1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 12 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 570       Contents: Re: After RTFFAQ :-) Re: After RTFFAQ :-)= Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable) = Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable) = Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)  Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.C Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.C Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.C Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.C Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.C Re: comp.org.encompass.us " Re: Copying Directories via DecNet" Re: Copying Directories via DecNet$ Re: DCPS and HP 8100 series printers$ Re: DCPS and HP 8100 series printers$ Re: DCPS and HP 8100 series printers$ Re: DCPS and HP 8100 series printers$ Re: DECnet Plus training phased out? Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web  Re: Exec vs Super  Re: Exec vs Super 4 Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?4 Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?4 Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS , Re: Good news from the Alpha processor front, Re: Good news from the Alpha processor front, Re: Good news from the Alpha processor front, Re: Good news from the Alpha processor front Re: heap manager?  How to read "SHOW MEM" How to read "SHOW MEM" Java on Openvms  RE: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms 9 Re: LAT "routing" (was: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??)  License load error Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users Migrating the last VAX users Re: Mixing VAX C and DEC C( Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered products, Re: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered products, Re: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered products, RE: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered products, Re: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered products Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  OVMS Marketing Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS 7 Program to analyze C code module and file dependencies? ; Re: Program to analyze C code module and file dependencies? ; Re: Program to analyze C code module and file dependencies? ; Re: Program to analyze C code module and file dependencies? ' Reading and writing files via $QIO in C + Re: Reading and writing files via $QIO in C  Re: Rename File Question Re: Rename File Question Re: Renaming a file to [].<ext> 2 Re: Restore from *.bck (backup) onto UNIX platformP SOCKETSHR stuff - was Re: Announcement: TCGMSG for OpenVMS/ALPHA; 64 bit Version) Re: Support of JDK 1.2 on OpenVMS AXP 7.1 ) Re: Support of JDK 1.2 on OpenVMS AXP 7.1 
 SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYSMAN can use DECnet " SYSMAN doesn't respect UAF Proxies& Re: SYSMAN doesn't respect UAF Proxies Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears / Re: Trade-offs regarding Installed Known Images ' Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  VMS in Network World Re: VMS in Network World Re: VMS in Network WorldC Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?  where to get GCC 2.8.1 Re: where to get GCC 2.8.1 Re: where to get GCC 2.8.1 Re: where to get GCC 2.8.1$ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired... ' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired... ' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired... ' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired... ' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired... ' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired... ' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired... ' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired... ' Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:37:01 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: After RTFFAQ :-) 6 Message-ID: <8s2c0d$nga$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <39e431be.152907028@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes: A :On 10 Oct 2000 21:44:21 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff  :Hoffman) wrote: : N :>:If you're on an OpenVMS Cluster, it also depends on some SYSGEN parameters.O :>:If you CTL-P and wait too long to <C>ontinue, you will crash with a CLUEXIT. C :>:The other nodes will have assumed the node has left the cluster.  :>I :>  CONTINUE may or may not resume after a halt -- on upcoming platforms, M :>  OpenVMS Engineering is expecting that there will be too much I/O context  2 :>  and that reboot or similar will be required...5 :>  CONTINUE will not be available, in other words.    : E :So no more ability to manually reset quorum from the console after a 9 :hang? There have been a few times I've found this handy.   J   Not via the console IPL C (IPC) handler, though this capability to resetG   the quorum is presently available via the AMDS "quorum" mechanism and H   likely also via the Availability Manager.  If you have not configured C   and loaded AMDS or the Availability Manager tool, please do so...   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:38:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: After RTFFAQ :-) 6 Message-ID: <8s2c35$nga$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  k In article <OF061DCA63.9CDF358D-ON80256975.003B3819@qedi.quintiles.com>, steven.reece@quintiles.com writes:  : L :My immediate reaction to this would be "it depends upon what portion of theL :IO context was being changed".  If the cluster is inquorate then there willA :be no user processing going on, user IOs should be paused etc...   E   It is the console I/O context that is likely to be far more complex 6   to "hand-off" than is the case on present platforms.  K :There again, is the IPC fix actually a _supported_ way of restoring quorum % :or is the supported way to use AMDS?      Yep.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:05:20 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)+ Message-ID: <qs2RF7p9oudx@eisner.decus.org>    In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10010110216330.11722-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>, Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> writes: > L > Originally this is done for unix, so it is in C, in case anyone's curious.  F Which UNIX?  UNIX does not have a preferred byte order.  Different UIXC run on little-endian (ULTRIX) or big-endian (IRIX) systems, or both 
 (Solaris).   > Here's my question:  > I > My program expects to get raw (bit by bit) data out of a 4-byte numeric * > (generally, a "long" dumped to disk...)  > < > Assuming that I have (in motorola-type MSB-first order...) >  > ABCD   > J > The program will attempt to read ABCD, and DCBA. (I have a string in theJ > file header for this purpose ...)  And when it finds a match, it assumes. > that we now know the byte-order of the file.  E Strings you can count on to always store leftmost printable character D first serially in the file.  I will assume you actually are going to# read unformatted (aka binary) data.   L > Now, this is assuming that bit 0 of each byte will always contain the sameJ > bit (for instance, if we left shift the byte once, and or it with 1, we H > assume that this will give us the second bit stored, in the order that > they were stored)... > J > Can somebody give an example of a system on which this wouldn't be true?  F I think I could make a PDP-10 do that for a word or two.  You won't be running into any PDP-10's.  E > Also:  I've seen references to "VAX" byte order, which is (given my % > example above) something like BADC.  > 3 > DO VAXen natively store 4-byte numerics this way?   H VAX are little-endian systems.  Least significant byte of any multi-byteG numeric datum is stored at the lowest address.  This is like Intel (the G PC world), PDP-11, and such.  Other systems are big endian, storing the D most significant byte at the lowest address (such as IBM mainframes,B Macs, Suns).  Some systems use bi-endian hardware (can switch intoG either mode as required by the OS and other software before booting the E OS, each OS is likely to be built only one way), such as Alpha, Power 	 PC, MIPS.   G You should NEVER portray the data pictoriall with the least significant F byte on the left, this is extreemly confusion and leads some people toH conclusions that are just plain wrong (I have a 386 book that claims youG can't do shifts in memory).  Display the data with the most significant G byte on the left and then write down the addressing order.  For example 5 a four byte integer containg the value numerically 1:   +    little-endian address:        3  2  1  0   +    data bytes:                  00 00 00 01   +    big-endian address:           0  1  2  3   K > Lastly, what do you think about having a _standard_ byte-ordering for the I > file, and just adjusting the program that writes it on each platform to J > write the file properly? (As opposed to the current strategy which is toH > try making the program which reads the file byte-order independant...)  H I find it much easier just to throw a 4-byte integer containing 1 at theG begining of each file and the byte swap according to how it reads back. H (What you're doing now).  Or you can program in Java which always storesD data in big-endian order (must be a drag for all those little-endian JITs).  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:46:16 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)+ Message-ID: <ILUNDy9A6MMi@eisner.decus.org>   = If you control a project and really want to have portability, > use the DER (Distinguished Encoding Rules) for ASN.1 (Abstract Syntax Notation 1).    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:17:27 GMT + From: Jordan Henderson <jordan@my-deja.com> F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)) Message-ID: <8s2ld0$vm1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   / In article <Pine.LNX.4.05.10010110216330.11722-  100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>, 6   Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote: > B > Not to start any egg-cracking contest, but I'm wondering whether somebody. > can clearify an issue of byte-orders for me.   What's an egg-cracking contest?    > D > I ask because eventually I want to make sure this (very byte-order? > dependant) program will build and run on as many VMS boxen as 	 possible. 2 > (as well as whatever else might be out there) :) > C > Originally this is done for unix, so it is in C, in case anyone's  curious. >  > Here's my question:  > A > My program expects to get raw (bit by bit) data out of a 4-byte  numeric ) > (generally, a "long" dumped to disk...)  > < > Assuming that I have (in motorola-type MSB-first order...) >  > ABCD > F > The program will attempt to read ABCD, and DCBA. (I have a string in the B > file header for this purpose ...)  And when it finds a match, it assumes . > that we now know the byte-order of the file. > G > Now, this is assuming that bit 0 of each byte will always contain the  sameF > bit (for instance, if we left shift the byte once, and or it with 1, weH > assume that this will give us the second bit stored, in the order that > they were stored)... > D > Can somebody give an example of a system on which this wouldn't be true?  > E > Also:  I've seen references to "VAX" byte order, which is (given my % > example above) something like BADC.  > 3 > DO VAXen natively store 4-byte numerics this way?  > G > Lastly, what do you think about having a _standard_ byte-ordering for  the F > file, and just adjusting the program that writes it on each platform toG > write the file properly? (As opposed to the current strategy which is  toH > try making the program which reads the file byte-order independant...) > F > For the curious, this is a personal project of mine.  I'm attempting to do A > variable length (1, 2, or 4 byte chunks... maybe 8 bytes later)  > huffman compression. > G > Any help would be appreciated.  I'm not as familliar with this aspect  of > computing as I'd like to be.  @ This has all been solved before.  Someone else suggested DER andC ASN.1.  Another approach is XDR.  XDR is used by ONC RPCs, which is C available in TCP/IP Services (I believe), so the routines should be @ there somewhere (although I've never actually used them on VMS).  C Look at the RFC for XDR for more information.  A copy can be found:   .     http://www.landfield.com/rfcs/rfc1014.html     > 
 > Regards, >  > Chris  >  > H ======================================================================== =======  > "My two cents"0 	(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)4 > Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W
 Programmer! > Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL. ' > ------------------------------------- G > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes  and D > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes < > and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------	 ---------  >  >    -- -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:45:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.C 6 Message-ID: <8s2cfm$nga$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  J In article <8s1hus$tsv$1@trog.dera.gov.uk>, "laurie" <abd@bdc.com> writes:J :The motif cd player doesn't work on my system (comes up with all kinds of :vue... errors).  9   Details, please?  What are the details or specifics of:        o error messages?      o CD-ROM drive?      o CD-ROM interface?      o OpenVMS platform?      o OpenVMS version?     o DECwindows version?    :From the FAQ:J :    There's also SYS$EXAMPLES:CDROM_AUDIO.C and .EXE, a non-Motif program ..H :I've searched the freeware cd, Compaq's website and my installation butA :can't find it. Can anyone point me to it. (The C source will do)   I   This file is part of the OpenVMS VAX SYS$EXAMPLES: area.  If you do not G   have access to a VAX distribution, I can likely figure out how to get H   you a copy directly.  (I have also queued a clarification for this for   the next edition of the FAQ.)   G   There is a new audio player out that works with IDE CD-ROM drives and G   the updated DQDRIVER interface -- this is in the DQDRIVER area of the    Freeware website:   4     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/DQDRIVER/    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 20:38:57 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) % Subject: Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.C , Message-ID: <8s2j51$1563$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>  6 In article <8s2cfm$nga$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,5  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  |>  M |> In article <8s1hus$tsv$1@trog.dera.gov.uk>, "laurie" <abd@bdc.com> writes: M |> :The motif cd player doesn't work on my system (comes up with all kinds of  |> :vue... errors).  |>  < |>   Details, please?  What are the details or specifics of: |>   |>     o error messages? |>     o CD-ROM drive? |>     o CD-ROM interface? |>     o OpenVMS platform? |>     o OpenVMS version?  |>     o DECwindows version? |> r  E Well, as long as your offering to help, it didn't work for me either,nC but I am pretty sure I know why.  I just (successfully!!) installed F OVMS 7.1 on my VS3100.  Everything directly from the 7.1 distribution.E CDPlayer works for SYSTEM, but not for my regular user account.  ThatsB tells me that CDPlayer requires some PRIV that regular users don'tB normally get.  It's probably in the doc or the source, but the bigD question would then be what does it do to the security and stabilityD of the system if I have to give out expanded PRIVs to normal users??  E Not really concerned, just curious.  I really can't see the VS3100 as A a CD Player anyway.  Seems kinda like overkill as I have my handyi DiskMan too. :-)  
 All the best.v   bill   -- aJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   e   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 21:12:26 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.Ci6 Message-ID: <8s2l3q$p2a$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <8s2j51$1563$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:7 :In article <8s2cfm$nga$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,r6 : hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: :|> N :|> In article <8s1hus$tsv$1@trog.dera.gov.uk>, "laurie" <abd@bdc.com> writes:N :|> :The motif cd player doesn't work on my system (comes up with all kinds of :|> :vue... errors). :|> = :|>   Details, please?  What are the details or specifics of:r ..F :Well, as long as your offering to help, it didn't work for me either,D :but I am pretty sure I know why.  I just (successfully!!) installedG :OVMS 7.1 on my VS3100.  Everything directly from the 7.1 distribution.aF :CDPlayer works for SYSTEM, but not for my regular user account.  ThatC :tells me that CDPlayer requires some PRIV that regular users don'tOC :normally get.  It's probably in the doc or the source, but the bigyE :question would then be what does it do to the security and stabilityoE :of the system if I have to give out expanded PRIVs to normal users??n  =   Probably little or nothing, if you INSTALL /PRIV the image.   L   Assuming this is not listed in the comments, either use security auditing M   (or alarms) to dig up the needed privilege(s), or I can dig around and see n/   if I can figure it which privilege is needed.t  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:33:28 -0700:0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>% Subject: Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.C , Message-ID: <39E49658.6211F7E7@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:n > b > In article <8s2j51$1563$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:9 > :In article <8s2cfm$nga$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, 8 > : hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > :|>yP > :|> In article <8s1hus$tsv$1@trog.dera.gov.uk>, "laurie" <abd@bdc.com> writes:P > :|> :The motif cd player doesn't work on my system (comes up with all kinds of > :|> :vue... errors). > :|>l? > :|>   Details, please?  What are the details or specifics of:- > ..H > :Well, as long as your offering to help, it didn't work for me either,F > :but I am pretty sure I know why.  I just (successfully!!) installedI > :OVMS 7.1 on my VS3100.  Everything directly from the 7.1 distribution.rH > :CDPlayer works for SYSTEM, but not for my regular user account.  ThatE > :tells me that CDPlayer requires some PRIV that regular users don'tyE > :normally get.  It's probably in the doc or the source, but the bigoG > :question would then be what does it do to the security and stabilityoG > :of the system if I have to give out expanded PRIVs to normal users??l > ? >   Probably little or nothing, if you INSTALL /PRIV the image.  > M >   Assuming this is not listed in the comments, either use security auditing N >   (or alarms) to dig up the needed privilege(s), or I can dig around and see1 >   if I can figure it which privilege is needed.r > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  E Probably PHY_IO as it needs to be able to issue IO$_DIAGNOSE to work.c  
 Mark Berrymant   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:42:01 -0700s0 From: Mark Berryman <Mark.Berryman@Mvb.Saic.Com>% Subject: Re: cd player: CDROM_AUDIO.Ci, Message-ID: <39E49859.1ED91F94@Mvb.Saic.Com>   Mark Berryman wrote: >  > Hoff Hoffman wrote:e > >ld > > In article <8s2j51$1563$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:; > > :In article <8s2cfm$nga$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,h: > > : hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: > > :|>kR > > :|> In article <8s1hus$tsv$1@trog.dera.gov.uk>, "laurie" <abd@bdc.com> writes:R > > :|> :The motif cd player doesn't work on my system (comes up with all kinds of > > :|> :vue... errors). > > :|>=A > > :|>   Details, please?  What are the details or specifics of:o > > ..J > > :Well, as long as your offering to help, it didn't work for me either,H > > :but I am pretty sure I know why.  I just (successfully!!) installedK > > :OVMS 7.1 on my VS3100.  Everything directly from the 7.1 distribution.8J > > :CDPlayer works for SYSTEM, but not for my regular user account.  ThatG > > :tells me that CDPlayer requires some PRIV that regular users don'tiG > > :normally get.  It's probably in the doc or the source, but the big-I > > :question would then be what does it do to the security and stabilitypI > > :of the system if I have to give out expanded PRIVs to normal users??- > >-A > >   Probably little or nothing, if you INSTALL /PRIV the image.f > >dO > >   Assuming this is not listed in the comments, either use security auditinggP > >   (or alarms) to dig up the needed privilege(s), or I can dig around and see3 > >   if I can figure it which privilege is needed.t > > R > >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------P > >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com > G > Probably PHY_IO as it needs to be able to issue IO$_DIAGNOSE to work.   D Sigh.  I need to learn to type better.  I meant PHY_IO and DIAGNOSE.  
