1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 03 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 553       Contents: Re: Backup Software  Re: Backup Software  Re: BASIC media  Re: BNC connectors- Re:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory , Re: Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory DSSI bus terminationI Re: Duplicate File Issues (Was: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?) $ Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web$ Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web$ Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web$ Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web FTP Performance Question3 FWD:Retired Real Estate Broker Tells ALL -ifajivtpn 6 Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.6 Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.6 Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.# help with c and vms file attributes ' Re: help with c and vms file attributes ' Re: help with c and vms file attributes  Hobbyist and TCP/IP Lic  Re: Hobbyist and TCP/IP Lic  Information a CPU's  Re: Information a CPU's  LA 120 Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!! Macro Reference  Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions  Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions  MicroVax 3400 needs scsi Re: MicroVax 3400 needs scsi Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.2  Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.2  Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.2 ( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?( Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? Re: opendir/readdir VAXC?  OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE  Problems buying an Alpha?  Re: Problems buying an Alpha?  Re: Problems buying an Alpha? # Re: remote tailing of file with UCX  Reset file version number? Re: Reset file version number? Re: Reset file version number?4 Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"8 Re: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"8 RE: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"8 Re: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full" SWCC and Pathworks+ Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. " Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" RE: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile# User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12 ' Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12  VAX8530  RE: VAX8530  RE: VAX8530  Re: VAX8530 0 VAXstation 4000 VLC video (was:  BNC connectors)  VMS error: %SYSTEM-F-IVIDENT ..., Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 08:22:13 -0700% From: "Paul Jones" <pjones@i-s-e.com>  Subject: Re: Backup Software? Message-ID: <y3nC5.14975$Ow4.479646@news-west.usenetserver.com>    Mr. Abrams,   K ISE offers a complete EnterpriseBackup software package. Please contact ISE D at 310.643.7310 or email sales@i-s-e.com. If you want to qualify theK technical issues before testing our software, ask for Support when you call G in. Support would be happy to explain how to configure your Jukebox and L better yet how to serve the Jukebox out to nodes within a network (outside aJ cluster). ISE offers a free demo for your evaluation. We would be happy toL refer you to customers doing exactly what you are requesting. ISE is at CETSH in Los Angeles all week. ISE is part of Compaq's Solution Alliance often* recommended by Compaq OpenVMS Ambassadors.   Thanks Paul at ISE  310.643.7310  G <v.abrams@gte.net> wrote in message news:8rabpb$p96$1@nnrp1.deja.com... B > I need to buy Backup Software for unattended backup using a tapeE > jukebox. I am currently thinking of ABS from Compaq or Tapesys from H > Software Partners. I back up approximately 140 GB which will double in > the next few years.  > A > Does anyone have any recommendations from your own experience ?  >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:29:27 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Backup SoftwareL Message-ID: <rdeininger-0310001329270001@user-2ive6jt.dialup.mindspring.com>  J In article <8rbq61$14f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, matthew_tevenan@dantz.com wrote:  E > Hi there. I'd recommend giving Retrospect Backup a try. It supports " > the latest tape libraries (check@ > <http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list> to@ > make sure yours is supported), plus gives you true incremental= > backups and easy, one-step restores. Give the free trial at  > www.betterbackup a whirl.   D I generally recommend Retrospect also -- for Macs.  I didn't realize2 Dantz had branched out and started supporting VMS.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:29:56 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> Subject: Re: BASIC media) Message-ID: <39D9D126.ED714853@wi.rr.com>   C If you are looking for the BASIC compiler for your hobbyist system, B all you have to do is ask someone who subscribes to the ConDist if" you can have one of their old CDs.  3 As Hoff says, "Ask question here, get answer here."   
 -Scott ;^)  * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:   > All, > L > I have the hobbiest distribution on my Alpha.  It comes with a license forI > BASIC but no distribution media.  What is the best avenue for obtaining I > the software distribution?  Plunking down the full $500 with DEC.  As I J > recall that was the cost for my commercial VAX system back when I set it > up.  > 2 > Please feel free to private email on this issue. >  > Roland >  > --= > ----------------------------------------------------------- F > yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"8 >                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52: >                             For a Microsoft free univers= > -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:30:06 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: BNC connectors 8 Message-ID: <3dujtsg219eibj7f9krjik5udum3ts5o8l@4ax.com>  4 On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:54:53 -0400, "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> wrote:   . >The VAX in question is a VAXStation 4000 VLC.  G I hesitate to point you at DejaNews as it seems to have the memory span D of a particularly forgetful goldfish these days, but there have beenF several threads regarding VLC graphics specs and monitor compatibilityA over recent years.  Suffice it to say the answer is: it depends !   G Tell us what the video connector on the VLC looks like, or identify the F CPU model number (VS48K-XX), and you will receive further help.  ThereG were three graphics options, one which was truly VGA, and the other two C which were "workstation" sync-on-green fixed frequency devices.  To E support these latter two, you'd need a monitor which not only has BNC H connectors but describes itself as "multisync" and mentions the sync-on-D green capability.  Finally, the most expensive card was 1280x1024 atG 72Hz which had a 130Mhz dot clock, and you may find some monitors can't  handle this bandwidth at all.   D In the UK, I would get hold of a high-end Iiyama 17" or 19" screen -F these will handle just about anything and are very fine tubes to boot.   	John  --  
 John Laird   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 09:28:46 -0600 From: "JKJKJ" <KJKJ@KJKJ.COM> 6 Subject: Re:  Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory* Message-ID: <8rcu4e$nnd@usenet.pa.dec.com>  L I did not catch the original message, but we do a backup/delete on the filesI to nl: and see pretty much a night and day difference in performance.  We A once had a delete run for a week due to so many files, and with a / backup/delete the delete runs in about 4 hours.   
 Doug Melstrom  RDB Consultants     + jlsue <jlsuexxxz@home.com> wrote in message 2 news:vo95tskj6fa056j6he2qbihg2b4f6j5b7l@4ax.com...F > It seems the fastest way would be to delete each file by fileid, and; > then delete the directory file (probably requiring a "set E > file/nodirectory" first).  This requires *no* operations where file 5 > entries are removed from the directory file itself. 3 > Not speaking for anyone, certainly not DEC/Compaq / > (get rid of the xxxx in my address to e-mail)    ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 15:41:10 GMT ) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) 5 Subject: Re: Deleting 250,000+ files from a directory ' Message-ID: <8rcumm$3oh$1@joe.rice.edu>    JKJKJ (KJKJ@KJKJ.COM) wrote:N : I did not catch the original message, but we do a backup/delete on the filesK : to nl: and see pretty much a night and day difference in performance.  We C : once had a delete run for a week due to so many files, and with a 1 : backup/delete the delete runs in about 4 hours.  :  : Doug Melstrom  : RDB Consultants   G I installed DFU 2.7 on the smaller ALPHAs at work, and then ran timing  E tests on deletion of a directory containing 18,220 files, for a total  of 175,444 blocks:  *     - DFU            :           8 minutes*     - BACKUP/DELETE  :          25 minutes*     - DCL DELETE     :  4 hours  0 minutes  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:13:53 -04004 From: "Douglas Taylor" <taylor@crystal.nrl.navy.mil> Subject: DSSI bus termination * Message-ID: <8rd3vn$l78$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil>  ) Couple of simple questions about a MV3400   : 1. Do I need to terminate the DSSI bus on the front panel?  6 2. If I don't terminate the DSSI bus, what can happen?  8 3. If I absolutely need a terminator where do I get one?   Doug   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:38:51 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) R Subject: Re: Duplicate File Issues (Was: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ?)2 Message-ID: <39d99a71.2312600163@news.newsguy.com>  E On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 11:12:01 +0100, steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:    > I >I have seen a similar issue - about 10 months ago now - with one file on K >one ODS-2 disk at 7.1-1H2.  I can't remember what the file was off the top D >of my head but there were two entries for the same file in the sameL >directory on the same disk (and this is the same _actual_ directory, not in >a search list).  B Yes, I'm faiirly sure I saw this as well on an ODS-5 disk. I saw aF file duplicated in a directory and immediately ran ANAL/DISK/NOREPAIR.? No problems related to this were found and when I looked at the D directory again the duplication had gone. Unfortunately the originalB output had scrolled beyond the bufer and I started to doubt if I'dA seen the original duplication. I think we'd just had some cluster @ instability due to network problems just prior to this. Makes meE suspect that the problem wasn't actually on disk but just in a buffer 
 in memory,  3 Thiis was a cluster with shared SCSI bus, VMS 7.2-1    --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:38:20 +0200 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>- Subject: Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web & Message-ID: <39D9A90C.7491B58A@cli.de>   SCO schrieb: > 	 > Hi all,  > I > I have been trawling the Compaq web site for MicorVAX 3100 info, but it M > appears to have been removed! Is this the case or am I looking in the wrong  > place? > D Looks like they are restructuring their site. Unfortunately links to# the retired VAXen got lost :-( Try  9 http://www5.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/archive/index.html        --  B Es ist stets einfacher, den Menschen zu sagen, was sie tun sollen,8 als vorher herauszufinden, was eigentlich vor sich geht.  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:09:39 +0200/ From: fritz_chwolka@t-online.de (Fritz Chwolka) - Subject: Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web / Message-ID: <8rcepj$31l$15$1@news.t-online.com>   9 On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:36:11, "SCO" <noone@dot.com> wrote:   	 > Hi all,  > I > I have been trawling the Compaq web site for MicorVAX 3100 info, but it H > appears to have been removed! Is this the case or am I looking in the  >    Look at   ) http://www.vaxarchive.org/hw/field-gu.txt        Greetings from  6 Fritz Chwolka / collecting old computers just for fun\   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 13:52:39 +0200/ From: fritz_chwolka@t-online.de (Fritz Chwolka) - Subject: Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web / Message-ID: <8rcha7$47j$15$1@news.t-online.com>   9 On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 19:36:11, "SCO" <noone@dot.com> wrote:   	 > Hi all,  > I > I have been trawling the Compaq web site for MicorVAX 3100 info, but it K > appears to have been removed! Is this the case or am I looking in the wro    Look here tooooo  1 http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/mvax/mvax_faq.html ? http://sunsite.sut.ac.jp/pub/academic/computer-science/history/ $ http://www.telnet.hu/hamster/pdp-11/$ http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/pdp8/# http://highgate.comm.sfu.ca/~rcini/  ttp://www.retrobytes.org/      Greetings from  6 Fritz Chwolka / collecting old computers just for fun\   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:41:34 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> - Subject: Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web ' Message-ID: <39DA1A4E.10A5F7DC@iee.org>   
 SCO wrote: > 	 > Hi all,  > I > I have been trawling the Compaq web site for MicorVAX 3100 info, but it M > appears to have been removed! Is this the case or am I looking in the wrong  > place?   Probably never there :-)    I > Anyway... I am trying to discover the difference between a KA53-A and a I > KA55-A which are present in two MicroVAX 3100's both badged as 95's. If K > anyone knows where I could find details on these (and others) it would be  > greatly appreciated.  C The KA51/KA53 is the MicroVAX 3100-95 (or the VAX 4000-105 ... same  board, you flip < from one to the other with a console command). The module is 54-21797-01.: CPU is a 12ns NVAX (2KB VIC/8KB Pcache) with 512KB Bcache.  < The KA55 is the MicroVAX 3100-85. The module is 54-21797-04.@ CPU is a 16ns NVAX (8KB Pcache, VIC disabled) with 128KB Bcache.   Antonio      --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:37:15 -0400 . From: "Crowley, George M." <gmcrowley@tva.gov>! Subject: FTP Performance Question N Message-ID: <E43037234EFCCF11B99B0000F8014A40034937BB@knxwbnois1b.wbn.tva.gov>  < 	I'm seeing a difference in performance with FTP sending andJ receiving files.  If I start an FTP session with a remote node and 'GET' aJ file, the transfer rate is about 1000 k/sec, if I then 'PUT' the same fileJ back on the remote node, the transfer rate is about 40 k/sec. (VMS 7.1/UCS+ 4.1 Eco8) It seems to do this consistently.   ; 	Is there something I can look at to figure out why this is 
