1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 18 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 644       Contents: "It was 142 years ago today..." # Re: "It was 142 years ago today..." , Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!!, Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!!! Re: DEC 40 years commemoration CD 9 FA: Digital DEC LK-201 Keyboard for VT340 etc. NO RESERVE 0 FA: Digital DEC RGB Monitor Video/keyboard Cable9 Re: Forcasting the Tropical Year - the Laskar expression?  Re: foreign language class- Re: Freeware Submission Deadline (take II)...  Freeware Submission Deadline... 3 Re: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 6520  Re: more foreign language class  Re: Printing Problem Re: Questions about LN204 Re: Removing trailing spaces from a 1700 byte record	 Re: RWAST 	 Re: RWAST 	 Re: RWAST . Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US elections+ Re: Technology of US elections - PSEPHOLOGY  TL891 Tape library vs TZ887  Re: TL891 Tape library vs TZ887 7 UCX mounting of VMS subdirectory as primary mount point 6 Wanted: Mounting cartridges for Xyratex R9000 RAID box: Re: Wanted: Mounting cartridges for Xyratex R9000 RAID box) Wanted: Slides for Jensen internal drives . X25 server side programming..(Urgent Question)2 Re: X25 server side programming..(Urgent Question)2 Re: X25 server side programming..(Urgent Question) Re: You Are So Right) Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:41:21 GMT ! From: Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com> ( Subject: "It was 142 years ago today...") Message-ID: <8v455f$561$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Fatz Couldn't resist it.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:18:09 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>, Subject: Re: "It was 142 years ago today..."> Message-ID: <hshubs-09068A.22180917112000@news.mindspring.com>  L In article <8v455f$561$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com> wrote:   >Couldn't resist it.   Wish I'd noticed it. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 02:16:03 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>5 Subject: Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!! ' Message-ID: <G477Mr.Kt6@spcuna.spc.edu>   7 Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes: = > If he offered them free, I guess it would be having to open $ > the front door to bring them in...  G   While I've killfiled them due to prior advertising practices, I think E you're right about not being able to please some of the people any of F the time - I remember something about someone thinking a vendor givingF away older systems was a scam to get FedEx numbers, due to a mix-up on" the posted contact phone number...  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:57:20 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 5 Subject: Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!! - Message-ID: <3A15FE20.B78CB2A0@earthlink.net>    Terry Kennedy wrote: > 9 > Paul Repacholi <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> writes: ? > > If he offered them free, I guess it would be having to open & > > the front door to bring them in... > I >   While I've killfiled them due to prior advertising practices, I think G > you're right about not being able to please some of the people any of  > the time [snip]   E Well, actually yes - you can please (at least this person) - you just @ have to be willing to break through your own self-made barriers.  0 I'm reminded of a line from the movie "Volcano":  H Tommy Lee Jones's character "Mike Rourke" is faced with two young femaleE geologists after an unusual occurance in a downtown Los Angeles park. G When presented with the prospect of "magma" under the streets of LA, he G asks one scientist, "Do we have a history of that here?" in response to D which the other scientist cites some related anecdotes then remarks,F "There's never a history of anything until it happens, then there is".  F VMS-capable hardware at less than $500 U.S. is not a question of "if",H it's a question of when. The first one with enough brass in his balls toD make it happen will become the next Bill Gates - or at least a close competitor.   B Your mission, Jim, should you decide to accept it, is to make that1 happen before I do, or before someone else does.    : Many will try. Most will fail, stifled by their own greed.   How will it be with you?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:52:38 -0600 , From: "Tony Scandora" <scandora@cmt.anl.gov>* Subject: Re: DEC 40 years commemoration CD+ Message-ID: <8v4cr3$4d5$1@milo.mcs.anl.gov>   K There was a PDP-11 UNIX called something like V7M/11 for Version 7 Modified G for the PDP-11.  I once possessed the manual, but I never had a tape or 
 installed it.   1 Tony Scandora, Argonne National Lab, 630-252-7541  scandora@cmt.anl.gov  B "Paul Repacholi" <prep@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au> wrote in message1 news:rjqem0bxe99.fsf@morwong.ucc.gu.uwa.edu.au... ) > hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> writes:  >  > > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > > > I > > > Err, who can remember the most names under which DEC/Digital/Compaq  sold- > > > a unix operating system?  :-)  :-)  :-) J > > Ultrix, OSF/1, TruUnix, DUNIX, VMS, Ultrix32, POSIX, and I think there > > was one more...  > A > Oh dear... And Unix, yes, you could get the real thing from DEC ? > if you already had AT&Ted up. For a very short time at least. F > And, Ultrix-11, aka Ultrix. So as not to be confused with Ultrix-32. >  > --> > Paul Repacholi                               1 Crescent Rd.,9 > +61 (08) 9257-1001                           Kalamunda. B >                                              West Australia 60760 > Raw, Cooked or Well-done, it's all half baked.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 05:59:11 GMT - From: "Compusync" <hsappleton@sprintmail.com> B Subject: FA: Digital DEC LK-201 Keyboard for VT340 etc. NO RESERVED Message-ID: <PUoR5.3187$xd3.269638@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  @ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=499411080E Auction Ends on:                 Friday, Nov 24, 2000 at 18:36:47 PST    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 05:39:18 GMT - From: "Compusync" <hsappleton@sprintmail.com> 9 Subject: FA: Digital DEC RGB Monitor Video/keyboard Cable D Message-ID: <aCoR5.3120$xd3.266422@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  @ http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=499438801E Auction Ends on:                 Friday, Nov 24, 2000 at 18:54:41 PST    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:36:28 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> B Subject: Re: Forcasting the Tropical Year - the Laskar expression?( Message-ID: <3A1588B2.290319A5@ohio.edu>  H Right-hand rules favor us lefties, because we can write while contorting and examining our right hands!  +                                         RDP      David Chase wrote:  @ > Correction, noted by sms@anti_no_spam_or_underscores_node.org: >  > David Chase wrote: > C > > In the future, we will construct large mountain reservoirs near 9 > > the equator to increase the Earth's angular momentum. 8 >                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^. >     moment of inertia, not angular momentum. > E > I haven't been this embarrassed since I applied the right-hand rule  > using two hands to save time.  > 
