1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 08 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 563       Contents:? ??== Delete an interface from the TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DAT file.  A Personal Invitation to You! # Re: Determining terminal IP address  Determining terminal IP address # Re: Determining terminal IP address  Re: Exec vs Super  Re: Exec vs Super  Re: Exec vs Super  Re: Exec vs Super  Re: Exec vs Super 3 Get Viagra at the lowest prices available anywhere! ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS  ISVs what about SAP  Make a Solid Income on the Web) Mini Scooters and Fitness items ON SALE !  Re: Newbie:  Mail  Re: Newbie:  Mail ' Powerhouse ( was Re: Compaq VMS promo ) 3 Re: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape) 1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware. 1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware. 1 Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.  Re: SYSMAN can use DECnet  Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears + Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. $ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??$ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??, Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 18:25:54 +0100 , From: aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de (Hans M. Aus)H Subject: ??== Delete an interface from the TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DAT file.D Message-ID: <aus-0810001825540001@wvia30.virologie.uni-wuerzburg.de>  D How can I delete an interface from the TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DAT file?  G Originally the Alpha had two ethernet cards, one of which I've removed.   J Now the system starts correctly with the first WE0 interface but complains about the second, missing card:   : error defining interface WE1; failure on internet ACP QIO;M no such device available; invalid interface name; cannot delete inteface WE1;  etc   $ Set NOINTERFACE also reports errors:   TCPIP> set nointerface  WE1 P %TCPIP-E-DELINTER, cannot delete interface WE1; review additional messages to co
 rrect problem , -TCPIP-I-ACPQIO, failure on internet ACP QIO, -TCPIP-E-INVINTERNAM, invalid interface name  H The configuration file still contains the WE1 interface. Somewhere along@ the way both cards ended up configured to the same IP address :[    # TCPIP> SHOW CONFIGURATION INTERFACE  Interface: WE0E    IP_Addr: x.x.x.1       NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: x.x.x.255  Interface: WE1F    IP_Addr: x.x.x.1       NETWRK: 255.255.255.0     BRDCST: x.x.x. 255 Interface: LO0?    IP_Addr: 127.0.0.1         NETWRK: 255.0.0.0         BRDCST:    TCPIP> sh interface 8                                                  PacketsD Interface   IP_Addr         Network mask         Receive   Send  MTUE WE0        x.x.x.1           255.255.255.0       455       18    1500 B LO0        127.0.0.1           255.0.0.0         2          2    0    ' OpenVMS 7.2-1 Alpha TCPIP Services 5.0a    --  B Cheers, Hans M. Aus, Wuerzburg, Germany,  aus@vim.uni-wuerzburg.de   ------------------------------  + Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 03:40:06 -0700 (PDT) , From: Bruce Simpson <hub20001@excite.com.au>& Subject: A Personal Invitation to You!B Message-ID: <4916535.971001606383.JavaMail.imail@batty.excite.com>  & I am personally inviting YOU, to join,  , for Free, Readership, in one of the fastest   / growing, Highly reccommended, Weekly, Internet     Business Newsletter.    / Subscribe TODAY, for FREE and YOU will receive:   * FREE DOWNLOADS - FREE OFFERS - FREE SITES,  * Plus a lot more informative material that   * will help YOU to get the best out of Your   + computer and to assist You, IF you want to     Make Money on the Internet.   , Would you like to have FREE ACCESS to Tips,   ( Ideas, Suggestions,Comments, etc of many  ) of the Internets, BEST entrepreneurs and    
 Money Makers?                SUBSCRIBE TODAY! NOW!                   And Make It Happen!  "         hub@cyberinternet.com.au    %     with "Subscribe" in Subject line.                 7 _______________________________________________________ <  Get 100% private, FREE email for life from Excite Australia#  Visit http://inbox.excite.com.au/     ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 06:07:17 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie), Subject: Re: Determining terminal IP address( Message-ID: <paUD5.4163$R6.14805@insync>  - Stephen Eickhoff (operagost@email.com) wrote: H : Is there a way of determining a terminal's IP address with f$getdvi? I) : can't figure out which argument to use.  :   I f$getjpi("","TT_ACCPORNAM") will return the IP address, or the node name,  if reverse DNS is available.  < The string returned by F$GETJPI may have one of two formats:    o "144.5.155.25" '  o "Host: 144.5.155.25     Port: 1174 "   C See Message-ID: 8icodc$44k$1@joe.rice.edu for more on that subject.   / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:03:05 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>( Subject: Determining terminal IP address7 Message-ID: <200010081003_MC2-B626-45D6@compuserve.com>   ( Message text written by Stephen EickhoffG >Is there a way of determining a terminal's IP address with f$getdvi? I ( can't figure out which argument to use.<           Yes!  H         A message worded the way yours is tempts me to be cruel but I'll even tell you what it is.    $ SAY:=3DWRITE SYS$OUTPUT - $ SAY F$GETDVI(<device_name>, "TT_ACCPORNAM")    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 09:17:59 -07007 From: "Graham Bennett" <Graham.Bennett@gems5.gov.bc.ca> , Subject: Re: Determining terminal IP address+ Message-ID: <39e09ee2$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   ' Multinet format:    "node.sub.dom/port"   D TCP/IP Services v5.0a (rlogin):    "Host: xxx.yyy.zzz.uuu      User:
 <remoteuser>"    -- Cheers, 3 Graham Bennett, (250) 387-4669w, (250) 387-5231 fax  OpenVMS Platform Management,E Information Technology Services Division, Provice of British Columbia . <Standard Disclaimer - these words are my own>  ! Jerry Leslie wrote in message ... . >Stephen Eickhoff (operagost@email.com) wrote:I >: Is there a way of determining a terminal's IP address with f$getdvi? I * >: can't figure out which argument to use. >: > J >f$getjpi("","TT_ACCPORNAM") will return the IP address, or the node name, >if reverse DNS is available.  > = >The string returned by F$GETJPI may have one of two formats:  >  > o "144.5.155.25"( > o "Host: 144.5.155.25     Port: 1174 " > D >See Message-ID: 8icodc$44k$1@joe.rice.edu for more on that subject. > 0 >--Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net< >                 leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid3 >                 (my opinions are strictly my own)    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 00:21:39 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net  Subject: Re: Exec vs Super9 Message-ID: <39dff690$3$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   . In <39DF3AA3.BD159E32@gtech.com>, on 10/08/00 :    at 12:21 AM, Arne Vajh j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> said:  + >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: K >> My grey cells aren't functioning well right now.  My question is EXEC vs H >> Super mode for logicals.  EXEC requires sysnam to create, but doesn'tH >> appear to ever "win" when same name defined in SUPER mode.  I vaguelyJ >> remember there is a case where EXEC wins but can't put my finger on it. >> Anyone clarify this?   J >When you do a logical translation you can request that only logicals in aG >certain mode or more priviliged are to be considered (even the lexical  >F$TRNLNM has this feature).   This much I know.   F >Most applications especialy user-written uses the defeault USER mode,7 >which means that logicals in all modes are considered.   F the default is Super mode.  User mode logicals are single use logicalsC which disapear when the executable image exits or a command file is 
 invoked by @.   ; >Some applications including some parts of VMS specify EXEC ; >mode s only logicals defined in executive and kernel mode J >are considered (the point is that sinde creating logicals in theese modes9 >require privs, then they can somewhat be considered more  >reliable/secure).   >Arne  --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.528                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:20:51 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: Exec vs Super. Message-ID: <1001008025557.6225C@Ives.egh.com>  = On Sun, 8 Oct 2000 yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:   2 > In <39DF3AA3.BD159E32@gtech.com>, on 10/08/00=20< >    at 12:21 AM, Arne Vajh j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> said: >=20- > >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: L > >> My grey cells aren't functioning well right now.  My question is EXEC = vsJ > >> Super mode for logicals.  EXEC requires sysnam to create, but doesn'tJ > >> appear to ever "win" when same name defined in SUPER mode.  I vaguelyL > >> remember there is a case where EXEC wins but can't put my finger on it= .  > >> Anyone clarify this?  >=20L > >When you do a logical translation you can request that only logicals in = a I > >certain mode or more priviliged are to be considered (even the lexical  > >F$TRNLNM has this feature). >=20 > This much I know.  >=20H > >Most applications especialy user-written uses the defeault USER mode,9 > >which means that logicals in all modes are considered.  >=20H > the default is Super mode.  User mode logicals are single use logicalsE > which disapear when the executable image exits or a command file is  > invoked by @.   H NO!  The default for creation in DCL ($ assign, $ define) is SUPER mode,C but the default for translation, as Arne says, is USER mode, so the A user can override inner mode logical names by assigning them in a G program or with assign/user, but a program can defeat this by insisting < on inner mode names by explicitly specifying an access mode.  F I checked HELP on Alpha VMS 7.2-1.  LIB$SET_LOGICAL explicitly createsC SUPER mode logicals.  SYS$CRELNM seems to default to USER mode, but G HELP isn't explicit.  (ACMODE is an optional argument, but HELP doesn't ! say what happens if you omit it.)    >=20= > >Some applications including some parts of VMS specify EXEC ? > >mode s=E5 only logicals defined in executive and kernel mode L > >are considered (the point is that sinde creating logicals in theese mode= s ; > >require privs, then they can somewhat be considered more  > >reliable/secure). >=20A Yes, since it requires SYSNAM priv to define an EXEC mode logical > name.  (If you don't have SYSNAM, assign ignores the /exec andA creates  supervisor mode name.)  You also need SYSNAM to deassign  an EXEC mode name.    
