1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 27 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 663       Contents:< Re: %RMS-W-RTB,  548 byte record too large for user's buffer Re: 164LX system7 Re: almost identical system disks in different clusters  Alpha 3000 SRM problem% Alphabios Not Starting on an AXP 4000 3 Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye) 7 Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye) 7 Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye)  Re: CDE Front Panel ( Re: Compaq Linux (RedHat or SCO/Caldera) Re: DCPS and HP4000  Re: EBay vs. QXL Re: EBay vs. QXL Re: EBay vs. QXL# generate a shareble image with DECC  HELP OPEN-VMS upgrade fails.  Re: HELP OPEN-VMS upgrade fails. IMAP, POP and MINE Re: IMAP, POP and MINE Re: IMAP, POP and MINE Michael Muuss Dies8 Re: MUSTANG (AlphaStation 200/2/100) Won't boot VMS E7.3# OpenVMS Debug with foreign X-Server  Re: Plot graphs?1 Re: Problems with a DECBridge 90 - not forwarding 1 Re: Problems with a DECBridge 90 - not forwarding  Re: Q22-bus programming  Query on DCL and tape mounting" Re: Query on DCL and tape mounting Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher System Service and RTL Re: System Service and RTL Re: System Service and RTL Re: System Service and RTL Re: Technology of US elections2 Re: UAF Quotas - Y'ain't a-gonna believe this'n... Unibus and Q bus aka Q22' Re: Urgent - can anyone help with this? . Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problems. Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problems. RE: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problems Write out char$(9) in DCL  Re: Write out char$(9) in DCL  Re: Write out char$(9) in DCL   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2000 08:33:42 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)E Subject: Re: %RMS-W-RTB,  548 byte record too large for user's buffer + Message-ID: <yTXtpi48jHQD@eisner.decus.org>   R In article <3A1E870D.21746008@fr.ibm.com>, FAYN <faynb@adtools.fr.ibm.com> writes:  D > I've this error message when I try to link a list of 18 .obj. If IG > reduce the number of .obj the message doesn't appear any more (but of J > course I get unresolved symbols). I suspect my commande line is too long3 > but I can't change the number of object modules !  >   H You may be misinterpreting the message, it looks like you may be pickingH up a file which is not and object file, however if you really are having( a command length problem, two solutions:  L 1) place the list og object files in an options file, then feed the options     file to LINK:   in files.opt put:  main.obj
 file2.obj ... 
 file18.obj   then  link files/options/exe=main  F 2) place the objects in a library, then feed the library file to LINK:     library/create stuff *.obj!   link stuff/library/include=main   F Note that the second approach won't pick up modules like Fortran BLOCK, DATA unless they are listed in the /include.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:59:08 +0000 2 From: dave dumolo <david.dumolo@syntegra.bt.co.uk> Subject: Re: 164LX system 0 Message-ID: <3A22225C.C759224@syntegra.bt.co.uk>  H Thanks for the information. Seen the site - now I know where to look for# another Alpha box when I need one!!    Regards,   Dave   Island Computers wrote:  >  > Yes  > $ > VMS runs fine on these boards but; > ? > You'll need a supported SCSI card, SCSI CD-ROM and Video Card  > ( > GO to : www.islandco.com for more info >  > David  > A > "dave dumolo" <david.dumolo@syntegra.bt.co.uk> wrote in message - > news:3A1D3E66.9E8376E0@syntegra.bt.co.uk... K > | Someone has probably answered this years ago, but I'm new to this group I > | and with my Internet connection too much searching would result in my . > | death before finding what I'm looking for! > |  > | The question is this...  > | J > | Do you know if it is possible - either officially or unofficially - toI > | load OpenVMS on a 164LX / 533MHz / SCSI only system? If not, is there F > | any chance that support will ever be offered or is there some kindF > | hearted Alpha s/w engineer out there who could donate the required" > | files? (No more NT, PLEASE!!!) > |  > | Ta!  > |  > | Dave   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 16:37:51 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)@ Subject: Re: almost identical system disks in different clusters. Message-ID: <8vu2kv$b6e$1@info.service.rug.nl>  3 In article <9UycFNMfMuAA@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, D Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:   E > > I'm sure this must be a really common problem and find it hard to L > > believe that people actually apply patches, compiler updates etc to two,' > > or even more, system disks by hand.  > J >         Personally, I would  think  it  _far_  faster  to  install a fewA >     patches  than  to  do a full system disk image  restore!      D It depends.  One patch, yes.  Several patches, still yes.  However, D sometimes reboots are necessary after a patch.  Sure, one can apply D several and then reboot, unless one patch depends on a previous one H having been installed.  A few reboots can take a while.  A disk-to-disk % BACKUP/IMAGE takes what---20 minutes?    >     (I  guess > >     cluster uptime isn't an issue  for  you  either,  eh?)     Rolling upgrade.  :-)    >     You're  onlyJ >     talking  about two system disks, one for each cluster, and a handfulJ >     of patches and  layered  product  installations.   I mean, we're notJ >     talking about replicating a new manufacturing system across 20 sites% >     world wide or something, right?   H Not at the moment.  However, updating a few layered products can easily F take longer than backup and restore, and one doesn't have to check to 6 see if exactly the same thing was done for both disks.  J >         Someone else mentioned using essentially the same system disk inJ >     different clusters, but using one set of system roots in one clusterJ >     and another set in the other.   That  would  work for you, but thereH >     are a LOT of things I'd think you'd want to be VERY careful about: > F >      1) Make  sure  to  move  all  the  various  SYSUAF, RIGHTSLIST,F >         MAILUAF,   QMAN$MASTER.DAT,  queue  manager  journal   file,F >         operator log files, audit  files,  error  log  files,  etc.,F >         etc.,  _off_  the  system  disk.   If you can't do that, allF >         sorts of history, etc., will be  lost when you overwrite theF >         second  system  disk (more precisely, will contain only  the( >         history of the first cluster).   Right.  F >      2) Make sure you have somewhere to copy the current contents ofF >         SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE] and restore them after the system diskF >         overwrite.  If you're upgrading,  then  be  sure to copy theF >         current  contents  from the second cluster's system disk  ofF >         its  nodes'  SYS$SPECIFIC:[SYSEXE]  to   the   correspondingF >         location  on  the system disk that will be upgraded _before_F >         doing the upgrade.   