1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 07 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 561       Contents: Re: COPY/FTP syntax  Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web  Re: Exec vs Super ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS  Re: heap manager? 2 Investor and Stock Holder . . . .PLEASE READ TODAY Re: Newbie:  Mail  Re: Problems buying an Alpha?  Re: Problems buying an Alpha? 1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware. 1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware. 1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware. 1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.  Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears 
 Re: Vax Basic 
 Re: Vax Basic $ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ?? You will like it !!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:03:35 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: COPY/FTP syntax) Message-ID: <39DF3B47.FC0DD83D@gtech.com>    teroconnor@my-deja.com wrote: A > COPY/FTP/verb login.com oilcom"administrator xxxxxx"::login.txt 1 > 220 oilcom Microsoft FTP Service (Version 4.0).  > Connected to OILCOM.* > 331 Password required for administrator.' > 530 User administrator cannot log in. 2 > %FTP-E-LOGINFAIL, Failed to login at remote host9 > -FTP-I-REPLYTEXT, 530 User administrator cannot log in.  > 221   6 So FTP on the NT system are setup not to allow FTP'ing in as administrator.  / > COPY/FTP/anon login.com oilcom::C:\Foobar.dat 2 > %FTP-E-LOGINFAIL, Failed to login at remote hostF > -FTP-I-REPLYTEXT, 530 User myuser@vmsserv.ourlan cannot log in, home
 > director > y inaccessible.   ; So anonymous FTP does not work either. I can not completely 9 understand the error message, but it is definatetly setup  problem on the NT side.    Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2000 04:16 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)   Subject: Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web, Message-ID: <7OCT200004161565@gerg.tamu.edu>  # richard_maher@my-deja.com writes... G }As far as RTR goes, if you wanted to add a very expensive, superfluous 5 }layer of crud, then you could do what Mathias said.    C I have no idea if it is crud or not since I have never used it, but E it is aparnetly no longer expensive: according to the info on OpenVMS B v7.3 that has been released, RTR now comes with it. Why? I have noE idea. I can't imagine that all that many sites actually use it (maybe F that's why?), especially comapred to clustering (which would be a much more useful thing to include).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:00:51 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: Exec vs Super) Message-ID: <39DF3AA3.BD159E32@gtech.com>   * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:J > My grey cells aren't functioning well right now.  My question is EXEC vsG > Super mode for logicals.  EXEC requires sysnam to create, but doesn't G > appear to ever "win" when same name defined in SUPER mode.  I vaguely I > remember there is a case where EXEC wins but can't put my finger on it.  > Anyone clarify this?  D When you do a logical translation you can request that only logicalsC in a certain mode or more priviliged are to be considered (even the # lexical F$TRNLNM has this feature).   E Most applications especialy user-written uses the defeault USER mode, 6 which means that logicals in all modes are considered.  : Some applications including some parts of VMS specify EXEC: mode s only logicals defined in executive and kernel mode< are considered (the point is that sinde creating logicals in@ theese modes require privs, then they can somewhat be considered more reliable/secure).   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2000 04:08 CST' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) 0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS, Message-ID: <7OCT200004082851@gerg.tamu.edu>  ) "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> writes... D }>BTW - when you say you can't upgrade from VAX to Alpha, there's no) }>TECHNICAL reason this needs to be true.  } J }False.  The TECHNICAL reason is that the applications we use DON'T RUN ONJ }THE ALPHA and the vendors WON'T PORT.  That's as about as technical as it }gets  }-- D }..Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com  8 That is not a technical reason, it is a vendor decision.  G It isn't any more technical than Compaq not porting the new software to J the VAX from the Alpha where it is developed. Just like there is generallyG no technical reason the VMS engineers couldn't add the new "Alpha only" F stuff to the VAX version of VMS, there is also no technical reason whyE the 3rd party's couldn't port fromthe VAX to the Alpha. The reason is E generally one of expected financial benefit and available resources - + it has nothing to do with technical issues.    --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:25:59 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS) Message-ID: <39DF3277.AC5D9E1B@gtech.com>    JF Mezei wrote:  > Jordan Henderson wrote: ( > > This is entirely hypothetical right? > > N > > If not, which Digital middleware tools were not ported from OpenVMS/VAX to > > OpenVMS/Alpha? > I > Message Router comes to mind. (as well as all the Digital and 3rd party  > gateways that had existed).  > L > I beleive some pointed to some of the CDA converters that were not ported. >  > Did they ever port PATCH ?   Nope.   > But I am not sure I would like a product that considered PATCH middleware !   :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 16:48:33 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: heap manager?) Message-ID: <39DF37C1.E72ECB23@gtech.com>    Rob Eisink wrote: J > I'm looking for a heap manager for OpenVMS Alpha. Is there any? Any good
