$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  C charon-vax works on WNT and Linux. I tried the latter and was quite / amused to see a PC that boots a VAX/VMS CD-rom.    URL: www.charon-vax.com   	 Have fun,   
 Hans Vlems  G Rosey Neal heeft geschreven in bericht <3A110A34.5F3708D2@emory.edu>...  >Please let me Know also;  > 
 >Tanks,   :=)  >  >Rosey Neal  >rneal@emory,edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:16:54 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> N Subject: Re: AS 255/233, which graphics card do I have without opening the box, Message-ID: <8us31o$36be$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  F My guess is that you have a Mach-64 ISA graphics card (the most common ISA card out there for VMS).  ? Check the IO prefixes (SYSMAN IO SHO PREFIX) and make sure that @ DECW is one of them.  Do a SYSMAN IO AUTO/FULL to see what ICBMs= are being invoked - and make sure DECW$ICBM is being invoked.   7 If so, check that DECW$AUTOCONFIG.DAT is in SYS$MANAGER   / If so, edit the file and add a line: DEBUG = -1    And try the SYSMAN command.       ? Tim Llewellyn wrote in message <3A117B4B.54384BFA@bbc.co.uk>...  >  >  >"Mark D. Jilson" wrote: > J >> That appears to be the sound card,  here is an excerpt from the DSNlinkJ >> article - [Motif, MME] Troubleshooting the AUA0: Device on AlphaStation
 >> Systems >> > . >OK, sounds plausible, here is the full output >  >Adapter Configuration:  >---------------------- K >TR Adapter     ADP      Hose Bus   BusArrayEntry  Node Device Name / HW-Id L >-- ----------- -------- ---- -------------------- ---- -------------------- ----- , > 1 KA0D02      80DB7840    0 BUSLESS_SYSTEM! > 2 PCI         80DB7A40    0 PCI G >                                   80DB7D68  PKA:    6 NCR 53C810 SCSI > >                                   80DB7DA0          7 SATURNG >                                   80DB7EB8  PKB:   12 NCR 53C810 SCSI B >                                   80DB7F28  EWA:   14 NI (Tulip)! > 3 ISA         80DB8240    0 ISA I >                                   80DB8418          0 EISA_SYSTEM_BOARD @ >                                   80DB8450          1 ISA--VGA= >                                   80DB8488          2 PCXBJ " > 4 XBUS        80DB87C0    0 XBUS< >                                   80DB8998          0 MOUS; >                                   80DB89D0          1 KBD C >                                   80DB8A08  TTA:    2 Serial Port K >                                   80DB8A40  TTB:    3 NS16450 Serial Port D >                                   80DB8A78  LRA:    4 Line Printer (parallel po >rt)> >                                   80DB8AB0  DVA:    5 Floppy >SDA>  > # >The graphics is ISA-VGA, I guess ?  >  >>K >>    'The AlphaStation 200 series systems come with a small version of the I >>    Microsoft Sound card plugged in to a single ISA slot off the system K >>    module. This ISA slot is separate from the bus I/O Card that contains  >> theJ >>    PCI and EISA/ISA Bus slots. This card shows up under the SRM Console >> SHOW K >>    CONFIG table as the following device.  The option number is PBXJA-AA.  >>E >>    ISA Slot  Device   Name     Type       Enabled   BaseAddr   IRQ  >> DMAF >>    --------  ------   -------  -----      -------   --------   ---- >> ---D >>    2        0        PCXBJ    Singleport   Yes      530         9 >> 0'  >> >> Tim Llewellyn wrote:  >> > >> > Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >> >L >> > > You need to find out the what the device is.  Is it a PCI device?  If it is,J >> > > then a CLUE CONFIG in SDA will tell you the device ID in HEX - from that we J >> > > can tell you what it is - or at least if it is supported.  If it is an ISAG >> > > device, then you'll need to open up the box and figure it out by 
 looking atJ >> > > the board... although for most known ISA graphics, you just need to do the, >> > > ISACFG for a device ID of "ISA--VGA". >> > >L >> > > The console "should" tell you something if you do a SHOW CONFIG -- at least % >> > > something like "VGA Graphics".  >> > > >> >E >> > Thanks Fred and others, I'd forgotten about SHOW CONFIG from the  console, >> > I was using SHOW DEV. >> >8 >> > I'll take the system down later on, for now I have: >> >& >> >   3 ISA         80DB8240    0 ISA; >> >                                    80DB8418          0  EISA_SYSTEM_BOARD D >> >                                    80DB8450          1 ISA--VGAA >> >                                    80DB8488          2 PCXBJ  >> >8 >> > so it looks like an ISA card of some type (PCXBJ?). >> > >> >  --; >> > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project 5 >> > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK. F >> > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk >> >F >> > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of >> > MedAS or the BBC. >> >> -- I >> Jilly   - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY I >>         - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine  fan J >>         - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com                        - since 1975 or so6 >>         - http://www.jilly.baka.com               - >  >-- 7 >Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project 1 >MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK. B >Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk > B >I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of >MedAS or the BBC. >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Nov 2000 12:44:16 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)C Subject: Re: Axent / Checkpoint Security Consultant - Now Available ! Message-ID: <TuZg3FC1oVym@flying>   : In article <E13vJZU-0003zP-00@gate-isdn.sphinxcst.co.uk>, L Sphinx Professional Services <professional.services@sphinxcst.co.uk> writes:  C > Sphinx CST's Senior Network Security Consultant is now available    ; This idiot also spammed our abuse address -- what a maroon!   5 Send complaints to his upstream, noc@as5388.net or to # their upstream, abuse@bbnplanet.net    --  B --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:44:11 -0500   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>Y Subject: Baseball (was: Re: Technology of US elections OR why Palm Beach selected Solaris . Message-ID: <1001114193234.2721A@Ives.egh.com>  " On 14 Nov 2000, Bob Koehler wrote:  Z > In article <1001113194532.2093B-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: > > E > > The spaces between the minus signs, plus signs, and vertical bars E > > are NOT artifacts.  They are really there, and are what keeps the A > > little rectangle from falling out of the card.  However, they  > > are easily torn! > >  > J > This depends on which punch card voting technology the county is using. H > Our county uses a card which looks the same size and is the same shapeI > as the old 80 column computer cards (even with one corner knocked off). I > There are no prepunched holes.  The punching machine in the voting both J > is suppposed top prevent alignment problems, but does nothing to preventI > multiple punches or even punches where there is no selection indicated, ' > either of which invalidates the vote.  > H > Don't know if any county in Floria has this system, but nation wide it > is quite common.  I Really!  I guess there is more than one system.  I used to live somewhere F where they used cards that looked like the cards they showed on TV forG the Palm Beach ballots, and the description of the butterfly ballot and B the tool you use to punch out the holes exactly matched my memory.  D I don't remember whether the ballots were the same size and shape asD an "IBM" card.  However, I distinctly remember the baseball All-StarA ballots (distributed by the millions at all major league baseball A games between the middle of May and the end of June, IIRC.)  They A used the same sort of pre-perforated punchouts, and were the same G size and shape as an 80-column computer card, including the knocked-off C corner.  Talk about bad election technology!  It was traditional in C some cities to stuff the ballot boxes, and it was easy (but boring) A to vote hundreds of times at any game, since there was absolutely ? no control over the blank ballots.  (At least, at Fenway Park.) @ I think they may have adopted a new scheme recently, but I'm not> sure since I haven't been to a baseball game during the voting period for several years.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:06:12 -0500 + From: Clayton Kroh <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>  Subject: Bookreader + Message-ID: <3A11A944.2EB4F187@clarion.edu>   K Is there a way to read "book reader" files such as cobref.bkb from Windows?    