1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 29 Nov 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 666       Contents:- Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation 1 Re: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation  Batch reports and print queues" RE: Batch reports and print queues" Re: Batch reports and print queues7 Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye) + Call the Whitehouse for Oracle/VMS Support! 0 Re: Freeware Problems (was Re: You Are So Right)' Re: generate a shareble image with DECC   Re: Gigabit Ethernet and Alpha's! Ingres dies during network outage " Installing a second DEQSA ethernet- Re: KZPAC 3-port RAID Controller - soft error " Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL question MMS clean up utilities More VMS, BSD, and FORTRAN RE: More VMS, BSD, and FORTRAN Re: More VMS, BSD, and FORTRAN Re: Mozilla M18 i005= New Encompass Survey... PLease Take 10 Minutes to Fill It Out  OpenVMS DHCP Client? OpenVMS TP Requirements < Re: OpenVMS TP Requirements (was: The Truth is Marching On!) Orb Drive Update Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS  Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS  Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS  Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS  Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections Re: Technology of US elections% Re: VAX/VMS DEC Phigs to Alpha Open3D  Re: VMS "froze"  Re: VMS "froze"  Re: VMS and NT integration?????  Re: VMS and NT integration?????  Re: VMS and NT integration?????  VMS System Backup  Re: VMS System Backup  Re: VMS System Backup  Re: VMS System Backup ) Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs? ) Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:01:15 +0100 . From: "Marc Van Dyck" <marc.vandyck@skynet.be>6 Subject: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation* Message-ID: <901dff$afr$1@news1.skynet.be>  
 Hello All,  G After two months of struggle to perform my job with a PC and a X window 	 emulator, J I have now received a SUN ULTRA-5 station to access the VMS systems that IJ work on. I'm no Unix fan, and curiosity aside, have no intention to becomeH one. Therefore my intentions are to use this workstation as an expensive$ X-window terminal, and nothing more.  K  So, I start one terminal window on the SUN, and from in there, I type  the H magic command " RSH <host name> 'MCR DECW$SESSION' ". On the VMS host, IJ have of course set a communication proxy to allow access to my VMS accountK from the Unix box, and I have put the appropriate SET DISPLAY command in my J login.com. Et voila, a good old session manager menu bar (no 'new desktop'I fancy affair) appears on the Unix screen, and from there, I may start any , other X application I want. So far, so good.  K Now the problem : I have a 20 years history with OpenVMS, and from the last H 10 years at least, I have used the keypad everywhere I could : DCL, LSE,J TPU, MAIL, NOTES, DEBUG, SYSMAN... And now, imagine : from that bloody SUNI station, the keypad DOES NOT WORK !!! The keys 8,6,4,2 act as arrows, and J all other keys are just dead. For me, it makes that SUN box as useful as aL ashtray. The problem is not on the VMS site - my keypad works just fine if IB log in to the same account from a VXT. It must be on the SUN side.  J So, the question : does anyone know the right shell incantation, the rightL file (X resource ?) to modify, to make that keypad usable ? I have some UnixK experts available on site, so if a solution is suggested, I imagine they'll ' be able to understand and implement it.   G Many many many thanks in advance from a poor old VMS lover lost in Unix  land,   
 Marc Van Dyck  System Manager Banksys, Belgium.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:16:16 +0100 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender): Subject: Re: Accessing a VMS system from a SUN workstation; Message-ID: <3a248310.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>   - Marc Van Dyck (marc.vandyck@skynet.be) wrote: L : So, the question : does anyone know the right shell incantation, the rightN : file (X resource ?) to modify, to make that keypad usable ? I have some UnixM : experts available on site, so if a solution is suggested, I imagine they'll ) : be able to understand and implement it.    Hope this helps,   Martin   (who uses eXceed)    [-- snip --] From: oberman@icaen.llnl.gov Newsgroups: vmsnet.tpu4 Subject: RE: Wanted: EDT/TPU keypad bindings for SUN! Date: Thu, 11 May 95 19:03:29 GMT 4 Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory+ Message-ID: <3otjg6$rf@lll-winken.llnl.gov>   : larsen@beethoven.sedd.trw.com (Eric Hadley Larsen) writes:J > I have a Sun Sparc on my desktop.  I often remotely create a DECterm on L > my VAX/VMS machine and route the display back to by sun.  This works greatI > until I try to edit a file.  I cannot seem to figure out to get the EDT 4 > style keypad to map correctly for my SUN keyboard.  E This can get VERY complex. But I can give you a start. Use xmodmap to $ remap your keys to do what you want.  H You don't say what type of Sun keyboard you have. I have the Type 4 thatG lacks any cursor keys except on the application keypad, so I think it's  about the worst case.   8 Here is the file I pass to xmodmap in my .xsession file:   keycode 101=KP_0 keycode 119=KP_1 keycode 120=KP_2 keycode 121=KP_3 keycode 98=KP_4  keycode 99=KP_5  keycode 100=KP_6 keycode 75=KP_7  keycode 76=KP_8  keycode 77=KP_9  keycode 28=KP_F1 keycode 29=KP_F2 keycode 30=KP_F3 keycode 57=KP_Decimal  keycode 52=Prior keycode 53=Next  keycode 54=Find  keycode 105=KP_F4  keycode 78=KP_Subtract keycode 8=Left keycode 10=Right
 keycode 32=Up  keycode 33=Down  keycode 132=KP_Separator keycode 58=Menu  keycode 97=KP_Enter   D This maps the applications keypad to do the "normal things, with theD extra keys in the second row from the top mapped to prior, next, andG find. The top 4 "L" keys are mapped to left, right, up, and down. L6 is 
 the "DO" key.   H In addition, there are odd Motif related problems with several keys that6 may be taken care of with an X resource in .Xdefaults:   *defaultVirtualBindings:\ 3  osfCancel      :               <Key>F11        \n\ 3  osfLeft        :               <Key>Left       \n\ 3  osfUp          :               <Key>Up         \n\ 3  osfRight       :               <Key>Right      \n\ 3  osfDown        :               <Key>Down       \n\ 3  osfEndLine     :Alt            <Key>Right      \n\ 3  osfBeginLine   :Alt            <Key>Left       \n\ 3  osfPageUp      :               <Key>Prior      \n\ 3  osfPageDown    :               <Key>Next       \n\ 3  osfDelete      :Shift          <Key>Delete     \n\ 3  osfUndo        :Alt            <Key>Delete     \n\ 3  osfBackSpace   :               <Key>Delete     \n\ 3  osfAddMode     :Shift          <Key>F8         \n\ 3  osfHelp        :               <Key>Help       \n\ 3  osfMenu        :               <Key>F4         \n\ 3  osfMenuBar     :               <Key>F10        \n\ 3  osfSelect      :               <Key>Select     \n\ 3  osfActivate    :               <Key>KP_Enter   \n\ 3  osfCopy        :Shift          <Key>DRemove    \n\ 3  osfCut         :               <Key>DRemove    \n\ +  osfPaste       :               <Key>Insert   G Note that this must be EXACTLY right or nothing will work, so you might  want to cut and paste it.   D now if I could jsut come up with a Type 5 keyboard I could eliminateG most of this and go faster because I'd have the keys where they belong.    R. Kevin Oberman			  Energy Sciences Network (ESnet) 5 National Energy Research Supercomputer Center (NERSC) - Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) , Internet: koberman@llnl.gov		+1 510-422-6955   --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:20:03 -0000 / From: "Paul Oswald" <paul.oswald-73@virgin.net> ' Subject: Batch reports and print queues B Message-ID: <z2YU5.19215$vA4.358849@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>  I Sorry to post this problem, but I am relatively new to system support and 5 most of my department are off with flu at the moment!   L My problem is that I have to submit a command file to a batch queue to run aK report on a nightly basis and print to a specific print queue. The thing is H even though this works fine when I run it interactively, when it runs in< batch, it ignores the print queue and prints somewhere else.  K I would be grateful for any suggestions to point me in the right direction.    Cheers,    Paul   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:59:14 -0500 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> + Subject: RE: Batch reports and print queues D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD8DD@berry.mvpsi.com>  @ Without seeing the command procedure all anyone can do is guess.  G My guess is that the logical name SYS$PRINT points to the desired print G queue when you are logged on interactively but it points to a different F queue when running as a batch job.  If there's a PRINT command in yourH command procedure, try adding /QUEUE=the-right-queue to the command.  If1 there isn't a PRINT command, try adding the line:   " $ DEFINE SYS$PRINT the-right-queue  * to the beginning of the command procedure.   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: Paul Oswald [mailto:paul.oswald-73@virgin.net]* > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 7:20 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ) > Subject: Batch reports and print queues  >  > @ > Sorry to post this problem, but I am relatively new to system 
