1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 28 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 665       Contents:C Re: ** URGENT ** Conversational bootstrap on AlphaStation 200 4/233 C Re: ** URGENT ** Conversational bootstrap on AlphaStation 200 4/233 C Re: ** URGENT ** Conversational bootstrap on AlphaStation 200 4/233 C Re: ** URGENT ** Conversational bootstrap on AlphaStation 200 4/233 7 Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye) 7 Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye) 7 Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye) 7 Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye) ( Re: Compaq Linux (RedHat or SCO/Caldera). Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict?7 Eg: Propagating a TXN to a sub-process for parallelism!  Re: Enterprise Toolkit Problem' Re: generate a shareble image with DECC  Gigabit Ethernet and Alpha's" How to remove a secondary pagefile& Re: How to remove a secondary pagefile& Re: How to remove a secondary pagefile" Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL question" Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL question" Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL question" Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL questionD Minor problem after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch VMS721_SYS-V08009 Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 9 Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 9 Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 9 Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 9 Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 9 RE: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS 9 Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS  passive mode on ucx  Re: passive mode on ucx  Re: Plot graphs? Re: Q22-bus programming " Re: Query on DCL and tape mounting Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS  Re: System Service and RTL Re: System Service and RTL Re: System Service and RTL Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections RE: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections RE: Technology of US elections RE: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections RE: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: UCX question Re: UCX question VMS and NT integration?????  Re: VMS and NT integration?????  Re: VMS and NT integration?????   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:06:32 GMT  From: linuxmtl@my-deja.comL Subject: Re: ** URGENT ** Conversational bootstrap on AlphaStation 200 4/233) Message-ID: <900e54$nl9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    No answer yet...   Please .... Help!!!    Tks!  ) In article <8vucjp$6rg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    linuxmtl@my-deja.com wrote:  > Good day,  > < > Our AlphaStation AlphaStation 200 4/233 si currently down. > C > To bring it up, I need to get into SYSBOOT> with a conversational  > bootstrap. >  > My default flag is 0,0.  > . > The FAQ at compaq's says to boot like this ; >  > b -flags 0,1 > C > This cause the station to freeze (it does nothing) until I CTRL-P  again  > at the console.  > 9 > I do not have the AlphaStation 200 4/233 documentation.  > @ > What is the right way to boot conversational with this system? > 
 > Regards, > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:34:26 +0000   From: steven.reece@quintiles.comL Subject: Re: ** URGENT ** Conversational bootstrap on AlphaStation 200 4/233H Message-ID: <OF824193E7.75DB8B8C-ON802569A5.004FBB6D@qedi.quintiles.com>  H Are you sure that the console is set correctly?  Does the system provideJ dialogue (i.e. informational messages) as it boots normally?  If not, then9 how do you know when the system has finished starting up?   I Why do you specifically need to conversationally boot the system to start  it?  Steve.  ( linuxmtl at my dash deja dot com wrote : >>>No answer yet...    Please .... Help!!!    Tks!  ) In article <8vucjp$6rg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    linuxmtl@my-deja.com wrote:  > Good day,  > < > Our AlphaStation AlphaStation 200 4/233 si currently down. > C > To bring it up, I need to get into SYSBOOT> with a conversational  > bootstrap. >  > My default flag is 0,0.  > . > The FAQ at compaq's says to boot like this ; >  > b -flags 0,1 > C > This cause the station to freeze (it does nothing) until I CTRL-P  again  > at the console.  > 9 > I do not have the AlphaStation 200 4/233 documentation.  > @ > What is the right way to boot conversational with this system? > 
 > Regards, > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.<<<   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:13:46 GMT * From: Doran Werling <rwscsinc@my-deja.com>L Subject: Re: ** URGENT ** Conversational bootstrap on AlphaStation 200 4/233) Message-ID: <900i33$r41$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ) In article <900e54$nl9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    linuxmtl@my-deja.com wrote:  > No answer yet... >  > Please .... Help!!!  >  > Tks! > + > In article <8vucjp$6rg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  >   linuxmtl@my-deja.com wrote: 
 > > Good day,  > > > > > Our AlphaStation AlphaStation 200 4/233 si currently down. > > E > > To bring it up, I need to get into SYSBOOT> with a conversational  > > bootstrap. > >  > > My default flag is 0,0.  > > 0 > > The FAQ at compaq's says to boot like this ; > >  > > b -flags 0,1 > > E > > This cause the station to freeze (it does nothing) until I CTRL-P  > again  > > at the console.  > > ; > > I do not have the AlphaStation 200 4/233 documentation.  > > B > > What is the right way to boot conversational with this system? > >  > > Regards, > > * > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.  > >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >   & The boot command for conversational is   >>> b -fl 0,1 [boot_device]   G If you do not specify a boot device the default will be used as defined $ by the console variable bootdef_dev.  C If this does not work, check and see if the system can see the boot 
 device by ...    >>> show device   F If the device shows up, then boot the system from CD and try and mountA the disk to verify that it is ok. If the disk mounts up something  happened to your system files.   regards,
 Doran Werling  RW/SCS Inc.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:14:00 -0000 5 From: "Robert A.M. van Lopik" <lopik@mail.telepac.pt> L Subject: Re: ** URGENT ** Conversational bootstrap on AlphaStation 200 4/233+ Message-ID: <900lp2$t0g$1@venus.telepac.pt>   J Remember having seen the same with my alphaserver 400. It turned out I hadB hooked my serial line to the wrong connector. (There are two 9-pin connectors on the back)    Hth 
 rob van lopik   K <linuxmtl@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:900e54$nl9$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  > No answer yet... >  > Please .... Help!!!  >  > Tks! > + > In article <8vucjp$6rg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  >   linuxmtl@my-deja.com wrote: 
 > > Good day,  > > > > > Our AlphaStation AlphaStation 200 4/233 si currently down. > > E > > To bring it up, I need to get into SYSBOOT> with a conversational  > > bootstrap. > >  > > My default flag is 0,0.  > > 0 > > The FAQ at compaq's says to boot like this ; > >  > > b -flags 0,1 > > E > > This cause the station to freeze (it does nothing) until I CTRL-P  > again  > > at the console.  > > ; > > I do not have the AlphaStation 200 4/233 documentation.  > > B > > What is the right way to boot conversational with this system? > >  > > Regards, > > * > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.  > >  >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:21:38 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> @ Subject: Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye)) Message-ID: <3A236B12.567C3B36@gtech.com>    FAYN wrote: H > When I compile a C source, generated by bison, with the DEC C compilerF > I've a warning (and finally an unresolved symbol) about the alloca()J > function (see NOTES above). The prototype of this function is defined in9 > the file bison.simple for some systems but not for VMS.    I have:   
 #ifdef VMS #define alloca(z) __ALLOCA(z)  #endif   in all my .Y files !  H > Apparently this function is a GNU gcc runtime function so I decided toH > install VMS/GNU gcc 2.7.1 (see NOTES above). Unfortunately I'm unabledE > to run it on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2, I've the following error messages :  > @ > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image GNU_CC:[000000]GCC.EXE > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file7 > NZE01$DKA100:[USERS.PTBF.SRC.GCC-VMS-2_7_1.GCC.][0000  > 00]GCC.EXE;1: > -IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image  0 Sounds as a VAX image being run on Alpha to me !  C Based on the error message and the fact that VMS Alpha requires GCC  2.8.x !    J >   - is there an implementation of the alloca() function in DEC C runtime > ?    Yes. See above,   C Actually it is not in the C runtime, but a builtin in the compiler.  But it works !  @ >   - is it possible to run GNU gcc 2.7.1 on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2 ?   No. You will need 2.8.x !    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:48:32 +0100 - From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> @ Subject: Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye)3 Message-ID: <3A239B90.6A1F935E@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>    Arne Vajhj wrote: > 
 > FAYN wrote: J > > When I compile a C source, generated by bison, with the DEC C compilerH > > I've a warning (and finally an unresolved symbol) about the alloca()L > > function (see NOTES above). The prototype of this function is defined in; > > the file bison.simple for some systems but not for VMS.  > 	 > I have:  >  > #ifdef VMS > #define alloca(z) __ALLOCA(z)  > #endif >  > in all my .Y files ! > - Why not put it once in the bison.simple file?             Jouk  --    > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansen  		     joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl   E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:00:05 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> @ Subject: Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye)) Message-ID: <3A239E44.A279DB8E@gtech.com>    Jouk Jansen wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote: > > FAYN wrote: L > > > When I compile a C source, generated by bison, with the DEC C compilerJ > > > I've a warning (and finally an unresolved symbol) about the alloca()N > > > function (see NOTES above). The prototype of this function is defined in= > > > the file bison.simple for some systems but not for VMS.  > >  > > I have:  > >  > > #ifdef VMS! > > #define alloca(z) __ALLOCA(z) 
 > > #endif > >  > > in all my .Y files ! > / > Why not put it once in the bison.simple file?   E I could, but then I would have to reapply, when (/if) I update Bison.    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 13:41:45 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net> @ Subject: Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye)* Message-ID: <900cmp$o99$2@news1.Radix.Net>  # Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote: ) > At 06:27 PM 11/27/00 +0100, FAYN wrote:  >>So my questions are :  >>L >>   - is there an implementation of the alloca() function in DEC C runtime?  M > There's an __ALLOCA builtin--you might try that. (I don't know for sure if  J > it does what you want, but the header files make it look like it might) $ > Looks to be Dec C 6.0 and up only.  J or simply use byacc (which doesn't rely on nonstandard language features).  ? ( ...unless the grammar also relies on nonstandard features ;-)   " ftp://dickey.his.com/vms/byacc.zip   --  = Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.com  ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:05:01 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>1 Subject: Re: Compaq Linux (RedHat or SCO/Caldera) + Message-ID: <VA.000001a7.083d8500@sture.ch>   F In article <3A23078E.123CE49F@earthlink.net>, David J. Dachtera wrote:9 > From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 3 > Subject: Re: Compaq Linux (RedHat or SCO/Caldera) ' > Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:17:02 -0600  >  > Gord Coulman wrote:  > > . > > Which is the best one for Alpha platforms? >  > Wow - tough call.  > I > Both Red Hat and Mandrake have an Alpha distro (since Mandrake *IS* red  > Hat underneath). > H And Suse too. I've got the Intel version, and IMHO it's far superior to G and significantly cheaper than Red Hat (spoken as a relative newbie to   Linux).    > There's *BSD for Alpha, also.  >    ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:28:41 GMT  From: herbertk@my-deja.com7 Subject: Decnet slowness vs TCP/IP: Pathworks conflict? ) Message-ID: <900pvs$26q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   = There are 2 Pc's in our office connected to the same network. @ One has TCP/IP on it, and that's it: A clean PC. It can transferA data at about 15Mb/min to a Vax with UCX on, and about 50M/min to " a Unix box. These speeds are fine.E Another PC has had Pathworks V7.1A installed. When we try to transfer E data from this to the UCX-Vax, or another Vax with only decnet on it, 2 the rate is pathetically slow, if it works at all.  A We have tried all the obvious things, tune the vax, switch browse B master off etc, but it seems to come down to these PC's (Compaq's)= just not liking Pathworks, or having it conflict with TCP/IP.   ( Sometimes the PC's just hang altogether.  B Before we go the next step and remove pathworks, and perhaps  alsoA replace the Vaxes with Unix boxes, does anyone have any idea what " is causing Decnet to be so sloW???   Thanks   Bob.  & nospam@bdmfiles@bemroseit.co.uk@nospam    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:17:58 GMT  From: richard_maher@my-deja.com @ Subject: Eg: Propagating a TXN to a sub-process for parallelism!) Message-ID: <9000oi$dvn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G $!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 	 =-=-=-=-=  $!	MAHER_DECDTM_PROPAGATION.COM G $!-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 	 =-=-=-=-=  $	Set Verify, $	DEFINE/PROCESS SQL$DISABLE_CONTEXT "FALSE"! $	SQLMOD == "$SYS$SYSTEM:SQL$MOD"  $!> $!	I've just realised that everyone is probably heading off on August Hols B $!	tomorrow so here's that riveting read you'll be needing for the	 beach. If @ $!	you don't get your jollies out of this functionality then you
 are simply $!	sick of life itself!  $!> $!	The code is yours *as is*. I don't offer any support, but I will answer any > $!	questions (here or via direct e-mail) when/if I can. Enjoy! $!B $!	To all the DBAs out there who won't spend a lot of time looking at this,9 $!	please pass it on to your developers. It's no use just  mothering the data if ! $!	you don't do anything with it.  $!B $!	NB: This is USER mode, UNpriviledged code! You do *NOT* have to install > $!	anything. Turn all priviledges *OFF* except (netmbx,tmpmbx) $!: $!	Can someone please test this on a VAX. If there are any problems I'll try : $!	and fix them ASAP. I am expecting a ss$_accvio from the $abort_transw on? $!	Alpha but if it's not reproducable on a VAX then, I'm sorry,  but that's a $!	Compaq problem. $!@ $!	The alternative (removal of $abort_trans from CHILD.COB is to
 do what, I? $!	think, Rdb is doing with Server Binding and rdb$remote. That6 is, the serverB $!	process is a just a brainless reactive no-hoper (sudden rush of empathy :-)U7 $!	that regardless of any eventuality will sit there at3 $end_branch after*@ $!	informing the main/co-ordinator process of what went on. I do not believet? $!	that is what you should be doing and it severely reduces thea	 scope forc $!	*parallelism*.e $!B $!	I've attached the source files as well as included them in-line
 for peopleA $!	who aren't keen on attachments. I've kept the example programsu
 as short as I 3 $!	can while still trying to make them half useful.e $! $	gosub	Create_parent_cobr! $	gosub	Create_child_exit_ast_cob  $	gosub	Create_child_cob $	gosub	dist_sql_sqlmodT $	gosub	Create_out_msg_cob $!& $	if	f$getsyi("ARCH_NAME") .eqs. "VAX" $	then $		cobol/lis			parent.cobo $	else( $		cobol/GRANULARITY=BYTE/lis	parent.cob $	endif ! $	cobol/lis				child_exit_ast.cob  $	cobol/lis				child.cob $	cobol/lis				out_msg.cob $!6 $!	You need to create two Rdb databases. Put the first MF_PERSONNEL.RDB in thei $!	default directory.  $!