Thanks   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:31:18 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Bookreader > Message-ID: <hshubs-7FA855.20311814112000@news.mindspring.com>  9 In article <3A11A944.2EB4F187@clarion.edu>, Clayton Kroh   <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> wrote:   L >Is there a way to read "book reader" files such as cobref.bkb from Windows?  O The September 2000 VMS distribution contains a pair of beta CD-ROMs of the doc   set for use on Windows.  --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:44:51 -0800 ! From: Tom Linden <tom@kednos.com>  Subject: Re: Bookreader 1 Message-ID: <01cb01c04ea5$a56c4340$f6c7cccf@reka>   0 Is there a site from where it may be downloaded?   ----- Original Message -----. From: "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ( Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:31 PM Subject: Re: Bookreader     : > In article <3A11A944.2EB4F187@clarion.edu>, Clayton Kroh! > <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDU> wrote:  > E > >Is there a way to read "book reader" files such as cobref.bkb from  Windows? > L > The September 2000 VMS distribution contains a pair of beta CD-ROMs of the doc  > set for use on Windows.  > -- > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!" >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:17:12 -0600 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>  Subject: Re: Bookreader / Message-ID: <t13sdik4lpo2c9@corp.supernews.com>    See:  / http://www.openvms.compaq.com/odl_axp_beta.html    -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network  
 VMS Rules!      ' "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.company> wrote 6 in message news:01cb01c04ea5$a56c4340$f6c7cccf@reka...  2 > Is there a site from where it may be downloaded? > 4 > From: "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.company> > < > > In article <3A11A944.2EB4F187@clarion.edu>, Clayton Kroh) > > <ckroh@MAIL.CLARION.EDUcation> wrote:  > > 7 > > >Is there a way to read "book reader" files such as  > > >cobref.bkb from Windows?  > > : > > The September 2000 VMS distribution contains a pair of2 > > beta CD-ROMs of the doc set for use on Windows   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:18:16 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> 3 Subject: Re: Enabling DECwindows on a VAX 4000/300. , Message-ID: <8us349$369l$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  & I guess I should mention:  Alpha-only.      ? Theo Jakobus wrote in message <3A11786D.142737B7@iaf.fhg.de>...  >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >>I >> Ayup.  Just to make life even more exciting, in the next Motif release I >> (1.2-6) I've actually enabled the UNIX pathname logic - so you will be  ableL >> to define UIDPATH with lovely UNIX syntax like "./foo:/tmp" including theL >> internationalization substitution fallbacks.  That is, we will conform toI >> the Motif spec for all the UID path defaults and fallbacks if we can't  find> >> the UID file in DECW$USER_DEFAULTS and DECW$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS >> > D >Chrismas is coming, DECwindows Motif gets an update and MOZILLA for >DECwindows is available!!!  >  > 	 >Regards,  >--  > < >***********************************************************< >*                                                         *< >*  Theo Jakobus                                           *< >*  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *< >*  Tullastr. 72                                           *< >*  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *< >*  Germany                                                *< >*  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *< >*  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *< >*  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *< >*  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *< >*                                                         *< >***********************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:25:55 GMT  From: kparris@my-deja.com 0 Subject: Re: Fibre Channel Encapsulation/Gateway) Message-ID: <8usakn$nei$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    carlhirsch@my-deja.com wrote: G > I work for a company that runs VMS clusters for its core application. B > One project we're working on is an attempt to extend a VMS FibreH > Channel SAN across a 40-mile run of fiber to a disaster recovery site.F > One limitation we're running into is that all but the most expensive0 > solutions don't support Fibre Channel signals.  F You can link Fibre Channel over an ATM link using CNT boxes -- ask theG Compaq StorageWorks folks for details on the hardware involved.  Do you E already have the fiber link in-place? or just know that dark fiber is ! available between your two sites?   A > What I'm wondering is this - is anyone in this forum aware of a5G > technology that allows Fibre Channel to ride over IP or Ethernet? I'mtC > not aware of any gateways of this sort, but I figured I'd ask theO > question.e  E Cisco and friends are working on SCSI-over-IP standards.  No products $ available yet, from what I've heard.  A Interesting choice you may face: buy Fibre Channel, which networklE experts disparagingly think of as networking gear designed by storage E folks, or SCSI- over-IP, which storage experts disparagingly think of0. as storage gear designed by network folks. :-)  E > Of course, since it's VMS latency is an issue as well. So somethingp< > hardware-based would be preferable to a software solution.  F You might be surprised.  In tests I've seen, the CNT boxes added about@ 3 milliseconds latency per trip through.  Running an I/O requestC through the VMS MSCP server software on a typical Alphaserver thesee( days adds only 1-2 milliseconds latency.  F Considering that you have an existing VMS environment, and consideringF the expense and risk involved, I'd strongly recommend doing some real-; world comparisons and tests (or at least much more in-deptheB evaluations) of both solutions before you decide, measuring actualG performance, ease of management, and behavior in failover scenarios.  ISF wouldn't advise making any prior assumptions about which solution will
 be better.  D If there are also servers at the remote site which are to be part ofG your VMS cluster (most likely, I'm guessing, since data without serverstF there is not very useful after failure of your main site), you'll need@ a second link in addition to Fibre Channel for the intra-clusterF traffic, since VMS can't send SCS-protocol traffic over Fibre Channel.D If you went the host-based volume shadowing route, you'd only need 1D link for both the cluster and storage traffic, and the link could be: could be DS-3, ATM, FDDI, or 10mbit/Fast/Gigabit Ethernet.G -----------------------------------------------------------------------.G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospamlF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.3   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Nov 2000 19:25:38 GMT0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)> Subject: Re: FREE OpenVMS Windows NT intergration book *NOT*!!* Message-ID: <8us3ji$gmt@usenet.pa.dec.com>   Ok,y  2 	The first copy of the OpenVMS eStore is US ONLY.   A Sorry but we have to start someplace. We are trying to expand andrD get an EMEA store going. We are also trying to go worldwide and hook: into Compaq's existing store technologies. It isn't easy.   C To fix the Dummies book problem we are changing how we are going to G distribute the book. There will be an online form sent to a fulfillment * house that will send the books WORLDWIDE.   F The first pass of the form/processing is out for review and as soon asE the vendor ok's it (ie they can take what I'm sending them and createu8 a mailing label, fulfillment etc) then it will go live.    Give us the rest of the week.8   -warren1   -- kB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/ -B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:00:13 -0500 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> Subject: FUD to FADND Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001114160013.009efe40@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi VMS Colleagues...  F It appears the FUD seen here recently is changing to FAD (Frustration,I Anger, and Disillusionment) in the real world as Mr McNealy & Co. bask inu= another round of "Fun in the Sun" enterprise level publicity.