Get  fresh  copies  of AUTOGEN feedback >         data before doing so.    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2000 22:33:48 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com> Subject: Alpha 3000 SRM problem 0 Message-ID: <87r93xiiwj.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>  6 I've been running tests that include running exes that8 are compiled for later EVs than the real HW. ir, EV56 on EV4, EV6 on EV56.   5 It seems that at least LDBU PAL code fails and either 6 never returns, loops, or is *SO* slow that no progress% can be seen ( even over a few DAYS ).   $ This is with Firmware M400_V7_0.sys.  * Anyone got an idear what is going on here?   ~Paul    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:12:48 -0600 / From: "Stuart, Ed" <Ed.Stuart@austinenergy.com> . Subject: Alphabios Not Starting on an AXP 4000R Message-ID: <6FACDDDFBD7BD411B38100D0B7B0CDCC40B321@ohms.electric.ci.austin.tx.us>  L Hello; we have a AlphaServer 4000.  We've purchased some new drives and needL to use the AlphaBIOS to run the SWXCR configuration utility.  However, if weL enter "alphabios" from the SRM console the system does an init, goes throughK the tests, and gives us back the SRM console.  Has anyone seen this before, I and if so how did you correct it?  Please response via both the group and  email, TIA.   $ Ed Stuart                           ( Manager, Systems and Desktop Services	   Information Technology Services  City of Austin, Austin Energy   + "Glittering prizes and endless compromises  . shatter the illusion of integrity" - Neil Pert  B *Please apply a generous amount of all the usual disclaimers here*   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:27:52 +0100  From: FAYN <fayn.b@fr.ibm.com>< Subject: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye)* Message-ID: <3A229998.CA9FFC60@fr.ibm.com>  F When I compile a C source, generated by bison, with the DEC C compilerD I've a warning (and finally an unresolved symbol) about the alloca()H function (see NOTES above). The prototype of this function is defined in7 the file bison.simple for some systems but not for VMS. F Apparently this function is a GNU gcc runtime function so I decided toF install VMS/GNU gcc 2.7.1 (see NOTES above). Unfortunately I'm unabledC to run it on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2, I've the following error messages :   > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image GNU_CC:[000000]GCC.EXE -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file5 NZE01$DKA100:[USERS.PTBF.SRC.GCC-VMS-2_7_1.GCC.][0000  00]GCC.EXE;18 -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image   So my questions are :   H   - is there an implementation of the alloca() function in DEC C runtime ? >   - is it possible to run GNU gcc 2.7.1 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 ?   NOTES : #   - alloca() function description : F       The  alloca  function allocates size bytes of space in the stackG frame of the caller.       This temporary space is  automatically freed 
 on return.     - the GNU gcc is used is< http://www.ourservers.net/public/vms/gnu_c/gcc-vms-2_7_1.zip   Thanks.    --H La Joconde sourit parce que tous ceux qui lui ont dessine des moustaches sont morts. [ Andre Malraux ]   6 Bertrand FAYN                     IBM Paris LaboratoryF fayn.b@fr.ibm.com                 Application & Integration Middleware Division   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:12:45 -0500 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>@ Subject: Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye): Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.0.20001127131022.0245db10@24.8.96.48>  ' At 06:27 PM 11/27/00 +0100, FAYN wrote:  >So my questions are : > K >   - is there an implementation of the alloca() function in DEC C runtime?   K There's an __ALLOCA builtin--you might try that. (I don't know for sure if  H it does what you want, but the header files make it look like it might) " Looks to be Dec C 6.0 and up only.  @ >   - is it possible to run GNU gcc 2.7.1 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 ?  J No. You need gcc 2.8.0 or up. I've seen 2.8.0 binaries, but they generate L buggy code on Alpha VMS. Whether they're good enough to build a more recent G gcc is something I don't know. (Tried once to get 2.8.1, but it didn't  L build with the relatively minor amount of work I was willing to put into it)   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 18:44:56 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)@ Subject: Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye), Message-ID: <8vua38$c0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  K In article <3A229998.CA9FFC60@fr.ibm.com>, FAYN <fayn.b@fr.ibm.com> writes: G >When I compile a C source, generated by bison, with the DEC C compiler E >I've a warning (and finally an unresolved symbol) about the alloca() I >function (see NOTES above). The prototype of this function is defined in 8 >the file bison.simple for some systems but not for VMS.G >Apparently this function is a GNU gcc runtime function so I decided to G >install VMS/GNU gcc 2.7.1 (see NOTES above). Unfortunately I'm unabled D >to run it on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2, I've the following error messages : > ? >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image GNU_CC:[000000]GCC.EXE  >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file 6 >NZE01$DKA100:[USERS.PTBF.SRC.GCC-VMS-2_7_1.GCC.][0000
 >00]GCC.EXE;1 9 >-IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image  >    Probably the VAX version.    >So my questions are : > I >  - is there an implementation of the alloca() function in DEC C runtime  >?   In "builtins.h" you'll find:   /*6 **  __ALLOCA builtin - allocate n-bytes from the stack */" void * __ALLOCA(unsigned int __x);   regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 14:18:16 +0100 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: CDE Front Panel3 Message-ID: <3A1BD5A8.1636B5DE@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    andrew harrison wrote: >  > Jouk Jansen wrote: > >  > > Paul Sture wrote:  > > >  [snip]H > > i.e. remove some of the main-item icons to make the panel smaller by! > > removing those you never use.  > >  > I > Do you mean the panel along the bottom of the screen if you do then you F > should be able to do this by moving the pointer to the sub-panel youF > want to delete and then press the right button, a menu should appearG > with the title of the Panel for example "Mail". One of the options on  > the # > menu should be "Delete Subpanel".  > F That removes the mail-subpanel but not the mail icon on the main panel How to do that?                         Jouk  --    > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansen  		     joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl   E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:17:00 GMT 3 From: "Gord Coulman" <nospam_gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca> 1 Subject: Re: Compaq Linux (RedHat or SCO/Caldera) ; Message-ID: <0OvU5.25135$sz3.4756111@news1.telusplanet.net>   * Which is the best one for Alpha platforms?   