1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 562       Contents: Re: Basic freeware CD problems Re: BASIC media  Re: BASIC media   Re: CETS2000 or DECUS Symposium? comp.org.encompass.us  Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: Compaq VMS promo Determining terminal IP address P Earn 200 - 300 US$ per day behind your computer! Here's absolute thebest income * Re: Putting some *zip* back in our apps...* RE: Putting some *zip* back in our apps...* Re: Putting some *zip* back in our apps...1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware. 
 Re: Vax Basic  VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: volume set copying.  Re: Welcome to Encompass! $ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:32:26 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> ' Subject: Re: Basic freeware CD problems ' Message-ID: <39DF7A4A.FD4C39FF@iee.org>   " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > K > I remember a friend who normally used that one way back in 5.5-2, 'coz it F > surprised me when I first saw him do it. I'm pretty sure it wasn't aF > locally set up symbol, because we used to have to log in to a lot of9 > customer sites and he claimed it always worked for him.   : I'll bet it worked a lot further back that V5.5-2 as well!  7 You only need a synonym (e.g. R for RUN) if the minimum 6 abbreviation you wish to use is not unique (R could be4 lots of stuff and RU could be either RUN or RUNOFF).  @ At some stage LOCALE came along and so the abbreviation LO wouldB no longer have worked. I also recall LOTUS being available - if itE was and they registered with the registrar, then that might have been  an earlier cause.    Me, I'm safe with EOJ :-)    Antonio      --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:04:00 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>  Subject: Re: BASIC media, Message-ID: <39DF73A0.3B4DF4C@earthlink.net>  * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: >  > All, > L > I have the hobbiest distribution on my Alpha.  It comes with a license forI > BASIC but no distribution media.  What is the best avenue for obtaining I > the software distribution?  Plunking down the full $500 with DEC.  As I J > recall that was the cost for my commercial VAX system back when I set it > up.   A At CETS2000 the DFW folks announced plans to start distributing a E hobbyist's layered product CD (maybe a set if they won't all fit on a  single CD). Tune in to:   ! http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/   / ...and watch for anouncements and further info.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 00:23:15 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net  Subject: Re: BASIC media9 Message-ID: <39dff6cb$4$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   1 In <39DF73A0.3B4DF4C@earthlink.net>, on 10/08/00  G    at 12:23 AM, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> said:   + >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:  >>   >> All,  >>  M >> I have the hobbiest distribution on my Alpha.  It comes with a license for J >> BASIC but no distribution media.  What is the best avenue for obtainingJ >> the software distribution?  Plunking down the full $500 with DEC.  As IK >> recall that was the cost for my commercial VAX system back when I set it  >> up.  B >At CETS2000 the DFW folks announced plans to start distributing aF >hobbyist's layered product CD (maybe a set if they won't all fit on a >single CD). Tune in to:  " >http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/  1 >....and watch for anouncements and further info.   G Will this announcement come before or after they announce they actually  have the freeware CD again?    --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 15:59:56 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ) Subject: Re: CETS2000 or DECUS Symposium? - Message-ID: <39DF8ECC.76E5F411@earthlink.net>    Didier Morandi wrote:  > I > What is the CETS2000 Symposium taking place in Los Angeles this week? A  > new name for DECUS Symposium?  >  > [just a question]   E Well, the new name for t.o.f.k.a. DECUS is "Encompass". The future of  symposia may be interesting.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:49:37 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> Subject: comp.org.encompass.us2 Message-ID: <8roqs2$bgc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  H If anyone knows how to get a "comp.org.encompass.us" newsgroup created IF would appreciate it.  I don't have the knowledge or cycles to do it...     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc E =====================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 04:40:04 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)" Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us( Message-ID: <EUSD5.4158$R6.14948@insync>  % Jeff Killeen (Jeff@Killeen.cc) wrote: H : If anyone knows how to get a "comp.org.encompass.us" newsgroup createdJ : I would appreciate it.  I don't have the knowledge or cycles to do it... :  :     : http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/$ How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 00:17:15 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net  Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo 9 Message-ID: <39dff577$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   0 In <39de107f$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>, on 10/08/00 G    at 12:17 AM, "Graham Bennett" <Graham.Bennett@gems5.gov.bc.ca> said:   H Powerhouse is a 4GL, not a database itself.  Although it is a wonderfullJ package and can give you database like access to RMS files.  