 happening?   	George    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 02:51:54 -0700 / From: real-estate-center10@eqrfhyqyp.excite.com < Subject: FWD:Retired Real Estate Broker Tells ALL -ifajivtpn? Message-ID: <rwimvmxvxshgigedqg.boarrthjeqf@gprsjcl.realin.com>    Dear Friend,  F Being a 25yr practicing Real Estate Broker I discovered after retirin= g a=20D closely guarded secret so phenomenal that I must share it with you!= =20   F This Real Estate loophole allows the average person to start and oper= ate=20F a Real Estate business without a license. The best part of this progr= am isuF that you get to keep all of the money. 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Order Today and receive for only= =20c $49.00 Shipping.is included!  9 ---------------------------------------------------------eF unsubscribers: Reply to this message with "unsubscribe" in subject li= ne.m9 ---------------------------------------------------------b   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:49:48 GMT  From: msharty@home.com (MJS)? Subject: Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.v9 Message-ID: <39d97e11.825029916@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com>r  A We gathered all of this knowledge as part of the Y2K process.  WetD would have liked to move up to the newer releases of their software.E The problem is that it has a medium amount of customization to it andE$ the cost would be high to move it.    E Further their later releases have a new look and feel that would haveSC required extensive user re-traning.  The decision to not update theU, application was made way before I got there.  E I know that this application uses a Synergy database, and it is not aM version that is "open"  F I have further info on pathworks, but I am going to post it to the dec* message from the pathworks support person.          D On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 21:30:49 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:   >On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, MJS wrote:  >[...]? >> I don't think we can go further than 6.2 without killing ouro >> application.M >i> >How do you know this?  Has the vendor actually said "It won't >work"?i >o= >Virtually all VMS user mode applications written for VMS 6.2p) >or VMS 1.0) will work just fine on V7.2.  > : >Maybe they just don't know, and haven't bothered to test. >i< >If they are dropping support for the app, I don't think you: >would be any worse off running an unsupported app on V7.2> >than on V6.2, and at least you will have current O/S support. >  >--  >John Santos >Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.  >781-861-0670 ext 539  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 06:59:57 GMTY From: msharty@home.com (MJS)? Subject: Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc. 9 Message-ID: <39d97efc.825264745@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com>-   Daniel ( and others!!!)-    C I spent several hours on the phone with COMPAQ (I do miss DEC), ande" came to the following conclusions:   We are running V5.0C.5  D Our client licenses (50+) are  "CC" types.  They will only work withE V5.0C & 5.0F, and WILL NOT work with V6.0C.  If this is notr correct,0B please let me know becasue decisions are being made based on this.C We would have to buy updates for all of these licenses to work withl V6.0C   A We also were at some time in 1998 sold (20+) additional pathworks D licenses that are type "CA".  These will work with Pathworks V5.0F &E V6.0C, but will NOT work with our current version V5.0C.  So it seemsb4 we were sold goods that we were never able ti use.    C Compaq sales has directed me to see if V5.0F can be bought from thet> archives becasuie it will support "CC" and "CA" type licenses.  E I added the VAX box as a server to the PDC/NT box.  I was able to geteD access to both, but only through pre-defined public shares.  I couldB not get to an NT directory that the user profile pointed to as its home.r  D As a user name on the VAX with a matching name on the NT server thatC had been assigned admin rights, I was able to connect to the entirey) drive via the admin share //compname/c$. d  D So I can get one PC to connect to the 2 servers but it would require> admin rights.  A scarry situation.  If I'm stuck here, I would@ probably only allow 2 users to be able to move files between the servers.  Again, not ideal.)  D Finally, there is a "kit" that willupdate my V1.0A windows/pathworksE clients to V1.5 that might allow the NT box to attach to the VAX box,dD but the docs seem to say that it will not work with V5.0C pathworks.   Where do I go from here????y    3 On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:20:31 +0200, "Pathworks News"t$ <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com> wrote:   >MJS,t >i >I don't understand.H >As far as we know we still 'support' VMS 6.2-H1 (from 1-april-1998 thisM >version is of the support list and can only be supported if you have a prioreF >version contract) with various versions of Pathworks/Advanced Server.- >In this Pathworks v6.0c-eco1 is recommended.-K >What I do see in your message is that you are running a very old Pathworks-@ >version that isn't supported any more. (not even y2k compliant)K >Further, the easiest way to solve your problem is to set both environments." >(NT and Pathworks) in one domain.> >This with one PDC (either Pathworks or NT) and several BDC's.K >The problem with not able to connect to Pathworks from NT is easily solvedl' >with the use of Server-Based licenses.e1 >I hope this gives some clarity to your problems,a >s	 >regards,o >e >--t
 >Daniel Grund  >  >Compaqe >Customer Services# >Microsoft Certified Support Centren2 >Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europe >  >The Netherlands* >"MJS" <msharty@home.com> wrote in message4 >news:39d7f8fc.725409457@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com...E >> We have been running merrily along on an Alpha 275/4 server for 4+ F >> years now.  However, our application software will not run on newerH >> verions of OPEN VMS, and the vendor has announced the dis-continuance/ >> of support for it within the next two years.t >>I >> We have begun a process of moving our day to day file systems to NT4.0 ( >> along with a couple of new functions. >>" >> Specifically, we are "stuck" at >> >> OpenVMS 6.2-1H3 >> pathworks V5.0C
 >> DOS LM 2.1- >>B >> We are currently running pathworks to our 95 clients.  They areE >> running TCP/IP and netbeui now.  Our network consists of 3 class CsF >> address spaces, linked with routers.  Each subnet can see their ownE >> PC's but none of the ones on the other 2 networks,  They can reach A >> each other via known TCP/IP addresses for each machine though.n >>I >> I can make a client log into the NT box, I can log into pathworks, butt >> I can not log into both.t >>C >> I can not seem to get Nt to log into the ALpha.  I can see it incI >> network neighborhood, but when I click on the serber I get no pathworkdI >> license.  My V5.0 software will not load on the Nt server as a client.  >>D >> I had the NT box set up as a PDC.  It has WINS enabled.  PointingD >> clients (W95) TCP/IP stacks to the WINS server (enabled) does not= >> allow 2 PC's to see each other across the entoire network.d >> >> What I need to accomplish:t >>A >> 1) I want to be able to log into my file spaces ( per user) inbC >> both NT and Pathworks, and be able to move files between them as 
 >> needed. >>A >> 2) I want all desktop PC's to show up in Network neighborhood.c >>H >> From the previous messages posted, I'm hoping that my system softwareD >> is new enough to make this happen.  We updated as far as we couldI >> without killing our app software as part of the Y2K process so I don'th >> think I can go further. >>G >> I can not find a single reference to pathworks on the Microsoft siteJ >> so I'm out of luck there. >>E >> If I could get NT to see the files ( log-in) to the Alpha, I mightn. >> then be able to share those connections.... >>) >> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  >>) >> I can be reached at ;  sharty@ccbs.come >>5 >> Thank you in advance for your help in this matter,k >> >> >> >  >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:04:28 +02004 From: "Pathworks News" <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com>? Subject: Re: Help adding NT server to VMS system / logins, etc.a6 Message-ID: <8rclg3$6lq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   MJS, Oke, let me summarise.K You have 50+ PWLMXXXCC05.00 licenses (check name !!) and 20+ PWLMXXXCA06.00iK licenses (check name !!) They are correct, the PWLMXXXCC05.00 will not worktI on version 6.0C. Not because they are CC licenses but because the versionmL behind it states 05. So, if your CA license states version 06 they will work in version 60C of PATHWORKS.J You are running PATHWORKS 5.0C. You succeeded in putting the server in the
 NT domain.L Now, the problem is that users that are not administrator can not connect to7 the PATHWORKS server but for the rest can connect fine.s   Recommendations:K Set every SHARE to EVERYONE FULL-CONTROL.(Using the windows server-manager)eL All shares that where home shares and were created with the /PERSONAL option: will have to be deleted and recreated without this option.I Apply 'NTFS' permissions on every directory using the NT explorer (Or W9xnJ explorer if you installed the ADMIN tools) and don't forget to connect theK share (MAP) to a 'drive'. (All previous permissions now on the share and onFL the files won't let you use the recourses because they are from the previous domain e.g. access denied) Upgrade PATHWORKS to V50F-ECO2.e$ Install the PWLMXXXCA06.00 licenses.I Put this licenses in the 'Server-Based' group with the PWRK$LICENSE_ADMIN  utility.) Work very happily from here and after ;-)   J If you have any questions regarding this process please do not hesitate to	 ask them.i  G And last but not least, I don't know what you mean with this kit. these % versions doesn't ring a bell with me.nI If you are talking about PATHWORKS 32 for Windows, the current version isw 7.2d   regards, -- Daniel Grund   Compaq Customer Servicesa" Microsoft Certified Support Centre1 Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europe:   The Netherlandsu) "MJS" <msharty@home.com> wrote in messagel3 news:39d97efc.825264745@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com.... > Daniel ( and others!!!)  >1 >1E > I spent several hours on the phone with COMPAQ (I do miss DEC), andr$ > came to the following conclusions: >n > We are running V5.0C.s >tF > Our client licenses (50+) are  "CC" types.  They will only work withG > V5.0C & 5.0F, and WILL NOT work with V6.0C.  If this is notr correct,hD > please let me know becasue decisions are being made based on this.E > We would have to buy updates for all of these licenses to work withI > V6.0Ci >dC > We also were at some time in 1998 sold (20+) additional pathworkspF > licenses that are type "CA".  These will work with Pathworks V5.0F &G > V6.0C, but will NOT work with our current version V5.0C.  So it seemsr4 > we were sold goods that we were never able ti use. >nE > Compaq sales has directed me to see if V5.0F can be bought from thel@ > archives becasuie it will support "CC" and "CA" type licenses. >tG > I added the VAX box as a server to the PDC/NT box.  I was able to get F > access to both, but only through pre-defined public shares.  I couldD > not get to an NT directory that the user profile pointed to as its > home.m >eF > As a user name on the VAX with a matching name on the NT server thatE > had been assigned admin rights, I was able to connect to the entire / > drive via the admin share file://compname/c$.e >iF > So I can get one PC to connect to the 2 servers but it would require@ > admin rights.  A scarry situation.  If I'm stuck here, I wouldB > probably only allow 2 users to be able to move files between the > servers.  Again, not ideal.  >pF > Finally, there is a "kit" that willupdate my V1.0A windows/pathworksG > clients to V1.5 that might allow the NT box to attach to the VAX box,rF > but the docs seem to say that it will not work with V5.0C pathworks. >  > Where do I go from here????  >H >m5 > On Mon, 2 Oct 2000 10:20:31 +0200, "Pathworks News"o& > <Daniel.Grund@notformail.com> wrote: >5 > >MJS,  > >  > >I don't understand.J > >As far as we know we still 'support' VMS 6.2-H1 (from 1-april-1998 thisI > >version is of the support list and can only be supported if you have as prior H > >version contract) with various versions of Pathworks/Advanced Server./ > >In this Pathworks v6.0c-eco1 is recommended.aC > >What I do see in your message is that you are running a very old 	 PathworksoB > >version that isn't supported any more. (not even y2k compliant)@ > >Further, the easiest way to solve your problem is to set both environments$ > >(NT and Pathworks) in one domain.@ > >This with one PDC (either Pathworks or NT) and several BDC's.F > >The problem with not able to connect to Pathworks from NT is easily solved) > >with the use of Server-Based licenses. 3 > >I hope this gives some clarity to your problems,n > >  > >regards,: > >, > >--< > >Daniel Grundo > > 	 > >Compaq  > >Customer Services% > >Microsoft Certified Support Centre 4 > >Pathworks/Advanced Server Expertise Centre Europe > >  > >The Netherlands, > >"MJS" <msharty@home.com> wrote in message6 > >news:39d7f8fc.725409457@news.hlndpk1.il.home.com...G > >> We have been running merrily along on an Alpha 275/4 server for 4+.H > >> years now.  However, our application software will not run on newerJ > >> verions of OPEN VMS, and the vendor has announced the dis-continuance1 > >> of support for it within the next two years.  > >>K > >> We have begun a process of moving our day to day file systems to NT4.0a* > >> along with a couple of new functions. > >>$ > >> Specifically, we are "stuck" at > >> > >> OpenVMS 6.2-1H3 > >> pathworks V5.0C > >> DOS LM 2.1  > >>D > >> We are currently running pathworks to our 95 clients.  They areG > >> running TCP/IP and netbeui now.  Our network consists of 3 class C H > >> address spaces, linked with routers.  Each subnet can see their ownG > >> PC's but none of the ones on the other 2 networks,  They can reacheC > >> each other via known TCP/IP addresses for each machine though.o > >>K > >> I can make a client log into the NT box, I can log into pathworks, buta > >> I can not log into both.c > >>E > >> I can not seem to get Nt to log into the ALpha.  I can see it inhK > >> network neighborhood, but when I click on the serber I get no pathworkVK > >> license.  My V5.0 software will not load on the Nt server as a client.5 > >>F > >> I had the NT box set up as a PDC.  It has WINS enabled.  PointingF > >> clients (W95) TCP/IP stacks to the WINS server (enabled) does not? > >> allow 2 PC's to see each other across the entoire network.- > >> > >> What I need to accomplish:0 > >>C > >> 1) I want to be able to log into my file spaces ( per user) innE > >> both NT and Pathworks, and be able to move files between them asw > >> needed. > >>C > >> 2) I want all desktop PC's to show up in Network neighborhood.e > >>J > >> From the previous messages posted, I'm hoping that my system softwareF > >> is new enough to make this happen.  We updated as far as we couldK > >> without killing our app software as part of the Y2K process so I don't8 > >> think I can go further. > >>I > >> I can not find a single reference to pathworks on the Microsoft site? > >> so I'm out of luck there. > >>G > >> If I could get NT to see the files ( log-in) to the Alpha, I mightt0 > >> then be able to share those connections.... > >>+ > >> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  > >>+ > >> I can be reached at ;  sharty@ccbs.com  > >>7 > >> Thank you in advance for your help in this matter,I > >> > >> > >> > >i > >  >0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:23:01 GMT2 From: panjo03@my-deja.comh, Subject: help with c and vms file attributes) Message-ID: <8rcc22$eaf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  G Hello, apologies if this is not the right forum to seek help with DEC C  on alpha using 7.2 openvms.o  D I have a c program written by someone else, which I need to fix as I+ found the problem but I don't understand c.uC Basically the problem takes an input file, fixed length records andW? splits the file into multiple files of 1500000 records. What isNG happening is that the the job sometimes dies due to lack of disk space.iD When I see a successful run of this process I see that the resultingG files have an allocation equal to the size of the input file. I suspecthF that the original programmer is not using the c vms api call to create9 a file using an fdl, so that the files use up less space.t  G Now the question. How do I create a vms file from a c program that willaA have a specific file size? Either using fdl or something similar?s  & Appreciate any help anyone can provide Many thanks  john    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:10:36 +0400 4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>0 Subject: Re: help with c and vms file attributes5 Message-ID: <10629116720.20001003161036@ncc.volga.ru>   > On 03.10.2000 panjo03@my-deja.com <panjo03@my-deja.com> wrote:  I > Hello, apologies if this is not the right forum to seek help with DEC C- > on alpha using 7.2 openvms.-  F > I have a c program written by someone else, which I need to fix as I- > found the problem but I don't understand c.(E > Basically the problem takes an input file, fixed length records and A > splits the file into multiple files of 1500000 records. What istI > happening is that the the job sometimes dies due to lack of disk space.kF > When I see a successful run of this process I see that the resultingI > files have an allocation equal to the size of the input file. I suspectiH > that the original programmer is not using the c vms api call to create; > a file using an fdl, so that the files use up less space.c  I > Now the question. How do I create a vms file from a c program that willnC > have a specific file size? Either using fdl or something similar?e  E   You could fopen("my_file.dat","w","alq=<desired number of blocks>")tI or allocate and fill appropriate FAB and RAB and set FAB' field FAB$L_ALQ E to this number. You could find this and much more usefull information @ in "OpenVMS Record Management Services.  