1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 11 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 568       Contents:6 /media=cdrom and /undefined_fat available via program?C Re: ??== Delete an interface from the TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DAT file.  Re: After RTFFAQ :-) Re: Apache POST problem 9 Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)  Computerworld Article - OpenVMS # Re: Computerworld Article - OpenVMS # Re: Computerworld Article - OpenVMS  Re: DCPS 1.8 and HP 2100TN$ Re: DECnet Plus training phased out?4 Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket Re: Exec vs Super ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS  Re: half/full duplex Re: Halon dump - a data point  http://www.vector-networks.com/  Re: Information a CPU's E Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?  Re: ISVs what about SAP  Re: Macro Reference ! no MMOV sound on AlphaStation 500 % Re: no MMOV sound on AlphaStation 500  Re: nonfree Freeware re: nonfree Freeware Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  RE: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: PDF under OpenVMS 8 Print Queue jams if 2 print outs are queued to together?3 Re: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape)  Re: Rename File Question Second ethernet for uVAX3180 ? Re: SNMP_Request test... please ignore. Thanks for last week Re: Thanks for last week Re: Thanks for last week They All Laughed/ Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. " Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile' Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12 ' Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12  VAX Decompiler / Disassembler ! Re: VAX Decompiler / Disassembler ! Re: VAX Decompiler / Disassembler  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass! ? What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:28:10 -0400 R From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com)? Subject: /media=cdrom and /undefined_fat available via program? 0 Message-ID: <00101016281095@beast.dtsw.army.mil>   Hi,   E Is there any way to access the /undefined_fat that is in effect while A an ISO9660  cdrom is mounted? I do not see anything in the system F services manual under $getdvi or in the rms manual in the data blocks.   Thank you for the help,   : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919 ; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919 5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 02:45:18 GMT' From: muggeridges@aol.com (Muggeridges) L Subject: Re: ??== Delete an interface from the TCPIP$CONFIGURATION.DAT file.: Message-ID: <20001010224518.18086.00001423@ng-bd1.aol.com>   Try:  " $ TCPIP SET CONFIG NOINTERFACE WE1   Matt.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 21:44:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: After RTFFAQ :-) 6 Message-ID: <8s02jl$bkp$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ^ In article <R2PXOZeXh0t8qknu7OsP7gHhkmGF@4ax.com>, Richard <dr_vmsREMV@techieREMV.com> writes:O :On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 12:59:19 +0200, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>  :wrote: J :>AFAIK, the ^P command doesn't HALT the CPU, it suspends its activity and( :>keep its context, which is different.   F   On all microprocessor-based VAX and Alpha systems, the HALT request E   will switch the microprocessor over to execute the console program. D   Most recent systems have a serial line framing error (better knownF   as a BREAK) to halt the system, and a few also have the extra logic =   required to detect and act on a CTRL/P on the console line.   D   On VAX systems with an external console, the VAX churns away quiteD   happily, and the ^P switches from normal OpenVMS operations on theA   console terminal ("program mode", IIRC) over to "console mode". D   In console mode, you are communicating with the console -- OpenVMSD   VAX is largely oblivious to activities local to the console.  (TheC   VAX-11/780 carries this to an extreme, and is effectively just a  D   big peripheral hanging off an LSI-11 microcomputer. :-)  You couldH   encounter a VAX-11/780 running (as it was then known) VAX/VMS -- with A   a completely dead LSI-11 console.  This state of affairs is not B   possible on any recent VAX or Alpha system -- the microprocessor4   must function for the console program to function.  C   There is an attempt to maintain the running system context when a .   switch over into the console program occurs.  # :> When I type C (continue) it will : :>resume without any side effects (if I do nothing else).  : L :If you're on an OpenVMS Cluster, it also depends on some SYSGEN parameters.M :If you CTL-P and wait too long to <C>ontinue, you will crash with a CLUEXIT. A :The other nodes will have assumed the node has left the cluster.   G   CONTINUE may or may not resume after a halt -- on upcoming platforms, K   OpenVMS Engineering is expecting that there will be too much I/O context  G   and that reboot or similar will be required.  Once the console passes F   control to OpenVMS, OpenVMS will not be able to pass back the systemF   console I/O environment to the console in a restart-able/re-entrant =   fashion.  CONTINUE will not be available, in other words.     D   And yes, you may or may not be able to restart the running OpenVMSD   system (in a cluster) without encountering a CLUEXIT.  The CLUEXITE   is a protective mechanism by which a node bugchecks itself to avoid D   corrupting data; it is a mechanism designed to prevent potentiallyG   outdated information from being used to the detriment of the cluster.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:51:08 -0400 3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>   Subject: Re: Apache POST problem6 Message-ID: <8rvvfp$am7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  L TEST-CGI-VMS.COM and the sources for TEST-CGI-VMS.EXE don't include code forJ parsing the input and breaking it into its component parts. They only show8 how to read the complete input string from APACHE$INPUT.   -- Gaitan D'Antoni . Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderF http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html Compaq Computer Corporation   G onedbguru@my-deja.com wrote in message <8rvgld$as3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>... G >Unfortunatley the TEST-CGI-VMS.COM procedure does not show how to read G >a very large query string (>900 bytes)and break it into it's component E >parts as well as coverting "+" to <space> etc...  Not being a "real" C >programmer and not having a lot of experience with F$FAO I am at a F >disadvantage.  I will look at the sources for the TEST-CGI-VMS.EXE as >well.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:31:58 +0000 (   ) 3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> B Subject: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10010110216330.11722-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>  I Not to start any egg-cracking contest, but I'm wondering whether somebody , can clearify an issue of byte-orders for me.  B I ask because eventually I want to make sure this (very byte-orderG dependant) program will build and run on as many VMS boxen as possible. 0 (as well as whatever else might be out there) :)  J Originally this is done for unix, so it is in C, in case anyone's curious.   Here's my question:   G My program expects to get raw (bit by bit) data out of a 4-byte numeric ( (generally, a "long" dumped to disk...)   : Assuming that I have (in motorola-type MSB-first order...)   ABCD    H The program will attempt to read ABCD, and DCBA. (I have a string in theH file header for this purpose ...)  And when it finds a match, it assumes, that we now know the byte-order of the file.  J Now, this is assuming that bit 0 of each byte will always contain the sameH bit (for instance, if we left shift the byte once, and or it with 1, we F assume that this will give us the second bit stored, in the order that they were stored)...  H Can somebody give an example of a system on which this wouldn't be true?  C Also:  I've seen references to "VAX" byte order, which is (given my # example above) something like BADC.   1 DO VAXen natively store 4-byte numerics this way?   I Lastly, what do you think about having a _standard_ byte-ordering for the G file, and just adjusting the program that writes it on each platform to H write the file properly? (As opposed to the current strategy which is toF try making the program which reads the file byte-order independant...)  J For the curious, this is a personal project of mine.  I'm attempting to do? variable length (1, 2, or 4 byte chunks... maybe 8 bytes later)  huffman compression.  H Any help would be appreciated.  I'm not as familliar with this aspect of computing as I'd like to be.   Regards,   Chris   O =============================================================================== @ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmer  Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. % ------------------------------------- I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949  O -------------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:07:49 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> ( Subject: Computerworld Article - OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <8rvsrn$a15$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47-81_STO52144,00.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:36:34 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> , Subject: Re: Computerworld Article - OpenVMS, Message-ID: <39E37DC5.5E17835B@videotron.ca>   Sue Skonetski wrote: > I > http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47-81_STO52144,00.html    one word:  WOW !   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 17:39:44 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young), Subject: Re: Computerworld Article - OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <KllyNcfUCohn@eisner.decus.org>   n In article <8rvsrn$a15$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:I > http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47-81_STO52144,00.html  >  >   M Similarly, the increased system availability possible now during backups is a - "big win for folks with a heritage database,"   H 	Clarification:  Sometimes things are lost in explanation/translation.  F 	Availability comes into play when shadow merges/copies take a couple ) 	minutes instead of hours -- post backup.   @ 	This is always a crapshoot (trying to define what is a win whenG 	the technical details are too deep to explain simply in a sentence).   G 	This is why some people don't even bother as they run a very real risk A 	of being misquoted/misinterepreted.  Always count the cost. . .     				Rob    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 15:25:28 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)# Subject: Re: DCPS 1.8 and HP 2100TN 3 Message-ID: <czQqVBcnHwqU@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   C In article <FE1835D68492D311BF7900508B5BEB0D0DEA6F@petra.WPI.EDU>,  4     	"Mitchell, David R." <mitchell@WPI.EDU> writes:2 > Anyone out there using HP 2100's with DCPS 1.8?            Yep.  H         I'll not go into details here,  but  you have to do some "layingH     on  of the hands" in one of the DCPS setup modules because the  2100H     barfs when being queried about "duplex" and "tumble".   The  fix  isH     simple  (after  the  fact).  I'll e-mail David directly.  Others whoH     are interested, drop me a line and  I'll respond as time permits (or1     post if there's actually that much interest).            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:20:06 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: DECnet Plus training phased out? , Message-ID: <39E35DD4.270BCDA7@videotron.ca>   Didier Morandi wrote: J > > It sounds like they weren't really much of a training vendor if it was> > > only due to Compaq participation that they could continue. > H > Well, my personal opinion is that COMPAQ does produce the material andD > sells it to the Vendors. If it is true that COMPAQ doesn't sell it? > anymore, the question is still interesting to be asked: Why ?     " My completely un-informed opinion:  N When Bobby gave away the training, he may have put some caveat that GKN had toM continue to provide VMS training for X number of years. Now that the X number I of years have elapsed, GKN will only provide those courses where there is G enough demand. And since there isn't much demand for VMS (and hence VMS L training), you'll probably the GKN curricula of VMS courses go down (as well as frequency of courses).    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:29:36 GMT 1 From: "Mathias Wolkert" <tias77@bellatlantic.com> = Subject: Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket 5 Message-ID: <4oPE5.779$zU4.20239@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>   I If you run TCPIP 5.0A there is a tcptrace that will show you what packets  are sent and recieved.4 You can specify protocoll and a lot of other things. You need pretty heavy privs.   /Tias     < "Peter Stange" <Peter.Stange@mail.bessy.de> wrote in message" news:39E21027.42217442@bessy.de... > Hello, > J > is there a way of determinig the remote IP address of a datagram packet,8 > maybe with DCL or perl? (OpenVMS V7.2-1, TCP/IP V5.0A) >  > Peter Stange >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:26:24 +0000  From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Exec vs Super' Message-ID: <39E35F50.BFFF0FAA@fsi.net>   * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: [snip] > the default is Super mode.  G For DEFINE and ASSIGN, yes, that's true. Not sure about $CRELOG - don'tr have the doc. set handy.  - >  User mode logicals are single use logicalscE > which disapear when the executable image exits or a command file isb > invoked by @.l  G Well, yes and no. AFAIK, "user" mode logicals will disappear upon imagelF run-down or procedure exit. I could be (probably am) wrong about that.   David J. Dachterae   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:19:20 -0700t7 From: "Graham Bennett" <Graham Bennett gems5 gov bc ca>d0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <39e36c7a$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>n  J VMS 5.5-2 is required for sites that need DECnet III compatibility for PDPN network interaction, since they took that out when DECnet V was added (you get" DECnet IV backward compatibility).   -- Cheers,N3 Graham Bennett, (250) 387-4669w, (250) 387-5231 faxe OpenVMS Platform Management,L Information Technology Services Division, ISTA, Province of British Columbia= mail2:Graham Bennett gems5 gov bc ca <add normal punctuation>r. <Standard Disclaimer - these words are my own>  = JF Mezei wrote in message <39E0FEB4.CA425EF0@videotron.ca>...  >Chris Scheers wrote:uJ >> But the sites where stability is paramount do NOT upgrade VMS.  That isH >> why there are still so many VMS 5.5-2 and 6.2 sites out there.  Those >> are nice stable releases. >tL >I somewhat disagree. My opinion on why there are so many site still left atO >5.5-2 is that those are the sites that heeded Palmer's call for migration away M >from VMS and have left whatever they have not yet ported running on whateverA? >version of VMS they had and puit it in "low maintenance" mode.  >sG >If they spent any money on their VMS platform, they would be upgradingCO >applications to keep up with the times and in doing so, woudl probably need too6 >upgrade VMS to be able to upgrade their applications. > N >To me, a 5.5-2 site is one that has abandonned VMS, but also one where CompaqM >could have the most success in regaining as a customer and one that would beaK >fairly easy to convince to give VMS a second look. If they still have someEO >apps on VMS it means that they have apps that don't migrate to NT or UNIX veryo well.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:04:08 -0400o% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> 0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS" Message-ID: <39e3679c@news.si.com>  9 >That is not a technical reason, it is a vendor decision.e  K From the vendor's perspective, perhaps, but not from ours.  From ours, it'sw* a technical reason.  The apps don't exist. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.coma= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventt< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:02:39 -0400b% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>t0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS$ Message-ID: <39e36743$1@news.si.com>  I >The primary reason for not migrating to Alpha given here was being stuckuH >with third party code that won't run on Alpha.  If you are so dependentH >on such vendor code, then you probably won't upgrade your OS either forB >fear of breaking that code.  In this case, you don't need or want >enhancements.  K Well, this is wrong.  We want our apps to run faster using the enhancements-G we're PAYING (by sending in our maintenance dollars) Compaq to develop.rK They're developing them, but thumbing their noses at us PAYING customers byoG not bothering to incorporate those changes in the platform we're using.s  = I'd wager there are many more VAXen in the field than Alphas.a --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com0A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comm= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 16:44:42 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) 0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS* Message-ID: <8rvv3q$s2n$1@lisa.gemair.com>  I In article <39e36743$1@news.si.com>, Brian Tillman <tillman_brian> wrote:rJ >>The primary reason for not migrating to Alpha given here was being stuckI >>with third party code that won't run on Alpha.  If you are so dependent I >>on such vendor code, then you probably won't upgrade your OS either for C >>fear of breaking that code.  In this case, you don't need or wantA >>enhancements.D >8L >Well, this is wrong.  We want our apps to run faster using the enhancementsH >we're PAYING (by sending in our maintenance dollars) Compaq to develop.  H Maintenance dollars are primarily paid to provide support.  Maintenance H dollars only partly funds development.  I'm sure that Compaq also hopes J to make some money on new machines, which you VAX customers aren't buying I (certainly after this year).  Certainly, almost the entire motivation forsG making enhancements to an OS is to attract more _future_ customers.  AsrI someone else pointed out, most people who are stuck on VAX probably won't K be upgrading to Alpha anyway.  These are largely shops where management has K decided on a new direction, long ago, that didn't involve Compaq (otherwisen they would have upgraded).  J In any case, can you point to an architecture that has been superceded by F a newer architecture that continues to get as many OS enhancements as J OpenVMS/VAX?  I think Compaq is to be commended in the level of continued # support that VAX customers receive.   C And, as I said elsewhere, those maintenance dollars aren't all just E gravy for Compaq.  Compaq is incurring additional costs in supportingnI latest releases on all the old VAX hardware that I'm sure is increasinglyoF difficult to support.  With prior version support, you can still get a* support contract to run that VAX 11/730!    L >They're developing them, but thumbing their noses at us PAYING customers byH >not bothering to incorporate those changes in the platform we're using. >o> >I'd wager there are many more VAXen in the field than Alphas.  G Many more?  I don't know how you would determine that.  Certainly thereo; were a lot of VAXen sold, but most of those were retired.  r  F I bet there's a lot more VAXen out there without maintenance contracts6 than there are Alphas without maintenance contracts.    G Here's a meaningful number that _could_ be determined.  How many Alphas G are under maintenance contracts and how many VAXen are under maintenace B contracts?  Also, I'd wager that way more _users_ are supported byG Alphas these days, as today's Alphas are able to do so much more usefulnG work than yesterday's VAXen, so there's a good chance that the average o< Alpha maintenance contract is way more lucrative for Compaq.  C I'm curious.  Why _are_ you stuck on VAX?  Other's mentioned vendoraA supplied code that won't be ported.  If you are so interested in  @ having your apps to run faster, they you really should look intoC upgrading to Alpha.  Another option is to add VAXen to your shop toaA distribute the load.  They are becoming increasingly inexpensive.f   >--nB >Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comB >Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com> >3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent= >Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@":9 >       This opinion doesn't represent that of my companyq >m >    -Jordan HendersonO jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:33:12 -0400c  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <1001011003109.24370A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ! On 9 Oct 2000, Marty Kuhrt wrote:U   > [snip] > * > > o Extended File Cache - no VAX supportJ > >     This is bogus.  There's no techincal reason this needs to be true. > > < > > o Lock Manager Performance Enhancements - no VAX supportI > >     Triply bogus.  There's no TECHINCAL reason this needs to be true.G >  > [snip] > C > If you don't have 64bit addressing, you don't have S2 space, so, a@ > no XFC or DLM enhancements.  Part of the DLM enhancement might= > also be for the requirements of Galatic Shared Memory (i.e.i@ > putting the DLM in shared memory between VMS instances in a GS > class machine).c > C > While I can understand why you'd want VAX support for all the new B > VMS features, you gotta realize that the survival of VMS dependsB > on fast Alpha implementations.  To do this I'm sure they have to@ > exploit all the pluses that the architecture has to offer.  ToA > limit their work to only what the VAX chip and addressing couldc > support would be suicide.    > ? > Alphas have been out for over eight years now, I should think ? > you'd be reasonably happy that Compaq still supports VAXen atrA > all.  I can think of better scenarios for the continued supports. > of VAXen, but I can also imagine MUCH worse. >   - Out of curiosity, does W2K run on 486's?  ;-)s   [...]    -- y John Santos. Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:28:28 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>r0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS, Message-ID: <39E3FA59.A64DEF90@videotron.ca>   John Santos wrote:/ > Out of curiosity, does W2K run on 486's?  ;-)s  N Run ? no. Maybe walk, or limp along. Probably slower than VMS on an all mighty Microvax II. :-)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:17:56 GMTf1 From: "Mathias Wolkert" <tias77@bellatlantic.com>e Subject: Re: half/full duplexo4 Message-ID: <8dPE5.722$zU4.7538@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>   mc lancp sh dev /chare   /Tias   6 "Hugo Thone" <htho@se.bel.alcatel.be> wrote in message+ news:39E31234.22E8F307@se.bel.alcatel.be...g5 > How can I check whether a VMS-machine is working inX > full or in half duplex mode ?  >s	 > cheers,a >y > Hugo Thone  > email : htho@se.bel.alcatel.be   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:59:40 GMT + From: ftit@engin.umich.edu (Sergej Roytman)?& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point5 Message-ID: <gjME5.211$_k1.454@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>y  1 In article <39BFE5F5.17693B7A@trailing-edge.com>,a- Tim Shoppa  <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:o: >Moderately good news: Halon dumps aren't instantly fatal.@ >Seeing as how I spend a good fraction of my day within a couple? >of feet of some giant red Halon tanks in the concrete bunker -bE >oops, officially it's called "computer room" - this is good to know.=D >I'd been heavily trained that when the Halon dump alarm sounds, youD >*get out*.  Now I know a little more, especially about the dead-man> >switch you can use to delay an electronically-triggered dump. >-A >This Halon is Good Stuff.  Other than some grit blasted from thei> >ceiling tiles, there was zero debris left in the machinery.  = >What's the "environmentally friendly" equivalent used today?nB >Is there such an equivalent - something that will put out a fire,1 >but at the same time not damage vital equipment?-  < A few years ago I worked in a place that involved a dinosaur; pen^W^Wcomputer room.  It had a CO2 fire supression system.i  @ I guess this is where my story ends.  I'm a newbie (fresh out ofB college (less than ten years ago)), and did not have the chance toD experience the thing going off in the brief time I was there.  All IE know is, some Safety Training Guy came over once to tell us "If y'awlME hea' th' CO2 alarm, git out.  Breathin' CO2 _will_ kill ya!" (which IeB pretty much believe, though it was seen fit by someone or other toF remind me anyway).  That and a story about a previous CO2 dump lifting@ the floor tiles (which I find more difficult to believe).  It isE certain that before anyone was allowed to work under the raised floorsC he had to clear it with security, and had to wait for the CO2 to beg	 shut off.N   For what little it's worth.n   -- e Sergej Roytman   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:34:08 -0300>) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bri( Subject: http://www.vector-networks.com/L Message-ID: <OF91DF38B7.A28FE62D-ON83256974.006B682F@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  D This company has an interesting product to print from VMS in Windows   http://www.vector-networks.com/    Regards,   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:09:05 -0700u7 From: "Graham Bennett" <Graham Bennett gems5 gov bc ca>   Subject: Re: Information a CPU's+ Message-ID: <39e3a254$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>i  0 These work well enough for us for the CPU count:  ( $  AVAIL_CPUS = F$GETSYI("AVAILCPU_CNT")+ $  RUNNING_CPUS = F$GETSYI("ACTIVECPU_CNT")q  I     you may want to look at "CPU" and "REAL_CPUTYPE" (alpha only) as well-   -- Cheers,-3 Graham Bennett, (250) 387-4669w, (250) 387-5231 faxl OpenVMS Platform Management,L Information Technology Services Division, ISTA, Province of British Columbia= mail2:Graham Bennett gems5 gov bc ca <add normal punctuation>t. <Standard Disclaimer - these words are my own>  I Mark D. Jilson wrote in message <39DA2143.70EEC207@clarityconnect.com>...eF >SHOW CPU will only show you the cpus that the firmware & console haveH >made available to VMS.  If you have a cpu that has failed it's selftestI >then SHOW CPU may not see it, for example.  The only way to *really* seehG >how many cpus a physical system enclosure has is to physically inspect I >the enclosure and the modules within the enclosure (some modules on somee, >systems may have multiple cpus per module). >r" >steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote: >>0 >> Go and look?  Go get the Purchase Orders out?	 >> Sorry.i >>M >> The SHOW CPU command under VMS will tell you how many CPUs you've got.  On N >> (most) Alphas, this also tells you what speed they are.  All of the CPUs inM >> present configurations need to be the same speed and the speed is given in-) >> the machine description in most cases.  >>	 >> Steve.n >> >> Shawn asked:.J >> >>>How can I tell other than Bouncing the system, How Many CPU's I have( >> in a box and what their speed is.?<<< >. >-- E >Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY7/ > - jilly@clarityconnect.com - Brett Bodine fan - > - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com - since 1975 or sot- > - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -q   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:48:47 -0700s7 From: "Graham Bennett" <Graham Bennett gems5 gov bc ca> N Subject: Re: INITIALIZE options: /header & /maximum_files, how do they relate?+ Message-ID: <39e3aba2$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>   M The two qualifiers are related.  In addition to the other manual extracts anda	 comments.      $init  /head= x, /max=yn.         x == y when > default maximum # files.  I     If x .ne. y then the init <silently> doesn't work the way you expect.c   -- Cheers,e3 Graham Bennett, (250) 387-4669w, (250) 387-5231 faxa OpenVMS Platform Management,L Information Technology Services Division, ISTA, Province of British Columbia= mail2:Graham Bennett gems5 gov bc ca <add normal punctuation>a. <Standard Disclaimer - these words are my own>  # Charles Gilley wrote in message ... : >In a past life many years ago, we encountered the dreaded= >"SYSTEM-W-HEADERFULL" error message with a rather large diskfL >at the time.  Of course, the disk had been initialized with all the defaultM >values, so the index.sys file extended it's limited number of times and theneN >could go no more.  So the drive was backed up, initialized with a larger than' >default /header value and off we went.2 >s >... time passes ....  >sM >Now I need to recreate this drive, and I have no idea what value we used for N >the header parameter.  Reading the online doc, I see we have two options thatN >appear to relate - /header and /maximum_files.  Are these mutually exclusive?
