1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 10 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 567       Contents: Re: Apache POST problem  Re: Apache POST problem $ Re: DECnet Plus training phased out?$ Re: DECnet Plus training phased out?$ Re: DECnet Plus training phased out?$ Re: DECnet Plus training phased out?4 Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket4 RE: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket4 Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket Re: ECO mailing list Re: Exec vs Super  half/full duplex Re: half/full duplex0 Re: I'm looking for a job and offering a reward!0 Re: I'm looking for a job and offering a reward! invite em all....  Re: ISVs what about SAP  Re: ISVs what about SAP  Re: layout for an LK471? Make REAL $ via Online Auctions & Re: MySQL Client for OpenVMS, Problems& Re: MySQL Client for OpenVMS, Problems& Re: MySQL Client for OpenVMS, Problems Re: Newbie:  Mail  re: nonfree Freeware Re: nonfree Freeware Re: OpenVMS in Oil companies Re: OpenVMS in Oil companies Re: OpenVMS in Oil companies Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products $ Re: Parsing Query_String with Apache Re: Rename File Question Re: Rename File Question Re: Rename File Question Re: Rename File Question& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo! RE: Sun Hardware problems persist  The Evil Within / Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. + Trade-offs regarding Installed Known Images ' Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12 ' Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 09:39:13 -0400 3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>   Subject: Re: Apache POST problem6 Message-ID: <8rv65s$3of$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  < fdasfdas wrote in message <39E27D3B.25DCB7D5@fdasfas.com>...+ >Multinet (latest w/new drivers for Apache)  >VMS 7.1 >Apache 1.3-12 > I >Forms using METHOD=POST results in no query_string , If  method=PUT then  >the query_string exist. > F >has anyone had similar issues using a form with method=POST using DCL >CGI?   L The query_string symbol is only used when method=PUT. When using method=POSTK the data is returned in APACHE$INPUT. You can use read from APACHE$INPUT in ! DCL or in an application program. 9 See APACHE$ROOT:[CGI-BIN]TEST-CGI-VMS.COM for an example.    Gaitan D'Antoni . Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderF http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:38:07 GMT  From: onedbguru@my-deja.com   Subject: Re: Apache POST problem) Message-ID: <8rvgld$as3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   F Unfortunatley the TEST-CGI-VMS.COM procedure does not show how to readF a very large query string (>900 bytes)and break it into it's componentD parts as well as coverting "+" to <space> etc...  Not being a "real"B programmer and not having a lot of experience with F$FAO I am at aE disadvantage.  I will look at the sources for the TEST-CGI-VMS.EXE as  well.   E BTW, I did try using that with out success as well.  The QUERY_STRING  always said ""    Apache 1.3-12, Multinet V4.2 A-X, UCXDRIVER.VUI UCXDRIVER-120_A042 30-JUN-2000  $ ==================================== With Method = POST   getenv(QUERY_STRING)      is || # getenv(REQUEST_METHOD)    is |POST|    AND    symbol QUERY_STRING = ! symbol WWW_QUERY_STRING = logical  QUERY_STRING =   symbol REQUEST_METHOD = POST symbol WWW_REQUEST_METHOD =  logical    REQUEST_METHOD = 2 ==================================================   METHOD="PUT"2 ==================================================  1 symbol QUERY_STRING = FORM_NAME=START&START=START  symbol WWW_QUERY_STRING =  logical    QUERY_STRING =    symbol REQUEST_METHOD = GET  symbol WWW_REQUEST_METHOD =  logical    REQUEST_METHOD = 2 ==================================================      6 In article <8rv65s$3of$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,6   "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com> wrote:> > fdasfdas wrote in message <39E27D3B.25DCB7D5@fdasfas.com>...- > >Multinet (latest w/new drivers for Apache) 
 > >VMS 7.1 > >Apache 1.3-12 > > F > >Forms using METHOD=POST results in no query_string , If  method=PUT then > >the query_string exist. > > H > >has anyone had similar issues using a form with method=POST using DCL > >CGI?  > B > The query_string symbol is only used when method=PUT. When using method=POST = > the data is returned in APACHE$INPUT. You can use read from  APACHE$INPUT in # > DCL or in an application program. ; > See APACHE$ROOT:[CGI-BIN]TEST-CGI-VMS.COM for an example.  >  > Gaitan D'Antoni 0 > Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderH > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html > Compaq Computer Corporation  >  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:53:17 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>- Subject: Re: DECnet Plus training phased out? * Message-ID: <39E2AECC.79D92BC1@Easynet.fr>  # (I changed the title of the thread)   @ The GKN answer in Paris was "COMPAQ doesn't sell us the trainingF material anymore, so we can't continue the training without material".   D.   JF Mezei wrote:  >  > "antonio.carlini" wrote:F > > That would be GKN's decision wouldn't it? I doubt COMPAQ could (or
 > > would)6 > > stop them offering the training if they wanted to. > M > Even if it wasn't Compaq's decision to remove DECnet courses from the GKN's J > curriculum, Compaq should still be concerned since in the end, it is VMS > customers that suffer. > P > In all fairness, it is very likely that the demand for such courses was almostJ > non-existant which made GKN's decisions quite justified. If Compaq trulyP > intends to revive VMS, Compaq must communicate with its partners and tell themG > about it so that these partners can also revive their VMS involvment.    ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 08:48:12 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) - Subject: Re: DECnet Plus training phased out? + Message-ID: <cQYj6vvOL6Kt@eisner.decus.org>   ] In article <39E2AECC.79D92BC1@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:   B > The GKN answer in Paris was "COMPAQ doesn't sell us the trainingH > material anymore, so we can't continue the training without material".  F It sounds like they weren't really much of a training vendor if it was: only due to Compaq participation that they could continue.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:01:09 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>- Subject: Re: DECnet Plus training phased out? * Message-ID: <39E32F35.11AEE425@Easynet.fr>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <39E2AECC.79D92BC1@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:  > D > > The GKN answer in Paris was "COMPAQ doesn't sell us the trainingJ > > material anymore, so we can't continue the training without material". > H > It sounds like they weren't really much of a training vendor if it was< > only due to Compaq participation that they could continue.  F Well, my personal opinion is that COMPAQ does produce the material andB sells it to the Vendors. If it is true that COMPAQ doesn't sell it= anymore, the question is still interesting to be asked: Why ?    D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:44:29 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> - Subject: Re: DECnet Plus training phased out? ' Message-ID: <39E3395D.63AAEEBF@iee.org>    Didier Morandi wrote: H > Well, my personal opinion is that COMPAQ does produce the material andD > sells it to the Vendors. If it is true that COMPAQ doesn't sell it? > anymore, the question is still interesting to be asked: Why ?   < I assume you mean that COMPAQ *should* produce the material.  E I haven't seen any new training material for DECnet in the last three F or four years. But then DECnet-Plus has not changed very much in thoseD last few years (I forget exactly when it acquired the ability to use@ TCP as a transport layer) and DECnet Phase-IV has not changed at all apart from bugfixes.  @ Training material from four years ago plus a read of the release= notes should be more than enough. I don't know what more they 4 would want. But if they do want more the place to go is product management :-)    Antonio    --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:07:51 +0200 & From: "stange" <Peter.Stange@bessy.de>= Subject: Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket ) Message-ID: <8rv2u3$j10fd$1@fu-berlin.de>    Hello,  F I created a TCP/IP service on an UDP port 1301 and send from a NCD/Tek X-terminal one UDPG packet to this port to signaling that  the X-terminal is ready to get a  login screen. This TCP/IP B service starts a DCL procedure. In this script I get the name of a BG-device. But, when i look > with $ TCPIP SH DEV, i can't see the remote IP address of this paket/connection. Now i look< for a solution to find out the IP address of sending system.   Peter Stange        4 "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote in message) news:su4ir2ag210p78@corp.supernews.com... > > "Peter Stange" <Peter.Stange#mail.bessy.de> wrote in message$ > news:39E21027.42217442@bessy.de... > > L > > is there a way of determinig the remote IP address of a datagram packet,: > > maybe with DCL or perl? (OpenVMS V7.2-1, TCP/IP V5.0A) > + > How did you capture this datagram packet?  > F > Or are you looking for also a way of sniffing a specific IP datagram packet+ > from some unknown network media from DCL?  >  > -John  > wb8tyw@qsl.network >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:58:27 -0400 ' From: Dan Allen <daniel.allen@nist.gov> = Subject: RE: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket @ Message-ID: <NEBBIALHDHJMJINPGMOAMEBOCLAA.daniel.allen@nist.gov>  9 0=80=06	*=86H=86=F7=0D=01=07=02=A0=800=80=02=01=011=0B0	= " =06=05+=0E=03=02=1A=05=000=80=06	=F *=86H=86=F7=0D=01=07=01=A0=80$=80=04=82=06=0CContent-Type: text/plain; 	charset=3D"iso-8859-1"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit       =   UDP is "connectionless".  I suspect you'll have to actually .   read the packet to get the sender's address.     Dan  > -----Original Message------ > From: stange [mailto:Peter.Stange@bessy.de] ) > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 6:08 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com ? > Subject: Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket  >  >  > Hello, > H > I created a TCP/IP service on an UDP port 1301 and send from a NCD/Tek > X-terminal one UDPI > packet to this port to signaling that  the X-terminal is ready to get =  a  > login screen. This TCP/IP D > service starts a DCL procedure. In this script I get the name of a > BG-device. But, when i look @ > with $ TCPIP SH DEV, i can't see the remote IP address of this > paket/connection. Now i look> > for a solution to find out the IP address of sending system. >  > Peter Stange >  >  >  > 6 > "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote in message+ > news:su4ir2ag210p78@corp.supernews.com... @ > > "Peter Stange" <Peter.Stange#mail.bessy.de> wrote in message& > > news:39E21027.42217442@bessy.de... > > > F > > > is there a way of determinig the remote IP address of a datagram packet, < > > > maybe with DCL or perl? 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Malmberg)= Subject: Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket + Message-ID: <bpv0xmbPXU1C@eisner.decus.org>   ) In article <8rv2u3$j10fd$1@fu-berlin.de>, , Peter Stange <Peter.Stange#bessy.de> writes:  0 > I created a TCP/IP service on an UDP port 1301, > and send from a NCD/Tek X-terminal one UDP+ > packet to this port to signaling that the 1 > X-terminal is ready to get a login screen. This 0 > TCP/IP service starts a DCL procedure. In this1 > script I get the name of a BG-device. But, when - > i look with $ TCPIP SH DEV, i can't see the 1 > remote IP address of this paket/connection. Now 2 > i look for a solution to find out the IP address > of sending system. > : Ok, you need the information that the TCP process received5 to create the BG device and launch the DCL procedure.   ( See the command procedure whatami.com at  )    http:\\eisner.decus.org\~malmberg\dcl\   > (also known as whatami.txt for browsers that do not understand some things.  ; This is a command procedure that I use to diagnose problems  with other command files.   6 I have only tested it with the Compaq TCP/IP programs.  & Feedback and enhancements are welcome.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:01:32 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: ECO mailing list 4 Message-ID: <C2256974.005238EF.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  1 tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk on 10/02/2000 09:44:07 AM   * /Please respond to tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk   /To:  Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com  /cc: /Subject: Re: ECO mailing list /  / " /norm.raphael@jamesbury.com wrote: / 0 /> Consult the FAQ.  It's not majordomo anymore. / > /So what was that feature of VMS we like so much, ah, backwardB /compatibility. Why should we have to change our subscription with# /the phase of the moon or whatever?  /   F You'll get no arguement from me.  Brad Hamilton and I have been tryingF to get this to work consistently for some time now (We're talking over; a year), so by now we're grateful for anything it sends us.   E The list is not a feature of VMS, but of some other group, of course.   G Nevertheless, when the starting point for the answer is the FAQ, I find 0 most readers of the list welcome the pointer....   -Norm G "Everything worthwhile eventually degenerates into real work." - Murphy    /-- 7 /Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project 1 /MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK. B /Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk / B /I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of /MedAS or the BBC.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:12:55 +0200?= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>P Subject: Re: Exec vs Super) Message-ID: <39E323E7.7C16864C@gtech.com>a  * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:/ > In <39DF3AA3.BD159E32@gtech.com>, on 10/08/00c< >    at 12:21 AM, Arne Vajh j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> said:- > >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: M > >> My grey cells aren't functioning well right now.  My question is EXEC vsuJ > >> Super mode for logicals.  EXEC requires sysnam to create, but doesn'tJ > >> appear to ever "win" when same name defined in SUPER mode.  I vaguelyL > >> remember there is a case where EXEC wins but can't put my finger on it. > >> Anyone clarify this?e  L > >When you do a logical translation you can request that only logicals in a7 > >certain mode or more priviliged are to be consideredu  H > >Most applications especialy user-written uses the defeault USER mode,9 > >which means that logicals in all modes are considered.u >  > the default is Super mode.   ????   Nope.a   Default is USER.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:57:24 +0200r) From: Hugo Thone <htho@se.bel.alcatel.be>  Subject: half/full duplex 1 Message-ID: <39E31234.22E8F307@se.bel.alcatel.be>   3 How can I check whether a VMS-machine is working ine full or in half duplex mode ?h   cheers,w  
 Hugo Thone email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:12:22 +0200e% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>  Subject: Re: half/full duplex . Message-ID: <8rv4jl$58n$1@info.service.rug.nl>  8 "Hugo Thone" <htho@se.bel.alcatel.be> wrote in message =+ news:39E31234.22E8F307@se.bel.alcatel.be... 5 > How can I check whether a VMS-machine is working in  > full or in half duplex mode ?- >=20	 > cheers,- >=20 > Hugo Thone  > email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be  3 I assume you want the state of your network device.q   $ ANALYZE/SYSTEM SDA> SHOW LAN /ful=20e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:19:38 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig).9 Subject: Re: I'm looking for a job and offering a reward! 0 Message-ID: <39e307de.76651579@news.newsguy.com>  @ On 5 Oct 2000 19:02:16 GMT, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote:  
 >Hi folks! >i >aG >I'm looking for a VMS job in Europe.  If any "telecommuting" stuff is iI >possible, fine, but I'm thinking more of a job where I actually move to  F >the place of employment.  And I'm offering a reward!  Details are at  > < >   http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/VMS/vms.html    E Computer Futures in the UK seem to have a reasonable understanding ofe the VMS market.t  C Go to www.compfutures.co.uk and type in VMS OR OPENVMS OR VAX underoE technical skills. Got 7 current hits. www.jobsearch.co.uk worth a tryu as well.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:30:46 GMTD From: fatz_nyc@my-deja.com9 Subject: Re: I'm looking for a job and offering a reward!o) Message-ID: <8rv96n$3rp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n   >0E > Go to www.compfutures.co.uk and type in VMS OR OPENVMS OR VAX under"G > technical skills. Got 7 current hits. www.jobsearch.co.uk worth a tryf
 > as well.  E Or goto www.jobserve.com and you'll find all the VMS jobs in Europe -EC there are many jobs available in Holland and Germany at present fore Dutch/German speakers.   Fatz    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy..   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:55:17 PDT= From: creteis@godstruthtous.comE Subject: invite em all....9 Message-ID: <6_HE5.12598$df6.23331@reggie.win.bright.net>R   <html>1 <!--  Created with the CoffeeCup HTML Editor  --> 1 <!--         http://www.coffeecup.com         -->T <head>   <font size="5"><font color="#800080"><center>An invitation from God to see the truth</center></font></font><center><font color="#8000FF"><a href="http://www.godstruthtous.com/GTemailF.html">(as shown to me in a dream ..."invite all")</a></font> </center>  <p align="center"><b><font size="2" face="Book Antiqua" color="#0000FF"><b>To all the souls of the earth...ANY that might receive... the times have come .....<center> of the publishing of God's First Truth <center><font color="#02B8FD">The bottom line ...there is <font color="#0000FF">nothing of this earth</font> is between you and God<center> ...no religion ...no church ...no high and mighty scholiarship of the bibles of men required.lm <center><font color="#0000FF">Only the very Truth of God in text and in the spirit of His Son</font></center>sO It's the same as what is written in your hearts allready<center> (common sense)  <hr color="#993300"> <a href="http://www.godstruthtous.com/"><center> <font size="-1"><font color="#0080FF">Look see the books ...and <font color="#0000FF">FREELY DOWNLOAD</font></font> at the web sight</font></a> <center>OR</center> t if you would like to have either of the <a href="http://www.godstruthtous.com/notes/bookorderws.htm">paperbacks</a>  <P><a href="http://www.godstruthtous.com/notes/bookorderws.htm"><img src="http://www.godstruthtous.com/vgl1alone.jpg" width="80" height="120" alt="to Order paper back copies" border="0" align=""></a>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;i <a href="http://www.godstruthtous.com/notes/bookorderws.htm"><img src="http://www.godstruthtous.com/vgl2alone.jpg" width="80" height="120" alt="volume 2" border="0" align=""></a>   <P>Questions:Contact messenger: - <a href="mailto:His_messenger@godstruthtous.com">His_messenger@godstruthtous.com</a></font><center>o <P> [ <font size="1">Under Bill 1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress This invitation ccannot be considered Spam as long as we include: Contact information & a Remove Link.<center><font color="#FF0000"> TO BE REMOVED CLICK ON </font> - <a href="mailto:remove@godstruthtous.com">remove@godstruthtous.com</a> <font color="#FF0000">  Subject = Remove</font>  </body>i </html>    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:18:49 +0200w= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>n  Subject: Re: ISVs what about SAP) Message-ID: <39E32549.737DEA61@gtech.com>   
 Koloth wrote:tH > When SAP stopped supporting OpenVMS that was considered the straw that > broke the camel's back.O > B > At CETS 2000, Rich Marcello mentioned that the OpenVMS group wasE > spending money to support ISV's to get OpenVMS to Tier I status.  I J > would like to thanks Richard for this effort.  Is there any update as toB > if otr when SAP will be joining the ranks of software running on
 > OpenVMS? > H > If SAP will work again on OpenVMS then that definitely would be a very% > strong signal that OpenVMS is back..  ' I agree that SAP on VMS would be great.   , But getting it back is not necesarrily easy.  @ Compaq are apperently trying to get VMS back on the rigth track,> but think takes time and there are many obstacles on the road.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:14:38 GMTt% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>n  Subject: Re: ISVs what about SAP) Message-ID: <8rvf95$9ih$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  ) In article <39E32549.737DEA61@gtech.com>,r@   Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote: > Koloth wrote:gE > > When SAP stopped supporting OpenVMS that was considered the strawi  > > that broke the camel's back.  4 Well, DEC Europe was happy to help with that deal...  D > > At CETS 2000, Rich Marcello mentioned that the OpenVMS group wasG > > spending money to support ISV's to get OpenVMS to Tier I status.  I F > > would like to thanks Richard for this effort.  Is there any updateG > > as to if otr when SAP will be joining the ranks of software running- > > on OpenVMS?  > >1E > > If SAP will work again on OpenVMS then that definitely would be a , > > very strong signal that OpenVMS is back. > ) > I agree that SAP on VMS would be great.  >i. > But getting it back is not necesarrily easy.  D I have been told that OpenVMS is supported as the database back-end,D but I don't have any details. A search on SAP's web site didn't giveA anything - well, there was one document that contained 'OpenVMS',MC but that was about the GS80/160/320, where it was alloweed to exist  in a hard partition...  B > Compaq are apperently trying to get VMS back on the rigth track,@ > but think takes time and there are many obstacles on the road.  A Don't count on it. I recall from previous posts here that OpenVMSaB was never loved by the developers from SAP. In fact, management is? deeply in love with M$, because Bill hasn't screwed Hasso, yet,t3 like Larry did. New software will be on Winwoes NT.    --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:11:04 -0400 R From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com)! Subject: Re: layout for an LK471?u0 Message-ID: <00101008110490@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  H dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) wrote on Mon, 09 Oct 2000 18:49:20 -0000' in <su44pgmj0l8u7d@news.supernews.com>:d  @ > So I'm at my new job, wherein I am forced to use Windows NT4.0E > and some ridiculous lousy keyboard that is useless to me after moreIA > years than I can count using the good old LK201 layout.  I surff? > and find LK471 has the good layout and a PS/2 pin at the end,e" > but I'm left with two questions:  D I understand. I went on the same search last November, with success.G I am composing this on a Digital LK46W-A2 keyboard. Works like a champ.t I think it was $75 + tax.4  % > 1)  What do I do for the [ALT] key?t   LK46W has one.  A > 2)  Do the keys have the correct (i.e. Digital) "feel" to them?y  B It IS a Digital keyboard. It even has the block d|i|g|i|t|a|l logo on the bottom/  = > 3)  Why can't I find technical details and pictures of this  >     at compaq's website?  
