1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 23 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 655       Contents: 164LX system3 almost identical system disks in different clusters * Re: attunity product installation comments# Re: BATCH File Rename - Satisfied !  Common/Local eventflags  Re: Common/Local eventflags + Freeware RunTimeLibraryes for Alpha OpenVMS  Help me for Mozilla 8 Re: How do you find the username of the current process?) Re: Looking for RJ45-to-ThinWire adapter. ) Re: Memo:  RE: Technology of US Elections ( Re: Memo: RE: Technology of US Elections Re: more mail questions  Re: openvsm and vga cards  qman journal Re: qman journal Re: qman journal Re: Question on using VMS Mail Re: Question on using VMS Mail Re: Technology of US Elections2 Re: UAF Quotas - Y'ain't a-gonna believe this'n...+ Using commands defined with set in makefile / Re: Using commands defined with set in makefile  Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:57:26 +0000 2 From: dave dumolo <david.dumolo@syntegra.bt.co.uk> Subject: 164LX system 1 Message-ID: <3A1D3E66.9E8376E0@syntegra.bt.co.uk>   G Someone has probably answered this years ago, but I'm new to this group E and with my Internet connection too much searching would result in my * death before finding what I'm looking for!   The question is this...   F Do you know if it is possible - either officially or unofficially - toE load OpenVMS on a 164LX / 533MHz / SCSI only system? If not, is there B any chance that support will ever be offered or is there some kindB hearted Alpha s/w engineer out there who could donate the required files? (No more NT, PLEASE!!!)   Ta!    Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Nov 2000 13:49:37 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)< Subject: almost identical system disks in different clusters- Message-ID: <8vj79h$sj$1@info.service.rug.nl>    Hi all,     I I've mentioned this topic a few times before, but never got the response  G I wanted.  This makes me think that I didn't state the problem clearly   enough.   G Suppose one has two system disks in different clusters.  Apart from the G UAF and machine-specific things like node name, IP address etc, the two H systems should be identical.  In other words, same version of VMS, same # patches, same layered products etc.   C It seems to me that it is overkill to maintain more than one system F disk.  (Note that the system disks are in different clusters, perhaps I not even on the same LAN.)  Think of all the patches or 7.2-1 recently.   F Is it REALLY necessary to do the same maintenance work on both system I disks?  The same goes for upgrading compilers etc.  (Note that this does  H not apply to third-party software.  I have that on a different disk and I it is trivial to replicate it in another cluster.)  It seems to me to be  E a much more sensible approach to maintain one disk then from time to  H time back it up and restore it to the system disk in the other cluster, 3 then "repair" this so that it is as it should be.     C There is the stuff about "changing the node name" in the FAQ.  This F would have to be gone through.  However, there is the question of "log? files" etc (with or without the .LOG extension) which should be E cluster-specific.  Thus, it seems the thing to do would be to backup  I these files to another disk and then restore them after the "new" system  D disk is restored.  Since all the node-name stuff is hidden in files I somewhere (MODPARAMS.DAT---which should be saved anyway if the hardware,  D load etc are different), perhaps once could get away with a list of G files to be saved before the system disk is overwritten, then restored  
 afterward.  H Does anyone have a definitive, preferably commented, list of such files  or like to compose one?   B I'm sure this must be a really common problem and find it hard to I believe that people actually apply patches, compiler updates etc to two,  # or even more, system disks by hand.    Note:   E One has to think about various dates, version numbers etc when saving E the files and restoring them after the system disk has been updated.     Note:   E In addition to "low-level" VMS files, one might have cluster-specific E stuff in SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM and command files it runs. I have taken to F writing site-dependent conditional code here.  Sure, I could save thisG file like the others, but most changes I make to it apply to all sites, G so I would prefer to have just one version.  I don't like the idea of a D SYSTARTUP_VMS_LOCAL.COM, since some things have to be started beforeH others etc and one would thus need more than one of these, making things hard to understand.)    