 $	set noon $	sql-$ drop database filename mf_personnel; exit $!# $	@SQL$SAMPLE:PERSONNEL SQL M NOCDD  $!8 $!	Then create a sub-directory [.test] and put a copy of personnel.rdb there. $!" $	if f$search("test.dir") .eqs. "" $	then $		create/dir [.test]r $		set default [.test]$ $		@SQL$SAMPLE:PERSONNEL SQL S NOCDD $		set default [-] $	endifc $	set verify $! $!	Then run the following sql:-  $! $	SQLS ATTACH 'FILE [.TEST]PERSONNEL';l? ALTER TABLE DEPARTMENTS ALTER COLUMN DEPARTMENT_NAME CONSTRAINT ( NO_SPACE CHECK (DEPARTMENT_NAME <> ' '); COMMIT;n EXIT $!< $!	By just hitting RETURN in response to the department name	 prompt iny@ $!	PARENT.COB you will cause the failure, or $abort_trans, case. That is, the $!	above constraint will fail. $!: $!	The cobol programs are straight $COBOL/LIS  (NB: Before compiling both COBOL= $!	programs, be sure to change "MYNODE" to the SCSNODE/DECnetS nodename of thee; $!	machine your running on. See $add_branch, $start_branch)  $!3 $!	On second thoughts PARENT.COB should be compileds with /GRANULARITY=BYTE (or= $!	add "03  GRANULARITY_SENTINAL PIC 9(18) COMP." between thei child_status and< $!	user_exit fields. I originally thought that the alignment compiler> $!	directives would handle it, but I believe that they give us performance andlB $!	natural alignment and not granularity protection from ASTs. *DC SETS $!	GRANULARITY please? $!& $!	The SQLMOD is compiled as follows:- $!" $!	SQLMOD DIST_SQL.SQLMOD/CONTEXT=' (SET_TRANS_RW,UPDATE_DEPT)/CONSTR=IMMEDj; $	SQLMOD DIST_SQL.SQLMOD/CONTEXT=(SET_TRANS_RW,UPDATE_DEPT)  $!8 $!	You need to do a $MACRO/LIS on the following (call it
 DIST_DEF.MAR)  $! $	CREATE DIST_DEF.MARO*         .TITLE EXTERNAL SYMBOL DEFINITIONS  &         $CMBDEF                 GLOBAL&         $AGNDEF                 GLOBAL&         $DDTMDEF                GLOBAL&         $DDTMMSGDEF             GLOBAL           $IODEF;         IO__WRITENOW            == <IO$_WRITEVBLK!IO$M_NOW>2B         IO__READCHECK           == <IO$_READVBLK!IO$M_WRITERCHECK>C         IO__WRITECHECK          == <IO$_WRITEVBLK!IO$M_READERCHECK!t	 IO$M_NOW>jB ;        IO__WRITEOFCHECK        == <IO$_WRITEOF!IO$M_READERCHECK!	 IO$M_NOW>oA         IO__WRITEOFCHECK        == <IO$_WRITEOF!IO$M_READERCHECK>            .END $! $	MACRO/LIS DIST_DEF.MAR $!@ $!	You'll see from above that I've removed the io$m_now from the
 eof write.A $!	This EOF write is being used as the main synchronization pointn between>A $!	Parent and Child. IMHO the child process should be able to usem	 io$m_now,i; $!	thus facilitating greater parallelism, in the successfulf $end_branchw case.C $!	NB: You'll hear otherwise from Rdb engineering, but I believe ani@ $!	$abort_trans in the child before the parent has finished it's
 Rdb work willm2 $!	yield "undefined" results. So just don't do it! $!@ $!	"We're in EXEC mode; your DECdtm calls are in USER; You can't
 scare us!"? $!	I've never believed this and when I asked if Rdb engineeringa had come uptB $!	with a CMUSER the answer was no we just drop back to USER mode.	 So unlessOB $!	they do a $setast 0 before going into EXEC "Please say it ain't so!" an > $!	abort transaction event ast could screw things up big time. During a verb,! $!	between two verbs etc etc. . .  $!A $!	Speaking of Rdb engineering, I wouldn't hold my breath waitingv for them toa> $!	say they support this. Nothing wrong with that! To say they support it meansA $!	that they'd have to have tested it which requires money. Moneyw
 which will8 $!	not be forthcoming until at least Compaq says it will publish/support the0% $!	branch management system services.rA $!	But I think we can aim for the acquiescence of Rdb engineerings as an B $!	attainable goal. It's not like their not doing exactly the same thingt $!	themselves. $!! $!	Then you link the two images:-a $!2 $	LINK PARENT, CHILD_EXIT_AST, DIST_DEF, DIST_SQL, SYS$LIBRARY:SQL$USER/LIB; $	LINK CHILD,  CHILD_EXIT_AST, OUT_MSG, DIST_DEF, DIST_SQL,a SYS$LIBRARY:SQL$USER/LIB $! $!	Finally:- $!
 $!	RUN PARENTt $!B $!	Enter a couple of department_names (you can check the databases if you want)8 $!	before entering spaces. Enter ^Z if you want to exit. $! $Exit: $	Exit  H $!---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- $Create_parent_cob:s $	create	parent.cobd identification division., program-id.    parent_rtn with ident "v1.0". author.        public domain.2   data division. working-storage section. * @ 01  child_exit_ast                      pointer value   external child_exit_ast.e@ 01  cmb$m_writeonly         pic 9(9)    comp    value   external cmb$m_writeonly.@ 01  cmb$m_readonly          pic 9(9)    comp    value   external cmb$m_readonly.t@ 01  cli$m_nowait            pic 9(9)    comp    value   external
 cli$m_nowait.h@ 01  io__writenow            pic 9(9)    comp    value   external
 io__writenow.i@ 01  io$_readvblk            pic 9(9)    comp    value   external
 io$_readvblk. @ 01  io$_writevblk           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external io$_writevblk.@ 01  io$_writeof             pic 9(9)    comp    value   external io$_writeof.@ 01  ss$_endoffile           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external ss$_endoffile.@ 01  ss$_normal              pic 9(9)    comp    value   external ss$_normal.-@ 01  ss$_abort               pic 9(9)    comp    value   external
 ss$_abort.- 01  sys_status              pic 9(9)    comp.T * A 01  db_spec                 pic x(50)           value "alias pers0 filename mf_personnel".t *+ *dc set alignmente *- 01  child_params.h-     03  child_status        pic 9(9)    comp.i<     03  user_exit           pic x               value   "N". *+ *dc end-set alignmento *-" 01  commit_flag             pic x.' 01  msg_buf                 pic x(256).e- 01  msg_len                 pic 9(4)    comp..- 01  write_chan              pic 9(4)    comp.p- 01  read_chan               pic 9(4)    comp.c 01  letter_sent.&     03  ls_tid              pic x(16).&     03  ls_bid              pic x(16).&     03  new_name            pic x(30).'     03                      pic x(450).  *t 01  sql_ctx.:     03                      pic 9(9)    comp    value   1.:     03                      pic 9(9)    comp    value   1.;     03                      pic 9(9)    comp    value   16.RC     03  tid                 pic x(16)           value   low-values.h=     03                      pic 9(9)    comp    value   zero. & 01  bid                     pic x(16). *?- 01  sqlcode                 pic 9(9)    comp.o
 01  dtm_iosb.j-     03  dtm_iosb_status     pic 9(4)    comp.e#     03                      pic xx. -     03  reason_code         pic 9(9)    comp.-  A 01 rdb$message_vector                                   external.--     03 rdb$lu_num_arguments pic 9(9)    comp.c-     03 rdb$lu_status        pic 9(9)    comp.V@     03 rdb$alu_arguments                        occurs 18 times.-         05 rdb$lu_arguments pic 9(9)    comp.  *o	 01  iosb. -     03  cond_val            pic 9(4)    comp.n-     03  byte_count          pic 9(4)    comp.i-     03  chan_info           pic 9(9)    comp.c *n procedure division.  kick_off section.o 00.e     perform parent_init.  F     display "Enter new department name  : " erase screen no advancing.     accept      new_name                 protectedN                 reversed&     at end      move "Y" to user_exit.  -     perform dist_trans until user_exit = "Y".        call "sys$qiow"p:         using   by value        0, write_chan, io$_writeof$                 by reference    iosb/                 by value        0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0          giving  sys_status.G;     if sys_status = ss$_normal move cond_val to sys_status.VA     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuen sys_status.a *  fini. 