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 All fixed.  1 At 02:34 AM 10/10/2000, Matthias Djurkovic wrote:tE >In article <5.0.0.25.2.20001009095607.00ac7c40@pop.clsp.uswest.net>,g* >   Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:E > > The VMS distribution is missing 3 libraries necessary to do this.  >They C > > are available for FTP from raptor.psccos.com via anonymous FTP.e	 >Download-< > > MYSQL_LIBS_AXP.ZIP or MYSQL_LIBS_VAX.ZIP as appropriate. > >m! > > Look for them in a few hours.  > >c >R5 >Many many thanks! But it I've just tried out and get. >a >530 ftp disallowed< >3# >:((( Could you please take a look?i >8 >TIA >a >F' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/o >Before you buy.   ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+eI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       | I | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |nI | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     | I | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |oI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:46:28 GMTb. From: Matthias Djurkovic <djurkovic@geonet.de>/ Subject: Re: MySQL Client for OpenVMS, Problems ) Message-ID: <8rvdkh$7vs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  G Hmmm. It seems, the god's don't like me and I have to drop my dreams of-G connecting VMS to MySQL from within a C-Program. Compiling is fine now,e; but the program does an ACCVIO in module C$STRLEN (functionn
 decc$strlen).t  F May I kindly ask you, if you would be willing to share the source-code< of the port with me, so that I could try to fix this myself?  D In article <5.0.0.25.2.20001010075304.02306e68@pop.clsp.uswest.net>,(   Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote: > All fixed. >o3 > At 02:34 AM 10/10/2000, Matthias Djurkovic wrote:pG > >In article <5.0.0.25.2.20001009095607.00ac7c40@pop.clsp.uswest.net>,l, > >   Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com> wrote:G > > > The VMS distribution is missing 3 libraries necessary to do this.. > >They/E > > > are available for FTP from raptor.psccos.com via anonymous FTP.a > >Downloadc> > > > MYSQL_LIBS_AXP.ZIP or MYSQL_LIBS_VAX.ZIP as appropriate. > > >-# > > > Look for them in a few hours.u > > >R > >y7 > >Many many thanks! But it I've just tried out and getw > >. > >530 ftp disallowedD > >P% > >:((( Could you please take a look?4 > >- > >TIA > >4 > >l) > >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/y > >Before you buy. >f > ------H > +-------------------------------+------------------------------------- --+t > | Dan O'Reilly) |                                       |aA > | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If 	 you     |e< > | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |A > | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho4	 Marx    |aH > +-------------------------------+------------------------------------- --+t >[ >]    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:08:33 +0200h= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: Newbie:  Mail) Message-ID: <39E322E1.486568E6@gtech.com>?   Didier Morandi wrote:h > Arne Vajhj wrote:D > > Please remember to make sure that you do not start a mail loop ! > @ > To avoid mail looping when detected (VMS will say so), use theC > undocumented underscore before the username. This disable the SET1 > FORWARD Mail command.u > = > Ex: $ mail/subj="Finally found you :-)" nl: DENVER::_SYSTEM   . That was not so much what I was worried about.  % I was more worried about the classic::3   - setup an outo-reply "I am on vacation until...">!   - forget to exclude email-listsu5   - subscribed to email-lists with list in FROM-field    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:20:15 +0100f/ From: Nigel Arnot <sysmgr@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>i Subject: re: nonfree Freeware36 Message-ID: <009F1634.86DC8CF3.8@maxwell.ph.kcl.ac.uk>  X > Can somebody please explain to me why the freeware CDROM costs $25 from the estore??? 0 >                                           ^^^^Z >   http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGroup_ID=790 > H > The real cost for shipping and handling a CD is not more than $3 - $4.J > Production costs, even for a small batch of CD's, should be no more than > two dollars. h  J That depends on volume: there's a mastering charge as well, perhaps $1500.7 How often is the disk remastered and how many are sold?T > I > Anything much beyond that makes the CD a commercial product and clearlys? > violates the licenses on most of the software on the disk.   s > C > Anybody at Compaq care to explain where the extra $20 is going???t   People?e  F Sure, it buys 2-3 hours from a minimum-wage slave who stuffs CDs into  envelopes, addresses them, etc.m  L But there's also going to be a requirement for a significant amount of time I from a computer professional to maintain the directory tree, add updates,a' do some degree of quality control, etc.d  E And in a company the size of Compaq, I'd imagine that "overheads" aresF quite large (cost of employing someone, cost of maintaining premises,  taxes, etc.). 100%? 200%?   J I wouldn't call $25 outrageous. And if it's freeware, it's open for anyoneE with a CDwriter to offer cheaper duplicates and pocket maybe $10 eachi. after the first three. Volunteers? I doubt it.   	Yours,e
 		Nigel Arnot - 		NRA@MAXWELL.PH.KCL.AC.UK                   e  7 		"In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded."a   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 15:03:00 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: nonfree Freewaref, Message-ID: <8rvb34$6cm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  O In article <39E2605A.EB57271B@isd.net>, Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> writes:  >David Mathog wrote: >>  X >> Can somebody please explain to me why the freeware CDROM costs $25 from the estore???1 >>                                           ^^^^*[ >>   http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGroup_ID=790e >> s >e& >Even Linux software can be expensive! >o' >Redhat 7.0 Basic workstation is $29.95 ' >                 Delux          $79.95D' >                 Professional  $179.95h  M What you're buying here, in addition to the CDs themselves, is a paper manualTT and varying levels of support.  These distributions also include different programs,G including, I think for the Professional variant, some that are not freegH (like a secure web server.)  You can download the redhat disk images forJ free from the redhat FTP server and make your own CD.  For the VMS CD you I can download the programs from free, but not a disk image of the CD (not _ that I've ever found, anyway.)  H Somebody else posted that $25 was a reasonable price for a low volume CDJ distribution.  I don't know if I agree with that or not, but it would tend@ to explain why the software library kits are so very expensive.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:26:21 -0400eR From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com)% Subject: Re: OpenVMS in Oil companies=0 Message-ID: <00101008262186@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  . "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.COM> wrote inA <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284864@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com> on   Mon, 09 Oct 2000 14:07:09 -0500:   <snip>M > Also, if interested in oil and gas exploration solutions, then you might be*J > interested in taking a look at : http://www.genetek.com/ (they use AlphaM > OpenVMS based workstations for oil and gas exploration and seismic analysissM > to take advantage of the Alpha floating point capabilities and stability ofo
 > OpenVMS) <snip>   Kerry,  H Great page for Compaq, however it does not mention OpenVMS. Are you sureI they are running OpenVMS? If so, please see if you can get them to changeg1 their page and mention the best op system around!e  
 Thank you,  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919 ; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919a5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094-   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:09:09 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)u% Subject: Re: OpenVMS in Oil companiesr0 Message-ID: <39e31c86.81938851@news.newsguy.com>  # On Mon, 09 Oct 2000 10:57:00 -0300,=* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  C >How many  OpenVMS System Managers work in oil companies/industry ?*K >Do you have ERP ? What plaftorm was choose and how is the situation of thee >OVMSk >systems now ?  E MANMAN on VMS is still heavily used in the oil industry supply chain. F It's a good question where MRP/MRP-II/ERP start and end and depends onC the salesman to a great extent imho... A small number of our plants"D have piloted SAP - the result of which is that MANMAN will remain inF place for several more years at least. CA have promised to continue toD update MANMAN. A major project is underway to link supplier ExtranetF apps into existing systems including MANMAN. Platform for the ExtranetD apps is Oracle 8i developed under NT but might in future be moved to VMS (at least locally).n  C European MANMAN sites just moved from VAX to Alpha 6 months ago. USbF operation considering same. Two years ago a move from VAX to Alpha wasD ruled out so the VMS perception has improved somewhat. Rich MarcelloD (VP Compaq OpenVMS) will visit or teleconference with decsion makersB if this might help an organisation regain confidence in the future viability of VMS.e  = Primary CAD/CAM system Unigraphics on HP-UX (once upon a timerB Unigraphics major installed base was VMS but DEC pushed the vendor6 away from VMS) Major engineering (as opposed to MANMANC manufacturing/financial) databases hosted on HP-UX, NT, VMS in thatnC order). Perception of VMS has improved sufficiently in last year toeD allow us to upgrade an old Oracle application in place on VMS ratherA than on HP-UX. Many senior decision makers expressed suprise at aiC recent demo of work in progress as senior consultants had told theme! this was not possible with VMS...i     >Regards >a >FC  >e >t   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 13:58:31 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)% Subject: Re: OpenVMS in Oil companies + Message-ID: <PZCvNGxDLKRx@eisner.decus.org>e  X In article <39e31c86.81938851@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:  = > Perception of VMS has improved sufficiently in last year tosF > allow us to upgrade an old Oracle application in place on VMS ratherC > than on HP-UX. Many senior decision makers expressed suprise at a E > recent demo of work in progress as senior consultants had told themc# > this was not possible with VMS..., >   7 	senior consultants?  