1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 01 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 549       Contents: After RTFFAQ :-) Re: After RTFFAQ :-) Re: Compaq VMS promo Re: DECnet Plus phased out?  Re: DECnet Plus phased out?  Re: DECnet Plus phased out?  Re: DECnet Plus phased out?  Re: DECnet Plus phased out?  Re: FMS and GKS ! newbie - TcpWare routing question % Re: newbie - TcpWare routing question % Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP? % Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP?  RE: OpenVMS Sessions at CETS Re: Privileges needed for PHONE " Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk ' Re: VAXStation 4000/90 hardware failure , Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:59:19 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> Subject: After RTFFAQ :-) * Message-ID: <39D71906.34B0ADDC@Easynet.fr>  L So, finally, I decided to follow your suggestions and did read it. Fine job!  ! I have just a comment (if I may):   H AFAIK, the ^P command doesn't HALT the CPU, it suspends its activity andF keep its context, which is different. When I type C (continue) it willD resume without any side effects (if I do nothing else). This is trueG since the first PDP I discovered in 1981. To halt the CPU, I type H and 7 it says HALTED. In that case, if I type C, it will not.    D. (sorry for my lack of modesty)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:17:46 -0400 ) From: Richard <dr_vmsREMV@techieREMV.com>  Subject: Re: After RTFFAQ :-) 2 Message-ID: <R2PXOZeXh0t8qknu7OsP7gHhkmGF@4ax.com>  N On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:59:19 +0200, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> wrote:I >AFAIK, the ^P command doesn't HALT the CPU, it suspends its activity and G >keep its context, which is different. When I type C (continue) it will 9 >resume without any side effects (if I do nothing else).    K If you're on an OpenVMS Cluster, it also depends on some SYSGEN parameters. L If you CTL-P and wait too long to <C>ontinue, you will crash with a CLUEXIT.@ The other nodes will have assumed the node has left the cluster.   -Richard   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 13:34:43 +01005 From: "Chris Casey" <Chris.Casey@HendersonNOSPAM.com>  Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo ) Message-ID: <8r7b3a$l2d$1@soap.pipex.net>   ) I just hope nobody walks into the office. J I am sitting here in shorts (Sunday with air conditioning off) laughing my	 head off.  Doesn't look much like work.  : Koloth wrote in message <39D2BBB2.A89389FA@tmisnet.com>...L >I just have to say that I had a very hard time reading this with a straight face.  >  >JF Mezei wrote: > " >> Hey, I finally got my ball !!!!     <BIG SNIPS>   K >> YOU HAVE TO ADMIT THOUGH: THIS IS STARTING TO BECOME A BELEIVABLE THING,  withK >> Compaq sending out VMS-only marketing materials. Still a long way to go,  but I J >> think that this is helping at the very least those who still beleive in VMS J >> and need every bit of ammunition to continue to internally promote VMS. >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 08:09:08 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>$ Subject: Re: DECnet Plus phased out?( Message-ID: <39D6ED97.2ACC04A1@decus.fi>  > Actually the routing structure will not support DECnet and OSID protocols. Some places have probably migrated to TCPIP only backboneE and others will follow. DECnet protocols as in "application protocol" < operating on top of TCPIP transport as DECnet/Plus allows itB will be available and usable in Q network. And of course this moveF will not affect support of customers (or rather should not affect...).  B At least here in Finland DECnet training is available. GKNI thoughB has stopped its operations compeletely but there are other players around.    _veli      Didier Morandi wrote:  > A > I heard that the DECnet protocole is gonna be phased out COMPAQ J > internally. I also noticed that GKN and other training vendors no longer/ > "offer" the DECnet serie of training courses.  > D > Should these classes be stopped wolrdwide? I thing they should notG > because there are *plenty* of machines which don't need TCP/IP and so G > still use DECnet and still need operators and system manglers. But if I > the material becomes unavailable, how can we provide the training? (I'm 3 > talking about DECnet Phase V/OSI/Plus of course).  > 	 > Thanks,  > D. > D > PS: I went to see the DFWLUG site, but everything is not in there.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:46:57 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>$ Subject: Re: DECnet Plus phased out?* Message-ID: <39D71621.DF868835@Easynet.fr>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > @ > I am sure they will teach whatever the paying public requests.  