1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 20 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 649       Contents: $getspi (again !)  Re: $getspi (again !)  Re: $getspi (again !)  Re: Alpha station , AlphaStation 500 w/apparent firmware problem, AlphaStation 500 w/apparent firmware problem Re: CDE Front Panel  Re: CDE Front Panel  Re: CDE Front Panel , Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!!, Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!! Re: Connecting a CD-writer.. Re: Convert .decw$font to .pcf Re: Convert .decw$font to .pcf' RE: florida cobol ingres vax vms wanted  Re: foreign language class Re: foreign language class	 FRONTPORT 
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 Rob Murphy! Systems Manager, Cable & Wireless  robert.murphy@rb.cwplc.com    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:33:01 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: $getspi (again !)0 Message-ID: <009F366E.1A621AC7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  L In article <8vbi8u$g05$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, ROBERT.MURPHY@RB.CWPLC.COM writes: >Hi, > D >Another oddity with $GETSPI - I am doing some pascal work, and haveF >written a routine to do the math and get the cpu busy times. I know IH >have to call SPI$_MODES twice, however while the first call returns all= >the tick times as expected, the second call returns zero for A >everything, which is not what I would have expected, obviously !  > , >Has anyone ever actually got this to work ?   Yes!  With Pascal... No.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:04:16 -0500 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: $getspi (again !): Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.0.20001120120147.027cf720@24.8.96.48>  = At 04:08 PM 11/20/00 +0000, ROBERT.MURPHY@RB.CWPLC.COM wrote:  >Hi, > D >Another oddity with $GETSPI - I am doing some pascal work, and haveF >written a routine to do the math and get the cpu busy times. I know IH >have to call SPI$_MODES twice, however while the first call returns all= >the tick times as expected, the second call returns zero for A >everything, which is not what I would have expected, obviously !  > , >Has anyone ever actually got this to work ?  I Not in Pascal, but in C and perl, yes. Works pretty much as you'd expect.   J Are you sure you're not doing something odd like using the same item list E for fetching the starting and ending times? (Been there, did that...)    					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:27:40 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Alpha station) Message-ID: <3A190AAC.78FFFB29@bbc.co.uk>    Nivlesh Chandra wrote:  L > I have a alpha station 400 4/233 and it has VMS 7.0 installed on it. We doJ > not need it anymore and I have been given it to play with. Now I want toM > install NT for Alpha on it but do not know how to do that since when I boot M > up the machine it loads VMS and does not give me any options to choose what L > I want to install. can someone please help me install some other operating& > system other than VMS on this alpha? >   4 you got some nerve mate posting this to comp.os.vms.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2000 17:12:08 -0500 5 From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@onay-amspay.mail.com> 5 Subject: AlphaStation 500 w/apparent firmware problem 3 Message-ID: <3A12C3E8.3B07222@onay-amspay.mail.com>   H I've got a customer who has an AlphaStation 500/400 that has developed aB problem that manifests itself as soon as the system is powered-up.  3 According to the customer, the power-up display is:    ea.e9.e8.e7.e6.e5.e4. , Digital Alpha Station 500/400 Console v6.9-5%      built on oct 10 1998 at 14:22:57 " EISA configuration error detected! you have entered a fix command fixing NVR Packet @ 0  fixing NVR Identifier @ 280  fixing NVR Data @ 3F8  fixing EISA Data @ 1000  fixing NVR Environment @ BFC >>>   H I haven't seen anything like this before but it certainly looks like theD system has some type of firmware or motherboard problem.  The systemA doesn't hold firmware variable settings for either auto_action or I bootdef_dev.  The customer has tried booting from the SCSI CDROM and that G doesn't work also.  A show dev d lists all of the system's SCSI devices D though.  The CDROM drive is an RRD46.  After VMS boots up, the CDROM$ produces "medium is offline" errors.  C It may be that the CDROM drive is defective and is unrelated to the H firmware messages.  It seems a bit strange to me that EISA is referencedK since I didn't remember the AS500 having EISA slots but maybe that's OK for D the AS500 anyway.  I have thought that maybe the firmware has gottenJ corrupt but since I haven't run across that yet I don't know if this wouldD be the response or if other messages would be seen that would say so explicitly.   F Maybe it's just coincidence that they've got a bad CDROM drive and theJ motherboard battery has gone?  Since the system isn't that old it would beD a bit unusual that the battery would've gone dead but I guess that'sI possible.  If anyone has seen any firmware problem like this, I'd like to K hear about it.  The fact that the system is 10 timezones away from here has % made diagnosing this a bit difficult.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:27:02 -0500 5 From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@onay-amspay.mail.com> 5 Subject: AlphaStation 500 w/apparent firmware problem 4 Message-ID: <3A13EEB6.42781479@onay-amspay.mail.com>  H I've got a customer who has an AlphaStation 500/400 that has developed aB problem that manifests itself as soon as the system is powered-up.  3 According to the customer, the power-up display is:    ea.e9.e8.e7.e6.e5.e4. , Digital Alpha Station 500/400 Console v6.9-5%      built on oct 10 1998 at 14:22:57 " EISA configuration error detected! you have entered a fix command fixing NVR Packet @ 0  fixing NVR Identifier @ 280  fixing NVR Data @ 3F8  fixing EISA Data @ 1000  fixing NVR Environment @ BFC >>>   H I haven't seen anything like this before but it certainly looks like theD system has some type of firmware or motherboard problem.  The systemA doesn't hold firmware variable settings for either auto_action or I bootdef_dev.  The customer has tried booting from the SCSI CDROM and that G doesn't work also.  A show dev d lists all of the system's SCSI devices D though.  The CDROM drive is an RRD46.  After VMS boots up, the CDROM$ produces "medium is offline" errors.  C It may be that the CDROM drive is defective and is unrelated to the H firmware messages.  It seems a bit strange to me that EISA is referencedK since I didn't remember the AS500 having EISA slots but maybe that's OK for D the AS500 anyway.  I have thought that maybe the firmware has gottenJ corrupt but since I haven't run across that yet I don't know if this wouldD be the response or if other messages would be seen that would say so explicitly.   F Maybe it's just coincidence that they've got a bad CDROM drive and theJ motherboard battery has gone?  Since the system isn't that old it would beD a bit unusual that the battery would've gone dead but I guess that'sI possible.  If anyone has seen any firmware problem like this, I'd like to K hear about it.  The fact that the system is 10 timezones away from here has % made diagnosing this a bit difficult.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:02:49 +0100 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: CDE Front Panel3 Message-ID: <3A1904D8.4A6E3119@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    Paul Sture wrote:  > I > In article <20001116212556.18174.00000265@ng-fi1.aol.com>, Sk388 wrote:  > > From: sk388@aol.com (Sk388)  > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms " > > Date: 17 Nov 2000 02:25:56 GMT > > Subject: CDE Front Panel > > 
 > > Folks,S > > I have a DEC 3000 model 600 running OpenVMS 7.2.  I would like to modify my CDE D > > Front Panel.  Where at in the software do you go to modify this? > > P > What do you want to modify? Many items can be modified by clicking on the iconR > with the mouse, colour palette and TTT (getting smaller). IIRC the help is quite# > useful here - the icon with the ? D i.e. remove some of the main-item icons to make the panel smaller by removing those you never use.                           Jouk  --    > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansen  		     joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl   E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:13:05 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: CDE Front Panel* Message-ID: <3A193F81.877D6457@uk.sun.com>   Jouk Jansen wrote: >  > Paul Sture wrote:  > > K > > In article <20001116212556.18174.00000265@ng-fi1.aol.com>, Sk388 wrote: ! > > > From: sk388@aol.com (Sk388)  > > > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms $ > > > Date: 17 Nov 2000 02:25:56 GMT > > > Subject: CDE Front Panel > > >  > > > Folks,U > > > I have a DEC 3000 model 600 running OpenVMS 7.2.  I would like to modify my CDE F > > > Front Panel.  Where at in the software do you go to modify this? > > > R > > What do you want to modify? Many items can be modified by clicking on the iconT > > with the mouse, colour palette and TTT (getting smaller). IIRC the help is quite% > > useful here - the icon with the ? F > i.e. remove some of the main-item icons to make the panel smaller by > removing those you never use.  >   G Do you mean the panel along the bottom of the screen if you do then you E should be able to do this by moving the pointer to the sub-panel you  D want to delete and then press the right button, a menu should appearE with the title of the Panel for example "Mail". One of the options on  the ! menu should be "Delete Subpanel".    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:27:32 GMT  From: rwscsinc@my-deja.com Subject: Re: CDE Front Panel) Message-ID: <8vbqe9$nkr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   - In article <20001116212556.18174.00000265@ng- 
 fi1.aol.com>,    sk388@aol.com (Sk388) wrote: > Folks,- > I have a DEC 3000 model 600 running OpenVMS # 7.2.  I would like to modify my CDE / > Front Panel.  Where at in the software do you  go to modify this? > 
 > Scott Fritz  >   . Here is the URL for the System Admin guide for configuring the CDE.  2 http://www.iagu.net/docs/dec/SysAdmin/sysadmin_1.h tml    Regards,
 Doran Werling  RW/SCS Inc.       & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:41:34 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 5 Subject: Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!! ) Message-ID: <3A19462E.81F3C864@gtech.com>    "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > VMS-capable hardware at less than $500 U.S. is not a question of "if",J > it's a question of when. The first one with enough brass in his balls toF > make it happen will become the next Bill Gates - or at least a close
