1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 21 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 651       Contents:# Re: "It was 142 years ago today..." # Re: "It was 142 years ago today..."  AUDIT 	 Re: AUDIT 	 Re: AUDIT ; BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port  Re: Connecting a CD-writer..  Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer  Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer  RE: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer" Encore! Encore! news2mail problems& Re: Encore! Encore! news2mail problems& Re: Encore! Encore! news2mail problems& Re: Encore! Encore! news2mail problems& Re: Encore! Encore! news2mail problems Enterprise Toolkit Problem) Re: Looking for RJ45-to-ThinWire adapter. ) Re: Looking for RJ45-to-ThinWire adapter. ' NovaGlobal Ending Their AlphaSTORM Line  Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1H1  Re: OpenVMS CBT  RE: OpenVMS CBT ! Re: OpenVMS certification exam... ! Re: OpenVMS certification exam... ! Re: OpenVMS certification exam...  Re: remote DECWindows  RE: remote DECWindows  Re: Reset file version number? Re: Reset file version number? Re: sending BREAK to a session Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears  Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears  Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears  RE: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US elections+ VAX 4000 SCSI mishandling termination power  RE: VS-3100 with RX33 attached?  RE: VS-3100 with RX33 attached?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:43:15 +0100  From: MIP <mip@hdc.hha.dk>, Subject: Re: "It was 142 years ago today..."0 Message-ID: <003401c0538e$b5508b70$b0cbe282@mip>   ----- Original Message -----. From: "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@MINDSPRING.COM> To: <INFO-VAX@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> ) Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 4:18 AM , Subject: Re: "It was 142 years ago today..."    G > In article <8v455f$561$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com>  wrote: >  > >Couldn't resist it. >  > Wish I'd noticed it. > -- > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!" >  Hope5     $ write sys$output f$file("any_good_file", "BDT")  dont say      17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00   :)       - mikael   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:49:07 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>, Subject: Re: "It was 142 years ago today..."> Message-ID: <hshubs-6C4C6A.11490721112000@news.mindspring.com>  F In article <003401c0538e$b5508b70$b0cbe282@mip>, MIP <mip@hdc.hha.dk>  wrote:   >Hope 6 >    $ write sys$output f$file("any_good_file", "BDT")	 >dont say  >     17-NOV-1858 00:00:00.00    Not on -my- systems!!    --  G "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:07:06 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br  Subject: AUDITL Message-ID: <OFB94C29DC.FE281B90-ON0325699E.005DC40F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H Do you know how to disable the server option of the breakin class of th= e 
 audit ????  E I am runnng OpenVMS 7.2 and it=B4s not recognizing the SERVER option.    $ SHOW AUDIT    - System security audits currently enabled for:    ACL    Authorization    Audit:         illformed<   Breakin:       dialup,local,remote,network,detached,serverH   Login:         batch,dialup,local,remote,network,subprocess,detached,= serverH   Logfailure:    batch,dialup,local,remote,network,subprocess,detached,= server     When I input the command:   0 $ SET AUDIT/AUDIT/DISABLE=3D(BREAKIN=3D(SERVER))  ) It=B4s not recognizing the SERVER option.   A %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling 
  \SERVER\=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:51:23 +0100 5 From: "philippe bocher" <philippe.bocher@euriware.fr>  Subject: Re: AUDIT& Message-ID: <3a1aa6e3$1@news.euriware>       Seems like a bug     set aud/aud/disa=break=allI     set aud/aud/ena=break=(dialup,console,remote,network,detached)  works $ just fine to disable server class...     ;-)   C <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> a crit dans le message news: A OFB94C29DC.FE281B90-ON0325699E.005DC40F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...     H Do you know how to disable the server option of the breakin class of the
 audit ????  C I am runnng OpenVMS 7.2 and its not recognizing the SERVER option.    $ SHOW AUDIT    - System security audits currently enabled for:    ACL    Authorization    Audit:         illformed<   Breakin:       dialup,local,remote,network,detached,server   Login:< batch,dialup,local,remote,network,subprocess,detached,server
   Logfailure: < batch,dialup,local,remote,network,subprocess,detached,server     When I input the command:   , $ SET AUDIT/AUDIT/DISABLE=(BREAKIN=(SERVER))  ' Its not recognizing the SERVER option.   A %DCL-W-IVKEYW, unrecognized keyword - check validity and spelling 	  \SERVER\    ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 18:10:38 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: AUDIT* Message-ID: <3a1aac8e$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OFB94C29DC.FE281B90-ON0325699E.005DC40F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:I >Do you know how to disable the server option of the breakin class of the  >audit ????  > D >I am runnng OpenVMS 7.2 and it's not recognizing the SERVER option.  $ Seems to be a bug in your DCLTABLES.  L It is there on my OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1 and OpenVMS VAX V7.2 in DCLTABLES.EXEG SETAUDIT.EXE and SHOW.EXE and I therefore can't reproduce your problem.    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 15:37:48 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)D Subject: BIND/DNS Client asking BIND/DNS Server on non-standard port( Message-ID: <3a1a88bc@news.kapsch.co.at>  J A BIND/DNS Server (NAMED V8) can be configured to listen on a non-standard= port (TCP/UDP 53) via options statement "listen-on port xxx".   J Every NSLOOKUP can query a nameserver listening on a non-stardard port via+ "$ NSLOOKUP -port=xx" or via ">set port=xx"   I Do you know, how to configure the UCX, TCPIP and TCPware BIND/DNS Clients M to query a BIND/DNS Server listening on a non-standard port ? I found nothing K so far in HELP or the manuals (so maybe unsupported but hopefully possible)    TIA   J PS: Even the NT4 (SP4 and up) can do it (via registry key SendOnNonDnsPortJ in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\DNS\Parameters) !!   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:49:05 +0000 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>% Subject: Re: Connecting a CD-writer.. 8 Message-ID: <sgkk1t8hk02bdacfsobt7k638ofe55i9ha@4ax.com>  4 On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 22:22:58 GMT, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote:    >Jesper Naur wrote:  >>  9 >> A. van Klei <avanklei@worldonline.nl> wrote in message - >> news:8v9dpo$g2b$1@nereid.worldonline.nl... M >> > Is there PC sofware wich formats an CD-RW with the Open-VMS file system? , >> > and how can I put Open-VMS files on it? >> >
 >> Look at >>  7 >> http://www.cd-info.com/CDIC/Technology/CD-R/vms.html  >>  I >> DFY$VMSCD is a program, which can create CD-images containing VMS file N >> systems. The image can then be transferred to a PC and burnt onto the CD in< >> 'image' mode - something most CD-burning programs can do. > ? >	FYI: except for EasyCD Creator...  The old EasyCD(Pro) can as B >well some others.  It's just that most people have Creator and it >refusesA >to acknowledge the image file created by DFY as a valid file. :(   H Correct, it will only burn an ISO image (or its own native on-disk imageF format).  One way round is to create a dual-format image, both ISO andH ODS-2, and burn that (Easy CD doesn't seem to notice that the very smallE ISO image appears to surrounded by hundreds of megabytes of something E else...)  Another solution is to use another CD burner package on the F PC, but when I looked into this, found they tend to come with lists ofF "supported" hardware, which are very specific in terms of manufacturerD and model combinations.  This depressed me, so I persevered with the, dual-format option until I got that to work.     	John  --  