 > David Chase    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Nov 2000 16:55:12 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)# Subject: Re: foreign language class + Message-ID: <8xCG4wE4qD56@eisner.decus.org>   \ In article <8v3e26$rp2$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:  D > Gthe is a good example, actually.  Go to www.m-w.com and see whatM > they show for the pronounciation of Goethe.  There are two pronounciations, J > one where the first vowel (oe) is the a in abut and one where it's OE as	 > in Joe.   K Don't know how you pronounce it, but to me the a in abut (close to uh-but)   is nothing like the a in kale.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Nov 2000 19:11:07 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: Freeware Submission Deadline (take II)...6 Message-ID: <8v3vsb$bp3$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  k In article <8v3vom$bp3$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:        Make that: January 8, 2001.     H :  Do you have or know of an interesting or useful tool for OpenVMS, or H :  do you know of a new version of an existing tool?  Do you have codingK :  examples?  Have you considered submitting these to the OpenVMS Freeware?  : K :  (Or, if you are not the tool's maintainer, passing along information on  J :  the existance of the update -- so that the version on the Freeware can  :  be updated?)  : E :  Updated submission deadline for the next (V5.0) OpenVMS Freeware:   :  :    January 8, 2000 : 3 :  Freeware submission information is available at:  : A :    http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/cd_guide.html  : G :  It appears that an updated version of the Freeware (V5.1?) will also : :  be distributed with the OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-6C1 release. ..  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Nov 2000 19:09:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Freeware Submission Deadline...6 Message-ID: <8v3vom$bp3$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G   Do you have or know of an interesting or useful tool for OpenVMS, or  G   do you know of a new version of an existing tool?  Do you have coding J   examples?  Have you considered submitting these to the OpenVMS Freeware?  J   (Or, if you are not the tool's maintainer, passing along information on I   the existance of the update -- so that the version on the Freeware can     be updated?)  D   Updated submission deadline for the next (V5.0) OpenVMS Freeware:        January 8, 2000   2   Freeware submission information is available at:  @     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/freeware/cd_guide.html  F   It appears that an updated version of the Freeware (V5.1?) will also9   be distributed with the OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-6C1 release.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:36:30 GMT  From: chucknichols@my-deja.com< Subject: Re: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 6520) Message-ID: <8v41bu$1ke$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   & Thanks to all that replied to my post.  F To close this off, I had several replies advising me to check the diskG system. It turned out that the KZPAC RAID controller has the capability = of caching writes. The manual states if you select WRITE BACK E caching "you may increase the I/O performance". After selecting WRITE E BACK caching my links take about 45 sec. instead of 12 minutes. Not a  bad improvement!!!!     ) In article <8t4dnm$c95$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, !   chucknichols@my-deja.com wrote: + > In article <39F00DE0.16B30089@gtech.com>, B >   Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:# > > chucknichols@my-deja.com wrote: F > > > We are in the process of converting a real-time application from VAX E > > > VMS 5.5-2 to Alpha openVMS 7.2. We have purchased dual CPU DS20  > AlphasF > > > with 1GB memory and two 9 GB disks mirrored for the system disk, > three : > > > 9 GB disks RAIDed to give 18GB for application disk. > > > F > > > Linking programs takes much longer on the Alpha, for example oneH > > > program takes about 3 minutes to link on our VAX 6520 (128 Kb) but > it* > > > takes 12 - 13 minutes on the DS20!!! > > > G > > > As part of the conversion we borrowed a model 800 (400 Mhz) Alpha  > VMS ? > > > 7.1 and I did not get complaints about the linking times.  > Unfortunately D > > > we did not actually check the times but all the users feel the	 > linking " > > > performance was good on 800. > > > F > > > Is there any basic tuning required for an out of the box VMS 7.2G > > > system. I have checked the linking performance when I am the only  > user > > > and it is still bad. > > ) > > Linking is a very IO heavy operation.  > > > > > First thing to check is disk fragmentation. I have seen x6 performance / > > increases of linking after defragmentation.  > >  > > Arne > >   > Thank you for the information. > A > I defrag'd the disk and got some improvement but not much. I am F > wondering if the RAIDed disks are slowing down the IO. My theory was. > that new disks would be much faster that oldC > ones and that even if there was a penalty for RAIDing it would be  > balanced by the faster speed.  >  > Chuck  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 06:38:52 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>( Subject: Re: more foreign language class+ Message-ID: <VA.0000017e.0c4f98cd@sture.ch>   N In article <3a1556b4.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>, Martin Vorlaender  wrote:4 > From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms * > Subject: Re: more foreign language class' > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:03:00 +0100  > / > Bob Koehler (koehler@eisner.decus.org) wrote: L > : Does Koehler in Geman have all the same meaning variations as collier inL > : English (below from www.m-w.com)?  An etymology I've seen traced Koehler+ > : to one who lives near a hole or cave.    > % > I've never heard of such a meaning.  > * > :                   Main Entry: collier- > :                   Pronunciation: 'kl-y&r $ > :                   Function: nounE > :                   Etymology: Middle English colier, from col coal ( > :                   Date: 13th century4 > :                   1 : one that produces charcoal& > :                   2 : a coal miner7 > :                   3 : a ship for transporting coal   > * Interesting. I knew #2 and #3, but not #1.  4 > My (german) etymology book says it's #1 in German: > @ > K"ohler <m.3> = Kohlenbrenner [< mhd. koler, k"oler; zu Kohle] > , My Cassel's German - English dictionary has:  ? K"ohler - charcoal burner, -ei charcoal-burning; charcoal kiln.    > Another entry: > N > K"ohler <m.3> blauschwarzer Meeresfisch, dessen ger"auchertes od. gebratenesD > Fleisch als "Seelachs" gehandelt wird; Pollachius virens [zu Kohl] > H > In other words: some fish (whose name is stemming from the german word > for cabbage).	 >uJ A blue-black fish. Maybe the association is to do with colour rather than ! cabbage? Again my dictionary has:e   Kohl, m ... cabbages! Kohl-e, f, charcoal; carbon; coalp  D The difference in gender reinforces the idea of 2 distinct meanings.  I > But I would believe as a surname it's stemming from the charcoal-makersiN > (there are still some here in the Harz mountains - as a tourist attraction). >  That's my guess too. ___s