 > competitor.  > D > Your mission, Jim, should you decide to accept it, is to make that2 > happen before I do, or before someone else does.  , Why do you not enter the hardware business ?  > It is very easy to critisize vendors from being too expensive.  D It may be a bit more difficult to sell the same products cheaper and at the same time make money.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:59:51 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br 5 Subject: Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!! L Message-ID: <OF600E2326.4893B1B0-ON0325699D.00684AEF@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  ' It=B4s time to have AMD Alpha=B4s ! ! !    Regards,   FC              = Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> em 20/11/2000 13:41:34 H                                                                        =     =20 H                                                                        =     =20 H                                                                        =     =20     @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: Complete Alpha for Less than $900!!!!!!!       =20@                                                              =20           =      "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > VMS-capable hardware at less than $500 U.S. is not a question of "if"= , H > it's a question of when. The first one with enough brass in his balls=  to0F > make it happen will become the next Bill Gates - or at least a close
 > competitor.  >aD > Your mission, Jim, should you decide to accept it, is to make that2 > happen before I do, or before someone else does.  , Why do you not enter the hardware business ?  > It is very easy to critisize vendors from being too expensive.  D It may be a bit more difficult to sell the same products cheaper and at the same time make money.   Arne       =c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:14:22 +0100a. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>% Subject: Re: Connecting a CD-writer..h, Message-ID: <8vbij3$843$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  6 A. van Klei <avanklei@worldonline.nl> wrote in message* news:8v9dpo$g2b$1@nereid.worldonline.nl...J > Is there PC sofware wich formats an CD-RW with the Open-VMS file system?) > and how can I put Open-VMS files on it?  >p Look at-  4 http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/vms.html  F DFY$VMSCD is a program, which can create CD-images containing VMS fileK systems. The image can then be transferred to a PC and burnt onto the CD ina9 'image' mode - something most CD-burning programs can do.          Best regards     Jesper Naur    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:43:28 -0500i5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>B' Subject: Re: Convert .decw$font to .pcfy, Message-ID: <8vbnrf$c44k$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  L The DECW$FONT files are compiled for the VAX, are are not a standard format.  L The simplest thing is to extract the files from an Alpha distribution, which uses the standard PCF format.  K Of course, the fonts come with VMS licensed for use on *that* system.  Some  of theJ fonts on the distribution may be licensed by Compaq for use on our systems	 (that is, I they are not the direct property of Compaq).  So I cannot endorse copyingo those filess3 to a LINUX box.  It is not supported or sanctioned.R   Fred - NOT speaking for Compaq  ! Kenn Humborg wrote in message ...XA >I've got a VAX running a hobbyist VMS installation and I'm usingE< >a Linux PC running XFree86 4.0.1 as the display.  Most apps< >complain about missing fonts when run.  So I'd like to take= >the .DECW$FONT files from the VAX and make them available to:# >the font server running on the PC.8 >0@ >I've found out that .DECW$FONT files are in SNF (server neutralC >format).  I think I need to convert them to PCF or BDF before theya >will work with XFree86. >kA >I've managed to dig up an snftobdf source package from 1993 that B >built with a bit of persuasion.  However, it doesn't seem to likeC >the DECW$FONT files.  Looking at the font files with DUMP suggestsyA >that they are a different format than what this program expects.  >o? >Are SNF files different on each platform?  (I have a suspicionp@ >that they are basically a dump of the in-memory structures usedB >by the font renderer.)  If so, is the definition of the DECW$FONT >format available anywhere.a >rA >Or, preferably, is there a tool that will do this conversion for  >me? >g >Thanks, >KennA >A >S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:17:32 +0000@- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> ' Subject: Re: Convert .decw$font to .pcfk) Message-ID: <3A196ABC.9669EE16@bbc.co.uk>t   Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  N > The DECW$FONT files are compiled for the VAX, are are not a standard format. >lN > The simplest thing is to extract the files from an Alpha distribution, which
 > uses the > standard PCF format. > M > Of course, the fonts come with VMS licensed for use on *that* system.  Somes > of theL > fonts on the distribution may be licensed by Compaq for use on our systems > (that is, K > they are not the direct property of Compaq).  So I cannot endorse copyinge
 > those files 5 > to a LINUX box.  It is not supported or sanctioned.0 >1  @  So, one can't copy them to another system, and DECW$XFS doesn'tI work properly so they can't be served to another system. Just how exactly > is one supposed to use an Xemulator on a PC or X on a Unix boxH to run a DECTerm and not see just a horrible mess on the screen when one types MONTOR SYSTEM?  P Just trying to clarify things, as I have similar issues (and not a recent enough  B version of VMS to run the patched DECW$XFS that the support people	 sent me).s   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:23:41 -0600s+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>-0 Subject: RE: florida cobol ingres vax vms wantedN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052849EE@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Hello,  ( The following might also be of interest: http://openvms.monster.com/    Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant- Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-46600 Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----4 From: schiffkey@home.com [mailto:schiffkey@home.com]  Sent: November 18, 2000 11:14 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComM, Subject: florida cobol ingres vax vms wanted     wanted position in florida# florida cobol ingres vax vms wanted    schiffkey@Home.com   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2000 10:44:34 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)# Subject: Re: foreign language classc. Message-ID: <8vavai$69r$1@info.service.rug.nl>  D In article <8xCG4wE4qD56@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:   ^ > In article <8v3e26$rp2$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes: > F > > Gthe is a good example, actually.  Go to www.m-w.com and see whatO > > they show for the pronounciation of Goethe.  There are two pronounciations,eL > > one where the first vowel (oe) is the a in abut and one where it's OE as > > in Joe.0 > M > Don't know how you pronounce it, but to me the a in abut (close to uh-but) t  > is nothing like the a in kale.  H Right.  The sound does not exist in English.  Some people say "position H your lips etc as if you were to say "o", but say "a" instead", which is G where the "a" probably comes from.  This MIGHT approximate the sound.  sF Some people pronounce it with an "r", which is WRONG; this stems from H the fact that the sound is similar to the vowel sound BEFORE the "r" in  an unstressed syllable.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:39:23 +0100R6 From: "Martin Knoblauch" <martin.knoblauch@compaq.com># Subject: Re: foreign language class@6 Message-ID: <8vb2i7$96h$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in messagem( news:8vavai$69r$1@info.service.rug.nl...F > In article <8xCG4wE4qD56@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org > (Bob Koehler) writes:s >iE > > In article <8v3e26$rp2$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.comv (Jordan Henderson) writes: > > H > > > Gthe is a good example, actually.  Go to www.m-w.com and see what@ > > > they show for the pronounciation of Goethe.  There are two pronounciations,K > > > one where the first vowel (oe) is the a in abut and one where it's OE  as
 > > > in Joe.e > >dF > > Don't know how you pronounce it, but to me the a in abut (close to uh-but)h" > > is nothing like the a in kale. >yI > Right.  The sound does not exist in English.  Some people say "position I > your lips etc as if you were to say "o", but say "a" instead", which iseG > where the "a" probably comes from.  This MIGHT approximate the sound.eG > Some people pronounce it with an "r", which is WRONG; this stems fromtI > the fact that the sound is similar to the vowel sound BEFORE the "r" inv > an unstressed syllable.t  L  Actually, the "u" in u-rgent comes pretty close. Just keep it a bit longer.   Martin   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:32:57 +0100a< From: "Politie Noord- en Oost Gelderland" <POLNOGKA@TREF.NL> Subject: FRONTPORT* Message-ID: <8vb61q$oaij$1@reader3.wxs.nl>  J For installing Samba I need to get Frontport. Does anyone know where I can get it.b   Bene   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:25:00 -0600h) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>l Subject: Re: FRONTPORT/ Message-ID: <t1icuhihehfs0c@corp.supernews.com>.  5 "Politie Noord- en Oost Gelderland" <POLNOGKA#TREF.NL 6  wrote in message news:8vb61q$oaij$1@reader3.wxs.nl...  L > For installing Samba I need to get Frontport. Does anyone know where I can	 > get it.   , http://eisner.decus.org/~malmberg/frontport/   -Johni wb8tyw@qsl.network" malmberg@eisner.decus.organization   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:00:09 +0100a2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: FRONTPORT; Message-ID: <3a195899.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>o  ; Politie Noord- en Oost Gelderland (POLNOGKA@TREF.NL) wrote:e/ : For installing Samba I need to get Frontport.C& : Does anyone know where I can get it.  , http://eisner.decus.org/~malmberg/frontport/   cu,h   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.detN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:30:47 -0600t' From: Oscar Lerma <belindal@hiline.net>u* Subject: Hex characters in ASCII data file* Message-ID: <3A193597.9ED02E93@hiline.net>  D I am working with an ASCII sequential data file that is 320 bytes in
 length.  EacheF time I FTP this file to my PC,  line feed and form feed hex characters
 appear at thee end of each line.o  ? I have tried numerous setting in my FTP client but get the sameu results.  I haveH also done a hex dump on the file in VMS but the characters do not appear there.D Anyone have any suggestions as to which FTP client I should use that willC not add these hex characters?  I am assuming it is my FTP client at 
 fault for the  moment.1  
 Thank You, Oscar LermaJ   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:37:28 -0600D' From: Oscar Lerma <belindal@hiline.net> * Subject: Hex characters in ASCII data file* Message-ID: <3A193727.E7E7F299@hiline.net>  H I am working with an ASCII data file that is 320 bytes in length.  Every timeG I FTP the file to my PC hex characters (line feed, form feed) appear at  the end G of each line.  I have tried numerous setting in my FTP client but stilly get the sameF results.  I have also dumpted the data file into a hex file but cannot see the hex  characters there.y  G Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I should look next whetherl& my FTP client or the data file itself?  