F Larry, if you ask GKN in France to provide a DECnet course, the answerB is: "COMPAQ doesn't sell anymore DECnet training material, so thisD course has been removed from our catalogue". If you ask COMPAQ aboutC this, COMPAQ's answer is that the product is no more in the OpenVMS C training catalogue. And finally, it appears that the last documents E available from COMPAQ are dated march 30, 1999 (the OpenVMS 7.2 doc).    So?      D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:48:36 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>$ Subject: Re: DECnet Plus phased out?* Message-ID: <39D71683.5130E8C4@Easynet.fr>   Veli Krkk wrote: >  ../.. D > At least here in Finland DECnet training is available. GKNI thoughD > has stopped its operations compeletely but there are other players	 > around.   F So am I, but I dunno how I could become an "authorized COMPAQ trainingD person" if I insist to offer DECnet training against COMPAQ will :-(   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2000 09:53:16 -0500 9 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: DECnet Plus phased out?+ Message-ID: <xXPfyeXKENvZ@eisner.decus.org>   ] In article <39D71621.DF868835@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: >>  A >> I am sure they will teach whatever the paying public requests.  > H > Larry, if you ask GKN in France to provide a DECnet course, the answerD > is: "COMPAQ doesn't sell anymore DECnet training material, so thisF > course has been removed from our catalogue". If you ask COMPAQ aboutE > this, COMPAQ's answer is that the product is no more in the OpenVMS E > training catalogue. And finally, it appears that the last documents G > available from COMPAQ are dated march 30, 1999 (the OpenVMS 7.2 doc).   C That date seems quite appropriate.  I know of no "recent changes in 7 DECnet" since V7.2.  In fact I know of none since V7.1.   E I believe I would run from GKN if I found out they were only teaching D when Compaq provided the material.  Try Bruden or one of the smallerD companies.  If they are not handling Europe or the language in whichE you want the training, they probably know the names of other vendors.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:02:58 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>$ Subject: Re: DECnet Plus phased out?- Message-ID: <39D76E42.FEF65D91@tsoft-inc.com>    Didier Morandi wrote:  >  > Larry Kilgallen wrote: > > B > > I am sure they will teach whatever the paying public requests. > H > Larry, if you ask GKN in France to provide a DECnet course, the answerD > is: "COMPAQ doesn't sell anymore DECnet training material, so thisF > course has been removed from our catalogue". If you ask COMPAQ aboutE > this, COMPAQ's answer is that the product is no more in the OpenVMS E > training catalogue. And finally, it appears that the last documents G > available from COMPAQ are dated march 30, 1999 (the OpenVMS 7.2 doc).   O I'd have to ask just how recent these responses are.  Some things about VMS are D changing, but not all parts of Compaq have 'gotten the message' yet.  N It is a rather small planet.  Find some promotional airfares, and hop over theN pond to where such courses are offered.  As Larry said, money talks.  I'm sure the classes will be available.   --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 09:52:07 +02009 From: "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr>  Subject: Re: FMS and GKS% Message-ID: <8r7b6v$543$1@wanadoo.fr>   N Showing your licences and the fact that you bought the distribution  to CompaqO support, will allow you to request at a low charge (media and mailing cost) the % necessary kits because you paid them.    -- Michel HERRSCHER Consultant  mhc@herrscher.fr Tl : +33 (0)450 870 912 Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741 Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711   . 3 <gboado@nahuelsat.com.ar> a crit dans le message :  8r4bf2$hi0$1@nnrp1.deja.com...D > Hi. I need to transfer the FMS and GKS packages from one 3100 to aH > MVII. I have the required licenses, but the installation kit was lost.= > Does anyone know which files do I have to copy and modify?.  >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 06:26:14 GMT ' From: moi_is_me <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> * Subject: newbie - TcpWare routing question) Message-ID: <8r6le4$4jb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,   0   Re: TcpWare 5.4, on ALPHA, works ok except ...  