 >Cooperative?i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:37:05 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>e  Subject: Re: ISVs what about SAP) Message-ID: <39E353C1.91CC5CE6@gtech.com>u   Uwe Zessin wrote:a+ > In article <39E32549.737DEA61@gtech.com>,lB >   Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote:+ > > I agree that SAP on VMS would be great.@ > > 0 > > But getting it back is not necesarrily easy. > F > I have been told that OpenVMS is supported as the database back-end,F > but I don't have any details. A search on SAP's web site didn't giveC > anything - well, there was one document that contained 'OpenVMS',<E > but that was about the GS80/160/320, where it was alloweed to existi > in a hard partition...  C SAP are a 3-tier architecture and I do not believe it is particularnB database dependent, so VMS should work fine as platform for tier 3 (the database).h  > But we would definatetly also to see VMS as pltform for tier 2* (the SAP software with the busines logic).  D > > Compaq are apperently trying to get VMS back on the rigth track,B > > but think takes time and there are many obstacles on the road. > C > Don't count on it. I recall from previous posts here that OpenVMScD > was never loved by the developers from SAP. In fact, management isA > deeply in love with M$, because Bill hasn't screwed Hasso, yet,t5 > like Larry did. New software will be on Winwoes NT.a  % I know that SAP are not "VMS lovers".5  G But they are in business and if they think they can make more money ...s   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 22:09:16 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Macro Reference6 Message-ID: <8s042c$btn$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  x In article <OF0231290B.C7B0B1E7-ON8325696D.005EDA60@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:H :Where can I get some references (manuals)  of OpenVMS Macro Assembler ?  J   VAX Macro32 materials are available in some old Digital Press books suchH   as the VAX Architecture Handbook and related, and also in the OpenVMS G   documentation on VAX Macro32.  www.bh.com.  (I would expect that mostaG   or all of these books have been discontinued or are in short supply.)iI   There is/was a porting guide in the OpenVMS manual set, to show how to tF   move VAX Macro32 code over to the Macro32 compiler on OpenVMS Alpha.  J   The Alpha Macro64 assembler and its associated documentation is included   on the OpenVMS Freeware.  J   Low-level Alpha microprocessor documentation is available from the folksJ   at Digital Press (www.bh.com) and also from information and pointers in    the OpenVMS FAQ.  J   The OpenVMS documentation set is available in HTML format via the Compaq=   OpenVMS website -- please see the OpenVMS FAQ for pointers.t  8 :I need a good student material (from zero) if possible.  F   I will assume you are looking to assist students learning assembler,H   and are not planning on using Macro32 or Macro64 to create new OpenVMS   applications.   I   I cannot encourage the use of Macro32 or Macro64 for new applications.	-F   C, C++, Java, or other mechanism(s) would typically be the prefered    approach(es) for new work.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 16:50:11 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)d* Subject: no MMOV sound on AlphaStation 5000 Message-ID: <8rvhc3$jns$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>   Hello,  H MMOV programs don't find any sound devices on my AlphaStation 500. It isI MMOV V2.2 under VMS 7.1-2. I know that this combination worked before butp> I didn't use it since quite some time and now I am a bit lost.  J What I noticed so far: the MMOV process wasn't running although it should N have been started during system startup. The same is true for some other nodesN in my cluster. The ones that have the process running don't show audio devicesK either. But starting MMOV manually shows no problems (besides the fact thateI there are no sound devices). If I connect a headphone to the sound card I M am able to hear the standard "system beep". So the card is electronically ok.y  - The file SYS$STARTUP:MMOV_ERROR.LOG is empty.eK I noticed that SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT is located in the common root I and contains several different entries for "Microsoft Sound Card" plus an$I entry for "Ensoniq AudioPCI". Additionally SYS$SYSTEM:SYSTEM.INI containsi7 both entries: wave=mmov$ensaudio and wave=mmov$msbaudioi  
 Any ideas?   Regards,    Christoph Gartmanni  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:32:01 GMTp2 From: Gib Copeland <copeland@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>. Subject: Re: no MMOV sound on AlphaStation 5004 Message-ID: <39E3B5B3.CC3A0B5D@jenni.path.uiowa.edu>  L The release notes explain what needs to be done to configure the unsupportedG ES1888 Sound Card - you need an entry in SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$USER_CONFIG.DATl describing the device:   device    = "ES1888 Sound Card"s   name    = AU   driver  = MMOV$ESSDRIVER   adapter = XBUS   id      = ES1888
 end_device  H I'm not sure why your MMOV$SERVER process was not running, the error logH usually indicates if there's a license problem.  I suspect that once youK tell VMS about AUA0: (above edit + reboot) and restart the server, all will  be well.   Gibl   Christoph Gartmann wrote:h >  > Hello, > J > MMOV programs don't find any sound devices on my AlphaStation 500. It isK > MMOV V2.2 under VMS 7.1-2. I know that this combination worked before but @ > I didn't use it since quite some time and now I am a bit lost. > K > What I noticed so far: the MMOV process wasn't running although it should P > have been started during system startup. The same is true for some other nodesP > in my cluster. The ones that have the process running don't show audio devicesM > either. But starting MMOV manually shows no problems (besides the fact thathK > there are no sound devices). If I connect a headphone to the sound card I.O > am able to hear the standard "system beep". So the card is electronically ok.  > / > The file SYS$STARTUP:MMOV_ERROR.LOG is empty.iM > I noticed that SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT is located in the common rooteK > and contains several different entries for "Microsoft Sound Card" plus annK > entry for "Ensoniq AudioPCI". Additionally SYS$SYSTEM:SYSTEM.INI contains?9 > both entries: wave=mmov$ensaudio and wave=mmov$msbaudiol >  > Any ideas? > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmanno > J > -----------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:29:23 GMTI+ From: Chris Doran <chris_doran@my-deja.com>u Subject: Re: nonfree Freewaret) Message-ID: <8rvn5n$h3b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  , In article <8rt6h9$6v8@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,&   mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote:D > Can somebody please explain to me why the freeware CDROM costs $25 from the estore???  @ Some of us are old enough to remember when an _individual_ DECUSG program (on paper tape, floppy, or magtape) could cost $25 or more, hadHC to be ordered (in Europe) from Switzerland, paid for by a cheque in-G Swiss francs, and took 8 weeks to arrive. That's _if_ the CIA would lethF it out of the USA at all. All this was one of the reasons DEC lost out to PCs.h   Chrisu    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 20:21:55 GMT0 From: sander@vmsbiz.enet.dec.com (Warren Sander) Subject: re: nonfree Freeware]* Message-ID: <8rvtp3$nd7@usenet.pa.dec.com>   re: cost of 'freeware cd'   ? The stuff on the cd is free. You can download it from many FTP  = sites including http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware or ftp * to ftp.openvms.compaq.com or montagar etc.  0 You get a copy with your openvms distributions.   : We always said that we wouldn't distribute it seperately.   F It was decided that at $25.00 the cost of production would be covered.L Shipping is free unless you want overnight and then it's about $4+ depending2 on what is ordered (ie heavier stuff costs more).      -- hB ------------------------------------------------------------------6 Warren Sander                        OpenVMS MarketingD Compaq Computer Corporation          Work:  warren.sander@compaq.comB 200 Forest Street MR01-3/J1          Personal: sander@ultranet.com3 Marlboro, MA 01752                   (508) 467-4875 6    My opinions are my own and I only speak for myself /           Read http://www.openvms.digital.com/ nB ------------------------------------------------------------------   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:12:14 +0000M From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>a( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products' Message-ID: <39E35BFE.5A83772E@fsi.net>0   "antonio.carlini" wrote: >  > Bob Brown wrote:J > > (of course, you can always get gcc for free and install it on any unix > > platform). > E > Unless things have changed, you can get gcc for free and install it- > on any OpenVMS platform.  @ Unfortunately, there is (to my admittedly limited knowledge) notF currently a usable version of gcc for OpenVMS-Alpha. Last I heard, the@ highest available Alpha version was V2.8.0, and that one did notE reliably produce good machine (object) code. I put it on my San DiegolG (Fall DECUS, '99) Freeware CDs anyway. I believe the highest usable VAXu version is V2.8.1.  d9 > There are plenty of commercial products out there builte > using gcc.  
 List, please?-   David J. Dachterae   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:07:16 +0100n+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>e( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products' Message-ID: <39E376F4.7040FBB3@iee.org>7   SysAdmin wrote:> >  > "antonio.carlini" wrote:; > > There are plenty of commercial products out there built  > > using gcc. >  > List, please?e  5 I'm not sure that I should mention names but the last 5 two router projects I work(ed) on used gcc of variouso0 flavours, I know people at two startups (both in3 the networking field) using gcc (one using Linux ase1 the build paltform too) and two people I know whow8 have gone to Cisco say it used there for (at least some) development.  6 Admittedly that's just the data comms arena but that's
 where I work.f  = Given Cisco's claims in it's current UK TV advertising spree, = it may be a fair bet that this message traversed at least onee9 system whose existence is owed, at least in part, to gcc.   i Antonios   -- g   ---------------a- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orge   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 17:04:16 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)p( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products* Message-ID: <8s008g$tfg$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ' In article <39E353E9.C9F424E0@fsi.net>, / SysAdmin  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> wrote:g >f > [snip] > H >No, I don't think that's blasphemy. However, as Hunter has mentioned inG >the past, to the Gnu "core" people, VMS doesn't exist. He reports that_) >they have rather an attitude about that.t >g  D I think this is a gross exaggeration.  We had this discussion awhileB back here and the best anyone could come up with was John MalmbergA saying that a few fixes he had for Samba didn't make it back intowA the baseline, but he attributed that more to busy developers than  to any anti-VMS sentiment.  A The most "core" GNU person alive is Stallman, and when he was in  C charge of Emacs he made sure that the VMS mods were in the standard @ distribution.  I'm fairly certain that current releases of EmacsA would build out-of-the-box if someone would just do the port and 2 send it to the maintainers.-  > I remember reading where Stallman said that VMS had some good < things that he wanted to see included in The Hurd, like file0 versions.  Doesn't sound VMS unfriendly to me...  < I've seen _lots_ of GNU software, like the kind you find at = www.gnu.org that has VMS mods in it.  I'm confident that moren: GNU software would run on VMS mods if we'd only submit the4 changes and keep them up-to-date with new releases.   ? Want more evidence that "core" GNU people don't have a problem C= with supporting VMS?  http://vms.gnu.org/  - gnu.org is GNU'sP< domain.  They went to the trouble of adding it to their name# servers just to support GNU on VMS.    >David J. Dachtera   -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.comi   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 22:00:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products6 Message-ID: <8s03ht$btn$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  x In article <OFCBB44C5D.5436EB83-ON8325696D.0056BE37@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:G :Sometimes I think to myself why some important products dont come withp :OpenVMS or REQUIRE a licensee3 : if for  Unix these products are standard/bundled:   D   As much as folks might consider either giving everything away for D   free, or bundling it -- these charges are part of how Compaq pays @   the engineers, and part of working to keep stockholders happy.  I   With some versions of some operating systems, you are expected to need  K   a compiler to do most anything from a system installation to maintaining  I   your environment and the packages you are using.  With other platforms,nI   end-users are not expected to need a compiler -- the industry trend is rG   clearly toward more end-users and toward correspondingly fewer folks aI   that need access to compilers.  General-purpose platforms are now used  H   for back-end and decision support and related, and are not the target G   platforms most users see.  (Do you need tools to run your toaster, ortG   do you need to know the details of power and bread distributions? :-)w  
 :Compaq C/C++   F   Available as part of a developer package for circa US$500 per year, G   for developers working on commercial packages for OpenVMS.  (See the a/   OpenVMS FAQ for pointers to the CSA program.)a  	 :DW Motifh  C   Part of the typical license package sold with OpenVMS workstation F   systems.  (You can acquire a system with few or no licenses, if you    want.)   :TCP/IP Services  @   Part of the typical license package sold with OpenVMS systems.B   (You can acquire a system with few or no licenses, if you want.)  D   Hobbyists and educational sites can get free licenses to these and   to other packages.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:12:18 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>d( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products- Message-ID: <39E3BE72.797A9722@earthlink.net>    Jordan Henderson wrote:n [snip]@ > Want more evidence that "core" GNU people don't have a problem? > with supporting VMS?  http://vms.gnu.org/  - gnu.org is GNU'sd> > domain.  They went to the trouble of adding it to their name% > servers just to support GNU on VMS.t  H Rather than attempt to reply directly, I'll just refer you to Hunter. HeC can explain his first-hand experience much better than I can try tod remember it.   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsa http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/1  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:38:15 GMT 1 From: "Mathias Wolkert" <tias77@bellatlantic.com>n( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products5 Message-ID: <bwPE5.215$id5.24124@typhoon1.ba-dsg.net>   1 But... you mean that RTR is bundled with OpenVMS?  Hmmm... don't think so...g   /Tiast  , <richard_maher@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8rsdqe$qeg$1@nnrp1.deja.com...2 >w > > > Compaq C/C++ > >x@ > > For those of us who choose a different programming language,0 > > it is better not to pay for C to be bundled. > >t > > > TCP/IP Servicesn > >p1 > > For those of us who choose not to use TCP/IP,d1 > > it is better not to pay for it to be bundled.  > >S >s4 > And for those of us who choose not to use RTR. . . >nG > Where do we send the cheques - The "Maranello for every RTR engineer"a > fund?a >m > Disbelief! >t >r( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:53:59 -0400n# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> ( Subject: RE: OpenVMS Integrated productsD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD842@berry.mvpsi.com>  - As of V7.3, RTR is indeed bundled with VMS.  i   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: Mathias Wolkert [mailto:tias77@bellatlantic.com] > 3 > But... you mean that RTR is bundled with OpenVMS?l > Hmmm... don't think so...a >  > /TiasR > . > <richard_maher@my-deja.com> wrote in message% > news:8rsdqe$qeg$1@nnrp1.deja.com...F > >9 > > > > Compaq C/C++ > > >6B > > > For those of us who choose a different programming language,2 > > > it is better not to pay for C to be bundled. > > >M > > > > TCP/IP Services  > > > 3 > > > For those of us who choose not to use TCP/IP,k3 > > > it is better not to pay for it to be bundled.d > > >l > > 6 > > And for those of us who choose not to use RTR. . . > >I@ > > Where do we send the cheques - The "Maranello for every RTR  > engineer" 	 > > fund?p > >i > > Disbelief! > >r > >g* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.o >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 15:30:52 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <feWt5Vsndgxd@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>l  , In article <BWCru1TmzDGS@eisner.decus.org>, @     	Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: [...]aI > That will change.  Adobe is forcing DEQ to stop shipping the Postscript  > Viewer.  ...  H         Is that right, Larry?  I took  the phrase, "no longer supported"H     or   "dropping  support  for"  to  mean  support  in  the  sense  ofH     _maintenance_.   I  thought/hoped  that   the   Display   PostscriptH     extensions  would  still  ship  with  DECwindows  and  that the VIEW/     command (with /FORMAT=PS) would still work.i  H         If you're correct,  I'm  quite  displeased...and  need  to finshE     building the latest GhostScript/GhoastView before that happens...-           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu-:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:59:13 +0100d) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie>oA Subject: Print Queue jams if 2 print outs are queued to together? J Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB0D1E@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>  F I have a problem.  We recently installed 3 new DS90M DECServers with aG print queue on each.  These print queues are TCP/IP print queues, usinggH ucx$telnetsym process. We have done this is numerous other sites, but we have a problem here.  F The print queue is printing dockets from our system, and it works fineF most of the time.  In one part of the system we print 2 dockets at theD one time ( one after the other).  When this happens the first docketH prints fine, the queue tells me it's printing the second docket, it thenA goes stalled, and after about 3 to 5 minutes it prints the secondi docket.  This is baffling me.n  5 Can someone help me, has it happened to anybody else?b   Regards,  
 Ray Phelan CORE Computer Consultants Ltd.,  23 Upper Cork Street,-