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:09:09 -0500m0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: Printing ProblemgC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-AC1143.14090917112000@news.compaq.com>   E In article <8v3srr$te2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mukh_sue@my-deja.com wrote:B  E > We use several LN17 postscript laser printers connect to our Alpha tF > server (OpenVMS 7.2) We need to set up 6 CPI for printing a special E > form (it is set at 10 CPI). When we are trying it from the menu of oE > the printer, it is showing 6 CPI, but printing 10 CPI. We switched  D > the printer off and found out after rebooting that it is set at 6 ? > CPI. I think OpenVMS software (maybe DCPS) is overriding the oD > hardware set-up. Any idea? I want to do this just temporarily and # > then go back to original setting.a  G I believe the LN17 pitch settings are for PCL.  If you are using DCPS, nE your text file is being converted to PostScript and the PCL settings   have no effect.e  I You need to add ANSI escape sequences to your job to adjust the pitch of  C text jobs printed with DCPS.  This is most easily done by adding a aF device control module with the sequences.  Then you can use /SETUP or B create a form which can be referenced by a PRINT /FORM command or  associated with a queue.   Paul   -- -,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 14:28:05 -050080 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>! Subject: Re: Questions about LN20pC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-5CAEAA.14280517112000@news.compaq.com>   F In article <200011170747.IAA07731@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert  <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote:  B > Yesterday I did login me into the LN20 via TELNET. I did play a G > little bit and write the admin command during a job was printed. The aF > result was fatal. The printer did go offline. After setting online, B > I did see the consol message "waiting for end of job". No other G > action was possible. The TELNET session was blocked. So I would like eF > to ask: "Is it possible to prevent the printer to be set to offline  > during print?"  F The intended behavior is that starting an ADMIN session via Telnet is G the same as setting the printer OFFLINE on the printer's front panel.  fC If no job is printing, the printer goes offline and administrative nI functions can be performed.  If a job is printing, the printer will wait r/ until the job is finished before going offline.t  A If you try to start a Telnet ADMIN session, you are told to type e" "ONLINE" to continue your session.  G Is this not what happened for you?  All of this is to prevent multiple aE changes to the printer configuration at the same time and to prevent   interruption of user jobs.   Paul   -- r,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:54:46 -0500i  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>= Subject: Re: Removing trailing spaces from a 1700 byte recorde- Message-ID: <1001117153409.342A@Ives.egh.com>a  % On Fri, 17 Nov 2000, Jim Agnew wrote:.  $ > i stand in awe......  ingenious...  C Thank you, but like most ingenious solutions, it's also useless ;-)m  B Because you probably need to run the output file through an editor# again to fix up the DIFF artifacts.t    Some things I've noticed so far:C 1) it needs a /NONUMBER or you get line numbers in the output file.p; 2) it needs a /WIDTH=1700 or long lines will get truncated.tG 3) /SEPARATED=MASTER will eliminate the empty "NL:" part of the output,oD but you still get the "**********" separators and the summary at the end.  H Of course, you could read the file with DCL and throw away the "****..."B lines and the summary, except that it probably still has lines tooF long for DCL!  (Unless all the lines in the original file had at leastA 677 spaces at the end so the lines are now all shorter than 1024 l characters.)  C As a TECO user, I really would use Larry's method, especially sincetD I recently learned "^ES" is a search pattern match for any amount ofG white space.  (This would also match trailing tabs, if that's an issue,a) but so does DIFF/IGNORE=TRAILING_SPACES.)o  C I try to learn one new TECO command or structure every year, and toi; eat one new vegatable.  This year, it was ^ES and parsnips.p   > John Santos wrote: > > * > > On 16 Nov 2000, Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > d > > > In article <3A13A49B.5926.550D713@localhost>, 'o-Dzin Tridral <TridralO@Cardiff.ac.uk> writes:S > > > > A colleague needs to remove trailing spaced from a fixed-length record fil=:
 > > > > e,S > > > > where the records are all 1700 bytes.  I usually attack these things with =i
 > > > > a bittP > > > > of DCL to read and write the file, but of course 1700 bytes is too much. > > > >eK > > > > Is there a simple way to remove the training spaces from this file?s > > >d" > > >       $ EDIT/TECO <filespec> > > >       <fn^Es
 > > >       $  > > >       $;>ex$$c > > > J > > > You might have to reset the file characteristics on the new version. > > I > > Of course!  Another method, but you might have to edit off the changel> > > separaters (row of *****) and summary at the end, would be > > 9 > > $ diff/ignore=trailing/out=outfile.txt infile.txt nl:o > >  > > Pure DCL :-) > >  > > -- > > John Santoso  > > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >  >    -- n John Santoss Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:55:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>u Subject: Re: RWAST, Message-ID: <3A15A942.13B7C28A@videotron.ca>   Warren Spencer wrote:lI > Well, that's up to the application code.  A $QIOW would halt processingaM > until a resource wait is resolved, while a $QIO might not (I think it wouldo > depend on the resource).  G Is it correct to state that a QIOW is simply a combination of a QIO and 0 $WAITFR (or other wait for event flag service) ?  E Also, when I do a STOP/ID of a process, what makes an outstanding AST0J cancellable, allowing the process to be stopped, versus an outstanding ASTD that will cause the process to go RWAST when the STOP/ID is issued ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 17:21:47 -0600o/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>o Subject: Re: RWASTO Message-ID: <E320F36C14333378.D089480B246C1D9E.5B9FB2B53668D0E7@lp.airnews.net>P   JF Mezei wrote:8 >  > Warren Spencer wrote:.K > > Well, that's up to the application code.  A $QIOW would halt processingtO > > until a resource wait is resolved, while a $QIO might not (I think it would- > > depend on the resource). > I > Is it correct to state that a QIOW is simply a combination of a QIO andu2 > $WAITFR (or other wait for event flag service) ?  ( AFAIK: $QIOW is $QIO followed by $SYNCH.  G > Also, when I do a STOP/ID of a process, what makes an outstanding ASTVL > cancellable, allowing the process to be stopped, versus an outstanding ASTF > that will cause the process to go RWAST when the STOP/ID is issued ?  