 Thank You, Oscar Lermar   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:14:50 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>u. Subject: Re: Hex characters in ASCII data file( Message-ID: <3A193FE9.AEE10582@ohio.edu>  I Have you tried the FTP in TEXT (ASCII) as well as BINARY (IMAGE) mode?  I-< would guess that you transferred a text file in binary mode.  #                                 RDP      Oscar Lerma wrote:  F > I am working with an ASCII sequential data file that is 320 bytes in > length.  EachtH > time I FTP this file to my PC,  line feed and form feed hex characters > appear at the  > end of each line.f > A > I have tried numerous setting in my FTP client but get the same  > results.  I haveJ > also done a hex dump on the file in VMS but the characters do not appear > there.F > Anyone have any suggestions as to which FTP client I should use that > willE > not add these hex characters?  I am assuming it is my FTP client at  > fault for the1	 > moment.0 >  > Thank You,
 > Oscar Lerma.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:58:29 GMTF% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) / Subject: Re: How can I watch RealPlayer movies? 1 Message-ID: <3a191f49.960929613@news.newsguy.com>    On 15 Nov 2000 12:42:37 GMT,@ lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) wrote:    A >Perhaps you are not aware of this, but if you run the RealPlayere= >application to view or listen to something, the player triesh@ >to contact the RealPlayer company via the Internet to tell them< >what movie you're watching, who you are, etc.  I personally; >consider that a totally unacceptable security risk, and ane: >invasion of privacy.  I also don't like the fact that the  C Current versions of RealPlayer ask if you want this feature enabledi during installation.  9 >real player file formats are apparently proprietary (andn1 >secret), and that there is no choice of players.S  F Windows Media Player used to play Real Media although it would usually	 screw up.-     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:25:25 +0000:0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>/ Subject: Re: How can I watch RealPlayer movies?0* Message-ID: <3A194265.F5A02247@uk.sun.com>  B > lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) > wrote: > C > >Perhaps you are not aware of this, but if you run the RealPlayerd? > >application to view or listen to something, the player tries B > >to contact the RealPlayer company via the Internet to tell them> > >what movie you're watching, who you are, etc.  I personally= > >consider that a totally unacceptable security risk, and and< > >invasion of privacy.  I also don't like the fact that the > ; > >real player file formats are apparently proprietary (and?3 > >secret), and that there is no choice of players.C >   . This may be the case but its hardly the point.  7 The origional poster wants to use his Alpha box running:9 OpenVMS to access the Web. A big % of the streaming mediae: on Internet sites uses RealPlayer so if you want to access7 them you need RealPlayer or something that will handle o? RealPlayer formats. This is no different to the situation with  = respect to Microsoft Office and its proprietary file formats.      Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectl   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:39:33 +0000 (UTC)i' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> A Subject: Re: Installing OpenVMS on AXPPci33 - No SYS$CPU_ROUTINESa, Message-ID: <8vb2hl$gp7$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  % Mike Burch <mgburch@smart.net> wrote:,M > When I boot the install CD ('BOOT DKA400') it starts OK, but then dies withcC > an error saying it can't find the file SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_0B04.EXE.2 ...8  E OpenVMS FAQ ( http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html ) J ALPHA8 & ALPHA13                                                       /OK   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:59:10 +0100 ' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>   Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes* Message-ID: <3A19201E.73A3AF2E@iaf.fhg.de>   Theo Jakobus wrote:  >  > Chris De Young wrote:  > > [ > > In article <39ECC73E.FB8BBA67@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes: 4 > > >The new kit is available from the Mozilla site. > > > P > > >It has been submitted to the OpenVMS site, but I don't think its there yet.+ > > >It should be by morning at the latest.  > > >  > > ' > > Got it from the Mozilla.org site...  > > 
 > > $ mozilla  > > Starting mozilla-bin...i7 > > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image CMA$TIS_SHR P > > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file VMS$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE> > > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > > R > > System is V7.1-1H2, and I do have the ALPLIBR patch.  The date on the PCSI kitP > > I got from mozilla.org is 16-OCT-2000 20:31:14.74 - is this the current one? > >  > > Thanks,D
 > > -Chris > >  > > chd@arizona.edu  >  > I'm using MOZILLA M18S > $ANALYZE/IMAGE shows:f" > Image Identification Information > + >                 image name: "MOZILLA-BIN"03 >                 image file identification: "V1.0"o5 >                 image file build identification: "" 9 >                 link date/time:  9-OCT-2000 19:52:48.39p1 >                 linker identification: "A11-47"  >  > I've found 2 bugs:J > 1. The program crashes if you got to a page like http://www.java.sun.com >    In the release notes: > P > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/mozilla_relnotes.html#notes >    is written: >  >    Java Support in Mozilla< >    Q: Why is there no Java support in Mozilla for OpenVMS?H >    A: Mozilla implements Java using OJI (Open JVM Integration). OJI is > part of JavaD >       Version 1.3, but V1.3 is not yet available on all platforms, > including OpenVMS.G >       As soon as Java Version 1.3 is available on OpenVMS, it will bei > supported in >       Mozilla. > ! >    Advantages of using OJI are: > >       Multiple Java Virtual Machines (JVMs) can be supported6 >       Upgrading the JVM used by Mozilla is very easy > J > 2. I'm not able to send an e-mail using MOZILLA. The action "Send" givesD >    the alert: "Unable to open the temporary file %200s. Check yourF >    'Temporary Directory' setting and try again." I couldn't find anyF >    information about the definition of this directory. I defined theF >    logicals TEMP and TMP on DCL but it didn't help. I guess it needs >    to be defined in PREFS.JS.k >    This bug is fixed !!!E# The logical TMPDIR was the problem.X  > Deassign TMPDIR, start MOZILLA and e-mail under MOZIILA works.     Regards, -- n  ; ***********************************************************f; *                                                         *y; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *e; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *t; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *n; *  Germany                                                *i; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *l; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *e; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *m; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:05:37 GMTe% From: "P.Lj" <plj@byron.ext.telia.se>  Subject: OpenVMS 7.2-1H12 Message-ID: <3A194C7F.41300602@byron.ext.telia.se>   Hi,r  C Does anyone have experienced any problem after upgrading to (Alpha)i OpenVMS 7.2-1H1 ?s   /P.LjP   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:16:34 -0600s1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>  Subject: Re: OpenVMS CBT8 Message-ID: <8vbpim$rrr$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  F You might also take a peak at: www.CCSSCorp.com for VMS training info.  K Also, Digital Press at:  www.bh.com has a number of publications related toh VMS.  