 Mitchelstown,- Co. Cork, Ireland.   Phone :   353 - 25 - 84678 Fax     :   353 - 25 - 84016! E-mail  :  ray.phelan@core-com.ieb   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:24:43 +0200h" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>< Subject: Re: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape)( Message-ID: <8rvpts$1i1$1@news.IAEhv.nl>   Derek,  C today I managed to look into the directory [CONSOLE} of the PRO380.-= It contains boot files BCIGEN.COM, BDAGEN.COM and CSAGEN.COM. D These are generic command procedures that boot the 8550 from an MSCPH disk on a CI server (HSCx0), a local controller (KDB50) and a local diskK of the PRO. The latter is a wild guess becaus I've never tried that myself.u6 But the PRO380 disks are called CSAn: as seen from VMS ( $ mc sysgen connect console). So I doubt you can boot the 8530 from magtape.  K Similarly named files are in that same directory, called BCIBOO.COM etc and F these are the ones actually called by the Boot command. The *GEN files% are called in turn by the *BOO files.i  E Our 8550 is not quite well anymore, while looking at the RD53 the VAXo suddenlyB stopped working. Luckily it wasn't operational, but it could be an indication that G the system is having problems. Could be that this VMS release (6.2) hasd problems  with connecting console devices.D Our 8550 was built in 1989 (week 29) and bought by Fuji in 1991 as a refurbisheduI system. It has been powered on ever since, and other than the problems ofs todaytL never had any problem. Very reliable hardware. We kept it going, "we'll stop theeJ maintenance contract and as soon as it dies we'll throw it out". Well that happened in 1995 or so :-)   
 Hans Vlems  K Derek Konigsberg heeft geschreven in bericht <39DBE1D7.BA69C625@rpi.edu>...  >Hans,I >    It would be nice if you could please look on your 8550 (very similarrJ >machine, as I understand), as I don't completely trust the set of scripts onG >our console (set of boot files isn't exactly "complete").  The console  we'reSK >using is from a different 8530, so it's not exactly configured to boot offv thed  >devices we have on our machine. >  >Thanks,
 >    Derek >o >Hans Vlems wrote: >d	 >> Derek,S >>C >> if the 8530 can boot from tape then in the same PRO380 directoryv: >> that holds DEFBOO.COM should be files called M*BOO.COM.= >> Either  B @<alternate com file> or rename it to DEFBOO.COM- >> and boot it.-7 >> If I can find the time I'll have a look on our 8550.  >>
 >> Hans Vlems  >>/ >> Derek Konigsberg heeft geschreven in bericht  <39DB5F19.BACE5DF7@rpi.edu>...
 >> >Hello,L >> >    We've got a VAX 8530, and need to know how to boot it from tape.  WeK >> >have a TU81+ tape drive interfaced to the machine through it's own port-J >> >on the back.  The way the machine boots, is rather interesting.  FirstF >> >you power it on and load the microcode from the console.  The "VAXF >> >Console" is basically a Pro380 microcomputer with it's own specialK >> >interface to the machine.  Then, to boot the machine we run a script oneL >> >the console (like "DEFBOO.COM") which punches a bunch of values into theJ >> >machine's registers, then loads the bootloader ("VMB.EXE"), and passesE >> >control to it.  The values you punch into the registers basically I >> >determine what device the machine boots off of.  As we're missing theuK >> >"booting from tape" portion of our console manual, we basically need toeJ >> >know what to put in our boot command file to boot the machine from the
 >> >TU81+. >> > >> >Thanks,  >> >    Derek Konigsberg >> >    konigd@rpi.edu >> > >> > >j   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:39:00 +00102% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aun! Subject: Re: Rename File Question:5 Message-ID: <01JV6MJJKJUQ0056ZT@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>p  / >In article <39E1D54F.38ACE@trailing-edge.com>,f/ >  Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote:y >> Richard L. Dyson wrote: >> >> >> > I have a simple question that I hope has a simple answer! >> >G >> > How would I rename a file (OpenVMS 6.2 & v7.x) from "filename.ext"yG >> > to ".ext".  That is, with no filename part, just a leading dot (.) 4 >> > and some extension.  (Like a Unix hidden file). >> >G >> > VMS always wants to slip in a "default" of the old filename when Iw >> > use COPY and RENAME.s >> >C >> > I can create such a file, but I want to rename a collection of-E >> > files to "hidden" filenames without having to re-create them onee >> > at a time.u >>D >> Good question.  Even LIB$RENAME will preserve the part before theE >> dot.  (Not surprising, HELP LIB LIB$RENAME Arguments tells me that B >> the functionality is the same as the DCL RENAME command!  Doh!)  P Forgive my total ignorance, but why would one want to do this?  Is it academic, I or something?  I cannot see any reason in the small world that I live in.-   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,y
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiac   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,x; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:24:14 GMTl From: trevor_deja@my-deja.comi' Subject: Second ethernet for uVAX3180 ?v) Message-ID: <8rvtt3$ne1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r   Hi  @ Anyone know if there is / was an add in card to provide a second' ethernet interface in a MicroVAX 3180 ?d  = There are options 'slots' to take for example an asynch commsa@ card, but is there an ethernet card that can go in these slots ?   Regards, Trevoro   trevor_deja@my-deja.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:19:24 GMTn1 From: "Mathias Wolkert" <tias77@bellatlantic.com>j Subject: Re: SNMP_Request 5 Message-ID: <wePE5.730$zU4.19484@typhoon2.ba-dsg.net>y  3 Could you try a normal "walk" and see what you get?r   /Tiasn  9 "Peter Kobe" <system@physik.uni-bonn.de> wrote in message ) news:00101007220528@physik.uni-bonn.de...h2 > I know from my LINUX-SYSTEM (snmpget (ucd)) that4 > the OID .1.3.6.1.2.1.17.4.3.1.2.0.80.186.175.49.48C > - 0.80.186.175.49.48 is the MAC-address of the equested station -eG > gives me the Portnumber my workstation is connected to on the switch.e > (BAYSTACK 450)2 > Using this Information on the VMS-System using a > $ snmp_query .. get ...d > results in an error. > # > Invalid variable name OID syntax:s* .1.3.6.1.2.1.17.4.3.1.2.0.80.186.175.49.48 > Invalid variable list  >s; > What have I to do to make VMS give me the wanted answer ?w >  > Peteri >a > L ============================================================================ =r8 >  Peter Kobe   Physikalisches Institut der Universitaet# >       Nussallee 12 ; D 53115 BonnoA >               Tel: (49) (0)228 73 3222 Fax: (49) (0)228 73 3220g+ >         E-Mail: system@physik.uni-bonn.dea >mL ============================================================================ =i >t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:11:13 -0400w: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com> Subject: test... please ignore.rK Message-ID: <91A9507020DBD311992F0008C709517C545C22@MBCALBEXC00.BENDER.COM>i  4 This is a test to see if I got bumped from the list,1 or something else is or isn't going on as to why s+ I might not be see/receiving list messages.d   :) jck JKoska@bender.comk   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:30:13 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>n Subject: Thanks for last week 6 Message-ID: <8rvn4m$8bs$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K Just wanted to say "THANKS" to all the folks that stopped by to say hi from D the newsgroup.  What a surprise, you all do look like Harrison Ford!  I What an excellent week!  Thousands of people. I had folks wanting to finddH out where they could get introductory information about OpenVMS, excitedJ that Compaq had technology like OpenVMS and I learned about other areas of Compaq expertise.a  J There was excellent traffic in all parts of the show.  OpenVMS announced aG number of things, and Michael Capellas talked about VMS in the keynote.t  L The parties were great, good music, good dancing, good drinking and the best people!"  2 Take a look at the new website/portal its worth it http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  K Also if you have subscribed to OpenVMS Times you should have received a newv copy today.u  
 Best Regards,    Suev   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:07:37 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o! Subject: Re: Thanks for last weeko0 Message-ID: <009F1654.4A4A176C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  n In article <8rvn4m$8bs$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:L >Just wanted to say "THANKS" to all the folks that stopped by to say hi fromE >the newsgroup.  What a surprise, you all do look like Harrison Ford!o  E Hmm.  And I though that the beard hid the scar below my lower lip. ;)    J >What an excellent week!  Thousands of people. I had folks wanting to findI >out where they could get introductory information about OpenVMS, excitedeK >that Compaq had technology like OpenVMS and I learned about other areas ofo >Compaq expertise. >sK >There was excellent traffic in all parts of the show.  OpenVMS announced aiH >number of things, and Michael Capellas talked about VMS in the keynote. >n >The parties were great,   Yeap!s    
 > good music,d  
 Not bad...     > good dancing,    I watched...     > good drinking-  J Well, at least the Bonaventure brewery was accessible for purchasing their Stout.     > and the best >people!  - ... but some of them dressed so strangely ...e   >,3 >Take a look at the new website/portal its worth it  >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/o   Sue, t  H Could you please see to it that at least these Compaq pages are viewable from Netscape on VMS?v     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMi            iO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:29:00 +0200M" From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>! Subject: Re: Thanks for last weekc( Message-ID: <8rvq5s$2bc$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  H Hmm, I received an Email with a 0-byte attachment and a URL that did not	 respond..i  
 Hans Vlems  ) Sue Skonetski heeft geschreven in berichtb- <8rvn4m$8bs$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...eL >Just wanted to say "THANKS" to all the folks that stopped by to say hi fromE >the newsgroup.  What a surprise, you all do look like Harrison Ford!p >MJ >What an excellent week!  Thousands of people. I had folks wanting to findI >out where they could get introductory information about OpenVMS, excitedyK >that Compaq had technology like OpenVMS and I learned about other areas ofD >Compaq expertise. >rK >There was excellent traffic in all parts of the show.  OpenVMS announced acH >number of things, and Michael Capellas talked about VMS in the keynote. >oH >The parties were great, good music, good dancing, good drinking and the best >people! >e3 >Take a look at the new website/portal its worth ite >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/r >rL >Also if you have subscribed to OpenVMS Times you should have received a new >copy today. >b >Best Regards, >i >Sue >t >a   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:19:54 -0500 (EST)P From: bknk@coolmail.nett Subject: They All Laughedo5 Message-ID: <200010110000.BAA20257@relay.sigmatel.it>t  +                                 THE PROGRAMl<                 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  9                    INCREDIBLE $0 to $50,000 in 90 days!!!o   Dear Friend,  E You can earn $50,000 or more in next the 90 days sending e-mail. Seem   impossible? Read on for details.  2                           "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV"  D Thank you for your time and interest. This is the letter you've been@ reading about in the news lately.  Due to the popularity of thisE letter on the Internet, a major nightly news program recently devoted E an entire show to the investigation of the program described below to+' see if it really can make people money.d  @ The show also investigated whether or not the program was legal.C Their findings proved once and for all that there are absolutely no B laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This has helpedB to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at home.w  C The results of this show have been truly remarkable. So many people E are participating that those involved are doing much better than evereA before.  Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, itscG been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will understand once you: experience it.  /                               HERE IT IS BELOW:2  <                  *** Print This Now For Future Reference ***  @ The following income opportunity is one you may be interested inC taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE investment andR" the income return is TREMENDOUS!!!  >                $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$M             If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days !pD             Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!!!>                $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$  = THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY.It doesuC not require you to come into contact with people, do any hard work,tD and best of all, you never have to leave the house except to get theD mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that youA 'vebeen waiting for, THIS IS IT!  Simply follow the instructions, < andyour dreams will come true. This multi-level e-mail order3 marketingprogram works perfectly...100% EVERY TIME.-  > E-mail is the sales tool of the future. Take advantage of this> non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!!! The longer you> wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. Get your piece of this action!!!  > MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained respectability.D It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, and both StanfordA Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that between 50% B and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through multi-levelB methods by the mid to late 1990's.  This is a Multi-Billion DollarC industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000)p? made their fortune in the last several years in MLM.  Moreover,n> statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing.  @ You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald@ Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave askedE him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over fromaD scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good networkC marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and5D boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response:C "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!"s  B The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through myB fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gaveC somethought and study to it. My name is Johnathon Rourke. Two years L ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized and myE position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decided < to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many= unforeseen financial problems.  I owed my family, friends ands creditors over $35,000.eE The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem,C to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home torC support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT somethingp= significant happened in my life and I am writing to share thet; experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER  FINANCIALLY!!!  @ In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's; prior to receiving this program I had been sending away for D information on various business opportunities. All of the programs IB received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were eitherJ too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too much J for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I would J make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write a  book to make it!8  E But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. Id> didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off aO mailing list.THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, to maketM sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a MONEY ? MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start,'D without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paperE and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like most D of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about theG legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office hK  (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! After  D  determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided  "WHY NOT."e  E Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my timetD on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any moneyB for printing to send out the program, and because all of my ordersB are fulfilled via e-mail, my only expense is my time. I am tellingU you like it is I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself that I would note6 "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it made me.  E In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1lF By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to= "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF 2: YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My first J step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done.  By January 30, I had receivedG 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERSe= FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS r' UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS,cB THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, IB had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat backK and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 witho  more coming in every day.  E I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please takeDE time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!kE ! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does workrD , but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not tryingA to place your name in a different place. It won't work and you'lle lose out on a lot of money! A In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+ M orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000n7  or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!!s  @ If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. ItE really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If youeE choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your waynD to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are inO financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, consider l this a sign. I DID!t  +                                  Sincerely,s.                               Johnathon Rourke  @             A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:  ? By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, you>A should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal, * could not have been created by an amateur.  B Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable businessE for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doingUE the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn'teE working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy.dE Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been @ with us since 1945.I don't have to tell you what happened to the= unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand G experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before.   C The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doingoD invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those whoE never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the rankssB of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POORE GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allowr; you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that.r  > You have just received information that can give you financialD freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLEG BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than youeP  have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny of this> money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for thisB program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS!I have retiredC from the program after sending thousands and thousands of programs.t  E Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way C . It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copy-@ of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of theR people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on everyone of them!e  C Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customersd you will reach.n  D So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials andC opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!t  .                               "THINK ABOUT IT"  B Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did,E take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencil0E and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out theuD worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will@ still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what youE invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders come 
