1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 23 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 654       Contents:* Re: attunity product installation comments RE: BATCH File Rename  Re: BATCH File Rename  Re: Connecting a CD-writer..  Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer  Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?8 RE: How do you find the username of the current process?8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?! Installing SCSI disk in MV3100/95 ! Installing SCSI disk in MV3100/95 ) Re: Looking for RJ45-to-ThinWire adapter. ) Re: Memo:  RE: Technology of US Elections ) Re: Memo:  RE: Technology of US Elections $ Memo: RE: Technology of US Elections( RE: Memo: RE: Technology of US Elections RE: more mail questions  RE: more mail questions 6 Re: Networking VaxStationII with DEQNA Ethernet TCP/IP No punch cards, just VOTE! openvsm and vga cards  Re: openvsm and vga cards  Re: Question on using VMS Mail Re: Question on using VMS Mail Re: Question on using VMS Mail1 Re: Research survey on cross platform development 1 Re: Research survey on cross platform development % Re: RZ26-E and RZ28-E Jumper Settings  Re: Technology of US Elections Re: Technology of US Elections. UAF Quotas - Y'ain't a-gonna believe this'n...) Re: ucx setup for use with a cable router ) Re: ucx setup for use with a cable router  Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU  Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU  Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU  Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU  Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2000 18:49:35 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)3 Subject: Re: attunity product installation comments , Message-ID: <8vh4fv$sev@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  m In article <8vei3p$qne$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "John L Ferguson" <John.L.Ferguson@compaq.com> writes: J >The errors during the installation can be eliminated by answering "No" toK >the "Do you want Attunity Connect Demo Tables to be created as part of the I >installation procedure?" query.  This was documented in the installation  >notes on the OpenVMS web site.   B It still should not blow up the way it did even if you answer yes. > M >We tried to be clear as possible on what is provided in the Attunity Connect M >"On Platform" package and what comes directly from Attunity.  I'd appreciate J >some constructive criticism on how to communicate the delta so that I can >modify the web site at > >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/attunity/.  G You have to read volumes of documentation to figure out the delta.  For J instance, there is no way to tell that "On Platform" Attunity connect willG not let you ODBC connect to some other third party ODBC server.  (If it F does, they sure don't say how.)  So I repeat my original question.  IsG there any reason for a site that does not run Oracle (either locally or G remotely) to install the "On Platform" variant? Near as I can tell, you K can't achieve anything whatsoever without access to Oracle.  If that really G is the case, why not just rename "on platform" to "Attunity connect for P Oracle on OpenVMS" which seems to be a much more accurate name for the package.   H What's really galling though is that there is an RMS interface availableL from Attunity, and every VMS system has RMS files, and that might have been K genuinely useful to a lot of sites (add value to VMS.)  Yet Compaq chose to H provide an Attunity variant that does not include what is obviously the J base functionality for a VMS system, and instead provided one that is onlyG useful after you go out and buy a (very expensive) third party database G product.   This reminds me very much of the Bristol debacle - where the A pieces Digital chose to supply for free (run time libraries) were I completely worthless unless you spent $10k (at least, plus end user fees)  for the development package.    9 And we thought the bad old days were going away, sigh...     Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 22 Nov 00 19:51:01 +100' From: huber@mppmu.mpg.de (Joseph Huber)  Subject: RE: BATCH File Rename+ Message-ID: <8vh4iq$egi$1@kiosk.rzg.mpg.de>   + In Article <3A1BE619.CCB11328@jpmorgan.com> 2 Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> writes:H >Does anybody have a bit of DCL to rename all the files in a directory ? >  >i.e >DB77_BLAH_BLAH.COM  >DB77_BLAH.COM >DB77_RHUBARB.COM  >to  >DBnn_BLAH_BLAH.COM  >DBnn_BLAH.COM >DBnn_RHUBARB.COM  >   * Does the following DCL do it good enough ?  * $! rename all files 'p1'*.*;* to 'p2'*.*;* $ if p1.eqs."" then exit# $ prefix=f$edit(p1,"TRIM,COLLAPSE")  $ L = f$length(prefix) $ ss=prefix+"*.*;0"  $ loop:  $ file=f$search(ss)  $ if file.eqs."" then exit $ name=f$parse(file,,,"NAME")  $ type=f$parse(file,,,"TYPE") ) $ new=p2+f$extract(L,f$length(name),name)  $ fn = name+type $ rename/log 'fn';* 'new'  $ goto loop  $ exit     --  H Joseph "Sepp" Huber,huber@mppmu.mpg.de,http://wwwvms.mppmu.mpg.de/~huber   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:17:02 +0800 4 From: Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: BATCH File Rename* Message-ID: <3A1C53EE.A23C4BB@bigpond.com>   Robert Taylor wrote: > I > Does anybody have a bit of DCL to rename all the files in a directory ?  >  > i.e  >  > DB77_BLAH_BLAH.COM > DB77_BLAH.COM  > DB77_RHUBARB.COM >  > to >  > DBnn_BLAH_BLAH.COM > DBnn_BLAH.COM  > DBnn_RHUBARB.COM > B > Bear with me - i'm waiting on Real Programming In DCL arriving ! >  > Thanks in advance.  D In the DBS-DCL package (available from the address below) there is aD procedure called MANGLE.COM (with instructions) which does this sort* of thing, along with lots of other things.  : e.g.  $ mangle file=db77*.com item=name replace=77 with=nn   --   Regards, Dave. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:30:23 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> % Subject: Re: Connecting a CD-writer.. - Message-ID: <3A1C813F.F561E931@earthlink.net>    Island Computers wrote:  > L > Judging by the string of this message, I think the VMS Engineering fella'sM > should take note - maybe there shoudl be support for this and whilst you're ) > at it, VMS DVD recording software too !  > 2 > My thoughts - but I think valid, n'est ce pas ?!  D In recent correspondence with OpenVMS mgt., I've mentioned more thanC once the phrase, "what it would take". So, maybe I should ask here:   H What would it take for someone to write an appropriate driver to make up. for the "generic SCSI" shortfalls of DKDRIVER?   "Where's the market?", you ask.   : How many posts/threads have there been on that topic here?   Any further questions?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:34:19 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ) Subject: Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer - Message-ID: <3A1C822B.C871F823@earthlink.net>    JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:G > > IMHO, it's a question of technique, not a reflection of any VMS/DCL  > > deficiency.  > O > Yes, but the suggested techniques are not elegant and force one to go through J > so much trouble just to safely have escape sequences defined in a key...8 > Enough to make one abandon VMS alltogether :-) :-) :-)  
 Oh, *MY* !!!    - So, it's a question of "elegance" now, is it?    I > Since DCL lacks an ~obvious~ way to generate control characters in FAO, O > someone has to point out how that weakness is affecting other simple tasks...   4 Would it help if DCL had a SMG interface? (F$SMG()?)   J > So, all the goodies with clusters, reliability etc loose all their valueO > because of that single missing feature. Just look at how VMS has fared in the P > last decade and you'll understand how that one missing feature has cost VMS so
