1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 02 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 551       Contents:P Re: Apache mod_perl startup problem (Assertion failed: file"ROOT$:[PERL5_005_03] Backup Software  RE: Backup Software  Can I delete off SYSDUMP.DMP? ! Re: Can I delete off SYSDUMP.DMP? ! Re: Can I delete off SYSDUMP.DMP?  DEC consultant wanted  Re: DECnet Plus phased out?  Re: DECnet Plus phased out?  Re: DELQAs for disposal E Duplicate File Issues (Was: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?)  Re: ECO mailing listA Free demo License for ISE EnterpriseSchedule and EnterpriseBackup 8 Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installation6 Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.6 Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.- How to unpack .BCK files in a non-VMS/VAX OS? 1 Re: How to unpack .BCK files in a non-VMS/VAX OS? 1 Re: How to unpack .BCK files in a non-VMS/VAX OS? 1 Re: How to unpack .BCK files in a non-VMS/VAX OS? % Re: Is the bus strike affecting cets?  Re: missing/extra Diskquota  Re: missing/extra Diskquota ( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? Re: Privileges needed for PHONE  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE 0 Rectification error :0j0 Super truco Linux  1525% Re: restart an Alpha ETN42-CA machine % Re: restart an Alpha ETN42-CA machine  Re: SOAP Re: SOAP RE: SOAP Re: SOAP: Solved: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DAT" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk  Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk  Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk  VMS 6.1 manual set0 re: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 02:20:56 -0400 (EDT) " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>Y Subject: Re: Apache mod_perl startup problem (Assertion failed: file"ROOT$:[PERL5_005_03] F Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010020219390.6170-100000@tuatha.sidhe.org>  ( On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Gorazd Kikelj wrote:   > Hay, > M > this was my first check. It's pointing on the right file (Compaq one). When I > I redirect PERLSHR to my perlshr.exe, then I get a IDENTMISMATCH error.  > 3 > When I use Compaq perl from DCL, it's working OK.   G Yeah, there's some strange interaction between mod_perl, perl, and some H installations. It works absolutely fine in some places, yet in others itF dies with that assertion error in MG.C. We've not yet managed to track1 down why, unfortunately, but we're working on it.    					Dan   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:06:10 GMT  From: v.abrams@gte.net Subject: Backup Software) Message-ID: <8rabpb$p96$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   @ I need to buy Backup Software for unattended backup using a tapeC jukebox. I am currently thinking of ABS from Compaq or Tapesys from F Software Partners. I back up approximately 140 GB which will double in the next few years.   ? Does anyone have any recommendations from your own experience ?     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:40:59 -0400 : From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: RE: Backup SoftwareK Message-ID: <91A9507020DBD311992F0008C709517C545BCE@MBCALBEXC00.BENDER.COM>   B > I need to buy Backup Software for unattended backup using a tapeE > jukebox. I am currently thinking of ABS from Compaq or Tapesys from H > Software Partners. I back up approximately 140 GB which will double in > the next few years.  > A > Does anyone have any recommendations from your own experience ?   E I would guess you are backing up OpenVMS, but anything else?  Pending ? on what else, you might get quite different answers from folks.   E I use ABS 3.0B built 51 on a development system with about 980 gigs,  D and have been fairly happy.  I had to write a fair amount of DCL to A integrate Media Robot software with ABS and MDMS with a TL896 on  C OpenVMS 7.2-1.  The TL896 has a single tape injection port, and to  G import tapes without openning up the TL896 required use of Media Robot  C software.  But MDMS is blind to Media Robot and vice versa, so one  B has to sync them before proceeding or things will get foo bar'd.    B I wanted a backup solution with miminal operator intervention and C understanding, so I had to write DCL script to init tapes, and add  @ them to the MDMS database.  I also had to write script to break = off a shadowset member, do media duplication, and export the  ; first the first tapes in the ATL out.  The DCL scripts are  ) rapped by a simple menu for operator use.   F The ABS GUI is not all emcompassing for operator use.  The ABS GUI is C nice, but rather have my operators using both a X-window GUI and a  H simple menu, I choose to keep them in a simple in-house DCL driven menu.  D I was not happy with ABS 3.0A or early versions of 3.0B.  Buggy and = some functionality lacking.  ABS 3.0B build 51 has been good.   G I also use ISE (www.i-s-e.com) EnterpriseSchedule and EnterpriseBackup  K on a production OpenVMS system with about 440 gigs.  I have found it to be  C reliable, and a bit more flexible.  However, with that flexibility  F comes the opportunity to screw things up more.  Thank goodness ISE hasE excellent software support.  I find the ISE scheduling product to be  F very nice for beyond scheduling backups.  I am not sure how good they B support ATL like tape units in comparison to ABS.  From what I seeE there is the option to roll your own ATL support, but not out of the  E box functionality already coded.  I guess I would have to say that is - where ABS and MDMS have the upperhand on ISE.   D Know of TAPESYS, but others who use, would be better to hear from.     :) jck JKoska@bender.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:45:43 +0800 5 From: Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> & Subject: Can I delete off SYSDUMP.DMP?8 Message-ID: <2npgtsofrusavk927fa853i3v2aam6h2fi@4ax.com>  ' My server is running low on disk space. ? I am doing some housekeeping on the Alpha4000 server running on  OpenVMS 7.1.  > There are some files of big sizes which I am not familar with.; Can I delete off "SYSDUMP.DMP"?? They are dated since 1998.             Regards,  	 Netsurfer  Pager: 97090381  HP: 97722171        ====R For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 07:25:16 -0400 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>* Subject: Re: Can I delete off SYSDUMP.DMP?D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001002072516.00985ec0@discovery.fuentez.com>  ' At 06:45 PM 10/2/2000 +0800, you wrote: ( >My server is running low on disk space.@ >I am doing some housekeeping on the Alpha4000 server running on