 in. IT WORKS!2  2                          Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA  ?      HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF1 DOLLAR$.  ,                                INSTRUCTIONS:  < This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME.A I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90ID days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully.  > This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money makingD opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level@ businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners andB selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit" new multi-level business partners,A and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BYlB MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personalD selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This: is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere.  3                           This is what you MUST do:-  C 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell them  if youdon't order them).D -- For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT= YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURN B ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears onA the list next to the report.  MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ONs+ YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS!-B -- When you place your order, make sure you order each of the fourD reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them.C -- Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the fourSN reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you to send6 to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you.  E 2. IMPORTANT DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next D to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other thanD is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out onE the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works,hD you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this= method has been tested,and if you alter it, it will not work.s3 a. Look below for the listing of available reports."E b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement andvB       remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person hasA made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000! ? c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4.3? d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.a? e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.A7 f.  Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.i  >      Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address,      ACCURATELY!  E 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, andwD save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter.a  B    Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely; you can afford $20). You obviously already have an Interneto connection and e-mail is FREE!      B           There are two primary methods of building your downline:  5                        METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAILe  B Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes,? and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000dA programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5% D response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also,% many people will send out hundreds oft@ thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with thisE example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, thataC is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending E out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 E people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programsv each for a total of 200,000.D The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000E send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% responseeB to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills forE you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000: + $50,000 for a total ofC $55,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000t= PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS s9 PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF 4= EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000.TL Believe me, many people will do justthat, and more! By the way, your cost toS participate in this is practically nothing.  You obviously already have an InternetaA connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT #2 will show you the beste* methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you whereE to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists.h      <                 METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET  D Advertising on the internet is very, very inexpensive, and there areC HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to startrD small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLYD 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREEI ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume that  B  everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members.=  Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below:1  L 1st level--your 10 members with $5.......................................$50D 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)..................$500B 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)...........$5,000@ 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000).....$50,0001                    THIS TOTALS ---------->$55,550o  C Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate onlymD recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if theyD got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants!K THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them D  the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICEK  ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with YOUR+B name and address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report!  /                               AVAILABLE REPORTSt  <                 *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME ***)                                    Notes:eB -- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT      ACCEPTED./ -- ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL.rA -- Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least twoo: sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, include:C      (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) yourf3 e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address..  9                   PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:     = REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on thew	 Internet"o     ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:e
 A.P. Tritt PO Box 6462l Douglasville, GA 30154-6462h  7 REPORT #2: "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail"U ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:$ Kristin Butler 32 McCullough Rd Cody, WY 82414  B REPORT #3: "The Secret's to Multi-Level Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:a ADRP10 PO Box 7794p Athens, GA 30604-7794G  T REPORT #4: "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing  and the Internet"Y ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:d
 P. Drucker 1517A Rolling Glen Rdc Boothwyn, PA 19061                                l>                About 50,000 new people get online every month!                      a9                          ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******TC -- TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and followe the directions accurately.C -- Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them whenaD the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you+ MUST send out the requested product/report.g= -- ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE.iA -- Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow the ;      instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL! ? -- ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED!   :                    ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******?              Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:e  > If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue  D advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeksE later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you donoB 't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you> have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX,@ because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in!  5                        THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:oA Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed inoC front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by B watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to? generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue C placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit tor0 the income you will generate from this business!  E Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate in D this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOURD LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about
 this program:   E 1. You are selling a product which does not Cost anything to PRODUCE,n SHIP OR ADVERTISE.) 2. All of your customers pay you in CASH! 9 3. E-mail is without question the most powerful method ofs< distributing information on earth. This program combines theA distribution power of e-mail together with the revenue generatingg power of multi-level marketing.nE 4. Your only expense--other than your initial $20 investment--is youre time!iE 5. Virtually all of the income you generate from this program is PUREm PROFIT!e. 6. This program will change your LIFE FOREVER.  E ACT NOW!Take your first step toward achieving financial independence.tC Orderthe reports and follow the program outlined above--SUCCESSwilld be yourreward.  ;                  Thank you for your time and consideration.e  E PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering a E business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact yournC localoffice of the Small Business Administration (a Federal Agency)o@ 1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the? InternalRevenue Service offers free help via telephone and freegA seminars aboutbusiness tax requirements. Your earnings are highlyd< dependant on youractivities and advertising. The informationB contained on this site and in the report constitutes no guaranteesE stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this sitehD or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is nowD void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report areA estimates only. If you have any questions of the legality of this ? program, contact the Office of Associate Director for Marketing-E Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection inr Washington, DC.m    A /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////  Remove at qmkx@netscape.net A /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 03:25:13 -0000 % From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) 8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX./ Message-ID: <su7ncpk7o6iqfd@news.supernews.com>p  / Mike Flaherty <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> wrote:   L > If this is the case then why do I keep running into problems with MultinetL > that can only be fixed with patches from Process Software that emulate UCX
 > drivers.  # You are confusing cause and effect.R  D > For example I installed the Compaq supported version of Apache.  IH > followed the installation guide to the letter but I couldn't get it toJ > start up.  Once I mentioned to Compaq support that I was using Multinet, > everything was clear.   G The Compaq supported version of Apache worked with the Compaq supportedOK TCP/IP package but not with other vendor's package, and you were surprised?,  7 > They said there was a known problem with Multinet andh  8 Sure, from their point of view, it's a Multinet problem.4 And from Microsoft's point of view, a web browser is) an integral part of the operating system.t  K > that I had to give OPER privilege to the APACHE server account to make itgI > work.  I mentioned this in a seperate post on this newsgroup and Hunterd? > Goatley, presumably with Process Software, had this to say...A  A "presumably"?  Jeez, you *are* new here.  Hunter has more respectfC in this group than I'd ever hope for, and he's certainly earned it.   N > ****************************************************************************E > Just to clarify that, it was due to Apache using a UCX feature thatoD > MultiNet didn't emulate, but it does with the latest UCXDRIVER ECOH > kit for MultiNet and in MultiNet V4.3A.  If you install the ECO kit orC > upgrade to MultiNet V4.3A, you no longer have to give the account, > any privileges. N > ****************************************************************************  > Well, it's fairly obvious to me what happened:  Apache portersA followed the UCX design (possibly ignorant of other packages) and > used a feature that was homegrown.  Rather than sit on his assB and whine that Apache shouldn't have done that, someone at Process@ (probably Hunter) whipped up a fix so that Multinet could run asF Apache expected.  This is *not* what I'd call a "problem" on his part!  : I am guessing, but I'd like to see someone prove me wrong.  L > Now I know that Multinet is a great product as far as third party productsM > go.  However, it is still a third party product and and it will always have M > to assimilate to Compaq's code which means it will always be a step behind.u  ? (much cursing)  Ahem.  Mike.  You don't really know what you'res? talking about.  Multinet stomped UCX into the ground for years, @ in sales and in quality and in user enthusiasm.  And I mean thatA LITERALLY.  For *years* UCX sucked so hard that you couldn't mail ? reliably in either direction.  Digital tried to get TGV to selld? but they wouldn't.  If the partners hadn't sold off, they coulde< still have the lion's share of the market --- except for the= people who always buy because of the name on it (i.e., "we're . going with UCX because it's made by Digital").  B "always be a step behind" ??  Guess you don't need an IMAP server.  F Multinet is *still* better to use in some respects.  $ MU CONFIG /MENUA is a lot easier than the commands in UCX, but now I'm diving into  subjective points so I'll stop.h  N > Again, I can live with this if Compaq is still going to charge me seperatelyK > (more $$) for UCX but what is going to happen when Compaq does bundle UCX L > with VMS.  Will Process dump Multinet like they did with Purveyor (anotherG > great Process Software product that we had to find a substitute for)?   B I'd rather worry about Compaq dumping DECnet.  Oops, wrong thread.   ok dpms -- o3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/T- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comcC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)iC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:Murphy_DavidP@emc.com        (work)h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:16:02 +0200 & From: Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilen( Message-ID: <39E35CE2.7DDFBEFD@aster.si>   "R.A.Omond" wrote: > = > Bob Marcan wrote in message <39D445A8.7E31D1A4@aster.si>...O+ > >Age 50, VAX 11/780 VMS 1.5, still alive.T > ? > Still alive ?  You or the VAX 11/780 running VMS 1.5 ??   :-)s >  > Roy Omonda > Blue Bubble Ltd.. > (certainly not speaking on behalf of Compaq)  F I, but the machine was running in our Central Bank more than 15 years.   -- o@  Bob Marcan                           mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si?  Aster                                tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329e?  Nade Ovcakove 1                      fax:    +386 (1) 5894-201 @  1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                    http://www.aster.si   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:17:30 -0500O, From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profileA' Message-ID: <39E36B4A.7687FD9C@GCE.com>t  / OK, my age is %x35. Designed my first computer I< MDCCCCLXII, programmed first commercial one MDCCCCLXIII, saw< first DEC computer MDCCCCLXX, first pdp11 MDCCCCLXXIII, saw 9 and used first VAX MDCCCCLXXVIII, have had regular accessA. since sometime in the early MDCCCCLXXX decade.  < (I should of course express these in Anno Urbis Conditae but: that would be too weird. The first of the dates is however: AUC MMDCCXV. Too bad I don't know any Babylonian calendars so this can't get too weird.)A Glenn Everhart   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:06:24 +0000e From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>i0 Subject: Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12' Message-ID: <39E35AA0.287711D9@fsi.net>    Gaitan D'Antoni wrote: >  > >. TheM > >. OSU server automagically reads the user's home directory from the SYSUAFr > file../ > >. How can I get Apache to do the same thing?  > M > The current releases of Apache (V1.3.12 and CSWS V1) from Compaq do not use M > the SYSUAF file for authentication or to get information about the user. Wen, > are considering this for our next release.  < By all means! Please do so at the highest possible priority!   David J. Dachterar   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:42:24 -0400o3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>e0 Subject: Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.126 Message-ID: <8rvuve$aj4$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  + >. From: Alan Simon <SIMON@SHRSYS.HSLC.ORG>t/ >. Subject: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12h. >. Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 10:49:40 -0400 (EDT) >. To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com >.