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:15:17 +0900 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>) Subject: Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer + Message-ID: <3A1A5945.580A4D93@digital.com>   
 How about 1 define/key <your-key-choice> @UTILS:DECTERM_TITLE 2 - not as aesthetically pleasing, but would prevent your current problem...    Mike.    JF Mezei wrote:  > N > I have a serious problem which is jeoperdizing my extremely loyal commitment > to VMS...  > P > I have a DEFINE/KEY/TERMINATE/NOECHO which does a WRITE SYS$OUTPUT with escapeM > sequences and lexicals. The goal is to display the current directory as the  > decterm's window name. > " > Works fine when I press the key. > L > The problem which is causing me to re-evaluate my whole purpose in life isM > that when I use the up/down arrows to browse through the recall buffer, the J > write sys$output command is displayed and its escape sequences are sent,O > except that the lexicals are not executed. So the window title becomes a mess ( > of ''F$TRNLNM("SYS$NODE") etc etc etc. > O > Shouldn't there be a way to do a DEFINE/KEY option so that when you press the > > PF key, the command doesn't get added to the recall buffer ?   --  E --------------------------------------------------------------------- E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that. ? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il* F Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----  Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:11:04 +0100 (CET) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>) Subject: Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011211700300.2859-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   $ On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, JF Mezei wrote:  M +I have a serious problem which is jeoperdizing my extremely loyal commitment 
 +to VMS...    You are malicious -;)  O +I have a DEFINE/KEY/TERMINATE/NOECHO which does a WRITE SYS$OUTPUT with escape L +sequences and lexicals. The goal is to display the current directory as the +decterm's window name.   D  The we must mark, that some thousand additional processor cycles is not a problem...  ! +Works fine when I press the key.  + K +The problem which is causing me to re-evaluate my whole purpose in life is L +that when I use the up/down arrows to browse through the recall buffer, theI +write sys$output command is displayed and its escape sequences are sent, N +except that the lexicals are not executed. So the window title becomes a mess' +of ''F$TRNLNM("SYS$NODE") etc etc etc.  + N +Shouldn't there be a way to do a DEFINE/KEY option so that when you press the= +PF key, the command doesn't get added to the recall buffer ?     Hm... Should. And must !   2 1. you can hide the escape sequence in some place.+  The best IMHO is a symbol with resolution:   D $ pipe esc="" ; esc[0,8]=27 ; write sys$output esc,"[0HThe corner" -( 	," and ''esc'[7mreversed''esc'[0m text"  :  If you woory about the problem, that in process can exist< a "esc" symbol (and you will "for sure" *not* conflict) then you can use:' $ pipe (esc= ; [...rest of command...])   and execute all in subprocess. ? AFAIR overkill, and have ESC (and VT) symbol defined in process  environment while LOGIN.  B 2. you can use the RECALL feature, mentioned here not so long ago:  ? $ pipe recall/out=NLA0: ; write sys$output "something you want"   =  *If* in command line a RECALL command is *executed* then the A line is not saved in the buffer themself: probably the "original" ? reason was for resolve the "number of command" problem, but the ' side effect look like what you want -:)     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:12:02 +0000 - From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk> ) Subject: RE: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer = Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE01528F5C@REAES2>   @ I missed the original message, I will reply to Gottfyd's reply..  G Using PIPE seems a bit of a sledgehammer here. If it is not translating E the lexicals, just use the lexical FAO to create the escape character C so that that won't get translated either. I don't know exactly what F command sequence you are running, as I do not have a decterm here, butE you can get an exactly analogous problem by, say, defining f20 to set  the screen into bold  F If you do it the obvious way, with define key to be "<esc>[1m", (whereA <esc> is a naked escape character) and you hit that key, then any D subsequent attempt to do a recall/all will put the screen into bold.  D If, however, you use a lexical to pick up the escape character, when. defining the key to send the sequence, such as  # $ DEFINE/KEY/TERMINATE/NOECHO f20 - :    "write sys$output f$fao(""!AD[1m"",1,f$fao(""!27**""))"  F Then you achieve the same affect on the key, but recall does not screw the screen up.  D This is a known hack that was discussed a few months back. !AD picksH the repetition value (27) off the front of the string-defining sequence.E The !AD directive is not documented in the lexical FAO, but I believe G it is mentioned somewhere in the $FAO system service description (which  I don't have to hand).    -- Cheers, John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg did E   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems then D   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).   -----Original Message-----? From: Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists [mailto:gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl]  Sent: 21 November 2000 16:11 To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) Subject: Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer     $ On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, JF Mezei wrote:  B +I have a serious problem which is jeoperdizing my extremely loyal
 commitment
 +to VMS...    You are malicious -;)  5 +I have a v which does a WRITE SYS$OUTPUT with escape L +sequences and lexicals. The goal is to display the current directory as the +decterm's window name.   D  The we must mark, that some thousand additional processor cycles is not a problem...  ! +Works fine when I press the key.  + K +The problem which is causing me to re-evaluate my whole purpose in life is L +that when I use the up/down arrows to browse through the recall buffer, theI +write sys$output command is displayed and its escape sequences are sent, I +except that the lexicals are not executed. So the window title becomes a  mess' +of ''F$TRNLNM("SYS$NODE") etc etc etc.  + J +Shouldn't there be a way to do a DEFINE/KEY option so that when you press the = +PF key, the command doesn't get added to the recall buffer ?     Hm... Should. And must !   2 1. you can hide the escape sequence in some place.+  The best IMHO is a symbol with resolution:   D $ pipe esc="" ; esc[0,8]=27 ; write sys$output esc,"[0HThe corner" -( 	," and ''esc'[7mreversed''esc'[0m text"  :  If you woory about the problem, that in process can exist< a "esc" symbol (and you will "for sure" *not* conflict) then you can use:' $ pipe (esc= ; [...rest of command...])r  and execute all in subprocess.I? AFAIR overkill, and have ESC (and VT) symbol defined in processn environment while LOGIN.  B 2. you can use the RECALL feature, mentioned here not so long ago:  ? $ pipe recall/out=NLA0: ; write sys$output "something you want"s  =  *If* in command line a RECALL command is *executed* then theeA line is not saved in the buffer themself: probably the "original"s? reason was for resolve the "number of command" problem, but thel' side effect look like what you want -:)t    Regards - Gotfryd   -- -E =====================================================================MF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e    K ___________________________________________________________________________ B This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of o Sema Group. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this I email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or -- copying of this email is strictly prohibited.-  E If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Group>. Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:04:31 GMTV From: richard_maher@my-deja.comb+ Subject: Encore! Encore! news2mail problems2) Message-ID: <8vdvda$fgi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>5   Hi,1  @ All of us news2mail subscribers have been short changed! When weG subscribed to com.os.