I try to findG a PowerHouse contract every 3 years or so in order to keep current with  it.    Roland  J >Alan Greig wrote in message <39c77a18.1124658914@news.newsguy.com>... >OnF >Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:31 +0200, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> >wrote: >>G >>>Database vendors are another important segment. How many run on VMS? N >>>Adabas/Natural and Oracle/Rdb and it seems to mee that the latter is trying >>>to  >>>get rid of VMS. >>H >>Oracle is most certainly not droping RDB on VMS. They've dropped it on >>NT and Tru-64 but *NOT* VMS. >>$ >>CA Ingres isn't going away either. >>    , >Cognos Powerhouse is another viable option.       --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 22:15:07 -0400 , From: Stephen Eickhoff <operagost@email.com>( Subject: Determining terminal IP address) Message-ID: <39DFD8AB.80FCC88A@email.com>   F Is there a way of determining a terminal's IP address with f$getdvi? I' can't figure out which argument to use.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 02:34:22 +0200 4 From: Annette & Lars Bertilsson <zxccxz47@yahoo.com>Y Subject: Earn 200 - 300 US$ per day behind your computer! 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 Sincerely, Lars & Annette Bertilsson     N You were listed as an opportunity seeker and this mail is sent to you in good  faith.  ? If you were not the intended recipient of this message, Please    accept my apologies and delete.   P This message is sent in compliance of the proposed bill SECTION 301 per Section  301,O paragraph (a) (2) (c) of S. 1618. Further transmission to you by the sender of   thisO e-mail may be stopped at no cost to you by sending a reply to: onupp@yahoo.com   with% the word Remove in the subject line.     ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 14:29:28 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 3 Subject: Re: Putting some *zip* back in our apps... - Message-ID: <39DF7998.602AF659@earthlink.net>   
 fooguy wrote:  > H > Our oh so poorly designed A/R database (Oracle) needs to be dumped andF > reloaded, and our AP/GL package needs to have a convert/fdl done. An > amazing coincidence. > F > I was pondering an image backup and restore on the RAID array, and IG > wondered if anyone had any suggestions as to the order this should be G > done in? The file system, then Oracle and the RMS files, or the other 
 > way around?   D I don't get the connection. How is BACKUP/restore going to magically& reorganize the databases or RMS files?   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 20:20:49 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> 3 Subject: RE: Putting some *zip* back in our apps... D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD833@berry.mvpsi.com>  I Do the Oracle and RMS reorgs and then the backup/restore.  The Oracle/RMS H reorgs may lead to fragmented files which the backup/restore will solve.   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: fooguy [mailto:jweisen@my-deja.com] ) > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:33 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 1 > Subject: Putting some *zip* back in our apps...  >  > H > Our oh so poorly designed A/R database (Oracle) needs to be dumped andF > reloaded, and our AP/GL package needs to have a convert/fdl done. An > amazing coincidence. > F > I was pondering an image backup and restore on the RAID array, and IG > wondered if anyone had any suggestions as to the order this should be G > done in? The file system, then Oracle and the RMS files, or the other 
 > way around?  > 	 > Thanks,  > John >  > --/ > ********************************************* * > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." >  > /* > John Eisenschmidt . > fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org > (you know the drill) > */ >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 23:39:05 GMT ! From: Ian Parker <parker@gol.com> 3 Subject: Re: Putting some *zip* back in our apps... & Message-ID: <TLIN7BAkL735Ew2m@gol.com>  ? In article <39DF7998.602AF659@earthlink.net>, David J. Dachtera $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes >fooguy wrote: >>  I >> Our oh so poorly designed A/R database (Oracle) needs to be dumped and G >> reloaded, and our AP/GL package needs to have a convert/fdl done. An  >> amazing coincidence.  >>  G >> I was pondering an image backup and restore on the RAID array, and I H >> wondered if anyone had any suggestions as to the order this should beH >> done in? The file system, then Oracle and the RMS files, or the other >> way around? > E >I don't get the connection. How is BACKUP/restore going to magically ' >reorganize the databases or RMS files?  >   > It won't, the question is about the order of the operations.    < If you expect the CONVERT/FDL and Oracle rebuild to increaseA fragmentation, do it first.  Then do the backup/restore to remove  unnecessary fragmentation.     --  
