1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 13 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 572       Contents: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.  RE: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.  Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe. = Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable) ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 " RE: Copying Directories via DecNet# Re: DECbrouter 90 Software V11.1(6) # Re: DECbrouter 90 Software V11.1(6) # Re: DECnet Support Statement, Plans  DECthreads mutex unblock?  Re: DECthreads mutex unblock?  for trade sale or what ever 4 RE: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS 6 Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?# Jumper settings for RZ23 disk drive   Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users' need manual for terminal server manager + Re: need manual for terminal server manager + Re: need manual for terminal server manager  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products + Re: Reading and writing files via $QIO in C + Re: Reading and writing files via $QIO in C - Re: RSH Problem - Can someone try this for me " Re: Second ethernet for uVAX3180 ?" Re: Second ethernet for uVAX3180 ?7 Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer? & SMG, BASIC, ckermit, and Printer ports* Re: SMG, BASIC, ckermit, and Printer ports* Re: SMG, BASIC, ckermit, and Printer portsH Re: SOCKETSHR stuff - was Re: Announcement: TCGMSG for OpenVMS/ALPHA; 64 Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC0 The Net Detective. Learn how to snoop on Anyone! UCX 5.0 and SMTP relay Re: UCX 5.0 and SMTP relay' Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12  Re: VAX8530  Re: VMS and UNIX Re: VMS and UNIX VMS Hobbyist ALPHA systems $679  Re: VMS in Network World VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpc Re: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpc Re: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpc VMS Web Primer Re: VMS Web Primer( Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch( Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patchC Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? # Which symbiont handles which queue?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:17:13 GMT- From: brian-dot-mcneil@easynet-dot.-be (BMcN) & Subject: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.+ Message-ID: <8FCBEFBFFBMcN@212.100.160.123>   = Hey! arne.vajhoej@gtech.com (Arne Vajhj) you went and wrote  E <39E5D340.5B1D2B77@gtech.com> and forced me to type some nonsense in   response  E >Some dealers in user/new Digital/Compaq equipment do ship to Europe. % >F.ex. Island Co. (www.islandco.com).  > I >There are also some dealers in the UK, but generally systems seems to be  >more & >realistic priced (cheaper) in the US. >  >Arne  >   L Yes, I'd noted that Europe gets the usual rip-off pricing for DEC kit, same  as everything else :)   I Just gave the site a quick look, seems I could put together quite a nice  L system for just a little over $2000. Shame that Belgium then thumps 21% tax / on top. Bah! Just have to smash the piggy bank.    --  + Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be   - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')  - F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:21:29 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>& Subject: RE: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.- Message-ID: <0033000006375607000002L072*@MHS>    =0A-----Original Message----- / From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET ) Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 11:53 AM 6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET& Subject: RE: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.    . Sorry! Reply To header was missing (still is).  E If you can help with this request, then please copy me by mail at the  following address:  " brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be   --- The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')    - F.Z.  9        Hehehe.  'Is that a REAL Alpha, or a SEARS Alpha?'           WWWebb=   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:36:49 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>& Subject: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.' Message-ID: <39E63D01.A4536CCC@home.nl>    BMcN wrote:  > J > Now being in the position of no longer having a 4100 AlphaServer to playM > with at work, I'm looking to pick up a reasonable spec Alpha 2nd hand (I'll ( > settle for something less powerful :). > M > Can anyone point me in the direction of websites or companies that might be E > able to help me out there? Ideally in Belgium, or within reasonable  > travelling/shipping distance.   < If Holland is ok too, look at the "classic" url on this page http://www.request.nl/  E There are also other companies in Holland that sell refurbished Alpha 3 systems, like Kender Thyssen, Van den Berg & Peters  (http://www.benp.nl/) and more.      > G > I keep looking on Ebay to see what is on offer, and whenever I find a H > machine I'd like - they only ship within the U.S. (Not to mention that6 > they've stripped the memory & disks before selling). >  > --/ > The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')  >  > - F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:47:53 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)( Message-ID: <8s5bib$nf8$1@pyrite.mv.net>  > Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com> wrote in messageD news:Pine.LNX.4.05.10010110216330.11722-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com...   ...   E > Also:  I've seen references to "VAX" byte order, which is (given my % > example above) something like BADC.  > 3 > DO VAXen natively store 4-byte numerics this way?   J IIRC, this particular ordering variation is one inherited from some 32-bitB quantities in certain PDP-11 software (e.g., file sizes) that usedH little-endian within 16-bit words but placed the two words in big-endian5 order.  AFAIK it never got enshrined in any hardware.    - bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:02:28 -0500 - From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.01 Message-ID: <39E618D4.4A3F01DB@email.sps.mot.com>    Sue Skonetski wrote: > 8 > Folks you may find the information in this URL useful. > M > http://www5.compaq.com/products/servers/management/cim-xe2-description.html  >  > This is new today. >  > Warm Regards,  >  > Sue     B Sorry, Sue. As it turns out, this info is not very useful. BesidesH having to view the source (as David Dachteran noted, even using NetscapeE v4.7 under NT4) to get the info, I would really like to do monitoring 9 using VMS, which hardly ever hangs or crashes. No thanks.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:02:48 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0C Message-ID: <OFDF3D69DF.EFE2AFCB-ON88256976.007313CC@HEALTHNET.COM>   J Not wanting to single anyone out, but why are people giving Sue grief overE this? I doubt she wrote the web page or chose not to base the tool on G Weeniedoze. Hurl your (deserved) abuse and distain at the pointy haired  ones who don't get it yet.  H Anyone got an address or two for these guys? Who makes policy on the webF pages, for example? (AFAIK Warren just builds 'em.) If anyone wants toD quietly share them with me so I can post them and take the flack, no problem.   Shane      Sue Skonetski wrote: > 8 > Folks you may find the information in this URL useful. >  > K http://www5.compaq.com/products/servers/management/cim-xe2-description.html  >  > This is new today. >  > Warm Regards,  >  > Sue    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:44:41 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0C Message-ID: <OF3263C2DE.C3565CBE-ON88256976.0066EC9B@HEALTHNET.COM>    Opera 3.62 seems to read it OK.    Shane           3 SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> on 10/12/2000 08:51:47 AM   . Please respond to djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   3 Subject:  Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0      Sue Skonetski wrote: > 8 > Folks you may find the information in this URL useful. >  > K http://www5.compaq.com/products/servers/management/cim-xe2-description.html  >  > This is new today. >  > Warm Regards,  >  > Sue   E I get the same results as Tim Llewellyn. However, View -> Page Source B reveals considerably more content than what appear in the "normal" window.   8 Netscape V4.61 on Mandrake Linux V6.5, KDE Desktop V1.1.  % Anyone try this yet on OVMS, NS V3.x?    David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:17:59 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0O Message-ID: <63921BDBA8D89A88.F943633F049B641C.0E53BA9BCA8CD849@lp.airnews.net>    Tim Llewellyn wrote: > J > hmmm, it could be just Netscape 4.7 messing me around, but all I can seeK > on that page is a header then a  link to a "privacy and legal statement".  >  > Tim, still no ball(s).  E If you run this page through http://validator.w3.org/, it finds (if I ) counted correctly) 93 errors on the page.         > Sue Skonetski wrote: > : > > Folks you may find the information in this URL useful. > > O > > http://www5.compaq.com/products/servers/management/cim-xe2-description.html  > >  > > This is new today. > >  > > Warm Regards,  > >  > > Sue    G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:32:06 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0- Message-ID: <39E67426.9500B57A@earthlink.net>    Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > SysAdmin wrote:  >  > > Sue Skonetski wrote: > > > < > > > Folks you may find the information in this URL useful. > > > Q > > > http://www5.compaq.com/products/servers/management/cim-xe2-description.html  > > >  > > > This is new today. > > >  > > > Warm Regards,  > > > 	 > > > Sue  > > I > > I get the same results as Tim Llewellyn. However, View -> Page Source F > > reveals considerably more content than what appear in the "normal" > > window.  > >  > J > Ah, OK, I see now. So, reading source is becoming fashionable again :-).< > You have to debug the HTML before you can read the doc:-). >  > > < > > Netscape V4.61 on Mandrake Linux V6.5, KDE Desktop V1.1. >  > >  > > ) > > Anyone try this yet on OVMS, NS V3.x?  > >  > @ > Trying now...  OK, I have Netscape 3.03 on OVMS Alpha 7.1, andG > get the same results as with Netscape 4.7 on W98, I will refrain from  > including a screen dump. > L > I went against all my browser preferences and started up Internet ExplorerJ > on W98. The page  looks much more like I'd expect it to do there, except > it almost crashed my PC. > F > Do people actually do testing and Q/A work on their web pages beforeH > releasing them or are the live pages being actively "developed" online > I wonder?   G What's most likely is that they just ASS-U-ME that FrontPage knows what C it's doing, or what ever software they used to generate the page. I F don't remember seeing a generator meta tag in there, and I'm not gonna9 risk crashing this machine to find out (W/95 + NS V4.61).    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:36:54 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0- Message-ID: <39E67546.FB0FAA71@earthlink.net>   " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > ! > Opera 3.62 seems to read it OK.   G So, that's two browsers out of how many? (Opera and Internet Exploder).   C I suppose Lynx is useless here, also? (Dunno - don't have it here.)    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 21:51:10 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)+ Subject: RE: Copying Directories via DecNet ) Message-ID: <8s5boe$thk$1@hecate.umd.edu>   O There's another drawback I've seen with doing a backup over Decnet: the saveset O size.  The target node creates a small file for the saveset, then just keeps on N extending it.  The number of headers for the saveset file starts to multiple. M All of a sudden the target system is spending more time fetching headers than 6 writing data!  I actually observed this using MONITOR.  H If there's a large amount of data, break it into chunks with your BACKUPE command, writing several savesets.  I don't know if the target disk's N parameters (or the target process's RMS defaults) can be tweaked ahead of time to compensate for this.  Ideas?    Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:05:33 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) , Subject: Re: DECbrouter 90 Software V11.1(6)0 Message-ID: <009F17F7.189BF3D8@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <3.0.6.32.20001012173911.0079d4f0@mail.bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes: 
 >Hi Folks, > B >I have made on off-site backup copy of the above software (follow@ >the link below).  If anyone would like to make another off-site1 >backup copy, just in case... please let me know. ? >I have limited storage on my web site (10MB) and only have the A >first 4 parts there at the moment.  Maybe if ONE person (perhaps B >VAXman) could make a backup copy, I will remove the bits there at- >present and put the remaining 2 parts there. B >I also have a limit on the amount of data served from my web page/ >so the fewer people that copy it the better...   A Now does anybody have DBMOP11.16, the MOP download image, for the 
 DECbrouter90?      --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:20:19 +0800 4 From: Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com>, Subject: Re: DECbrouter 90 Software V11.1(6)* Message-ID: <39E66353.988F785@bigpond.com>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: > q > In article <3.0.6.32.20001012173911.0079d4f0@mail.bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:  > >Hi Folks, > > D > >I have made on off-site backup copy of the above software (followB > >the link below).  If anyone would like to make another off-site3 > >backup copy, just in case... please let me know. A > >I have limited storage on my web site (10MB) and only have the C > >first 4 parts there at the moment.  Maybe if ONE person (perhaps D > >VAXman) could make a backup copy, I will remove the bits there at/ > >present and put the remaining 2 parts there. D > >I also have a limit on the amount of data served from my web page1 > >so the fewer people that copy it the better...  > C > Now does anybody have DBMOP11.16, the MOP download image, for the  > DECbrouter90?   A If you can manage to TFTP load it, you should be able to setup to 8 do a MOP download to generate a MOP loadable version...? >  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  > Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    -- p Regards, Dave.rI -------------------------------------------------------------------------sI David B Sneddon (dbs)  OpenVMS Systems Programmer   dbsneddon@bigpond.comeI DBS software at ...   http://www.users.bigpond.com/dbsneddon/software.htmsI "Life is what happens to you while you're busy making other plans" Lennon1   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:07:14 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: DECnet Support Statement, Plans6 Message-ID: <8s5252$h8o$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  D   The attached statement is from the DECnet product manager, BarbaraE   Karten.  If you have questions or comments, please contact Barbara ?)   directly at the attached email address.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com     	--s  I  Compaq continues to support DECnet Phase IV, DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS (oneH  both OpenVMS and Tru64) over a traditional DDCMP link, and supports theG  ability to send DECnet (NSP and OSI protocols) over a TCP/IP backbone.sJ  There are NO plans to stop support for the DECnet products.  We provide aH  supported (either as a current product or under a prior version supportD  contract) DECnet Phase IV and DECnet-Plus product for all supportedJ  versions of OpenVMS and Tru64 (DECnet-Plus only).  We will next release aE  Version 7.3 of the DECnet products to accompany OpenVMS Version 7.3.S  CG  For those environments where a single TCP/IP backbone is required (fornK  cost savings, ease of network use/management, or internal network policy), K  we suggest using DECnet over TCP/IP.  This allows the continued use of the >  DECnet applications, together with a TCP/IP network backbone.  WF  Training for DECnet is included in the OpenVMS training, which can beG  found at www.compaq.com/training.  Other training is available; pleasep4  contact me if you need training and cannot find it.  hI  We are working with the internal Compaq networking organization on their E  transition from a DECnet environment to a DECnet over TCP/IP network E  environment.  This is an initiative of the Compaq orgranization that-J  manages the Compaq worldwide network; OSSG (the product group) is workingH  to ensure the DECnet-Plus product and the DECnet over TCP/IP capabilityC  support the networking requirements of the internal Compaq networke  organization.  aG  Please contact me if you have questions or need further information ono  this.  n  Barbara Kartenp  DECnet Product Manageru  Barbara.Karten!!compaq.come