6   if i was to PING 207.25.71.25, my external PPPOE hub   dials out, and i can ping   :   if however, i was to PING www.cnn.com, TcpWare complains(   lib-e-keynotfou, key not found in tree  6   if i attempt to telnet instead to www.cnn.com, i get#   tcpware-e-nosuchost, unknown host   >   So basically, TcpWare is not passing on internet names, only=   dotted notation format ... what silly thing i have i forgot    to configure and/or define ?         thanks inadvance   -Pierre     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 07:34:28 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie). Subject: Re: newbie - TcpWare routing question' Message-ID: <8OBB5.3328$R6.8911@insync>   ( moi_is_me (moi_is_me@my-deja.com) wrote: : Hi,  : 2 :   Re: TcpWare 5.4, on ALPHA, works ok except ... : 8 :   if i was to PING 207.25.71.25, my external PPPOE hub :   dials out, and i can ping  : < :   if however, i was to PING www.cnn.com, TcpWare complains* :   lib-e-keynotfou, key not found in tree : 8 :   if i attempt to telnet instead to www.cnn.com, i get% :   tcpware-e-nosuchost, unknown host  : @ :   So basically, TcpWare is not passing on internet names, only? :   dotted notation format ... what silly thing i have i forgot   :   to configure and/or define ? :  :  :  :   thanks inadvance : 	 : -Pierre  :   @ You need to configure TCPWare to use some DNS servers to resolveB names to IP addresses. I've done this at a previous job, but don'tD recall the exact steps, but I did find a DejaNews article posted by % Jeff Schreiber, Process Software LLC.   G According to that article,  you can change "NAMED_SERVERS" by invoking   the CNFNET DCL script:       @CNFNET DNS   9 which should change the TCPWARE_NAMESERVERS logical name.   % Then restart the TCPware DNS process:        $ NETCU STOP/DNS&     $ @TCPWARE:STARTUP_RESOLVER DETACH   A If that doesn't  configure the name servers, perhaps the TCPware   FAQs will help:   2   http://www.support.process.com/tcpware_faqs.html   TCPware FAQs  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:51:19 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>. Subject: Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP?( Message-ID: <39D72CC4.E84DD2A4@decus.fi>  = well, this is from Personal Workstation 500/400 running E7.3,  essentially 
 $ anal/system  SDA> set log t.t SDA> show lan/full  SDA> <return> !quite a few times. $ search t.t "--","Can change address"/out=c.c. $ search/window=(1,0) c.c "Can change address"    F              -- EWA0 Template Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:16:55 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** G            -- EWA2 60-07 (SCA) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:16:56 -- 2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** H           -- EWA10 80-41 (LAST) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:16:59 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** F           -- EWA20 80-3C (DNAME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:01 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** F           -- EWA21 80-3C (DNAME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:05 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** F           -- EWA22 80-3C (DNAME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:08 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** F           -- EWA23 80-3E (DTIME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:10 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** F           -- EWA24 80-3E (DTIME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:15 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** F              -- EWB0 Template Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:22 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** G            -- EWB2 60-07 (SCA) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:22 -- 2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** G            -- EWB3 60-04 (LAT) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:23 -- 2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  *************** F          -- EWB8 FE-00 (DECNETV) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:25 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** F           -- EWB9 60-03 (DECNET) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:26 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** F           -- EWB12 60-01 (MOPDL) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:27 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** F           -- EWB13 60-01 (MOPDL) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:29 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** F           -- EWB14 60-02 (MOPRC) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:30 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** F           -- EWB15 60-02 (MOPRC) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:31 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** H           -- EWB16 90-00 (LOOP) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:33 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** H           -- EWB17 90-00 (LOOP) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:34 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** G            -- EWB20 08-00 (IP) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:36 -- H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** H            -- EWB21 08-06 (ARP) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:37 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** E               -- EWB22 86-DD Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:38 -- H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFF  *************** H           -- EWB23 80-41 (LAST) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:40 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ONQ ***************TH           -- EWB24 80-40 (BIOS) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:41 --H Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address               OFFe ***************sG          -- EWB25 F0-00 (PATHWRK) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:42e --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ONY ***************eH           -- EWB27 80-48 (AMDS) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:44 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ONa ***************DF           -- EWB37 80-3C (DNAME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:45 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ONo ***************nF           -- EWB38 80-3C (DNAME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:46 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ONr ***************fF           -- EWB39 80-3C (DNAME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:47 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ON  ***************oF           -- EWB40 80-3E (DTIME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:49 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ONu ***************eF           -- EWB41 80-3E (DTIME) Unit Information  1-OCT-2000 15:17:50 --2 Controller mode               NORMAL    Can change address                ONn  G I decided not to post all thos 1700 lines from SDA> SHOW LAN/FULL. Note) thatE this machine has two ethernet cards, EWA0 being 10Mbit and EWB0 being  100Mbith one.   _veli@   Cthulhu wrote: > & > Veli K?rkk? <korkko@decus.fi> wrote: >  > > $ analyze/system > > SDA> show lan/full= > > The item to watch is "Can change address" line. SCS, LAT,n > 3 > I did get a look, but it doesn't appear anywhere.P > G > And, even starting DECnet in the standard way (not submitting it to a > > batch queue), NTP and OSU HTTPD have that strange behaviour. >  > Mah. >  >         misteringly, >            Cthulhu >  > -- > I >        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! 3 >                         <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>h   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 13:51:21 GMT-8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>. Subject: Re: No more SYSDUMP.DMP? No more NTP?( Message-ID: <39D72D6F.3CA9A77F@decus.fi>  A oh and btw, on some older VMS versions there is not SDA> SHOW LANt@ command. Instead there might SDA> show decnet_datalink  /full. I= still maintain that DECnet will not be able to startup (bringrC up the routing circuit) if IP has started on the same card already.jE At least this holds for UCX, TCPware and Multinet and I would imaginet to all other IP stacks.r   _veli    Cthulhu wrote: > & > Veli K?rkk? <korkko@decus.fi> wrote: >  > > $ analyze/system > > SDA> show lan/full= > > The item to watch is "Can change address" line. SCS, LAT,e > 3 > I did get a look, but it doesn't appear anywhere.k > G > And, even starting DECnet in the standard way (not submitting it to aa> > batch queue), NTP and OSU HTTPD have that strange behaviour. >  > Mah. >  >         misteringly, >            Cthulhu >  > -- > I >        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!:3 >                         <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>A   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 11:17:57 -0500a+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>m% Subject: RE: OpenVMS Sessions at CETSeJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284842@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>  L One additional session I'll be doing as well is based on OpenVMS, but can be? applied to any platform as the steps involved are very similar.c  