 > support and 7 > most of my department are off with flu at the moment!  > @ > My problem is that I have to submit a command file to a batch  > queue to run a: > report on a nightly basis and print to a specific print  > queue. The thing is @ > even though this works fine when I run it interactively, when  > it runs in> > batch, it ignores the print queue and prints somewhere else. > = > I would be grateful for any suggestions to point me in the   > right direction. > 	 > Cheers,  >  > Paul >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 02:57:00 GMT ( From: Chris Csernica <csernica@ihwy.com>+ Subject: Re: Batch reports and print queues ) Message-ID: <901r9p$v87$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   B In article <z2YU5.19215$vA4.358849@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com>,2   "Paul Oswald" <paul.oswald-73@virgin.net> wrote:  H > My problem is that I have to submit a command file to a batch queue to run a D > report on a nightly basis and print to a specific print queue. The thing isG > even though this works fine when I run it interactively, when it runs  in> > batch, it ignores the print queue and prints somewhere else.  C The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the queue name you're C using is really a logical that's only defined during an interactive  login.  H Also, are you on a cluster?  If so, check to make sure which machine theD queue you submit the batch job to is on the machine you think it is.D The environment on the target machine may be different than what you expect.    -- Chris Csernica     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:34:41 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)@ Subject: Re: Bison, DEC C and alloca() function (OpenVMS newbye)6 Message-ID: <9018dh$j91$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In article <3A229998.CA9FFC60@fr.ibm.com>, FAYN <fayn.b@fr.ibm.com> writes: G :When I compile a C source, generated by bison, with the DEC C compiler E :I've a warning (and finally an unresolved symbol) about the alloca() I :function (see NOTES above). The prototype of this function is defined in 8 :the file bison.simple for some systems but not for VMS.G :Apparently this function is a GNU gcc runtime function so I decided to . :install VMS/GNU gcc 2.7.1 (see NOTES above).   I   If this is a hobbyist system, get the Compaq C compiler license and kit J   that are part of the hobbyist program.  If this is a commercial system, F   seriously consider purchasing a Compaq C compiler license and kit...   LUnfortunately I'm unabledD :to run it on OpenVMS Alpha 7.2, I've the following error messages : : ? :%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image GNU_CC:[000000]GCC.EXE  :-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file 6 :NZE01$DKA100:[USERS.PTBF.SRC.GCC-VMS-2_7_1.GCC.][0000
 :00]GCC.EXE;1 9 :-IMGACT-F-NOTNATIVE, image is not an OpenVMS Alpha image      Probably a VAX image...    :So my questions are : : J :  - is there an implementation of the alloca() function in DEC C runtime?  J   The common (but not standard) alloca is not so much a run-time function I   as a compiler function, and it would be a rather evil function to have  I   to implement within an RTL call -- a called routine would have to mess  G   with the stack of the calling routine.  This sequence is really ugly.   /   The Compaq C compiler has an alloca built-in:   F http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5492p029.htm#vax_alloca_secB http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/5492p025.htm#alloca_sec  F   Rather than depending on the RTL, see if the folks working on GNU C A   have provided a similar built-in.  Fixed-length allocations are    obviously easy.     A   Variable length stack allocations that can't be handled via an  G   overly-large fixed stack allocation or a malloc or (my own favorite)  G   via a flushable lib$get_vm_zone call -- flush the whole VM zone when  H   done with it -- would likely require some sort of compiler assistance.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 15:05:06 -0500 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>4 Subject: Call the Whitehouse for Oracle/VMS Support!D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001128150506.00903bb0@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi VMS Colleagues...  K With the recent flurry of OT postings on the US election process as well as G ON TOPIC postings regarding Oracle support for OVMS...I couldn't resist  posting this article.     L http://computerworld.com/cwi/story/0%2C1199%2CNAV47_STO54471_NLTam%2C00.html  J Seems Clinton's press secretary is going to work for Larry Ellison! Now weK can send Oracle/VMS questions directly to the Whitehouse and get absolutely & the best spin possible for a response!   :-)    Regards,   Jim 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com          jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Nov 2000 00:23:32 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)9 Subject: Re: Freeware Problems (was Re: You Are So Right) 6 Message-ID: <901ia4$kpg$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <3A230728.12905AED@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  :Hoff Hoffman wrote: ..N :>   If these are problems with the source files on the OpenVMS Freeware, thenK :>   if I and/or the author of the Freeware package do not receive specific L :>   reports of specific problems with specific freeware (or the reports areN :>   only made in passing in threads here in a newsgroup), then the generationL :>   of a fix or an update or a correction for the problem will be unlikely. :>   :>   Details, please?  :  :Try this for openers: : ( :ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/VMS/LD062.TXT? :(Alternate link: http://www.djesys.com/freeware/vms/ld062.txt)   =   Off-hand, I do not know who "owns" the directories over in:   "     ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/VMS/  
   I'll check.   I   I've previously corrected the versions at the OpenVMS Freeware website.nG   (As part of a related discussion, I've downloaded new InfoZIP images  $   for the next Freeware, as well.)    7   I'll check on an update to LD V6.2 while I'm at it...e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Nov 2000 00:41:31 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: generate a shareble image with DECC6 Message-ID: <901jbr$ks9$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  j In article <Oozvf8elmJpy-pn2-1zUxCVNcTXwh@Tom2>, Thomas.Hahnemann@nospam_s-t.de (Thomas Hahnemann) writes:     In no particular order...e  -   I'd use a symbol prefix on all externals...e  ?   Based on your earlier posting, you wanted a shareable image. RA   What are you up to with the constants (or values)?  Can you usen@   standard calls and pointers to retrieve the information?  Some$   details on the particular problem?  B   Based shareable images can be evil, and should be used only with4   great care and full knowledge of the implications.  D   If this was for OpenVMS Alpha (it is not, per earlier discussion),2   I'd suggest a look at Ask The Wizard topic 2486.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:28:38 -0500t* From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com>) Subject: Re: Gigabit Ethernet and Alpha'sd, Message-ID: <901bsj$6g1j$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  3 "Rudolf Wingert" <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in message-0 news:200011280714.IAA10880@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >aA > I have installed a Gigabit Ethernet adpater (DEGPA) into a DS20r AlphaServer.J > The adpater will be seen with the SHOW CONFIGURATION command, but not as	 > device.   I There is no support in the Alpha SRM console for booting from the GigabitrH ethernet adapters.  The Gigabit adapter requires a large chuck of deviceE microcode.  Since there is no ROM on the Gigabit PCI card, the deviceTK microcode would have to be stored in the same flash ROM as the SRM console,tK then downline loaded to the card.  Most Alpha systems have a limited amountdK of flash ROM space, which is insufficient for both a new console driver andO for device microcode.I  J A future version of the Gigabit ethernet card is supposed include it's ownF flash ROM on the PCI card for the device microcode.  When this becomesI available, boot support will probably be added to the SRM console for thekK future generation product.  I don't have any estimate of when such a futuren@ generation Gigabit card will become available with boot support.     Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporationr! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14h 110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698L Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com,   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:29:58 -0600S& From: "Darren" <dparks@norcom2000.com>* Subject: Ingres dies during network outage& Message-ID: <3a2413a3.0@208.18.246.26>  I During a network outage from as short as 60 seconds the Ingres process onfG our VAX/VMS system dies.  