Reference Manual" book.   -- h   Valentin Likoum    valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:33:19 GMT"' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>i0 Subject: Re: help with c and vms file attributes- Message-ID: <39D9C3C4.808261D9@theblakes.com>n   panjo03@my-deja.com wrote:  I > Now the question. How do I create a vms file from a c program that willwC > have a specific file size? Either using fdl or something similar?.  A To create a file with an initial allocation of, say, 1000 blocks:a  $ fd=open(file,flags,prot,"alq=1000");   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:22:57 +0200 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>  Subject: Hobbyist and TCP/IP Lic& Message-ID: <39D9DDB1.32950819@cli.de>   Hello VMS-Hobbyists,  8 Last week I did the Upgrade to VMS 7.2 on my 3100-80 and my 4000-500A. > After registering the Layered Product Hobbyist-Lics TCP/IP 5.0< worked fine on the 3180 but TCPIP$CONFIG an my 4500 tells me> about necessary TCPIP-Client-Lics for FTP/Telnet-Client/Server and other TCP-Apps.F  > Can anybody tell me, why TCP/IP 5.0 works fine on the 3180 and( needs additional Lics on the 4000-500A ?  @ Searching the Licenselist at Montagar there is a PAK for UCX but none for TCPIP.t Why the difference ? e   Thanks for Help1   -- d2 Warum muss die WM 2006 in Deutschland stattfinden?8 Weil Lothar Matthus dann nicht mehr transportfhig ist.  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:40:40 +0200e( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>$ Subject: Re: Hobbyist and TCP/IP Lic& Message-ID: <39D9EFE8.7A95E2A9@cli.de>   Bernd Eckstein schrieb:a > @ > Can anybody tell me, why TCP/IP 5.0 works fine on the 3180 and* > needs additional Lics on the 4000-500A ? >  Problem solved :)a* UCX-PAK wasn't registered an the 4000-500./ So dont't trust any script check the results :(   * Thanks to Glenn Everhart for fast helping.   --  2 Warum muss die WM 2006 in Deutschland stattfinden?8 Weil Lothar Matthus dann nicht mehr transportfhig ist.  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:29:42 GMTa) From: sfm1115@bjcmail.carenet.org (Shawn)  Subject: Information a CPU's1 Message-ID: <39d9ed2c.501533737@news.starnet.net>e  D How can I tell other than Bouncing the system, How Many CPU's I have" in a box and what their speed is.?     Thanks   Shawn(   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:55:51 +0100p  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com  Subject: Re: Information a CPU'sH Message-ID: <OF7C09D27E.EF9AB23F-ON8025696D.00519220@qedi.quintiles.com>  - Go and look?  Go get the Purchase Orders out?a Sorry.  J The SHOW CPU command under VMS will tell you how many CPUs you've got.  OnK (most) Alphas, this also tells you what speed they are.  All of the CPUs ineJ present configurations need to be the same speed and the speed is given in& the machine description in most cases.   Steve.   Shawn asked:G >>>How can I tell other than Bouncing the system, How Many CPU's I have-% in a box and what their speed is.?<<<m   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 00:01:55 GMT - From: morrisj@epsilon3.comdex (Jay E. Morris)i Subject: LA 120r3 Message-ID: <39d67e85.113783805@news.brooks.af.mil>e  A I got one sealed box of a dozen LA 120 ribbons and one box with 8nF ribbons.  I hate to throw them out.  $20 takes them all.  What a deal.   --6 Jay E. Morris' Epsilon 3 Productions, www.epsilon3.comA By 2000 we were supposed to have computers bright enough to arguer5 with us, but that doesn't mean the way Word does it. c -Jo Walton->   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 15:02:37 GMTn1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) ' Subject: Looks like I need help again!!c+ Message-ID: <8rcsed$42t$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>t  D This time, it's for work.  I'll throw out a quick description of theB problem and hope it's simple or that people can then prompt me for necessary information.  4 I have a VAX 4000-100 running OVMS 7.1 and Multinet.A I shut it down yesterday to add a card to the QBUS expansion box.uH When it started coming back up I started getting a long list of messagesH about "license termination".  No problem I thought. It's license renewalC time (even though the PAKs all say they don't expire until 30 Oct.)nF Oh yeah, while it did come up, XDM refused to start making the machine- not reachable from our PC X-Windows software.,  F So I went to the University's Computer Center and got the new PAKs (weD are under CSLG) and editted out the stuff I don;t use and ran it.  AD "SHOW LICENSE" lists everything as good till 2001.  However, anotherC reboot results in the same termination messages and XDM still failsP? after printing a message saying it was giving up after 50 trys.   C So, there was no change in sotware prior to the first appearance ofp? this problem and the only change after was to add new licenses.v  C Can anyone point me in the right direction??  The best hope here is C currently out in LA and the other VMS analyst was not able to pointe+ me at anything that might have caused this.   B Why is it that this stuff happens just when I start getting people0 here intersted in actually using the VAX again??   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:17:13 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!l+ Message-ID: <8rct9q$tfm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>-  d "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message news:8rcsed$42t$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...  6 > I have a VAX 4000-100 running OVMS 7.1 and Multinet.C > I shut it down yesterday to add a card to the QBUS expansion box.cJ > When it started coming back up I started getting a long list of messages > about "license termination".  F Adding a graphics card sometimes turns it into a workstation type that@ needs different units. SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE will tell you what itB wants. Also trying LICENSE LOAD interactively, and looking for oddG stuff there may help. If you have both expired and non-expired licencesr3 installed you may need to disable the expired ones.e   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 12:08:55 -0400o/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) + Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!! * Message-ID: <8rd0an$s13$1@lisa.gemair.com>  + In article <8rct9q$tfm@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>,r) Richard Brodie <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote:e >ce >"Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message news:8rcsed$42t$1@info.cs.uofs.edu...F >p7 >> I have a VAX 4000-100 running OVMS 7.1 and Multinet.9D >> I shut it down yesterday to add a card to the QBUS expansion box.K >> When it started coming back up I started getting a long list of messagese >> about "license termination".  > G >Adding a graphics card sometimes turns it into a workstation type thateA >needs different units. SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE will tell you what itcC >wants. Also trying LICENSE LOAD interactively, and looking for oddIH >stuff there may help. If you have both expired and non-expired licences4 >installed you may need to disable the expired ones. >t >s  H I bet it's something along these lines.  I remember, years ago, having aH new system board installed in a VAXStation 3100/M78 which had PROMS thatJ made it think it was a VAXServer 3100.  We had lots of licensing problems.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 OCT 2000 16:23:08 GMTt+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>e+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!u1 Message-ID: <3OCT00.16230821@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>3  2 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote:F > This time, it's for work.  I'll throw out a quick description of theD > problem and hope it's simple or that people can then prompt me for > necessary information. >   6 > I have a VAX 4000-100 running OVMS 7.1 and Multinet.C > I shut it down yesterday to add a card to the QBUS expansion box.sJ > When it started coming back up I started getting a long list of messagesJ > about "license termination".  No problem I thought. It's license renewalE > time (even though the PAKs all say they don't expire until 30 Oct.)aH > Oh yeah, while it did come up, XDM refused to start making the machine/ > not reachable from our PC X-Windows software.t >   H > So I went to the University's Computer Center and got the new PAKs (weF > are under CSLG) and editted out the stuff I don;t use and ran it.  AF > "SHOW LICENSE" lists everything as good till 2001.  However, anotherE > reboot results in the same termination messages and XDM still fails.A > after printing a message saying it was giving up after 50 trys.d  H Others have mentioned that the 4100 might be thinking it's now somethingI that requires more units.  I'd expect an "insufficient units" or somesuchnJ message in that case.  I'll agree with disabling the out-of-date licenses.  F Er - at the risk of suggesting the trivial - what does SHOW TIME show?   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOViH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:43:02 -0500t/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>l+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!! O Message-ID: <1C717E03F77FAD89.302B95212ECB0AAE.9238DE5BAAB84AD7@lp.airnews.net>e   Bill Gunshannon wrote: > F > This time, it's for work.  I'll throw out a quick description of theD > problem and hope it's simple or that people can then prompt me for > necessary information. > 6 > I have a VAX 4000-100 running OVMS 7.1 and Multinet.C > I shut it down yesterday to add a card to the QBUS expansion box. J > When it started coming back up I started getting a long list of messagesJ > about "license termination".  No problem I thought. It's license renewalE > time (even though the PAKs all say they don't expire until 30 Oct.)aH > Oh yeah, while it did come up, XDM refused to start making the machine/ > not reachable from our PC X-Windows software.F > H > So I went to the University's Computer Center and got the new PAKs (weF > are under CSLG) and editted out the stuff I don;t use and ran it.  AF > "SHOW LICENSE" lists everything as good till 2001.  However, anotherE > reboot results in the same termination messages and XDM still failsiA > after printing a message saying it was giving up after 50 trys.  > E > So, there was no change in sotware prior to the first appearance ofeA > this problem and the only change after was to add new licenses.v > E > Can anyone point me in the right direction??  The best hope here issE > currently out in LA and the other VMS analyst was not able to pointk- > me at anything that might have caused this.r    . I don't know about the right direction, but...  D Have you checked the system date?  Sometimes that gets out of whack.  ; How long was the 4000-100 up?  Is the console battery good?u  G What was the board you added and have you tried removing it and bootingeH again?  What about just pulling the Q-bus cables off the 4000-100 to seeE if it will boot OK?  (I can't imagine what on the Q-bus could cause au problem like this, though.)   
 Good luck!  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------k$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com >   Fax: 817-237-3074e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:17:41 -0300n) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre Subject: Macro ReferenceL Message-ID: <OF0231290B.C7B0B1E7-ON8325696D.005EDA60@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G Where can I get some references (manuals)  of OpenVMS Macro Assembler ? 7 I need a good student material (from zero) if possible.h   Regards   
 Fabio Cardoso  Analista de Suporteo   ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 12:28:38 GMT- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> $ Subject: Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions( Message-ID: <39D9D0F5.3FF04B9C@ohio.edu>  * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:  # > In <39d949f1$1@news>, on 10/02/00>5 >    at 10:24 PM, "Ram Rajadhyaksha" <dev@null> said:o >-I > >Hi, I inherited partial responsibility for a MV3100/95. I have minimaloI > >knowledge about VMS, mostly from reading those big thick documentatione, > >volumes. Anyways, I have a few questions: >. > [snip]   >  > @SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN >sI > just keep hitting return and taking the default answers.  Under optionstL > you may wish to choose SAVE_FEEDBACK then do some reading about SYSGEN and$ > using feedback to tune the system.  H I would also suggest CHECK_FILES if you haven't rebooted since your last' backup, or if that backup was long ago.c     >f > : > Once you reboot the system again type from the $ prompt: >  > PURGE DKA300:[000000...] > E > This will get rid of the old operator log and old journaling files.  >>H > >Is BITMAP.SYS in DKA300:[000000] really the volume bitmap? That seemsL > >really scary to have some low-level fs construct exposed as a file system
 > >object. >yD > I'm not a systems manager by trade...just a programmer/consultant.  K The file protections that are part of the file system actually work in VMS.M     >m >a > [snip]   >oI > >Speaking of tapes, can you run multiple BACKUP commands with different@I > >savesets to the same tape? When the tape runs out of room, I assume it ( > >will eject and wait for another tape? >oK > You can, but I don't recommend it.  In order to get to the second savesetnK > on the tape it has to sequetially stream through the first save set.  TistJ > quite slow.  Is your tape drive a TK50 type drive?  If you wish to do so' > you can do it.  At the $ prompt type:  > 
 > HELP BACKUPe >iF > you are looking for the /REWIND qualifier.  The default is /REWIND IJ > believe, but /NOREWIND tells the backup package to leave the tape at itsI > current position.  Thus if you have a command file MY_SYSTEM_BACKUP.COM * > that looks something like the following: >  > $ MOUNT/FOR MUA0: my_tapeaE > $ BACKUP/NOREWIND DKA300:[000000...]*.*;* MY_TAPE:DKA300.BCK/SAVE $hL > BACKUP/NOREWIND DKA200:[000000...]*.*;* MY_TAPE:DKA200.BCK/SAVE $ DISMOUNT	 > MY_TAPEe >yL > and the tape was big enough to hold everything it would put both save sets > on the inital tape.b >y  M My suggestion would be to explicitly use /REWIND on the first BACKUP command;mH otherwise, it will read the tape and skip over any existing files to the current end-of-tape.  #                                 RDP1   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:42:29 GMTi1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>f$ Subject: Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions2 Message-ID: <39D9F1ED.F68179FC@clarityconnect.com>  / Try this to reduce the size of the journal filee   $ MCR JBC$COMMANDt JBC$COMMAND> DIAG 7t     Ram Rajadhyaksha wrote:a > G > Our disk space is running out on the system volume. Doing a search, Ii> > determined that the file SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1 inM > DKA300:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE] is growing every day. Is there anything I can doo