 > >Arne=20   --=20  John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 19:16:27 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  Subject: Re: Exec vs Super5 Message-ID: <01JV3T5WIBLE004W3G@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   1 >In <39DF3AA3.BD159E32@gtech.com>, on 10/08/00=20 ; >   at 12:21 AM, Arne Vajh j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> said:  > , >>yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:F >>> My grey cells aren't functioning well right now.  My question is = EXEC vs F >>> Super mode for logicals.  EXEC requires sysnam to create, but doe= sn'tF >>> appear to ever "win" when same name defined in SUPER mode.  I vag= uelyF >>> remember there is a case where EXEC wins but can't put my finger = on it. >>> Anyone clarify this? > F >>When you do a logical translation you can request that only logical= s in aF >>certain mode or more priviliged are to be considered (even the lexi= cal  >>F$TRNLNM has this feature).  >  >This much I know. > F >>Most applications especialy user-written uses the defeault USER mod= e,8 >>which means that logicals in all modes are considered. > F >the default is Super mode.  User mode logicals are single use logica= lsD >which disapear when the executable image exits or a command file is >invoked by @.  F I tend to disagree (with the "this much I know").  User mode logicals=
  disappear=20 F when an executable is run. a .COM file may run several commands that =	 do not=20   cause invocation of executables.  F The default is into the process table, which (you are correct) such l= ogicals are=20 created in super mode.  F To go back to the original, and something that I have never really un=	 derstood: 3 I have (in the order listed by show logical), e.g.:   ' "SYS$DISK: [super,crelog] =3D "DKA100:"  "SYS$DISK: [exec] =3D "DKA100:"   F what really is the distinction?  How can I use the logicals different= ly?  Why=20  are there two?  ; >Some applications including some parts of VMS specify EXEC > >>mode s=E5 only logicals defined in executive and kernel modeF >>are considered (the point is that sinde creating logicals in theese=  modes: >>require privs, then they can somewhat be considered more >>reliable/secure).      Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,=20 NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  F Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most=  people,; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:56:55 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Exec vs Super7 Message-ID: <200010081057_MC2-B627-742A@compuserve.com>   @ Message text written by INTERNET:paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auC >To go back to the original, and something that I have never really  understood: 3 I have (in the order listed by show logical), e.g.:   ' "SYS$DISK: [super,crelog] =3D "DKA100:"  "SYS$DISK: [exec] =3D "DKA100:"   J what really is the distinction?  How can I use the logicals differently? =   Why =    are there two? <   J         You evidently did not include the full output of SHOW LOGICAL her= e J but if you did, it would show that the SUPER mode logical is in the proce= ss? table and the EXEC mode logical is in the system table.  So the G distinctions are the access mode and the name of the logical name table H that each is in.  I had never noticed the "crelog" before you pointed itG out but it suggests to me that the logical is being created by a really I primitive part of VMS; something that goes back to VMS V3.x or before.  =   5 The $CRELOG service has been obsolete for many years!   H         To *use* logicals with the same name and different translations,J you specify the table and/or the mode when you request a translation.  Yo= u C don't *have* to take what you get by default.  See the arguments to  F$TRNLNM or SYS$TRNLNM.   B         "Why" is a damned good question.  If you have another diskJ available and you SET DEFAULT to a directory on that disk you will have t= woH definitions pointing to two different disks; only the SUPER mode logicalD will change.  I would guess that both are set up by LOGINOUT.EXE.  =    	         =    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 11:04:32 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: Exec vs Super> Message-ID: <hshubs-7C89B8.11043208102000@news.mindspring.com>  J In article <1001008025557.6225C@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>  wrote:  G >I checked HELP on Alpha VMS 7.2-1.  LIB$SET LOGICAL explicitly creates D >SUPER mode logicals.  SYS$CRELNM seems to default to USER mode, butH >HELP isn't explicit.  (ACMODE is an optional argument, but HELP doesn't" >say what happens if you omit it.)  J But the System Services Reference -does-.  The HELP module is really only K helpful as a reminder.  If you want definitive, go to the reference manual.  --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  / Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:05:53 +0109 (Eastern)  From: cyberpharmacy1@excite.com < Subject: Get Viagra at the lowest prices available anywhere!3 Message-ID: <200010081500.KAA62106@nadal.loyno.edu>:  ] Get Viagra at the absolute lowest prices available.Make your sex life unlike it has ever been  before!e   GO TO LINK BELOW!!. http://home.earthlink.net/~gab4ever/bulla1.htm   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:48:09 GMTe8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS( Message-ID: <39DF22E8.A53C87A4@decus.fi>  G But FMS is available on Alpha/VMS. And there is TDMS Emulator available A (from third party, PRAXA I think) that runs on Alpha/VMS and doeso probably what TDMS does on VAX/VMS.  D Whilst FMS and TDMS are "mature" and hence no new versions, they are actuallyH available on both Alpha and VAX hence is I'd say "bad example" as far as Alpha  VMS is concerned.    veli   "Barry Treahy, Jr." wrote: >  > Jordan Henderson wrote:0 > H > > That's not a TECHNICAL reason, that's a BUSINESS reason.  There's no, > > TECHNICAL reason the vendors can't port. > >CF > > I agree that there's probably not a TECHNICAL reason not to do theD > > enhancements on OpenVMS/VAX, but like your vendors who don't seeA > > a business reason to do the engineering, Compaq doesn't see a ; > > business reason to provide enhancements on OpenVMS/VAX.U > M > Yes, but when companies will not release to public domain VMS software thatdN > they have discontinued and have also made it very clear they will never portO > the software from VAX/VMS to Alpha/VMS, it is another arrow in the back of us % > running legacy apps on VAX systems.W > P > TDMS and FMS are two prime examples, both have long been replaced by FORMS andO > through no fault of Hoff, I presume, Compaq still has not made any comment or O > taken any action regardling my request to release the sources of TDMS and FMS B > to the public domain.  This is another stone in the Compaq shoe. > J > When the cost of keeping a legacy VAX system running exceeds the cost toM > replace, then the obvious decision is to replace that system.   What Compaq M > must fail to recogonize is that if those stones in the shoe become abundantoL > enough to be painful, replacement options that are not dependent on Compaq; > will become the first course of action for many people...  >  > Just my two cents... >  > Barry5 >  > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO. > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2000 23:07:06 -0700 ! From: Koloth <koloth@tmisnet.com>  Subject: ISVs what about SAP+ Message-ID: <39E00F09.C7C541F3@tmisnet.com>1  F When SAP stopped supporting OpenVMS that was considered the straw that broke the camel's back.   @ At CETS 2000, Rich Marcello mentioned that the OpenVMS group wasC spending money to support ISV's to get OpenVMS to Tier I status.  IrH would like to thanks Richard for this effort.  Is there any update as to@ if otr when SAP will be joining the ranks of software running on OpenVMS?  F If SAP will work again on OpenVMS then that definitely would be a very# strong signal that OpenVMS is back.n  @ For those of you who did not attend the OpenVMS reception at the= Biltmore during the CETS 2000, you really missed a good time.s6 Many thanks to Rich and others who made that possible.   Cass Witkowski Senior Systems Engineer- SAIC  5 My opinions are my own, but I will gladly share them.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 14:22:03 +0001y% From: gerry <gerrarduffy@hotmail.com>n' Subject: Make a Solid Income on the WebS- Message-ID: <0G24004545BIFT@mx.west.saic.com>o   Dear Friende   You'll love this  6 Imagine your website having thousands... even million  of visitors every week.   $ Would that help you earn more money?  8 Then get the latest tactics to pull in visitors to your  website like a giant magnet.  , Download Superior Marketing Tools & Tactics  Software... 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CanD > > one do such a thing using mail or do you need something external > > (program/utility)? > G > See DECUS. There are plenty of mail utilities. One of my preferred is , > NMAIL, an old DEC program used internally.  ' Currently to be found on the Freeware. m1 See http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/NMAIL/b     -- rE ---------------------------------------------------------------------vE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.i? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*sF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------1 -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----w Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------,   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:19:04 +0200f0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> Subject: Re: Newbie:  Mail* Message-ID: <39E02DF7.E644B758@Easynet.fr>   Arne Vajhj wrote: >yB > Please remember to make sure that you do not start a mail loop !  > To avoid mail looping when detected (VMS will say so), use theA undocumented underscore before the username. This disable the SETc FORWARD Mail command.n  ; Ex: $ mail/subj="Finally found you :-)" nl: DENVER::_SYSTEM=   D.   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2000 08:44:10 -0700l1 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)i0 Subject: Powerhouse ( was Re: Compaq VMS promo ), Message-ID: <QlhG2wXJk3dx@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  : In article <39dff577$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, /     yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net writes:r  J > Powerhouse is a 4GL, not a database itself.  Although it is a wonderfullL > package and can give you database like access to RMS files.  I try to findI > a PowerHouse contract every 3 years or so in order to keep current with. > it.e >   F   Cognos's support of Powerhouse on VMS has been less than spectacularF the last few years though. We've been waiting a couple of years to getE a version that supports Oracle and works properly with the Powerhousel# Client for Windows. No luck so far.l  M =============================================================================DM Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.caaH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 12:33:05 +0200" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>< Subject: Re: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape)( Message-ID: <8rpi18$6kp$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  % OK, next Monday I'll look at our 8550c   HansK Derek Konigsberg heeft geschreven in bericht <39DBE1D7.BA69C625@rpi.edu>...r >Hans,I >    It would be nice if you could please look on your 8550 (very similar0J >machine, as I understand), as I don't completely trust the set of scripts onG >our console (set of boot files isn't exactly "complete").  The console) we'retK >using is from a different 8530, so it's not exactly configured to boot offt thep  >devices we have on our machine. >- >Thanks,
 >    Derek >0 >Hans Vlems wrote: > 	 >> Derek,  >>C >> if the 8530 can boot from tape then in the same PRO380 directory : >> that holds DEFBOO.COM should be files called M*BOO.COM.= >> Either  B @<alternate com file> or rename it to DEFBOO.COMc >> and boot it.,7 >> If I can find the time I'll have a look on our 8550.  >>
 >> Hans Vlemsl >>/ >> Derek Konigsberg heeft geschreven in berichtr <39DB5F19.BACE5DF7@rpi.edu>...
 >> >Hello,L >> >    We've got a VAX 8530, and need to know how to boot it from tape.  WeK >> >have a TU81+ tape drive interfaced to the machine through it's own portnJ >> >on the back.  The way the machine boots, is rather interesting.  FirstF >> >you power it on and load the microcode from the console.  The "VAXF >> >Console" is basically a Pro380 microcomputer with it's own specialK >> >interface to the machine.  Then, to boot the machine we run a script on L >> >the console (like "DEFBOO.COM") which punches a bunch of values into theJ >> >machine's registers, then loads the bootloader ("VMB.EXE"), and passesE >> >control to it.  The values you punch into the registers basicallyoI >> >determine what device the machine boots off of.  As we're missing thedK >> >"booting from tape" portion of our console manual, we basically need toeJ >> >know what to put in our boot command file to boot the machine from the
 >> >TU81+. >> > >> >Thanks,o >> >    Derek Konigsberg >> >    konigd@rpi.edu >> > >> > >u   ------------------------------  $ Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2000 03:38:25 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>: Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.. Message-ID: <1001008032255.6225D@Ives.egh.com>   On 7 Oct 2000, Cthulhu wrote:   - > Arne Vajh?j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:e > 
 > [Apache]I > > I tried a long time ago, but got stuck because I was on UCX 4.x then.R > @ > I still not have tried it, so I hope it will do what they say.B > And, unlike linux apache+mod_ssl, it doesn't keep killing itslef > without any info on logs.  > 1 > > Digital Personal WorkStation 500au and 600au.e= > > Because DS10's have been shipping in large quantities ford@ > > some time now, then used DPWS's has reached something I will" > > call a realistic price-level ! >  > Good.n$ > Can they be clustered by ethernet? > H > > I am not a lawyer, but I would think not. Testing an application for3 > > later commercial usage sounds commercial to me.u > F > But we'll would buy regular licenses when and if that thing would goF > in production... should we buy OpenVMS + Cluster + C++ licences just > to see if we like that thing? $ > I'll ask to the Montagar people... >  > 	conflictingly,e
 > 	   Cthulhua  F For comercial development, you can join the CSA program for about $1204 per year and then get the SDK's for about $500/year.  F (I think these prices may have gone up some this year but I don't know