Has anyone ever ran into this sort of problem  before?u   We are running:e Vax/VMS 6.2h Ingres 6.4/05P Multinet 4.3  * Any insights would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks,l   Darren   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:13:47 -0800g< From: Noel Madlansacay <noel.madlansacay@radiology.ucsf.edu>+ Subject: Installing a second DEQSA ethernetV4 Message-ID: <v04210109b64a156c2b4d@[128.218.59.173]>  H Greetings!  We will be installing a second DEQSA card on a VAX VMS 4000,B Open VMS 7.1.  And I am looking for the installation guide.  I've E asked DSNLink but they said that since this is an old product unable iB to locate the installation guide. We will be 'dual-homing' so I'd C like to find out if there are any changes we need to make with the dA first ethernet and after we have installed the second card.  Any e leads will be appreciated.   Thanks.d   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 22:30:32 GMT7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279))r6 Subject: Re: KZPAC 3-port RAID Controller - soft error% Message-ID: <2000Nov28.223032@hujicc>r  Q In article <8vvjjf$4cq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Andrew.Rycroft@intrinsitech.com writes:a > Hi,n > G > I have a 3-port RAID controller in an ALpha OpenVMS system. Using theoH > RAID monitoring utility it is reporting "soft" errors. Any ideas as to5 > what these maybe, and if I should get it replaced ?:  I Soft errors are errors encountered by one of the disks and were coreected 1 (prpbably the CRC on the disk repaired the data).bK I also get them from time to time and ignore them if they do not repeat. IfuB there is a steady "stream" of such errors then I replace the disk.  ;                                                   __Yehavi:r   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Nov 2000 00:28:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL question 6 Message-ID: <901iiq$kpg$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <3A231F88.D26AD05C@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:F :Is it possible for a routine in the sharable image that is invoked by< :LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to call a routine in the main image ?  J   All symbols referenced by the shareable image must be resolved when the I   shareable is linked, or the addresses must be determined at run-time...   7 :Is it a case of linking the main image/share and using K :UNIVERSAL=main_routine_name to define the routines that are to be callable  :from the external routine  ?_  F   Circular references are very messy.  If you can, pass in the addressG   and use lib$callg or a C function pointer or similar.  Alternatively,dD   "push" the common code into another shareable image, and link thisG   shareable and the mainline against the additional shareable image --  ?   you could link against a "stub" image if needed, of course...n  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:47:07 -0500 + From: Brad Hamilton <Brad.Hamilton@fmr.com>  Subject: MMS clean up utilitieso' Message-ID: <3A23C56B.184B65F1@fmr.com>    Folks,  C One of our customers wants to know if there are CMS/MMS "utilities" E (freeware or otherwise) to assist in "cleaning up" libraries.  He hasyA asked the CSC for help already; if anyone knows of any additionaln$ sources of help, please let me know.   Thanks, 
 Brad Hamiltonk   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:32:22 -0500 4 From: "Craig D. Lansing (root)" <lansing@beldar.com># Subject: More VMS, BSD, and FORTRAN * Message-ID: <3A2478C6.3D245D22@beldar.com>  G For those of you who may remember, the saga continues.  My knowledge of D VMS is still nil, so I'm looking for a little help here.  As you may
 recall....  E "Please excuse my VMS ignorance (i.e. I've never used it at all), but  I'm E trying to figure out a vendor's position.  As a little background, we B have several applications that communicate with each other via BSDB sockets on an HP-9000 (HP-UX), HP-3000 (MPE), and Windows 9x.  AllH mesages are ASCII text < .5K in length.  This is all written in C and is  G portable across all platforms.  We are looking at replacing some of theiF applications with a product that runs on DEC Alphas written in FORTRANB (77 I think).  The vendor says that we need to replace the socketsG communication with serial  (RS-232) connections between the systems viaaE a terminal server.  This seems to be a huge step backward.  Is anyone F familiar with whether or not sockets will work on a VMS platform?  CanB this be written in FORTRAN?  I doubt that we can get the vendor toF change his mind, but I am mostly just curious about whether or not the capability exists.":  ? Well, we've decided to suck it up and write a Serial to SocketsjE interface program (Comm. Server) to run on the existing platforms and4F keep the existing programs as they are using sockets to communicate toF the Comm. Server that will in turn handle the serial communications toE the Alpha via a terminal server.  It dawned on us today that we could H get rid of the hardware failure points if we just wrote the Comm. Server@ to run under VMS since it is using sockets to communicate to theH non-VMS world.  The question is, is there a way to have the Comm. ServerF running under VMS write to a file, device, etc. that would look like aD serial connection to the vendor without having to run a wire out oneD port on the terminal server and back in another port?  Basically, isH there a way to create a logical / pseudo device that looks like a serialD connection to the vendor, but is actually completely internal to theB Alpha with no parts / cables to fail or are we more insane than weG think?  If this seems like a stupid question, keep in mind that we know ! nothing about VMS and be kind :-)n   TIA, Craigb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:42:41 -0500s# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>c' Subject: RE: More VMS, BSD, and FORTRANtD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD8DE@berry.mvpsi.com>  @ I think the solution to your problem could be as simple as this:  . $ TELNET/CREATE_SESSION remote.host.com nn 123  ? Which would create a TNA123 device connected to port nn on hostsJ remote.host.com.  Then the Fortran software just uses TNA123 like it was a	 terminal.a   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Craig D. Lansing (root) [mailto:lansing@beldar.com] + > Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 10:32 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com % > Subject: More VMS, BSD, and FORTRAN  >  > = > For those of you who may remember, the saga continues.  My   > knowledge ofF > VMS is still nil, so I'm looking for a little help here.  As you may > recall.... > G > "Please excuse my VMS ignorance (i.e. I've never used it at all), butn > I'mwG > trying to figure out a vendor's position.  As a little background, wetD > have several applications that communicate with each other via BSDD > sockets on an HP-9000 (HP-UX), HP-3000 (MPE), and Windows 9x.  All? > mesages are ASCII text < .5K in length.  This is all written r
 > in C and ist > > > portable across all platforms.  We are looking at replacing 
 > some of the.H > applications with a product that runs on DEC Alphas written in FORTRAND > (77 I think).  The vendor says that we need to replace the sockets> > communication with serial  (RS-232) connections between the 
 > systems viaiG > a terminal server.  This seems to be a huge step backward.  Is anyoneiH > familiar with whether or not sockets will work on a VMS platform?  CanD > this be written in FORTRAN?  I doubt that we can get the vendor toH > change his mind, but I am mostly just curious about whether or not the > capability exists."  > A > Well, we've decided to suck it up and write a Serial to SocketsmG > interface program (Comm. Server) to run on the existing platforms and H > keep the existing programs as they are using sockets to communicate toH > the Comm. Server that will in turn handle the serial communications toG > the Alpha via a terminal server.  It dawned on us today that we could2> > get rid of the hardware failure points if we just wrote the  > Comm. ServerB > to run under VMS since it is using sockets to communicate to the> > non-VMS world.  The question is, is there a way to have the  > Comm. ServerH > running under VMS write to a file, device, etc. that would look like aF > serial connection to the vendor without having to run a wire out oneF > port on the terminal server and back in another port?  Basically, is= > there a way to create a logical / pseudo device that looks . > like a serialyF > connection to the vendor, but is actually completely internal to theD > Alpha with no parts / cables to fail or are we more insane than we= > think?  If this seems like a stupid question, keep in mind   > that we know# > nothing about VMS and be kind :-)g >  > TIA, > Craigm >  >  >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:49:01 -0500e, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>' Subject: Re: More VMS, BSD, and FORTRAN > Message-ID: <hshubs-246CBC.23490128112000@news.mindspring.com>  E In article <3A2478C6.3D245D22@beldar.com>, "Craig D. Lansing (root)" _ <lansing@beldar.com> wrote:   E >port on the terminal server and back in another port?  