 > about this?    -- eD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:00:37 -0500 ( From: Bob Brown <bbrown@harper.cc.il.us>! Subject: MicroVax 3400 needs scsir5 Message-ID: <v04210106b5ff88a27169@[157.178.130.128]>t  K I just picked up a microvax 3400 and will shortly have a DEC cdrom drive...0H Any pointers as to how to get a scsi interface for this system so that I> can hookup the cdrom to upgrade to a newer version of the O/S?   thanks.s   -Bob	 Bob Browny Saved by grace< Intranet Sysadmin Page: http://info1.harper.cc.il.us/~bbrown   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:42:36 -0700g! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com % Subject: Re: MicroVax 3400 needs scsicC Message-ID: <OFE6042580.7C25CDF3-ON8825696D.00612BF5@HEALTHNET.COM>-  J Talk to Dave at Island Computers. He once hooked me up with a really sweetK deal on two SCSI controllers for a VMS workstation, and they arrived pretty8+ quickly too. Worked first time, no hassles.e   Shaneh          < Bob Brown <bbrown@harper.cc.il.us> on 10/03/2000 06:00:37 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComL cc:C  " Subject:  MicroVax 3400 needs scsi    K I just picked up a microvax 3400 and will shortly have a DEC cdrom drive...tH Any pointers as to how to get a scsi interface for this system so that I> can hookup the cdrom to upgrade to a newer version of the O/S?   thanks.e   -Bob	 Bob Brownl Saved by grace< Intranet Sysadmin Page: http://info1.harper.cc.il.us/~bbrown   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:53:03 +0800t. From: Mickwid Lam <mickwid@hgcs07.hgo.dec.com>& Subject: Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.22 Message-ID: <39D99E6E.AE82E0B0@hgcs07.hgo.dec.com>  & --------------B55BC3F9954B1CE68895C767& Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit    Hello,  - Two points you probably have to bear in mind::  L 1. VMS V7.2 or above require TCP/IP services V5.0A. TCP/IP services V5.0A isI a IPV6 implementation and much different from older UCX. Pay attention toi. BIND server setup as V5.0A implements BIND V8;  L 2. UCX$ prefix no longer use in TCP/IP services V5.0 or above. TCPIP$ prefixK is used instead. Thus in the SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, you need to modify the UCX$n
 to TCPIP$.   Regards, Mickwid Lam.   Tomasz Dryjanski wrote:s  @ > We are preparing to migrate from 7.1 to 7.2. Do you know aboutG > problems we may encounter? I mean obsolete console version, licensingd > etc. >s$ > This is the current configuration: > AlphaServer 2100 4/275$ > VMS 7.1-1H1 with necessary patches > UCX V.4.1, ECO 10n, > Oracle (DEC) RDB 7.0-5 and Oracle DB 8.0.5' > Decnet IV (V.6.2, as reported by NCP)c
 > and others.  >a" > Thanks in advance for any hints. > T. D. K > _________________________________________________________________________tK > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.n >bE > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at- > http://profiles.msn.com.   -- Thanks and regards,  Mickwid Lam. Senior Software Specialist Compaq Customer Services.e      & --------------B55BC3F9954B1CE68895C767% Content-Type: text/html; charset=big5? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bita  > <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en"> <html> Hello,0 <p>Two points you probably have to bear in mind:U <p>1. VMS&nbsp;V7.2 or above require TCP/IP&nbsp;services V5.0A. TCP/IP&nbsp;servicestO V5.0A is a IPV6 implementation and much different from older UCX. Pay attentions1 to BIND server setup as V5.0A implements BIND V8;tH <p>2. UCX$ prefix no longer use in TCP/IP services V5.0 or above. TCPIP$I prefix is used instead. Thus in the SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, you need to modifyo the UCX$ to TCPIP$.  <p>Regards,s <br>Mickwid Lam. <p>Tomasz Dryjanski wrote:I <blockquote TYPE=CITE>We are preparing to migrate from 7.1 to 7.2. Do youo
 know aboutI <br>problems we may encounter? I mean obsolete console version, licensinga <br>etc.% <p>This is the current configuration:s <br>AlphaServer 2100 4/275& <br>VMS 7.1-1H1 with necessary patches <br>UCX V.4.1, ECO 10h. <br>Oracle (DEC) RDB 7.0-5 and Oracle DB 8.0.5) <br>Decnet IV (V.6.2, as reported by NCP)- <br>and others. # <p>Thanks in advance for any hints.i	 <br>T. D.fM <br>_________________________________________________________________________ r <br>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.F <p>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile atO <br><a href="http://profiles.msn.com">http://profiles.msn.com</a>.</blockquote>y  
 <pre>--&nbsp;  Thanks and regards,n Mickwid Lam.&nbsp; Senior Software Specialist Compaq Customer Services.</pre>g
 &nbsp;</html>n  ( --------------B55BC3F9954B1CE68895C767--   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 11:03:23 GMTi' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) & Subject: Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.20 Message-ID: <8rcedr$cl8$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  c In article <39D99E6E.AE82E0B0@hgcs07.hgo.dec.com>, Mickwid Lam <mickwid@hgcs07.hgo.dec.com> writes:d' >--------------B55BC3F9954B1CE68895C767t' >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5g  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >o >Hello,s > . >Two points you probably have to bear in mind: > M >1. VMS V7.2 or above require TCP/IP services V5.0A. TCP/IP services V5.0A isaJ >a IPV6 implementation and much different from older UCX. Pay attention to/ >BIND server setup as V5.0A implements BIND V8;  >   G TCP/IP Services V5.0A is NOT an IPV6 implementation. It is IPV6 ready - E I seem to remember talk about a minor update being available to fullyi  transform it into an IPV6 stack.  N There is no need to give everyone a heartattack by telling them they will need8 to upgrade their network to IPV6 just to upgrade VMS. :)   From the release notes :-c           1.2.1 New Kernel  F               TCP/IP Services Version 5.0 incorporates the widely usedE               and proven IPv4 kernel ported from DIGITAL UNIX Version C               4.0D.[1] This kernel incorporates several performance C               enhancements, including Classless Interdomain RoutingeH               (CIDR), path MTU discovery, and an optimized TCP/IP stack.
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 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University        M >2. UCX$ prefix no longer use in TCP/IP services V5.0 or above. TCPIP$ prefixgL >is used instead. Thus in the SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, you need to modify the UCX$ >to TCPIP$.I >S	 >Regards,l
 >Mickwid Lam.  >  >Tomasz Dryjanski wrote: >AA >> We are preparing to migrate from 7.1 to 7.2. Do you know abouthH >> problems we may encounter? I mean obsolete console version, licensing >> etc.x >>% >> This is the current configuration:- >> AlphaServer 2100 4/2758% >> VMS 7.1-1H1 with necessary patchesm >> UCX V.4.1, ECO 10- >> Oracle (DEC) RDB 7.0-5 and Oracle DB 8.0.5e( >> Decnet IV (V.6.2, as reported by NCP) >> and others. >># >> Thanks in advance for any hints.r >> T. D.L >> _________________________________________________________________________L >> Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. >>F >> Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at >> http://profiles.msn.com.. >> >--  >Thanks and regards,
 >Mickwid Lam.e >Senior Software Specialiste >Compaq Customer Services. >" >  > ' >--------------B55BC3F9954B1CE68895C767t& >Content-Type: text/html; charset=big5  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >i? ><!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">e ><html>o >Hello, 1 ><p>Two points you probably have to bear in mind:eV ><p>1. VMS&nbsp;V7.2 or above require TCP/IP&nbsp;services V5.0A. TCP/IP&nbsp;servicesP >V5.0A is a IPV6 implementation and much different from older UCX. Pay attention2 >to BIND server setup as V5.0A implements BIND V8;I ><p>2. UCX$ prefix no longer use in TCP/IP services V5.0 or above. TCPIP$cJ >prefix is used instead. Thus in the SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, you need to modify >the UCX$ to TCPIP$. ><p>Regards, ><br>Mickwid Lam.  ><p>Tomasz Dryjanski wrote:dJ ><blockquote TYPE=CITE>We are preparing to migrate from 7.1 to 7.2. Do you >know aboutfJ ><br>problems we may encounter? I mean obsolete console version, licensing	 ><br>etc.c& ><p>This is the current configuration: ><br>AlphaServer 2100 4/275n' ><br>VMS 7.1-1H1 with necessary patches  ><br>UCX V.4.1, ECO 10/ ><br>Oracle (DEC) RDB 7.0-5 and Oracle DB 8.0.5 * ><br>Decnet IV (V.6.2, as reported by NCP) ><br>and others.$ ><p>Thanks in advance for any hints.
 ><br>T. D.N ><br>_________________________________________________________________________s ><br>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.eG ><p>Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at P ><br><a href="http://profiles.msn.com">http://profiles.msn.com</a>.</blockquote> >h ><pre>--&nbsp; >Thanks and regards, >Mickwid Lam.&nbsp;  >Senior Software Specialist   >Compaq Customer Services.</pre> >&nbsp;</html> >o) >--------------B55BC3F9954B1CE68895C767--e >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:45:03 +0200t5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> & Subject: Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.2- Message-ID: <39D9D4CF.2B232377@whitehouse.nl>c   "D.Webb" wrote:u > e > In article <39D99E6E.AE82E0B0@hgcs07.hgo.dec.com>, Mickwid Lam <mickwid@hgcs07.hgo.dec.com> writes:h) > >--------------B55BC3F9954B1CE68895C767s) > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=big5a" > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >o	 > >Hello,O > >a0 > >Two points you probably have to bear in mind: > >pO > >1. VMS V7.2 or above require TCP/IP services V5.0A. TCP/IP services V5.0A is0L > >a IPV6 implementation and much different from older UCX. Pay attention to1 > >BIND server setup as V5.0A implements BIND V8;7 > >. > I > TCP/IP Services V5.0A is NOT an IPV6 implementation. It is IPV6 ready - G > I seem to remember talk about a minor update being available to fully " > transform it into an IPV6 stack.  F You can configure IPv6 with sys$manager:tcpip$ip6_setup.com, this willE result in the file tcpip$inet6_startup.com. As far as I know the onlyy3 IPv6 'aware' utility with this ucx version is ping:    TCPIP> ifconfig -a TN0: flags=80<NOARP>6 SE0: flags=c43<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX>G      rxmt 1000, reach time 30000, dad tries 1, mtu 1500, hops 64, tokenl len 64      HWaddr  aa-00-04-00-64-04D      inet 10.1.1.50  netmask ff000000 broadcast 10.255.255.255 ipmtu 1500 o$      inet6 fe80::a00:2bff:fe3b:475e A LO0: flags=100c89<UP,LOOPBACK,NOARP,MULTICAST,SIMPLEX,NOCHECKSUM> G      rxmt 1000, reach time 30000, dad tries 1, mtu 4096, hops 64, token  len 0 2      inet 127.0.0.1  netmask ff000000  ipmtu 4096       inet6 ::1 , TCPIP> ping ::1t PING ::1 (::1): 56 data bytesn0 64 bytes from ::1: icmp6_seq=0 hlim=64 time=0 ms0 64 bytes from ::1: icmp6_seq=1 hlim=64 time=0 ms0 64 bytes from ::1: icmp6_seq=2 hlim=64 time=0 ms0 64 bytes from ::1: icmp6_seq=3 hlim=64 time=0 ms  Cancel        ----::1 PING Statistics---- 9 4 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 0% packet lossh' round-trip (ms)  min/avg/max = 0/0/0 msh TCPIP> M   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 07:59:35 GMT  From: i.burgess@UQ.edu.aug1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? ) Message-ID: <8rc3l6$8g0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   !   david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:  >sG > Just upgraded our Academic Alpha cluster to VMS 7.2-1 and put on  JDKo 1.2. >n= > I'm considering whether to upgrade our user disks to ODS-5.f >e$ > Are people using ODS-5 a lot yet ? .  .' .m > David Webb > VMS and Unix team leader > CCSS > Middlesex University  @ DFO (version on September CONDIS CDs) does not understand ODS-5.  ( Disk File Optimizer for OpenVMS DFG V2.5B Copyright  Compaq Computer Corp. 1991,1999.   All rights reserved7 %DFG-W-NOTODSDEV, DSKXXX is not an ODS-2 mounted device-        & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:06:42 +010004 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>1 Subject: Re: ODS-5 anybody using - any problems ? 8 Message-ID: <1kkhts02jgunh8ro9r98k7gvjoek78e82q@4ax.com>  . On Mon, 02 Oct 2000 01:33:55 GMT, "John Nixon"# <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:-  I >We recently encountered a similar problem on a disk in our cluster.  ThecJ >cluster consisted of three VAX 7860s at VMS 7.1 and two Alphas at VMS 6.2 >(since upgraded to 7.2-1).C >iJ >Fortunately we did not have any real problems as they were log files.  WeJ >found the problem when performing a backup of the disk to another (empty)K >disk and we started getting duplicate file errors.  When doing a directory K >of the files, I found that many files were duplicates, down to the version M >number.  They were different actual files, with different dates and data andHJ >different file ids.   We could only see them when doing a directory usingL >";*"   If we used specific version numbers, we only saw one file.  This was >on ODS2 disks.n >eK >We still have no explanation, and I too am a little worried. We have had a K >troublesome history of crashes on these systems (Yes, they are VMS systems ! >with all known patches applied).n  E I've seen this happen when a cluster member crashes at (presumably) a F rather bad time(*).  In our case, a sub-directory entry was duplicatedE which caused anything executing a [*...] file scan to loop endlessly.a  @ DFU is your friend here.  ANAL/DISK won't notice anything wrong.  G (*)  In the middle of a block-by-block directory reshuffle after a filer delete, is my guess.   	John  -- t
 John Laird   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 09:07:41 -0500o, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)" Subject: Re: opendir/readdir VAXC?+ Message-ID: <imaVViXNMN0r@eisner.decus.org>o  i In article <39D8C45A.55ED5AA2@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  >  > /PREFIX and VAX C ????  J It's been so long since I abandoned VAX C I just read right past that part! and took it as C on a VAX.  Oops.p  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationh= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group/E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:53:16 -0300s) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brN$ Subject: OpenVMS Integrated productsL Message-ID: <OFCBB44C5D.5436EB83-ON8325696D.0056BE37@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  F Sometimes I think to myself why some important products dont come with OpenVMS or REQUIRE a license2  if for  Unix these products are standard/bundled:   Compaq C/C++ DW Motif TCP/IP Services    What more ?y    
 Fabio Cardoso  Analista de Suportem   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:08:07 GMTe8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE( Message-ID: <39D8932A.6033EE4F@decus.fi>  ; I checked it and in the case of LOCAL NODE, DECnet does not 7 apply. PHONE bypassed DECnet completely. The V7.2 Alpha 7 however rings bells... There was problem on either V7.2 5 or V7.2-1 with images installed with privileges. IIRC 8 the problem was observed with a subprocess not correctly; inheriting image privileges, maybe this is similar problem.e  5 What patches are there installed on this V7.2 system?>   _velih  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > 5 > On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Veli [iso-8859-1] Krkk wrote:a > A > +Phone relies on DECnet and I would say Phone needs DECnet eveno; > +on local node to local node access but of course I mightE > +be wrong. > ? >  Regardless the fact, that I can't remember if the dependenceh< > is true - will suggest, that *THEN* any session, even from" > user SYSTEM, will not work -;) !> > (hmmmm.... *can* think about scenario with PROXY enabled for> >  PHONE object + SYSTEM with proxy, but will not suspect it). >  >  Regards - Gotfryd >  > --G > ===================================================================== H > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") -' >                 THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME[0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plG > =====================================================================t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:21:31 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE( Message-ID: <39DA03DD.3FEBDB0A@decus.fi>  ( The safe way to remove privileges is to   ) $ set process/privileges=(noall,net,tmp)   $ spawnm