-  3 http://www.internetweek.com/columns00/rob111300.htm-    as well as the previous story at  2 http://www.internetweek.com/story/INW20001109S0002   Regards,   Jim 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.C8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com          jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:49:24 GMT + From: Craig A. Berry <calepine@my-deja.com> C Subject: Re: Help... Need Software to Logoff users after 20 minutes ) Message-ID: <8us1fg$et9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>6  6 The WKU archive appears to be one version behind.  Try  % <http://www.madgoat.com/watcher.html>o  H In article <OFA67CCD62.45E09565-ON80256996.00695021@qedi.quintiles.com>,#   steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:uG > We use WATCHER on Alpha OpenVMS 7.2-1 systems since years without anya > problem and it's free!!! >s> > http://www2.wku.edu/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?WATCHER<<< >  >o    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:41:30 +0800t4 From: Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com># Subject: More on write-back caching + Message-ID: <3A1213FA.4FE4174A@bigpond.com>   	 Hi Folks,   C I have an AlphaServer 1000 4/233 running VMS 7.1, with a Mylex RAID- controller.-? There are 5 disks, each is configured as a JBOD and the cachingn. policy defined for each disk is write-through.B When the disks are mounted, DRA0 (the system disk) shows as havingB write-through caching enabled, the other four disks show as having write-back caching enabled. E Can anyone offer an explanation for this apparent discrepancy (and if   so please share it with me :-) ?   -- a Regards, Dave.rI -------------------------------------------------------------------------aI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comwI DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm"I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennono   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:56:28 GMT> From: kparris@my-deja.comaI Subject: Re: New feature request for host based shadow disks -- Scrubbingu) Message-ID: <8us5d7$ifr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s  D A couple of years ago we were fighting an obscure problem that wouldF occasionally result in a few blocks being different on the two membersF of a shadowset.  The discrepancies were initially noticed when we wereE running the DEC defragmentor with the /WRITE_CHECK option enabled and F it apparently happened to read different members of the shadowset when2 it verified data, and thus detected a discrepancy.  C At the time, the Colorado CSC provided us with a program that could,E scan through a shadowset, reading each member, comparing the contentscG of the members, and noting any discrepancies.  I've since forgotten the ? name of the program, but I'm sure they could dig it up for you. G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:07:33 GMTd From: kparris@my-deja.comRG Subject: Re: One for the storage gurus: shadowsets between HSJ and HSGsb) Message-ID: <8us9id$mci$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  > You can use the CREATE_PARTITION command on the HSGs to createG partitions that are the same number of blocks in size as the HSJ units,rE and then volume shadowing will indeed accept the HSG units as membersnF of the shadowsets along with the HSJ units (one of my team did exactly that last weekend).v  A Despite talk of potential future support for mixed-size shadowsetcB members, Volume Shadowing today enforces an exact block size matchA between members.  The temorary restrictions of the last few yearstG requiring matching geometry (cylinders, tracks, sectors) in addition toh? size have been removed since the addition of code to handle theeD placement of (and searches for) alternate home blocks in a geometry- independent fashion.  G At some point, you'll probably want to take the downtime hit and use an-6 image backup to transfer the data to native HSG units.  E Be aware that with the HSGs, when a VMS node crashes, you'll get fully@ merges on the shadowsets instead of the brief mini-merges you've enjoyed on the HSJs.G -----------------------------------------------------------------------1G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:23:13 -0500t2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Printing blank page7 Message-ID: <200011150023_MC2-BAE3-3819@compuserve.com>w  G         ECO 4 is the latest.  I don't think it will solve your problem!u  B         The problem is that the printer control codes that you areJ transmitting are not ANSI X3.64 compliant.  The print symbiont knows how = toH parse ANSI X3.64 escape sequences and recognizes that they do not change the print position.e  J         PCL appears, to the print symbiont, as though it might change the=  J print position therefore the symbiont, in an effort to begin the job at t= heJ first print position on a new page, issues a form feed.  Depending on the=  J make and model of the printer involved, it may be possible to enclose you= rrJ setup string between <DCS> and <ST>  These ASCII control characters make = itH appear, to the symbiont, that you are sending control information to theH printer.   The symbiont is happy to ignore this.  The older H-P printersF ignore the <DCS> and <ST> characters.  The newer printers try to print them.b  G         Other than writing your own print symbiont, there is no generalaE solution to this problem.  Sometimes workarounds work, sometimes theytJ don't.   You could, of course, use an ANSI X3.64 compliant printer . . . = .   J         Or, you could wait for Compaq to produce a print symbiont that ca= nt parse PCL. . . .    + Message text written by "USERNET NEWSGROUP"a >Onu> DIGITAL TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.2 - ECO 1 on a AlphaServer 1200 5/533 4MBh running OpenVMS V7.1-1H2  , I have a problem with a client, in printing.J They print out invoices thru an interactive program in which each invoice=   isG its own print job. Every invoice is preceded by a blank page, using andvH therefore wasting preprinted invoice stationery. I have read FAQ's, fromH =93Ask the Wizard=94 on the OpenVms.digital website, about this problem, howeverCJ none of the solutions worked. I understand that TCP/IP services ver4.2 is=  F the latest. What is the significance of ECO 1? Is this the latest ECO?J I have made sure that the form and queue settings are correct, so as to n= otH invite a page overflow problem (which would cause a blank page to follow theo invoice, anyway).D Here are the settings:= Printer queue HKINV3, idle, on ACTIVE::"205.198.253.84:9100",l% mounted form HKINV3 (stock=3DDEFAULT).B /AUTOSTART_ON=3D(ACTIVE::"205.198.253.84:9100") /BASE_PRIORITY=3D4J /DEFAULT=3D(FORM=3DHKINV3 (stock=3DDEFAULT)) /LIBRARY=3DHPDEVCTL Lowercas= es8 /OWNER=3D[1,4] /PROCESSOR=3DUCX$TELNETSYM /NO_INITIAL_FF4 /PROTECTION=3D(S:M,O:D,G:R,W:S) /SCHEDULE=3D(NOSIZE)  	 Form name D                                        Number   ------   ------------ HKINV3 (stock=3DDEFAULT)                  101iH /LENGTH=3D50 /SETUP=3D(HKINVBOT) /STOCK=3DDEFAULT /TRUNCATE /WIDTH=3D132  G I have tried defining a new logical: ucx$telnetsym_suppress_formfeeds 1e> I have tried inserting <esc>]vms;2<esc>\ into the reset moduleH I have tried bracketing the existing PCL in the setup module with <esc>P and0 <esc>\ This is the setup:J <esc>P<esc>E<esc>&l2A<esc>&l5H<esc>&l1O<esc>&l51P<esc>&l1E<esc>&l60U<esc>= &l 5M/ 0F<esc>&l7.72C<esc>(8U<esc>(s0P<esc>(s12H<esc>\o  G Note: I have since taken out reference to the reset module. I have alsotJ included /default=3Dnofeed and /no_initial_ff in the queue settings. This=  J resulted in blank pages being preceded by an invoice, but the printer pul= ls8 from the plain paper tray, rather than using stationery.J I have also noted, that, with the current settings, if I print out a file= ,l 3rH times in quick succession, then only the first job is preceded by  blank page.sJ The printer itself does not appear to have any settings associated with t= heH blank pages, and the same thing happens on another printer as well. Both are 	 HP5000's.mD The spool files themselves do not have any formfeed or other control characters to throw a new page.?' I appreciate any input on this problem.n Thanks.o <n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:22:59 -0500c5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>r7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed., Message-ID: <8us3d8$36ee$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   Calling the kettle black?a  B andrew harrison wrote in message <3A116762.E4B08644@uk.sun.com>...  ? >Interesting, the inescapable conclusion you then have to reach > >is that Rob is in fact a marketeer and not technical. I don't) >know if this will please him or not !!!!  >e >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:25:28 GMT7+ From: Jordan Henderson <jordan@my-deja.com>e7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailedi) Message-ID: <8us73d$k4l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>I  * In article <3A102776.DDB0644E@uk.sun.com>,3   andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:e >U > [snip] >kB > Lets wait a year shall we and see what the list looks like then,C > incedentally waiting a year and then re-evaluationg the situation : > turns out to be good advice for all your pronouncements.  : Yes, good advice there.  Perhaps you should wait with your9 pronouncements as well.  Like, how you should have waitedM: before declaring the Sun cache problems "old news" back in8 December of 1999 and how the problem had been "found and rectified":*  ,   http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=560166016  > Oh dear... It looks as if waiting a year in this case wouldn't> have quite put this in the "old news" category.  Let's say you+ wait two years before posting anything. :-)    > 	 > Regards  > Andrew Harrison  > Enterprise IT Architect  >    -- -Jordan Hendersonm jordan@greenapple.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.5   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:21:58 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> # Subject: Re: System disk filling upf- Message-ID: <3A11F346.516189E2@earthlink.net>    Christoph Gartmann wrote:  > i > In article <3A107FB4.12BB3671@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:- > >Christoph Gartmann wrote:L > >> under OpenVMS 7.1-2 I noticed today that the system disk is filling up.M > >> I have diskquota enabled and today the ERRFMT process crashed because itm > >> had no disk quota. [snip] > >mI > >Quotas on the system disk are generally not recommended. The reason is * > >because of the experience you just had. > K > Guess what the experience would have been if the system disk actually hadnM > filled up? From time to time I discovered similar events because of a dying K > ERRFMT. Most system processes have EXQUOTA and continue to work and it isMN > up to ERRFMT to die. It does this very nicely be sending an e-mail to SYSTEMN > and writing to OPERATOR.LOG why it died and how to restart it. Then you have1 > still time and space left to solve the problem.s  A In my experience, the Audit Server does a fairly efficient job of F hanging the system when the system disk fills up. Not all systems have4 this running, however; the SysAdmin can turn it off.  H I'll try to find the reference - I believe it's in the system managementH documentation - where it says that diskquotas on the system disk are not recommended.   -- u David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 18:42:12 +0000n0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsa* Message-ID: <3A118784.2E01BB31@uk.sun.com>   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > ' > Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:  > P > > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza > >nS > > Where I live we have a big piece of paper with all the candidates names on themeT > > alongside (where appropriate) a graphic of their party logo, and I have to put aE > > big X in the corresponding box alongside. Then people count them.l > S > Well, you do get to fold the slip and put it in a big tin box via a small hole inr > theo; > top, and maybe sharpen the pencil if the lead has broken.  >  > > Seems to work... > V > Yup, and only if you can't read will there be any possibility of being misled by the >  > voting technology. > M > Tim, getting VERY bored of the US election fiasco. I mean, you people don'tw( > even have a standard voting procedure? >   = The really interesting thing about the whole recount issue isd< what happens if Bush wins by getting the recounts stopped in" Florida through the legal process.  = While from a Republican standpoint this might look like a bigr2 win I suspect that they will lose in the long run.  C Democracies only survive if the people can agree on the legitimacy ,E and fairness of the electorial process used to elect their govenors. 3E Ignoring the questions about the electorial college the fact is that rD if the count is stopped in Florida then a question will always hang D over the outcome of the election. Did the majority of the voters in = Florida actually vote for Bush or did the inadequacies of the 5 ballot and counting process hide a majority for Gore.e  : To a certain extent this would not matter so much if Bush 8 had got the majority of the popular vote, but recount or$ not he is unlikely to overtake Gore.  9 The BBC interviewed Robert Mugabe's campaign manager lastg7 week and he pointed out that if Zimbabwe had conducted r; their vote in the way that the US had then the UN observersD8 would have said that the election was not free and fair.  : The BBC reporter had rather reluctantly to agree with his  point.   Regardsm Andrew Harrisona Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:35:37 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>-' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections , Message-ID: <8us450$36o1$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  J My feeling is:  Do away with the electoral college.  If the vote is withinD 1% of the popular vote - allow a hand-to-hand deathmatch between theJ candidates.  I think Gore can take Bush with nothing but fists and knives,; but it would give a new meaning to a Jesse Ventura run  ;-)-   ;-)    ;-)    ;-)-  I But in reality, they could also release the electors from their bonds and " allow a faithless vote in Florida.  A David Mathog wrote in message <8uroff$44c@gap.cco.caltech.edu>...t >In articlegA <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FB5@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>,i  J >It would really impress me if either of the candidates had the brains andF >nerve to admit that the election was really a tie (in Florida and theG >electoral college) - and agreed to abide by the result of a coin flip.b >i   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2000 15:05:22 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: RE: Technology of US Electionsa+ Message-ID: <V0nQrovT1hI$@eisner.decus.org>-   In article <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FB8@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes:C > J > The manual count can be completely error free when counting valid ballotL > papers. Once agreement has been reached on what constitutes a valid ballot8 > paper they can be counted manually with 100% accuracy.  C There's the first problem.  What constitutes a valid valid ballot? sA Bush's spokesman now accuses one of the counties of changing this/ partway through the recount.  K > If banks can count money manually with 100% accuracy vote counters can dor > the same.<  G They can't and don't.  They do keep the error rate low.  They must keepaI it low enough to satisfy the customers and the government, and to keep ith from eating away thier profits.i  H > There's no need for a new "system", just apply the common sense one(s) > already available.  @ common sense,  n.:  that which the speaker holds to be perfectlyD obvious, based soley on his/her life experiences and not allowing of other's point of viewf  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationb= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group0E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2000 15:09:27 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: Technology of US ElectionsM+ Message-ID: <oGOpGCrzbNGm@eisner.decus.org>e  d In article <8us450$36o1$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: > K > But in reality, they could also release the electors from their bonds andn$ > allow a faithless vote in Florida. >   E Does Florida hold the electors to their vote?  One Republican electora' has already said she may vote for Gore.h  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 14 Nov 2000 20:42:49 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionsd5 Message-ID: <8us849$jl$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>e  d In article <8us450$36o1$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:K >My feeling is:  Do away with the electoral college.  If the vote is within E >1% of the popular vote - allow a hand-to-hand deathmatch between thewK >candidates.  I think Gore can take Bush with nothing but fists and knives,I< >but it would give a new meaning to a Jesse Ventura run  ;-)  0 But George W should be allowed to use a gun, no?  F More seriously -- I doubt *very* much that even Senator Elect Clinton F can get rid of the Electoral College.  It was envisioned as one of theK protections the smaller states have against dominance by the larger states.nL The logic of this may or may not apply today, but there are enough "smaller"E states that would protect there self interest so that the two thirds -L majority needed to ammend the constitutin to eliminate this will never pass.  