1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 03 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 552       Contents: Re: Backup Software  BASIC media  BNC connectors BNC connectors Re: BNC connectors  Finding MicroVAX info on the web Free to Hobbyist (UK) 6 Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.6 Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc. MicroVax 3100 Questions  Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions  Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions  Re: NJ--VAX/VMS Operators ( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? Re: opendir/readdir VAXC?  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE  Re: SOAP" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" RE: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile$ Updating to VMS 7.2 in a cluster env VAXft system services on FT810  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 05:17:56 GMT  From: matthew_tevenan@dantz.com  Subject: Re: Backup Software) Message-ID: <8rbq61$14f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   C Hi there. I'd recommend giving Retrospect Backup a try. It supports   the latest tape libraries (check> <http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list> to> make sure yours is supported), plus gives you true incremental; backups and easy, one-step restores. Give the free trial at  www.betterbackup a whirl.    Regards,   Matthew Tevenan  Dantz Development Corporation   ) In article <8rabpb$p96$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    v.abrams@gte.net wrote: = > I need to buy Backup Software for unattended backup using a  tape@ > jukebox. I am currently thinking of ABS from Compaq or Tapesys from> > Software Partners. I back up approximately 140 GB which will	 double in  > the next few years.  > 4 > Does anyone have any recommendations from your own experience ? > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:13:59 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net  Subject: BASIC media9 Message-ID: <39d9413b$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>    All,  J I have the hobbiest distribution on my Alpha.  It comes with a license forG BASIC but no distribution media.  What is the best avenue for obtaining G the software distribution?  Plunking down the full $500 with DEC.  As I H recall that was the cost for my commercial VAX system back when I set it up.   0 Please feel free to private email on this issue.   Roland   --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:13:17 -0400. From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> Subject: BNC connectors 2 Message-ID: <8rb4uh$eub$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>   Hello,J Is the color video signal from a DEC computer in any way compatible with aI VGA monitor sporting BNC connectors?  If not, is it possible to create an H interface circuit to make the Digital display protocol (or whatever it's called) into VGA?  Thanks in advance,, =+=Steven Shamlian=+= (www.hobbesthevax.com)   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:41:43 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: BNC connectors 6 Message-ID: <200010022041_MC2-B57C-660@compuserve.com>  J         It depends on which "DEC  Computer" you are talking about and whi= chJ graphics controller it has installed.  "GPX Graphics" (VAXstation II/GPX,=  J VAXstation 2000, VAXstation 3100/GPX) was 1024x868 and I wouldn't count o= n J any non-DEC monitor to display it.   SPX graphics was 1280x1024 and it is=  D possible to display on a Super VGA monitor that will accept "sync on? green".  Most of the modern DEC/Compaq stuff is VGA compatible.     ) Message text written by "Steven Shamlian" J >Is the color video signal from a DEC computer in any way compatible with=  aJ VGA monitor sporting BNC connectors?  If not, is it possible to create an=  H interface circuit to make the Digital display protocol (or whatever it's called) into VGA?<   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:54:53 -0400. From: "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> Subject: Re: BNC connectors 2 Message-ID: <8rbe94$gpb$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  - The VAX in question is a VAXStation 4000 VLC.  Thanks,  =+=Steve=+=   = "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote in message 0 news:200010022041_MC2-B57C-660@compuserve.com...K         It depends on which "DEC  Computer" you are talking about and which I graphics controller it has installed.  "GPX Graphics" (VAXstation II/GPX, J VAXstation 2000, VAXstation 3100/GPX) was 1024x868 and I wouldn't count onI any non-DEC monitor to display it.   SPX graphics was 1280x1024 and it is D possible to display on a Super VGA monitor that will accept "sync on? green".  Most of the modern DEC/Compaq stuff is VGA compatible.     ) Message text written by "Steven Shamlian" K >Is the color video signal from a DEC computer in any way compatible with a I VGA monitor sporting BNC connectors?  If not, is it possible to create an H interface circuit to make the Digital display protocol (or whatever it's called) into VGA?<   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 20:36:11 +0100 From: "SCO" <noone@dot.com> ) Subject: Finding MicroVAX info on the web ( Message-ID: <8raob3$2ep$1@supernews.com>   Hi all,   G I have been trawling the Compaq web site for MicorVAX 3100 info, but it K appears to have been removed! Is this the case or am I looking in the wrong  place?  G Anyway... I am trying to discover the difference between a KA53-A and a G KA55-A which are present in two MicroVAX 3100's both badged as 95's. If I anyone knows where I could find details on these (and others) it would be  greatly appreciated.   TIA.  