  978-506-5937u        ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 00:02:38 GMT' From: dashw459@aol.comeatspam (Doug W.)e" Subject: DECthreads mutex unblock?: Message-ID: <20001012200238.26978.00004064@ng-cg1.aol.com>  N Examining a C program using DECthreads I discovered a typo.  Instead of typing< pthread_mutex_unlock, my finger slipped on the n and I typedL pthread_mutex_unblock.  Even with the typo, the program compiled, linked andI ran (at least did not lock up).  Examining pthread.h I found the _unblock > function was declared as an extern.  Anyone know what it does?  M I did not have time to wade through all the #if logic, but pthread.h declares M other routines I did not recognize.  Some of the routine names suggest it mayuO be possible to set affinity for a CPU (on the process or thread?).  Which leadsSM me to ask what are the plans for DECthreads?  And most importantly, are thereTO any plans for supporting interprocess mutexs and condition variables under VMS?@  O There does not seem to be much discussion of VMS DECthreads in this newsgroup. TO So I assume not many are currently using DECthreads?  But where will the Q takeeJ VMS DECthreads?  Would it be wise to assume DECthreads has a bright futureN under VMS and begin converting running code to DECthreads.  Or will DECthreadsO remain a predominately UNIX technology that is kind of supported under VMS?    -            ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:08:47 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)r& Subject: Re: DECthreads mutex unblock?* Message-ID: <8s5jqf$3f5$1@lisa.gemair.com>  : In article <20001012200238.26978.00004064@ng-cg1.aol.com>,( Doug W. <dashw459@aol.comeatspam> wrote:O >Examining a C program using DECthreads I discovered a typo.  Instead of typing = >pthread_mutex_unlock, my finger slipped on the n and I typed M >pthread_mutex_unblock.  Even with the typo, the program compiled, linked andoJ >ran (at least did not lock up).  Examining pthread.h I found the _unblock? >function was declared as an extern.  Anyone know what it does?  >oN >I did not have time to wade through all the #if logic, but pthread.h declaresN >other routines I did not recognize.  Some of the routine names suggest it mayP >be possible to set affinity for a CPU (on the process or thread?).  Which leadsN >me to ask what are the plans for DECthreads?  And most importantly, are thereP >any plans for supporting interprocess mutexs and condition variables under VMS? >o  & I can't answer these questions, but...  P >There does not seem to be much discussion of VMS DECthreads in this newsgroup. P >So I assume not many are currently using DECthreads?  But where will the Q takeK >VMS DECthreads?  Would it be wise to assume DECthreads has a bright futureuO >under VMS and begin converting running code to DECthreads.  Or will DECthreads0P >remain a predominately UNIX technology that is kind of supported under VMS?    	 >           D Digital and now Compaq have spent considerable resources making sureE DECthreads works correctly.  The OSU Web Server uses them heavily andv= it's probably still the number one Web Server on VMS, by far.i  G DECthreads has had a thorough shaking-out on OpenVMS and I would expect F it to be support of at a level greater than "kind of".  If you find a . problem, I would expect it would be addressed.   -Jordan Henderson- jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:18:35 -0600c+ From: "Phillip Williams" <phdevax@lobo.net> $ Subject: for trade sale or what ever2 Message-ID: <uTpF5.309$Av3.200078@news.uswest.net>   hellod3 I have the following stuff for sale/trade/give awayw 3 LA75 printersu 1 VAXconsole - no hard drive6 1 RD54 expansion box with cable - good for a 2000 ????6 1 TK50 scsi in the expansion box  - good for 2000 ???? 2 RX33 single drives 1 RX33 dual disk drive set  LN03 font carts and mem carts 2 LJ250 printers' 3 TK50  tape drives - good for parts???iK bo on any thing - or if you pay the shipping its yours - if you live in thes NM$ Colo, Arz area can arrange delivery.  $ I am looking for the following items. cab kit for a TSV05 controller for a BA213 box? Decsystem 5500 - with the right options I will pay up to 700.00g LK201 keyboards. tksF phillip6  K VMS  home users unite!!! TODAY THE HOME!!!  TOMORROW THE BUSINESS WORLD!!!!eA IF VMS IS GOOD FOR THE HOUSE, JUST IMAGE WHAT VMS CAN DO FOR YOUR  BUSINESS!!!!   www.compaq.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:57:18 -0700n/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com> = Subject: RE: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?eM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDF8E@seantexch.unitedad.com>w   look ma no files created !!!     $!GET_FILE_CNT.COM	 $ CNT = 0  $ TOP:! $ AFILENAME = F$SEARCH("''P1'",2) ' $ IF AFILENAME.EQS."" THEN GOTO NO_MOREu $ CNT= CNT+1
 $ GOTO TOP
 $ NO_MORE:= $ WRITE SYS$OUTPUT "NUMBER OF FILES MATCHING ''P1'  = ''CNT'"i     Note . $ @GET_FILE_CNT "SOMEDIR:*.*;* and  $ @GET_FILE_CNT "SOMEDIR:*.*;    may retrieve different results   Terry Marosites.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 18:07:02 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson).0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS* Message-ID: <8s5cm6$sgn$1@lisa.gemair.com>  I In article <39e5e3d9$1@news.si.com>, Brian Tillman <tillman_brian> wrote:s1 >>most people who are stuck on VAX probably won't  >>be upgrading to Alpha anyway >gI >The problem is that it costs so much for an FAA recertification on a newi0 >hardware platform that it's not cost effective. >o  A Well, that does sound like a good reason, but don't you also have C to recertify the software and the OS releases?  If not, I think thee FAA is _really_ short sighted.  K >>In any case, can you point to an architecture that has been superceded by G >>a newer architecture that continues to get as many OS enhancements astK >>OpenVMS/VAX?  I think Compaq is to be commended in the level of continued-% >>support that VAX customers receive.h >1J >That's not the point.  The point is that, supposedly, OpenVMS is OpenVMS.  B Really?  Then why are the products actually named OpenVMS/VAX and B OpenVMS/Alpha?  There's going to be pretty significant differences0 just because of 64 bit support, if nothing else.  M >Every care to keep the code bases in synch should be taken, but they're not,eM >and I suspect it's because of lack of discipline or because it's a concerted K >effort to kill OpenVMS VAX, because a LOT of the enhancements have nothinge >to do with 64-bitness.   H Fielding enhancements has a LOT more to do with it than just keeping theH source bases in sync.  I suspect that it's a cost issue.  It costs a lotF to test on different platforms, especially when you have to support so9 many different machine architectures and buses with VAX. -  J I believe that most VAX users don't even upgrade their OS's, and that mostG of those who do upgrade want bug fixes more than enhancements.  I wouldaI wager that if you checked the ECO's for the last few versions of VMS that-G a many or most of them are in the areas of the enhancements.  Now, someeG other customer might claim that putting enhancements _into_ OpenVMS/VAXnK was a plan to kill it off as those customers, by and large, crave stability G and don't want to have to deal with potential problems.  OpenVMS/Alpha  E environments are more dynamic, people are more likely to be upgradingwE vendor software, developing themselves, those customers are used to a I bit of instability and are willing to accept it for the sake of progress. 8 Most OpenVMS/VAX customers want "stay put" not progress.   >-- B >Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comB >Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com> >3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent= >Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@" 9 >       This opinion doesn't represent that of my company. >  >    -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.comN   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:07:11 -0500 % From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net>h0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS' Message-ID: <39E6603F.AEEE2E64@isd.net>t   Richard Jordan wrote:e > G > > I'm curious.  Why _are_ you stuck on VAX?  Other's mentioned vendorI' > > supplied code that won't be ported.m > M > Quite a few of our customers are still running (small commercial/financial)aM > shops on MicroVAX 3100 systems.  Our code is ported and runs fine on Alpha,nI > but they are small shops, a few to maybe 20 terminals running code thatoI > is reasonably efficient.  So far there is not a hard reason for them to K > move (support costs will eventually change that), plus due to the overalltG > reduction in pricing of peecees, they are a _lot_ more cost conscious H > about computer hardware than they used to be.  Where they spent 10-15KJ > on that VAX setup 4-10 years ago, the current Alpha choices, even thoughI > considerably less in absolute terms, still seem overpriced to them wheno2 > compared to that glitzy 1GHz peecee at Best Buy. > H > Granted that some of the V7.3 features wouldn't have much room to workF > their magic on a 3100 (32MB RAM only caches so much), it would stillG > be nice to have those improvements to show the customer that they are K > being supported and enhanced, and that those _not_insignificant_ softwarehE > support payments that they pay to the 'Q' to be able to upgrade are ) > actually providing measurable benefits.  > H > Of course if the support cost for OpenVMS on VAX were to be reduced inH > some proportion to the amount of work being put into enhancing OpenVMSG > VAX (not the hardware support, mind you, which will contiue to rise),m$ > then it would be less of an issue. > 