Basically, isyI >there a way to create a logical / pseudo device that looks like a serialtE >connection to the vendor, but is actually completely internal to the C >Alpha with no parts / cables to fail or are we more insane than we H >think?  If this seems like a stupid question, keep in mind that we know" >nothing about VMS and be kind :-)  M Sounds like you need something similar to a UNIX pipe.  While there's a PIPE  N verb on recent versions of VMS, I'm not sure how it's implemented and I don't = know if any such "devices" are available to general programs.   N There -is- the concept of a mailbox.  Mailbox devices are fixed-size software L devices intended for interprocess communication.  They require fixed-length M records and only hold as much as they were created to hold, but depending on i( your requirements they may be effective.  M By the way, to avoid confuction: mailbox devices have nothing to do with VMS fA MAIL, though VMS MAIL and other tasks uses them for interprocess lN communication.  I'm only bringing up MAIL in order to dismiss it as something & which can be ignored for this purpose.  G The $CREMBX system service creates a mailbox, and the documentation on fE mailboxes and interprocess communication will explain it and them in -L excruciating detail, but to summarize, a mailbox is a software device which O can be written to and read from.  They can be created such that they disappear rL when all apps deaccess them (temporary mailboxes), or they can be made in a K permanent fashion such that only a call to $DELMBX or a system reboot will n% eradicate them (permanent mailboxes).   M They can be created with various criteria depending on what kind of messages  K you're interested in passing.  They are created with a fixed size (so many lO messages at such and so a length each).  They look like a device.  They can be aL opened, written to, read from, and closed.  They are strictly sequential in G nature.  No random access is available.  Once a message is read from a - mailbox, it's gone..  J The potential problem comes up when a reader ceases operation.  Since the N mailbox is of a fixed size, it can fill up, at which point any process trying J to write to it is blocked until some task reads messages from the mailbox.  M Mailboxes are incredibly common.  Do a SHOW DEVICE MB to see all the mailbox 2 devices currently existing.   O It seems to me that you could create a mailbox with a width of 256 bytes which sH would hold null-extended C strings or single-byte-counted ASCII strings N (Str255 to speak Macintosh for a moment or ASCIC to use the VMS notation), if N you can stand strings of no more than that length.  Or play with the idea and N do what you wish.  I'm not sure off-hand what the maximum length of a mailbox  message is.o  N Other options exist, such as shared memory sections, but to make those into a O pipe would require writing a driver.  That's probably further than you wish to s go.  -- o Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:27:26 +0100e6 From: "Martin P.J. Zinser" <zinser@sysdev.exchange.de> Subject: Re: Mozilla M18 i005g1 Message-ID: <3A24152E.3000906@sysdev.exchange.de>a   Hello!   Alain Chappuis wrote:w   > Hello,, > Is there anybody work with M18 of Mozilla? >   I Yup, I do, actuallz I'm sending this mail via the mail tool of Mozilla...    > The browser dont work: >  > -> Starting mozilla-bin... > -> Setting content windowd  > -> *** Pulling out the charset > -> in SetSecurityButton 6 > -> Error loading URL http://cmub.unige.ch/: 80004005  O This URL works for me like a charm. Do you maybe need to configure proxy still?l     G > The mail... in IMAP4 it's too slow, and the folders not deliver theirk > messages?. >   M One thing I've noticed is that one does not get updates if another program is-M using mail simultaneously (e.g. having an open DECwindows mail program). ElseoG performance could be better, but it is possible to work with the beast.v   Greetings, Martinr -- oP Dr. Martin P.J. Zinser                                 zinser@sysdev.exchange.de Deutsche Boerse Systems AGL Neue Boersenstr. 1                                     Tel: +49 69 2101 5634L 60487 Frankfurt                                        FAX: +49 69 2101 3411P Germany                                                Private:  zinser@decus.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:55:12 GMTy4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>F Subject: New Encompass Survey... PLease Take 10 Minutes to Fill It Out= Message-ID: <kJWU5.27743$M51.9180560@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>n  4 en.com.pass -  to surround;  to contain, to include.  ; Help us help you!  As you know, we've recently rolled out aMH new identity, complete with restated goals, objectives and plans for theK future. But, for any change to be successful, we need feedback - and member-> feedback is the best, most "encompassing" feedback we can get.  K Take a moment to give us your views on the NEW! Encompass. Participation isa  fast and easy.  Just click on toL http://inq30.chicago.sba.com/Encompass_Calibration_Survey/3.0_version_encompL ass_survey.html and share your views.  Here's a bonus -- complete the surveyK by December 8 and you'll automatically be entered into a drawing to win oneg% of three iPAQ Personal Audio Players.l  < Your opinions will be kept confidential.  All data collectedH will be tallied by a third party provider so please share your thoughts.   RememberL http://inq30.chicago.sba.com/Encompass_Calibration_Survey/3.0_version_encompF ass_survey.html - puts you one click away from an iPAQ  Personal AudioD Player and sharing your views with Encompass leadership.  Let's workG together to continue to build the outstanding user organization that isM
 Encompass!     Posted by...     Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net http://www.acersoft.come$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 04:35:29 GMTl, From: "Richard Robbins" <RERobbins@home.com> Subject: OpenVMS DHCP Client?l< Message-ID: <lI%U5.25835$Y6.7976070@news1.mntp1.il.home.com>  K Is there a DHCP client for OpenVMS?  I've stumbled across the documentationrF for establishing an OpenVMS DHCP server, but not seen how to set up an! OpenVMS machine as a DHCP client.o   -- Rich    ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 23:54:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)  Subject: OpenVMS TP Requirements6 Message-ID: <901gka$kit$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F   The attached message is posted for CJ and John, per their request...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com     --  @                Members of Compaq OpenVMS engineering and outsideJ  organizations are and have been working together to determine the presentF  and future needs of OpenVMS Customers for transactional extension andI  interoperability, particularly in the eBusiness context.  Members of the I  team have extensive experience in OpenVMS and in distributed transactioncG  management, and are seeking to provide you with the solutions that youA  need.  K          If you know of particular transactional features or protocols thatIE  you wish to see incorporated into future releases of OpenVMS or intobI  OpenVMS products, please direct these requests to me and to John Apps --i4  cj.coppersmith@compaq.com and John.Apps@compaq.com.          My Best Regards,t          CJ Coppersmithl"        Strategic Technical Manager%        OpenVMS Systems Software Group-   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Nov 2000 00:08:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)E Subject: Re: OpenVMS TP Requirements (was: The Truth is Marching On!)N6 Message-ID: <901hea$kit$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In article <8vurhj$i59$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, richard_maher@my-deja.com writes:r  G   I had initially thought that the title indicated that this was spam,  E   but the return email address looked otherwise...  Obviously, I ready   your message...    ..E :Come on people, over the last year many have collaborated to presentaF :VMS with an IKEA flat-pack for TIP. All you have to do is assemble it :an release it...m  F   Can't say I've particularly noticed this, but I have not been payingH   particular attention to the transaction processing space.  (That said,G   there _are_ parts of the DECdtm API that I would like to see formally-    documented.  But I digress...)  G :      I am fully aware that any TIP on VMS victory could, at least for_ :me, be pyrrhic. o  I   Referencing an earlier discussion in this newsgroup -- assuming you do 3L   catch fire -- please take two halon dumps and call us in the morning.  :-)  G :                You don't make alot of friends on a crusade like this.BG :But it suffices for the triumph of RTR that good engineers do nothing!   D   Per another message I've posted today, if you have feedback on TP :   requirements for OpenVMS, please contact CJ Coppersmith C   (cj.coppersmith@compaq.com) and John Apps (John.Apps@compaq.com) I6   directly.  