G Generally, RWAST is caused by a device driver that is waiting on an AST:H so that it can release a resource.  Usually, such an AST is initiated byF a device interrupt.  This happens when trying to cancel the I/O during process rundown.  G The intent of this is to avoid a system crash caused by a device driver 0 trying to access memory that is no longer there.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------s$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com s   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 19:47:03 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  Subject: Re: RWAST, Message-ID: <3A15C366.CF1AD09B@videotron.ca>   Chris Scheers wrote:I > Generally, RWAST is caused by a device driver that is waiting on an AST=% > so that it can release a resource. c  K Is it more correct to state that the device driver is waiting to deliver an " AST instead of waiting on an AST ?  M I understand the situation where you have a QIO on a TK50 which takes 2 hours L to complete :-). If you stop the process during that time, the device driverL won't cancel the IO and will insist on completing the IO and deliver the ASTK it was asked to deliver upon completion. And If you allow the process to beaL killed, when the device driver branches to the address where the AST used to live, all bets are off.t  F But are there other situations where a process enters an RWAST state ?  N Is RWAST possible only when a device driver is incapable of cancelling an IO ?E What are the other possible situations where a process enters RWAST ?i   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 03:51:14 GMTk  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed 8 Message-ID: <goub1tgiqeuodv2q3i0lq5ucn6htii6ocg@4ax.com>  A Heck, I'm pretty sure Andrew was posting in here when I was still D working at my first employer.  That would put it back to 1995 or so,F possibly earlier than that.  Now, I could be mis-remembering, but I doF know that his drudge has been festering in this group for quite a long time.n  # Andrew, do you remember Carl Lydic?$    1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq3- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:02:21 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughero8 Message-ID: <of9b1tc0oj5h1k0eha8kp9fdfaf543qcj2@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:45:14 +0000, andrew harrisonu! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:a  
 >jlsue wrote:  >> u6 >> On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:04:17 +0000, andrew harrison$ >> <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >> o   >> >> E >> >That would be fine if the whole of the replication server processoC >> >ran on UNIX (or VMS) it however does not, part of it runs on NT8) >> >making it too complicated to migrate.i >> >F >> >This will change as Seibel have ported the whole of Seibel to UNIXF >> >but my customer does not have that version which was not available$ >> >when they rolled out the system. >> hH >> Then WHAT THE HELL was your point in bringing it up?!!!  The point ofH >> the conversation you were responding to (from me, anyway) was whetherE >> the capabilities of VMSclusters were really what Compaq folks were-H >> saying.  In response, I put forth proof that it can be done, as KerryA >> has been trying to get through your thick skull, and gave some.5 >> information as to the environments (e.g., telnet).> >>   >yE >Excuse me, my point which you disagree with but others don't is thatoD >there are long running processes that unlike users cannot easily be/ >logged out and moved from one node to another.   B Hey, Andrew, I've adequately demonstrated that I've SUPPORTED suchC environemnts, and that I've managed/used VMSclusters to prevent the @ appearance of any application availability problems.  These WEREA long-running processes, and most were Telnet.  However, there are D certain business architecture issues that must be addressed in *any*E environment, and one certainly is the correctness of how long-running E processes are implemented.  In a Telnet process, the understanding is B that most of the users will not be at their desks 24x365, and theyD typically need to logoff when not there as a security measure.  ThisA is a basic truth in most environments of this sort.  I've managedaC many, many systems from one VMS-based workstation via Telnet and/or0F DECterm (xterm).  Sure, if I took a system down, that terminal windowsE would need to be re-connected... so what?  I'm the admin, I should be.C technical enough to handle that.  And anyway, it's only ONE system.   B There was one example given of someone who used the VMScluster forC their x-windows sessions for programming.  That example had lost ofiF open windows.  Oops.  I sincerely doubt you'll ever be able to do much@ to help such a situation, with any technology.  However, if they= believe that VMScluster is the proper solution, then the workaE environment and processes need to be developed to minimize the affecth? on these people.  Note, however, that these people are a *very*tF special case, and as sad as it may seem, their work issues surrounding; this are not typically the main concern for the enterprise.   D Lastly, there are long-running batch jobs.  Now, as I have explainedE in plain English, there are well-proven methods to eliminate the main B problems with these jobs.  Any one that has not been designed withE checkpoint/restart capabilities was developed by someone who's either.= blind, deaf, or just a hack; since these techniques have been,( available and know for many, many years.   >iA >I fully agree that it can be done, thats not in question but it 1A >can only be done with the right app and in the right environmente/ >something that Kerry has reluctantly admitted.   F And as I've explained to you many, many times, the "right" environmentD probably covers 90-95% of the computing environments that businesses> care about.  So, your little rathole doesn't amount to much of9 anything to most of the computing environments out there.b     >7B >Seibel is just an illustration of a widely used application that ? >falls into the category of an application where Kerrys caveat sE >applies because while you can log the users out of a node you cannota? >disconnect the NT replication server without causing downtime.g  D But Seibel is a STUPID example to use by way of illustration becauseE you could NEVER be disproven, because THE SOFTWARE DOESN'T RUN IN THEc? VMSCLUSTER ENVIRONEMNT.  Have you ever heard of the idiom about. comparing apples to oranges.  D If you want to make a comparison, come up with something that we can actually discuss.t     >bI >> Somehow, in countering my discussion you bring up something that isn't E >> even relevant?!!!  What a crock.  This is the best that Sun has top >> throw at us?  >> e >u? >Oh it is relevant because it is an illustration of a commonly 0 >used architecture.m  E BUT IT DOESN'T APPLY TO OPENVMS, SO WE CAN'T POSSIBLY DISPROVE YOU!!!e@ Have them port their app to OpenVMS, and then we can discuss it.4 Until then, don't waste the bandwidth on that topic.   > @ >Now you can argue that the architecture is a crock and that itsB >difficult to build a reliable system because of it, but thats theB >whole reason why Kerrys and your argument is also a crock because@ >a huge number of applications are not architected in a way that- >makes Kerrys scenario a viable one for them.l  C Who knows, you haven't shown one that's relevant, and that is shown D NOT to work in the OpenVMS and VMScluster environment.  