 Colin P Scott ( colin at hornby dash scott dot co dot uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:52:05 GMT  From: trevor_deja@my-deja.com  Subject: Free to Hobbyist (UK)) Message-ID: <8rai02$v6s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi  G I have a DEC VR319 19inch monochrome monitor (type that's used on a VAX @ VLC, 1280x1024 72Hz) that I no longer need.  Free to a good home3 (Hobbyist) if any one needs it.  I'm in Essex (UK).    Regards, Trevor    trevor_deja@my-deja.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:20:00 GMT  From: msharty@home.com (MJS)? Subject: Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc. 9 Message-ID: <39d8cda4.779857827@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com>   B AS you might be able to infer, I am not a VMS expert and have been( thrown into this somewhat unknowingly.    C Yes, we still have support for our current versions, but we can not D blanketly move up to the latest, greatest ( VMS 7.2) without killing: the entire reason for having the machine (application)...   D So any update of operating system software has to be done within theE confines of what we are allowed.  The pathworks update sounds like we F can pull it off.  We talk to xyplex terminal servers and the DEC VT320, program that installed along with Pathworks.  < I don't think we can go further than 6.2 without killing our application.  F I have them in seperate domains.  I will change that today.  I have noE idea how to specify to the Alpha that its a BDC.  Can you point me to = some documentation or other info on doing so ( marrying the 2  operating systems together)??   C We are running server based licensing.  Each workstation requests a < license and has to be granted one before they can connect to
 pathworks.  E I can not get a license to load into the4 NT server, probably becasue E my pathworks is to old.  We do have softwarre maintenance from DEC as E well, but the compnay has not really taken advantage of it due to the  application golden handcuffs.     3 On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:20:31 +0200, "Pathworks News" $ <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com> wrote:   >MJS,  >  >I don't understand.H >As far as we know we still 'support' VMS 6.2-H1 (from 1-april-1998 thisM >version is of the support list and can only be supported if you have a prior F >version contract) with various versions of Pathworks/Advanced Server.- >In this Pathworks v6.0c-eco1 is recommended. K >What I do see in your message is that you are running a very old Pathworks @ >version that isn't supported any more. (not even y2k compliant)K >Further, the easiest way to solve your problem is to set both environments " >(NT and Pathworks) in one domain.> >This with one PDC (either Pathworks or NT) and several BDC's.K >The problem with not able to connect to Pathworks from NT is easily solved ' >with the use of Server-Based licenses. 1 >I hope this gives some clarity to your problems,  > 	 >regards,  >  >-- 
 >Daniel Grund  >  >Compaq  >Customer Services# >Microsoft Certified Support Centre 2 >Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europe >  >The Netherlands* >"MJS" <msharty@home.com> wrote in message4 >news:39d7f8fc.725409457@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com...E >> We have been running merrily along on an Alpha 275/4 server for 4+ F >> years now.  However, our application software will not run on newerH >> verions of OPEN VMS, and the vendor has announced the dis-continuance/ >> of support for it within the next two years.  >>I >> We have begun a process of moving our day to day file systems to NT4.0 ( >> along with a couple of new functions. >>" >> Specifically, we are "stuck" at >> >> OpenVMS 6.2-1H3 >> pathworks V5.0C
 >> DOS LM 2.1  >>B >> We are currently running pathworks to our 95 clients.  They areE >> running TCP/IP and netbeui now.  Our network consists of 3 class C F >> address spaces, linked with routers.  Each subnet can see their ownE >> PC's but none of the ones on the other 2 networks,  They can reach A >> each other via known TCP/IP addresses for each machine though.  >>I >> I can make a client log into the NT box, I can log into pathworks, but  >> I can not log into both.  >>C >> I can not seem to get Nt to log into the ALpha.  I can see it in I >> network neighborhood, but when I click on the serber I get no pathwork I >> license.  My V5.0 software will not load on the Nt server as a client.  >>D >> I had the NT box set up as a PDC.  It has WINS enabled.  PointingD >> clients (W95) TCP/IP stacks to the WINS server (enabled) does not= >> allow 2 PC's to see each other across the entoire network.  >> >> What I need to accomplish:  >>A >> 1) I want to be able to log into my file spaces ( per user) in C >> both NT and Pathworks, and be able to move files between them as 