You mean senior unix consultants?z   				Roby   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 10:26:09 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>r( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated productsH Message-ID: <y4lmvxxftq.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  2 Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> writes:  K > I agree 100% C/C++ is a defacto standard for development and (at the veryy% > least) SHOULD be bundled with OVMS.   K So Sun, SGI, HP, IBM are all giving their C and C++ compilers away for freeR with their systems? Show me.   	Jan   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:25:28 -0400*- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products, Message-ID: <39E2FCA1.D1035120@videotron.ca>   Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:M > So Sun, SGI, HP, IBM are all giving their C and C++ compilers away for freeo > with their systems? Show me.  L Perhaps. But consider the sad shape VMS is in, and consider that Compaq mustK make it very easy to own VMS in order to get VMS to regain some appeal. ThetJ lack of applications is one big drawback for VMS right now, so by at least8 providing the compiler, it helps alleviate that problem.  L Sun doesn't need to give a compiler because it is the premier target for isv< to supply executables, so customers need not roll their own.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:11:40 -0500_( From: Bob Brown <bbrown@harper.cc.il.us>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products5 Message-ID: <v0421010ab608c5bbe152@[157.178.130.128]>_  E Actually, SUN, HP and IBM don't give away their C compilers...hp, for F instance, gives away a minimal compiler that is just able to regen theF kernel..if you really want to do development, you gotta buy either theF ANSI-C compiler, or the C++ compiler.  Sun and IBM don't give 'em away either.s  F (of course, you can always get gcc for free and install it on any unix
 platform).   -Bob      * At 7:25 AM -0400 10/10/00, JF Mezei wrote: >Jan Vorbrueggen wrote:aO > > So Sun, SGI, HP, IBM are all giving their C and C++ compilers away for free<  > > with their systems? Show me. >eM >Perhaps. But consider the sad shape VMS is in, and consider that Compaq mustrL >make it very easy to own VMS in order to get VMS to regain some appeal. TheK >lack of applications is one big drawback for VMS right now, so by at least 9 >providing the compiler, it helps alleviate that problem.o >'M >Sun doesn't need to give a compiler because it is the premier target for isv>= >to supply executables, so customers need not roll their own.<  	 Bob Brown> Saved by grace< Intranet Sysadmin Page: http://info1.harper.cc.il.us/~bbrown   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:40:36 +0100a+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products' Message-ID: <39E33874.48D46714@iee.org>h   Bob Brown wrote:H > (of course, you can always get gcc for free and install it on any unix > platform).  C Unless things have changed, you can get gcc for free and install ite on any OpenVMS platform. n  7 There are plenty of commercial products out there built 
 using gcc.   Antoniof   -- n   ---------------p- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org>   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:37:45 +0000d From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>e( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products' Message-ID: <39E353E9.C9F424E0@fsi.net>i   Brian Wheeler wrote: > 0 > In article <8rt2e9$fdc$3@info.service.rug.nl>,6 >         helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:9 > > In article <39E208BB.D705B041@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei6* > > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > >1R > >> Or perhaps, what Compaq should do is provide an environment where precompiledM > >> and up-to-date versions of the "basics" (perl, ghostscript, OSU, Apache,*' > >> kermit, mosaic etc) are available.n > >pK > > It would be enough to have a .COM file which prompts you for a package,eC > > copies the stuff from the freeware CD, prompts you for a targetdK > > directory (with a sensible default like DISK$SOFT:[package_name], whereS# > > DISK$SOFT is not SYS$SYSDEVICE)- > L > In some cases (such as mine) it would have to be the same disk, but that's > beside the point.j > ( > > , builds the stuff in that directoryK > > (here, one needs to know the ins and outs of the original build commandcI > > files) and so on.  There can be some global prompts at the beginning,yJ > > which can be overridden for individual packages, like whether to buildK > > for VAX, ALPHA or both (with the appropriate commands to compile on theaK > > appropriate machine if necessary), whether to add the help files to ther@ > > main help at the top level, in a secondary help library etc. > K > That would be very cool.  Trying to equip my VMS 7.2 box with the stuff IpO > use quite often under Linux (perl, a webserver, tar, gzip, generic GNU tools)u > is a pain.  Having it either:- >  >         1) easily installable3- >         2) buildable from _ORIGINAL_ sourcem > P > would be fabulous...and would take away an excuse as to why I haven't upgraded > my old software. > I > In some respects, the latter is a better option, mainly because its notoN > limited to the 'supported' packages, but probably can cover quite a bit more9 > software.  Unfortunatly, it also the harder of the two.i > K > While this is probably blasphemy, it would really be nice to have a largeo. > set of the GPL'd software available for VMS.  G No, I don't think that's blasphemy. However, as Hunter has mentioned in F the past, to the Gnu "core" people, VMS doesn't exist. He reports that( they have rather an attitude about that.   David J. Dachtera3   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:45:35 GMTc, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com- Subject: Re: Parsing Query_String with Apache-) Message-ID: <8rv31e$ukj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>'  , In article <39E29368.E9CF994F@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:A > On the real VMS web server (OSU), there is a module that parses D > www-url-encoded POST data and sets DCL symbols with the values (as well as B > setting a DCL symbol which contains the list of fields supplied)  D Yeah, been there, done that.  I'm already running OSU on one clusterC (have been, since 1.9), but I figure it's time to get familiar withtB Apache, too.  And after all, I'm not running DECnet on my home VMSF system, and docu on setting up OSU w/o DECnet is next to impossible to; find.  The Apache installation was smooth, simple, and wellsE documented.  As a matter of fact, the web server itself is almost TOOeC well documented (something OSU's never had to worry about -- sorry, C Dave), which is what brought me to posing my question -- I couldn'taF find a reference I needed for parsing the variables.  Rather than wadeE through TONS of examples and docu, I thought I'd ask to see if anyonee$ else had been down this road before.  E > It would be possible in DCL, but very tedious. www-url-encoded datav needs toD > be parsed not only to separate field names, field values, but also convert ; > special characters from numeric value to their character.i  F Not really.  I've got the basics down (splitting out the variables and@ setting them) in 19 lines of DCL.  Yes, I've still got to do theG encoded character handling, but I've got some ideas on how to easily do @ that.  It's been nearly trivial so far (only one bug in my firstB attempt, and that was due to fat fingers on the keyboard!)  But to continue, I need specs!(  C Hmmmm....  Looking at the code again this morning, I think I may be A able to streamline those 19 lines by chopping out another 3-5 and . rolling 2 loops into one...  but I digress....   Aaron- --" "OpenVMS: The OS MS wanted NT 2B."    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:10:19 GMTo% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> ! Subject: Re: Rename File Questionw) Message-ID: <8rufcq$g15$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  . In article <39E1D54F.38ACE@trailing-edge.com>,.   Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote: > Richard L. Dyson wrote:D > >o= > > I have a simple question that I hope has a simple answer!- > >-F > > How would I rename a file (OpenVMS 6.2 & v7.x) from "filename.ext"F > > to ".ext".  That is, with no filename part, just a leading dot (.)3 > > and some extension.  (Like a Unix hidden file).n > >oF > > VMS always wants to slip in a "default" of the old filename when I > > use COPY and RENAME. > > B > > I can create such a file, but I want to rename a collection ofD > > files to "hidden" filenames without having to re-create them one > > at a time. >uC > Good question.  Even LIB$RENAME will preserve the part before the D > dot.  (Not surprising, HELP LIB LIB$RENAME Arguments tells me thatA > the functionality is the same as the DCL RENAME command!  Doh!)i  < I have played with '$ SET FILE/ENTER', but even this has the 'sticky default'.   D > Let me know any good answers you get (i.e. ones that don't involveG > creating any new files.)  Right now I have a little command procedurek5 > that actually uses EDT to create a new output file.3   A plain SYS$RENAME will work:>   #++a # RENAME.PY - rename a filem #h! # $ python RENAME.PY OLD.DAT .NEW  #--s   import pyvms, sys, vms_sys   if (len(sys.argv) != 3):     print 'need 2 parameters'o.     print '$ python RENAME.PY OLD.DAT NEW.DAT'     sys.exit(1)    RMS__NORMAL = 65537p   fab_old = pyvms.vmsobj_fab() fab_old.FNA = 'OLD.DAT'c   fab_new = pyvms.vmsobj_fab() fab_new.FNA = '.NEW'  6 status = vms_sys.rename (fab_old, None, None, fab_new)   if (status <> RMS__NORMAL):e     sys.exit(fab_old.L_STS)    sys.exit(1)a # eofa  : This is a Python script - I guess you can turn this into a0 3GL program. Python for OpenVMS is available at:)     http://decus.decus.de/~zessin/python/t   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:45:46 +0900 2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com>! Subject: Re: Rename File Questionq+ Message-ID: <39E3016A.205C73A3@digital.com>r   $c $u
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 $ run/nodeb xt $,