*V*M*S* we didn't expect to be denied that servicen, regardless of any software upgrade problems.  G In order to rectify this matter could you all please repost all of your,E very interesting "Technology of US elections" and "Sun 'uptime' belly F laughter" and "Sun cache. . . " of the last week. NO! Better make that 2 weeks.  ! I wouldn't want to miss a second.>   Regards Richard Maher2  " From: olaf [olaf AT news2mail.com]' Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:38 PM.1 Subject: Server-software upgrade on news2mail.comm       Dear Users,h  A In the last days I installed some new Software Components for thelG Backend-Systems of www.news2mail.com. Unfortunately some components didt not E work properly from the beginning. You may have lost some messages andd youuF may have gotten some duplicates. For a few days it was not possible to subscribe or unsubscribe.q  D Now all these things work properly again. If you still have problems with4 the system please let me know, so that I can fix it.  7 Sorry for the inconvenience and have fun with your newst   Olaf Naumann      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.R   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:34:24 -0300f) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br / Subject: Re: Encore! Encore! news2mail problemsoL Message-ID: <OF13B21B7F.5137EFB4-ON0325699E.00557DF1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  J Sometimes I feel this is not an OpenVMS mailing list . . . Sun, Elections,	 etc . . .c   Reg.   FC              0 richard_maher@my-deja.com em 21/11/2000 12:04:31L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Encore! Encore! news2mail problems                  >                                                                              Hi,i  @ All of us news2mail subscribers have been short changed! When weG subscribed to com.os.*V*M*S* we didn't expect to be denied that service , regardless of any software upgrade problems.  G In order to rectify this matter could you all please repost all of your=E very interesting "Technology of US elections" and "Sun 'uptime' bellyWF laughter" and "Sun cache. . . " of the last week. NO! Better make that 2 weeks.  ! I wouldn't want to miss a second.N   Regards Richard Maherr  " From: olaf [olaf AT news2mail.com]' Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 7:38 PMa1 Subject: Server-software upgrade on news2mail.comF       Dear Users,0  A In the last days I installed some new Software Components for thewG Backend-Systems of www.news2mail.com. Unfortunately some components dids nothE work properly from the beginning. You may have lost some messages and  youEF may have gotten some duplicates. For a few days it was not possible to subscribe or unsubscribe.O  D Now all these things work properly again. If you still have problems with4 the system please let me know, so that I can fix it.  7 Sorry for the inconvenience and have fun with your newsp   Olaf Naumann      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 21 Nov 2000 16:04:28 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)/ Subject: Re: Encore! Encore! news2mail problems1, Message-ID: <8ve6ec$d99@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  K In article <8vdvda$fgi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, richard_maher@my-deja.com writes:- >Hi, >8A >All of us news2mail subscribers have been short changed! When wegH >subscribed to com.os.*V*M*S* we didn't expect to be denied that service- >regardless of any software upgrade problems.e >aH >In order to rectify this matter could you all please repost all of yourF >very interesting "Technology of US elections" and "Sun 'uptime' bellyG >laughter" and "Sun cache. . . " of the last week. NO! Better make that-	 >2 weeks.r > " >I wouldn't want to miss a second.  9 You don't have to, and nobody has to repost either.  Just  visit   $    http://www.deja.com/home_ps.shtml   and follow the threads.D   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech E   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 19:04:33 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Encore! Encore! news2mail problems * Message-ID: <3a1ab931$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Z In article <kMcKUWxe7VMn@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:y >In article <OF13B21B7F.5137EFB4-ON0325699E.00557DF1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:1M >> Sometimes I feel this is not an OpenVMS mailing list . . . Sun, Elections,c >> etc . . . >rG >VMS never breaks.  We have to talk about something in between releasesi >of new features.  8-)   Nope.i  H COMP.OS.VMS has over 100 postings per day and is the newsgroups with theD biggest traffic of all the groups I read (ok, no joke groups there).  H I could easily live without postings not related to VMS and in fact haveF to kill all these threads to keep current (one week ill and I need two( weeks to get in synch again afterwards).  F Yes, VMS never breaks. But _we_ still have to do VMS lobbying and this$ is unpaid and takes a _lot_ of time.  3 So, I second the wish to get rid of some threads...e   just my 0.02 -- t< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888w< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 12:51:11 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)/ Subject: Re: Encore! Encore! news2mail problemss+ Message-ID: <kMcKUWxe7VMn@eisner.decus.org>n  x In article <OF13B21B7F.5137EFB4-ON0325699E.00557DF1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:L > Sometimes I feel this is not an OpenVMS mailing list . . . Sun, Elections, > etc . . .r >   F VMS never breaks.  We have to talk about something in between releases of new features.  8-)g  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingu   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 12:04:04 GMTc2 From: Shraga_Broyer@bmc.nospam.com (Shraga Broyer)# Subject: Enterprise Toolkit Problem - Message-ID: <3a1a6165.102121302@news.bmc.com>i   Hi. D I have an OpenVMS Enterpeise Toolkit V1.2-2 for Visual Studio. It''sB connecting my development environment which is NT 4.0 and my ALPHAA with OpenVMS 6.2-1H3.  I have a problem: The "SYNCHRONIZE" button F transfers updated files from the VMS to the NT even if they are markedD as "READ-ONLY" on the NT without any  warning (such as "This file isD marked as read-only, are you sure?"). This became an issue because I@ am working with a source control software ("CONTINUUS") and thisE behaviour is VERY not in synch with the required check-out mechanism.. Any suggestions? e
 Thanks!      ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 15:02:37 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: Looking for RJ45-to-ThinWire adapter.* Message-ID: <3a1a807d$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  J In article <8vcbgo$46s$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>, heimann@ecs.umass.edu writes:( >In Article <8v9otv$fn7$1@acme.gcfn.org>. >rschaefe@gcfn.org (Robert F Schaefer) writes:- >>222 63376 <8v9otv$fn7$1@acme.gcfn.org> bodyzE >>I'm in a similar position as the original poster-- except I want to L >>connect some 10B2 equipment to a 10BT network.  I do however have a numberJ >>of Asante `Friendlynet (tm) Thin Adapter's.  These are self-powered, andJ >>I'm more than a little leary of plugging one into my little hub, since IJ >>think they get their power from the RJ-45 jack, and I'm not sure that myI >>hub can put out the power needed.  Can anyone tell me if this is a good ? >>idea, or should I just get a hub with a BNC port on the back?t >dH >If these are the Asante Friendlynet adapters I remember, they are not aH >10BaseT to 10Base2 adapter.  Rather they are just "dongles" that happenH >to use a RJ45 plug to connect with the rest of the Asante equipment.  AG >different dongle was used for connecting to each type of 10 Mb wiring.)  $ "Dongle" is not the correct wording.A It is named "BALUN" coming from BALanced-to-UNbalanced converter.l  C It is a way to run 10Base2 over UTP cable, but it is not 10BaseT !!o   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888k< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:38:11 GMTi* From: Doran Werling <rwscsinc@my-deja.com>2 Subject: Re: Looking for RJ45-to-ThinWire adapter.) Message-ID: <8ve1ci$h6h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  , In article <8vcbgo$46s$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>,   heimann@ecs.umass.edu wrote:) > In Article <8v9otv$fn7$1@acme.gcfn.org>n/ > rschaefe@gcfn.org (Robert F Schaefer) writes:o. > >222 63376 <8v9otv$fn7$1@acme.gcfn.org> bodyF > >I'm in a similar position as the original poster-- except I want toF > >connect some 10B2 equipment to a 10BT network.  I do however have a numberK > >of Asante `Friendlynet (tm) Thin Adapter's.  These are self-powered, andoK > >I'm more than a little leary of plugging one into my little hub, since I K > >think they get their power from the RJ-45 jack, and I'm not sure that myuJ > >hub can put out the power needed.  Can anyone tell me if this is a good@ > >idea, or should I just get a hub with a BNC port on the back? >iI > If these are the Asante Friendlynet adapters I remember, they are not aoI > 10BaseT to 10Base2 adapter.  Rather they are just "dongles" that happentI > to use a RJ45 plug to connect with the rest of the Asante equipment.  A H > different dongle was used for connecting to each type of 10 Mb wiring. >c