0 $  ASIMOV = "GLADIA DANEEL ELIJAH        JANDER"> $  ISAAC  = "DARELL SELDON PALVER HARDIN MALLOW HUMMIN UPSHUR"K $  IF F$LOCATE(F$GETSYI("NODENAME"),ASIMOV) .NES. F$LENGTH(ASIMOV) ! ROBOTS  $  THEN  :  $  ELSE K $    IF F$LOCATE(F$GETSYI("NODENAME"),ISAAC) .NES. F$LENGTH(ISAAC) ! EMPIRE 	 $    THEN  :  $  ENDIF  F (It is really amazing how many 6-letter names exist in the fiction of  Isaac Asimov!)     --M Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nl M Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.uk M Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647 M Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100 M NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/   5 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:39:39 -0000 & From: "Antonio" <antlatcx@yahoo.co.uk>3 Subject: Re: attunity product installation comments A Message-ID: <bJbT5.6496$vA4.101064@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>   : Take a look at CONNX at www.generix.ltd.uk/connx/connx.htm  J You can request a download of the full product and during the installationE you just select which module you want to install. e.g RMS, RDB, DBMS,  Oracle, DB2 etc   = David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in message & news:8vcdb2$j05@gap.cco.caltech.edu...K > Have any of you successfully installed the Attunity connect "on platform" L > distribution?  Is the "on platform" variant of any value whatsoever if you0 > don't have an Oracle database on your machine? > K > Silly me.  The blurb in the OpenVMS Times indicated that there was an XML F > parser in the attunity connect package, and a VMS ODBC client, and ID > thought that those might be useful (Now that I've read more of theF > documentation the XML capabilities seem wildly inappropriate for theB > desired task of breaking the data out of an XML encoded databaseI > distribution, and the ODBC client appears to only want to go to another   > attunity connect ODBC server.) > H > I downloaded the "on platform" package (after obtaining some help fromK > Warren Sander, since the downloads wouldn't complete from the web server) 5 > and tried to install.   The instructions say to do:  > % >   $ @Sys$update:vmsinstal AC3000020  >  > but the real command is  > % >  $ @sys$update:vmsinstal NAV3000030  > J > Apparently the name of the product changed recently and the manuals have! > not caught up (or vice versa!).  > J > I chose all default options for the installation. The thing is, while itI > lists adapters for RDB, Oracle, Ingres Sybase, or Codasyl, we only have  RMS F > and S1032 (thanks CCA-INT and Tym Stegner!) but neither of those wasK > listed, so I answered NO for all of those adapters (which was the default 
 > anyway.) > I > Apparently the installation procedure cannot proceed properly unless at F > least one of those is present on the system.  Or maybe the account IL > specified (our web server account) didn't have enough privs?  Or maybe theJ > software is just nonfunctional.  Anyway, the installation trundled alongK > for a while and then went into what looked like the IVP section, where it 1 > proceeded to emit hundreds of errors like this:  >  > Failed in Executing :  > J >  insert into lineitem values (             962.00 ,              31.00 ,- 2.00 ,               1.00 ,               3.0 G > 0 ,         2793.09 ,            0.04 ,            0.00 , 'A' , 'F' , > convert ( '07-Aug-1994' ,date), convert ( '31-Jul-1994' ,date) > , F >  convert ( '02-Sep-1994' ,date), 'TAKE BACK RETURN'          , 'FOB'8 , 'n2xP3 yL7kLRQPR0m'                            )  [Err > or] 1 >         Execute Query failed with error = -2212 H >  1) [A00D] Failed to open table navdemo:lineitem; code: 0: SQL code: 0 > E > which went on for several minutes until it blew up completely with:  > F > %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=04, virtual address=4 > 0000000000000000, PC=000000000041A550, PS=0000001B > 4 >   Improperly handled condition, image exit forced.3 >     Signal arguments:   Number = 0000000000000005 3 >                         Name   = 000000000000000C 3 >                                  0000000000000004 3 >                                  0000000000000000 3 >                                  000000000041A550 3 >                                  000000000000001B  >  >     Register dump:L >     R0  = 0000000000000000  R1  = 000000007B867178  R2  = 000000000031DF00L >     R3  = 000000000061F450  R4  = 00000000000F85F0  R5  = 0000000000000044L >     R6  = 0000000000000001  R7  = 0000000000025800  R8  = 0000000000025800L >     R9  = 0000000000000000  R10 = 000000007FFAD238  