 >OpenVMS 7.1.  > ? >There are some files of big sizes which I am not familar with. < >Can I delete off "SYSDUMP.DMP"?? They are dated since 1998. >  >   ? You may want to have a look at other ways to save disk space...   I First, have you purged all your log files? They can take up a lot of disk # space. You can also use the command    SET FILE/VERSION_LIMIT=X  G to limit the number of versions of files the system will keep (and save  some disk space.  I But to answer your specific question, yes, you do not have to have a dump D file. The system will complain about it not being there on your next0 bootup, but it will go ahead and boot up anyway.   Regards,   Jim   8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com          jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:43:45 +0000  From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> * Subject: Re: Can I delete off SYSDUMP.DMP?' Message-ID: <39D89F21.42B1AD22@fsi.net>    Jim Jennis wrote:  > ) > At 06:45 PM 10/2/2000 +0800, you wrote: * > >My server is running low on disk space.B > >I am doing some housekeeping on the Alpha4000 server running on > >OpenVMS 7.1.  > > A > >There are some files of big sizes which I am not familar with. > > >Can I delete off "SYSDUMP.DMP"?? They are dated since 1998. > >  > >  > A > You may want to have a look at other ways to save disk space...  > K > First, have you purged all your log files? They can take up a lot of disk % > space. You can also use the command  >  > SET FILE/VERSION_LIMIT=X > I > to limit the number of versions of files the system will keep (and save  > some disk space. > K > But to answer your specific question, yes, you do not have to have a dump F > file. The system will complain about it not being there on your next2 > bootup, but it will go ahead and boot up anyway.  @ ...; however, if it crashes, and you haven't adjusted the systemF parameters to write the dump to the PAGEFILE instead, there will be no clues as to why it crashed.   E If it all possible, leave the system dump file alone. When the system G parameters are set appropriately, should the system crash, it will dump C the contents of memory to the dump file (the revision date will NOT C change!). There is also an option to write the dump to the PAGEFILE G instead; however, the dump can be lost if action is not taken after the C reboot to copy the dump out to a separate file and release the dump  space in the PAGEFILE.   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:46:15 GMT 1 From: "John Furcht" <johnfurcht@worldnet.att.net>  Subject: DEC consultant wantedG Message-ID: <bA_B5.12109$s76.855022@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   $ DEC consultant needed in LI/NY area.' FT or PT project, short term, flexible.   Experienced in MicroVAX II / VMS Email johnf@jnceng.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 08:24:28 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>$ Subject: Re: DECnet Plus phased out?* Message-ID: <39D82A1C.DCA1F1F2@Easynet.fr>   David A Froble wrote:   Q > I'd have to ask just how recent these responses are.  Some things about VMS are F > changing, but not all parts of Compaq have 'gotten the message' yet.  F I met the COMPAQ salesperson at GKN France last Wednesday. He gave the> answers. He also told me that they are the only ones as COMPAQ authorized training partners.   E Anyway, via DECUS, the news will spread out so fast that I do beleive G that I hame my chances to become another resource, even unauthorized...    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 08:26:36 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>$ Subject: Re: DECnet Plus phased out?* Message-ID: <39D82A9D.587FF05D@Easynet.fr>   "antonio.carlini" wrote: > 6 > Have you tried contacting DECnet product management?  ; Not yet. I'm not a kind of person skipping over the regular D communication paths to obtain what I need. Even if this gives fasterN results, the human part of the relation with the others can become very nasty.   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:22:23 -0400 , From: "William J. Schaff" <wjs2@cornell.edu>  Subject: Re: DELQAs for disposalB Message-ID: <wjs2-203ACB.11222302102000@newsstand.cit.cornell.edu>  6 In article <39D51BA3.E83BC917@email.com>, Philip Tait  <pjtnospam@email.com> wrote:  F > I just found a box of 20 DELQAs (M7516-YM) that will go to the scrapH > pile unless someone wants them.  Company rules require donations to be) > to charitable/educational institutions.  >  > -- > A > Philip J. Tait.....Honeywell, Phoenix, Az...pjtnospam@email.com  >  >  >   ? I could use 4 of these to migrate applications from PDP-11s to   microvaxes that need the delqa.    Bill   --  4 William J. Schaff        607-255-3974 / 607-227-4373) 415 Phillips Hall        607-255-4742 FAX 3 Cornell University       schaff@iiiv.tn.cornell.edu = Ithaca, NY 14853         http://www.iiiv.cornell.edu/~schaff/    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:12:01 +0100   From: steven.reece@quintiles.comN Subject: Duplicate File Issues (Was: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?)H Message-ID: <OF583638EB.1FCABB79-ON8025696C.00378696@qedi.quintiles.com>  H I have seen a similar issue - about 10 months ago now - with one file onJ one ODS-2 disk at 7.1-1H2.  I can't remember what the file was off the topC of my head but there were two entries for the same file in the same K directory on the same disk (and this is the same _actual_ directory, not in  a search list).   H My questions at the time seemed to raise the answer that nobody had seenI such a situation before and that it just wouldn't happen.  Clearly it did 
 though.......   J There were two Alphas in the cluster in question, both running 7.1-1H2 andI being connected by Memory Channel and NI.  They shared a common SCSI bus.  Steve.  @ John Nixon (jorlnixon at worldnet dot att dot net) wrote/quoted:K >>>We recently encountered a similar problem on a disk in our cluster.  The I cluster consisted of three VAX 7860s at VMS 7.1 and two Alphas at VMS 6.2  (since upgraded to 7.2-1).  I Fortunately we did not have any real problems as they were log files.  We I found the problem when performing a backup of the disk to another (empty) J disk and we started getting duplicate file errors.  When doing a directoryJ of the files, I found that many files were duplicates, down to the versionH number.  They were different actual files, with different dates and data and I different file ids.   We could only see them when doing a directory using K ";*"   If we used specific version numbers, we only saw one file.  This was  on ODS2 disks.  J We still have no explanation, and I too am a little worried. We have had aJ troublesome history of crashes on these systems (Yes, they are VMS systems  with all known patches applied).  > "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.harvard.edu> wrote in message& news:39d7dfa7.0@cfanews.harvard.edu... > A >   We are running a 4-Alpha cluster on VMS 7.2-1 and most of the 