 $ dir *.x*   Directory DKA200:[RECHTMAN]a   .XX;1a   Total of 1 file. $r $  $t $ ty x.cC /* This program calls the RMS service SYS$RENAME to rename the file)    'X.X' to '.XX' */   #include rms main()  D /*   This is the call to rename.  If there is an error, 'lib$signal' will      display the error. */ {$    int rms_status;%    rms_status = _rename("x.x",".xx"); 9    if (rms_status != RMS$_NORMAL) lib$signal(rms_status);  }   = _rename(oldname,newname)        /* Function to rename file */.G char *oldname,*newname;         /* Arguments are pointers to charactersr */ {hE int stat;                       /* return status from 'sys$rename' */fH struct FAB oldfab,newfab;       /* Set up templates for old & new FAB */H struct NAM oldnam,newnam;       /* Set up templates for old & new NAM */ /*E    The following declarations are for the old and new extended stringt0    addresses and resultant string addresses.  */  5 char oldrsa[255],oldesa[255],newrsa[255],newesa[255];t<    oldfab = cc$rms_fab;         /* Initialize input 'fab' */<    oldnam = cc$rms_nam;         /* Initialize input 'nam' */H    oldfab.fab$l_fna = oldname;  /* Addr of old filename from arg list */C    oldfab.fab$b_fns = strlen(oldname); /* Length of old filename */rH    oldfab.fab$l_nam = &oldnam;  /* Point the 'fab' to the 'nam' block */G    oldnam.nam$l_esa = &oldesa;  /* Init the pointers and size fields */l7    oldnam.nam$l_rsa = &oldrsa;  /* of the ESA & RSA. */eH    oldnam.nam$b_ess = 255;      /* These variables are declared above */    oldnam.nam$b_rss = 255;=    newfab = cc$rms_fab;         /* Initialize output 'fab' */ <    newnam = cc$rms_nam;         /* Initialize input 'nam' */H    newfab.fab$l_fna = newname;  /* Addr of new filename from arg list */C    newfab.fab$b_fns = strlen(newname); /* Length of new filename */oH    newfab.fab$l_nam = &newnam;  /* Point the 'fab' to the 'nam' block */F    newnam.nam$l_esa = &newesa;  /* Initialize pointers and size fields */7    newnam.nam$l_rsa = &newrsa;  /* of the ESA & RSA. */lH    newnam.nam$b_ess = 255;      /* These variables are declared above */    newnam.nam$b_rss = 255;  G /* This is the call to the RMS service SYS$RENAME to rename file.  NotetG    that there are 2 null arguments passed between the old and new fabs.1 */F    stat = sys$rename(&oldfab,0,0,&newfab);      /* Call to rename file */F    return(stat);                        /* return RMS status to caller */ }c $0         Richard L. Dyson wrote:l > ; > I have a simple question that I hope has a simple answer!m > G > How would I rename a file (OpenVMS 6.2 & v7.x) from "filename.ext" toeJ > ".ext".  That is, with no filename part, just a leading dot (.) and some( > extension.  (Like a Unix hidden file). > H > VMS always wants to slip in a "default" of the old filename when I use > COPY and RENAME. > I > I can create such a file, but I want to rename a collection of files toVD > "hidden" filenames without having to re-create them one at a time. > 
 > Regards, > Rick > --J > Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduJ >  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/J > | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879J > | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17538 > | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy/ >  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479e   -- DE ----------------------------------------------------------------------E Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.S? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*EF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------n -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----n Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:51:55 -0400wR From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com)! Subject: Re: Rename File Question 0 Message-ID: <00101007515585@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  3 "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote in t> <39E1BB5C.46B8CCE9@uiowa.edu> on Mon, 9 Oct 2000 17:34:36 GMT:  ; > I have a simple question that I hope has a simple answer!o > G > How would I rename a file (OpenVMS 6.2 & v7.x) from "filename.ext" to J > ".ext".  That is, with no filename part, just a leading dot (.) and some( > extension.  (Like a Unix hidden file). > H > VMS always wants to slip in a "default" of the old filename when I use > COPY and RENAME. > I > I can create such a file, but I want to rename a collection of files togD > "hidden" filenames without having to re-create them one at a time.  J Attached is a small program from Hein van den Heuvel sent me back in 1996.  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919i; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919r5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094s   #ifdef SOURCE_OF_PROGRAM<   From:	SMTP%"vandenheuvel@eps.enet.dec.com" 960729 17313776   To:	JAMES-;   Subj:	Re: Rename files and dropping the name or extension@  .   Return-Path: <Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com>?   From: vandenheuvel@eps.enet.dec.com (Hein RMS van den Heuvel)    X-Newsgroups: comp.os.vms5>   Subject: Re: Rename files and dropping the name or extension   Date: 29 JUL 96 13:33:13-   Organization: Digital Equipment Corporationt   Lines: 30o,   Message-ID: <4tiu4t$rns@nntpd.lkg.dec.com>   To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd   X-Gateway-Source-Info: USENETa  1   In article <960726152517.2040116b@mml.mmc.com>,sI   "Ed James 410-204-2042 james@mml.mmc.com" <JAMES@mml.mmc.com> writes...   E   >Is it possible to rename a file  xxx.yyy  to something without the-?   >name part, i.e.  .yyy  ?  Or, same idea,  xxx.yyy  to  xxx.?a  2   $RENAME/LOG xxx.yyy xxx.  ! Notice trailing dot.  C   The xxx.yyy is tricky because all VMS software tries to 'help' byvI   providing default file names. The C RTL function rename does this also.i6   You'll need a little proggie to get avoid this help: #endif /* SOURCE_OF_PROGRAM */   #include stdio #include rms main(int argc, char *argv[])     {o     struct FAB new,old;l     if ( argc != 3 ) {&          fprintf( stderr, "Usage:\n");J          fprintf( stderr, "rename_null_filename  old_fspec  new_fspec\n");          return 276;     }      new = old = cc$rms_fab;e     old.fab$l_fna = argv[1];&     old.fab$b_fns = strlen( argv[1] );     new.fab$l_fna = argv[2];&     new.fab$b_fns = strlen( argv[2] );+     return sys$rename ( &old, 0, 0, &new );l
     }        e   #ifdef SOURCE_OF_PROGRAM<   Hope this helps,		+--------------------------------------+H   Hein van den Heuvel, Digital.	| All opinions expressed are mine, and |E     "Makers of VMS and other	| may not reflect those of my employer |fF      fine Operating Systems."	+--------------------------------------+ #endif /* SOURCE_OF_PROGRAM */   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 14:51:44 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)! Subject: Re: Rename File Question-, Message-ID: <8rvae0$6cm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  Q In article <8rufcq$g15$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com> writes:s/ >In article <39E1D54F.38ACE@trailing-edge.com>,./ >  Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:a >> Richard L. Dyson wrote: >> >> >> > I have a simple question that I hope has a simple answer! >> >G >> > How would I rename a file (OpenVMS 6.2 & v7.x) from "filename.ext"NG >> > to ".ext".  That is, with no filename part, just a leading dot (.)h4 >> > and some extension.  (Like a Unix hidden file). >> >G >> > VMS always wants to slip in a "default" of the old filename when IJ >> > use COPY and RENAME.e >> >C >> > I can create such a file, but I want to rename a collection oflE >> > files to "hidden" filenames without having to re-create them one  >> > at a time.s >>D >> Good question.  Even LIB$RENAME will preserve the part before theE >> dot.  (Not surprising, HELP LIB LIB$RENAME Arguments tells me thatnB >> the functionality is the same as the DCL RENAME command!  Doh!) >e >m >A plain SYS$RENAME will work: >l  J The C rename() function will not work though, it has the "sticky" behaviorK as well. That's true even when paths in Unix format are used to specify the 
 file names.  e   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edui? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech c   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:54:30 GMTj% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)e/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logow0 Message-ID: <39e2d90d.64666705@news.newsguy.com>  > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:05:53 -0400, "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)"  <John.C.Koska@bender.com> wrote:  > >Yeah, and I'd like that on a tee-shirt in the OpenVMS eStore! >   D The OpenVMS shark did appear on a couple of t-shirts at one time. As did the VMS griffin.   >:) jck  >  >> -----Original Message------7 >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]:, >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:19 PM >> To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com2 >> Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo >>   >>   >> Warren Sander wrote:aF >> > Anyway. No the shark isn't the offical OpenVMS logo [but at leastF >> > shell boy is gone] but it has found a place in the hearts of many+ >> > of our customers. I just can't use it.n >> w >> Why can't you use it ?p >> aA >> You just need to change the Digital to Compaq, and openVMS to > >> VMS, and you'ds5 >> have an updated, real logo that pleases customers.  >> k >i   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:39:03 -0400s# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>s/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logoe+ Message-ID: <39E32A07.FD6A050F@hsc.vcu.edu>k  A There was a griffin once???  Wasn't that the RSX dragon? or what?E   jim    Alan Greig wrote:  > @ > On Thu, 05 Oct 2000 11:05:53 -0400, "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)"" > <John.C.Koska@bender.com> wrote: > @ > >Yeah, and I'd like that on a tee-shirt in the OpenVMS eStore! > >i > F > The OpenVMS shark did appear on a couple of t-shirts at one time. As > did the VMS griffin. > 	 > >:) jcke > >e > >> -----Original Message-----h9 > >> From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca]r. > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2000 9:19 PM > >> To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com4 > >> Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo > >> > >> > >> Warren Sander wrote:tH > >> > Anyway. No the shark isn't the offical OpenVMS logo [but at leastH > >> > shell boy is gone] but it has found a place in the hearts of many- > >> > of our customers. I just can't use it.h > >> > >> Why can't you use it ?l > >>B > >> You just need to change the Digital to Compaq, and openVMS to > >> VMS, and you'de7 > >> have an updated, real logo that pleases customers.f > >> > >  >  > -- > Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:38:11 -0000r% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)u/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logoo. Message-ID: <su6dv3kpr5o1b@news.supernews.com>  ; "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> wrote:e? > Yeah, and I'd like that on a tee-shirt in the OpenVMS eStore!h  B I happen to be wearing my shark t-shirt today.  