 >> needed. >>A >> 2) I want all desktop PC's to show up in Network neighborhood.  >>H >> From the previous messages posted, I'm hoping that my system softwareD >> is new enough to make this happen.  We updated as far as we couldI >> without killing our app software as part of the Y2K process so I don't  >> think I can go further. >>G >> I can not find a single reference to pathworks on the Microsoft site  >> so I'm out of luck there. >>E >> If I could get NT to see the files ( log-in) to the Alpha, I might . >> then be able to share those connections.... >>) >> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  >>) >> I can be reached at ;  sharty@ccbs.com  >>5 >> Thank you in advance for your help in this matter,  >> >> >> >  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:30:49 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>? Subject: Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc. 4 Message-ID: <1001002212714.338A-100000@Ives.egh.com>   On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, MJS wrote: [...] > > I don't think we can go further than 6.2 without killing our > application.  = How do you know this?  Has the vendor actually said "It won't  work"?  < Virtually all VMS user mode applications written for VMS 6.2( or VMS 1.0) will work just fine on V7.2.  9 Maybe they just don't know, and haven't bothered to test.   ; If they are dropping support for the app, I don't think you 9 would be any worse off running an unsupported app on V7.2 = than on V6.2, and at least you will have current O/S support.    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  $ Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 22:51:55 -0400# From: "Ram Rajadhyaksha" <dev@null>   Subject: MicroVax 3100 Questions Message-ID: <39d949f1$1@news>   F Hi, I inherited partial responsibility for a MV3100/95. I have minimalF knowledge about VMS, mostly from reading those big thick documentation) volumes. Anyways, I have a few questions:   E Our disk space is running out on the system volume. Doing a search, I < determined that the file SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1 inK DKA300:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE] is growing every day. Is there anything I can do  about this?   L Is BITMAP.SYS in DKA300:[000000] really the volume bitmap? That seems reallyJ scary to have some low-level fs construct exposed as a file system object.  I We have a crappy 8mm tape drive that came with the box. Can we replace it K with a DDS3 drive (or something else that doesn't suck) and have it work? I J read the SCSI drive FAQ but it didn't mention anything about tape devices.  F Speaking of tapes, can you run multiple BACKUP commands with differentK savesets to the same tape? When the tape runs out of room, I assume it will   eject and wait for another tape?  L Sorry if these are real basic but I haven't found answers for any of this in the documentation.   -- Ram Rajadhyaksha DLZ Corporation  www.dlzcorp.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 22:24:56 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net $ Subject: Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions9 Message-ID: <39d946a8$4$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   " In <39d949f1$1@news>, on 10/02/00 3    at 10:24 PM, "Ram Rajadhyaksha" <dev@null> said:   G >Hi, I inherited partial responsibility for a MV3100/95. I have minimal G >knowledge about VMS, mostly from reading those big thick documentation * >volumes. Anyways, I have a few questions:  F >Our disk space is running out on the system volume. Doing a search, I= >determined that the file SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1 in I >DKA300:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE] is growing every day. Is there anything I can  >do about this?   % First you can type from the $ prompt:    PURGE/LOG DKA300:[000000...]  F That may help free up some space.  Second you might wish to perform anH orderly shutdown of the machine.  VMS is so reliable that people tend toD leave it up for years at a time.  You should have a growing operatorI console log as well.  From the SYSTEM account type the following at the $  prompt:    @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN  G just keep hitting return and taking the default answers.  Under options J you may wish to choose SAVE_FEEDBACK then do some reading about SYSGEN and" using feedback to tune the system.  8 Once you reboot the system again type from the $ prompt:   PURGE DKA300:[000000...]  C This will get rid of the old operator log and old journaling files.   F >Is BITMAP.SYS in DKA300:[000000] really the volume bitmap? That seemsJ >really scary to have some low-level fs construct exposed as a file system >object.  B I'm not a systems manager by trade...just a programmer/consultant.  J >We have a crappy 8mm tape drive that came with the box. Can we replace itJ >with a DDS3 drive (or something else that doesn't suck) and have it work?D >I read the SCSI drive FAQ but it didn't mention anything about tape	 >devices.   H I don't remember about the VAX line.  Some of the older workstations hadG "dec scsi" not "exactly" the scsi standard.  Some periferals worked and E others didn't.  You can watch EBAY for DEC TAPE and per chance get an J actual DEC manufactured SCSI tape drive which will work with it.  I bid onH one and won it, but we were below the "reserve" price so the seller took their pride and went home.  G >Speaking of tapes, can you run multiple BACKUP commands with different G >savesets to the same tape? When the tape runs out of room, I assume it & >will eject and wait for another tape?  I You can, but I don't recommend it.  In order to get to the second savesetoI on the tape it has to sequetially stream through the first save set.  TissH quite slow.  Is your tape drive a TK50 type drive?  If you wish to do so% you can do it.  At the $ prompt type:r   HELP BACKUP-  D you are looking for the /REWIND qualifier.  The default is /REWIND IH believe, but /NOREWIND tells the backup package to leave the tape at itsG current position.  Thus if you have a command file MY_SYSTEM_BACKUP.COMe( that looks something like the following:   $ MOUNT/FOR MUA0: my_tapeeC $ BACKUP/NOREWIND DKA300:[000000...]*.*;* MY_TAPE:DKA300.BCK/SAVE $ J BACKUP/NOREWIND DKA200:[000000...]*.*;* MY_TAPE:DKA200.BCK/SAVE $ DISMOUNT MY_TAPE   J and the tape was big enough to hold everything it would put both save sets on the inital tape.