H A more achievable goal would be to require the states to apportion theirF electoral votes in proportion to the popular vote in each state.  I.E.E the two votes representing the states two Senators would be awareded 3K based on the popular vote in the entire state, and the remaing votes based hD on the poplular votes in each of the states congressional districts.   --  K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAaF          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2000 15:43:14 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)t' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsm* Message-ID: <8us852$mnm$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <3A118784.2E01BB31@uk.sun.com>,2 andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >Tim Llewellyn wrote:c >> e( >> Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote: >> sQ >> > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  >> >T >> > Where I live we have a big piece of paper with all the candidates names on themU >> > alongside (where appropriate) a graphic of their party logo, and I have to put a.F >> > big X in the corresponding box alongside. Then people count them. >> eT >> Well, you do get to fold the slip and put it in a big tin box via a small hole in >> the< >> top, and maybe sharpen the pencil if the lead has broken. >> e >> > Seems to work...m >> gW >> Yup, and only if you can't read will there be any possibility of being misled by the  >> g >> voting technology.e >> aN >> Tim, getting VERY bored of the US election fiasco. I mean, you people don't) >> even have a standard voting procedure?t >> m >R> >The really interesting thing about the whole recount issue is= >what happens if Bush wins by getting the recounts stopped inm# >Florida through the legal process.  >'> >While from a Republican standpoint this might look like a big3 >win I suspect that they will lose in the long run.i >aD >Democracies only survive if the people can agree on the legitimacy F >and fairness of the electorial process used to elect their govenors. F >Ignoring the questions about the electorial college the fact is that E >if the count is stopped in Florida then a question will always hang nE >over the outcome of the election. Did the majority of the voters in  > >Florida actually vote for Bush or did the inadequacies of the6 >ballot and counting process hide a majority for Gore. >e; >To a certain extent this would not matter so much if Bush t9 >had got the majority of the popular vote, but recount orn% >not he is unlikely to overtake Gore.  >e: >The BBC interviewed Robert Mugabe's campaign manager last8 >week and he pointed out that if Zimbabwe had conducted < >their vote in the way that the US had then the UN observers9 >would have said that the election was not free and fair.m >S; >The BBC reporter had rather reluctantly to agree with his d >point.s >u  9 The important points that you, Robert Mugabe and the BBS  5 reporter are missing here is that recounts are being h; done only in areas where Gore has strong electoral support,E6 with a process that is without standards and is being % overseen by rabid Democrat partisans.p  7 As James Baker said, "machines are neither Democrat nore7 Republican".  The point being that a machine recount ofv< ballots that are designed to be machine read (not manually),  is the only reasonable standard.  ? When these facts are taken into consideration, the fairness of t3 the recount process takes on an entirely new light.k   >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.como   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:45:54 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>?' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionse, Message-ID: <3A11A47F.14AAFBD6@videotron.ca>   John Macallister wrote:hL > My reference to accuracy is not as a measure of voter intention but to theN > counting of the valid ballot papers. That can and ought to be 100% accurate.  . But what is the definition of a valid ballot ?  M There are obvious cases of an invalid ballot. A certain percentage will spoilsL their ballot (vote for two candidates etc). But what happens when the personI *intends* to case a valid vote, but the machine sees it as an invalid oneD- because the hole wasn't punched quite right ?   M The problem is truly in the user interface. You should validate a vote at the H time it is cast, and not once the voter has long gone home. If the voterL confirms he wants to send an invalid ballot, then so be it. But if the voterN intends to cast a proper ballot and the machine tells hims he's got a problem, then he can correct the error.   ------------------------------   Date: 14 Nov 2000 14:29:17 PSTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections<3 Message-ID: <S67LPCeJ68WP@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>h  - In article <8uroff$44c@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, D9     	mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:e [...]iK > It would really impress me if either of the candidates had the brains andeG > nerve to admit that the election was really a tie (in Florida and the,I > electoral college) - and agreed to abide by the result of a coin flip. s  H         Cute, but I think it misses the  point.  The election is not forH     the  benefit of the candidates, it is for the benefit of the voters.H     It is the voters who need to be satisfied that the  extent  of  mis-H     count,  ommission  or  fraud is small enough to be acceptable, i.e.,H     that they  didn't  vote  in  vain  or  have  their  votes thrown out-     arbitrarily (or _not_ so arbitrarily...).-  H         I really don't care  what  Gore  and  Bush  think.  I think it'sH     ludicrous,  let  alone presumptuous, for James Baker and/or  the  NYH     Times to say, "for the good of the nation"  the  recount  should  beH     ended!   Geez,  it's  not  about  what Al and Dubya want, it's aboutH     assuring the voters that those running the election process used dueH     diligence to get the  vote  as  close  to  correct as possible.  AndH     recent  polls seem to show that the electorate has a good deal  more3     patience in that respect than do the parties...-           -Ken -- 1M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu::  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:10:06 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionse, Message-ID: <3A11AA29.C7211606@videotron.ca>   Jordan Henderson wrote:y: > The important points that you, Robert Mugabe and the BBS6 > reporter are missing here is that recounts are being= > done only in areas where Gore has strong electoral support,/7 > with a process that is without standards and is beingn' > overseen by rabid Democrat partisans.e  N I thought that the media made it quite visible that there were representativesJ from both parties present at the manual recount, and that the cameras were/ allowed in to verify that the process was fair.n  M The initial recount was in fact very logical. The vote difference was below a-J certain threshold and it triggered an automatic recount. The problem, as IR understand it is that the automatic recount reduced the spread between the 2 guys.  J Yes, it is certaintly true that some of the manual recounts were requestedJ /pushed/fought by one party that had something to gain from it. Usually, aK winner is not likely to question the results. It should be no surprise thatd$ recounts are requested by the loser.  S The questions is whether the administrators of the recounts are proceeeding fairly.eD 	-do they have any estimate on how long a manual count should take ?C 	-how can they certify a vote when they are still accepting votes ?   J What bugs me most though is that a county would, under pressure of a 17:00I deadline, certify a count which they were previously unwilling to certifyeN because of the high error rate. If an organisation distrusts results enough toM warrant a manual count, how can they ethically certify that untrusted count ?t   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2000 15:09:26 -0800( From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionsf- Message-ID: <86d7fy1789.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>h  : John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes:   > 0 > > No one has come up with an error free system > J > The manual count can be completely error free when counting valid ballotL > papers. Once agreement has been reached on what constitutes a valid ballot9 > paper they can be counted manually with 100% accuracy. . > 4 > Take an example. Eleven votes cast in an election.