I'm sure I did not> buy it so I must have received it as a freebie during a DECUS.   ok dpm  -- u3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/-- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.com5C                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)PC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:Murphy_DavidP@emc.com        (work)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:08:05 +0200., From: Nigel Barker <nigel.barker@compaq.com>/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo 8 Message-ID: <0kf6uso3dibt8iaeom0arfn12nfdvkdmf8@4ax.com>  H On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 10:39:03 -0400, Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> wrote:  B >There was a griffin once???  Wasn't that the RSX dragon? or what?  ? That would be a gryphon. This was the codename for OpenVMS V7.1    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:04:46 +0100C  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com* Subject: RE: Sun Hardware problems persistH Message-ID: <OF92CA7E1F.1BD048BC-ON80256974.005806A8@qedi.quintiles.com>  3 All I can say to that Kerry is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!t  I I would far rather have to drive an hour to get to work to un-clog a hungoH cluster (or one that has entered a User Data Integrity Check phase) than< have to spend more than a day restoring the stuff from tape.   Steve.  < Kerry Main (kerry dot main at compaq dot com) wrote/quoted :
 >>>Andrew,  I >>> In addition there is the question of why a configuration change could 0 have hung the supposedly un-hangable cluster.<<<    = When did anyone ever say OpenVMS clusters were "un-hangable"?a  F If a specific HW/SW change results in the cluster not operating in theA co-ordinated fashion as it was designed, rather than risking dataoI corruption, then one option is to hang until someone manually intervenes.d  D Nothing new here. I suspect most Customers (including those on otherJ platforms) would agree that data integrity is paramount. In the event of aG HW or SW failure, they would prefer a hung system rather than deal withi corrupted data.<<<   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:12:45 GMTo From: richard_maher@my-deja.com. Subject: The Evil Within) Message-ID: <8rvf5l$9h7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  E (Before reading this, please be aware that I couldn't care less about-A RTR. My only interest stems from the fact that I believe that RTRnE engineering (ably assisted in this matter by the unbridled ineptitued$G of VMS management) has layed siege to DECdtm's budget/functionality and F currently has its talons into any future Transaction Internet Protocol functionality on VMS)s  A I went looking for some Compaq reference to back up what Carl was F saying, and didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I came across the following web site:l  H http://www.openvms.digital.com/ebusiness_without_compromise/fact/OPENVMS	 -V73.HTMLn  G Can anyone confirm that the planned bundling of RTR in V7.3 is for run-n
 time only?  > Forgive my crapulence in the rest of this reply but I know howF important TIP and DECdtm are to VMS's longevity and I can't understandF how can you people can sit back while the RTR scorpion drives its tail repeatedly into the VMS frog!f  F I for one will applaud and, if at all possible, contibute to any anti-E trust action brought against Compaq over the bundling of RTR.  DECdtmiF is an intrinsic part of the operating system - RTR is *not*. DECdtm is@ the VMS equivilent of MTS - RTR is *not*. RTR is *not* DECdtm. I? thought IBM was in the process of porting the latest version ofaC MQSeries to Alpha/VMS, so how does Compaq reward them? By trying too( undermine MQSeries with a give away RTR?  D "If you implement with MQSeries then your customers will have to payE IBM license fees, but if you develop with RTR then your customers get3B it for free!" "But hey, whoever said that we're into level playing fields here at Compaq?"x   IBM              MQSeriesp BEA              MessageQf Reuters          TIBCO Tier3 Software   TIER3  @ Probably not enough people for class action but more than enoughB lawyers to write "Please explain" letters. Does anyone know a mail5 address for the Attorney General's Antitrust Section?   E >It does, however, make VMS a more attractive platform for web stuff,o especially in combination withE >the Apache implementation they jsut released. The idea of e-businessD pretty much revolves around F >transactions, and the other products for the job cost a lot of money. I know, we just bought oneE >here - I don't think I'm allowed to give numbers, but it's more thanQ enough for several people to >retire on.g >l? >Anybody know if they're just bundling RTR for VMS, or are they  throwing in thes# >other platforms' versions with it?  >* >Shane  E To answer your question - Yes. I imagine that it is planned to bundlexA RTR on TRU64 and NT. I'm sure that Dipu's vision knows no bounds.f  C But let me ask you a question:- "Where have you been?" Have you notcE heard of the Transaction Internet Protocol? Do you not understand thetC beauty of a two-pipe strategy and the fact that the days of needing.D product X everywhere are dead? Have you heard of MTS? it's made by aB reasonably successful company called Microsoft and guess what it'sF free! And you know what else? DECdtm is free! And if it wasn't for theG treacherous RTR empire building that's going on then a TIP URL could bemE happily passed from MTS to DECdtm to NonStop SQL/MP and everyone elseeG who supports the standard regardless of the software/hardware that theye are running!  D Don't let them pillage VMS. Dipu's minions are probably cutting codeE right now (funded from God knows where. Some previously plundered VMSdE village no doubt.) trying to make RTR TIP compatible so that they canIG offer you a fait accompli. Please get in touch with your Compaq rep andnF tell him that you want DECdtm upgraded and don't want your VMS license" fees going to some RTR slush fund.   Regards Richard Maher.  ( PS. Have anyone seen Jim Johnson lately?  F PPS. Although I'm not fond of ACMS, don't forget that ACMSxp gives youE Rdb/VMS <-> W2K SQL Server 2PC "Right here! Right now!" without *any*s RTR.  B PPPS. "And if you tolerate this, then your children will be next."    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.5   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 07:35:26 -0400a2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.7 Message-ID: <200010100735_MC2-B65E-EAAF@compuserve.com>/  H         Well, if the standard is bug for bug compatibility with UCX, youJ can't beat UCX.  In days gone by, if you wanted a TCP/IP package in which=  G SMTP actually worked (could send and receive mail reliably(V2.0E, V3.0, J V3.1, V3.2 and V3.3 ECO 8 could not)), or in which  FTP MPUT or MGET woul= d J handle  more than 32 files at a time, or . . . you bought something besid= es UCX.  J         I forget the details but, as recently as TCP/IP V5.0, there was a=  J fairly serious bug which was the principle reason for 5.0A.   UCX 3.3 had=  G 14 ECOs the last time I looked and the release notes for the last ECO It@ applied (8?) ran to a couple of hundred pages for a very cursory description of each bug fixed.  ' Message text written by "Mike Flaherty"lE >> 2) What can Multinet do that UCX can't (what will we be giving up)"  H > 2.  Quality!  Both Multinet and UCX are ports of the Berkeley code butE > Multinet has a multi-year head start!  DECpaq, up until TCP/IP 5.0Ad was/isJ > still finding and fixing the Berkeley bugs plus the ones they introduce= di > during the porte  J If this is the case then why do I keep running into problems with Multine= ttJ that can only be fixed with patches from Process Software that emulate UC= X J drivers.  For example I installed the Compaq supported version of Apache.=  =   I:F followed the installation guide to the letter but I couldn't get it to start B up.  Once I mentioned to Compaq support that I was using Multinet,H everything was clear.  They said there was a known problem with Multinet andyJ that I had to give OPER privilege to the APACHE server account to make it=  G work.  I mentioned this in a seperate post on this newsgroup and Huntera= Goatley, presumably with Process Software, had this to say...t  J *************************************************************************= ** *  ****C Just to clarify that, it was due to Apache using a UCX feature thateB MultiNet didn't emulate, but it does with the latest UCXDRIVER ECOF kit for MultiNet and in MultiNet V4.3A.  If you install the ECO kit orA upgrade to MultiNet V4.3A, you no longer have to give the account+ any privileges.$ <S   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:35:58 -0600L- From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> 4 Subject: Trade-offs regarding Installed Known Images; Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7681B1@DENXCH>y  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C032E0.8E159F7EM Content-Type: text/plain;: 	charset="iso-8859-1"u  H Here's a "back-to-basics":  I've got a client-server application used byD upwards of dozens of remote users, so understanding and reducing theH resource impact of open files vs. installed/known images seems importantI here.  If I do a $ SHOW DEVICE /FILES SYS$SYSDEVICE, I can ferret out thefL following list for each and every typical user (here, "U_NAME") connected to/ the host/server side of this application suite:e  5 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]SCNRTL_TV.EXE;1m9 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]LIBRTL_D56_TV.EXE;1s< U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]SECURESHR_JACKET.EXE;19 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]PASRTL_D56_TV.EXE;1i8 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]TIE$MESSAGES.EXE;13 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]SCN$MSG.EXE;1 3 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]SQL$MSG.EXE;3 8 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]CXXL$MSG_SHR.EXE;13 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]EPC$MSG.EXE;1 3 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]SORTMSG.EXE;1q6 U_NAME   00003D47  [VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]RIGHTSLIST.DAT;1  J It seems to me that it'd be beneficial to go ahead and INSTALL each of theJ .EXE's as /OPEN /SHARE /HEADER_RES, so here's a multi-part question (Hoff,. I'd really like your insider's 2-cents worth):  L 1.  