 > suggestion?    Heap manager ?  " I am not quite sure what you want.  = Something to monitor heap space to track down a memory leak ?   6 A set of routines for memory allocatioN/deallocation ?   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 18:34:50 +0900  From: iis6@apexmail.com ; Subject: Investor and Stock Holder . . . .PLEASE READ TODAY ( Message-ID: <B0000114088@monde.monde.to>   STOCK WIZARD For MONDAY, October 9, 2000    0 EARLY RELEASE TO MEMBERS AND GROUP LEADERS ONLY!   / After Our 105% GAIN ON HOWTEK INC. NASD: HOWT,  	 OUR NEXT   STRONG BUY RECOMMENDATION IS:     SWLL Softwall Equipment (OTC-BB)  Take a good look at this one= Strong Rumours of Major Promotion and Newsreleases This Week!    A SWLL Closed  FRIDAY, October 6 at  $ 1.31 for a GAIN of OVER 44 % P Picked by Multiple Newsletters For Week of October 9 to 13 with Target of $5.00 , Rumours of Major News to Come out This Week!   
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 - hot swapH - the exetrnal storage cabinet are not that expensive as I understand it   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 23:24:08 +0800 - From: David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> & Subject: Re: Problems buying an Alpha?? Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20001007232408.007974b0@mail.bigpond.com>   / At 04:42 PM 10/7/00 +0200, Arne Vajh=F8j wrote:  >David Mathog wrote:H >> In article <1gfkts8h5s67sn6q1ordpcdjevj10gueqq@4ax.com>, Ray Swadling  <ray@rgscomputing.co.uk> writes:H >> >Well, my current site works through a reseller, and I've just spec'dE >> >and ordered three DS10-based systems. Each system only has 6x18GB  >>=20 K >> That must make things awfully snug inside the case - as there are only 3 K >> drive slots in a DS10.  Hopefully some of these were ordered configured=   forJ >> external use or did you really want 3 spare drives for each system ;-). > G >I think many sites order a DS10 with no internal disks and an external * >storage cabinet with the necesarry disks.  I I have tried to order DS10s with NO internal disk but COMPAQ WON'T DO IT!  (not in Australia anyway)    >- no limit of 3 disks >- hot swap I >- the exetrnal storage cabinet are not that expensive as I understand it  >  >Arne   D The latest systems we get are DS10, 1 internal disk (used to be SCSIA but is now IDE), two external cabinets, six or more disks for the < cabinets and use host-based volume shadowing.  A nice setup.     Regards, Dave. I ------------------------------------------------------------------------- I David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.com I DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htm I "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2000 16:22:50 GMT & From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>: Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.) Message-ID: <8rnikq$198$1@kadath.deep.it>   + Arne Vajh?j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:   * >> DEC C 6.x doesn't include C++ compiler?? > DEC C and DEC++ are separate products with separate licenses.    Ach.  ' > The freeware idea and the GPL are OK.   & Their implementation, not so often. :(   	testingly, 
 	  Cthulhu   --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! # 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2000 16:23:52 GMT & From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>: Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.) Message-ID: <8rnimo$19d$1@kadath.deep.it>   $ Brian Tillman <tillman_brian> wrote:  A > Why would they?  A FORTRAN compiler doesn't handle Pascal.  Why  > would a C   / As some one noticed, "Gnu Software Syndrom". :P   
 	illingly,