CJ and John are looking into this area...  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:29:42 -0600 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>i Subject: Orb Drive Updateh- Message-ID: <3A247826.60FE3919@earthlink.net>"   If anyone is interested...  0 As reported on my OpenVMS hobbyist support page,> http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html the CastlewoodE (http://www.castlewood.com/) Orb drive can be expected to display the-B "usual 3rd party SCSI" behavior on most later versions of OpenVMS.  A However, with the latest firmware update from Castlewood, the OrbeH behaves much better with OpenVMS. I tried it with V6.2-1H3 and V7.1-2 soG far (no patches on either version). You will need an MS-DOS system witho; a SCSI card in order to apply the firmware update, however.o  E If not MOUNTed, the Orb drive must be up and spinning when you try tosE MOUNT it. After that, it will spin down during periods of inactivity.-E However, with the new firmware, it spins back up quickly and does not @ NOT go into and out of MntVerify (behaves more like a high-speed	 CD-ROM). D  B DISMOUNT/UNLOAD *WILL* make the drive spin down. You'll have to doD something manually to spin it back up before you can MOUNT it again.  F On the Orb drive I have (external Ultra SCSI), the manual eject buttonG still does not work, even with the newer firmware. So, this unit may bee
 defective.  H Once INITIALIZEd, the Orb is slightly more capacious than an RZ28. For aD hobbyist system, it may provide an affordable alternative. The drive/ itself lists for $179US from CDW (a US Company)IF (http://www.cdw.com/shop/search/results.asp?mfg=CST) and the media are $29.95US for a 2GB cartridge.i  G By comparison, I found one seller on eBay offering RZ28-VAs for $40/ea.AH These aren't removeable and you need a shelf or other suitable equipmentG in order to use them; but if you take 'em out of the canisters, you caneE mount 'em in just about anything. Depends on what you need, I 'spose.c  D I haven't yet tried installing OpenVMS to the Orb since the firmwareE update. The previous attempt with the original firmware was less thant successful.o   -- e David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsu http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:12:15 -0600 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>s  Subject: Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS8 Message-ID: <900vsg$p61$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  L We have a dual 310 with a 4100 running VMS 7.2-1.  Seems to work well, but IK don't like the idea of configuring this beast and having to do it with a PCoL that has 2 available com ports.  There aren't many of those floating around, especially laptops.o  + I understand it took a long time to qualify < "Chris Scheers" <chris@applied-synergy.com> wrote in messageI news:2935D81F548AC499.4D3A3160FC592068.AC1DD4F1F621523E@lp.airnews.net... ? > How well does the StorageWorks Raid 310 system work with VMS?e >o- > What versions are required? (VAX and Alpha)  >i > Thanx! >-I > -----------------------------------------------------------------------n& > Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc. >rD > Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >   Fax: 817-237-3074>   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Nov 2000 21:24:50 GMT1 From: JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones)   Subject: Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS: Message-ID: <9017r2$q39$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  8 In message <900vsg$p61$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>,5   "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:iM >We have a dual 310 with a 4100 running VMS 7.2-1.  Seems to work well, but I2L >don't like the idea of configuring this beast and having to do it with a PCM >that has 2 available com ports.  There aren't many of those floating around,g >especially laptops.  G You don't need a PC to access the serial, just use a serial port on the J Alpha or VAX with "set host/dte".  You can also use HSZTERM to talk to theB controller via the SCSI bus, but it may hard to find a copy of the
 distribution.e  F I haven't had much trouble using a 310 with VMS, the 'units' just lookL like very big DKxnnn devices.  Due to the size of the volumes, I'd recommendH 7.2-1 at least.  I believe the RAID controller has a minimum recommended0 firmware version, but I don't know what that is.  E The one significant problem I've had with the controller was when thepD battery for the writeback cache failed and abruptly write-locked the	 raid set.t      < David L. Jones               |      Phone:    (614) 292-6929- Ohio State University        |      Internet:hL 140 W. 19th St. Rm. 231a     |               jonesd@er6s1.eng.ohio-state.edu: Columbus, OH 43210           |               vman+@osu.edu  + Disclaimer: Dogs can't tell it's not bacon.n   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2000 13:31:00 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)v  Subject: Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS, Message-ID: <Q68eJEbSsac7@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  ; In article <9017r2$q39$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, i6    JONESD@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (David Jones) writes: > G > The one significant problem I've had with the controller was when the F > battery for the writeback cache failed and abruptly write-locked the > raid set.f >   E    If you do a "SET THIS_CONTROLLER CACHE_POLICY=B" it will not writeuB lock raid/mirror sets when the battery fails, it will just disable> writeback cacheing. Cache policy B will still not allow you toB use the raid/mirror sets if the battery is bad when the controller< is started - they won't even come on-line in read-only mode.  C    If you do a "SET THIS_CONTROLLER CACHE_UPS" it won't care at all @ about the state of the battery. With CACHE_UPS set you can bringG all your raid/mirror sets on-line even if you start the controller withaE no battery installed. I determined this one day when a battery faileda. and the replacement Compaq brought was DOA :-)  G    Either of the above are only suggested if you have a reliable source G of power for the box ( preferably with each power supply on a different  UPS ).  E    The batteries in these controllers seem to pretty consistantly dierF after a couple of years ( I've got 3 units and the batteries have diedH on all of them at about the same age ). Changing the batteries is a painJ as you need to disassemble the entire controller to get at them ( requires) a complete shutdown for about 1/2 hour ).t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:27:03 -0600t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>a  Subject: Re: SW Raid 310 and VMS, Message-ID: <3A246977.579F7C9@earthlink.net>   David Jones wrote: > : > In message <900vsg$p61$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>,7 >   "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes:tO > >We have a dual 310 with a 4100 running VMS 7.2-1.  Seems to work well, but IXN > >don't like the idea of configuring this beast and having to do it with a PCO > >that has 2 available com ports.  There aren't many of those floating around,a > >especially laptops. > I > You don't need a PC to access the serial, just use a serial port on the L > Alpha or VAX with "set host/dte".  You can also use HSZTERM to talk to theD > controller via the SCSI bus, but it may hard to find a copy of the > distribution.t [snip]  F I don't think there's much to it beyond SYS$SYSTEM:HSZTERM$SCSIPAD.EXE9 and possibly HSZTERM_USER_GUIDE.PS, but I could be wrong.a   -- s David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/B  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 13:59:36 -0500m5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> ' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionst, Message-ID: <900vaa$6cdg$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>   Ebinger . Eric wrote in messagei    snips   >e1 >Besides which it is totally unnecessary.  In thet7 >United States of America the election of the Presidents3 >is done by the States, not by the people (which ise4 >why the United States is technically a Republic and6 >not a Democracy).  The simplest and cleanest solution6 >is to call the Florida state legislature together and0 >have them decide who should receive the Florida >electoral votes.  >e    K Which is one potential end result.  Of course, in this case the legislaturec is Republican.  G At this point it really doesn't matter much, Gore might continue on andeH perhaps win some "moral" victory in court, but it's unlikely that he canE become the next President.  Brother Jeb signed and submitted the list K of names of the Florida Electors.  So it's likely that any court victory byhG Gore would be obstructed by the Bush clan (by simply refucing to sign agK new list and recind the old list), and thus we really have a minor "crisis",I as it is then thrown to the US congress to handle...  end result Bush thei( Younger is (loosely speaking) "elected".   