$ > 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11.$ > Total votes counted. Accuracy 100%  C 	Alright, repeat for about 100 million votes (the amount of ballotso. casted this election, give or take a million).  F > While the accuracy may not be 100% first time round, with methodicalI > counting and more than one pass it's possible to achieve 100% accuracy. M > Rememeber that manual counting usually only involves counting small bundles0 > at a time.  3 	And remember we're talking about a large number of , bundles. Very, very large number of bundles.  = 	I think it'll be impossible to ever devise a 100% error free A polling system. Either paper ballots get miscounted, touch screen > systems crash, whatever. You can approach pretty close to 100%G accuracy, to the point of being statistically Just As Good as 100%. But > I doubt they'll ever count every single ballot with 0% errors.   -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 19:01:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections , Message-ID: <3A11C426.71396672@videotron.ca>   Javier Henderson wrote:tF >         I think it'll be impossible to ever devise a 100% error freeC > polling system. Either paper ballots get miscounted, touch screen @ > systems crash, whatever. You can approach pretty close to 100%I > accuracy, to the point of being statistically Just As Good as 100%. Butc@ > I doubt they'll ever count every single ballot with 0% errors.  N But if you architect the voting system properly, you should be able to PREVENT4 errors, and at the very least, detect system errors.  H If you look at VMS clustering, it is architected to allow you to setup aM system that puts data integrity very high up the list of requirements. If youiN look at serious transactional systems, they are designed to ensure transaction/ integrity and recovery in case of system crash.g  6 What is interesting though is the sheer size of votes:  J 100 million votes, cast over a period of 12 hours results in an average ofK 2315 transactions per second. ( with capacity needed to be higher to handleiE peak hours) Remember that those are "real" transactions, not some TPSo8 benchmarks designed as bird feed for marketing critters.  L Also, consider that many voting booths are setup in schools etc (at least inM Canada, I assume the same in the USA). So do you setup telecom infrastructureeI to carry votes "live" throughout the day, or do you store them locally (aaM couple of DS10s would do fine :-) during the day and do a batch transfer once @ the poll has closed ? If so, how do you transfer those batches ?  M For a nation the size of the USA, it means a hell of a lot of polling centres D to be outfitted and a large amount of telecom infrastructure needed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:00:38 -0500c0 From: Glenn and Mary Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionso' Message-ID: <3A11E036.3197144F@gce.com>   G Even way out of the way spots would be OK. There are only a few numberstF that really MUST be transported over wires: totals for each candidate.  L The authentication data of voters and detail records could be stored locallyF (and perhaps written locally to CD-R or DVD) given a reliable platformC VMS would be an excellent choice, due to its care with data and itsaI resistance to tampering. Trying to make ALL the data available nationally3B realtime would be easier if you figure too that an update of thoseJ numbers...maybe 50 integers per election?...could be sent to a distributorL site once a minute and it would be just fine. A world backplane interconnect is not needed.  K You'd want to store authentication info archivally if you got things right,-H so that it would be possible after the fact to tell that all voters wereH authenticated and none voted twice. Much stronger authentication than isG now used would be essential. It is of course an easy forms type problemFD to ensure that the right number of choices be accepted before a voteK is registered. Probably would be a decent thing to have "none of the above"e$ for every slot to handle the cranks.  & http://www.decus.org      VMS RULES!!!     JF Mezei wrote:a >  > Javier Henderson wrote:eH > >         I think it'll be impossible to ever devise a 100% error freeE > > polling system. Either paper ballots get miscounted, touch screenoB > > systems crash, whatever. You can approach pretty close to 100%K > > accuracy, to the point of being statistically Just As Good as 100%. ButeB > > I doubt they'll ever count every single ballot with 0% errors. > P > But if you architect the voting system properly, you should be able to PREVENT6 > errors, and at the very least, detect system errors. > J > If you look at VMS clustering, it is architected to allow you to setup aO > system that puts data integrity very high up the list of requirements. If yousP > look at serious transactional systems, they are designed to ensure transaction1 > integrity and recovery in case of system crash.- > 8 > What is interesting though is the sheer size of votes: > L > 100 million votes, cast over a period of 12 hours results in an average ofM > 2315 transactions per second. ( with capacity needed to be higher to handle-G > peak hours) Remember that those are "real" transactions, not some TPSo: > benchmarks designed as bird feed for marketing critters. > N > Also, consider that many voting booths are setup in schools etc (at least inO > Canada, I assume the same in the USA). So do you setup telecom infrastructureeK > to carry votes "live" throughout the day, or do you store them locally (adO > couple of DS10s would do fine :-) during the day and do a batch transfer oncesB > the poll has closed ? If so, how do you transfer those batches ? > O > For a nation the size of the USA, it means a hell of a lot of polling centres-F > to be outfitted and a large amount of telecom infrastructure needed.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:10:59 -0500 0 From: Glenn and Mary Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections ' Message-ID: <3A11E2A3.D57C5AB5@gce.com>a  > Let me clarify where the bias comes in. The recounts amount to@ sweeping the floor for votes that got lost in the usual process.; These are present everywhere and probably are split the way,@ the counted ones were. Given an even count, if I want to arrange> one side to win, I sweep the floor and add votes where the one= side had most of the vote and leave the rest alone. If I want = to be unbiased about getting all the votes including the poorh< floor sweeping ones, I sweep the floor in all the locations.  < Gore is of course sweeping the floor where the counted votes< went his way and is avoiding touching the floor where things went the other way.n  A The procedure is biased as hell due to the selection. Whether the > sweeping operation is careless or careful doesn't matter. What< matters is that it is done in selected areas. Watchers might@ keep the extra votes from being double counted, but the bias has@ been built in by selecting where to hunt for the extras. You getC rid of the bias either by fine-tooth-combing everywhere (and hopingeE to heck that the human selection biases introduced aren't too bad) or % by not doing the extra sweeps at all.   G Fraud, the dead voting, multiple voting, and so forth are another issueuC altogether. One of my friends remarked that it looks suspicious howtB several states that were about even in the polls wound up suddenlyB on election day with big Gore margins...places with big cities andC active machines. Was it all honest? Doubtful...but we probably willp never really know.     JF Mezei wrote:y >  > Jordan Henderson wrote:s< > > The important points that you, Robert Mugabe and the BBS8 > > reporter are missing here is that recounts are being? > > done only in areas where Gore has strong electoral support,c9 > > with a process that is without standards and is beingm) > > overseen by rabid Democrat partisans.k > P > I thought that the media made it quite visible that there were representativesL > from both parties present at the manual recount, and that the cameras were1 > allowed in to verify that the process was fair.e > O > The initial recount was in fact very logical. The vote difference was below asL > certain threshold and it triggered an automatic recount. The problem, as IT > understand it is that the automatic recount reduced the spread between the 2 guys. > L > Yes, it is certaintly true that some of the manual recounts were requestedL > /pushed/fought by one party that had something to gain from it. Usually, aM > winner is not likely to question the results. It should be no surprise that & > recounts are requested by the loser. > U > The questions is whether the administrators of the recounts are proceeeding fairly.SM >         -do they have any estimate on how long a manual count should take ?eL >         -how can they certify a vote when they are still accepting votes ? > L > What bugs me most though is that a county would, under pressure of a 17:00K > deadline, certify a count which they were previously unwilling to certifyoP > because of the high error rate. If an organisation distrusts results enough toO > warrant a manual count, how can they ethically certify that untrusted count ?e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:16:39 -0500b0 From: Glenn and Mary Everhart <Everhart@gce.