R11 = 000000007FFCE3E0L >     R12 = 0000000000000000  R13 = 000000007AFC8330  R14 = 0000000000000000L >     R15 = 000000007AFC7990  R16 = 0000000000000000  R17 = 0000000000000018L >     R18 = 0000000000000003  R19 = 000000007B862010  R20 = 0000000000000000L >     R21 = 0000000000000000  R22 = 01010350006BC3B8  R23 = 000000000101035BL >     R24 = 000000007B52E778  R25 = 0000000000000001  R26 = 000000000041A544L >     R27 = 000000007B860820  R28 = 0000000000000000  R29 = 000000007AE8B150L >     SP  = 000000007AE8B140  PC  = 000000000041A550  PS  = 000000000000001B > = > %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of SWD has been superseded / > Upgrade utility started at 20-Nov-00 14:46:33 ? > Upgrade log file is SEQAXP$DKA0:[000000.NAVROOT.TMP]upgrd.log C > -oldroot <old-navroot>' option is required for 'upgrade_to_3 all'  > FAILEDL > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----  > 9 >         Installation of NAV3000 V3.0 completed at 14:46  > @ >     Adding history entry in VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]VMSINSTAL.HISTORY > K >     Creating installation data file: VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]NAV3000030.VMI_DATA  >  > + >         VMSINSTAL procedure done at 14:46  >  > K > In brief, the installation went wildly haywire.  Unfortunately it did not - > even keep an adequate log of its actions in % VMI$ROOT:[SYSUPD]NAV3000030.VMI_DATA, L > which listed no files as being installed while in fact it put rather a lot > of files into: >  >   DKA0:[NAVROOT] > ; > and also left SYS$COMMON:[SYS$STARTUP]NAV_STARTUP.COM and & SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]NAV_SHUT.COM files. > 7 > Thankfully it did not modify SYS$HELP:HELPLIB.HLB  or F > SYS$LIBRARY:DCLTABLES.EXE so backing out shouldn't be too difficult. > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu @ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:16:39 +0000 0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com>, Subject: Re: BATCH File Rename - Satisfied !, Message-ID: <3A1CEE87.A54F92DA@jpmorgan.com>  5 Thanks to all who replied , personally and to the ng.   ; I've decided to go with the following from Terry Marosites.    $ TOP:& $ FILE_NAME  = F$SEARCH("*''P1'*.*",1)) $ IF FILE_NAME.EQS."" THEN GOTO DONE_DUDE ) $ START_OF_NAME = F$LOCATE(P1, FILE_NAME) 3 $ PART1_NAME = F$EXTRACT(0,START_OF_NAME,FILE_NAME) A $ P2_LEN     = F$LENGTH(FILE_NAME) - START_OF_NAME - F$LENGTH(P1) E $ PART2_NAME = F$EXTRACT(START_OF_NAME+F$LENGTH(P1),P2_LEN,FILE_NAME) 0 $ ANEW_NAME  = "''PART1_NAME'''P2'''PART2_NAME'" $ SHOW SYM FILE_NAME $ SHOW SYM ANEW_NAME $ rename 'FILE_NAME 'ANEW_NAME
 $ GOTO TOP $DONE_DUDE:    ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:49:22 +0100 (MET) , From: system@physik.uni-bonn.de (Peter Kobe)  Subject: Common/Local eventflags/ Message-ID: <00112309492240@physik.uni-bonn.de>    Hallo,  6 is a systemService which reacts on eventflags set from$ local and common eventflag cluster ?   thanks for any help    regards   H.P. Jakob    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:30:29 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> $ Subject: Re: Common/Local eventflags) Message-ID: <3A1D1BF5.AD2ADE82@bbc.co.uk>    Peter Kobe wrote:    > Hallo, > 8 > is a systemService which reacts on eventflags set from& > local and common eventflag cluster ? >   : If I understand your question, then no, you cannot wait on8 event flags from different clusters with $WFLOR, $WFLAND at the same time.   ; If you need common flags at all, you need ALL common flags.  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:19:22 +0100 % From: "IdrEASY" <IdrEASY@bigfoot.com> 4 Subject: Freeware RunTimeLibraryes for Alpha OpenVMS( Message-ID: <8vj911$796g$1@as121.tel.hr>   Does it exist anywhere?  Please send me links.    Thanx    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:20:52 +0200 7 From: Alain Chappuis <Alain.Chappuis@medecine.unige.ch>  Subject: Help me for Mozilla1 Message-ID: <3A1D43E4.1927E522@medecine.unige.ch>    Hello,; I have installed the last version of Mozilla on my station. : When I would like to start mozilla I receive the following	 messages:   8 WARNING, estimated global sections needed=1, available=0  :     The above system parameter(s) may not be sufficient to     successfully run Mozilla.    What I need to make?5 My all images are installed ok I dont see my problem!   ! Thank you in advance for help me.    