     stop run.r *m parent_init section. 00.S *+ * Need a conduit.. *-     call "sys$crembx"a!         using   by value        0n*                 by reference    write_chan.                 by value        512, 512, 0, 0)                 by descriptor   "P2C_MBX"!2                 by value        cmb$m_writeonly, 0         giving  sys_status.iA     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value  sys_status.0       call "sys$crembx" !         using   by value        0.)                 by reference    read_chan)/                 by value        512, 2048, 0, 0.)                 by descriptor   "C2P_MBX"1                 by value        cmb$m_readonly, 0C         giving  sys_status.wA     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuee sys_status.u *+C * Create the party of the 2nd part. Spawn flags say NOWAIT. Get it?c parallelism!B * Sorry that's *PARALLELISM*. This is goodness. This is desirable, especially forE * networks. This is unachievable with rdb$remote, SQL/Services, ACMS,a DEC RPC, COM+. . . *-     call "lib$spawn",         using   by descriptor   "$run child"!                 by value        0u+                 by descriptor   "child.log"s,                 by reference    cli$m_nowait$                 by value        0, 0,                 by reference    child_status1                 by value        0, child_exit_ast ,                 by reference    child_params'                 by value        0, 0, 0          giving  sys_status.sA     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value8 sys_status.  *+E * Attach to the database. I've done it this way because I didn't want  to have G * to worry about changing logical names, but also to show how you could  attachE * to any number of run-time defined databases and include them in the- 2PC. *-:     call "declare_connection_name" using sqlcode, db_spec.%     if rdb$lu_status not = ss$_normal 3          call "sys$putmsg" using rdb$message_vectorj2          call "lib$stop" using by value ss$_abort. *) fini.o *O dist_trans section.g 00. 4     move function upper-case (new_name) to new_name. *+ * Start the transaction. *-     call "sys$start_transw"C$         using   by value        0, 0(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0#                 by reference    tid          giving  sys_status. B     if sys_status = ss$_normal move dtm_iosb_status to sys_status.A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valued sys_status.z *+7 * Authorize a branch (participant) for the sub-process.  *- *    call "sys$add_branchw"s% *        using   by value        0, 0 ) *                by reference    dtm_iosbB% *                by value        0, 0-$ *                by reference    tid) *                by descriptor   "MYNODE"r$ *                by reference    bid *        giving  sys_status.     call "sys$add_branchw"$         using   by value        0, 0(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0#                 by reference    tid '                 by descriptor   "GROAT"n#                 by reference    bidA         giving  sys_status.tB     if sys_status = ss$_normal move dtm_iosb_status to sys_status.A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuen sys_status.  *+> * Give the sub-process what it needs to join in. *PARALLELISM*C * This could just as easily be a TIP URL. YOU could make it happen!  *-     move tid to ls_tid.v     move bid to ls_bid.m       call "sys$qiow"d;         using   by value        0, write_chan, io__writenowt$                 by reference    iosb#                 by value        0,00+                 by reference    letter_sentu+                 by value        512,0,0,0,0S         giving  sys_status..;     if sys_status = ss$_normal move cond_val to sys_status.@A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuea sys_status.p *+
 * Enlist Rdb.  *-/     call "set_trans_rw" using sqlcode, sql_ctx.u%     if rdb$lu_status not = ss$_normal,2         call "sys$putmsg" using rdb$message_vector1         call "lib$stop" using by value ss$_abort.t *m8     call "update_dept" using sqlcode, new_name, sql_ctx.!     if rdb$lu_status = ss$_normald         move "Y" to commit_flag.     else2         call "sys$putmsg" using rdb$message_vector          move "N" to commit_flag. *+A * Synchronize with the child process as we can't commit until his D * database work is finished. For this example we don't bother asking@ * the child how its update went. Let the DECdtm 2PC sort it out. *-     perform get_reply.-     perform until sys_status not = ss$_normalh5         display "Child> ", letter_sent (1:byte_count)c         perform get_reply      end-perform.D     if sys_status not = ss$_endoffile call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status.r       if commit_flag = "Y"         perform commit_trans     else         perform abort_trans. *a fini.. *n9     display "Enter new department name  : " no advancing.t     accept      new_name                 protecteda                 reversed&     at end      move "Y" to user_exit. *s get_reply section. 00.      call "sys$qiow"s:         using   by value        0, read_chan, io$_readvblk$                 by reference    iosb#                 by value        0,0g+                 by reference    letter_sentC+                 by value        512,0,0,0,0n         giving  sys_status.,;     if sys_status = ss$_normal move cond_val to sys_status.n *e commit_trans section.s 00.i*     display "Committing transaction. . .".       call "sys$end_transw".$         using   by value        0, 0(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0#                 by reference    tid          giving  sys_status.uA     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by values sys_status.o *v"     if dtm_iosb_status = ss$_abort          call "sys$getmsg"3                 using   by value        reason_codeR/                         by reference    msg_len=/                         by descriptor   msg_buf +                         by value        0,0L"                 giving  sys_status'          if sys_status not = ss$_normalt7               call "lib$stop" using by value sys_statust          end-ifo9          display "Couldn't commit - " msg_buf (1:msg_len)e,     else if dtm_iosb_status not = ss$_normal=               call "lib$stop" using by value dtm_iosb_status.f *  abort_trans section. 00.s(     display "Aborting transaction. . .".       call "sys$abort_transw"e$         using   by value        0, 0(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0#                 by reference    tido!                 by value        0o         giving  sys_status.dC     if sys_status = ss$_normal or ss$_abort move dtm_iosb_status toe sys_status.oA     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuex sys_status.t *b end program parent_rtn.e $	returnH $!---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- $Create_child_exit_ast_cob:a $	create child_exit_ast.cobi identification division. program-id.    child_exit_ast. *s data division. linkage section. *+ *dc set alignmentf *- 01  child_params.D-     03  child_status        pic 9(9)    comp.w"     03  user_exit           pic x. *+ *dc end-set alignmento *-& procedure division using child_params. 00.d     if user_exit = "N"'         display "Unexpected child exit"i4         call "lib$stop" using by value child_status. *i fini.d     exit program.h *w end program child_exit_ast.! $	return  H $!---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- $Create_child_cob: $	create child.cob identification division.+ program-id.    child_rtn with ident "v1.0".h author.        public domain.o   data division. working-storage section. *n@ 01  out_msg                             pointer value   external out_msg.@ 01  io__readcheck           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external io__readcheck.@ 01  io__writeofcheck        pic 9(9)    comp    value   external io__writeofcheck.	@ 01  agn$m_writeonly         pic 9(9)    comp    value   external agn$m_writeonly.@ 01  agn$m_readonly          pic 9(9)    comp    value   external agn$m_readonly. @ 01  ddtm$m_nowait           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external ddtm$m_nowait.@ 01  ddtm$_aborted           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external ddtm$_integrity.@ 01  ss$_endoffile           pic 9(9)    comp    value   external ss$_endoffile.@ 01  ss$_normal              pic 9(9)    comp    value   external ss$_normal."@ 01  ss$_abort               pic 9(9)    comp    value   external
 ss$_abort.- 01  sys_status              pic 9(9)    comp.  *nA 01  db_spec                 pic x(50)           value "alias persS filename [.test]personnel".E- 01  sqlcode                 pic 9(9)    comp.R
 01  dtm_iosb.T-     03  dtm_iosb_status     pic 9(4)    comp.;#     03                      pic xx.i-     03  reason_code         pic 9(9)    comp.rA 01 rdb$message_vector                                   external.,-     03 rdb$lu_num_arguments pic 9(9)    comp.f-     03 rdb$lu_status        pic 9(9)    comp.O@     03 rdb$alu_arguments                        occurs 18 times.-         05 rdb$lu_arguments pic 9(9)    comp.a	 01  iosb. -     03  cond_val            pic 9(4)    comp.t-     03  byte_count          pic 9(4)    comp.C-     03  chan_info           pic 9(9)    comp.( * ' 01  msg_buf                 pic x(256).)- 01  msg_len                 pic 9(4)    comp._ 01  sql_ctx.:     03                      pic 9(9)    comp    value   1.:     03                      pic 9(9)    comp    value   1.;     03                      pic 9(9)    comp    value   16.oC     03  tid                 pic x(16)           value   low-values.c=     03                      pic 9(9)    comp    value   zero.S *T- 01  read_chan               pic 9(4)    comp.S- 01  write_chan              pic 9(4)    comp. < 01  cmd_eof                 pic x               value   "N"." 01  commit_flag             pic x. 01  letter_sent.&     03  ls_tid              pic x(16).&     03  ls_bid              pic x(16).&     03  new_name            pic x(30).'     03                      pic x(450).  *  procedure division.  kick_off section.  00.F     perform child_init.        perform get_cmd.+     perform dist_trans until cmd_eof = "Y".   &     call "disconnect_db" using sqlcode%     if rdb$lu_status not = ss$_normalV2         call "sys$putmsg" using rdb$message_vector1         call "lib$stop" using by value ss$_abort.  *M fini. 
     stop run.T *C child_init section.R 00.! *+ * Need a conduit.  *-     call "sys$assign" )         using   by descriptor   "P2C_MBX"t)                 by reference    read_chan 4                 by value        0, 0, agn$m_readonly         giving  sys_status.>A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuem sys_status.        call "sys$assign"t)         using   by descriptor   "C2P_MBX"a*                 by reference    write_chan5                 by value        0, 0, agn$m_writeonlyn         giving  sys_status.hA     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuej sys_status.i *+ * Attach to the database.  *-:     call "declare_connection_name" using sqlcode, db_spec.%     if rdb$lu_status not = ss$_normald3          call "sys$putmsg" using rdb$message_vectors2          call "lib$stop" using by value ss$_abort. *  dist_trans section.0 00.r     move ls_tid to tid.    *    call "sys$start_branchw"t% *        using   by value        0, 0 ) *                by reference    dtm_iosbo% *                by value        0, 0f' *                by reference    ls_tidt) *                by descriptor   "MYNODE"r' *                by reference    ls_bidh *        giving  sys_status.     call "sys$start_branchw"$         using   by value        0, 0(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0&                 by reference    ls_tid'                 by descriptor   "GROAT"u&                 by reference    ls_bid         giving  sys_status.kB     if sys_status = ss$_normal move dtm_iosb_status to sys_status.A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valueD sys_status._ *,     perform the_update.B *	     call "sys$qiow"I?         using   by value        0, write_chan, io__writeofcheck!$                 by reference    iosb/                 by value        0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0c         giving  sys_status.n;     if sys_status = ss$_normal move cond_val to sys_status. A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value- sys_status.-       if commit_flag = "Y"          perform commit_transn     else perform abort_trans.. *r fini.d     perform get_cmd. *t get_cmd section. 00.      call "sys$qiow"a;         using   by value        0, read_chan, io__readcheckt$                 by reference    iosb#                 by value        0,0_+                 by reference    letter_sent +                 by value        512,0,0,0,0y         giving  sys_status. ;     if sys_status = ss$_normal move cond_val to sys_status. !     if sys_status = ss$_endoffilen         move "Y" to cmd_eofr     else&         if sys_status not = ss$_normal6             call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status. *  the_update section.e 00. /     call "set_trans_rw" using sqlcode, sql_ctx.(%     if rdb$lu_status not = ss$_normalt2         call "sys$putmsg" using rdb$message_vector1         call "lib$stop" using by value ss$_abort.l  8     call "update_dept" using sqlcode, new_name, sql_ctx.%     if rdb$lu_status not = ss$_normal(         move "N" to commit_flags         call "sys$putmsg" :                 using   by reference    rdb$message_vector2                         by value        out_msg, 02                         by reference    write_chan"                 giving  sys_status&         if sys_status not = ss$_normal5             call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status          end-if     else          move "Y" to commit_flag. *  fini.+ *d commit_trans section.- 00.      display "Ending branch".     call "sys$end_branchw"$         using   by value        0, 0(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0.                 by reference    ls_tid, ls_bid         giving  sys_status. A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by value3 sys_status.  * "     if dtm_iosb_status = ss$_abort          call "sys$getmsg"3                 using   by value        reason_codeo/                         by reference    msg_len /                         by descriptor   msg_buf +                         by value        0,03!                 giving sys_status '          if sys_status not = ss$_normal 7               call "lib$stop" using by value sys_status           end-if 9          display "Couldn't commit - " msg_buf (1:msg_len)o,     else if dtm_iosb_status not = ss$_normal=               call "lib$stop" using by value dtm_iosb_status.  *3 abort_trans section. 00.(#     display "Aborting transaction".        call "sys$abort_transw" 0         using   by value        0, ddtm$m_nowait(                 by reference    dtm_iosb$                 by value        0, 0&                 by reference    ls_tid-                 by value        ddtm$_abortedo&                 by reference    ls_bid         giving  sys_status. B     if sys_status = ss$_normal move dtm_iosb_status to sys_status.A     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuei sys_status.  *e end program child_rtn. $	returnH $!---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- $Create_out_msg_cob: $	create out_msg.cob identification division. program-id.    out_msg.  data division. working-storage section. *"@ 01  io__writecheck          pic 9(9)    comp    value   external io__writecheck.e@ 01  ss$_normal              pic 9(9)    comp    value   external ss$_normal.,@ 01  ss$_abort               pic 9(9)    comp    value   external
 ss$_abort.- 01  sys_status              pic 9(9)    comp.  *s	 01  iosb.l-     03  cond_val            pic 9(4)    comp. -     03  byte_count          pic 9(4)    comp..-     03  chan_info           pic 9(9)    comp.y *r linkage section.
 01  msg_desc. -     03  msg_len             pic 9(4)    comp._-     03  msg_class           pic 9(4)    comp. 0     03  msg_addr                        pointer.- 01  write_chan              pic 9(4)    comp., *  procedure division         using   msg_desc,                  write_chan         giving  ss$_abort. 00.0   *+F * This $qiow call could just as easily be a call to T3$SEND that wouldE * transfer all of those lovely descriptive Rdb error messages back to, * your VB message window.d *-     call "sys$qiow" =         using   by value        0, write_chan, io__writecheckg$                 by reference    iosb<                 by value        0,0,msg_addr,msg_len,0,0,0,0         giving  sys_status.n;     if sys_status = ss$_normal move cond_val to sys_status.rA     if sys_status not = ss$_normal call "lib$stop" using by valuei sys_status.e       exit program.i   end program out_msg. $	return  H $!---------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- $Dist_sql_sqlmod:  $	create Dist_sql.sqlmod module    dist_sql language  cobol  parameter colons  ( declare pers alias filename mf_personnel  ! procedure declare_connection_name          sqlcode,!         :db_spec        char(50);            attach :db_spec;   procedure set_trans_rw         sqlcode;  "         set transaction read write<                 reserving pers.departments for shared write;   procedure update_deptc         sqlcodei         :dept_name    char(30);            update pers.departmentst0                 set department_name = :dept_name.                 where department_code= 'PHRN';   procedure disconnect_db          sqlcode;           disconnect default;  $	return    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:55:36 -0500s0 From: "meg garrison" <meg.garrison@xcompaqx.com>' Subject: Re: Enterprise Toolkit Problem), Message-ID: <900gtl$65pt$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   Hi,n  L John V. is correct in that Visual Studio uses the read-only attribute of theL file to incidicate that a file under source code control is not checked out.  I This is just a guess on my part...I need more information, but here goes:   K This is a problem because your "master" copy of the files are really on NT;_I that's where you check them out, change them, etc..  Then you rely on themK toolkit to move the files to the VMS system where you do a build using MMS.aK Each time you touch a file on the VMS machine, you run into trouble becauseuI that file gets synchronized back to the NT machine, confusing your source  code control system.  H I can think of a couple of workarounds.  You might consider checking theI files out of your source code control system before doing your VMS build. D Then simply "uncheck out" after the build.  This seems hacky though.  L Another option is to fix your MMS procedure so you don't have to do the fileL "touching".  This seems like a better choice.  Admittedly, I don't know muchH about MMS, so I can't offer any advice on how to fix your MMS procedure.K I'm sure there are lots of people in this forum who can advise you on that!   H Still another option is to upgrade to the latest version of the toolkit,I which is version 2.0.  In this latest version, we actually have a settingsL which will checksum the files on both the PC and VMS machine and only do theH synch if the file contents are different.  I think this would solve your problem too.  3 Do any of these suggestions seem reasonable to you?    Meg Garrison- Compaq OpenVMS Enterprise Toolkit Engineering   ? "Shraga Broyer" <Shraga_Broyer@bmc.nospam.com> wrote in message ' news:3a20a04a.338175911@news.bmc.com...tD > I sometimes "touch" files on the VMS (By renaming the files to theH > same name) in order to encourage MMS to do its thing.  The fact that IG > then have files on my NT that are not checked out but are more recentlG > than the CONTINUUS database causes me a great grief (i.e large amount G > of errors which I then have to manually handle) when I get the latestt > updates of the team. >pE > On Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:33:02 -0500, "John Vottero" <John@mvpsi.com>d > wrote: >eB > >"Shraga Broyer" <Shraga_Broyer@bmc.nospam.com> wrote in message* > >news:3a1a6165.102121302@news.bmc.com... > >> Hi.I > >> I have an OpenVMS Enterpeise Toolkit V1.2-2 for Visual Studio. It''saG > >> connecting my development environment which is NT 4.0 and my ALPHA F > >> with OpenVMS 6.2-1H3.  I have a problem: The "SYNCHRONIZE" buttonK > >> transfers updated files from the VMS to the NT even if they are markediI > >> as "READ-ONLY" on the NT without any  warning (such as "This file isfI > >> marked as read-only, are you sure?"). This became an issue because I E > >> am working with a source control software ("CONTINUUS") and this J > >> behaviour is VERY not in synch with the required check-out mechanism. > >> Any suggestions?  > >> Thanks! > > H > >I think that's just the way it works.  Visual Studio seems to use theH > >READ-ONLY attribute as a marker to mean that the file is under source codeD > >control and it isn't checked out.  When the Enterprise Toolkit isF > >synchronizing it expects to have to overwrite files that are markedL > >READ-ONLY, it just means that you don't have them checked out but someoneK > >else has modified the file.  How did the server file get updated withouto$ > >being checked out from CONTINUUS? > >m > >a > >c > >s >0   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 09:53:06 GMT7 From: Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) 0 Subject: Re: generate a shareble image with DECC0 Message-ID: <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-1zUxCVNcTXwh@Tom2>  B On Tue, 28 Nov 2000 00:17:09, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff  Hoffman) wrote:"   > ... G >   Check the shareable image cookbook referenced in the OpenVMS FAQ...l > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >   1 I've checked it, but I'am not very familiar with  5 VAX Macro. The only example is to export an constant.= I've tried :   ..! macro XPORT_DATA entry_point_datal
 align QUAD long entry_point_data  External entry_point_datam endm   	XPORT_DATA test_count ..  