 > much... :-)   , I truly hope those smileys are for real, JF!   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:15:14 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ) Subject: Re: DEFINE/KEY and recall buffer , Message-ID: <3A1CA7DD.860135B1@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:6 > Would it help if DCL had a SMG interface? (F$SMG()?)  D Actually, I was thinking, and came up with the following suggestion:  N When using up/down arrow or any other recall function which displays commands,T ANY control character in the command should be displayed as a reverse question mark.  J Now only would this solve my problem of write sys$output that has embeddedL sequences in it, but also think of those whose terminal settings result in aN <CTRL-H> being added to the command instead of being executed. When you recallM that command, it becomes very hard to understand what is going on, unless you P set your terminal to 100baud and watch each character's behaviour as it appears.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:39:59 +0100 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>A Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process? ( Message-ID: <8vh6pk$gth$1@news.IAEhv.nl>   RTL_ROUTINES     LIB$       LIB$GETJPI  F          The Get Job/Process Information routine provides a simplifiedI          interface to the $GETJPI system service. It provides accounting, J          status, and identification information about a specified process.  J          LIB$GETJPI obtains only one item of information in a single call.            Format   >            LIB$GETJPI  item-code [,process-id] [,process-name]  =                        [,resultant-value] [,resultant-string]   *                        [,resultant-length]  G Mark heeft geschreven in bericht <3a1bf94b.28078975@news.force9.net>...  >Hi, > B >I need to write some C code which will return the username of the0 >process it is running under.  How is this done? >  >TIA >Mark Williams >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 13:52:56 -0600 8 From: "Meece, Patricia A (O&M)" <PAMeece@oandm.uiuc.edu>A Subject: RE: How do you find the username of the current process? M Message-ID: <9D5D1FC4A6CAD211A11900A0C981D75901C7D2C6@beasley.oandm.uiuc.edu>   J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C054BD.CF13FE40  Content-Type: text/plain  < use lib$getjpi   uid is a global variable with this snippet.       char user[17];$     auto $DESCRIPTOR(user_dsc,user);     int jpi_user = 514, length;    ;     lib$getjpi(&jpi_user,NULL,NULL,NULL,&user_dsc,&length); !     if (length > 16) length = 16;      strncpy(uid,user,length);    > -----Original Message-----> > From:	mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk [SMTP:mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk]* > Sent:	Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:56 > To:	Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject:	How do you find the username of the current process?  >  > Hi,  > C > I need to write some C code which will return the username of the 1 > process it is running under.  How is this done?  >  > TIA  > Mark Williams  >   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C054BD.CF13FE40  Content-Type: text/html + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =  charset=3Dus-ascii">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2652.35"> G <TITLE>RE: How do you find the username of the current process?</TITLE>  </HEAD>  <BODY>  8 <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">use =; lib$getjpi&nbsp;&nbsp; uid is a global variable with this =  snippet.</FONT>  </P>  G <P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  char user[17];</FONT> H <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =' auto $DESCRIPTOR(user_dsc,user);</FONT> H <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =$ int jpi_user =3D 514, length;</FONT>A <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;</FONT> H <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =I lib$getjpi(&amp;jpi_user,NULL,NULL,NULL,&amp;user_dsc,&amp;length);</FON=  T>H <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =) if (length &gt; 16) length =3D 16;</FONT> H <BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =  strncpy(uid,user,length);</FONT> </P> <UL>B <P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>I <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT = 1 SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk = % [SMTP:mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk]</FONT> I <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent:&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT = A SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Wednesday, November 22, 2000 10:56</FONT>  <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 = F FACE=3D"Arial">To:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 =+ FACE=3D"Arial">Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com</FONT>  <BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 = I FACE=3D"Arial">Subject:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT>= H </B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">How do you find the username of the = current process?</FONT>  </P>  + <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Hi,</FONT>  </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I need to write some C code which will = ! return the username of the</FONT> F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">process it is running under.&nbsp; = How is this done?</FONT> </P>  + <P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">TIA</FONT> 6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Mark Williams</FONT> </P> </UL>  </BODY>  </HTML> ) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C054BD.CF13FE40--    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:28:46 -0800 % From: "Paul Jones" <pjones@i-s-e.com> A Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process? @ Message-ID: <bfWS5.90754$1Z3.238060@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>   Mark,   F If you have POSIX software on the VMS machine you could use getlogin_rG or getrusage. For VMS specific utilities use sys$getjpiw with parameter  JPI$_USERNAME.  	 pj at ISE   / Mark <mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk> wrote in message ) news:3a1bf94b.28078975@news.force9.net...  > Hi,  > C > I need to write some C code which will return the username of the 1 > process it is running under.  How is this done?  >  > TIA  > Mark Williams  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 17:22:34 -0500 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>A Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process? > Message-ID: <hshubs-3C15BD.17223422112000@news.mindspring.com>  G In article <bfWS5.90754$1Z3.238060@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>, "Paul    Jones" <pjones@i-s-e.com> wrote:  G >If you have POSIX software on the VMS machine you could use getlogin_r:H >or getrusage. For VMS specific utilities use sys$getjpiw with parameter >JPI$_USERNAME.   / He'll need to see the documentation to do this.r   -- uG "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:05:45 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)?A Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process? 0 Message-ID: <009F3837.4C8D3C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <hshubs-3C15BD.17223422112000@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes:?H >In article <bfWS5.90754$1Z3.238060@e420r-sjo3.usenetserver.com>, "Paul ! >Jones" <pjones@i-s-e.com> wrote:r >sH >>If you have POSIX software on the VMS machine you could use getlogin_rI >>or getrusage. For VMS specific utilities use sys$getjpiw with parameter  >>JPI$_USERNAME. >t0 >He'll need to see the documentation to do this.  E Simple then.  You hardcode the username as "SYSTEM" and give out the eD SYSTEM account password to all users.  This not only simplifies codeD development for this user but also the management of system accounts on this user's machine.  ;)r     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.n   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2000 18:34:19 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)A Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process?o+ Message-ID: <vGOFpasnOxgR@eisner.decus.org>'   Or you could use getenv ...h   main ()u    {3    printf( "home %s\nterm %s\npath %s\nuser %s\n", iL             getenv("HOME"), getenv("TERM"), getenv("PATH"), getenv("USER"));    }  M In article <8vh6pk$gth$1@news.IAEhv.nl>, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> writes:- > RTL_ROUTINES >  >   LIB$ >  >     LIB$GETJPI > H >          The Get Job/Process Information routine provides a simplifiedK >          interface to the $GETJPI system service. It provides accounting,$L >          status, and identification information about a specified process. > L >          LIB$GETJPI obtains only one item of information in a single call. >  >          Formate > @ >            LIB$GETJPI  item-code [,process-id] [,process-name] > ? >                        [,resultant-value] [,resultant-string]r > , >                        [,resultant-length] > I > Mark heeft geschreven in bericht <3a1bf94b.28078975@news.force9.net>...  >>Hi,a >>C >>I need to write some C code which will return the username of thet1 >>process it is running under.  How is this done?a >> >>TIAe >>Mark Williamsy >> >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:23:58 -0500t2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>A Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process?l7 Message-ID: <200011221924_MC2-BBD6-C4BF@compuserve.com>t  F         Well, I'd use the SYS$GETJPI service.  Say HELP SYSTEM_SERVICED $GETJPI for a quicky outline of how to call  it.  For details, RTFM.   Message text written by Mark >Hi,  A I need to write some C code which will return the username of thed/ process it is running under.  How is this done?    TIAa