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionse' Message-ID: <3A11E3F7.961E9D25@gce.com>m  E Only do this if all offices get to have the matches, local up, within C a 5% margin. (Bread & Circuses!) Let each town elect a harvest kingoE who can do the thumbs-up/thumbs-down thing (and he'd better behave or G he might get written in next time!). Also this is the 20th century (forrA a few more weeks anyway); let each have whatever weapon(s) he cantG construct. Keep good strong shields to protect the spectators. It'd gett. advantageous to be good with a machine shop... :-) ;-) 8-)h     Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > L > My feeling is:  Do away with the electoral college.  If the vote is withinF > 1% of the popular vote - allow a hand-to-hand deathmatch between theL > candidates.  I think Gore can take Bush with nothing but fists and knives,= > but it would give a new meaning to a Jesse Ventura run  ;-)  >  > ;-)    ;-)    ;-)E > K > But in reality, they could also release the electors from their bonds andr$ > allow a faithless vote in Florida. > C > David Mathog wrote in message <8uroff$44c@gap.cco.caltech.edu>...a
 > >In articletC > <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FB5@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>,s > L > >It would really impress me if either of the candidates had the brains andH > >nerve to admit that the election was really a tie (in Florida and theI > >electoral college) - and agreed to abide by the result of a coin flip.  > >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:48:42 -05000+ From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <nospam@please.com>m' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionsg, Message-ID: <8uspmb$42rv$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  H Dunno.  Most states either mandate it by law, and/or create penalties soK high that most people would not try.  That *wasn't* the intent of those whol devised it.a      Bob Koehler wrote in message ...? >In article <8us450$36o1$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"i% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:i >>L >> But in reality, they could also release the electors from their bonds and% >> allow a faithless vote in Florida.  >> > F >Does Florida hold the electors to their vote?  One Republican elector( >has already said she may vote for Gore. >uG >----------------------------------------------------------------------c@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation> >NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupF >                                | please remove ".aspm" when replying   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 21:02:46 -0500-+ From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <nospam@please.com>m' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionse, Message-ID: <8usqgn$43ug$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  / George gets a gun, but has to wear a blindfold.7  G The idea of a direct election has failed because we haven't proposed ane& entertaining alternative like this ;-)      Charlie Hammond wrote in message, <8us849$jl$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>... >a? >In article <8us450$36o1$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge"w% <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes: L >>My feeling is:  Do away with the electoral college.  If the vote is withinF >>1% of the popular vote - allow a hand-to-hand deathmatch between theL >>candidates.  I think Gore can take Bush with nothing but fists and knives,= >>but it would give a new meaning to a Jesse Ventura run  ;-)  >-1 >But George W should be allowed to use a gun, no?t >eF >More seriously -- I doubt *very* much that even Senator Elect ClintonG >can get rid of the Electoral College.  It was envisioned as one of the L >protections the smaller states have against dominance by the larger states.C >The logic of this may or may not apply today, but there are enough 	 "smaller"sE >states that would protect there self interest so that the two thirds G >majority needed to ammend the constitutin to eliminate this will neverg pass.t > I >A more achievable goal would be to require the states to apportion their G >electoral votes in proportion to the popular vote in each state.  I.E. E >the two votes representing the states two Senators would be awarededsK >based on the popular vote in the entire state, and the remaing votes based E >on the poplular votes in each of the states congressional districts.H >  >--SL >    Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USAG >         (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)-K >      All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.  >'   ------------------------------    Date: 14 Nov 2000 22:17:39 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)t' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsl* Message-ID: <8usv8j$kgk$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <3A11AA29.C7211606@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:S >Jordan Henderson wrote:; >> The important points that you, Robert Mugabe and the BBSr7 >> reporter are missing here is that recounts are beings> >> done only in areas where Gore has strong electoral support,8 >> with a process that is without standards and is being( >> overseen by rabid Democrat partisans. > O >I thought that the media made it quite visible that there were representativeseK >from both parties present at the manual recount, and that the cameras werec0 >allowed in to verify that the process was fair. >l  I In Palm Beach county, they changed the "official" policy for judging the tO ballots during the process.  In no other county is there even a written policy r for the judging of the ballots.u  H The representatives from both parties can't possibly be expected to lookH at each and every ballot, while many of those actually doing the manual  reviews are party faithful.d  H There is a statistician from the University of Nevada, Las Vegas who hasJ published an analysis of the "found" votes in Palm Beach County and notes H that they are many times in favor of Al Gore over George Bush from what M you would expect when extrapolating from the rest of the votes in Palm Beach.c  N >The initial recount was in fact very logical. The vote difference was below aK >certain threshold and it triggered an automatic recount. The problem, as IiS >understand it is that the automatic recount reduced the spread between the 2 guys.r >yK >Yes, it is certaintly true that some of the manual recounts were requested0K >/pushed/fought by one party that had something to gain from it. Usually, anL >winner is not likely to question the results. It should be no surprise that% >recounts are requested by the loser.. >u  C Don't you see that it's essentially unfair to only recount in these C highly Democratic counties?  To continue this recount way past the a( statutory deadline (more on this below)?  E In case you need any more evidence that the Gore camp is uninteresteduE in "fairness", they are going to court to get all cards that have any  visible dimple as a vote.   T >The questions is whether the administrators of the recounts are proceeeding fairly.E >	-do they have any estimate on how long a manual count should take ?eD >	-how can they certify a vote when they are still accepting votes ? >oK >What bugs me most though is that a county would, under pressure of a 17:00eJ >deadline, certify a count which they were previously unwilling to certifyO >because of the high error rate. If an organisation distrusts results enough to N >warrant a manual count, how can they ethically certify that untrusted count ?  D The 1-week, 17:00 deadline is a statutory deadline that has been in F effect for years.  The Secretary of State of Florida who is enforcing J this deadline is performing her duty, under the law.  The reason for this G deadline is to force the counties to get their work done quickly so as lD to avoid the opportunity for mischief or mishandling of the ballots.  