 my c-source :a   int test_count = 0;   D %LINK-I-BASDUERRS, an got basing image due to errors in relocatable 	 referenceo@ %LINK-W-NONPICREF, failure to user .ADDRESS for relocatable data   but the executable runs.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:18:13 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>% Subject: Gigabit Ethernet and Alpha's 6 Message-ID: <200011280714.IAA10880@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  L I have installed a Gigabit Ethernet adpater (DEGPA) into a DS20 AlphaServer.H The adpater will be seen with the SHOW CONFIGURATION command, but not asG device. I have installed the newest Alpha Firmware CD (5.7) without any-E change on the behavior. Does anybody know, what I have to do, so thatbE this adpater is seen as device under the Alpha console program? Or is D it under OpenVMS 7.3 also not possible to boot via Gigabit Ethernet?   TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:16:44 +0800 5 From: Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com>i+ Subject: How to remove a secondary pagefilex8 Message-ID: <2v372t41vk3tifgrt7njt3dr2j6gab3c3s@4ax.com>  F We had upgraded our system boot disk from slow 4GB to fast 8GB, now we7 had no constraint we used to have for a large pagefile.-D I had extended twice the size the primary pagefile, justified by the AUTOGEN recommendations.  D But the system still loads (but unsuccessful) the pagefile which wasF created few months back. It failed because the disk was offline in the startup script:e  > 	SYSGEN INSTALL <offline disk>PAGEFILE2.SYS /PAGEFILE /NOCHECK  A How can I remove the "default" loading of this unwanted pagefile? ( What commands in SYSGEN shall I execute?  A I had tried commenting out the PAGEFILE2 in MODPARAMS.DAT and runc AUTOGEN, and it did not help.    HELP!!!!      p Regards,  	 Netsurferg        ====R For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:49:31 GMTm= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) / Subject: Re: How to remove a secondary pagefile 0 Message-ID: <009F3C8F.D2C7EFDD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  p In article <2v372t41vk3tifgrt7njt3dr2j6gab3c3s@4ax.com>, Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> writes:G >We had upgraded our system boot disk from slow 4GB to fast 8GB, now we 8 >had no constraint we used to have for a large pagefile.E >I had extended twice the size the primary pagefile, justified by the  >AUTOGEN recommendations.  > E >But the system still loads (but unsuccessful) the pagefile which was G >created few months back. It failed because the disk was offline in the  >startup script: >1? >	SYSGEN INSTALL <offline disk>PAGEFILE2.SYS /PAGEFILE /NOCHECK  > B >How can I remove the "default" loading of this unwanted pagefile?) >What commands in SYSGEN shall I execute?m >sB >I had tried commenting out the PAGEFILE2 in MODPARAMS.DAT and run >AUTOGEN, and it did not help. > 	 >HELP!!!!v >     	 >Regards,( > 
 >Netsurfer >3 >    c >==== S >For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address._  6 Remove the SYSGEN INSTALL from the startup and reboot.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:27:31 GMT / From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> / Subject: Re: How to remove a secondary pagefile ) Message-ID: <9008bf$j3v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>p  E The secondary pagefile is loaded from a startup DCL script. I believe F that it is normally called SYPAGSWPFILES.COM and is under sys$startup.   Edit this file" You will see a line something like MC SYSGEN INSTALL xxxxxx/PAGE  Just remove this line   G There may also be a line mounting a disk from here as the pagefiles are C installed (and hence this command file is run) before the disks aren normally mounted. D Whether or not you remove this mount is up to you but it sounds like; this disk does not exists do it would be tidier if you did.r   Hope this helps"   Mike     --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:07:38 GMTo From: richard_maher@my-deja.comy+ Subject: Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL questionv) Message-ID: <900058$dj4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i   Hi,y  F Would it not be possible to put the routine contained in MAIN.EXE intoD a seperate shareable image SHARE_2.EXE that MAIN.EXE and SHARE_1.EXE could link against?   G Alternatively you could pass the address of the subroutine contained in,E MAIN.EXE as a parameter in your call to the routine loaded by lib$fisoD and that routine could do something like LIB$CALLG. (You're probably4 already using lib$callg or MACRO in MAIN.EXE anyway)  1 How much control over MAIN and SHARE do you have?s   Regards Richard Maher     , In article <3A231F88.D26AD05C@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:B > I have a main image that calls routines in an external shareable
 image with& > the LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL technique. >  > The question:  > G > Is it possible for a routine in the sharable image that is invoked by = > LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to call a routine in the main image ?i >r8 > Is it a case of linking the main image/share and usingC > UNIVERSAL=main_routine_name to define the routines that are to ben callable > from the external routine  ? >r    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:03:39 -0500T- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> + Subject: Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL question , Message-ID: <3A239104.B1E0EACC@videotron.ca>    richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote:H > Would it not be possible to put the routine contained in MAIN.EXE intoF > a seperate shareable image SHARE_2.EXE that MAIN.EXE and SHARE_1.EXE > could link against?   F Yes, that would be possible, but I would prefer if a single main imageH contained all the standard services/routines that could be accessed. I'd= rather keep the number of shareable images to a minimum. (themM LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL would open a single file selected by a config option).    H Having a separate shareable image with all the utility routines is not a( showstopper, but I'd rather reduce it...  F What I am trying to do is allow for the user to write his own handlingN routines to process incoming data (fax images). There would be various modulesG available depending on what you want to do with received faxes (save as I multiple TIFF images, save as single multi-page TIFF, email file, save asu postscript and print etc).  G So the goal would be to allow the write of these services to access themL services that are available in the main image (for instance, to reverse bits in each byte etc).       loaded by lib$fispF > and that routine could do something like LIB$CALLG. (You're probably6 > already using lib$callg or MACRO in MAIN.EXE anyway) > 3 > How much control over MAIN and SHARE do you have?p >  > Regards Richard Maher  > . > In article <3A231F88.D26AD05C@videotron.ca>,2 >   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:D > > I have a main image that calls routines in an external shareable > image with( > > the LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL technique. > >  > > The question:  > > I > > Is it possible for a routine in the sharable image that is invoked by ? > > LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to call a routine in the main image ?  > > : > > Is it a case of linking the main image/share and usingE > > UNIVERSAL=main_routine_name to define the routines that are to bet
 > callable  > > from the external routine  ? > >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:44:50 -0600,) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> + Subject: Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL questions. Message-ID: <t27h3a1o2co8b@corp.supernews.com>  > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.canada> wrote in message& news:3A231F88.D26AD05C@videotron.ca...H > I have a main image that calls routines in an external shareable image with& > the LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL technique. >r > The question:  > G > Is it possible for a routine in the sharable image that is invoked byu= > LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to call a routine in the main image ?l >i8 > Is it a case of linking the main image/share and usingL > UNIVERSAL=main_routine_name to define the routines that are to be callable > from the external routine  ?  L I would recommend putting a routine in the external shareable image that theF main image can call.  Then use this routine to pass the address of theK routines in the main image that you would like the external shared image tof use.   -Johno wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:12:45 -0400 - From: "Stanley F. Quayle" <SQUAYLE@stanq.com> + Subject: Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL question_J Message-ID: <Pine.VMS.3.91-2.1001128100931.3938A-100000@killer.azbell.com>  , On Tue, 28 Nov 2000, John E. Malmberg wrote:I > > Is it possible for a routine in the sharable image that is invoked by!? > > LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to call a routine in the main image ?- >-F > I would recommend putting a routine in the external shareable image C > that the main image can call.  Then use this routine to pass the eD > address of the routines in the main image that you would like the  > external shared image to use._  C Let me second that notion.  Otherwise, you'll have to do something  H horrible like rebuild the RTL when you change the main program.  That's % not how RTL's are supposed to behave.)   --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 3 8572 North Spring Ct., Pickerington, OH  43147  USA ? Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com         http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:02:18 -0500)' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov> M Subject: Minor problem after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch VMS721_SYS-V0800r+ Message-ID: <3A23BAEA.41264F5B@y12.doe.gov>    Group,  L      Just to let you know, I have received a confirmation from Compaq that aM problem we encountered after applying Alpha VMS V7.2-1 patch VMS721_SYS-V0800rI on our Alpha 4100 system was caused by the patch.  We have a program thatlA calls SYS$GETJPI using the wildcard process id of -1 and the flagiN JPI$_M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP (among many other things, it is a very complex call). I The second call to the the SYS$GETJPI routine returns an error indicatinguG %SYSTEM-F-BADPARAM.  Compaq Support indicated that this problem will be_K corrected, but did not suggest a time frame for when it will be corrected.  M Their interim recommendation was to remove the JPI$_M_NO_TARGET_INSWAP.  That-L is not a viable workaround for our situation, but the problem is only on oneM of our development machines.  We will not apply the patch in production untili the error is resolved.  
