1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 02 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 550       Contents: 0j0 Super truco Linux  2550 P Re: Apache mod_perl startup problem (Assertion failed: file "ROOT$:[PERL5_005_03, Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversion2 CONTRARIAN "Buy Alert"                         953 Re: DECnet Plus phased out?  Re: Digital Business Link ; Re: FDDI joined interface configurations with Multinet v4.3 4 Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation8 Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation8 Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation8 Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation8 RE: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation8 RE: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation8 Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation2 Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.6 Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.! Is the bus strike affecting cets? % Re: Is the bus strike affecting cets? ( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?4 Re: SIGMAs (was: RE: This list participants profile)& Sockets ... IO$M_NOW and IO$M_NORSWAIT" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 08:48:03 GMT  From: reli@mixmail.com$ Subject: 0j0 Super truco Linux  2550: Message-ID: <7TCB5.260882$LH4.849048@telenews.teleline.es>  /  Para saber mas www.cambiaelchip.com/index2.htm   P Si quieres tener como fondo de imagen un salvapantalla deves hacer lo siguiente:J Antres de nada para una mejor visualizacion debes poner el fondo en Negro.  . Entra en xterm (kterm,konsole es indiferente ) desde las Xwindows(KDE) & localiza tus salvapantallas con locate
 locate kss[ seguidamente elige el que mas te guste y ejecuta desde el mismo terminal que tengas abierto  ej: kbouboule.kss -inroot & 2 el salvapantallas se activara como imagen de fondoJ en esa ventana podra observar el PID (identificacion del proceso)asignado.+ Para detener la ejecucion del salvapantalla  escribe en el terminal; kill <PID number> sustituya el PID number por la cifra real    Seguro que os gustara % Requisito aconsejado 128 Megas de Ram - zxlbwwxnsldrglxgztgqbgewixeckpiewphmjucjgujen    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 06:24:48 +0200. From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si>Y Subject: Re: Apache mod_perl startup problem (Assertion failed: file "ROOT$:[PERL5_005_03 0 Message-ID: <23UB5.1385$Cu4.16643@news.siol.net>   Hay,  K this was my first check. It's pointing on the right file (Compaq one). When G I redirect PERLSHR to my perlshr.exe, then I get a IDENTMISMATCH error.   1 When I use Compaq perl from DCL, it's working OK.    bets, Gorazd   --4 ----------------------------------------------------
 Gorazd Kikelj  OpenVMS system support Aster d.o.o. e-mail: gorazd.kikelj@aster.si www:  www.aster.si    < "Craig A. Berry" <craig.berry@psinetcs.com> wrote in message0 news:craig.berry-3009001848350001@172.16.52.1...B > In article <RqgB5.1270$Cu4.13320@news.siol.net>, "Gorazd Kikelj"! > <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si> wrote:  > C > > Whenever I start apache with mod_perl I get the following error  > > ; > > Apache mod_perl startup problem (Assertion failed: file * > > "ROOT$:[PERL5_005_03]MG.C;1, line 52." > > %SYSTEM-F-ABORT, Abort > > E > > I also have perl 5.005.03 from perl.org on the system but I setup 	 PERL_ROOT ? > > to point out only on Compaq perl root for testing purposes.  > >  > > Am I overlooked something? > L > If you have the logical PERLSHR defined, is it pointing to the appropriateF > place, i.e., the perlshr.exe that ships with the Compaq kit?  Just a) > guess, but the first thing to rule out.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 21:47:52 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>5 Subject: Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversion 4 Message-ID: <1001001213448.338A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  & On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Lee Gillie wrote:   > Thanks for the replies.  [...] . > double CvtVAXFLOATDtoMSREAL8( double inVal ) > { @ >  // Convert VAX/VMS FLOAT_D to Micorosft languages IEEE real*8* >  //   inVal - 8 bytes of VAX/VMS FLOAT_D0 >  // returns - 8 bytes of Microsoft/IEEE double	 Hi, Lee -    One thing worries me here.  D Treating inVal as a double might cause it to get normalized or causeB a floating point trap before your routine gets to map it.  Not allG binary bit patterns are legal floating point numbers, and the set that  H are illegal is probably different between VMS Float_D and IEEE double.  D Also a number with a zero mantissa but non-zero exponent or sign mayC get convert by the hardware to a true zero before your program ever E gets to see it.  (I am pretty sure a true 0 FLOAT_D number is 8 bytes 
 of zeros.)  A I would treat the input value to the function as either an 8-byte F integer or as an array of 8 unsigned bytes, and make sure any programs6 that call your convert function treat it the same way.  B I don't know if the details of your conversion are otherwise okay.   Hope this helps.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 04:07:04 -0700  From: return88@uole.com ; Subject: CONTRARIAN "Buy Alert"                         953 $ Message-ID: <278951383@MVB.SAIC.COM>   THE CONTRARIAN BUY ALERT:    Tidalwave Holdings Inc.  Symbol (TDWV-OTCBB)  Recent Price: $.14 52 Week Range: $.05 - $.40 Estimated Float: 7.7 Million' Shares Outstanding: 31.2 Million Shares   I When a public company changes its name and symbol, it often signals a new  direction for their stock.  R Tidalwave Holdings Inc. changed its name last month, and also lined up millions inQ financing for acquisitions. TDWV peaked above $1 back in April 1999, but then got M bogged down with the new SEC reporting requirements in July of last year. The P Company spent many months trading on the pink sheets, leading to an all-time low of 5 cents on 12/29/99.   O Now Tidalwave is back on the OTC Bulletin Board with a whole new attitude. They W recently acquired MobileHomeTrader.com for 3 million dollars, and hope to qualify for a P NASDAQ listing once the stock price improves. As their name suggests, MobileHomeY specializes in finding people who need mortgages for all types of "manufactured housing", A including the difficult to finance subprime and singlewide units.   [ They also just announced the availability of a new $5 million warehouse credit line to fund H loans originated by customers who use the MobileHomeTrader.com web site.  U In addition to the mortgage business, TDWV also operates a computer division offering F various Internet and software products. Please visit their website at:6 http://www.tidalwaveholdings.com for more information.  X The Contrarian suggests making purchases up to the $.50 area, with a long-term target of $1 plus.  F To SUBSCRIBE to future announcements or request ADDITIONAL INFORMATIONZ regarding Tidalwave Holdings Inc. please click on the appropriate link below and hit send.  5 mailto:reply20@21cn.com?subject=ADDTIONAL-INFORMATION   ) mailto:reply11@21cn.com?subject=SUBSCRIBE   A =================================================================  DISCLAIMER:   Z The Contrarian has received a fee of 56,000 shares of Tidalwave Holdings Inc. common stockh from a shareholder for the writing and distribution of this report. The Contrarian and/or its affiliates\ currently own shares of TDWV, and may buy or sell shares at any time after the disseminationa of this report. Because the publisher owns this stock, there may be a conflict of interest in The \ Contrarian's statements and opinions. The Contrarian is not a registered investment advisor,^ broker, or dealer. Purchase of this stock may be considered speculative, and may result in the+ loss of some or all of any investment made. A =================================================================  Removal Instructions:   _ The only way to deleted from further communication is to reply with exclude in the subject line G or double click on this link. mailto:exclude50@uole.com?subject=EXCLUDE    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:09:52 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> $ Subject: Re: DECnet Plus phased out?' Message-ID: <39D79A10.492D1F62@iee.org>    Didier Morandi wrote: H > So am I, but I dunno how I could become an "authorized COMPAQ trainingF > person" if I insist to offer DECnet training against COMPAQ will :-(  4 Have you tried contacting DECnet product management?  ; I'm sure that if you are finding difficulty in providing or ; receiving DECnet training they would be interested to know.    Antonio    --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:50:40 GMT ! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> " Subject: Re: Digital Business Link& Message-ID: <+nbGABAjmn15EwB4@gol.com>  @ In article <1000929180841.340C-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes $ >On 29 Sep 2000, Hoff Hoffman wrote: >  >>  J >> In article <uou8ts4fct2eqt29bcmuisa0oudqa10faj@4ax.com>, Mike Drabicky  ><drabicky#dallas.net> writes:J >> :If the people making those decisions would play outside the wall for aG >> :while, they might find it hard to get at information those of us in 3 >> :the Digital/Compaq world need on a daily basis.  >> :I >> :As for Digital/Compaq managers/decision makers listening to us out in ' >> :the field, nah, ain't gonna happen.  >>  G >>   The folks involved with BusinessLink do not follow this newsgroup.  >>  H >>   I have passed along specific feedback of my own, based on comments I >>   here, on my use of BusinessLink, and on various background business  % >>   factors related to BusinessLink.  >>  G >>   If you would like to register your comments with senior management I >>   here at Compaq, there are email addresses listed in the OpenVMS FAQ.  >>  Q >>  --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- O >>    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  > G >I have totally given up getting any pricing or even part # information  >from DECxxx Compaq. > I >The old printed DECDirect Catalogs used to be a fair source of technical G >info and a good source of pricing info, but the most recent one I have H >is a brief, very incomplete supplement from 2 years ago.  The last fullH >DECDirect catalog I have is Fall 1995.  I don't think these are printed
 >any more. > @ >The old printed Systems & Options Catalog was a great source ofB >technical info, but it always seemed hard to get these.  The most> >recent one I have (grabbed at DECUS) is January 1995.  SOC isA >supposedly online, but in a form that seems completely resistant B >to searching.  At least, I can never find anything I want to knowC >about.  And the old stuff (of special interest to hobbyists) seems " >to have never made it to the Web. > > >What we do now is go to a 3rd party re-seller that we and the> >customer feel comfortable with for quotes.  They seem to have. >access to the pricing and configuration info. > ? >But this makes it hard to do speculative planning, because you A >have to involve someone with a vested interest in selling stuff. B >(We are the software vendor only, so it makes no difference to us? >if the customer decides to add more disks to an existing HSZ70 @ >or upgrade to a dual-redundant pair of HSZ80's.  We can examine@ >the performance and reliability of each option objectively, but5 >the re-seller definitely wants to sell the upgrade.)  > = >Since it is impossible to find out what the part numbers and ; >prices are for adding a 2nd drive unit (what ever they are ; >called, the things that hold 4 shelves of 6 drives) to the < >exising HSZ70, or if it will mount in the existing cabinet,< >or what the power requirements are, or whether they need to< >upgrade the HSZ70 firmware to support this months' new disk< >drives, or whether it is possible to put a solid-state disk; >in it, or if it needs its own BAxxx shelf, etc. etc. etc., A >we have to get a potential hardware vendor involved much earlier ; >in the planning stage than we or our customers would like.  > ; >It is also impossible to cross check quotes.  For example, : >last month one customer upgraded a DS20 with an HSZ70 and8 >an HSZ80 by replacing the CPU with a ES40, adding a 2nd7 >dual redundant controller to both the HSZ70 and HSZ80, 7 >adding another pair of HSZ80s, and a whole slew of new 6 >disk drives.  1) A lot of the SCSI cables were wrong;9 >the Compaq installers had to grab some from their spares : >supply to test things out and/or jury-rig some cables out9 >of multiple short cables.  A few days later, the correct ; >cables arrived, and they had to shut down to install them. 8 >Ordering the correct cables in the 1st place would have2 >saved a prime-time reboot of a production system.; >2) There were no Cache Battery Backup units for the add-on 9 >HSZ70 and HSZ80.  (The new pair came with BBU's, but not 9 >the upgrades for the single controller to dual-redundant 8 >controllers.)  There were several other things wrong or) >missing that I can't remember right now.  > : >The point is if there was a source of information I could< >access, I could have sanity-checked the quote, and we would9 >have had at least a 50-50 chance of getting these things  >right.  >   D The Alpha Configuration Utility (ACU - download from the Compaq web-@ site) can be useful for estimating system prices and doing roughE comparisons of configurations.  However, it's only useful for current 1 hardware.   The American version includes prices.    Regards    Ian        --  
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:12:33 GMT - From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) D Subject: Re: FDDI joined interface configurations with Multinet v4.3. Message-ID: <39d7a7ac.399494@swen.process.com>  4 On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:11:29 +0100, John Macallister( <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk> wrote:  I >> In the release notes for Multinet v4.3 it mentions "joined interfaces  * >> must be connected to the same cable".   > L >The release notes state clearly ( perhaps not nowadays with so much twistedK >pair and fibre around ) that they're referring to Ethernet cabling which I C >understand to be thick/thin Ethernet cables which can have several ( >connections to the same piece of cable. > K >Although multiple interfaces using the same IP address might be a good way M >of enhancing throughput between two nodes it is something to be avoided on a K >general purpose network as the same IP address appearing in two physically J >different locations (i.e. different Ethernet MAC addresses ) will trigger$ >security alarms all over the place! > L >Don't do it in public but you're OK in private between two consenting nodes >:-) > E You're not actually giving two cards the same IP address.  The proper > way to set up the Paired Interface support is by configuring aF pseudo-device with the target IP address, then joining the two or moreA physical interfaces to that pseudo-device.  Packets can be routed D through either card, but all packets have the same IP address---thatB of the pseudo-device.  Between that and the proper ARP entries, itF all works just fine for two cards on the same subnet.  And if one cardA fails, the packets will automatically be routed through the other  card.   B So it's not assigning the same address to two cards, as much as itC telling the kernel that either, or both or all, can be used for the ' transmission of packets from X address.    Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ : goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:37:40 GMT 8 From: gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS (Gareth Boulton (on VMS))= Subject: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation / Message-ID: <U0PB5.158$Kc.22855@news.flash.net>   K I just replaced the ZLXp-E2 video card in my AlphaStation 200 4/233 with aneG Elsa GLoria Synergy. I installed the GRAPHICS PCSI kit, as mentioned ineK MGMT24 in the FAQ, and also put in the changes to DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUPOC that the GRAPHICS kit README states to use (setting myself at a lowsG refresh rate and a high-ish (but well within my monitor's capabilities)t resolution).  