F The only manual recount that could be trusted is one that can be done C quickly, where people aren't constantly meeting to determine their 2H "standards", where there aren't constant legal questions.  This requires" a short time frame for completion.  H The counties are not required under law to provide manual recounts.  OneH fairly large county proved that they could complete their recount withinK the statutory timeframe.  Some say it's more difficult with the technology  G used in the larger counties, along with the increased numbers to count fJ in those counties, so as to make the deadline an unfair burden.  However, G the counties choose the technology used and should be prepared to staffc2 any recount that they grant to meet the deadlines.  @ Also, there is a valid question, recognized by 2 of the 4 countyA canvassing boards (Miami-Dade & Broward) that the request for thenA manual recounts is invalid under law.  The law can be interpretedcE as only allowing manual recounts in cases where a systemic tabulation G error (mechanical, software, etc.) has been shown.  Four recounts were 3K initially requested - Volusia, Palm Beach, Miami-Dade and Broward, Volusia eF completed inside the deadline, Palm Beach hasn't even _started_ their C recount and both Miami-Dade and Broward determined that there is nodB _no need_ for a manual recount under the law.  Both Miami-Dade andC Broward Canvassing Boards are Democrat dominated, but they saw thatu/ this recount was actually a fishing expedition.    -Jordan Hendersonl jordan@greenapple.comS   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 00:41:01 -0400l- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>b' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsU, Message-ID: <3A1213D9.8BCD2E44@videotron.ca>  K When Clinton had his 2 erections, did the republicans make any complains in-9 any counties, requesting a recount ? Or is this a first ?3   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Nov 2000 00:07 CSTc' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)g' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionsn- Message-ID: <15NOV200000072430@gerg.tamu.edu>e  0 koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes...e }In article <8us450$36o1$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:b }> rL }> But in reality, they could also release the electors from their bonds and% }> allow a faithless vote in Florida.  }> o } F }Does Florida hold the electors to their vote?  One Republican elector( }has already said she may vote for Gore.  D With a quick look at the Florida constitution, each elector takes anD oath that requires them to vote as pledged. On the other hand, it isF not clear what happens if they don't. They can be removed as electors,H but it does not say that the vote is nullified (it also doesn't say whatE punishment there is, other than being removed as an elector - this ish= probably covered by law other than the Florida constitution).r   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:17:49 -0500s1 From: "Tommy Noble" <tommydotnoble@vistacomp.com>c= Subject: Re: Tracking IO - unsupported DCL/debugging feature? % Message-ID: <s5hQ5.69$P67.667@client>a  = Found it here: http://www.ttinet.com/tti/secrets_file_io.htmlo    SET WATCH/CLASS=<class> <object>  # <class> can be (among some others):  ALL  MAJOR  NONE  ! <object> can be (I believe only):1 FILE   So that if you say:y   $ SET WATCH/CLASS=ALL FILE  I and then do a directory listing, for instance, you get a very big mess ontG the screen.  I am looking to find out what files a program is trying toA access, and this will tell me.   $ SET WATCH/CLASS=NONE FILEl  I turns it off.  Set up symbols in your login.com to do this easily (and tolD document the use of the command in case you lose everything else...)  J Check SYS$UPDATE:SET.CLD and search for "watch_" to find the other optionsK (at least the ones DECompaq wants us to know about) that are available from  the command line.    Tommyo" (Solving my own problems again...)  : Tommy Noble <tommydotnoble@vistacomp.com> wrote in message news:RudQ5.19$P67.268@client... E > I've been away from VMS for a bit and cannot recall the syntax of aiK > debugging 'trick' I used to use.  Turning this on would allow me to run atJ > program and see everything a program was doing, including (maybe limited to,uH > but I don't think so) positioning, reading & writing to RMS files.  It wouldgG > be tricky sometimes to catch all the details, so much information wasv > screaming by on the screen.l >tK > Can someone remind me of the command?  I've totally blanked out on it.  IcH > think it was officially unsupported, but I have to think it's probably stillh" > out there.  It was too useful... >  > TIA  > - > ------------------------------------------- 
 > Tommy Nobleo > VISTA Computer Servicesn > tommy.noble at vistacomp.com >a >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:05:19 -0500 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: Wildfire GS160-K Message-ID: <3D35AD137AAAD411A6BA0008C7B1B12D05BAE0@MBCALBEXC03.BENDER.COM>r   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: halkuff@my-deja.com [mailto:halkuff@my-deja.com]) > Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 9:05 PMb > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.como > Subject: Wildfire GS160f >  > F > We are looking at a GS160 with four QBBs.. Two for TRU64 and two forC > OpenVMS... We intend to partition the two OpenVMS QBBs with eightt& > processors as one Galaxy instance... .s .p .eB > Is anyone running a GS160 at ths time?  Impressions with Galaxy? >  > Kuff@Tessco.ComI  nE I have a GS160 Model 16 running OpenVMS 7.2-1H1 with assorted patchesoF (UPDATE, volume shadowing, RMS, MOUNT96, LOADSS, etc) as a single SMP > machine, but with GALAXY set to 1.  The next stage of a large B project that I have is something similar to what you are doing or  wanting to do.  B So I am not doing yet, what you want or are doing now.  I am only D running the GALAXY code on the hardware, not making use of it.  But  thus far, things are great!    :) jck   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 22:05:10 GMTb From: kparris@my-deja.comt Subject: Re: Wildfire GS160t) Message-ID: <8uscuh$pfr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i   halkuff@my-deja.com wrote:F > We are looking at a GS160 with four QBBs.. Two for TRU64 and two forC > OpenVMS... We intend to partition the two OpenVMS QBBs with eightp& > processors as one Galaxy instance... > < > There will be two clusters: (Initial CPU Allocation shown)- >         Node OESA                    2 CPUst- >              OESB                    2 CPUsh, >              OESC                    1 CPU >c- >         Node WMSA                    2 CPUst, >              WMSB                    1 CPU  F Were you intending to have these 5 nodes all from the same GS-160?  IfG so, please note that there is only one console port per QBB, so you can < have at most 4 partitions within a GS-160, or 8 in a GS-320.  B > Is anyone running a GS160 at ths time?  Impressions with Galaxy?  G I've been running a pair of GS160s for about 4 months now.  ReliabilityhD of the GS160s has been exceptional.  I have three 4-CPU QBBs in eachC GS160, booted as 3 VMS nodes in a Galaxy configuration with logical A partitions along QBB boundaries, all 3 logical partitions running G inside 1 hard partition, communicating via shared memory (SMCI).  Workss great!G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospameF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 12:49:07 +0800r4 From: Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>> Subject: [Fwd: More on write-back caching] - the mount command+ Message-ID: <3A1215C3.AFA3A1B2@bigpond.com>a   Dave Sneddon - bigpond wrote:n >  > Hi Folks,  > E > I have an AlphaServer 1000 4/233 running VMS 7.1, with a Mylex RAIDw
 > controller.iA > There are 5 disks, each is configured as a JBOD and the cachingt0 > policy defined for each disk is write-through.D > When the disks are mounted, DRA0 (the system disk) shows as havingD > write-through caching enabled, the other four disks show as having > write-back caching enabled. G > Can anyone offer an explanation for this apparent discrepancy (and if-" > so please share it with me :-) ?  E Just for completeness, here is the MOUNT command used on ALL disks...u  ? $ mount/system/cluster/noassist/windows=32/nounload/norebuild -D 	<device> <label>y   -- s Regards, Dave.eI -------------------------------------------------------------------------LI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comiI DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmhI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennonv   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.638 ************************