 Mark Berryman$   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:42:28 -0400e% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>n" Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us" Message-ID: <39e4c228@news.si.com>   Jerry Leslie wrote:l  & >Jeff Killeen (Jeff@Killeen.cc) wrote:I >: If anyone knows how to get a "comp.org.encompass.us" newsgroup creatediK >: I would appreciate it.  I don't have the knowledge or cycles to do it...t >: >: >s >r; >http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/p% >How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroupi  I Since I can read a FAQ as well as the next guy, I volunteer to begin this  process. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com/A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com-= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventn< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:17:43 -0400s- From: Niranjan Rajaghatta <hemanir@yahoo.com>a+ Subject: Re: Copying Directories via DecNetc) Message-ID: <39E4AEC6.4D2000A9@yahoo.com>H  D how about copy node<access params>::<directory...]*.*;*  node<access params>::<directory...]*.*;* ?   -RSN   James Griffin wrote:  ; > This may be a dumb question, but it's driving me nuts ...r > I > I have a VAXStation 4000 running VMS 5.4-2, and a DS20E running OpenVMStG > 7.2-1.  What I'm trying to do is copy a whole directory tree from the @ > VAX to the DS20E, including subdirectories and their contents. > F > Is there a way to do this without having to do it one directory at a > time?y >o > TIAH
 > Jim Griffino > griffin@vol.como   -- Remove "-nospam" to reply.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:16:42 +0930a$ From: "sseng" <sseng@ozemail.com.au>+ Subject: Re: Copying Directories via DecNeto2 Message-ID: <3uaF5.25877$O7.414619@ozemail.com.au>  ? Nope, I don't think this will work.  It will copy all the files E into the top level directory but it will lose the directory structured6 (ie. copy seems to ignore the dot-dot-dot [...] on the; target specification when it includes a (remote) nodename).c Works ok for local copies.  : Backup will do what you want, but you have to do it in two9 steps.  First back up to a remote save set.  Then (on then6 target system) restore the save set to the appropriate
 directory.  . 1.  mynode$   backup disk:[source-dir...]*.* --              yournode::[dir]save-set.bck/saved  / 2.  yournode$   backup [dir]save-set.bck/save -              [target-dir...]t    8 Niranjan Rajaghatta <hemanir@yahoo.com> wrote in message# news:39E4AEC6.4D2000A9@yahoo.com... F > how about copy node<access params>::<directory...]*.*;*  node<access  > params>::<directory...]*.*;* ? >o > -RSN >d > James Griffin wrote: >e= > > This may be a dumb question, but it's driving me nuts ...u > > K > > I have a VAXStation 4000 running VMS 5.4-2, and a DS20E running OpenVMStI > > 7.2-1.  What I'm trying to do is copy a whole directory tree from the B > > VAX to the DS20E, including subdirectories and their contents. > >VH > > Is there a way to do this without having to do it one directory at a	 > > time?o > >  > > TIAr > > Jim Griffini > > griffin@vol.come >  > -- > Remove "-nospam" to reply. >a >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:04:40 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>- Subject: Re: DCPS and HP 8100 series printerseC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-D8238A.16044011102000@news.compaq.com>   ? In article <8s28t3$kea$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave  , Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote:  G > Wondered if anyone here knew of a way of getting DCPS to tell a 8100  % > things like using paper trays, etc.p  H Some people have had success doing this.  I'm sure they'll pipe in here  and explain how.  gF > And if Paul Anderson is reading this, any word on when this printer  > might be supported by DCPS.e  D The HP LaserJet 8100 is on the list of printers DCPS is planning to E support in the next release.  The list is not definite (although the eE 8100 is near the top of the list) and neither is the product release eD schedule (although we want it to be a short time, rather than long,  until the next version).   Paul   -- n,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:50:13 -0500n1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>e- Subject: Re: DCPS and HP 8100 series printersP8 Message-ID: <8s2jls$m83$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>   Thanks for the update Paul.i   Dave...e  = "Paul Anderson" <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> wrote in message = news:paul.r.anderson-D8238A.16044011102000@news.compaq.com...u@ > In article <8s28t3$kea$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, "Dave. > Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> wrote: >tH > > Wondered if anyone here knew of a way of getting DCPS to tell a 8100' > > things like using paper trays, etc.1 >eI > Some people have had success doing this.  I'm sure they'll pipe in here  > and explain how. >tG > > And if Paul Anderson is reading this, any word on when this printerw > > might be supported by DCPS.  >.E > The HP LaserJet 8100 is on the list of printers DCPS is planning to.F > support in the next release.  The list is not definite (although theF > 8100 is near the top of the list) and neither is the product releaseE > schedule (although we want it to be a short time, rather than long,O > until the next version). >f > Paul >z > --. >    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS). >    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:35:16 -1000@+ From: "Helen Rapozo" <helen@hcc.hawaii.edu>2- Subject: Re: DCPS and HP 8100 series printers * Message-ID: <8s2te3$l03$1@news.hawaii.edu>  , "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>:I > Discovered today that the HP 8100 is not in the 8000 series of printers  and C > therefore is not supported with the latest version (1.8) of DCPS.e >tF > Wondered if anyone here knew of a way of getting DCPS to tell a 8100 things > like using paper trays, etc. >n% Just wondering but what does DCPS do?u   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:31:09 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)- Subject: Re: DCPS and HP 8100 series printers 3 Message-ID: <PPFKv6kEKRyd@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>n  9 In article <8s28t3$kea$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>, s7     "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> writes: M > Discovered today that the HP 8100 is not in the 8000 series of printers andrC > therefore is not supported with the latest version (1.8) of DCPS.  > M > Wondered if anyone here knew of a way of getting DCPS to tell a 8100 thingsn > like using paper trays, etc.  B         Yep, I'm doing on my cluster.  Will forward the details in
     e-mail...-           -Ken -- -M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Eduo:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:06:46 GMTi From: kparris@my-deja.comb- Subject: Re: DECnet Plus training phased out?b) Message-ID: <8s32r3$avc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:$ > My completely un-informed opinion: > E > When Bobby gave away the training, he may have put some caveat thatf
 GKN had toF > continue to provide VMS training for X number of years. Now that the X numberB > of years have elapsed, GKN will only provide those courses where there isE > enough demand. And since there isn't much demand for VMS (and hence- VMS-E > training), you'll probably the GKN curricula of VMS courses go downd (as well > as frequency of courses).t  F My experience is that there seems to be an increase in demand for VMS-D related courses right now.  I get asked to teach various VMS-relatedD classes on a regular basis (although I'm too busy at this time to doF so), and 3 of the consultants I know spend at least part of their timeB right now teaching classes for a training vendor (there are othersF besides GKN, of course, like MindIQ (formerly Bernstein & Associates), and the Parsec Group).G -----------------------------------------------------------------------tG Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospamnF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:45:20 -0700r3 From: Jeff Coffield <Jeffrey@DigitalSynergyInc.com>h  Subject: Re: DECnet/Alpha vs Web5 Message-ID: <39E509A0.226584FC@DigitalSynergyInc.com>f   Jennifer Tran wrote:  H > Could someone please explain to me how DECnet/Alpha can be used as the$ > back end for Web ...Many thanks... >o
 > Jennifer  7 We use an Alpha as an application server connected to ae- Linux/Apache/Firewall. No need for relationaleG databases or transaction processing overhead. VMS Basic with RMS files.b Simple, clean, fast, cheap.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:45:51 -0400h) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netl Subject: Re: Exec vs Super9 Message-ID: <39e4dfbf$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>>  . In <39E323E7.7C16864C@gtech.com>, on 10/10/00 :    at 04:12 PM, Arne Vajh j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> said:  + >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote: 0 >> In <39DF3AA3.BD159E32@gtech.com>, on 10/08/00= >>    at 12:21 AM, Arne Vajh j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> said:!. >> >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:N >> >> My grey cells aren't functioning well right now.  My question is EXEC vsK >> >> Super mode for logicals.  EXEC requires sysnam to create, but doesn'trK >> >> appear to ever "win" when same name defined in SUPER mode.  I vaguelytM >> >> remember there is a case where EXEC wins but can't put my finger on it.  >> >> Anyone clarify this?  M >> >When you do a logical translation you can request that only logicals in aI8 >> >certain mode or more priviliged are to be considered  I >> >Most applications especialy user-written uses the defeault USER mode,v: >> >which means that logicals in all modes are considered. >> k >> the default is Super mode.l   >????t   >Nope.   >Default is USER.g  G whatever.  According to both experiments from a GUEST account, a prived G account, and the on-line doc the default is SUPER.  But, believe as you- wish.a   Roland     -- 1; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:49:26 -0400n) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netl Subject: Re: Exec vs Super9 Message-ID: <39e4e099$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   , In <39E35F50.BFFF0FAA@fsi.net>, on 10/10/00 /    at 06:26 PM, SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> said:   + >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:r >[snip]l >> the default is Super mode.,  H >For DEFINE and ASSIGN, yes, that's true. Not sure about $CRELOG - don't >have the doc. set handy.h  . >>  User mode logicals are single use logicalsF >> which disapear when the executable image exits or a command file is >> invoked by @.  H >Well, yes and no. AFAIK, "user" mode logicals will disappear upon imageG >run-down or procedure exit. I could be (probably am) wrong about that.t   Define/user my_dir sys$login show log my_dirm @sys$login:login.com show log my_diro  F the last attempt to show my_dir will fail.  At least that was my test.   Roland   >David J. Dachtera -- s; -----------------------------------------------------------rD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:21:23 GMTe, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com= Subject: Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL? ) Message-ID: <8s2eje$pdt$1@nnrp1.deja.com>7  + In article <LdaS$qCN8yb8@eisner.decus.org>,     briggs@eisner.decus.org wrote:; > In article <39E472C8.5A7A1EE3@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi:# <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:0 > > Phillip Helbig wrote: H > >> What's the easiest way to do this which is reasonably efficient andG > >> elegant (i.e. not writing the output of dir/gra/siz to a file then|# > >> reading it in and parsing it)?n   $    Open /Read Test 'p1'  $    Cnt = 0 $ Loop:  $    Read /End=Done Test Dummy $    Cnt = Cnt + 1 $    Goto Loop $ Done:  $    Close Testl? $    Write Sys$output "Directory ",p1" contains ",Cnt," files.",  F (IMHO, the Pipe commands don't count 'cuz they create temporary files,, not to mention the multiple processes... :^)   Enjoy! Aaront --  OpenVMS: The OS MS wanted NT 2B.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:22:33 GMT. From: fatz_nyc@my-deja.com= Subject: Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL? ) Message-ID: <8s2lmh$vr0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    >y > $    Open /Read Test 'p1'p > $    Cnt = 0	 > $ Loop:?  > $    Read /End=Done Test Dummy > $    Cnt = Cnt + 1 > $    Goto Loop	 > $ Done:u > $    Close TestsA > $    Write Sys$output "Directory ",p1" contains ",Cnt," files."  >d  G Assuming P1 is supposed to be the directory file, this isn't gonna workgA cuz 1 dir entry can represent multiple versions of the same file.-  H This script OTOH, on a directory with 4942 files yields the same resultsA as a DIR/GR and runs in approx 24 seconds compared to DIR/GR's 40y seconds.  B I don't know the state of the disk I ran it on etc. but here's the script.-   Enjoy, Fatz.-   $ ! P1 = ddcu:[dir]yourdir.dir $2 $ if p1 .eqs. "" then exit $ wso := write sys$output. $ total_files = 0c $ wso f$ti() $ open/read/share dirfile 'p1' $ get_entry:( $   read/end=end_get_entry dirfile entry $   entry_length = f$len(entry)n/ $   name_length = f$cvui(0,8,f$extr(3,1,entry))r  $   after_name = 4 + name_length( $   v_length = entry_length - after_name $   numver = v_length/8o& $   total_files = total_files + numver $   goto get_entry $ end_get_entry: $| $ close dirfileh $ wso f$ti()$ $ wso total_files, " files in ''p1'" $ exit    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 11 OCT 2000 21:00:01 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)= Subject: Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?n6 Message-ID: <11OCT00.21000116@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  H In a previous article, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> wrote:  $ ->Surprisingly (sp?:-) I tried this: ->  > ->$ sea [-]mydir.dir "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx"/log/noout  -> hG ->and I got 131 records read, but there are 132 files in the dir... :-('  D Do you have multiple versions of any file? If there is only a single0 version of every file, the numbers should agree.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 19:10:51 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) 0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS* Message-ID: <8s2s1r$io7$1@lisa.gemair.com>  2 In article <vK_E5.213$cI6.35312@news.goodnet.com>,, Richard Jordan <rjordan@mars.mcs.net> wrote:F >> I'm curious.  Why _are_ you stuck on VAX?  Other's mentioned vendor& >> supplied code that won't be ported. >-L >Quite a few of our customers are still running (small commercial/financial)L >shops on MicroVAX 3100 systems.  Our code is ported and runs fine on Alpha,H >but they are small shops, a few to maybe 20 terminals running code thatH >is reasonably efficient.  So far there is not a hard reason for them toJ >move (support costs will eventually change that), plus due to the overallF >reduction in pricing of peecees, they are a _lot_ more cost consciousG >about computer hardware than they used to be.  Where they spent 10-15KlI >on that VAX setup 4-10 years ago, the current Alpha choices, even though H >considerably less in absolute terms, still seem overpriced to them when1 >compared to that glitzy 1GHz peecee at Best Buy.  > G >Granted that some of the V7.3 features wouldn't have much room to workwE >their magic on a 3100 (32MB RAM only caches so much), it would still F >be nice to have those improvements to show the customer that they areJ >being supported and enhanced, and that those _not_insignificant_ softwareE >support payments that they pay to the 'Q' to be able to upgrade are  ( >actually providing measurable benefits. >iG >Of course if the support cost for OpenVMS on VAX were to be reduced inoG >some proportion to the amount of work being put into enhancing OpenVMSaF >VAX (not the hardware support, mind you, which will contiue to rise),# >then it would be less of an issue.r >o  A I do believe there are _some_ additional costs being incurred by bA Compaq in supporting VAXen.  AND, I believe it's, as you suggest,a? a diminishingly small return for Compaq to provide enhancementshA when many of the customers couldn't make much use of them anyway.a  C From Compaq's perspective it's good to keep those maintenance costs D high to encourage upgrades (new hardware sales) and because they canD (where you gonna go?).  Perhaps a good case could be made for Compaq> to reduce these costs to cement their relationship with these @ customers who have been loyal for so long.  Certainly, if the OS> support contract costs go up and and up there is less and less@ chance that the customers will be upgrading with Compaq when the time does come.>   >Rich Jordan >rjordan@mcs.net >a   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.como   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:56:06 GMTh4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>5 Subject: Re: Good news from the Alpha processor fronth; Message-ID: <WQ1F5.46840$tn.860292@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>u  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009F1706.8583F5D0@SendSpamHere.ORG...G > In article <4R_E5.46789$tn.858847@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.s, Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > 9 > ><fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in message I > >news:OF3D53F80A.E6DDDE3B-ON83256975.004EDEE1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...bK > >> Sometimes I think Samsung should develop their own Alphaservers in OEMh > >withr > >> Compaq.$ > >> They should become cheaper..... > >oK > >Perhaps, but note that Samsung has a long and glorious AlGore-like track:E > >record with Alpha. Overpromise and underdeliver, as the expression  goes...b > 9 > Do you mean to say that Samsung invented the Alpha!  :)a >a  K Of course not. Everyone knows that AlGore invented the Alpha right after hehE invented the Internet. I have to admire the guy... between hoeing theoJ tobacco fields, raising 10,000 chickens, and doing all manner of things inK the absence of a controlling legal authority, it's amazing that Al had time ' to design and develop a microprocessor!@  C That said, Samsung has had a real tough time delivering on promised-K speeds-and-feeds. I have a two-year-old presentation which shows 1GHz Alphar% parts being available in Spring 1999.