1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 05 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 556       Contents: Re: Apache question ; At last, Herbal V the all natural alternative is available!  Re: Backup Software  Re: Backup Software , Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversion  Compaq and docs about retired HW# Dec C; System Services question.... ' Re: Dec C; System Services question....  Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web  Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web  Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web  Re: DSSI bus termination Re: DSSI bus termination$ Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web$ Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS % Re: getting group name from UIC value  Re: Help w/ DHCP server, please  Re: Logical Tables Re: Logical Tables Re: Logical Tables Re: Logical Tables/ Looking for 10BACKUP and DUMPER for VMS system. " Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!" Re: Looks like I need help again!!, Re: MicroVAX 3100 20e and ST15230N weirdness, Re: MicroVAX 3100 20e and ST15230N weirdness Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions 0 Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?
 Newbie:  Mail  OpenVMS and MIT Cookies  Re: PF keys * Re: Porting Support (was Compaq VMS promo)/ Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape) 3 Re: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape)  Re: Reset file version number?- Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware. 1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware. & RE: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo8 Re: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full" Re: SWCC and Pathworks/ Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. " Re: This list participants profile Re: Unidata  Re: Unidata  Re: Unidata  Re: Unidata  Re: Unidata  Re: Unidata  Re: Unidata ! Update to the translation project  VMS Mail - Sending binaries  Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries  Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries  Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries  Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries  Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries  Re: volume set copying.  Re: volume set copying. 4 Re: What exactly happens when a terminal dissappears& Re: Why does TYPE/TAIL sometimes fail?# www.networks.digital.com retired...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:06:50 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> Subject: Re: Apache question' Message-ID: <39DB9BE9.B0948C4D@home.nl>   E Thanks for your reply. It all works like a dream now, and we can even  use searchlist logicals.   Regards,   Dirk   Gaitan D'Antoni wrote: > M > Here's how I make SYS$HELP available. You can do something similar for your  > CDs. > M > Edit APACHE$ROOT:[CONF]HTTPD.CONF and add the following Alias and Directory 6 > commands somewhere near any existing Alias commands. > % > Alias /help/  "/sys$common/syshlp/"  > " > <Directory "/sys$common/syshlp">  >     Options Indexes MultiViews >     AllowOverride None >     Order allow,deny >     Allow from all > </Directory> > * > In a browser enter http://hostname/help/ >  > Gaitan D'Antoni " > COM for OpenVMS Technical Leader7 > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/dcom/ 0 > Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderH > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html > Compaq Computer Corporation  > ; > Dirk Munk wrote in message <39D4478B.35E9E7E0@home.nl>... H > >We are in the process of setting up a Apache web server on one of our
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 Thank You.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:58:36 GMT  From: matthew_tevenan@dantz.com  Subject: Re: Backup Software) Message-ID: <8rgcmq$q9k$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   	 Hi Vicki,   F You're right. Sorry for the confusion. I'll definitely add this to our, suggestion list for future releases, though.   Matthew Tevenan  Dantz Development Corporation   ) In article <8rdahp$8df$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    vickianne@my-deja.com wrote:6 > I checked their web site and saw no support for VMS. >  > Vicki Abrams > vabrams@siac.com > / > In article <rdeininger-0310001329270001@user- ! > 2ive6jt.dialup.mindspring.com>, 7 >   rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote: - > > In article <8rbq61$14f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  matthew_tevenan@dantz.com  > wrote: > > @ > > > Hi there. I'd recommend giving Retrospect Backup a try. It supports& > > > the latest tape libraries (check > > > > <http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list> to8 > > > make sure yours is supported), plus gives you true incremental A > > > backups and easy, one-step restores. Give the free trial at  > > > www.betterbackup a whirl.  > > @ > > I generally recommend Retrospect also -- for Macs.  I didn't realize 6 > > Dantz had branched out and started supporting VMS. > >  > > -- > > Robert Deininger > > rdeininger@mindspring.com  > >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 17:22:38 -0700 & From: Colin Sewell <csewell@telus.net> Subject: Re: Backup Software) Message-ID: <8rghke0nd9@edrn.newsguy.com>   K They don't support VMS.  matthew_tevenan seems to be mindlessly replying to P every backup thread with a "give retrospect a try" message.  I count about 25 of? them spread across various groups posted on the 3rd of October.     G In article <8rdahp$8df$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, vickianne@my-deja.com says...  > 5 >I checked their web site and saw no support for VMS.  > 
 >Vicki Abrams  >vabrams@siac.com  > . >In article <rdeininger-0310001329270001@user-  >2ive6jt.dialup.mindspring.com>,6 >  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:F >> In article <8rbq61$14f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, matthew_tevenan@dantz.com >wrote:  >>H >> > Hi there. I'd recommend giving Retrospect Backup a try. It supports% >> > the latest tape libraries (check C >> > <http://www.dantz.com/index.php3?SCREEN=compatibility_list> to C >> > make sure yours is supported), plus gives you true incremental @ >> > backups and easy, one-step restores. Give the free trial at >> > www.betterbackup a whirl. >>G >> I generally recommend Retrospect also -- for Macs.  I didn't realize 5 >> Dantz had branched out and started supporting VMS.  >> >> --  >> Robert Deininger  >> rdeininger@mindspring.com >> >  > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.   --- ( C Sewell        mailto:csewell@telus.net
 Vancouver, BC    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:39:19 GMT & From: "Lee Gillie" <Lee@NOSPAModp.com>5 Subject: Re: code for D-FLOAT / IEEE float conversionT9 Message-ID: <rPKC5.787$Ok4.39821@sea-read.news.verio.net>e   John -  B You are correct.  It is important to be careful how the non-native: 8-byte double is loaded, and utilized within code prior toC conversion, in the way the 8 bytes of non-native double are stored. B I keep it in one place, and do not copy to other variables, and itA behaves in VC++.  But perhaps a pointer to void would be the bestnB representation, where it truly is non-native data. Thanks for your	 feedback.n  0 BTW - good to hear you are alive and doing well! --F ______________________________________________________________________F Lee Gillie, CCP                                Remove NOSPAM to E-MailF Online Data Processing, Inc. - 3501 N. Haven -  Spokane, WA 99207-8500  - "John Santos" <JOHN@egh.com> wrote in message . news:1001001213448.338A-100000@Ives.egh.com...( > On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Lee Gillie wrote: >n > > Thanks for the replies.p > [...] 0 > > double CvtVAXFLOATDtoMSREAL8( double inVal ) > > { B > >  // Convert VAX/VMS FLOAT_D to Micorosft languages IEEE real*8, > >  //   inVal - 8 bytes of VAX/VMS FLOAT_D2 > >  // returns - 8 bytes of Microsoft/IEEE double > Hi, Lee -e >i > One thing worries me here. >DF > Treating inVal as a double might cause it to get normalized or causeD > a floating point trap before your routine gets to map it.  Not allH > binary bit patterns are legal floating point numbers, and the set thatH > are illegal is probably different between VMS Float_D and IEEE double.F > Also a number with a zero mantissa but non-zero exponent or sign mayE > get convert by the hardware to a true zero before your program everiG > gets to see it.  (I am pretty sure a true 0 FLOAT_D number is 8 bytesa > of zeros.) >-C > I would treat the input value to the function as either an 8-bytewH > integer or as an array of 8 unsigned bytes, and make sure any programs8 > that call your convert function treat it the same way. > D > I don't know if the details of your conversion are otherwise okay. >  > Hope this helps. >t > --
 > John Santos  > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 07:26:58 +0200n( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>) Subject: Compaq and docs about retired HWa& Message-ID: <39DC1122.A83B409E@cli.de>  : As we all know, there is no more www.networks.digital.com,& very few about the Old Iron (VAXen) at/ http://www5.compaq.com/alphaserver/vax/archive/c
