1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 04 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 555       Contents:# Re: !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! PRESS Web site? : ??== OpenVMS documentation set on CONDIST CDs PDF formats.> Re: ??== OpenVMS documentation set on CONDIST CDs PDF formats.> Re: ??== OpenVMS documentation set on CONDIST CDs PDF formats.' Alpha 533Mhz VMS base System $679 New !   appel  sous-traitance / salari Re: BNC connectors cable services# Re: Date Difference from within DCL # RE: Date Difference from within DCL  Re: DCPS and HP4050 TRAY 3' RE: DCPS and HP4050 TRAY 3 - workaround P DEC 3000 memory problems? (VMS boot problems) (Use of SET NOON in conversational DECnet/Alpha vs Web  DECnet/Alpha vs Web  Re: Default gateway in VMS9 Don't waste your time unless you want to change your life  Re: DSSI bus termination RE: DSSI bus termination Re: DSSI bus termination Re: file fragmentation Re: file fragmentation Re: file fragmentation$ Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web' RE: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' RE: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' RE: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ! getting group name from UIC value % Re: getting group name from UIC value % Re: getting group name from UIC value % Re: getting group name from UIC value % Re: getting group name from UIC value  Help on ots$Move3  Re: Help on ots$Move3  Help on Sort /Process=Address ! help with MACRO compiler warnings  Hobbyist Alpha System for $679 Re: how long should DIFF take? Re: how long should DIFF take? Re: how long should DIFF take? Re: how long should DIFF take?% I didn't think it would work either!!  Re: Logical Tables Re: Logical Tables Re: Logical Tables" Re: Looks like I need help again!!& Memo:  Date Difference from within DCL( MicroVAX 3100 20e and ST15230N weirdness Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions  Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.2 , New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?0 Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?0 Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?0 Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?0 Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?0 Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?5 Re: OpenVMS Systems as client to MS SQLserver Server. 5 Re: OpenVMS Systems as client to MS SQLserver Server. 2 openVMS v7.1 VAX with Dump off System Disk feature6 Re: openVMS v7.1 VAX with Dump off System Disk feature6 Re: openVMS v7.1 VAX with Dump off System Disk feature6 Re: openVMS v7.1 VAX with Dump off System Disk feature Re: PF keys  RE: PF keys  Re: PF keys  Re: PF keys  Re: Privileges needed for PHONE E Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products I Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products I Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products I Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products I Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products H Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDFProducts Question on lib$Get_VM Re: Question on lib$Get_VM Re: Question on lib$Get_VM# Sending/receiving faxes on OpenVMS? ' Re: Sending/receiving faxes on OpenVMS? ' Re: Sending/receiving faxes on OpenVMS? 8 Re: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full" Re: SWCC and Pathworks t / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. " Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile Thoughts on the "Light Ball" Unidata  Re: VAX8530  Re: volume set copying. 0 What exactly happens when a terminal dissappears& Re: Why does TYPE/TAIL sometimes fail?> Wildfire! Guaranteed Downline! Free, No obligation Enrollment!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:04:37 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>, Subject: Re: !d!i!g!i!t!a!l! PRESS Web site?* Message-ID: <39DAC875.9B59548F@Easynet.fr>   "Leigh G. Bowden" wrote: > M > I thought they were now part of Butterworth-Heinman at http://www.bh.com so  > unless Compaq bought them?   Yes, thank you.   @ Btw, you didn't notice that I got many answers since the 26th of, September ? What news reader do you use? :-)   Have a good day. D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:10:06 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)C Subject: ??== OpenVMS documentation set on CONDIST CDs PDF formats. D Message-ID: <aus-0410001110060001@wvia30.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  N http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/extra/DOC_ORDERING.HTML#base_os_docset_cdrom  I The above web site states the OVMS documentation is also available in PDF  format on ISO9660 CD-ROMs.  E The CDs that come with our CONDIST can, however, only be used on OVMS $ systems and don't have PDF files  :(  < 1) Is it possible to order the CONDIST with ISO9660 CD-ROMs? 2) Can the PDFs be printed? < 3) Does the printout include an Index and Table of Contents?4 4) Is the CONDIST with the PDF files more expensive?    G Or, is it possible to download, for example, the TCPIP Services PDF and  print the manual locally?    --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:41:38 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)G Subject: Re: ??== OpenVMS documentation set on CONDIST CDs PDF formats. D Message-ID: <aus-0410001141380001@wvia30.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>   OOPS!   H I just found the OpenVMS documentation CD; it's in the OVMS distribution/ package and not in the layered product package.    BUT:  I The PDF files seems to be only older manuals, whereas, the HTML files are  OVMS 7.2-1 final.   2 Where can I find the newest manuals in PDF format?   --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:25:32 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> G Subject: Re: ??== OpenVMS documentation set on CONDIST CDs PDF formats. / Message-ID: <stmq14qeo8fta1@corp.supernews.com>   9 "Hans M. Aus" <aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote in message > news:aus-0410001110060001@wvia30.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de... >...B > The CDs that come with our CONDIST can, however, only be used on OVMS& > systems and don't have PDF files  :( > > > 1) Is it possible to order the CONDIST with ISO9660 CD-ROMs? >...  @ Not quite the answer to the question you ask, but the latest AXPD Condist included two CD's that can be read on a PC and it included aA Windows version of Bookreader. Evidently the VAX Condist does not 
 include this.    --D For the pilot there is nothing as useless as sky above you or runway behind you, C for the Usenet reader there is nothing as useless as mime code in a  message.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:10:27 -0400% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> 0 Subject: Alpha 533Mhz VMS base System $679 New !/ Message-ID: <stma7ql3vqi7f3@corp.supernews.com>   B As you are probably aware, we purchased a large qty of DEC PC164LX motherboards with 533mHz cpu's  A We are putting them into NEW AXXION cases (the preferred DEC box) 9 These come configured in a base configuration as follows:    PC164LX with 2mb on board cache  533Mhz CPU 21164 2 Serial Ports 1 parallel  2 IDE COntrollers  4 PCI Slots  4 memory Slots (168pin)  SRM loaded for VMS 7.2-1# AXXION  Case with 400W Power supply 
 1.44Mb Floppy  48x SCSI Toshiba CD-ROM , SCSI-2 Controller PCI with cable  for CD-ROM  ) Price per base system $679 + $25 shipping - All product is brand NEW with 1 year warranty   I We have not installed memory, hard drive, hard drive controller, ethernet L card or video card, though we do stock these products and can provide at low costK Systems use industry standard PC100 memory SDRAM (though we have used 83Mhz  ECC and it works fine)   Options:  ? KZPBA-CA (QLA1040)UW SCSI Controller PCI for Disk Tape Etc $249 6 DE500-BA 10/100 Ethernet Card for Alpha PCI $55 Unused6 9Gb Ultra SCSI Wide Low Profile 7200rpm $250 Brand NEW 128Mb memory kit (4x32) $189 256mb memory kit (4 x 64) $389 512mb (2 x 256) $859  K Call us on Toll Free 877 636 4332 or Email sales@islandco.com  Fax: 912 201 
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 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this  message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:47:14 +0200$ From: "DRH" <drh.actimer@wanadoo.fr>) Subject: appel  sous-traitance / salari % Message-ID: <8rfc0d$qaq$1@wanadoo.fr>   2 SSII base  Paris recherche de toute urgence un :J - Dveloppeur VAX/COBOL/RDB pour travailler dans le domaine financier dans le centre de Paris. L La mission consiste au dveloppement de nouvelles applications  partir d'un cahier des charges. 5 Autonomie et rigueur sont vos deux principaux atouts.      AC TIMER /Graldine PAPAZIAN 47, rue Saint-andr des Arts 75 006 PARIS Tl  : 01.43.26.14.09  Fax : 01.43.26.39.69   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:30:10 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: BNC connectors 8 Message-ID: <a7qltscf2j6ue1jm77uv9b8diho3iaovme@4ax.com>  4 On Tue, 3 Oct 2000 14:47:23 -0400, "Steven Shamlian" <not.an@earthling.net> wrote:   
 >Hello again, H >The CPU model number is VS48K-AA.  The connector on the back looks likeM >three female RCA connectors (ya know, those ones you would use for composite L >video) except about 3/16" diameter (that's about 4mm for those of you whose? >country has a decent system of measurement).  The three have a L >D-connector-esque metal piece around them (for protection?  alignment?) andJ >require one to plug an adapter from these three things to R, G, and B BNC >connectors.  G Curious - my VLC is a -CA model but has the same connector (then again, F we regularly tinker with the insides of our office machines and it mayF be that somewhere along the line the graphics board was transplanted).G The mini-coax sockets are the same as Sun use in their 13W3 connectors, G where they also squeeze in some pins to carry either video mode signals H or mouse and keyboard stuff (the latter, I suspect).  Only DEC used thisF connector, so you must have a DEC cable, and they are rarer than hen's- teeth and command suitably outrageous prices.   F Follow Antonio's advice and see what SHOW CONFIG reveals.  I think you@ probably have the highest resolution board, for what it's worth.H Alternatively, flip the lid off and spot the crystal can on the graphicsE board which is on top of the motherboard.  If it says 130.808Mhz, you 4 are definitely looking at the 1280x1024 72Hz option.     	John  --  
 John Laird   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:31:00 -0500 (EST)  From: 63426672@yahoo.com Subject: cable services 9 Message-ID: <iss.4e3b.39dac9a4.14f6.1@cpmx.mail.saic.com>   / > > NOTE: THIS IS AN ADVERTISEMENT FOR LEGAL TV 2 > > DE-SCRAMBLER.  IF YOU HAVE NO INTEREST IN THIS4 > > INFORMATION PLEASE CLICK DELETE NOW. THANK YOU-- > >  > > LEGAL CABLE TV DE-SCRAMBLER ; > > Want to watch Sporting Events?--Movies?--Pay-Per-View?? B > > You can assemble from electronic store parts for about $12.00. > > We Send You:( > > E-Z To follow Assembly Instructions." > > E-Z To read Original Drawings. > > Electronic parts lists. % > > PLUS SOMETHING NEW YOU MUST HAVE! # > > Something you can't do without. 6 > > THE UP-TO-DATE REPORT: USING A DESCRAMBLER LEGALLY: > > Warning: You should not build a TV Descrambler without > > reading this report first.4 > > Frequently Asked Questions--CABLE TV DESCRAMBLER6 > > Q: Will the descrambler work on Fiber, TCI, Jarrod > > A: The answer is YES. ! > > Q: Do I need a converter box? 7 > > A: This plan works with or without a converter box. = > > Specific instructions are included in the plans for each! @ > > Q: Can the cable company detect that I have the descrambler?; > > A: No, the signal descrambles right at the box and does # > > not move back through the line! 3 > > Q: Do I have to alter my existing cable system,  > > television or VCR? > > A: The answer is no!- > > Q: Does this work with my remote control? , > > A: The answer is yes. The descrambler is. > > manually controlled--but very easy to use!" > > Q: Can you email me the plans?A > > A: No the program comes with an easy to follow picture guide. 4 > > Q: Does this work everywhere across the country?0 > > A: Yes, every where in the USA plus England,' > > Brazil, Canada and other countries!  > > Q: Is this deal guaranteed? H > > A: Yes, if you are unhappy for any reason we will refund your money.. > > Q: When I order, when will I get my stuff?@ > > A: We mail out all orders within 48 hours of receiving them. > > ORDER INFORMATION < > > ACT WITHIN THE NEXT 14 DAYS AND RECEIVE TWO FREE BONUS!!H > > THE CABLE MANUAL! This manual contains hard to find information yourC > > cable company does not want you to know. Also receive The RADAR B > > JAMMER PLANS! Never get another speeding ticket. Build you ownE > > radar jammer, this unit will jam police radar so they can't get a  reading  > onH > > your vechicle. Radar jammers are legal in 48 states. It is simple to > build.0 > > The FREE BONUSES ALONE ARE WORTH ACTING NOW!5 > > THE CABLE DESCRAMBLER KIT COMES WITH A THIRTY DAY ; > > MONEY BACK GUARANTEE! IF YOUR NOT COMPLETELY SATISFIED, 4 > > SEND THE CABLE DESCRAMBLER KIT BACK AND YOU KEEP2 > > THE BONUSES FOR FREE. YOU HAVE NOTHING TO LOSE4 > > ONLY FREE CABLE TV TO GAIN! ACT NOW! SIMPLY SEND! > > $14.00 CHECK OR, MONEY ORDER.  > > INFORMATION TO:  > >  > > NET SERVICES > > PO BOX 42013 > > URBANDALE, IA 50322  > >  > >  > > ; > > THIS INFORMATION IS SOLD FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY! 8 > > This mailing is done by an independent marketing co.: > > We apologize if this message has reached you in error.. > > Save the Planet, Save the Trees! Advertise, > > via E mail. No wasted paper! Delete with3 > > one simple keystroke! Less refuse in our Dumps! ) > > This is the new way of new millenium! 8 > >  If you would like to be removed move233@dcemail.com >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 01:10 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) , Subject: Re: Date Difference from within DCL, Message-ID: <4OCT200001104175@gerg.tamu.edu>  7 "Frank D. Nicodem, Jr." <Nicodem@InfoAve.Net> writes... K }Does anyone have a decent procedure to do a "date difference" from DCL?  I M }have two VMS dates, and I'd like to find the number of days between them.  I H }could do it by "brute force", but I hate to have to always have to playI }around with the number-of-dates-in-each-month thingie.  I was curious if , }anyone had encountered a similar situation. }--  }Frank D. Nicodem, Jr.  . It comes up a lot. Here's my preferred method:  E This appended DCL converts the date passed as P1 (or the current date * if P1 not passed) to modified julian days.   $! mod_julian_day.com F $! Calculate modified julian day (to get julian day instead, uncommentN $! the two commented out lines "jdh" related lines (which makes the changeoverB $! at noon instead of midnight) and also stop subtracting 2400001.  $! CP, 17-Jun-2000 (MJD = 51712)
 $ jddate = p1 * $ jdy = F$CVTime(jddate,"ABSOLUTE","YEAR")- $ jdm = F$CVTime(jddate,"COMPARISON","MONTH") - $! jdh = F$CVTime(jddate,"COMPARISON","HOUR") ) $ jdd = F$CVTime(jddate,"ABSOLUTE","DAY")  $ jdy = jdy + 8000 $ If jdm .LT. 3  $ Then $   jdy = jdy-1  $   jdm = jdm+12 $ EndIF N $ jday = (jdy*365)+(jdy/4)-(jdy/100) +(jdy/400)-1200820+(jdm*153+3)/5-92+jdd-1$ $! If jdh .LT. 12 Then jday = jday-1 $ mjday == jday-2400001u  F Note that the last line stores the result in a global symbol that will' survive past the end of the proceedure.m  H Run it on each of the two dates and subtract the earlier from the latterD like so (where date1 and date2 are formatted as valid absolute datesH or date-times, i.e. "4-OCT-2000", within the valid range for such things in VMS):   $ @mod_julian_day "''date1'" $ mjdays1 = mjday  $ @mod_julian_day "''date2'" $ mjdays2 = mjdaya $ If mjdays1 .LT. mjdays2a $ Then $   days = mjdays2 - mjdays1 $ Else $   days = mjdays1 - mjdays2 $ EndIf   I If you specify date1 = "17-nov-1858" (modified julain day 0, also the VMSeH base date - not exactly coincidentally) and date2 = "31-dec-9999" (whichF is not the last valid date for a VMS quadword time value, but the dateG handling routines don't yet accept 5 digit years) and do the above, youa! find that you get days = 2973483.f   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:28:28 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>, Subject: RE: Date Difference from within DCL- Message-ID: <0033000005790547000002L072*@MHS>E   =0ADo you have DSNlink?s. There's an article with a DCL example of this., Beats the heck out of reinventing the wheel.   WWWr -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 3:52 PMo6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET( Subject: Date Difference from within DCL    H Does anyone have a decent procedure to do a "date difference" from DCL?=   I H have two VMS dates, and I'd like to find the number of days between the= m.  InH could do it by "brute force", but I hate to have to always have to play=  H around with the number-of-dates-in-each-month thingie.  I was curious i= ff+ anyone had encountered a similar situation.N -- Frank D. Nicodem, Jr.0 Nicodem@InfoAve.Net=   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:34:03 -0400e0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com># Subject: Re: DCPS and HP4050 TRAY 3nC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-74DBB2.12340304102000@news.compaq.com>p  G In article <8rdha5$2ma$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, "Jean-Franois Marchal" l' <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:o  < > Thanks for this quick answer. any workaround ?for tray 3 ?  