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:28:05 GMT2, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com5 Subject: Re: Good news from the Alpha processor fronte) Message-ID: <8s2bfa$mk3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  G In article <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010110703070.12195-100000@athena.csdco.com>,1,   John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com> wrote: >o3 > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13890.html'  D No, good news would be that they released a 1 GHz 21264E.  Good newsF would be that API was willing to support OpenVMS on their motherboardsF and was building hobbyist kits for under $2K.  Good news would be that= Alpha was shipping volume 1.4 GHz parts before Intel and AMD.h  C This is another yawn.  A leak to a dubious trade e-rag that somedayl< they might have something to ship is poor marketing at best.   JMHO,o Aaronn --  OpenVMS: The OS MS wanted NT 2B.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:40:58 -0700e+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>u5 Subject: Re: Good news from the Alpha processor front ( Message-ID: <39E4B43A.67D0A23D@mmaz.com>  O Thanks because Dear oh' Al has been too busy at AMD and Intel getting them overeN 1Ghz, they probably offered him more money than Samsung; of course it wasn't a- fund raising event with Buddhist Priests  :-)c   Barry    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:a  L > "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message, > news:009F1706.8583F5D0@SendSpamHere.ORG...I > > In article <4R_E5.46789$tn.858847@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. . > Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > > >e; > > ><fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageuK > > >news:OF3D53F80A.E6DDDE3B-ON83256975.004EDEE1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...oM > > >> Sometimes I think Samsung should develop their own Alphaservers in OEMl	 > > >with  > > >> Compaq.& > > >> They should become cheaper..... > > >uM > > >Perhaps, but note that Samsung has a long and glorious AlGore-like track G > > >record with Alpha. Overpromise and underdeliver, as the expression 	 > goes...e > >r; > > Do you mean to say that Samsung invented the Alpha!  :)i > >n >DM > Of course not. Everyone knows that AlGore invented the Alpha right after he-G > invented the Internet. I have to admire the guy... between hoeing theeL > tobacco fields, raising 10,000 chickens, and doing all manner of things inM > the absence of a controlling legal authority, it's amazing that Al had timem) > to design and develop a microprocessor!n >iE > That said, Samsung has had a real tough time delivering on promised M > speeds-and-feeds. I have a two-year-old presentation which shows 1GHz Alpha ' > parts being available in Spring 1999.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:28 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)P5 Subject: Re: Good news from the Alpha processor frontL0 Message-ID: <009F1724.479A8D96@SendSpamHere.ORG>  r In article <WQ1F5.46840$tn.860292@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >iK >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in messaget+ >news:009F1706.8583F5D0@SendSpamHere.ORG...nH >> In article <4R_E5.46789$tn.858847@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C.- >Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:r >> >: >> ><fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageJ >> >news:OF3D53F80A.E6DDDE3B-ON83256975.004EDEE1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...L >> >> Sometimes I think Samsung should develop their own Alphaservers in OEM >> >with
 >> >> Compaq.|% >> >> They should become cheaper...... >> >L >> >Perhaps, but note that Samsung has a long and glorious AlGore-like trackF >> >record with Alpha. Overpromise and underdeliver, as the expression >goes... >>: >> Do you mean to say that Samsung invented the Alpha!  :) >> >LL >Of course not. Everyone knows that AlGore invented the Alpha right after heF >invented the Internet. I have to admire the guy... between hoeing theK >tobacco fields, raising 10,000 chickens, and doing all manner of things in L >the absence of a controlling legal authority, it's amazing that Al had time( >to design and develop a microprocessor!  G ... and according to W., Al also invented the calculator.  Thus, it is v) feasible that he too created the Alpha.      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             nO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:50:10 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: heap manager?> Message-ID: <hshubs-F8D864.23501011102000@news.mindspring.com>  8 In article <8rse8f$2anm$1@beast.euro.net>, "Rob Eisink" ! <rob_eisink@essentium.com> wrote:e  @ >I mean an allocation/deallocation set to get malloc/calloc etc 
 >replaced.D >There thisd party vendors for other platforms like SmartHeap but I  >do not,+ >know if the is such a package for OpenVMS.   ? There's no need for one.  The routines in the general run-time -> library will let you adjust just about any parameter you like. -- m Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:24:50 GMTo" From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> Subject: How to read "SHOW MEM"1) Message-ID: <8s2pba$31f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i   <using his one for the day...>  C I admit it, I'm clueless. I'm looking at my show mem results, and IgD can't seem to decide if the results are good or bad. To me they seem* good, but then again I'm not a VMS expert.  G Also, about autogen, I usually save statistic when I shutdown, but do IlH need to do anything at startup to make sure those take effect. I'm using OpenVMS Alpha 7.1    Thanks in Advance, John   --- ********************************************* ( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."   /* John Eisenschmidtl, fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org (you know the drill) */    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.1   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:28:25 GMT@" From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> Subject: How to read "SHOW MEM"I) Message-ID: <8s2pi1$3c4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>0   <using his one for the day...>  C I admit it, I'm clueless. I'm looking at my show mem results, and I D can't seem to decide if the results are good or bad. To me they seem* good, but then again I'm not a VMS expert.  G Also, about autogen, I usually save statistic when I shutdown, but do IiH need to do anything at startup to make sure those take effect. I'm using OpenVMS Alpha 7.1E   Thanks in Advance, John  
 $ show mem@               System Memory Resources on 11-OCT-2000 18:18:54.47  @ Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use Modified@   Main Memory (512.00Mb)           65536       42210       22463 863e  @ Virtual I/O Cache (Kbytes):        Total        Free      In Use@   Cache Memory                      3200           0        3200  @ Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use Released@   Execlet code region               1024           0         512 512t@   Execlet data region                104           3         101 0-@   S0/S1 Executive data region        459           0         459 0m@   S2 Executive data region           320           0         320 0 @   Resident image code region        1024           0         822 202   @ Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident Swapped-@   Process Entry Slots                299         257          36 61@   Balance Set Slots                  297         261          34 2R  @ Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use Largest @   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory        3702784     1183232     2519552 380864@   Paged Dynamic Memory           3055616     1541056     1514560 1466464n  @ Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        Peak@   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)             76          95@   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                12          21  @ Memory Reservations (pages):                Reserved      In Use Type@ Total (0 Mb reserved)                              0           0  @ Paging File Usage (blocks):                     Free  Reservable Totaln)   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYSg@                                                32128       32128 38272a)   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYSt@                                               999296      874800 1056768-  F Of the physical pages in use, 17291 pages are permanently allocated to OpenVMS. $d       --- *********************************************I( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."   /* John Eisenschmidt-, fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org (you know the drill) */    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.g   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:36:53 GMTL/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>  Subject: Java on OpenvmsE Message-ID: <Fb4F5.1527$9T4.80301@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>4  L After passing on the article in Computerwold regarding the emergence of OVMSH to our management and developers, and adding my own two cents about  notJ needing to port from VMS to Unix when VMS supports such things as JAVA andL C++ I received the following question.  Since it is almost quitting time andH I would like to get them an answer today, maybe you can help.  The rightL answer to this may well forestall an imminent project to move an application from VMS to Unix."  : Is JAVA free on OpenVMS?  How do I get it? Is it any good?  F I will of course check the Compaq web site, but sometimes that takes a painfully long time.   Thanks for your help   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:01:39 -0400e) From: "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com>- Subject: RE: Java on OpenvmsB Message-ID: <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A6218@and02.drc.com>   Java is free on openvms.> http://www.digital.com/java/download/jdk_ovms/1.2.2/index.html  % (also on the Alpha Openvms 7.2-1 cd).   A I haven't played with it enough to tell you whether it is "good".    Eric Ebinger   > -----Original Message-----6 > From: John Nixon [mailto:jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net]+ > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 4:37 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt > Subject: Java on Openvms >  > = > After passing on the article in Computerwold regarding the H > emergence of OVMS @ > to our management and developers, and adding my own two cents  > about  not: > needing to port from VMS to Unix when VMS supports such  > things as JAVA and= > C++ I received the following question.  Since it is almost c > quitting time and2@ > I would like to get them an answer today, maybe you can help.  >  The right@ > answer to this may well forestall an imminent project to move  > an application > from VMS to Unix.n > < > Is JAVA free on OpenVMS?  How do I get it? Is it any good? > H > I will of course check the Compaq web site, but sometimes that takes a > painfully long time. >  > Thanks for your help >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 21:08:55 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Java on Openvms6 Message-ID: <8s2kt7$p2a$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  w In article <Fb4F5.1527$9T4.80301@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:g :Is JAVA free on OpenVMS?      Yes.   :How do I get it?D  G   As part of OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and later, and via download for OpenVMSe   Alpha V7.1 and later.    :Is it any good?     It's Java.  G :I will of course check the Compaq web site, but sometimes that takes ax :painfully long time.   B   The OpenVMS FAQ has a section entitled: "SOFT4. Where can I get A   Java for OpenVMS?".  You might want to start there, as URLs and C   information on plans for other OpenVMS releases and the (lack of)-B   plans for Java for OpenVMS VAX are included.  The OpenVMS FAQ is?   available at various spots, including www.openvms.compaq.com.a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:29:40 +0200d= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>  Subject: Re: Java on Openvms) Message-ID: <39E4E9D4.592BC7CC@gtech.com>i   John Nixon wrote: < > Is JAVA free on OpenVMS?  How do I get it? Is it any good?  ) Yes. Download from Compaqs web-site. Yes.c   And before you ask:y2    http://www.digital.com/java/download/index.html   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:50:33 GMTl/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>o Subject: Re: Java on OpenvmsD Message-ID: <tV7F5.342$Ef1.14947@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  F Thanks Eric, Arne and Hoff for your answers.  I am getting excited nowK because VMS is getting a real second look in our shop.  I now have a lot tom learn about Java.y  H Now for "stupid question time".   The Installation notes on the web (for' version 1.2.2-1)says that Java REQUIRESc' Alpha VMS 7.2-1 and TCP/IP version 4.1.,  J It doesn't say "at least V4.1"   it says "V4.1".  Is that a mistake?   VMSF 7.2-1 requires TCP/IP V 5.0.   I will be proceeding assuming that is a% mistake and that TCP/IP V 5.0A is ok.t   snip
 Prerequisitese  G To use the J2SDK v 1.2.2-1 kit, the following must be installed on youro system:h  % OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.2-1 or higher 6 Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.10 DECWindows Motif V1.2-4, if you plan on AWT use. Mandatory ECOs (patches)  endsnip  7 "Arne Vajhj" <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> wrote in messageo# news:39E4E9D4.592BC7CC@gtech.com...i > John Nixon wrote:c> > > Is JAVA free on OpenVMS?  How do I get it? Is it any good? >u+ > Yes. Download from Compaqs web-site. Yes.C >a > And before you ask:t4 >    http://www.digital.com/java/download/index.html >t > Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:57:08 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)B Subject: Re: LAT "routing" (was: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??)6 Message-ID: <8s29lk$n4u$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ! :Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??      Compaq has not.e  ] In article <39DD6E46.E76FF1A8@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes: F :When the Customer started working with us on this project (moving ALLI :lines from their offices to Sophia), they decided to stop LAT routing...r  J   Didier, I suspect there is a potential miscommunication lurking in that,F   something which may simply be a result of the subtleties of English G   phrasing...  There is no LAT router available, and LAT is not routed.D7   LAT can be bridged or switched, but it is not routed.i  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:04:50 +0800 + From: Steven Xie <r33300@email.sps.mot.com>> Subject: License load errorF1 Message-ID: <39E52A52.3EEBDCA8@email.sps.mot.com>a   Hello there,  C I have a two nodes cluster. On primary, I have load and actived theEF DW-Motif license, it's running OK. But on secondary, I try to load the, license, here is the error message I've got.  6 %LICENSE-W-NOLOAD, license was not loaded for DW-MOTIFB -LICENSE-F-EXCEEDED, attempted usage exceeds active license limits  % Is there anybody can help me on this?p   Regards, Steven   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:51:31 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)% Subject: Migrating the last VAX userss, Message-ID: <8s2crj$p1r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ? All good things come to an end and the VAX is now one of them. a  I Although I can see why the Q would like to continue milking the remainingiF VAX customers for "maintenance", maybe it's finally time to let go andG announce that VAX support in VMS ends with 7.2-1.  Since more and more  K things are now Alpha only, that's pretty much the way it is now anyway - soeI the Q might as well be honest about it. Such an announcement must be done J with great care though, as half the morons in the ITS press will read that" as ALL VMS development has ended.   G Rather than just cut the VAX/VMS people off cold, Compaq should arrangelI ahead of time for Mentec (or somebody else) to be available for continuedtH support,  as was done for the PDP line.  Moreover, they should also makeC one last heroic attempt to migrate all possible customers to Alpha.i  J I wonder if with the Charon VAX emulator running on an Alpha it might not J be possible to emulate their entire former machine - so long as it didn't J have custom hardware built into it?  In that case some of these customers G could possibly get a new Alpha, "clone" their old VAX to run within the D Charon emulator, and communicate between the two transparently usingJ DECNET, cluster protocols, or even TCP/IP?  Then, in a sense, they'd stillJ have their old VAX, and its software, but they'd also have the new machineA and could migrate at their leisure to newer software as it became J available. Since the VAXes were never any too fast, the emulator might run- things faster than did the original machine. y  J That doesn't seem like a likely option for controller applications though.G As it wasn't for the PDP before it.  Which is why the continued supporto% by a third party must be attended to.-   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu0? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech 8   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:28:10 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX users + Message-ID: <v0M320mjMVO$@eisner.decus.org>D  a In article <8s2crj$p1r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:sA > All good things come to an end and the VAX is now one of them. a > K > Although I can see why the Q would like to continue milking the remainingoH > VAX customers for "maintenance", maybe it's finally time to let go and5 > announce that VAX support in VMS ends with 7.2-1.  y  I Why end something which is profitable?  Just because building and sellingnB new VAXen ends does not mean sales and support don't turn profits.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationh= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GrouplE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying,   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:38:51 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)H) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX users + Message-ID: <R1o0yCA4yAlT@eisner.decus.org>a  a In article <8s2crj$p1r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:uA > All good things come to an end and the VAX is now one of them. 0  H No, I use mine daily, primarily because it has superior debugger support% to the Alpha.  YOur mileage may vary."  I > Rather than just cut the VAX/VMS people off cold, Compaq should arrangeyK > ahead of time for Mentec (or somebody else) to be available for continuedeJ > support,  as was done for the PDP line.  Moreover, they should also makeE > one last heroic attempt to migrate all possible customers to Alpha.o  G Mixed architecture cluster support would seem to require development byE a single vendor.  L > I wonder if with the Charon VAX emulator running on an Alpha it might not L > be possible to emulate their entire former machine - so long as it didn't L > have custom hardware built into it?  In that case some of these customers I > could possibly get a new Alpha, "clone" their old VAX to run within the,F > Charon emulator, and communicate between the two transparently usingL > DECNET, cluster protocols, or even TCP/IP?  Then, in a sense, they'd stillL > have their old VAX, and its software, but they'd also have the new machineC > and could migrate at their leisure to newer software as it became L > available. Since the VAXes were never any too fast, the emulator might run/ > things faster than did the original machine. v  8 Let me know when it runs faster than my VS4000 model 96.  5 Let me know when you have written VAX SCAN for Alpha.t  J Let me know when you have fixed the Alpha Ada debugger problems associatedH with discriminated records.  I have done my best to nudge Compaq, but it? seems to involve unsolvable internal political/funding battles.-  , My VAX works !  In a cluster with my Alpha !   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:54:42 -0400R* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX usersa+ Message-ID: <39E4D392.92551CF7@rtfmcsi.com>i   David Mathog wrote:e  @ > All good things come to an end and the VAX is now one of them. >l  