 non-systemH > disks are ODS-5.  For the better part of a year, we've had no problemsK > with the new file structure.  Until last night.  At some point last night F > we lost the cluster (probably as a result of network congestion) and three C > of the four Alpha's rebooted themselves, disrupting several large 	 overnight J > computations.  We recovered the cluster this morning, apparently withoutH > any problems.  Fifteen minutes ago we noticed that there were repeated files H > in the directory listing of one user's directory.  By repeated, I mean files G > with the same filename and *version number*!  This was a directory in < > which one of afore-mentioned overnight jobs was executing. >  > $ dir [.keep]k00o*.e;  > $ > Directory D25:[USER.PROCESS3.KEEP] > I > K00O04S.E;1         K00O05B.E;1         K00O05G.E;1         K00O05H.E;1 I > K00O05N.E;1         K00O17L.E;1         K00O20S.E;1         K00O20X.E;1 I > K00O21D.E;1         K00O22Q.E;1         K00O35K.E;1         K00O35Q.E;1  **I > K00O39K.E;1         K00O42U.E;1         K00O35Q.E;1         K00O39K.E;1  **I > K00O42U.E;1         K00O43S.E;1         K00O44B.E;1         K00O47N.E;1  **I > K00O47Q.E;1         K00O47R.E;1         K00O47Z.E;1         K00O48A.E;1 I > K00O48O.E;1         K00O48V.E;1         K00O49V.E;1         K00O50F.E;1 I > K00O51W.E;1         K00O52T.E;1         K00O61C.E;1         K00O61E.E;1  >  > Total of 32 files. > J > Note that the files K00O35Q.E, K00O39K.E and K00O42U.E are repeated (the; > three lines containing the affected files are marked **).  > G > We fixed the problem in this case by deleting the files with repeated G > entries and regenerating them.  But it is somewhat worrying that this  > could happen...<<<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:44:07 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>r Subject: Re: ECO mailing listi) Message-ID: <39D89127.382CDD77@bbc.co.uk>w  ! norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote:e  / > Consult the FAQ.  It's not majordomo anymore.D  = So what was that feature of VMS we like so much, ah, backward A compatibility. Why should we have to change our subscription withQ" the phase of the moon or whatever?   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofs MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 09:04:09 -0700% From: "Paul Jones" <pjones@i-s-e.com>KJ Subject: Free demo License for ISE EnterpriseSchedule and EnterpriseBackup= Message-ID: <QA2C5.1856$Ow4.76495@news-west.usenetserver.com>s  E ISE offers free demo License paks for products EnterpriseSchedule andn= EnterpriseBackup. Call 310-643-7310 for your free cd or emaileI sales@i-s-e.com. Both products can be down loaded from the ISE website aseK well. There is no obligation to evaluate the products. Conversion tools aret3 included for Polycenter Scheduler and Target Batch.t   Paul   ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 07:07:45 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>A Subject: Re: Graphical login gone after Elsa Synergy installationt' Message-ID: <G1sJsx.94H@spcuna.spc.edu>n  : Gareth Boulton (on VMS) <gareth_b@pacbell.net.vms> writes:Q > Since I know so little about VMS (despite the fact I really like it), and don'tsP > have all the programs I need/like, I'm going to make my AlphaStation dual-bootQ > FreeBSD/alpha. However, since FreeBSD/alpha doesn't support TGA I had to change L > the video card. I just don't have the free time to deal with the (massive)Q > learning curve that VMS is throwing at me (not having the latest version of VMS@N > available on the Hobbyist program doesn't help too... I've run into numerous3 > problems in TCPIP 5.0-9 that are fixed in 5.0-A).1  L   You might want to try MultiNet or TCPware, both from Process Software, andL both available to hobbyists (with downloadable kits, even!). There should be6 a link to Process on the DFWlug Hobbyist page, or use:, http://www.process.com/openvms/hobbyist.html  N > This hasn't changed in several months. Are you saying I might need to modifyQ > one of these values, or add a new one, to get the login back? I had to increasefP > the MIN_GBLSECTIONS value some time ago after installing DEC C, because it wasQ > giving me an error trying to launch DECwindows. However, I get no errors of any	, > kind this time around (just no login box).  N   Could be. I have a *lot* more than that in my MODPARAMS, but can't say which pieces are for DECwindows.  J > I don't know which version of DECW I'm on - other than it's the one that > shipped with VMS 7.2.u  ,   Try "product show product". My system has:    7_SERVER::$ product show product< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------5 PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    STATEe< ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------9 DEC AXPVMS DWMOTIF V1.2-5           Full LP     Installed,9 DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1           Platform    InstalledC9 DEC AXPVMS VMS V7.2-1               Oper System Installed < ----------------------------------- ----------- ------------     among other stuff.  tM > Additionally, is there a way to kill the X server and restart it? SomethingnN > along the lines of Ctrl-Alt-Backspace then "startx" from the command-line inO > the Un*x world? At the moment I'm going through reboots to check any changes,yQ > and it's (a) tedious and (b) probably unnecessary. Something along the lines ofa( > a DECW$SHUTDOWN.COM would be nice. :-)  #   @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP RESTART   I   Regarding the resolution, check your config - some of the items are sets- by symbols and others by logicals. Confusing.y  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com 5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 07:21:37 GMTn From: msharty@home.com (MJS)? Subject: Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.t9 Message-ID: <39d83492.740665732@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com>   E Unfortunately, its more on our end.  The company didn't want to spenddE the money implimenting the updates to the application software -- ournF choice.  Doing so, then at some point froze the rest of it where it is7 now, becasue the newer VMS releases wouldn't run on it.   < We will be looking at new software over the next 6-9 months.  8 I still want to migrate basic file/print services to NT.   Mike i    2 On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 00:54:50 -0400, David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> wrote:   >MJS wrote:  >> eE >> We have been running merrily along on an Alpha 275/4 server for 4+eF >> years now.  However, our application software will not run on newerH >> verions of OPEN VMS, and the vendor has announced the dis-continuance/ >> of support for it within the next two years.  >>  I >> We have begun a process of moving our day to day file systems to NT4.0 ( >> along with a couple of new functions. >4N >Wrong direction.  Announce to the software vendor your dis-continuance of theN >use of their product in the next 2 years.  Also seriously inform them that ifM >they want your business, that VMS is mandatory, including supporting currentt >versions of VMS.o >eP >If your vendor isn't willing to support your configuration, announce your needsO >to other vendors.  don't know what the application is, cannot say more withoutL >additional information. >  >Daveu >i >-- 5 >David Froble                       Tel: 724-529-0450 5 >Dave Froble Enterprises, Inc.      Fax: 724-529-0596o? >DFE Ultralights, Inc.              