 > Joe Heimannt >u > heimann@ecs.umass.eduG >r  D Black Box Corp. makes a adapter to go from twisted pair to thinwire.F The adapter has it's own power supply.  I think that they call it "The	 Twister".    Regards,
 Doran Werling! RW/SCS Inc.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.=   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:41:52 GMT-4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)0 Subject: NovaGlobal Ending Their AlphaSTORM Line' Message-ID: <4HpS5.133$XY5.4830@insync>D' Keywords: vms,novaglobal,portable,alpha5  ; NovaGlobal has frozen development of the AlphaSTORM systemst; including the portables previously discussed in comp.os.vmsr; as replacements for the now-discontinued Tadpole Technologyc ALPHABooks. From:e  /    http://www.novaglobal.com.sg/alphastorm.htmle  H   "After some soul-searching, we came to the conclusion that, much as weG    would like to continue with our AlphaSTORM line, we believe that ourmE    customers would much prefer to buy an original Compaq for the sameeG    amount of money. As such, we decided that as of 6 September 2000, weeG    will freeze all new development work on our AlphaSTORM line of Alphao    workstations and servers.  H    All existing orders for our AlphaSTORM machines will be fulfilled. WeD    will extend the validity of all existing quotations for another 7B    days. We will continue to entertain all existing enquires for aH    reasonable period of time. We will continue to support our AlphaSTORMH    machines for a period of another 4 years from the date of delivery of     the last AlphaSTORM machine."    / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.netn;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalidt2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 15:55:01 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: OpenVMS 7.2-1H1* Message-ID: <3a1a8cc5$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  N In article <VA.00000191.0e16787a@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:? >In article <3A194C7F.41300602@byron.ext.telia.se>, P.Lj wrote:iF >> Does anyone have experienced any problem after upgrading to (Alpha) >> OpenVMS 7.2-1H1 ? > B >Yes. Bugchecks and sponataneous reboots on a very heavily loaded ? >system. We are currently waiting to hear what CSC have to say.  > I >We went back to 7.2-1 on one test cluster, but still have it on another u- >so that we can test the fix when it arrives.y  0 Did you also see the various ECOs for V7.2-1H1 ?  H It seems, V7.2-1H1 is V7.2-1 with new features and some ECOs, where someM of these V7.2-1 ECOs are already replaced (a few because of serious problems) I and that is probably a reason for existence of some of the V7.2-1H1 ECOs.    But CSC should know this...f   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888u< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:07:45 +0900s2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS CBT+ Message-ID: <3A1A5781.66F93282@digital.com>   8 For a _very_ basic & quick intro to VMS theres an online' "OpenVMS Primer for System Managers" at , http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wbt/index.html6 Note: don't be put of by the "managers" in the title - this is extremely basic.A There used to be a book called "VMS Primer" - about VMS V4.4 (??)'   Mike   Richard B. Gilbert wrote:  > I >         I'll assume that by "CBT" you mean "Computer Based Training" or F > "Computer Aided Instruction" or whatever the current buzz phrase is. > H >         Digital used to have such a course.  It required a working VMSM > system and at VTxxx terminal or terminal emulator.  It assumed that you hadLI > a DEC style keyboard; e.g. LK401, LK450, LK461, etc.  It would walk youtH > through logging on, logging off, getting directory listing, creating a> > file, printing a file, the basics of the screen editor, etc. > M >         Something like this may still be available from Compaq.   You mightlM > also try Global Knowledge Network (globalknowledge.com)  but I don't see it # > in a quick scan of their catalog.= > M >         GKN does offer a three day lecture lab course which they will teachGL > on your site which might be cheaper than sending a dozen people to live in$ > the big city for three days. . . . > 5 > Message text written by INTERNET:dman00@my-deja.com H > >We are predominantly an NT shop but will soon be implementing a largeI > OpenVMS system.  We need to get some training and want to start with annI > introduction to OpenVMS CBT.  Can anyone make a recomendation for this?e > <o   -- hE ---------------------------------------------------------------------yE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.i? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*rF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------_ -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----_ Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:45:46 -0600m* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> Subject: RE: OpenVMS CBT- Message-ID: <0033000009392145000002L052*@MHS>v    =0AContact http://www.mindiq.com  1 I believe that they still have VMS CBT available.l   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETS' Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 6:40 PMc6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: OpenVMS CBT    H         I'll assume that by "CBT" you mean "Computer Based Training" or=  D "Computer Aided Instruction" or whatever the current buzz phrase is.  F         Digital used to have such a course.  It required a working VMSH system and at VTxxx terminal or terminal emulator.  It assumed that you=  hadH a DEC style keyboard; e.g. LK401, LK450, LK461, etc.  It would walk you=  F through logging on, logging off, getting directory listing, creating a< file, printing a file, the basics of the screen editor, etc.  H         Something like this may still be available from Compaq.   You m= ightH also try Global Knowledge Network (globalknowledge.com)  but I don't se= e it! in a quick scan of their catalog.n  H         GKN does offer a three day lecture lab course which they will t= eachH on your site which might be cheaper than sending a dozen people to live=  in " the big city for three days. . . .  3 Message text written by INTERNET:dman00@my-deja.comoF >We are predominantly an NT shop but will soon be implementing a largeH OpenVMS system.  We need to get some training and want to start with an=  H introduction to OpenVMS CBT.  Can anyone make a recomendation for this?=   <=   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:02:44 -0500 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> * Subject: Re: OpenVMS certification exam.../ Message-ID: <t1l75ifk9uvqf6@corp.supernews.com>   9 "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in message 8 news:hshubs-041342.22323120112000@news.mindspring.com... >...D > They've come out with OpenVMS certification?  Where can I get more > information on this? >...  = Try http://onlinecgi02.compaq.com/ase/ase_alpha_ovms.html for ! information on the certification.   D There is a link to the sample questions on the same page, but if youD look in Deja you'll probable find a discussion about how some of the/ questions are not very clear or possible wrong.   D I just noticed that the Hardware exam was retired November 3rd. What is going to replace it now?n  F BTW: I have never tried the exams so I can not offer any advice there,< but various people have posted in COV that they have passed.  