 Mark Williamsf <"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:56:12 -0600u) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>eA Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process? / Message-ID: <t1p58jrl6dts9f@corp.supernews.com>a  & "Mark" <mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk> wrote4 in message news:3a1bf94b.28078975@news.force9.net... >aC > I need to write some C code which will return the username of thei1 > process it is running under.  How is this done?(  J If you are running under a current version of OpenVMS, the getlogin() call is available for you.b   -Johnh wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:19:13 -0500u, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>A Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process?a> Message-ID: <hshubs-D7B481.23191322112000@news.mindspring.com>  1 In article <009F3837.4C8D3C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>,   system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  F >Simple then.  You hardcode the username as "SYSTEM" and give out the E >SYSTEM account password to all users.  This not only simplifies codexE >development for this user but also the management of system accountso >on this user's machine.  ;)  & NOT funny.  Someone might believe you!   --  G "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:22:33 -0600C) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>oA Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process?r/ Message-ID: <t1pdr1eucu135d@corp.supernews.com>D  2 "Howard S Shubs" <hshubs@mindspring.company> wroteC in message news:hshubs-D7B481.23191322112000@news.mindspring.com... 2 > In article <009F3837.4C8D3C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>,  > system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >*G > >Simple then.  You hardcode the username as "SYSTEM" and give out the$G > >SYSTEM account password to all users.  This not only simplifies codefG > >development for this user but also the management of system accountsl > >on this user's machine.  ;) >f( > NOT funny.  Someone might believe you!  J Actual common practice on another popular platform seems to be to hardcode9 the application to use the "sa" account with no password.-  G So far I have not heard of anyone admitting to having security actually  breached from this.d   -Johno wb8tyw@qsl.network  Only espressing my own opinions.  I > "...run in circles, scream and shout!"    I hope you have good backups.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:34:19 -0500 # From: "Ram Rajadhyaksha" <dev@null>.* Subject: Installing SCSI disk in MV3100/95 Message-ID: <3a1c7497$1@news>O  L I'm planning to install a new SCSI disk in my MicroVax. It's a Seagate 18 GBI ST318416 device and I am not planning to use it as the boot disk. (I knowl  about that 0x1FFFFF block limit)  I Is there anything else I need to do besides running a "INIT/ERASE DKAxxx"t< after installing the disk? (and keeping my fingers crossed?)  > I take it there is no simple way to partition the disk either.   Thanks,-   -- Ram Rajadhyaksha DLZ Corporation- www.dlzcorp.com-   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:07:15 -0600 (CST)B From: sms@antinode.org* Subject: Installing SCSI disk in MV3100/95) Message-ID: <00112222071507@antinode.org>u      Mr. Rajadhyaksha:  N > I'm planning to install a new SCSI disk in my MicroVax. It's a Seagate 18 GBK > ST318416 device and I am not planning to use it as the boot disk. (I know:" > about that 0x1FFFFF block limit)  E    As that's not a VAX_station_ 3100, I would not bet that it has the D 1GB disk size limit in its firmware.  The VMS FAQ says that only the6 models 10[e] and 20[e] (and not all of those) have it.  K > Is there anything else I need to do besides running a "INIT/ERASE DKAxxx" > > after installing the disk? (and keeping my fingers crossed?)  ?    Why /ERASE?  The HELP does not suggest that it does a formatpG operation, which you probably don't need to do anyway.  On a VAXstationiF 3100, there's a firmware format (TEST 7<something>, as I recall) whichG does a real format.  There may be something like it on a MicroVAX, too,  but why bother?t  @ > I take it there is no simple way to partition the disk either.  9    Right.  Disk partitioning is not normally done on VMS.e  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)eG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)n9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)d   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 22 Nov 00 16:06:11 GMT0 From: heimann@ecs.umass.edud2 Subject: Re: Looking for RJ45-to-ThinWire adapter., Message-ID: <8vhu13$c3g$1@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  ' In Article <8vclmc$lfn$1@acme.gcfn.org>i- rschaefe@gcfn.org (Robert F Schaefer) writes:r >heimann@ecs.umass.edu wrote:$* >: In Article <8v9otv$fn7$1@acme.gcfn.org>0 >: rschaefe@gcfn.org (Robert F Schaefer) writes:N >: >connect some 10B2 equipment to a 10BT network.  I do however have a numberL >: >of Asante `Friendlynet (tm) Thin Adapter's.  These are self-powered, and ><snip>m >nJ >: If these are the Asante Friendlynet adapters I remember, they are not aJ >: 10BaseT to 10Base2 adapter.  Rather they are just "dongles" that happenJ >: to use a RJ45 plug to connect with the rest of the Asante equipment.  AI >: different dongle was used for connecting to each type of 10 Mb wiring.4 >3J >*Oh*  Hmm.  That would make a difference, I believe.  The office buildingK >I `rescued' them from was wired with coax, so I just assumed that it was ag* >comverter to cat5.  Doh!  Never assume... >s3 >I wonder how easy it is to get the other half.  :/t  K If you have the Asante part number available, you may be able to look it upeK on the Asante site, www.asante.com, to see what exactly you have.  The onesuG I am thinking of used a cable between the NIC and the adapter that justtK happened to use RJ-45 connectors like 10BaseT uses.  But power was suppliednK to the end.  That allowed the coax connection to be a ways away from the PC K or Mac the NIC was in, less likely to be disturbed when equipment was movedeJ around.  Unfortunately Asante sold so many different pieces of FriendlynetI equipment, I could be thinking of an entirely different adapter than whato you have in hand.    Joe Heimannp   heimann@ecs.umass.eduO   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 16:48:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 2 Subject: Re: Memo:  RE: Technology of US Elections, Message-ID: <3A1C3103.36436C7D@videotron.ca>  M What happens if they wait too long and the pregnant ballots give birth to newT	 ballots ?   K They'd have to rule the whole election as failed since the state would haveiJ allowed balots that were not present on election day to be inserted in the5 stack of ballots that were devlvered on election day.a  J Therefore, the Florida courts should rule ASAP on abortion of the pregnantK ballots. But until what time after pregnancy was begun would an abortion beFM permitted ? And would the court allow a panel of 3 to decide on abortion of a 1 pregnant ballot without the ballot's permission ?u   :-)t   ------------------------------   Date: 22 Nov 2000 19:19 CSTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)22 Subject: Re: Memo:  RE: Technology of US Elections- Message-ID: <22NOV200019193260@gerg.tamu.edu>a  1 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes...iN }What happens if they wait too long and the pregnant ballots give birth to new