E You cannot specify trays when printing to an unsupported printer, so pE there's no supported solution.  You could write some PostScript code wF that would select tray 3 and put it in a device control module.  Then G you could do PRINT /SETUP  or add a form and do PRINT /FORM or add the   form to a queue definition.N   Paul   -- t,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:46:28 -0400 - From: "Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> 0 Subject: RE: DCPS and HP4050 TRAY 3 - workaroundB Message-ID: <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DEAA7@petra.WPI.EDU>  I Ah Ha!  I've always wondered why "HP LaserJet 4000 Series" didn't include I the 4050.  Since the 4050 isn't currently supported, here's what we do toML get tray selection to work.  Make a copy of sys$library:dcps$devctl.tlb.  WeL call ours hp4050$devctl.tlb.  Then extract the initpsdevice and setinputtrayL from the HP 4000 modules with librarary /extract command.  you may only needI the setinputtray module, but this is what I tried and it has been workingh9 with our production workhorse printer for the last year).M  3 library /extract = LPS$$HPLASERJET4000_INITPSDEVICEe: /output=LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_INITPSDEVICE.TXT dcps$devctl.tlb3 library /extract = LPS$$HPLASERJET4000_SETINPUTTRAY : /output=LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY.TXT dcps$devctl.tlb  I The modules have now been renamed, so insert these replacements into youriK copy of the dcps$devctl.tlb, overwriting the original unrecognized modules.-    F library /replace/text hp4050$devctl.tlb LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_INITPSDEVICEF library /replace/text hp4050$devctl.tlb LPS$$UNRECOGNIZED_SETINPUTTRAY  I Now create your queue with your new hp4050 device control library and you I can use tray_3 to select the bottom tray.  You may actually only need thesJ setinputtray module, but this is what I tried and it has been working withE our production workhorse printer for the last year.  Hope this helps.d   David    > -----Original Message-----9 > From: Paul Anderson [mailto:paul.r.anderson@COMPAQ.COM]0) > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:23 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com?% > Subject: Re: DCPS and HP4050 TRAY 3T >  > @ > In article <8rddii$28a$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, "Jean-Francois  > Marchal" >) > <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote:/ > $ > > With OpenVMS 7.2-1 and DCPS 1.8,3 > > we need to print on tray #3 of a LaserJet 4050Nl > > 0 > > $ print /param=(INPUT_TRAY=TRAY_3) ! returns= > > %DCPS-E-INTRAYNOTSUP, No tray_3 on HP LaserJet 4050 SerieM > > , > > There is a third tray on the printer ...0 > > Does anybody have an idea of what is wrong ? > C > DCPS does not support the HP LaserJet 4050.  It supports the "HP nG > LaserJet 4000 Series".  In hindsight, we should have specified which ?@ > models that was:  4000, 4000N, 4000T and 4000TN.  That's what  > HP means   > by "4000 Series".l > : > We hope to support the 4050 in the next release of DCPS. >  > Paul >  > -- -. >    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS). >    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:32:33 +0100- From: Hasan Ali <hasan.ali@state.demon.co.uk>0Y Subject: DEC 3000 memory problems? (VMS boot problems) (Use of SET NOON in conversational;0 Message-ID: <k01FwUAhNy25EwqO@state.demon.co.uk>  / Something that may be worth adding to the FAQ..i .  .m  = In article <970107534.943108@sj-nntpcache-3>, Howard M. Harte2 <hharte@cisco.com> writesi >SYSBOOT> SET/STARTUP OPA0:f >SYSBOOT> WRITESYSPARAMS 0 >SYSBOOT> CONTINUE >m ., .u
 $ SET NOON $ spawne
 $ SET NOON $ @sys$system:startup   < ... The SET NOON can make all the difference in the world...  $ >then I got the '$' prompt, and did:L >$ SPAWN  (some messages came up, and then it hung, I never got the $ prompt >back)5 >so I couldn't do the next step: @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.z >gD >After that, I get the output displayed below all the time.  So, I'mH >wondering if the memory problems could cause this behavior, or did I do8 >something wrong during my conversational boot, or both. >(   .. Here for example...   Regards,   Hasanw  J >    Interestingly enough, if I press ^P when the system is 'hung' I get a7 >prompt, so it's not really hung (in a windows sense :)e >oL >    Thanks for any information.  I'm starting to get discouraged.  I wantedK >to get a small, halfway decent VMS system so that I could explore VMS fromsL >other than just a simple user perspective.  Already I'm finding out that itI >is much more complex than Unix, Linux, etc.  I am somewhat fascinated by-L >VMS, since Win NT originated from the VMS group (Dave Cutler, et al.) afterJ >they left DEC.  I've seen one bugcheck message, and it is very similar to >Win NT. >sB >    Thanks in advance for any help, sorry for such a long post... >f >DEC 3000 - M400 >Digital Equipment Corporation! >System conducting power up testsa= >------------------------------------------------------------o >g >Devnam           Devstat6 >--------         ------- F >     CPU          OK KN15-BA -V2.4-S462-I077-sV1.0-DECchip 21064 P3.0 >    ASIC          OKs# >     MEM          ?? 828 0050 64MB  >     NVR          OKPB >     SCC          OK ptr(0) = Not Present  keybd(2) = Not PresentA >      NI          OK Ethernet Address: 08-00-2B-32-C3-F9 , TENBT5 >    SCSI          OK  >    ISDN          OKr= >------------------------------------------------------------i) >System power up tests detected error(s).d4 >See your system documentation for more information. >w >o
 >>>> test mem $ >T-STS-MEM - Current Test ParametersK >T-STS-MEM -  lo_addr = 00200000   init_mem    = ON    test_bad_pages = OFFLI >T-STS-MEM -  hi_addr = 04000000   stop_on_err = ON       max_retries = 0n- >T-STS-MEM - Corrected Error count = 0000000EIE >LAS_biu_stat  = 00000000.00003B40  LAS_biu_addr  = 00000000.000F8018 E >LAS_fill_synd = 00000000.00002C00  LAS_fill_addr = 00000000.000588D0 " >? T-ERR-MEM - FAILED, status = 50 >c >?? 828       MEM 0x0050 >  >e
 >  84 FAIL >s
 >>>> print >U >AUTO_ACTION = BOOTG >BOOTDEF_DEV = DKA3005 >BOOT_OSFLAGS = 0,0  >ENABLE_AUDIT = OFF  >BOOT_RESET = ON >SCSI_RESET = 4c >DIAG_LOE = OFFc >DIAG_QUICK = OFFa >DIAG_SECTION = 3i% >ETHERNET = 08-00-2B-32-C3-F9 , TENBT 
 >MOP = OFF
 >SECURE = OFFt
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thanks...   Jennifer   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:28:18 -0700 , From: Jennifer Tran <jtran@bms.calstate.edu> Subject: DECnet/Alpha vs Web0 Message-ID: <39DB68B1.12B56BA9@bms.calstate.edu>  F Could someone please explain to me how DECnet/Alpha can be used as theE back end for Web .. what can make this association more effective and 4 efficient than other technologies  ...Many thanks...   Jennifer   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:37:39 +0100S- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> # Subject: Re: Default gateway in VMS ) Message-ID: <39DB0873.3C185594@bbc.co.uk>    Lawrence Bleau wrote:   O >  I defined a route for 0.0.0.0 to the correct gateway, then deleted the bogus P > gateway.  I also defined a permanent default route (as Arne showed above).  ItP > turns out the systems that had this problem did not have any permanent defaultI > route.  I've no idea what triggered the good route to be cleared and an ( > incorrect route to be entered, though.  I Do you have any other priv'd users on those machines apart from yourself?E   Just a thought.6     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:24:59 GMT- From: 4U3NI@0TMXA.AN65H B Subject: Don't waste your time unless you want to change your life7 Message-ID: <LJJC5.1818$893.13691@telenews.teleline.es>-  B THESE WILL ONLY WORK IF YOU FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INTSTRUCTIONS AT THE8 BOTTOM...DOES THIS HONESTLY AND FAIRLY AND IT WILL WORK!   How to turn $6 into $6,000!p  $ READING THIS COULD CHARGE YOUR LIFE!F I found this on a bulletin board and decided to try it. A little whileB back, I was browsing through newsgroups and came across an articleD similar to this that said you could make thousands of dollars withinA weeks with only an initial investment of $6.00! SI thought, "yeahsE right, this must be a scam," but like most of us, I was curious, so I A kept on reading.  Anyway, it said you send $1.00 to each of the 6 * names and addresses stated in the article.F You then place your own name at the bottom of the list as #6, and postA the article on at least 200 newsgroups.  (There are thousands) NoND catch, that was it.  So after thinking it over, and talking to a fewE people first, I thought about trying it.  I figured: "what have I gotSA to lose except 6 stamps and $6, right?"  Then I invested a measlyeE $6.00.  Well GUESS WHAT!!!.... Within 7 days, I started getting moneyrA in the mail!  I was shocked! I figured it would end soon, but the D money just kept coming in. In my first week, I made about $25.00. ByC the end of the second week I had made a total of over $1,000.00! In"D the third week I had over $10,000.00 and it's still growing. This isE now my forth week and I have made a total of just over $42,000.00 and F it's still coming in rapidly. It's certainly worth $6.00 and 6 stamps.9 Let me tell you how it works and most importantly, why itND works...Also, make sure you print a copy of this article NOW, so youD can get the information off it as you need it. I promise you that ifB you follow the directions exactly, that you will start making more; money than you thought possible by doing something so easy!5@ Suggestion: Read this entire message carefully! (Print it out orC download it.) Follow the simple directions and watch the money come  in!   H It's easy. It's legal. And, your investment is only $6.00 (Plus postage)E IMPORTANT: This is not a-; it is not indecent; it is not illegal; andU it is virtually no risk.E If all of the following instructions are adhered to, you will receive  extraordinary dividends.C PLEASE NOTE: Please follow these directions EXACTLY, and $50,000 or C more can be yours in 20 to 60 days. This program remains successful @ because of the honesty and integrity of the participants. PleaseC continue its success by carefully adhering to the instructions. You F will now become part of the Mail Order business. In this business yourA product is not solid and tangible, it's a service. You are in thePA business of developing Mailing Lists. Many large corporations areaF happy to pay big bucks for quality lists. However, the money made fromF the mailing lists is secondary to the income which is made from people3 like you and me asking to be included in that list. % Here are the 4 easy steps to success:SF STEP 1: Get 6 separate pieces of paper and write the following on eachF piece of paper "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR MAILING LIST" Now get 6 US $1.00D bills and place ONE inside EACH of the 6 pieces of paper so the billB will not be seen through the envelope (to prevent thievery). Next,D place one paper in each of the 6 envelopes and seal them. You shouldC now have 6 sealed envelopes, each with a piece of paper stating the C above phrase, your name and address, and a $1.00 bill. What you are > doing is creating a service. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY LEGAL! You are: requesting a legitimate service and you are paying for it!C Like most of us I was a little skeptical and a little worried about C the legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post1C Office (1-800-725-2161) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! 0 Mail the 6 envelopes to the following addresses:   #1) Claudio Jos Arribas Gmez.  c/Ciudad de picasent, 4 piso 15 
 Parque Alcosa  41019 Sevilla. Espaa   #2) Ana Suarez PastorT  c/Sabino Arana-49;Esc. 2;6 izq 48013 Bilbao Espaa   #3) Peter K- Asturias 6-4 E-29640 Fuengirola Spain    #4) Eva Flores Comes c/Isaac Albeniz-18;2;6-A 12580 BENICARLO (CASTELLN)5 Espaa   #5) J.P. Soucien 7023 Bella Vista RD. Vernon B.C.  V1H 1X3   
 #6) B. Hanson  63364 majestic loop Bend	 Or. 97701   F STEP 2: Now take the #1 name off the list that you see above, move theD other names up (6 becomes5, 5 becomes 4 etc...) and add YOUR NAME as number 6 on the list.   D Step 3: Change anything you need to, but try to keep this article asC close to original as possible. Now, post your amended article to at D least 200 newsgroups. (I think there are close to 80,000 groups) AllD you need is 200, but remember, the more you post, the more money you make! B This is perfectly legal! If you have any doubts, refer to Title 18B Sec.1302 & 1341 of the Postal laws. Keep a copy of these steps for@ yourself and, whenever you need money, you can use it again, and again.C PLEASE REMEMBER that this program remains successful because of the @ honesty and integrity of the participants and by their carefully= adhering o the directions. Look at it this way. If you are of F integrity, the program will continue and the money that so many others! have received will come your way.S@ NOTE: You may want to retain every name and address sent to you,E either on a computer or hard copy and keep the notes people send you. E This VERIFIES that you are truly providing a service. (Also, it might F be a good idea to wrap the $1 bill in dark paper to reduce the risk of mail theft.)E So, as each post is downloaded and the directions carefully followed, @ six members will be reimbursed for their participation as a list? developer with one dollar each. Your name will move up the list E geometrically so that when your name reaches the #1 position you will D be receiving thousands of dollars in CASH!!! What an opportunity forF only $6.00 ($1.00 for each of the first six people listed above.) Send; it now, add your own name to the list and your in business!-D ----DIRECTIONS-------FOR HOW TO POST TO NEWSGROUPS------------------C Step 1)  You don't need to retype this entire letter to do your own  posting.D Simply put your cursor at the beginning of this letter and drag yourA cursor to the bottom of the letter, and select copy from the edit : menu.  This will copy the letter to your computers memory.E Step 2) Open a blank notepad file and place your cursor at the top of E the blank page.  From edit menu select paste.  This will paste a copy @ of the letter into notepad so you can add your name to the list.E Step 3) Save your new notepad file as a .txt file.  If you want to doMD your postings in different settings, you'll always have this file to go back to. ? Step 4) Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching forP? various newsgroups (on-line forums, message boards, chat sites,i discussions)A Step 5) Visit these message boards and post this article as a neweC message by highlighting the text of this letter and selecting paste  from the edit menu.MB Fill in the subject, this will be the header that everyone sees asE they scroll through the list of postings in a particular group, click O the post message button.  You're done with your first one!!  Congratulations...cF THAT"S IT! All you have to do is jump to different newsgroups and postD away, after you get the hang of it, it will take 30 seconds for each