 Reference:6 http://www.conferenceregistration.com/sessions/485.htm0 "485 - Server Consolidation Planning and Design" Thurs 1:15pm, Room 503 e  : There is also a BOF on server consolidation scheduled for: BOF-18	Server Consolidation , Thursday, 4:15-5:30; BOF Room in Kentia Hall   :-)t   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant,
 Compaq Canadai Professional Services  Voice : 613-592-4660 FAX   : 819-772-7036 Email : kerry.main@compaq.coms       -----Original Message-----> From: hein@eps.zko.dec.nospam [mailto:hein@eps.zko.dec.nospam]' Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 12:36 AMt To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn% Subject: Re: OpenVMS Sessions at CETSi    6 In article <8r2ebo$mnv$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,' hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam writes...u > G >In article <8r22m4$kmd$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski",' <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:-A >:The following are the OpenVMS Sessions at CETS, for your use...  > E >  Sue has just posted the OpenVMS session list, but there are also ap variety C >  of OpenVMS-related clinics and Birds-of-a-Feature (BOF) sessions:  ( And I'll be doing a 4 hour RMS workshop:  ? Wednesday 10/4 1:00 pm Session 705, Repairing RMS indexed fileso  C Time permitting I'll be happy to tackle other RMS related question.e   my other (non-VMS) session isr   Friday 10/6 9:30 am Session 265gE 	Oracle Tuning and System Setup for a large scale ERP implementations   E This session will take the audience through methods and tools used tohG optimally tune Oracle, UNIX and storage for a large commercial databasehH benchmark. The examples will be from BAAN and SAP SD test configurationsF used to mimic 10,000+ users under Tru64. We will discuss database fileF layout, statistical tools, VLM, GH Chunks (granularity hints), Storage configurations.    See you there, Cheers,t 	Hein van den Heuvel.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 08:08:57 GMTe8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE( Message-ID: <39D6E3FB.491A65E0@decus.fi>  > Phone relies on DECnet and I would say Phone needs DECnet even8 on local node to local node access but of course I might	 be wrong.3  ( Therefore it would be necessary to know    a) what VMS versionn7 b) do you have DECnet installed, configured and startedP4 c) what kind of DECnet that is, i.e. DECnet Phase IV3    or DECnet Phase V aka DECnet/OSI aka DECnet/Plusa  < If you have DECnet Phase IV, check (from privileged account) PHONE object using  * $ MC NCP SHOW OBJECT PHONE CHARACTERISTICS  7 Pay attention to items USER and PASSWORD. The mentioned 6 account must exist and be usable and password supplied7 in object database must be correct. Of course it can bec; that above command shows no user etc. In that case it coulds= be that access information comes from DECnet EXECUTOR defaultg settings. To check that do  & $ MC NCP SHOW EXECUTOR CHARACTERISTICS  6 and pay attention to "Default Non-Privileged User" and? "Default non-privileged password" (or very close to those..., Is- am after all at home typing on my laptop PC).n    @ With DECnet/Plus one should check the session control app PHONE, i.e.  3 $ MC NCL SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION PHONE ALLr  2 and pay attention to item "User name". There is no password item.     _velin   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:a >  >         Try this:  > $ SET PROCESS /PRIV=CMKRNL > $ SET WATCH /CLASS=MAJOR FILE 	 > $ PHONE, > ...  > $ SET WATCH/CLASS=NONE FILEi > G >         See which files are being opened and then check to see if thegI > account you are using has the necessary priveleges to open all of thosea > files. > J >         Or, since there is a small probability that the above suggestionD > might crash your system, you could simply check the protections of( > PHONE.EXE [VMS$COMMON]SYSEXE.DIR, etc. > ) > Message text written by "Zane H. Healy"r< > >Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote:. > >  Check if PHONE.EXE is properly installed: > > $ INSTAL > >> LIST PHONE/FULL > < > >  and must see in the privilege list (at least have it in > > on-hand system): > > - SYSNAM > > - PRMMBX > > - WORLD 
 > > - OPER > > - NETMBX > 5 > In followup to this and the other two, replies.....  > L > I'm just trying to PHONE a user on the same node, haven't gotten as far as* > trying to PHONE someone on another node. > ? > Both user accounts in question have the following privileges:d > Authorized Privileges: >   NETMBX       TMPMBXe > Default Privileges:  >   NETMBX       TMPMBX  > 
 > $ instal > INSTALL> LIST PHONE/FULL > , > DISK$ALPHASYS3:<SYS0.SYSCOMMON.SYSEXE>.EXE+ >    PHONE;1          Open Hdr SharAddr Prvo) >         Entry access count         = 15 , >         Current / Maximum shared   = 0 / 1( >         Global section count       = 26 >         Privileges = SYSNAM PRMMBX WORLD OPER NETMBX6 >         Authorized = SYSNAM PRMMBX WORLD OPER NETMBX+ >         Resident section count     = 0000e > 