B Anyway, after the system reboots, it comes up (it boots orders of J magnitude faster, since it doesn't have to do a graphical scrolling of theG screen), and switches to graphical mode. The mouse pointer appears, theyG egg-timer appears, but I never get the "Welcome to [machine]" graphicali login anymore.  K Have I missed any steps? Why would it switch to graphical mode, and give mesK the mouse, but now take away my login screen? The rest of the system's fineeI (obviously - I'm writing this on a telnet session to it), but I'm bafflede/ why I've lost graphical login capabilities now.s  ! Any insight (always) appreciated!b Thanks :Gareth  -- d>  Gravissima calamitas umquam supra           | Gareth Boulton K  Occidentem accidens erat religio Christiana | gboulton(@)bigfoot(.)com.VMSpL       [Gore Vidal, 1987 CE]                  | [Remove .VMS for valid email]   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:46:39 GMTo8 From: gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS (Gareth Boulton (on VMS))A Subject: Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation-/ Message-ID: <j9PB5.161$Kc.22855@news.flash.net>a  j In article <U0PB5.158$Kc.22855@news.flash.net>, gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS (Gareth Boulton (on VMS)) writes:L >I just replaced the ZLXp-E2 video card in my AlphaStation 200 4/233 with anH >Elsa GLoria Synergy. I installed the GRAPHICS PCSI kit, as mentioned inL >MGMT24 in the FAQ, and also put in the changes to DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUPD >that the GRAPHICS kit README states to use (setting myself at a lowH >refresh rate and a high-ish (but well within my monitor's capabilities)
 >resolution).e >dC >Anyway, after the system reboots, it comes up (it boots orders of eK >magnitude faster, since it doesn't have to do a graphical scrolling of the H >screen), and switches to graphical mode. The mouse pointer appears, theH >egg-timer appears, but I never get the "Welcome to [machine]" graphical >login anymore.l >iL >Have I missed any steps? Why would it switch to graphical mode, and give meL >the mouse, but now take away my login screen? The rest of the system's fineJ >(obviously - I'm writing this on a telnet session to it), but I'm baffled0 >why I've lost graphical login capabilities now. >a" >Any insight (always) appreciated!  L Oops, I know it's bad form to reply to your own post, but I've just realised7 that I forgot to mention which version of VMS I'm on...   M OpenVMS 7.2 (when will 7.2-1 be made available to hobbyists?), and the latestS- firmware for AlphaStation 200 machines (7.0).H   Thanks :Garethu -- m>  Gravissima calamitas umquam supra           | Gareth Boulton K  Occidentem accidens erat religio Christiana | gboulton(@)bigfoot(.)com.VMStL       [Gore Vidal, 1987 CE]                  | [Remove .VMS for valid email]   ------------------------------  " Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 23:06:16 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>A Subject: Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation"' Message-ID: <G1rxIG.4Cv@spcuna.spc.edu>   : Gareth Boulton (on VMS) <gareth_b@pacbell.net.vms> writes:M > I just replaced the ZLXp-E2 video card in my AlphaStation 200 4/233 with an  > Elsa GLoria Synergy.  J   Ewwww! Why would you want to do that? In graphics mode, I think the ZLXpI is *much* nicer than the ELSA. I'm waiting for an inexpensive followon tolI the ELSA to be announced so I can ditch mine (the 300/350 are way too ex-eK pensive, and the DS10 firmware intentionally prevents the ZLXp's from work-a3 ing in VMS mode, though they work fine in NT mode).   D > Anyway, after the system reboots, it comes up (it boots orders of L > magnitude faster, since it doesn't have to do a graphical scrolling of theI > screen), and switches to graphical mode. The mouse pointer appears, thecI > egg-timer appears, but I never get the "Welcome to [machine]" graphical  > login anymore. >iM > Have I missed any steps? Why would it switch to graphical mode, and give me M > the mouse, but now take away my login screen? The rest of the system's fine K > (obviously - I'm writing this on a telnet session to it), but I'm baffledf1 > why I've lost graphical login capabilities now.r  M   This can be a number of things - my guess is an undetected SYSGEN parameteruK that's too small (DECW tries to check these and complain at startup, but ityH may miss a few). Are you running the latest DECW/Motif (1.2-5, I think)?  L   You could look in SYS$MANAGER:DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG and see if there are? any clues there. On my DS10/ELSA/VMS 7.2-1, it looks like this:v  2 30-SEP-2000 19:09:10.6 Hello, this is the X serverE This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS AXP V7.1-000406 3                 compiled on Apr  6 2000 at 01:14:25o Main address = 00028770n: Activating extension image DECW$SVEXT_Adobe_DPS_Extension,; extension name: Adobe-DPS-Extension, entry address 002F1DE0t* Activating extension image DECW$SVEXT_Xie,+ extension name: Xie, entry address 004EA788o0 Activating extension image DECW$SVEXT_DEC_XTRAP,1 extension name: DEC-XTRAP, entry address 005BC580-6 Activating extension image DECW$SVEXT_Multi_Buffering,7 extension name: Multi-Buffering, entry address 005FE090y2 DECW$TRANSPORT_COMMON image base address: 7C7540002 DECW$TRANSPORT_DECNET image base address: 00642000: %DECW-I-ATTACHED, transport DECNET attached to its network1 DECW$TRANSPORT_LOCAL image base address: 00792000l1 DECW$TRANSPORT_TCPIP image base address: 007D4000S9 %DECW-I-ATTACHED, transport TCPIP attached to its network,1 DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorp. AXP, Release 7.1.5 Shareable Image DDX GZ, InitOutput loaded at 00817360,  4 Permedia-2 (PowerStorm 4D10T) Server DDX for OpenVMS  / Copyright ) 1999, Digital Equipment Corporatione All Rights Reserved. h  $ Compiled on Nov 17 1999, at 11:16:07    Permedia-2: Init Screen Number 0K Permedia-2: Screen X 1280, Screen Y 1024, vsync 70 Hz, depth 8, density 100n Permedia-2: Map the CSRs( Permedia-2: CSR PFN:          0x40001040( Permedia-2: CSR VA:           0x009F00001 Permedia-2: CSR Size:         0x00020000 (128 KB)s1 Permedia-2: CSR Pages mapped: 0x00000100 (128 KB)h= Permedia-2: Memory aperture size reported is: 0x800000 (8 MB)c= Permedia-2: Actual memory size is:            0x800000 (8 MB)m  Permedia-2: Map the Frame Buffer( Permedia-2: Frame Buffer PFN: 0x40000800( Permedia-2: Frame Buffer VA:  0x00C00000/ Permedia-2: Memory Size:      0x00800000 (8 MB)r/ Permedia-2: FB Pages mapped:  0x00004000 (8 MB) 3 Permedia-2: Set driver geometry to match user setupt" cometInitProc: Call cfbInitVisuals# cometInitProc: Visuals Information:r%                - Root depth         8d%                - Number of depths   6t&                - Number of visuals  12(                - Root Visual        0x27? Permedia-2 on screen 0: Hardware acceleration for text disabled1) Permedia-2: Setup console for this devicen0 30-SEP-2000 19:09:17.4 Calling the dispatcher...1 30-SEP-2000 19:32:53.1 Client 1 resets the servertH 30-SEP-2000 19:32:53.3 DECWINDOWS DigitalEquipmentCorp. AXP, Release 7.15 Shareable Image DDX GZ, InitOutput loaded at 00817360   4 Permedia-2 (PowerStorm 4D10T) Server DDX for OpenVMS  / Copyright ) 1999, Digital Equipment Corporationr All Rights Reserved.    $ Compiled on Nov 17 1999, at 11:16:07    Permedia-2: Init Screen Number 0K Permedia-2: Screen X 1280, Screen Y 1024, vsync 70 Hz, depth 8, density 100 = Permedia-2: Memory aperture size reported is: 0x800000 (8 MB) = Permedia-2: Actual memory size is:            0x800000 (8 MB)s3 Permedia-2: Set driver geometry to match user setupe" cometInitProc: Call cfbInitVisuals# cometInitProc: Visuals Information: %                - Root depth         8 %                - Number of depths   6e&                - Number of visuals  12(                - Root Visual        0x27? Permedia-2 on screen 0: Hardware acceleration for text disabled ) Permedia-2: Setup console for this deviceo0 30-SEP-2000 19:32:54.6 Calling the dispatcher...  