 newsgroup!F **REMEMBER, THE MORE NEWSGROUPS YOU POST IN, THE MORE MONEY YOU MAKE!!# BUT YOU HAVE TO POST AT LEAST 200**L@ That's it!  You will begin receiving money from around the worldB within days! You may eventually want to rent a P.O. Box due to theF large amount of mail you will receive.  If you wish to stay anonymous,E you can invent a name to use, as long as the postman will deliver it. .   **JUST MAKE SURE ALL ADDRESSES ARE CORRECT**D Now the WHY part: Out of 200 postings, say I receive only 5 replies.C So then I made $5.00 with my name at #6 on the letter. Now, each of B the original 5 persons who just sent me $1.00 make the MINIMUM 200F postings, each with my name at #5 and only 5 persons respond to each ,F that's $25.00 for me, now those 25 each make 200 MINIMUM posts with myB name at #4 and only 5 replies each, I will bring in and additionalB $125.00! and so on...With an amazing original investment of $6.00!C AMAZING! When your name is no longer on the list, you just take the5E latest posting in the newsgroups, and send out another $6.00 to names 1 on the list, putting your name at number 6 again. F The thing to remember is:  do you realize that thousands of people allB over the world are joining the internet and reading these articlesE everyday? JUST LIKE YOU are now!! So, can you afford $6.00 and see ifyE it really works?? I think so...People have said, "what if the plan is A played out and no one sends you the money." So what! What are the F chances of  that happening when there are tons of new honest users andF new honest people who are joining the internet and newsgroups everydayC and are willing to give it a try? Estimates are at 20,000 to 50,000 ? new users, everyday, with thousands of those joining the actual A internet. Remember, play FAIRLY and HONESTLY and this really willE work.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:13:53 +0200I( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>! Subject: Re: DSSI bus terminationQ& Message-ID: <39DACAA1.F9728D26@cli.de>   Douglas Taylor schrieb:  > + > Couple of simple questions about a MV3400  > < > 1. Do I need to terminate the DSSI bus on the front panel? > > not always. Termination, like SCSI, always at both ends of the	 DSSI-bus.   8 > 2. If I don't terminate the DSSI bus, what can happen? >   If the bus is not used, nothing.  : > 3. If I absolutely need a terminator where do I get one? > < If the bus is short, it might work with only one terminator,: but dont blame me, if not ;-) Try accessing a disk or tape0 on it and and make lots of transfers to test it.   --  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.deMC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89B   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:24:02 -0500N* From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>! Subject: RE: DSSI bus terminationL- Message-ID: <0033000005789605000002L052*@MHS>   H =0AHere are the part numbers for the two styles of DSSI terminators tha= t C I am conversant with, but these I know from things like 4000 series B VAXen and HSD10/BA350 HSD50/SW300 disk arrays so this might be the information you're looking for:o  / The one that's on the front of the VAX 4000s is > Female 50-pin style (looks sort of like SCSI-2)    12-29258-01   HSD10s and HSD50s use this one:5> Female  Honda-style (looks like small Centronics)  12-31281-01  A If you can't find them from a used supplier, COMPAQ will be happy  to sell one to you.  -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ' Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 4:22 PM 6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET! Subject: RE: DSSI bus termination1     Douglas Taylor wrote:  > + > Couple of simple questions about a MV3400  > < > 1. Do I need to terminate the DSSI bus on the front panel?   Yes   8 > 2. If I don't terminate the DSSI bus, what can happen?  D Same as an unterminated SCSI bus - it may or may not work, depending/ on load, access patterns, phase of the moon ...   : > 3. If I absolutely need a terminator where do I get one?  > Try without and see what happens ... otherwise I have no idea! Perhaps one of the resellers?e   AntonioT --   ---------------0. Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org=   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 10:27:33 -04004 From: "Douglas Taylor" <taylor@crystal.nrl.navy.mil>! Subject: Re: DSSI bus terminationV* Message-ID: <8rfejn$4kk$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil>   > 9 >> 2. If I don't terminate the DSSI bus, what can happen?  > E >Same as an unterminated SCSI bus - it may or may not work, depending 0 >on load, access patterns, phase of the moon ... >     J I have 3 disks on the DSSI bus, RF30, RF71 and RF72, they all seem to work fineH but they make alot of noise.  Chattering mostly.  I think they were in a cluster in aG previous life, are the device names $1$DIA2 and the like 'normal' for a  stand -alone machine?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 07:27:43 GMT + From: "Gerke Grashuis" <g.grashuis@kpn.com>  Subject: Re: file fragmentation 8 Message-ID: <01c02dd4$955d4bd0$8d4c15ac@HKTGN9911301604>  I As with all DBMS's, from time to time you need to reorganize a Oracle DB. C Perform a full export of the DB with Oracle EXP, delete the old DB, H recreate it and import the previously created dump file with Oracle IMP.K So, this is not so much a disk defragmentation problem (although tools like E Diskeeper or PerfectDisk are always advisable) but more a internal DB  fragmentaton problem.s   Gerke.    6 Jim Dalsimer <dalsimer-md@home.com> schreef in artikel <39da9826.195739289@news>...H > We've got an Alpha running VMS (not sure what version, fairly recent).G > There's an Oracle database whose performance is slowly degrading.  MyO@ > system folks tell me the reason is that the database files areC > fragmented.  Do I believe them?  Is diskeeper a solution (will it F > defrag open files)?  I thought that Alpha VMS had a journalling fileC > system as opposed to Files-11.  Dump of one of the database files  > follows.  Any comments?A > @ > Dump of file $1$DKC1:[ORA.DB_BSCTM]DATA01.DBS;1 on  2-OCT-2000
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 >Jim Dalsimerg   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:00:09 GMT  From: jnchambless@my-deja.com, Subject: Re: file fragmentationt) Message-ID: <8rf647$n7j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G Indeed, you will need to defrag the Oracle DB.  You should also look at-> performing a backup/restore on the VMS volume as you have manyE retrieval pointers indicating file fragmentation.  I thas always been3? my understanding that more than 7 retrieval pointers required ae' backup/restore to maintain performance.   % In article <39da9826.195739289@news>,o,   dalsimer-md@home.com (Jim Dalsimer) wrote:H > We've got an Alpha running VMS (not sure what version, fairly recent).G > There's an Oracle database whose performance is slowly degrading.  Myn@ > system folks tell me the reason is that the database files areC > fragmented.  Do I believe them?  Is diskeeper a solution (will it F > defrag open files)?  I thought that Alpha VMS had a journalling fileC > system as opposed to Files-11.  Dump of one of the database files  > follows.  Any comments?L >m@ > Dump of file $1$DKC1:[ORA.DB_BSCTM]DATA01.DBS;1 on  2-OCT-2000
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 In articleF <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284850@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main,' Kerry" <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.com> writes:     > Ok, Ok ..  > 3 > Check out todays press announcements from Compaq: : > http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/pr2000100301.html  > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ >  > Feedback?   I      * Compaq OpenVMS Educational License Program &#151; available to all I        educational institutions around the world, it provides single user A        licenses for the OpenVMS operating system and many layered6?        products to an unlimited number of students, faculty and 5        administrators in each registered institution.o  H I know that this, as the old DECcampus, probably includes unlimited-user> licenses, but I can already hear the people saying "hey, on myG OP<whatever> box, several people can log in simultaneously; what's this H one-user VMS dinosaur stuff?".  Thus, the paragraph above is misleading.B It seems to me that it is talking about the base licenses.  If so, bravo! n  C I think Compaq really needs to target the educational market.  When C people hear I have a VMS machine at an academic institution, I hear C remarks such as "is that still legal?".  Many folks have fond, fond G memories of the time when DEC dominated academia.  However, even though H they are now senior staff (yes, it's been that long), it is difficult toD say to the IT peope that they want a VMS machine.  There needs to beF something like an official rebuttal page for all the excuses, startingD with license costs (which are a non-issue in academia) and includingD prominently how advanced VMS is and what the long-term commitment is (DoD etc). 0  I Sure, they might not make a profit there directly, but since most people  F don't stay in academia, these people will later buy VMS machines with * real money.  That's how unix grew so much.  G There are two more things which need to be addressed in this web-based  I world.  Compaq can simply not afford to have a version of Netscape which  E is significantly behind that on other platforms.  I might be able to 0G convince folks of the advantages of VMS over unix, but probably not of  E LYNX (my default browser) over Netscape---and graphical browsers ARE N needed for some things.o  G Another thing involves license costs.  Academia is a non-issue.  It is LC also a non-issue for a big company which spends much more on other tH things.  These guys realise they get what they pay for.  The problem is E that it is difficult for small, web-based companies to use VMS.  The jD hobbyist licenses cannot be used commercially.  These days, one can F start a company rather quickly.  In the old days, after having raised ? enough capital to build a factory, the cost of OS licenses was  H negligible in comparison.  Not any more.  Considering that one can pick B up used hardware quite cheap (many web-based applications are not D computation-time limited), the licenses can be the main part of the D investment.  Unlike a factory, it's not something one can resell if H things don't work out.  There is a VERY simple solution to this.  Allow H the hobbyist licenses to be used commercially until the company makes a D profit of 10 times what the licenses it needs cost.  If the company G doesn't make that much money, they are not going to be able to justify  H buying VMS licenses anyway, and will go to another OS (and inertia will F make it different to migrate back to VMS).  When they do start making H money, Compaq has license sales it would not have otherwise.  Everybody E wins.  Nobody loses.  Except other operating systems.  If there is a u8 reason why this cannot be done, I would like to know it.     --M Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nlSM Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.uk1M Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647aM Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100 M NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/R  5 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.s  N <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>  = Reward: one month of salary (yours or mine---take your pick)!i   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 03:01:25 -0400s/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)e0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS* Message-ID: <8rekk5$d3v$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <39DAC320.ECF2470D@videotron.ca>,/ JF Mezei  <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:7 >"Main, Kerry" wrote:k4 >> Check out todays press announcements from Compaq:; >> http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/pr2000100301.html ! >> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  > * >definitely a step in the right direction. >iH >What Compaq needs to do now, is do do what IBM did a few years ago. IBMV >announced that its internet business was the most important portions of its business. >rO >Compaq needs to advertsise that its VMS business is more important than its PCeJ >business. Not only will this generate some awareness that VMS is not onlyO >still alive, but still raking in the money. And more importantly, it will helpMN >emphasise the fact that Compaq is much more than a PC company and will shieldN >Compaq from all those suddend stock downturns whenever Intel announces it has% >sold one less chip than anticipated.   I Wouldn't that be wonderful?  I can't imagine that PC-centric buyers would K even notice very much if Compaq made such statements, I doubt that it would B hurt their Wintel Server sales, but it would mean wonders for VMS.  J Oh, I could see them saying Tru64/VMS/Tandem/Alpha are core.  That'd be OK with me... :-)   -Jordan Henderson- jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:38:02 +0010e% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aui0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS5 Message-ID: <01JUY8RA0IYA004YWH@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Oh, J-F,  J >business. Not only will this generate some awareness that VMS is not onlyO >still alive, but still raking in the money. And more importantly, it will help N >emphasise the fact that Compaq is much more than a PC company and will shieldN >Compaq from all those suddend stock downturns whenever Intel announces it has% >sold one less chip than anticipated.t  4 We know that Compaq **is** just a little PC company.  N It may have bought into a company called DEC, but I doubt that it understands  what it bought.     H Just a little PC thingie, and my sympathy is with our engineering crowd.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiau   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.:   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:36:05 GMT * From: "Nikita V. Belenki" <kit@nospam.net>0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <pKDC5.1644$Cn1.88561@sjc-read>9  6 "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.com> wrote in messageD news:910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284850@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com...    > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ > Feedback?t   * No shark logo (why not?) * No link to VMS 7.3 features0 * No link to Hobbyist program * * Broken links to eStore (access disabled)$ * AND NO BALLS FOR SALE AT eStore!!!   Kit. kit # kits.net   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 09:44:48 -05001, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)0 Subject: RE: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <n9JPal8NOIaO@eisner.decus.org>C  x In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284850@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>, "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.com> writes:3 > Check out todays press announcements from Compaq: : > http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/pr2000100301.html  > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ >   H Its about time a final Java 2 shipped, but I wonder what the differencesA are from the beta I've been running.  Requires the same patches It
 already have.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group2E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying9   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 09:43:01 -0700u1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)u0 Subject: RE: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS, Message-ID: <UrjGlZVselPH@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  K In article <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284850@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>,  1     "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.com> writes:  > Ok, Ok ..  > 3 > Check out todays press announcements from Compaq:9: > http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/pr2000100301.html  > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ >  > Feedback?h >   I    Under the "OpenVMS education license program" it says "provides single@H user licenses for the OpenVMS operating system and many layered productsE to an unlimited number of students, faculty and administrators". WhatuE does "single user licenses mean in this context? Does each individuallG have to apply separately for a single user license? Wouldn't "unlimited H user licences to students, facultyh and administrators" make more sense?  G    What does Advanced Server 7.3 offer that wasn't in earlier versions?A  F    Are client licenses for Advanced Server included in the educational license program?  M ============================================================================= M Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.caiH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:45:56 +0200> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>* Subject: getting group name from UIC value. Message-ID: <8reu4b$a89$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>   Bonjour  tous  E I need to check the group name of the current user within SYLOGIN.COM A The group may not be named, but in this case, I can use something  of the form GROUP_12345 .    Just beginning with ...s   $ NAMED_UIC = f$user(), $ if f$element(0,",NAMED_UIC).eqs.NAMED_UIC) $   then  $   NAME = NAMED_UIC - "[" - "]". $   UIC = f$identifier (NAME,"NAME_TO_NUMBER") $   GROUP = ?????? $   MEMBER = ??????c $ endif   : How should I extract group and member from the uic value ?   Cordialement Jean-Franois Marchala   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:33:38 GMTe+ From: "Gerke Grashuis" <g.grashuis@kpn.com> . Subject: Re: getting group name from UIC value8 Message-ID: <01c02dee$8ea8fe00$8d4c15ac@HKTGN9911301604>  @ Have a look at the f$context lexical (more specific the argument "selection_item")E1 Item GRP and MEM give you the needed information.5   Gerke.  I Jean-Franois Marchal <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> schreef in artikel % <8reu4b$a89$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>...a > Bonjour  tous > G > I need to check the group name of the current user within SYLOGIN.COM C > The group may not be named, but in this case, I can use something  > of the form GROUP_12345 .i >  > Just beginning with ...a >  > $ NAMED_UIC = f$user(). > $ if f$element(0,",NAMED_UIC).eqs.NAMED_UIC)
 > $   then" > $   NAME = NAMED_UIC - "[" - "]"0 > $   UIC = f$identifier (NAME,"NAME_TO_NUMBER") > $   GROUP = ?????? > $   MEMBER = ?????? 	 > $ endif  > < > How should I extract group and member from the uic value ? >  > Cordialement > Jean-Franois Marchal  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:56:41 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>6. Subject: Re: getting group name from UIC value) Message-ID: <39DB0CE9.81BD078C@bbc.co.uk>n   "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote:   > Bonjour  tous >rG > I need to check the group name of the current user within SYLOGIN.COMiC > The group may not be named, but in this case, I can use somethinga > of the form GROUP_12345 .  >n > Just beginning with ...p >t > $ NAMED_UIC = f$user(). > $ if f$element(0,",NAMED_UIC).eqs.NAMED_UIC)
 > $   then" > $   NAME = NAMED_UIC - "[" - "]"0 > $   UIC = f$identifier (NAME,"NAME_TO_NUMBER") > $   GROUP = ?????? > $   MEMBER = ??????5	 > $ endifN > < > How should I extract group and member from the uic value ?  C JF, isn't F$GETJPI("ACCOUNT") a better way to get the account name? ( Thats the same as group name in my book.   Regards  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:45:29 +0200> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>. Subject: Re: getting group name from UIC value. Message-ID: <8rf8kv$glg$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  3 I'm not sure how to use a context in this context ! 0 but I should consider reading the doc for it ...  4 f$getjpi obsiouly gives me UIC (named), GRP and MEM, I was not awake...  