Alain. --D +----------------------+-------------------------------------------+D | Alain Chappuis       | Responsable du systeme cmu.unige.ch       |D | Analyste programmeur | Responsable des serveurs WEB medecine, JID|D | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis@medecine.unige.ch |D | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone  : +41 (22) [70]25.073              |D | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX    : +41 (22) 347.33.34               | | CH-1211 Geneve 4     | WWW    + :http://cmub.unige.ch/si/alain.html|        D +----------------------+-------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:49:00 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) A Subject: Re: How do you find the username of the current process? 0 Message-ID: <009F38B2.AFD97AB6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  m In article <hshubs-D7B481.23191322112000@news.mindspring.com>, Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes: 2 >In article <009F3837.4C8D3C20@SendSpamHere.ORG>,  >system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  > G >>Simple then.  You hardcode the username as "SYSTEM" and give out the  F >>SYSTEM account password to all users.  This not only simplifies codeF >>development for this user but also the management of system accounts >>on this user's machine.  ;)  >  >NOT funny.    C'mon Howard, you know it is.    >  Someone might believe you!   : And that's even funnier!   Sad, true, but still laughable.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2000 08:31:05 -0500+ From: rschaefe@gcfn.org (Robert F Schaefer) 2 Subject: Re: Looking for RJ45-to-ThinWire adapter.( Message-ID: <8vj66p$6e4$1@acme.gcfn.org>   heimann@ecs.umass.edu wrote: <snip>M : If you have the Asante part number available, you may be able to look it up M : on the Asante site, www.asante.com, to see what exactly you have.  The ones I : I am thinking of used a cable between the NIC and the adapter that just M : happened to use RJ-45 connectors like 10BaseT uses.  But power was supplied M : to the end.  That allowed the coax connection to be a ways away from the PCpM : or Mac the NIC was in, less likely to be disturbed when equipment was moved L : around.  Unfortunately Asante sold so many different pieces of FriendlynetK : equipment, I could be thinking of an entirely different adapter than whatc : you have in hand.e  G I wouldn't think that the other half would be available separately, but-# it's worth a look-see just in case.s   Thanks!a  
 : Joe Heimann0   Bob0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:35:00 +0000n. From: Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com>2 Subject: Re: Memo:  RE: Technology of US Elections* Message-ID: <3A1D2B14.7E4D7D34@oracle.com>   Paul BEAUDOIN wrote:  A > On behalf of Americans everywhere ( they can't write either)...  > E > 1. You can't revoke Independance as you did not grant it. We kicked G > your ass once and we can do it again even if the Comander in Cheif is0! > currently unavaialble (unknown)8  # Only because the French helped you.0  G > 2. As Aluminum was developed in the U.S. first, we got to name it and  > decree the pronuciation.  9 Humphrey Davy (English) was the first to name it (1807) -01 the then unknown metal of which alum was a salt -0+ he called it alumium - which was changed to0 aluminium by later scientists./ Looks like some history lessons will be needed.0  F > 7. What do the French always have to come into it? Are you obsessed?+ > It's worse than football and the Germans!  >0 See the reply to point 1   Peter8   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:32:07 +00000$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk1 Subject: Re: Memo: RE: Technology of US Elections0/ Message-ID: <002569A0.0044DE3D.00@quegw01.btyp>   L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    ) Further to what Paul and Shane have said;t  G >>2. As Aluminum was developed in the U.S. first, we got to name it and. >>decree the pronuciation.  G >You're missing the point. We're English, so we're right. End of story. 7 >(Note for Eddie Izzard fans only: "We've got a flag.")-  M (From the World Aluminium website - http://www.world-aluminium.org/main.html)a  L 1808: Sir Humphrey Davy (Britain) established the existence of aluminium and	 named it.r  M If you read further, you will see that it was only nearly 80 years later that O the colonials produced a significant amount of the metal (15 Tonnes a year...!)n  P So, as usual that lot over there are trying to re-write history! Are you sure Al(  Gore didn't invent Aluminium as well...   ;^D    Steve Spires (resolutely English)   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:03:57 +0100R! From: Luminy <luminyGG@iname.com>N  Subject: Re: more mail questions9 Message-ID: <MPG.14874e3a27e0ec63989690@news2.hexanet.fr>i  @ Le Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:17:50 +0200, Phillip du Plooy crivait...   > Hi > M > How do I put an attachment on a mail that I send from the command line? ( IgN > do not want the file like dka0:[000000]stuff.txt in the body of the mail but( > as a txt file , maby someting like:  )* > $ mail ??? /subje=test /attach=stuff.txt >   < You can attach with a freeware on http://patrick.lequere.net  	 A dopu...e -- t	 Luminy...e1 "Il n'y a qu'une vrit, mais chacun la sienne !"s   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 08:49:36 +0100 (MET)o& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>" Subject: Re: openvsm and vga cards6 Message-ID: <200011230745.IAA26343@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  D the S3 Trio64V+ with 2mb should work under OpenVMS. We did have fourC of this  (but three only with oneMB), working under OpenVMS. But itT@ is a low end 2D graohic adpater with eight bit deepth. So we didA change to the PowerStorm4D20. This one you can't get anymore. NowHC you have to buy the ELSA Gloria Synergy. This card should work alsoE; in a PC with LINUX and WINxx. I do not know the other OSes.    Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:14:13 +0000:2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> Subject: qman journal . Message-ID: <3A1CEDF5.64007944@CCAgroup.co.uk>  D We're running a cluster: Alpha VMS 7.1 (server + station) + VAX 6.2.= The queue manager (which runs on the Alphaserver) seems sick.-D It filled its system disk with 700k blocks of qman journal, which itA renamed to _old & created another 170k blocks worth. Just after IsE deleted the _old (saved on another disk) it 'failed over' to the same,G node, losing 1000's of jobs in the process (which I can live with), andnG doesn't seem to be talking to anything much now: sho que/man is OK, buto sho que just hangs.    Any suggestions ?eE Possibly relevant: we have 3 goldfax channels (queues), which seem tooC have got tangled. We fax active customers nightly, so the queue hadeF built up to around 3,500 entries: normal headroom for the whole system is 4/5,000 entries.    Chrisl   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2000 11:51:07 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: qman journal * Message-ID: <3a1cf69b$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <3A1CEDF5.64007944@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes:yE >We're running a cluster: Alpha VMS 7.1 (server + station) + VAX 6.2.i> >The queue manager (which runs on the Alphaserver) seems sick.E >It filled its system disk with 700k blocks of qman journal, which it B >renamed to _old & created another 170k blocks worth. Just after IF >deleted the _old (saved on another disk) it 'failed over' to the sameH >node, losing 1000's of jobs in the process (which I can live with), andH >doesn't seem to be talking to anything much now: sho que/man is OK, but >sho que just hangs.  F Check for the ECOs. There have been definitely one (but I think, there- are more) for some odd QMAN behaviour on V7.1   + You may also check the OpenVMS FAQ for thisl IIRC 	$ MC JBC$COMMANDl 	JBC$COMMAND> diag 7   -- f< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888R< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:23:06 +0000o2 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> Subject: Re: qman journal . Message-ID: <3A1D1A3A.7747B914@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Peter LANGSTOEGER wrote: > e > In article <3A1CEDF5.64007944@CCAgroup.co.uk>, Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> writes: G > >We're running a cluster: Alpha VMS 7.1 (server + station) + VAX 6.2.r@ > >The queue manager (which runs on the Alphaserver) seems sick.G > >It filled its system disk with 700k blocks of qman journal, which itDD > >renamed to _old & created another 170k blocks worth. Just after IH > >deleted the _old (saved on another disk) it 'failed over' to the sameJ > >node, losing 1000's of jobs in the process (which I can live with), andJ > >doesn't seem to be talking to anything much now: sho que/man is OK, but > >sho que just hangs. > H > Check for the ECOs. There have been definitely one (but I think, there/ > are more) for some odd QMAN behaviour on V7.1s  & got alpqman02_071 (installed Feb '99).D Not aware of anything more recent, or for VAX 6.2 (where some queues run).l  E Rebooted, restarted everything, seems ok now (with a lot less jobs!).    Many thanks,