 and so on.  B Isn't that a job for DECUS, to make a deal with compaq and dnpg toB take over all that old webdocu and firmware and and to bring it to the public ?  B It's nice to aquire a DS700, but how to use without a WWENG1.SYS ?  F So please guys at DECUS, you are the people with the compaq-connection> (of course I'm member of Decus ;-) can't you bring help to the community ?    Any feedback ?   -- PH Microsoft broke Volkswagen`s world record: VW only made 22 million bugs!  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.desC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 19:31:53 GMTe From: atadashi@my-deja.com, Subject: Dec C; System Services question....) Message-ID: <8rg0j9$fhr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l  A Well.  I've just about exhausted all my resources.  So, as a lastp2 resort I'm posing this question to this newsgroup.  ' I'm using the System Services routines,eD specifically, "SYS$DEVICE_SCAN", from DEC C to locate disk drives onF the current node.  I'm running DEC C v5.7-004 on OpenVMS Alpha v7.2-1.$ Here is a snipet of the source code:  # (The call to the system service...)A1  if ((iStatus = sys$device_scan(&sReturn_DevName,  				&iRetDevNamLength, 				&sSearch_DevName,m 				 stItemList, 				&stContext)) == SS$_NORMAL)e   where parm1 and parm3 are:: 	struct dsc$descriptor_s sReturn_DevName, sSearch_DevName; and...1 	sReturn_DevName.dsc$w_length  = iMaxDevNameSize;a/ 	sReturn_DevName.dsc$b_dtype   = DSC$K_DTYPE_T; / 	sReturn_DevName.dsc$b_class   = DSC$K_CLASS_S; - 	sReturn_DevName.dsc$a_pointer = sRetDevName;-  1 	sSearch_DevName.dsc$w_length  = iMaxDevNameSize;:/ 	sSearch_DevName.dsc$b_dtype   = DSC$K_DTYPE_T;a/ 	sSearch_DevName.dsc$b_class   = DSC$K_CLASS_S;a/ 	sSearch_DevName.dsc$a_pointer = sSearchDevice;  where:& 	const short int iMaxDevNameSize = 64; and...% 	char sSearchDevice[iMaxDevNameSize],r# 	     sRetDevName[iMaxDevNameSize];d   where parm2 is,v 	unsigned short int iStatus, 			   iRetDevNamLength;i where parm4 is,a 	ILE3 stItemList[2] = {n* 		{ 4, DVS$_DEVCLASS, &iItemCode, iZERO },  		{ iZERO, iZERO, iZERO, iZERO } 	};  and...< 	ILE3 is the __NEW_STARLET typedef for an Item_List_3 struct and... 	unsigned long int iItemCode;w and.... 	DVS$_DEVCLASS is the device class in DVSDEF.H   where parm5 is, A 	GENERIC_64 stContext; /* __NEW_STARLET union within struct... */i$ 	stContext.gen64$q_quadword = iZERO;  A Through a FORIEGN command, I am passing the argument for the disk % device as a quoted string, "$1$DUA*";   3 	sprintf(sSearchDevice, "%s", argv[iCount - iONE) ;   E The code compiles properly, links properly and runs properly but onlygF returns an iStatus of 2648 (SS$_NOMOREDEV - no device was found).  So,F the call is working but the device search criteria does not seem to be correct.  B The system call documentation indicates the search criteria can beF based on name (string with all relevant wildcards) or device class, orD device type.  In my test, I have done just the name string, the nameG string AND the device class (disk), and I have altered the command linerD argument string as, "DSA*", "DUA*", "$1$DUA*", and "$1$DUA" (...likeA you would use with, SHOW DEVICE DUA, to see all dua disk devices)t without success.  G If anyone out there has used this system service, could you please help  me?e   Thanks..    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:57:04 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>t0 Subject: Re: Dec C; System Services question....' Message-ID: <39DB99A0.F4360A9D@iee.org>    atadashi@my-deja.com wrote:l > C > Well.  I've just about exhausted all my resources.  So, as a lasti4 > resort I'm posing this question to this newsgroup.  ) > I'm using the System Services routines, F > specifically, "SYS$DEVICE_SCAN", from DEC C to locate disk drives onH > the current node.  I'm running DEC C v5.7-004 on OpenVMS Alpha v7.2-1.& > Here is a snipet of the source code:  > Never, ever supply a small complete example of compilable codeC that demonstrates the problem. Support people absolutely hate this,o= they just love to have to turn your text into compilable codee$ by hand over several iterations  :-)   [snip uncopilable stuff ...]   > where parm4 is,f  >         ILE3 stItemList[2] = {: >                 { 4, DVS$_DEVCLASS, &iItemCode, iZERO },0 >                 { iZERO, iZERO, iZERO, iZERO } >         };   > and...& >         unsigned long int iItemCode;  9 you left out "is apparently uninitialised" although sinced? there doesn't seem to be a complete example it is hard to tell a for sure :-)  G > The code compiles properly, links properly and runs properly but onlynH > returns an iStatus of 2648 (SS$_NOMOREDEV - no device was found).  So,H > the call is working but the device search criteria does not seem to be
 > correct.  . iItemCode almost certainly had junk in it ...   I > If anyone out there has used this system service, could you please helpo > me?s  9 If the above doesn't sort you out, post a *small* examplee6 that fails (it doesn't need all the fancy command line9 parsing stuff ... just hard code the search string to "*"rA and don't bother displaying output .. .that's what DEBUG is for).a   Antoniot     ---------------k- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 14:45:00 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n  Subject: Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web, Message-ID: <39DB7AA6.14E0CA4F@videotron.ca>   Jennifer Tran wrote: > H > Could someone please explain to me how DECnet/Alpha can be used as theG > back end for Web .. what can make this association more effective ande6 > efficient than other technologies  ...Many thanks...  N Some web servers (notably the OSU DECthreatds one) are able to direct  POST orL GET requests to a DECnet task or object. This task then then responsible forL generating the HTML response which is sent to the web server (and onwards to the remote client).   K One of the advantages is that it isolates the data-server from the internetsN since it talks DECnet, leaving only the web server as a sole point of contact.9 And Decnet generally provides better security than TCPIP.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:56:59 +0200l= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t  Subject: Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web) Message-ID: <39DBA7AB.DA74CC99@gtech.com>r   Jennifer Tran wrote:H > Could someone please explain to me how DECnet/Alpha can be used as the$ > back end for Web ...Many thanks...  B DECnet is net protocol. Alpha is a hardware architecture. You have posted. to a news-group about VMS an operating system.  H Do you have an Alpha with VMS and DECnet and want to access data on that system from the web ?     Do the system also have TCP/IP ?   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:11:05 GMTO3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>p  Subject: Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web/ Message-ID: <39DBE29F.F2B9D281@cableinet.co.uk>n   Arne Vajhj wrote: >  > Jennifer Tran wrote:J > > Could someone please explain to me how DECnet/Alpha can be used as the& > > back end for Web ...Many thanks... > D > DECnet is net protocol. Alpha is a hardware architecture. You have > posted0 > to a news-group about VMS an operating system. > J > Do you have an Alpha with VMS and DECnet and want to access data on that > system from the web ?o > " > Do the system also have TCP/IP ? >  > Arne  E Arne, I think you are being a little hard :-) Even if it is homework,o isn'tu  it better we give a +ve message?  H To make best use if DECNET you need VMS, (silent Open). DECNET is a veryF efficient and basically well engineered network protocol, as is VMS an	 operatingd system.   E I personally installed a VMS version of one of the very earliest textu
 mode only E web browsers, now lost in the mists of time, on VMS back when the WWWH was just a  @ glint in particle physicists' eyes. Compaq have just announced a commercial release of G the industry standard Apache web server and the latest (is it still thep latest?) version MF of Java for OpenVMS, and there are also several other webservers, some of them freeware o and very good, available.   D VMS is a sharper tool than most operating systems. A small number of knowledgeable staff E can handle a large number of well deployed systems. It is amenable tor
 being managed_F on a day to day basis by someone who also has a more important role to fulfill, related to_C buisiness rather than technical needs, with experts external to the_ buisiness unit only needed _A for troubleshooting, upgrades etc. This is a rather unfashionable_ paradigm in IT at the   moment, but makes sense to some.  G VMS benfits from clustering technology that predates Unix and Microsofta solutions byF a decade or more, and is still so functional, reliable and robust that it amazes me? that it is less prevalent today than I would expect, for purelyn technical reasonspE anyway. VMS has been running reliably on 64-bit hardware for almost ai decade and  @ is undergoing continual techical enhancements, both software and
 hardware.   E I would suspect (:-)) that a well implemented VMS and run web serving  backend would D beat the shit out of any other solution with respect to reliability, uptime, buisinesscH integration and long term stability. Compaq have recently committed long term to VMS,! dispelling rumours of its demise.t  E If you would require any more advice on such matters, do feel free too
 contact me" by email and we can discuss terms.   Regardsa -- iA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.uk;  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:37:00 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>_! Subject: Re: DSSI bus terminationh' Message-ID: <39DB86DC.4809D044@iee.org>m   Douglas Taylor wrote:t >  > >c; > >> 2. If I don't terminate the DSSI bus, what can happen?r > >cG > >Same as an unterminated SCSI bus - it may or may not work, dependinga2 > >on load, access patterns, phase of the moon ... > >e > L > I have 3 disks on the DSSI bus, RF30, RF71 and RF72, they all seem to work > fineJ > but they make alot of noise.  Chattering mostly.  I think they were in a > cluster in aI > previous life, are the device names $1$DIA2 and the like 'normal' for aa > stand -alone
 > machine?  4 If it is configured with a non-zero allocation class0 then you will get names like the ones you quote.  : The noise is obviously nothing to do with the terminator -0 they're just letting you know they are alive :-)   Antoniog   -- r   ---------------.- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgs   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:21:59 -0400r, From: taterskins@patriot.net (Ramon L. Tate)! Subject: Re: DSSI bus terminationtD Message-ID: <taterskins-ya023480000410002221590001@news.patriot.net>  ; In article <8rfejn$4kk$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, "Douglas Taylor"0$ <taylor@crystal.nrl.navy.mil> wrote:   > >n; > >> 2. If I don't terminate the DSSI bus, what can happen?o > > G > >Same as an unterminated SCSI bus - it may or may not work, depending 2 > >on load, access patterns, phase of the moon ... > >t >  > L > I have 3 disks on the DSSI bus, RF30, RF71 and RF72, they all seem to work > fineJ > but they make alot of noise.  Chattering mostly.  I think they were in a > cluster in aI > previous life, are the device names $1$DIA2 and the like 'normal' for a. > stand -alone
 > machine?  H It was my understanding that the "chattering" noise is caused by thermalG recalibration, when the disk is trying to readjust its detection of thetK track patterns on the disk after they have shifted due to thermal expansionr or contraction.    -- t
 Ramon L. Tatet	 Casa Maaj= taterskins@patriot.net   "Skin" that "tater" before replying!w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:46:29 +0100c+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>s- Subject: Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web ' Message-ID: <39DB8915.5E1F1A9E@iee.org>   