 Jean-Franois3    6 "Gerke Grashuis" <g.grashuis@kpn.com> wrote in message2 news:01c02dee$8ea8fe00$8d4c15ac@HKTGN9911301604...B > Have a look at the f$context lexical (more specific the argument > "selection_item") 3 > Item GRP and MEM give you the needed information.  >4 > Gerke. > K > Jean-Franois Marchal <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> schreef in artikelL' > <8reu4b$a89$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>...7 > > Bonjour  tous > > I > > I need to check the group name of the current user within SYLOGIN.COM1E > > The group may not be named, but in this case, I can use something1 > > of the form GROUP_12345 .1 > >  > > Just beginning with ...  > >n > > $ NAMED_UIC = f$user()0 > > $ if f$element(0,",NAMED_UIC).eqs.NAMED_UIC) > > $   then$ > > $   NAME = NAMED_UIC - "[" - "]"2 > > $   UIC = f$identifier (NAME,"NAME_TO_NUMBER") > > $   GROUP = ?????? > > $   MEMBER = ??????N > > $ endif  > > > > > How should I extract group and member from the uic value ? > >  > > Cordialement > > Jean-Franois Marchal  > >5 > >  > >L > >    ------------------------------   Date: 4 OCT 2000 14:43:03 GMT + From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> . Subject: Re: getting group name from UIC value1 Message-ID: <4OCT00.14430394@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>5  . Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >    >     > "Jean-Franois Marchal" wrote: >  0 > > Bonjour  tous > > I > > I need to check the group name of the current user within SYLOGIN.COM1E > > The group may not be named, but in this case, I can use somethingo > > of the form GROUP_12345 .1 > >6 > > Just beginning with ...  > >  > > $ NAMED_UIC = f$user()0 > > $ if f$element(0,",NAMED_UIC).eqs.NAMED_UIC) > > $   then$ > > $   NAME = NAMED_UIC - "[" - "]"2 > > $   UIC = f$identifier (NAME,"NAME_TO_NUMBER") > > $   GROUP = ?????? > > $   MEMBER = ??????  > > $ endif  > >0> > > How should I extract group and member from the uic value ? >   E > JF, isn't F$GETJPI("ACCOUNT") a better way to get the account name?w* > Thats the same as group name in my book.  C The account name isn't necessarily the same as the group name.  Eg:O   $ mc authorize UAF> show greenwooddeM  A Username: GREENWOODDE                      Owner:  Greenwood, D E P Account:  GRE00000                         UIC:    [220,201] ([USC,GREENWOODDE]) [snip]  ) $ write sys$output f$getjpi("","account")i GRE00000   $ write sys$output -F   f$identifier( f$getjpi("","grp")*%x10000+%o177777, "number_to_name") USCc  I IIRC, when an account is created if no identifier for the specified grouptC exists then one is created using the account name and given a value K corresponding to [group_number,177777].  But you can create accounts within E the same group with different account names, change account names w/o(K changing the group names and change group names w/o changing account names.-   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:08:57 -040046 From: "Dominic Olivastro" <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> Subject: Help on ots$Move3& Message-ID: <nfPA5.78$Z73.1110@client>  C I am use to using lib$Movc3, but I now need to use ots$Move3.  I am0K surprised to find that the documentation says "Return Condition: None", andm< in fact the function returns 0 when it is obviously working.  I How do I check to see everything went ok?  Or is this just a LIB$ concern  that I have?   Dom    --# -----------------------------------e Dominic Olivastro  CHI Research, Inc. 10 White Horse Piket Haddon Heights, NJ 08035  * Please note that the area code has changed  ( email: mailto:DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com! web:   http://www.ChiResearch.comu fax:   (856) 546-9633e$ voice: (856) 546-0600 (extension 24)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:28:23 -0400S, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com> Subject: Re: Help on ots$Move38 Message-ID: <buimtss7lra839t8hb551na44gvl68s77i@4ax.com>  7 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:08:57 -0400, "Dominic Olivastro" # <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> wrote:V  D >I am use to using lib$Movc3, but I now need to use ots$Move3.  I amL >surprised to find that the documentation says "Return Condition: None", and= >in fact the function returns 0 when it is obviously working.t > J >How do I check to see everything went ok?  Or is this just a LIB$ concern
 >that I have?c  D I wrote OTS$MOVE3, and, as documented, it operates just as the MOVC3D instruction would if it accepted 32-bit lengths.  If you use the JSBF entry point, it leaves registers R0-R5 as they would be after a MOVC3.E If you use the CALL entry point, then indeed, R0 is zero, as it wouldf be after MOVC3.,  ? The only thing that can "go wrong" is an access violation.  The < routine has no provision for returning any sort of "status".  - Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)d Fortran Engineeringh& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:03:08 -0400f6 From: "Dominic Olivastro" <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com>& Subject: Help on Sort /Process=Address% Message-ID: <lCqA5.40$mg2.575@client>   L For various reasons, I often do a Sort /Process=Address.  I am curious aboutL the output file, sometimes called an RFA (Record File Address?) file.  I canH pass the RFA to a system routine in order to read the original file, butI what exactly is the format here?  I know it is 7-bytes long, and the lastSI byte is a zero-based number indicating the file the record is from (eg, 0aJ means the first file in the sort, 1 means the second file in the sort, and so on).p  I How do I interpret the first 6 bytes?  Is it something like a 6-byte words  (if so, why not an 8 byte word)?  L And what is meaning of the number?   Is it the position of the first byte in7 the record (if so, why not the position of the record)?m   Domt     --# -----------------------------------  Dominic Olivastroa CHI Research, Inc. 10 White Horse Piker Haddon Heights, NJ 08035  * Please note that the area code has changed  ( email: mailto:DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com! web:   http://www.ChiResearch.come fax:   (856) 546-9633 $ voice: (856) 546-0600 (extension 24)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:29:10 GMTw From: tgreenwood@my-deja.com* Subject: help with MACRO compiler warnings) Message-ID: <8repoi$ema$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n   Hi  F A while ago I started a thread about this and now it has been resolvedE I thought I'd thank everyone for their help (unfortunately Deja won'te6 let me reply to the original message for some reason).  E It turned out that there was a compiler warning in the object libraryaE of the application that we were linking to, and once the vendor fixed.A the cause of the warning and recompiled it the problem went away..  " Thanks again for the hints people!   Cheers Tony.    -- Tony Greenwood Logabex Ltd. Rowlands Castle, UK     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy..   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:15:31 -0400% From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com>l' Subject: Hobbyist Alpha System for $679>/ Message-ID: <stmaha2il9mm5a@corp.supernews.com>t  B As you are probably aware, we purchased a large qty of DEC PC164LX motherboards with 533mHz cpu's  A We are putting them into NEW AXXION cases (the preferred DEC box)v9 These come configured in a base configuration as follows:    PC164LX with 2mb on board cachee 533Mhz CPU 21164 2 Serial Ports 1 parallelr 2 IDE COntrollersa 4 PCI Slotso 4 memory Slots (168pin)  SRM loaded for VMS 7.2-1# AXXION  Case with 400W Power supplyr
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 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete thiso message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copyinge of this message is prohibited.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:34:17 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>c' Subject: Re: how long should DIFF take?s+ Message-ID: <39DB31D9.8D722716@hsc.vcu.edu>i  * backup/compare.... now THAT's an idea!!!!!   hhmm..  hey, thanks..g   jim      John Santos wrote: > ' > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Jim Agnew wrote:r >  > > hhmm.. depends...  if the files are different, diff uses virtual memory to store the differences before writing to disk, so when- > > that happens, it really barf'in crawls...m > >p > > up your virtual memory for that setup, and it should go faster.  i'm using it on binary files > 200,000 lines, and it goes pretty- > > quickly if they are the same, i think oh, 10 mins max.  now, if they are different, and the differences are going into vm, i've seen; > > HOURS... up the vm and that gets considerably shorter..O > >S > > i'd like to see a higher-performace diff, writing the diffs to disk instead of vm.  even if i spec it /out=nla0:, the diffs are0n > > stored ... no, i don't think i've tested this, but it's worth a try on my part!!!!, as well as your part.. > >tn > > also, if the files are fortran relative organization, fixed length records, performance goes waaayy down.. > >  > > JimF > >L > > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > > >nM > > > For two 3750-block text files, 60,000 lines, how long should DIFF take?  > > >@C > > > Would it make sense to have a high-performance DIFF, like thei" > > > high-performance SORT/MERGE? > F > I think it is NOT that the differences are store in VM, but that theD > POTENTIAL differences are stored in VM.  I think when diff finds aC > difference, it starts reading records alternately from each inputmB > file and then searches all the records it has read so far (sinceC > the 1st different record) looking for a match.  If it matches (orhA > if n consecutive records match for /match=n), it writes out thetD > records from the 1st different record through the pair of matching@ > records as a "difference", resets the other file to the record? > after the matching record, and looks for the next difference.yD > If it doesn't find a matching record among the stored records fromE > the other file, it stores the new record as a potentially different-@ > record from the 1st file, reads the next record from the other! > file, and attempts to match it.: > C > As long as it doesn't find a match, it makes a pair of constantlylE > growing arrays of records, which 1) eats up VM, and 2) takes longer4; > and longer to search as the arrays get bigger and bigger.r > F > If for example, to text files are identical except one has 100 linesB > inserted in the middle of it, DIFF will end up storing 200 linesE > (100 from each file) before if discovers where they match up again,nL > resulting in twice as much memory use than merely storing the differences. > G > Also, this memory is used to determine where the diffences end, whichoI > DIFF must do *before* it writes anything to the output file.  Thereforem+ > redirecting the output to NL: won't help.a > @ > It works this way because when it first encounters a differentE > record, it doesn't (and can't) know if this represents an insertionsC > in the 1st file, an insertion in the second file, a deletion fromeA > one of the files, or a bunch of truly different records amongstt > others that are identical. > B > I can imagine several methods of speeding this up, but none thatF > would be faster than the current method for files that are identical > or almost identical. > G > For example, it could hash each record in the array (after converting-G > it appropriately for the /IGNORE= options) to a byte and then compare F > the hash values instead of the records themselves.  This would speedB > up the search when the array was big at the expense of more timeE > spent loading the array and a little extra storage overhead.  Also,rA > I don't know if it stores the diffence records as read from theiA > input file or after massaging them into comparison form.  (I.E.g@ > compressing white-space for /ignore=spacing, and up-casing for7 > /ignore=case).  Maybe some gains could be made there." > F > For a binary compare, to determine if the files are truly identical,F > and not to try matching up differences, I think BACKUP/COMPARE wouldA > be much faster than DIFF.  Won't work across a network, though.- >  > --
 > John Santos- > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:45:43 +0100 & From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>' Subject: Re: how long should DIFF take?c* Message-ID: <39DB50A7.CEE90A9B@Compaq.com>   Jim Agnew wrote:  , > backup/compare.... now THAT's an idea!!!!! >  > hhmm..  hey, thanks..   R $ differ/max=1  will very probably be just as fast and will also work over DECnet.  	 Roy Omonda Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)u   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:34:32 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>' Subject: Re: how long should DIFF take?.) Message-ID: <8rfim7$22c$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  . In article <8r1nq4$fsl$1@info.service.rug.nl>,   helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote:C > For two 3750-block text files, 60,000 lines, how long should DIFF  take?  > ? > Would it make sense to have a high-performance DIFF, like thea > high-performance SORT/MERGE?  D What is the exact command you are using? DIFF runs slower if you useF /IGNORE=(S [and maybe other options]). So don't use /IGNORE unless you really need it.m  @ I actually just tried this with two 2539 block PASCAL .LIS filesE generated from identical source and using /IGNORE=S made it go *much*l slower.   E I'm not sure which options slow it down under which conditions, but Is? recommend to "/IGNORE" as little as possible for maximum speed.    -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)  dellnet.comb    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:16:36 -0400"# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>E' Subject: Re: how long should DIFF take? + Message-ID: <39DB65F4.680021BF@hsc.vcu.edu>   , hhmm.. no need to change my com file then...   Roy Omond wrote: >  > Jim Agnew wrote: > . > > backup/compare.... now THAT's an idea!!!!! > >u > > hhmm..  hey, thanks..d > T > $ differ/max=1  will very probably be just as fast and will also work over DECnet. >  > Roy Omond, > Blue Bubble Ltd./ > (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:01:13 +0200e From: michele@bourgeat.fr-. Subject: I didn't think it would work either!!B Message-ID: <OFFCA671AE.D9C28ECA-ONC125696E.00318CE0@panasonic.cz>  6 As simple as it sounds, THIS WORKS. And there is HUGE 4 money in it!   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If yous1 are a fellow business owner and are in financial $2 trouble like I was, or your want to start your own) business, consider this a sigh. I DID!!! i   Sincerely, y   Jonathan Rourke   5 A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:    2 By the time you have read the enclosed program and7 reports, you should have concluded that such a program,t3 and one that is legal, could not have been created  5 by an amateur. Let me tell you a little about myself,t2 I had a profitable business for 10 years. Then in 3 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing theo3 same things that were previously successful for me,o2 but it wasn't working. Finally, I figured it out. 0 It wasn't me, it was the economy. Inflation and / recession had replaced the stable economy that u had been with us since 1945. d  . I don't have to tell you what happened to the / unemployment rate because many of you know fromr0 first hand experience. There were more failures . and bankruptcies than ever before. The middle . class was vanishing. Those who know what they / were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those h3 who did not, including those who never had anythings2 to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks
 of the poor. r  0 As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE2 POOR GET POORER. The traditional methods of making0 money will never allow you to "move up" or "get # rich", inflation will see to that.    1 You have just received information that can give ?0 you financial freedom for the rest of you life, 2 with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." / You can make more money in the next few months -0 than you have ever imagined. I should also point/ out that I will not see a penny of this money, e/ nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial i for this program.   . I have retired from the program after sending , thousands and thousands of programs. Follow 0 the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change/ it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it n is now.   2 Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report 0 to everyone you can think of. One of the people + you send this to may send out 50,000... and ( your name will be on every one of them!   1 Remember though, the more you send out, the more e2 potential customers you will reach. So my friend, 3 I have given you the ideas, information, materials n3 and opportunity to become financially independent. w   $$$IT WORKS!!!$$$   ) HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKEg! YOU THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS$$$$!!!!    1 This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% s1 EVERY TIME. As with all multi-level business, we n2 build our business by recruiting new partners and 3 selling our products. Every state in the USA allows-2 you to recruit new multi-level business partners, 2 and we sell and deliver a product for EVERY dollar