 $ phone xxxxxo $ logout  / and similar way with larger set of prvivileges.0   _veli5   "Zane H. Healy" wrote: > ; > Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote:d& > >  But that is the one way to check:C > > 1. remove all privileges from SYSTEM user session and check, ifc> > >  PHONE works; if yes - then the suspected reason may be in< > >  file protection (because "system user" and "disk owner"/ > >  or group) or process quotas mentioned herei; > > 2. if not - add privileges one-by-one (och, yes, can bea7 > >  with the "check half" alghoritm done) and find thea > >  required... > M > OK, I can see where this makes sense, BUT, is it safe?  Somehow this soundsrG > dangerous to me.  Of course I could always go the other route and addr" > everything to a user account.... > 0 > >  The real reason can be interesting for us ! > 	 > Agreed!0 >  >                         Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:17:13 GMTo" From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com>" Subject: Problems buying an Alpha?) Message-ID: <8rcm8j$lo1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  4 Am I the only person Compaq won't sell equipment to?  C We're a non-profit with a couple legacy financial applications, oneVG which is RMS and the other was, but is now Oracle. As time has gone on,PF we've replaced a Vax with a Micro, a Micro with an Alpha (Alpha ServerH 2000), an Alpha with an Alpha (Alpha Server 800) and now it's time to doE it again. The thing is, I cannot get Compaq to put us in touch with aT2 sales rep so I can spec out a new system for 2001.  E Sure, we're small. A dual processor system is overkill, but does that C mean we're not good enough to own an Alpha? I've contacted Compaq 4 E times this year to try and get in touch with someone. I finally found B out our Sparc supplier can get Compaq equipment, but I'm not a DECF person, I find it kind of hard to spec out my own system. I'm not sure what I do and don't need.a  E Sorry I'm rambling. Just wondering if I'm the only one who's not gooda! enough to buy new Alpha hardware..     --- *********************************************_( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."   /* John Eisenschmidtb, fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org (you know the drill) */    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.k   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:56:04 +0100-- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e& Subject: Re: Problems buying an Alpha?) Message-ID: <39D9E574.8A7EFBE0@bbc.co.uk>i  
 fooguy wrote:m  6 > Am I the only person Compaq won't sell equipment to? >rE > We're a non-profit with a couple legacy financial applications, oneII > which is RMS and the other was, but is now Oracle. As time has gone on,nH > we've replaced a Vax with a Micro, a Micro with an Alpha (Alpha ServerJ > 2000), an Alpha with an Alpha (Alpha Server 800) and now it's time to doG > it again. The thing is, I cannot get Compaq to put us in touch with a_4 > sales rep so I can spec out a new system for 2001. >gG > Sure, we're small. A dual processor system is overkill, but does thatTE > mean we're not good enough to own an Alpha? I've contacted Compaq 4>G > times this year to try and get in touch with someone. I finally foundbD > out our Sparc supplier can get Compaq equipment, but I'm not a DECH > person, I find it kind of hard to spec out my own system. I'm not sure > what I do and don't need.a > G > Sorry I'm rambling. Just wondering if I'm the only one who's not goodp# > enough to buy new Alpha hardware.b >.  D Even if Compaq don't make any money out of such "low-end" sales (andC I suspect they do make some money) this is surely no way to treat aa	 long-time:J loyal customer. Low-end sales in this market look more and more to me likeL a car manufacturer's high end, loss-leading model. People need more exposure   to VMS and its benefits.  E However, I suspect you are not alone. How can one pitch a low-end VMSnF and Alpha based solution at a client if one can't get hard prices from Compaq?nK Why can't I configure and buy a DS10, ES40 etc just like I can a Wintel box- at www.dell.com?    --36 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk@  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofd MedAS or the BBC.5   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 14:31:54 GMTC0 From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>& Subject: Re: Problems buying an Alpha?, Message-ID: <8rcqkq$vb6$1@news.enteract.com>  E On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:17:13 GMT, fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> wrote:m6 > Am I the only person Compaq won't sell equipment to?  > You're probably not the only one.  We always use resellers and we're very pleased.p  > We use V.A.C.S (http://www.vacs-inc.com).  They are very good.> Even if they can't help you (I don't know your location), they> can probably suggest someone who can.  (My salesperson at VACS is Vernon Knight.)  > And I'm sure that a web search for DEC VARs or resellers would garner a big list.   -- c& Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:29:58 GMT  From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com, Subject: Re: remote tailing of file with UCX) Message-ID: <8rd1hr$vr1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>f  ! Bravo sir. That made it work. Ta.   ? The only slight remaining problem is that all the line feeds inh health.log have gone missing!dD every now and again 20 or so lines are added to the health.log file,1 but these 20 lines are munged into one long line.  hhmmmmm.
 Any ideas?   TIA3   Tony    - In article <39CEFF33.FEB48C9B@whitehouse.nl>, 8   Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> wrote:! > tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:i >  > > $!3 > > $ ty/cont/tail=20  dsa0:[oracle7.hnm]health.log  > > $! > > $! show time
 > > $!exit >dF > You should add a 'define sys$output sys$net' command before the typeH > command. In your example the output of the type command will end up in > the logfile. >m
 > Regards, >  > Oswald >u    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:07:48 +0800n5 From: Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com>e# Subject: Reset file version number? 8 Message-ID: <ihbjtso1us7o7p75c31spu44t423rc7hj4@4ax.com>  C Recently I did a housekeeping, and deleted few files which run-awaye  creating a large-number version.  D How do I backup/restore the files to the original directory with new@ small-number version while keeping the original file permission,1 attributes (owner,protections,date of creation)??,  4 ie.    from     abc.txt;1234567    to    abc.txt;1    E Using "Backup /owner=original" will usually generate the same versione number stored in the saveset.S          Regards,  	 Netsurfer-        ====R For any personal email replies, please remove " sentosa. " from my E-mail address.   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 05:24 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o' Subject: Re: Reset file version number? , Message-ID: <3OCT200005241540@gerg.tamu.edu>  - netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com writes...iD }Recently I did a housekeeping, and deleted few files which run-away! }creating a large-number version.i } E }How do I backup/restore the files to the original directory with new0A }small-number version while keeping the original file permission,V2 }attributes (owner,protections,date of creation)?? } 5 }ie.    from     abc.txt;1234567    to    abc.txt;1  d } F }Using "Backup /owner=original" will usually generate the same version }number stored in the saveset. } 	 }Regards,  } 
 }Netsurfer   You don't have to use BACKUP.e You can:   $ RENAME ABC.TXT;32767 *.*;1   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 09:19:04 -0500U, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)' Subject: Re: Reset file version number?.+ Message-ID: <Zmgxd3xQaDrp@eisner.decus.org>>  p In article <ihbjtso1us7o7p75c31spu44t423rc7hj4@4ax.com>, Netsurfer <netsurfer@sentosa.singaporemail.com> writes:E > Recently I did a housekeeping, and deleted few files which run-awayf" > creating a large-number version. > F > How do I backup/restore the files to the original directory with newB > small-number version while keeping the original file permission,3 > attributes (owner,protections,date of creation)??T >   H Backup usses the same naming and version rules all of VMS uses.  You can> always specify an expliciet version or use a version wildcard.  ' Assuming there is no current version 1:-  C    $backup saveset-name/saveset/select=[dir]name.ext;ver [dir]*.*;1a  H or if you want the next highest version and there are already a few, use" ;0 as the output version wildcard.  G DON'T exclude the ;ver on the /select if there is more than one versionBG in the backup save set.  If you use ;1 on the output this will cause an G error for all but the latest version (but provides the desired result).cA If you use ;0 as the output, this would cause the versions to be   restored in reverse order.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationn= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying5   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 07:26:48 GMT O From: ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess, University of Queensland) = Subject: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"$. Message-ID: <8rc1no$1tn$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>  A  Creating a subprocess often fails and spawn always fails on thisyA system.  It used to work and I can't think of a change that might8 be relevant.  Any ideas?   Hardware:  DEC 2000 Model 300P Software:  OpenVMS 6.2-1H1     $ spawn dir login.comu*   %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned<   %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process SYSTEM_15   %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process SYSTEM0#   %SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is fullP   $B  G Accounting shows   Elapsed time: 0.04 secs, Final status code: 00000000   ? Happens for all users, and autogen and reboot did not clear it.   E I thought maybe JOB_CONTROL was short some quota, but not apparently.:  L Process Name: JOB_CONTROL       State: HIB     Time:  3-OCT-2000 17:14:49.26K Image: JBC$JOB_CONTROL      PID:00000089  PRIO: 10/8  CPUTIM: 0 00:00:00.69h   Process Quota Information:2              Quota  Remaining  (percent remaining)# ASTLM          300     296      98%k# FILLM          200     197      98%0C DIOLM          200     200     100%          DIRECT I/O         341 C BIOLM          200     199      99%          BUFFERED I/O       326:# BYTLM      1637696 1637696     100%g# ENQLM         6000    5992      99%a# TQLM           300     298      99%g# PGFLQUOTA    32768   31200      95%h   Working Set Information:     WSEXTENT     65536     WSQUOTA      16384     WSDEFAULT     4096     WSSIZE        4096     PAGES         1040     FAULTS          47       Processes             0a     Process limit       200i   Cheers,M        Ian aG -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --DG Ian Burgess                                     I.Burgess@its.uq.edu.au G Information Technology Services                 Phone:   61 7 336 54074  Prentice Building # The University of Queensland         BRISBANE AUSTRALIA 4072    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:35:51 +0900 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>A Subject: Re: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"y+ Message-ID: <39D9B687.4985704D@digital.com>0  7 Try increasing (doubling?) defmbxbufquo and defmbxmxmsg   " Note: What VMS version? Alpha/VAX?   Mike  , Ian Burgess, University of Queensland wrote: >  >  >   $ spawn dir login.coml, >   %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned> >   %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process SYSTEM_17 >   %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process SYSTEMe% >   %SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is fullt >   $l <...snip...>	 > Cheers,u >        IanI > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --eI > Ian Burgess                                     I.Burgess@its.uq.edu.ausI > Information Technology Services                 Phone:   61 7 336 54074f > Prentice Building  > The University of Queensland > BRISBANE AUSTRALIA 4072i   -- rE ---------------------------------------------------------------------oE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.,? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*oF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------i -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----c Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:50:44 +1100h) From: "Mackay, Ian" <IMackay@nine.com.au>-A Subject: RE: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"rB Message-ID: <7517D41517E6D11189EB00A0C96B422A01D52DA9@TCNHOFEXC01>  G You realize that mailboxes are used to copy symbols and logicals to thec subprocess.= Try ( 	spawn/nological/nosymbols dir login.com  K if you get the same error then try upping the sysgen parameter DEFMBXBUFQUO & as this affects the size of mailboxes.L Remember that this affects every mailbox created once you change it. It is a2 dynamic parameter so it can be changed on the fly.   Hope that helpst  
 Ian Mackay System and Network Manager Nine Network Australia   > -----Original Message-----) > From: ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.aus, > [mailto:ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au]) > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 5:27 PM0 > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comc? > Subject: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"- >  >  > C >  Creating a subprocess often fails and spawn always fails on this C > system.  It used to work and I can't think of a change that might  > be relevant.  Any ideas? >  > Hardware:  DEC 2000 Model 300u > Software:  OpenVMS 6.2-1H1 >  >   $ spawn dir login.comr, >   %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned> >   %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process SYSTEM_17 >   %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process SYSTEMo% >   %SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is fulld >   $P > ; > Accounting shows   Elapsed time: 0.04 secs, Final status d > code: 00000000 > A > Happens for all users, and autogen and reboot did not clear it.e > G > I thought maybe JOB_CONTROL was short some quota, but not apparently.. > 8 > Process Name: JOB_CONTROL       State: HIB     Time:   > 3-OCT-2000 17:14:49.26@ > Image: JBC$JOB_CONTROL      PID:00000089  PRIO: 10/8  CPUTIM:  > 0 00:00:00.69  >  > Process Quota Information:4 >              Quota  Remaining  (percent remaining)% > ASTLM          300     296      98%0% > FILLM          200     197      98% E > DIOLM          200     200     100%          DIRECT I/O         341oE > BIOLM          200     199      99%          BUFFERED I/O       326 % > BYTLM      1637696 1637696     100%t% > ENQLM         6000    5992      99% % > TQLM           300     298      99%,% > PGFLQUOTA    32768   31200      95%k >  > Working Set Information: >     WSEXTENT     65536 >     WSQUOTA      16384 >     WSDEFAULT     4096 >     WSSIZE        4096 >     PAGES         1040 >     FAULTS          47 >  >     Processes             0= >     Process limit       200E > 	 > Cheers,,
 >        Ian E> > -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 