-   Roland   -- -; -----------------------------------------------------------0D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------:   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 04:08:24 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)c$ Subject: Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions' Message-ID: <8rbm3o$qgm$1@joe.rice.edu>t  " Ram Rajadhyaksha (dev@null) wrote:H : Hi, I inherited partial responsibility for a MV3100/95. I have minimalH : knowledge about VMS, mostly from reading those big thick documentation+ : volumes. Anyways, I have a few questions:u  G : Our disk space is running out on the system volume. Doing a search, Ia> : determined that the file SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1 inK : DKA300:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE] is growing every day. Is there anything I can o : do about this?  D That's a manifestation of a known problem in the VMS Queue Manager. B To alleviate the symptom; i.e., to shrink  the file back to normal size:-     $ jbc :== $jbc$command   $ jbc    JBC$COMMAND> diagnostic 7m  C Then apply the appropriate patch, which you can locate by going to:D  $   http://search.service.digital.com/*   Compaq: Compaq Services Software Patches  + and performing a search for "QMAN$JOURNAL".f  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:25:17 GMT$= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)l" Subject: Re: NJ--VAX/VMS Operators0 Message-ID: <009F1015.D0A7652F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  l In article <lQzB5.16972$NS5.188712@news6.giganews.com>, "William Hymen" <t18_pilot@hotmail.spam.com> writes:0 >Central New Jersey begins at the Raritan River. >Bill   G Like I've said, the definition I used comes from the NJ Monthly Mag.  IiH hold NJ job posters to the defintions in that mag if I approve a posting for VMSnet.Employment. --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMn            nO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 14:23:51 -0500y3 From: "Gareth V. Williams" <graff@cfa0.harvard.edu>r1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? , Message-ID: <39d8d2b7.0@cfanews.harvard.edu>  ( D.Webb <david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk> wrote:  	 : Gareth,   : : Did you do any investigation before deleting the files ?   : eg   : ANAL/DISKe  J   Regrettably, no.  Unlike the other poster who reported a similar problemC that affected only log files, the files affected on our system wereCN time-critical files that needed to be processed further immediately to preventC a processing backlog occurring.  Thus the quick fix of deleting andr regenerating the files.X  5 : (Does Analyze/DISK still work with ODS-5 volumes ?)a  I : Also did the duplicated files have separate FILE IDS  or was there only 1 : one real file with multiple directory entries ?a  L   There was one real file with multiple directory entries.  On first glance,L it looks as if the shuffling of blocks within the .DIR file was interrupted.     --  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------H Gareth V. Williams, MS 18, 60 Garden Street, Cambridge, MA 02138, U.S.A.+ Associate Director, IAU Minor Planet CenteraH gwilliams@cfa.harvard.edu        http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/mpc.html7 OpenVMS & RISC OS: refined choices in operating systemsS   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:03:24 GMTs% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>n1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?V) Message-ID: <8rapm5$6g8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   0 In article <8qtbg0$i4u$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>,!   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:u >vF > Just upgraded our Academic Alpha cluster to VMS 7.2-1 and put on JDK 1.2. >h= > I'm considering whether to upgrade our user disks to ODS-5.X >t$ > Are people using ODS-5 a lot yet ? > 8 > Any problems with applications or any other problems ?  9 I've found a problem with BACKUP on V7.2-1 some time ago.i@ I don't recall it exactly, but BACKUP did not save files when itC encountered a mix of <> and [], something like DISK:[SYS0.]<SYSMGR>e The system disk ODS-2, only.  E It is reported to Compaq and I have been told that the cause has beenn1 found, but the fix is not yet in an official ECO.c   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:22:35 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>r" Subject: Re: opendir/readdir VAXC?) Message-ID: <39D8C45A.55ED5AA2@gtech.com>-   Bob Koehler wrote:_ > In article <8r0iqv$u4c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Vito Prosciutto <vitoprosciutto@excite.com> writes: J > > When I try to link something that uses opendir/readdir, I get an errorK > > back indicating that these names are unknown to the linker... any ideas-I > > on how to get around this? Anyone have the VMS lib calls & example of' > > use? > >kJ > > Here's something that according to help cc runtime should work but hasK > > the linking problem described above. An equivalent with VMS calls would / > > be handy if I can't resolve the link issue., > G > You didn't say what version of VMS you're running.  Assuming you haveH0 > opendir/readdir, see the FAQ: SOFT5 on /prefix   /PREFIX and VAX C ????   