 }ballots ?  + This could explain the existance of "chad".a   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:10:07 -0800e! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com0- Subject: Memo: RE: Technology of US Elections D Message-ID: <OFBEC19D50.2E4DFE47-ON8825699F.00773CF7@foundation.com>  J Note. This response is intended to be read with tongue firmly in cheek. No" offence intended, just dry humour.   Shane      Paul Beaudoin wrote:  @ >On behalf of Americans everywhere ( they can't write either)... >eD >1. You can't revoke Independance as you did not grant it. We kickedF >your ass once and we can do it again even if the Comander in Cheif is  >currently unavaialble (unknown)  G Not quite true, in several ways. When you went after your independance,pA we were also fighting the French. Since it's always been more funaF beating up the French than other Englishmen, we decided to put most ofD our effort into that. However, since we knew you wouldn't appreciateG independance as much unless you felt you earned it we left a few of ournD more idiotic generals and their troops for you to beat up. It helped clean our gene pool too.  F >2. As Aluminum was developed in the U.S. first, we got to name it and >decree the pronuciation.s  F You're missing the point. We're English, so we're right. End of story.6 (Note for Eddie Izzard fans only: "We've got a flag.")  G >3. Please do - we are sick of Microsoft too. This may be a good use ofS- >what is left of the British army. Good Luck.r  A Would you prefer Mr. Gates boiled or fried? BTW, our SAS can clubsE your SEALs any day of the week, with one hand tied behind their backsi; and a baloney sandwich in the other. Any arguments, meet usu6 behind the bike sheds after school and we'll prove it.  D >4. No can do. We regard black hats as a bit passe and have no otherF >mechanisnm to determine the bad guys. It will make the movies hard to >follow.  K Let me rephrase that. It will make the movies hard to follow FOR AMERICANS.iI Other countries tend to be able to follow stories more complex than "Spots isI a dog. See Spot run. Run, Spot, run." As for quality, Battlefield Earth -e" Nuff sed. See also my answer to 2.  E >5. You should remember that it was in fact God Save the King (George, >III)t  F IIRC, George the Third was a couple of jewels short of a crown. He was! into some very strange things....S  C >6. Soccer, or as your vernacular requires, football is a civilised F >game played by thugs. Football (the real one) is more similar to yourC >rugby, a thugs game played by gentlemen. Should you manage to sortv >this out, we can talk.r  G No, American football is a game for thugs played by criminals, and even E they are sissies. Protective padding, and all that prancing around inf" the end zone like girls. Nuff sed.  E >7. What do the French always have to come into it? Are you obsessed?e* >It's worse than football and the Germans!   See my response to 1.   G >8. Yeah - OK but we still want the day off. We don't get many holidayse >over here ya know.1  E This will probably be what you're happiest about in the deal. EnglishdB companies typically give at least 20 days vacation a year, and theH legally mandated paid sick leave adds up to an extra 70 or so. So there.. When we take over, you get our laws, remember?   >9. That's a deal. >tG >Note: As I am neither American or British I consider myself neutral inn# >this insulting but funny exchange.t  * Don't tell me, French, right? See 1 again.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 18:09:50 -0500h) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>t1 Subject: RE: Memo: RE: Technology of US Elections-B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A6248@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----H > From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com [mailto:Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com] > @ > Note. This response is intended to be read with tongue firmly  > in cheek. No$ > offence intended, just dry humour. >  > Paul Beaudoin wrote: > B > >On behalf of Americans everywhere ( they can't write either)... > >t< > >8. Yeah - OK but we still want the day off. We don't get  > many holidaysi > >over here ya know.A > G > This will probably be what you're happiest about in the deal. English D > companies typically give at least 20 days vacation a year, and the= > legally mandated paid sick leave adds up to an extra 70 or c > so. So there.y0 > When we take over, you get our laws, remember? >   A That sounds like a good deal as long as you agree not to be boundXA by the European Court.  If my kids need to be spanked, I'll spankr them.  i     Eric Ebinger  t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:58:40 +1200 . From: Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj>  Subject: RE: more mail questionsO Message-ID: <791C2856E8FDD211BAFB0008C759919501A62A3A@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj>-  K I do not know how you can achieve this with the DCL command mail but I know1L of a better mail system called pine that lets you do it and it is heaps more better than the DCL mail.S  L I do not know where the binaries are but the following is a link to the pine website .. that should have it http://www.washington.edu/pine/-   Enjoy!!-   -----Original Message-----8 From: Phillip du Plooy [mailto:itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za]* Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 12:18 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com. Subject: more mail questions     Hi  K How do I put an attachment on a mail that I send from the command line? ( IsL do not want the file like dka0:[000000]stuff.txt in the body of the mail but& as a txt file , maby someting like:  )( $ mail ??? /subje=test /attach=stuff.txt  	 thank you  Phillip du Plooy Potchefstroom University South Africa   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:57:32 -0500*  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>  Subject: RE: more mail questions4 Message-ID: <1001122232347.341B-100000@Ives.egh.com>  + On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Nivlesh Chandra wrote:t  M > I do not know how you can achieve this with the DCL command mail but I knowGN > of a better mail system called pine that lets you do it and it is heaps more > better than the DCL mail.a > N > I do not know where the binaries are but the following is a link to the pine  > website .. that should have it! > http://www.washington.edu/pine/   F According to recent mail in the vms pine mailing list, this version ofF Pine doesn't work with VMS.  The most recent version of Pine that doesD work with VMS is apparently V3.91-2 (which I am using to post this.): I think it is on the Freeware disk, and is available from:      http://www.innosoft.com/ 2    http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/pine-vms/)    ftp://ftp2.kcl.ac.uk/pub/vms/pine-vms/e    t See the VMS FAQ, item MAIL9r  1 There is a vms pine mailing list (low traffic).   7 To subscribe just send a message that says SUBSCRIBE to0 VMS-Pine-request@merrimack.edu.<  A P.S.  My copy of the FAQ (19-Aug-2000) seems to have all the MAILf items twice.    	 > Enjoy!!6 >  > -----Original Message-----: > From: Phillip du Plooy [mailto:itbpjdp@puknet.puk.ac.za], > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2000 12:18 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comg > Subject: more mail questions >  >  > Hi > M > How do I put an attachment on a mail that I send from the command line? ( IsN > do not want the file like dka0:[000000]stuff.txt in the body of the mail but( > as a txt file , maby someting like:  )* > $ mail ??? /subje=test /attach=stuff.txt >  > thank youe > Phillip du Plooy > Potchefstroom University > South Africa   -- g John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:08:32 +0100w" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>? Subject: Re: Networking VaxStationII with DEQNA Ethernet TCP/IP ( Message-ID: <8vh8f4$kkb$1@news.IAEhv.nl>   Tim,  A two ethernet interfaces just to accomodate two protocol stacks ise2 not quite necessary. Nice for performance perhaps.= AFAIK Multinet had an IP stack for VMS 4.5. MicroVMS has somePH components taylored off, but you can always revert to installing regular$ VMS 4.5 (provided you have the kit).  E If you want to use two devices (lines in NCP jargon) then you need tocH have the DECnet routing kit installed and IIRC microVMS has only endnodeI capabilities. That does not allow two (ethernet) lines active at the same[ time.sJ You must configure the second device manually. If they're both DEQNA's theC you have a line (and circuit) called XQA-0 . NCP SHO LINE XQA0 CHARt7 lists the characteristics (same for the circuit XQA-0).>K Do a SET LINE XQA-1 and enter the same values, except STATE, that should bef off.L Similar for circuit XQA-1. Next set the circuit and line states for XQA-0 to off and- turn XQA-1 on. That should run. / Check vector and IO address settings in SYSGEN:a $ mc sysgen) SYSGEN> config DEVICE> xqa0                etco   end check for the results.  