 > -- -- -- -- 2 > Ian Burgess                                      > I.Burgess@its.uq.edu.au=@ > Information Technology Services                 Phone:   61 7  > 336 54074  > Prentice Building % > The University of Queensland       6 > BRISBANE AUSTRALIA 4072  >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:21:15 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>A Subject: Re: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"w- Message-ID: <1001003051026.338A@Ives.egh.com>   ( On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Mike Rechtman wrote:  9 > Try increasing (doubling?) defmbxbufquo and defmbxmxmsgt > $ > Note: What VMS version? Alpha/VAX?  6 Ian answered both questions in the part you snipped... V6.2, Alpha 2000.s   >  > Mike > . > Ian Burgess, University of Queensland wrote: > >  > >  > >   $ spawn dir login.come. > >   %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned@ > >   %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process SYSTEM_19 > >   %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process SYSTEMl' > >   %SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is fullq > >   $  > <...snip...> > > Cheers,s > >        Ian  ? This could be something completely different.  Maybe one of the ? system processes (accounting, security audit server, opcom, ??)rC that depends on mailboxes has died and is not emptying its mailbox.   > The mailbox has gotten full and so the system won't let you do3 anything that tries to write another message to it.M  : Do normal logins still work?  Has this behaviour persisted across a reboot?  > Just a wild guess, but if the other suggestions don't help, it might be worth checking out.    = (I think when VMS sends logical names and symbols through then@ spawning mailbox, it likely has the spawner wait for the spawnee@ to read when the mailbox gets full.  I can't think of any reason; not to wait, and it means spawning wouldn't be sensitive to 0 mailbox quotas and you wouldn't get this error.)  ? One other thing:  The Fine Help for spawn says it can't be usedc= if the terminal has an associated mailbox.  I don't know what 3 error you get if it does.  Could this be happening?'   -- g John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:49:01 GMT / From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>D Subject: SWCC and Pathworks ) Message-ID: <8rc6ht$ad7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  D We have just installed some RA3000 Raid systems on an Alpha,  I have? installed the SWCC RA3000 software on my NT PC, which also runs. Pathworks 7.1a.*  G Once I got SWCC working,Pathworks started refusing to re-connect to theoC pathworks shares on an Alpha (VMS!!) (but not the same ALpha as thec RA3000s are connected to)e  E This has also happened on another PC - we have scrapped Pathworks and 8 re-loaded it and now it cannot find any license servers.  D I have also scrapped SWCC and restarted the PC and this doesn't help either  6 Has anyone else had a similar problem (and fixed it??)   TIA    Mike   --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:54:41 GMTs0 From: "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net>4 Subject: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.E Message-ID: <5OjC5.12053$TP6.180193@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>w  4 We are thinking of migrating from Multinet to UCX...  L 1) Is UCX bundled AND supported with the VMS license (i.e. is there an extra charge)?  B 2) What can Multinet do that UCX can't (what will we be giving up)  G 3) Does UCX come with any migration tools.  For example, will I have to 4 recreate all of my TCP/IP print queues from scratch?   Thanks as Always,b Mike   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 09:25:15 -0500e, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.+ Message-ID: <oORFJwj2UQ$U@eisner.decus.org>h  x In article <5OjC5.12053$TP6.180193@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes:6 > We are thinking of migrating from Multinet to UCX... > N > 1) Is UCX bundled AND supported with the VMS license (i.e. is there an extra
 > charge)?  G No.  Many systems ship with licenses for both VMS and network services,PB which includes UCX (look for a NAS license), but they are separateE products separately licensed.  OBTW the UCX name changed, but we knowa what you mean.  D > 2) What can Multinet do that UCX can't (what will we be giving up)  D Work well (OK, UCX has gotten a lot better than it used to be).  TheE latest version of Multinet supports SSH, UCX is still working on it. e% Check each for the features you need.o  I > 3) Does UCX come with any migration tools.  For example, will I have to 6 > recreate all of my TCP/IP print queues from scratch?   You're on your own.e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationP= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupcE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying>   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:39:36 GMTe0 From: "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net>8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.E Message-ID: <cskC5.12123$TP6.181086@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>n  J > > 1) Is UCX bundled AND supported with the VMS license (i.e. is there an extraa > > charge)? > I > No.  Many systems ship with licenses for both VMS and network services, D > which includes UCX (look for a NAS license), but they are separateG > products separately licensed.  OBTW the UCX name changed, but we knowr > what you mean.  G Thank you very much for your reply.  Will the license DVNETEXT suffice?h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:48:19 +0200s5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl> 8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.- Message-ID: <39D9D593.8853E12D@whitehouse.nl>    Mike Flaherty wrote:  I > Thank you very much for your reply.  Will the license DVNETEXT suffice?<  G No, that is a DECnet license. You need some NAS license or UCX or TCPIPe license.   Oswald   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:33:34 GMT:0 From: "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net>8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.E Message-ID: <OelC5.12175$TP6.188690@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>f  K > > Thank you very much for your reply.  Will the license DVNETEXT suffice?  > I > No, that is a DECnet license. You need some NAS license or UCX or TCPIP-
 > license.  L OK now I need to vent.  My apologies in advance - I don't meant to shoot the
 messenger.  C Someday I hope Compaq gets a clue and stops nickle and diming theiro= customers.  What the hell good is any OS these days without aeH non-proprietary network stack.  I stick up for Compaq whenever I can butH they really dropped the ball on this one.  I keep getting mixed messagesL from them.  While I very much applaude Compaq's recent release of Apache andK Perl (supported under VMS license), what good are they without an IP stack.   L How can Compaq expect to be a real player in e-commerce without including anL IP stack with VMS.  Certainly, I can **BUY** UCX or Multinet but since thereH isn't an IP stack included "out of the box" with VMS, I have to questionG Compaq's commitment to the web.  On the other hand, I simply don't havecL these license issues on my Sun (you know - "the network is the computer") orJ HP boxes.  These firms recognized the value (however symbolic) a long time+ ago of including an IP stack with their OS.R  $ Looks like I'll stick with Multinet,   Thanks,  Mike   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:56:53 -0500 (CDT)l From: rmegee@tqtx.comc8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.2 Message-ID: <200010031356.IAA18095@exwin.tqtx.com>  F One problem we have had with multinet is with the use of NETAPP's fileD systems.  In short, it doesn't work with this NFS based file server.B multinet's vender has been reluctant to help up fix the problem.  A Another problem was the change in the process privilege for usingEG rsh.  Multinet called the old values a security leak.                  e  D I know it doesn't provide you with an alternative but maybe you can 9 consider these problem when looking at a different stack.Z   Robert > M > > > Thank you very much for your reply.  Will the license DVNETEXT suffice?t > >rK > > No, that is a DECnet license. You need some NAS license or UCX or TCPIPn > > license. > N > OK now I need to vent.  My apologies in advance - I don't meant to shoot the > messenger. > E > Someday I hope Compaq gets a clue and stops nickle and diming theiri? > customers.  What the hell good is any OS these days without a,J > non-proprietary network stack.  I stick up for Compaq whenever I can butJ > they really dropped the ball on this one.  I keep getting mixed messagesN > from them.  While I very much applaude Compaq's recent release of Apache andM > Perl (supported under VMS license), what good are they without an IP stack.h > N > How can Compaq expect to be a real player in e-commerce without including anN > IP stack with VMS.  Certainly, I can **BUY** UCX or Multinet but since thereJ > isn't an IP stack included "out of the box" with VMS, I have to questionI > Compaq's commitment to the web.  On the other hand, I simply don't haveeN > these license issues on my Sun (you know - "the network is the computer") orL > HP boxes.  These firms recognized the value (however symbolic) a long time- > ago of including an IP stack with their OS.i > & > Looks like I'll stick with Multinet, > 	 > Thanks,a > Mike >  >  >      -- hO ===============================================================================-B               We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities.B                                              -- Walt Kelly, "Pogo"O ===============================================================================$   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 13:41:50 GMTd* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.. Message-ID: <8rcnmu$486$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <OelC5.12175$TP6.188690@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,S3 "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes: t  E > Someday I hope Compaq gets a clue and stops nickle and diming theirr? > customers.  What the hell good is any OS these days without aB" > non-proprietary network stack.    I Does anyone know how many VMS machines run with no TCPIP?  If there is a nH significant number, then the policy makes sense: why should one pay for F something one doesn't need?  Nothing is "free"; if they include it in 2 the price it will increase the price for everyone.  N > How can Compaq expect to be a real player in e-commerce without including an > IP stack with VMS.    I By the same argument, you could argue that the hardware must include the k OS.L   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 13:55:51 GMT0' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) 8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.0 Message-ID: <8rcoh7$dlv$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  x In article <OelC5.12175$TP6.188690@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes:L >> > Thank you very much for your reply.  Will the license DVNETEXT suffice? >>J >> No, that is a DECnet license. You need some NAS license or UCX or TCPIP >> license.  > M >OK now I need to vent.  My apologies in advance - I don't meant to shoot the  >messenger.- > D >Someday I hope Compaq gets a clue and stops nickle and diming their> >customers.  What the hell good is any OS these days without aI >non-proprietary network stack.  I stick up for Compaq whenever I can but I >they really dropped the ball on this one.  I keep getting mixed messages-M >from them.  While I very much applaude Compaq's recent release of Apache andcL >Perl (supported under VMS license), what good are they without an IP stack. >FM >How can Compaq expect to be a real player in e-commerce without including anrM >IP stack with VMS.  Certainly, I can **BUY** UCX or Multinet but since therehI >isn't an IP stack included "out of the box" with VMS, I have to question H >Compaq's commitment to the web.  On the other hand, I simply don't haveM >these license issues on my Sun (you know - "the network is the computer") or,K >HP boxes.  These firms recognized the value (however symbolic) a long time , >ago of including an IP stack with their OS. > % >Looks like I'll stick with Multinet,- >- >Thanks, >Mike- >  >-  H Check your licenses unless this is a fairly old system you probably have got a UCX or NAS license.y  	 Look for     NET-APP-SUP-nnn    eg   NET-APP-SUP-150i    0 The NAS licenses also include things like MOTIF.  
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:38:49 +0100n- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> 8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.) Message-ID: <39D9E169.A5649A33@bbc.co.uk>9   Mike Flaherty wrote:  L > > > 1) Is UCX bundled AND supported with the VMS license (i.e. is there an > extra- > > > charge)? > >-K > > No.  Many systems ship with licenses for both VMS and network services,-F > > which includes UCX (look for a NAS license), but they are separateI > > products separately licensed.  OBTW the UCX name changed, but we know- > > what you mean. >-I > Thank you very much for your reply.  Will the license DVNETEXT suffice?n  J That is a Decnet licence, it won't help with TCP/IP Services. For that you needM a appropriate NAS licence, or possibly one of the newer EIP packages licenceshJ (not sure how that works in detail) or a UCX licence that costs hard cash.       --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uks  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofa MedAS or the BBC.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 15:34:28 GMTk0 From: "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net>8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.E Message-ID: <80nC5.12395$TP6.181996@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>r  I Your point is taken but by the same token why should I have to pay for...    VMS-MAIL EDT,
 ACCOUNTING AUDIT  PHONE   @ We use other solutions for these utilities.  Can I get a refund?  K Don't get me wrong, I think that all of these things should be available ineJ VMS in addition to an IP stack even if it costs a few bucks more.  Look atJ it this way.  Since you can run DECnet over TCP/IP, then Compaq can either' refund me for DECnet or call it a wash.r  L ****************************************************************************2 **************************************************  5 Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message ( news:8rcnmu$486$1@info.service.rug.nl...G > In article <OelC5.12175$TP6.188690@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, 4 > "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes: >oG > > Someday I hope Compaq gets a clue and stops nickle and diming their:A > > customers.  What the hell good is any OS these days without a0" > > non-proprietary network stack. >0J > Does anyone know how many VMS machines run with no TCPIP?  If there is aI > significant number, then the policy makes sense: why should one pay for2G > something one doesn't need?  Nothing is "free"; if they include it inC4 > the price it will increase the price for everyone. > C > > How can Compaq expect to be a real player in e-commerce without0 including an > > IP stack with VMS. > J > By the same argument, you could argue that the hardware must include the > OS.  >  >k   ------------------------------  " Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 16:16:53 GMT- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> 8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.( Message-ID: <39DA0674.4DE9470F@ohio.edu>  K I would view it as a combination of historical accident and decency:  there-M were third-party stacks in the market before DEC made their own.  If they had L bundled theirs, that would have cut the market out from under the others, atG least in part, and might well have laid them open to restraint-of-tradeiO prosecution.  Can we say that this is a real difference in behavior between DEC  and Microsoft?  #                                 RDP      Mike Flaherty wrote:  K > Your point is taken but by the same token why should I have to pay for...x > 
 > VMS-MAIL > EDT  > ACCOUNTING > AUDITs > PHONE  > B > We use other solutions for these utilities.  Can I get a refund? >)M > Don't get me wrong, I think that all of these things should be available in L > VMS in addition to an IP stack even if it costs a few bucks more.  Look atL > it this way.  Since you can run DECnet over TCP/IP, then Compaq can either) > refund me for DECnet or call it a wash.D >rN > ****************************************************************************4 > ************************************************** >e7 > Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message * > news:8rcnmu$486$1@info.service.rug.nl...I > > In article <OelC5.12175$TP6.188690@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, 6 > > "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes: > >?I > > > Someday I hope Compaq gets a clue and stops nickle and diming their C > > > customers.  What the hell good is any OS these days without ai$ > > > non-proprietary network stack. > >tL > > Does anyone know how many VMS machines run with no TCPIP?  If there is aK > > significant number, then the policy makes sense: why should one pay for I > > something one doesn't need?  Nothing is "free"; if they include it inl6 > > the price it will increase the price for everyone. > >aE > > > How can Compaq expect to be a real player in e-commerce withouto > including an > > > IP stack with VMS. > >gL > > By the same argument, you could argue that the hardware must include the > > OS.e > >n > >h   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 04:00:57 +0200c2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilei; Message-ID: <39d93dd9.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>l  ( Ebinger . Eric (EEbinger@drc.com) wrote:1 : > "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: A : > >For the record I saw 28 and 7BC and realised it was hex ...   ...s : > >All I had handy was the/ : > >W98 calculator so I fired it up and typed:e : > >	7*256+11*16+12 : > >and ended up with 28860.r :eB : The problem is not lack of knowledge of precedence it is lack of' : understanding of the tool being used.e :rC : A calculator, like an adding machine, performs the operation wheniD : the next operator key is pressed and displays the running total.   ... ? : So the windows98 calculator emulates a calculator accurately.a   Horner's scheme comes in handy:o     7BC(hex) = (7*16+11)*16+12  8 (just keep multiplying by 16 and adding the next digit).  8 This works with calculators that don't honor precedence.   cu,s   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.detN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:06:43 +0100o4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profiles8 Message-ID: <iskhts4kvc3tvlnp8agcqqscbuf5r9ukuh@4ax.com>  G On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:40:50 -0300, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br: wrote:  I >I am reading this list just for three weeks but I have a curiosity . . .c >oC >Whats the average age of all people here ? I am asking it becausen >everybody looks like F >experiencied > 30 ... I am 28 and work with VMS since 1989 ( I feel a >veteran)... and in K >my job I am alone. Therere 8 guys to manager our Unix servers (above 30s)t >, 8 guys to manage G >the NT servers (20-24)  and only me to manage  the OpenVMS servers....c >n" >Its just a market curiosity ....  E Just this side of 40, and worked on VMS since 1981 (started on one ofc the first 780's in the UK).u  : Not sure how much longer either statement will be true :-(   	Johni -- )