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:28:44 GMTH2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE3 Message-ID: <gDaC5.44$_7.19281@typhoon.aracnet.com>   " Veli Krkk <korkko@decus.fi> wrote:@ > Phone relies on DECnet and I would say Phone needs DECnet even: > on local node to local node access but of course I might > be wrong.R  * > Therefore it would be necessary to know    > a) what VMS versiond   OpenVMS V7.2/Alpha  9 > b) do you have DECnet installed, configured and startedo   Yes   6 > c) what kind of DECnet that is, i.e. DECnet Phase IV5 >    or DECnet Phase V aka DECnet/OSI aka DECnet/Plusi   DECnet Phase V      B > With DECnet/Plus one should check the session control app PHONE, > i.e.  5 > $ MC NCL SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION PHONE ALLa  4 > and pay attention to item "User name". There is no > password item. o  L OK, included below is this and as much info as I could think to dig up.  I'mM stumped on this one.  If SYSTEM has PHONE running any user can phone SYSTEM. oL SYSTEM can phone any user.  No user can phone another user even if that user is running PHONE already.e   			Zanep      3 $ MC NCL SHOW SESSION CONTROL APPLICATION PHONE ALLh  ( Node 0 Session Control Application PHONE$ at 2000-10-02-19:00:56.725-07:00Iinf   Identifierso  -     Name                              = PHONE    Status  (     Process Identifiers               =         {        }L     UID                               = E2E3FF5A-97C7-11D4-8122-AA0004008CF2   Characteristics   7     Client                            = <Default value> (     Addresses                         =         {           number = 29e        },     Outgoing Proxy                    = True,     Incoming Proxy                    = True-     Outgoing Alias                    = Falsek,     Incoming Alias                    = True,     Node Synonym                      = True<     Image Name                        = SYS$SYSTEM:PHONE.EXE6     User Name                         = "PHONE$SERVER"7     Incoming OSI TSEL                 = <Default value>u7     OutgoingAlias Name                = <Default value>r)     Network Priority                  = 0s   Counters  I     Creation Time                     = 2000-10-01-19:23:06.147-07:00Iinfp   $    Also:   ( $ dir /prot SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]PHONE.EXE   Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]t  & PHONE.EXE;1          (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)       UAF> sho phone$serverh  G Username: PHONE$SERVER                     Owner:  PHONE$SERVER Default < Account:  DECNETV                          UIC:    [376,372] ([DECNETV,PHONE$SERe VER])s< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES% Default:  SYS$SPECIFIC:[PHONE$SERVER]  LGICMD:   NLA0:o Flags:  Restricted+ Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri        v+ Secondary days:                     Sat SuneF Primary   000000000011111111112222  Secondary 000000000011111111112222F Day Hours 012345678901234567890123  Day Hours 012345678901234567890123F Network:  ##### Full access ######            ##### Full access ######F Batch:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Local:    -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Dialup:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------F Remote:   -----  No access  ------            -----  No access  ------D Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  6   Login Fails:     0? Pwdlifetime:         90 00:00    Pwdchange:      (pre-expired) o> Last Login:            (none) (interactive), 28-SEP-2000 16:45 (non-interactive)o9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       100  Bytlm:        64000s9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0n9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       150  JTquota:       4096 9 Prclm:           8  DIOlm:       150  WSdef:         2000>9 Prio:            4  ASTlm:       250  WSquo:         4000t9 Queprio:         4  TQElm:        10  WSextent:     16384t9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      2000  Pgflquo:      50000> Authorized Privileges: t   NETMBX       TMPMBXr Default Privileges:    NETMBX       TMPMBXs UAF>    % $ set def SYS$SPECIFIC:[PHONE$SERVER]t $ dir   % Directory SYS$SPECIFIC:[PHONE$SERVER]h  O NET$SERVER.LOG;5    NET$SERVER.LOG;4    NET$SERVER.LOG;3    NET$SERVER.LOG;2   l NET$SERVER.LOG;1       Total of 5 files.t $ type NET$SERVER.LOGn
 $ Set NoOn/ $ VERIFY = F$VERIFY(F$TRNLNM("SYLOGIN_VERIFY"))t  @         --------------------------------------------------------  ;         Connect request received at 28-SEP-2000 16:45:14.10e0             from remote process DOC::"0=HEALYZH"5             for object "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]PHONE.EXE"s  @         --------------------------------------------------------  1 You do not have the privilege to place that call.>  @         --------------------------------------------------------  ;         Connect request received at 28-SEP-2000 16:45:32.18e0             from remote process DOC::"0=HEALYZH"5             for object "SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]PHONE.EXE"   @         --------------------------------------------------------  8   PHONE$SERVER job terminated at 28-SEP-2000 16:51:06.06     Accounting information:bK   Buffered I/O count:                215      Peak working set size:   1824nK   Direct I/O count:                   66      Peak virtual size:     167968 F   Page faults:                       520      Mounted volumes:    	  0K   Charged CPU time:        0 00:00:00.18      Elapsed time:   0 00:05:52.570 $    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 01:36:21 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE3 Message-ID: <pKaC5.45$_7.19281@typhoon.aracnet.com>o  9 Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote:V$ >  But that is the one way to check:A > 1. remove all privileges from SYSTEM user session and check, ife< >  PHONE works; if yes - then the suspected reason may be in: >  file protection (because "system user" and "disk owner"- >  or group) or process quotas mentioned heree9 > 2. if not - add privileges one-by-one (och, yes, can beh5 >  with the "check half" alghoritm done) and find the- >  required...  