E-Mail: davef@tsoft-inc.com 7 >T-Soft, Inc.  170 Grimplin Road  Vanderbilt, PA  15486-   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:20:31 +02004 From: "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com>? Subject: Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc..6 Message-ID: <8r9gfm$jhg$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   MJS,   I don't understand.lG As far as we know we still 'support' VMS 6.2-H1 (from 1-april-1998 thisiL version is of the support list and can only be supported if you have a priorE version contract) with various versions of Pathworks/Advanced Server. , In this Pathworks v6.0c-eco1 is recommended.J What I do see in your message is that you are running a very old Pathworks? version that isn't supported any more. (not even y2k compliant) J Further, the easiest way to solve your problem is to set both environments! (NT and Pathworks) in one domain.5= This with one PDC (either Pathworks or NT) and several BDC's.PJ The problem with not able to connect to Pathworks from NT is easily solved& with the use of Server-Based licenses.0 I hope this gives some clarity to your problems,   regards,   -- Daniel Grund   Compaq Customer ServicesC" Microsoft Certified Support Centre1 Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europea   The Netherlandsw) "MJS" <msharty@home.com> wrote in messageo3 news:39d7f8fc.725409457@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com...fD > We have been running merrily along on an Alpha 275/4 server for 4+E > years now.  However, our application software will not run on newerdG > verions of OPEN VMS, and the vendor has announced the dis-continuanceu. > of support for it within the next two years. > H > We have begun a process of moving our day to day file systems to NT4.0' > along with a couple of new functions.  > ! > Specifically, we are "stuck" at- >- > OpenVMS 6.2-1H3S > pathworks V5.0C  > DOS LM 2.1 >oA > We are currently running pathworks to our 95 clients.  They are D > running TCP/IP and netbeui now.  Our network consists of 3 class CE > address spaces, linked with routers.  Each subnet can see their owncD > PC's but none of the ones on the other 2 networks,  They can reach@ > each other via known TCP/IP addresses for each machine though. >mH > I can make a client log into the NT box, I can log into pathworks, but > I can not log into both. >/B > I can not seem to get Nt to log into the ALpha.  I can see it inH > network neighborhood, but when I click on the serber I get no pathworkH > license.  My V5.0 software will not load on the Nt server as a client. > C > I had the NT box set up as a PDC.  It has WINS enabled.  PointingnC > clients (W95) TCP/IP stacks to the WINS server (enabled) does not0< > allow 2 PC's to see each other across the entoire network. >e > What I need to accomplish: >i@ > 1) I want to be able to log into my file spaces ( per user) inB > both NT and Pathworks, and be able to move files between them as	 > needed.i >s@ > 2) I want all desktop PC's to show up in Network neighborhood. >aG > From the previous messages posted, I'm hoping that my system softwareIC > is new enough to make this happen.  We updated as far as we couldeH > without killing our app software as part of the Y2K process so I don't > think I can go further.u > F > I can not find a single reference to pathworks on the Microsoft site > so I'm out of luck there.o >pD > If I could get NT to see the files ( log-in) to the Alpha, I might- > then be able to share those connections....e >s( > Any help would be greatly appreciated. >h( > I can be reached at ;  sharty@ccbs.com > 4 > Thank you in advance for your help in this matter, >h >t >s   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 11:10:02 GMTi From: "Petrus" <ni@ni.ni>o6 Subject: How to unpack .BCK files in a non-VMS/VAX OS?; Message-ID: <01c02a2c$7247a740$1610d29b@icmagrab.unizar.es>G  	 Hi there,a  G I have a little problem migrating from VMS/VAX to Unix/Linux. I need totI make a backup of all accounts, but when I try to do it by FTP, connectionPH always fails, so my chief told me to make a .BCK file with all files and? directories of each account and then transfer it to my machine.o  I But Id like how to restore (unpack) a .BCK file under DOS, Windows, Unix6	 or Linux.n  G I downloaded a tar.exe file for VMS OS (I prefer tar instead for makingT& backups), but it doesnt run properly.  G Please help me, I'm very lost with this problem. And thanks in advance.-  	 		Petrus.-   -- e* Say NO to SPAM. Write me to this newsgroup   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:57:20 -0400u, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com>: Subject: Re: How to unpack .BCK files in a non-VMS/VAX OS?8 Message-ID: <m05hts48d78daq5omou326vm4l4rp3415m@4ax.com>  6 On 2 Oct 2000 11:10:02 GMT, "Petrus" <ni@ni.ni> wrote:  
 >Hi there, > H >I have a little problem migrating from VMS/VAX to Unix/Linux. I need toJ >make a backup of all accounts, but when I try to do it by FTP, connectionI >always fails, so my chief told me to make a .BCK file with all files and @ >directories of each account and then transfer it to my machine.  C What you want is described in the following entry in the Tru64 UNIX0 FAQ:  6 M5. How can I read VMS BACKUP tapes on a UNIX machine?  F There is a utility called vmsbackup to do this.  Earlier URLs for thisD software are now invalid - the following is part of a set of FreeBSD5 ports - it may or may not work on other UNIX systems.n  >   http://www.ee.freebsd.org/ports/emulators.html#vmsbackup-3.0  8 Vbackup is a commercial product which can read and write VMS-compatible BACKUP savesets.      http://www.bbc.com/vbackup.htm    - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)o Fortran Engineering2& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:28:42 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>: Subject: Re: How to unpack .BCK files in a non-VMS/VAX OS?+ Message-ID: <8r9v1p$nq6@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   Z "Petrus" <ni@ni.ni> wrote in message news:01c02a2c$7247a740$1610d29b@icmagrab.unizar.es...  I > I have a little problem migrating from VMS/VAX to Unix/Linux. I need toAK > make a backup of all accounts, but when I try to do it by FTP, connectionlJ > always fails, so my chief told me to make a .BCK file with all files andA > directories of each account and then transfer it to my machine.s  G I would suggest you use ZIP as a more platform neutral transfer format.nD Yes, you can find reasonable ports of tar to VMS and BACKUP to LinuxJ with a bit of digging around but ZIP will easily get you DOS/Windows also.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:48:52 +0000R From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>l: Subject: Re: How to unpack .BCK files in a non-VMS/VAX OS?' Message-ID: <39D8A054.2173F32C@fsi.net>i  