 ...snip...   >pK > I wonder if with the Charon VAX emulator running on an Alpha it might not K > be possible to emulate their entire former machine - so long as it didn't K > have custom hardware built into it?  In that case some of these customerstI > could possibly get a new Alpha, "clone" their old VAX to run within theaF > Charon emulator, and communicate between the two transparently usingL > DECNET, cluster protocols, or even TCP/IP?  Then, in a sense, they'd stillL > have their old VAX, and its software, but they'd also have the new machineC > and could migrate at their leisure to newer software as it became L > available. Since the VAXes were never any too fast, the emulator might run. > things faster than did the original machine. >a   ...snipt    O I tried the hobbyist/evaluation version of Charon-VAX for a little bit over thedN summer and then I looked at a couple of real world MicroVAX installations thatM might be considered as candidates for conversions.  A few issues and problems*= were uncovered and they might need to seriously be addressed.   L 1)  I emailed SRI and asked about what the maximum amount of memory was thatK Charon-VAX could present to OpenVMS.  Their response was that Charon-VAX isDL only emulating the MicroVAX II and it can only present 16MB of memory to theO OpenVMS operating system.  Until emulation of newer model [Micro]VAX systems isuE being done this 16MB memory limitation is going to be a real problem.m  L 2)  The full commercial version of Charon-VAX requires a hardware dongle forJ its licensing on the WinNT/Win2K platforms.  For Charon-VAX running on theM OpenVMS Alpha platform SRI has not yet decided, per an email reply from them,uN as to whether or not they will use a software license key or a hardware dongleO for the license key.  They claim that their dongles have a MTBF of 273.5 years,hF but as a system manager in a former life I strongly dislike ever beingI dependent on a non-redundant piece of hardware like a dongle.  When doing L disaster recovery planning these hardware dongles can be a reall pain in the butt to deal with.  L 3)  I asked SRI for some sort of "cost of ownership" documentation that theyL might have that would show that Charon-VAX was a viable alternative to usingK actual MicroVAX hardware.  Their response to my request was that they don'trO have that information and they do not plan to market Charon-VAX as a product to K compete against used MicroVAX equipment.  Since new MicroVAXes of the model M that they emulate are not being made (except maybe in Russia?) I find it hard O to figure out where they plan to place their product in the market.  I did some L actual comparisons of the cost of a used MicroVAX system configuration vs. aO new 1GHz PC (AMD CPU), a Win2K license, Charon-VAX license, etc... and the used L MicroVAX system was still cheaper to purchase.  Much of the price differenceJ came from the fact that the used MicroVAX hardware generally comes with anI OpenVMS license of some sort but the Charon-VAX emulator does not have anaM OpenVMS base license.  Now, on the maintenance side it is much less expensiverK to maintain a PC and to get replacement parts than it is for a MicroVAX andpH thus the long term cost of ownership for the hardware is less when using
 CharonVAX.    M I'm still undecided about the product.  It is a neat tool to work with, but I L don't know if it is ready for wide spread use.  It still is quite limited inO the type of hardware that it emulates and in the quantity of resources (memory, M I/O adapters, peripherals, etc...) that it can present to OpenVMS.  The price I for the Charon-VAX software is quite high in comparison to other types of.O hardware emulators on the market.  The VMware software is only $300.00 per copy J and it does a fine job of emulating a generic PC compatible computer.  TheK nearly $3K/$6K prices for Charon-VAX are just a little high considering theeL limitations in the product.  If SRI could cut the prices in half and get theK emulation to handle one of the MV 3100 models like an M80 or M90 then maybeuG they've got a fighting chance of getting their product much more widelyy	 accepted.      -- Chuck Chopp-  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:39:07 GMTd- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> ) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX userse< Message-ID: <%55F5.35009$hD4.8613532@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>  J I thought I had read that they would have VAX support for at least 5 or 10 more years?n   Dave  ? "David Mathog" <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote in messagel& news:8s2crj$p1r@gap.cco.caltech.edu...@ > All good things come to an end and the VAX is now one of them. >pK > Although I can see why the Q would like to continue milking the remaining H > VAX customers for "maintenance", maybe it's finally time to let go andH > announce that VAX support in VMS ends with 7.2-1.  Since more and moreJ > things are now Alpha only, that's pretty much the way it is now anyway - soK > the Q might as well be honest about it. Such an announcement must be doneoL > with great care though, as half the morons in the ITS press will read that# > as ALL VMS development has ended.j >nI > Rather than just cut the VAX/VMS people off cold, Compaq should arrange K > ahead of time for Mentec (or somebody else) to be available for continuednJ > support,  as was done for the PDP line.  Moreover, they should also makeE > one last heroic attempt to migrate all possible customers to Alpha.  >eK > I wonder if with the Charon VAX emulator running on an Alpha it might not K > be possible to emulate their entire former machine - so long as it didn'tmK > have custom hardware built into it?  In that case some of these customersTI > could possibly get a new Alpha, "clone" their old VAX to run within the F > Charon emulator, and communicate between the two transparently usingL > DECNET, cluster protocols, or even TCP/IP?  Then, in a sense, they'd stillL > have their old VAX, and its software, but they'd also have the new machineC > and could migrate at their leisure to newer software as it became2L > available. Since the VAXes were never any too fast, the emulator might run. > things faster than did the original machine. >lL > That doesn't seem like a likely option for controller applications though.I > As it wasn't for the PDP before it.  Which is why the continued support ' > by a third party must be attended to.d > 
 > Regards, >s > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduw@ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:17:41 GMTm4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX usersr; Message-ID: <9G5F5.47095$tn.864257@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>t  8 "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> wrote in message6 news:%55F5.35009$hD4.8613532@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com...L > I thought I had read that they would have VAX support for at least 5 or 10
 > more years?. >p  5 Sure they will. But at what price? It's time to go...i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:05:07 -0700e5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>-) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX users9) Message-ID: <uE7eXh#MAHA.327@cpmsnbbsa09>F  D Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:R1o0yCA4yAlT@eisner.decus.org...n >xL > Let me know when you have fixed the Alpha Ada debugger problems associatedJ > with discriminated records.  I have done my best to nudge Compaq, but itA > seems to involve unsolvable internal political/funding battles.- >-  J Admittedly I haven't used Ada (even if I do have it on my hobbyist system)I since college . . . however I thought I some something awhile back to the2H affect that Ada (Ada 83) is consider a mature product under OpenVMS (andI that it's already been retired for Tru64).  There never has been a Ada 9XaI compiler from Dec (Compaq) has there? Given all that I can't imagine that J fixing any debugger problems would be very high on the list of priorities.< However I could be dead wrong about any or all of this . . .   Joen   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 23:06:16 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX userst+ Message-ID: <lwJKVId1G970@eisner.decus.org>e  a In article <uE7eXh#MAHA.327@cpmsnbbsa09>, "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> writes:h > F > Larry Kilgallen <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message' > news:R1o0yCA4yAlT@eisner.decus.org...l >>M >> Let me know when you have fixed the Alpha Ada debugger problems associatedtK >> with discriminated records.  I have done my best to nudge Compaq, but itnB >> seems to involve unsolvable internal political/funding battles. >> > L > Admittedly I haven't used Ada (even if I do have it on my hobbyist system)K > since college . . . however I thought I some something awhile back to the-J > affect that Ada (Ada 83) is consider a mature product under OpenVMS (andK > that it's already been retired for Tru64).  There never has been a Ada 9X K > compiler from Dec (Compaq) has there? Given all that I can't imagine that L > fixing any debugger problems would be very high on the list of priorities.> > However I could be dead wrong about any or all of this . . .  > For David Mathog's vision of no-more-need-for-VAX to be right, you would have to be wrong.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 23:00:29 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX usersi, Message-ID: <39E52940.B0F8CBC3@videotron.ca>  8 Now is definitely not a good time to retire VAX support.  L 1- Compaq is (finally) attempting to do some  marketing of VMS. Reducing VAX: support would instantly discredit any attempt to push VMS.  E 2- There is large contingent of dormant VMS customers on VAX who will#L eventually migrate to other platforms. If you stop VAX support, you will notN only quicken that migration, but more importantly piss off those customers who, will do anything but migrate to Compaq gear.  N The trick is to show to those dormant accounts that Compaq means business withL VMS and show that VMS is no longer on the chopping block. Once customers seeM and beleive this (this will take some time), they may start to add more stuffNM to their VMS machines, at which poing growth will dictate migration to Alpha.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:56:58 -0600 - From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com>-% Subject: Migrating the last VAX usersr; Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7681C1@DENXCH>g  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033DE.F10EC16A  Content-Type: text/plain;a 	charset="iso-8859-1"o   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  7 > Let me know when you have written VAX SCAN for Alpha.V  J Hear, Hear!  Yes!  This was my own major disappointment when we turned theL corner from VAX to Alpha, and I'm still mystified why such a small, elegant,J useful language was snubbed by the then product managers.  Seems like it'dG be really straightforward to do a proper, supported port, given all thedE language technology available to DEC ... er, excuse me, Q...  I know,rD there's something in the DECUS archives (but does it really generateI Alpha-bits, or just VAX-bits compiled on an Alpha?), but c'mon, how aboutd the real thing?a  L > Let me know when you have fixed the Alpha Ada debugger problems associatedH with discriminated records.  I have done my best to nudge Compaq, but it? seems to involve unsolvable internal political/funding battles.a  H Again, yes, corroborated by our similar problems with VMS Pascal variantL records, etc.  Seems like compiler/language support ain't quite what it used( to be... the formula got lost somewhere.  . > My VAX works !  In a cluster with my Alpha !  J Is this a great planet or what!  Sadly, the days of such marvels will fade; as we move on to "better technology."  Give'em hell, Larry.t  	 --- Lorini  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033DE.F10EC16Aa Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printablee  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">l <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =r charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2650.12">a+ <TITLE>Migrating the last VAX users</TITLE>, </HEAD>  <BODY>  / <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Larry Kilgallen wrote:</FONT>- </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Let me know when you have written VAX SCAN for =c
 Alpha.</FONT>h </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hear, Hear!&nbsp; Yes!&nbsp; This was my own major =E disappointment when we turned the corner from VAX to Alpha, and I'm =eH still mystified why such a small, elegant, useful language was snubbed =? by the then product managers.&nbsp; Seems like it'd be really =wH straightforward to do a proper, supported port, given all the language =C technology available to DEC ... er, excuse me, Q...&nbsp; I know, =aF there's something in the DECUS archives (but does it really generate =E Alpha-bits, or just VAX-bits compiled on an Alpha?), but c'mon, how =   about the real thing?</FONT></P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Let me know when you have fixed the Alpha Ada =# debugger problems associated</FONT> E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>with discriminated records.&nbsp; I have done my = # best to nudge Compaq, but it</FONT> 9 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>seems to involve unsolvable internal =n! political/funding battles.</FONT>- </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Again, yes, corroborated by our similar problems with =yE VMS Pascal variant records, etc.&nbsp; Seems like compiler/language =R@ support ain't quite what it used to be... the formula got lost = somewhere.</FONT></P>a  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; My VAX works !&nbsp; In a cluster with my Alpha = !</FONT> </P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Is this a great planet or what!&nbsp; Sadly, the days = 9 of such marvels will fade as we move on to &quot;better = 7 technology.&quot;&nbsp; Give'em hell, Larry.</FONT></P>q  " <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>--- Lorin</FONT> </P>   </BODY>d </HTML>o) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C033DE.F10EC16A--s   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:24:05 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)# Subject: Re: Mixing VAX C and DEC Cu6 Message-ID: <8s2b85$nao$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  E In article <39E17F60.22327.9F41C38@localhost>, stan@stanq.com writes:AE :Quite some time ago, there was a manual describing how to mix VAX C e :and DEC C modules.     H   This documentation is presently available as part of the Compaq C for     OpenVMS VAX documentation set.  + :It described several possible techniques,  $ :including the use of VAXC2DECC.RTL. :t  :Anyone have a copy, or a link?   9   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/c_index.htmly3   http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/c/MG.htm     N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:27:16 -0400 4 From: "Douglas Taylor" <taylor@crystal.nrl.navy.mil>1 Subject: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered productsp* Message-ID: <8s2b8r$2a0$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil>  L I've got a MicroVax 3400 with a DEC RRD42 cdrom attached to a Viking QDO andI was able to install the hobbyist openVMS 7.2 from CDROM onto a RF72 disk.t/ Boots fine, got the license PAK installed, etc.u  H However, I have only been able to install Fortran (using vmsinstal), theH other layered products aren't seen by vmsinstal which mounts the CD thenI exits because it can't find the selected software.  How do I install, sayc TCPIP, using vmsinstal?e  E I also can't mount the cd, MOUNT/Media_format=cdrom/undefined_fat ...lK returns an error about the volume id.  Should I be able to mount and browsen the CD on the system?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:33:37 +0200 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>5 Subject: Re: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered productst& Message-ID: <39E4B281.62C7E178@cli.de>   Douglas Taylor schrieb:u > J > However, I have only been able to install Fortran (using vmsinstal), theJ > other layered products aren't seen by vmsinstal which mounts the CD thenK > exits because it can't find the selected software.  How do I install, sayt > TCPIP, using vmsinstal?  > = TCPIP is a *.PSCI to install with the PRODUCT INSTAL command.   G > I also can't mount the cd, MOUNT/Media_format=cdrom/undefined_fat ...hM > returns an error about the volume id.  Should I be able to mount and browse  > the CD on the system?d >uC there should be a label on the CD something like VMS072LP, so mountn) the cdrom with MOUNT <drivename> <label>.o  E To find out the label, mount/foreign shows the label. Dismount it and , mount it again with the correct label given.   --  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.deeC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:15:06 GMTi+ From: Craig A. Berry <calepine@my-deja.com>n5 Subject: Re: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered productsl) Message-ID: <8s2e7j$ov1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  * In article <8s2b8r$2a0$1@ra.nrl.navy.mil>,7   "Douglas Taylor" <taylor@crystal.nrl.navy.mil> wrote:-  G > I also can't mount the cd, MOUNT/Media_format=cdrom/undefined_fat ...eF > returns an error about the volume id.  Should I be able to mount and browse > the CD on the system?o  F Either give it the volume label (most likely printed on the CD itself)6 or use mount/override=identification.  See HELP MOUNT.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:48:18 -0400r# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> 5 Subject: RE: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered products"D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD843@berry.mvpsi.com>  K Do not use the /MEDIA_FORMAT=CDROM/UNDEFINED_FAT qualifiers.  They are usedTD when mounting an ISO9660 CD-ROM and your CD is a native ODS2 format.   > -----Original Message-----; > From: Douglas Taylor [mailto:taylor@crystal.nrl.navy.mil]q+ > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 2:27 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comn3 > Subject: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered productsf >  > @ > I've got a MicroVax 3400 with a DEC RRD42 cdrom attached to a  > Viking QDO and? > was able to install the hobbyist openVMS 7.2 from CDROM onto e > a RF72 disk.1 > Boots fine, got the license PAK installed, etc.d > ; > However, I have only been able to install Fortran (using o > vmsinstal), then? > other layered products aren't seen by vmsinstal which mounts c