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comn5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAA   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:29:41 GMTd8 From: gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS (Gareth Boulton (on VMS))A Subject: Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installationo/ Message-ID: <VFQB5.240$Kc.28868@news.flash.net>t  R In article <G1rxIG.4Cv@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:; >Gareth Boulton (on VMS) <gareth_b@pacbell.net.vms> writes:gN >> I just replaced the ZLXp-E2 video card in my AlphaStation 200 4/233 with an >> Elsa GLoria Synergy.t >rI >Ewwww! Why would you want to do that? In graphics mode, I think the ZLXphJ >is *much* nicer than the ELSA. I'm waiting for an inexpensive followon toJ >the ELSA to be announced so I can ditch mine (the 300/350 are way too ex-L >pensive, and the DS10 firmware intentionally prevents the ZLXp's from work-4 >ing in VMS mode, though they work fine in NT mode).  O Since I know so little about VMS (despite the fact I really like it), and don'tGN have all the programs I need/like, I'm going to make my AlphaStation dual-bootO FreeBSD/alpha. However, since FreeBSD/alpha doesn't support TGA I had to changecJ the video card. I just don't have the free time to deal with the (massive)O learning curve that VMS is throwing at me (not having the latest version of VMS L available on the Hobbyist program doesn't help too... I've run into numerous1 problems in TCPIP 5.0-9 that are fixed in 5.0-A).e  E >> Anyway, after the system reboots, it comes up (it boots orders of nM >> magnitude faster, since it doesn't have to do a graphical scrolling of thenJ >> screen), and switches to graphical mode. The mouse pointer appears, theJ >> egg-timer appears, but I never get the "Welcome to [machine]" graphical >> login anymore.  >>N >> Have I missed any steps? Why would it switch to graphical mode, and give meN >> the mouse, but now take away my login screen? The rest of the system's fineL >> (obviously - I'm writing this on a telnet session to it), but I'm baffled2 >> why I've lost graphical login capabilities now. >eN >  This can be a number of things - my guess is an undetected SYSGEN parameterL >that's too small (DECW tries to check these and complain at startup, but itI >may miss a few). Are you running the latest DECW/Motif (1.2-5, I think)?l   My current MODPARAMS.DAT reads:s VAXCLUSTER=0 SCSNODE="WODEN"w SCSSYSTEMID=1029 MIN_GBLSECTIONS=700e PAGEFILE=25000  L This hasn't changed in several months. Are you saying I might need to modifyO one of these values, or add a new one, to get the login back? I had to increase N the MIN_GBLSECTIONS value some time ago after installing DEC C, because it wasO giving me an error trying to launch DECwindows. However, I get no errors of anym* kind this time around (just no login box).  H I don't know which version of DECW I'm on - other than it's the one that, shipped with VMS 7.2. The server log reports2  1-OCT-2000 03:24:04.5 Hello, this is the X serverE This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS AXP V7.1-990319G3                 compiled on Mar 19 1999 at 11:37:36:K Don't know if that's of any use... I've not applied any DECW ECOs, and haveI' only done the VMS72_UPDATE-V0200 patch.(  M >  You could look in SYS$MANAGER:DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG and see if there area@ >any clues there. On my DS10/ELSA/VMS 7.2-1, it looks like this:  > [Multiple snip - wonder where Line Delete is in the editor...]  M My error log looks fine. No complaints in it whatsoever. It's effectively thenG same as the one you posted. It did reveal it was running at a differentoN resolution to that which I'd specified in the PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM file...N which makes me wonder if that could have some bearing on the problem, though I2 doubt it, since I get the mouse/hourglass up fine.  K Additionally, is there a way to kill the X server and restart it? Something L along the lines of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace then "startx" from the command-line inM the Un*x world? At the moment I'm going through reboots to check any changes, O and it's (a) tedious and (b) probably unnecessary. Something along the lines ofn& a DECW$SHUTDOWN.COM would be nice. :-)   Thanks :Gareth    -- t>  Gravissima calamitas umquam supra           | Gareth Boulton K  Occidentem accidens erat religio Christiana | gboulton(@)bigfoot(.)com.VMSiL       [Gore Vidal, 1987 CE]                  | [Remove .VMS for valid email]   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 20:38:29 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>eA Subject: RE: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD82F@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----B > From: gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS [mailto:gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS]( > Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2000 8:30 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComXC > Subject: Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation  >  [snip] > >0@ > >  This can be a number of things - my guess is an undetected  > SYSGEN parameter? > >that's too small (DECW tries to check these and complain at i > startup, but it,: > >may miss a few). Are you running the latest DECW/Motif  > (1.2-5, I think)?V > ! > My current MODPARAMS.DAT reads:A > VAXCLUSTER=0 > SCSNODE="WODEN"i > SCSSYSTEMID=1029 > MIN_GBLSECTIONS=700n > PAGEFILE=25000  L 25000 pages for the page file is very small.  If you have the disk space you- probably want to change that last line to be:e   MIN_PAGEFILE=250000C   > @ > This hasn't changed in several months. Are you saying I might  > need to modify@ > one of these values, or add a new one, to get the login back?  > I had to increase ? > the MIN_GBLSECTIONS value some time ago after installing DEC m > C, because it was = > giving me an error trying to launch DECwindows. However, I   > get no errors of any, > kind this time around (just no login box). > > > I don't know which version of DECW I'm on - other than it's  > the one that. > shipped with VMS 7.2. The server log reports4 >  1-OCT-2000 03:24:04.5 Hello, this is the X serverG > This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS AXP V7.1-990319:5 >                 compiled on Mar 19 1999 at 11:37:360? > Don't know if that's of any use... I've not applied any DECW d > ECOs, and have) > only done the VMS72_UPDATE-V0200 patch.o > ? > >  You could look in SYS$MANAGER:DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG and m > see if there areB > >any clues there. On my DS10/ELSA/VMS 7.2-1, it looks like this: > @ > [Multiple snip - wonder where Line Delete is in the editor...] > @ > My error log looks fine. No complaints in it whatsoever. It's  > effectively the0@ > same as the one you posted. It did reveal it was running at a  > different:0 > resolution to that which I'd specified in the " > PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM file...? > which makes me wonder if that could have some bearing on the   > problem, though Is4 > doubt it, since I get the mouse/hourglass up fine. > @ > Additionally, is there a way to kill the X server and restart  > it? Somethingo? > along the lines of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace then "startx" from the   > command-line in3= > the Un*x world? At the moment I'm going through reboots to W > check any changes,? > and it's (a) tedious and (b) probably unnecessary. Something 0 > along the lines of( > a DECW$SHUTDOWN.COM would be nice. :-) >    Try:  # $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP RESTARTr   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 04:43:52 GMTd8 From: gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS (Gareth Boulton (on VMS))A Subject: RE: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installationa/ Message-ID: <coUB5.370$Kc.32881@news.flash.net>d  j In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD82F@berry.mvpsi.com>, John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes: >> -----Original Message-----  >[snip]e  " >> My current MODPARAMS.DAT reads: >> VAXCLUSTER=0  >> SCSNODE="WODEN" >> SCSSYSTEMID=1029  >> MIN_GBLSECTIONS=700 >> PAGEFILE=25000v >aM >25000 pages for the page file is very small.  