 received.   3 YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, c3 so you are not involved in personal selling. You dog0 it privately in your own home, store or office. 0 This is the EASIEST marketing plan anywhere! It # is simply order filling by e-mail! n  / The product is informational and instructional 61 material. Keys to the secrets for everyone on howe4 to open the doors to the magic world of E-COMMERCE, 3 the information highway, the wave of the future!!! 1   PLAN SUMMARY:   : 1.You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each) They come to you by e-mail    ; 2.Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name afters( Report #1 and move the other names down.  8 3.Via the internet, access Yahoo.com or any of the other6 major search engines to locate hundreds of bulk e-mail9 service companies (search for "Bulk e-mail" and have themt& send 25,000 - 50,000 e-mails for you.)  < 4.Orders will come to you by postal mail- simply e-mail them the Report they ordered. 1  6 Let me ask you - isn't this about as easy as it gets?   7 By the way there are over 100 MILLION e-mail addresses  5 with millions more joining the internet each year so o1 don't worry about "running out" or "saturation".  / People are used to seeing and hearing the same u4 advertisements every day on radio/TV. How many times6 have you received the same pizza flyers on your door? 9 Then one day you are hungry for pizza and you order one. p7 Same thing with this letter I received this letter many16 times - then one day I decided it was time to try it.   0 YOU CAN START TODAY - JUST DO THESE EASY STEPS:     STEP #1. ORDER THE FOUR REPORTS   : Order the four reports shown on the list below (you can't 7 sell them if you don't order them). - For each report, e9 send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE d5 ORDERING YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN e8 ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name ( appears on the list next to the report.   ( MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR' ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS!    4 Within a few days you will receive, by e-mail, each 3 of the four reports. Save them on your computer so a4 you can send them to the 1,000's of people who will  order them from you. D  1 STEP #2. ADD YOUR MAILING ADDRESS TO THIS LETTER w  2 a.Look below for the listing of the four reports. < b.After you've ordered the four reports, delete the name and0 address under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the cycle. s3 c.Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down tot REPORT #4. s3 d.Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down tom REPORT #3. p3 e.Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to  REPORT #2. u6 f.Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.   6 Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name  and address, ACCURATELY! f  8 STEP #3. Take this entire letter, including the modified5 list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO .8 changes to these instructions. Now you are ready to use 3 this entire e-mail to send by e-mail to prospects. c  4 Report #1 will tell you how to download bulk e-mail 5 software and e-mail addresses so you can send it out a6 to thousands of people while you sleep! Remember that 9 50,000+ new people are joining the internet every month. s  7 Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing 3 (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already o? have a computer and an Internet connection and e-mail is FREE!    9 There are two primary methods of building your downline: k   METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL /  5 Let's say that you decide to start small, just to sees8 how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved7 e-mail out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume a8 that the mailing receives a 0.5% response. The response 7 could be much better. Also, many people will e-mail oute3 hundreds of thousands of programs instead of 2,000 f8 (Why stop at 2,000?). But continuing with this example, 8 you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, 6 that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people 7 respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total  6 of 20,000.  Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and 7 order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each  for a total of 200,000.   9 The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3.  8 Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,0006 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders for 3 REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! n6 Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 +$5,00$ + $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!!   8 REMEMBER, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000 PEOPLE5 YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THISl6 PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT THAT WOULD HAPPEN . IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000 t  5 Believe me, many people will do just that, and more!    - METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET l  7 Advertising on the internet is very, very inexpensive, d: and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's < say you decide to start small just to see how well it works.; Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to participate onn3 your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads on theo- Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) t  8 Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets5 ONLY 10 downline members. Look how this small number  5 accumulates to achieve the STAGGERING results below: g  5 1st level: your first 10 send you $5.............$50    = 2nd level: 10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)..........$500 c  > 3rd level: 10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)......$5,000   A 4th level: 10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000).....$50,000 G  : $$$$$$$$$$$$THIS TOTALS------------$55,550 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$   9 AMAZING ISN'T IT? Remember, this assumes that the people e9 who participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a  > moment what would happen if they got 20 people to participate!< Most people get 100's of participants and many will continue: to work this program, sending out programs WITH YOUR NAME # ON THEM for years! THINK ABOUT IT! h    9 People are going to get e-mails about this plan from you e3 or somebody else and many will work this plan- the  4 question is - Don't you want your name to be on the  e-mails they send out? t  . ***DON'T MISS OUT!!!***JUST TRY IT ONCE!!!***   0 ***SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!!***YOU'LL BE AMAZED!!!***   / ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS!    7 This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with -7 YOUR name and address on it will be prompt because they5/ can't advertise until they receive the report! >  + GET STARTED TODAY: PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THEs FOUR REPORTS NOW.   4 Notes: ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH  REPORT. CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED.    0 Enclose the $5 with a sheet of paper including:   4 a.the number & name of the report you are ordering.  b.Your e-mail address, e c.Your name & postal address.   H REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the Internet"    ORDER REPORT #1 FROM     Robin Richardson a   136 Roadrunner o   Ponca City, OK 74604    8 REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet"    ORDER REPORT #2 FROM c   Ryan Doyle e   3327 Boyce Ln. r   San Diego, CA 92105   5 REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the 
 Internet"    ORDER REPORT #3 FROM     Max Glinskye 3532 Governor Dr.  University City, CA 92122   : REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power* of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet"    ORDER REPORT #4 FROM R  
 Randy Catlettl 817 W. Iola Pl.  Broken Arrow, OK 74012 w  5 *************TIPS FOR SUCCESS*********************** t  6 TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, 3 and follow the directions accurately. Send for the h4 four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when 5 the orders start coming in, because: When you receiveM< a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report. 8 It is required for this to be a legal business and they : need the reports to send out their letters (with your name
 on them!)   : ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.> Be patient and persistent with this program- If you follow the0 instructions exactly - results WILL FOLLOW.$$$$   2 ***********YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES***************   3 Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success" e4 If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within A two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do.  : Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at least  100 orders for REPORT #2 -  5 If you don't continue advertising or sending e-mails  7 until you do. Once you have received 100 or more ordersu4 for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is @ already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in!   4 THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: Every time your name 3 is moved down on the list, you are placed in front n2 of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your @ PROGRESS by watching which report people are ordering from you.   2 To generate more income, simply send another batch7 of e-mails or continue placing ads and start the whole n8 process again! There is no limit to the income you will  generate from this business! t  7 Before you make your decision as to whether or not you  9 participate in this program. Please answer one question. m< ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOUR PRESENT INCOME OR JOB? If the answer: is no, then please look at the following facts about this  super simple MLM program:   8 1.NO face to face selling, NO meetings, NO inventory, NO; Telephone calls, NO big cost to start, Nothing to learn, NO 5 skills needed! (Surely you know how to send e-mail?) o7 2.NO equipment to buy - you already have a computer andl8 internet connection - so you have everything you need to
 fill orders! o/ 3.You are selling a product which does NOT COSTn. ANYTHING TO PRODUCE OR SHIP! (e-mailing copies of the reports is FREE!) i: 4.All of your customers pay you in CA$H! This program will5 change your LIFE FOREVER!!! Look at the potential foru9 you to be able to work a super-high paying leisurely easy$ business from home!   / $$$$$$FINALLY MAKE SOME DREAMS COME TRUE!$$$$$ G  < ACT NOW! Take your first step toward making some extra cash,; or even achieving financial independence. Order the reportsHC and follow the program outlined above-SUCCESS will be your reward.     See you at the top.   8 PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, 7 registering a business name, learning how income tax isT6 handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small 9 Business Administration (a Federal Agency) 1-800-827-5722e( for free help and answers to questions.   4 Also, the Internal Revenue Service offers free help 3 via telephone and free seminars about business tax G8 requirements. Your earnings are highly dependent on your9 activities and advertising. The information contained on I< this site and in the report constitutes no guarantees stated: nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this 9 site or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that s; guarantee is now void. The earnings amounts listed on this w; site and in the report are estimates only. If you have any a7 questions of the legality of this program, contact the h6 Office of Associate Director for Marketing Practices, 7 Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protectionr in Washington, DC. b  < Under Bill s.1618 TITLE 111 passed by the 105th US Congress,5 this letter cannot be considered spam as long as the s= sender includes contact information and a method of removal. a  7 This is a one time e-mail transmission. No request for f removal is necessary.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 03:18:23 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: Logical Tableso4 Message-ID: <1001004031421.338A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  * On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Nivlesh Chandra wrote:  J > There is this user whose account is giving some probs. There is a scriptN > that is run that is supposed to change the SYS$PRINT logical to point to theL > users local printer but this is not happening. I do not want to modify theL > script since this might cause some errors... is there anyway whereby I can< > check the logicals of a user from a priviledged account??? >  > NivE  & If you have enough privileges, you can  0 $ show logical/table=*/all/full/out=logicals.txt  < and search it.  If you know the process id and/or the user's8 group, you can narrow the search a lot by specifying the specific table names.c  9 This should tell you if sys$print got mis-defined, but itv: won't help if it didn't get defined at all.  In that case,; you will have to put some debugging code in the DCL command : file, such as writing f$trnlnm("sys$print") to a log file.   --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 09:09:00 -0500  From: briggs@eisner.decus.orga Subject: Re: Logical Tablesr+ Message-ID: <I98tYoooNOke@eisner.decus.org>   W In article <1001004031421.338A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: , > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Nivlesh Chandra wrote: > K >> There is this user whose account is giving some probs. There is a scripttO >> that is run that is supposed to change the SYS$PRINT logical to point to theyM >> users local printer but this is not happening. I do not want to modify theoM >> script since this might cause some errors... is there anyway whereby I canw= >> check the logicals of a user from a priviledged account???y >> a >> Niv > ( > If you have enough privileges, you can > 2 > $ show logical/table=*/all/full/out=logicals.txt  D This will check all shareable tables but it won't reach into processF private tables, e.g. LNM$PROCESS_TABLE and LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY whichF reside in process private address space.  To reach into those you need higher powered tools.e  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:41:41 +0100* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Logical Tableso, Message-ID: <8rf8i7$152u@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  P <briggs@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message news:I98tYoooNOke@eisner.decus.org...B > In article <1001004031421.338A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos  F > This will check all shareable tables but it won't reach into processH > private tables, e.g. LNM$PROCESS_TABLE and LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY whichH > reside in process private address space.  To reach into those you need > higher powered tools.v  8 CLUE PROCESS/LOGICALS in SDA will get the process table.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 00:19 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)e+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!O, Message-ID: <4OCT200000193587@gerg.tamu.edu>   bill@cs.uofs.edu writes...5 }I have a VAX 4000-100 running OVMS 7.1 and Multinet.aB }I shut it down yesterday to add a card to the QBUS expansion box.I }When it started coming back up I started getting a long list of messages I }about "license termination".  No problem I thought. It's license renewaluD }time (even though the PAKs all say they don't expire until 30 Oct.)G }Oh yeah, while it did come up, XDM refused to start making the machineo. }not reachable from our PC X-Windows software. } G }So I went to the University's Computer Center and got the new PAKs (we E }are under CSLG) and editted out the stuff I don;t use and ran it.  AlE }"SHOW LICENSE" lists everything as good till 2001.  However, anotherrD }reboot results in the same termination messages and XDM still fails@ }after printing a message saying it was giving up after 50 trys. } D }So, there was no change in sotware prior to the first appearance of@ }this problem and the only change after was to add new licenses. } D }Can anyone point me in the right direction??  The best hope here isD }currently out in LA and the other VMS analyst was not able to point, }me at anything that might have caused this. } C }Why is it that this stuff happens just when I start getting peoplel1 }here intersted in actually using the VAX again??  }  }billn  ! I'll go for the obvious question:s  G Does SHOW TIME indicate that the system thinks it is the correcet date?a   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:06:55 +0100 , From: Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com>/ Subject: Memo:  Date Difference from within DCL ? Message-ID: <8025696E.005879C1.00@emea-smtp-03.systems.uk.hsbc>I   Frank,  D I have a Macro program that takes two absolute times and returns theC difference in seconds as a symbol- a bit more than asked for but ift) you (or anyone) wants a copy let me know.o   Paul      D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseeB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.i  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure oreA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,i>  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of ?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.   eD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office f=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly  A  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so r3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.   D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:20:58 -0500(/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 1 Subject: MicroVAX 3100 20e and ST15230N weirdnessBO Message-ID: <87D5766296506F89.2AB32CA9F86262BB.AD25B7FF6C29537E@lp.airnews.net>e  H OK, I know that this is old hardware and totally unsupported, but it has@ me baffled and I was wondering if anyone had any insight on this problem.  H I added a pair of ST15230N (firmware 0638) drives to a MicroVAX 3100 20eG (with the V1.60 SCSI controller).  The machine correctly identifies the H drives and they spin up.  Everything works fine until VMS 5.5-2 tries toG mount the drives, at which point I get the infamous "fatal drive error"t message.  H OK, VMS 5.5-2 wants the ARRE, AWRE, and RC bits clear.  Here is where it
 gets strange.s  G My other machines (PC and Alpha) see the bits as clear, but on the VAX,eG byte 2 of mode page 1 is always C0, i.e., ARRE and AWRE set.  No matter @ what I set this byte to, the VAX aways sees it as CO.  The otherC machines see it as whatever it was programmed to.  (I tried severala different values.)  F Is there a firmware problem with this drive that could cause this?  Is? there a problem with VAX's self test which could set these bitsrE non-volatilely?  Trying another Seagate drive (ST11910N) in this sameM$ configuration presented no problems.   Thanx!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:51:23 GMTr1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>h$ Subject: Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions1 Message-ID: <39DB376E.8880BAF@clarityconnect.com>c  @ By default BACKUP will send an OPCOM request even on interactiveF sessions.  If you want to answer BACKUP questions at the terminal fromG which the BACKUP command was issued then add a /NOASSIST to your BACKUP < command.  Otherwise login from another source, REPLY/ENABLE,C REPLAY/STATUS and find your request from BACKUP, REPLY/TO=nnn "yourg answer" and then REPLY/DISABLE   Ram Rajadhyaksha wrote:t > H > > My suggestion would be to explicitly use /REWIND on the first BACKUP
 > command;L > > otherwise, it will read the tape and skip over any existing files to the > > current end-of-tape. > @ > Hmmm. I'm a bit confused. I ran a backup, something like this: > A > BACKUP/LOG/LABEL=BLAH DKA100:[000000...]*.*;* MKA700:BACKUP.SAV  > N > Unfortunately the backup spanned more than one tape. The system console cameN > up with an "OPCOM" message asking me if I wanted to QUIT, OVERWRITE, or NEW.N > However, it didn't give me any facility to type in a response!! I eventually@ > just Ctrl-C out of the process and basically hosed the backup. > N > What magic do I need to do to respond to the console? I tried REPLY/TO= with- > the ID of the request but that didn't work.5 > 
 > Regards, >  > -- > Ram Rajadhyaksha > DLZ CorporationP > www.dlzcorp.comL   -- OD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:57:51 +0107 (CEST)/ From: Tomasz Dryjanski <tdryjanski@hotmail.com>S& Subject: Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.25 Message-ID: <F264UrZUzv8KudyJNgG00003f20@hotmail.com>k  A Finally I migrated the system, although I have had some problems.r Thank you for all answers!   T. D.aI _________________________________________________________________________hI Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.h  D Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at  http://profiles.msn.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:53:28 -04001- From: Joseph Pomeroy <JPOMEROY@holycross.edu>e5 Subject: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?e/ Message-ID: <s9dafe1b.077@dudley.holycross.edu>.  