Gord.   @ David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote in message' news:3A213FED.845E8249@earthlink.net...  > Keith Brown wrote: > > . > > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > > > G > > > Do you know if Compaq decided what will be the "Official Linux" ? F > > > At Compaq homepage theres a promotion of preinstalled RedHat on DL360,4 > > > but Compaq is a long term partner of SCO . . . > > >  > > > Click here > > >  > > > For RedHat > > > D > > > http://www.directplus.compaq.com/html/redhatlinux7_launch.html > > >  > > > For SCO/Caldera  > > >  > > > H http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3730654.html?tag=st.ne.1002.bgif.ni > > J > > Try also http://www.linux-mandrake.com/    The best Linux distribution > @ > Yes! Been there, done that! Not perfect, but none of them are. > J > *VERY* recommendable. When Koffice is done, could be a potential Windows	 > killer.  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. >CB > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:47:17 -0500(0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: DCPS and HP4000E Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-1785A3.10471727112000@usenet.pa.dec.com>e  A In article <d_ST5.10$2F4.22891@news.pacbell.net>, "Rick Cadruvi" e <rick@rdperf.com> wrote:  C > I have an HP4000 on a print server that I print to using DCPS in EC > RAW_TCP mode. When you print 2 documents at the same time to the  C > printer and it is in hibernate mode, it prints the first and the i > second stalls.  C What version of DCPS are you running?  And do you have the minimum X0 firmware as mentioned in the DCPS documentation?   Paul   -- t,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 12:51:07 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)r Subject: Re: EBay vs. QXLr0 Message-ID: <8vtlbr$afe$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  i In article <3A1ECAD9.A9E8C9F6@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:s >Jordan Henderson wrote:L >> Some security minded sites like to hide information so as to reduce theirP >> exposure to exploits that become known to black hats before they become known >> to themselves.  >t= >That is of very limited value, when running a well-known OS.t >u> >If OS is not supplied, then hackers will try the most obvious >ones first: NT, Solaris, etc..a >  >Arne2    K Plus there are tons of tools/methods for fingerprinting OS types from theirMH responses to connections to other IP ports or even to ICMP echo requests (For the latter seeoC http://www.sys-security.com/archive/bugtraq/ofirarkin2000-15.txt ).s  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:06:06 -0500p3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>b Subject: Re: EBay vs. QXL 6 Message-ID: <8vtmaa$2k0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Paul Sture wrote in message ...sJ >Delving further into their info on this subject VMS is not on the list of OS'sJ >which report uptime info in response to Netcraft queries. By that I wouldL >assume they mean that the web server software on VMS doesn't report this. I5 >wonder if the VMS port of Apache _does_ supply this?t  L The VMS port of Apache _does_ supply the server uptime via the server-status request.   Gaitan D'Antonii. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderC http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.htmle Compaq Computer Corporation'   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 16:42:23 GMT0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) Subject: Re: EBay vs. QXL-* Message-ID: <8vu2tf$mqt@usenet.pa.dec.com>   >pI |>I have Check netscraft for www.openvms.compaq.com and eisner.decus.org.r> |>And both appeard as unknown and like unanvle to read uptime.3 |>Anyone know what need to be did so they reconice.-	 |>Ricardo   A The www.openvms.digital.com server is now a full url redirect to tF www.openvms.compaq.com. It's running on some apache server someplace. H I don't know why the 'cname' option was removed other than to attempt toE assertain how many 'digital' vs 'compaq' hits we are getting and when,L the digital gets to some threshold  it will be turned off. If I kept up withN the cname it would be impossible to figure out when the digital side went downI and harder to lead folks to use the compaq.com side. At some point Compaq J wants to shutdown all the digital.com and tandem.com sites, address's etc.  J I looked at netcraft and there isn't a link to 'add your site' the current2 one I found doesn't go to a 'add your site' page..  . As for the uptime on the OpenVMS web server...  J OpenVMS V6.2  on node VMS001  27-NOV-2000 11:36:53.88  Uptime  26 23:20:35  = That's because there was a PLANNED power cycle in early Nov. c  F For the most part the server system has had better than %99.99 uptime D since it went live May 1995. There have been several planned outages 1) update hardware 2) y2k fixes5 3) new version of web server software (several times) . 4) Move server system from DAS to TAY facility  5) Planned power/network outages  5 There have been a couple of unplanned outages as well3G 1) UCX license expired (that was a lot of fun to track down because the 3 license expired 3 months before the planned outage.-I 2) crazy driver hit power pole. Knocked out power to facility. UPS kickedlF in but...same power pole carried the network. Opps. (actually fixed in
 new facility):  G There have been a couple of others but I don't remember specificly whatn the specific problems were..         --  B ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 14:57:35 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)t, Subject: generate a shareble image with DECC0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-vD0exl5ZdN8R@Tom2>  . I'am using OpenVMS 7.1 on a VAX 3100 model 76.8 I want to build a shareable image with DECC. I'am using 8 a macro source to create the transfer vector. Also some 8 global variable should be exported.  If I try to export  them I get the warning :; reference to psect TEST_COUNT (my varname) is not position  
 independent. s8 In the case I declare it in the macro file as external, ; I get undefined Symbol TEST_COUNT during link. Has anybody r an example or an address ?     Thanks in advancei   Thomas Hahnemann     t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:44:39 +0100o From: "Wim" <wim@rdc.nl>% Subject: HELP OPEN-VMS upgrade fails.r* Message-ID: <8vtogl$5k9$1@news1.xs4all.nl>    Please help me on the following,     Current situation   * Alpha Server 1000a with open VMS V6.2-1H3.  % I upgraded the firmware to level V5.3  This what I did    >>> boot dka400u Then I choose 1 Upgradep Preserve Dka0
 Keep label