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:25:53 GMTi" From: falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk)' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsu2 Message-ID: <8FFA78C12falkarcabca@205.233.108.180>  0 jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca (JF Mezei) wrote in" <3A23255F.5870E75A@videotron.ca>:   F >>Interestingly, the canadian networks took 25 minutes to call who theE >next prime minister would be, but they are admitting that due to thes> >snafues in the USA, they don't yet want to call the "majorityC >government" prediction. Oops, as I type this, they just called thee >majority....   H Actually, they did get carried away sometimes.  I saw some ridings with J candidate declared "elected" on the basis of fewer than 300 votes (one or G two polls) counted.  Don't know how many they had to back up on.  Some *K stations prematurely declared Alliance candidate elected in Edmonton West, LI then had to backtrack (more than once?).  Liberal got it by 770 in final y6 see-saw.  Last time she won by just 12 after recounts.  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca p@ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Roade1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canadar http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4M  http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:45:09 GMTe" From: falk@arc.ab.ca (Alfred Falk)' Subject: Re: Technology of US elections42 Message-ID: <8FFA8782Efalkarcabca@205.233.108.180>  0 jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca (JF Mezei) wrote in! <3A238912.BC30074@videotron.ca>:     >Rob Young wrote:nG >>         Poor technology?  But the Canadians take a marker and mark a2E >>         ballot and drop it in a box and all ballots are counted byjB >>         hand.  Somehow I don't view that as superior technologyE >>         especially when we probably have to count 10 times as manym >>         ballots.  > H >The method is a tool to acheive a goal. In the case of canada, and manyD >countries, the old fashioned X on a ballot does the job very nicelyB >because we only mark a single X on a ballot with perhaps only 5-7E >choices. (Hey I found out there is a "Marijuana party" in Canada andd2 >they someone running in our electoral district !)  J Hey, they drew more votes nationally than the Communist, Canadian Action, 3 Marxist-Leninist, and Natural Law parties combined!S See:B http://www.elections.ca/scripts/custresults/custProfileView_e.asp? profileString=T_AALNP0.9  @ ----------------------------------------------------------------A   A L B E R T A         Alfred Falk               falk@arc.ab.ca n@ R E S E A R C H         Information Systems Dept   (780)450-5185+   C O U N C I L         250 Karl Clark Roadr1                         Edmonton, Alberta, Canadam http://www.arc.ab.ca/   T6N 1E4_  http://www.arc.ab.ca/staff/falk/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:26:14 -0500u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsd, Message-ID: <3A244D19.A383A11A@videotron.ca>   "D.Webb" wrote: H > A full hand recount of Florida was the only way this could possibly be0 > settled with a reasonable amount of certainty.  E I am not sure that a state-wide manual recount would yield comparable I adjustements since each county has its own technology and ballot systems.hJ Counties where the mechanical error rate would be close to 0 would produceN very little change with a manual recount. But in the end, it would provide the! image of a more legitimate count.a  M But what is wrong with doing a mechanical recount state-wide (which was done)sH and then only doing hand recounts in those counties where the mechanical counts are suspect ?  N Had Bush agreed to hand recounts right from the start, the issue would be overM with.  Had he agreed to a hand recount, the Bush side would have had far moremK "constructive" input on how to define a valid ballot, how pregnant a ballot-( would have had to be to be counted etc.   N Without Bush's active participation, the definition of a valid ballot was left: to Gore and thus open for accusations of biased counting.   K Again, another sign that the election SYSTEM failed because it did not have 0 the rules clearly set out PRIOR to the election.  J If the election rules clearly stipulated that in order to be valid, a holeN must be fully perforated with no chad, then none of these stupid debates would have happened.      M OJ simpson got off scotts free because there was the slightest of doubts thatoN he wasn't the murderer even though everyone knows he did it. Bush won't have aK "true" win as long as there is any doubts that Gore might actually have wonpJ it. And it gets worse if Gove manages to get his votes counted and gains a lead of only 10 votes.    G What I do find questionable is the story that some foreign ballots were K received after election day without a valid postmark and that the Bush campeK fought to have those validated.  If the military, in order to get the votes0J there quicker, used a different mechanism to transmit the votes, then thisL mechanism should have been validated by the election officials and each vote< stamped with some state seal to approve/validate the ballot.  F If there is a possibility that a vote was cast AFTER the election and J inserted in the stack of foreign ballots, then none of the foreign ballotsM without vald postmarks should be accepted. Mind you, with today's technology,CH one should be able to fake a valid postmark with whatever date you want.   --------  K Lets assume, for the sake of discussion, that GOD knew that Gore had won by L 5000 votes, but because of mechanical problems in only one county, that someH 6000 votes were not counted properly. Suppose that county was heavily inI favour of Gore.  We'd have the results we have today with Bush winning byt about 900 votes.  K Recounting that county would give Bush an extra 100 votes and Gore an extra_M 5900 votes. Yep, that would tilt the scale. But would it be unfair to recount- only that one county ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:39:09 -0500 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionss, Message-ID: <3A245020.91377048@videotron.ca>   Michael Woodacre wrote: Q > for 'winning' this election. Given that Florida is a statistical tie, shouldn't = > the Florida electorial college votes be split between them?n  M You can't change the rules of the contest after the contest to decide who thehK winner is. If the election laws in Florida do not deal with situations of a-6 statistical tie, then it is the laws which are flawed.  H Who should be the body to decide that instead of sending one block of 25K votesas the current laws state, that they should send 12 votes for Bush, 12mE votes for Gore and 1 vote for Nader ? (or 13 to bush and 12 to gore).E  N The florida body who would make that decision would be doing this in a contextM where they would knowingly be deciding the next president of the USA. AnothereN reason why all election laws/rules must be clearly set out BEFORE elections soL that after the election, there is no possibility that the election officialsI can be seen using their own powers to decide the outcome of the election.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:45:26 -0500e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>w' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsi, Message-ID: <3A245198.3C5115EB@videotron.ca>   "Ebinger . Eric" wrote:s7 > not a Democracy).  The simplest and cleanest solutionp7 > is to call the Florida state legislature together and 1 > have them decide who should receive the Florida  > electoral votes.  J Is this something which is already in the laws/constitution ? How would itN look if a republican state legislature were to choose a republican candidate ?C (even if the later has a few hundred votes more than his opponent).e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:29:51 -0500h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e' Subject: Re: Technology of US electionsi, Message-ID: <3A244DF2.5B2BB46B@videotron.ca>   John Macallister wrote: M > The only fair way to settle this debacle is to have a revote in Florida formL > the two presidential candidates and using the good old ballot paper systemH > with an "X" in the box for the chosen candidate followed by a good old > proper manual count.    M If the constitution and electoral laws don't allow for this, you can't decidetK this after the election. All of the election rules/laws MUST be clearly setoW out BEFORE the election otherwise you end up with the zoo that has happened in Florida.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 14:12:57 -0500t5 From: "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com>f. Subject: Re: VAX/VMS DEC Phigs to Alpha Open3D, Message-ID: <90103b$6d2d$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  D PHIGS is still supported on OpenVMS Alpha and VAX, although it is in maintenance mode.n  L The biggest difference you will find moving forward is that we are no longerL doing PEX (PHIGS Extension for X11) support for new 3D hardware, but insteadJ are only doing OpenGL support.  This should be *transparent* to your PHIGSH code, as there is both a vanilla X11, *and* a OpenGL "driver" for PHIGS.  J [PHIGS is written such that device dependent "drivers" are called by PHIGSH to do the actual drawing.  