 Good luck,   Dave...T    I <dman00@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8va5rk$eft$1@nnrp1.deja.com...0G > We are predominantly an NT shop but will soon be implementing a largecI > OpenVMS system.  We need to get some training and want to start with ankI > introduction to OpenVMS CBT.  Can anyone make a recomendation for this?V >  > Thanks, Dennis >d >r( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:53:26 GMTc From: kparris@my-deja.comVI Subject: Re: OpenVMS v7.2-1 - Gigabit ethernet connectivty to a CISCO5505r) Message-ID: <8vboei$lt7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n   andrew7022@my-deja.com wrote:y3 > I am trying to conect an OpenVMS v7.2-1 system to 2 > a Gigabit ethernet network, but it does not seem3 > to to synchronise with the CISCO 5505 switch. Hasc1 > anybody had any experience here on what how then) > switch, or OpenVMS must be configured ?o  F I'm using 7.2-1H1 connected to Cisco Catalyst 6500-series switches and it's working fine.  0 > I tried disabling autonegotiation - set SYSGEN0 > LAN_FLAGS to 32, but this did not seem to have > much affect.  E In my cluster, we had Gigabit Ethernet up and running and then I readsG that information in the 7.2-1H1 release notes and set that bit, only tosF find that it actually caused my Gigabit adapters to stop working, so I4 set it back to 0, and then it started working again.G -----------------------------------------------------------------------eG Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.f   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2000 16:45:09 GMT From: Jake Luck <av2k@10k.org># Subject: sending BREAK to a sessionwD Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011201135020.2704-100000@matrix.10k.org>  E So there I was, a DECServer 700 connected to a stack of headless unixr1 boxes as a console mux, looks somewhat like this.           +------------+c*        |server 1    +--------------------+*        +------------+                    |*        +------------+                    |*        |server 2    +--------------+     |*        +------------+              |     |*        +------------+              |     |*        |server 3    +-------+      |     |*        +------------+       |      |     |-              +--------------+------+-----+-++)-              |              5      6     7  |--              | DECServer 700                |t-              +------------------++----------+i  G I set up LAT services for each one of the ports and connect to them viaeH the "connect service_name" in the "Local>" prompt. However, when I triedD sending a "BREAK" to the actual port(via the ~ key), the TERM serverE intercepted the command and puts me back i the "Local>" prompt. BeingsE unseasoned in DEC anthology, I was wondering if anyone can comment ont4 some of the conventions. So how would one go either:  E 1) send a break to the port without getting escaped to the local modeh 	or E 2) send a suspended "session" a BREAK signal from within the terminal     local prompt?   Thanks much for your wisdom.   Jake   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:15:32 GMTT= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)"' Subject: Re: sending BREAK to a sessiona0 Message-ID: <009F3674.0ACA7F60@SendSpamHere.ORG>  e In article <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011201135020.2704-100000@matrix.10k.org>, Jake Luck <av2k@10k.org> writes:: >2F >So there I was, a DECServer 700 connected to a stack of headless unix2 >boxes as a console mux, looks somewhat like this. >$ >       +------------++ >       |server 1    +--------------------+n+ >       +------------+                    |s+ >       +------------+                    |e+ >       |server 2    +--------------+     | + >       +------------+              |     |v+ >       +------------+              |     |i+ >       |server 3    +-------+      |     | + >       +------------+       |      |     |w. >             +--------------+------+-----+-++. >             |              5      6     7  |. >             | DECServer 700                |. >             +------------------++----------+ > H >I set up LAT services for each one of the ports and connect to them viaI >the "connect service_name" in the "Local>" prompt. However, when I triedhE >sending a "BREAK" to the actual port(via the ~ key), the TERM serverlF >intercepted the command and puts me back i the "Local>" prompt. BeingF >unseasoned in DEC anthology, I was wondering if anyone can comment on                    ^^^^^^^^^ ??? a collection of writings?e    5 >some of the conventions. So how would one go either:  >nF >1) send a break to the port without getting escaped to the local mode >	or nF >2) send a suspended "session" a BREAK signal from within the terminal >   local prompt?- >  >Thanks much for your wisdom.  >0 >Jakem  1 Log into the terminal server and use the command:N   DEFINE | SET    | PORT <n> BREAK REMOTE CHANGE |   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.h   ------------------------------   Date: 20 Nov 2000 18:14:47 GMT From: Jake Luck <av2k@10k.org>' Subject: Re: sending BREAK to a sessionOD Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.21.0011201248070.2852-100000@matrix.10k.org>  H > >intercepted the command and puts me back i the "Local>" prompt. BeingH > >unseasoned in DEC anthology, I was wondering if anyone can comment on >                    ^^^^^^^^^ > ??? a collection of writings?r  " 	a collection of documentations :)  7 > >some of the conventions. So how would one go either:tH > >1) send a break to the port without getting escaped to the local modeH > >2) send a suspended "session" a BREAK signal from within the terminal > >   local prompt?O > >R3 > Log into the terminal server and use the command:F > 
 > DEFINE |  > SET    | PORT <n> BREAK REMOTE
 > CHANGE |   Thank you VAXman:b  ' It still doesn't seem to do the trick. S3 After the "change Port 7 break remote", it shows as   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Port  7: (Remote)                      Server: LAT_08002B962036s  F Character Size:            8           Input Speed:               9600F Flow Control:            XON           Output Speed:              9600F Parity:                 None           Modem Control:         Disabled7 Stop Bits:           Dynamic                           n  F Access:               Remote           Local Switch:              NoneF Backwards Switch:       None           Name:                    PORT_7F Break:                Remote           Session Limit:                4F Forwards Switch:        None           Type:                      AnsiF Default Protocol:        LAT           Default Menu:              None   Preferred Service: Noneu   Authorized Groups:   0 (Current)  Groups:   0   Enabled Characteristics:I Autobaud,  Autoprompt,  Broadcast,  Failover,  Input Flow Control,  Lock, F Loss Notification,  Message Codes,  Output Flow Control,  VerificationH ------------------------------------------------------------------------   and my services is    ' ---------------------------------------7 Local> show services mcons charg   Service: MCONS Identification:  Ports: 7
 Rating: 90 Enabled Characteristics:   	Connections, Queue(' ---------------------------------------   9 Still, when i type "~", it snaps me to the Local> prompt.n  H Could this be because I am performing all this on the virtual console byC telneting to port 23 of the DECServer 700? Is the "~" key in telnetn$ correctly remapped to the BREAK key?  D A second note, I also have Telnet Listeners setup on port 2007 whichI directs to port 7. I notice the even if I do "set port 7 break disabled". H I was still able to do telnet to port 2007, ^], "send break" to signal a9 break down the port, but that is another issue on itself.3  I In addition, would it be possible to map 2 keys, one to send the break toI4 the port line, and one to drop to the Local> prompt?    
 thank you.   Jake   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:14:10 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailedi) Message-ID: <3A190782.F1DFBEB@uk.sun.com>h   Fred Kleinsorge wrote: > " > What a poor excuse for a "rule". >   = If you don't like the rule then direct your criticism to Arne  who devised it.     H > My experience with your threads generally lead me to believe that yourI > knowledge is a block wide and an inch deep.  You are certainly buzzword L > compatable, and know where to find lots of benchmark data dejur.  But whenN > pinned down on specific technical issues you either clam up, or redirect the' > discussion to previous "discussions".= >   H Really, for example I don't claim to be an OpenVMS cluster expert, I do H however claim to know a lot about UNIX clusters, I should I developed a E HA cluster for SunOS and later for Solaris. And to augment my lack of- OpenVMS-G cluster experience I have the benefit of sitting next to a collegue whoc; was an OpenVMS cluster expert before he jumped ship to Sun.i  A So I am well placed to say with certainty that people are talking 	 B***S***T3D then they make incorrect comparisons between what is possible with a UNIXB cluster and what is possible with an OpenVMS cluster because they E generally don't appear to have much of a clue about the capabilities hF of UNIX clusters or for that matter what you can do at an applications5 level to make applications services highly available.y  N > I don't claim to be a database expert, nor am I pretentious enough to appendL > "Architect" to my signature.  However, I've designed and written plenty ofF > operating system code, designed parts of the underpinnings of GalaxyN > (complete with a number of patents pending), written more device driver codeH > that I would like, worked with Alpha CPU and IO chip designers for newH > systems, and  have 22+ years experience in computers, programming, andK > engineering. My title (Consulting Software Engineer, or I guess as we nowaL > call it at Compaq "Senior Member of Technical Staff") required a corporateJ > board approval of my credentials and experience - so I "think" I can say > that I am technical. >   D So you are technical as well, I don't remember ever suggesting that  you wern't.a  D But I am very intrigued because the reasons why I objected to Rob's C postings (Spiralog, WildFire) etc is that I am technical and I have B seen too many "Technical" white papers like the Spiralog/WildFire A architecture papers to be convinced by what were obviously works o- that had had some marketing input into them. t  F When you have for example a paper that compares "IDLE latency" without? defining what IDLE latency is (is it lmbench etc) then you as ab