If you have the disk space you=. >probably want to change that last line to be: >o >MIN_PAGEFILE=250000  O Sorry, hand-eye co-ordination problem. Missed the final 0 when copying from thes0 other window. My pagefile is at 250000 already.    >> eA >> This hasn't changed in several months. Are you saying I might a >> need to modify0A >> one of these values, or add a new one, to get the login back? j >> I had to increase@ >> the MIN_GBLSECTIONS value some time ago after installing DEC  >> C, because it was> >> giving me an error trying to launch DECwindows. However, I  >> get no errors of anyo- >> kind this time around (just no login box).  >> e? >> I don't know which version of DECW I'm on - other than it's   >> the one thatg/ >> shipped with VMS 7.2. The server log reportsa5 >>  1-OCT-2000 03:24:04.5 Hello, this is the X server H >> This is the DECwindows X11 display server for OpenVMS AXP V7.1-9903196 >>                 compiled on Mar 19 1999 at 11:37:36@ >> Don't know if that's of any use... I've not applied any DECW  >> ECOs, and haves* >> only done the VMS72_UPDATE-V0200 patch. >> <	 >> [snip]4 >> CA >> My error log looks fine. No complaints in it whatsoever. It's S >> effectively theA >> same as the one you posted. It did reveal it was running at a a >> different1 >> resolution to that which I'd specified in the f# >> PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM file...u@ >> which makes me wonder if that could have some bearing on the  >> problem, though I5 >> doubt it, since I get the mouse/hourglass up fine.a >> y	 >> [snip]> >> > >s >Try:g >l$ >$ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP RESTART >g) Thank you. That saves me several minutes!o  2 Now if only I could login at the system again. :-)   :Garethn -- l>  Gravissima calamitas umquam supra           | Gareth Boulton K  Occidentem accidens erat religio Christiana | gboulton(@)bigfoot(.)com.VMSnL       [Gore Vidal, 1987 CE]                  | [Remove .VMS for valid email]   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 04:37:32 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>A Subject: Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation-+ Message-ID: <VA.000000ee.0417391f@sture.ch>-  H In article <VFQB5.240$Kc.28868@news.flash.net>, Gareth Boulton (on VMS)  wrote:   <My multiple snip>  h  @ > [Multiple snip - wonder where Line Delete is in the editor...] >   G If you are using EDIT/EDT, then it's PF4. CTRL-U to delete back to the iE beginning of the line. If you haven't done it already, inserting the eH following line into your login.com, that will map EDIT/TPU (the default  editor) to the same key.      $ define eve$keypad edt  D (If you are using a PC keyboard, PF4 might be the minus sign on the  numeric keypad.) ___C
 Paul Sture Switzerland          ___l
 Paul Sture Switzerlande   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 03:18:31 GMTJ From: msharty@home.com (MJS); Subject: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.t9 Message-ID: <39d7f8fc.725409457@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com>   B We have been running merrily along on an Alpha 275/4 server for 4+C years now.  However, our application software will not run on neweroE verions of OPEN VMS, and the vendor has announced the dis-continuance , of support for it within the next two years.  F We have begun a process of moving our day to day file systems to NT4.0% along with a couple of new functions.i   Specifically, we are "stuck" ats   OpenVMS 6.2-1H3  pathworks V5.0Cf
 DOS LM 2.1  ? We are currently running pathworks to our 95 clients.  They are B running TCP/IP and netbeui now.  Our network consists of 3 class CC address spaces, linked with routers.  Each subnet can see their ownoB PC's but none of the ones on the other 2 networks,  They can reach> each other via known TCP/IP addresses for each machine though.  F I can make a client log into the NT box, I can log into pathworks, but I can not log into both.  @ I can not seem to get Nt to log into the ALpha.  I can see it inF network neighborhood, but when I click on the serber I get no pathworkF license.  My V5.0 software will not load on the Nt server as a client.  A I had the NT box set up as a PDC.  It has WINS enabled.  PointingiA clients (W95) TCP/IP stacks to the WINS server (enabled) does not : allow 2 PC's to see each other across the entoire network.   What I need to accomplish:  > 1)	I want to be able to log into my file spaces ( per user) in@ both NT and Pathworks, and be able to move files between them as needed.g  > 2)	I want all desktop PC's to show up in Network neighborhood.  E From the previous messages posted, I'm hoping that my system softwareHA is new enough to make this happen.  We updated as far as we coulddF without killing our app software as part of the Y2K process so I don't think I can go further.m  D I can not find a single reference to pathworks on the Microsoft site so I'm out of luck there.e  B If I could get NT to see the files ( log-in) to the Alpha, I might+ then be able to share those connections....r  & Any help would be greatly appreciated.  & I can be reached at ;  sharty@ccbs.com  2 Thank you in advance for your help in this matter,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:54:50 -0400 * From: David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com>? Subject: Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.r- Message-ID: <39D8151A.66E44058@tsoft-inc.com>w  
 MJS wrote: > D > We have been running merrily along on an Alpha 275/4 server for 4+E > years now.  However, our application software will not run on neweraG > verions of OPEN VMS, and the vendor has announced the dis-continuancel. > of support for it within the next two years. > H > We have begun a process of moving our day to day file systems to NT4.0' > along with a couple of new functions.o  M Wrong direction.  Announce to the software vendor your dis-continuance of the M use of their product in the next 2 years.  Also seriously inform them that if L they want your business, that VMS is mandatory, including supporting current versions of VMS.  O If your vendor isn't willing to support your configuration, announce your needs.N to other vendors.  don't know what the application is, cannot say more without additional information.    Dave   -- s4 David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-04504 Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596> DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com6 T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:40:18 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>h* Subject: Is the bus strike affecting cets?E Message-ID: <m3PB5.2400$0n.207648@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>c  G Any updates?  Should I be sure to bring along my hiking shoes tomorrow?r   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 22:18:06 -0500f7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> . Subject: Re: Is the bus strike affecting cets?, Message-ID: <39D7FE6E.CF452F5@earthlink.net>   John Nixon wrote:  > I > Any updates?  Should I be sure to bring along my hiking shoes tomorrow?d   I'm bringing mine!   -- t David J. Dachterar dba DJE Systemsy http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/u  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.c   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2000 21:06:47 -0500'3 From: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.harvard.edu>h1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?a, Message-ID: <39d7dfa7.0@cfanews.harvard.edu>  ( D.Webb <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:  L : Just upgraded our Academic Alpha cluster to VMS 7.2-1 and put on  JDK 1.2.  $ : Are people using ODS-5 a lot yet ?  8 : Any problems with applications or any other problems ?  J   We are running a 4-Alpha cluster on VMS 7.2-1 and most of the non-systemF disks are ODS-5.  For the better part of a year, we've had no problemsI with the new file structure.  Until last night.  At some point last night J we lost the cluster (probably as a result of network congestion) and threeK of the four Alpha's rebooted themselves, disrupting several large overnight H computations.  We recovered the cluster this morning, apparently withoutL any problems.  Fifteen minutes ago we noticed that there were repeated filesL in the directory listing of one user's directory.  By repeated, I mean filesE with the same filename and *version number*!  This was a directory inn: which one of afore-mentioned overnight jobs was executing.   $ dir [.keep]k00o*.e;r  " Directory D25:[USER.PROCESS3.KEEP]  G K00O04S.E;1         K00O05B.E;1         K00O05G.E;1         K00O05H.E;1aG K00O05N.E;1         K00O17L.E;1         K00O20S.E;1         K00O20X.E;1oL K00O21D.E;1         K00O22Q.E;1         K00O35K.E;1         K00O35Q.E;1   **L K00O39K.E;1         K00O42U.E;1         K00O35Q.E;1         K00O39K.E;1   **L K00O42U.E;1         K00O43S.E;1         K00O44B.E;1         K00O47N.E;1   **G K00O47Q.E;1         K00O47R.E;1         K00O47Z.E;1         K00O48A.E;1uG K00O48O.E;1         K00O48V.E;1         K00O49V.E;1         K00O50F.E;1tG K00O51W.E;1         K00O52T.E;1         K00O61C.E;1         K00O61E.E;1k   Total of 32 files.  H Note that the files K00O35Q.E, K00O39K.E and K00O42U.E are repeated (the9 three lines containing the affected files are marked **).t  E We fixed the problem in this case by deleting the files with repeatedsE entries and regenerating them.  But it is somewhat worrying that thise could happen...      -- eH ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.+ Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet CentersH gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html7 OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systemsm   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 01:33:55 GMTn/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>o1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?eG Message-ID: <7CRB5.11675$s76.815087@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   H We recently encountered a similar problem on a disk in our cluster.  TheI cluster consisted of three VAX 7860s at VMS 7.1 and two Alphas at VMS 6.2n (since upgraded to 7.2-1).  I Fortunately we did not have any real problems as they were log files.  WeeI found the problem when performing a backup of the disk to another (empty)eJ disk and we started getting duplicate file errors.  When doing a directoryJ of the files, I found that many files were duplicates, down to the versionL number.  They were different actual files, with different dates and data andI different file ids.   We could only see them when doing a directory using K ";*"   If we used specific version numbers, we only saw one file.  This was  on ODS2 disks.  J We still have no explanation, and I too am a little worried. We have had aJ troublesome history of crashes on these systems (Yes, they are VMS systems  with all known patches applied).  > "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.harvard.edu> wrote in message& news:39d7dfa7.0@cfanews.harvard.edu... >rL >   We are running a 4-Alpha cluster on VMS 7.2-1 and most of the non-systemH > disks are ODS-5.  For the better part of a year, we've had no problemsK > with the new file structure.  Until last night.  At some point last nightAL > we lost the cluster (probably as a result of network congestion) and threeC > of the four Alpha's rebooted themselves, disrupting several large 	 overnighttJ > computations.  We recovered the cluster this morning, apparently withoutH > any problems.  Fifteen minutes ago we noticed that there were repeated fileseH > in the directory listing of one user's directory.  By repeated, I mean filestG > with the same filename and *version number*!  This was a directory in < > which one of afore-mentioned overnight jobs was executing. >h > $ dir [.keep]k00o*.e;  > $ > Directory D25:[USER.PROCESS3.KEEP] >lI > K00O04S.E;1         K00O05B.E;1         K00O05G.E;1         K00O05H.E;1hI > K00O05N.E;1         K00O17L.E;1         K00O20S.E;1         K00O20X.E;1nI > K00O21D.E;1         K00O22Q.E;1         K00O35K.E;1         K00O35Q.E;1n **I > K00O39K.E;1         K00O42U.E;1         K00O35Q.E;1         K00O39K.E;1  **I > K00O42U.E;1         K00O43S.E;1         K00O44B.E;1         K00O47N.E;1  **I > K00O47Q.E;1         K00O47R.E;1         K00O47Z.E;1         K00O48A.E;1eI > K00O48O.E;1         K00O48V.E;1         K00O49V.E;1         K00O50F.E;1EI > K00O51W.E;1         K00O52T.E;1         K00O61C.E;1         K00O61E.E;1- >- > Total of 32 files. > J > Note that the files K00O35Q.E, K00O39K.E and K00O42U.E are repeated (the; > three lines containing the affected files are marked **).D >CG > We fixed the problem in this case by deleting the files with repeated G > entries and regenerating them.  But it is somewhat worrying that thise > could happen...d >  >o > --J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------J > Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.- > Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet Center J > gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html9 > OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systemsu   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2000 16:30:17 -0500M From: shumaker@eisner.decus.orgR= Subject: Re: SIGMAs (was: RE: This list participants profile)0+ Message-ID: <78kV8Eeulzbi@eisner.decus.org>a  l In article <200009292155_MC2-B53F-4373@compuserve.com>, "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes:B > The SDS 900 series machines (910, 920,925?, and 930) were 24-bit
 > machines...h  > > > Message text written by INTERNET:shumaker@eisner.decus.org
 > > <snip>C > > BPM, CP-V, and CP-6 starting in 1971 with a Tymshare account on B > > an 12-bit SDS 930 (IIRC) and progressing through XDS (560) and
 > > <snip>  E Yup; sorry.  I don't know what I was thinking ('word' length maybe?).e  
 Mark Shumakerl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:29:13 GMTi3 From: "MrSignor" <MrSignor@nospam_bellatlantic.net>v/ Subject: Sockets ... IO$M_NOW and IO$M_NORSWAITh7 Message-ID: <tFQB5.4220$uO1.237942@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>s   hi,o  0 In respect of sockets UCX/Multinet + TcpWare ...  3 Assuming you agree with the following statement ...o  9 IO$M_NORSWAIT seems to be a superset of IO$M_NOW, because C IO$M_NORSWAIT is indicating "dont suspend" me if i run out of quotaS@  (any quota, ast's, dio,bio etc), whereas IO$M_NOW would seem to6 indicate "dont suspend" me if there is NOT enough room$ in the socket to complete the write.  D Q1 When would you WANT to specify both IO$M_NORSWAIT + IO$M_NOW whenI       performing an asynchronous WRITE to any of the above socket devices   H Q2 Do all of the above IP stacks support both IO$M_NORSWAIT + IO$M_NOW ?   Thanks inadvance   -Fred    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:18:48 +0100o+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>o+ Subject: Re: This list participants profiler' Message-ID: <39D79C28.DCA3C0E3@iee.org>e   David A Froble wrote:r >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote: > >o > > David A Froble wrote:- > >a > > > "antonio.carlini" wrote: > > > >n. > > > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:I > > > > > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;)d > > > >a4 > > > > I like to learn something knew every day ...; > > > > thank you for teaching me today that the calculatorS) > > > > accessory on W98 really sucks :-)- > > >-2 > > > Well, long before that, base16 really sucks. > > >a > > > 7 * 256 + 11 * 16 + 12 > > >n5 > > > Which part of that did the calculator choke on?a > >rD > >  Come on guys, you have a hex to decimal converter in DCL. Thats$ > > how I worked out Brian's age :-) > >C > > $ zzz=%x28 > > $ sh symb zzzr4 > >   ZZZ = 40   Hex = 00000028  Octal = 00000000050 > > : > > Just why does one need to get Windows involved at all? > R > It's not windoz so much as remembering when this was taught w/out computer help.  < For the record I saw 28 and 7BC and realised it was hex ... > in fact I thought it worked out quite neatly. The day I cannot< do 28(16) to 40(10) in my head is the day I stop working :-)/ but 7BC does not crop up often enough for me to 9 know immediately that it is 1980. All I had handy was the>* W98 calculator so I fired it up and typed: 	7*256+11*16+12I and ended up with 28860.  > This has to be the first time since about the early 1970s that? I have found a calculator that doesn't handle normal arithmetice rules of precedence properly!C   Antoniot   -- >   --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgt   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2000 20:36:37 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)-+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilep, Message-ID: <8r878l$28br$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  0 In article <8r2mba$7mt$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>,*  david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) writes:z |> In article <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009290802510.25999-100000@triangle.cs.uofs.edu>, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> writes:: |> >On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Arne [iso-8859-1] Vajh=F8j wrote: |> > |> >>=20E |> >> Anybody heard a story about Unix systems with uptime >5 years ?c |> >>=20 |> >J |> >I don't know any unix Sysadmin who thinks that's significant enough toI |> >keep track of. I have no doubt that if the power here didn't get shut'G |> >off campus-wide every Good Friday all of mine would beat that mark.s |> oM |> You mean that if they weren't shutdown every Good Friday your Unix systems,A |> would not have been shutdown (taken into single-user mode) for ) |> security patches in over 5 years ?????P  F You mean people there haven't upgraded to a more recent version of VMSC in over 5 years??  Or should I assume you can upgrade VMS without aaB reboot??  I would be very skeptical of anyone who's siad they haveC machines running with 5 years of uptime for exactly the reasons yourC give above.  And it doesn't matter if they are running Unix, VMS or I MVS.  But the question was primarily about the stability of the machines.rD And contrary to what many here would like to believe, modern Unix isF every bit as stable as VMS.  VMS may offer features that Unix doesn't,E but the opposite is also true.  But when it comes to stability, it isnG totally up to the administrator.  If the machine is run as a productionr machine, it can be run stabely.]  D Truth is, I almost never install patches.  It is usually cleaner to E just upgrade to the newest version of the OS.  But I do have machinesiF here that are still running a three year old version of FreeBSD.  I amD a strong believer of the adage " If it ain't broken, don't fix it!!"F All of them are about to be replaced with more up to date hardware andF along with this will come the latest production version of the OS.  InI all cases, the new machine will be in place before the old one is retired0D and by judiciuos administrating, Most users will not even notice the switchover.y   |> lH |> And your working with Hackers - sorry students - in a University.  :)  F We have not been hacked here since I dumped SunOS 4.1.4.  Which is, ofJ course, one of the primary reasons why we dumped SunOS in the first place.G I have never had a box running any current version of BSD hacked, (thatfG I know of, which applies to VMS as well.)  And as for our own students, C I have never had a box hacked by one of my own.  It has always beensD from out on the INTERNET.  We keep our students busy enough working F with internals that hacking into the servers wouldn't accomplish much.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 17:48:30 -0400n2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilep7 Message-ID: <200010011748_MC2-B560-6115@compuserve.com>i  J         Really!  It performed the operations indicated in the order given= . =   G My Palm III gives the same result.  It's the result I'd expect from anya calculator that I've ever used.C  D         Now if you give it to a program that parses the whole thing,J applies the "rules" and performs it as (7*256) + (11*16) + 12,  then, and=  J only then, do you get 1980.  I've never seen a calculator that does that.=  =  H My old H-P 35 which used Reverse Polish Notation could have done it yourJ way with relative ease but you'd still have had to push the buttons in th= e, right sequence to get 1980.f    2 Message text written by INTERNET:arcarlini@iee.org >All I had handy was the* W98 calculator so I fired it up and typed:         7*256+11*16+12 and ended up with 28860.  > This has to be the first time since about the early 1970s that? I have found a calculator that doesn't handle normal arithmeticl rules of precedence properly!g <    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 00:51:03 GMTr' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) + Subject: Re: This list participants profiler0 Message-ID: <8r8m5n$sf9$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  ` In article <8r878l$28br$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:1 >In article <8r2mba$7mt$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>,g+ > david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) writes:o{ >|> In article <Pine.LNX.4.10.10009290802510.25999-100000@triangle.cs.uofs.edu>, Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> writes:o; >|> >On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Arne [iso-8859-1] Vajh=F8j wrote:O >|> >,	 >|> >>=20nF >|> >> Anybody heard a story about Unix systems with uptime >5 years ?	 >|> >>=20r >|> > K >|> >I don't know any unix Sysadmin who thinks that's significant enough tolJ >|> >keep track of. I have no doubt that if the power here didn't get shutH >|> >off campus-wide every Good Friday all of mine would beat that mark. >|> N >|> You mean that if they weren't shutdown every Good Friday your Unix systemsB >|> would not have been shutdown (taken into single-user mode) for* >|> security patches in over 5 years ????? >aG >You mean people there haven't upgraded to a more recent version of VMSaD >in over 5 years??  Or should I assume you can upgrade VMS without a >reboot??  r  G Not individual machines. But certainly clusters can be upgraded without  the users seeing any downtime.  9 >I would be very skeptical of anyone who's siad they havetD >machines running with 5 years of uptime for exactly the reasons youD >give above.  And it doesn't matter if they are running Unix, VMS orJ >MVS.  But the question was primarily about the stability of the machines.E >And contrary to what many here would like to believe, modern Unix iscG >every bit as stable as VMS.  VMS may offer features that Unix doesn't,wF >but the opposite is also true.  But when it comes to stability, it isH >totally up to the administrator.  If the machine is run as a production  >machine, it can be run stabely. >?E >Truth is, I almost never install patches.  It is usually cleaner to  F >just upgrade to the newest version of the OS.  But I do have machinesG >here that are still running a three year old version of FreeBSD.  I am E >a strong believer of the adage " If it ain't broken, don't fix it!!"eG >All of them are about to be replaced with more up to date hardware andlG >along with this will come the latest production version of the OS.  