 Chris Sharmanf   ------------------------------   Date: 23 Nov 2000 11:00:18 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)' Subject: Re: Question on using VMS Mail . Message-ID: <8vitc2$qtu$1@info.service.rug.nl>  D In article <12IS5.338$OC.86541@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy"% <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes: p  L > These days I seem to find most of my personnel email being done on my HomeG > VMS box using the VMS MAIL command.  However, there is one thing thatoK > irritates me.  When I reply to a message I'd like to have the '>'s on theaK > left side of the text like most email programs seem to do.  However, I've0> > been unable to find a way to do that with MAIL or with EDIT. > N > Does anyone have any tips or tricks on how I can get this done?  I'm getting* > tired of putting them there manually :^)   DEFINE MACRO QUOTE FIND BUFFER QUOTEc insert;set quiet' insert;change; er -l 9999(i> ^Z -2l) ex  insert;set noquiet	 FIND LAST    Perhaps also   DEFINE MACRO SIGNATURE FIND BUFFER SIGNATURE ! insert;change; desel er sel ^m exo" insert;include maildir:sig.txt end insert;change; -sr exy	 FIND LASTt  
 and of coursei  ! DEFINE KEY GOLD Q AS "EXT QUOTE."d) DEFINE KEY GOLD     U AS "EXT SIGNATURE."n   Also of interest perhaps?n   DEFINE MACRO HEADERKILL  FIND BUFFER HEADERKILL
 ! +1par?!?!?!e, insert;change; br +1par -"From:" +par dbr ex	 FIND LAST. DEFINE MACRO RFKILLn FIND BUFFER RFKILLQ insert;change; er -"================== RFC 822 Headers ==================" der ex 	 FIND LAST-  F The .sig can be done automatically now, but I prefer to do the things G manually---allows all combinations and is just a couple of keystrokes, b0 negligible compared to writing the email itself.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:03:57 +0100a! From: Luminy <luminyGG@iname.com> ' Subject: Re: Question on using VMS Mails9 Message-ID: <MPG.14874e5158acdd52989691@news2.hexanet.fr>   ; Le Wed, 22 Nov 2000 04:35:09 GMT, Zane H. Healy crivait...s  L > These days I seem to find most of my personnel email being done on my HomeG > VMS box using the VMS MAIL command.  However, there is one thing thateK > irritates me.  When I reply to a message I'd like to have the '>'s on theoK > left side of the text like most email programs seem to do.  However, I've > > been unable to find a way to do that with MAIL or with EDIT. > N > Does anyone have any tips or tricks on how I can get this done?  I'm getting* > tired of putting them there manually :^) > ) Try mailbox on http://patrick.lequere.nete   Hope this help   -- e	 Luminy...o1 "Il n'y a qu'une vrit, mais chacun la sienne !"a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:19:37 +0000 . From: Peter Jackson <peter.jackson@oracle.com>' Subject: Re: Technology of US Electionsc* Message-ID: <3A1D2778.5F550F92@oracle.com>  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------25408EF82619DDEAD3A5798A* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitn      " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  M > I realise that this one will be familiar to many people by now, but I think K > this thread is getting way too serious. Here's a little humour injection.t >s > Shanee >c0 > Subject:  NOTICE OF REVOCATION OF INDEPENDENCE > >d4 > > To the citizens of the United States of America, > >iL > > In the light of your failure to elect a President of the USA and thus toF > > govern yourselves, we hereby give notice of the revocation of your" > > independence, effective today. > >rK > > Her Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical dutiescG > > over all states, commonwealths and other territories.  Except Utah,sH > > which she does not fancy. Your new prime minister (The rt. hon. TonyH > > Blair, MP for the 97.85% of you who have until now been unaware thatF > > there is a world outside your borders) will appoint a minister forL > > America without the need for further elections.  Congress and the SenateG > > will be disbanded.  A questionnaire will be circulated next year toe) > > determine whether any of you noticed.    Latest news:  H The senate will be retained and allowed to veto legislation affected the american states.L Members will be appointed by an 'independant' commision (chosen by the Prime
 Minister).N Anyone wanting to be in the new senate should write a 75 word submisison as to whye they should be selected.   Peterc  & --------------25408EF82619DDEAD3A5798A- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;v  name="peter.jackson.vcf"y Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit + Content-Description: Card for Peter Jackson   Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="peter.jackson.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Jackson;Petere tel;fax:01344 415100 tel;work:0118 9249165p x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Oracle Corporation UK Ltd.