 > INSTALL> > <o   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:20:47 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile - Message-ID: <39D6D7BF.F8E88F49@tsoft-inc.com>    Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > David A Froble wrote:s >  > > "antonio.carlini" wrote: > > >u, > > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:G > > > > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;)a > > >m2 > > > I like to learn something knew every day ...9 > > > thank you for teaching me today that the calculatori' > > > accessory on W98 really sucks :-)  > > 0 > > Well, long before that, base16 really sucks. > >u > > 7 * 256 + 11 * 16 + 12 > >-3 > > Which part of that did the calculator choke on?  > B >  Come on guys, you have a hex to decimal converter in DCL. Thats" > how I worked out Brian's age :-) >  > $ zzz=%x28 > $ sh symb zzzW2 >   ZZZ = 40   Hex = 00000028  Octal = 00000000050 > 8 > Just why does one need to get Windows involved at all?  P It's not windoz so much as remembering when this was taught w/out computer help.   -- o4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 18:49:15 +0010v% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au + Subject: Re: This list participants profile-5 Message-ID: <01JUU06RCWO2004QLF@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>:   Dave Froble wrote:   >Tim Llewellyn wrote:e [snips]L  C >>  Come on guys, you have a hex to decimal converter in DCL. ThatsB# >> how I worked out Brian's age :-)  >> i
 >> $ zzz=%x28m >> $ sh symb zzz3 >>   ZZZ = 40   Hex = 00000028  Octal = 00000000050. >>  9 >> Just why does one need to get Windows involved at all?  >iL >It's not windoz so much as remembering when this was taught w/out computer  help.l    M Yeah, I was wondering why Tim needed any crutch to do the conversion for him.s   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,s
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiam   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,e; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.a   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 08:08:59 GMTt8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>( Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk( Message-ID: <39D6E861.2B2CF421@decus.fi>  = well, for small to medium amount of (text based) data I would @ simply login onto the system. Since you do not have the licensesA yet, you would have to login onto the VAX from console. Of courseT; this from a PC using decent terminal emulator. Then I wouldo   $ set terminal/hostsynce $ create paks.comT  9 and the on the PC either cut and paste the information orm9 whatever force the terminal emulator to send the contentsi5 of textfile to line. Finally  a <control-Z> and there- we are..  ; Sometimes I have done the reverse approach. I.e. I get ontot6 to VAX on console, start LAT protocol, enable outgoing connections and do   $ set host/log/lat xxxx8  7 and type the "file to transferred" on the other system.e  9 After all, all "old methods" are still usable even thoughc8 we nowadays have these fancy 10/100/1000 Mbit/s networks  and all fancy x-layer protocols.   _veli    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > A > Is it possible to read a PC floppy disk on a VaxStation 3100 orcA > to write a VMS type floppy on a PC??  I am trying to find a ways* > to move data (Hobbyist PAKs) to my 3100. >  > Thank you. >  > bill >  > --L > Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesF > bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. > University of Scranton   |@ > Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:44:18 -0400-* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>0 Subject: Re: VAXStation 4000/90 hardware failure- Message-ID: <39D6DD42.3219E186@tsoft-inc.com>(   trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote: > I > > > I'm clutching at straws I know, but I'm very reluctant to throw all 5 > > > those VUPS in the bin, so any help appreciated.-  L Just a thought on that.  N-VAX chips are not being mfg anymore.  Even if youC don't get the board working now, I'd not be so quick to discard it.   O The VAXstation 4000 model 90 is the first N-VAX chip, and not as interesting aso the later chips.   -- O4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:51:04 -04005* From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?*- Message-ID: <39D6DED8.54B88E84@tsoft-inc.com>f   Nigel Arnot wrote: > < > > I'm not saying whether I think BASIC is good or bad. :-) > >  > > -- > > Robert Deininger > > rdeininger@mindspring.com7 > 1 > It's neither good nor bad. But it sure is ugly!o >  > Sorry, irresistable.   