Do that, and$ we can discuss something meaningful.   > @ >Of course you can architect apps so that they are well behaved ? >but more often than not people havn't and if you can architectt? >an app to be resiliant in an OpenVMS environment you can also  ? >do this with not much more work in other environments as well.e  C As I've told you before, I have run many systems, and it is usually < more effort to develop the application such that it won't be" "well-behaved" than one that will.  B And I've worked in VMSclusters much longer than you, so I think my3 experience in this counts for much more than yours.s    1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqr- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:04:57 GMTs  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugherP8 Message-ID: <afab1t4duqhe5hvgml08egbacc715arj0p@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:53:36 +0000, andrew harrisona! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:y   >No it isn't rare. >dB >Take something like SAP, no users connect to the backend database= >server at all except for administration purposes. The users i< >connect to apps servers and the apps server connect (for a 8 >very long time e.g as long as the apps server stays up)4 >to the database server. This is a common model and 5 >one reason why people like Oracle are now trying to t7 >charge on a CPU basis rather than a user basis because-/ >there are no users connected to the databases.0  F Sure, okay.  Tell me, what happens if the backend goes down?  And thenC what happens when it comes back up?  I would wager a guess that the7B SAP connections will re-connect on their own, right?  And I'd also; wager a guess that they don't lose any data in the interim.c  < If so, then a VMScluster backend is just the ticket for this application.  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqe- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:07:08 GMTh  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher 8 Message-ID: <qkab1tsu5aomuqfr2990rk06nocnhg3q6k@4ax.com>  3 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:55:10 +0000, andrew harrisonj! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:k  H >An OPS setup for HA isn't complicated to setup provided you don't want C >it to scale which for your scenario is unescessary and since I canp >acheiveI >your limitted definition of HA using OPS why would I bother with OpenVMSoG >and RDB. Isn't that the problem with your argument, if you can shut a  G >node down "once users have naturally disconnected" then you don't even  >need a cluster.  @ Why would you bother?  How about so that your ignorance would beF eliminated and you could actually speak with some authority.  Or don't3 you really care whether you know what you speak of?a  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:38:13 -000024 From: "John D. Peedle" <john@peedle.freeserve.co.uk>' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections7/ Message-ID: <8v4509$ekr$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk>   ( Unfortunately, She can't choose herself!      : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:3A15696C.49AA146B@bbc.co.uk...  >  >  > John Macallister wrote:s >tL > > Elections in the UK are normally held on a normal working day, Thursday.E > > Polling booths are usually open something like 0730-0900 to allowe workingeL > > people to vote. Everyone here also the option of using a postal vote. InL > > principle, there's nothing to prevent everyone from voting. However, badK > > weather usually discourages those who are less affluent ( no car, etc )  fromI > > trekking to a polling booth. One of the quirks here is that the Prime G > > Minister can call a General Election at any time, with a few weeks'i notice,eB > > possibly when he/she feels there's a better chance of winning. > >  > >u >yE > Another quirk, in a hung parliament the queen gets to decide who iso offeredu; > the option of forming a govt and becoming prime minister.  >t >r > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukm > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  > MedAS or the BBC.0 >1 >4   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:05:13 GMTi  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsh8 Message-ID: <mgvb1tgoelq0fa17gl63ioarrj57es7t3d@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 18:33:02 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:s  H >The whole circus that is happening in Florida is discrediting the USA'sL >election process worldwide. It is bad enough that for the next 4 years, theK >president of the USA won't have a clear majority and won't be able to make)K >international commitments because he won't be sure that the various housesTM >will aprove such commitments, but if the legitimacy of his presidency is put*N >in question, that will make his job even harder on an international level, atL >least for the first few months until hopefully this sad story is forgotten.  B Bullshit.  In this country, this is really just a little blip.  ItF would be barely noticed if the news media didn't keep playing it up in  an attempt to gain market share.  E The "clear majority" issue is also crap (assuming that you're talkingc> about majority of popula vote).  NONE of them have had a clearD majority.  Heck, even Reagan didn't win a clear majority.  And don'tE forget, a very low % of the voting population actually even go to the  polls.  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqd- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:10:10 GMTr  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections>8 Message-ID: <orvb1t4kq0qm8snuvkin4hbc77n0j1egsm@4ax.com>  4 On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:31:34 +0000, John Macallister( <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote:  K >People outside the US have no right to tell the US people how to run their G >country but the whole World has a right to be interested in how the US1J >conducts its affairs as the outcome could affect their own situations one >way or another.  E Seriously, the President has limited amount of power.  That's why our  government has three branches.  A Some people put far too much importance on just one branch of ourrA government, and the  power that it wields.  All those candidates'uA promises of this program or that, it's all just talk because they*/ can't do *anything* unless the Congress agrees.   1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)S   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:12:18 GMT   From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections 8 Message-ID: <avvb1t8rejmt5til0g4l9dc6c8f6vrkdhl@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:50:21 -0500, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote::  F >Actually, it works both ways.  When FLA was called early for Gore, itK >was argued, Gore voters in other states thought he had it won, and went oreI >stayed home.  It has also been alleged that the Bush folk got FLA calledkI >early for Gore to lull the Dems and energize the GOP.  Meanwhile all theWK >networks insist they have survey data that "proves" that early calling has L >zero effect on voter turnout (which is counter-intuitive, but may be true).  F I beg to differ.  Psychologists have been saying that those voters whoD *know* their candidate has won tend to keep bringing in more votes -2 kind of a euphoric "I voted for the winner" thing.  A Those who *know* their candidate has lost tend to leave in defeats without going on to vote.R  > So, the assumption that it works equally both ways seems to be