 Dale A. Marcyl. Science Applications International Corporation   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 07:38:18 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)B Subject: Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS. Message-ID: <8vvnda$q6v$1@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <3A230E97.3084B1C8@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"r& <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:   G > Ideally, what you would want is a 100% MicroSoft-free desktop. That's E > entirely possible, but still a year or more away in all likelihood.t   I have one now....   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:29:30 +0010-% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au:B Subject: Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS5 Message-ID: <01JX32HP5JKI0074FR@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>t  B >In article <3A230E97.3084B1C8@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"' ><djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: t > H >> Ideally, what you would want is a 100% MicroSoft-free desktop. That'sF >> entirely possible, but still a year or more away in all likelihood. >o >I have one now....b  K Yep, I'm with yah, Phillip.  I've got three boxes on my desk: a VAXstation u, 4000/60, a 4000/VLC and a DECstation 3000.    N My zzz account comes directly to my VAX box where I read mail.  For corporate Q reasons I have an account on Outlook without the zzz (standard corporate style). sL But when I was given that I asked the corporate people to just set it up to 0 auto-forward to my VMS box.  I don't touch a PC.  L Since everyone and his secretary now sends even the simplest two liners via J word, I just delete them.  "If anyone has found Joe Bloggs spectacles ..."  M Important stuff they do send text and doc (why the two?).  Some of our field d& people still have only pathworks mail.  J I must admit I do enjoy looking at colleagues' screens when they get some O Gatesian message or idiotic spell/grammar checking message up.  The last one I tD saw, IIRC, Bill thought that "overseeing" should be correctly spelt # "oversawing", or something similar.    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,h
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiak   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,g; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.V   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:03:51 +0000 (UTC)o' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>5B Subject: Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <8vvot7$gl$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>   6 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: >> Sue Skonetski wrote: H >> Please note that the ? marks some how got added as the bullet markersC >> the products are not in question.  I think its a micros feature.v  G Yes, thats again, what is MicroSoft. Breaking all standards. Making its F own. Changing when it suits itself... And when "VMS community" doesn't< agree that we should compete, there's only one hope - LINUX.  G > Ideally, what you would want is a 100% MicroSoft-free desktop. That's>E > entirely possible, but still a year or more away in all likelihood.   D Well, we have that. Alphastations (too expensive), "Low cost Alphas"; (PC164, 164LX, Multia ...) (old and not much supported) ...I   regards            Osmo Kujalaf   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:10:09 +0100n% From: "Philip J. Lewis" <phl@bwsc.dk>TB Subject: Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS/ Message-ID: <6oMU5.58$Ow2.1557@news.get2net.dk>c   Hehehe,o  E You are alluding to the stealth marketing of Oracle, which constantlytG announces to the world all manner of things which exclude the OracleRdb 
 product set ?t  L I suspect OracleRdb IS supported on VMS ! :-), it is merely de-emphasised byF Oracle.  The Oracle corp in general is unaware of the Rdb product set,9 especially anything that comes from marketing or support.    cheers philip   Ebinger . Eric wrote in messages9 <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A624A@and02.drc.com>...t. It really would be nice if Oracle Rdb would be+ an officially supported product on OpenVMS.e0 It would also be rather pleasant if the Attunity2 Connect "On Platform" package included the drivers for RMS and Rdb.   Eric Ebinger Dynamics Research CorporationH     > -----Original Message-----< > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam]) > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 2:11 PMm > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com1@ > Subject: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS >  >  > Folks, >h5 > I thought you might be interested in the following.l >  > Sue-6 > ____________________________________________________ >- > Statement of Direction >        Oracle for Compaq >             Alpha OpenVMSz > November 2000  >e >e >  ORACLE'S COMMITMENT & > PLANS FOR OPENVMS 8 > Oracle and Compaq Computer Corporation have a long and > successful history of_< > delivering enterprise solutions to the OpenVMS marketplace > for more than 20: > years.  The OpenVMS port remains one of Oracle's top six > platforms, with a 7 > large and loyal customer base. Oracle is committed toi > providing continuedc9 > ports of its core database and Internet technologies toa > OpenVMS.  Oracle> > will be focusing on the faster product delivery time (within > 90 days of base1; > release)  and the unsurpassed product quality on OpenVMS.c >G > PRODUCT AVAILABILITY> > The following products are currently available in production > on Compaq Alphas
 > OpenVMS: >t$ > ? Oracle7 Version 7.3.4.4 with VLM$ > ? Oracle8 Version 8.0.5.1 with VLM" > ? Oracle8 Version 8.1.6 with VLM > ? Context Cartridge  > ? Spatial Data Cartridge > ? Image Data Cartridge > ? Parallel Query Optiona+ > ? Parallel Server Option with OpenVMS 7.2o > ? Distributed Database Optione > ? Advanced Networking Option > ? Advanced Replication Option3 > ? Partitioning Optiont > ? Object Optione > ? Pre-Compilersd >  - C/C++, COBOL, Fortran > ? Network- >            - TCP/IP2' > ? Oracle Developer/2000 Version 1.6.1e! > ? Oracle Application Server 3.0c$ > ? Oracle Applications Release 10.7& > ? Oracle Applications Release 11.0.3 >t >t >2 >a > Oracle Corporation > World Headquarters > 500 Oracle Parkway > Redwood Shores, CA 94065 > USAt >n > Worldwide Inquiries: > 415.506.7000 > Fax 415.506.7200 > http://www.oracle.com/ >i > PRODUCT DIRECTIONS= > The following Oracle products are planned on Alpha OpenVMS.u > Please check; > with your Oracle account representative for an up-to-datet > plan and schedule:= > ? Oracle 8i v8.1.6.2 (will be certified to run as a backendE > database for > Oracle Applications 11i)G > ? Oracle 8i v8.1.7 (with RMAN & Oracle HTTP Server powered by Apache)E
 > ? Oracle 9it8 > ? Oracle iAS (Standard Edition with Oracle Apache HTTP > Server, Oracle Portala< > Services, Oracle JVM, and Oracle Developers Kits including > Database, XML and  > LDAP.) > ? Oracle Forms/Reports Server  >t > SUPPORTED PLATFORMSd= > Oracle RDBMS Versions 7.3.4 and 8.0.5.1 have been certified0 > on OpenVMS 7.1< > and 7.2. Oracle RDBMS Version 8.1.6 has been  certified on > OpenVMS 7.2.? > Oracle will certify future versions of OpenVMS as they becomeD > available with1 > compatible versions of Oracle OpenVMS products.4 >c >,C > For more information, please send email to infodec@us.oracle.com.r >d >r >s >  >t >s >r >s >  >  >f > D > To offer our customers the most complete and effective information? > management solutions, Oracle Corporation offers its products,b > along with@ > support, education, and consulting, in more than 90 countries. >u? > This product is not yet generally available, and features ande > screen shots; > shown may not correspond exactly to the released product.f >nE > Oracle is a registered trademark, and Enabling the Information Age,fF > Oracle8i, Oracle8, and Oracle7 are trademarks of Oracle Corporation. >e< > All other company and product names mentioned are used for > identificationB > purposes only, and may be trademarks of their respective owners. > % > Copyright  Oracle Corporation 2000a > All Rights Reservede >p >s >e >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 06:24:40 -0500e0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>B Subject: Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMSD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001128062440.009fe6d0@discovery.fuentez.com>  & At 02:07 AM 11/28/2000 GMT, you wrote:3 >Malcolm Dunnett <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote:m= >>      It would also be rather nice if Oracle would market at@ >> "standard" version of Rdb along the same lines as they do for2 >> the Oracle8 product. As it stands at the moment= >> Rdb on boxes smaller than an ES40 is an order of magnitudeG> >> more expensive than Oracle standard edition on those boxes. >sF >You mean like Oracle does for UNIX and NT where you can aparently getH >basically a 'personal use' copy for something like $200?  If so it's my; >understanding that nothing like that is available for VMS.f > 0 >	Zane (who still would like a Hobbyist version)J Sad, but true! You can get FULL ORACLE DEVELOPMENT KITS for every platformI under the sun (no pun intended) from Oracle for $200/kit, but OVMS is NOT-J OFFERED! Just another example of how people assume that if you are runningK OVMS, you are ripe for the picking! If Compaq is serious  about a promoting-G a rebirth of OVMS they better talk to Larry Ellison and get this fixed.r   just my .02.   Regards,   JimL8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-u7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.e8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemsd Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235u Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com $        jhjennis@shentel.nety& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:19:40 -0500D/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>iB Subject: RE: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMSI Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB302@rlghncst625.usps.gov>   < 1.  Send them {Oracle} e-mail and add comments to any forms (     where such comments are solicited.    ; 2.  Include the fact that they do this for other operating i     systems and   ? 3.  Also mention the fact that other COTS vendors have already d=     "gotten with the program".   That's what I've been doing.a     WWWebb   -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 6:30 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETB Subject: RE: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS    & At 02:07 AM 11/28/2000 GMT, you wrote:3 >Malcolm Dunnett <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote:b= >>      It would also be rather nice if Oracle would market as@ >> "standard" version of Rdb along the same lines as they do for2 >> the Oracle8 product. As it stands at the moment= >> Rdb on boxes smaller than an ES40 is an order of magnituded> >> more expensive than Oracle standard edition on those boxes. >bF >You mean like Oracle does for UNIX and NT where you can aparently getH >basically a 'personal use' copy for something like $200?  If so it's my; >understanding that nothing like that is available for VMS.p >,4 >     Zane (who still would like a Hobbyist version)J Sad, but true! You can get FULL ORACLE DEVELOPMENT KITS for every platformI under the sun (no pun intended) from Oracle for $200/kit, but OVMS is NOTnJ OFFERED! Just another example of how people assume that if you are runningK OVMS, you are ripe for the picking! If Compaq is serious  about a promoting.G a rebirth of OVMS they better talk to Larry Ellison and get this fixed.h   just my .02a   Regards,   Jimt8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-d7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemsa Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAe  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702$ Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com        jhjennis@shentel.netI& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2000 06:21:34 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)cB Subject: Re: Oracle Statment of Direction for Compaq Alpha OpenVMS, Message-ID: <RTgxZQ92kip9@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  j In article <vrEU5.463$OC.145527@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes:  4 > Malcolm Dunnett <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote:= >>      It would also be rather nice if Oracle would market ao@ >> "standard" version of Rdb along the same lines as they do for2 >> the Oracle8 product. As it stands at the moment= >> Rdb on boxes smaller than an ES40 is an order of magnitudee> >> more expensive than Oracle standard edition on those boxes. > G > You mean like Oracle does for UNIX and NT where you can aparently getlI > basically a 'personal use' copy for something like $200?  If so it's myu< > understanding that nothing like that is available for VMS. >   =    I wasn't thinking of the Personal edition of Oracle 8, butnA rather the Standard edition. This is a full use version of Oraclea@ 8 with some of the fancier features ( such as table partitioning= and bitmap indices ) disabled. It's available only on "small"o@ platforms ( up to the ES40 on the Alpha ). The cost is something; like 15% of the cost of the Enterprise edition of Oracle 8.h1 (Enterprise Oracle 8 and Rdb are the same price).o  ?    I'd like to see Rdb sold on the same terms. I think a lot ofq@ folks have used Rdb over the years for fairly low-level databaseA needs ( becuse Digital used to bundle Rdb with VMS), and the cost 2 of Rdb now for those types of uses is prohibitive.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:38:32 +0100n From: manser@decus.de  Subject: passive mode on ucx* Message-ID: <009F3CF2.DF594D55.3@decus.de>  