A PEX driver would pretty much pass the PHIGSH calls through to the PEX extension on the server.  A X11 driver would doH everything down to the point of having 2D drawing commands that it wouldH send to the server.  A OpenGL driver would do it down to the point of 3DC primitives that it would send to the device or server.  The primarynL difference is performance, and where the work is done.  PEX is optimized forJ PHIGS, and in particular - structure mode.  OpenGL on the P300/350 will beL faster than any PEX implementation on any VAX (or Alpha) OpenVMS system.  So' like I said, it should be transparent.]   G Starting with the P300/P350, there is no longer any need to install the-L Open3D kit for future 3D graphics cards.  Instead the support is included asL part of the base OS (and ships as a patch kit initially).  To use the OpenGL> functionality, you still must have a Open3D license installed.  F You can buy  PHIGS for any Alpha OpenVMS system, and use the X11 PHIGSK driver without the need for an Open3D license.  You need the Open3D license F if you want to use the OpenGL PHIGS driver -- which will give you much better performance.@  E For NEW code, I would suggest looking at migrating directly to OpenGL  instead of PHIGS.     0 Andrew.Rycroft@intrinsitech.com wrote in message  <8vvjf3$4c6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... >Hi, > F >we are looking at migrating an application using DEC Phigs on VAX/VMSG >to open3D on Alpha. Does anybody know where I can find any informations( >on what is involved, or have any tips ? >s >ThanksY >Andrews >s >S' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/S >Before you buy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:49:56 -0000u- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)e Subject: Re: VMS "froze"/ Message-ID: <t28334oe5k2m82@news.supernews.com>.   Hi,l  K You've said that the system appears to be frozen, but you haven't actually nJ proved it - a non-responsive console is a common problem when you have an K insufficient page file size.  It'll respond eventually (usually), but I've r seen it take 10 or 20 minutes.  K AMDS is an excellent tool for diagnosing these types of problems.  It runs aJ at high priority, and thus is relatively immune to a run-away swapper (or  other) process.r  J A quick way to check the page file issue is to log on and repeatedly do a G "$ SHOW MEMORY".  If the Free Page File number (at the bottom) drops & -G drops, and eventually your system hangs, you've found it.  It's then a aJ matter of tracking down which process is malfunctioning, which this group  can help you with too.   Hope this helps,   ws   -- 13 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>n   Warren Spencer Senior Software Engineer The Associated Press  ? ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **h   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:19:20 GMT * From: Doran Werling <rwscsinc@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: VMS "froze") Message-ID: <9017gf$eon$1@nnrp1.deja.com>f  / In article <t28334oe5k2m82@news.supernews.com>,h0   wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote: > Hi,o >eC > You've said that the system appears to be frozen, but you haven't  actuallyK > proved it - a non-responsive console is a common problem when you have aniG > insufficient page file size.  It'll respond eventually (usually), buty I've  > seen it take 10 or 20 minutes. >lG > AMDS is an excellent tool for diagnosing these types of problems.  Itm runsK > at high priority, and thus is relatively immune to a run-away swapper (orA > other) process.f >eK > A quick way to check the page file issue is to log on and repeatedly do axH > "$ SHOW MEMORY".  If the Free Page File number (at the bottom) drops &H > drops, and eventually your system hangs, you've found it.  It's then aK > matter of tracking down which process is malfunctioning, which this group  > can help you with too. >g > Hope this helps, >n > ws >n > --5 > << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>u >s > Warren Spencer > Senior Software Engineer > The Associated Press >-A > ** My employer does not necessarily agree with my statements **h >aF To get a view of what the system is doing during this "hang", you need to get a crash dump.  @ 1) Make sure your dump file is large enough to store the crash .  < 2) The next time the system  hangs, halt the system and type    >>> crash    at the console prompt.e  G 3) After the system completes it's memory dump, boot it back up and usedD   the system dump analyzer ($ analyze/crash) to look at the state of"    the system while it was "hung".   regards,
 Doran Werlingt RW/SCS Inc.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 20:57:45 GMTs* From: Doran Werling <rwscsinc@my-deja.com>( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????) Message-ID: <901685$dkl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  + In article <OEH0PzGf9hYD@eisner.decus.org>,u<   Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) wrote:D > If you want to be able to fully maintain VMS from another machine,B > you will need access to the console prompt, such as via an RS232A > connection, direct from your NT machine or via reverse-LAT to ao7 > terminal server.  Terminal servers are cheap on eBay.t > E > As for terminal emulators -- there are many fine terminal emulatorst: > available for Windows.  None of them are from Microsoft. >d? > In article <3A23ECB7.925502CF@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard"  <piccard@ohio.edu> writes:F > > Telnet using Kermit-95, not the bogus terminal emulator that comesJ > > with.  Yes, I know that isn't what you had in mind, but I really think > > it is the answer.g > >a' > >                                 RDP  > >g > >  > > Ray Phelan wrote:w > >iJ > >> Is there a simple way to maintain a VMS box, via an NT machine on the > >> same network????? > >  > > --F > > ==================================================================F > > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerF > > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesF > > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University > >t > >l >d  F You can install the OpenVMS Management Station software on you NT box.G This software comes bundled with VMS or it can be downloaded off of theh Compaq web site.   Regards,
 Doran Werling' RW/SCS Inc.a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Nov 2000 16:43:38 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????+ Message-ID: <BVR8AQ91qpvx@eisner.decus.org>d  L In article <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB011D0F@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>,+ Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan#core-com.ie> writes:s@ > Is there a simple way to maintain a VMS box, via an NT machine > on the same network?????	5   Yes.   As to the specifics:   What version of VMS?  + What type of maintenance do you want to do?F   What do you consider simple?  ? Do you want to buy a solution?  Or put together one of your own8* based on products that are available free.  @ There are several OpenVMS management products on the current VMS; distribution CD-ROM and available for download from Compaq.a  = There are also utilities for sale to do various tasks from anr assortment of suppliers.  C Some things are a bit complex to set up, and simple to use.  I havedA written DCL scripts that use Pathworks Server 6.0 to query the NT @ SAM database and do the updates to the VMS SYSUAF and rightslist+ based on the values read from an NT server.   B This basically has the NT LAN Administrators doing OpenVMS Account$ administration with no VMS training.  D IMHO: That is simple on the user, but it was a bit complex to set up
 and debug.  A I am not sure how portable these scripts are for general use, and-@ I will not be able to post them.  I lose access to those systems in less than 72 hours.   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 29 Nov 2000 00:44:49 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: VMS and NT integration?????6 Message-ID: <901ji1$ks9$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  x In article <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB011D0F@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>, Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie> writes:F :Is there a simple way to maintain a VMS box, via an NT machine on the :same network?????	e  D   Depending on what you mean by "maintain" -- please realize that a B   terse question can be difficult to answer -- please see the URL:A   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/argus/index.htmln  bN  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 03:01:08 GMTi/ From: "Robert Meyer" <meyerra@worldnet.att.net>t Subject: VMS System BackupE Message-ID: <Uj_U5.1137$YS1.92256@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   J I support a 6.x VMS system operating on an Alpha server.  Our organizationI has purchased a network backup solution.  Prior to using it I need a full)H system backup and a recovery method.  On IBM there is a Mksysb tape.  OnL HP/UX there is a make_recovery utility which generates a full recovery tape.L What method is used to backup the full system on VMS?  Thanks in advance forI any assistance.  