 Hans Vlems  % Tim Olson heeft geschreven in bericht8- <3A1AF387.905F8D2D@unionsemiconductor.com>...m >Hi vms people,  >m@ >I've just been assigned the task of putting a VAX system on ourA >company network.  It's an old VaxStation II running MicroVMS 4.5_; >This machine has the Q-bus, and it previously had only onei@ >DEQNA card with an Ethernet Transciever hooked up.  The machineC >is hooked through the first Transciever to another VAX system thatg5 >is part of an old IC Tester.  They communicate fine._ >,@ >I robbed another DEQNA card out of an old VAX chassis, and went; >through putting it inline in the Q-Bus path....it ended upS9 >right below the original card.  Now there are 2 Ethernetn< >ports, and 2 Transcievers.  One is hooked up to our network >and the other to the tester.u >n@ >I need to know how to give this 2nd Ethernet port an IP address% >so we can hopefully Telnet in to it.e > : >Ideally I'd like to find out how to read all the old node< >and IP configuration info out of the machine so that I know# >what it used to be before I start.  >o= >What also might be more practical in the long run is to takeB< >both the tester and this vax and network them independently: >so they don't have an ethernet link between them, but use8 >our network to talk.  This would allow me to remove the* >2nd ethernet port from the VaxStation II. >wA >Can anyone help get me started with getting the IP configuration 8 >going on these things using MicroVMS 4.5?   I'm finding< >there's info out there, but usually about OpenVMS and newer1 >versions. Also, it appears that if I simply do aR; >sys$manager:netconfig that I'll end up changing node namesh@ >and such and I may mess up the communication that we *DO* have.> >I'm also concerned that the same command won't recognise that >I do have 2 ethernet ports. >F= >Any help would be appreciated.  I've worked on an old PDP-11D@ >system a bit, but other than that, I've never done much digging >into these Q-bus systems. >N< >Thanks in advance!  If you can CC: to my email address that/ >would be great so I get your response quicker.u >_ >Tim >l >--)" >Tim Olson - Systems Administrator% >mailto:tolson@unionsemiconductor.coms   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:23:20 GMTD4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net># Subject: No punch cards, just VOTE!/= Message-ID: <IzYS5.19602$M51.5622514@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>e   Foks,N  G Here's your chance to influence Compaq in a positive manner. Go for it!   K For the past several months, representatives of Encompass (DECUS) have been.= working closely with representatives of ITUG to create "Local;I Voices...Global Reach," a Compaq User Group Online Advocacy Program. This A program is now live and in progress at www.CompaqWorkingGroup.orgs% <http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/>.I  @ It is important that you participate in this program. The "LocalD Voices...Global Reach" Online Advocacy Program is the most importantJ opportunity we have as a user community. It ensures that our high priorityH issues and concerns receive attention from Compaq's product managers and business decision makers.>  E It's easy to participate. There are four main phases. The first is inl progress right now.n  G 1. Now through 30 November 2000: Submit your Compaq business issues and D concerns via the "Post Issues" section of www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org% <http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/>.E  K 2. From 5 February through 5 March 2001: Complete the survey in the "Answer-- Survey" section of www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org-F <http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/> to help prioritize the issues andC concerns identified through the posting process. The survey will beuK consolidated by the Business Enhancements Committee after 30 November 2000.jJ The Business Enhancements Committee comprises six representatives from the0 user groups and two representatives from Compaq.  L 3. After 5 March 2001: Members who participated in the prioritization surveyH can see how their priorities compare with those of other Compaq users byJ viewing the instant results of the survey. These results will be presented
 to Compaq.  K 4. After 30 April 2001: Compaq's response to these issues will be posted inIB the "See Compaq's Response" section of www.CompaqWorkingGroup.org.  G This program is an example of how user groups play an important role innK influencing the future direction of Compaq. Please help ensure our group ise6 properly represented. Visit www.CompaqWorkingGroup.orgH <http://www.compaqworkinggroup.org/> before 30 November 2000, and submit" your business issues and concerns.         -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 22:48:41 GMTe8 From: "Volckaerts, Tommy" <Tommy.Volckaerts@Advalvas.be> Subject: openvsm and vga cards5 Message-ID: <d3YS5.137$b9.9169@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>l  G I'm looking for a vga card that will work under ALL OS including VMS. IrK mean, Windows NT 4/2000, True64 5.0, Linux and OpenVMS 7.3 (okay also 7.2.X  also).  K Which card does this? I can find a card for NT, unix and linux, but the VMSe part is tricky?:  7 Currently I have  a S3 Trio64V+ with 2mb, will this do?0  H My Alpha is an Digital Personal Workstation 500a (yes I installed a scsi? cdrom for OpenVMS) with 256mb ecc and a Qlogic UW-scsi Adapter.I   Please, anyone?i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 23:32:21 GMTa( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>" Subject: Re: openvsm and vga cards' Message-ID: <G4G9Dy.Irt@spcuna.spc.edu>n  8 Volckaerts, Tommy <Tommy.Volckaerts@advalvas.be> writes:I > I'm looking for a vga card that will work under ALL OS including VMS. IeM > mean, Windows NT 4/2000, True64 5.0, Linux and OpenVMS 7.3 (okay also 7.2.Xs > also). >oM > Which card does this? I can find a card for NT, unix and linux, but the VMSM > part is tricky?l  G   I expect the #9 330 would meet your requirement, though it's somewhaty: limited in terms of available resolutions and color depth.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:55:19 -05000/ From: "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com>o' Subject: Re: Question on using VMS Mail ) Message-ID: <3A1C24A6.4D93@ix.netcom.com>1   Zane H. Healy wrote: > L > These days I seem to find most of my personnel email being done on my HomeG > VMS box using the VMS MAIL command.  However, there is one thing thateK > irritates me.  When I reply to a message I'd like to have the '>'s on thetK > left side of the text like most email programs seem to do.  However, I've > > been unable to find a way to do that with MAIL or with EDIT. > N > Does anyone have any tips or tricks on how I can get this done?  I'm getting* > tired of putting them there manually :^) >  >                         Zane  ? If you are using EDIT as you editor, put the following in your   initialization file-     DEF K GOLD ~ AS "ADVERI~~/\~~^Z+ BR500(I>^ZL)BRS%~~/\~~%%L-VSELERCUTSRER^M."s  A This puts ~~/\~~ at the end of the file, then inserts ">" at the 2A begining of the first 500 lines, then backs up to the ~~/\~~ and tF erases any extra lines.  Of course, it assumes that your mail message C is 500 lines or less.  If that is not so you can change the 500 to tC what ever you need.  