 Petrus wrote:  >  > Hi there,  > I > I have a little problem migrating from VMS/VAX to Unix/Linux. I need towK > make a backup of all accounts, but when I try to do it by FTP, connectioneJ > always fails, so my chief told me to make a .BCK file with all files andA > directories of each account and then transfer it to my machine.i > K > But Id like how to restore (unpack) a .BCK file under DOS, Windows, Unixd > or Linux.C > I > I downloaded a tar.exe file for VMS OS (I prefer tar instead for makingi( > backups), but it doesnt run properly. > I > Please help me, I'm very lost with this problem. And thanks in advance.N  1 Try ZIPping the directories you wish to transfer:o  - $ ZIP/LEVEL=8/NOVMS archive_name [path...]*.*m  D Then, use the freeware UNZIP for UN*X to unpack the archive. You can4 find more information about this in the OpenVMS FAQ:  6 http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html   ...and at this URL:s  " http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/  G Ideally, of course, you'll want to try and keep your systems on OpenVMSu( for reasons of security and reliability.   David J. Dachterao   ------------------------------   Date: 2 OCT 2000 04:44:44 GMTT4 From: karcher@vranix.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher). Subject: Re: Is the bus strike affecting cets?5 Message-ID: <2OCT00.04444408@vranix.waisman.wisc.edu>e  M The buses from hotels to the convention center were running today (I wouldn't K want to walk there). So are the city buses. There was an article in the LA  7 times today that said the strike could be over on Tues.y   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 06:06:55 GMTl+ From: "Gerke Grashuis" <g.grashuis@kpn.com>a$ Subject: Re: missing/extra Diskquota8 Message-ID: <01c02c36$f6ac0a60$8d4c15ac@HKTGN9911301604>   You may want to try-  < $copy/allocate=<# of blocks>    <file>   dsa9:[000000]<file>  K Specify the number of blocks to allocate quite a bit higher than the numberi" of free blocks on the target disk.I That way the file will not be created due to a device full failure but itl, will free up the blocks you are looking for.   Gerke.    hE Antony Wardle <antony.wardle@nooospammm.met.co.nz> schreef in artikelw) <_Q5B5.13068$O7.174422@ozemail.com.au>...o > Anyone shed  any light?  > / > DSD == "DIR/SIZ=ALL/DATE/WID=(FIL:30,SIZE=7)"s > 8 > MIN$ dsd dsa9:[000000...]/by_owner=OPS_BRACK_BRACK60KM, > Total of 2787 files, 102870/105900 blocks.A > Grand total of 4 directories, 2808 files, 766801/771668 blocks.t > * > MIN$ sho quota/user= OPS_BRACK_BRACK60KMF >   User OPS_BRACK_BRACK60KM has 1246956 blocks used, 53044 available,G >   of 1300000 authorized and permitted overdraft of 100 blocks on DSA9  > MIN$ >  > & > show where has the extra quota gone? > H > I have also done a sysman disk rebuild/dev=dsa9 and a set volum/rebuil dsa9 > and this hasn't made > any difference.0 >  > antony >  >  >    ------------------------------  " Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:19:02 GMT- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>.$ Subject: Re: missing/extra Diskquota( Message-ID: <39D8A75F.C6ECABC2@ohio.edu>  N You seem to have covered the unused-but-allocated blocks.  What about the fileJ headers?  That is a minimum of one block per file, more if there are ACLs.  #                                 RDP      Antony Wardle wrote:   > Anyone shed  any light?a >d/ > DSD == "DIR/SIZ=ALL/DATE/WID=(FIL:30,SIZE=7)"y >l8 > MIN$ dsd dsa9:[000000...]/by_owner=OPS_BRACK_BRACK60KM, > Total of 2787 files, 102870/105900 blocks.A > Grand total of 4 directories, 2808 files, 766801/771668 blocks.o >0* > MIN$ sho quota/user= OPS_BRACK_BRACK60KMF >   User OPS_BRACK_BRACK60KM has 1246956 blocks used, 53044 available,G >   of 1300000 authorized and permitted overdraft of 100 blocks on DSA9  > MIN$ > & > show where has the extra quota gone? >oM > I have also done a sysman disk rebuild/dev=dsa9 and a set volum/rebuil dsa9y > and this hasn't made > any difference.w >Q > antony   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 09:56:09 GMT25 From: bruce.bailey@computershare.co.uk (Bruce Bailey)m1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?h/ Message-ID: <39d85b6e.8933695@news.demon.co.uk>5  > I'm having a few problems unzipping onto ODS-5 disk.  Unzip isB translating spaces to underscores for files created on NTFS system   I notice that Bob said: C >Ran through a lot of old utility programs (readtar, unzip, ...) torJ >remove name unmangling for ODS-5, keep it for ODS-2.  Couldn't fix my oldE >copy of unzip (works when compiled /debug/noopt, didn't have time toBG >track down the code bug) so I'm using a new one from Compaq.  IIRC the 0 >latest unzip from the author already has a fix.  7 How can I get hold of the latest unzip from the author?i    * ------------------------------------------* Bruce Bailey     |     VMS Systems Manager* Computershare Technology Services (UK) Ltd   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 10:28:28 GMT ' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)i1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?h0 Message-ID: <8r9o0c$33v$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  b In article <39d7dfa7.0@cfanews.harvard.edu>, "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.harvard.edu> writes:) >D.Webb <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:t >vM >: Just upgraded our Academic Alpha cluster to VMS 7.2-1 and put on  JDK 1.2.p >o% >: Are people using ODS-5 a lot yet ?i >C9 >: Any problems with applications or any other problems ?  > K >  We are running a 4-Alpha cluster on VMS 7.2-1 and most of the non-systemiG >disks are ODS-5.  For the better part of a year, we've had no problemsnJ >with the new file structure.  Until last night.  At some point last nightK >we lost the cluster (probably as a result of network congestion) and threetL >of the four Alpha's rebooted themselves, disrupting several large overnightI >computations.  We recovered the cluster this morning, apparently withoutDM >any problems.  Fifteen minutes ago we noticed that there were repeated files,M >in the directory listing of one user's directory.  By repeated, I mean fileslF >with the same filename and *version number*!  This was a directory in; >which one of afore-mentioned overnight jobs was executing.o >E >$ dir [.keep]k00o*.e; > # >Directory D25:[USER.PROCESS3.KEEP]u > H >K00O04S.E;1         K00O05B.E;1         K00O05G.E;1         K00O05H.E;1H >K00O05N.E;1         K00O17L.E;1         K00O20S.E;1         K00O20X.E;1M >K00O21D.E;1         K00O22Q.E;1         K00O35K.E;1         K00O35Q.E;1   **-M >K00O39K.E;1         K00O42U.E;1         K00O35Q.E;1         K00O39K.E;1   ** M >K00O42U.E;1         K00O43S.E;1         K00O44B.E;1         K00O47N.E;1   **XH >K00O47Q.E;1         K00O47R.E;1         K00O47Z.E;1         K00O48A.E;1H >K00O48O.E;1         K00O48V.E;1         K00O49V.E;1         K00O50F.E;1H >K00O51W.E;1         K00O52T.E;1         K00O61C.E;1         K00O61E.E;1 >  >Total of 32 files.r >lI >Note that the files K00O35Q.E, K00O39K.E and K00O42U.E are repeated (thee: >three lines containing the affected files are marked **). > F >We fixed the problem in this case by deleting the files with repeatedF >entries and regenerating them.  But it is somewhat worrying that this >could happen... >e >d   Gareth,o  8 Did you do any investigation before deleting the files ?   eg  	 ANAL/DISKy    3 (Does Analyze/DISK still work with ODS-5 volumes ?):  G Also did the duplicated files have separate FILE IDS  or was there only-/ one real file with multiple directory entries ?     < Does sound a bit worrying - have you reported it to Compaq ?    