 >. Hello - >.K >. I currently have the OSU web server, but because of a unsolvable problemo@ >. regarding a particular CGI script, I'm looking at Apache as a replacement.L >. I'm struggling to identify the home directory for a user in order to pass thatL >. information to Apache when the user's web page is accessed.  I have users onL >. three different drives, and in different group directories on each drive. TherK >. OSU server automagically reads the user's home directory from the SYSUAFn file.s- >. How can I get Apache to do the same thing?o  H I believe I misread your question and answered it incorrectly. If you'reJ trying to get the login directory for a username specified in a URL of theF form /~username that should work if the following conditions are true:  A   1. The configuration file must contain a userdir directive, TheOC       default Apache configuration includes a "userdir public_html"v?       directive, which differs from the OSU server's default ofe       userdir www.  D    2. The user sub-directory must be readable by the apache account.I       (Note that the default userdir directory for Apache is public_html,         while OSU uses www).g  A    3. The apache_privileged.exe protected shareable image must beoB       correctly installed and recognized by the main apache image.   Gaitan D'Antonid. Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderF http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.html Compaq Computer Corporationn   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:41:32 +0100c3 From: "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> & Subject: VAX Decompiler / Disassembler# Message-ID: <8s017u$dm6$1@gxsn.com>p  D Can anybody recommend a good De-compiler / Dis-assembler for reverse" engineering a .OLB library file ??  J The library object is created in MACRO language I believe, but may contain 'C' as well.  - Does anybody know were I can download one ???0   Thanks,e   Jeff   matrix01@globalnet.co.uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:59:48 GMT0= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o* Subject: Re: VAX Decompiler / Disassembler0 Message-ID: <009F166C.57D889A6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  Y In article <8s017u$dm6$1@gxsn.com>, "Jefferson Humber" <matrix01@globalnet.co.uk> writes:rE >Can anybody recommend a good De-compiler / Dis-assembler for reverse:# >engineering a .OLB library file ??! >MK >The library object is created in MACRO language I believe, but may containL
 >'C' as well.  >H. >Does anybody know were I can download one ??? >M >Thanks, >U >JeffE >F >matrix01@globalnet.co.ukO >1 >0  I Look for a package called DISM32.  Your source must be an executable file H so you will need to extract images from this library if this is an image= library or yank out individual objects and link them first.  i  C You can get DISM32 from:  ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/DISM32.ZIPi  < If you need any help let me know.  I've used it extensively.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMN            eO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.E   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 22:08:13 GMTo4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)* Subject: Re: VAX Decompiler / Disassembler( Message-ID: <hrME5.4568$R6.18248@insync>  2 Jefferson Humber (matrix01@globalnet.co.uk) wrote:F : Can anybody recommend a good De-compiler / Dis-assembler for reverse$ : engineering a .OLB library file ?? : L : The library object is created in MACRO language I believe, but may contain : 'C' as well. : / : Does anybody know were I can download one ???. : 	 : Thanks,. :  : Jeff :  : matrix01@globalnet.co.uk :  :   @ There's this one from the wku.edu site mentioned in the VMS FAQ:     DISM32
      Version: /      Description:  DISM32 VAX .EXE disassemblere      Author:       Andy Pavlin      Architecture: VAX      # of parts:   30o$      Language:     MACRO-32, Fortran  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.nett;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:18:55 GMT  From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..comh( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?8 Message-ID: <5pq6us0599uss7vatgeba3e66vu55h9chg@4ax.com>  9 On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:13:13 +0000 (GMT), Bill McLaughlin  <mcbill20@hotmail.com> wrote:   K >Is anyone else here running Oracle on a hobbyist machine? Maybe others in  + >the group can offer some additional input?A  8 I'm wondering how would one get around licensing issues?$ or does Oracle not use license keys?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:31:58 GMTe From: dan <dan@vrx.net>.( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?' Message-ID: <39E24770.8E6B5217@vrx.net>t  O Ok, just curious here, but what's wrong with using some Indexed files, and some  good coders?L Indexed files on VMS are really second to none in the DB world, nothing else really comes close.oM And if you're a good programmer (or know one) you can do just about anything,l and then some.   Dan.   Jim Jennis wrote:"   > That said... >oK > Free/low cost databases for VMS??? You have got to be kidding!!! The only M > thing that comes "free" from commercial companies for OpenVMS might be someII > illuminated bouncing balls to help you vent your frustration. Here's an9L > example of how the "big boys" treat VMS. If you do a lot of cross-platformK > development on Oracle, they make Oracle Enterprise available (through theoJ > Oracle Technology Network) on nearly every platform under the Sun (sorryL > ... no pun or enticement to Andrew intended) for $200 EXCEPT VMS. Here's a > "sample" price list. >  > Oracle Enterprise for NT $200T" > Oracle Enterprise for Linux $200$ > Oracle Enterprise for Solaris $200" > Oracle Enterprise for HP-UX $200" > Oracle Enterprise for Tru64 $200  > Oracle Enterprise for AIX $2004 > Oracle Enterprise for OpenVMS $70K for Alpha DS-10 >uL > Wasn't there a post saying that Oracle was committed to support OpenVMS? I0 > don't call the above policy support, I call it >e > 1. Price gouging > 2. Extortion > 3. A fast track into oblivionc >,L > There is a mindset among a lot of companies (including Compaq) that if you > run OpenVMS that either  >   > 1. You have very deep pockets.L > 2. They have got you right by your bouncing illuminated souveniers and you > will just sigh and pay up. > . > No wonder the flight from OpenVMS continues. > 
 > Just my .02s >i
 > Regards, >l > Jim.: > -------------------------------------------------------- >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:12:18 +0200l= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>R( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?) Message-ID: <39E38631.1D0170E9@gtech.com>   
 dan wrote:Q > Ok, just curious here, but what's wrong with using some Indexed files, and somey > good coders?N > Indexed files on VMS are really second to none in the DB world, nothing else > really comes close.SO > And if you're a good programmer (or know one) you can do just about anything,e > and then some.  F Indexed files are good for many purposes. So are relational databases.@ But I would not see indexed files as a substitute for relational" databases, more like a supplement.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:12:47 GMTs From: dalecoy@my-deja.comN" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!) Message-ID: <8rvm6n$gb0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s  H I checked with the "office staff" (Anne Foley) last Friday.  She said to> just ignore those statements until they get fixed in the text.  G You can fill out the form for Sustaining Membership, and either mail ordF FAX it to the address provided, along with your payment.  Anne assured me that it will be processed.e  8 In article <3ec6usct88nlljit2e0kdtkopqdq60k244@4ax.com>,/   Nigel Barker <nigel.barker@compaq.com> wrote:aE > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000 05:05:47 -0400, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>g wrote: >mG > >Effective this week Encompass is accepting Sustaining memberships noO matter/ > >what the person's country of residence is...i >cG > http://www.decus.org/encompass/Membership/join.shtml says in big bolde lettersw >dF > Membership in Encompass U.S. Chapter is open to U.S. residents only!
 All others- > please contact your Local Worldwide Chapteru >e > -- > Nigel Barker! > Live from the sunny Cote d'Azurx >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 14:26:07 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>v" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <39E35F3D.6C0B685F@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:dK > Encompass plans to make sustaining (paid) memberships available to non-USt2 > residents in direct response to member requests.  H Why not also make regular memberships available with the caveat that the7 member would not automatically receive paper mailings ?e  M I can understand how DECUS^h^h^h^h^hEncompass would not want to have to startsK mailing out tons of materials to exotic foreign locations such as Canada ornK Fiji, but having members from around the world would most definitely add toe; the DECUS-US membership list (make it look more important).C  L And as far as other chapters complaining is concerned, just let the gold oldK american competition do its magic: if a foreign chapter provides less value/M than a membership to the US chapter (even without paper mailings), then it is5> that foreign chapter's fault for losing members to the US one.  G Members should be able to go to an organisation which serves them best.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:17:50 GMT  From: dalecoy@my-deja.comw" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!) Message-ID: <8rvmg5$ggj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   B Actually, Jeff didn't write that originally -- but the posting wasB official, a week ago, and the "full text" still isn't there a week later.  But the "403" still is.   F I have been verbally told that there are "only minor changes" from theF previous text of the "incorporation bylaws", and that previous text is8 still available at:  http://Eisner.DECUS.org/bylaws-rev/  D Of course, that doesn't answer the questions about the text of the 7G other amendments.  Draft text is available in the bylaws working notes, @ but the "lawyer" was supposed to make it better, I believe -- so anything is possible.       * In article <39DDF0BC.8211F486@Easynet.fr>,3   Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> wrote:m > Jeff Killeen wrote:i > >E > ../..gH > > The full text of the bylaws, as well as the seven amendments will beD available within the next day at  http://www.encompassus.org/bylaws/ >P > A 403 error has occuredo >y	 > Reason:eE >         The site you are visiting does not allow directory listing.  >u > Error notes:5 >         Directory index forbidden by rule: /bylaws/* >*
 > Visitor:1 >         You may contact the site administrator.  >u > D. >r    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.u   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 11:32:53 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)l" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <YumeT+vfB6g+@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <39E35F3D.6C0B685F@videotron.ca>, *4      JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:oL >> Encompass plans to make sustaining (paid) memberships available to non-US3 >> residents in direct response to member requests.e > J > Why not also make regular memberships available with the caveat that the9 > member would not automatically receive paper mailings ?s > G     From a practical point of view, the "sustaining membership" fee for K Encompass isn't much different than what DECUS Canada was charging. I don't K know what CANACU intends(ed?) to charge as they won't answer my emails, but J let's assume it was similar. Wouldn't you rather give the money to a groupE that still shows some signs of life? Even if Encompass folds in a fewyE weeks due to the bylaw revisions failing (and I'm certainly hoping itkK doesn't ) I won't have received any less value from them than I've receivedaG from my DECUS Canada fees. If my $40 helps Encompass survive it's moneyI well spent.   M ============================================================================= M Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.casH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 15:01:01 -0400o- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> " Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!. Message-ID: <su6prft64jj23@corp.supernews.com>  > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:YumeT+vfB6g+@malvm1.mala.bc.ca... >...E >     From a practical point of view, the "sustaining membership" feei foriE > Encompass isn't much different than what DECUS Canada was charging.  I don'tiA > know what CANACU intends(ed?) to charge as they won't answer myr emails, butl  A Simple, check their web site (ha ha ha ha ha!!!! sometimes I killpB myself - when I sent Cathy an e-mail in September telling her thatD www.decus.ca was down she replied on September 6 that www.canacu.orgD would be back up by the end of the week. I sent her the same messageF last Friday but she has not responded yet (to be fair, this is a short/ work-week in Canada so she may be on vacation))    > let's assume it was similar.  6 CANACU wants $50 + GST so that's close enough I think.  F >                              Wouldn't you rather give the money to a groupRC > that still shows some signs of life? Even if Encompass folds in at few>D > weeks due to the bylaw revisions failing (and I'm certainly hoping itD > doesn't ) I won't have received any less value from them than I've receivedC > from my DECUS Canada fees. If my $40 helps Encompass survive it'sa moneye