What are the real tradeoffs here?  Reduced open-file count (per multipleJ users) and  CHANNELCNT, obviously, vs. global pages/sections (I can surelyI SYSGEN some more, since this is not a physical memory challenged system)?m What else, if anything?I  I Indeed, these are mostly "just" system message and transfer-vector files,aI but having a copy open/attached for each and every application user seems. extravagant, eh?  J Seems like we'd enjoy (somewhat) faster application startup as well as allJ the good things about a known/shared image (single shared copy in memory),J but other than devoting more global pages/sections to this, what downside?  C 2.  Any advantage to including RIGHTSLIST.DAT as an INSTALLed file?a  J 3.  If the advantages come down in favor of installing the files from thisK list, why doesn't VMS install 'em by default?  I know, this would vary frommK application to application, but should VMS be more aggressive in this area,cF esp. with large memory systems being more common now than in the past?  K I'd appreciate some pertinent experiences and viewpoints on this one before ? I go off and write an "install 'em all" com-file.  Many thanks!i  @ Lorin Ricker                            Lorin.Ricker@T-NETIX.com
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 5.5.2650.12">e: <TITLE>Trade-offs regarding Installed Known Images</TITLE> </HEAD>. <BODY>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Here's a &quot;back-to-basics&quot;:&nbsp; I've got a = I client-server application used by upwards of dozens of remote users, so = B understanding and reducing the resource impact of open files vs. =E installed/known images seems important here.&nbsp; If I do a $ SHOW =oF DEVICE /FILES SYS$SYSDEVICE, I can ferret out the following list for =I each and every typical user (here, &quot;U_NAME&quot;) connected to the =u6 host/server side of this application suite:</FONT></P>  5 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =h) [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]SCNRTL_TV.EXE;1</FONT>e6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =- [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]LIBRTL_D56_TV.EXE;1</FONT> 6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =0 [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]SECURESHR_JACKET.EXE;1</FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =- [VMS$COMMON.SYSLIB]PASRTL_D56_TV.EXE;1</FONT> 6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =, [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]TIE$MESSAGES.EXE;1</FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =' [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]SCN$MSG.EXE;1</FONT>.6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =' [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]SQL$MSG.EXE;3</FONT>-6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =, [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]CXXL$MSG_SHR.EXE;1</FONT>6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =' [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]EPC$MSG.EXE;1</FONT>56 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =' [VMS$COMMON.SYSMSG]SORTMSG.EXE;1</FONT>a6 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>U_NAME&nbsp;&nbsp; 00003D47&nbsp; =* [VMS$COMMON.SYSEXE]RIGHTSLIST.DAT;1</FONT> </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>It seems to me that it'd be beneficial to go ahead =I and INSTALL each of the .EXE's as /OPEN /SHARE /HEADER_RES, so here's a =aC multi-part question (Hoff, I'd really like your insider's 2-cents =. worth):</FONT></P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>1.&nbsp; What are the real tradeoffs here?&nbsp; =D Reduced open-file count (per multiple users) and&nbsp; CHANNELCNT, =F obviously, vs. global pages/sections (I can surely SYSGEN some more, =D since this is not a physical memory challenged system)?&nbsp; What = else, if anything?</FONT></P>u  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Indeed, these are mostly &quot;just&quot; system =H message and transfer-vector files, but having a copy open/attached for =A each and every application user seems extravagant, eh?</FONT></P>1  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Seems like we'd enjoy (somewhat) faster application =RC startup as well as all the good things about a known/shared image =FE (single shared copy in memory), but other than devoting more global =o1 pages/sections to this, what downside?</FONT></P>n  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>2.&nbsp; Any advantage to including RIGHTSLIST.DAT as =@ an INSTALLed file?</FONT>Y </P>  D <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>3.&nbsp; If the advantages come down in favor of =E installing the files from this list, why doesn't VMS install 'em by = I default?&nbsp; I know, this would vary from application to application, = H but should VMS be more aggressive in this area, esp. with large memory =: systems being more common now than in the past?</FONT></P>  A <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'd appreciate some pertinent experiences and = G viewpoints on this one before I go off and write an &quot;install 'em = 1 all&quot; com-file.&nbsp; Many thanks!</FONT></P>e   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lorin = I Ricker&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= I &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=t8 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Lorin.Ricker@T-NETIX.com</FONT>( <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Lock&amp;Track</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>T-NETIX, =lI Inc.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=1I bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=u% bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (303)705-5575</FONT>61 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>67 Inverness Drive East</FONT>L( <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Englewood, Colorado =( 80112&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A =$ HREF=3D"http://www.LockTrack.com/" =6 TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.LockTrack.com/</A></FONT> </P>   </BODY>t </HTML>e) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C032E0.8E159F7E--    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 08:45:02 -0400r3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com> 0 Subject: Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.126 Message-ID: <8rv309$2st$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   >. TheK >. OSU server automagically reads the user's home directory from the SYSUAF0 file.r- >. How can I get Apache to do the same thing?j  K The current releases of Apache (V1.3.12 and CSWS V1) from Compaq do not userK the SYSUAF file for authentication or to get information about the user. Wew* are considering this for our next release.   Gaitan D'Antonia. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderF http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html Compaq Computer Corporation    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:57:19 GMTC From: onedbguru@my-deja.coms0 Subject: Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12) Message-ID: <8rvaob$5a9$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  E I would think that this would be very high on the list of priorities.   ' Now if I can get METHOD=POST to work...i   Michael Austin DBA Consultant    6 In article <8rv309$2st$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,6   "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com> wrote: > >. TheF > >. OSU server automagically reads the user's home directory from the SYSUAF > file.t/ > >. How can I get Apache to do the same thing?q >tE > The current releases of Apache (V1.3.12 and CSWS V1) from Compaq doa not useuD > the SYSUAF file for authentication or to get information about the user. We, > are considering this for our next release. >  > Gaitan D'Antonie0 > Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderH > http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html > Compaq Computer Corporation  >  >e    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 06:32:46 -0400W0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001010063246.009f79b0@discovery.fuentez.com>  & At 01:44 AM 10/10/2000 GMT, you wrote:+ >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:p> >> In <9EPD5.597$iY1.12813@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>, on 10/08/00 9 >>    at 12:24 AM, "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> said:e >cJ >>>Are any commercial databases available for VMS hobbyist (at no charge)? >b >>>Marco >tJ >> No, but if you scrounge around in the FTP sites you can find source forL >> freeware databases.  Ingres used to release really old versions of itselfJ >> for free on other platforms.  Perhaps an old version of VMS Ingres (are( >> there any others?) will be out there. >eJ >To the best of my knowledge you're not going to find any free versions ofK >Ingres for VMS.  I'm always on the lookout for a database that can be used 1 >by Hobbyists, and so far haven't found anything.  >V: >One possibility that I just remembered is Interbase, see:J >http://www.interbase.com/  It's now opensource using the Mozilla license,J >and old versions ran on OpenVMS.  I just snagged the source and am in theJ >process of unpacking it.  I'm wondering if there is anything dealing with >OpenVMS in there....  >sL >Well, there is mention of VMS in there, but I'm guessing it's going to takeB >someone better with programming than me to make anything of this. >R >			ZaneI First, (lest I fan any potential flames) let me say that I am a long time.@ VMS user/developer/administrator who dearly loves this fine OS.      That said...  I Free/low cost databases for VMS??? You have got to be kidding!!! The onlytK thing that comes "free" from commercial companies for OpenVMS might be somelG illuminated bouncing balls to help you vent your frustration. Here's antJ example of how the "big boys" treat VMS. If you do a lot of cross-platformI development on Oracle, they make Oracle Enterprise available (through the H Oracle Technology Network) on nearly every platform under the Sun (sorryJ ... no pun or enticement to Andrew intended) for $200 EXCEPT VMS. Here's a "sample" price list.   