 Cluster No	 Galaxy No  Detailed descriptions N0< And then things go wrong and I dont know why, I HAVE NO CLUE  ( %NONAME-E-NOMESG Message number 1652800a  6 Instalation has been terminated by an unexpected error  ; Correct the error and try again ( or something like that ).t  # What could be wrong Please help me.s   Wim    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2000 17:09:08 +0100) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam) ) Subject: Re: HELP OPEN-VMS upgrade fails.d! Message-ID: <ziFGO7$5G24p@ludens>   E In article <8vtogl$5k9$1@news1.xs4all.nl>, "Wim" <wim@rdc.nl> writes: " > Please help me on the following, >  >  > Current situationg > , > Alpha Server 1000a with open VMS V6.2-1H3. > ' > I upgraded the firmware to level V5.3p > This what I did   " I do not understand you correctly.   Wich os version FROM wich os version TO   do you want upgrading?   Wich firmware version FROM wich firmware version TO   did you upgrade?   Wich is your boot device?   % Is the original OS booting correctly?e  ' Wich version of OS CD do you want boot?u    @ For example, if you want upgrade from VMS6.2 to VMS 6.2-1H3 then; you must include VMS 6.2-1H3 install CD to cd-rom (DKA400:)A: and boot the original system (DKA0:) and when booted issue
 the command: g. $ @sys$update:vmsinstal ?????? DKA400:[000000]                         ^^^^^^/ 			I do not remember correctly the saveset name? 			smilar to VMSU1*062.-   >  > Wim- >  >    Adam Maulis    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:44:05 -0500u. From: "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> Subject: IMAP, POP and MINE8, Message-ID: <8vtogo$dac$1@cougar.golden.net>  K Is there any package available that can give our VMS machine the ability to ! be a true backoffice Email serverh  # We have UCX 4.2 and OpenVMS 7.1-1h2,  K I have currently working the UCX POP/SMTP but we cannot turn on top_headersr( as we still use the legacy mail utility.  K I have tried to get PING 3.91-2 to work with NETLIB 2.2 but no luck, I keepe0 getting strange errors when I start the product.  K I have gotten the MAILBOX application from this newsgroup to work with MINE	G but it does not support the VMS style DIS groups properly which we haveGK extensive chaining and VMS mail weeds out the duplicates before sending but"" cannot use MINE stlye attachments.  J What I am really looking for is an IMAP type package that will allow email anywhere over the WEB.  J I know innosoft is out there but now SUN owns it and most likely thats the end of the VMS version.V  E I have heard that in VMS 7.3 that they are looking at supporting MINEaL directly inside of VMS mail but is there anything I can do right now.  Can IL somehow string the MINE headers from the email through a backend process andD send to the user just the text and instruct them that a file in ther* directory was created from the attachment.   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:26:33 +0000 (GMT).) From: Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk>a Subject: Re: IMAP, POP and MINE71 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10011271433.R@odin.kcl.ac.uk>A  4 On Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:44:05 -0500 Jerry Alan Braga  <jabraga@flanagan.ca> wrote:  C > Is there any package available that can give our VMS machine the G. > ability to be a true backoffice Email server > % > We have UCX 4.2 and OpenVMS 7.1-1h2e > B > I have currently working the UCX POP/SMTP but we cannot turn on 6 > top_headers as we still use the legacy mail utility.  >    If you use the IMAP server from PINE 3.91-2 and the IUPOP3 B    package then you can get your VAX to behave like a mail server ;    for reading mail.  Both support top/bottom mail headers.e     > I > I have tried to get PING 3.91-2 to work with NETLIB 2.2 but no luck, I g7 > keep getting strange errors when I start the product.i     What sort of strange errors ?e  G > What I am really looking for is an IMAP type package that will allow   > email anywhere over the WEB.  A   IMAP doesnt send mail, it just allows reading. The IMAP server eA   in PINE 3.91-2, while IMAP 2 rather than IMAP 4, is functional o)   enough for most clients. And it's free.<   Regards,   ---------------------- Andy Harper BSc, MBCS, C.Eng   Systems and Mail Manager Kings College London   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 17:59:30 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)e Subject: Re: IMAP, POP and MINE)0 Message-ID: <8vu7e2$fod$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  ] In article <8vtogo$dac$1@cougar.golden.net>, "Jerry Alan Braga" <jabraga@flanagan.ca> writes: L >Is there any package available that can give our VMS machine the ability to" >be a true backoffice Email server >n$ >We have UCX 4.2 and OpenVMS 7.1-1h2 >2L >I have currently working the UCX POP/SMTP but we cannot turn on top_headers) >as we still use the legacy mail utility.  >eL >I have tried to get PING 3.91-2 to work with NETLIB 2.2 but no luck, I keep1 >getting strange errors when I start the product.k >wL >I have gotten the MAILBOX application from this newsgroup to work with MINEH >but it does not support the VMS style DIS groups properly which we haveL >extensive chaining and VMS mail weeds out the duplicates before sending but# >cannot use MINE stlye attachments.  >    I assume you mean MIME. N I haven't looked at MAILBOX but my understanding was that it was attempting toG do what PMDF MAIL does ie be a superset of VMS MAIL which supports MIMEaH attachments. If so then proper support for distribution groups should beD included. Have you reported this as a bug in MAILBOX to the author ?  > Have you looked at the public domain version of PINE for VMS ?D (I'm not sure what it does about distribution lists unfortunately ?)  K >What I am really looking for is an IMAP type package that will allow emailo >anywhere over the WEB.l >iK >I know innosoft is out there but now SUN owns it and most likely thats theG >end of the VMS version. >d  H SUN have passed support and development of PMDF over to process software* see http://www.process.com/tcpip/pmdf.html  L (Seems like SUN only wanted PMDF so that they had ownership of the SIMS codeF - which could then be given to Iplanet - and the Innosoft staff (?) ).  SA Since you talk about email over the WEB do you really need IMAP ?AM Would a web based mail solution which supports MIME attachments be a possible 
 solution ?K If so try YAHMAIL (http://wasd.vsm.com.au/wasd/) + one of the VMS based webE& servers (OSU, WASD, APACHE, PURVEYOR).  H (Note. an IMAP or Web based solution would normally have clients runningM elsewhere on the network accessing the mail on the VMS system and hence wouldiJ not normally give access to the VMS based distribution lists. YAHMAIL doesL provide access to address-lists which are files in the same form as VMS MAILF distribution lists ie files with one address per line but the usage is different.)s  -  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex university    F >I have heard that in VMS 7.3 that they are looking at supporting MINEM >directly inside of VMS mail but is there anything I can do right now.  Can IeM >somehow string the MINE headers from the email through a backend process andmE >send to the user just the text and instruct them that a file in thern+ >directory was created from the attachment.  >e >a >t >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 06:37:51 -0500 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> Subject: Michael Muuss DiesbD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001127063751.00a1d100@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi VMS Colleagues..d  I For those of you who have not heard, Michael Muuss (developer of the pingnI program and many other contributions to the Internet as we know it today)-) died in an automobile accident last week.-   He will be missed.  L http://www.sunspot.net/content/news/story?section=news-obituaries&pagename=s tory&storyid=1150510218526   Regards,   Jimi8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA-  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235- Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com o        jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:01:05 +0000 (UTC)v' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>tA Subject: Re: MUSTANG (AlphaStation 200/2/100) Won't boot VMS E7.3 , Message-ID: <8vtetg$v43$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  - John R. Lawson, Jr. <Mage@direcpc.com> wrote:t  F > My tack this morning is to patch SYSBOOT to cut out the check on the > firmware revision.  6 Text about skipping fw rev. check (from Hoff I guess):  H There is a boot flag available that skips the firmware revision check...H   It's bit 11, bootstrap option -fl 0,800.  (Time to update the APB info   in the FAQ...)   In FAQ ALPHA11. :e ...  bit Mnemonic     description ....+ 11  PALCHECK     Disable PAL rev check halt  ...    /OK    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 14:10:53 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann)t, Subject: OpenVMS Debug with foreign X-Server0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-dN60eKZEMOZm@Tom2>  ( I'am using OpenVMS V7.1 on Alpha an VAX.) If I start debug I cannot enter "1", "4",l# "!" and "$" in the command window.  / My X-Servers are Hummingbird Exceed 3.0 running / on OS/2 and Exceed 6.2 on NT with same results.r) In former times I've used XFree and could # not enter a "S" ( very difficult to / write "Set watch ..." ) The debugger works fine ) at the Alpha terminal. Is there a settinge or a workaround ?    Thanks in advancet   Thomas Hahnemann   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 18:30:18 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: Plot graphs?-, Message-ID: <8vu97q$c0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  p In article <kvjr1tct23sm7e6fgpap4jjvrpvd74to17@4ax.com>, Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> writes:C >Is there any OpenVMS freeware to plot linear XY graphs, given somenD >reference figures? And it is running in text (non-GUI) commandline? >a  D GNUPLOT (5 years ago, the VMS pieces may or may not still be in the          distribution)cI GLE     http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/GLE_3_3H_VMS_ALPHA.ZIP % XMGR    (requires X11, mine was from:aC         ftp://ada.cenaath.cena.dgac.fr/decwindows/xmgr-3_01pl7.zip)n     David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edut? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech P   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 08:34:40 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)m: Subject: Re: Problems with a DECBridge 90 - not forwarding0 Message-ID: <8vt6b0$lm6$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   In article <E43037234EFCCF11B99B0000F8014A400349386C@knxwbnois1b.wbn.tva.gov>, "Crowley, George M." <gmcrowley@tva.gov> writes:o >r7 >	I've got a DECBridge90, and it is giving me problems.i5 >	Every now and again the amber light for the bridge b3 >	forwarding state will come on and stay on, which >2 >	according to the manual means the bridge is not ) >	forwarding.  This is absolutly true ...S > 1 >	Can someone explain to me why this would happens >	and suggest a solution?   K Perhaps there is something wrong in your network. Connect to the bridge and  enter the commandM
   SHOW PORT 1c
   SHOW PORT 2tM and have a look at the counters and the port state. Most likely one port wills show errors.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannt  H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2000 11:48:34 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER): Subject: Re: Problems with a DECBridge 90 - not forwarding* Message-ID: <3a223c02$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <E43037234EFCCF11B99B0000F8014A400349386C@knxwbnois1b.wbn.tva.gov>, "Crowley, George M." <gmcrowley@tva.gov> writes:m7 >	I've got a DECBridge90, and it is giving me problems.m5 >	Every now and again the amber light for the bridge  3 >	forwarding state will come on and stay on, which n2 >	according to the manual means the bridge is not ) >	forwarding.  This is absolutly true ...o > 1 >	Can someone explain to me why this would happena >	and suggest a solution?r  , Connect to the bridge and look for messages.C They might indicate that the continous self test on one side of the- bridge failed.  B When this happens at our side, it is time to discard another DB90.I Then obviously the bridge died (the sub PCB with a coil for the workgroup'I ethernet connection) as all DECbridge90 died before the last years (abouti@ 30). This is a design flaw. It gets too hot, burns and smells...    F A DB90 is a asymmetric (workgroup) bridge. That means, that the bridgeF address is limited to 200 addresses on the workgroup side (and 8000 onH the backbone side). If you exceed the 200 Mac.Add on the workgroup side,A the bridge switches to repeater mode and the amber light goes on.s   HIHs   -- .< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:53:56 -0500 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>e  Subject: Re: Q22-bus programming+ Message-ID: <3A2291A4.F8E2565F@hsc.vcu.edu>p   Not a whole lot...  actually, you'll have more differences with the software versions, and different hardware than the bus itself..S/ been there, done that... ask for more details..s   jimr   Timothy Stark wrote: >  > Hello folks: > K > Thank you for information about difference between Q-bus and Unibus.  Now I > I have another question for you.  Is Unibus programming compatible withoF > Q-bus programming?  If not, what is difference between them?  I knowL > unibus programming but need more information about Q-bus programming (func	 > specs).  >  > Thank you again! >  > -- Tim Stark >  > --4 > Timothy Stark   <><     Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgL > --------------------------------------------------------------------------G > "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that J > whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.0 > Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:00:30 +0000r, From: Nick Lewis <nick_lewis@flextech.co.uk>' Subject: Query on DCL and tape mounting-. Message-ID: <3A223ECE.F555DDAC@flextech.co.uk>  E I have a simple query regarding a tape backup,  hopefully someone canH help.n  # The current backup runs as follows:j   Backup Job 1  INITIALIZE TAPE BACKUP DISKS 0-2 SUBMIT BACKUP JOB 2D ENDZ   Backup Job 2
 BACKUP DISK 3S ENDo  B The problem is that when backup job 1 ends,  it dismounts the tapeH device thus preventing job 2 from running.  How can I prevent the endingE of the job dismounting the tape unit?  Also,  do I need to INITIALIZErG the tape with any parameters which will allow the second job to use it?e' Both jobs run under the SYSTEM account.h  G I will not get in to why the backup is split in such a way,  but it hasH to be.   Thanks,a