 ----------B "How many Americans do we have in the audience tonight?... oh, Im( sorry, I forgot you people cant count. Mike Bullard 9-NOV-2000eA My wife who was born and raised in Russia adds, "and in Russia weh! don't have to know how to count."s   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 17:53:49 GMTp( From: Andy Stoffel <acs@cyberportal.net>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS certification exam...D Message-ID: <acs-F48655.12570621112000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>  ? In article <t1l75ifk9uvqf6@corp.supernews.com>, "Peter Weaver" , <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:o  ; > "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote in messagel: > news:hshubs-041342.22323120112000@news.mindspring.com... > >...F > > They've come out with OpenVMS certification?  Where can I get more > > information on this?  < Right now, it's that Compaq ASE Alpha/OpenVMS certification.6 For some of us it was a required item in order for our3 companies to install Alphaservers for our customerss; (Resellers/ISV's etc) ourselves instead of Compaq doing it.y  F > I just noticed that the Hardware exam was retired November 3rd. What > is going to replace it now?p  8 There should have been another exam/set of exams listed / to replace that. (And is...) The previous exam -7 was'nt rocket science and seemed more marketing relatedx* than actual hardware/technical related....  H > BTW: I have never tried the exams so I can not offer any advice there,> > but various people have posted in COV that they have passed.  8 A good grounding in VMS system management is a must :-).< (The questions aren't necessarily hard, but they do seem to > cover a lot of ground.  I also found it helpful to review the 4 OpenVMS course materials available from Compaq that  are cited on that page .).   -Andy-   -- e@ ----------------------------------------------------------------* Andy Stoffel                              @ It's difficult to see when peering over the shoulders of giants.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:38:25 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>* Subject: Re: OpenVMS certification exam...> Message-ID: <hshubs-2113D1.13382521112000@news.mindspring.com>  E In article <acs-F48655.12570621112000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>, -) Andy Stoffel <acs@cyberportal.net> wrote:9  9 >A good grounding in VMS system management is a must :-).j= >(The questions aren't necessarily hard, but they do seem to b? >cover a lot of ground.  I also found it helpful to review the .5 >OpenVMS course materials available from Compaq that I >are cited on that page .).4  
 WHAT page?   -- eG "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:40:16 -0500 5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>b Subject: Re: remote DECWindows, Message-ID: <8ve1gm$d298$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  J Show us the transport list.  It sounds like something is screwed up there.    5 azog wrote in message <3a19ae98$1_1@nntp2.nac.net>... 3 >actually, checking futher, I find the following in % >sys$manager:decw$server_0_error.log:  >e3 >20-NOV-2000 16:39:54.8 Hello, this is the X serverkF >This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS VAX V7.1-9611124 >                compiled on Nov 12 1996 at 19:15:28 >Dixmain address=00019c40o) >Server is running in bug-compatible modea# >Now attach all known txport imagesE >Can't start transports  >eI >hmm. Searching for "decw$transports" in sys$manager:decw*.com shows that1* >decw$startup.com installs several images: >-? >$ call decw$install_check "sys$share:decw$transport_tcpip.exe"n  >"/open/shared/header/protected" >-@ >So I check to make sure the image is installed as it should be: > 2 >$ install list sys$share:decw$transport_tcpip.exe >c, >DISK$OVMSVAXSYS:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSLIB>.EXE >   DECW$TRANSPORT_TCPIP;11 >                    Open Hdr Shar     Prot Lnkbl0 >7 >Oh well, now I'm lost..., >bE >"Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> wrote in messaget. >news:4_hS5.37863$SF5.707579@ozemail.com.au...K >> Is this where he had to add the user/transport bit into the security bitw >ofe >> the CDE?w >>	 >> Antonyg >> >> >> >- >- >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:35:14 +0000 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> Subject: RE: remote DECWindowsL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FD9@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  H >The remote X server is running, as the telnet to it shows. The remote XJ >server has no authorization enabled, allowing all clients to connect. TheK >set display/create returns fine, and shows me everything is fine. But, the  >actual connection isn't made.  H You don't give version numbers, TCP/IP implementation or what the remote client/server is.   K Some client/servers do not allow "no authorisation" as a working option andrE require you to explicitly list nodes rather than all nodes. Also somesK require names rather than addresses. You can also try "TCPIP * *" (and only / that) if you want to allow any node to display.b   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 07:36:59 GMT 1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au> ' Subject: Re: Reset file version number?>8 Message-ID: <vCpS5.335$aQ6.83281@nostril.pacific.net.au>  6 Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> wrote:  B > I used to get 5000+ report files (with same filename) with large > version numbers.  H > Recently adopt a housekeeping policy, but i hate to key in those large2 > nunbers. Had purged while keeping 1000 versions.0 > I need to reset them to use a smaller numbers.  = > Is there a way to do so without system downtime or stopping + > application, or renaming the older files? 8 > (Log files need to match the filenames for referrence)  : > The latest files are in-use most of the time of the day.  @ 	The little DCL ditty below will resequence file version numbersF 	of a given file. I wrote it a while back, and it is far from perfect.1 	I only did limited testing of it, so be careful.e6 	I just manually typed it in, so check for typos also.8 	Caveat emptor ! Use it only at your own responsibility!A 	One could of course embellish it with more error checking, bellsd( 	and whistles, etc, but it works for me.  C 	It will fail on open files, I guess. So it will need modificationsgB 	in this area. It is a good idea to do a purge first, but it still( 	works quickly on small number of files.  A 	( I only ran interactively so far, but I guess it should work in6B 	batch as well, provided the directory specification(s) are right.H 	I think you have to modify part of the "ASK:" segment in this instance,; 	and put in a different check for P1. Also the ERR1 part...  	The main loop is still OK. )   @ 	You don't need to set your default to the directory if you give0 	full specs, [dir]file.ext ( when interactive ).B 	You can name this comfile whatever you wish, I call it RESEQ.COM. 	I hope this helps...o  	 				Csabau  