 > the CD thenp? > exits because it can't find the selected software.  How do I a > install, say > TCPIP, using vmsinstal?m > G > I also can't mount the cd, MOUNT/Media_format=cdrom/undefined_fat ...c= > returns an error about the volume id.  Should I be able to c > mount and browse > the CD on the system?n >  >  >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 20:42:06 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)s5 Subject: Re: Mounting OVMS Cdrom and layered productsa, Message-ID: <8s2jau$1563$3@info.cs.uofs.edu>  & In article <39E4B281.62C7E178@cli.de>,+  Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> writes:. |>  H |> To find out the label, mount/foreign shows the label. Dismount it and/ |> mount it again with the correct label given.V  D I had no trouble installing from CD's mounted with /OVER=ID.  Didn't" seem to matter what the label was.   bill   -- yJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:04:38 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products, Message-ID: <39E4B9C2.210D34EA@videotron.ca>  
 re: compilersI  L Ok, sorry for my ignorance, but what exactly are "Visual C" and "Visual C++"B and "Visual Basic" compared to the real C C++ and Basic langages ?    D Is the programming language the same, but the "Visual" refers to theN development environment ? Or is the language fairly different with all sort of* proprietary MS additions to the LANGUAGE ?  6 (I realise that the run time APIs are very different).   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:25:12 +0200u= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products) Message-ID: <39E4E8C8.2A59601E@gtech.com>a   JF Mezei wrote:.N > Ok, sorry for my ignorance, but what exactly are "Visual C" and "Visual C++"D > and "Visual Basic" compared to the real C C++ and Basic langages ? > F > Is the programming language the same, but the "Visual" refers to theP > development environment ? Or is the language fairly different with all sort of, > proprietary MS additions to the LANGUAGE ?  A Visual XXXX is product that contains of an IDE (editor, compiler,h	 debugger)e= for a language that is a MS extension of a standard language.s  G Pretty nice functionality, but when people get sucked into Visual XXXX,  thenH they are lost forever, because they find it very difficult to develop in; another environment, because they have never learned about   standard versus MS extensions.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:00:45 -0700o! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comA( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated productsC Message-ID: <OF4AC32383.030BE2E6-ON88256975.0072C2ED@HEALTHNET.COM>a  G It's standard Microsoft practice: Visual C and Visual C++ are C and C++aJ implementations with subtle incompatabilities and extensions to the normalC ANSII standards. The "Visual" part seems to apply to either the GUIuJ development environment, or the bolt-ons provided to make it nice and easy= to tie your programs inextricably to the Windows environment.   I I hate them both with a passion you can only dream of, having just had to H port something written in DEC C over to them. It was amazing how often IJ found simple C functions that were nonstandard, broken or bug ridden, so IK had to "ifdef" in windows specific alternatives. Hell, they even managed tok break Malloc!!!!   Shanep          A JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> on 10/11/2000 12:04:38 PMo   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp cc:m  ) Subject:  Re: OpenVMS Integrated productsa    
 re: compilersg  G Ok, sorry for my ignorance, but what exactly are "Visual C" and "Visualv C++"B and "Visual Basic" compared to the real C C++ and Basic langages ?    D Is the programming language the same, but the "Visual" refers to theK development environment ? Or is the language fairly different with all sortp of* proprietary MS additions to the LANGUAGE ?  6 (I realise that the run time APIs are very different).   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:12:48 -0500v7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products- Message-ID: <39E51E20.997D5F55@earthlink.net>    Jordan Henderson wrote:: > ) > In article <39E353E9.C9F424E0@fsi.net>,t1 > SysAdmin  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> wrote:s > > 
 > > [snip] > >DJ > >No, I don't think that's blasphemy. However, as Hunter has mentioned inI > >the past, to the Gnu "core" people, VMS doesn't exist. He reports that + > >they have rather an attitude about that.  > >g > F > I think this is a gross exaggeration.  We had this discussion awhileD > back here and the best anyone could come up with was John MalmbergC > saying that a few fixes he had for Samba didn't make it back intodC > the baseline, but he attributed that more to busy developers thanh > to any anti-VMS sentiment. > B > The most "core" GNU person alive is Stallman, and when he was inE > charge of Emacs he made sure that the VMS mods were in the standard B > distribution.  I'm fairly certain that current releases of EmacsB > would build out-of-the-box if someone would just do the port and > send it to the maintainers.  > ? > I remember reading where Stallman said that VMS had some good > > things that he wanted to see included in The Hurd, like file2 > versions.  Doesn't sound VMS unfriendly to me... > = > I've seen _lots_ of GNU software, like the kind you find atD? > www.gnu.org that has VMS mods in it.  I'm confident that more@< > GNU software would run on VMS mods if we'd only submit the5 > changes and keep them up-to-date with new releases.. > @ > Want more evidence that "core" GNU people don't have a problem? > with supporting VMS?  http://vms.gnu.org/  - gnu.org is GNU'sr> > domain.  They went to the trouble of adding it to their name% > servers just to support GNU on VMS.e  H O.k. I went on Deja and dug up Hunter's earlier post. It's from a threadE titled, "Is 'The GNU on VMS Project' dead?" and its from 16-May-2000.   1 Here's the text of that post, in it's entirety...i  @ On Sun, 14 May 2000 00:22:08 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:    >iJ >I'm just really tired of all the complaints that the problem is that VMS I >just doesn't do it the eunuchs way so it is somehow faulted.  The *REAL*iJ >problem is the "blinders on" bias placed on these packages by the eunuchsI >zealots that author them.  If Stallman and his crowd really wanted to beaI >on platforms other than eunuchs, you'd find the GNUgly code written withoH >a little more consideration for and acknowledgement of other platforms. >0C As one of the original GNU porters way back when (I did a number ofa> the first Alpha ports that were on the DECUS Starter Kit CD or5 whatever it was called), I thought I'd chime in here.A  E Release after release, I'd diligently reapply my VMS modifications toVC the GNU sources.  I finally contacted the maintainers of sed, grep,sF and a couple of others, offering my mods for inclusion in the sources.A The same mods were necessary every time, so inserting them in thep8 actual source distribution one time would have sufficed.  B The replies I received were basically along the lines of, "I won't4 include the changes because I don't care about VMS."  4 Fine, said I.  I haven't ported a GNU utility since.  B RE: speed of programs, where I saw the biggest slowdown in sed andE grep and friends was that the utilities were generally to write out atC line by using fwrite() to write, say, 80 1-byte items.  By changingt: that for VMS to writing 1 80-byte item, output was sped up
 considerably.1     Hunter
 [End of text]   B So, if you're volunteering to maintain the archive of Gnu software% that's been ported to VMS, excellent!0  H Just be aware, that with every new Gnu release of a program, you'll have to re-apply the changes.   -- s David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systemsm http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 22:20:51 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)l( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products* Message-ID: <8s3763$tc4$1@lisa.gemair.com>  - In article <39E51E20.997D5F55@earthlink.net>,a6 David J. Dachtera <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: >Jordan Henderson wrote: >> d* >> In article <39E353E9.C9F424E0@fsi.net>,2 >> SysAdmin  <djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson> wrote: >> > >> > [snip]t >> >K >> >No, I don't think that's blasphemy. However, as Hunter has mentioned inlJ >> >the past, to the Gnu "core" people, VMS doesn't exist. He reports that, >> >they have rather an attitude about that. >> > >> eG >> I think this is a gross exaggeration.  We had this discussion awhilefE >> back here and the best anyone could come up with was John MalmbergpD >> saying that a few fixes he had for Samba didn't make it back intoD >> the baseline, but he attributed that more to busy developers than >> to any anti-VMS sentiment.N >> rC >> The most "core" GNU person alive is Stallman, and when he was in9F >> charge of Emacs he made sure that the VMS mods were in the standardC >> distribution.  I'm fairly certain that current releases of Emacs"C >> would build out-of-the-box if someone would just do the port and  >> send it to the maintainers. >> a@ >> I remember reading where Stallman said that VMS had some good? >> things that he wanted to see included in The Hurd, like fileg3 >> versions.  Doesn't sound VMS unfriendly to me...L >>  > >> I've seen _lots_ of GNU software, like the kind you find at@ >> www.gnu.org that has VMS mods in it.  I'm confident that more= >> GNU software would run on VMS mods if we'd only submit theA6 >> changes and keep them up-to-date with new releases. >> uA >> Want more evidence that "core" GNU people don't have a probleme@ >> with supporting VMS?  http://vms.gnu.org/  - gnu.org is GNU's? >> domain.  They went to the trouble of adding it to their name.& >> servers just to support GNU on VMS. >rI >O.k. I went on Deja and dug up Hunter's earlier post. It's from a threadiF >titled, "Is 'The GNU on VMS Project' dead?" and its from 16-May-2000. >e2 >Here's the text of that post, in it's entirety... >nA >On Sun, 14 May 2000 00:22:08 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Briand  >Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote: >c >>K >>I'm just really tired of all the complaints that the problem is that VMS  J >>just doesn't do it the eunuchs way so it is somehow faulted.  The *REAL*K >>problem is the "blinders on" bias placed on these packages by the eunuchs J >>zealots that author them.  If Stallman and his crowd really wanted to beJ >>on platforms other than eunuchs, you'd find the GNUgly code written withI >>a little more consideration for and acknowledgement of other platforms.& >>D >As one of the original GNU porters way back when (I did a number of? >the first Alpha ports that were on the DECUS Starter Kit CD ora6 >whatever it was called), I thought I'd chime in here. >yF >Release after release, I'd diligently reapply my VMS modifications toD >the GNU sources.  I finally contacted the maintainers of sed, grep,G >and a couple of others, offering my mods for inclusion in the sources.2B >The same mods were necessary every time, so inserting them in the9 >actual source distribution one time would have sufficed.a >nC >The replies I received were basically along the lines of, "I won'tt5 >include the changes because I don't care about VMS."  > 5 >Fine, said I.  I haven't ported a GNU utility since.l > C >RE: speed of programs, where I saw the biggest slowdown in sed andaF >grep and friends was that the utilities were generally to write out aD >line by using fwrite() to write, say, 80 1-byte items.  By changing; >that for VMS to writing 1 80-byte item, output was sped upo >considerably. >h  = Well, this is an eye opener.  I missed this thread back then.-  B I believe Hunter, there really does appear to be antipathy toward ) non-UNIX platforms among the GNU "crowd".   7 It's a shame.  They don't know what they are missing...-   >- >Hunter  >[End of text] > C >So, if you're volunteering to maintain the archive of Gnu software.& >that's been ported to VMS, excellent! >rI >Just be aware, that with every new Gnu release of a program, you'll haveo >to re-apply the changes.d >  >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/S >2; >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:A  >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ > G >This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postingsr >is to be expected.  >iA >Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.e >dG >However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, aren >strongly discouraged.   -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 20:03:40 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)- Subject: OVMS Marketingc, Message-ID: <8s2h2s$14d5$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  G Well, after our recent (put apparently pointless) discussion about what F it would take to get VMS back into academia, I just had to mention theE flyer I got in the mail from Compaq today.  this is the Compaq Highert% Education Catalog dated October 2000.n  B No surprises.  Lots of PeeCees running various flavors of Windows.A A "Thin Client" running Windows CE or Linux.  A couple of Serversn? running Novell.  There are even some Alphas running TRU64 Unix.c  @ Was there any mention of VMS??  Yes, at the bottom of one header+ paragraph on page 11 we find the statement:e: "AlphaServers support Compaq Tru64 UNIX, OpenVMS or Linux"1 and one more mention in the paragraph below that.e  < Pretty sad.  But I guess we can see how much interest Compaq& has in getting VMS back into academia.   bill   -- iJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   F   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 12:56:48 -0500e/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>y Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMSO Message-ID: <60333E9D00AE31E8.237882F2CA4681FE.216FA30F2142BBFB@lp.airnews.net>.  9 "Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515" wrote:D > - > In article <BWCru1TmzDGS@eisner.decus.org>,-E >         Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:  > [...]eK > > That will change.  Adobe is forcing DEQ to stop shipping the Postscript  > > Viewer.  ... > J >         Is that right, Larry?  I took  the phrase, "no longer supported"J >     or   "dropping  support  for"  to  mean  support  in  the  sense  ofJ >     _maintenance_.   I  thought/hoped  that   the   Display   PostscriptJ >     extensions  would  still  ship  with  DECwindows  and  that the VIEW1 >     command (with /FORMAT=PS) would still work.o > J >         If you're correct,  I'm  quite  displeased...and  need  to finshG >     building the latest GhostScript/GhoastView before that happens...e    F As I understand it, Display Postscript on VMS has been unsupported forE some time, but if it was already installed, it would be left in places during previous VMS upgrades.n  @ This changes with VMS 7.3, which will remove Display Postscript.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------o$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com 7   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:33:18 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <8s2bpe$nga$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <feWt5Vsndgxd@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:- :In article <BWCru1TmzDGS@eisner.decus.org>, =A :    	Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:S :[...]J :> That will change.  Adobe is forcing DEQ to stop shipping the Postscript :> Viewer.  ...- :-I :        Is that right, Larry?  I took  the phrase, "no longer supported"fI :    or   "dropping  support  for"  to  mean  support  in  the  sense  ofuI :    _maintenance_.   I  thought/hoped  that   the   Display   Postscript6I :    extensions  would  still  ship  with  DECwindows  and  that the VIEW 0 :    command (with /FORMAT=PS) would still work.  F   Correct.  Contractual requirements obligate the complete removal of G   Display Postscript, or some such phrasing.  There will be NO Display  G   Postscript present in the next release of DECwindows, in other words.e  I :        If you're correct,  I'm  quite  displeased...and  need  to finsh F :    building the latest GhostScript/GhoastView before that happens...  I   There are a couple of folks working on this (and I've been working more-F   directly with at least one), as I'd like to get a kit onto the next G   Freeware and don't have the cycles available to port it myself -- andcH   this means I need a PCSI kit containing the images by the end of next F   month.  All this as an option for folks that need to view Postscript   files.  D   Other related options: Chris Sheers has a (commercial) PDF viewer G   available, as well as the Java-based PDF viewer available from Adobe.