 Nick Lewis   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:23:19 -0000-* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>+ Subject: Re: Query on DCL and tape mountingu, Message-ID: <8vtg72$12ai@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  b "Nick Lewis" <nick_lewis@flextech.co.uk> wrote in message news:3A223ECE.F555DDAC@flextech.co.uk...   >vD > The problem is that when backup job 1 ends,  it dismounts the tapeJ > device thus preventing job 2 from running.  How can I prevent the endingG > of the job dismounting the tape unit?  Also,  do I need to INITIALIZEnI > the tape with any parameters which will allow the second job to use it?E  E Explicitly MOUNT and DISMOUNT the tape, rather than let BACKUP do it.eG You'll need the /FOREIGN qualifier. Depending on how you feel about it,t= you can put the /NOUNLOAD qualifier on the MOUNT or DISMOUNT.-  H You shouldn't need any special qualifiers to run two jobs on, as long asA the label checks OK. Except not to put /REWIND on the second job, + which would start the second BACKUP at BOT.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:36:36 -0500l5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher-, Message-ID: <8vu62r$51ik$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  ? Isn't SunRay Sun's solution to servers with too much idle time?i           Rudolf Wingert wrote in messageo- <200011210718.IAA18359@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>...R >Hello,f >w >Andrew Harrison wrotes: >r >>>>- >Which Solaris OS release were you running ??  ><<< >gF >We have running system with Sun Solaris 2.7 and 2.8 (8).  If you readF >the Sun Ray Server users guide, you can read, that you have to rebootD >the Sun Ray Server after installation and restarting (!!!!) the Sun >Ray Server software.oH >Also di I see a new behavior, if you disconnect the Keyboard (sometimesJ >the cleaning women do so, without knowing, what they do). After reconnectI >there is a message, that you can continue. If you will continue then the-C >Solaris is corrupted and you will see a strange behavior. You MUSTuF >reboot the system other then in previous version. In previous version( >you could continue without any failure. >e >Regards Rudolf Wingertc >e >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 16:41:18 +0530E, From: "Burne" <a.krishnamoorthy@digital.com> Subject: System Service and RTLg* Message-ID: <8vtfgq$dri@usenet.pa.dec.com>   Hello,  D Some basic question about system services and RTL routine existence.  F I was wondering why do we have two different services one named System> Service and another RTL routines, for doing a similar service.I For example we have sys$creprc which would create a process and lib$spawntJ which would also create a process. If there is no difference between them, then why is VMS providing it.d  L I read somewhere that the so called jacket routines(RTL) in turn make use of; the system service to get their service done,is this TRUE ?    -Burne   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:36:43 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)h# Subject: Re: System Service and RTLi0 Message-ID: <009F3BC4.DF06F2F2@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <8vtfgq$dri@usenet.pa.dec.com>, "Burne" <a.krishnamoorthy@digital.com> writes:o >Hello,  >dE >Some basic question about system services and RTL routine existence.t > G >I was wondering why do we have two different services one named Systeme? >Service and another RTL routines, for doing a similar service..J >For example we have sys$creprc which would create a process and lib$spawnK >which would also create a process. If there is no difference between them,  >then why is VMS providing it.  J There are differences between SYS$CREPRC and LIB$SPAWN.  SYS$CREPRC is theI service which the executive provides for the creation of processes of allpI types: INTERACTIVE, DETACHED, SPAWNed (subprocesses), NETWORK, and BATCH.oI LIB$SPAWN is simply an envelope around this system service which provides J a simplified or shorthand way to create a subprocess and have it perform a+ task -- DCL command or a command procedure.e    M >I read somewhere that the so called jacket routines(RTL) in turn make use oft< >the system service to get their service done,is this TRUE ?    It depends upon the RTL routine.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            IO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:50:42 +0100h= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>s# Subject: Re: System Service and RTL,) Message-ID: <3A224A92.3721D5FD@gtech.com>,   Burne wrote:F > Some basic question about system services and RTL routine existence. > H > I was wondering why do we have two different services one named System@ > Service and another RTL routines, for doing a similar service.K > For example we have sys$creprc which would create a process and lib$spawnrL > which would also create a process. If there is no difference between them, > then why is VMS providing it.  > N > I read somewhere that the so called jacket routines(RTL) in turn make use of= > the system service to get their service done,is this TRUE ?n  C RTL routines uses system services. RTL routines are just a library.  SystemG services are integrated in the OS. RTL routines can only be called fromtG user mode. System services can be called from inner modes. RTL routinesIB supports all kinds of strings. System services supports only fixed length strings.VC RTL routines use simple arguments. System services uses item lists.M  B RTL routines are "high level" interfaces. System services are "low level" interfaces.   H Actually your example with SYS$CREPRC and LIB$SPAWN are very good ! TheyG can do the same. But try code the same functionality. You find out that F LIB$SPAWN can be done in 5 lines, while SYS$CREPRC may take you 25-250F lines depending on what you want. You can ofcourse also do some thingsE with SYS$CREPRC that you can not do with LIB$SPAWN. It is the classicn simplicity versus features.I   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 12:58:18 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)w# Subject: Re: System Service and RTLW0 Message-ID: <8vtlpa$ra8$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  Y In article <8vtfgq$dri@usenet.pa.dec.com>, "Burne" <a.krishnamoorthy@digital.com> writes: E >Some basic question about system services and RTL routine existence.s >mG >I was wondering why do we have two different services one named Systeme? >Service and another RTL routines, for doing a similar service.aJ >For example we have sys$creprc which would create a process and lib$spawnK >which would also create a process. If there is no difference between them,  >then why is VMS providing it. >nM >I read somewhere that the so called jacket routines(RTL) in turn make use ofE< >the system service to get their service done,is this TRUE ?  