 SCO wrote:# > By the way... What is a VIC  <:-)t  = The NVAX chip (it or a variant has been used in all the latert VAXen) has two on-board caches:a  ? a 2KB virtual instruction cache (VIC) which caches instructionsO0 (and only instructions) in virtual address space  ; and an 8KB physical cache that caches data and instructionss (in physical address space)S  = In some systems, the VIC is disabled which slightly decreasesn performance.   Antonioe   ---------------.- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org(   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:00:35 -0400h2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)- Subject: Re: Finding MicroVAX info on the web L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0510000000350001@user-2ivealg.dialup.mindspring.com>  @ In article <39DB8915.5E1F1A9E@iee.org>, arcarlini@iee.org wrote:  ? > In some systems, the VIC is disabled which slightly decreaseso > performance.  G Is this a microcoded version of "filling Q-bus slots with epoxy", whichy: also slightly decreased performance?  Sounds very naughty.   -- z Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 21:35:02 GMT>0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS* Message-ID: <8rg7q6$cku@usenet.pa.dec.com>   |>" |>> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/
 |>> Feedback?1 |> |>* No shark logo (why not?)  - 	Not an offical Compaq Logo.. I can't use it.E   |>* No link to VMS 7.3 featuresK  ? 	Coming.. after the annoucement stuff more 7.3 stuff will be upr^ 	but there is http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness_without_compromise/fact/openvms-v73.html   |>* No link to Hobbyist programt 	wA 	http://www.openvms.compaq.com/buy.html has a link. I need to putp. 	a couple of more and will tomorrow for friday  , |>* Broken links to eStore (access disabled)C 	That's fixed. We had a miscommunication with the store folks abouttC 	doing 'side door' entries. It should be fixed now. If you ever getdE 	one of those disabled links. Go to the main 'OpenVMS eStore' link in_F 	the marketplace and it will set up the access for getting in the side4 	doors. Also you need cookies enabled for the store.    & |>* AND NO BALLS FOR SALE AT eStore!!!  @ 	At least not this week.. Check back. There's other stuff we areB 	going to be putting into the store. One piece of feedback we wantC 	is what do you want to buy. Some stuff is easy and other stuff is AE 	REALLY hard to try and sell. Let us know at OpenVMSeStore@compaq.comt |>   -- IB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875t6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:59:54 +0200e2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender). Subject: Re: getting group name from UIC value; Message-ID: <39db620a.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>f  = Jean-Franois Marchal (jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr) wrote:nG : I need to check the group name of the current user within SYLOGIN.COMrC : The group may not be named, but in this case, I can use somethingr : of the form GROUP_12345 .  :o : Just beginning with ...  :n : $ NAMED_UIC = f$user(). : $ if f$element(0,",NAMED_UIC).eqs.NAMED_UIC)
 : $   then" : $   NAME = NAMED_UIC - "[" - "]"0 : $   UIC = f$identifier (NAME,"NAME_TO_NUMBER") : $   GROUP = ?????? : $   MEMBER = ??????t	 : $ endifa :e< : How should I extract group and member from the uic value ?   The numeric values are:i  4 	GROUP = UIC / %X10000      ! i.e. the upper 16 bits4 	MEMBER = UIC .AND. %XFFFF  ! i.e. the lower 16 bits  # You can get the group identifier by   ?    GROUP_ID = F$IDENTIFIER( UIC .OR. %XFFFF, "NUMBER_TO_NAME" )f  3 (i.e. the identifier associated with member %XFFFF)c   cu,u   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:37:40 -0600. From: "Warren Miller" <wrmiller@rmxglobal.com>( Subject: Re: Help w/ DHCP server, please  Message-ID: <39dba2f4_3@mercury>  I Being a TCP/IP neophite, I groped with a similar problem a few weeks ago. K But, after numerous iterations of trial and error I ended up with a workingD DHCP server.  L If you are using DHCPGUI (as I was), the parameter you need to set is hiddenI away in the ROUTERS field of the BOOTP PARAMETERS section of the SUBNETS,hI NODES and/or GROUPS tabs.  After setting a value for this field, you willoL find a "gw" record in the file [TCPIP$DHCP]DHCPCAP.  As I remember, you mustK also shut down and restart the DHCP server process to activate the changes.s  G The BOOTP PARAMETERS heading is quite misleading.  You can also set theiB values for your DNS servers in this section, and have these values downloaded as well.L    = For all you DHCPGUI users,  do yourselves a big favor:  go toD> www.join.com/support.html  and grab a copy of the "Join ServerL Administrator's Guide" and the "Join Server Concepts Manual".  DHCPGUI is anK OpenVMS port of the JOIN DHCP configurator code.  (This was the only usefulsE piece of information that I got from the CSC when I called for help!)e  
 Good luck,   Warren ___________________________h     Warren R. Miller Systems Managera RMX Global Logistics" wrmiller@rmxglobal.comnospamplease   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:54:24 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>m Subject: Re: Logical TablesS) Message-ID: <39DBA710.6A14FDAE@gtech.com>m   briggs@eisner.decus.org wrote:Y > In article <1001004031421.338A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes: . > > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Nivlesh Chandra wrote:M > >> There is this user whose account is giving some probs. There is a script Q > >> that is run that is supposed to change the SYS$PRINT logical to point to theTO > >> users local printer but this is not happening. I do not want to modify the O > >> script since this might cause some errors... is there anyway whereby I canr? > >> check the logicals of a user from a priviledged account???O > > * > > If you have enough privileges, you can > >d4 > > $ show logical/table=*/all/full/out=logicals.txt > F > This will check all shareable tables but it won't reach into processH > private tables, e.g. LNM$PROCESS_TABLE and LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY whichH > reside in process private address space.  To reach into those you need > higher powered tools.   5 I once wrote a EXTTRNLNM to do that. CMEXEC required.u   Arne   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 18:20:15 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: Logical TablesU/ Message-ID: <1001004181055.16011A@Ives.egh.com>H  ) On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Richard Brodie wrote:    > R > <briggs@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message news:I98tYoooNOke@eisner.decus.org...D > > In article <1001004031421.338A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos > H > > This will check all shareable tables but it won't reach into processJ > > private tables, e.g. LNM$PROCESS_TABLE and LNM$PROCESS_DIRECTORY whichJ > > reside in process private address space.  To reach into those you need > > higher powered tools.l > : > CLUE PROCESS/LOGICALS in SDA will get the process table.  A Just tried it.  Looks much better than my solution, since you can C zero in directly on the process.  You need to "SET PROCESS/ID=xxx" _G first.  (If you don't know the PID, SHOW SUMMARY will list everything, i like DCL $ SHOW SYSTEM.)  J The DCL SHOW LOGICAL/FULL command will show mode and attributes, though.  4 This info doesn't seem to appear in the SDA display.  % I needed to enable CMKRNL to do this.o   -- h John Santosh Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:51:14 -0400.) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netI Subject: Re: Logical Tables 9 Message-ID: <39dba717$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   J In <791C2856E8FDD211BAFB0008C759919501A6293C@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj>, on	 10/04/00  >    at 05:51 PM, Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> said:  J Odds are the script is working as well as can be expected.  If the logicalH isn't being redefined at the group or job level it is probably not being+ passed to the application trying to use it.S  A create a test version of the script.  At the point where you knowhH sys$print doesn't have the correct value stick in SHOW LOG SYS$PRINT and see what gets displayed.  ( Does this script work for everyone else?  I You can always stick DEFINE SYS$PRINT  blah_blah_blah in their login.com.    Roland  I >There is this user whose account is giving some probs. There is a scripteI >that is run that is supposed to change the SYS$PRINT logical to point tohD >the users local printer but this is not happening. I do not want toH >modify the script since this might cause some errors... is there anywayI >whereby I can check the logicals of a user from a priviledged account???F   >Niv   -- .; -----------------------------------------------------------sD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 01:43:57 GMTd3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>  Subject: Re: Logical Tablesa. Message-ID: <39DBDC45.41AC2E3@cableinet.co.uk>   John Santos wrote: > + > On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Richard Brodie wrote:c  n< > > CLUE PROCESS/LOGICALS in SDA will get the process table. > C > Just tried it.  Looks much better than my solution, since you canrD > zero in directly on the process.  You need to "SET PROCESS/ID=xxx"H > first.  (If you don't know the PID, SHOW SUMMARY will list everything, > like DCL $ SHOW SYSTEM.) > J > The DCL SHOW LOGICAL/FULL command will show mode and attributes, though.6 > This info doesn't seem to appear in the SDA display. > ' > I needed to enable CMKRNL to do this.e > @ But of course, SDA requires that, its quite a sharp tool really.  ! Richard, thanks for the SDA tip, r  c -- lA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.ukb  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of t! my employers or service provider.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 03:41:50 GMT-0 From: Timothy Stark <sword7@grace.speakeasy.org>8 Subject: Looking for 10BACKUP and DUMPER for VMS system.6 Message-ID: <1MSC5.6470$wx5.219286@news2.giganews.com>   Hello folks:  G I am looking for 10BACKUP and DUMPER software to access PDP-10 tapes on F VAX/VMS system.  I had searched some ftp sites for them but can't findF them.  Do anyone have a listing of ftp sites that have VAX/VMS stuffs?  