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 15:11:35 -04001- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>< Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS, Message-ID: <39E4BB62.61C52DF0@videotron.ca>   Chris Scheers wrote:H > As I understand it, Display Postscript on VMS has been unsupported forG > some time, but if it was already installed, it would be left in placer > during previous VMS upgrades.   H Am I correct in stating that the Display Postsript engine on VAX-VMS 7.2# emulates Postscript Level 1 only ? a  B > This changes with VMS 7.3, which will remove Display Postscript.  N Ouch. Is there a way to backup those files and re-install them afterwards ? Or' is the engine deep down in the kernel ?a   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 19:12:48 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <8s2e3g$ntm$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <60333E9D00AE31E8.237882F2CA4681FE.216FA30F2142BBFB@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:eG :As I understand it, Display Postscript on VMS has been unsupported forcF :some time, but if it was already installed, it would be left in place :during previous VMS upgrades. : A :This changes with VMS 7.3, which will remove Display Postscript.   I   Clarification:  This capability -- and its expected removal -- is part mH   of DECwindows and of upgrading to the version of DECwindows available I   with OpenVMS V7.3, and not specifically part of upgrading OpenVMS V7.3  )   itself.  A subtle difference, I know...n  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:58:15 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)H Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <009F1724.8722AFA1@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <8s2bpe$nga$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:M >n >In article <feWt5Vsndgxd@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:c. >:In article <BWCru1TmzDGS@eisner.decus.org>, B >:    	Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: >:[...]eK >:> That will change.  Adobe is forcing DEQ to stop shipping the Postscript  >:> Viewer.  ... >:J >:        Is that right, Larry?  I took  the phrase, "no longer supported"J >:    or   "dropping  support  for"  to  mean  support  in  the  sense  ofJ >:    _maintenance_.   I  thought/hoped  that   the   Display   PostscriptJ >:    extensions  would  still  ship  with  DECwindows  and  that the VIEW1 >:    command (with /FORMAT=PS) would still work.3 >CG >  Correct.  Contractual requirements obligate the complete removal of  H >  Display Postscript, or some such phrasing.  There will be NO Display H >  Postscript present in the next release of DECwindows, in other words. >iJ >:        If you're correct,  I'm  quite  displeased...and  need  to finshG >:    building the latest GhostScript/GhoastView before that happens...  >aJ >  There are a couple of folks working on this (and I've been working moreG >  directly with at least one), as I'd like to get a kit onto the next eH >  Freeware and don't have the cycles available to port it myself -- andI >  this means I need a PCSI kit containing the images by the end of next  G >  month.  All this as an option for folks that need to view Postscriptd	 >  files.t >uE >  Other related options: Chris Sheers has a (commercial) PDF viewer  H >  available, as well as the Java-based PDF viewer available from Adobe.  @ Chris Sheers has the Java-based PDF viewer available from Adobe?     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             dO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 16:19:36 -0400@0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMSC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-47D3B3.16193611102000@news.compaq.com>c  1 In article <009F1724.8722AFA1@SendSpamHere.ORG>, n system@SendSpamHere.ORG wrote:  : >> In article <8s2bpe$nga$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, 8 >> hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:  >>E >> Other related options: Chris Sheers has a (commercial) PDF viewer dB >> available, as well as the Java-based PDF viewer available from 	 >> Adobe.e >tB > Chris Sheers has the Java-based PDF viewer available from Adobe?  F I don't know if he's installed it or not.  Why don't you ask him?  Or C are you suggesting Hoff could have improved his sentence structure?e   Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:28:27 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <tqAsORQyvuqe@eisner.decus.org>t  k In article <8s2bpe$nga$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:r  F >   Other related options: Chris Sheers has a (commercial) PDF viewer  >   available,  $ But not yet available on CD-ROM :-(.   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:27:12 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)l Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <foMVBzDnpSf7@eisner.decus.org>m  k In article <8s2e3g$ntm$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:l >  > In article <60333E9D00AE31E8.237882F2CA4681FE.216FA30F2142BBFB@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:nI > :As I understand it, Display Postscript on VMS has been unsupported forNH > :some time, but if it was already installed, it would be left in place  > :during previous VMS upgrades. > : C > :This changes with VMS 7.3, which will remove Display Postscript.t > K >   Clarification:  This capability -- and its expected removal -- is part tJ >   of DECwindows and of upgrading to the version of DECwindows available K >   with OpenVMS V7.3, and not specifically part of upgrading OpenVMS V7.3 t+ >   itself.  A subtle difference, I know...   D Not subtle if older versions of DECwindows continue to work on V7.3.   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:03:38 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <bRK0fuOQREgc@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>o   In article <60333E9D00AE31E8.237882F2CA4681FE.216FA30F2142BBFB@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:  [...],H > As I understand it, Display Postscript on VMS has been unsupported forG > some time, but if it was already installed, it would be left in placec > during previous VMS upgrades.R > B > This changes with VMS 7.3, which will remove Display Postscript.           Gads!!!     A     	OK, GhostSript, here I come (David Mathog mentions that he'sh0     recently done a VMS build without problems).           Thanks, Ken. -- 4M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edun:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:21:14 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)@ Subject: Program to analyze C code module and file dependencies?, Message-ID: <8s2b2q$p1r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  J I'm looking for a (free) tool that will extract all of the relevant piecesE for a single program from a heap of code which contains code for many H programs.  It's all written in C.   The bits and pieces of the program II want to extract from the original distribution make up a tiny fraction ofeJ the package and they are scattered all over the place, one function in oneJ file, another in another file, and so forth.  One of the goals of this is L that I want to make the target program build on VMS, but the existing build  scripts only work on Unix.    H Just to be a little more specific, assume the program to be extracted beI is called FINAL and that it calls a function for_final() whose code is in 8 many_routines.c.  Inside many_routines.c we might have:    #include <stdlib.h>h #include <stdio.h> /* comment1 */ #define FOO "blah1"N #define WOO "blah2"  int i;	 double d;u /* comment2 */ char *both;.   /* code used by final */ int for_final(int param){t8   if(param < 0)(void) fprintf(stderr,"%s%s\n",both,FOO);   return(param*i); }O   /* code not used by final */$ double not_for_final(double dparam){:   if(param < 0.0)(void) fprintf(stderr,"%s%s\n",both,WOO);   return(dparam*d);H }'  B After running this code through the processor it should look like:   #include <stdlib.h>e #include <stdio.h> /* comment1 */ #define FOO "blah1"  int i; /* comment2 */ char *both;l   /* code used by final */ int for_final(int param){d8   if(param < 0)(void) fprintf(stderr,"%s%s\n",both,FOO);   return(param*i); }t   Does such a beast exist?   Thanks   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:38:10 -0400m# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>mD Subject: Re: Program to analyze C code module and file dependencies?+ Message-ID: <39E4B392.FEE152B6@hsc.vcu.edu>a  z look up a code called mmsgen, from the space telescope guys, it works GREAT for Fortran...  really saves me loads of time.  A it was also on the decus distrib one time, that's where i got it.c  	 Jim Agnewy   David Mathog wrote:e > L > I'm looking for a (free) tool that will extract all of the relevant piecesG > for a single program from a heap of code which contains code for manytJ > programs.  It's all written in C.   The bits and pieces of the program IK > want to extract from the original distribution make up a tiny fraction ofaL > the package and they are scattered all over the place, one function in oneK > file, another in another file, and so forth.  One of the goals of this iswM > that I want to make the target program build on VMS, but the existing buildi > scripts only work on Unix. > J > Just to be a little more specific, assume the program to be extracted beK > is called FINAL and that it calls a function for_final() whose code is ine9 > many_routines.c.  Inside many_routines.c we might have:  >  > #include <stdlib.h>  > #include <stdio.h> > /* comment1 */ > #define FOO "blah1"  > #define WOO "blah2"  > int i; > double d;e > /* comment2 */
 > char *both;n >  > /* code used by final */ > int for_final(int param){r: >   if(param < 0)(void) fprintf(stderr,"%s%s\n",both,FOO); >   return(param*i); > }t >  > /* code not used by final */& > double not_for_final(double dparam){< >   if(param < 0.0)(void) fprintf(stderr,"%s%s\n",both,WOO); >   return(dparam*d);  > }f > D > After running this code through the processor it should look like: >  > #include <stdlib.h>I > #include <stdio.h> > /* comment1 */ > #define FOO "blah1"r > int i; > /* comment2 */
 > char *both;x >  > /* code used by final */ > int for_final(int param){v: >   if(param < 0)(void) fprintf(stderr,"%s%s\n",both,FOO); >   return(param*i); > }e >  > Does such a beast exist? >  > Thanks >  > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu2@ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:43:36 -0700 - From: "Dann Corbit" <dcorbit@solutionsiq.com>eD Subject: Re: Program to analyze C code module and file dependencies?% Message-ID: <Xx2F5.49$pY6.650@client>o  N Sounds like you're looking for ctags.  Should be pretty easy to find a copy on the net. --0 C-FAQ: http://www.eskimo.com/~scs/C-faq/top.html$  "The C-FAQ Book" ISBN 0-201-84519-9I C.A.P. FAQ: ftp://38.168.214.175/pub/Chess%20Analysis%20Project%20FAQ.htme   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 20:32:30 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)rD Subject: Re: Program to analyze C code module and file dependencies?, Message-ID: <8s2iou$1563$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  + In article <39E4B392.FEE152B6@hsc.vcu.edu>,d&  Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu> writes:B |> look up a code called mmsgen, from the space telescope guys, it= |> works GREAT for Fortran...  really saves me loads of time.h |> oD |> it was also on the decus distrib one time, that's where i got it. |>    F Speaking of the Space telescope guys, does anyone know where you go toG find the jTools package??  All I can find is release notes but it lookscE like it would go a long way in the work of porting stuff from UNIX toy8 VMS. Unless I am totally mis-understanding what it does.   bill   -- AJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:55:34 -0400 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>0 Subject: Reading and writing files via $QIO in C; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001011144441.01bc82e0@24.8.96.48>o  L Well, I'm about to embark on yet another Adventure In C. (Lucky me...) This K time I need to either open and rip through an existing file, or create and n dump data to a new file.  I Anyone got example code kicking around that I can peer at for a bit that   does this sort of thing?   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------.2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evena;                                       teddy bears get drunks   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:31:19 GMT  From: fatz_nyc@my-deja.com4 Subject: Re: Reading and writing files via $QIO in C( Message-ID: <8s2m77$c7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   >3E > Anyone got example code kicking around that I can peer at for a bit7 that > does this sort of thing?  G Depending on what exactly it is you want to do, there may be any numberH@ of solutions and they might not necessarily mean you have to use> QIOs.  You might even be able to do it with the standard crtl.   What are you up to?>     Fatz    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.9   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 18:15:07 GMTi/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> ! Subject: Re: Rename File Questiong) Message-ID: <39E467DB.3AC07F6E@uiowa.edu>h  R > }Forgive my total ignorance, but why would one want to do this?  Is it academic,L > }or something?  I cannot see any reason in the small world that I live in. > }  > }Regards, Paddy  > J > Sine he wants to make "hidden" files, I assumed that the disk was servedG > via NFS to Unix systems. On most Unix systems files with the ".stuff" H > type names don't show up in normal directory listings (you have to add$ > a switch to tell it to show them).  A 	Almost.  The OSU HTTP server supports "hidden" files as the HTMLOG that is presented on directory browser URLs and I would like to utilizehD this feature.  It assumes any file starting with a "." is hidden andE does not present it on the listing to the requesting HTTP client.  Ifo, I did NFS to *IXen that would be useful too.  ? 	FWIW: the MXRN newsreader, Lynx, NEdit, Mosaic and IDL are all C examples of OpenVMS software I have now that use and put ".-Hidden"dD files in your Sys$Login directory too.)  I personally find this fine@ since it reduces the special case handling of the application on OpenVMS.  = 	IMHO, OpenVMS would be better if it implemented the "hidden"eE attribute in the basic DIRECTORY command in the future. :)  All thoseeG DECW$* and such config files could usually be ignored most of the time!e  A 	BTW:  The final answer I came up with for this question topic is-A that it is essentially not possible to do it easily.  Not withouto writinglF your own custom program.  Several variations on a simple program usingG the system service SYS$RENAME were put forward which did the rename butcA not recursively, etc.  I had ideally wanted to be able to issue ac commandi1 like this to march down an entire directory tree:t   	$ Rename [...]foo.bar .bart  / Thanks to all that contributed to my request!!!d   Regardsb Rick -- lH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-14790   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:35:23 GMTc% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>8! Subject: Re: Rename File Question.) Message-ID: <8s2iub$tb7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>F  ) In article <39E467DB.3AC07F6E@uiowa.edu>,h2   "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> wrote:C > > }Forgive my total ignorance, but why would one want to do this?cB > > }Is it academic, or something?  I cannot see any reason in the  > > }small world that I live in. > > }  > > }Regards, PaddyS > > E > > Sine he wants to make "hidden" files, I assumed that the disk waslG > > served via NFS to Unix systems. On most Unix systems files with theaG > > ".stuff" type names don't show up in normal directory listings (yout2 > > have to add a switch to tell it to show them). >f> > 	Almost.  The OSU HTTP server supports "hidden" files as theF > HTML that is presented on directory browser URLs and I would like toC > utilize this feature.  It assumes any file starting with a "." is-F > hidden and does not present it on the listing to the requesting HTTP: > client.  If I did NFS to *IXen that would be useful too.  E Looks like you can't use '$ DIRECTORY/EXCLUDE=.*;*', because it triesR; to be helpfull and supplies a '*' for the NAME component...h  A > 	FWIW: the MXRN newsreader, Lynx, NEdit, Mosaic and IDL are all E > examples of OpenVMS software I have now that use and put ".-Hidden"eF > files in your Sys$Login directory too.)  I personally find this fineB > since it reduces the special case handling of the application on
 > OpenVMS. >i? > 	IMHO, OpenVMS would be better if it implemented the "hidden"nG > attribute in the basic DIRECTORY command in the future. :)  All thosesC > DECW$* and such config files could usually be ignored most of the  > time!p  B You can use the logical name DECW$USER_DEFAULTS for most of them -= I beleive there is a separate name for the DECWcalendar file.t  @ > 	BTW:  The final answer I came up with for this question topicF > is that it is essentially not possible to do it easily.  Not withoutB > writing your own custom program.  Several variations on a simpleD > program using the system service SYS$RENAME were put forward whichF > did the rename but not recursively, etc.  I had ideally wanted to beE > able to issue a command like this to march down an entire directorye > tree:n >  > 	$ Rename [...]foo.bar .barS    The world isn't fair, is it? ;-)D I don't recall that was in the original request, you wrote 'a file'.C You've made me curious, though. I'll see if I can find some time tok" hack a solution together tomorrow.   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 20:09:40 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)( Subject: Re: Renaming a file to [].<ext>+ Message-ID: <6lTZl66UKyeB@eisner.decus.org>   @ You could jacket this with lib$file_scan inside the program, or 4 f$search( ) outside the program to handle wildcards.  F In article <8rt557$eqs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, fatz_nyc@my-deja.com writes: >  > D >> Good question.  Even LIB$RENAME will preserve the part before theE >> dot.  (Not surprising, HELP LIB LIB$RENAME Arguments tells me that-B >> the functionality is the same as the DCL RENAME command!  Doh!) >   > SYS$RENAME doesn't - try this. >  > /*+ > **  $ mc []ren <original file> <new file>- > */ >  > #include <starlet.h> > #include <ssdef.h> > #include <rms.h> > #include <string.h>p > #include <stdlib.h>S >  > main(int argc, char **argv)i > {8