 	RESEQ.COMD $!  This comfile will resequence the version numbers of a given file $!  starting from version 1. $! $	VERIFY	= F$VERIFY(0) $	ON ERROR  THEN  GOTO  CLEARo $	ON CONTROL_Y  THEN GOTO CLEARa $	SAY	= "WRITE SYS$OUTPUT" $	KOUNT	= 1 H $!---------------------------------------------------------------------- $ASK:	IF ( P1 .EQS. "" )C $	THEN  INQ  FILE "Please enter file [e.g. DATA.DAT  <CR> to exit]"  $	ELSE	FILE = P1 $	ENDIFg" $	IF  "''FILE'" .EQS. ""	THEN	EXIT1 $	IF  F$SEARCH("''FILE'") .EQS. ""	THEN	GOTO	ERR1,: $	HIGH = F$PARSE(F$SEARCH("''FILE'"+";0"),,,"VERSION")-";"; $	LOW  = F$PARSE(F$SEARCH("''FILE'"+";-0"),,,"VERSION")-";"d $	SUBJ = "''FILE'"+";"+"''LOW'" " $SEQ:	RENAME/NOLOG	'SUBJ'	;'KOUNT' $	KOUNT	= KOUNT+1 
 $	GOSUB	CHECKm
 $	GOTO	SEQ $DONE:	P1	= "" $	KOUNT	= 12@ $	INQ  MORE "Do you wish resequence more version numbers  [Y/N]"E $	IF ("''MORE'" .EQS. "YES") .OR. ("''MORE'" .EQS. "Y") THEN GOTO ASKf $CLEAR:	EXITI $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------u
 $ERR1:	SAY	"".? $	SAY	"  ***  File doesn't exist ( in this directory )  !  ***"t $	SAY	""	 $	P1	= "" 
 $	GOTO	ASKI $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------e $CHECK: LOW	= LOW+1!- $	IF ("''LOW'" .GT. "''HIGH'")	THEN	GOTO	DONEw $	SUBJ	= "''FILE'"+";"+"''LOW'"-5 $	IF  F$SEARCH("''SUBJ'") .EQS. ""   THEN  GOTO	CHECK0 $	RETURNI $!-----------------------------------------------------------------------a  I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------wE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehognE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.sI    ----------------------------------------------------------------------l;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:l   ------------------------------   Date: 21 Nov 2000 08:27:06 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)h' Subject: Re: Reset file version number?m0 Message-ID: <8vdbkq$i1c$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  p In article <ugpj1tgjvvub05n2vj46n56f40n7vb27o9@4ax.com>, Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> writes: >wA >I used to get 5000+ report files (with same filename) with large  >version numbers.A >eG >Recently adopt a housekeeping policy, but i hate to key in those large 1 >nunbers. Had purged while keeping 1000 versions.a/ >I need to reset them to use a smaller numbers.a >e< >Is there a way to do so without system downtime or stopping* >application, or renaming the older files?7 >(Log files need to match the filenames for referrence)v > 9 >The latest files are in-use most of the time of the day.l   What about this one:  & $ filename = "mydevice:[mydir]my.file" $ !n $ streamid = 02 $ filespec = F$SEARCH( filename + ";*", streamid )- $ version = F$PARSE( filespec,,, "VERSION", )  $ IF version .EQS. ";32767"r	 $    THENa3 $    WRITE sys$output "   Version limit reached..."2 $    lnum = 327683 $loop1:@8 $       filespec = F$SEARCH( filename + ";*", streamid ) $       lnum = lnum - 1s, $       IF filespec .NES. "" THEN GOTO loop17 $    WRITE sys$output "      Lowest version was ", lnum 
 $    nnum = 1  $loop2:f2 $       RENAME 'filename';'lnum' 'filename';'nnum' $       nnum = nnum + 1t $       lnum = lnum + 1h* $       IF lnum .NE. 32768 THEN GOTO loop2? $    WRITE sys$output "      Highest version now is ", nnum - 1o $    WRITE sys$output " "l $ ENDIF    Regards,    Christoph Gartmannt  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:58:06 +0100 (CET)s: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>' Subject: Re: sending BREAK to a session-I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011211639430.2859-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>     On 20 Nov 2000, Jake Luck wrote: [...]:8 +> >some of the conventions. So how would one go either:I +> >1) send a break to the port without getting escaped to the local modeeI +> >2) send a suspended "session" a BREAK signal from within the terminalo +> >   local prompt?    Can you express the reason ?h&  Will you not simply LOGOUT the port ?   [...from VAXMAN...]m4 +> Log into the terminal server and use the command: +> o +> DEFINE | ! +> SET    | PORT <n> BREAK REMOTE  +> CHANGE |r [...]T +Break:                Remote  [...]t:  That mean: send the BREAK signal thru conncetion channel.  Ok. But unfortunatelly    [...]  +and my services is  +S( +---------------------------------------  +Local> show services mcons char [...]  +Enabled Characteristics:  +	Connections, Queue  @  You have a reason to set QUEUE ENABLED for the console ports ??  ;  If not, then DISABLE it: then, if the port is "in use" youcB get a reject in the LAT connection; with queue enabled the session> will "hang" and wait while the port is already in use; usefull7 for printers, but not always for interactive session...i  : +Still, when i type "~", it snaps me to the Local> prompt. +oI +Could this be because I am performing all this on the virtual console bywD +telneting to port 23 of the DECServer 700? Is the "~" key in telnet% +correctly remapped to the BREAK key?s  @  Unfortunatelly I haven't in the moment DECTERMINAL on-hand, butA you cannot set all characteristics on the "virtual console" port.y  >  And yes - you must get the special BREAK control; can't checkA if the BREAK signal can be mapped as character in TELNET but thath> is second point (the primary is: you must set the BREAK REMOTE5 characteristic both in incoming and outgoing ports !)o  >  Then: I can be wrong, but probably from the "virtual console" the work may be hard.h;  Say, why you will not LOGOUT the port "in use" and connectV8 to it, if you will (thru LAT with full control or TELNET with near full control ?)n  E +A second note, I also have Telnet Listeners setup on port 2007 which-J +directs to port 7. I notice the even if I do "set port 7 break disabled".I +I was still able to do telnet to port 2007, ^], "send break" to signal aG: +break down the port, but that is another issue on itself.  (  Isn't the control for TELNET separate ?  Check:0  J +In addition, would it be possible to map 2 keys, one to send the break to5 +the port line, and one to drop to the Local> prompt?v  . ...in HELP for the VAXman suggested answer -:)    Regards - Gotfryd   -- aE =====================================================================eF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME-. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================n   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:22:12 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughera6 Message-ID: <200011210718.IAA18359@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Andrew Harrison wrotes:    >>>4, Which Solaris OS release were you running ?? <<<g  E We have running system with Sun Solaris 2.7 and 2.8 (8).  