 Thank you!   -- Tim Stark   --  C Timothy Stark	<><	Inet: sword7@speakeasy.org, sword7@firesword7.net J --------------------------------------------------------------------------F "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that H whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.. Amen." -- John 3:16 (King James Version Bible)   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 18:58:40 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)w+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!m, Message-ID: <8rful0$1ivm$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  A Thanks to everyone again.  It turns out that just loading the new @ licenses year after year is not a good thing to do.  The problemC was apparently conflicts between these old licenses and the currentl> ones.  I did a "LIC DEL *" and then loaded just the new ones I4 actually needed and now everything works fine again.  ? Feeling so proud of myself for fixing this (with a lot of help)e= I decided it was time to venture in to the world of Clusters.o= Especially if faculty are actually going to consider using my A machines.  So I did my first cluster config.  On reboot, MultinetmA didn't come back up.  I got a console message saying "INTSTKPAGESs> needed to be atleast 10 and was only set to 6."  A look in the< manual said fix it in MODPARAMS.DAT.  So I did.  And another= reboot gave me the same thing.  So, the other alternative wasT@ SYSMAN.  So I ran it according tot he book and made the necesary? change and rebooted.  And I got the same message again.  Hmmmm.t? What is wrong with tis picture??  So I read further in the book @ and it talks about SYSGEN.  But it says don;t use it, use SYSMAN> or MODPARAMS.DAT, but only use SYSGEN as a last resort.  Well,? seemed like a last resort to me.  5 commands later I reboot and6C everything is back to normal.  Anybody care to try and explain whate> I might have done wrong that made MODPARAMS,DAT and SYSMAN not work??   bill [I'm slow, but I'm learning!!]   -- vJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   y   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 19:01:49 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)e+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!o, Message-ID: <8rfuqt$1ivm$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  1 In article <3OCT00.16230821@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>,s.  Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes: |> -8 |>   I'll agree with disabling the out-of-date licenses. |>      That's what it turned out to be.  I |> Er - at the risk of suggesting the trivial - what does SHOW TIME show?4  A Because of the apparent confusion between the behavior and what IrC could read in the PAKS, this was the first thing I thought of.  ThetC clock was off by one hour, which wouldn't have caused this problem,p3 but does point to an apparent problem with EST/EDT.d   bill   -- IJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 19:04:29 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) + Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!! , Message-ID: <8rfuvt$1ivm$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  O In article <1C717E03F77FAD89.302B95212ECB0AAE.9238DE5BAAB84AD7@lp.airnews.net>, 2  Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes: |>  G |> Have you checked the system date?  Sometimes that gets out of whack.o |> T> |> How long was the 4000-100 up?  Is the console battery good?  % System clock and TOY seem to be fine..   |>  J |> What was the board you added and have you tried removing it and booting	 |> again?m  E Oh sure, you had to ask that.  It was an Emulex Disk Controller.  :-)a  nJ |>        What about just pulling the Q-bus cables off the 4000-100 to seeH |> if it will boot OK?  (I can't imagine what on the Q-bus could cause a |> problem like this, though.)     I had tried that.t   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   t   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 19:07:37 GMT 1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)r+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!t, Message-ID: <8rfv5p$1ivm$4@info.cs.uofs.edu>  + In article <8rdker$md@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,s5  mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  |> -L |> XDM is part of Multinet and the Multinet license is not part of the CSLG.- |> Check the expiration date on that license.:  A True, but the Multinet License apparently doesn't expire.  I bulkeA deleted all the old licenses, so I can't prove it, but I think itVE was a conflict with DW-MOTIF licenses.  Everything in Multinet workedoE except for XDM, which is why I don't think it had anything to do withs the Multinet license.l   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 15:17:10 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>d+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!u/ Message-ID: <stn0icch7u5361@corp.supernews.com>s  > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message& news:8rful0$1ivm$1@info.cs.uofs.edu... >...E > everything is back to normal.  Anybody care to try and explain whatw@ > I might have done wrong that made MODPARAMS,DAT and SYSMAN not >...  B After modifying MODPARAMS.DAT you then have to do an autogen i.e.;  5     $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS REBOOT NOFEEDBACKg   --D For the pilot there is nothing as useless as sky above you or runway behind you,5C for the Usenet reader there is nothing as useless as mime code in aR message.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 OCT 2000 19:27:41 GMT.+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>/+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!n1 Message-ID: <4OCT00.19274195@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>t  2 bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: [snip]C > machines.  So I did my first cluster config.  On reboot, MultineteC > didn't come back up.  I got a console message saying "INTSTKPAGES-@ > needed to be atleast 10 and was only set to 6."  A look in the> > manual said fix it in MODPARAMS.DAT.  So I did.  And another? > reboot gave me the same thing.  So, the other alternative wasoB > SYSMAN.  So I ran it according tot he book and made the necesaryA > change and rebooted.  And I got the same message again.  Hmmmm. A > What is wrong with tis picture??  So I read further in the bookiB > and it talks about SYSGEN.  But it says don;t use it, use SYSMAN@ > or MODPARAMS.DAT, but only use SYSGEN as a last resort.  Well,A > seemed like a last resort to me.  5 commands later I reboot andHE > everything is back to normal.  Anybody care to try and explain whati@ > I might have done wrong that made MODPARAMS,DAT and SYSMAN not > work??  B Did you use AUTOGEN after editing MODPARAMS.DAT?  MODPARAMS.DAT is? a source for calculating appropriate sysgen parameters, not the ? parameters used by the system.  AUTOGEN uses MODPARAMS.DAT plusbD feedback info to generate new parameters and set them.  My preferred' sequence after editing MODPARAMS.DAT is   *    $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA GENPARAMS&    $ DIFF/PAR SYS$SYSTEM:SETPARAMS.DAT> if the changed values in the new SETPARAMS.DAT look okay, then"    $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SETPARAMS) or $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SETPARAMS REBOOT.  B Btw, when updating INTSTKPAGES did you use MIN_INTSTKPAGES in caseF AUTOGEN decides you need more?  I (very) rarely set a sysgen parameter w/o the MIN_ prefix.  D Wrt SYSMAN, it sounds like you updated the ACTIVE parameters and notD the CURRENT parameters.  The ACTIVE parameters are those in use now.D The CURRENT parameters will be used at the next reboot.  With SYSMAN you need to-      $ MC SYSMAN    SYSMAN> PARAM USE CURRENT<    SYSMAN> PARAM SHOW INSTKPAGES                  ! optional)    SYSMAN> PARAM SET INTSTKPAGES newvalue <    SYSMAN> PARAM SHOW .                           ! optional    SYSMAN> PARAM WRITE CURRENT   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVBH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 01:36:09 GMT 3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>e+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!!a/ Message-ID: <39DBDA70.52563025@cableinet.co.uk>    Bill Gunshannon wrote: > C > Thanks to everyone again.  It turns out that just loading the newnB > licenses year after year is not a good thing to do.  The problemE > was apparently conflicts between these old licenses and the current @ > ones.  I did a "LIC DEL *" and then loaded just the new ones I6 > actually needed and now everything works fine again. > A > Feeling so proud of myself for fixing this (with a lot of help)s? > I decided it was time to venture in to the world of Clusters. ? > Especially if faculty are actually going to consider using myAC > machines.  So I did my first cluster config.  On reboot, MultinettC > didn't come back up.  I got a console message saying "INTSTKPAGESm@ > needed to be atleast 10 and was only set to 6."  A look in the> > manual said fix it in MODPARAMS.DAT.  So I did.  And another? > reboot gave me the same thing.  So, the other alternative was B > SYSMAN.  So I ran it according tot he book and made the necesaryA > change and rebooted.  And I got the same message again.  Hmmmm.IA > What is wrong with tis picture??  So I read further in the bookdB > and it talks about SYSGEN.  But it says don;t use it, use SYSMAN@ > or MODPARAMS.DAT, but only use SYSGEN as a last resort.  Well,A > seemed like a last resort to me.  5 commands later I reboot andeE > everything is back to normal.  Anybody care to try and explain whatd@ > I might have done wrong that made MODPARAMS,DAT and SYSMAN not > work?? >   E Generally, SYSGEN ne SYSMAN PARAM should only be used for observation0F and as a sharp tool when you know what you are doing. Otherwise, stick withe the MODPARAMS.DAT route.  E My guess is that you didn't autogen the system before rebooting afterO you1G had edited MODPARAMS.DAT. I havn't been there with VMS 7 (learnt betteri :-))G but in VMS 6.x Motif would get stuck in a loop if one of the parametersh was too G low, continually rebooting and autogening but NOT adding an appropriateh entry ? to MODPARAMS.DAT. Easy to fix if its a satellite, just edit the 
 MODPARAMS.DATaH in the SYS$SPECIFIC root for that node from another node. If its booting offcB its own disk, you might even be able to mount the system disk from another E cluster node, add the appropraite entry to MODPARAMS.DAT, then rebooto and H get MOTIF to start. If its a stanalone node, its "root boot" (sorry, too manyA unix people in the office) or edt in line mode on the console :-(n  B See how neat a cluster is. Maybe I'm totally off the mark with the explaination" but you get the hints about MCSP?   6 So, next time, edit MODPARAMS.DAT, autogen the system,  1 $ @sys$update:autogen savparams reboot nofeedbackg  ; and get your head in the system managers docset. Good luck.c   > bill  > [I'm slow, but I'm learning!!]  A) It's ok, its better than unix, really :-)h   -- lA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.uk?  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of 0! my employers or service provider.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:04:28 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)+ Subject: Re: Looks like I need help again!! L Message-ID: <rdeininger-0510000004290001@user-2ivealg.dialup.mindspring.com>  ^ In article <stn0icch7u5361@corp.supernews.com>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote:  @ > "Bill Gunshannon" <bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu> wrote in message( > news:8rful0$1ivm$1@info.cs.uofs.edu... > >...G > > everything is back to normal.  Anybody care to try and explain what B > > I might have done wrong that made MODPARAMS,DAT and SYSMAN not > >... > D > After modifying MODPARAMS.DAT you then have to do an autogen i.e.; > 7 >     $ @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN SAVPARAMS REBOOT NOFEEDBACK     ^ I'll just add that the gory details are in the "System Management Utilities Reference Manual".   -- f Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:37:43 +0200g( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>5 Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3100 20e and ST15230N weirdness>& Message-ID: <39DB8707.F50C8C54@cli.de>   Chris Scheers schrieb: > J > OK, I know that this is old hardware and totally unsupported, but it hasB > me baffled and I was wondering if anyone had any insight on this