 David Webb VMS and unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:34:28 -0400d* From: Joshua Cope <Joshua.Cope@Compaq.com>1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?t* Message-ID: <39D89CF4.22F04727@Compaq.com>   "D.Webb" wrote:e > 5 > (Does Analyze/DISK still work with ODS-5 volumes ?)o  H Yes. The output of ANALYZE/DISK could be useful, if Mr. Williams has it 
 available.  < ------------------------------------------------------------7 The above opinions and information are not necessarily  % those of Compaq Computer Corporation.o< ------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:25:03 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONEJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010021020070.26402-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  * On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, David A Froble wrote:   +"Zane H. Healy" wrote:c [...] L +>                             OpenVMS Phone Facility            27-SEP-2000 +> %4 +> You do not have the privilege to place that call. [...]f1 +> Everything works fine from the SYSTEM account.S + H +Ha!  Use a big enough hammer, and you can drive a nail head first!  :-)  "  But that is the one way to check:? 1. remove all privileges from SYSTEM user session and check, ifw:  PHONE works; if yes - then the suspected reason may be in8  file protection (because "system user" and "disk owner"+  or group) or process quotas mentioned herer7 2. if not - add privileges one-by-one (och, yes, can bea3  with the "check half" alghoritm done) and find the   required...  ,  The real reason can be interesting for us !    Regards - Gotfryd   -- -E =====================================================================lF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME-. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================S   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:28:29 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONEJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010021025290.26402-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  7 On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Veli [iso-8859-1] K=F6rkk=F6 wrote:i  ? +Phone relies on DECnet and I would say Phone needs DECnet evens9 +on local node to local node access but of course I might 
 +be wrong.  =  Regardless the fact, that I can't remember if the dependence): is true - will suggest, that *THEN* any session, even from  user SYSTEM, will not work -;) !< (hmmmm.... *can* think about scenario with PROXY enabled for<  PHONE object + SYSTEM with proxy, but will not suspect it).    Regards - Gotfryd   --=20 C =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=sC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=iC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=e	 =3D=3D=3DrF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") = -, =09=09THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=3DMEn. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=nC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= C =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 	 =3D=3D=3Dc   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 21:20:33 GMT  From: reli@mixmail.com9 Subject: Rectification error :0j0 Super truco Linux  1525 ; Message-ID: <BUNB5.318449$LH4.1026155@telenews.teleline.es>3  L Reenvio el mensaje ya que hubo un error al poner la web(falto la (L) de html os pido disculpas   0  Para saber mas www.cambiaelchip.com/index2.html  P Si quieres tener como fondo de imagen un salvapantalla deves hacer lo siguiente:J Antres de nada para una mejor visualizacion debes poner el fondo en Negro.  . Entra en xterm (kterm,konsole es indiferente ) desde las Xwindows(KDE)e& localiza tus salvapantallas con locate
 locate kss[ seguidamente elige el que mas te guste y ejecuta desde el mismo terminal que tengas abiertoa ej: kbouboule.kss -inroot &b2 el salvapantallas se activara como imagen de fondoJ en esa ventana podra observar el PID (identificacion del proceso)asignado.+ Para detener la ejecucion del salvapantallar escribe en el terminal; kill <PID number> sustituya el PID number por la cifra realm   Seguro que os gustara % Requisito aconsejado 128 Megas de Rame  T vlebjrilrjouoeynzinzdhqtvqmufctnosvlouxplknvxoiqxpgztsnrltjpmirqrfdmfufwdydcygeppybb   ------------------------------  * Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 13:01:39 +0000 (UTC)' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi>o. Subject: Re: restart an Alpha ETN42-CA machine, Message-ID: <8ra0vj$3u1$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  1 Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@easynet.fr> wrote:h   > ... Where can I ? > find useful information on SRM and ARC? I don't have the doc.I > ...o  E Didier, no wonder you feel to need more information if you don't have / AXPpci33 design guide. Postscript version is innE ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/axppci/ . It contains basic commands of J SRM and ARC.                                                           /OK   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 15:39:13 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>. Subject: Re: restart an Alpha ETN42-CA machine* Message-ID: <39D89000.D0DCB064@Easynet.fr>   Osmo Kujala wrote: > G > Didier, no wonder you feel to need more information if you don't havex1 > AXPpci33 design guide. Postscript version is ineG > ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/DEC/axppci/ . It contains basic commands ofo > SRM and ARC.  / Neat. This is the golden egg I was looking for.nA (now, the next question is "why would OpenVMS not run in an Alphau$ pci33". It's an Alpha, after all...)   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:25:25 -0000d- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)e Subject: Re: SOAP / Message-ID: <stgvllmnmkhv51@news.supernews.com>n  K djesys.nospam@earthlink.net (David J. Dachtera) wrote in <39D55588.5ADF2421  @earthlink.net>:   >posbourne wrote:  >> 0/ >> Does anyone know of a SOAP Listener for VMS?t >.' >Forgive my ignorance - what is "soap"?n >k  D Soap (Simple Object Access Protocol), in my opinion, is Microsoft's L security-free answer to RPC (Remote Procedure Call).  It allows a client to K create a telegram in XML format, send it to port 80 (the HTTP port) of the uE target machine, have the Web Server listening there call locally the yJ appropriate executable/function, and return arbitrary data to the caller,  also in XML format.r  ? Some of the attributes that Microsofts claims are valuable are:t  K 1)  Request and Reply telegrams are formatted in XML (implied:  everything o XML is a GOOD THING)H 2)  Request and Reply telegrams can penetrate firewalls, because client J requests are directed to TCP Port 80, and thus look like HTTP requests to 
 firewalls.  J I would consider this second point a significant security risk; I suspect I most firewall software does not look _inside_ packets - it only looks at cL their source / destination addresses.  If you could get a piece of software K installed and registered on a victim machine, you could invoke at will by  mL sending it a SOAP telegram that almost no firewall today could stop (unless @ port 80 was disabled entirely on the victim machine, of course).  E I find it curious that one could consider the ability to penetrate a i firewall at will a good thing.   ws   -- n << Boycott Shampoo >>n << Demand REAL POO >>D   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 12:23:11 -0400n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: SOAPlL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0210001223110001@user-2ivechr.dialup.mindspring.com>  ^ In article <stgvllmnmkhv51@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) wrote:    G > I find it curious that one could consider the ability to penetrate a t  > firewall at will a good thing.   I guess it depends how out of control your network nazis are.  Sometimes their only desire is to totally prevent all useful work.L   Of course, once you decide that useful work is not a "good thing", then yes, an impenetrable firewall IS a good thing.  But I could provide that will a pair of scissors, and we'd save a lot on salaries in the network group.e   -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comC   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 13:04:52 -0400e/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>w Subject: RE: SOAPfI Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB236@rlghncst625.usps.gov>    -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 12:52 PMi6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: SOAPd    F In article <stgvllmnmkhv51@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warreni Spencer) wrote:i    F > I find it curious that one could consider the ability to penetrate a  > firewall at will a good thing.  H I guess it depends how out of control your network nazis are.  Sometimes their/2 only desire is to totally prevent all useful work.  I    How Dilbertesque.  "I am Mordac, preventer of information services..."b  L Of course, once you decide that useful work is not a "good thing", then yes, anL impenetrable firewall IS a good thing.  But I could provide that will a pair of? scissors, and we'd save a lot on salaries in the network group.e     E    Came across a website once, belonged to a guy who *wrote* firewall-