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:26:36 +0010n% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au + Subject: Re: This list participants profile 5 Message-ID: <01JUWU2QZIIQ004X5E@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>l   Martin Vorlaender said:e    >Horner's scheme comes in handy: >  >  7BC(hex) = (7*16+11)*16+12o >o9 >(just keep multiplying by 16 and adding the next digit).- >-9 >This works with calculators that don't honor precedence.t    O Good grief, how many of us are familiar with Horner, yet none of us remembered uP such a simple application!!!  Works with every calculator (if not with Micr...,  I did say calculator).  Q My calculator on my VMS boxen has a Mode menu.  I select hex and enter 7BC  (hey nK Tim, I was only joking about the 28 -- I needed a crutch to do 7BC too :-).   L I reselect mode and enter decimal --- ye gads, no maths (from me) but I get  1980.   N Any calculator which does not include parentheses will evaluate in the manner P that Antonio's did.  Someone else explained, but that's the nature of the beast P -- every operation is sequential, and not a mathematical formula using the laws ( of precedence that we read in a formula.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia-   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,-; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.:   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 09:08:03 GMTi8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile ( Message-ID: <39D88A0D.7504BFE8@decus.fi>  B Don't know about TI and others but Casio FX-39 that I used to have@ and a Casio FX-310 that just happens to be available both handleC this quite nicely, i.e. they and probably all other Casio FX seriestA calculators calculate 7*256+11*16+12 without any trouble as 1980.E  F The calculator included in Nokia 6150 GSM on the other produces 28860,0 i.e. gives no damn shit to the precedence rules.  A I think I should finally buy new Casio to replace the lost FX-39.n   _velio   "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote:  > L >         Really!  It performed the operations indicated in the order given.I > My Palm III gives the same result.  It's the result I'd expect from anyn! > calculator that I've ever used.  > F >         Now if you give it to a program that parses the whole thing,K > applies the "rules" and performs it as (7*256) + (11*16) + 12,  then, and K > only then, do you get 1980.  I've never seen a calculator that does that.cJ > My old H-P 35 which used Reverse Polish Notation could have done it yourL > way with relative ease but you'd still have had to push the buttons in the > right sequence to get 1980.V > 4 > Message text written by INTERNET:arcarlini@iee.org > >All I had handy was the, > W98 calculator so I fired it up and typed: >         7*256+11*16+12 > and ended up with 28860. > @ > This has to be the first time since about the early 1970s thatA > I have found a calculator that doesn't handle normal arithmetici > rules of precedence properly!  > <-   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 10:29:28 GMTC' From: david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb):+ Subject: RE: This list participants profile 0 Message-ID: <8rcce8$cd1$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  n In article <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A6211@and02.drc.com>, "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> writes:= >> In article <39D79C28.DCA3C0E3@iee.org>, "antonio.carlini" c >> <arcarlini@iee.org> writes: >> > >> >@ >> >For the record I saw 28 and 7BC and realised it was hex ... B >> >in fact I thought it worked out quite neatly. The day I cannot@ >> >do 28(16) to 40(10) in my head is the day I stop working :-)3 >> >but 7BC does not crop up often enough for me toe= >> >know immediately that it is 1980. All I had handy was thep. >> >W98 calculator so I fired it up and typed: >> >	7*256+11*16+12n >> >and ended up with 28860. >> s >rA >The problem is not lack of knowledge of precedence it is lack ofo& >understanding of the tool being used. >eB >A calculator, like an adding machine, performs the operation whenC >the next operator key is pressed and displays the running total.  eH >Try this on a real calculator and you will get the same result (28860). >h >v6 >Keyspressed    7 * 256  +  11   *   16  +       12  = >I: >Running Total          1792   1803    28848         28860 >p >u >C> >So the windows98 calculator emulates a calculator accurately. >iC >Now if you got this result in a spreadsheet or something else thatqF >evaluates the entire expression (rather than one operation at a time) >you'd have a valid complaint. >Y >UF >(The little Royal LD4 calculator that I carry around was used to test4 >this and it also calculated the value to be 28860.) >  >t
 >Eric Ebinger  >e  - Must depend on the quality of the calculator.u  D My old CASIO fx-570 Scientific Calculator gives me an answer of 1980M if I put in the entire calculation without pressing the = sign until the end.u   ie   7 x 256 + 11 x 16 + 12 =     Or if I  doI  	 7 x 256 =h   + 11 x 16 =    + 12 =  K (Running totals are NOT displayed on this calculator after x signs but are = displayed after + or = signs).    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 14:25:16 +0200=% From: Gabriel Sterk <gabi@aipm.co.il>=+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile-2 Message-ID: <001201c02d34$fd80cd40$2c46bf10@manai>  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:/ > What=B4s the average age of all people here ?t     Age 57 (already?)8 Since 1989 with Vmsi  
 Been with:! CDC 3300, CDC 6000 (applications)nF Xerox Sigma 5 (BPM - Batch & real time), Xerox Sigma 6 (CP-V) -- Sys.=  mgmt.F Honeywell DPS8 (CP6)   -  (wish I had some of its features these days= )  +
 IBM VM/CMS  F By the side of VMS, I also give a hand to the NT support guys & used = to haver a finger in Ultrix.y On this list since May '95.s   Regards,  
 Gabriel Sterk    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 16:21:24 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profiler8 Message-ID: <75ujtskdbh5huatrm2m02vvo8iekcgu0o5@4ax.com>  C On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:26:36 +0010, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auM wrote:  O >Any calculator which does not include parentheses will evaluate in the manner  Q >that Antonio's did.  Someone else explained, but that's the nature of the beast hQ >-- every operation is sequential, and not a mathematical formula using the laws e) >of precedence that we read in a formula.u  F Well, that was the case (after the Reverse Polish stuff - hey, where'sC the = key ?) in the early days, but most serious (costs more than avF beer) calculators have sported so-called algebraic logic for some timeF now.  Thus, 1 + 2 * 3 is usually, and more correctly imho, 7.  No need
 for brackets.   G The Windoze beast is obviously modelled on a cornflake packet giveaway.h   	John  -- -
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 18:25:33 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>o+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilek& Message-ID: <39DA168D.346F7BB@iee.org>   John Laird wrote:b > E > On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 19:26:36 +0010, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  > wrote: > P > >Any calculator which does not include parentheses will evaluate in the mannerR > >that Antonio's did.  Someone else explained, but that's the nature of the beastR > >-- every operation is sequential, and not a mathematical formula using the laws+ > >of precedence that we read in a formula.s > H > Well, that was the case (after the Reverse Polish stuff - hey, where'sE > the = key ?) in the early days, but most serious (costs more than aeH > beer) calculators have sported so-called algebraic logic for some timeH > now.  Thus, 1 + 2 * 3 is usually, and more correctly imho, 7.  No need > for brackets.I > I > The Windoze beast is obviously modelled on a cornflake packet giveaway.,   True.   C Sadly my son's cheapo cornflakes-packet-giveaway calculator gets ito wronga< as (even more sadly) does the DECwindows (Motif) calculator.  D W98 saves itself by having (as I see from another post) a scientific= mode - although it still drops marks for having the mandatorye default set the wrong way :-)-  ; Back in my day *all*[1] calculators knew how to do a simplem@ sum correctly. Yes I could have used Horner's rule but to know I> needed that I'd have to know the calculator was broken ... and3 if I knew it was broken I would'nt have used it ...   ; While we're back in my day ... we used to have calculus andn> surface integrals (yeah, OK .. and we used to get up before we> went to bed ... must be showing my age now ... Diodes down the@ left side are flaring up again ... Don't talk to me about Java).     Antonio   G [1] ALL here means all three Casio calculators that I used as a student  -hF     that's a statistically valid sample as far as I am concerned. PityD     all three calculators are now dead (even that early one with the9     power-hungry green electroluminescent displays ...).     -- e   ---------------n- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgU   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:49:40 -0400 (EDT),( From: Alan Simon <SIMON@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>, Subject: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.120 Message-ID: <01JUWCB2PDGK9LUYVM@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>   Hello -   H I currently have the OSU web server, but because of a unsolvable problemJ regarding a particular CGI script, I'm looking at Apache as a replacement.N I'm struggling to identify the home directory for a user in order to pass thatM information to Apache when the user's web page is accessed.  I have users on dO three different drives, and in different group directories on each drive.  The oO OSU server automagically reads the user's home directory from the SYSUAF file. o* How can I get Apache to do the same thing?   Thanks for your help.   O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------a@ Alan Simon                                      simon@hslc.org  E Associate Director                              simon@shrsys.hslc.org G Health Sciences Libraries Consortium            VOICE: (215) 222-1532  *E 3600 Market Street, Suite 550                     FAX: (215) 222-0416* Philadelphia, PA  19104eO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 13:56:27 -0300 (EST)  From: becherini@vortex.ufrgs.brl0 Subject: Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12, Message-ID: <00100313562767@vortex.ufrgs.br>  O _______________________________________________________________________________t  * . From: Alan Simon <SIMON@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>. . Subject: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12- . Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:49:40 -0400 (EDT)e . To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como . 	 . Hello -  . J . I currently have the OSU web server, but because of a unsolvable problemL . regarding a particular CGI script, I'm looking at Apache as a replacement.P . I'm struggling to identify the home directory for a user in order to pass thatO . information to Apache when the user's web page is accessed.  I have users on kQ . three different drives, and in different group directories on each drive.  The cQ . OSU server automagically reads the user's home directory from the SYSUAF file. n, . How can I get Apache to do the same thing? .  . Thanks for your help.a . Q . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------eB . Alan Simon                                      simon@hslc.org  G . Associate Director                              simon@shrsys.hslc.org,I . Health Sciences Libraries Consortium            VOICE: (215) 222-1532  aG . 3600 Market Street, Suite 550                     FAX: (215) 222-0416r . Philadelphia, PA  19104 Q . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------m    + 	WASD does the job, Apache I don't know ...M  N  _____________________________________________________________________________O |                                                                             |lO | Fabio Becherini                   System & Network Manager, Webmaster UFRGS |fO |_____________________________________________________________________________|e   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 14:36:20 GMT 0 From: FAZEKAS Mihaly <michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu> Subject: VAX8530, Message-ID: <8rcqt4$r50$1@goliat.eik.bme.hu>  # One of my new machine is a VAX8530. J One of other VAX fun pepole say: this computer's console is NOT a standard RS232, or compatible. F Must have a "VAX Console", wich is a microcompter-like box (look about+ DECMate), and used for console for VAX8530.. (i have 2 of VAX Console :) )a  E My question: what type cable(s) must be use for connect this box to at VAX8530?     -- l  mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu Phone: 463-1966r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:25:29 -0400r/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov>  Subject: RE: VAX8530I Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB241@rlghncst625.usps.gov>t  K As I recall, the console connects to the 8530 with a MMJ-to MMJ cable abouteL 25 feet long that also had a ground wire coming out of it in addition to the MMJ...  J Whether it was straight through, crossover or something else, I can't say.
 Too long ago.r   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:52 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: VAX8530    # One of my new machine is a VAX8530. J One of other VAX fun pepole say: this computer's console is NOT a standard RS232, or compatible.-F Must have a "VAX Console", wich is a microcompter-like box (look about+ DECMate), and used for console for VAX8530.) (i have 2 of VAX Console :) )i  E My question: what type cable(s) must be use for connect this box to ae VAX8530?     --  mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu Phone: 463-1966    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:46:28 -0700i* From: John Hagan <jhagan@axarosenberg.com> Subject: RE: VAX8530D Message-ID: <965B0ED2AEEDD311954A0000F8C1C0CE0CEB73@Rmatsc.Riem.Com>  
 Greetings,   The 85xx along with the 87xx machines had a pro380 as the console.  mmj was not what was used...  I do not have the cable type at hand, as we retired the 85xx mahines 8 years ago...e   regards,
 john hagan   -----Original Message-----4 From: Webb, William W [mailto:wwebb1@email.usps.gov]' Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 8:25 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come Subject: RE: VAX8530    K As I recall, the console connects to the 8530 with a MMJ-to MMJ cable about.L 25 feet long that also had a ground wire coming out of it in addition to the MMJ...  J Whether it was straight through, crossover or something else, I can't say.