 > problem. > J > I added a pair of ST15230N (firmware 0638) drives to a MicroVAX 3100 20e >tF The ST15230N is a 4.2 GB HDD. You don't want to use them for booting ?G Bootdrives are restricted to 1GB max due to 2^21 sectors ax. accessiblea from the BIOS.   -- hH Microsoft broke Volkswagen`s world record: VW only made 22 million bugs!  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:31:19 -0500p/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>c5 Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3100 20e and ST15230N weirdnesssO Message-ID: <A8856E6FD52CAFBF.AE4DE38E0180881D.07F44D9A5E2AA89D@lp.airnews.net>a   Bernd Eckstein wrote:d >  > Chris Scheers schrieb: > >nL > > OK, I know that this is old hardware and totally unsupported, but it hasD > > me baffled and I was wondering if anyone had any insight on this > > problem. > > L > > I added a pair of ST15230N (firmware 0638) drives to a MicroVAX 3100 20e > >tH > The ST15230N is a 4.2 GB HDD. You don't want to use them for booting ?I > Bootdrives are restricted to 1GB max due to 2^21 sectors ax. accessiblen > from the BIOS.  l  A That problem is fixed in the 20e SCSI controller that I am using.C  H This isn't a problem with disk size.  It's a problem with strange values coming back in SCSI mode pages.t  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------/$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com m   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:00:53 GMTy+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>e$ Subject: Re: MicroVax 3100 Questions) Message-ID: <8rg29f$h4r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>'  2 In article <39D9F1ED.F68179FC@clarityconnect.com>,4   "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote:1 > Try this to reduce the size of the journal filei >s > $ MCR JBC$COMMANDg > JBC$COMMAND> DIAG 7o >  > Ram Rajadhyaksha wrote:e > > G > > Our disk space is running out on the system volume. Doing a search,h Iw@ > > determined that the file SYS$QUEUE_MANAGER.QMAN$JOURNAL;1 inF > > DKA300:[VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE] is growing every day. Is there anything I can do > > about this?   G For some other "VMS weeds" and how to keep them growing, see my post ate. http://x53.deja.com/=vz/getdoc.xp?AN=627210543   Chris-    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 18:26:06 GMTW* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)9 Subject: Re: New EDUC pricing- cluster and user licenses?l. Message-ID: <8rfsnu$43m$1@info.service.rug.nl>  6 In article <39DB5F66.BF9B720@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:   N > I aggree though, Compaq can't rest on its' or VMS's laurels in this venture,G > unless they MAKE it intersting for academics to get back into VMS, ite > just ain't gonna happen.  G Confucius say: Man who rest on laurels wear them on wrong part of body.e   ------------------------------   Date: 05 Oct 2000 02:28:46 GMT! From: scrtyfrk@aol.com (ScrtyFrk)h Subject: Newbie:  Mail: Message-ID: <20001004222846.09606.00000724@ng-ch1.aol.com>   Hello,  N I have recently become interested in VMS.  At my school they run 4 VMS systemsO (2 VAX/2 Alphas).  I have access to all for nodes but only thru telnet.  I want ! to know how to do certain things..  * The few things that I want to do/know are:  O 1) I would like to be able to autoreply to e-mails from certain addresses.  Can?@ one do such a thing using mail or do you need something external (program/utility)?  N 2) I want to run this even when I am logged off.  Is there a queue where I can9 leave this running or a method of doing it automatically?l  L I have been combing the internet for basic info learn more but so far I have not been able to find much.    Any help would be appreciated.   Francisco Javier   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 04:07:16 GMTn" From: frere <frere@powersurfr.com>  Subject: OpenVMS and MIT Cookies. Message-ID: <39DBFF3C.842147A8@powersurfr.com>  / Can someone who knows Unix and OpenVMS help me?t  E I need an OpenVMS program/function that will "put" an MIT Cookie on a-E Unix proxy server. The Unix people say that there is a program calledrF xauth that does it for Unix to Unix, but they don't know what it wouldC be in OpenVMS. I can't seem to find anything about an MIT Cookie onoC OpenVMS and I have a hard time understanding what they really want.n  F The application is using a proxy machine on both sides of the internetE to run SSH. The VAXen need to be put this cookie on the proxy machinesE before it will talk to us. I have looked at the OpenVMS SSH site, but 1 don't want to set up SSH on the VAXen. Any ideas?s   Thanks.l Gord Moore.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:52:50 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o Subject: Re: PF keys) Message-ID: <39DBA6B1.C3FAFECC@gtech.com>    Carsten Neuer wrote:L > Can anybody help me out, how I can use the PF1, PF2, PF3 and PF4 key on myJ > DEC/VMS system, when I'm logging onto it from a PC or a Unix workstation > thru a telnet connection???c  G For the PC see the documentation of your terminal emulator about how it"
 maps keys.  A Good terminal emulators map them to the 4 keys on the PC keyboardD& at the same locations as on a real VT.  * Unix telnet ? That may be more difficult !   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:59:44 GMT_* From: Roger Tucker <roger.tucker@wcom.com>3 Subject: Re: Porting Support (was Compaq VMS promo)p( Message-ID: <39DB6384.4C4F82CE@wcom.com>  D I would love to spend my time porting software to VMS, I had a great@ time with the port of FREECIV, but will someone actually pay me? That's the real question?D   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:47:21 -04002' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu><8 Subject: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape)' Message-ID: <39DB5F19.BACE5DF7@rpi.edu>s   Hello,H     We've got a VAX 8530, and need to know how to boot it from tape.  WeG have a TU81+ tape drive interfaced to the machine through it's own porttF on the back.  The way the machine boots, is rather interesting.  FirstB you power it on and load the microcode from the console.  The "VAXB Console" is basically a Pro380 microcomputer with it's own specialG interface to the machine.  Then, to boot the machine we run a script onlH the console (like "DEFBOO.COM") which punches a bunch of values into theF machine's registers, then loads the bootloader ("VMB.EXE"), and passesA control to it.  The values you punch into the registers basically E determine what device the machine boots off of.  As we're missing the G "booting from tape" portion of our console manual, we basically need to-F know what to put in our boot command file to boot the machine from the TU81+.   Thanks,g     Derek Konigsberg     konigd@rpi.edu   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:04:33 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>< Subject: Re: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape)( Message-ID: <8rg213$h8t$1@news.IAEhv.nl>   Derek,  @ if the 8530 can boot from tape then in the same PRO380 directory7 that holds DEFBOO.COM should be files called M*BOO.COM. : Either  B @<alternate com file> or rename it to DEFBOO.COM and boot it.4 If I can find the time I'll have a look on our 8550.  
 Hans Vlems  K Derek Konigsberg heeft geschreven in bericht <39DB5F19.BACE5DF7@rpi.edu>.... >Hello,tI >    We've got a VAX 8530, and need to know how to boot it from tape.  WetH >have a TU81+ tape drive interfaced to the machine through it's own portG >on the back.  The way the machine boots, is rather interesting.  FirstYC >you power it on and load the microcode from the console.  The "VAXuC >Console" is basically a Pro380 microcomputer with it's own special H >interface to the machine.  Then, to boot the machine we run a script onI >the console (like "DEFBOO.COM") which punches a bunch of values into the G >machine's registers, then loads the bootloader ("VMB.EXE"), and passesaB >control to it.  The values you punch into the registers basicallyF >determine what device the machine boots off of.  As we're missing theH >"booting from tape" portion of our console manual, we basically need toG >know what to put in our boot command file to boot the machine from theg >TU81+.a >a >Thanks, >    Derek Konigsbergs >    konigd@rpi.edut >e >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:47:09 +0200t= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>t' Subject: Re: Reset file version number?t) Message-ID: <39DBA55D.A9306D0C@gtech.com>T   Netsurfer wrote:E > Recently I did a housekeeping, and deleted few files which run-aways" > creating a large-number version. > F > How do I backup/restore the files to the original directory with newB > small-number version while keeping the original file permission,3 > attributes (owner,protections,date of creation)??e > 4 > ie.    from     abc.txt;1234567    to    abc.txt;1 > G > Using "Backup /owner=original" will usually generate the same version  > number stored in the saveset.    Use RENAME.a   Arne  . PS: And version numbers are limited to 32767 !   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 21:14:59 GMT & From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>6 Subject: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.) Message-ID: <8rg6kj$10o$1@kadath.deep.it>n  2 I was sure that it would never happen, but it did!F My PM asked me to give infos on time/cost needed to do some testing on OpenVMS.  ? I will contact ASAP local Compaq reseller, which I suppose willd: respond with something like "OpenWHAT?", in the meanwhile:  > 1) Our need is a platform for ASP (that is Application Service= 	Provider, not the Evil One). They asked me to look for CORBAa? 	compatibility. I think support for Java Servlet/JSP would be ao9 	nice thing too (I hate Java, but they follow the trend).   7 1a) Which are the other *DBMS avaliable beside Oracle?	u  = 2) I think I'll go for a DS10, maybe two of them to play withr= 	clustering. Or maybe I can do some significative test with aa8 	self-build alpha, or even a refurbished one? Which one?  F 3) Where to search for license pricing? I have an hardware reseller at 	hand, but not a software one.   4) I found the article atA; 	http://www5.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/pr2000100301.html	 ( 	interesting. How must I trust it (ehe)? 	Can I obtain more details?u   	startingly, 	   Cthulhu  -- a  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!i# 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>A   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:07:37 +0200n= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>N: Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.) Message-ID: <39DBAA28.2F92A40F@gtech.com>N   Cthulhu wrote:@ > 1) Our need is a platform for ASP (that is Application ServiceF >         Provider, not the Evil One). They asked me to look for CORBAH >         compatibility. I think support for Java Servlet/JSP would be aB >         nice thing too (I hate Java, but they follow the trend).  ? There are CORBA for VMS. I can not remember the vendors though.S  A I have not heard about servlets and JSP support for VMS - and VMS B are unfortunatetly a bit behind on the Java front, but it seems to< be catching up now, so maybe it either are there now or will arrive soon.  8 > 1a) Which are the other *DBMS avaliable beside Oracle?  A Oracle classic and Oracle RDB are the two major databases on VMS.WB But other smaller (and cheaper !) ones do exist. Sorry again I can not remember specific names.  ? > 2) I think I'll go for a DS10, maybe two of them to play with F >         clustering. Or maybe I can do some significative test with aA >         self-build alpha, or even a refurbished one? Which one?v  1 DPWS's are now down in an attractive price level.n   H > 3) Where to search for license pricing? I have an hardware reseller at' >         hand, but not a software one.n   Compaq !   (good luck)s   > 4) I found the article at C >         http://www5.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/pr2000100301.htmls1 >         interesting. How must I trust it (ehe)?f$ >         Can I obtain more details?  8 There are many positive signs for VMS from Compaq today.  < It appears as if they have realized that they can earn money from VMS also long term !y   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 21:23:51 GMT 0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander)/ Subject: RE: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logon* Message-ID: <8rg757$cku@usenet.pa.dec.com>   re: shark logo  B Vernon (the shark) was a logo that was used for OpenVMS before theH compaq merger. In fact it was mostly gone before that even happened when we did affinity   A That was the vertical Openvms with the globe thing in wire frame.t$ and that was at Washington DC decus.  B Anyway. No the shark isn't the offical OpenVMS logo [but at least A shell boy is gone] but it has found a place in the hearts of manyl& of our customers. I just can't use it.     -warrent -- rB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/  B ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:19:29 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logor, Message-ID: <39DBD71C.6F256E31@videotron.ca>   Warren Sander wrote:C > Anyway. No the shark isn't the offical OpenVMS logo [but at leastoC > shell boy is gone] but it has found a place in the hearts of manyn( > of our customers. I just can't use it.   Why can't you use it ?  L You just need to change the Digital to Compaq, and openVMS to VMS, and you'd2 have an updated, real logo that pleases customers.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 21:53:33 -0400a) From: "Joseph B. Gurman" <gurman@ari.net> / Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logou= Message-ID: <gurman-B7C1F3.21533304102000@news.crosslink.net>e  6 In article <39DBD71C.6F256E31@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:e   > Warren Sander wrote:E > > Anyway. No the shark isn't the offical OpenVMS logo [but at leastuE > > shell boy is gone] but it has found a place in the hearts of many.* > > of our customers. I just can't use it. >  > Why can't you use it ? > I > You just need to change the Digital to Compaq, and openVMS to VMS, and - > you'd 3 > have an updated, real logo that pleases customersi  @     Gee, and I though apple had identified the shark with their 3 PowerBook G3's.... and look where _their_ stock is.9  H     Seriously, though, it wouldn't hurt if Compaq invested in an easily H recognizable logo for OpenVMS, even if it would be too much to hope for D that it could appear on shrink-wrapped, third-party software like a E certain, silly, multicolor window/flag or a smirking, two-faced grin.                      Joe Gurman   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2000 02:42:13 GMTMO From: ccburgess@uqstu.jdstory.uq.edu.au (Ian Burgess, University of Queensland)nA Subject: Re: Spawn fails with "%SYSTEM-W-MBFULL, mailbox is full" . Message-ID: <8rgpq5$lmf$1@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au>  - John Briggs,  briggs@eisner.decus.org writes:l/ >Ian Burgess, University of Queensland) writes:nG >[snip major diagnostic work that rules out almost everything but which4L > reveals a dependency on how much data is passed through the spawn mailbox] >e >Theory: > F >System service resource wait mode has been turned off.  IIRC, mailboxD >full ordinarily manifests by hanging the writer in RWMBX.  If we'reK >getting "mailbox full", this means that resource wait mode has been turned  >off.  >b >$ HELP SYSTEM $SETRWM >o' >	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.orgc   Brilliant!  Thanks, John.3  G I had doubled and redoubled DEFMBXBUFQUO and DEFMBXMXMSG before gettinge+ any sort of reliability out of spawn et al..   But SYS$SETRWM explains it. B I had ported a Reminder program from Vax with some difficulty.  ItI is called during SYS$SYLOGIN, but does nothing in batch or detached mode,HE hence no problems with spawn in those cases.  It does call SYS$SETRWM-D so must be the culprit.  Never caused problems on Vaxes, so may be a; difference in Alpha/Vax or VMS 6/VMS 5 or my porting badly.h   Thanks everyone...   Cheers,y        Ian cG -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --2G Ian Burgess                                     I.Burgess@its.uq.edu.aunG Information Technology Services                 Phone:   61 7 336 54074  Prentice Building # The University of Queensland       b BRISBANE AUSTRALIA 4072g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:26:59 +0200o= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: SWCC and Pathworkso) Message-ID: <39DB5A53.46ACF9CD@gtech.com>o   Mike Price wrote:e > Thanks to those who replieds > A > Turns out that we had also tried to start up Samba on the Alpha2 > I > when we stopped samba and pathworks and then restarted pathworks it allt? > connected OK - looks like pathworks and samba won't co-exist.t  / That sound very natural to me. How could they ?-   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 18:19:06 GMT71 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)y8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX., Message-ID: <8rfsaq$1i4r$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  E In article <5OjC5.12053$TP6.180193@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,Q3  "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes:  |>E |> 2) What can Multinet do that UCX can't (what will we be giving up)i  D It's been a while since I installed Multinet, but I think one of theA main reasons I went with Multinet over UCX (which I had installed E first) was support for XDM.  Of course, if you have no X-clients thateA probably isn't important.  Since installing Multinet I have neverSA looked back and I plan to run Multinet on my Hobbyist machines asi9 well.  Count me among the long list of pleased customers.    bill   -- oJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   1   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 15:40:52 -0400E0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001004154052.01c42460@discovery.fuentez.com>  C Me too, Bill....Also they had solid dhcp support long before it wasn available in ucx.n  J We always found Multinet to be a very feature-rich and robust product withK EXCELLENT SUPPORT. (IMHO...They fixed bugs and addressed problems in a muchn  more timely fashion than DECpaq.   Just my .02- Regards,   Jim2  % At 06:19 PM 10/4/2000 GMT, you wrote:(4   Count me among the long list of pleased customers. >2 >bill9 >. >-- K >Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolves E >bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.l >University of Scranton   |nB >Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>    > 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-s7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemsr Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAs  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235o Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com n        jhjennis@shentel.net-& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:49:48 +0200M= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>a8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.) Message-ID: <39DBA5FC.B9ED7F26@gtech.com>a   Mike Flaherty wrote:6 > We are thinking of migrating from Multinet to UCX... > N > 1) Is UCX bundled AND supported with the VMS license (i.e. is there an extra
 > charge)?   It is not bundled.  B Most/all newer Alphas was sold with a NAS license that covers UCX.  D > 2) What can Multinet do that UCX can't (what will we be giving up)  A The gap has shrinke a lot the last 5 years. You wil have to studyeA SPD's, but my guess would be that IMAP4 are one of the few thingsI missingk in UCX.   I > 3) Does UCX come with any migration tools.  For example, will I have to 6 > recreate all of my TCP/IP print queues from scratch?   I guess so.0   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 20:06:19 GMTe= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)g+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileb0 Message-ID: <009F11A5.7EE8EAB6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <01JUY94BM4W2004XQ6@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:h >Uwe Zessin wrote: >?2 >>In article <009F1016.82C7B928@SendSpamHere.ORG>," >>  system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >>[...]d3 >>> >> > > > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:kE >>> >> > > > > Well, I too am 28 and I've been working with VMS sincem >>> >> > > > > 7BC.  ;)  >>> >> > > > >>[...]-F >>> I was afraid folks might have considered the 7BC to 7 years before >>> Compaq.k >>E >>Oh, that's nothing. When I saw it the first time I saw the ';)' and-( >>thought you meant '7 before christ'... >o> >I thought Uwe meant that he had seen your web-site photos :-) >tK >Actually, Brian is sortta photogenic (according to my wife, who likes the s1 >toy-boy look).  Sorry Brian, couldn't resist :-)e  ^^^^^^^ Please explain...2   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMo             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 11:13:46 -0700n1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)t Subject: Re: Unidata, Message-ID: <p+E3sBePEvda@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  M In article <OF56131CB8.F9A2BF77-ON8325696E.005FF21A@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, a0      fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes: > Read this ...t > G > "OpenVMS is terrific from a systems management point of view,"  (...)  > J > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/testimonials/unidata/unidata.html >   	    ROTFL.o  J    Several years ago i tried to install a new administrative package on anH Alpha running VMS. This application used Unidata as its DBMS. The vendorE nominally supported the application on VMS, but when their technician F came to install it he made comments like "practically nobody uses thisE on VMS, it's much better on Unix". He also suggested that Unidata wasdD planning to drop their VMS port in the near future. They effectivelyF pressured us into dropping VMS from the system and relicensing it with? Unix. This broken promise of VMS support was one of the factors@2 that led to the later dropping of the application.  A   Perhaps the application vendor was lying or perhaps Unidata hasdD changed their tune in the intervening years, but it's hard for me to: see Unidata and VMS in the same sentence without cringing.    Curiously, the quote:  E        "Our resellers, who sell turnkey solutions by adding their ownBL         applications to systems running Unidata's RDBMS, are very happy withG         the Alpha platform," says Truman. "We've heard nothing but goodm2         things about Alpha systems in the field."   G   says nothing about VMS, only Alpha. My experience was that the vendoraL was quite happy with Unidata on Alpha/Unix but had no interest in supportingH it on VMS. There's nothing in that quote which suggests otherwise to me.    &   disclaimer: purely personal opinion.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 14:48:32 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>M Subject: Re: Unidata/ Message-ID: <stmuspgemruae3@corp.supernews.com>g  > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:p+E3sBePEvda@malvm1.mala.bc.ca... > ...r< > nominally supported the application on VMS, but when their