 Greetings:  C   I realize it is VERY early to expect a complete plan and set of =S information, but I'll ask anyway.  C   The newly announced plan seems VERY nice for us. Could help a lot G especially for  users of single programs (as in the one user of the C =o
 compiler).  C   I would appreciate  any ideas on two products: OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER F and VMSCLUSTER.  What sort of license can I get for these? They do not! lend themselves to 'single-user'.u     Any thoughts appreciated.b   Joe Pomeroy, S.J.l VMS SYS MGRa Holy Cross College Worcester, Mass. jpomeroy@holycross.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 16:09:32 GMTC2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)9 Subject: Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses? , Message-ID: <8rfkns$s5g@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  _ In article <s9dafe1b.077@dudley.holycross.edu>, Joseph Pomeroy <JPOMEROY@holycross.edu> writes:yD >  I would appreciate  any ideas on two products: OPENVMS-ALPHA-USERG >and VMSCLUSTER.  What sort of license can I get for these? They do notC" >lend themselves to 'single-user'. >n  V    http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness_without_compromise/educational_license.html  L The new program is about 75% of the way "there".  The 5 problems I've found  so far are:d   1.  Single user licenses.   F         They can't be serious.  If they are, then they're simply nuts.K         This one factor alone will stop almost all potential users in theirt         tracks.m   2.  SMP support?  I         Hobbyist has none, but academics often have SMP machines.  Highly,J         likely that students will pick these up as hand me downs, but withK         this license they (probably) can't run VMS on them, or have to pullyG         out a CPU.  And the original owners are in the same boat unlessP?         they buy the full price VMS licenses with the hardware.#  J         Not very good advertising to have students saying "I got this coolJ         SMP Alpha box from the chemistry group, but the stupid VMS licenseI         wouldn't let me use  both CPUs, so now I'm running netBSD on it."d   3.  Media?    E         No source of media is provided.  Presumably they figured that F         these folks would still buy the ESL.  But that's mucho dinero.E         Far better to make the SDK available for $30 from the eSTORE,dK         better still to make CDROM disk images available for FTP download - L         and we'll burn our own as needed.  (That's what I do now for Linux).   4.  Support?  I         No source of support was mentioned, not even links to comp.os.vms$         or "ask the wizard."  0 5.  Obtaining hardware?  Hardware compatibility?  K         Only the cognescenti know where to get VMS compatible hardware.  InwF         this instance the new license enables a purchase of the Linux J         variants and a later load of the VMS base and other licenses.  ButH         nowhere does it say that this is possible (and it's the biggest K         selling point of the program!)  Moreover, you have to be careful toCI         get VMS compatible components, especially graphics cards and scsilI         controllers.  Where are the links to "educational specials - VMS mF         ready"?  Where's the list of systems that will run with these          licenses.E  G For comparison, Linux beats this VMS program on all 5 points, and even mN Solaris is better on everything but #3.  (The academic Solaris program, which G provides media, runs $68/year per user split across all campus users.) tK Compaq should at least strive for parity if they want to capture new heartsr and minds. t   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edug? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech N   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:48:38 +0100c- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>.9 Subject: Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?e( Message-ID: <39DB5F66.BF9B720@bbc.co.uk>   David Mathog wrote:n  a > In article <s9dafe1b.077@dudley.holycross.edu>, Joseph Pomeroy <JPOMEROY@holycross.edu> writes:nF > >  I would appreciate  any ideas on two products: OPENVMS-ALPHA-USERI > >and VMSCLUSTER.  What sort of license can I get for these? They do not $ > >lend themselves to 'single-user'. > >i >RX >    http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness_without_compromise/educational_license.html >!M > The new program is about 75% of the way "there".  The 5 problems I've founde
 > so far are:e >f > 1.  Single user licenses.A >SH >         They can't be serious.  If they are, then they're simply nuts.M >         This one factor alone will stop almost all potential users in theirH >         tracks.o  [ It is a bit vague, do they intend the system manager to obtain load a different single useroI (RESERVE=USERNAME) licence for each individual named student and academicnX using the system? This is the way I read it (though the phrasing is a little ambiguous).X Anyway, surely this will be totally unworkable as the sysadmin types will just refuse toK take on the extra (non-trivial) admin load. Or am I misinterpreting things?e     >r >b > 2.  SMP support? >uK >         Hobbyist has none, but academics often have SMP machines.  HighlyiL >         likely that students will pick these up as hand me downs, but withM >         this license they (probably) can't run VMS on them, or have to pull I >         out a CPU.  And the original owners are in the same boat unlesswA >         they buy the full price VMS licenses with the hardware.t >e  5 Sure, should be able to use any VMS capable box IMHO.l   >fL >         Not very good advertising to have students saying "I got this coolL >         SMP Alpha box from the chemistry group, but the stupid VMS licenseK >         wouldn't let me use  both CPUs, so now I'm running netBSD on it."s   > 3.  Media? >oG >         No source of media is provided.  Presumably they figured that H >         these folks would still buy the ESL.  But that's mucho dinero.G >         Far better to make the SDK available for $30 from the eSTORE, M >         better still to make CDROM disk images available for FTP download -LN >         and we'll burn our own as needed.  (That's what I do now for Linux). >c > 4.  Support? >nK >         No source of support was mentioned, not even links to comp.os.vmsi >         or "ask the wizard." >u  L Hmmm, I guess if you really NEED support (mission crictical app etc) you canO still but it from Compaq in the normal way. :-) :-) However, both resources youa mention are good and free.   >y2 > 5.  Obtaining hardware?  Hardware compatibility? >rM >         Only the cognescenti know where to get VMS compatible hardware.  In G >         this instance the new license enables a purchase of the LinuxkL >         variants and a later load of the VMS base and other licenses.  ButI >         nowhere does it say that this is possible (and it's the biggestnM >         selling point of the program!)  Moreover, you have to be careful totK >         get VMS compatible components, especially graphics cards and scsiuJ >         controllers.  Where are the links to "educational specials - VMSG >         ready"?  Where's the list of systems that will run with these- >         licenses.c  K Having recently been on www.dell.co.uk recently configuring a system, I canbS only say what an easy buisiness configuring the system I needed was (I don't really1L WANT a wintel box, you understand, but I have an app that needs it). Really,K have Compaq got granite for brains or can't they see this is the way to go,oM people don't want to be messed around by resellers only interested in top-end$ hardware deals etc.t   >h > H > For comparison, Linux beats this VMS program on all 5 points, and evenO > Solaris is better on everything but #3.  (The academic Solaris program, whichaH > provides media, runs $68/year per user split across all campus users.)M > Compaq should at least strive for parity if they want to capture new heartse > and minds. >o  E Mind you, did you catch the recent threads about Solaris hackability?o  L I aggree though, Compaq can't rest on its' or VMS's laurels in this venture,E unless they MAKE it intersting for academics to get back into VMS, itd just ain't gonna happen.    -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukT  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofr MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 16:53:09 GMT0* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)9 Subject: Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?e. Message-ID: <8rfn9l$2c6$2@info.service.rug.nl>  a In article <8rfkns$s5g@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:    > 1.  Single user licenses.d > H >         They can't be serious.  If they are, then they're simply nuts.M >         This one factor alone will stop almost all potential users in theiru >         tracks.u  H I am REALLY HOPING that they meant to say "base licenses", which are notI part of DECcampus.  Unlimited-user licenses ARE part of DECcampus, so it O) would be really strange not to have them.t    We need some official word here.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 10:06:10 -0700l1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) 9 Subject: Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?h, Message-ID: <lSZ665PHSm89@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <8rfkns$s5g@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,  7    mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:X > N > The new program is about 75% of the way "there".  The 5 problems I've found 
 > so far are:a >  > 1.  Single user licenses.e > H >         They can't be serious.  If they are, then they're simply nuts.M >         This one factor alone will stop almost all potential users in theira >         tracks.  >   L     It's hard to express how terribly disappointed I am in this program. TheK single user license restriction pretty much makes it worthless to us ( does K Compaq think we have rooms full of Alphas we're anxious to put VMS onto? ).iE We do have a few spare Alphas we'd hoped to put VMS onto and give ourhH students access to them, but the single user license bit rules that out.  G    It seems to me this program is actually less valuable to most peoplepK than the hobbyist program would be. It provides unlimited user licenses andlI a source of cheap media. Of course the hobbyist program can't be used forhM institutional purposes, but the structure of this program suggests they don't 7 seriously expect it to be used for that purpose either.I    M =============================================================================gM Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.caaH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------    Date: 04 Oct 2000 12:48:52 -0500- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>*9 Subject: Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?*0 Message-ID: <w53zokkfqez.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  / Joseph Pomeroy <JPOMEROY@holycross.edu> writes:s   > Greetings: > E >   I realize it is VERY early to expect a complete plan and set of =m > information, but > I'll ask anyway. > E >   The newly announced plan seems VERY nice for us. Could help a lotmI > especially for  users of single programs (as in the one user of the C =n > compiler). > E >   I would appreciate  any ideas on two products: OPENVMS-ALPHA-USEReH > and VMSCLUSTER.  What sort of license can I get for these? They do not# > lend themselves to 'single-user'.T  K They don't seem to be included; you can always get them via ESL/CSLG, whichtK isn't free, but at least with the new program you no longer have to buy then base system license.   -- eI -------------------------------------------------------------------------b: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotasI -------------------------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:53:26 GMT* From: itsjustbob@my-deja.com> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Systems as client to MS SQLserver Server.) Message-ID: <8rfna2$6l7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s  / I was searching this news group for the reverse0/ situation and saw your message.  I have tried aC1 product called OpenRDA from Automation Technology . Inc.  (www.atinet.com) that worked pretty good% for the situation you are describing.w  0 If anyone has any suggestions for an ODBC driver& for accessing OpenVMS RMS files from a+ VisualBasic program, I would appreciate thet information.   Thanks,e bobT  ) In article <8qfuni$aif4@news1.gtech.com>,a/   "Fletcher Hearns" <hearns@softapp.com> wrote:  > Hello all, >o. > I have been asked to investigate making some VMS (and Tru65 Unix)0 > application talk to a MS SQLserver Server box. Basically I need the VMS1 > (and TRU64 Unix box) to act as client to the MS  box.  Does anyone know ofc/ > ODBC Client software to allow this to happen?a >y > Thanks in advance, > 
 > Fletcher >  >h      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:35:44 -0400r# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>r> Subject: Re: OpenVMS Systems as client to MS SQLserver Server.+ Message-ID: <39DB6A70.A8FFAE48@hsc.vcu.edu>b  G I've seen openlinksw.com may have one.  they certainly do for Ingres...M   itsjustbob@my-deja.com wrote:l > 1 > I was searching this news group for the reverse-1 > situation and saw your message.  I have tried aA3 > product called OpenRDA from Automation Technology 0 > Inc.  (www.atinet.com) that worked pretty good' > for the situation you are describing.- > 2 > If anyone has any suggestions for an ODBC driver( > for accessing OpenVMS RMS files from a- > VisualBasic program, I would appreciate the  > information. > 	 > Thanks,t > bob  > + > In article <8qfuni$aif4@news1.gtech.com>,e1 >   "Fletcher Hearns" <hearns@softapp.com> wrote:B > > Hello all, > >e0 > > I have been asked to investigate making some > VMS (and Tru65 Unix)2 > > application talk to a MS SQLserver Server box. > Basically I need the VMS3 > > (and TRU64 Unix box) to act as client to the MST > box.  Does anyone know ofn1 > > ODBC Client software to allow this to happen?  > >g > > Thanks in advance, > >y > > Fletcher > >  > >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:00:26 GMT % From: andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.comn; Subject: openVMS v7.1 VAX with Dump off System Disk feature.) Message-ID: <8rev3p$icq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,k  F I am trying to configure an OpenVMS VAX with v7.1 dump off system disk5 feature. I have a VAX 4000-106 with SCSI disk drives.   @ Has anybody had any success with this ? The documentation I have< suggests only CI attached disks will work with this feature.   Appreciate any feedback. Thanks Andrew    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:04:44 GMT  From: jnchambless@my-deja.comr? Subject: Re: openVMS v7.1 VAX with Dump off System Disk featuret) Message-ID: <8rf6cp$n9s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>j  
 Hi Andrew,  D We are an Alpha 4100 cluster with VMS 7.1-1H1 and DOSD, SCSI drives.F We had trouble initially but found that at the console we had the dump> set up improperly.  On the 4100's there is a console setting (E dump_dev ) that needs to be set to the correct disk for the dump filegF and be sure to set the DUMPSTYLE SYSGEN parameter correctly.  Then you@ need to create the SAME structure on the DOSD disk as would have9 existed on the system disk.  Should work fine from there._  ) In article <8rev3p$icq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,_(   andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com wrote: > Hi,M >HH > I am trying to configure an OpenVMS VAX with v7.1 dump off system disk7 > feature. I have a VAX 4000-106 with SCSI disk drives.. > B > Has anybody had any success with this ? The documentation I have> > suggests only CI attached disks will work with this feature. >E > Appreciate any feedback. > Thanks > Andrew >D( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.e >z    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:18:34 GMT  From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..coms? Subject: Re: openVMS v7.1 VAX with Dump off System Disk feature 8 Message-ID: <mdimts88uktvuai81p5r19fd8cmme48g0q@4ax.com>  A On Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:00:26 GMT, andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com  wrote:   >Hi, >?G >I am trying to configure an OpenVMS VAX with v7.1 dump off system diski6 >feature. I have a VAX 4000-106 with SCSI disk drives. >eA >Has anybody had any success with this ? The documentation I have-= >suggests only CI attached disks will work with this feature.x >i >Appreciate any feedback.) >Thanks: >AndrewE >  >c' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/- >Before you buy.  0 if you have s/w support, you could ring the CSC,  ; they should be able to send you an article, that describes s9 how-to, blow by blow, in detail fro both Alpha and Vax...M   ask them to seach for DOSD.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:10:24 GMTt1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>q? Subject: Re: openVMS v7.1 VAX with Dump off System Disk feature 2 Message-ID: <39DB5803.B19754AB@clarityconnect.com>  G DOSD will not work on this system.  Here are the VAX DOSD rule from the B DSNlink article titled [OpenVMS] Managing Dumpfiles on VAX & Alpha Systems or Clustersl     OpenVMS VAX (only)   ------------------<   1. The system must be connected directly to, and must boot      from, CI controllers.<   2. The dump device must physically connect to the same two+      HSx CI controllers as the boot device. ?   3. The dump device cannot be MSCP unit zero.  Only units 1 tov/      4095 decimal (1 to FFF hex) are supported.o?   4. Version 4.3 or later of the VAX 7000 console firmware mustc@      be installed in order to use DUMPSTYLE for DOSD on VAX 7000      type systems.,   5. The system cannot be a VAX 9000 System.?   6. A stub SYSDUMP.DMP must reside in the SYS$SYSTEM directory @      in order for ERRORLOG buffers to be saved.  The size of the      minimal dump is:   >        MIN_SYSDUMP.DMP = (ERRORLOGBUFFERS * ERLBUFFERPAGES) +1  ;   8. The DOSD device volume label must include "DOSD_DUMP",o&      i.e., DOSD_DUMP_12, 12_DOSD_DUMP.          Note:;          The volume label will be revalidated if the systemd:          crashes.  The label must match the label that was<          read when the system booted.  If the label does not(          match, no dump will be written.  A   ***Caution***Caution***Caution***Caution***Caution***Caution*** A   THE DUMPFILE MUST NOT BE DELETED ONCE THE SYSTEM HAS MAPPED IT. A   If deleted after mapping, a subsequent system crash could cause B   file corruption because the dump will be written to the location,   where the deleted dumpfile used to reside.      & andrew.rycroft@intrinsitech.com wrote: >  > Hi,o > H > I am trying to configure an OpenVMS VAX with v7.1 dump off system disk7 > feature. I have a VAX 4000-106 with SCSI disk drives.  > B > Has anybody had any success with this ? The documentation I have> > suggests only CI attached disks will work with this feature. >  > Appreciate any feedback. > Thanks > Andrew > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.r   -- iD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:16:22 +0200n( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> Subject: Re: PF keys& Message-ID: <39DACB36.8FA8A8BA@cli.de>   Carsten Neuer schrieb: > L > Can anybody help me out, how I can use the PF1, PF2, PF3 and PF4 key on myJ > DEC/VMS system, when I'm logging onto it from a PC or a Unix workstation > thru a telnet connection???D > G Try putty it's only 180kb, free, fast and works fine with VMS (also hase ssh)3 	http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/c   -- uH Microsoft broke Volkswagen`s world record: VW only made 22 million bugs!  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.delC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:10:42 +0100o9 From: "Miller, Daniel" <Daniel.Miller@Nightfreight.co.uk>e Subject: RE: PF keysA Message-ID: <017BBD86A4F6D3118D640020182FB53D04A09C@NF-HOUSE-NT1>t   Have a look at:n  5 http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA002416/teraterm.htmll    1 This is a good pc telnet client and its free too.   