 > well spent.    Agreed!n     --D For the pilot there is nothing as useless as sky above you or runway behind you, C for the Usenet reader there is nothing as useless as mime code in ab message.   ------------------------------   Date: 10 Oct 2000 19:31:31 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown)" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!. Message-ID: <8rvqqj$ob0$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  - Nigel Barker (nigel.barker@compaq.com) wrote: - : please contact your Local Worldwide Chapter %                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  I like this part!  ;-)     -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com 6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/C   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:27:10 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <39E37B92.3EF4A0C7@videotron.ca>   dalecoy@my-deja.com wrote:I > You can fill out the form for Sustaining Membership, and either mail oriH > FAX it to the address provided, along with your payment.  Anne assured > me that it will be processed.2  M Considering the trouble of paper mailing payments from a non US location intoaJ US dollars, are there any plans to allow on-line subscriptions with creditL cards to let the banks do the currency conversion  and save us a trip to the1 bank to get an internationla money order in USD ?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 16:31:20 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>F" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <39E37C8C.D82F2559@videotron.ca>   Malcolm Dunnett wrote:I >     From a practical point of view, the "sustaining membership" fee foriE > Encompass isn't much different than what DECUS Canada was charging.0  K About $10 more. But it is agreed that it won't be hard for DECUS-US to beatc: the level of services that DECUS-Canada offered for $50.00  K However, it would have much greater appeal and a greater mass of members ifCM free memberships were offered (with the caveat of not receiving any automatic2 paper mailings).   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:35:07 -0400v% From: Karl S. Erbland <karl@ksme.net>u" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!5 Message-ID: <MPG.144d55987510e3ac9896c4@news.alt.net>c  D In article <8rvqqj$ob0$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, brown@taiga.gmcl.com  says...a/ > Nigel Barker (nigel.barker@compaq.com) wrote:s/ > : please contact your Local Worldwide Chaptere' >                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  > I like this part!  ;-)  , I giggled and threw my hands in the air too.   It is cute.t7 Actually, it is sort of like the new bylaws wording! :)d   -- a -- i Karl Erbland KSME/Business Groups Tiffin, OH 44883   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:39:54 GMTa From: dalecoy@my-deja.come" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!) Message-ID: <8s02b9$ral$1@nnrp1.deja.com>.  = Yes, there have been "plans" to do that for the last 4 years.   ? Seriously -- the AMF that will be hired "real soon now" will (I > understand) have a scope of work that includes "secure server"C capability for the Encompass web site, that will also be enabled to * handle these kinds of transactions online.  G ...Just as soon as they take care of some other stuff.  I actually haveeE a bit of confidence that this will really happen, this time.  I woulduH guess it will be maybe a year -- but perhaps only a few months -- before it does.   So, please hold your breath...    , In article <39E37B92.3EF4A0C7@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > dalecoy@my-deja.com wrote:H > > You can fill out the form for Sustaining Membership, and either mail orB > > FAX it to the address provided, along with your payment.  Anne assuredi! > > me that it will be processed.$ >xA > Considering the trouble of paper mailing payments from a non USr
 location intonE > US dollars, are there any plans to allow on-line subscriptions withC creditG > cards to let the banks do the currency conversion  and save us a tripc to the3 > bank to get an internationla money order in USD ?t >.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:47:17 GMTa From: dalecoy@my-deja.comm" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!) Message-ID: <8s02p4$rpj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  ? And, with sustaining membership, you get a nice free tee-shirt.t  E Considering that several of us spent several years trying to persuadee@ the Board of Directors to at least allow memberships from non-USF residents under some conditions -- it would be appreciated if a lot ofG non-US folks would sign up for sustaining memberships.  Note that doingaF so confers all of the privileges, including YOU trying to persuade theH Board of the benefits of "greater mass of memberships if free membership s were offered".  G Oh, and you might be surprised - "not receiving any paper mailings" waslD not a big factor.  It was certainly not the primary reason given for/ requiring PAID membership for non-US residents.   , In article <39E37C8C.D82F2559@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > Malcolm Dunnett wrote:G > >     From a practical point of view, the "sustaining membership" fee  fortG > > Encompass isn't much different than what DECUS Canada was charging.u >1H > About $10 more. But it is agreed that it won't be hard for DECUS-US to beat< > the level of services that DECUS-Canada offered for $50.00 >6B > However, it would have much greater appeal and a greater mass of
 members ifE > free memberships were offered (with the caveat of not receiving anyi	 automaticO > paper mailings). >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.b   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 15:26:54 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) " Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <Uesc8XIay06C@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  - In article <39E37B92.3EF4A0C7@videotron.ca>,  2    JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:   > dalecoy@my-deja.com wrote:J >> You can fill out the form for Sustaining Membership, and either mail orI >> FAX it to the address provided, along with your payment.  Anne assuredo  >> me that it will be processed. > O > Considering the trouble of paper mailing payments from a non US location intoEL > US dollars, are there any plans to allow on-line subscriptions with creditN > cards to let the banks do the currency conversion  and save us a trip to the3 > bank to get an internationla money order in USD ?m  C    The form says you can fax the application in if paying by credit-E card - that's the avenue I used. On-line might be a bit slicker, but  @ assuming someone's checking the fax machine at the other end andE processing the forms I don't see much problem with doing it that way.l  C    I think that (at least with with our long distance billing plan)vA the fax charges would be less than the cost of a stamp anyway :-)i   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 15:28:29 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)'" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <+Swo3h$uo014@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  * In article <8s02p4$rpj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,      dalecoy@my-deja.com writes:f  I > Oh, and you might be surprised - "not receiving any paper mailings" wassF > not a big factor.  It was certainly not the primary reason given for1 > requiring PAID membership for non-US residents.  > 2    OK, I'll bite .. what *was* the primary reason?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:19:31 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!2 Message-ID: <8s0bn4$au3$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>  J Give us your sick, your tired, your huddled masses yearning to be free ;-)  K Seriously it is everyone unless some US law prevents us e.g. North Korea (In don't know if that is the case)s     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccfE =====================================================================l> "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:0S$H8jWwObP1@malvm1.mala.bc.ca...? > In article <9FGE5.123314$NH2.965105@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>,t= >      "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:. > >-F > > Encompass plans to make sustaining (paid) memberships available to non-USH > > residents in direct response to member requests. Under the old DECUS bylaws,$J > > US citizens residing outside the US could not become members of the USJ > > Chapter. Since a number of US Chapter members found themselves in thisL > > situation (e.g. in the midst of 6-month consulting assignments in non-USF > > locations), the issue was brought to the attention of the Board of > > Directors. > I >    So does this mean they don't want foreign citizens, just US citizens: > living abroad? >-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:25:29 -0400F& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!3 Message-ID: <8s0c22$nau$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>o  : I will give the direct but politically incorrect answer...  J A poll tax to make sure you were really interested.  You are very welcomed@ Malcolm and others so don't read too much into that statement...     --     Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccpE =====================================================================o> "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:+Swo3h$uo014@malvm1.mala.bc.ca...+ > In article <8s02p4$rpj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,m! >     dalecoy@my-deja.com writes:- >-K > > Oh, and you might be surprised - "not receiving any paper mailings" waseH > > not a big factor.  It was certainly not the primary reason given for3 > > requiring PAID membership for non-US residents.  > >:4 >    OK, I'll bite .. what *was* the primary reason? >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:31:16 GMTd4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!9 Message-ID: <UhQE5.4512$76.140031@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>   > "Malcolm Dunnett" <nothome@spammers.are.scum> wrote in message& news:YumeT+vfB6g+@malvm1.mala.bc.ca.... > In article <39E35F3D.6C0B685F@videotron.ca>,6 >      JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >- > > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:1G > >> Encompass plans to make sustaining (paid) memberships available too non-US5 > >> residents in direct response to member requests.a > >tL > > Why not also make regular memberships available with the caveat that the; > > member would not automatically receive paper mailings ?  > >eI >     From a practical point of view, the "sustaining membership" fee for^G > Encompass isn't much different than what DECUS Canada was charging. I  don't   L At least with Encompass, the Canadian membership stands to get something forJ their money (besides the lack of responsiveness to the membership - we gotL plenty of that).   Oops, I think I'm gonna ruffle some of the board (bored?)C feathers again on that - I'd better behave and just be quiet now...@  I > know what CANACU intends(ed?) to charge as they won't answer my emails,a but L > let's assume it was similar. Wouldn't you rather give the money to a groupG > that still shows some signs of life? Even if Encompass folds in a fewEG > weeks due to the bylaw revisions failing (and I'm certainly hoping itrD > doesn't ) I won't have received any less value from them than I've receivedI > from my DECUS Canada fees. If my $40 helps Encompass survive it's money.
 > well spent.s  	 Well put!m   >a >aL ============================================================================ =e< > Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.caJ > Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738 >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:04:50 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <39E3E6C5.A675A555@videotron.ca>   Curtis Rempel wrote:N > At least with Encompass, the Canadian membership stands to get something forL > their money (besides the lack of responsiveness to the membership - we gotN > plenty of that).   Oops, I think I'm gonna ruffle some of the board (bored?)E > feathers again on that - I'd better behave and just be quiet now...   I Why bother with the board of that CANA-something. Let them find their own N sponsor to pay for their board dinners and leave them alone, they won't bother  anyone if you don't bother them.  J Eventually, there might be enough canadian members of the DECUS-USA that aN canadian SIG might be formed and this may eventually become DECUS-CANADA. That2 Cana-something will have long disapreared by then.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 18:16:29 GMTu From: dan <dan@vrx.net> H Subject: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?' Message-ID: <39E235BF.EC415FD0@vrx.net>e  F I'm just wondering what the all around dream machine for VMS would be?F Is there a high end Alpha system (multi-cpu ?) in a desktop/tower unit that runs VMS?G How about an Alpha system with 512Mb of ram (and expandable after than) % with ability to put at least 4 drives 5 in the case (scsi, say 9gig or 18gig or even bigger)?z  ' How much would a system like this cost?   E keep in mind I'm trying to keep this in desktop or some sort of towera* size, not bar fridge or washing machine :)C even full tower like present pc (eck) servers size, something alongu those lines?  H And I've always been wondering what the fastest Alpha chip available is? Did the 2gig ever make it out?H and what's going on with present development. or is this now shifting to AMD ? or what?  C MSI has a dual-cpu Athlon motherboard, which means, technically youn# could have a 2GHz system sitting on.? your desk, running Charon and VMS, but is that really the best?b  B How does a top end Alpha really compare in todays processor world?  G I know, too many questions, but if I can get a good high-end system for $ a few $k (1-2 hopefully), I'm there!   Me.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 19:41:26 GMTn/ From: "Andrew C. Stoffel" <acs@cyberportal.net> L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?D Message-ID: <acs-4582E3.15420410102000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>  @ In article <39E235BF.EC415FD0@vrx.net>, dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote:  H > I'm just wondering what the all around dream machine for VMS would be?H > Is there a high end Alpha system (multi-cpu ?) in a desktop/tower unit > that runs VMS?  = Since I (personally) don't have room for a GS320 on my desk, e@ to me the best candidate for this would be an AlphaStation ES40 ; in a tower  configuration which can be maxed out @ 4 CPU's nF (Currently 667MHz 21264A's) , 32GB RAM and a useful amount of storage.  ) > How much would a system like this cost?   E Given that the list price for a DY-62BAA-EA (which I would use as theeC starting point for the above) is close to $60K...... and that the 3,D additional CPUs (KN610-BC's) would set me back close to $45K before ? adding enough memory,storage, and assorted other useful bits & t pieces.....   * There's no point in going any further....   I > I know, too many questions, but if I can get a good high-end system ford& > a few $k (1-2 hopefully), I'm there!  9 You'll have to forget the above machine then...... :-)...w   -Andy-   -- j@ ----------------------------------------------------------------@ Andy Stoffel                              acs@sPaMsPuDcampus.com@ It's difficult to see when peering over the shoulders of giants.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:19:23 GMTb From: dan <dan@vrx.net>rL Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?' Message-ID: <39E2528D.F1F46C94@vrx.net>n   "Andrew C. Stoffel" wrote:  > > Since I (personally) don't have room for a GS320 on my desk,A > to me the best candidate for this would be an AlphaStation ES40t< > in a tower  configuration which can be maxed out @ 4 CPU'sH > (Currently 667MHz 21264A's) , 32GB RAM and a useful amount of storage.  ) I'll have to check the stats of that one.   G > Given that the list price for a DY-62BAA-EA (which I would use as the0E > starting point for the above) is close to $60K...... and that the 3KE > additional CPUs (KN610-BC's) would set me back close to $45K beforei@ > adding enough memory,storage, and assorted other useful bits &