 incorrect.1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqw- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)c   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:20:57 GMTe  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections 8 Message-ID: <k90c1toee0bj2pre3i65cgm2715oorrg59@4ax.com>  A On 15 Nov 2000 16:07:52 GMT, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)) wrote:  I >If Bush barely scrapes in, and the popular vote is still overwhelmingly oJ >in favour of Gore, and only 1 or 2 electors need to swing over, I'm sure 2 >they will.  They will become Heroes of Democracy.  : This is simply not true.  The popular vote is nowhere near" overwhelmingly in favor of anyone.  D First, you have a statistical margin of error in any sampling of theC population, and 200,000 out of 100,000,000 votes is .2%  That ain'tpE much of a lead from the statistical standpoint, and that is certainlytF withing any standard margin of error for this kind of sampling.  Thus,B it is just as likely that either candidate could lead in being the" favorite of the "real" population.  = Second, what this also means that either candidate would have29 basically the same amount of support from the population.   C Ya just can't make the claim of "overwhelming" if you know anythingo about statistical analysis.   1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq:- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:23:06 GMTi  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionss8 Message-ID: <rk0c1tcauh26fhfg5j72vk4tn73o26qhot@4ax.com>  , On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:09:32 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:e   >Which is more democratic:C >	-people taking to the streets demanding a recount of THEIR votes,t >mL >or	-lawyers arguing in courts whether votes are valid or who has or doesn't >have jurisdiction tot< >decide how to judge if a vote is punched correctly or not ?  ? Er... OR, people accepting that they were complete dolts by notsC accepting their own responsiblity to vote correctly the first time.e  C If you can't handle the instructions, you shouldn't be the decidinglD factor in a vote for the local dogcatcher, much less the presidency.  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqr- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:27:29 GMTu  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionsg8 Message-ID: <3p0c1tsojkuo48kglbuo1uj6oiheg8ba81@4ax.com>  , On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 00:24:43 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:o   >Jordan Henderson wrote:I >> It's the lawyers on Al Gore's side who are taking to the courts trying G >> to get even dimples and "pregnant" chad validated as possible votes.iF >> George Bush wants none of this subjective fishing around for votes. >cM >But if both side were to agree on a logical and realistic and reasonable way-K >to manually count ballots, things would be much better.  A dimple is not auO >clear indication of a voter's intentions. But chad is. If the recount includes9N >votes where the intentions are not clear, the results are just as invalid (if" >not more) than the machine count.  ? Except that with all the handling, and some *very* questionable:C actions by democrat counters, many of those chads seem to be coming>@ lose in just ONE candidates direction.  This is highly unlikely.   >r > D >> Unlike in Yugoslavia, there is a clear statutory process that hasB >> been laid out well in advance of the election in Florida and isC >> being followed.  We'll see if Al Gore and his lawyers will allowu >> it to go forward or not.h >vO >If there had been a clear statutory process, you wouldn't be seeing candidateseM >suing left and right and lawyers having a field day trying to make decisionseM >without any precedents. If there had been a clear process, there wouldn't beeN >politics involved, it would be a simple technical matter to recount the votes >after a request.a  > No, this is wrong.  There IS a statutory process.  It has beenC explained, in fact.  However, in our country you can't stop someoneeA form filing suit just because this process has been defined.  TheiE problem is that the Gore camp is ready and willing to accept all lawslA and statutes that help them get their way, but are also ready andaD willing to try to thwart any and all laws and statutes that stand in
 their way.   >eH >This reminds me of Star Trek where Kirk gives some master computer thatI >controls all of a planet a riddle the computer hasn't been programmed tosM >solve, and the computer starts to emit smoke and eventually dies with a niceuJ >show of fireworks. Seems to me that the election process has been given aM >problem it hasn't been programmed to solve and it doesn't know how to handle,H >this. As a result, lawyers are going nuts, producing all sorts of legalG >lawsuits left and right, suing over the right to sue, trying to get aneK >injunction to prevent another one from suing, forcing the certification ofe >incomplete results etc etc.  C Well, you're putting too much weight on these issues.  It'll all beIF resolved without dragging the country through an impossible situation.) We DO have a defined line of progression.   1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaql- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)f   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:30:22 GMTm  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionso8 Message-ID: <m11c1tkngrq47nleh7mpopbfko2biveee3@4ax.com>  A On 16 Nov 2000 16:52:55 GMT, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)p wrote:  ? >Of course, the governor and secretary of state in Florida are p
 >republicans.t  C Yes, and the governor has recused himself from much of the decidinge factors.  E And the secretary of state is using a law firm whose founder has goneaE on record as stating that it is overwhelmingly dominated by employees @ who are democrats.  These are the lawyers who are counseling the6 secretary of state on what her obligations are by law.  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq - (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 04:33:25 GMTs  From: jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections 8 Message-ID: <581c1ts6h89hff1kbhd1d2hgjpjjspmjkp@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 11:08:46 -0500, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Roberti Deininger) wrote:g  x>"Unsafe at Any Speed" (Nader's first big splash) was pure junk science.  There was no data to support his claims that the Corvair was unsafe.  After the customers were scared away and GM stopped making the car, many were still on the road.  It turned out (based on accident statistics) that the Corvair was about average in terms of safety, compared to other cars of the era. > O >Much of Nader's career seems to have been based on the same sort of flim-flam.e >i' >(Yes, I've actually driven a Corvair.)u  D Hey, I actually OWNED a Corvair when in high school.  