 Daniel Millerh Nightfreight Plc   -----Original Message-----8 From: leslie@clio.rice.edu [mailto:leslie@clio.rice.edu]( Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 10:51 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  Subject: Re: PF keys    3 Carsten Neuer (carsten.neuer.nospam@usa.net) wrote: G : Can anybody help me out, how I can use the PF1, PF2, PF3 and PF4 key eE : on my DEC/VMS system, when I'm logging onto it from a PC or a Unix e) : workstation thru a telnet connection???  : - : Thanks a lot in advance, you saved my live! 	 : CarstenH   I'll address the PC issue:  ?   The Microsoft telnet client is broken, most likely by design.h@   AFAIK, it's never supported the numeric keypad used by VMS and   unix editors.     You can replace it with:     o KERMIT, available at:   #     http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/i    o Reflection, available at:      http://www.wrq.com/    o QVT/Term 4.3f, available at:f      http://www.qpc.com/  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 09:19:58 -04004 From: "Carsten Neuer" <carsten.neuer.nospam@usa.net> Subject: Re: PF keys+ Message-ID: <8rfalp$drs$1@news.btv.ibm.com>f   Zane,   H thanks a lot for the shell script. I contained the information I needed!C If you're logged on the DEC machine from anywhere using telnet, thet$ following key sequence does the job: <ESC> OP simulates PF1 <ESC> OQ simulates PF2 <ESC> OR simulates PF3 <ESC> OS simulates PF4   Thanks!u Carstenn  = Carsten Neuer <carsten.neuer.nospam@usa.net> wrote in message?% news:8rdh60$leo$1@news.btv.ibm.com...sL > Can anybody help me out, how I can use the PF1, PF2, PF3 and PF4 key on myJ > DEC/VMS system, when I'm logging onto it from a PC or a Unix workstation > thru a telnet connection???i >h- > Thanks a lot in advance, you saved my live!o	 > Carsten  >  >d >d >e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 11:44:17 -04004 From: "Carsten Neuer" <carsten.neuer.nospam@usa.net> Subject: Re: PF keys+ Message-ID: <8rfj4d$qm4$1@news.btv.ibm.com>   H He, and many thanks to Daniel, Tera Term is really a great Terminal. YouJ just don't have to care anymore at all about your PF keys, they work right out of the box   Carsten   = Carsten Neuer <carsten.neuer.nospam@usa.net> wrote in messagec% news:8rdh60$leo$1@news.btv.ibm.com...eL > Can anybody help me out, how I can use the PF1, PF2, PF3 and PF4 key on myJ > DEC/VMS system, when I'm logging onto it from a PC or a Unix workstation > thru a telnet connection???n >t- > Thanks a lot in advance, you saved my live!l	 > Carstenw >e >c >k >c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:08:48 +0100r- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>A( Subject: Re: Privileges needed for PHONE) Message-ID: <39DB1DD0.19E6983A@bbc.co.uk>a   "Zane H. Healy" wrote:  $ > Veli Krkk <korkko@decus.fi> wrote:+ > > The safe way to remove privileges is tos >e, > > $ set process/privileges=(noall,net,tmp) > > $ spawn  > > $ phone xxxxxn > > $ logout >s3 > > and similar way with larger set of prvivileges.b >eN > Thank You, that was quick, painless, and I think informative.  The one thingG > I noticed when I did this and a SHO PROCESS/PRIV was that SYSTEM has:  >l > Process rights:i- >  SYSTEM                            resourcei >  INTERACTIVE	 >  REMOTEo
 >  NET$MANAGEe  . Allow OSI management functions to be executed.   >g >C > while my user account has: >  > Process rights:t- >  [500,500]                         resourcei  5 There is no identifier corresponding to UIC [500,500]    >  >  INTERACTIVE	 >  REMOTEa >u, > Now to try and figure out what that means. >d >                         Zane   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk-  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofl MedAS or the BBC.:   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 07:04:05 GMTc- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)sN Subject: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products/ Message-ID: <39dad606.4337527@swen.process.com>y  A This was posted to the MultiNet, TCPware, and PMDF groups Tuesday , morning, but in case you haven't seen it....    
 PRESS RELEASEi   						For Information  Contact:  <                                                 Donna Rogers 						Process Software, LLC- 						(508) 879-6994 						rogers@process.com  E Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Productsr  / Process to be Source for Innosoft PMDF Products   @ Framingham, Massachusetts, October 2, 2000 - Process Software, a leaderF in networking solutions for OpenVMS, today announced an agreement withF Innosoft International, Inc. designed to provide continued developmentD and support for Innosoft PMDF(R) products.  Innosoft was acquired by SunhE Microsystems, Inc. earlier this year.  In the agreement with Process,n: Innosoft will transition certain rights to development and? responsibility for support of PMDF products on all platforms ton Process B Software.  The goal of the relationship is to ensure that the PMDFF customer base continues to receive the top quality service and product5 enhancements it has been accustomed to from Innosoft.e  ? "Process Software is uniquely positioned to understand both theq businessE and technological needs of PMDF users", said Clyde Johnston, formerlyeD Innosoft President and CEO.  "The company's strong commitment to the@ OpenVMS market - demonstrated by the technological advances they@ continue to make to their TCPware and MultiNet TCP/IP products -= combined with their firm dedication to customer support, willi	 guaranteecE that this agreement serves the mission-critical business needs of our' loyal PMDF customers."  ? "This relationship assures that PMDF customers will continue to' receiveuA the best support and a full commitment to the product", said John= Murgo,B President and CEO of Process Software.  "We are very excited aboutE working with the PMDF customers and are committed to investing in the  future of this product."  C Both companies are focused on implementing a seamless transition of-E responsibility for the support of Innosoft's PMDF products to Process@B Software.  Effective immediately, customers should contact ProcessA Software to purchase PMDF licenses or support.  Current customerso shouldC continue to contact Innosoft for technical support until instructedl
 otherwise.  E Process Software (www.process.com), in Framingham, Massachusetts, has'A been a leader in delivering premium networking software solutionsr sinceuB 1989.  The company provides TCPware(R) and MultiNet(R), two TCP/IPD software packages for Compaq's OpenVMS systems.  Process Software is> known for providing industry-leading support to its customers,	 including , many Global 2000 and Fortune 1000 companies.  D Sun, Sun Microsystems, and the Sun logo are trademarks or registeredC trademarks of Sun Microsystems, Inc. in the United States and othert
 countries.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/-: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  " Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:41:39 GMT( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>R Subject: Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products' Message-ID: <G1wApF.Jn3@spcuna.spc.edu>a  / Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> writes:b9 > Effective immediately, customers should contact ProcessSC > Software to purchase PMDF licenses or support.  Current customers A > should continue to contact Innosoft for technical support untilm > instructed otherwise.   H   Does this mean we'll see PMDF in the OpenVMS Hobbyist program sometimeJ soon? When I asked Innosoft about this before their sale, they said "we'reH looking into it", but presumably their plans went on hold when they were bought.u  - 	Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.comt5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 12:09:07 GMTe' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)sR Subject: Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products0 Message-ID: <8rf6l3$mp8$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  _ In article <39dad606.4337527@swen.process.com>, goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) writes:sB >This was posted to the MultiNet, TCPware, and PMDF groups Tuesday- >morning, but in case you haven't seen it....e >u >y >PRESS RELEASE >- >						For Information	 >Contact:c >0= >                                                Donna Rogersc >						Process Software, LLC >						(508) 879-6994e >						rogers@process.com8 >EF >Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products >d0 >Process to be Source for Innosoft PMDF Products > A >Framingham, Massachusetts, October 2, 2000 - Process Software, an >leaderrG >in networking solutions for OpenVMS, today announced an agreement withnG >Innosoft International, Inc. designed to provide continued developmenttE >and support for Innosoft PMDF(R) products.  Innosoft was acquired byB >SunF >Microsystems, Inc. earlier this year.  In the agreement with Process,; >Innosoft will transition certain rights to development and @ >responsibility for support of PMDF products on all platforms to=                                                 =============  >ProcessC >Software.  The goal of the relationship is to ensure that the PMDFtG >customer base continues to receive the top quality service and producta6 >enhancements it has been accustomed to from Innosoft. >s   Hunter,w   What does this mean ?t  ' Sun OEMs PMDF MTA for its SIMS product.hJ Sun aquires Innosoft gives it to iPlanet. Lots of talk about SIMS becomingE a major part of iPlanet. Lots of worries on future of PMDF on non-Sun-
 platforms.  A Now development to be done on ALL platforms by process software ?   > Is this really all platforms or is it just OpenVMS and Tru64 ? ie- Is PMDF going to split into multiple products   G SUN iPlanet/SIMS version and  traditional PMDF version on VMS and Tru64r    
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University     PS.   H I don't suppose you know anything about the future of the VMS version of Innosoft's IDS LDAP server ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:55:53 GMTj- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)-R Subject: Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products0 Message-ID: <39db60f2.29188480@swen.process.com>  C On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 07:41:39 GMT, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>, wrote:  0 >Hunter Goatley <goathunter@goatley.com> writes:: >> Effective immediately, customers should contact ProcessD >> Software to purchase PMDF licenses or support.  Current customersB >> should continue to contact Innosoft for technical support until >> instructed otherwise. >eI >  Does this mean we'll see PMDF in the OpenVMS Hobbyist program sometimerK >soon? When I asked Innosoft about this before their sale, they said "we're I >looking into it", but presumably their plans went on hold when they were. >bought. >rC That's a good question.  I'm not sure if the terms of the agreementi: will allow that or not, but it's something I'll look into.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/u: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 16:59:58 GMTb- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley)oR Subject: Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDF Products0 Message-ID: <39db6120.29233816@swen.process.com>  D On 4 Oct 2000 12:09:07 GMT, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) wrote:  ( >Sun OEMs PMDF MTA for its SIMS product.K >Sun aquires Innosoft gives it to iPlanet. Lots of talk about SIMS becoming8F >a major part of iPlanet. Lots of worries on future of PMDF on non-Sun >platforms.r >:B >Now development to be done on ALL platforms by process software ? >f? >Is this really all platforms or is it just OpenVMS and Tru64 ?i >ie . >Is PMDF going to split into multiple products >cH >SUN iPlanet/SIMS version and  traditional PMDF version on VMS and Tru64 >uA Pieces/parts of PMDF have been incorporated into iPlanet, but theSE PMDF product line on all platforms is now moving to Process Software. A The source code for the two (iPlanet and PMDF) has been diverging " ever since the acquisition by Sun.  ? Process is getting the rights to develop, support, and sell allm@ versions of the PMDF product line (VMS, Tru64, Solaris, and NT).D But the source codes will continue to diverge, as Innosoft continues2 to work on iPlanet and Process takes PMDF forward.  I >I don't suppose you know anything about the future of the VMS version of  >Innosoft's IDS LDAP server ?s >.F I believe the rights to that have also come to Process, but it's a bitC early to say anything about the future of that right now.  Look for E more info about the whole transition in the next couple of months....e   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/ : goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:38:25 -0400u- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>eQ Subject: Re: Process Software to Provide Development and Support for PMDFProducts , Message-ID: <39DB6B10.AF4960B1@videotron.ca>  N While this is probably seen as a positive move compared to the demise of PMDF,L I would have much prefered for Compaq to buy the rights for the VMS PMDF andE make this a solid and official part of VMS to provide VMS with a core  messaging infrastructure.D  M VMS used to be a leader in messaging with its Message Router backbone and alluH the various gateways. But then they dropped it, didn't provide migration< routes and VMS's leadership in messaging vanished overnight.  ; PMDF became key when TCPIP gained importance in VMS shops. w  M My main worry now is that VMS will suffer from the lack of a single messaging H "stack" in the same way that it suffered from the lack of a single TCPIPN stack. Had Compaq gotten PMDF, it would have been able to make it the officialF messaging backbone for VMS and then ISVs could have built all sorts of  gateways/applications around it.  J The VMS market isn't big enough to support multiple messaging products. WeJ need ONE solid messaging backbone on which we can build with assurances it
 will last.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:15:27 -04006 From: "Dominic Olivastro" <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> Subject: Question on lib$Get_VM # Message-ID: <PDIC5.9$l51.98@client>   A When I close an application that has called lib$Get_VM, is the VMf: automatically freed, or do I need to that with lib$Free_VM   Domj     --# -----------------------------------o Dominic Olivastrot CHI Research, Inc. 10 White Horse Pike- Haddon Heights, NJ 08035  * Please note that the area code has changed  ( email: mailto:DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com! web:   http://www.ChiResearch.com- fax:   (856) 546-9633 $ voice: (856) 546-0600 (extension 24)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:23:55 +0200-= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> # Subject: Re: Question on lib$Get_VMe) Message-ID: <39DB599A.BCD51047@gtech.com>/   Dominic Olivastro wrote:C > When I close an application that has called lib$Get_VM, is the VM?< > automatically freed, or do I need to that with lib$Free_VM  A I have never usde it, but I assume that it is a malloc and not anm alloca, E which means that you hav eto free it (it will ofcourse be automaticlyi freed! at image exit).h   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:54:59 -0400/, From: Steve Lionel <Steve.Lionel@compaq.com># Subject: Re: Question on lib$Get_VM 8 Message-ID: <a6omts8q0661mpu18nr0m39a204fd4r1vo@4ax.com>  6 On Wed, 4 Oct 2000 12:15:27 -0400, "Dominic Olivastro"# <DOlivastro@ChiResearch.com> wrote:e  B >When I close an application that has called lib$Get_VM, is the VM; >automatically freed, or do I need to that with lib$Free_VM1  F When you exit an application (image), all dynamically memory allocated memory is freed.- Steve Lionel (mailto:Steve.Lionel@compaq.com)  Fortran Engineeringe& Compaq Computer Corporation, Nashua NH  6 Compaq Fortran web site: http://www.compaq.com/fortran   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 13:43:07 +02000 From: "Jan Vercammen" <Jan.Vercammen@Compaq.com>, Subject: Sending/receiving faxes on OpenVMS?6 Message-ID: <8rf4vf$lsh$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J Is there any software available that allows one to send/receive faxes from an OpenVMS system?   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 12:16:22 GMTe3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)I0 Subject: Re: Sending/receiving faxes on OpenVMS?0 Message-ID: <8rf72m$pm4$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  i In article <8rf4vf$lsh$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Jan Vercammen" <Jan.Vercammen@Compaq.com> writes: K >Is there any software available that allows one to send/receive faxes from. >an OpenVMS system?e  ; There are several. We use CompuFax from Networking Dynamics-K (http://www.networkingdynamics.com/) here and are quite content with it. Wec= don't use the receive function, though (but it is available).    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 11:24:17 -0500l/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 0 Subject: Re: Sending/receiving faxes on OpenVMS?O Message-ID: <6BF8365A08BE3044.91DA2420323315F7.3A8510A3577B38C0@lp.airnews.net>-   Jan Vercammen wrote: > L > Is there any software available that allows one to send/receive faxes from > an OpenVMS system?  E Applied Synergy has a family of OpenVMS faxing products called Q/FAX.n  G Let me know if you are interested and I will send you some information.m  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com a   Fax: 817-237-3074,   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 09:05:53 -0500  From: briggs@eisner.decus.org A Subject: Re: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full"n+ Message-ID: <Qd5GXnmfEFnw@eisner.decus.org>a   In article <8red6q$g13$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>, ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess, University of Queensland) writes:F [snip major diagnostic work that rules out almost everything but whichK  reveals a dependency on how much data is passed through the spawn mailbox]@   Theory:r  E System service resource wait mode has been turned off.  IIRC, mailbox/C full ordinarily manifests by hanging the writer in RWMBX.  If we'reoJ getting "mailbox full", this means that resource wait mode has been turned off.   $ HELP SYSTEM $SETRWMa  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 08:25:24 GMTl/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>  Subject: Re: SWCC and PathworksE) Message-ID: <8rephh$eku$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a   Thanks to those who repliede  ? Turns out that we had also tried to start up Samba on the Alpha   G when we stopped samba and pathworks and then restarted pathworks it allr= connected OK - looks like pathworks and samba won't co-exist.    Sorry if I confused anyone   Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 10:51:58 +0200.+ From: Andreas Nastke <nastke@gdp-group.com>s