 Too long ago.    WWWebb   -----Original Message-----0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ( Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:52 AM6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: VAX8530    # One of my new machine is a VAX8530.4J One of other VAX fun pepole say: this computer's console is NOT a standard RS232, or compatible. F Must have a "VAX Console", wich is a microcompter-like box (look about+ DECMate), and used for console for VAX8530.q (i have 2 of VAX Console :) ):  E My question: what type cable(s) must be use for connect this box to a  VAX8530?     --  mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu Phone: 463-1966    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:06:55 -0400i' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu>. Subject: Re: VAX8530' Message-ID: <39D9F60F.AE4083E0@rpi.edu>i  K     The cable you need is a special wide parallel cable.  Basically, it's a I DB-style connector, but wider than anything you'd normally find.  I don't.I know if it's straight through or has some weird pin wiring.  Last year wecK picked up a VAX 8530 and managed to find someone to ship us an old console,iL which came with the cable.  On the back of the system unit, there is a panelL where the console plugs in.  It has two ports.  One is RS-232, and the otherJ is that wide DB-style cable I mentioned.  The console also has such ports.L     Please read my post entitled "Getting our VAX 8530 working...(need VMS)"K in this newsgroup.  It is quite possible that you may have stuff we need tonJ get functional, and we really want to get our beast up as much as you want your's to work. :) -Derek <konigd@rpi.edu>    FAZEKAS Mihaly wrote:i  % > One of my new machine is a VAX8530.uL > One of other VAX fun pepole say: this computer's console is NOT a standard > RS232, or compatible. H > Must have a "VAX Console", wich is a microcompter-like box (look about- > DECMate), and used for console for VAX8530.  > (i have 2 of VAX Console :) )o >)G > My question: what type cable(s) must be use for connect this box to au
 > VAX8530? >  > --" > mailto:michael@goliat.eik.bme.hu > Phone: 463-1966a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 11:41:53 -0400'/ From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> 9 Subject: VAXstation 4000 VLC video (was:  BNC connectors) I Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB243@rlghncst625.usps.gov>,  0 From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:11 PM 6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET Subject: RE: BNC connectors.    - The VAX in question is a VAXStation 4000 VLC.) Thanks,  =+=Steve=+=   6 The 1993 Systems & Options catalog, page 2.7 indicates that the two video options are:-  E PV31G-AC  8-Plane color/grayscale graphics board  Compatible Monitors5L           for use with monitors operating at:     VRT16-HA/H4 C 16" 66/72 HzL           1280 x 1024 resolution, 72 Hz.          VRT19-HA/H4 C 19" 66/72 HzL                                                   VRC16-HA/H4 C 16" 66/72 HzL                                                   VR320-DA    C 19"    72 HzL                                                   VR319-DA/D4 M 19"    72 Hz  E PV31G-AD  8-Plane color graphics board            Compatible MonitorseL           for use with monitors operating at:     VRT19-DA/D3/D4 C 19" 66 HzL           1280 x 1024 resolution, 66 Hz.          VR320-CA    C 19"    66 HzL                                                   VRC16-HA/H4 C 16" 66/72 HzL                                                   VRT16-HA/H4 C 19" 66/72 HzL                                                   VRT19-HA/H4 C 19" 66/72 Hz   Hope this helps.   WWWp   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 17:50:00 GMT+6 From: "Emanuel Marciniak" <emarciniak@patientcare.com>) Subject: VMS error: %SYSTEM-F-IVIDENT ...h@ Message-ID: <c%oC5.174606$3E6.1636464@news1.alsv1.occa.home.com>   Hi,iK   I did post this message in Sybase group but there were no answers - looks K like Sybase on OpenVMS is not so popular. The following attachment consistsTI a fragment of Sybase error log file and we are getting this error all the L time. I assume that the error is specific just to protocol stack and OS. (we are running Sybase 11.0.3.3 onJ OpenVMS on Alpha and Digital TCP/IP aka UCX v 4.2 as a TCP stack ). I hopeJ someone saw this error before and will give a hint where start to look forC solution. We are experiencing slowness on the Sybase server, but we@J are not sure what cause what...(slowness causing an error or error causing# the slowness...). We do not see anyd problem with our network...8L   This is client./server - Powerbuilder applications on WNT4.0 - approx. 470
 users with 820 connections.  " Thank you in advance for any hint.   Emanuel Marciniakl7 =======================================================wH 01:2000/10/03 13:26:38.05 kernel  tcp_attnrcv_defer: Read pending cancel error, socket 37, listener 1nI 01:2000/10/03 13:26:38.07 kernel  - VMS error: %SYSTEM-F-IVIDENT, invalidu identi fier formatpH 02:2000/10/03 13:26:39.04 kernel  tcp_attnrcv_defer: Read pending cancel error, socket 37, listener 1tI 02:2000/10/03 13:26:39.07 kernel  - VMS error: %SYSTEM-F-IVIDENT, invalid  identi fier formateH 02:2000/10/03 13:27:40.19 kernel  tcp_attnrcv_defer: Read pending cancel error, socket 776, listener 1I 02:2000/10/03 13:27:40.22 kernel  - VMS error: %SYSTEM-F-IVIDENT, invalidn identi fier formatr  
 ..........   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 14:50:26 GMTw1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)s5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?i+ Message-ID: <8rcrni$3on$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>   * In article <8r8o7g$3i8$1@lisa.gemair.com>,2  jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes: |>  J |> While I agree that bad programs can be written in any language, I thinkK |> it is overreaching to say that "The quality of the code has _nothing_ ton |> do with the language used."  D OK, I'll concede this point and make it "The quality of the code has, _very little_ to do with the language used."   |> eI |> The oft-heard complaints about the quality of C programs predated both-D |> the recent explosive growth of the Free Software movement and the' |> common availability of the Internet.   C True, and by todays CS and coding standards all programs written inIG any language 20 years ago are poor poorly written.  One can't criticizeaF 1970's coding with 2000's eyes any more than we one can criticize FordD for the poor performance of the Flathead 6 compared to todays V-6's.C But the majority of garbage code today was writen yesterday and not:C 20 years ago.  And the people writting it can't claim they wrote itiC that way because that's the way they did it in 1975 because most ofb them weren't even born then.   |> oE |> Some languages get in your way and make it more difficult to write B |> better software.  A language that has as it's common method forB |> accessing arrays as through pointers, thus making array bounds B |> checking problematic, is bound to produce more latent bugs that |> are difficult to track.  B I disagree.  It may put more responsibility on the programmer, but> it is not problematic in and of itself.  It is the programmersA responsibility to know what the functions and the pitfalls of the-A language he has chosen for a task are.  The biggest problem today0@ is the "one tool" approach taken by so many "programmers".  C is? not the only language and is definitely not the right language t? for every job.  But hype carries much more weight than software0? engineering.  Array bounds can be exceeded (either accidentallycA or on purpose) in lots of languages, including Fortran and COBOL. ( And yes, even in most flavors of Pascal.     |> tE |> On the other hand, C is a great language exactly because it allowsmH |> such easy access to data through pointers.  This makes it appropriate7 |> for writing operating systems and embedded systems. s  F And now you have hit the nail on the head.  This is what C was createdD for and it is what the features most people decry were included for.H You can't blame the language for it's inapporopriateness to a particularE task any more than you can blame a ballpeen hammer for being used to d; drive nails in roofing shingles.  It's not the tools fault.L  dE |>                                                     I believe that0I |> these facts caused good C implementations to be universally available pB |> and was the obvious choice for portability.  Portability becameC |> something of a touchstone for serious programming in the last 20e1 |> years, so C/C++ (and now Java) are king today.o |> c |> sI |> >But it still isn't the fault of the language or the OS they choose to.I |> >use.  If VMS were free and ran on commodity hardware, the world wouldp: |> >be flooded with garbage VMS software written in BLISS. |> > |>  # |> I don't agree with this, at all.u  H Why not??  If it were possible for VMS and BLISS to become what Linux isG today, you would have a lot of people who don't know VMS and don't knowaE BLISS calling themselves "programmers" and churning out programs withmF convoluted logic and comments taken from "The Matrix".  The best toolsH in the world are useless in the wrong hands and the best language in theG world won't make everybody a programmer.  Hypertalk already tried that.l  
 All the best.w   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   -   ------------------------------   Date: 3 Oct 2000 12:06:05 -0400u/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)b5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?o* Message-ID: <8rd05d$rst$1@lisa.gemair.com>  + In article <8rcrni$3on$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>,a) Bill Gunshannon <bill@cs.uofs.edu> wrote:n+ >In article <8r8o7g$3i8$1@lisa.gemair.com>,d3 > jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:  >|> K >|> While I agree that bad programs can be written in any language, I think L >|> it is overreaching to say that "The quality of the code has _nothing_ to >|> do with the language used."  >tE >OK, I'll concede this point and make it "The quality of the code has - >_very little_ to do with the language used."  >   A Well, I guess we are in agreement then, especially if we confine  > ourselves strictly to the language definition.  If we get intoA the attributes of a language that cause a particular "culture" or0? style to become common, then I think we'll agree that choice of>& language has a lot to do with quality.  = I've observed that C, as a language, is misused because it is > approached by practicioners as a 3GL like any other.  In fact,3 it's a very sharp tool that must be used with care.m  > All of the aspects of C programming that make it dangerous and? difficult to use to write reliable software are also present inoB Assembly language, but I think we saw rather less pointer problemsA and memory leaks from assembly language programs than we see withi4 C programs today.  This is largely a cultural issue.   >|> J >|> The oft-heard complaints about the quality of C programs predated bothE >|> the recent explosive growth of the Free Software movement and the-( >|> common availability of the Internet. >mD >True, and by todays CS and coding standards all programs written in5 >any language 20 years ago are poor poorly written.  r  A I think I disagree with this.  Unless you are an OO bigot and any1A program not realized as Objects is badly written, I see very very)> little progress in the last 20 years with regard to quality in procedural programming.-  @ Let's see, structured programming is from the 70's, Algol 68 andC Pascal had good static type checking in the 60's and 70's.  I don'trA see much in the way of documenting programs that wasn't realized DF 30 or 40 years ago.  What advances in the last 20 years have relegated: programs written before then to the poor quality category?  G >                                                   One can't criticize.G >1970's coding with 2000's eyes any more than we one can criticize FordSE >for the poor performance of the Flathead 6 compared to todays V-6's.tD >But the majority of garbage code today was writen yesterday and notD >20 years ago.  And the people writting it can't claim they wrote itD >that way because that's the way they did it in 1975 because most of >them weren't even born then.e >  >|> F >|> Some languages get in your way and make it more difficult to writeC >|> better software.  A language that has as it's common method fortC >|> accessing arrays as through pointers, thus making array bounds cC >|> checking problematic, is bound to produce more latent bugs that- >|> are difficult to track.- >-C >I disagree.  It may put more responsibility on the programmer, but ? >it is not problematic in and of itself.  It is the programmers B >responsibility to know what the functions and the pitfalls of theB >language he has chosen for a task are.  The biggest problem todayA >is the "one tool" approach taken by so many "programmers".  C isd@ >not the only language and is definitely not the right language @ >for every job.  But hype carries much more weight than software@ >engineering.  Array bounds can be exceeded (either accidentallyB >or on purpose) in lots of languages, including Fortran and COBOL.) >And yes, even in most flavors of Pascal.  >   B If a programming language makes it more difficult to write quality? programs by putting more responsibility on the programmer, then_@ the use of that language has something to do with the quality of> the result.  We don't write accounting systems in machine codeA partly because the result would be low quality (hard to maintain,i lacking portability, etc.).e   >h >|> F >|> On the other hand, C is a great language exactly because it allowsI >|> such easy access to data through pointers.  This makes it appropriates8 >|> for writing operating systems and embedded systems.  >cG >And now you have hit the nail on the head.  This is what C was created E >for and it is what the features most people decry were included for.lI >You can't blame the language for it's inapporopriateness to a particular-F >task any more than you can blame a ballpeen hammer for being used to < >drive nails in roofing shingles.  It's not the tools fault. > F >|>                                                     I believe thatJ >|> these facts caused good C implementations to be universally available C >|> and was the obvious choice for portability.  Portability becametD >|> something of a touchstone for serious programming in the last 202 >|> years, so C/C++ (and now Java) are king today. >|>   F You see. Here's the problem.  People use C for tasks it wasn't createdC for.  Why?  Because portability is so important, because quality of.C implementation (including standard libraries) is important.  These a/ factors have outweighed other considerations.     @ The problems inherent in picking another language should not be A minimized.  I've seen shops that have sufferred greatly trying toEA use a good language like Ada largely because of the poor support eG on their platform for that language.  There are problems of interfacingx? to standard libraries like X-Windows and sockets and there are :@ issues of compiler quality (optimization, free of bugs) that areB greatly ameliorated when you choose C/C++ over any other language.  ? Nevertheless, I do feel that a shop that has quality of productE> as a goal, should strongly consider picking a language that isB appropriate for the task and deal with the problems.  The problems? inherent in using a language not appropriate to the task don't m< really come up until late in the development/testing/release5 cycle and then it's way too late to do much about it.a   >|> J >|> >But it still isn't the fault of the language or the OS they choose toJ >|> >use.  If VMS were free and ran on commodity hardware, the world would; >|> >be flooded with garbage VMS software written in BLISS.n >|> >c >|> $ >|> I don't agree with this, at all. >hI >Why not??  If it were possible for VMS and BLISS to become what Linux isoH >today, you would have a lot of people who don't know VMS and don't knowF >BLISS calling themselves "programmers" and churning out programs withG >convoluted logic and comments taken from "The Matrix".  The best tools I >in the world are useless in the wrong hands and the best language in thetH >world won't make everybody a programmer.  Hypertalk already tried that. >   F I think we have different perspectives on a lot of issues.  On the oneE hand, the growth of Linux, to me, has proven that quality comes abouteC from things than are deeper than the surface appearance of a set of8G code.  Linux has, I think, proven to be a fairly good server OS against-F competition that does have peer review and eschews frivalous comments 9 (I assume, I've never actually seen any Windows NT code).   B As I said above, I don't recall seeing the issues of array bounds ? problems and memory leaks in assembly language programs to the eB extent we see in C programs today.  I think there's a culture thatA goes along with a language, this include BLISS.  BLISS is clearlycC a systems programming language.  Anyone who used it would be almostc> immediately impressed by this fact.  BLISS encourages sensableC modularization and program organization.  Named parameters in calls.B is a big win to overall quality.  People using a language with theB attributes of BLISS would tend to take greater care, I think, than people who use C.A  ? Using C encourages one to take shortcuts because the culture ofb? C is to make economy of expression important (++, *, +=, etc.).a= (Actually, I think augmented assignment (+=) is almost alwaysk; a huge win because it avoids typos caused from retyping the D identifier on both sides of the assignment, this can be considerable% if the expression is complicated, eg:n  * 	foo.inbuff[record_start + offset] += 'A';  A is worlds better than... well, I won't bother typing it, it's too) much work. :-))n  B I agree that a language cannot make a programmer, but it can help.? The attitude that the choice of language has nothing to do withAA quality (which you've backed away from) seems to support that the1@ programmer can make the language appropriate for any task.  This I disagree with.   >All the best. >  >bill@ >i >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesDE >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.m >University of Scranton   |oB >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>      -Jordan Hendersonv jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.553 ************************