If you readrE the Sun Ray Server users guide, you can read, that you have to rebootnC the Sun Ray Server after installation and restarting (!!!!) the Sunt Ray Server software.G Also di I see a new behavior, if you disconnect the Keyboard (sometimeseI the cleaning women do so, without knowing, what they do). After reconnect H there is a message, that you can continue. If you will continue then theB Solaris is corrupted and you will see a strange behavior. You MUSTE reboot the system other then in previous version. In previous version ' you could continue without any failure.a   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 15:46:57 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears* Message-ID: <3a1a8ae1$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Y In article <3A191995.3066247B@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:i >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: Q >> In article <VA.0000014a.14081d45@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:oJ >> >In article <ZR_M5.11$iB4.10761@news.enterprise.net>, NewsReader wrote:7 >> >> From: "NewsReader" <NewsReader@NotOnYourLife.Com> 8 >> >> Newsgroups: vmsnet.networks.tcp-ip.ucx,comp.os.vms* >> >> Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears* >> >> Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:03:53 -0000 >> >>rP >> >> I contacted Compaq after downloading the patch & not able to install. TheyO >> >> said the PCSI kit wasn't available! (that was a week after the TCP/IP ECOrR >> >> was released). Now what is the point of releasing a kit we can't install? To* >> >> tease us perhaps... I'm waiting too. >> >>vQ >> >I've been waiting too, albeit I'm only running a hobbyist system, so it isn'tv >> >urgent for me. >> >Q >> >I did start exploring the TCPIP kit with a view to doing a manual extraction,.7 >> >but thought it better to wait for the official fix.e >>K >> The target date (1-nov-2000) for the VAX PCSI ECO kit passed by, and I'msE >> still not able to install the ECO 1 for TCPIP V5.0A on my VAXes...- >-% >Thats strange, I managed to downloadp3 >DEC-VAXVMS-VMS62TO71_PCSI-V0200--4.PCSI-DCX_VAXEXERQ >a couple of weeks back, but it was lurking somewhere slightly not obvious on thew
 >web site.  N Thats the kit for OpenVMS VAX V6.2 up to V7.1, but not for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 !!G And the one for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 is still only Beta (for months now)...w  M So, 16 months after TCPIP V5.0A came out, major bugs are still unfix[ed|able].   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 16:08:57 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> $ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears) Message-ID: <3A1A9E19.C0265E08@bbc.co.uk>h   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:   >rP > Thats the kit for OpenVMS VAX V6.2 up to V7.1, but not for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 !!I > And the one for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 is still only Beta (for months now)...I >vO > So, 16 months after TCPIP V5.0A came out, major bugs are still unfix[ed|able]e >v  I Peter, you didn;t make clear the VMS 7.2 requirement at least in the postg\ I replied to. I am surprised actually, as 7.2 has been the supported version for some months now.   Regardsl --  6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk-  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofs MedAS or the BBC.h   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 18:02:30 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears* Message-ID: <3a1aaaa6$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  Y In article <3A1A9E19.C0265E08@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:- >Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote:uQ >> Thats the kit for OpenVMS VAX V6.2 up to V7.1, but not for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 !!rJ >> And the one for OpenVMS VAX V7.2 is still only Beta (for months now)... >>P >> So, 16 months after TCPIP V5.0A came out, major bugs are still unfix[ed|able] > J >Peter, you didn;t make clear the VMS 7.2 requirement at least in the post] >I replied to. I am surprised actually, as 7.2 has been the supported version for some monthsy >now.   M Ok. I didn't mention it this time, but I did in one or two previous postings:1" eg. <39dcd9dc$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  9 btw: The beta ECO is		DEC-VAXVMS-VMS72_PCSI-A0100--4.PCSI   K as mentioned in <39dd80e2.71178799@news.hccnet.nl> and is unfortunately not I available to me ("not a betatest member" or "no more VAX maint contract")a   -- @< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888O< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:22:23 +0000s8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>' Subject: RE: Technology of US ElectionseL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FD7@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  L >1. The object of an election is not to count every vote; it is to determineI >who got more votes. A completely random process that eliminates the same > >fraction of each candidate's votes does not alter the result.  I I don't believe there's any other way to determine accuractely how peopleYE voted apart from, accurately, counting votes. The problem with random J processes is that they don't produce results in a regular fashion. There'sB an uncertainty associated with random processes just as there is aK systematic amd random error associated with the counting methods being usedt in the US election.   I On the above basis, if valid vote counting cannot be done accurately, why-L bother to count the votes at all? Just let people MIME the voting process ofH inserting a ballot paper into a punch machine and punching, or trying toK punch, a hole in a card. Then take the exit polls as the official result as1H they will be just as accurate as anything that's been counted in this USH election. If this were done Gore would then be able to claim that he wonE Florida first as the first declaration which started the whole rumpuseK declared Florida to have gone to Gore. It certainly evens out the claims ofeF validity between the two candidates but sure does nothing for the US's< standing as a country with a free and fair electoral system.   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 09:05:45 GMT.% From: agreig@my-deja.com (Alan Greig)s' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsK2 Message-ID: <3a1a39ba.1033233230@news.newsguy.com>  , On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:51:13 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:M   >Alan Greig wrote:G >> drops. Thus a manual recount statewide would still likely favour the>/ >> Democrats. If this is true it is disturbing.c >tM >Why would this be disturbing ? The goal is to acheive an accurate result. IfeN >the voting technology results in a certain percentage of votes being rejectedN >when human observation would be able to reveal a clear voting intention, then >what is wrong with it ?  F I didn't mean that it would be dsturbing if a statewide manual recountC favoured the Democrats. I meant that it would be disturbing if thisoD was bacause  machines in Republican counties were more accurate than those in Democrat areas.