L This is true. The point is that original system services are sometimes a bitL tricky to deal with or complicated. Therefore the LIB$ routines offer a more5 simplified interface. Consider the following example:r  >            LIB$GETJPI  item-code [,process-id] [,process-name]=                        [,resultant-value] [,resultant-string] *                        [,resultant-length]    J            SYS$GETJPI  [efn] ,[pidadr] ,[prcnam] ,itmlst ,[iosb] ,[astadr]                       ,[astprm]n    L The system services requires an item list whereas the lib-routine only needsK the item code. In addition the system service offers the possibility to use L asynchronous procedures and to make use of event flags. Thus, for most casesB the LIB-routine is sufficient but if you need the advanced or full- functionality you go with the system service.a   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -- --------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 13:03:01 -0500i5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>-' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsh, Message-ID: <8vu7uu$527r$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  E Alan Greig wrote in message <3a1a39ba.1033233230@news.newsguy.com>...-- >On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 17:51:13 -0400, JF Mezeif& ><jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: >c >>Alan Greig wrote:rH >>> drops. Thus a manual recount statewide would still likely favour the0 >>> Democrats. If this is true it is disturbing. >>K >>Why would this be disturbing ? The goal is to acheive an accurate result.c IfF >>the voting technology results in a certain percentage of votes being rejectedJ >>when human observation would be able to reveal a clear voting intention, then >>what is wrong with it ?  >tG >I didn't mean that it would be dsturbing if a statewide manual recountnD >favoured the Democrats. I meant that it would be disturbing if thisE >was bacause  machines in Republican counties were more accurate thant >those in Democrat areas.o >o    L Hmmm.  In general, affluent communities tend to be more Republican, and lessL affluent communities Democratic - so maybe it would not be a suprise to findJ better equipment in Republican areas and older, less reliable equipment in Democratic areas.E  L The real question here is if the areas with equipment with high error rates,J such as the punch card system, have large populations, and which party won in those areas.t  K It should be fairly trivial (given the actual data) to take the error ratesNG for each voting district, take the number of uncounted ballots, and thedI voting ratios for the areas, and determine who "should" be the winner hadS all the ballots been counted..  K Of course, the margin of victory could still be within the margin of error.'  I In my opinion, there will be no answer that will make anyone happy.  GoretH won the popular vote, even if the margin was slim.  But he will lose theL election by a margin so small in a single state, where even Republicans mustL admit that without technical problems in a few places, Bush would and shouldJ have lost.  So he will have no real moral right to "lead", having won on aJ technicality.  Let's see if we now have 4 years of searching for the womenL that Bush slept with, and if he prefers coke to pot - as retribution for the/ Clinton fishing expedition of the last 6 years.g  K On the other hand, the Republicans have been so pissed about Bush the elder?H losing to Clinton - and Clinton playing them like a fiddle - that unlessJ this had been a landslide victory for Gore, they will never accept defeat.K Gore will end up with 4 more years of acrimony (which I might add is reallytH the Gingrich scorched-earch legacy) and divisiveness, with all the rightD wing Sunday morning talking heads talking about how Gore "stole" the	 election.d  / It is truly a shame that either one has to win.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:45:28 GMTt1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>d; Subject: Re: UAF Quotas - Y'ain't a-gonna believe this'n...r2 Message-ID: <3A2274EA.B73D4643@clarityconnect.com>  C What will happen is that WSQUOTA will be raised up to WSDEF (if theyG PQL_Ms are lower than these values).  Create an interactive process andbE then look at it with SHOW WORKING_SET.  Again remember that WS quotasrC don't give a process memory, they only allow it to use memory if ita wishes to.     "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > Check this out, folks: >  > UAF> SHOW PRODUCTIOND > Username: PRODUCTION                       Owner:  Production Jobs > [snip]; > Prclm:          10  DIOlm:       750  WSdef:        10000h; > Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         7500t; > Queprio:         0  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     81920  > [snip] > C > Does anyone have any idea what might happen when WSdef > WSquota?- > : > I almost can't believe this runs under these conditions! > C > I wonder where the working set limit gets set at process creation J > time... I'd think it would go to WSquota and no higher until the process/ > starts page faulting, but I could be wrong...  >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/- > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.,   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Nov 2000 22:23:39 +0800, From: Paul Repacholi <prep@prep.synonet.com>! Subject: Unibus and Q bus aka Q22s0 Message-ID: <87u28tijdg.fsf@k9.prep.synonet.com>   Ah, how soon they forget...t  9 First, Q22 refers to a Qbus with all 22 D/A lines presenti4 and admitted to. Also to 22 bit understanding cards.  > The Uni and Q busses are BOTH asyncronous. The main difference= is that the Q uses 22+2 Data/Address signal, and the Uni usedb< 18 Data lines, plus 18 Address lines. Why? The PDP-15. The Q: also cut down the interupt system. It used 4 request lines> and a single grant. All cards had to watch for higher priority; requesters and NOT take the bus if a higher Pri request wasd present.  5 The Unibus was also speced for a MUCH greater length.w   ~Pauls   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:35:27 -0500 4 From: "John L Ferguson" <John.L.Ferguson@compaq.com>0 Subject: Re: Urgent - can anyone help with this?6 Message-ID: <8vtv0i$3t7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J You might also want to checkout the Attunity Connect "On Platform" Package for OpenVMS Alpha atK http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/attunity/.  This package3I gives you access to Oracle databases.  You would need to purchase the RMSr and Rdb drivers from Attunity.  
 John Fergusonu OpenVMS eBusinesso   Michael wrote in message ...F >I need read and write access to RMS, Oracle RDB and Oracle on OpenVMS	 >systems.." >Can anybody recommend a solution? >r >e >l >s >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:09:59 -0500m3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com> 7 Subject: Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problemsn6 Message-ID: <8vtq23$335$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>    Gennady Meergus wrote in message8 <005a01c05499$ae26c600$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>...