InlJ >all cases, the new machine will be in place before the old one is retiredE >and by judiciuos administrating, Most users will not even notice thes >switchover. >- >|> I >|> And your working with Hackers - sorry students - in a University.  :)W >iG >We have not been hacked here since I dumped SunOS 4.1.4.  Which is, ofoK >course, one of the primary reasons why we dumped SunOS in the first place.hH >I have never had a box running any current version of BSD hacked, (thatH >I know of, which applies to VMS as well.)  And as for our own students,D >I have never had a box hacked by one of my own.  It has always beenE >from out on the INTERNET.  We keep our students busy enough working  G >with internals that hacking into the servers wouldn't accomplish much.w  L All I can say is your very very lucky. Our Unix (Solaris) systems are hackedN very very quickly if we don't keep up to date with the latest patches. And yesM on more than one occasion it has been tracked to our own University students.o  G I don't know of any BSD machines at our University and so can't commentm  directly on their vulnerability.L However a quick look at securityfocus turned up a number of buffer overflowsC and other vulnerabilities which your systems may be vulnerable to -s7 according to what software versions you have installed.g     eg  * FreeBSD eject Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilty BugTraq ID 1686.  0 screen User supplied Format String Vulnerability( (Affects versions of FreeBSD and NetBSD) Bugtraq ID 1641     < GNOME esound Unix Domain Socket Race Condition Vulnerability BugTraq ID 1659;   .  .  .O   etc       N Most of the people who try to hack into our Unix systems aren't expert hackersG they are just script kiddies who use resources such as Securityfocus to ( find and try the latest vulnerabilities.    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University       >8 >bill  >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves.E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.0 >University of Scranton   |UB >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 02:35:03 GMTi! From: "dls2" <dlshearer@home.com>i+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilei< Message-ID: <rvSB5.27443$ib7.4003939@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>  * "D.Webb" <david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk> wrote: > (Bill Gunshannon) writes:a: > >You mean people there haven't upgraded to a more recent; > >version of VMS in over 5 years??  Or should I assume youh% > >can upgrade VMS without a reboot??  >n8 > Not individual machines. But certainly clusters can be1 > upgraded without the users seeing any downtime.0  3 Individual machines only when clustered internally,t0 through the use of GALAXY.  The virtual machines+ would still require "rebooting", I imagine.5       --  Derrick Shearern   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2000 23:10:30 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)X5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?g, Message-ID: <8r8g96$2b5e$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  - In article <39D6DED8.54B88E84@tsoft-inc.com>, -  David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:h |>S |> Ugly code is something produced by a programmer, and not always a problem in thegR |> language.  VAX/DEC BASIC will accept a wide variety of formats, and some of theL |> best and the worst can and are produced there.  Then there's COBOL, whereD |> verbose gets new meaning.  But the worst code in my opinion is C.  C I've said it before and I'll say it again.  The quality of the code D has nothing to do with the language used.  Juast as I can write veryB readable (and thus very maintainable) code in C so too I can writeC pure garbage in Ada, Pascal and yes, even COBOL.  I know, I've donehD it to provide examples for classes in the past.  Ever see COBOL withE all the optional parts left out and with 2 character variable names??g It's legit, and it's garbage.   F It isn't the language.  It is the fact that the advances in technologyE have put powerful hardware and sophisticated development tools in thenC hands of totally unprepared "programmers".  And like the proverbialaC 100 monkeys with typewriters, they are churning out massive amountstE of garbage.  And the Internet provides a way to scaqtter this garbageWC throughout the world without so much as a peer review.  So much fore software engineering.o  E But it still isn't the fault of the language or the OS they choose tooE use.  If VMS were free and ran on commodity hardware, the world wouldi6 be flooded with garbage VMS software written in BLISS.   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   0   ------------------------------   Date: 1 Oct 2000 21:26:08 -0400 / From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)95 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?0* Message-ID: <8r8o7g$3i8$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <8r8g96$2b5e$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>,) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote: . >In article <39D6DED8.54B88E84@tsoft-inc.com>,. > David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes: >|>OT >|> Ugly code is something produced by a programmer, and not always a problem in theS >|> language.  VAX/DEC BASIC will accept a wide variety of formats, and some of theEM >|> best and the worst can and are produced there.  Then there's COBOL, whereDE >|> verbose gets new meaning.  But the worst code in my opinion is C.p >eD >I've said it before and I'll say it again.  The quality of the codeE >has nothing to do with the language used.  Juast as I can write very-C >readable (and thus very maintainable) code in C so too I can writeSD >pure garbage in Ada, Pascal and yes, even COBOL.  I know, I've doneE >it to provide examples for classes in the past.  Ever see COBOL with/F >all the optional parts left out and with 2 character variable names?? >It's legit, and it's garbage. >-G >It isn't the language.  It is the fact that the advances in technologysF >have put powerful hardware and sophisticated development tools in theD >hands of totally unprepared "programmers".  And like the proverbialD >100 monkeys with typewriters, they are churning out massive amountsF >of garbage.  And the Internet provides a way to scaqtter this garbageD >throughout the world without so much as a peer review.  So much for >software engineering. >s  G While I agree that bad programs can be written in any language, I thinkaH it is overreaching to say that "The quality of the code has _nothing_ to do with the language used."y  F The oft-heard complaints about the quality of C programs predated bothA the recent explosive growth of the Free Software movement and the:$ common availability of the Internet.  B Some languages get in your way and make it more difficult to write? better software.  A language that has as it's common method for ? accessing arrays as through pointers, thus making array bounds u? checking problematic, is bound to produce more latent bugs that  are difficult to track.   B On the other hand, C is a great language exactly because it allowsE such easy access to data through pointers.  This makes it appropriatewC for writing operating systems and embedded systems.  I believe that F these facts caused good C implementations to be universally available ? and was the obvious choice for portability.  Portability becameo@ something of a touchstone for serious programming in the last 20. years, so C/C++ (and now Java) are king today.    F >But it still isn't the fault of the language or the OS they choose toF >use.  If VMS were free and ran on commodity hardware, the world would7 >be flooded with garbage VMS software written in BLISS.r >e    I don't agree with this, at all.   >billi >  >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner., >University of Scranton   |eB >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      -Jordan Hendersont jordan@greenapple.come   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.550 ************************