 > pieces.....  >.+ > There's no point in going any further....r  . ouch and double ouch.... perchance to dream :)  ; > You'll have to forget the above machine then...... :-)...M   I can dream, can't I? :)  L The company I'm with now is looking for an SGI onyx though (which can cost a small fortune).d% Personally though, $1k is pushing it.   I So, whatever happened to newer Alpha chips? I know there was once a 1Ghz,a and I heardiF "talk" of there being a 2GHz, but haven't seen anything on the market.  I Again, I know the Alpha designers now work for AMD, so that could account 
 for a lot. :)-   Dan.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:33:33 GMT?( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?' Message-ID: <G28EFx.A2G@spcuna.spc.edu>    dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:lI > I know, too many questions, but if I can get a good high-end system forn& > a few $k (1-2 hopefully), I'm there!     <chortle>j  H   You're obviously not in Compaq's target market. You can get a stripped entry-level DS10 for $3814: B http://www.screamsonalpha.avnetdirect.com/custom/bundles/index.aspG But that only has 128MB and an IDE disk, and doesn't have a VMS license-B (though the box will happily run Hobbyist OpenVMS if you qualify).  G   I have a pair of DS10's w/ 256MB and 2 9GB LVD SCSI disks each, and IpF just added a DLT8000. That's my home/hobby cluster, and it works quite& nicely, but it's definitely not $1-2K.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAl   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 20:54:14 GMTr% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>nL Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?) Message-ID: <8rvvli$p1t$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D In article <acs-4582E3.15420410102000@premium.news.fcgnetworks.net>,2   "Andrew C. Stoffel" <acs@cyberportal.net> wrote:B > In article <39E235BF.EC415FD0@vrx.net>, dan <dan@vrx.net> wrote: >.@ > > I'm just wondering what the all around dream machine for VMSA > > would be? Is there a high end Alpha system (multi-cpu ?) in ar% > > desktop/tower unit that runs VMS?t >s> > Since I (personally) don't have room for a GS320 on my desk,A > to me the best candidate for this would be an AlphaStation ES40j< > in a tower  configuration which can be maxed out @ 4 CPU'sH > (Currently 667MHz 21264A's) , 32GB RAM and a useful amount of storage.  D Sounds reasonable. I've talked to someone from manufactoring here inD Europe some weeks ago. He told they had qualified 8 (eight!) Grafic- cards for a customer...m   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------    Date: 10 Oct 2000 17:53:44 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)cL Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?+ Message-ID: <ZNDM$LS48Bez@eisner.decus.org>u  A In article <39E2528D.F1F46C94@vrx.net>, dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:i  K > Again, I know the Alpha designers now work for AMD, so that could account  > for a lot. :)i  M Perhaps some of the EV4 designers, but probably not many of the EV6 designersg$ and certainly not the EV7 designers.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:01:34 GMTu From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?' Message-ID: <39E383AD.6A6A68CA@home.nl>e  
 dan wrote: > H > I'm just wondering what the all around dream machine for VMS would be?H > Is there a high end Alpha system (multi-cpu ?) in a desktop/tower unit > that runs VMS?   Yes, just look here:: http://www5.compaq.com/alphaserver/workstations/index.html    I > How about an Alpha system with 512Mb of ram (and expandable after than)n' > with ability to put at least 4 drivesk7 > in the case (scsi, say 9gig or 18gig or even bigger)?y$ like 36GB or 70GB ? (also available)   > ) > How much would a system like this cost? 8 A small fortune if you have to pay for it yourself :-((      > G > keep in mind I'm trying to keep this in desktop or some sort of towers, > size, not bar fridge or washing machine :)E > even full tower like present pc (eck) servers size, something alongw > those lines? Oh yes, just look at the pics    > J > And I've always been wondering what the fastest Alpha chip available is?  > Did the 2gig ever make it out?H No, we are all waiting for it. There will be a 833MHz version this month (AFAIK) in the ES40 systemse  J > and what's going on with present development. or is this now shifting to > AMD ? or what?C There is a 10 yr development plan for the Alpha, than runs from thee> present EV6 (EV68) series to the EV11 if I remember correctly.   > E > MSI has a dual-cpu Athlon motherboard, which means, technically you % > could have a 2GHz system sitting onrA > your desk, running Charon and VMS, but is that really the best?e > D > How does a top end Alpha really compare in todays processor world?F The 833MHz version is the fastest processor in the specmark 2000 tests   > I > I know, too many questions, but if I can get a good high-end system fort' > a few $k (1-2 hopefully), I'm there!  G So would we be, together with about a 100.000 other VMS lovers !! Let'so@ hope there will also be hobbiest machines, and not only hobbiest( licenses. We can only hope and pray :-))   >  > Me.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 21:32:08 GMTl From: dan <dan@vrx.net>eL Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?' Message-ID: <39E26399.E7AF6B1F@vrx.net>e   Terry Kennedy wrote:  J >   You're obviously not in Compaq's target market. You can get a stripped > entry-level DS10 for $3814:B   Hobbyist never were, I guess.J  D > http://www.screamsonalpha.avnetdirect.com/custom/bundles/index.aspI > But that only has 128MB and an IDE disk, and doesn't have a VMS licensemD > (though the box will happily run Hobbyist OpenVMS if you qualify).   sure do.  I >   I have a pair of DS10's w/ 256MB and 2 9GB LVD SCSI disks each, and IiH > just added a DLT8000. That's my home/hobby cluster, and it works quite( > nicely, but it's definitely not $1-2K.  J But if I could get the same box, without ANY drives, and with NO ram, it'd be cheaper.kL hell, I can get a 40 gig drive for $250 or so (that's about $175 to those in the US),L and ram, well, 128MB of ram doesn't cost more than $100 (again, $65 to those in the US).c  J So those other systems on that site with just ram and HD upgrades, are not really worth it.L cheaper to get a stripped down system and build it up myself. Even SCSI hard
 drives aren'tuH that expensive, really, maybe 2x the cost of IDE where I am, maybe a bit more.s  J and since it's PCI, I might be able to get away with an Adaptec controller (maybe not likely),m8 which are fairly cheap as well. It's not a PC after all.  E Might have better luck on Ebay, I'm also looking for a system for thec company I am with,1 and their budget is a bit better than mine (heh).    Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:21:52 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?) Message-ID: <39E38870.5BE057B4@gtech.com>-  
 dan wrote:K > So, whatever happened to newer Alpha chips? I know there was once a 1Ghz,l
 > and I heardcH > "talk" of there being a 2GHz, but haven't seen anything on the market.  ) No system has shipped with a 1 GHz Alpha.   ? I am sure they are way beyond 1 GHz in the lab, but that is notuA particular relevant. What is shipping in systems are interesting.h  iK > Again, I know the Alpha designers now work for AMD, so that could account= > for a lot. :)=   ????  G AFAIK, then Alpha development are continuing, so somebody must be doingt
 the work !   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:19:41 +0200h= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>@L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?) Message-ID: <39E387ED.3A1A893B@gtech.com>t  
 dan wrote:H > I'm just wondering what the all around dream machine for VMS would be?H > Is there a high end Alpha system (multi-cpu ?) in a desktop/tower unit > that runs VMS?I > How about an Alpha system with 512Mb of ram (and expandable after than)t' > with ability to put at least 4 drives-7 > in the case (scsi, say 9gig or 18gig or even bigger)?n > ) > How much would a system like this cost?o  & That sound as a description of a DS20.  H I do not know the list price of a so equipped DS20, but something >25K$.  J > And I've always been wondering what the fastest Alpha chip available is?   731 MHz.    > Did the 2gig ever make it out?  E I have never heard of a 2 GHz Alpha. 2-3 years ago Compaq/Digital hadt some@ very optimistic views on future Alpha speeds. They seems to have problemsE getting systems with them shipping (other manufactorers seems to havemH similar problems, but other manufacturers apperently just start shipping0 even though the systems will not work properly).  J > and what's going on with present development. or is this now shifting to > AMD ? or what?   ????  D > How does a top end Alpha really compare in todays processor world?  @ In the top with integer performance. Way ahead in floating point performance.  I > I know, too many questions, but if I can get a good high-end system for & > a few $k (1-2 hopefully), I'm there!   1-2 K$ ?   No way !   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 23:02:13 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?5 Message-ID: <VdNE5.382$_7.155099@typhoon.aracnet.com>$   Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote: J >> I know, too many questions, but if I can get a good high-end system for( >> a few $k (1-2 hopefully), I'm there! I > So would we be, together with about a 100.000 other VMS lovers !! Let'srB > hope there will also be hobbiest machines, and not only hobbiest* > licenses. We can only hope and pray :-))  L One interesting point, it wouldn't just be Hobbyists wanting to run VMS thatJ would be buying such a system.  There would also be the Linux people going	 after it.e  F Personally in that price range I'd recommend looking for a PWS500au orL PWS600au with something like 256MB RAM, a Intraserver U2W-SCSI controller, aG couple Ultra160 HD's, and a decent graphics card (well good luck on thelF graphics card).  I'd also recommend taking a look at Island Computers,9 they're hobbyist friendly.  See: http://www.islandco.com m   			Zanee   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 00:14:48 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?' Message-ID: <G28ooo.EBn@spcuna.spc.edu>    dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:aJ >>   I have a pair of DS10's w/ 256MB and 2 9GB LVD SCSI disks each, and II >> just added a DLT8000. That's my home/hobby cluster, and it works quitev) >> nicely, but it's definitely not $1-2K.r > L > But if I could get the same box, without ANY drives, and with NO ram, it'd
 > be cheaper. N > hell, I can get a 40 gig drive for $250 or so (that's about $175 to those in
 > the US),N > and ram, well, 128MB of ram doesn't cost more than $100 (again, $65 to those
 > in the US).c  J   Well, Compaq prices a DS10 Linux-ready chassis w/ no disk at $4610 (withJ 256MB of memory) but they apparently won't sell that config unless there'sN a bunch of other stuff on the same PO - a disk (IDE alone or SCSI+controller),5 power cord, and a graphics card. You end up at $5889.R  I   Microway (http://www.microway.com) sells everything from bare boards totJ packaged systems. I don't know if their Alpha boxes work with VMS, though.  L > and since it's PCI, I might be able to get away with an Adaptec controller > (maybe not likely),l: > which are fairly cheap as well. It's not a PC after all.  G   Nope. The supported cards are pretty scarce, and all of the commodityiE cards have firmware hacks to distinguish them from the generic cards.m  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 02:43:18 GMTo2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?5 Message-ID: <atQE5.396$_7.155271@typhoon.aracnet.com>-  ) Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote:rK >   Microway (http://www.microway.com) sells everything from bare boards toeL > packaged systems. I don't know if their Alpha boxes work with VMS, though.  D Not sure who makes them but the 264DP Motherboard has been mentionedK recently as being capable of running OpenVMS if you've got supported boards G in it.  OTOH, I think a DS10 would probably end up being cheaper.  DoeshJ anyone know what a 264DP motherboard and CPU would run (or does it require both CPU's).   				Zane   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:11:38 GMTi4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?; Message-ID: <_LRE5.46009$tn.851477@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>g   > F > Not sure who makes them but the 264DP Motherboard has been mentionedF > recently as being capable of running OpenVMS if you've got supported boardsI > in it.  OTOH, I think a DS10 would probably end up being cheaper.  DoesoL > anyone know what a 264DP motherboard and CPU would run (or does it require > both CPU's). >h  H Don't have all the lurid details on the API DP264 mobo but I believe APIJ says it's Linux-only. I would suggest you contact nova@pacific.net.sg ThisJ firm is run by Nebojsa Novakovic in Singapore; Nova is well connected with all things Alpha-related.   F And on the Alpha front, from a recent issue of Shannon Knows Compaq...  L Intel might be inside, but Alpha Processor Inc. hopes that Alpha will remainK on top in the processor performance horserace. API is-at long last-readying<F its Caspian support chipset as well as a trio of motherboards that areJ expected to debut by the end of 1CQ01. The new motherboards include the UPL 1500, which supports 700MHz Alpha CPUs, DDR DIMM memory, and AGP2X graphics;K the UP 2700, a dual-processor Slot B-compatible board that will support thecJ Caspian chipset, up to 8GB of 200MHz DDR memory, and Alpha CPUs running atI 1GHz or higher; and the UP 1700, a uniprocessor derivative of the UP 2700a; that will support a socketed EV68 CPU. API is on the Web ati www.alpha-processor.com.   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.568 ************************