 >Hi everyone,u > . >I'm still having problems with CGI on apache. >aK >1. It seems to ignore ExecCGI option. It always executes CGI from cgi-bin,-K >independentdly of whether ExecCGI set or not set for this directory and itdK >never executes CGI from other directories, again, independently of ExecCGIe	 >setting.h  7 This looks like a bug. We'll have someone look into it.-  J >2. It only executes EXE or COM files as CGI. Is there any way to convince it( >to run PERL as CGI, not using MOD_PERL?  G Yes, CGI will only execute .EXE and/or .COM files. To run a PERL scriptnG without MOD_PERL you will need to execute PERL from within a .COM file.r   Gaitan D'Antonib. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderC http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.htmlK Compaq Computer CorporationO   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 11:00:38 -0500n" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>7 Subject: Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problemsa: Message-ID: <5.0.1.4.0.20001127103707.024d7520@24.8.96.48>  2 At 09:09 AM 11/27/00 -0500, Gaitan D'Antoni wrote:! >Gennady Meergus wrote in messageo9 ><005a01c05499$ae26c600$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>...hL > >2. It only executes EXE or COM files as CGI. Is there any way to convince- > >it to run PERL as CGI, not using MOD_PERL?- >-H >Yes, CGI will only execute .EXE and/or .COM files. To run a PERL scriptH >without MOD_PERL you will need to execute PERL from within a .COM file.  I Turning a perl program into a .COM file isn't all that difficult. If you cI look through the perl distribution, you'll see a number of .COM files in  K it. The first few lines will look more or less like this (The version used tC with apache might have the two-line version--that'll work as well):f  F $ perl 'f$env("procedure")' 'p1' 'p2' 'p3' 'p4' 'p5' 'p6' 'p7' 'p8'  !6 $ exit++ + ++$status != 0 and $exit = $status = undef;       eval 'exec perl -S $0 "$@"'          if 0;  L (Assuming those didn't get wrapped) Rename your perl program to have a .COM I extension, prepend those four lines, and you should have just turned the e2 perl program into an executable command procedure.   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------I2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even2;                                       teddy bears get drunkg   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:39:39 +0200 3 From: "Gennady A. Meergus" <gennady@pbr.gtekil.com>s7 Subject: RE: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problems = Message-ID: <000001c058a1$bd6fbed0$0a00f2d1@kitty.gtek.co.il>.   Gaitan,>   Thank you for the answer.a  2 Sorry, it was probably my mistake rather than bug.  K I spent the whole day with it yesterday and it seems to me I found why that2 happens.H It did not execute scripts because "Directory" tag in configuration fileI seems to be case-sensitive. It was /user/dummy (meaning user:[dummy]) andSE when I changed it to /USER/dummy it apparently started to work. So mynI ExecCGI was probably ignored.  What's interesting is that other pathes inhH configuration files are all in lowercase (like apache$root/htbin) and it still works.  K As per cgi-bin, the directory is script-alias-ed by default so that ExecCGIu really did not influence it.  = > Yes, CGI will only execute .EXE and/or .COM files. To run ai
 > PERL script > > without MOD_PERL you will need to execute PERL from within a > .COM file.  K OK. I actually found that way yesterday. It is enough just to replace firstiK line of perl script to "$ perl sys$input". Then mention ".pl" as cgi scriptpH and it works. One should ensure, however, that no strings in perl file bL egin with $. I'll probably write a simple filter that will add space to eachD line. So it will be something like "$ add-space-and-perl sys$input".L That's still natural for unix users as first string always means the command> used to execute the file and here the same logic is preserved.  D I think it worth to mention in release notes if device names must be upper-case.l  ) Thanks again and sorry for bothering you,    Gennady.   > -----Original Message-----: > From: Gaitan D'Antoni [mailto:gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com]' > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 16:10  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 9 > Subject: Re: VMS Apache and CGI - still having problemsc >n >T" > Gennady Meergus wrote in message: > <005a01c05499$ae26c600$223b003e@ntlab_nts.gtek.co.il>... > >Hi everyone,s > >o0 > >I'm still having problems with CGI on apache. > >u? > >1. It seems to ignore ExecCGI option. It always executes CGIw > from cgi-bin,d< > >independentdly of whether ExecCGI set or not set for this > directory and it4 > >never executes CGI from other directories, again, > independently of ExecCGI > >setting.s >d9 > This looks like a bug. We'll have someone look into it.  >d< > >2. It only executes EXE or COM files as CGI. Is there any > way to convince  > it* > >to run PERL as CGI, not using MOD_PERL? > = > Yes, CGI will only execute .EXE and/or .COM files. To run as
 > PERL scripte> > without MOD_PERL you will need to execute PERL from within a > .COM file. >  > Gaitan D'Antonip0 > Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderE > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/csws.html  > Compaq Computer Corporationd   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 10:34:25 -0600 * From: "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca>" Subject: Write out char$(9) in DCL/ Message-ID: <D2wU5.860$JN1.38225@news1.mts.net>m  L     I need to write out a tab delimited file, I believe I'd need to do it byJ writing out an ASCII character 9, however, I can't seem to recall a method to do this in DCL.   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Nov 2000 16:44:43 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)& Subject: Re: Write out char$(9) in DCL. Message-ID: <8vu31r$b6e$2@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <D2wU5.860$JN1.38225@news1.mts.net>, "Mark-Simon Pope"m <mpope@bristol.ca> writes: s  N >     I need to write out a tab delimited file, I believe I'd need to do it byL > writing out an ASCII character 9, however, I can't seem to recall a method > to do this in DCL.   $  TAB [0,32]= % x09 $  WRITE SYS$OUTPUT TAB    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 18:28:04 GMT,= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) & Subject: Re: Write out char$(9) in DCL0 Message-ID: <009F3BFE.55EE1F3F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <8vu31r$b6e$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:aB >In article <D2wU5.860$JN1.38225@news1.mts.net>, "Mark-Simon Pope" ><mpope@bristol.ca> writes:  >sO >>     I need to write out a tab delimited file, I believe I'd need to do it by M >> writing out an ASCII character 9, however, I can't seem to recall a methode >> to do this in DCL.e >e >$  TAB [0,32]= % x09M
          ^^^^s& It's a single ASCII character... Try:    $  TAB [0,8]= % x09    $ TAB[0,32]==%X09l $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "*''TAB'*"  *  $ DELETEE/SYMBOL/GLOBAL TABy $ TAB[0,8]==%X09 $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "*''TAB'*"a	 *       *i     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            nO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.663 ************************