If you want "> " as you quote, the change the e I>^z to I> ^z.   Joe H. Gallagher, Ph. D.$ Former SIG Chair & Newsletter Editor+ DATATRIEVE/4GL SIG of DECUS (now Encompass)- dtrwiz@ix dot netcom dot com" See "The DATATRIEVE Programmer" at2 http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/8958/   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2000 21:36:36 +0100) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)r' Subject: Re: Question on using VMS Mailr! Message-ID: <2$4cytZIxIiu@ludens>p  [ In article <3A1C24A6.4D93@ix.netcom.com>, "Joe H. Gallagher" <dtrwiz@ix.netcom.com> writes:o > Zane H. Healy wrote: [...]u  L >> irritates me.  When I reply to a message I'd like to have the '>'s on theL >> left side of the text like most email programs seem to do.  However, I've? >> been unable to find a way to do that with MAIL or with EDIT.o >> m >>                         Zanee > A > If you are using EDIT as you editor, put the following in your   > initialization filew > " >  DEF K GOLD ~ AS "ADVERI~~/\~~^Z- > BR500(I>^ZL)BRS%~~/\~~%%L-VSELERCUTSRER^M."p >    Hi,u  : There is an (DECUS originating?) TPU program that do that.   Regards, Adam MaulisaG -------------------------- cut this -----------------------------------, !helo! !i !  File:	MAILQUOTE.TPU !  Author:	? !  Desc:" !     quote mail messages with ">" !e !  History:s, !	Maulis  "MAIL> read/edit" fix		13-NOV-2000 !	Maulis	redesign			12-NOV-2000a" !	???	Long unrecorded history		??? !.# ! extend the EVE with this feature:c !	EDIT/TPU  thisfile
 !	EXTEND * !	SAVE EXTENDED EVE  filename.? !	and... use TPU$SECTION logical name to point this new secton,sA !	or use EVE$SECTION logical name to replace original EVE$SECTION  !4! ! extend LSEDIT with this features !	LSED thisfileh !	EXECUTE BUFFER TPU !	SAVE SECTION somewhere? !	and... use LSE$SECTION logical name to point this new section  !t& procedure tpu$local_init	! Module Init   	mailquote_auto_update := 1;  H 	! choose either a fixed quote string or "ASK" to be prompted each time.  	mailquote_quote_string := "> ";# 	! mailquote_quote_string := "ASK";s   	! invoke the main routine   	mailquote_mail_quote;  
 endprocedure;c     !aK ! Add the string from mailquote_quote_string at the beginning of the buffer - ! this procedure is always called at startup.e !i !. Procedure mailquote_Mail_Quote  = Local Quote_String, In_file_ext, In_file_name, Out_file_name;g      On_Errore       eve_refresh;3       message("Error using automatic MAIL QUOTE.");m       Return    EndOn_Error;       ! exit, if read -only bufferr-    IF get_info(Command_Line,"read_only") thenm
       Return  	    Endif;s  D    !Check if the file parsed is a mail file, and there is different %    !output file ("MAIL> read/ed" fix)       !Get the extension L    In_file_ext := File_Parse(get_info(Command_Line,"File_Name"),"","",Type);         !Get the file namesM    In_file_name := File_Parse(get_info(Command_Line,"File_Name"),"","",Name);eP    Out_file_name := File_Parse(get_info(Command_Line,"output_file"),"","",Name);  +    !Now, see if input is "Mail_*_Edit.Tmp"  #    !and output is "MAIL_*_SEND.TMP"dC    !or DECWMAIL$*.TMP for DECWindows Mail (20-JAN-1991 11:59:22.27)   /    If ((((index(In_file_name,"MAIL_") = 1) and s( 	 (index(In_file_name,"_EDIT") <> 0) and0          (index(Out_file_name,"MAIL_") = 1) and /          (index(Out_file_name,"_SEND") <> 0) ) ,
         or/         (index(In_file_name,"DECWMAIL$") = 1)) -'        and (In_file_ext = ".TMP")) thenh  F      !DECWMAIL$ file can be for sending, in which case they are empty."      !Test for this before quoting  E      if beginning_of (current_buffer) <> end_of (current_buffer) then 3        Message("Quoting included message text...");iA !      eve$mail_remove_header(mailquote_quote_string,"external");n.        Position(Beginning_Of(current_buffer));        Loop +          Copy_Text(mailquote_quote_string);i          Position(Line_Begin);          Move_Vertical(1);4          ExitIf (Mark(None)=End_Of(current_buffer));        EndLoop;f3        Split_Line;  Split_Line;  Move_Vertical(-1);n0        Message("Quoted included message text.");.        Position(Beginning_Of(current_buffer));      endif;a	    EndIf;d  
 EndProcedure;a   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 21:23:47 GMTc2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>' Subject: Re: Question on using VMS Maila4 Message-ID: <DPWS5.367$OC.95811@typhoon.aracnet.com>  L A kind soul sent me a very cool DCL script that pre-processes the file priorG to envoking the editor.  Even adds the signature file in and will spell0 check upon finishing.   K So now I've got MAIL working the way I wanted (actually better) and life iss good.    			ZaneF   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2000 16:45:26 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler): Subject: Re: Research survey on cross platform development+ Message-ID: <G1NnJTqamfBC@eisner.decus.org>r  g In article <S0KG377oUbEF@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:t   > The survey can be found at( > http://www.wpi.edu/~mongoose/mqp/poll/  - So what's with the Iguana?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouptE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying[   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2000 17:04:54 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) : Subject: Re: Research survey on cross platform development+ Message-ID: <$diiEcs27Ohz@eisner.decus.org>   Z In article <G1NnJTqamfBC@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes:i > In article <S0KG377oUbEF@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:w >  >> The survey can be found ata) >> http://www.wpi.edu/~mongoose/mqp/poll/t >  o > So what's with the Iguana?  E I have no idea.  I just saw the post in another newsgroup and thoughtCC some input from VMS folk might be good for VMS.  That happens a lotg in the Macintosh community.s  A I am not suggesting people flood the survey artificially, but theoG organizers thought of another platform's newsgroup but not comp.os.vms.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:32:32 GMTt* From: Doran Werling <rwscsinc@my-deja.com>. Subject: Re: RZ26-E and RZ28-E Jumper Settings) Message-ID: <8vh70g$4md$1@nnrp1.deja.com>w  ) In article <8vgook$pdu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,.   ringoh@my-deja.com wrote:p	 > Hi All,. >u0 > I'm looking for information on jumper settings, > for Digital RZ26-E and RZ28-E disk drives. >r	 > Thanks,  >s > Jeff >s( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.r >a  
 Try this  ... ' http://www.pc-disk.de/pcdisk/index.html    Regards,