 Ian Parker   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 19:23:25 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> : Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.) Message-ID: <39DF5C0D.2C4A07EC@gtech.com>    Cthulhu wrote:- > Arne Vajh?j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote: 1 > > Digital Personal WorkStation 500au and 600au. = > > Because DS10's have been shipping in large quantities for @ > > some time now, then used DPWS's has reached something I will" > > call a realistic price-level ! >  > Good.  > $ > Can they be clustered by ethernet?   Yes.   H > > I am not a lawyer, but I would think not. Testing an application for3 > > later commercial usage sounds commercial to me.  > F > But we'll would buy regular licenses when and if that thing would goF > in production... should we buy OpenVMS + Cluster + C++ licences just > to see if we like that thing?o$ > I'll ask to the Montagar people...   There may an alternative.u  G Compaq/Digital has a loan program for people that want to try somethingU before buying !   C The program is not that well-known. And I have no idea whether theyb< will consider your case. You may even have problems locatingA the rigth people within Compaq to ask. But it may be worth a try.e   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 00:13:12 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netp Subject: Re: Vax Basic9 Message-ID: <39dff47b$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>-  1 In <39DDEB30.E353AC00@jpmorgan.com>, on 10/08/00 -@    at 12:13 AM, Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> said:  0 >I'm looking for a VMS Basic ng - any pointers ?  I Not really.  If you go into the BASIC newsgroups and ask about a languaget7 as advanced as VAX BASIC you get a lot of blank stares.m   Roland   -- e; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 00:57:41 GMTu& From: "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca>$ Subject: VMS databases for hobbyist?6 Message-ID: <9EPD5.597$iY1.12813@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>  G Are any commercial databases available for VMS hobbyist (at no charge)?e   Marco    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 00:24:43 -0400e) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net ( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?9 Message-ID: <39dff745$5$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>-  ; In <9EPD5.597$iY1.12813@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>, on 10/08/00  6    at 12:24 AM, "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> said:  H >Are any commercial databases available for VMS hobbyist (at no charge)?   >Marco  G No, but if you scrounge around in the FTP sites you can find source foriI freeware databases.  Ingres used to release really old versions of itselfeG for free on other platforms.  Perhaps an old version of VMS Ingres (are?% there any others?) will be out there.    Roland   -- t; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------e   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 21:29:22 +03000 From: "Teijo Forsell" <teijo.forsell@compaq.com>  Subject: Re: volume set copying.6 Message-ID: <8rnq20$ep5$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  E The command below is correct. May be You left the colons off from thee3 command line; the exact error is seen if you do so.p   Rgds,    Teijo,     > >aF > >  after step 4,  dismount dkb500 and dkb600, and mount them foreign > > separately.-' > > and then issue a command similar to  > >0: > >    backup/image/noinitialize disk$data dkb500:,dkb600: > >c' > >   But this gives me an error saying$ > >pJ > >   %BACKUP-F-IMGFILSPE, /IMAGE specification must have only device name > >0L > >  could somebody suggest me a command to backup a volume set, and tell me howyA > > a mount/foreign command perform backup of a bound volume set.I > >  > >   thanks in advance  > >   -Krish > >m > > --D > > "Courage is the price that life extracts for granting peace with > > yourself."Amelia Earhart >w >    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sat, 7 Oct 2000 23:47:19 -0400& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!2 Message-ID: <8roqma$mqg$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  I > Has the "encompass" name been officially scanctioned worldwide with alliI > remaining decus chapters worldwide adopting that name, or is that a USA. only > name ?  L US only - The US will likely license it for free to any Chapter who wants it: and agrees to adhere to our style guide usage requirements  $ > Does Encompass also include ITUG ?  I Nope - Encompass and ITUG are NOT merging but we are seriously discussinglF ways to work together.  ITUG may also be discussing stuff with the old remaining DECUS groups...      --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc-E =====================================================================-: "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39DE289C.EF0725A2@videotron.ca... > Jeff Killeen wrote:: > >CH > > Effective this week Encompass is accepting Sustaining memberships no matter0 > > what the person's country of residence is... >o > Good move. > I > Has the "encompass" name been officially scanctioned worldwide with all I > remaining decus chapters worldwide adopting that name, or is that a USA  only > name ? >a$ > Does Encompass also include ITUG ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 03:38:29 GMTa+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)p- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??e2 Message-ID: <V_RD5.226$VB1.29567@news.goodnet.com>   > Clemens Wermelskirchen wrote:  >> e >../..I >> In regards to the old Digital network products, you certainly all knowdF >> that the Digital network engineers, who were acquired by Cabletron,? >> are now continuing their business as an independant company. 7 >> This new company, DNPG, was present in LA and alive.. >> See http://www.dnpg.com >s) >This is VERY valuable info. Many thanks.n >n >D.o  I There is useful info on the DNPG site, but not much for older equipment,  G or for items that Cabletron/Enterasys decided to keep (Roamabout).  AllnG that data and downloads were on www.networks.digital.com and are, as of=H now, _apparently_ not available _anywhere_.  At least no place that I've been able to locate...   Rich Jordan5 rjordan@mcs.netJ   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.562 ************************