This tape will be done prior to loading a network backup  client.  CYA  ;->  Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:47:53 -0600(7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r Subject: Re: VMS System Backup- Message-ID: <3A247C69.46936E61@earthlink.net>6   Robert Meyer wrote:a > L > I support a 6.x VMS system operating on an Alpha server.  Our organizationK > has purchased a network backup solution.  Prior to using it I need a fullnJ > system backup and a recovery method.  On IBM there is a Mksysb tape.  OnN > HP/UX there is a make_recovery utility which generates a full recovery tape.N > What method is used to backup the full system on VMS?  Thanks in advance forK > any assistance.  This tape will be done prior to loading a network backupo > client.  CYA  ;->n > Thanks in advance.  : Well, the stock answer would usually be "See HELP BACKUP".  8 As you seem to be new to OpenVMS, let's go a bit deeper.  E The BACKUP command has a /IMAGE qualifier. "/IMAGE" is something of aaH misnomer since it does not make a "disk image", rather it simply stores,H along with the contents of your files, enough data to restore the sourceF volume to its original condition, even if the saveset is restored to aD physical volume whose capacity is different from the original source volume.t  H For a "full" backup, you'll want to use BACKUP/IMAGE for each volume-set MOUNTed to the system.  D Note that VMS views devices as discrete volumes rather than simply aD subset of the entire "filesystem". Note also, however, that physicalH volumes (or virtual volumes in the case of RAIDsets) can be "bound" into- sets consisting of multiple physical volumes.s  E You'll want to spend some quality time with the documentation, if youf have it.  D In general, however, network backup for OpenVMS is not recommendableD IMHO, since in order to restore a superior system (OpenVMS) you mustD first restore an inferior system (the backup server, usually UN*X orC NT), then build (BY HAND!) an OpenVMS system with a working networkeA stack on a scratch disk before you can even begin to restore yourh production OpenVMS system disk.   C Too much work and too unreliable. Better to stick with a tape drivetH directly accessible to your OpenVMS system. You'll thank yourself in the	 long run.e  G ...not to mention the potentially horrific demand on network throughput E trying to do it the other way. How fast will *YOUR* network pass whatd" may be 100's of gigabytes of data?  + OpenVMS is a BACKUP *SERVER*, not a client!h   ...IMHO.   -- h David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsh http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/.  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 21:40:41 -0600r% From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net>t Subject: Re: VMS System Backup' Message-ID: <3A247AB9.4237C196@isd.net>n   Robert Meyer wrote:e > L > I support a 6.x VMS system operating on an Alpha server.  Our organizationK > has purchased a network backup solution.  Prior to using it I need a full0J > system backup and a recovery method.  On IBM there is a Mksysb tape.  OnN > HP/UX there is a make_recovery utility which generates a full recovery tape.N > What method is used to backup the full system on VMS?  Thanks in advance forK > any assistance.  This tape will be done prior to loading a network backupa > client.  CYA  ;->n > Thanks in advance.  # See the documentation on VMS Backupr   Type...i  
 $ HELP BACKUPo     Hope this helps.   -- e Keith Brownt kbrown780@isd.neta   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:13:36 +0530e! From: "Chrish" <chrishy@mail.com>e Subject: Re: VMS System Backup* Message-ID: <901u1d$pav@usenet.pa.dec.com>  : The backup utility in VMS helps in taking a system backup.L This can be achieved by giving the backup command with the /image qualifier.   -chrishe        : "Robert Meyer" <meyerra@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message? news:Uj_U5.1137$YS1.92256@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...eL > I support a 6.x VMS system operating on an Alpha server.  Our organizationK > has purchased a network backup solution.  Prior to using it I need a fulldJ > system backup and a recovery method.  On IBM there is a Mksysb tape.  OnH > HP/UX there is a make_recovery utility which generates a full recovery tape.eJ > What method is used to backup the full system on VMS?  Thanks in advance for K > any assistance.  This tape will be done prior to loading a network backup- > client.  CYA  ;->  > Thanks in advance. >  >0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 22:29:05 GMTg* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>2 Subject: Why so much virtual memory for tiny jobs?) Message-ID: <901bj8$id8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t   Hello,  = Why does it take so much virtual memory to run this tiny job?e   $ type show-work.com $    SHOW WORK $  $    SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING $o	 $    EXITc  3 Here is the part of the log file after SYLOGIN.COM:o   $    SHOW WORK>   Working Set      /Limit= 895   /Quota= 1790    /Extent= 2048G   Adjustment enabled    Authorized Quota= 1790  Authorized Extent= 2048- $- $    SHOW PROCESS/ACCOUNTING  G 28-NOV-2000 16:39:29.15   User: SYSTEM           Process ID:   00001959.8                           Node: IDS08            Process name: "BATCH_80"   Accounting information:cA  Buffered I/O count:        38  Peak working set size:        392hA  Direct I/O count:          26  Peak virtual size:           3077 A  Page faults:              468  Mounted volumes:                0r  Images activated:           3)  Elapsed CPU time:          0 00:00:00.12f)  Connect time:              0 00:00:00.98a $w	 $    EXITy8   SYSTEM       job terminated at 28-NOV-2000 16:39:29.27     Accounting information:lE   Buffered I/O count:       41         Peak working set size:     410hE   Direct I/O count:         27         Peak page file size:      3077,E   Page faults:             529         Mounted volumes:             0zF   Charged CPU time:    0 00:00:00.13   Elapsed time:     0 00:00:01.10  / [Last 4 lines edited to fit deja screen width.]l  G Okay. Now the peak working set size is 410 pages. I assume that this is B the largest number of pages that were in the working set (which isA physical memory). The term "working set size" elsewhere means thehB working set size *limit*, which is 895 here. So the terminology is already inconsistent.P  F I assume that "Peak page file size" is the same as "Peak virtual size"A which I also assume is the same as "Peak page file" in ACCOUNTINGcE displays which I furthermore assume is the same as "Virtual pages" incF the SHOW PROC/CONT display. Are these four quantities all the same? Am0 I missing any others that are the same as these?  G I would have guessed that this was the peak number of pages in the pagerF file or the peak total virtual memory for the job. But since there wasB enough room in memory below WSDEFAULT for the job to run, why were5 there so many (extra) pages in "Peak page file size"?,  F I always see this behavior for tiny jobs and seek an explanation. (RunE on a VAX running VMS V5.5-2HF which has the closest to vanilla VMS ofoF all the VAXes in my shop. I see the same behavior on our V6.1 and V6.2
 machines.)  E TIA. (I will look for responses in the newsgroup. *IF* you e-mail me,dE please don't use the deja address; it doesn't work reliably. Instead,a: use one of the ones below and remove the huge wrong part.)   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  &-)/ w: afeldman@gfigroup.BorisYeltsinCooksCajun.coms5 h: alan48@dellnet.YouCantBelieveEverythingYouRead.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 02:08:36 GMTm3 From: cornelius@eisner.decus.org (George Cornelius)g2 Subject: Re: [Fwd: RE: Technology of US elections]+ Message-ID: <IpSlegrpCgZ1@eisner.decus.org>a  Z In article <tr662tseklqqkeomnn1glkcrdvcackvofd@4ax.com>, LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com writes:: > this URL lists the systems in use in Florida, by county: > 3 > http://www.dos.state.fl.us/doe/votemeth/cvs.shtmlv   Hey, I love it!s  D The mark sense systems that according to consensus here are superiorB methods of counting come from Texas and Nebraska*, both solidly in the Bush camp.  G And the votomatics for Broward, Palm Beach, and Dade counties appear to:J have been supplied by two companies that have the same mailing address in,( you guessed it -- Little Rock, Arkansas.  F  * Nebraska, my 'old' home state, has voted more solidly Republican inC  presidential elections than any other, I am told.  And if you werelF  looking around for technology that worked, what more fitting place to1  start than an address on "John Galt Boulevard" !e  B [Far be it from me to suggest that cronyism was involved in eitherC of these choices, but I could imagine what a certain Ms. Rand would C have had to say about 'just deserts' at this point.  The votomaticsOA have _not_ served the Democrats well. Let's hope they chose their C technology on its merits and not on the politics of its providers.]a   --8 George Cornelius              cornelius@eisner.decus.org0                               cornelius@mayo.edu   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.666 ************************