 technical ) person can smell the work of a marketeer.o  H So I am supprised that you appear to be defending Rob since all he seemsG to have done is missread and reproduced source information which had intH turn too much marketing input into it to be a credible technical source.  H > I think Sun is a fine company.  I have friends (former co-workers) whoM > actually do O/S work there.  I think they compete well with what they have,iN > and in many ways I envy them because they have resources to do things that IM > *know* we could do better if we had just a few more people.  They have beenaK > able to make silk purses out of pigs ears for years, and sell them in theo1 > face of better systems from many other vendors.w > N > The cache design for a high-reliable large scale system was just plain poor.N > There isn't much excuse for it, and there isn't much spin to put on it otherJ > than to say "We have a fix, here it is" and "We'll make sure we don't toM > this again".  A background memory "scrubber" isn't a fix, it just increases-K > marginally the MTBF.  You really need to hack up a mirrored cache or somehK > other kludge for the current HW.  But hey, UNIX is new to the business ofDM > 24x376 and so this isn't really a huge sin, you're just learning.  Tru64 iswH > lucky in many respects, since they get the benefit of the 25+ years of? > system engineering experience that gave VMS it's reliability.r >   > Interesting, you accuse me of being non-technical and then you; start sounding very like Kerry, I am sure that wasn't what y you really intended !!  C In case you are wondering where this started happening it was your o@ phrase "increases marginally the MTBF". Now it depends what you A mean by increases marginally but a 5-7 x increase in MTBF is not AD what I would call marginal but then being non-technical I would not  know would I :):):).     Regardse Andrew Harrisonm Enterprise IT Architectv   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:16:32 +0000i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed.* Message-ID: <3A190810.22A6BA1A@uk.sun.com>   "Ebinger . Eric" wrote:d >  > > -----Original Message-----( > > From: woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com+ > > [mailto:woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com]1A > > Our new Origin3000 systems are selling very well (our biggest  > > problem is getting@ > > enough ASICs to meet sales demand). Just lookup SGI on yahoo > > and you will see@ > > some press releases of customers buying large numbers of big > > systems - I guess they= > > obviously don't have your insight into the future and howo  > > they should really be buying > > Compaq systems.  > >r > : > Well I looked up SGI on Yahoo and what I found there was4 > SGI's quarterly report that indicated that SGI had5 > an operating loss of $94 million on revenue of $426 8 > million (that's a loss equal to 22% of their revenue). > 4 > That sounds like SGI is certainly heading down the4 > Cray road.  Good luck on turning things around.  I6 > certainly won't celebrate SGI's demise but I believe. > there is reason to question SGI's ability to
 > survive. >   # Blimey and people accuse me of FUD.    Pots, black calling    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2000 07:18:56 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) 7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailedd* Message-ID: <8vb4rg$dg2$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <3A190810.22A6BA1A@uk.sun.com>,2 andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >"Ebinger . Eric" wrote: >> n >> > -----Original Message-----i) >> > From: woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.como, >> > [mailto:woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com]B >> > Our new Origin3000 systems are selling very well (our biggest >> > problem is getting*A >> > enough ASICs to meet sales demand). Just lookup SGI on yahoo  >> > and you will seeoA >> > some press releases of customers buying large numbers of bigt >> > systems - I guess theyp> >> > obviously don't have your insight into the future and how! >> > they should really be buying  >> > Compaq systems. >> > >>  ; >> Well I looked up SGI on Yahoo and what I found there was 5 >> SGI's quarterly report that indicated that SGI had 6 >> an operating loss of $94 million on revenue of $4269 >> million (that's a loss equal to 22% of their revenue).  >>  5 >> That sounds like SGI is certainly heading down the 5 >> Cray road.  Good luck on turning things around.  I 7 >> certainly won't celebrate SGI's demise but I believe*/ >> there is reason to question SGI's ability to- >> survive.  >>   >,$ >Blimey and people accuse me of FUD. >< >Pots, black calling   >u  9 I can't find any examples of Eric accusing you of FUD.  Ae9 typical ploy of yours is to blame all of us for somethingo7 that any one of us did.  It's not at all fair, but thatP clearly is not your goal.-  = In any case, you ignore completely the essential element that < makes FUD objectionable is that it's targetted at customers.  8 It's difficult to see how Eric was directing this at SGI
 customers.   >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   -Jordan Hendersona jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:42:12 +0000 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detaileds* Message-ID: <3A192A34.7F467E81@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > _ > In article <3A141510.45B33BCB@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:k >  > >e@ > > Could well be true. I wonder why, could it have been because5 > > he was found out over all the previous boosting ?- > >-: > > Where does that put your support for him ? interesting= > > moral dilemma, you appear to be trying to support someone > > > who in your own words appears to be conducting a personnal> > > crusade because he got caught out. Or does Rob have higher > > motives. > >V > K >         Come on Andrew.  We have been going back and forth for at least 5 K >         years.  Probably 5 and a half.  In fact, I still have a number ofrH >         the back and forths that you and I and Adrian Cockcroft postedP >         from June 1996.  Back when you still signed off as being in marketing.H >         I haven't been caught in anything other than believing productC >         directions from what I read that is publically available.  >   B So Rob when did you begin the Spiralog boosting. Was it 1997-1996  seems about right to me.   Funny coincidence isn't it.a  D And I have never signed myself off as being in marketing I have saidD that I was seconded as an engineer to product marketing for 3 monthsA as part of a "lets see what other people in the company do" type g of program.g    C >         You however are little more than a revisionist historian.,H >         Are you ABSOLUTELY positive you didn't co-invent the Internet? >   ; What breath taking cheek, you are the person who predicted e< confidently but as it turns out completely incorrectly about? on a whole series of absolutely key Compaq technical milestones1 over the last 5 years. t  ; You then dismiss your past mistakes as you being "a little s ahead of the curve".   Let me remind you. x  D You were totally wrong about Spiralogs capabilities, its performance( and it impact on OpenVMS TPM throughput.  F You pre-announced the WildFire 2 years or so before it actaully becameG available, you said that it would whip Sun/HP and everyone elses arses, F you predicted Performance and CPU counts that have never materialised  etc etc.  9 You pre announced the availability of 21264 by 18 months.|  F You announced that Sybase and Oracle were really interested in OpenVMSH because of Galaxies, you also suggested that this was a public possition6 on their part. None of this turned out to be the case.  B And you try to spin these and many more boosts as being "slightly  ahead of the curve". i  A And as if this isn't bad enough you have now published "details" e< of the Marvel systems. What will your excuse be for this if " they don't turn out to be true ???      O >         Regarding my motives?  I just find it quite entertaining to catch youo) >         in your little made up stories:n > @ > http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/getdoc.xp?AN=560066039&fmt=text > D > From: Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>, > Subject: Re: The Sun fails to shine.......  > Date: 13 Dec 1999 00:00:00 GMT >  > > >-: > > > So, you're saying, the problems will never be fixed? > > >  > >mM > > Nope, far be it from me to make that kind of claim. On the other hand, itt2 > > appears that Sun has some issues to deal with. > D > The problems refered to in the Register aren't exactly news unlessB > old news is news and they have been rectified. The UltraSPARC IIE > 400/4 MB cache issues were rectified though the point is not really A > relevant since Sun on longer ships 400/4 MB modules the current 0 > module is 400/8 MB and has been for some time. > % >         "They have been rectified."-  G Rob, as I said in a previous posting, the SRAM supplier Sun used at the B time claimed to have rectified the problem with their SRAM and Sun shipped H new SRAM parts in the 400 Mhz 8 MB cache modules which were supposed to @ fix the problem, they did not and we now use a different vendor.  D What is really interesting about this discussion is that you want meD to say that I was wrong when I said "they have been rectified" when B I was basing my response on the information Sun had been given by < our eCache supplier. So we got it wrong and thats my excuse.  G But whats yours, being ahead of the curve Rob frankly does not cut it, uI perhaps your sources in Digital misslead you !! perhaps you missread the  F "white papers". Which was it ? what is your excuse ? you have misslead thisD group over issues which are after all rather more important to them D than Sun's ecache problems. Now this may have been unintentional but? who knows you havn't even had the decency to admit that you gotc? it completely wrong despite the overwhelming evidence that you B2 did. "Ahead of the Curve" is not an admission BTW.  B If I was an OpenVMS/Sybase house for example I would be much more A concerned about the accuracy of your Sybase is really interested  ) in OpenVMS posts than anything about Sun.M  F This is comp.os.vms, don't you think its important that people postingD "facts" about OpenVMS on this group should at least get some of them right.  @ Perhaps your motivation is to try to recover lost credibility by? doing a good job of FUDDING Sun in an attonement for your past B sins. :):)     Regardsg Andrew Harrison. Enterprise IT Architect0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:44:03 +0000c0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed * Message-ID: <3A192AA3.DE55B6DC@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > C > Heck, I'm pretty sure Andrew was posting in here when I was stilloF > working at my first employer.  That would put it back to 1995 or so,H > possibly earlier than that.  Now, I could be mis-remembering, but I doH > know that his drudge has been festering in this group for quite a long > time.e > % > Andrew, do you remember Carl Lydic?P >    No  > I have heard of him, he was refered to recently in some posts.   Why who is/was he.   Regards  Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:25:25 +0000o0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailedp* Message-ID: <3A193455.638E4A89@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:t > , > In article <3A190810.22A6BA1A@uk.sun.com>,4 > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >"Ebinger . Eric" wrote: > >>! > >> > -----Original Message----- + > >> > From: woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com . > >> > [mailto:woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com]D > >> > Our new Origin3000 systems are selling very well (our biggest > >> > problem is getting C > >> > enough ASICs to meet sales demand). Just lookup SGI on yahoo  > >> > and you will seetC > >> > some press releases of customers buying large numbers of bige > >> > systems - I guess theyG@ > >> > obviously don't have your insight into the future and how# > >> > they should really be buyingl > >> > Compaq systems. > >> > > >>= > >> Well I looked up SGI on Yahoo and what I found there wasa7 > >> SGI's quarterly report that indicated that SGI had-8 > >> an operating loss of $94 million on revenue of $426; > >> million (that's a loss equal to 22% of their revenue).a > >>7 > >> That sounds like SGI is certainly heading down then7 > >> Cray road.  Good luck on turning things around.  I-9 > >> certainly won't celebrate SGI's demise but I believet1 > >> there is reason to question SGI's ability toe