 software--.    It had a link to the "Ultimate Firewall"...  G    Which turned out to be a graphic of a rather heavy-duty set of cablef cutters.   -- Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comc   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 18:50:08 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: SOAPr+ Message-ID: <8rahsg$uca@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>t  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in message-F news:rdeininger-0210001223110001@user-2ivechr.dialup.mindspring.com...  H > > I find it curious that one could consider the ability to penetrate a" > > firewall at will a good thing. >od > I guess it depends how out of control your network nazis are.  Sometimes their only > desire is to  totally prevent all useful work.  N Yes, but then you end up in an arms race. Your network people will ditch theirP simple port filtering firewall and replace it with a transparent HTTP proxy that6 analyses the content of every damn thing that arrives.   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 12:23:36 GMTO3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)tC Subject: Solved: Backup restore problem with Sony SDT-9000 DDS3 DATd0 Message-ID: <8r9uo8$494$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hi,   E just to let you (and deja) know that my backup problem is now solved:8G It turned out that I didn't mount the tape /FOREIGN for the restore andK- backup didn't complain (as it normally does).b   Regards,    Christoph Gartmannf  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:14:41 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile.J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010021008480.26402-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: [...]yE +What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because ' +everybody looks like experiencied > 30r  8  Age 40. First VMS (4.2) roughly 1988, little before the) COCOM restriction was officially removed.A    Regards - Gotfryd   --=20KC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=iC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=wC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=k	 =3D=3D=3DvF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") = -e =09=09THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=3DME=. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=yC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=eC =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=r	 =3D=3D=3D-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:34:14 GMT ! From: Dave <rodgersd@my-deja.com>r+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileg) Message-ID: <8r9rrm$d2c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>9  7 In article <OF8AF50520.400155E2-ON83256967.0066154A@ep-p bc.petrobras.com.br>,n,   fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:: > I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . =o > .  >lF > What=B4s the average age of all people here ? I am asking it because > everybody looks likeG > experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel an > veteran)... and inB > my job I am alone. There=B4re 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above=  >  30s)m > , 8 guys to manageH > the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers.... >-% > It=B4s just a market curiosity ....  >c > Fabio Cardoso  > Analista de Suporte= >t >h  G For me, I'm 43 and have worked for DECpaq since 1983, both hardware and B software. Worked on Hubble flight pkg when it was on 11/785's withD shared memory (yuk!). Did PDP-8's on up to 11/70's, VAXen and Alpha.F Currently handling a battle simulation cluster and support systems (10E node cluster, 2 node cluster, 20 standalone systems) plus a ton of NTd and unix/linux..   1 for all the VMS (me)= 2 high end guru's and a couple of lackeys for 25 unix serversJ/ 8+ for a dozen NT servers and 300 workstations.    Dave        & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 09:41:07 -0500s, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilee+ Message-ID: <6NzBlzpeD+JX@eisner.decus.org>   U In article <8r28uk$n3j@usenet.pa.dec.com>, "R.A.Omond" <Roy.Omond@compaq.com> writes:h > # > 220 bpi ?  Surely you mean 200 ? e  	 Probably.i  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupiE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyinga   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 14:46:53 +0100f- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>E+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile[) Message-ID: <39D891CD.BFC04F7E@bbc.co.uk>   & paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote:  N >Yeah, I was wondering why Tim needed any crutch to do the conversion for him.  F DCL was handier than a pencil. Couldn't do 1980 conversion in my head, either.-   :-)3 --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk0  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 16:57:10 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)o+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileQ+ Message-ID: <8raep6$99j$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>e  , In article <8ZSaJDl1LLFf@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>,4  nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes: |> eC |>    Our Tru64 Unix system quite possibly could, but the vendor of D |> library automation software we run on it insists Unix needs to beG |> rebooted frequently and their support folks often won't troubleshootDF |> a problem if we haven't rebooted the system within the last week or |> two.p  B If they understand the OS they run on so poorly, I would have veryC little faith in their product.  None of the various flavors of Unix A that I run here have any such problems that would require regular   or random un-scheduled re-boots.   bill   -- -J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   /   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 17:07:52 GMTE1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)i+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile-+ Message-ID: <8rafd8$99j$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>a  0 In article <8r8m5n$sf9$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>,*  david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) writes: |>J |> >We have not been hacked here since I dumped SunOS 4.1.4.  Which is, ofN |> >course, one of the primary reasons why we dumped SunOS in the first place. |>O |> All I can say is your very very lucky. Our Unix (Solaris) systems are hacked.J |> very very quickly if we don't keep up to date with the latest patches.   J See above.  When SunOS 4.1.4 was going away we looked at whaT was the thenJ current Solaris.  It suffered from most of the same security holes that weI had been treated to under SunOS.  Even though these were all old and well F publicized problems (Sendmail anyone??)  I have looked at more recent G versions of Solaris, but see no advantage that would warrant taking the:  risks I associate with using it.  R |>                                                                         And yesP |> on more than one occasion it has been tracked to our own University students.  K That's actually pretty sad.  Even most animals don't soil their own houses.cN Of course, our students know that irresponsible behavior will not be tolerated and tend to act accordingly.   |>  J |> I don't know of any BSD machines at our University and so can't comment# |> directly on their vulnerability.FO |> However a quick look at securityfocus turned up a number of buffer overflowsBF |> and other vulnerabilities which your systems may be vulnerable to -: |> according to what software versions you have installed.  H No system is completely secure.  Not even VMS.  As I said above, we haveG not been hacked since the days of SunOS 4.1.4.  It doesn't mean I have RF stopped watching, only that I can get away with watching with just one
 eye now.  :-)r   bill   -- pJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   r   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:41:06 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy DiskJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010021102280.26402-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  $ On 29 Sep 2000, Brian Wheeler wrote:  * +In article <39D4A2F9.BE6A5A37@bbc.co.uk>,1 +	Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:3$ +> [...not related to Brian, cut...]_ +>> In article <8r20oc$26gk$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:,E +>> > Is it possible to read a PC floppy disk on a VaxStation 3100 ornE +>> > to write a VMS type floppy on a PC??  I am trying to find a way=. +>> > to move data (Hobbyist PAKs) to my 3100. [...]3L +>> There's a VMS floopy reader for DOS, but I don't think there's a writer.E +>> I understand DOS/Windoze have a habit of trashing the first block-. +>> of the filesystem with a "harmless" stamp.  B  Oh, yes. But you are *NOT* enforced to use a "formatted" floppy !  >  Althought the "real low level format" and "create filesystem"> operation are not separated (in the FORMAT programm), you can A write the dusquiette block-by-blok: the euqivalent of block-mode   IO is available -:)a  H +>  However, both require previous loading of software onto your VMS box +> to read the floppy. [...] [...]n@ +on a unix box use dd to write a .com file to the disk directly:  ;  No, you can't find me as un*x fan -;), even if the message  is sent from Linux box -:]   [...dd etc...]  =  Here are also tons of software for Windows available, where y! allows "raw write" to disquette. e>  The first I remember is the DISKEDIT from NortonUtility: some> disk utilities from the "demo" pack works unlimited and anyway2 you can check the demo (was in most PC-magazines).?  You require DISKEDIT.EXE, DISKEDIT.HLP and oprionally .ICO -;)   Check: 2 http://www.symantecstore.com/Pages/TBYB/index.html0 here you can see from time to time a "trialware"& (today NortonUtilities ARE available).7  DISKEDIT (because operates ALSO on harrdisks) requiresp run in "DOS mode".4  And I must check the license if sending a prepared 7 380kB ZIP (rather than tens of MB pack) of one utility j% is legal. You may ask me if interest.i    Also check:. http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~gb002/sac-utildisk.htm9  here may be also something usefull (oh, yes, page finded  with Altavista query ;>!).   [...]d1 +then, mount the disk as foreign and copy it off:w +e +$ mount/for dva0: r +$ copy dva0: vms_licenses.com  5 ...also you can this way move here a ZIP.EXE and some/( .ZIP (up to the 1.4MB limit) files -:) !  J +I think I may have had to change the file attributes as well, but I don't