Oracle Enterprise for NT $200o  Oracle Enterprise for Linux $200" Oracle Enterprise for Solaris $200  Oracle Enterprise for HP-UX $200  Oracle Enterprise for Tru64 $200 Oracle Enterprise for AIX $2002 Oracle Enterprise for OpenVMS $70K for Alpha DS-10  J Wasn't there a post saying that Oracle was committed to support OpenVMS? I/ don't call the above policy support, I call it o   1. Price gouging 2. Extortion 3. A fast track into obliviono  J There is a mindset among a lot of companies (including Compaq) that if you run OpenVMS that eitherr   1. You have very deep pockets.J 2. They have got you right by your bouncing illuminated souveniers and you will just sigh and pay up.  , No wonder the flight from OpenVMS continues.   Just my .02'   Regards,   Jimo8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-r7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.s8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemsy Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAw  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235a Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com a        jhjennis@shentel.neta& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 15:06:10 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?, Message-ID: <8rvb92$6cm@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  j In article <6wuE5.334$_7.142672@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> writes: >a: >One possibility that I just remembered is Interbase, see:J >http://www.interbase.com/  It's now opensource using the Mozilla license,J >and old versions ran on OpenVMS.  I just snagged the source and am in theJ >process of unpacking it.  I'm wondering if there is anything dealing with >OpenVMS in there....  >S  J I had a look at that at one point and it was very ugly.  There were a few F VMS comments but they seemed to be vestigial remnants of some ancient L version of the code.  Good luck porting that beast - I think you'll need it!   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.educ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech e   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:13:13 +0000 (GMT)2, From: Bill McLaughlin <mcbill20@hotmail.com>( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?5 Message-ID: <F102njQ8vjqueolj8Je00010b6a@hotmail.com>s  I I ran into this same issue. Oracle for my NT machine is a couple hundred o? dollars. Oracle doesn't offer a "personal use" version for VMS.V  J I talked to an Oracle person about this. (I can't give a name for obvious L reasons.) I was told that they can't send me a VMS CD without me paying the I full VMS price. But, if I can find a VMS CD to borrow, they don't really aI care if I install it, as long as it's not for any type of commercial use.   ? (LOL, this sounds suspiciously like "Don't ask, don't tell"...)C  M So, if you aren't using your hobbyist box to set up a commercial web site, I oH would think you can run Oracle. I certainly wouldn't expect them to put H something like this in writing, but since it obviously benefits them by = having more people learning Oracle, they probably don't mind.t  J Is anyone else here running Oracle on a hobbyist machine? Maybe others in * the group can offer some additional input?  I One last thing about Oracle though...if you run 8i on VMS, make sure you cK have lots of memory. I have 128mb but I get a lot of paging *and* swapping   with just one instance running.s   Bill McLaughlina    + >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: > > > In <9EPD5.597$iY1.12813@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>, on 10/08/00: > >    at 12:24 AM, "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> said: > K > >>Are any commercial databases available for VMS hobbyist (at no charge)?g >s	 > >>Marcoe >aK > > No, but if you scrounge around in the FTP sites you can find source forvG > > freeware databases.  Ingres used to release really old versions of   >itselfrK > > for free on other platforms.  Perhaps an old version of VMS Ingres (arew) > > there any others?) will be out there.* >*J >To the best of my knowledge you're not going to find any free versions ofK >Ingres for VMS.  I'm always on the lookout for a database that can be used'1 >by Hobbyists, and so far haven't found anything.O >i: >One possibility that I just remembered is Interbase, see:J >http://www.interbase.com/  It's now opensource using the Mozilla license,J >and old versions ran on OpenVMS.  I just snagged the source and am in theJ >process of unpacking it.  I'm wondering if there is anything dealing with >OpenVMS in there....n >nL >Well, there is mention of VMS in there, but I'm guessing it's going to takeB >someone better with programming than me to make anything of this. >  >			Zane >h >f  I _________________________________________________________________________gI Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.o  D Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at  http://profiles.msn.com.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:13:31 +02001, From: Nigel Barker <nigel.barker@compaq.com>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!8 Message-ID: <3ec6usct88nlljit2e0kdtkopqdq60k244@4ax.com>  J On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:05:47 -0400, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> wrote:  L >Effective this week Encompass is accepting Sustaining memberships no matter- >what the person's country of residence is...   N http://www.decus.org/encompass/Membership/join.shtml says in big bold letters   O Membership in Encompass U.S. Chapter is open to U.S. residents only! All othersi+ please contact your Local Worldwide Chaptero       -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azur    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:33:25 GMTy4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!= Message-ID: <9FGE5.123314$NH2.965105@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>d  9 "Nigel Barker" <nigel.barker@compaq.com> wrote in message02 news:3ec6usct88nlljit2e0kdtkopqdq60k244@4ax.com...L > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:05:47 -0400, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> wrote: >5G > >Effective this week Encompass is accepting Sustaining memberships noc matter/ > >what the person's country of residence is...c > G > http://www.decus.org/encompass/Membership/join.shtml says in big bold> lettersi >oJ > Membership in Encompass U.S. Chapter is open to U.S. residents only! All others- > please contact your Local Worldwide Chaptert >f  + Thanks for pointing out that inconsistency.l  L The Encompass website went live just a few days ago. Much of the content wasK lifted from the old DECUS US Chapter website and subjected to global searche< and replace, hence there is a little cleaning up left to do.  I Encompass plans to make sustaining (paid) memberships available to non-USiL residents in direct response to member requests. Under the old DECUS bylaws,F US citizens residing outside the US could not become members of the USF Chapter. Since a number of US Chapter members found themselves in thisH situation (e.g. in the midst of 6-month consulting assignments in non-USB locations), the issue was brought to the attention of the Board of
 Directors.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:11:27 +0200R, From: Nigel Barker <nigel.barker@compaq.com>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!8 Message-ID: <vqf6us8vn6ga9ikc4ofh0smt8h6oaia00o@4ax.com>  P On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:33:25 GMT, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote:  J >Encompass plans to make sustaining (paid) memberships available to non-USM >residents in direct response to member requests. Under the old DECUS bylaws, G >US citizens residing outside the US could not become members of the USrG >Chapter. Since a number of US Chapter members found themselves in thiseI >situation (e.g. in the midst of 6-month consulting assignments in non-UShC >locations), the issue was brought to the attention of the Board ofX >Directors.e  M Presumably this will also solve the problem of getting a VMS Hobbyist licenseoA when you live in a country that doesn't have a functioning DECUS.    -- Nigel Barker Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurc   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 10:20:30 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)w" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <0S$H8jWwObP1@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  > In article <9FGE5.123314$NH2.965105@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, ;      "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:C > K > Encompass plans to make sustaining (paid) memberships available to non-US.N > residents in direct response to member requests. Under the old DECUS bylaws,H > US citizens residing outside the US could not become members of the USH > Chapter. Since a number of US Chapter members found themselves in thisJ > situation (e.g. in the midst of 6-month consulting assignments in non-USD > locations), the issue was brought to the attention of the Board of > Directors.  G    So does this mean they don't want foreign citizens, just US citizens  living abroad?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:31:16 GMT44 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!= Message-ID: <EnIE5.39028$pu4.4200589@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>h  > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:0S$H8jWwObP1@malvm1.mala.bc.ca...? > In article <9FGE5.123314$NH2.965105@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,d= >      "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:. > > F > > Encompass plans to make sustaining (paid) memberships available to non-USH > > residents in direct response to member requests. Under the old DECUS bylaws,aJ > > US citizens residing outside the US could not become members of the USJ > > Chapter. Since a number of US Chapter members found themselves in thisL > > situation (e.g. in the midst of 6-month consulting assignments in non-USF > > locations), the issue was brought to the attention of the Board of > > Directors. >yI >    So does this mean they don't want foreign citizens, just US citizens  > living abroad? >s  6 Heck no... Encompass is not an exemplar of xenophobia!   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.567 ************************