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1t' email;internet:peter.jackson@oracle.coma fn:Peter Jackson	 end:vcarda  ( --------------25408EF82619DDEAD3A5798A--   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 10:21:06 GMTcL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr"); Subject: Re: UAF Quotas - Y'ain't a-gonna believe this'n...,8 Message-ID: <009F387C.7F5F53C4@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  f In article <3A1C86F4.DFE655A@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: >Check this out, folks:N >" >UAF> SHOW PRODUCTIONEC >Username: PRODUCTION                       Owner:  Production JobsD >[snip]S: >Prclm:          10  DIOlm:       750  WSdef:        10000: >Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         7500: >Queprio:         0  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     81920 >[snip]n >oB >Does anyone have any idea what might happen when WSdef > WSquota?  K Boy, I should look through the documentation before I say anything stupid, nG and I'm at home without the docs, but I think WSquo is your guaranteed aJ minimum memory size (as WSextent is your maximum size), so if there's freeK memory you're going to get initialized with WSDEF (or PQS_MWSDEF if that's 3H higher) and you won't get trimmed to WSQUO unless there's contention for the memory.e >g9 >I almost can't believe this runs under these conditions!   L If it does run, you might want to look in SYSGEN at PQL_MWSQUOTA.  If that's9 higher than the one in the UAF, that's what will be used.    -- Alant  O ===============================================================================m0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056 M  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210BO ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 11:07:44 +0100l% From: FAYN <faynb@adtools.fr.ibm.com>l4 Subject: Using commands defined with set in makefile2 Message-ID: <3A1CEC70.428379F4@adtools.fr.ibm.com>   Hi all,s  G I'm newbye in OpenVMS and I didn't find out any answer to the followinge question in newsgroups *vms* :  : I have to use bison in a makefile. I defined the command :  >   define /trans=concealed gnu_bison dka100:[users.ptbf.bison.])   set command gnu_bison:[000000]bison.clds  H When I invoke bison from DCL prompt it works fine, but when invoved from. a makefile I get the following error message :  ;   --%DCL-E-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DCL$PATH:BISON.*iC   -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type fore	 operationa  0 If I add gnu_bison in dcl$path I get the error :  : -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows G   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs  PC      >                                             0 000000007B032500 000000007B032500>                                             0 000000007B032064 000000007B032064>                                             0 000000007B031584 000000007B031584>                                             0 FFFFFFFF8006EE14 FFFFFFFF8006EE14>                                             0 FFFFFFFF8006EE14 FFFFFFFF8006EE14>  BISON                                      0 000000000003BDAC 000000000004BDAC>  BISON  VMSGETARGS  cli_present           766 00000000000004B0 0000000000037520>  BISON  VMSGETARGS  getargs               671 00000000000000C0 0000000000037130>  BISON  MAIN  main                        611 00000000000000D4 00000000000300D4>  BISON  MAIN  __main                        0 0000000000000058 0000000000030058>                                             0 FFFFFFFF87FBB3F4 FFFFFFFF87FBB3F4   Could you help me ?t   --? Bertrand FAYN                              IBM Paris Laboratory D fayn.b@fr.ibm.com                          Application & Integration Middleware Division4   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:03:42 +0100a: From: Karl Rohwedder <extern.karl.rohwedder@volkswagen.de>8 Subject: Re: Using commands defined with set in makefile- Message-ID: <3A1D079E.74CC1A06@volkswagen.de>y   Hi,   D I