K OK, I can see where this makes sense, BUT, is it safe?  Somehow this soundsuE dangerous to me.  Of course I could always go the other route and add   everything to a user account....  . >  The real reason can be interesting for us !   Agreed!r   			Zanet   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 19:37:47 GMTo1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)  Subject: Re: SOAPr+ Message-ID: <8rao6b$efm$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>N  F So, I take it I can assume this particular SOAP has nothing to do withC the SOAP Server designed and implemented by Andrew Tannenbaum under0 Amoeba??   bill   -- bJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:21:50 +0200t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>P+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilee) Message-ID: <39D8C42E.5486BADC@gtech.com>s   Bill Gunshannon wrote:N >|> You mean that if they weren't shutdown every Good Friday your Unix systemsB >|> would not have been shutdown (taken into single-user mode) for* >|> security patches in over 5 years ?????H > You mean people there haven't upgraded to a more recent version of VMS > in over 5 years??f  ? Many VMS systems does not get upgraded, if it is not necesarry.dA You will probaby still find a lot of 5.5-2 system and I know that ) there many 6.2/6.2-1Hx systems out there.k  D >                   Or should I assume you can upgrade VMS without a
 > reboot??  H No - not unless you consider a cluster rolling upgrade "without reboot".  H >               I would be very skeptical of anyone who's siad they haveE > machines running with 5 years of uptime for exactly the reasons yout
 > give above.U   ????  C If we count the number of security updates for the last 5 years fory= VMS 6.2, DEC OSF/1 3.2, Solaris 2.4 (which I guess are almosty< from the same time), then I am very sure that the VMS number4 are orders of magnitudes smaller than the other two.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:20:42 +0100 + From: Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk>u+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilel8 Message-ID: <c1khts8if3id68corl2uoa8prn6180q50i@4ax.com>  B 45, VMS since about 1986, after a year putting  pdp11's into Royal4 Navy ships. I was working for DEC from 1985 to 1989.  C Keep getting told by agents that I need to get into NT or UNIX, butdE the phone keeps ringing with VMS contracts. Outlook for VMS contractstC in the UK looks good to me as there seem to be less and less peopleo+ out there who can or want to work with VMS.      Ray.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:06:00 GMTr3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>l+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilee/ Message-ID: <39D8EA15.B0B3B4FB@cableinet.co.uk>    Ray Swadling wrote:d > D > 45, VMS since about 1986, after a year putting  pdp11's into Royal6 > Navy ships. I was working for DEC from 1985 to 1989. > E > Keep getting told by agents that I need to get into NT or UNIX, but G > the phone keeps ringing with VMS contracts. Outlook for VMS contractsdE > in the UK looks good to me as there seem to be less and less peoplen- > out there who can or want to work with VMS.T >   F Yes, but are there any interesting new VMS based project starting with lotsF of nice hardware to work with, or is it just babysitting dinasaur apps into and NT Unix grave?    F I've seen just a few hints things might be looking up on jobserve just	 recently.    > Ray.   -- sA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.uk   C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of d! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:30:16 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) + Subject: Re: This list participants profile$0 Message-ID: <009F1016.82C7B928@SendSpamHere.ORG>  U In article <39D79C28.DCA3C0E3@iee.org>, "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:c >  >k >David A Froble wrote: >>   >> Tim Llewellyn wrote:f >> > >> > David A Froble wrote: >> > >> > > "antonio.carlini" wrote:  >> > > >/ >> > > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:WJ >> > > > > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since 7BC.  ;) >> > > >5 >> > > > I like to learn something knew every day ... < >> > > > thank you for teaching me today that the calculator* >> > > > accessory on W98 really sucks :-) >> > >3 >> > > Well, long before that, base16 really sucks.- >> > > >> > > 7 * 256 + 11 * 16 + 12  >> > >6 >> > > Which part of that did the calculator choke on? >> >E >> >  Come on guys, you have a hex to decimal converter in DCL. Thats % >> > how I worked out Brian's age :-)- >> > >> > $ zzz=%x28- >> > $ sh symb zzz5 >> >   ZZZ = 40   Hex = 00000028  Octal = 00000000050M >> >; >> > Just why does one need to get Windows involved at all?a >> 0S >> It's not windoz so much as remembering when this was taught w/out computer help.r >:= >For the record I saw 28 and 7BC and realised it was hex ... a? >in fact I thought it worked out quite neatly. The day I cannott= >do 28(16) to 40(10) in my head is the day I stop working :-)u0 >but 7BC does not crop up often enough for me to: >know immediately that it is 1980. All I had handy was the+ >W98 calculator so I fired it up and typed:$ >	7*256+11*16+12 >and ended up with 28860.    :)  ? >This has to be the first time since about the early 1970s thatr@ >I have found a calculator that doesn't handle normal arithmetic >rules of precedence properly! >  >Antonio >  >--  >j >---------------. >Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    J I was afraid folks might have considered the 7BC to 7 years before Compaq.