I can tell youB from personal experience that it is not that easy to roll.  I haveB done 180 and 360 turns, on dry ground (i.e., not ice, not rain) at> serious speeds (for a Corvair), and it didn't roll.  Not once.  1 Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaqw- (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:27:30 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionse, Message-ID: <3A15F71F.8A6067C3@videotron.ca>   jlsue wrote:D > Bullshit.  In this country, this is really just a little blip.  ItH > would be barely noticed if the news media didn't keep playing it up in" > an attempt to gain market share.  I Governments would be irrelevant if they were emprisoned in some big whitenF house for 4 years and not reported on and not allowed to do anything. $ (Perhaps that would be a good thing)  M So how the media reports on what a government does is critical to a democracyuH because that is how governmnet are made accountable to their electorate.G Hence, if CNN is having a field day reporting on how each vote is beinghM counted or debated in Florida and how it affects the whole democracy issue in K the USA, then that is how the electorate will see it, and more importantly,t4 that is how other nations will see this whole issue.  G > The "clear majority" issue is also crap (assuming that you're talkinga! > about majority of popula vote).o    L No, I am talking about the ability of a government leader to push though hisK agenda, and more importantly, the ability of a leader to domestically enact $ international commitments he makes. K The POTUS won't have much credibility internationally if his administration J doesn't have enough powr in its houses to pass whatever laws are needed toJ enact international deals. If the POTUS doesn't have support domestically,C whatever arms/peace/commercial deal he signs with another nation isyL meaningless to that other nation because the odds of such a deal passing are not very high.  L A government without a clear legislative majority is essentially a lame duckI government for the duration of the mandate. I the parlementary systems, a0N minority government rarely lasts the 4-5 years mandate it gets. It either getsI a vote of non confidence forcing a new election, or will call an election L early if it feels it can increase the number of seats to gain a majority, so' the "lame duck" rarely lasts very long.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 06:38:55 +0100t  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>4 Subject: Re: Technology of US elections - PSEPHOLOGY+ Message-ID: <VA.0000017f.0c4fa565@sture.ch>t  M In article <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FCF@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>,   John Macallister wrote:h: > From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsw) > Subject: RE: Technology of US electionsn' > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 16:34:44 +0000n > J > Elections in the UK are normally held on a normal working day, Thursday.K > Polling booths are usually open something like 0730-0900 to allow working J > people to vote. Everyone here also the option of using a postal vote. InJ > principle, there's nothing to prevent everyone from voting. However, badN > weather usually discourages those who are less affluent ( no car, etc ) fromG > trekking to a polling booth. One of the quirks here is that the Prime M > Minister can call a General Election at any time, with a few weeks' notice,>@ > possibly when he/she feels there's a better chance of winning. >yM The problem with the UK postal vote is that you need to apply for it well in  ( advance - 6 weeks or more comes to mind.  K It used to happen that a certain boss would send me to work 200 miles away lM from home every election day, always at short notice. I could not prove that lN he was doing it deliberately, but I _did_ lose my vote every time due to that.   Psephology:h   Main Entry: psephologyl   Pronunciation: sE-'f-l&-jE    Function: noun@   Etymology: Greek psEphos pebble, ballot, vote; from the use of)   pebbles by the ancient Greeks in votingy   Date: 1952(      : the scientific study of elections6      - psephological /"sE-f&-'l-ji-k&l/ adjective-      - psephologist /sE-'f-l&-jist/ noun e   ___o
 Paul Sture Switzerland>   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 15:02:59 -05003' From: "Ung Ho Yi" <yi-1@medctr.osu.edu>n$ Subject: TL891 Tape library vs TZ887: Message-ID: <8v430p$lng$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>   Hello,  H I read on Compaq storage website about  TL891(with single drive)  havingH about 3 times faster through put compared to TZ887.  Has anyone observed this?uL Would my backup speed up by 2-3times if I were to replace TZ877 by TL891, or( will other factor decrease the speed up.   Thanks in advance, yi   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Nov 2000 21:45:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: TL891 Tape library vs TZ8876 Message-ID: <8v48uh$d6o$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  d In article <8v430p$lng$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, "Ung Ho Yi" <yi-1@medctr.osu.edu> writes:I :I read on Compaq storage website about  TL891(with single drive)  having I :about 3 times faster through put compared to TZ887.  Has anyone observede :this?  F   The TZ89 series DLT drives are rather faster than other DLT widgets.  K :Would my backup speed up by 2-3times if I were to replace TZ877 by TL891, t, :or will other factor decrease the speed up.  G   If the tape data transfer speed is your limiting factor and you have fG   sufficient excess system and I/O capacity available to drive the new 1D   (and faster) DLT, yes.  If you are not driving the DLT at its peakD   now or if you have no excess capacity for the new DLT drive, your 5   observed performance will scale rather differently.5  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:06:08 -0500r5 From: "Martin Bondy" <mbondy1pjennings@starpower.net>e@ Subject: UCX mounting of VMS subdirectory as primary mount point+ Message-ID: <8v4koh$b4v$1@bob.news.rcn.net>o  8 Does anyone know how to get UCX to allow an NFS mount ofJ a low level subdirectory as a primary mount point?  I can mount the entire disk with no problem.l0 For example I need  to mount a directory such as( dpa131:[midas.eval.xyz.plot] as "/plot".K I can get it mounted as "/dpa132/midas/eval/xyz/plot" on the Unix side, butb without using UCXeJ containers (which cause their own set of problems and issues) I can't seem to do what I want. I'vesJ done this before using TCPWARE just fine, but UCX doesn't seem to have allK the capabilities of TCPWARE.  BTW, I am running VMS 7.2-1 if that makes any  difference.  Thanks in advance.t   Martin Bondy martin_bondy@yahoo.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:57:32 -0000D5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk>l? Subject: Wanted: Mounting cartridges for Xyratex R9000 RAID box:( Message-ID: <zNhR5.3714$Xd.88764@stones>  F I have a Xyratex R9000 RAID array configured as RAID 5. There's a slotA for mounting a DAT (or similar) drive but I don't have any of the  mounting cartridges.  0 I believe that Xyratex is (or was) a UK company.  . Does any one know where I can get hold of any?     regards,   Adrian   --% =====================================s Dr. Adrian Lumsden XDT Computer Systems Ltd.e% =====================================o   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:13:18 -0000p5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk> C Subject: Re: Wanted: Mounting cartridges for Xyratex R9000 RAID box ( Message-ID: <ljiR5.3721$Xd.89812@stones>  F Just found out that Xyratex is probably a US company with a UK office.     Adrian  % =====================================n Adrian Lumsden XDT Computer Systems Ltd.c% =====================================h  @ "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk> wrote in message" news:zNhR5.3714$Xd.88764@stones...H > I have a Xyratex R9000 RAID array configured as RAID 5. There's a slotC > for mounting a DAT (or similar) drive but I don't have any of theT > mounting cartridges. >52 > I believe that Xyratex is (or was) a UK company. > 0 > Does any one know where I can get hold of any? >  > 