 technicianC > came to install it he made comments like "practically nobody usesk thisC > on VMS, it's much better on Unix". He also suggested that Unidata- was-F > planning to drop their VMS port in the near future. They effectively > ...a  F We recently had a consultant who worked for Oracle telling us the sameC thing about Oracle on VMS. People tend to give you their own narrow  view of the world.  C >   Perhaps the application vendor was lying or perhaps Unidata hasmF > changed their tune in the intervening years, but it's hard for me to< > see Unidata and VMS in the same sentence without cringing. > ...i  F In a previous life I had Unidata on a VMS Alpha. Unidata never gave meC the impression that support for VMS was going away. Many of vendorsc0 customers converted to Unidata/VMS after we did.  E Several lifetimes ago I was looking at Unidata as a possible solutionSD to a problem but stayed away since I kept hearing that Dick Pick wasE planning on suing Unidata out of existence. That rumor faded away andtA Unidata and VMS created a great environment for this application.      --D For the pilot there is nothing as useless as sky above you or runway behind you, C for the Usenet reader there is nothing as useless as mime code in at message.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 18:58:11 -0000 - From: wspencer@nospam.ap.org (Warren Spencer)  Subject: Re: Unidata3 Message-ID: <8FC390254wspenceraporg@207.126.101.97>e   Hi,i  L I've seen an application called TSW running on a UNIDATA database on VMS in K two locations; one was a nuclear plant (ouch) in upstate NY, and the other  I a metals manufacturer.  The nuclear plant still uses it - so I doubt the OC vendor has plans to drop VMS support - otherwise the nuke would be w scambling to get off it.   ws   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 12:48:29 -0700f1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)l Subject: Re: Unidata, Message-ID: <liKbRj6DX0mx@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  0 In article <stmuspgemruae3@corp.supernews.com>, 1   "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:  > D >>   Perhaps the application vendor was lying or perhaps Unidata hasG >> changed their tune in the intervening years, but it's hard for me top= >> see Unidata and VMS in the same sentence without cringing.  >> ... > H > In a previous life I had Unidata on a VMS Alpha. Unidata never gave meE > the impression that support for VMS was going away. Many of vendors:2 > customers converted to Unidata/VMS after we did. > G > Several lifetimes ago I was looking at Unidata as a possible solutionsF > to a problem but stayed away since I kept hearing that Dick Pick wasG > planning on suing Unidata out of existence. That rumor faded away and.C > Unidata and VMS created a great environment for this application.g >   D     That's good to hear. The vendor we worked with certainly gave usA the impression Unidata/VMS was a dead end. Perhaps they were justr# covering up their own inadequacies.M   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 12:44:40 -0700o1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)n Subject: Re: Unidata, Message-ID: <v$ye53d7PL4M@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <p+E3sBePEvda@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>,  7     nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:a >  >  Curiously, the quote: > G >        "Our resellers, who sell turnkey solutions by adding their ownDN >         applications to systems running Unidata's RDBMS, are very happy withI >         the Alpha platform," says Truman. "We've heard nothing but goods4 >         things about Alpha systems in the field."  > I >   says nothing about VMS, only Alpha. My experience was that the vendoraN > was quite happy with Unidata on Alpha/Unix but had no interest in supportingJ > it on VMS. There's nothing in that quote which suggests otherwise to me. > H    I should note the vendor I'm referring to is not the one mentioned inI this quote. I have never done business with that vendor and can't commentiK on their support of VMS applications - I'm merely noting he doesn't exactlye3 say he's hearing good things about VMS, just Alpha.    ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 16:43:44 -0400r/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)u Subject: Re: Unidata* Message-ID: <8rg4q0$lk4$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <liKbRj6DX0mx@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>,2 Malcolm Dunnett <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote:1 >In article <stmuspgemruae3@corp.supernews.com>, g2 >  "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes: >> hE >>>   Perhaps the application vendor was lying or perhaps Unidata hashH >>> changed their tune in the intervening years, but it's hard for me to> >>> see Unidata and VMS in the same sentence without cringing. >>> ...n >> hI >> In a previous life I had Unidata on a VMS Alpha. Unidata never gave me F >> the impression that support for VMS was going away. Many of vendors3 >> customers converted to Unidata/VMS after we did.o >> CH >> Several lifetimes ago I was looking at Unidata as a possible solutionG >> to a problem but stayed away since I kept hearing that Dick Pick was2H >> planning on suing Unidata out of existence. That rumor faded away andD >> Unidata and VMS created a great environment for this application. >> - >-E >    That's good to hear. The vendor we worked with certainly gave us-B >the impression Unidata/VMS was a dead end. Perhaps they were just$ >covering up their own inadequacies. >u  
 The web page:x  L   http://www.ardentsoftware.com/support/techsupport/policies/retirement.html  8 doesn't really give the rosiest outlook for Unidata/VMS.  J I was curious about this product, as I had heard of it years ago and foundI this page by doing a search at http://www.unidata.com/ .  Gee, isn't that D what anyone would try if they wanted to find out about this product?   -Jordan Hendersond jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 17:31:15 -0400- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>. Subject: Re: Unidata/ Message-ID: <stn8fol9r9bb07@corp.supernews.com>L  < "Jordan Henderson" <jordan@lisa.gemair.com> wrote in message$ news:8rg4q0$lk4$1@lisa.gemair.com... >...2 > >In article <stmuspgemruae3@corp.supernews.com>,4 > >  "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes: > >>C > >> In a previous life I had Unidata on a VMS Alpha. Unidata neverb gave me  >... > The web page:a >  >mF http://www.ardentsoftware.com/support/techsupport/policies/retirement. html > : > doesn't really give the rosiest outlook for Unidata/VMS. > ...M    8 I did say that it was "in a previous life" didn't I :):)  C I see that in 09/97 Unidata merged with some other company but kept A the Unidata name. Then in 10/97 Unidata and Universe (who used to D offer a board with its own CPU and memory that plugged into a 750 soD you could have Pick running on your VMS box - once you have 20 usersC on the Pick CPU then VMS would go into 100% interrupt mode, and all F non-Pick users would stop working) and once that was approved in 02/989 by the shareholders the company renamed itself to Ardent.-  C It was the people from Universe who first told me to stay away fromrB Unidata since Dick Pick was going to sue Unidata. Then we had that* rumor repeated by two application venders.  F I guess the testimonial on Compaq's site is also from a previous life.     --D For the pilot there is nothing as useless as sky above you or runway behind you,mC for the Usenet reader there is nothing as useless as mime code in ae message.   ------------------------------   Date: 5 Oct 2000 05:15:37 GMT . From: pap3@dana.ucc.nau.edu (Paul Allen Panks)* Subject: Update to the translation project) Message-ID: <8rh2pp$2f3$1@usenet.nau.edu>i   Hello,  L Just a brief update on the Westfront PC translation project to the following systems:   o - Macintosh (68k)M o - Unix/Linux o - Apple II/IIe
 o - TRS-80 o - Tandy 1000 o - Sinclair ZX Spectrum o - Atari 400/800e o - TI 99/4A o - Coleco ADAMM o - DEC Rainbown o - Amstrado  > There are others planned; CP/M, in particular, would be a fine: choice. For more information on planned releases, go here:  . http://www.geocities.com/dunric/westfront.html  # The source for translation is here:c  + http://www.geocities.com/dunric/wftrans.zipe  3 From an older version, 7.00 dated November 4, 1999.e  6 (You may need to copy and paste URLs into URL location3 bar of browser, as Geocities is picky about offsiten download links)   C I've been doing some research during the brief moments of free time-2 I have on weekends, and have noticed a few things:  5 o - Most BASICs before 1978 had only minimal commandso" o - Many BASICs were 8K (standard)- o - Most flavors of BASIC had A0-Z9 variablesr% o - Some didn't have string variablesS1 0 - Most had access to RIGHT$,LEFT$,MID$ and STR$a8 o - Some used MATEAD Var%(x,y) for subscripted variables; o - Many machine specific statements such as COLOR, CLS and 0     LOCATE did not appear until 1982 (IBM BASIC)  : I also noticed some odd structure usages on some machines:   (Honeywell 600/6000)   940 LET X=L\LET Y=M\GOSUB 830a  A "\" is used in place of the now common ":" separator. Easy enoughs
 to translate.s  D LET appears to be optional on later versions of BASIC (1978 onward).  = I am also aware that file handling is machine specific, i.e.:    OPEN f$ FOR OUT AS 1 PRINT #1 CLOSE 1c  @ Is an example of an older BASIC that printed output to a printerA or screen (but could also direct output, via special programming,s/ to a cassette player for tapes or a disk drive)t  5 I looked at APPLE BASIC and noticed this weird usage:.  
 D$=CHR$(4) OPEN D$"DATA.DAT SREADFILE"i OPEN D$"DATA.DAT SWRITEFILE" CLOSE D$"DATA.DAT"  5 Something like that, anyway (this is all from memory)   5 A final note is that some (most?) older BASICs before : Extended BASIC was introduced lacked IF/THEN/ELSE, DO/LOOP and CASE statements. o   So...M  8 I am going to be making some assumptions about the BASIC; used, the speed, the monitor/television screen capabilitiesb and required STATEMEMTS:    	 Required:y	 ---------s  2 DIM (must support integer _AND_ string variables!) LET (optional) REM  FOR/NEXT TO. READ (MATREAD can be substituted if necessary) DATA PRINT (Obviously...) INPUT (Obviously...) IF THEN GOTO (or GO TO)f GOSUB (or GO SUB)i LEN  VALt TAB| INTa RND  RESTOREn	 RANDOMIZE  ON (GOTO, GOSUB) ABSi MID$ LEFT$  RIGHT$ STR$ CHR$   Not required, but helps  -----------------------    LOCATE (or clone)n CLS (or clone)K COLOR (* - Westfront PC was written in COLOR to differentiate it from other-L            text adventures that use only one color...Read: Boring!...If yourK            system does not support a feature of or equivalent, then we have H            a problem...IF your system doesn't support color, then PLEASEL            say it at least supports HIGHLIGHTING, UNDERLINING or BOLD...thisH            would be a decent alternative to non-COLOR supported systems)  3       (** - And 8 or 16 colors would be nice, too!)t  @ If I've missed any, then please let me know at: dunric@yahoo.com   Memory Requirementso -------------------e  M I'm going to try to squeeze as much as possible from WFPC into an 8K BASIC...oV Yes, it's going to be hell trying to squeeze the first continent (1,014 rooms) of WFPCZ (Overall: 1,572 rooms) into 8K, but there are ways around the variable usage (i.e. reading in rooms from disk, tape, etc)  ^ There are tons of empty rooms...they don't need to be included. The Frequently Asked Questions5 (F.A.Q.) anad Maps for Westfront PC are located here:a  * http://www.geocities.com/dunric/faqmap.zip  , Just copy and paste into URL bar of browser.  + So PLEASE have your system at least handle:3+ --------------------------------------------  0 o - 500-1200 total lines of BASIC code (minimum)J o - IF/THEN/ELSE statements (so I can squeeze as much as possible into 8K)  o - Integer and string variables@ o - Tape/Disk file commands, i.e. OPEN/CLOSE,PRINT#,INPUT#, etc.> o - 360KB of Disk space (You could use two disks if necessary)N o - At least 40 columns of text per line (It uses, or will use, line wrapping)  # If you'll notice from this picture:g  * http://www.geocities.com/dunric/tavern.jpg  _ Color is VERY important to gameplay (room specific commands are highlighted in gray, directions ^ and other things in yellow, and rooms in white. I also like to use green and purple a lot (for  the inventory and other things).   Necessary commands:  -------------------t  ! Westfront PC is a text adventure.'  , Certain commands are necessary, some aren't:  l I can make concessions on certain commands, i.e. when a player GETs an object, if it can be worn or wielded,_ then the computer will automatically equip it for the player, without having to use WIELD, WEAR-# or REMOVE commands. Same with DROP.   Y BUY and SELL are absolutely necessary. The player needs a way to purchase and sell items.R] FIGHT (or an equivalent) is absolutely necessary. The player needs to gain experience points,c@ find new weapons and armor, and pass certain trials in the game.  Q OPEN and UNLOCK are necessary, but LOCK isn't. USE is necessary, and so is CLIMB.m7 LIGHT is necessary (e.g. LIGHT TORCH), but ENTER isn't.   - SAY is semi-necessary; just adds to the game.e9 EXAMINE (and the shorthand, EXA) is absolutely necessary.w  < PUT is absolutely necessary. SEARCH is absolutely necessary.  