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             RO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 21:42:19 +0100a+ From: Ray Swadling <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk>u+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile 8 Message-ID: <gprhtsoh9iqcnbqc76jk4fn22bmed9jb71@4ax.com>  G >Yes, but are there any interesting new VMS based project starting witha >lotswG >of nice hardware to work with, or is it just babysitting dinasaur appsI >intod >and NT Unix grave?   F Well, I'll admit that most are of the "babysitting" variety, but thatsA what tends to come out to contractors. Those companies where theyA> still have legacy VMS systems but they can't get any permanent( employees to hitch their careers to VMS.F So far, this type of work has kept the mortgage paid for several yearsE and looks set to be that way for several more as well. Companies havemD optimistic ideas about how fast they can get  replacement systems up and running.  E My personal view is that as we move more and more towards "mainframe"<E UNIX systems, the perceived advantages of UNIX/NT against the VMS/MVSs7 systems of this world become harder to see and exploit.SE Certainly thats what I hear from people at the site I'm currently at,r( and they are not all VMS biased people.   F This I believe is where Compaq should be aiming for....get the backendB datacenter systems and then you can get all those IT managers back, into the idea that VMS is alive and kicking.  F I must admit that it would be nice to get a contract to run a nice new> VMS system for someone who has committed their furture to VMS.    B By the way, the site I am currently at looks like it has just been@ bitten by the SUN E10K cache bug.....systems bought in April and started crashing last weekend.   Ray.   >gG >I've seen just a few hints things might be looking up on jobserve just-
 >recently. >- >> Ray.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 20:57:44 GMTr3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk> + Subject: Re: This list participants profiler/ Message-ID: <39D8F633.81F09880@cableinet.co.uk>t   Ray Swadling wrote:r > I > >Yes, but are there any interesting new VMS based project starting with  > >lotscI > >of nice hardware to work with, or is it just babysitting dinasaur appsO > >intoo > >and NT Unix grave?  > H > Well, I'll admit that most are of the "babysitting" variety, but thatsC > what tends to come out to contractors. Those companies where theyu@ > still have legacy VMS systems but they can't get any permanent* > employees to hitch their careers to VMS.  G ... because VMS isn't "strategic" for them anymore, perhaps? Who'd want  to do that, realistically.  H > So far, this type of work has kept the mortgage paid for several yearsG > and looks set to be that way for several more as well. Companies haveeF > optimistic ideas about how fast they can get  replacement systems up > and running.  H Sure, I do know about that effect, I have been benefiting also recently.? However, I do find it ultimately unrewarding in all ways exceptc financiallyeA and the satisfaction in keeping the VMS boxes ticking over, to be  working-? for an organization who's IT philosophy is vigorously anti-VMS.   G It seems to me the VMS shops that were set up well only need operators :E and some ad-hoc consultancy from time to time. Hence the large numberoF of VMS operator contracts around (larger than sysmgr ones anyway). Its the H ones that were setup not-so-well (tactful today, ain't I, it is possible withH VMS like any other system) and are now frozen in anticapation of what is to come + that need a fulltime sysmgr type or types.    E Personally, I'd be much more interested in deploying or enhancing VMS  applicationsB in a positive scenario. However, I ain't going permie just yet...  > G > My personal view is that as we move more and more towards "mainframe"eG > UNIX systems, the perceived advantages of UNIX/NT against the VMS/MVSs9 > systems of this world become harder to see and exploit.eG > Certainly thats what I hear from people at the site I'm currently at, ) > and they are not all VMS biased people., >  Interesting times, we live in.  H > This I believe is where Compaq should be aiming for....get the backendD > datacenter systems and then you can get all those IT managers back. > into the idea that VMS is alive and kicking. > D Yup, but they also need to grow outside the niche markets, encourageH VMS awareness in education and move VMS back towards the low end/desktop; in some manner that makes sense with their buisiness model.2  H > I must admit that it would be nice to get a contract to run a nice new@ > VMS system for someone who has committed their furture to VMS. >   G Yes, if I was a manager I think I'd prefer a contractor getting the jobh9 done than having to deal with all that permie discontent.,  D > By the way, the site I am currently at looks like it has just beenB > bitten by the SUN E10K cache bug.....systems bought in April and  > started crashing last weekend. >  :=) :=) :=)s    u -- iA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.ukn  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 17:05:10 -0400O) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>C+ Subject: RE: This list participants profile:B Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A6211@and02.drc.com>  < > In article <39D79C28.DCA3C0E3@iee.org>, "antonio.carlini"  > <arcarlini@iee.org> writes:I > >  > > ? > >For the record I saw 28 and 7BC and realised it was hex ... rA > >in fact I thought it worked out quite neatly. The day I cannotl? > >do 28(16) to 40(10) in my head is the day I stop working :-) 2 > >but 7BC does not crop up often enough for me to< > >know immediately that it is 1980. All I had handy was the- > >W98 calculator so I fired it up and typed:s > >	7*256+11*16+12 > >and ended up with 28860.  >   @ The problem is not lack of knowledge of precedence it is lack of% understanding of the tool being used.   A A calculator, like an adding machine, performs the operation whenTB the next operator key is pressed and displays the running total.  G Try this on a real calculator and you will get the same result (28860).     5 Keyspressed    7 * 256  +  11   *   16  +       12  =1  9 Running Total          1792   1803    28848         28860Y      = So the windows98 calculator emulates a calculator accurately..  B Now if you got this result in a spreadsheet or something else thatE evaluates the entire expression (rather than one operation at a time)c you'd have a valid complaint.     E (The little Royal LD4 calculator that I carry around was used to test 3 this and it also calculated the value to be 28860.)      Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------   Date: 2 Oct 2000 22:26 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) + Subject: Re: This list participants profile , Message-ID: <2OCT200022261896@gerg.tamu.edu>  6 "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> writes...K }        Really!  It performed the operations indicated in the order given=# }.. =l } H }My Palm III gives the same result.  It's the result I'd expect from any  }calculator that I've ever used.E }        Now if you give it to a program that parses the whole thing,eK }applies the "rules" and performs it as (7*256) + (11*16) + 12,  then, and=- } K }only then, do you get 1980.  I've never seen a calculator that does that.=i } =  } I }My old H-P 35 which used Reverse Polish Notation could have done it yourxK }way with relative ease but you'd still have had to push the buttons in th=n }e }right sequence to get 1980.  I I don't recall using a calculator that did it wrong like that any time in0J the last 20 years. (I avoid RPN calculators like the plague that they are,L but I would hope that most of them would still get it right without operator intervention.)   How about this, done on VMS:   $ calc IC> 7*256+11*16+12         1980  C That was with the common "ICALC" program (there may be a version of0@ it on the freeware CD, certianly there is out on the various VMS software web sites).   Or, even better:  ! $ write sys$output 7*256+11*16+12V 1980  3 DCL gets it right. (This is not really a surprise.)$  F If you have a calculator that doesn't work this way, it is broken - itH may have come that way, and may even have been "designed" (by some looseA definition of the term) to work that way, but it is still broken.   A I just checked the calculator that comes with Windows NT. You get C different results depending on which mode you are in. In "standard"mF mode (obviously Microsoft is using their own definition of "standard",C as usual) it gets the wrong answer. In "scientific" mode it does it-B right. I always switch the thing to scientific mode, since most ofF the functions are missing if you don't, so I never noticed that it didC it wrong in "standard" mode. (Not that I use it very often anyway.)   L BTW, when I saw "7BC" I originally assumed it meant "7 years Before Compaq".   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 18:40:04 GMT  From: gurlavie@hotmail.com- Subject: Updating to VMS 7.2 in a cluster envi) Message-ID: <8rakq3$1ln$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,2   My VMS 6.2 cluster contains -1% a.  2* VAX 4200, VMS 6.2 DSSI CONNECT D b.  2* ALPHA 4000, VMS 6.2, SCSI cluster connect + 2*SW300+ 2*HSZ50, shared (single) system disko c.  2 VAX 4100, VMS 6.2  d.  2* alpha 1000, VMS 7.2  C All of the above are connected via a LAN based cluster between each- other.  E I am need to upgrade my alpha server 4000 to VMS 7.2, but only one oflF the two. Any knowledge about a systematic, and checked way of doing so while keeping :t5 a. the data on the sw300 disks available to all usersr b. the same authorize database  
 Some points :eB 1. Do I need to disconnect the SCSI cables between the computers ?G 2. DO I need to keep a SW300+HSZ controler for every computer and serve  the disks to the cluster ?B 3. How should I recreate the cluster after updating the second 6.2 alpha computer) 4. what should I do with the qurom disk ?h     Thanks,h   Lavie     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy..   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 19:41:10 GMTs( From: Tony Siu <tonysiu8646@my-deja.com>' Subject: VAXft system services on FT810r) Message-ID: <8raocm$592$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   	 Hi there,   E We have a VAXft 810 fault tolerant system currently running VMS 5.5-2-, HF and would need to upgrade it to VMS v6.2.> In order to maintain its fault tolerant capacity, a Compaq/DECF representative told me that VAXft system services (FTSS) software v4.2C or above is required for VMS v6.2 upgrade.  (FTSS v2.0 is currentlyi installed on the system)A Unfortunately, my Compaq representative was not able to locate FT E system service software anywhere since support for it was terminated.t  F Can anyone help me in finding a copy of VAXft system services softwareD v4.2 or above.  Also, any info. and pointers in upgrading ft810 from- VMS 5.5-2HF to 6.2 would be much appreciated.e   Thanks in advance!!!      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.g   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.552 ************************