 Hi vms folks,b  p i would like to know if there is a way to setup ftp passive mode under VMS (ucx or whatever), like in unix ftp ? thanks in advance.   nazim manser  - email nmanser@progis.de (full MIME compliant)t   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2000 19:53:10 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: passive mode on ucx* Message-ID: <3a23ff16$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  B In article <009F3CF2.DF594D55.3@decus.de>, manser@decus.de writes:K >i would like to know if there is a way to setup ftp passive mode under VMSQ& >(ucx or whatever), like in unix ftp ?   Yes, of course.   C In TCPware FTP client you could use "SET PASSIVE" and "QUOTE PASV",s0 in UCX and TCPIP you could only use "QUOTE PASV"  @ MGFTP and Multinet FTP will most likely have such commands, too.   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2000 10:10:51 +0100T From: pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40) Subject: Re: Plot graphs?l! Message-ID: <2qBjpTYtPCKw@gaelic>i  - In article <8vu97q$c0v@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, s4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:r > In article <kvjr1tct23sm7e6fgpap4jjvrpvd74to17@4ax.com>, Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> writes:D >>Is there any OpenVMS freeware to plot linear XY graphs, given someE >>reference figures? And it is running in text (non-GUI) commandline?_  ' > XMGR    (requires X11, mine was from: E >         ftp://ada.cenaath.cena.dgac.fr/decwindows/xmgr-3_01pl7.zip)v   The link is outdated.   * Try now http://decwarch.free.fr/image.html   Patrickr --O ===============================================================================-O pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)n4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:05:38 GMTv0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>  Subject: Re: Q22-bus programming7 Message-ID: <C4OU5.13705$IP1.458026@news1.giganews.com>l  & hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net> wrote: > Hoff,t* > Tim is going to be building an emulator.D > His 10 emulator is almost done. We are all dying to get our hands  > on it, and hack it.   G Yeah. my KS10 emulator is almost done and was able to run TOPS-10 v7.04 G without any problems execpt galaxy daemons that crash during boot time. G I am preparing for VAX emulator development soon.  I learned that both c( busses are compatible for programming...   -- Tim Stark   -- t, Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.orgJ --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:38:20 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>+ Subject: Re: Query on DCL and tape mountingt) Message-ID: <900g0r$p7a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>k  ) In article <8vv5n9$q4c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, -   Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> wrote:c0 > In article <3A223ECE.F555DDAC@flextech.co.uk>,1 >   Nick Lewis <nick_lewis@flextech.co.uk> wrote:lE > > I have a simple query regarding a tape backup,  hopefully someoner can 	 > > help.n > >l' > > The current backup runs as follows:y > >h > > Backup Job 1 > >  INITIALIZE TAPE > > BACKUP DISKS 0-2 > > SUBMIT BACKUP JOB 2y > > ENDz > >. > > Backup Job 2 > > BACKUP DISK 3  > > ENDe > >tF > > The problem is that when backup job 1 ends,  it dismounts the tapeE > > device thus preventing job 2 from running.  How can I prevent the  > ending> > > of the job dismounting the tape unit?  Also,  do I need to
 INITIALIZE >:> > Use MOUNT/NOUNLOAD before the BACKUP command in job 1 and/orA > DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD after the BACKUP commands in job 1. This willy preventeE > the tape from unloading, but job 2 will have to wait -- and it will F > wait -- for the rewind to complete, if it's started after job 1 runsF > the DISMOUNT/NOUNLOAD command. Make sure *not* to include /REWIND inH > your backup commands. This will allow adding new save sets to the tape$ > without overwriting the first one. >dB > [ Amazingly, several years ago, I did a more remarkable hand-offH > maneuver, including the changing of tapes, on a pdp11/70 running Unix.A > We were doing a multi-reel backup. When one of the intermediatei volumes D > rewound, we mounted a tape for a different backup, ran that backup from  A *** make that "...we loaded a tape for a different backup..." ***   E > a different terminal, rewound and removed the tape, put on the nextoH > tape for the first backup, and pressed return on the first terminal toH > continue that backup! I think VMS does not allow this for security and > volume integrity reasons. ]c > G > > the tape with any parameters which will allow the second job to usen > it?t+ > > Both jobs run under the SYSTEM account.  >cH > No. If SYSTEM wrote it, SYSTEM owns it and can append new save sets toG > it, unless, perhaps, if you go out of your way to set the protectionsiE > otherwise. But even then, VOLPRO priv lets you write to any volume.cH > Just make sure to *not* use /REWIND (the default is /NOREWIND) for theE > second and other subsequent save sets on that tape. Actually, sincet your5 > explicitly INIT the tape, don't use /REWIND at all.l >uG > > I will not get in to why the backup is split in such a way,  but itu > haso
 > > to be. >o
 > Why not? >l > -- > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman  &-)1 > w: afeldman@gfigroup.BorisYeltsinCooksCajun.coma7 > h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.comt >@( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >    -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)/ w: afeldman@gfigroup.BorisYeltsinCooksCajun.com 5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.comt    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy._   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:21:00 -0700p* From: Terry Aardema <taardema@nrcan.gc.ca>  Subject: Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS' Message-ID: <3A23CD5C.1E4D@nrcan.gc.ca>d   Chris Scheers wrote:  n? > How well does the StorageWorks Raid 310 system work with VMS?s  o- > What versions are required? (VAX and Alpha)t   D Very well, thank-you. I've had one in production here for over threeB years with no real problems (Hint: proactivily change the built-inH battery at a time of your choosing before it's 2 years old, or'll you'llG be replacing it "under-the-gun"!). Other than that, it should work fineuA with any version of VMS that can use SCSI disks (with the correctnF controller; I'm using a KZPSA with mine, but there are other supported
 controllers).d  
 Terry Aardemay Systems and Network ManagernB Natural Resources Canada/Canadian Forest Service/Northern Forestry Centre   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:16:17 +0100t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r# Subject: Re: System Service and RTL ) Message-ID: <3A2369D1.7A84B066@gtech.com>    Chris Scheers wrote: > Arne Vajhj wrote:G > > RTL routines uses system services. RTL routines are just a library.o
 > > SystemK > > services are integrated in the OS. RTL routines can only be called from K > > user mode. System services can be called from inner modes. RTL routinesiF > > supports all kinds of strings. System services supports only fixed > > length strings.0G > > RTL routines use simple arguments. System services uses item lists.c > >rF > > RTL routines are "high level" interfaces. System services are "low
 > > level" > > interfaces.2 > > L > > Actually your example with SYS$CREPRC and LIB$SPAWN are very good ! TheyK > > can do the same. But try code the same functionality. You find out thattJ > > LIB$SPAWN can be done in 5 lines, while SYS$CREPRC may take you 25-250J > > lines depending on what you want. You can ofcourse also do some thingsI > > with SYS$CREPRC that you can not do with LIB$SPAWN. It is the classicb > > simplicity versus features.r > F > Actually, the example of SYS$CREPRC and LIB$SPAWN is a very bad one! > D > For example, SYS$CREPRC can create a detached process.  (LIB$SPAWN > can't)   I wrote:  G # You can ofcourse also do some things with SYS$CREPRC that you can notS do with LIB$SPAWN   .I > LIB$SPAWN can copy your DCL context to the new process.  (SYS$CREPRC by F > itself can not do this.  Actually, there is no documented way (other% > than LIB$SPAWN) to do this at all.)    I wrote:  F # You find out that LIB$SPAWN can be done in 5 lines, while SYS$CREPRC6 # may take you 25-250 lines depending on what you want  H 250 lines are not enough for complete LIB$SPAWN emulation, but I can notH rigth away think of any specific LIB$SPAWN usage where 250 lines of code* can not achieve the desired functionality.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 02:48:29 -0600h/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>a# Subject: Re: System Service and RTLaO Message-ID: <75E9A3C45530A6C5.82A2CDE8A7824BD4.3D43C206161AD380@lp.airnews.net>t   JF Mezei wrote:i >  > Here is a question:  > L > Is it possible that the LIB$/RTL rely on the presence of a DCL.EXE commandP > interpreter whereas SYS$ don't make any assumption on what context the process > is running under ?  D Most of the RTL routines don't care whether the process has a CLI or? not, but a few do require DCL.  The ones that come to mind are:-   	LIB$DELETE_LOGICAL  	LIB$DELETE_SYMBOL 	LIB$DISABLE_CTRL  	LIB$DO_COMMANDi 	LIB$ENABLE_CTRL
 	LIB$PAUSE 	LIB$RUN_PROGRAM 	LIB$SET_LOGICAL 	LIB$SET_SYMBOLa
 	LIB$SPAWN  4 	(Pretty much any routine that can return LIB$_NOCLI 	should be in this list.)1   	All of the CLI$ routines.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------r$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com e   Fax: 817-237-3074i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 03:33:58 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>d# Subject: Re: System Service and RTLaO Message-ID: <9FF7E2E4569A09B5.E84268E7600AC6F2.887F6DB7A568D67B@lp.airnews.net>s   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Chris Scheers wrote: > > Arne Vajhj wrote:I > > > RTL routines uses system services. RTL routines are just a library.e > > > SystemM > > > services are integrated in the OS. RTL routines can only be called fromoM > > > user mode. System services can be called from inner modes. RTL routines H > > > supports all kinds of strings. System services supports only fixed > > > length strings.rI > > > RTL routines use simple arguments. System services uses item lists.h > > >eH > > > RTL routines are "high level" interfaces. System services are "low > > > level" > > > interfaces.- > > >-N > > > Actually your example with SYS$CREPRC and LIB$SPAWN are very good ! TheyM > > > can do the same. But try code the same functionality. You find out that-L > > > LIB$SPAWN can be done in 5 lines, while SYS$CREPRC may take you 25-250L > > > lines depending on what you want. You can ofcourse also do some thingsK > > > with SYS$CREPRC that you can not do with LIB$SPAWN. It is the classic0! > > > simplicity versus features.s > >yH > > Actually, the example of SYS$CREPRC and LIB$SPAWN is a very bad one! > >.F > > For example, SYS$CREPRC can create a detached process.  (LIB$SPAWN
 > > can't) > 
 > I wrote: > I > # You can ofcourse also do some things with SYS$CREPRC that you can noto > do with LIB$SPAWNe > K > > LIB$SPAWN can copy your DCL context to the new process.  (SYS$CREPRC byeH > > itself can not do this.  Actually, there is no documented way (other' > > than LIB$SPAWN) to do this at all.)  > 
 > I wrote: > H > # You find out that LIB$SPAWN can be done in 5 lines, while SYS$CREPRC8 > # may take you 25-250 lines depending on what you want > J > 250 lines are not enough for complete LIB$SPAWN emulation, but I can notJ > rigth away think of any specific LIB$SPAWN usage where 250 lines of code, > can not achieve the desired functionality.  @ LIB$SPAWN does things like copying the current process' symbols,B logicals, command table, key definitions, notification setting, ONF CONTROL settings, default directory, prompt string, etc.  This is done: by special communications between the parent and child DCLF interpreters.  This communication channel is not available to a normal SYS$CREPRC.s  H It would be possible to create an initialization command file that wouldG recreate most of the context and then feed that to SYS$CREPRC, but theneB it would be difficult to get the new DCL to read from the terminal
 correctly.  > I don't think that you can write a LIB$SPAWN replacement usingD SYS$CREPRC without using privileged code.  (LIB$SPAWN uses some SUPR mode code.)e  F I guess that is my other assumption: That the replacements are writtenB using unprivileged code.  That is true of 99% of the LIB RTL code.  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com s   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 08:32:34 +0000  From: Roy Omond <Roy@Omond.net> ' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections-) Message-ID: <3A236DA2.A799C431@Omond.net>m   Rob Young wrote:  ^ > In article <3A231986.59661430@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >-? > > Isn't Monica Lewinsky next in line for presidency ? :-) :-)c > >yO > > Seriously though,  your elections have shown the dangers of poor technologyW+ > > when combined with poor election rules.e > M >         Poor technology?  But the Canadians take a marker and mark a ballotjL >         and drop it in a box and all ballots are counted by hand.  SomehowN >         I don't view that as superior technology especially when we probably1 >         have to count 10 times as many ballots.e  + Oh dear, I know I'm going to regret this...g  H It's maybe not superior *technology*, but it most certainly does seem toJ be a superior *method*.  As to the 10 times issue, just put in 10 times asE many counters.  Why does everyone seem to forget the KISS principle ?a  H After all this fiasco, I'm now absolutely convinced that those countriesE using the manual method have got it right (my own included), and thatsB the USofA has got it completely wrong (technology for technology's sake).   Humbly,   	 Roy Omondn Blue Bubble Ltd.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:37:01 GMThL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections 8 Message-ID: <009F3C64.2B50B0CA@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  X In article <e2PL6w7$Nq22@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:% [once again, no VMS content.  Sorry.]h >m> >	Oh.  So I take it you admit either candidate could selective< >	pick and choose which counties to have a hand recount in?   K According to Florida law, that is apparently true.  Whether Florida law is tM constitutional is indeed a question before the courts.  And?  Again, the BushsK campaign declined to have a statewide hand recount that might have made theo& eventual victory seem more legitimate.  