 > >> survive.o > >> > >h& > >Blimey and people accuse me of FUD. > >r > >Pots, black calling > >  > ; > I can't find any examples of Eric accusing you of FUD.  A ; > typical ploy of yours is to blame all of us for somethingw9 > that any one of us did.  It's not at all fair, but thatt > clearly is not your goal.t >   * Did I say that Eric had accused me of FUD.  6 If I had I would have said "you" instead of "people".     ? > In any case, you ignore completely the essential element thato> > makes FUD objectionable is that it's targetted at customers. >a  5 Humm, so there are no possible SGI customers on this - group.   : > It's difficult to see how Eric was directing this at SGI > customers. >   8 How so, don't you think that an email suggesting that a 7 company is in dire straits which is read by a customer  5 of that company might not cause the same customer to "$ have some anxiety about the company.  / That is what FUD is according to your "carefull 
 definition". e   Regardsi Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architecte   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:12:50 +0100y6 From: "Martin Knoblauch" <martin.knoblauch@compaq.com>7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailedi6 Message-ID: <8vbf2d$b87$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in messagel$ news:3A193455.638E4A89@uk.sun.com... > Jordan Henderson wrote:l > >o >oA > > In any case, you ignore completely the essential element thatr@ > > makes FUD objectionable is that it's targetted at customers. > >s > 6 > Humm, so there are no possible SGI customers on this > group. >   K  given the widely different  application focus of SGI/IRIX vs. COMPAQ/VMS I L would assume much less potential SGI customers here than potential COMPAQ or even SUN customers.t  I  If the statement would have been made on c.s.s.* the target audience forVI SGI FUD would be much higher. And the reactions to it much more poisonousu :-)   < > > It's difficult to see how Eric was directing this at SGI > > customers. > >s >e9 > How so, don't you think that an email suggesting that a 8 > company is in dire straits which is read by a customer6 > of that company might not cause the same customer to& > have some anxiety about the company. >p1 > That is what FUD is according to your "carefulln > definition". >c  -  not many here that have cried "foul" so far.n   Martin   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2000 10:47:48 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)s7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed.* Message-ID: <8vbh34$pld$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <3A193455.638E4A89@uk.sun.com>,2 andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >Jordan Henderson wrote: >> a- >> In article <3A190810.22A6BA1A@uk.sun.com>,h5 >> andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  >> >"Ebinger . Eric" wrote:i >> >> " >> >> > -----Original Message-----, >> >> > From: woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com/ >> >> > [mailto:woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com] E >> >> > Our new Origin3000 systems are selling very well (our biggesth >> >> > problem is gettingD >> >> > enough ASICs to meet sales demand). Just lookup SGI on yahoo >> >> > and you will seeD >> >> > some press releases of customers buying large numbers of big >> >> > systems - I guess theyA >> >> > obviously don't have your insight into the future and hows$ >> >> > they should really be buying >> >> > Compaq systems.t >> >> >a >> >> > >> >> Well I looked up SGI on Yahoo and what I found there was8 >> >> SGI's quarterly report that indicated that SGI had9 >> >> an operating loss of $94 million on revenue of $426 < >> >> million (that's a loss equal to 22% of their revenue). >> >>)8 >> >> That sounds like SGI is certainly heading down the8 >> >> Cray road.  Good luck on turning things around.  I: >> >> certainly won't celebrate SGI's demise but I believe2 >> >> there is reason to question SGI's ability to >> >> survive. >> >>e >> >' >> >Blimey and people accuse me of FUD., >> > >> >Pots, black callingo >> > >> s< >> I can't find any examples of Eric accusing you of FUD.  A< >> typical ploy of yours is to blame all of us for something: >> that any one of us did.  It's not at all fair, but that >> clearly is not your goal. >> a >x+ >Did I say that Eric had accused me of FUD.o > 7 >If I had I would have said "you" instead of "people".   >j  < The point is that Eric cannot be accused of hypocrisy, which> is the typical reading of "a pot calling the kettle black", as> he may very well admit to be one who spreads FUD and he didn't1 say anything about whether you spread FUD or not.u   >w@ >> In any case, you ignore completely the essential element that? >> makes FUD objectionable is that it's targetted at customers.a >> >r6 >Humm, so there are no possible SGI customers on this  >group.n >   > I suppose there's some chance, although we've only really seen> evidence that an SGI employee reads here, there's certainly a > good chance that there're _some_ SGI customers also.  However,E if he really wanted to spread FUD, he might have copied comp.sys.mipsxB (or whatever).  Surely, had he said the above in private email, it@ could hardly be called FUD.  In a group that one might expect to= be read by mostly VMS users, one might feel that one can say -8 things like this without being accused of spreading FUD.  C It's something of a slippery slope, I suppose.  What Eric did mightf= be called FUD by some people.  However, when you consistentlyAD spread negative statements about a product in a group devoted to theE discussion of that product, it can hardly be called anything else butsI FUD.  It's really difficult to see this as an example of a "Pot calling alA kettle black."  This kind of treatment would normally be reservedlF for someone who is more guilty than someone else making a hypocriticalC criticism.  While you _might_ be able to look at what Eric is doing 6 is FUD, it's completely clear that what you do is FUD.  ; >> It's difficult to see how Eric was directing this at SGIq
 >> customers.r >>   >e9 >How so, don't you think that an email suggesting that a G8 >company is in dire straits which is read by a customer 6 >of that company might not cause the same customer to % >have some anxiety about the company.r >n0 >That is what FUD is according to your "carefull >definition".  >y  > Really, Andrew, I normally avoid spelling flames, but this one& is just to funny to ignore any longer.  C The word is careful, "carefull" is not an alternate spelling in theaB US or the UK, as far as I can tell.  Here's a mnemonic to help youA out "Careless Andrew relates endless FUD unless lambasted."  Glad- I could help!  :-) :-)  @ Oh, by the way, while we're on the subject of being careful, I'mB still waiting for your evidence that I've been using the term FUD  inconsistently.@   >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:24:53 -0500-5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>a7 Subject: Re: Severity of eBay's ecache problem detailed3, Message-ID: <8vbq97$c5u1$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  A andrew harrison wrote in message <3A190782.F1DFBEB@uk.sun.com>...J >Fred Kleinsorge wrote:  >># >> What a poor excuse for a "rule".e >> >o> >If you don't like the rule then direct your criticism to Arne >who devised it. >y    K Quoting someones personal "rule" doesn't make it so.  If you have some beefnI with Rob, take it up with him.  He doesn't work for Compaq.  Rob is a bitwA "enthusiastic", probably more so that a Compaq employee would be.aJ Nonetheless, we appreciate the fact that he is excited about the directionK of OpenVMS.  We are less than thrilled with someone without basic knowledge J of OpenVMS wasting time and bandwidth doing little more than marketing FUD for Sun.  G As to Kerry, he isn't in marketing.  He is an employee in the field who L works with customers, and with customers systems for a living.  I can assureJ you that he is technical.  However, in the position he is in, he must alsoB keep up-to-date on the competition, and he works directly in salesI opportunuties.  Which puts him in a good position to counter FUD like thei stuff purveyed by you.  I Rather than reposting a point-by-point response, answer me the following:t  @ 1)  Please give us the abridged version of your background.  You "implemented a HA I      cluser".  What does that mean?  You deployed one at a customer site?r
 Or did youJ      write the OS code for SunOS and Solaris "HA Clusters" - whatever that is?-  K  2) What exactly is a "Enterprise IT Architect"?  Is this a real job title?o What exactly dou6       you do for a living?  Are a direct Sun employee?  L A "5-7x" increase in MBTF is nothing more than a band-aid "My system crashesG every couple months instead of every couple weeks" - isn't much to bragsF about.  Im my opinion, 7x times the unacceptable original time doesn'tF achieve an acceptable result - and thus in my opinion, it's a marginalG increase.  Especially when statistically the crash will happen randomlysL during that period, that is, no reboot, power cycle or other user action canL push the failure off to a specific minimum time.  You just have to live withK a random catestrophic event every so many months, at an unpredictable time.o  H While it sounds like marketing, it isn't.  The Alpha Server systems wereI designed by people who have the benefit of many years of building systems G for the VMS market, where customers expect to have systems that run for - *years* without a reboot - let alone a crash.f  I The fact that you are even arguing that the cache design is OK, that it'shJ just a SDRAM part problem, and that the memory scrubber is a "fix" - showsL that you simply aren't playing in the same market - or you are clueless - or/ you are performing a marketing triage function.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:28:06 +0000i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugherr* Message-ID: <3A18FCB6.8DBEE6C4@uk.sun.com>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:r >  > Hello, > B > Andrew, you wrote that you do not need to reboot the Sun SolarisF > OS after installing new software, or patch existing software. That'sG > not our experience. After installation of the Sun Ray Server softwarelE > have had to reboot the host twice. First to finish the installationfD > second to after adding the Sun RAYs to the dedicated network. AlsoC > did we see some strange behavior after installing patches withoutaD > reboot. May be in some cases you need not to reboot, or there is a& > trick, that I do not need to reboot. >   , Which Solaris OS release were you running ??   Regards  Andrew Harrisony Enterprise IT Architectu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:48:03 +0000s0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher * Message-ID: <3A192B93.9A03977D@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > 5 > On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 16:55:10 +0000, andrew harrisons# > <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:y > I > >An OPS setup for HA isn't complicated to setup provided you don't want E > >it to scale which for your scenario is unescessary and since I cano