 	  Cthulhu   --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! # 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2000 16:28:34 GMT & From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>: Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.) Message-ID: <8rnivi$19j$1@kadath.deep.it>   + Arne Vajh?j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:    [Apache]G > I tried a long time ago, but got stuck because I was on UCX 4.x then.   > I still not have tried it, so I hope it will do what they say.@ And, unlike linux apache+mod_ssl, it doesn't keep killing itslef without any info on logs.   / > Digital Personal WorkStation 500au and 600au. ; > Because DS10's have been shipping in large quantities for > > some time now, then used DPWS's has reached something I will  > call a realistic price-level !   Good. " Can they be clustered by ethernet?  F > I am not a lawyer, but I would think not. Testing an application for1 > later commercial usage sounds commercial to me.   D But we'll would buy regular licenses when and if that thing would goD in production... should we buy OpenVMS + Cluster + C++ licences just to see if we like that thing? " I'll ask to the Montagar people...   	conflictingly,  	   Cthulhu  	  --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! # 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2000 16:30:58 GMT & From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>: Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.) Message-ID: <8rnj42$19p$1@kadath.deep.it>   1 Zane H. Healy <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:   @ >> I know that someone around here will sneer at this point. >:]O > Sneer at that point?  A lot (if not most) of us here would *LOVE* to see one    A But I can remember someone in this group wich... uhm... "ate" the , programming style of GNU/Freeware coders. ;)   	lurkingly, 
 	  Cthulhu   --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! # 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    ------------------------------   Date: 7 Oct 2000 16:20:00 GMT & From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears) Message-ID: <8rnifg$192$1@kadath.deep.it>   3 Adri Koopman <a.koopman@markgraaf.nl.nospam> wrote:   = > DEC-VAXVMS-VMS72_PCSI-A0100--4.PCSI-DCX_VAXEXE, which is an   D Is this kit reserved for registered / paying people, or do you thinkA that can be put somewhere where can be downloaded from hobbyists?   
 	askingly,
 	  Cthulhu   --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! # 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 10:21:29 +02009 From: "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr>  Subject: Re: Vax Basic% Message-ID: <8rmmeh$100$1@wanadoo.fr>   O As always with computer, all yes all of them, since the beginning to the end of  times...B just create the bug or create the solutions to solve them   ;-))))   -- Michel HERRSCHER Consultant  mhc@herrscher.fr Tl : +33 (0)450 870 912 Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741 Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711  E Malcolm Dunnett <nothome@spammers.are.scum> a crit dans le message : ! AFSj1nboiSys@malvm1.mala.bc.ca... E > In article <OF99C7314D.132A5839-ON88256971.0001C704@HEALTHNET.COM>, ( >    Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com writes: > > O > > Agreed. I've been away from it for a couple of years now, but I always used N > > to say: "If it can be done in BASIC, I can do it. If it can't, sometimes I% > > can still do it in BASIC anyway."N > >X? >    There's nothing you can't do in BASIC, you just have to beO > creative :-) >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 17:08:06 +0200p= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>g Subject: Re: Vax Basic) Message-ID: <39DF3C56.EFBEFB6C@gtech.com>e   Robert Taylor wrote:1 > I'm looking for a VMS Basic ng - any pointers ?e   This is it.p  F comp.os.vms/INFO-VAX covers all VMS questions: user - administration -D programming - hardware - VMS - DCL - Compaq/Digital products - third party products -	 etc.etc..   H So for a question about either VMS specific features in Basic for VMS orH how to use Basic to do VMS specific stuff, then this is the rigth forum.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:04:03 +020000 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??C* Message-ID: <39DF1133.37C7F4F8@Easynet.fr>   Clemens Wermelskirchen wrote:e >  ../..eH > In regards to the old Digital network products, you certainly all knowE > that the Digital network engineers, who were acquired by Cabletron,.> > are now continuing their business as an independant company.6 > This new company, DNPG, was present in LA and alive. > See http://www.dnpg.comI  ( This is VERY valuable info. Many thanks.   D.   ------------------------------  + Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 01:03:29 -0700 (PDT)t From: ebestways@yahoo.como Subject: You will like it !!- Message-ID: <0G210090AVPQHY@mx.west.saic.com>    Hi ,a Discover is a simple, yet brilliant system that will work for you and anyone in the world to get   cash.  HOW DOES IT WORK? d The one-time expense is $38.00. There are six levels. All you need to do is refer 10 people, who in _ turn refer 10, six levels deep and you will have earned over 5 Million Dollars in cash; enough m\ money that you will be "set for life". This cheat-proof mathematical system guarantees your \ success. 100% assured Satisfaction and if for any reason you are not happy, it's refundable.  b This Web site will expose a Referral Program "Hidden Factor" that will give you the ability to be U SUCCESSFUL in this BEST and Fastest Networking System. Be sure to use the calculator o available. s
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