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 21 Nov 2000 08:03:59 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionss+ Message-ID: <8kyJAt2OWj+3@eisner.decus.org>n  Z In article <3A19E555.292887CF@gce.com>, Glenn and Mary Everhart <Everhart@gce.com> writes:  N > 3. While manual counts can be very accurate, reports about taped over holes,, > piles of chad, ballots in the wrong piles,  -   These reports have been fairly well denied.e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationl= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 10:36:17 -0500t' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>n' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsT+ Message-ID: <3A1A9671.A09F22F4@y12.doe.gov>e  K I live in Tennessee, so I am not positive, but it was my understanding that(M there were signs at the polling booths instructing the voter to examine theirEI card prior to turning it in and remove any chads that were not completelyi punched out.   Dale   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > Alan Greig wrote:gH > > drops. Thus a manual recount statewide would still likely favour the0 > > Democrats. If this is true it is disturbing. > N > Why would this be disturbing ? The goal is to acheive an accurate result. IfO > the voting technology results in a certain percentage of votes being rejectedeO > when human observation would be able to reveal a clear voting intention, thenS > what is wrong with it ?R > N > It is to Bush's advantage to allow the recounts because his win will be moreJ > valid.  If there are doubts at to what the "real" count was, then Bush'sM > victory won't be a clean victory.  If Bush "survives" the recount, then his	M > victory will have more value exactly because he survived a recount which isR" > beleived to favour his opponent. > O > It would be more disturbing if the "system" were to officially accept a count 5 > which is known to be incomplete (mechanical count).- > O > The above is like Microsoft knowingly releasing software with bugs in it justiO > because the marketing department had already announced the fixed release date-
 > etc etc. > N > The flaw is in not setting the rules at the voting booths. In Canada, at theL > booths, it is clearly written that if you do not fill the ballot as shown,P > your vote will not be counted. In Florida, there should be a similar rule thatN > if your punched card has chads or dimples, it will NOT be counted. This way,J > during a recount, there would not be any debate on what is valid or not.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:50:19 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> 4 Subject: VAX 4000 SCSI mishandling termination power( Message-ID: <3A1AC3EB.F676801A@mmaz.com>  E Does anyone know of any stories or situations of VAX 4000/100 systems . not handling SCSI termination power correctly?  H I'm attempting to replace a chain of old SCSI devices, including a BA350! tower, with a single drive array.u  H If I simply unplug everything and plug in the Centronics 50 to HD 68 pinD cable to the array, there is no termination power and therefore, the drives are not accessible.  H If I take this same array and with a HD 50 to HD 68 pin cable connect itE into the out channel of the SCSI bus on the BA350 (after removing theuE internal termination), I can get to the new drive array but obviouslyl0 this is not the best coarse of action long term.  # Any suggestions or recommendations?i  	 Regardsn,n   Barrye --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 11:41:42 +010005 From: "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> ( Subject: RE: VS-3100 with RX33 attached?. Message-ID: <E13yAru-0002q0-00@gwdu42.gwdg.de>   jeffmoss@MY-DEJA.COM writes:C > I'm supporting several dozen VS-2000s in the field with RX33 5.25FD > inch floppy dirves in them.  All my in house VS-2000s have died ofB > hard disk failure. (They had ST-251s in them.)  But I still haveF > at least six VS-3100s left.  So I'd like to pull the RX23 (3.5 inch)D > out of one of them and put in an RX33.  I tried just switching theD > drives but the 3100 still thinks the RX33 is an RX23.  Even at the > triple chevron prompt. > + > Is this possable or am I wasting my time?t  G I know that the ST-506 floppy driver (DVDRIVER) tests a "configuration -H register" on a Vs3100 in order to decide if there is a RX23 or an RX33, , and that it supports both types of hardware.  C Unfortunately, I have no idea what sets this register (some jumper, 5 I'd guess). Anyone knows about the hardware details? a  A Some kernel-mode hacking would also allow to reverse the driver's B decision (tried that only on a Vs2000 where I've successfully usedG a RX23-lookalike). Clearing the "RX23" bit (hex 04000) in the floppy's  > UCB$L_DEVDEPEND ought to do the trick in the case at hand ...   M Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510, moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.deoM GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claim intended! M http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org>    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:07:17 GMTa From: jeffmoss@my-deja.com( Subject: RE: VS-3100 with RX33 attached?) Message-ID: <8ve331$ipe$1@nnrp1.deja.com>p  . In article <E13yAru-0002q0-00@gwdu42.gwdg.de>,8   "GWDVMS::MOELLER" <moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.de> wrote: > jeffmoss@MY-DEJA.COM writes:E > > I'm supporting several dozen VS-2000s in the field with RX33 5.25TF > > inch floppy dirves in them.  All my in house VS-2000s have died ofD > > hard disk failure. (They had ST-251s in them.)  But I still haveH > > at least six VS-3100s left.  So I'd like to pull the RX23 (3.5 inch)F > > out of one of them and put in an RX33.  I tried just switching theF > > drives but the 3100 still thinks the RX33 is an RX23.  Even at the > > triple chevron prompt. > >I- > > Is this possable or am I wasting my time?n >e7 > I know that the ST-506 floppy driver (DVDRIVER) testsa a "configurationC > register" on a Vs3100 in order to decide if there is a RX23 or anr RX33, . > and that it supports both types of hardware. >lE > Unfortunately, I have no idea what sets this register (some jumper,e6 > I'd guess). Anyone knows about the hardware details? >wC > Some kernel-mode hacking would also allow to reverse the driver'stD > decision (tried that only on a Vs2000 where I've successfully used? > a RX23-lookalike). Clearing the "RX23" bit (hex 04000) in thet floppy's? > UCB$L_DEVDEPEND ought to do the trick in the case at hand ...c > 3 > Wolfgang J. Moeller, Tel. +49 551 201-1516/-1510,e moeller@gwdvms.dnet.gwdg.deTE > GWDG, D-37077 Goettingen, F.R.Germany     |    Disclaimer: No claimO	 intended!e: > http://www.gwdg.de/~moeller/ ---- <moeller@gwdg.de> ---- <w.moeller@ieee.org> >   A I don't see any jumpers on the controler board.  However I shouldlD mention that I have two kinds of VaxStation-3100s.  I'm working withB an old one in case I break it, but the more modern ones may have aC different kind of disk controler.  Do you know anything about this?r  )                         Thanks in advancet#                           Jeff Mossl    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.G   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.651 ************************