 >       Of? >	course that is one of the questions before the courts.  SeemsS> >	regarding due process (14th amendment issue) the courts will= >	have to decide whether or not it is "right" or "correct" to0> >	pick and choose like that.  After all, the other voters thatA >	are overlooked in such matter have had "their rights violated."bD >	"Disenfranchised" and all that boo-hoo language that goes with it. >r, >	What other recounts?  None that I know of. >s >>>d >>>. >>>> iN >>>> Fourth-graders didn't have to use it after a printing error that affectedK >>>> something like half the ballots meant it didn't line up correctly in aeL >>>> Votomatic, after having studied a sample ballot that was in a differentE >>>> format.  Nor are fourth graders old and frail.  It was certainlyuM >>>> unfortunate that the poll attendants had been ordered not to help anyone M >>>> who had questions (because they wanted to people to vote and get out forP3 >>>> high throughput in a high-turnout election).  E >>>> s >>>U< >>>	And yet directions are clearly posted in polling places.; >>>	"Check your ballot, etc."  If they screw it up they cane- >>>	get another one and re-enter the booth.    >> -L >> Well, um, according to affidavits, no.  Poll workers refused to give themN >> new ballots, and in at least one case grabbed the ballot out of the voter's- >> hand and deposited it over their protests.  >> - >-- >	One counter-example does not a case make.  :  C Actually, it makes a pretty good case for the statement "there weresI irregularities in the Palm Beach polling", but I just meant that I'd onlyK6 seen one affidavit, although I've been told of others.   >       Just like Lieberman.E >	the other night interjected the term "violence" in this whole mess.4    I fail to understand this segue.  ? >	"Violence" is far from the issue.  Shoot, you and I both know E >	that if there had been violence anywhere it would have been smeerednG >	across FondaVision and MSNBC and the whole lot of them.  Just because H >	somebody swung on a cop somewhere we now have to deal with "violence."= >	Pleeezzz.  They are raising the rhetoric to bizarre levels.f        A Well, it's smeared all over the New York Times.  Does that count?=  C Dana Canedy and Dexter Filkins, A Wild Day in Miami, With an End to_F Recounting, and Democrats' Going to Court, New York Times, 23 November= 2000.  http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/23/politics/23DADE.html_  ? Dana Canedy and Dexter Filkins, Protest Influenced Miami-Dade's ; Decision to Stop Recount, New York Times, 24 November 2000.Y6 http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/24/politics/24MIAM.html  > And according to ABC News, the violent protest was fomented by" Republican-employed professionals.  3 Party Operatives Start "Spontaneous" Demonstrations=N http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/ELECTION_protests001124.html   >> M >>>       So now we pity theF >>>	old folks because they can't follow directions?  Maybe they should@ >>>	have Republican and Democratic operatives for us to vote forA >>>	us as surrogates if we are too challenged to get beyond a 4tha >>>	grade level? >>  # >> Was that proposal on the table? e >>   >dC >	No.  What's that got to do with it?  We have old folks that can'tn? >	punch through a ballot and clearly can't follow directions soa1 >	we get a surrogate and help them out next time.a >g  G Oh, so you're just making up unreasonable proposals?  What's the point?a  I Look, even if the Palm Beach voters were morons who couldn't read a clearrI ballot (which it wasn't) and too weak to punch through a ballot (which is-I not the case), they were entitled to their votes, and if they'd gotten toeC vote the way the wanted to, Gore would have won the popular vote ineF Florida.  When the margin is so small, it's appropriate to examine it 
 carefully.    P >> Gore was willing to recount all the counties in Florida and was restricted toQ >> a few by lack of Republican cooperation.  It's not his job to ask for recounts$: >> of Republican-held counties; it's the Republican's job. >  > C >	Cut and paste me out a fact that reflects that.  Show me where heFC >	attempted to have hand counts occur in Republican counties but hew> >	was denied by the local canvassing board(s).  I have watched@ >	and read tons of material regarding this in the last few weeksA >	and have yet to have heard that angle.  I took a few minutes toA< >	find something along those lines but came up dry.  Show me >	the money!  O Huh?  I claim that it's not his job to ask for recounts in Republican counties; J you claim you can't find a place where he asked for recounts in RepublicanK counties - except, of course, in his offer to Bush to request a recount of ,7 _all_ counties.  How does that contradict what I said? r    E >	Besides, the Republican's aren't interested in hand recounts.  TheycA >	don't have to pour through ballots interpreting voter intent asb> >	they were ahead and are still ahead at the end of the day.  @ >	We can spend a great deal of time going over this... we won't ? >	convince each other.  But one question you might want to ask bI >	yourself - as Al Gore drapes himself in the flag - is:  If Al Gore was  I >	so intersted in doing the "will of the people", how could the "will of oA >	the people" be such a select group of Southern Floridians that ,D >	represent 1/3 of the votes cast in all of Florida?  Or is he only E >	interested in a select group that could - with enough wrangling anda0 >	interpretation - get him what he really wants? >t  B The Republicans were ahead by less than the margin of error in theG tabulation. If the Republicans don't have anything to worry about, thentI they should support a statewide hand recount - the means that Bush signeda@ into law as the preferred method in disputed elections in Texas.  G However, I do finally agree with you that "We can spend a great deal oflH time going over this" and "we won't convince each other" since you don't% appear to be engaging with my points.Y  G I still think that VMS is a superior operating system and enjoy working  with it.   -- Alan   O =============================================================================== 0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056aM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210tO ===============================================================================i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 05:29:44 -0500n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections.+ Message-ID: <3A238912.BC30074@videotron.ca>e   Rob Young wrote:M >         Poor technology?  But the Canadians take a marker and mark a ballotaL >         and drop it in a box and all ballots are counted by hand.  SomehowN >         I don't view that as superior technology especially when we probably1 >         have to count 10 times as many ballots.   G The method is a tool to acheive a goal. In the case of canada, and manyaN countries, the old fashioned X on a ballot does the job very nicely because weL only mark a single X on a ballot with perhaps only 5-7 choices. (Hey I foundJ out there is a "Marijuana party" in Canada and they someone running in our electoral district !)   N For instance, the local voting are where I live ( a school) had 5 ballot boxesH for a total ponential of about 500 voters. 2 People per box to ensure noN voting and counting irregularities. Staff told me it takes about 30-60 minutesI to count the whole thing including the checks etc. I suspect that in more B densely populated areas, there might be more votes per ballot box.  L However, in the case of those disputed counties in the USA, the vote is moreJ complex since citizens are asked to select a whole bunch of people rangingI from the president of the country to who will get the job of sweeping the  public school floors.o  J The idea  is to find a method to capture votes that works for the task. InL Canada, we don't need much because our voting is simple. But in the USA, youN should have technology/methods that match the size/requirements of the job, or) simplify the job to match the technology.i  E Elections Canada has a PDF document containing a study by KPMG it has.J interesting comparisons about various international experiences (including0 that of Brazil - but no mention of kermit :-().   Q You can get that document at: http://www.elections.ca/loi/vot/votingprocess_e.pdfs  J Interestingly, it has a small section on electronic voting via Internet in Florida ! ! ! !w   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 12:16:41 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) ' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsh0 Message-ID: <9007n9$9dn$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  X In article <aotCh5+ss7LE@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:e >In article <8vu7uu$527r$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:A >  >>  N >> Of course, the margin of victory could still be within the margin of error. >> EL >> In my opinion, there will be no answer that will make anyone happy.  GoreK >> won the popular vote, even if the margin was slim.  But he will lose theaO >> election by a margin so small in a single state, where even Republicans mustIO >> admit that without technical problems in a few places, Bush would and shouldcO >  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^o >> have lost.    >  ^^^^^^^^^ > = >	Ummm.  No.  This isn't correct at all.  What is lost in allR> >	the noise at times is just what the hand counts involve.  Of@ >	the counties chosen, those are all heavily Democratic countiesH >	to hand count.  Gore initially proposed that because of "discrepenciesB >	, etc." they should be recounted.  What folks don't hear (unlessE >	you watch A LOT of this cruft and read A LOT of this cruft) is thatmA >	the error rate was just as high or higher in hevaily RepublicaneC >	counties (Jacksonville area for instance).  In the entire Florida0C >	election, there were an estimated 75000 undercounts (i.e. ballotsi? >	machines could not read) of those, 25000 were in the heavily  C >	Democratic counties that still leaves 50000 undercounts that willp= >	probably never get counted , the vast majority of those in o >	"Republican" counties. >  >	Spin it all you want.  L >r  F Come off it !! Gore proposed that a full hand recount of the whole of % Florida be carried out. Bush refused.L  G A full hand recount of Florida was the only way this could possibly be PM settled with a reasonable amount of certainty. It is Bush who disenfranchisedtA all those undercounted ballots in "Republican" counties not Gore.oI (If he wanted Bush could even now call for those undercounted votes to be-H counted. I doubt very much that the courts would disallow this (Even if H legally time limits for such action have passed) whilst allowing Gore to' have his undercounted ballots counted).   M The fact that there are so many undercounts in both Democratic and RepublicanyH Counties in Florida just shows that the Machine count cannot be trusted.    M Here in Britain it looks to me as though Gore is winning the public relationshM battle hands down. This may be partly down to the British traditional supportiJ for the underdog. However it is mostly down to the fact that his argumentsA sound logical and appear to accord with American legal precedent.r  4 Hand recounts are nothing new in American elections.K Checking of barely discernable dimples is nothing new ( CNN reported a casenO where the election came down to a Judge examining two such ballots under a high  powered microscope ).sO Bush apparently signed a law in his State which mandates both. So why should hel) have such problems with this in Florida ?-       >cG >	"Stole"... you mean attempting to steal?  If he was really interested E >	in seeing exactly what took place in the so called undercounts, he tB >	could have done us all a favor and insisted on a statewide hand G >	recount.  But he didn't.  He just somehow managed to pick and choose a >	to his own liking. >   O He asked Bush to agree to a statewide recount. I am sure if both candidates hadiN agreed then the courts (if it was even necessary to approach them) would have J concurred and this would probably now be over. After Bush refused this it N might have been possible for Gore to have gone to the courts and asked for it O anyway but unless there are legal precedents for a single candidate asking for  N and obtaining a statewide recount (rather than the ample legal precedents for H a "losing" candidate asking for recounts in areas where it might make a N difference to the election result) then I doubt there was much chance of this - being granted in the face of Bush opposition.P      >a >				Rob >-    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 12:25:25 +0000p8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>' Subject: RE: Technology of US elections$L Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FE3@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  I From what I've seen on TV with groups of people peering over each other's K shoulders to see where holes, chads, dimples, etc are on (un-)punched cardseH it's obvious that a manual recount of something which was intended to beK only machine readable will not produce an accurate count. Repeated handlingnE of cards will also alter the count as the state of the cards changes.t  K The only fair way to settle this debacle is to have a revote in Florida forLJ the two presidential candidates and using the good old ballot paper systemF with an "X" in the box for the chosen candidate followed by a good oldL proper manual count. This is something which could be organised and executedL within the constitutional parameters and, at least, the winner (if there canL be a winner from this mess) will have the democratic legitimacy, in Florida,  of having polled the most votes.  J It's hard to see how either the US or the rest of the democratic world can' be comfortable without such a solution.7   John  B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2000 08:36:41 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections + Message-ID: <UtoiscdKcr$Y@eisner.decus.org>l  \ In article <3A231986.59661430@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > M > Seriously though,  your elections have shown the dangers of poor technologyjL > when combined with poor election rules. Whomever is in charge of running aP > ballot (county, state, country, legislative or court) should have had PRIOR TOP > THE ELECTIONS, clear and written rules on how recounts should be done and what( > types of ballots/markings are accept.   D "clear and written rules" from politicians?  How will lawyers earn a living?o  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationc= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 14:05:36 GMT7 From: woodacre@scala.reading.sgi.com (Michael Woodacre)-' Subject: RE: Technology of US elections0. Message-ID: <900e3g$36i2p$1@fido.engr.sgi.com>   In article <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111FE3@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>, John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> writes:.L |> From what I've seen on TV with groups of people peering over each other'sN |> shoulders to see where holes, chads, dimples, etc are on (un-)punched cardsK |> it's obvious that a manual recount of something which was intended to beiN |> only machine readable will not produce an accurate count. Repeated handlingH |> of cards will also alter the count as the state of the cards changes. |> cN |> The only fair way to settle this debacle is to have a revote in Florida forM |> the two presidential candidates and using the good old ballot paper system I |> with an "X" in the box for the chosen candidate followed by a good oldaO |> proper manual count. This is something which could be organised and executedrO |> within the constitutional parameters and, at least, the winner (if there cantO |> be a winner from this mess) will have the democratic legitimacy, in Florida,a# |> of having polled the most votes.h |> oM |> It's hard to see how either the US or the rest of the democratic world cano* |> be comfortable without such a solution. |> i  P I'm sure all the US overseas election monitors feel like their out of a job now.N How can they be taken seriously when the US doesn't want to take a few days toM check all the votes that were cast. Neither candidate is going to get respectgO for 'winning' this election. Given that Florida is a statistical tie, shouldn'ttT the Florida electorial college votes be split between them? Wouldn't that be in lineO with the whole reason for having an electorial college to smooth out the voting)R power. Of course Bush wouldn't want that (or Gore if positions were reversed), butX it seems to give more respect to all the other 100M votes cast throughout the US insteadB of making the election come down to a bunch of dimples in Florida.   Cheers,  Mike   |> Johnh |> >E |> Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uktK |> Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UK-D |> Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax) |> o |>   |> m |> t   -- r    Michael S. Woodacre   UUCP: woodacre@sgi.com   j Phone: +44 1118 925 7846