 > >acheiveK > >your limitted definition of HA using OPS why would I bother with OpenVMSaH > >and RDB. Isn't that the problem with your argument, if you can shut aI > >node down "once users have naturally disconnected" then you don't evend > >need a cluster. > B > Why would you bother?  How about so that your ignorance would beH > eliminated and you could actually speak with some authority.  Or don't5 > you really care whether you know what you speak of?a >    Tsk tsk, don't get personalu  C And get with the program, even Kerry has reluctantly admitted underG> questioning from other posters on this group that what you are? arguing is only true in specific circumstances. While Kerry wast> and you still appear to be trying to establish that it is true in a general sense.w  > I havn't run OpenVMS clusters but people who have do not agree> with you. I would suggest you take your argument off-line with2 them, perhaps you know more about it than they do.     Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:31:17 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>T$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears) Message-ID: <3A191995.3066247B@bbc.co.uk>l   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:  P > In article <VA.0000014a.14081d45@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:I > >In article <ZR_M5.11$iB4.10761@news.enterprise.net>, NewsReader wrote:e6 > >> From: "NewsReader" <NewsReader@NotOnYourLife.Com>7 > >> Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,comp.os.vmsu) > >> Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appearsi) > >> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:03:53 -0000a > >>O > >> I contacted Compaq after downloading the patch & not able to install. TheygN > >> said the PCSI kit wasn't available! (that was a week after the TCP/IP ECOQ > >> was released). Now what is the point of releasing a kit we can't install? Top) > >> tease us perhaps... I'm waiting too.  > >>P > >I've been waiting too, albeit I'm only running a hobbyist system, so it isn't > >urgent for me.m > >nP > >I did start exploring the TCPIP kit with a view to doing a manual extraction,6 > >but thought it better to wait for the official fix. > J > The target date (1-nov-2000) for the VAX PCSI ECO kit passed by, and I'mD > still not able to install the ECO 1 for TCPIP V5.0A on my VAXes... >a  $ Thats strange, I managed to download2 DEC-VAXVMS-VMS62TO71_PCSI-V0200--4.PCSI-DCX_VAXEXEP a couple of weeks back, but it was lurking somewhere slightly not obvious on the	 web site.y   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukb  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2000 08:40:32 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)? Subject: Technology of US Cars, was: Technologu of US Elections + Message-ID: <8e4jJP89i0Et@eisner.decus.org>m  [ In article <581c1ts6h89hff1kbhd1d2hgjpjjspmjkp@4ax.com>, jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com> writes:s > F > Hey, I actually OWNED a Corvair when in high school.  I can tell youD > from personal experience that it is not that easy to roll.  I haveD > done 180 and 360 turns, on dry ground (i.e., not ice, not rain) at@ > serious speeds (for a Corvair), and it didn't roll.  Not once.  E What model year was it?  By 1969 when the Corvair was canceled GM had,H fixed most of Nader's complaints.  Many of the fixes had become required law or regulation.  H The simple fact is many of his complaints against the Corvair or similarC problems were seen in almost every car in production at the time heuG wrote his book.  The early Corvair just represented a unique collection-E of easily discussed problems on one platform.  The auto industry as anG whole didn't see designed in safety features as thier responsibility ora# sellable as price raising features.r  G Ralph tried again with Volkswagen, attacking almost every model VW made@D in another book.  Bounced off as people no longer found it novel andD interesting, and thought of foreign car purchases as the appropriate# response to Detroit's shortcomings.e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupsE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:26:41 +0000u0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections * Message-ID: <3A190A71.4924D1E1@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > . > On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 21:09:32 -0400, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:l >  > >Which is more democratic:K > >       -people taking to the streets demanding a recount of THEIR votes,y > >tR > >or     -lawyers arguing in courts whether votes are valid or who has or doesn't > >have jurisdiction to > > >decide how to judge if a vote is punched correctly or not ? > A > Er... OR, people accepting that they were complete dolts by notyE > accepting their own responsiblity to vote correctly the first time.h > E > If you can't handle the instructions, you shouldn't be the deciding F > factor in a vote for the local dogcatcher, much less the presidency. >   = So if you are old, partially sighted, an invalid, someone forc< for whome English isn't a first of even second language etc + etc then you should not be allowed to vote.   9 Why not simply let the intelligent, strong voters decide s7 for everyone else. I am sure this isn't really what youw want.c   Regardst Andrew Harrison. Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:43:12 GMTi% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) ' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsa1 Message-ID: <3a190a11.955497242@news.newsguy.com>F  < On 13 Nov 2000 16:17:56 GMT, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:    J >|> Speaking as a euorpean. I first saw the Palm Beach voting form on the I >|> TV when they frist reported the complaints and I couldn't see how it   >|> was meant to work. e >'B >And yet when one of a local newspapers here passed out copies at C >the local CYC daycare the little kids had no problem figuring out i3 >which way to mark it for any particular candidate.o  ; And lthe same ittle kids can normally work VCRs which theiroB grandparents can't. If my 87 year old grandmother wanted to vote IA would certainly hope she wasn't presented with something like then Florida ballot paper.s   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:51:02 GMTM% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)n' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsM1 Message-ID: <3a190f9a.956913789@news.newsguy.com>o  = On 15 Nov 2000 09:26:59 -0500, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordano Henderson) wrote:      > F >The closest parallel is the 1960 Presidential Election, when Richard B >Nixon decided to conceed rather than fight in order to spare the E >country.  In that election there were many many accusations of voteriE >fraud by Democrats in Illinois and Texas, two states that, had Nixons/ >won them, would have given him the election.     > According to CNN the Republicans only dropped their last legal challenge on December 17th 1960n     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:57:11 GMT0% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)l' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsc1 Message-ID: <3a191043.957083313@news.newsguy.com>   3 On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 16:33:35 +0000, andrew harrisone! <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:n  > >Thats fine but the Bush camp can quite easily demand recounts= >in the other areas where Bush is stronger. But they havn't , : >they have threatened to do so but havn't actually called  >for recounts.  D I've heard that the counting machines in Florida counties with heavy@ Democrat majorities are usually older than those in rich heavilyB Republican counties. The older the machine the more valid votes itD drops. Thus a manual recount statewide would still likely favour the, Democrats. If this is true it is disturbing.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:45:42 GMTg% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig) ' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionst1 Message-ID: <3a1919bd.959509081@news.newsguy.com>u  E On 14 Nov 2000 08:21:18 -0500, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)S wrote:   >In article <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FB5@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes: >$' >> I find it incredible that people aretI >> prepared to accept that counts should be accurate within error limits.e >nE >No one has come up with an error free system, therfor we must accept>H >accuracy to within some error limits.  Normally the systematic error isH >smaller than the difference between the candidates.  Life gets a littleI >more interesting when the systematic error is larger than the differences >between candidates. >mG >If you have a perfect vote tallying system please patent it and marketeE >it to every county in the U.S., I'd hate to see a Microsoft solutiona >come out instead.  F Simple. Manual counting of an X. In the UK manual recounts are usuallyC well within 50 votes.. If the election is closer than this they canjC get the recount differences down to damn near zero after a third ortB fourth recount by simply slowing down. This in a constituency withB 100,000 votes. Any country which has election results that vary byA over a thousand on a machine recount should be ashamed of itself.gF Seems to me its like your NTSC (Never Twice the Same Color). Use earlyE technology and never update. At least you have/had? TINT/HUE controlssB to compensate. Some US live transmissions seen in the UK look likeE clips from Return of the Living Dead. Although this has much improved $ now as the source is often digital.                             --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:06:00 +0000p0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionsy* Message-ID: <3A193DD8.43888791@uk.sun.com>   jlsue wrote: > C > On 15 Nov 2000 16:07:52 GMT, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)s > wrote: > J > >If Bush barely scrapes in, and the popular vote is still overwhelminglyK > >in favour of Gore, and only 1 or 2 electors need to swing over, I'm surei4 > >they will.  They will become Heroes of Democracy. > < > This is simply not true.  The popular vote is nowhere near$ > overwhelmingly in favor of anyone. > F > First, you have a statistical margin of error in any sampling of theE > population, and 200,000 out of 100,000,000 votes is .2%  That ain'tnG > much of a lead from the statistical standpoint, and that is certainly H > withing any standard margin of error for this kind of sampling.  Thus,D > it is just as likely that either candidate could lead in being the$ > favorite of the "real" population. >   F Fine, so at the moment the fate of the US presidency is being decided E by 929 votes in what is it 6 or 9 million which is what 0.00015% wellcE within the bounds of sampling error. Which is why you need to change tB the way the sample has been counted to get a more accurate view of# what votes are in the ballot boxes.   ? > Second, what this also means that either candidate would have ; > basically the same amount of support from the population.a  A So what is your analysis of the Florida vote what you are saying r> basically is that to all intents and purposes the Florida vote9 is split, I know this isn't how it works but perhaps the h< Florida electorial college should give 12 votes to Gore and = 13 votes to Bush he did after all get 929 votes more assuming 7 the recounts do not get added to the total for Florida.t     Regardsc Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architectp   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:35:59 +010056 From: "Martin Knoblauch" <martin.knoblauch@compaq.