 Doran Werlingw RW/SCS Inc.n    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.P   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Nov 2000 05:58:19 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall) ' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections 5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-xWW8wBNfSdWM@localhost>e  @ On Wed, 22 Nov 2000 01:01:50, Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:   > M > I realise that this one will be familiar to many people by now, but I think K > this thread is getting way too serious. Here's a little humour injection.o >  > Shanes >  > 0 > Subject:  NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE  0 Well I laughed; but then I would, I'm a Brit :-)   Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:18:42 -0400<- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i' Subject: Re: Technology of US Elections-, Message-ID: <3A1CA8AC.C2D141E9@videotron.ca>   Dave Weatherall wrote:2 > > Subject:  NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE > 2 > Well I laughed; but then I would, I'm a Brit :-)    K One Russian city videotaped a recent election and sent the video to FloridacL authorities to show how voting in a democracy should be done. Who would haveJ though that Russia would have shown to the USA how to run a democracy ????  L Also, in a way, I really hope that this lawyer driver soap opera lasts untilM Monday evening. Canada is having federal elections on Monday, and it would be L a riot if Canada got its results before the USA... I wonder if the USA mediaI will even mention that their neighbour in the frozen north will be havinghN elections that day. Might be interesting for them to cover how it is done here versus in the USA.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:54:44 -0600i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>T7 Subject: UAF Quotas - Y'ain't a-gonna believe this'n... , Message-ID: <3A1C86F4.DFE655A@earthlink.net>   Check this out, folks:   UAF> SHOW PRODUCTIONB Username: PRODUCTION                       Owner:  Production Jobs [snip]9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:       750  WSdef:        10000I9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         7500o9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     81920c [snip]  A Does anyone have any idea what might happen when WSdef > WSquota?Q  8 I almost can't believe this runs under these conditions!  A I wonder where the working set limit gets set at process creationgH time... I'd think it would go to WSquota and no higher until the process- starts page faulting, but I could be wrong...    -- t David J. Dachteran dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:58:00 +0100W" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>2 Subject: Re: ucx setup for use with a cable router( Message-ID: <8vh7rc$jch$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  F I tried cable once. For a PC, but the experience may be useful to you.A The cable guys match the mac addresses of the cable modem and theaE computer behind it in their database. Every time a connection is madeoL these two must match with the stored information. If the ISP runs DHCP, thenC it is even easier for them to keep you in line (one system, right).sH If you happen to run DECnet then the mac address of the machine suddenly changes: no joy.  ! So, do you run DECnet on the AXP?h  
 Hans Vlems  , Hank Vander Waal heeft geschreven in bericht/ <000101c05498$4fb618b0$2c96a8c6@mscmain.com>...2H >I am running a alpha VMS system (7.1 UCX 4.1) and have just installed aJ >cable modem to use for internet access.   The cable modem has a couple of, >fixed IP address and we want one of them toK >connect directly to the alpha.  The cable folks have set up one address touL >forward to our internal network address for the alpha but I am not sure howL >or what I have to set up under UCX to get this to work.  I try to telnet toH >the address and get nothing at all.  Anyone have this kind of set up or know >what I need to do???u >  >Hank Vander Waal  >s >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 00:15:34 -0600y) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>e2 Subject: Re: ucx setup for use with a cable router/ Message-ID: <t1pdduot54i7b1@corp.supernews.com>   - "Hans Vlems" <hvlems#iae.nl> wrote in messager" news:8vh7rc$jch$1@news.IAEhv.nl...H > I tried cable once. For a PC, but the experience may be useful to you.C > The cable guys match the mac addresses of the cable modem and thekG > computer behind it in their database. Every time a connection is made I > these two must match with the stored information. If the ISP runs DHCP,r thenE > it is even easier for them to keep you in line (one system, right).iJ > If you happen to run DECnet then the mac address of the machine suddenly > changes: no joy.  J On my cable modem, the mac address database appears to be local.  It seemsI to require powering cycling the cable modem to get it to accept a new macC address.  # > So, do you run DECnet on the AXP?t  K I would recommend that you disable MOP servicing on the connection from theo AXP to the cable modem.a   >r. > Hank Vander Waal heeft geschreven in bericht1 > <000101c05498$4fb618b0$2c96a8c6@mscmain.com>...rJ > >I am running a alpha VMS system (7.1 UCX 4.1) and have just installed aL > >cable modem to use for internet access.   The cable modem has a couple of. > >fixed IP address and we want one of them toJ > >connect directly to the alpha.  The cable folks have set up one address toJ > >forward to our internal network address for the alpha but I am not sure howMK > >or what I have to set up under UCX to get this to work.  I try to telnet  toJ > >the address and get nothing at all.  Anyone have this kind of set up or > know > >what I need to do???s  K We really need a better description of your network topology to give you an  accurate answer.  I A cable modem should not be on the same ethernet segment as your internaluL network for various reasons, including that you should not trust the filters  that your ISP says are in place.  K So your connection from a cable modem to the rest of your network should bew through a router.p  I Your VMS system can be used as a router, or you may designate a dedicatedtG box that can be purchased for a few hundred U.S. dollars to do the job.l  C The dedicated boxes may be preferred as they can do Network Addressn Translation.  I If you choose to use your VMS system as a router, you connect a dedicated F line from one of your ethernet ports to the ethernet port on the cableJ modem.  The address assigned to your VMS system is set to that port.  That> port needs to set it's default gateway to be the ISP's router.  J If you have a range of addresses assigned to you, you can then use them onI the internal network and have them connected on the same network that thedL VMS system's other ethernet controller is on.  These other systems will have, the VMS system set as their default gateway.  K For this to work, you will have to have a public address reserved for everyo  system on your internal network.  D The other method is to use Network Address Translation.  A poster onI comp.os.vms said that they had developed that software for VMS.  I do notyD have their link handy, but you can check http://www.deja.com for it.  I Network address translation is where the all outgoing requests to the ISPiL are translated by your router to look like they came from the single addressK that the ISP assigned to you.  It does this by maintaining an internal port. translation table.  L You then have an internal address range like 10.1.1.1 which is guaranteed to, not be duplicated somewhere on the Internet.  J For incoming requests, like your telnet, the address translation tables inG the router must be configured to send the telnet requests to a specific/F host.  You can have the TELNET requests go to one host, and the FTP to another and so on.  J In this configuration, you configure the translating router as the defaultI gateway, and it should have the ISP's router configured as it's next hop.