 Subject: t- Message-ID: <39DAEFAE.43A885F3@gdp-group.com>-   t-   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 00:10 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)s8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX., Message-ID: <4OCT200000102405@gerg.tamu.edu>  4 "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes...L }> > Thank you very much for your reply.  Will the license DVNETEXT suffice? }>J }> No, that is a DECnet license. You need some NAS license or UCX or TCPIP }> license.  } M }OK now I need to vent.  My apologies in advance - I don't meant to shoot the9 }messenger.e } D }Someday I hope Compaq gets a clue and stops nickle and diming their> }customers.  What the hell good is any OS these days without aI }non-proprietary network stack.  I stick up for Compaq whenever I can butdI }they really dropped the ball on this one.  I keep getting mixed messages M }from them.  While I very much applaude Compaq's recent release of Apache andpL }Perl (supported under VMS license), what good are they without an IP stack. } M }How can Compaq expect to be a real player in e-commerce without including aniM }IP stack with VMS.  Certainly, I can **BUY** UCX or Multinet but since theretI }isn't an IP stack included "out of the box" with VMS, I have to questionsH }Compaq's commitment to the web.  On the other hand, I simply don't haveM }these license issues on my Sun (you know - "the network is the computer") or K }HP boxes.  These firms recognized the value (however symbolic) a long time , }ago of including an IP stack with their OS. } % }Looks like I'll stick with Multinet,t }  }Thanks, }Miken  E It is generally hard to buy an Alpha running VMS without also gettinglG the license to run the TCP/IP Sevices - unless you do it on purpose andIH work hard to convince them to do it. Every prepackaged system comes withG it, either as a part of the NAS package or the newer EIS package (whichnG aparently isn't really a package type licnese like the NAS license, butMF is a collection of the individual product licenses instead) whether it is an XP900 or a GS320.   H Did you buy the system you are talking about from Compaq, or is it olderG than that - i.e. bought from DEC? It is hardly fair to blame Compaq nowg$ for stupid things that DEC did then.   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 09:19:11 -0500i, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.+ Message-ID: <4X6ho3EC+z7Z@eisner.decus.org>P  Z In article <8rdo9r$gtn$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha1.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb) writes: > N > I've never heard of any such tools. But then does Multinet provide tools for! > migrating from UCX or TCPWARE ?n >   G Not the tools to recrate your queues, but it does include UCX emulationT2 so that your programs built for UCX keep on going.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation,= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupuE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingd   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:16:42 GMTe0 From: "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net>8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.D Message-ID: <_BJC5.7219$rO1.295529@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>  L I double checked and I do have NAS licenses on my VAXes but all I have on my
 Alphas are...e   ACMS-RT  BOOKBROWSERv DTR-USER DVNETEXT DW-MOTIF
 OPENVMS-ALPHAg OPENVMS-ALPHA-USER DEC SW-RAID5
 VMSCLUSTER MULTINET  ( Do an of these qualify as a UCX license?  2 Carl Perkins <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message& news:4OCT200000102405@gerg.tamu.edu...6 > "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes...E > }> > Thank you very much for your reply.  Will the license DVNETEXTt suffice? > }>L > }> No, that is a DECnet license. You need some NAS license or UCX or TCPIP
 > }> license.r > }iK > }OK now I need to vent.  My apologies in advance - I don't meant to shootn the 
 > }messenger.  > }tF > }Someday I hope Compaq gets a clue and stops nickle and diming their@ > }customers.  What the hell good is any OS these days without aK > }non-proprietary network stack.  I stick up for Compaq whenever I can butbK > }they really dropped the ball on this one.  I keep getting mixed messages K > }from them.  While I very much applaude Compaq's recent release of Apachea and4G > }Perl (supported under VMS license), what good are they without an IPs stack. > }oL > }How can Compaq expect to be a real player in e-commerce without including anI > }IP stack with VMS.  Certainly, I can **BUY** UCX or Multinet but sinceC therecK > }isn't an IP stack included "out of the box" with VMS, I have to questionPJ > }Compaq's commitment to the web.  On the other hand, I simply don't haveL > }these license issues on my Sun (you know - "the network is the computer") orH > }HP boxes.  These firms recognized the value (however symbolic) a long time. > }ago of including an IP stack with their OS. > }e' > }Looks like I'll stick with Multinet,o > } 
 > }Thanks, > }MikeI >sG > It is generally hard to buy an Alpha running VMS without also gettingsI > the license to run the TCP/IP Sevices - unless you do it on purpose andcJ > work hard to convince them to do it. Every prepackaged system comes withI > it, either as a part of the NAS package or the newer EIS package (whichuI > aparently isn't really a package type licnese like the NAS license, but H > is a collection of the individual product licenses instead) whether it > is an XP900 or a GS320.t >PJ > Did you buy the system you are talking about from Compaq, or is it olderI > than that - i.e. bought from DEC? It is hardly fair to blame Compaq now & > for stupid things that DEC did then. >T
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 06:07:03 GMTt% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>.+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile-) Message-ID: <8rehe5$7u4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  0 In article <009F1016.82C7B928@SendSpamHere.ORG>,    system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: [...]a1 > >> > > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:eC > >> > > > > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS sinceo > >> > > > > 7BC.  ;)a
 > >> > > > [...]nD > I was afraid folks might have considered the 7BC to 7 years before	 > Compaq.a  C Oh, that's nothing. When I saw it the first time I saw the ';)' andv& thought you meant '7 before christ'...   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:48:33 +0010r% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au9+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile05 Message-ID: <01JUY94BM4W2004XQ6@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>t   Uwe Zessin wrote:   1 >In article <009F1016.82C7B928@SendSpamHere.ORG>,a! >  system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:e >[...]2 >> >> > > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:D >> >> > > > > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS since >> >> > > > > 7BC.  ;) >> >> > > >  >[...]E >> I was afraid folks might have considered the 7BC to 7 years before 
 >> Compaq. >sD >Oh, that's nothing. When I saw it the first time I saw the ';)' and' >thought you meant '7 before christ'...t  = I thought Uwe meant that he had seen your web-site photos :-)I  J Actually, Brian is sortta photogenic (according to my wife, who likes the 0 toy-boy look).  Sorry Brian, couldn't resist :-)   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,r
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia-   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,t; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.s   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:18:57 +0100 From: "SCO" <noone@dot.com>r% Subject: Thoughts on the "Light Ball"f( Message-ID: <8rfav7$hjc$2@supernews.com>  F Having recently received my Light Ball (the kids love it!), I began toK wonder if there was a way I could get such promotional material directed atbL my customers. They are using VMS at the moment, but are looking to move away from the platform :-( .M  I I am sure there are many in this group who received the Ball/Postcard whotI know of other "decision makers" who could also have been sent promotionalnK material. This would help many of us by showing "our customers" that VMS iso5 not dead, and of course it would help Compaq as well.   
 Colin P ScottP1 My thoughts are my own... for what they're worth!n( colin at hornby dash scott dot co dot uk   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:29:20 -0300 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brd Subject: UnidataL Message-ID: <OF56131CB8.F9A2BF77-ON8325696E.005FF21A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>   People  
 Read this ...y  E "OpenVMS is terrific from a systems management point of view,"  (...)   H http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/testimonials/unidata/unidata.html    
 Fabio Cardosol   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 23:38:09 -0400 ' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu>u Subject: Re: VAX8530' Message-ID: <39DAA620.8ACE85A4@rpi.edu>o  @     According to the original post, he seems to already have theG console.  However, from a look at the eBay posting, that does appear to0F be the exact item needed.  By the way, any ideas where one could get aG new hard drive for such a unit?  The hard drive in our console seems toP1 be on the way out, and we don't want to loose it.r   -Derek   Jeff Davis wrote:y  0 > On Tue, 03 Oct 2000 08:46:28 -0700, John Hagan" > <jhagan@axarosenberg.com> wrote: >mE > >The 85xx along with the 87xx machines had a pro380 as the console.i >pC > By lucky coincidence, I was browsing ebay and saw a "VAX Console, F > PC380-AA" auction has just been posted.  Is that the console needed? >lB > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=457685543 >a > Jeff   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:02:33 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>   Subject: Re: volume set copying.2 Message-ID: <39DB3A0C.A491339A@clarityconnect.com>  . What you did should work.  Things to check areD 1) Do you have any/all BACKUP patches for the version of VMS you are runninge@ 2) Is the input volume set really mounted? SHOW DEVICE DISK$DATAD 3) Are the output volumes really mounted /FOREIGN ?  SHOW DEVICE DKBG 4) Do you have a symbol set for BACKUP that conflicts with what you areE trying to do? SHOW SYMBOL BACK*hE 5) Are you by any chance doing the BACKUP in a process other than the-? one that has the output volumes mounted to it?  ie SPWAN/NOWAITi
 BACKUP....' 6) Try changing DISK$DATA to DISK$DATA:o   krish wrote: > M > I am trying to take a image backup of a bound volume set onto another bounde
 > volume set.s > ! > These are the steps i followed.n > / > I have 4 disks dkb300 , dkb400, dkb500 dkb600- > > > 1 -  initialize dkb300 and dkb400 with label test0 and test1@ > 2-   initizlie    dkb500 and dkb600 with label test2 and test3 > % > 3- after that i gave a command liket > 0 >      mount/bind=data dkb300,dkb400 test0,test1 > N >     this created the bound volume set and the logical disk$date was created., >     then i create some files on that...... > K >  4 - then i mounted the target volume set with a similar command like the  > one i gave above.o > 4 >        mount/bind=datas dkb500:,dkb600 test2,test31 >        this created the target boud volume set.p > H > Now my objective is to  take a image backup of the source bound volumeJ > set(dkb300, and dkb400) to the target bound volume set( dkb500, dkb600). > H > Could somebody suggest me a command that can perform the backup of the8 > source bound volume set to the target bound voume set. > M > I have one more question, some one suggeste me to dismount the target bound K > volumse set, after making them a volumset, and suggested me to mount themt- > foreign and issue a backup. some thing liked > D >  after step 4,  dismount dkb500 and dkb600, and mount them foreign
 > separately.R% > and then issue a command similar ton > 8 >    backup/image/noinitialize disk$data dkb500:,dkb600: > % >   But this gives me an error sayingr > H >   %BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE, /IMAGE specification must have only device name > N >  could somebody suggest me a command to backup a volume set, and tell me how? > a mount/foreign command perform backup of a bound volume set.w >  >   thanks in advancec
 >   -Krish >  > --B > "Courage is the price that life extracts for granting peace with > yourself."Amelia Earhart   -- mD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:48:35 GMTt/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>c9 Subject: What exactly happens when a terminal dissappearsf) Message-ID: <8rfg01$vmi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  @ We have an application that has a 'parent' process and a spawnedD subprocess that has control of the terminal at the time in question.; The parent process is waiting for the subprocess to finish. = There are also exit handlers defined that should perform some  housekeeping tasks.g  G The problem we have at the moment is that when the terminal disappears,vF either by a telnet session being terminated from a PC or by  DSR beingF dropped from a LAT terminal server with DSRLOGOUT set on the port, the. the exit handlers do not seem to be executing.  > So the question is - what exactly is VMS doing when the remote* connection is dropped by either LAT or UCX (BTW this is UCX 4.2 VMS 7.1-2) E does it kill the parent process (via sys$exit or sys$stop??) or what?   G The parent process is in HIB state so we can't do a forcex on it and ifmG we do a forcex on the subprocess then the exit handlers seem to fire OK-  $ Any information would be appreciated   Thanks   Mike   --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.3   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 09:48:59 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> / Subject: Re: Why does TYPE/TAIL sometimes fail?g- Message-ID: <39DAFCD3.848A28F9@theblakes.com>d   David Mathog wrote:   J > That's true, but it also fails in places it should not.  Most notably onI > any long stream-lf file.  Now why the heck can't it figure out the fileAF > structure of something which is a stream delimited by LF characters?M > The old POSIX tail handled these files with no problem, as does every other  > Unix tail implementation.0  X TYPE/TAIL only handles records up to 512 bytes. This restriction is really only there to[ make dealing with VAR/VFC files easier. It really doesn't need to be there for stream filesc and could probably be removed.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 00:34:12 -0700 (PDT)o, From: Bruce Simpson <hub20001@excite.com.au>G Subject: Wildfire! Guaranteed Downline! Free, No obligation Enrollment!nC Message-ID: <16992480.970644852476.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com>t  . "Since Joining WILDFIRE in June of this year,   : I now have over 150 Active Associates in my downline..."    / REMEMBER,Wildfire builds your downline for you.e    - Does this business work?  Take a quick look! r# http://www.wildfireco-op.com/749471-    3 Hottest Downline Building System on Planet Earth!  5  . Great frontend income with backend residuals.   ? This one is HOT! Over 1000 are pre-enrolled in EACH DAY, FREE!!$    / Jim Wingo, President and Founder of Adnet Inc,  ? (A multi-million dollar advertising agency), has been providing > support services for people involved in the Network Marketing  industry for over 13 years.o    ; Take a look at these numbers as in a perfect organization. e= We know that it won't be exactly perfect.  We're not looking a: for absolute perfection, just to provide you with a steady  growing monthly residual income.    . 1    6 x 50% = $150.00 minimum per month plus;- 2    36 x 4% = $72.00 minimum per month plus;e. 3    216 x 4% = 436.00 minimum per month plus;2 4    1296 x 4% = $2,596.00 minimum per month plus;3 5    7776 x 4% = $15,552.00 minimum per month plus;T/ 6    46656 x 4% = $93,312.00 minimum per month.c    A If only 1 in 10 activate their position there will still be over 0E 3,800 activated members earning you over $7,000/month in 12 months.  w  G This doesn't include income from our Primary Network Marketing Company.X    E For your FREE--NO OBLIGATION membership into our exciting new co-op, o) go to:http://www.wildfireco-op.com/749471    < ........and watch it explode!! or click below if highlighted, <A HREF=http://www.wildfireco-op.com/749471>" WILDFIRE! GUARANTEED DOWNLINE!</A>             Successfully yours, 
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