 > Rich JordanM > rjordan@mcs.nets  E Gee, maybe you should point out that 20 PCs from Best Buy cost $10K -t* $20K. How good does that Alpha look now ;) -- t Keith Brown. kbrown780@isd.nete   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 22:51:56 -0500 (CDT)v From: sms@antinode.org? Subject: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?-) Message-ID: <00101222515645@antinode.org>   I    My AlpSta 200 4/233 ("ALP", VMS V7.2) has been up for a couple weeks. vF I just booted my VAXstation 3138 ("WUSS", VMS V7.2) into the cluster. @ It should be serving its disks, but the Alpha does not see them. (Slightly edited):   WUSS $ sh dev dl  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP ALP$DKA0:               Mounted              0  VMS072ALP      1171359     2   2P ALP$DKA200:             Mounted              0  ALP_SCSI_2     2971935     1   2P WUSS$DKA200:            Mounted              1  VMS062WUSS     1033626   343   1P WUSS$DKA300:            Mounted              1  WUSS_SCSI_3    2886543    15   1   WUSS $ sh dev /fu WUSS$DKA200:  J Disk WUSS$DKA200:, device type SEAGATE ST11200N, is online, mounted, file-P     oriented device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging     is enabled.M [...]m  6    Apparently served, but the Alpha does not admit it.   ALP $ sh dev d  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntP ALP$DKA0:               Mounted              0  VMS072ALP      1171359   532   2P ALP$DKA200:             Mounted              0  ALP_SCSI_2     2971935     1   2    F    While I'm at it, the tapes don't work either way.  On both systems,% TMSCP_LOAD and TMSCP_SERVE_ALL are 1.n   WUSS $ sh dev mk  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt. WUSS$MKA100:            Online               0   WUSS $ sh dev /fu mk  O Magtape WUSS$MKA100:, device type TK50, is online, file-oriented device, servedvJ     to cluster via TMSCP Server, error logging is enabled, device supports
     fastskip.   6    Apparently served, but the Alpha does not admit it.   ALP $ sh dev mki  P Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntP  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt. ALP$MKA100:             Online               0   ALP $ sh dev /fu mkSM Magtape ALP$MKA100:, device type EXABYTE EXB-850085BANXR7, is online, record-bK     oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, devicei     supports fastskip. [...]       Apparently not served.s  F    Back when the VAX was at VMS V6.2, I did not have problems with theF disks.  (I can't recall the tape situation.)  Any sage advice would beF welcome.  (The 4GB disk on the VAX may be dying, and I'd like to get aH backup on the 8mm tape rather than the TK50, preferably without swapping2 devices.)  Am I missing something obvious (again)?  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)lC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)eG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)u   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:55:05 -0400l$ From: "Tom - News" <steuver@nku.edu>, Subject: Jumper settings for RZ23 disk drive( Message-ID: <39e61716$1_1@news2.one.net>  J Does anyone have the jumper (SCSI select) settings for an RZ23 disk drive?   Thanks,e     -- Thomas Steuver Manager - Servers & Operations Information Technology Northern Kentucky University steuver@nku.edu    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:10:04 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX usersu, Message-ID: <8s52ac$8lc@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  g In article <hQdHaBz6umHY@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Hb >In article <8s4jp9$spr@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  D >So _why_ are you proposing that I should give up mixed architecture. >clusters in favor of slower VAX performance ?  H Because the VAX is going the way of the PDP-11.  If you'd be happy with K Mentec as your OS/hardware support, then you've got nothing to worry about.-J But if you think Compaq is going to keep VMS/VAX up to date forever, well,G it just doesn't seem likely.  Draw a graph showing the fraction of new EK features in VMS releases that are making it into VMS/VAX (which is falling  K with each release) and you'll be able to estimate as well as any of us whena% the de facto de-support will occur.     I When a manufacturer changes chips you've got to go pretty soon after the  I change or you'll get locked out.  Not much software around these days for  6800 based Macs either!t   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduP? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech o   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:44:07 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX userso, Message-ID: <39E61485.791B8423@videotron.ca>   John Macallister wrote: M > Perhaps including "free help/support" for VAX->Alpha transition of softwarenM > in the price of new Alpha systems would help to alleviate the problem? That = > cost may be less than maintaining a large VAX support team.g  I Not yet. It is my opinion that the vast majority of commercial sites that L still have VAX have VMS in "maintenance mode" until they have found a viableH alternative on their new corporate platform. And they still have the VAXE because it's paid for and works. But they won't be spending any money M upgrading it because they heard Bob Palmer's call and decided to develop/grow  on other platforms.s  L Before you start to coax them to upgrade to alpha, you have to convince themJ that Compaq has really changed its mind on VMS and that VMS will be pushedK actively and move forwards. You have to convince those customers to rethinkK< their policy to slowly abandon VMS and start to build on it.  L The minute those customers decide to rethink their position on VMS and startN to build on it again, the migration to Alpha will be natural because they will want/need the aded performance.0  M But if you try to coax them to drop the VAX, without first convincing then tosI re-invest in VMS, then they will just accelate their plans to migrate the # remaining apps to another platform.n  M DEC spent 8 years telling customers to drop VMS. It has only been a couple ofoM weeks since Compaq has given a few hints that perhaps the policy might changesI on the long term. It will take some time before this new push gets enoughgJ credibility to be beleived. Otherwise customers will see it as yet anotherL example of Digital saying "yeah, VMS has a long term commitment", followed aE few weeks later by adds urging customers to migrate from VMS to UNIX.e  L Assuming that Compaq is truly serious about VMS now, it will still take someN time for Compaq to convince a very skeptic customer base (and media) that this$ time, VMS really does have a chance.   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 16:54:18 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)W) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX usersb+ Message-ID: <MjlMUwsvdC6T@eisner.decus.org>r  a In article <8s52ac$8lc@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:fi > In article <hQdHaBz6umHY@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: c >>In article <8s4jp9$spr@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  > E >>So _why_ are you proposing that I should give up mixed architecture@/ >>clusters in favor of slower VAX performance ?m > J > Because the VAX is going the way of the PDP-11.  If you'd be happy with M > Mentec as your OS/hardware support, then you've got nothing to worry about.hL > But if you think Compaq is going to keep VMS/VAX up to date forever, well, > it just doesn't seem likely.  F As I read the base note, you were the one proposing they drop support, not Compaq.k  K > When a manufacturer changes chips you've got to go pretty soon after the  K > change or you'll get locked out.  Not much software around these days fort > 6800 based Macs either!b  1 There is for 680x0 Macintoshes, where x is not 0.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 19:16:29 GMTA From: chadur@my-deja.com0 Subject: need manual for terminal server manager) Message-ID: <8s52m5$v4a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hello,  G Having just downloaded the retired TSM, I got the release notes but notoG the manual.  Does anyone know where to download or otherwise obtain it?    Thanks    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:03:37 GMTc= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)m4 Subject: Re: need manual for terminal server manager0 Message-ID: <009F17EE.718E98AC@SendSpamHere.ORG>  D In article <8s52m5$v4a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, chadur@my-deja.com writes: >Hello,t > H >Having just downloaded the retired TSM, I got the release notes but notH >the manual.  Does anyone know where to download or otherwise obtain it? >  >ThanksS >d >w' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/v >Before you buy.    @ I'll bet you might have found it at www.networks.digital.com  ;(   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMa            cO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:41:46 GMTe From: chadur@my-deja.com4 Subject: Re: need manual for terminal server manager) Message-ID: <8s57m9$3s6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  B Unfortunately, that web site is no more.  Networks got sold.  I'veC called the new people, and they are searching for a manual.  Compaqi2 presales told me to give them a try:  www dnpg.comD Thanks for the thought, though.  The site you mention is where I got