I I'm probably forgeting several commands, but you get the general idea. :)   S If you have any questions, comments, suggestions, inquirements or otherwise, please> send me electronic mail via:   dunric@yahoo.com  O If ADVENTURE could be crammed into 16K, then I don't see why WFPC can't either.o   Regards,   Paul dunric@yahoo.com           -- --P ********************************************************************************  E           Few cats act their age, while most just cough up fur balls.E  P ********************************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 17:05:38 -03000) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra$ Subject: VMS Mail - Sending binariesL Message-ID: <OF4A725075.B6120970-ON8325696E.006E0F3D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G Is there a way to send by VMS Mail  a .PDF file attached   (I have SMTPm configured andJ it works fine) and extract it in Win platform ???? I am testing it and the binary comes in theo body of the message . ..     Fabio C.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 17:23:58 -0400T/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) ( Subject: Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries* Message-ID: <8rg75e$qg5$1@lisa.gemair.com>  L In article <OF4A725075.B6120970-ON8325696E.006E0F3D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>,-  <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote:tH >Is there a way to send by VMS Mail  a .PDF file attached   (I have SMTP >configured andtK >it works fine) and extract it in Win platform ???? I am testing it and thef >binary comes in the >body of the message . ..  >t  C It's been a few years, but I've done this with UUENCODE.  A workingsE UUENCODE is on the Freeware CD (V4 for sure, earlier?).  You can get . it here, also:  -   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/UUE/   G Just UUENCODE the .PDF file and include this, as text, in your message.    >n	 >Fabio C.M >n >e   -Jordan Hendersont jordan@greenapple.comy   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 00:01:27 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>D( Subject: Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries) Message-ID: <39DBA8B6.3086EE62@gtech.com>i  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:I > Is there a way to send by VMS Mail  a .PDF file attached   (I have SMTPa > configured andL > it works fine) and extract it in Win platform ???? I am testing it and the > binary comes in thet > body of the message . ..   Several possibilities:  2 1)  manual encode on VMS, email and manual decode.  ; 2)  get a SMTP package on VMS that automatically translatesr-     SEND/FOREIGN to a BASE64 MIME attachment.u   3)  use FTP instead of email.s   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 02:13:41 GMTm3 From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk>c( Subject: Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries/ Message-ID: <39DBE33D.94355E64@cableinet.co.uk>a  @ Come on Compaq, give us a decent 21st century mail tool for VMS,# line mode and Motif style, please. x  = Or maybe the people who bought PMDF. Much better if it comes r  installed out of the box though.    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > I > Is there a way to send by VMS Mail  a .PDF file attached   (I have SMTPl > configured andL > it works fine) and extract it in Win platform ???? I am testing it and the > binary comes in thed > body of the message . .. > 
 > Fabio C.   -- eA Home: Tim.Llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk Work: Tim.Llewellyn@bbc.co.ukt  C Standard disclaimer applies. My views in no way represent those of  ! my employers or service provider.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 22:19:18 -0400r# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>i( Subject: Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries' Message-ID: <39DBE526.157F@adldata.com>p  - Why not use Pine for email with attachments. D7 You can send attachments, receive and save attachments.  All from a terminal session.   sol gongolar    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > I > Is there a way to send by VMS Mail  a .PDF file attached   (I have SMTP  > configured andL > it works fine) and extract it in Win platform ???? I am testing it and the > binary comes in the- > body of the message . .. > 
 > Fabio C.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:17:30 +0400* From: "Yuri Ermakov" <ermak@cbr.ryazan.su>( Subject: Re: VMS Mail - Sending binaries/ Message-ID: <8rh0uk$5hd$1@summer.cbr.ryazan.su>V   Example:   $ UUE :== $TCPIP$UUENCODE.EXEt $ UUE FILE.PDF FILE.UUEd $ MAIL MAIL> SEND FILE.UUEc To: SMTP%"user@domain.com"  % <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>sH : news:OF4A725075.B6120970-ON8325696E.006E0F3D@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...I > Is there a way to send by VMS Mail  a .PDF file attached   (I have SMTP8 > configured andL > it works fine) and extract it in Win platform ???? I am testing it and the > binary comes in them > body of the message . .. >p >r
 > Fabio C. >n >.   ------------------------------   Date: 4 Oct 2000 19:43:14 GMT * From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)  Subject: Re: volume set copying.) Message-ID: <8rg18i$a5j$1@hecate.umd.edu>s  Y In article <8rebr3$fh4@usenet.pa.dec.com>, "krish" <a.krishnamoorthy@digital.com> writes:  >nL >I am trying to take a image backup of a bound volume set onto another bound >volume set.  H I don't know the exact procedure, but I'm sure it's listed in the BACKUP? manual.  Have you checked it?  Look at the online documentationn  ) http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/  andp= http://www.openvms.digital.com:8000/72final/6258/6048pro.html   I From my experience with making image copies of volumes, the target volumen< always has to be mounted /FOREIGN .  Two ways come to mind:   J 1) mount each target volume /FOREIGN, then specify multiple devices in theN output parameter of the BACKUP command (it seems you already tried this and it failed); orn  O 2) use the /VOLUME=n input qualifier (along with /IMAGE) to select files from a N particular volume member of the volume set and write them to a specific outputG vollume.  Don't use /NOINIT, because you want an exact copy; let BACKUP.F initialize the drive properly.  Repeat for each volume member, using a different output device.  J I've no idea if method 2 will work, btw; it's just a WAG.  I'd consult the1 documentation before doing the operation, though.d   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 22:11:52 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>  Subject: Re: volume set copying.( Message-ID: <8rg2ev$i6r$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  F If the source and destination volume sets have identical volumes then:  * $ back/image/noinit disk$data: disk$datas:   is sufficient.A The real problems start if you want to reduce a volume set to onen
 large disk...   
 Hans Vlems  C krish heeft geschreven in bericht <8rebr3$fh4@usenet.pa.dec.com>...i >hL >I am trying to take a image backup of a bound volume set onto another bound >volume set. >-  >These are the steps i followed. >4. >I have 4 disks dkb300 , dkb400, dkb500 dkb600 >e= >1 -  initialize dkb300 and dkb400 with label test0 and test1m? >2-   initizlie    dkb500 and dkb600 with label test2 and test3  >n$ >3- after that i gave a command like >I/ >     mount/bind=data dkb300,dkb400 test0,test1  >"D >    this created the bound volume set and the logical disk$date was created.+ >    then i create some files on that......  > J > 4 - then i mounted the target volume set with a similar command like the >one i gave above. >e3 >       mount/bind=datas dkb500:,dkb600 test2,test3I0 >       this created the target boud volume set. >tG >Now my objective is to  take a image backup of the source bound volumeMI >set(dkb300, and dkb400) to the target bound volume set( dkb500, dkb600).  >SG >Could somebody suggest me a command that can perform the backup of thet7 >source bound volume set to the target bound voume set.k >cL >I have one more question, some one suggeste me to dismount the target boundJ >volumse set, after making them a volumset, and suggested me to mount them, >foreign and issue a backup. some thing like >oC > after step 4,  dismount dkb500 and dkb600, and mount them foreigne >separately.$ >and then issue a command similar to >e7 >   backup/image/noinitialize disk$data dkb500:,dkb600:w >.$ >  But this gives me an error saying >nG >  %BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE, /IMAGE specification must have only device namea >uI > could somebody suggest me a command to backup a volume set, and tell meg howd> >a mount/foreign command perform backup of a bound volume set. >a >n >  thanks in advance	 >  -Krishd >t >o >--iA >"Courage is the price that life extracts for granting peace with- >yourself."Amelia Earharta >  >, >O >2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 13:47:00 -0400:- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s= Subject: Re: What exactly happens when a terminal dissappearsr, Message-ID: <39DB6D12.4D50FE34@videotron.ca>   Mike Price wrote:rI > The problem we have at the moment is that when the terminal disappears,eH > either by a telnet session being terminated from a PC or by  DSR beingH > dropped from a LAT terminal server with DSRLOGOUT set on the port, the0 > the exit handlers do not seem to be executing.  L I am not sure if this applies to the types of connections your have, but VMSK has the ability to keep a session in a coma for a certain amount of time in N case the user manages to reconnect (at which point, the user is prompted if heM wishes to reconnect to his previous session right after the username/passwordoD prompt). (I beleive it is the "Disconnect" feature in SET TERMINAL).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 23:50:54 +0200d= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>o/ Subject: Re: Why does TYPE/TAIL sometimes fail?y) Message-ID: <39DBA63E.437739BE@gtech.com>f   Colin Blake wrote:Z > TYPE/TAIL only handles records up to 512 bytes. This restriction is really only there to] > make dealing with VAR/VFC files easier. It really doesn't need to be there for stream filesh  > and could probably be removed.  8 It should !  That restriction is pretty over-stringent !   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2000 05:05:36 GMT + From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)e, Subject: www.networks.digital.com retired...0 Message-ID: <A_TC5.69$w71.4446@news.goodnet.com>  K  As most of you probably know from recent posts, 'www.networks.digital.com'sG went off the air a few weeks ago.  Don't know about anyone else, but ofnA course I _needed_ something from that site so started sending web " feedbacks to Compaq.  Every day.    E Well they surprised me.  For the first time since the takeover, after @ numerous complaints about web problems, they actually responded.  C Now the bad news.  The response I got was that the Digital networksdG site has been 'retired' and there are no plans to being it back online. G This site had the bulk of archived firmware, documentation, and generaliE information about DEC network products (Cabletron/Enterasys/DNPG only C seem to have the more recent information, and have not responded to 1 email asking about older products and downloads).s  B In addition, any of the remaining "Search DIGITAL.COM" pages (like> the one at www.digital.com/SPD) will now fail, since they usedA cgi that was at the 'search.digital.com' site; that site has beeneC redirected to 'search.compaq.com', but apparently the cgi and other C support directories were not moved/ported/whatever.  The response Is: got from web feedback on this one was totally nonsensical.  > As an added note; I could still get to pages listing 'archive'= network information links for digital products.  All of these A links pointed to networks.digital.com and are now dead.  So the Qs> decided to retire a significant site without even bothering toA correct or remove the links on their own site that pointed to it.   E I just wish I could even be surprised by this kind of thing any more.b  D I'm done with web feedback.  Hitting the FAQ to find names higher up> the food chain to question on the continuing 'issues' with the& website and DEC product information...   Rich Jordan  rjordan@mcs.netd   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.556 ************************