 how much.)  H The SDK's include 1-year licenses for virtually all VMS layered productsF plus the current VMS O/S & Docs CDs plus the quarterly LP binaries andD Docs CD's.  They also tend to send you the current set of everythingD when you renew your membership, so we have ended up with 3 copies of lots of things.e  G The licenses are good on any number of CPU's, as long as they are owned G by your company and are used for software development (not production).SC It includes VMSCLUSTER, unlimited users, C, C++, UCX, VOLSHAD, etc.   D The only thing I think you'll need is the base VMS license, which is  usually bundled with the system.  ? The CSA program also used to include a discount (25% to 50%) on E hardware and software, (i.e. systems, disks, permanent license, etc.) ? provided you promised to use the items you purchased solely foreB software development purposes for a limited time (5 years?), after> which you can use them for anything else.  I don't know if the discount program still exists.  > Oh, and I explicitly checked recently.  It is also okay to use  the CSA stuff for demos as well.  B I'm not sure if the CSA stuff can be used for internal development< or if the software you develop must be intended for re-sale.   --   John Santose Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2000 17:16:50 GMTs& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>: Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.( Message-ID: <8rqa62$68$1@kadath.deep.it>  + Arne Vajh?j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:   J \> Compaq/Digital has a loan program for people that want to try something > before buying !i   Ah-ha!  > > will consider your case. You may even have problems locatingC > the rigth people within Compaq to ask. But it may be worth a try.u   Thanks, I'll try!a   	trackingly, 	   Cthulhu    -- t  G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan! # 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>i   ------------------------------   Date: 8 Oct 2000 17:19:22 GMTe& From: Cthulhu <cthulhu@kadath.deep.it>: Subject: Re: Seeking info/prices for OpenVMS and hardware.( Message-ID: <8rqaaq$6i$1@kadath.deep.it>  ! John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:a  H > For comercial development, you can join the CSA program for about $1206 > per year and then get the SDK's for about $500/year.  < That's good, unless I have to convince Compaq with a gun. :)  D > I'm not sure if the CSA stuff can be used for internal development> > or if the software you develop must be intended for re-sale.  1 Thanks for all the fishEHR... for all the infos! e   	developingly, 	   Cthulhun --    G        Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu http://www.rlyeh.it wgah'nagl fhtgan!c# 		        <cthulhu at rlyeh dot it>p   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:48:11 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>" Subject: Re: SYSMAN can use DECnet( Message-ID: <39E00EED.BE614A69@decus.fi>  A I'd say (that is to imply that this is not an authorative answer)r; that the NET there was for the SMIserver to receive outsidek cluster connections. o  F Besides, I have used MANY, MANY times SYSMAN from/to nodes booted withB STARTUP_P1 = "MIN". Typically after booting  with STARTUP_P1 "MIN"B I start manually SMISERVER and CLUSTER_SERVER processes plus maybeB CONFIGURE and then can you SYSMAN from and to that machine (to and from the rest of the cluster).   _veliw   JF Mezei wrote:e >  > Bob Koehler wrote:G > > Wrong.  I've used SYSMAN several times over DECnet in non-clusteredr > > configurations.l >  > Got curious and made a test. > ) > On node BIKE from a non-SYSTEM account:  > H > SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=VELO/USER=SYSTEM    (followed by password prompt)P > SYSMAN> DO DIR $DISk2:[000000...]       (a command that takes a long time on a > Microvax II) > S > Then, I went on the console of VELO. NCP showed no network links for user SYSTEM. I > VELO crawled like it was bogged down in a mixture of sand, molasses andiO > setting concrete whereas it usually appears to be slowed only by molasses :-)s > N > SMISERVER was very CPU hungry, so I assume it was the one doing the command.N > Interestingly enough, SHOW PROC SMISERVER/ALL revealed it had a NET4: deviceU > allocated to it and no subprocess. And SMISERVER does have a DECnet object created.e >  > O > So, how exactly does SMISERVER execute the command I asked it to do under thekP > username/password configuration without creating a process ? Does it gain this- > ability with the personna system services ?e > I > How can SMISERVER  execute a DCL command inside the context of an image 1 > (SMISERVER.EXE) without creating a subprocess ?o > M > And is the NET: device allocated to SMISERVER used just in case it receivesfF > DECNET calls from non-clustered nodes ? I assume that SMISERVER willL > eventually have to support TCPIP to replace the existing DECnet support it8 > currecntly has ? Any security implications with that ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:48:14 GMTe8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears( Message-ID: <39E01751.FD225ABA@decus.fi>  C But the PCSI kit can come to you in two different flavours. The one C as a xxxxx.PCSI is in the so called sequential format and the othereG format is reference format. This latter is "opened directory structure"D9 and I would imagine that one can maybe tweak things then.   > And one can convert from one format to another, something like  / 	$ product copy fortran/sour=dev:[dir]/form=seqs /dest=dev2:[dir]/form=refp  H I've never actually "played" with the contents of an PCSI kit other thanB "stealing OSAK$OSAKSHR.EXE" from DECnet/PLUS V7.1 OSAK kit becauseD OSAK V1 interface is not there anymore in DECnet/Plus V7.2 and later included OSAK kits.2   _velis   JF Mezei wrote:p >  > Adri Koopman wrote:t? > > DEC-VAXVMS-VMS72_PCSI-A0100--4.PCSI-DCX_VAXEXE, which is an$E > > upgrade/patch to PCSI, which brings it to version V7.2-108. After ? > > applying this kit, I was able to install the TCPIP_ECO kit.  > O > In the good old days, one could simply take saveset A, edit the KITINSTAL.COM9= > file to fix the problem, repackage saveset A and install...a > [ > PCSI seems to have a degree of "closedness" that make things harder comared to VMSinstal.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:56:48 -0400i2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>4 Subject: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.7 Message-ID: <200010081056_MC2-B627-7425@compuserve.com>a  @         !!!!!   Have you considered getting "professional help"?  8         WHY would you want to replace Multinet with UCX?  C 1.  UCX is a layered product.  It is licensed separately, installedrI separately,  charged for separately, and support is an extra cost item! =   F Most new systems are sold with a UCX license and have been for severalJ years so the fact the fact the people still pay for and use Multinet shou= ld tell you something!f  F 2.  Quality!  Both Multinet and UCX are ports of the Berkeley code butJ Multinet has a multi-year head start!  DECpaq, up until TCP/IP 5.0A was/i= smH still finding and fixing the Berkeley bugs plus the ones they introduced during the port.  J 3. No migration tools.  You won't have to recreate your queues from scrat= chD but you will have to do a SET QUEUE for each one to change the print	 symbiont.2  ' Message text written by "Mike Flaherty" 5 >We are thinking of migrating from Multinet to UCX...c  F 1) Is UCX bundled AND supported with the VMS license (i.e. is there an extra  charge)?  B 2) What can Multinet do that UCX can't (what will we be giving up)  G 3) Does UCX come with any migration tools.  For example, will I have toL4 recreate all of my TCP/IP print queues from scratch? <l   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 07:48:12 GMTa8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??o( Message-ID: <39E012A0.850C9465@decus.fi>   JF Mezei wrote:i > # > re: need for DECNET in a cluster.= > B > Ok, so the cluster can now be formed and managed without DECnet. > 2 > Ok, so DECnet is no longer a "required" product. > L > But how much software still expects the presence of DECnet in a cluster to1 > communicate between instances of the software ?P  F Many things have been enchanced. We can now use RUN to start processed onE other cluster nodes. We have had ability to STOP/ID etc. processes on F other cluster nodes. I know a few customer clusters completely withoutB DECnet and it is somewhat pain. But mostly because I am so used toB various DECnet thingies not necessarily related to cluster always , but anyway useful when managing VMS systems.       > L > Can PHONE call a user in a cluster without DECNET if that use isn't on theN > same node ? And more importantly, is MAIL smart enough to bypass DECNET if IM > type "NODE2::USER"  in the TO field and NODE2 is part of the same cluster ?d  A Phone surely needs DECnet if you want to phone to another used onO ANOTHERrF NODE on the same cluster. But VMSmail can be told that this cluster isG HOMOGNENOUS  and therefore VMSmail will bypass the NODE:: when the NODEr> is on local cluster. In the old days it used to be that we did  ) 	$ define/system/exec mail$system_flags 7t    Actually an extract from manual:   --- Start of extract    E The value of the logical name MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS is interpreted in the2 following ways:   