-  L A lowcost LINUX box can be used, or a dedicated box like the one I mentioned above can also be used.r  J And again, do not be tempted to just connect the cable modem up as anotherL tap on your internal network.  Use your own router.  And do not allow M$soft6 file sharing protocols to be seen by your cable modem.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------    Date: 22 Nov 2000 13:55:10 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) $ Subject: Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU* Message-ID: <8vh4qe$150$1@lisa.gemair.com>  K In article <Pine.VMS.3.91-2.1001122121102.28644A-100000@killer.azbell.com>,u, Stanley F. Quayle <SQUAYLE@stanq.com> wrote:( >On 22 Nov 2000, Jordan Henderson wrote: >> [...], but I don't . >> have it on every system that I need to use. > I >I do 95% of my development on VMS, and have memorized the keystrokes so iJ >well that I can edit blindfolded.  I got past the keyboard problems with J >a good emulator and now use a PC for 99% of the 95%.  The pain is that I C >have a different editor on VMS, Linux, HP-UX, DOS, Windows, etc...s >u> >> I standardized on VILE everywhere and I'm pretty satisfied.0 >> Got to remember - editor wars in comp.os.vms,' >> never on topic, always out of style.t >z, >No flames from me.  If you like it, use it. >a  B I didn't feel any flames coming from you.  That "Got to remember" > was a note to myself.  I was the one who was making invidious ? comparisons between editors.  I feel certain that I'm starting n? an editor flame war by daring to suggest that a VI-like editor e< can do things (unlimited redo in the case of VILE) that TPU  cannot.m    Oops, there I said it again. :-)  < I guess I really _do_ want to start an editor flame war. :-)   >--Stan' >  >----------fH >Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-16714 >8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA@ >Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com         http://www.stanq.com >i >E >    -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 20:21:27 -0500)2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)$ Subject: Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPUL Message-ID: <rdeininger-2211002021270001@user-2iveakk.dialup.mindspring.com>  V In article <8vgf7k$hcg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bru, Pierre <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr> wrote:   > hello, > < > one of my users do want to use "vi" (nobody is perfect...)E > of course, I could give him VILE or Vim but I once read about a TPU	A > section that emulate vi. could s/o help me to find this again ?e   I have it.  I've used it almost exclusively for 10 years or more.  It works on alpha and Vax.  I've used it from version 5.5-2 to 7.1-2, and I have no doubt it will work on 7.2 and beyond.  	This version was written by Gregg Wonderly at the Math department at Oklahoma State University, around 1988 or so.  We tried unsuccessfully to contact him several years ago.  If anyone knows where he is, or if there has been further development, please let me know.s   In any case, the package appears to be freely distributable.  I have been hoping to find time to package it up for the freeware CD.s  tI have made a couple of small fixes.  There is still a bit of Macro-32 that won't link on alphas due to the downgrading of the linker. I haven't had time to fix this, but it only forces me to use an alternate method to start the editor.  (I have to use a DCL symbol and the EDIT/TPU command, rather than a DCL verb.)  The basic functionality of the editor is not affected.  _The only other vi I have ever used extensively was the one that came with Eunice.  The only thing the TPU version doesn't do is display line numbers.  Some of the ex mode commands seem to be a teensy bit broken, though I don't really know exactly how they are supposed to work.  This version does add a number of extra features, notably split screens.n   It does keystroke journalling.  I've fiddled with commands to do buffer-change journalling instead, but I haven't had time to integrate them into the editor.  I have NOT done journal recovery; I figure on making that work the first time I really need it.  + It integrates nicely with MAIL, NOTES, etc.T   This section file works instead of, not on top of, the EVE section file.  So you don't have access to EVE functionality, but you can use low-level TPU commands when you need them.e  BThe section file is about 13,000 lines of TPU, and there are various support files as well.  There is currently no "kit", and thanks to the firewall Nazis I have no way to make it available on the net.  I could probably make e-mail compatible chunks, or upload it onto someone's ftp site.  Hopefully I can make a kit soon.   -- u Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 04:23:37 +0100e2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)$ Subject: Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU; Message-ID: <3a1c8db9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   , Stanley F. Quayle (SQUAYLE@stanq.com) wrote: : The pain is that I  D : have a different editor on VMS, Linux, HP-UX, DOS, Windows, etc...  I For that reason I use Micro-Emacs which I have it for all of my platformsgH (DOS, Windoze, OS/2, Linux, VMS) - to throw another alternative into the editor flamewar ;-)e   cu,    Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:41:55 +0800 4 From: Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>$ Subject: Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU+ Message-ID: <3A1CA013.1DFC30FC@bigpond.com>-   Martin Vorlaender wrote: > . > Stanley F. Quayle (SQUAYLE@stanq.com) wrote: > : The pain is that IF > : have a different editor on VMS, Linux, HP-UX, DOS, Windows, etc... > K > For that reason I use Micro-Emacs which I have it for all of my platformsrJ > (DOS, Windoze, OS/2, Linux, VMS) - to throw another alternative into the > editor flamewar ;-)   B I believe TECO is also available on a large number of platforms...   >  > cu,-
 >   Martin > --  One TECO to rule them all  One TECO to find them  One TECO to bring them allp  And in the Darkness bind them.G   	:-)   -- w Regards, Dave.aI -------------------------------------------------------------------------sI David B Sneddon (dbs)    VMS Systems Programmer     dbsneddon@bigpond.com7I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmuI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" LennonE   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:22:01 +0100o  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>$ Subject: Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU+ Message-ID: <VA.00000198.1868f5a7@sture.ch>g  B In article <8vgtfk$olu$1@lisa.gemair.com>, Jordan Henderson wrote: > H > Hey, I really have nothing against TPU, well not much (lack of UNDO isF > annoying - I think I'm going to regret saying that...), but I don't F > have it on every system that I need to use.  When I do use TPU, I'm C > too used to the 'ol EDT keyboard, which is more than a little bitt$ > difficult to emulate on my laptop. > ! [snip] to avoid an editor war :-)w  N In TPU/EVE, issue DO followed by SET KEPYPAD EDT (can be abbreviated to S K E  IIRC).  5 Alternatively slot the following into your login.com:    $ define eve$keypad edt8 ___m
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