 +remember....     For text files - yes.A  For .EXE and .ZIP - not, because the floppy is a 512-byte sectorr@ device, thus the files created from /FOREIG mounted disk already% has a 512 byte fixed-lenght records !0    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================oF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME/. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================n   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 13:11:08 GMTc* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)( Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk3 Message-ID: <8ra1hc$f3f$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>p  J In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010021102280.26402-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>,= 	"Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> writes:e& > On 29 Sep 2000, Brian Wheeler wrote: > , > +In article <39D4A2F9.BE6A5A37@bbc.co.uk>,3 > +	Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:m& > +> [...not related to Brian, cut...]a > +>> In article <8r20oc$26gk$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@cs.scranton.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:mG > +>> > Is it possible to read a PC floppy disk on a VaxStation 3100 orrG > +>> > to write a VMS type floppy on a PC??  I am trying to find a waye0 > +>> > to move data (Hobbyist PAKs) to my 3100. > [...] N > +>> There's a VMS floopy reader for DOS, but I don't think there's a writer.G > +>> I understand DOS/Windoze have a habit of trashing the first block 0 > +>> of the filesystem with a "harmless" stamp. > D >  Oh, yes. But you are *NOT* enforced to use a "formatted" floppy ! > @ >  Althought the "real low level format" and "create filesystem"@ > operation are not separated (in the FORMAT programm), you can C > write the dusquiette block-by-blok: the euqivalent of block-mode   > IO is available -:)l > J > +>  However, both require previous loading of software onto your VMS box > +> to read the floppy. [...] > [...] B > +on a unix box use dd to write a .com file to the disk directly: > = >  No, you can't find me as un*x fan -;), even if the messaget > is sent from Linux box -:]  L I happen to be a big unix fan, but I've got a healthy respect (and love for)N VMS.  Most environments have a unix box available but not a VMS box (and fewer with a floppy....)   >  > [...dd etc...] > ? >  Here are also tons of software for Windows available, where -# > allows "raw write" to disquette.  @ >  The first I remember is the DISKEDIT from NortonUtility: some@ > disk utilities from the "demo" pack works unlimited and anyway4 > you can check the demo (was in most PC-magazines).A >  You require DISKEDIT.EXE, DISKEDIT.HLP and oprionally .ICO -;):	 >  Check:i4 > http://www.symantecstore.com/Pages/TBYB/index.html2 > here you can see from time to time a "trialware"( > (today NortonUtilities ARE available).9 >  DISKEDIT (because operates ALSO on harrdisks) requiresy > run in "DOS mode".6 >  And I must check the license if sending a prepared 9 > 380kB ZIP (rather than tens of MB pack) of one utility g' > is legal. You may ask me if interest.   O There's also rawrite.exe which comes with some linux distributions which allows K writing a file to a floppy without a filesystem under DOS.  Its freeware.  -  E ftp://herbie.ucs.indiana.edu/linux/slackware/bootdsks.144/RAWRITE.EXEb   >  >  Also check:0 > http://www.hszk.bme.hu/~gb002/sac-utildisk.htm; >  here may be also something usefull (oh, yes, page findede > with Altavista query ;>!). >  > [...].3 > +then, mount the disk as foreign and copy it off:2 > +  > +$ mount/for dva0: f  > +$ copy dva0: vms_licenses.com > 7 > ...also you can this way move here a ZIP.EXE and somew* > .ZIP (up to the 1.4MB limit) files -:) ! > L > +I think I may have had to change the file attributes as well, but I don't > +remember....a >  >  For text files - yes.C >  For .EXE and .ZIP - not, because the floppy is a 512-byte sectorsB > device, thus the files created from /FOREIG mounted disk already' > has a 512 byte fixed-lenght records !  >  >  Regards - Gotfryd >    Brians   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 17:43:11 GMT,1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ( Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk+ Message-ID: <8rahff$aku$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>t  E I want to thank everyone for their help with this latest predicament.*E The winner was Brian Wheeler.  Most of the solutions required gettinglI something onto the VAX which of course, was what I was having the problemaC with.  The serial port solution wasn't doable for two reasons.  The D console is not a serial port (because I'm working on a VS3100, darn,G forgot to mention that again) and it also uses an MMJ connector which I-B have none of.  But, the raw disk mounted as foreign looks like theG answer.  Of course, once I get the paks on I will have DECNET and TCPIPe% and this will not be a problem again.   J I'm getting closer and closer to bringing up my first cluster.  Of course,> the thing I lack most of all is time to spend playing with it.  @ All the best and thanks again to everyone who offered solutions.   bill   -- vJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 10:33:00 -0400a. From: Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com> Subject: VMS 6.1 manual set 8 Message-ID: <001301c02c7d$ab292b30$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>  6 I have available 2 complete sets of VMS 6.1 Doc.  set., (finally got last system to Version 7.1 !!!)  + Please email me with offers if interested!!a   Thanks Hank Vander Waal Manufacturers Supply Co. Hudsonville MI 49426   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:02:14 +0100-/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>l9 Subject: re: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?47 Message-ID: <009F0FE8.AF17209A.24@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>    > / > In article <39D6DED8.54B88E84@tsoft-inc.com>,n/ >  David A Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> writes:  > |>U > |> Ugly code is something produced by a programmer, and not always a problem in theoT > |> language.  VAX/DEC BASIC will accept a wide variety of formats, and some of theN > |> best and the worst can and are produced there.  Then there's COBOL, whereF > |> verbose gets new meaning.  But the worst code in my opinion is C. > E > I've said it before and I'll say it again.  The quality of the codeWF > has nothing to do with the language used.  Juast as I can write veryD > readable (and thus very maintainable) code in C so too I can writeE > pure garbage in Ada, Pascal and yes, even COBOL.  I know, I've donehF > it to provide examples for classes in the past.  Ever see COBOL withG > all the optional parts left out and with 2 character variable names??D > It's legit, and it's garbage.D > H > It isn't the language.  It is the fact that the advances in technologyG > have put powerful hardware and sophisticated development tools in theFE > hands of totally unprepared "programmers".  And like the proverbial0E > 100 monkeys with typewriters, they are churning out massive amountszG > of garbage.  And the Internet provides a way to scaqtter this garbageyE > throughout the world without so much as a peer review.  So much for  > software engineering.3 > G > But it still isn't the fault of the language or the OS they choose to-G > use.  If VMS were free and ran on commodity hardware, the world wouldm8 > be flooded with garbage VMS software written in BLISS. >  > bill  P I pretty much agree with all that - it's what I meant by "neither good nor bad",L the goodness or badness of code depends on the person writing it rather than on the language.  B As for "ugly": well, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder,E but to my aesthetic sense BASIC is uglier than anything except COBOL.e   	Yours,d
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                      7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.551 ************************