 Value Meaningr   G  1    Indicates that this node is part of a homogeneous OpenVMS Clusteru system.gD       In other words, all disks are accessible to the cluster, and a common@       SYSUAF file and a common mail file exist for the cluster.   G       When this bit is set, the system checks the node to which you areNH       sending mail to see if it is currently in the cluster. If the nodeG       is in the cluster, the system bypasses DECnet, and the message isRH       written directly to the recipient's mail file. (Note that the nodeB       must be up to determine whether it is part of the cluster.)   F  2    Directs Mail to set the OpenVMS Cluster system breakthrough flag whenG       issuing the $BRKTHRU service to notify the recipient of new mail. G       This flag is used only in OpenVMS Cluster systems and, typically,i onlyG       in homogeneous OpenVMS Cluster systems (in other words, flag 1 ise       also set).  G  4    Directs Mail to include the time the message was delivered in the-B       notification message displayed on the recipient's terminal.   F  + 8  Directs Mail to use DECnet VAX address syntax when the system is running DECnet-Plus.    6  +16  Directs Mail to use DECnet-Plus address syntax.      +VAX specific     E For example, if MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS translates to 7, the system selectsn the F first three flags. If the logical name does not translate, the default is 0,-' which indicates that no flags are set. 3  7 On VAX systems, if neither 8 nor 16 is in the value for+ MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS, theA system checks to see whether DECnet for OpenVMS or DECnet-Plus is, running on the> system and requires the appropriate address syntax. Note that, ordinarily, youi do not set either flag.   C If the number of new (unread) mail messages displayed on the user'sf	 screen isVG inconsistent with the actual number of new messages, enter the READ/NEWm command!? once (for each nonexistent message) when there is no new mail. e  F In mail messages sent through DECnet, users can specify node names and
 user namesD as logical names. Any access control information in the node name or logical name is ignored.   ? On VAX systems running DECnet-Plus, users can also specify nodem
 synonyms.    --- End of extract > O > I agree that the VMS engineers have gone a long way to remove dependancies onlI > DECnet. But there are still many leftovers of the glory days of DECnet.  > N > I also agree that the direction taken does make it very easy to beleive that' > DECnet will eventually be phased out.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:10:28 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??s* Message-ID: <39E02BF4.BFB7EA08@Easynet.fr>   Richard Jordan wrote:a > J > There is useful info on the DNPG site, but not much for older equipment,C > or for items that Cabletron/Enterasys decided to keep (Roamabout)W   You mean RouteAbout?   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 08 Oct 2000 10:56:50 -0400D2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>5 Subject: Re: Why is it so hard to port things to VMS?i7 Message-ID: <200010081056_MC2-B627-7427@compuserve.com>-  ( Message text written by Jordan Henderson  J         Other languages are quite as  portable as C.  A Fortran 77 compil= erJ will compile standards compliant Fortran 77 code on any platform.  There = isJ a large standard library that comes with the compiler and/or the O/S.  Th= ee# compiled code should run just fine.d  8         An ANSI COBOL compiler will compile COBOL. . . .  J         Ada is not a popular language outside of the Department of Defens= e J and certain shops writing "man rated" applications (somebody's life depen= ds on its working correctly).J Nevertheless, any Ada compiler must comply with the standard and pass som= etE pretty tough tests before it can be called Ada.  Such a compiler will & compile standards compliant Ada. . . .  C         Now when you have to get down and dirty with the O/S or the>G Graphics Hardware, C looks a lot more attractive.  It's also a lot morea risky!  J         DEC Fortran allows you to turn on array bounds checking which can=  ? catch a lot of problems in the bud.  C has no equivalent.   TherH WATFOR/WATFIV compilers (is my age showing?)  even had run time checkingG for uninitialized variables and strict run time checking for the types,iJ modes, etc, of function and subroutine arguments;  if a subroutine took a=  H REAL and you passed an INTEGER, you got a run time error!  An enviromentF like this makes it downright difficult to make some of the most commonJ coding errors!  C has no equivalent nor can I see how such things could b= eo@ built in without turning it into Fortran or Ada or something!!!!  H         One of the underlying assumptions in C and Unix is that you knowJ what you are doing.  Ninety percent of the time this is a damned dangerou= sV assumption to make!!!!  H         The tools can be built to make coding errors damned difficult toJ make but some people feel that the restrictions stiffle their creativity!=     <snip>G >You see. Here's the problem.  People use C for tasks it wasn't created C for.  Why?  Because portability is so important, because quality of1D implementation (including standard libraries) is important.  These =  . factors have outweighed other considerations.< <snip>   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.563 ************************