 the software.   B > I'll bet you might have found it at www.networks.digital.com  ;( >n > --C > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)o TMESIS(dot)COM >3E > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named  after them.d >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:01:24 -0400W- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>o( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products, Message-ID: <39E61890.F2FE1A2D@videotron.ca>    richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote:I > these sort of, what are in my opinion, anti-competitive practices. Stop @ > Compaq from cross-funding and having to perform an embarassingC > unbundling or RTR after paying everyone elses legal expenses from  > *your* license fees.  N I see your point of view. However, to be the devil's advocate, having a singleK standard API to ensure transcation routing on VMS will spurr development ofPL applications that use this API. And knowing that all VMS sites have that APIM available means that applications that are written to use will run on any VMS-B box without forcing the customer to buy another piece of software.  I This is similar in principle, in my opinion, to providing the C and othera? compiler RTLs with the VMS system instead of with the compiler.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 04:20:53 GMT  From: LBohan@dbc.spam_less..comX4 Subject: Re: Reading and writing files via $QIO in C8 Message-ID: <c02dussojv796djad0bjulmof3jduba9k3@4ax.com>  @ On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:44:32 -0400, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> wrote:  L >On the other hand, if someone already knows of a functional file multicast  >setup..  < I don't actually.  but Multicast FTP has been at the edge ofB out radar screen for sometime, as a good soln for one to many FTP.  * http://www.tascnets.com/mist/doc/MFTP.html  + Mentions VAX VMS as a 'supported' platform;s4 alas, most/all of the URLs  on this page don't work.  0 the StarBurst folks have other mentions of MFTP,1 including work by Lucent.  But I haven't gone faro1 enough to determine if there are any open-source l/ MFTP implementations, that don't require addt'ln router support (PGM?).  ' Dirk Grunwald, grunwald@cs.colorado.edut* who've I've seen from time to time on COV,2 (or maybe just vmsnet.alpha)  might be a resource.  2 http://csel.cs.colorado.edu/~csci5273/mp4/mp4.html3 http://csel.cs.colorado.edu/~csci5273/mp4/demo.htmlu    6 I'd be interested to hear how things work out for you.   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 00:30:13 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)t4 Subject: Re: Reading and writing files via $QIO in C* Message-ID: <8s634l$h3i$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ? I just read the other day somewhere that RedHat is looking intoo@ multicast FTP to update their mirrors.  That wouldn't be VMS, of7 course, but it is a hot topic of discussion these days.,  8 In article <c02dussojv796djad0bjulmof3jduba9k3@4ax.com>,#  <LBohan@dbc.spam_less..com> wrote:hA >On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:44:32 -0400, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>  >wrote:  >tM >>On the other hand, if someone already knows of a functional file multicast t	 >>setup..  >t= >I don't actually.  but Multicast FTP has been at the edge of C >out radar screen for sometime, as a good soln for one to many FTP.  >e+ >http://www.tascnets.com/mist/doc/MFTP.htmlp > , >Mentions VAX VMS as a 'supported' platform;5 >alas, most/all of the URLs  on this page don't work.  >m1 >the StarBurst folks have other mentions of MFTP,a2 >including work by Lucent.  But I haven't gone far2 >enough to determine if there are any open-source 0 >MFTP implementations, that don't require addt'l >router support (PGM?).n >i( >Dirk Grunwald, grunwald@cs.colorado.edu+ >who've I've seen from time to time on COV, 3 >(or maybe just vmsnet.alpha)  might be a resource.e > 3 >http://csel.cs.colorado.edu/~csci5273/mp4/mp4.htmlw4 >http://csel.cs.colorado.edu/~csci5273/mp4/demo.html >m >o7 >I'd be interested to hear how things work out for you.o >  >-   -Jordan Henderson- jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:48:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: RSH Problem - Can someone try this for me6 Message-ID: <8s54hq$hkv$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F   In regard to an earlier report here from "thefantom@my-deja.com" (inD   <8qcqtq$d98$1@nnrp1.deja.com>) of a problem issuing the following B   command on a Microsoft Windows NT and (per local testing here atB   Compaq) on a Microsoft Windows 2000 system targeting an OpenVMS !   system running TCP/IP Services:s  ,     REXEC VaxNodeName -l username -n WAIT 10  H   that will trigger the following error message on the Microsoft system:  ,     "Recv failed: Connection reset by peer"   J   One of the TCP/IP Services engineers has performed a protocol trace and G   has found that the Windows 2000 system correctly initiates the REXEC yF   session, and that OpenVMS properly responds.   At four minutes, the G   Windows 2000 system sends a FIN to OpenVMS on the syserr connection, gE   OpenVMS ACKs the FIN, responds with a FIN and sends a FIN on REXEC tB   port 512, and the Windows 2000 system then responds with an RST.  H   Per the engineer, this sequence appears odd for the following reasons:   E     o Generating the FIN at four minutes, and for no apparent reason.   7     o Responding with an RST, when the FIN is returned.s  H     o Displaying "connection reset by peer" when the local system reset .       the connection -- and not by the peer.    K   Based on the protocol trace, TCP/IP Services is responding appropriately o   to the received FIN.  A   Please report this odd FIN behaviour to the folks at Microsoft.h  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:41:22 -0700r+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>-+ Subject: Re: Second ethernet for uVAX3180 ?5( Message-ID: <39E621F2.2A404781@mmaz.com>   trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote:  C > > > Try Nemonix.  I think they produce 100Mb Ethernet and UW SCSI F > The Nemonix device looks just the job, but unfortunately it's not atF > Hobbyist prices ($2000 for an ethernet adaptor eek!).  Reminds me of > the days when DEQ was DEC ;-)d >s  F Its worse for 4000's they want $5k!  I had a real hard time keeping my7 breakfast down when I received my quote on that one....u   Barry      --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-70280   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:40:30 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>S+ Subject: Re: Second ethernet for uVAX3180 ?M( Message-ID: <39E621BE.6164F37B@mmaz.com>   trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote:  C > > > Try Nemonix.  I think they produce 100Mb Ethernet and UW SCSI  > Thanks all for the follow up.S >AF > The Nemonix device looks just the job, but unfortunately it's not atF > Hobbyist prices ($2000 for an ethernet adaptor eek!).  Reminds me of > the days when DEQ was DEC ;-)h  F Its worse for 4000's they want $5k!  I had a real hard time keeping my7 breakfast down when I received my quote on that one....N   Barry    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO$  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-70285   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 15:54:50 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)@ Subject: Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer?3 Message-ID: <CmCBN$jYHpcg@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>r  a In article <8s4khu$spr@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:li > In article <dpVHZsLD3m4D@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:0] >>In article <8s4cqb$o6g$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:,G >>> This was discussed quite a bit recently.  Did it ever get correctedl >>> and/or cleared up? >>K >>Representations at the Los Angeles DECUS conference just concluded seemed I >>to make Ken Fairfield happy.  Check out the web page when they announce  >>it.C > + > The did announce it - the web page is at:0 > X >    http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness_without_compromise/educational_license.html >  > and it specifically says:i > + >   All licenses are single user licenses. d > J > The question is what they mean in this context by "single user license".  