suppose the make utility spawns a subprocess to perform the actual work (MMS and MMK are doing it)dG and the command definiton is not transferred to the subprocess. You can + make the command definition systemwide withs   $ set def sys$common:<syslib> 4 $ set command /tab=dcltables.exe /out=dcltables.exe  gnu_bison:[000000]bison.cld,$ $ install repl sys$share:dcltables 05 $ set comm/tab=dcltables ! updates your process tablem  ) Note that you need privileges to do that.D FAYN wrote:E > 	 > Hi all,o > I > I'm newbye in OpenVMS and I didn't find out any answer to the followingw  > question in newsgroups *vms* : > < > I have to use bison in a makefile. I defined the command : > @ >   define /trans=concealed gnu_bison dka100:[users.ptbf.bison.]+ >   set command gnu_bison:[000000]bison.cldu > J > When I invoke bison from DCL prompt it works fine, but when invoved from0 > a makefile I get the following error message : > = >   --%DCL-E-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DCL$PATH:BISON.* E >   -RMS-F-DEV, error in device name or inappropriate device type forw > operationg > 2 > If I add gnu_bison in dcl$path I get the error : > < > -CLI-E-ENTNF, specified entity not found in command tables1 > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump followsrI >   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abs  > PC@ >                                             0 000000007B032500 > 000000007B032500@ >                                             0 000000007B032064 > 000000007B032064@ >                                             0 000000007B031584 > 000000007B031584@ >                                             0 FFFFFFFF8006EE14 > FFFFFFFF8006EE14@ >                                             0 FFFFFFFF8006EE14 > FFFFFFFF8006EE14@ >  BISON                                      0 000000000003BDAC > 000000000004BDAC@ >  BISON  VMSGETARGS  cli_present           766 00000000000004B0 > 0000000000037520@ >  BISON  VMSGETARGS  getargs               671 00000000000000C0 > 0000000000037130@ >  BISON  MAIN  main                        611 00000000000000D4 > 00000000000300D4@ >  BISON  MAIN  __main                        0 0000000000000058 > 0000000000030058@ >                                             0 FFFFFFFF87FBB3F4 > FFFFFFFF87FBB3F4 >  > Could you help me ?i >  > --A > Bertrand FAYN                              IBM Paris LaboratorytF > fayn.b@fr.ibm.com                          Application & Integration > Middleware Division:   -- 0  - mit freundlichen Gruessen | with best regards:   Karl Rohwedder               -C iT-Ingenieurteam     | Ellernbruch 11       | D-38112 Braunschweig 2A Telefon: 0531/515521 | Telefax: 0531/515531 | Mobil: 0172/5434843 E  E-Mail: rohwedder@decus.decus.de           | iT-IngTeam@t-online.de g+          karl.rohwedder@it-ingenieurteam.deu DATEX-P: 4505018005::ROHWEDDER   ------------------------------    Date: 23 Nov 2000 08:07:56 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)r$ Subject: Re: [Q]"vi" section for TPU* Message-ID: <8vj4rc$r6g$1@lisa.gemair.com>  N In article <VA.00000198.1868f5a7@sture.ch>, Paul Sture  <paul@sture.ch> wrote:C >In article <8vgtfk$olu$1@lisa.gemair.com>, Jordan Henderson wrote:. >> dI >> Hey, I really have nothing against TPU, well not much (lack of UNDO issG >> annoying - I think I'm going to regret saying that...), but I don't rG >> have it on every system that I need to use.  When I do use TPU, I'm  D >> too used to the 'ol EDT keyboard, which is more than a little bit% >> difficult to emulate on my laptop.S >> D" >[snip] to avoid an editor war :-) >HO >In TPU/EVE, issue DO followed by SET KEPYPAD EDT (can be abbreviated to S K E i >IIRC).a >W6 >Alternatively slot the following into your login.com: >e >$ define eve$keypad edt  E Yes, I know about edt keypad mode in TPU, what I don't know is how to 4 use the application keypad effectively on my laptop.   >___ >Paul StureF >Switzerland >u   -Jordan Hendersonn jordan@greenapple.comS   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.655 ************************