That CAN get you in trouble.  P Ugly code is something produced by a programmer, and not always a problem in theO language.  VAX/DEC BASIC will accept a wide variety of formats, and some of the I best and the worst can and are produced there.  Then there's COBOL, where A verbose gets new meaning.  But the worst code in my opinion is C.    --  4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 19:25:35 +00107% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auM5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?*5 Message-ID: <01JUU1FT2WRM004VJS@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>o   Dave Froble wrote:   >Nigel Arnot wrote:  >>  = >> > I'm not saying whether I think BASIC is good or bad. :-)* >> > >> > --  >> > Robert DeiningerR >> > rdeininger@mindspring.com >> :2 >> It's neither good nor bad. But it sure is ugly! >> e >> Sorry, irresistable.F >  That CAN get you in trouble.  ) Especially not being able to spell it :-)2  N >Ugly code is something produced by a programmer, and not always a problem in  the P >language.  VAX/DEC BASIC will accept a wide variety of formats, and some of theJ >best and the worst can and are produced there.  Then there's COBOL, whereB >verbose gets new meaning.  But the worst code in my opinion is C.    L Fortran has always been considered as engendering "spaghetti" code.  Here I L totally agree with David, the "spaghetti" code was the programmers, not the P language.  Back in the '60s/70s, I am sure that I wrote my share of "spaghetti" N code.  I was a wondrous programmer who worked out clever tricks to reduce the B size of my code and to shave a millisecond off an executable time.  P As the concept of "structured programming" evolved, we neophyte programmers (no Q CS courses then, we came from other disciplines), reduced our "spaghetti-ness".  - Look at BLAS/LINPACK/EISPACK.   Q Even the verbosity of COBOL, that David mentioned, would have been valid for the BN people who learnt to use that as their programming tool -- non-maths guys who K were quite happy to think: ADD a TO b (it's a long while since I wrote any  . COBOL, but the gist is approximately correct).  O Unlike most languages, syntax (e.g., as discussed on comp.lang.fortran and the  O mailbase F90 for Fortran has generally one meaning) for the C language is very rI "loose".  Andrew Koenig's (?sp) "C TRaps and Pitfalls" seems to show the aL inadequacies of C for a strict syntax, even allowing for the standards.  {I P particularly find it anathemic to be able to do arithmetic in conditions.  Very I difficult to understand with multiple conditions which may or may not be  
 executed.}  P To revert On T, this is possibly why the porting problem is so prevalent.  Most O UNIX stuff is C based and each UNIX vendor can interpret C syntax as he/she/it -8 wishes.  Not necessarily as does his/her/its competitor.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,s
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, AustraliaC   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,-; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 09:39:40 +0100*  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS? + Message-ID: <VA.000000ec.000579d2@sture.ch>h  C In article <39D6DED8.54B88E84@tsoft-inc.com>, David A Froble wrote: ' > Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:51:04 -0400t, > From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 7 > Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?r >  > Nigel Arnot wrote: > > > > > > I'm not saying whether I think BASIC is good or bad. :-) > > >s > > > -- > > > Robert Deininger > > > rdeininger@mindspring.com  > > 3 > > It's neither good nor bad. But it sure is ugly!e > >  > > Sorry, irresistable. >  > That CAN get you in trouble. > R > Ugly code is something produced by a programmer, and not always a problem in theQ > language.  VAX/DEC BASIC will accept a wide variety of formats, and some of thehK > best and the worst can and are produced there.  Then there's COBOL, where C > verbose gets new meaning.  But the worst code in my opinion is C.M > R Remember the phrase "COBOL writer's cramp"? All block capitals too. Fortunately a S decent editor takes much of the pain out of writing COBOL, but back in the days of  # punched cards, it was indeed awful.S  K My first complaint about COBOL was that unlike other languages I had used, lL comments must be on a line of their own, which in itself discourages proper S commenting. Block of comments followed by a block of code? Each code line preceded aL by a comment line? Either way it's hard to read, and the third choice of no # comments is often seen in practice.k  
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