 M/S: IGB-3110v Address    : 1530 Lakeside$              Arlington Business Park              Theale, Berkshire              Reading              RG7 4SB              United Kingdom    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:26:54 -0500 ) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>i' Subject: RE: Technology of US electionsaB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A624C@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----% > From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edueG > If they fight each other really hard, tie everything up in the courtstH > through December, foment a massive constitutional crisis AND the House@ > Republicans don't have the nerve (or votes) to put Bush in we  > could end up > with President Hastert.    My vote is on Strom Thurmond./       Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:19:36 -0500l' From: "Dale A. Marcy" <dqm@y12.doe.gov>c' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections + Message-ID: <3A23CD08.EDF68458@y12.doe.gov>M  M Sorry, but I have to respond to this as well.  The main point is that Al GorelK stands there whining that every vote must count.  But in reality he is onlyaM whining that every vote in counties that primarily voted for him must count. 2N He has purposely thrown out military votes.  He has shown no concern for votesJ in the rest of the state of Florida.  If he truly meant what he said aboutN every vote should count, he would have requested the entire state to determineL the true winner.  His offer to count the whole state was an empty offer madeL after the time to legally make such requests are over.  Obviously though, heK does not care about the law as he got the Florida Supreme court to re-writeaJ the law for election deadlines which has gotten us into the mess now whereL there is not enough time to contest the election as there would have been ifM they had stuck to the original law in Florida.  The Democrat response is thatwK Bush should have requested the other counties, but Bush has as a policy notoI requested recounts in any state or any county in this election.  They areu? trying to make him change his stance to justify their position.    Dale  * Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote: > Z > In article <e2PL6w7$Nq22@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes:' > [once again, no VMS content.  Sorry.]  > >oF > >       Oh.  So I take it you admit either candidate could selectiveC > >       pick and choose which counties to have a hand recount in?  > L > According to Florida law, that is apparently true.  Whether Florida law isO > constitutional is indeed a question before the courts.  And?  Again, the BushdM > campaign declined to have a statewide hand recount that might have made theh( > eventual victory seem more legitimate. >  > >       OfG > >       course that is one of the questions before the courts.  SeemsiF > >       regarding due process (14th amendment issue) the courts willE > >       have to decide whether or not it is "right" or "correct" tonF > >       pick and choose like that.  After all, the other voters thatI > >       are overlooked in such matter have had "their rights violated."iL > >       "Disenfranchised" and all that boo-hoo language that goes with it. > >o4 > >       What other recounts?  None that I know of. > >r > >>>  > >>>  > >>>>P > >>>> Fourth-graders didn't have to use it after a printing error that affectedM > >>>> something like half the ballots meant it didn't line up correctly in a N > >>>> Votomatic, after having studied a sample ballot that was in a differentG > >>>> format.  Nor are fourth graders old and frail.  It was certainly	O > >>>> unfortunate that the poll attendants had been ordered not to help anyone O > >>>> who had questions (because they wanted to people to vote and get out foro3 > >>>> high throughput in a high-turnout election).e > >>>> > >>>mB > >>>     And yet directions are clearly posted in polling places.A > >>>     "Check your ballot, etc."  If they screw it up they canh1 > >>>     get another one and re-enter the booth.p > >>N > >> Well, um, according to affidavits, no.  Poll workers refused to give themP > >> new ballots, and in at least one case grabbed the ballot out of the voter's/ > >> hand and deposited it over their protests.  > >> > >w3 > >       One counter-example does not a case make.t > E > Actually, it makes a pretty good case for the statement "there wereaK > irregularities in the Palm Beach polling", but I just meant that I'd only=8 > seen one affidavit, although I've been told of others. >  > >       Just like LiebermanAM > >       the other night interjected the term "violence" in this whole mess.  > " > I fail to understand this segue. > G > >       "Violence" is far from the issue.  Shoot, you and I both know=M > >       that if there had been violence anywhere it would have been smeered-O > >       across FondaVision and MSNBC and the whole lot of them.  Just becausepP > >       somebody swung on a cop somewhere we now have to deal with "violence."E > >       Pleeezzz.  They are raising the rhetoric to bizarre levels.g > C > Well, it's smeared all over the New York Times.  Does that count?p > E > Dana Canedy and Dexter Filkins, A Wild Day in Miami, With an End to'H > Recounting, and Democrats' Going to Court, New York Times, 23 November? > 2000.  http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/23/politics/23DADE.htmlt > A > Dana Canedy and Dexter Filkins, Protest Influenced Miami-Dade'sf= > Decision to Stop Recount, New York Times, 24 November 2000.y8 > http://www.nytimes.com/2000/11/24/politics/24MIAM.html > @ > And according to ABC News, the violent protest was fomented by$ > Republican-employed professionals. > 5 > Party Operatives Start "Spontaneous" Demonstrations P > http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/ELECTION_protests001124.html >  > >> > >>>       So now we pity theL > >>>     old folks because they can't follow directions?  Maybe they shouldF > >>>     have Republican and Democratic operatives for us to vote forG > >>>     us as surrogates if we are too challenged to get beyond a 4tha > >>>     grade level? > >>$ > >> Was that proposal on the table? > >> > >eK > >       No.  What's that got to do with it?  We have old folks that can't G > >       punch through a ballot and clearly can't follow directions sos9 > >       we get a surrogate and help them out next time.o > >o > I > Oh, so you're just making up unreasonable proposals?  What's the point?  > K > Look, even if the Palm Beach voters were morons who couldn't read a cleartK > ballot (which it wasn't) and too weak to punch through a ballot (which issK > not the case), they were entitled to their votes, and if they'd gotten tobE > vote the way the wanted to, Gore would have won the popular vote innG > Florida.  When the margin is so small, it's appropriate to examine ite > carefully. > R > >> Gore was willing to recount all the counties in Florida and was restricted toS > >> a few by lack of Republican cooperation.  It's not his job to ask for recounts0< > >> of Republican-held counties; it's the Republican's job. > >R > >cK > >       Cut and paste me out a fact that reflects that.  Show me where he K > >       attempted to have hand counts occur in Republican counties but henF > >       was denied by the local canvassing board(s).  I have watchedH > >       and read tons of material regarding this in the last few weeksI > >       and have yet to have heard that angle.  I took a few minutes tooD > >       find something along those lines but came up dry.  Show me > >       the money! > Q > Huh?  I claim that it's not his job to ask for recounts in Republican counties;iL > you claim you can't find a place where he asked for recounts in RepublicanL > counties - except, of course, in his offer to Bush to request a recount of8 > _all_ counties.  How does that contradict what I said? > M > >       Besides, the Republican's aren't interested in hand recounts.  They I > >       don't have to pour through ballots interpreting voter intent asfD > >       they were ahead and are still ahead at the end of the day.G > >       We can spend a great deal of time going over this... we won't	F > >       convince each other.  But one question you might want to askP > >       yourself - as Al Gore drapes himself in the flag - is:  If Al Gore wasP > >       so intersted in doing the "will of the people", how could the "will ofH > >       the people" be such a select group of Southern Floridians thatK > >       represent 1/3 of the votes cast in all of Florida?  Or is he only0M > >       interested in a select group that could - with enough wrangling andt8 > >       interpretation - get him what he really wants? > >o > D > The Republicans were ahead by less than the margin of error in theI > tabulation. If the Republicans don't have anything to worry about, then K > they should support a statewide hand recount - the means that Bush signedtB > into law as the preferred method in disputed elections in Texas. > I > However, I do finally agree with you that "We can spend a great deal ofsJ > time going over this" and "we won't convince each other" since you don't' > appear to be engaging with my points.n > I > I still think that VMS is a superior operating system and enjoy workingi
 > with it. > 	 > -- Alana > Q > ===============================================================================t2 >  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUO >  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056bO >  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210iQ > ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 10:47:15 -0500a) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>d' Subject: RE: Technology of US electionsrB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A624E@and02.drc.com>   > -----Original Message-----A > From: John Macallister [mailto:J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk]x* > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:25 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr) > Subject: RE: Technology of US electionst >  > ? > From what I've seen on TV with groups of people peering over   > each other's; > shoulders to see where holes, chads, dimples, etc are on e > (un-)punched cards< > it's obvious that a manual recount of something which was  > intended to be< > only machine readable will not produce an accurate count.  > Repeated handlingoG > of cards will also alter the count as the state of the cards changes.  > ? > The only fair way to settle this debacle is to have a revote g > in Florida for@ > the two presidential candidates and using the good old ballot  > paper systemH > with an "X" in the box for the chosen candidate followed by a good old8 > proper manual count. This is something which could be  > organised and executed: > within the constitutional parameters and, at least, the  > winner (if there can7 > be a winner from this mess) will have the democratic l > legitimacy, in Florida, " > of having polled the most votes. > 8 > It's hard to see how either the US or the rest of the  > democratic world can) > be comfortable without such a solution.n >     ! How about because it's illegal?     0 Besides which it is totally unnecessary.  In the6 United States of America the election of the President2 is done by the States, not by the people (which is3 why the United States is technically a Republic andf5 not a Democracy).  The simplest and cleanest solution95 is to call the Florida state legislature together ands/ have them decide who should receive the Florida  electoral votes.       Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2000 11:40:43 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsp+ Message-ID: <hiskGrmDdyVU@eisner.decus.org>    In article <009F3C64.2B50B0CA@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:l   > K >>      Besides, the Republican's aren't interested in hand recounts.  TheytG >>      don't have to pour through ballots interpreting voter intent asdD >>      they were ahead and are still ahead at the end of the day.  F >>      We can spend a great deal of time going over this... we won't E >>      convince each other.  But one question you might want to ask gO >>      yourself - as Al Gore drapes himself in the flag - is:  If Al Gore was tO >>      so intersted in doing the "will of the people", how could the "will of  G >>      the people" be such a select group of Southern Floridians that hJ >>      represent 1/3 of the votes cast in all of Florida?  Or is he only K >>      interested in a select group that could - with enough wrangling andx6 >>      interpretation - get him what he really wants? >> > D > The Republicans were ahead by less than the margin of error in theI > tabulation. If the Republicans don't have anything to worry about, then K > they should support a statewide hand recount - the means that Bush signedrB > into law as the preferred method in disputed elections in Texas. >   N         But they aren't the ones that need to recount!  We are risking getting7         circular here but a point to consider might be:   H                 o  Given 1/3 (less actually) of heavily Democratic areasG                    are being considered in repeated recounts it then ismJ                    arguably disingenuous to claim "the will of the people"!                    as the motive.-  M         If the "will of the people" was truly at issue , from the very outset J         a much higher number of counties would have been selected for handL         recounts.  But they weren't.  Gore and his folks aren't stupid.  ButJ         to foist "will of the people" on us to me is very annoying when itI         is very clear we are looking at a select fraction of the votes inc<         the state with clear intent to massage the election.  B         But yesterday's Chicago Tribune sums it up better than me:  P http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/article/0,2669,SAV-0011270132,FF.html  O Gore's efforts thus far have been neither effective nor persuasive. He lost the K vote election night, and he lost the subsequent machine recount mandated by-J Florida law when a margin is so tight. When he couldn't win with votes, heN tried to win by invoking "the will of the people" and requesting hand recountsK in friendly counties. Will-of-the-people turns out to be code for embracingaH technicalities when they serve his needs (as with his success in gettingM Broward County to use a liberal rule for counting indentations as votes), but O ridiculing technicalities when they do not (as with his successful challenge tooN a Florida law that requires hand recounts to be completed within seven days of
 an election).u  O And yet these legal maneuvers didn't produce the votes he expected. Rather thanaO accept the failure of his strategy, he is launching, yes, more legal maneuvers.a  G         As the Tribune article points out.... "someone desperate to winh/         at all costs."  Scorched earth and all.o    I > However, I do finally agree with you that "We can spend a great deal ofeJ > time going over this" and "we won't convince each other" since you don't' > appear to be engaging with my points.a  E         To your satisfaction.  You have yet to counter a single issuesO         I raised to my satisfaction.  The New York Times stuff to substantiate iK         a charge of "violence" isn't even close.  Again, if there had been  H         true "violence" involved cameras would have captured some of it M         and it would have been spread across the network news.  If there had tM         been true violence involved here, we would have seen somebody with a lO         knot on their head whining to the morning news shows.  Not a single cut J         lip or black eye on Network television.  Nameless, faceless peopleD         that were "kicked and punched."   It's all about Democratic E         rhetoric and today's polls clearly show the rhetoric is going3"         nowhere for the Democrats.    I > I still think that VMS is a superior operating system and enjoy workingc
 > with it.  '         Sure.. run with the Best - VMS!+  %                                   Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:29:56 +0200l/ From: "Oleksii Krykun" <krikun@academy.kiev.ua>R Subject: Re: UCX question O Message-ID: <1037270357C4D411A1C900A0C9D4BFCBC3CC@hqnts40div01.academy.kiev.ua>0  C <jkim@dpc.com> wrote in message news:3A234338.48E5C467@yahoo.com... G > I am unfamiliar with VMS and guyshy about manking changes for fear of0H > messing things up beyond recognition.  That said, I need to change theA > default gateway on our DEC Alpha system.  Can someone help out?   ? $ UCX SET ROUTE /DEFAULT /GATEWAY=<gateway_computer> /PERMANENT  >s > TIAt > jean   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 11:42:49 GMTl= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r Subject: Re: UCX question 0 Message-ID: <009F3C8E.E3A60EA9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  > In article <3A234338.48E5C467@yahoo.com>, jkim@dpc.com writes:F >I am unfamiliar with VMS and guyshy about manking changes for fear of2                               ^^^^^^       ^^^^^^^  < Gee Jean, I hope these were typos and not freudian slips. :)  G >messing things up beyond recognition.  That said, I need to change thee@ >default gateway on our DEC Alpha system.  Can someone help out?     If you're using UCX, issue:a   $ UCX  UCX> SET NOROUTE/DEFAULT" UCX> SET NOROUTE/DEFAULT/PERMANENT, UCX> SET ROUTE/DEFAULT/GATEWAY=<##.##.##.##>6 UCX> SET ROUTE/DEFAULT/GATEWAY=<##.##.##.##>/PERMANENT   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             aO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:53:57 +0000a) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie>g$ Subject: VMS and NT integration?????L Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB011D0F@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>  E Is there a simple way to maintain a VMS box, via an NT machine on thew same network?????	   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:34:49 GMTo- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>n( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????( Message-ID: <3A23ECB7.925502CF@ohio.edu>  B Telnet using Kermit-95, not the bogus terminal emulator that comesF with.  Yes, I know that isn't what you had in mind, but I really think it is the answer.n  #                                 RDP      Ray Phelan wrote:   G > Is there a simple way to maintain a VMS box, via an NT machine on then > same network?????e   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2000 13:00:11 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????+ Message-ID: <OEH0PzGf9hYD@eisner.decus.org>o  B If you want to be able to fully maintain VMS from another machine,@ you will need access to the console prompt, such as via an RS232? connection, direct from your NT machine or via reverse-LAT to an5 terminal server.  Terminal servers are cheap on eBay.h  C As for terminal emulators -- there are many fine terminal emulators 8 available for Windows.  None of them are from Microsoft.    X In article <3A23ECB7.925502CF@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:D > Telnet using Kermit-95, not the bogus terminal emulator that comesH > with.  Yes, I know that isn't what you had in mind, but I really think > it is the answer.l > % >                                 RDPa >  >  > Ray Phelan wrote:n > H >> Is there a simple way to maintain a VMS box, via an NT machine on the >> same network????? >  > --D > ==================================================================D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University >  >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.665 ************************