 > regards, >r > Adrian >t > --' > =====================================  > Dr. Adrian Lumsden > XDT Computer Systems Ltd.s' > =====================================o >l >h >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:55:00 -0000r5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk>f2 Subject: Wanted: Slides for Jensen internal drives( Message-ID: <yNhR5.3713$Xd.88764@stones>  F I have inherited a Jensen and want to install some additional drive in the internal slots.r  D However I don't have any of those nifty slide things to screw to the side of the drives.*  . Does any one know where I can get hold of any?   regards,   Adrian   --% =====================================u Dr. Adrian Lumsden XDT Computer Systems Ltd.a% =====================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 11:59:42 +0900-1 From: "Sungjoo Kwon" <ksj2348@mail.posdata.co.kr>r7 Subject: X25 server side programming..(Urgent Question)f( Message-ID: <8v4s08$59f$1@news.nuri.net>   Hi everyoneo  $ I'm novice programmer on vax system.F I'm trying to program x25 server side program.but  i confront annoying problem., Using mailbox to control x25 pvc channel and0 qio function to communicate with client process.$ I descript my programming situation.   - one mailbox creation - mailbox assign' - readblk ast setup using qio function.o  I Next time procrdure is to create each vc,totaly 4 vc, when it receive thet connection ast.o   This is a question. ? How can i control connection status on 4 vc using one mailbox?.TE Of course Mailbpx receive all status information on 4vc. But I  can't I recognize status information on each vc. Because mailbox don't take  each  channel number.t  K How can I Control transparently connection status information on 4 vc using" one mailbox.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:07:35 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ; Subject: Re: X25 server side programming..(Urgent Question)w, Message-ID: <3A15F276.22FCED1C@videotron.ca>   Sungjoo Kwon wrote:cA > How can i control connection status on 4 vc using one mailbox?.aG > Of course Mailbpx receive all status information on 4vc. But I  can't K > recognize status information on each vc. Because mailbox don't take  eachn > channel number.0  L IO don't have specific X.25 information. However for DECnet, you specify theI same mailbox name for each network channel you assign. So all the controli5 information is delivered to the same mailbox channel.   M Check the specific X.25 information, there should be a format for the mailboxhL messages that are delivered to the mailbox device for each X.25 channel that	 is setup.c  0 For instance, in decnet, the message looks like: 	unsigned short msgtype ;s 	unsigned short unit ; 	unsighned char data[124];  W And the unit is obtained with a $GETDVI call for the network channel you have assigned.   I So, when you open the network channel, you get the unit number for it andpM store it. And whenever you receive a mailbox message, you look at the unit insN the mailbox message to determine which channel the mailbox message is refering to.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 05:09:19 GMTn3 From: cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius)a; Subject: Re: X25 server side programming..(Urgent Question)z+ Message-ID: <1$8x1d0DXOEB@eisner.decus.org>e  \ In article <3A15F276.22FCED1C@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > Sungjoo Kwon wrote:"B >> How can i control connection status on 4 vc using one mailbox?.H >> Of course Mailbpx receive all status information on 4vc. But I  can'tL >> recognize status information on each vc. Because mailbox don't take  each >> channel number.   [...]hO > Check the specific X.25 information, there should be a format for the mailbox N > messages that are delivered to the mailbox device for each X.25 channel that > is setup.  > 2 > For instance, in decnet, the message looks like: > 	unsigned short msgtype ;n > 	unsigned short unit ; > 	unsighned char data[124];  E As I recall, VAX PSI used the same format.  The unit number tells youe* which NWAx: device the message applies to.  P I don't have any current documentation for X.25 services on Alpha, but I suspect9 that if it is no longer PSI it retains PSI compatibility.   bY > And the unit is obtained with a $GETDVI call for the network channel you have assigned.t > K > So, when you open the network channel, you get the unit number for it andiO > store it. And whenever you receive a mailbox message, you look at the unit iniP > the mailbox message to determine which channel the mailbox message is refering > to.l   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org0                               cornelius@mayo.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:02:13 -0600r7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>t Subject: Re: You Are So Rightb- Message-ID: <3A15FF45.ADB959B1@earthlink.net>m   The Newbie wrote:g > M > I got this file from the VMS freeware site and the file was being seen as a  > very long record.  Thanks!  @ Yes - you will find that many such files on that site are indeedE scrambled. The result of serving up RMS files on a UN*X or NT server.c   Some people will never learn...e   -- e David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.j   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:46:58 -0500i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1711002346580001@user-2iveaa0.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <3A1420CD.7D73A44@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:d   > F > I cannot comment on the fraud allegation, though it seems a sweeping > statement.H > But the point about slection of recounts has been overtaken by events, > the I > Democrats have offered the Republicans a complete recount for the whole  > ofJ > Florida without the inclusion of any of results from the existing manual > recounts.o  P The "offer" Gore made was a crock.  A made-for-TV bit of nonsense.  Gore doesn't have the slightest authority to "offer" to change the rules, and in fact the deadline for requesting additional recounts is long past. n  7 But you, and many others, apparently fell for his game.m   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comh   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.644 ************************