 >   int stat;l >   struct FAB fab1, fab2; > $ >   if (argc < 3) exit(SS$_INSFARG); >  >   fab1 = fab2 = cc$rms_fab;d >  >   fab1.fab$l_fna = argv[1];r% >   fab1.fab$b_fns = strlen(argv[1]);l >  >   fab2.fab$l_fna = argv[2];l% >   fab2.fab$b_fns = strlen(argv[2]);e > ' >   stat = sys$rename(&fab1,0,0,&fab2);o  >   if (!(stat & 1)) exit(stat); >  > }i >  >  > /*	 > ** Fatza > */ >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 21:36:46 GMTC- From: "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com>-; Subject: Re: Restore from *.bck (backup) onto UNIX platform0< Message-ID: <O35F5.34995$hD4.8612494@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com>    Why not just FTP the files over?   DaveE "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote in messageiC news:Pine.LNX.4.21.0010111540070.7524-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl...s, > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Hitendra Patel wrote: >  > +Hie > [...as in subject...]v  > +Any help will be appreciated. >CC >  Probably the same as in "How to unpack .BCK files in non-VMS..."2; > subiect some days ago where includes the FAQ point... -;)l >l >  Regards - Gotfryd >d > --G > =====================================================================nH > $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - > THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEa0 > $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plG > =====================================================================s >  >A >  >e >a >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 17:55:09 -0500f) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> Y Subject: SOCKETSHR stuff - was Re: Announcement: TCGMSG for OpenVMS/ALPHA; 64 bit Versionr/ Message-ID: <su9rrhafc94l0d@corp.supernews.com>:  L To clarify, some misconceptions, the socketshr image is basically abandoned, and in need of a maintainer.  I If just the MMS command is used to build it with out any special compiler H defines to build the debug logic, it should clean compile under DEC C orH GCC.  If you use the command files to build it, they set compile optionsI that I did not test, and cause it to build additional code that is not ini0 any of the binaries for it that I know to exist.  B That additional code makes calls to getenv() to determine if debugH information is to be logged.  I do not recommend enabling that option at? compile time.  I performed no testing of that code path at all.r  J I only really tested it under GCC/VAX 2.8.1.  I worked out some patches toI remove some of the other compiler diagnostics for DEC C (6.0 IIRC) on VAXsK and they are at the FTP site as separate ZIP archives.  At the present timehG I do not know if it will clean compile on DEC C, and am not really in a  position to do so.  H Socketshr images linked with the VAX CRTL can not be mixed with programsJ expecting it to be linked with the DEC C RTL.  For that reason, I modifiedL the MMS file to produce images linked with the DEC C RTL to have a different
 extension.  K $QIO() calls to sockets will not work with the CMU-IP stack as the getsdc():L call is a noopt, and the socketshr library is buffering up I/O internally to: compensate for features not present in the CMU-IP product.  F And again, there is absolutely no reason to use SOCKETSHR on the ALPHAH platform, as all known TCP/IP products for OpenVMS Alpha can be directly' called from the DEC C run time library.l    8 "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.network> wrote in message( news:su8q0rlu37p0e@corp.supernews.com... >tJ > The only advantage to using the socketshr library is on the VAX platform soG > that your product will work with CMU-IP.  I strongly do not recommend  usingd > it on Alpha. >r? > The most current socketshr sources that I am aware of are at:n >r > ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/a >s > -Johna > wb8tyw@qsl.network >n >o   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:12:25 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)2 Subject: Re: Support of JDK 1.2 on OpenVMS AXP 7.1+ Message-ID: <SNYatOarboZH@eisner.decus.org>l   In article <21EC2A9D83EED311A3EB0008C733892B1CEB3D@S70ERTBIA11>, "DECHAIZE Thierry (Dir INFRA)" <thierry.dechaize@sncf.fr> writes:
 > 	Hi all, > * > 	I'm very angry about this information : > A > 	Why only support JDK 1.2 on  OpenVMS AXP 7.2 minimum version ?a > D > 	It's a software, many new classes in JDK, but what's problem with, > OpenVMS AXP 7.1 ? I don't understand why ! >   F    There are a couple of patches needed to run.  These patches are notF    yet available on older versions of VMS, but Compaq has committed toG    making the kit available on a couple older versions.  I assume that ;G    means they're working on the patches.  Why not just look at 7.2 as ao    patch you need?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationb= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GrouppE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:27:07 +0200a= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> 2 Subject: Re: Support of JDK 1.2 on OpenVMS AXP 7.1) Message-ID: <39E4E93B.70F1FFC6@gtech.com>w  % "DECHAIZE Thierry (Dir INFRA)" wrote:n1 >         I'm very angry about this information :- > H >         Why only support JDK 1.2 on  OpenVMS AXP 7.2 minimum version ? > K >         It's a software, many new classes in JDK, but what's problem withm, > OpenVMS AXP 7.1 ? I don't understand why !  	 Why not ?r  > Even JDK 1.1.x on VMS 7.1 required a ton of patches among them; one that made programs linked on that 7.1 system not run oni$ other 7.1 systems without the patch.  8 A mess that I can understand that Compaq wants to avoid.   Arne   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 21:12:41 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) Subject: SYS$ASCUTC . Message-ID: <8s2l49$pvm$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  	 Good Day:n  B It appears to me that SYS$ASCUTC returns exactly the same thing asF SYS$ASCTIM --- the local time with no addition information to tell you about what utc is.  E What am I doing wrong?  Can anybody get it to do something different?e! Does VMS UTC support do anything?r   Thanks for the information   - Rob      -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com.6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:41:16 -0400b- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>f" Subject: Re: SYSMAN can use DECnet, Message-ID: <39E4B44A.6EF80126@videotron.ca>  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote:
 > $ MC SYSMANf" > SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=BUK/USER=GS >  and simple: > SYSMAN> DO SHO PROC/ALLO  K Thanks, I should have thought about that ! Detached processes don't show upcH anywhere that is easily found. (Still doesn't explain why it was so slow	 though !)m  E Considering that the PIPE command doesn't use MB but a new device forhM inter-process communication, (MP devices), can I conclude that MP devices are<N more efficient at transfering output from DCL commands to another process than MB devices ?  K I am curious as to what drove those wonderful VMS engineers to create a new J device for the PIPE command ? And if this device is better at passing dataH between two processes, shouldn't SMISERVER also make use of MP devices ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:15:37 -0000o- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)X+ Subject: SYSMAN doesn't respect UAF Proxiese/ Message-ID: <su9ij9bklfg677@news.supernews.com>d  	 Hi folks,h  F I'm attempting to write a command procedure that invokes SYSMAN, sets F environment to the local node + another node, where the nodes are not ' clustered, and do not share a UAF file.-  
 When I issue -   SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=(n1,n2)  L I get a "Password:" prompt - even if I've got a proxy for my account on the G other node.  I'd really like to avoid putting password in this command 1" procedure to reply to this prompt.  - Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.@   ws   -- w3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>c   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:00:51 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)/ Subject: Re: SYSMAN doesn't respect UAF Proxiesp+ Message-ID: <X5cqZ46lL5WX@eisner.decus.org>n  / In article <su9ij9bklfg677@news.supernews.com>,A/ wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes:e > Hi folks,a > H > I'm attempting to write a command procedure that invokes SYSMAN, sets H > environment to the local node + another node, where the nodes are not ) > clustered, and do not share a UAF file.  >  > When I issue t >  > SYSMAN> SET ENV/NODE=(n1,n2) > N > I get a "Password:" prompt - even if I've got a proxy for my account on the I > other node.  I'd really like to avoid putting password in this command e$ > procedure to reply to this prompt. > / > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.i >   N Use the TELL.COM procedure that is widely available.  IIRC: There is a copy on the freeware CD-ROM.   -Johnn wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:36:04 GMTa1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>w$ Subject: Re: TCP/IP 5.0A ECO Appears2 Message-ID: <39E4D0C2.73146D27@clarityconnect.com>  H Ok here is the situation with this on VAX.  The TCPIP kit developer usedD a pre-release PCSI patch kit and it was expected that this patch kitF would have been released by the time that the TCPIP kit was released. G The TCPIP kit is coded such that it would have 'seen' that the released F PCSI patch kit was installed.  Unfortunately the PCSI kit has not beenA released as expected.  This situation is being worked on.  If yousF *ABSOLUTELY* need the TCPIP V5.0A ECO 1 kit on VAX and cannot wait for< the PCSI kit to be released then please call your local CSC.   Tim Llewellyn wrote: > H > OK, I downloaded the ECO and am trying to install it. Currently on theB > phone to support to try and figure out which ECO I need to applyJ > to fix the following problem when attempting to install the latest  ECO. > A > ***************************************************************/7 > PCSI must be upgraded before installing this ECO kit.a > G > DEC AXPVMS TCPIP_ECO V5.0-111 patch for ECO 1 will not install beforeaJ > first upgrading PCSI.  Please contact your local Customer Support Center > for this upgrade.iB > **************************************************************** > R > Anyone else been here before me? CSC says there have been other calls about this+ > but havn't got back to me with a fix yet.o >  > This is on VMS 7.1 btw.  > 	 > Regardsa >  > --8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukh > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofO > MedAS or the BBC.n   -- oD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:03:56 +1000D/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>o8 Subject: Re: Trade-offs regarding Installed Known Images2 Message-ID: <1r5F5.25746$O7.408702@ozemail.com.au>  = Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk> wrote in message.( news:39E44551.6D90B450@CCAgroup.co.uk... > Lorin Ricker wrote:eJ > > It seems to me that it'd be beneficial to go ahead and INSTALL each ofB > > the .EXE's as /OPEN /SHARE /HEADER_RES, so here's a multi-partB > > question (Hoff, I'd really like your insider's 2-cents worth): > > G > > 1.  What are the real tradeoffs here?  Reduced open-file count (pernI > > multiple users) and  CHANNELCNT, obviously, vs. global pages/sections G > > (I can surely SYSGEN some more, since this is not a physical memory 0 > > challenged system)?  What else, if anything? > >tF > > Indeed, these are mostly "just" system message and transfer-vectorI > > files, but having a copy open/attached for each and every applicationq > > user seems extravagant, eh?  > >rJ > > Seems like we'd enjoy (somewhat) faster application startup as well asI > > all the good things about a known/shared image (single shared copy in H > > memory), but other than devoting more global pages/sections to this, > > what downside? > > G > > 2.  Any advantage to including RIGHTSLIST.DAT as an INSTALLed file?P >iI > No, I don't think so. The best you can do there, afaik, is set some rms- > global buffers.- >  > > I > > 3.  If the advantages come down in favor of installing the files fromjJ > > this list, why doesn't VMS install 'em by default?  I know, this would@ > > vary from application to application, but should VMS be moreF > > aggressive in this area, esp. with large memory systems being more  > > common now than in the past? > >tH > > I'd appreciate some pertinent experiences and viewpoints on this oneJ > > before I go off and write an "install 'em all" com-file.  Many thanks! > D > It would be nice to see a management tool to list all the multiplyI > opened uninstalled files (which ought to be installed), and perhaps alloH > the singly opened installed files (which maybe ought not), and prepare' > something for inclusion at boot time. - > Perhaps to be included as part of autogen ?tF > I think the criteria for writing VMSIMAGES.DAT are static at presentC > (from sys$manager:vms$images_master.dat), but autogen seems to beiI > written to handle a search list of master files in agen$images: perhaps > > that would be a hook for some more dynamic image management. > G > Downsides: if you're not using the installed file, you'll pay a smalleI > price. If you use global buffers, you'll have to be sure there's enoughe@ > available on every node which will open the file, or write theD > application to field rms$_crmp errors. If you replace an installedG > image, there seems to be a small window for users to fall through thes8 > cracks: we experience this with decforms applications,@ > which tend to crash immediately if started as we replace them. >n > Chrisr1 One way to do this is to turn on image accounting 4 for a day to get a profile of frequently used images $SET ACC /ENABLE=(IMAGE)* then install the most frequently used ones+ you need to check that you don't exceed thee( sysgen parameters gblpages & gblsections- Once images are installed you can check usage 1 using $install  list /full which shows the numberi- of times the image has been activated and thet" current & maximum number of users. Phil   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 20:24:06 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)0 Subject: Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12+ Message-ID: <sRF9tdaI$JcC@eisner.decus.org>t  I In article <39E35AA0.287711D9@fsi.net>, SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:r > Gaitan D'Antoni wrote: >>  	 >> >. The N >> >. OSU server automagically reads the user's home directory from the SYSUAF >> file.0 >> >. How can I get Apache to do the same thing? >> aN >> The current releases of Apache (V1.3.12 and CSWS V1) from Compaq do not useN >> the SYSUAF file for authentication or to get information about the user. We- >> are considering this for our next release.g > > > By all means! Please do so at the highest possible priority! >  > David J. Dachterac  : Is that why I can't seem to get the userdir stuff working?  F As for authentication, so long as using the UAF is an _option_ I don'tC mind.  I wouldn't mind using the UAF stuff for internal or intranet D stuff, but I'm not exposing it to the outside world.  IIRC the stuffC sent from a pop-up login box is not encrypted, which means you'd be > broadcasting your UAF entries across the wire in clear text.     ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 18:19:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?6 Message-ID: <8s2b06$nao$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <9EPD5.597$iY1.12813@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> writes: H :Are any commercial databases available for VMS hobbyist (at no charge)?  A   RMS, of course.  Or were you looking for a relational database?r  D   There have been discussions of porting over various other database:   packages, both here in the newsgroups and within Compaq.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:14:48 GMTa From: jbecker@ui.urban.org Subject: VMS in Network World ) Message-ID: <8s2hnh$s6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  @ Well dang, VMS is not only mentioned in Network World, it's in a: positive article, which even claims that VMS is _popular_:3   http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/1010newvms.htmlN  @ I don't recall whether non-subscribers will be able to view this? article, so I'll include a few key quotes to give you the gist.c  @ Title and subtitle: "Compaq ratchets up OpenVMS with Version 7.3: Release calms fears that former Digital platform is dead."  D "The release of the operating system also lays to rest any lingering@ speculation about Compaq's long-term commitment to the platform, analysts said."=  D "The move "puts to rest the 'VMS is dead' rumors and misconceptions"F that have surrounded the operating system for the past few years, said Terry Shannon..."=  C "OpenVMS is a popular mid- to high-end operating system that Compaq F acquired from Digital. It powers some of Compaq's highest-end servers,@ including the company's new 32-processor Wildfire Alpha server."   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)M3 DECUS ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)@    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:50:23 GMTf4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: VMS in Network Worldd; Message-ID: <jo4F5.47079$tn.861783@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>.  K <jbecker@ui.urban.org> wrote in message news:8s2hnh$s6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com...dB > Well dang, VMS is not only mentioned in Network World, it's in a< > positive article, which even claims that VMS is _popular_:5 >   http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/1010newvms.html  >oB > I don't recall whether non-subscribers will be able to view thisA > article, so I'll include a few key quotes to give you the gist.  > B > Title and subtitle: "Compaq ratchets up OpenVMS with Version 7.3< > Release calms fears that former Digital platform is dead." >0F > "The release of the operating system also lays to rest any lingeringB > speculation about Compaq's long-term commitment to the platform, > analysts said."y > F > "The move "puts to rest the 'VMS is dead' rumors and misconceptions"H > that have surrounded the operating system for the past few years, said > Terry Shannon..."o >iE > "OpenVMS is a popular mid- to high-end operating system that CompaqdH > acquired from Digital. It powers some of Compaq's highest-end servers,B > including the company's new 32-processor Wildfire Alpha server." >i  L Nice of IDG to recycle Jaikumar's article into another one of their pubs. MyL quote coulda been more accurate; I said that OpenVMS will be around for manyH years to come, not "several" years to come. Of course, if one interprets8 "several" as "more than 20," then the quote is accurate.  