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections 6 Message-ID: <8vbgdq$bds$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  = "andrew harrison" <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote in messageB$ news:3A193DD8.43888791@uk.sun.com... > jlsue wrote: > >  >rA > > Second, what this also means that either candidate would haver= > > basically the same amount of support from the population.o >nB > So what is your analysis of the Florida vote what you are saying@ > basically is that to all intents and purposes the Florida vote: > is split, I know this isn't how it works but perhaps the= > Florida electorial college should give 12 votes to Gore andc? > 13 votes to Bush he did after all get 929 votes more assumingw9 > the recounts do not get added to the total for Florida.m >n  F  The thought occured to me that King Salomo probably would favour thisJ solution. Whatever the recounting gives, the result is most likely withing> the statistical margin of error. To me that sounds like a tie.   Martin   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:47:23 GMT-/ From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net>  Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenVMSF Message-ID: <fIbS5.50589$3h3.261062@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>  I The easiest way to do this is to connect your console serial port to a toiJ terminal server and create a password protected service that allows you toL dial in on another port and connect to the console line via the lat service.J I have my ES40s connected this way and it works well.  I can do just aboutA anything I need to on the system from home (except swap CD-ROMs).s  L The other thing that this allows me to do is connect to both services from aL PC running Power Term and capture all of the console output to a file.  Kind of a poor man's VCS.   Regards, Toms  6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> wrote in messageH news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052849EC@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net... > John,e >tJ > >> Does anyone know if "console works" from TecSys would help accomplishH > this, assuming there is someone on site that can insert necessary CDs? FromH > the way I understand it, you can emulate the console from a remote web
 > site.<<< >fI > Absolutely. However, although an excellent product, this feature is notpG > unique to ConsoleWorks.  Heroix RoboCentral and other similar consoleu, > management programs would also do the job. >yJ > Here are a few that I know of that should work with any system / product > with a serial console:I > http://www.consoleworks.com/products/consoleworks/consoleworks.htm (has $ > native VMS server version as well)G > http://www.robomon.com/product_detail_robocen.htm (Heroix - NT serveru only)RL > http://www.cai.com/products/commandit.htm (CA product - former VAX Cluster > Console product)' > http://www.ki-inc.com/ki_splitscreen/  > I > In a previous lifetime, we used to occasionally do upgrades from home --G > simply move savesets to disk before leaving work. Having a beer whilea doingoI > an upgrade and watching TV  during installations was always better than13 > drinking machine coffee and working in cubicle...  >  > :-), > 
 > Regards, >  > Kerry Main > Senior Consultantt > Compaq Canada Inc. > Professional Servicest > Voice: 613-592-4660  > Fax  :  819-772-7036 > Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com >o >h > -----Original Message-----6 > From: John Nixon [mailto:jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net]" > Sent: November 19, 2000 11:31 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt  > Subject: Re: Upgrading OpenVMS >t >gG > Does anyone know if "console works" from TecSys would help accomplishs this,nL > assuming there is someone on site that can insert necessary CDs?  From theJ > way I understand it, you can emulate the console from a remote web site. >n? > "Randy K. Gullick" <rgullick@mindspring.com> wrote in message ) > news:G2IR5.18372$2i6.87037@news1.atl...rJ > > I need to upgrade an existing 6.2 1H-3 system to 7.2 and the system isH > > remote.  I have access via telnet or driving several hours away.  In	 > lookingvI > > thru the Upgrade chapter it only references upgrading by booting fromy the  > CD" > > adn thus being at the console. > >uK > > Is there any way that the upgrade can be run via telnet while the OS issG > > running or other solutions that allow for a remote install would be  > > appreciated. > >w > > Randy Gullickd > >  > >  > >t >p >l >w   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:42:01 +0000l0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: USB PORT * Message-ID: <3A190E09.A2C39A5F@uk.sun.com>   mweston5848@my-deja.com wrote: > F > I own a Compaq Presario 7360. I am a novice to computers. Can anyoneJ > tell me whether this computer has a USB port? How can I tell? Thank you. > Michael Weston > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.h     Look on the back.p  ; USB ports are labeled with a symbol that looks like a tree c: with an arrow as the center trunk and two smaller branches coming out on either side.      |--.s	 .------->       |_.     Regards  Andrew Harrisono Enterprise IT Architecty   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:01:54 GMTo From: jeffmoss@my-deja.com$ Subject: VS-3100 with RX33 attached?) Message-ID: <8vbhtd$fq7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  A I'm supporting several dozen VS-2000s in the field with RX33 5.25 B inch floppy dirves in them.  All my in house VS-2000s have died of@ hard disk failure. (They had ST-251s in them.)  But I still haveD at least six VS-3100s left.  So I'd like to pull the RX23 (3.5 inch)B out of one of them and put in an RX33.  I tried just switching theB drives but the 3100 still thinks the RX33 is an RX23.  Even at the triple chevron prompt.  ) Is this possable or am I wasting my time?u  !                 Thanks in advancep                    Jeff Moss    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2000 10:56:31 -06003 From: rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal (Roger Ivie)E( Subject: Re: VS-3100 with RX33 attached?> Message-ID: <slrn91im3j.164f.rivie@server.newlogan.teraglobal>  E In article <8vbhtd$fq7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jeffmoss@my-deja.com wrote: B >I'm supporting several dozen VS-2000s in the field with RX33 5.25C >inch floppy dirves in them.  All my in house VS-2000s have died oftA >hard disk failure. (They had ST-251s in them.)  But I still have E >at least six VS-3100s left.  So I'd like to pull the RX23 (3.5 inch)dC >out of one of them and put in an RX33.  I tried just switching theeC >drives but the 3100 still thinks the RX33 is an RX23.  Even at the1 >triple chevron prompt.A   It depends.o  = If you are plugging the floppy into the hard disk/SCSI/floppyn8 controller of a VAXstation, I don't think it's possible.  = If your floppy drive is connected to a SCSI floppy controller,8 which is, in turn, connected to one of the SCSI ports of< the VAXstation, you can. The SCSI floppy controller uses the< drive select to which the floppy drive responds to determine= whether the driver is an RX23, RX33, or RX26. You'll probablye: have trouble reading RX50s as there were arguments between: VMS and the SCSI floppy firmware about who was responsible8 for the software interleave used on RX50s that were only5 resolved in the most recent versions of the firmware.r -- s
 Roger Ivie% TeraGlobal Communications Corporationh& 1770 North Research Park Way Suite 100 Logan, UT 84341  mailto:rivie@teraglobal.com  phoneto:(435)787-05553 faxto:(435)787-0516n    > -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----A http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!e> -----==  Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----   ------------------------------    Date: 20 Nov 2000 12:21:58 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)T Subject: Re: [FREEWARE] MAILBOX : MIME-enabled user-friendly mail client for OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <YEG54a7Nw4GI@eisner.decus.org>j  > In article <8v5vk4$6pk$1@news5.isdnet.net>, "Patrick LE QUERE"% <patrick@NOSPAM.lequere.net> writes:  
 > Hi all,  >  s# > Announcing MAILBOX for OpenVMS ! e >   G    OK, tried it.  OpenVMS Alpha 7.2-1, Multinet 4.3A, DEC 3000 M600S on <    an ODS-5 disk with DCL extended parsing enabled.  PatchesF    VMS721_SYS-V0100, VMS721_ACRTL-V0200, and prerequisites installed. C    DEC C argument case preservation and file name case preservatione    enabled.   
    Some bugs:   E    1) every time I try to save an attachment I get a 1 block file ando:       "Could not process attachment, Disk quota exceeded",:       disk quotas are disabled (no quota.sys in [000000]),G       there is plenty of disk space (I've extracted the same attachmenty+       via other means after trying MAILBOX)e  J    2) can't find equivalent to MAIL SET FILE command (to change to a mail E       file other than MAIL.MAI, I have some folders in a second file).    1      Some kinks:  G    1) you might consider moving the English language link to the top ofiH       the French page, I was running through babelfish before I found it  F    2) when I downloaded RESET_BACKUP.COM via Netscape 3.0 Gold it cameC       out with embedded <CR> which caused a file name syntax error, &       set file/attr=rfm:stm fixed this  F    3) the welcome and other messages are in English (how did you know,F       VMSINSTAL default?), but I see Dossier instead of Folder when I        open a folderi  H    4) opening the folder list or the folder is slow (12 folders pointingC       to a total of 290 files, not very many messages saved withoutl       external files)e  H    5) seems like X is exit everywhere except the top menu, where Quit isE       used in violation of it's usual sense in VMS (generally EXIT istD       SAVE changes and QUIT, QUIT is get out without saving changes)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationn= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:10:26 GMT4% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)12 Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]1 Message-ID: <3a1920fd.961365500@news.newsguy.com>s  ; On Wed, 15 Nov 2000 19:19:41 -0500, Glenn and Mary Everhartt <Everhart@gce.com> wrote:d    > >rejected ballots" do not exist. They are entirely normal both9 >historically and within this election. Palm Beach countye> >had 14,000 invalid ballots in 1996 with a much lower turnout.  @ The fact that the ballot in Palm Beach was confusing in previous? elections does not justify saying "tought that's the way it is"c  B It does make me wonder why the dozey local Democrats didn't noticeD before that they had far more invalid ballots than almost everywhere else. = >Another one reported this time, that Gore did not count, had2? >28,000 invalid ballots. The Gore people simply have publicised    Isn't that being recounted now?i  ? >the hell out of the invalid ballots and so on in counties theyo; >carried, but fine-toothing only those counties and not ther; >rest has the effect of making them more important than thed< >rest; it effectively disenfranchises the rest of the state.  E Gore offered to recount the entire State. Bush declined. I realy hopeeC it isn't true that (in Florida) machines in poor Democrat areas arenF older than machines in affluent Republican ones and have a higher rateF of missing valid votes. The Democrats don['t seem to have claimed thisF publically yet but I have heard it suggested. Can anyone confirm/deny?     --
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