J Whatever, Jaikumar did a good job. He is one of the few folks in the trade> press who has given reasonably consistent coverage to OpenVMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:59:32 +0930C$ From: "sseng" <sseng@ozemail.com.au>! Subject: Re: VMS in Network Worldo2 Message-ID: <_daF5.25873$O7.413938@ozemail.com.au>  L I noticed at the bottom of that article there is a survey asking for readers	 opinions.-I Maybe a few more "More articles on this topic" responses  from our fellowh VMSi fans wouldn't hurt.o    = Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in message-5 news:jo4F5.47079$tn.861783@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...C >D) > <jbecker@ui.urban.org> wrote in message,# news:8s2hnh$s6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com...rD > > Well dang, VMS is not only mentioned in Network World, it's in a> > > positive article, which even claims that VMS is _popular_:7 > >   http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/1010newvms.htmln > >aD > > I don't recall whether non-subscribers will be able to view thisC > > article, so I'll include a few key quotes to give you the gist.T > >pD > > Title and subtitle: "Compaq ratchets up OpenVMS with Version 7.3> > > Release calms fears that former Digital platform is dead." > >oH > > "The release of the operating system also lays to rest any lingeringD > > speculation about Compaq's long-term commitment to the platform, > > analysts said."- > >-H > > "The move "puts to rest the 'VMS is dead' rumors and misconceptions"J > > that have surrounded the operating system for the past few years, said > > Terry Shannon..."  > > G > > "OpenVMS is a popular mid- to high-end operating system that Compaq J > > acquired from Digital. It powers some of Compaq's highest-end servers,D > > including the company's new 32-processor Wildfire Alpha server." > >P >1K > Nice of IDG to recycle Jaikumar's article into another one of their pubs." MyI > quote coulda been more accurate; I said that OpenVMS will be around for  manyJ > years to come, not "several" years to come. Of course, if one interprets: > "several" as "more than 20," then the quote is accurate. >pL > Whatever, Jaikumar did a good job. He is one of the few folks in the trade@ > press who has given reasonably consistent coverage to OpenVMS. >n >    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 19:28:00 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?6 Message-ID: <8s2f00$o2p$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  r In article <_LRE5.46009$tn.851477@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:G :> Not sure who makes them but the 264DP Motherboard has been mentionednG :> recently as being capable of running OpenVMS if you've got supportedaK :> boards in it.  OTOH, I think a DS10 would probably end up being cheaper.gK :> Does anyone know what a 264DP motherboard and CPU would run (or does it   :> require both CPU's).o  M   The API DP264 and the U2000 boards are not supported platforms for OpenVMS. L   Options only for the educational and hobbyist licensees, in other words...  M   Various folks have reportedly successfully bootstrapped OpenVMS on the API  M   DP264 motherboard, assuming an appropriate accompaniment of associated I/O nN   adjuncts.  The API U2000 motherboard will also apparently boot OpenVMS, but M   it reportedly must be configured as a dual-processor in order to bootstrap.Y  N   I have few details on these platforms.  Please check with the folks over at >   the www.Alpha-Processor.com area for hardware-level details.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 21:00:50 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?+ Message-ID: <o9zUTUTtWC6K@eisner.decus.org>n  i In article <39E38870.5BE057B4@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:  > dan wrote:L >> So, whatever happened to newer Alpha chips? I know there was once a 1Ghz, >> and I heardI >> "talk" of there being a 2GHz, but haven't seen anything on the market.  > + > No system has shipped with a 1 GHz Alpha.  > A > I am sure they are way beyond 1 GHz in the lab, but that is notsC > particular relevant. What is shipping in systems are interesting.h >  eL >> Again, I know the Alpha designers now work for AMD, so that could account >> for a lot. :) >  > ???? > I > AFAIK, then Alpha development are continuing, so somebody must be doinge > the work ! >  > Arne  J See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13890.html for more Alpha info.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:25:46 +0200f( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> Subject: where to get GCC 2.8.1-& Message-ID: <39E4B0AA.ADB07DE1@cli.de>  @ Can anybody tell me where to download the latest GCC-images for C VMS/VAX (is it 2.8.1 ?). I only found 2.7.1 on my altavista-search.s   thanks.n   -- e( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de'C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 00:32:43 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> # Subject: Re: where to get GCC 2.8.1 ) Message-ID: <39E4EA8B.4973A815@gtech.com>v   Bernd Eckstein wrote:uA > Can anybody tell me where to download the latest GCC-images fordE > VMS/VAX (is it 2.8.1 ?). I only found 2.7.1 on my altavista-search.g   Try:    ftp://vms.gnu.org/progis_mirror/   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 20:46:50 -0500h) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>t# Subject: Re: where to get GCC 2.8.1-/ Message-ID: <sua5rht7ctc738@corp.supernews.com>M  * "Bernd Eckstein" <B.Eckstein@cli.de> wrote,  in message news:39E4B0AA.ADB07DE1@cli.de...2 > Can anybody tell me where to download the latest6 > GCC-images for VMS/VAX (is it 2.8.1 ?). I only found > 2.7.1 on my altavista-search.h >t  + A link in the OpenVMS FAQ will take you to:   $ ftp://vms.gnu.org/progis_mirror/gcc/   And then proceed to:   ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/t  J To get some possible missing pieces.  There are header files for using theJ socket routines and the LIBERTY porting library.  It is probably a bit outL of date from the LINUX versions, but I have not seen anyone admit to a later	 revision.   
 Extra Credit:IC Fix up the main GCC image so that it works using the .CLD file.  It I currently only works using a foreign command and the source provided doesl2 not seem to match the executable or the .CLD file.  J The reason that I am no longer working with GCC is that DEC C is available$ free with the OpenVMS hobby program.   -John* wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:12:10 +0200E( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de># Subject: Re: where to get GCC 2.8.1b& Message-ID: <39E51DFA.D24BBA65@cli.de>   Bernd Eckstein schrieb:  > A > Can anybody tell me where to download the latest GCC-images for*E > VMS/VAX (is it 2.8.1 ?). I only found 2.7.1 on my altavista-search.? >    ok, got it, thanks for helping.b   -- s( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89C   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:52:18 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??t6 Message-ID: <8s29ci$n4u$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  w In article <3.0.5.32.20001005063732.009f3e10@discovery.fuentez.com>, Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> writes:aH :Decnet being retired/scrapped??? How are also those nice clustering and@ :threading features that depend on DECNET going to be supported?  "   Compaq has *NOT* retired DECnet.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 17:50:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...6 Message-ID: <8s299i$n4u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <39DC214F.E18525FF@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:  :Richard Jordan wrote: :> o :../..F :> Now the bad news.  The response I got was that the Digital networksJ :> site has been 'retired' and there are no plans to being it back online.J :> This site had the bulk of archived firmware, documentation, and generalH :> information about DEC network products (Cabletron/Enterasys/DNPG onlyF :> seem to have the more recent information, and have not responded to4 :> email asking about older products and downloads). :../..  G   The Digital Networks Product Group (hardware) was spun off some years ?   ago, and is now an independent company.  http://www.dnpg.com/y  H :As I wrote here a few days ago, COMPAQ's will is to kill-and-bury (sp?)F :DECnet stuff. ALL DECnet stuff. I am currently teaching a DECnet-PlusH :course in Paris. GKN denied the request from the Customer, and the onlyC :resource I found to prepare my training has been the DECnet set of G :OpenVMS 7.1 documentation (in English, of course :-), still available  8 :at http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/index.html#decnet  J   DECnet Phase IV and DECnet-Plus are seeing support and updates as neededI   here in OpenVMS Engineering -- and not at the Digital Network Products eJ   Group.  New work and new development efforts are clearly targeting what J   the customers (you) are telling us you want to purchase -- the IPv4 and -   IPv6 network stack and IP-related products.t  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:54:00 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...0 Message-ID: <009F1723.EF3E428A@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <8s299i$n4u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:g > ^ >In article <39DC214F.E18525FF@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes: >:Richard Jordan wrote:l >:>  >:../.. G >:> Now the bad news.  The response I got was that the Digital networkstK >:> site has been 'retired' and there are no plans to being it back online.tK >:> This site had the bulk of archived firmware, documentation, and generalmI >:> information about DEC network products (Cabletron/Enterasys/DNPG onlycG >:> seem to have the more recent information, and have not responded to 5 >:> email asking about older products and downloads).r >:../..  >dH >  The Digital Networks Product Group (hardware) was spun off some years@ >  ago, and is now an independent company.  http://www.dnpg.com/  1 Investment protection discontinued so to speak!  n  I I too have been looking for firmware and documentation that *was* on thistI site and is now lost somewhere in the cyber absolute elsewhere.  At leasteI get the contents of this site place where it can be retrieved as historicrH information or place the contents on a CD.  Hell, I'll pay for it too as) long as it's priced like the Freeware CD.(   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMc            sO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.s   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 19:56:27 GMTc+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) 0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...2 Message-ID: <LB3F5.233$cI6.39972@news.goodnet.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  + ; +In article <39DC214F.E18525FF@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi  6                    <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes: +:Richard Jordan wrote:l +:>  +:../..yG +:> Now the bad news.  The response I got was that the Digital networks.K +:> site has been 'retired' and there are no plans to being it back online.sK +:> This site had the bulk of archived firmware, documentation, and generalII +:> information about DEC network products (Cabletron/Enterasys/DNPG onlymG +:> seem to have the more recent information, and have not responded top5 +:> email asking about older products and downloads).a +:../..y + H +  The Digital Networks Product Group (hardware) was spun off some years@ +  ago, and is now an independent company.  http://www.dnpg.com/ +n   Hoff,fC      the problem is that DNPG only seems to have info on "current" 2: products, or at best fairly recent ones.  A great deal of  'retired' or archive info was.K on the digital networks site but apparenntly was offlined without making it F available anywhere else.  F.ex try to locate the "Digital" made AccessB Point firmware for a Roamabout.  You can get current firmware fromF Cabletron/Enterasys, but it won't work with the Digital pre IEEE802.11? cards, only the current ones.  They (and DNPG) have _still_ notpB responded to email queries about that older firmware (up to V2.4).  C      There were also numerous links on the Compaq site pointing to -G www.networks.digital.com.  They were not corrected or eliminated beforeeE 'turning off' that site, leaving broken links scattered all over the $C place.  And yes, i found that out because I needed some information C for customer support.  That is just plain sloppy.  And coming as itpF did on the tail of so many other website disasters since the takeover,F it absolutely required public comment and complaint (getting ready to E send a second set of emails to the powers that be since the first sete has not been acknowledged).   H     I do appreciate your taking time to respond.  But I believe this is J an act of very poor customer support on Compaq's part.  This isn't peecee-F land where stuff gets upgraded or pitched every two years and only theG hackers and schools need info on older equipment; these customers spentpE a _lot_ of money on that equipment and they are stretching it out; itsE can't cost Compaq that much to leave a site online, or make sure the eC data in it remains available elsewhere, when they have to maintain CF a web/net presence anyway; a small incremental cost.  But a big impact/ on the customers left behind when they dump it.a   Rich Jordant rjordan@mcs.net/J (who was not the person commenting on DECnet being axed, for the record :)@ (and who visits DNPG.COM just to see my favorite company logo :)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:01:39 +0200"( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...& Message-ID: <39E4C723.B9B3AFCA@cli.de>  ( "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" schrieb: > K > I too have been looking for firmware and documentation that *was* on this K > site and is now lost somewhere in the cyber absolute elsewhere.  At least:K > get the contents of this site place where it can be retrieved as historiclJ > information or place the contents on a CD.  Hell, I'll pay for it too as+ > long as it's priced like the Freeware CD.  > : Send all to me, I'll put it on a Freespace-Webprovider ;-)A IMHO the best and easiest way to make this stuff available to the  public.e   --( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.deoC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------   Date: 11 Oct 2000 21:03:46 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...6 Message-ID: <8s2kji$p2a$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <009F1723.EF3E428A@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   [Hoff wrote]I :>  The Digital Networks Product Group (hardware) was spun off some yearssA :>  ago, and is now an independent company.  http://www.dnpg.com/a .. :oJ :I too have been looking for firmware and documentation that *was* on thisA :site and is now lost somewhere in the cyber absolute elsewhere. h  +   What, specifically, are you looking for? h  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 22:04:44 GMTo= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)o0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...0 Message-ID: <009F1736.32C99A28@SendSpamHere.ORG>  k In article <8s2kji$p2a$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:< >rq >In article <009F1723.EF3E428A@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:. >a
 >[Hoff wrote] J >:>  The Digital Networks Product Group (hardware) was spun off some yearsB >:>  ago, and is now an independent company.  http://www.dnpg.com/ >... >:K >:I too have been looking for firmware and documentation that *was* on thissB >:site and is now lost somewhere in the cyber absolute elsewhere.  >o, >  What, specifically, are you looking for?  >yO > --------------------------- pure personal opinion --------------------------- M >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comi >e  I All of the DEChub 90 modules for starts and their documentation.  I want nG an older version of the DECagent firmware which provided features whichrG the updated firmware annihilated.  I got the latest 3.0.4 firmware frome) the DNPG web site but it too is crippled.v  G How about the V11.n images for the DECbrouter?  How about complete man-hG uals.  The User Guide .PS and .PDF files on the DNPG site are truncateds after chapter 3.     Is this enough for starts?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr            hO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------    Date: 11 Oct 2000 19:17:00 -0500+ From: durkin@eisner.decus.org (Mike Durkin)c0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...+ Message-ID: <y$ACxU9xLoBx@eisner.decus.org>t  E The idea of a CDrom containing the archived products is a great move,sF but one which I fear will never see a jewel case or protective sleeve.# Too much hassle and not enough ROI.    Mike   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:53:13 +0800d4 From: Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...* Message-ID: <39E51989.8DB565C@bigpond.com>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > 
 	[...snip...]h > J > All of the DEChub 90 modules for starts and their documentation.  I wantI > an older version of the DECagent firmware which provided features whichrI > the updated firmware annihilated.  I got the latest 3.0.4 firmware froma+ > the DNPG web site but it too is crippled.l > I > How about the V11.n images for the DECbrouter?  How about complete man-wI > uals.  The User Guide .PS and .PDF files on the DNPG site are truncated  > after chapter 3.  C I have a copy of the DECbrouter V11.1(6) software on 6 diskettes...aF along with a CD entitled "DECbrouter 90 System Software Documentation"7 (still in its wrapper).  The documentation is V10.2(5).6 Can I be of some assistance? >  > Is this enough for starts? >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt > Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.f     -- s Regards, Dave.mI -------------------------------------------------------------------------aI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comoI DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmiI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennona   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:23:15 -0400 0 From: "Daniel T. Burrows" <dburrows@netpath.net>0 Subject: Re: www.networks.digital.com retired...1 Message-ID: <034201c0340c$aa255880$a652e780@L166>5   >tD >I have a copy of the DECbrouter V11.1(6) software on 6 diskettes...G >along with a CD entitled "DECbrouter 90 System Software Documentation" 8 >(still in its wrapper).  The documentation is V10.2(5).    F I would be interested in a copy if possible as well.  I have picked upH several and need to test them.  I also plan to use at least one of them,   Danl   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.570 ************************