H         What's missing  from  the  page  referenced  above  are the realH     details...   Single  User License means to me an  OPENVMS-ALPHA-USERH     PAK for a single user (perhaps that has a different name?).   So  itH     wouldn't  replace  the CSLG in terms of unlimited user access.  WhatH     made me "happy"  (cf.   Larry's  earlier  note)  is  that,  like theH     Hobbiest  version,  you  can now buy systems _without_  a  VMS  baseH     license (OPENVMS-ALPHA) and run it  under  the  Educational  licenseH     free  of charge.  That means you buy something similar to the Linux-H     ready version  of  the  DS10,  appropriately  configured  with  VMS-H     supported  widgets,  and you save on the order of $1200.  That  doesH     make a more viable entry-level VMS desktop price...still much higher7     than Wintel, but let's not quibble at this point...d  H         In private e-mail, David suggested  that these licenses might beH     restricted  to  single-cpu systems, i.e., SMP excluded.   I  haven'tH     seen anything that references SMP  versus  single-cpu  systems.   AtH     CETS  2000,  the  DFWCUG  handed  out  copies of their newly renamedH     newsletter,  Quadwords,  which  has  a  front-page  article  on  theH     Educational  program.   Again, it misses specifics regarding SMP  orH     not, it does mention VMS-base license and  single-user  license,  itH     does  say  this  is _not_ a replacement for CSLG (wherein the multi-H     user licenses, etc., are provided),  and  makes it clear that anyoneH     associated  with  an  educational  institution of  any  kind  (e.g.,H     including high schools) can obtain  these  licenses,  although  they2     require a _single_ site contact/administrator.  H         So this program  works  like  the  hobbiest program for personalH     systems,  but adds general-use systems and systems used for researchH     within the restriction of single-user licenses.  As  I  said  above,H     for  sites  like  mine,  it may provide an adjunct to the CSLG in as=     much as it reduces the initial purchase price of systems.t  8         BTW, the article in Quadwords provides this URL:  #         	http://www.openvmsedu.com/n  H     which is currently accessible but still "under construction", as in,*     that's the only text on the page!  :-}  	     	-Kenb -- MM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edue:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:52:50 -0600o From: Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net>r/ Subject: SMG, BASIC, ckermit, and Printer portsp' Message-ID: <39E60882.38DA6BDC@srv.net>m  < I have a Vax/Basic program that output's to the printer port8 and displays information on the screen using SMG$ calls.6 The printer port is currently handled by printing to a2 channel on which I have opened "tt:". (sending the3 printer on escape sequence, then the data to print,X& then the printer off escape sequence).  9 On a VT420, VT320, etc connected through terminal serverse9 it works fine, but when using ckermit through the networkr6 (ucx on vax), the printing and SMG output get mixed up3 sometimes. I am guessing that telnet flushes output 6 differently than the terminal servers (from looking at a log file created in ckermit).o  9 I do a SMG$FLUSH_BUFFER before doing a PRINT, but I don'tt' know of a way to flush a basic channel.n  : Now my real question: Is there a good way to flush a basic: channel (to see if that is really my problem), or is there9 a way to get SMG to handle output to the printer port, ord7 some way to sync the SMG output with the basic channel?h   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:41:57 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)3 Subject: Re: SMG, BASIC, ckermit, and Printer portse5 Message-ID: <8s57ml$p3r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>o  I In article <39E60882.38DA6BDC@srv.net>, Kevin Handy  <kth@srv.net> wrote:g> : I have a Vax/Basic program that output's to the printer port: : and displays information on the screen using SMG$ calls.8 : The printer port is currently handled by printing to a4 : channel on which I have opened "tt:". (sending the5 : printer on escape sequence, then the data to print,t( : then the printer off escape sequence). : ; : On a VT420, VT320, etc connected through terminal serversf; : it works fine, but when using ckermit through the network)8 : (ucx on vax), the printing and SMG output get mixed up5 : sometimes. I am guessing that telnet flushes output-8 : differently than the terminal servers (from looking at! : a log file created in ckermit).l : ; : I do a SMG$FLUSH_BUFFER before doing a PRINT, but I don'tn) : know of a way to flush a basic channel.m : < : Now my real question: Is there a good way to flush a basic< : channel (to see if that is really my problem), or is there; : a way to get SMG to handle output to the printer port, orp9 : some way to sync the SMG output with the basic channel?h : > C-Kermit itself does some filtering of escape sequences, which? should not interfere with printing.  But as a quick experiment,c= try the following commands and see if they make a difference:      eightp   set terminal apc off(   set terminal character-set transparent  : If nothing changes, then it's almost certainly not Kermit.   - FrankX   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:39:45 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>d3 Subject: Re: SMG, BASIC, ckermit, and Printer portsh/ Message-ID: <suctb8nb987v2e@corp.supernews.com>e  , "Kevin Handy" <kth@srv.net> wrote in message! news:39E60882.38DA6BDC@srv.net... > > I have a Vax/Basic program that output's to the printer port: > and displays information on the screen using SMG$ calls.8 > The printer port is currently handled by printing to a4 > channel on which I have opened "tt:". (sending the5 > printer on escape sequence, then the data to print,g( > then the printer off escape sequence).  K Are you sending all of the data to the printer including the printer on andhJ printer off escape sequences in one write statement?  Such as one SYS$QIOW call.u  H Then you should not be concerned about flushing the buffers on the other terminal channel.S   -Johnr wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 14:53:32 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)Q Subject: Re: SOCKETSHR stuff - was Re: Announcement: TCGMSG for OpenVMS/ALPHA; 64 + Message-ID: <fiw2SkEwcrLe@eisner.decus.org>I  ) In article <39E5D107.F0417729@gtech.com>, ? Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:T  > Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann wrote: >> | John Malmberg wrote:f> >> |>And again, there is absolutely no reason to use SOCKETSHR< >> |>on the ALPHA platform, as all known TCP/IP products for< >> |>OpenVMS Alpha can be directly called from the DEC C run >> |>time library. >> t= >> Is that true? A DEC C-runtime call uses DEC-TCPIP/aka UCX,-
 >> or not? > ; > I think the DECC$RTL code uses the QIO interface, so thatm; > it works with all TCP/IP packages that implements the QIOg9 > interface (which according to the poster you quoted aret5 > all packages on VMS Alpha because CMU is VAX only).e  ; On VAX, the DEC C RTL uses LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to use theC9 name UCX$IPC_SHR and loads in an image and the address of 7 the desired routine.  It converts the internal C socketw3 information to channels before calling the routinesv9 contained in the UCX$IPC_SHR image. IIRC it also tends tom4 pass some of the data in item lists and descriptors.  2 I strongly suspect that the same is true on ALPHA.  > If you have a VAX based application that uses TCP/IP that you < run through DECMigrate or VEST to run on ALPHA, it looks for; UCX$IPC_SHR_TV and UCX$ACCESS_SHR_TV.  These images are not:7 provided by Compaq as far as I know, but the DECMigratea/ sucessfully produced them from the UCX 4.1 kit.s  6 The UCX$IPC_SHR image is a part of the TCP/IP package.8 I do not know if the other TCP/IP programs provide their: own equivalent shared image, or have a licensing agreement8 to use the Compaq one.  It is the UCX$IPC_SHR image that8 actually uses the SYS$QIOW calls to the BG: or what ever8 other network device.  (It really does not seem to care)    7 I think I have figured out most of the interface at the * ftp site mentioned earlier in this thread. ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/t  5 There is the source for a shared image that redirectst7 most of the DEC C RTL socket calls to NETLIB.  For thist6 image using the decc$get_sdc() call actually works (As9 long as NETLIB does not change an internal structure :-).n  7 Unlike socketshr, this shared image does not internallyo8 buffer up incoming packets, so many of the TCP/IP socket5 options that are supported by SYS$QIOW() routines for : the BG: device are not available, and can not be simulated  9 I suspect that maintenance of several freeware items suchD8 as CMU-IP and GCC for VMS are casualties of the Hobbyist program.   -John2 wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:41:55 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCy. Message-ID: <8s5463$8v3$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>   fatz_nyc@my-deja.com wrote:   . : 1) Where are you getting your UTC time from?  F VMS.  I don't supply a 128-bit time.  The documentation for SYS$ASCUTCJ says "If ... not specified ... $ASCUTC returns the current date and time",+ which I assumed meant the current UTC time.o   : 2) What about these logicals?a   (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)    (LNM_TESTENV_BROWN)o   (LNM$JOB_814BBAC0)   (LNM$GROUP_000005)   (LNM_SPCSYS)   (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  &   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DAYLIGHT_SAVING" = "1"(   "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-21600"   "SYS$TIMEZONE_NAME" = "MDT")5   "SYS$TIMEZONE_RULE" = "MST7MDT6,M4.1.0/2,M10.5.0/2"c   (DECW$LOGICAL_NAMES)  ( : 3) Post a small demonstrative program.   	IMPLICIT NONE 	CHARACTER*50	ASCTIM,ASCUTCs  	INTEGER		SYS$ASCTIM, SYS$ASCUTC 	INTEGER		STRLEN,TIMLEN,UTCLEN  2 	CALL LIB$SIGNAL ( 	1	 %VAL (SYS$ASCTIM ( 	1		   TIMLEN, e 	1		   ASCTIM,,)),,) 	STRLEN=TIMLEN3 	WRITE (UNIT=6, FMT=1) 'SYS$ASCTIM', TIMLEN, ASCTIMa   	CALL LIB$SIGNAL ( 	1	 %VAL (SYS$ASCUTC ( 	1		   UTCLEN,   	1		   ASCUTC,  	 	1		   , T 	1		   )),,) 	STRLEN=UTCLEN3 	WRITE (UNIT=6, FMT=1) 'SYS$ASCUTC', UTCLEN, ASCUTC  	STOPu  6 1	FORMAT (' ', A, ' returns ', I2, ' byte string:  "', 	1 A<STRLEN>, '"') 	END  ) When I run this this program, I get this:   / 	%SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completiong> 	SYS$ASCTIM returns 23 byte string:  "12-OCT-2000 13:05:49.43"/ 	%SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion > 	SYS$ASCUTC returns 23 byte string:  "12-OCT-2000 13:05:49.66"  ? SYS$ASCUTC returned a time string for the same time zone as did C SYS$ASCTIM.  It is neither UTC, nor is there additional information ) included from which UTC could be derived./  . Or at least, that is what it looks like to me.   - Robr     -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.comn6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/D   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:57:26 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCr. Message-ID: <8s58jm$apl$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  3 Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:m   ....  8 :   What particular problem(s) are you looking to solve?  H Simply put, I want to display the current UTC time, ie something similarD to GMT.  At 12-Oct-2000 18:00, I would like 13-Oct-2000 00:00 to be  displayed (I am in MDT).  D The actual application I am thinking of is our history system, whichE currently saves data using local system time.  During the semi-annualaG time-zone change :-( we either overwrite an hour of data or we leave a nI hole in the file.  Saving the data using UTC rather than local time mightt be the easiest way to fix this.g  I Elsewhere, I have heard that the "correct" method to pass UTC timestamps  J to non-VMS systems is to pass an ASCII string.  The VMS wizard says systemA services have been supplied to create this string (August 1998, Ic5 believe).  So far, SYS$ASCUTC does not seem to be it.     :   What language(s) are in use?   Fortran, C, and Macro-32.p  ' :   What OpenVMS version(s) are in use?n  # VMS 7.1 and VMS 6.2, alpha and vax.e   Thanks for your help.t   - RobM     -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.coms6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/s   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 22:27:03 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCr6 Message-ID: <8s5drn$j60$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  W In article <8s58jm$apl$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) writes:h4 :Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote: :... :t9 ::   What particular problem(s) are you looking to solve?s : I :Simply put, I want to display the current UTC time, ie something similaroE :to GMT.  At 12-Oct-2000 18:00, I would like 13-Oct-2000 00:00 to be - :displayed (I am in MDT).-  L   UTC is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC).  (Yes, UTC and not UCT.  The UTC G   abbreviation is based on the French-language name for this standard.)1  G   UTC can effectively be treated as GMT -- UTC has a slightly differentuH   definition than GMT, but I'll ignore the details of implementing leap    seconds and such here.  @   The TDF is the difference between the local time and Universal>   Coordinated Time (UTC; the acronym is from the French name).  D   An example using the utc calls in the DTSS$SHR image -- which are H   present on recent versions of OpenVMS; Documentation is included with I   DECnet-Plus DTSS/DECdtss -- to retrieve the current time in UTC format fE   is attached below, as well as the output from an example run and a  =   subsequent (manual) SHOW TIME and supporting information.     F   This was from a DECnet Phase IV system running OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com     #include <stdio.h> // // Build instructions: // //   $ cc x. //   $ link x,sys$input:/opt //   sys$share:dtss$shr/shareE //   $ run x //A // Use utc.h, if you have it...  Otherwise, define it all here...s // typedef struct utc {a     char char_array[16]; } utc_t; extern utc_gettime(void*);" extern utc_mkasctime(void*,void*);& extern utc_ascgmtime(void*,int,void*); main()   {a   utc_t Utc;   char AscTim[35];   utc_gettime(&Utc);#   utc_ascgmtime(AscTim, 35, &Utc );n.   printf("Formatted UTC time is %s\n",AscTim);   return 1;a   }  $c   $ r x/nodebI3 Formatted UTC time is 2000-10-12-22:14:43.980I----- 
 $ sho time   12-OCT-2000 18:14:45# $ sho log SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL <    "SYS$TIMEZONE_DIFFERENTIAL" = "-14400" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)	 $ cc/vers-) Compaq C V6.2-006 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1l $s   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 22:59:31 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCl. Message-ID: <8s5foj$eta$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  3 Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:u   ...   F :   An example using the utc calls in the DTSS$SHR image -- which are    Thanks.  That's useful..   - Robh     -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.comu6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:27:13 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)  Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCt* Message-ID: <8s5hch$11o$1@lisa.gemair.com>  6 In article <8s5drn$j60$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,3 Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:c >eX >In article <8s58jm$apl$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) writes:5 >:Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:e >:...h >:: >::   What particular problem(s) are you looking to solve? >:J >:Simply put, I want to display the current UTC time, ie something similarF >:to GMT.  At 12-Oct-2000 18:00, I would like 13-Oct-2000 00:00 to be  >:displayed (I am in MDT). >yM >  UTC is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC).  (Yes, UTC and not UCT.  The UTC  H >  abbreviation is based on the French-language name for this standard.) >   B Oh boy!  Oh boy!  I get to correct Hoff about something!  (I'm so > excited...  too bad it's not OpenVMS related, that WOULD be an accomplishment).  > The abbreviation UTC is NOT based on the French-language name 0 for this standard.  I quote from "The Time FAQ" 4 http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/general/faq.htm? (something I read over carefully during the pre-2000 hysteria):s  D   http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/general/misc.htm#Anchor-14550  @   "In 1970 the Coordinated Universal Time system was devised by ?    an international advisory group of technical experts within uA    the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). The ITU felt  A    it was best to designate a single abbreviation for use in all i=    languages in order to minimize confusion. Since unanimous r?    agreement could not be achieved on using either the English o?    word order, CUT, or the French word order, TUC, the acronym o#    UTC was chosen as a compromise."   @ I now return you to the on-topic discussion that was already in  progress...   , > [much good,substantive discussion snipped] >cA >  The TDF is the difference between the local time and Universalo? >  Coordinated Time (UTC; the acronym is from the French name).s  @ Oops, there you said it again.  Wow, I got to correct Hoff TWICE in the same post! (see above)o  , > [more good,substantive discussion snipped]   -Jordan Henderson, Pedant  jordan@greenapple.comr   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:11:36 -0500 (EST)i From: 00914698@yahoo.com9 Subject: The Net Detective. Learn how to snoop on Anyone!p: Message-ID: <iss.72a7.39e5dba5.94798.1@cpmx.mail.saic.com>   READY TO KNOW?           >            > CONFIDENTIAL           >           1 > The SOFTWARE They Want BANNED In all 50 STATES."          F > Why? Because these secrets were never intended to reach your eyes...           > Get the facts on anyone!               >           ? > Locate Missing Persons, find Lost Relatives, obtain Addresses           @ > and Phone Numbers of old school friends, even Skip Trace Dead           9 > Beat Spouses. This is not a Private Investigator, but ae          : > sophisticated SOFTWARE program DESIGNED to automatically          F > CRACK YOUR CASE with links to thousands of Public Record databases.            >           : > Find out SECRETS about your relatives, friends, enemies,          7 > and everyone else! -- even your spouse! With the New,t          $ >              INTERNET SPY AND YOU!           >           8 > It's absolutely astounding! Here's what you can learn:           >            > License plate number!n          B >  Get anyone's name and address with just a license plate number!          ' >  (Find that girl you met in traffic!)c           >            > Driving record!            >  Get anyone's driving record           >            > Social security number!           + >   Trace anyone by social security number!h           >            > Address! i          ) >  Get anyone's address with just a name!k           >            > Unlisted phone numbers!           D >  Get anyone's phone number with just a name-even unlisted numbers!           >           
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 as a relayJ without creating an open relay.  I would ideally like it to be a relay for authorized usersD (ie. users with a VMS username/password) from anywhere in the world.  I I would probably accept making it relay only using specific IP addresses.r  E I can't seem to figure this out even though I suspect that capability  exists.s  ! PLEASE email me suggestions/info.    thanks,  Rick Cadruvi...   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:35:02 -0400e# From: sol gongola <sol@adldata.com>o# Subject: Re: UCX 5.0 and SMTP relay ' Message-ID: <39E682E6.3863@adldata.com>   > VMS support told me it is not possible with tcpip/smtp V5.0A. B The next version of tcpip is supposed to have it. It was supposed  to be out in October 2000.  / MX version 5 is supposed to have relay control.    sol gongola.    	 rc wrote:  > M > I have a VMS V7.2-1 system with UCX V5.0A and I want to use the SMTP serverS > as a relayL > without creating an open relay.  I would ideally like it to be a relay for > authorized usersF > (ie. users with a VMS username/password) from anywhere in the world. > K > I would probably accept making it relay only using specific IP addresses.C > G > I can't seem to figure this out even though I suspect that capabilityT	 > exists.F > # > PLEASE email me suggestions/info.E >  > thanks,  Rick Cadruvi...   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:06:14 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)0 Subject: Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12+ Message-ID: <GLbOAP+oEmSw@eisner.decus.org>,  l In article <8s4r1h$g32$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com> writes:C > Here's the information regarding userdir. Note: the Apache & CSWSN8 > installation procedures take care of #3 automatically. > K > If you're trying to get the login directory for a username specified in aU > URL of theH > form /~username that should work if the following conditions are true: > C >   1. The configuration file must contain a userdir directive, The E >       default Apache configuration includes a "userdir public_html"3A >       directive, which differs from the OSU server's default of  >       userdir www.   It's in there and uncommented.  F >    2. The user sub-directory must be readable by the apache account.K >       (Note that the default userdir directory for Apache is public_html,o >        while OSU uses www).   @ Does it have to be an explicit ACL or can I just set world read?   > " > Marty Kuhrt wrote in message ... >>< >>Is that why I can't seem to get the userdir stuff working? >>  A I get the "Forbidden" error screen when I try to access a user's 3
 directory.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 23:53:49 -0400-* From: Jay Peterson <peterson@pulsenet.com> Subject: Re: VAX85305 Message-ID: <002301c034c9$3b4f56a0$488aed3f@peterson>D   ----- Original Message -----) From: "Derek Konigsberg" <konigd@rpi.edu>c To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com> ( Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:38 PM Subject: Re: VAX8530    1 >     By the way, any ideas where one could get aiI > new hard drive for such a unit?  The hard drive in our console seems too3 > be on the way out, and we don't want to loose it.i >I > -Derek >o  F The hard disk in the Pro/380-based console is some variant of an RD-52K (IIRC), and the floppy drive is a dual RX50. Where you may run into troublerL is trying to copy the console software from the ailing disk to the new disk.I I'm not sure how extensive or complete the set of utilities is that comesv% with P/OS (the O/S the console runs).s   Hope this helps....n< ------------------------------------------------------------ Jay A. Petersons   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 00:08:04 GMT) From: begcompuser@aol.com (Beg Comp User)t Subject: Re: VMS and UNIXa: Message-ID: <20001012200804.03205.00001469@ng-ch1.aol.com>  O First of all, thank you for your helpful reply.  How useful will knowing VMS be A later on compared to knowing UNIX?  (like in the job market...)  o   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 20:15:51 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)A Subject: Re: VMS and UNIX * Message-ID: <8s5k7n$3r0$1@lisa.gemair.com>  : In article <20001012200804.03205.00001469@ng-ch1.aol.com>,* Beg Comp User <begcompuser@aol.com> wrote:P >First of all, thank you for your helpful reply.  How useful will knowing VMS beB >later on compared to knowing UNIX?  (like in the job market...)    C Nobody here can answer this question because it contains the phraset< "later on".  You are asking us to predict the future.   Only The Gartner Group can do this.  H I do believe that exposure to OpenVMS will teach, by example, principlesE of good, sound design that will be valuable anywhere you go in the ITm world.  F If you use C/C++ or Perl on OpenVMS, you'll find that these skills are0 largely portable to UNIX and other environments.  K I can appreciate your concerns about learning the most popular environmentsUI to enhance your marketability, but I expect that there will considerable tG demand for Entry-level OpenVMS people in the near future.  Not being a d. member of The Gartner Group, I could be wrong.   -Jordan HendersonT jordan@greenapple.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 20:30:06 -0400-- From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com>p( Subject: VMS Hobbyist ALPHA systems $679/ Message-ID: <suclg7deigl276@corp.supernews.com>n  6 Installed in  NEW AXXION cases (the preferred DEC box)9 These come configured in a base configuration as follows:     1 CPU and Motherboard (by themselves) for  $499 or;f     PC164LX with 2mb on board cacheO SRM loaded for VMS 7.2-1 533Mhz CPU 21164 2 Serial Ports 1 paralleli 2 IDE COntrollers- 4 PCI Slots  4 memory Slots (168pin) # AXXION  Case with 400W Power supplyz
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 0096 to ordera           -- Island Computers US Corporation. 2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150: Savannah GA 31404g Tel: 912 447 6622@ Fax: 912 201 0096> sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:33:45 +0930S$ From: "sseng" <sseng@ozemail.com.au>! Subject: Re: VMS in Network World-2 Message-ID: <6QvF5.36749$O7.437332@ozemail.com.au>  9 After a quick search of "VMS" on the nwfusion site to seeo6 what sort of other coverage our great OS is getting, I" came across the following article.  4 http://www.nwfusion.com/research/2000/1002feat2.html  : The reference to VMS is small, but has a bit of a sting in the tail.  I quote:R  2 "For example, such customization might include the8 ability to connect in real time with a production system7 at a manufacturing plant on the other side of the worldc4 running a nonstandard operating system such as VMS."  . NONSTANDARD !!!  I realise the author probably2 doesn't even know how to spell VMS, let alone ever8 having actually used it, but I am really curious to know0 what exactly is a "standard" operating system !!! And where can I find the specs !!l  - (Anyone even mention Darth Gates and the evil   empire and I'm going to barf !!)          - sseng <sseng@ozemail.com.au> wrote in messagei, news:_daF5.25873$O7.413938@ozemail.com.au... >aF > I noticed at the bottom of that article there is a survey asking for readersy > opinions. K > Maybe a few more "More articles on this topic" responses  from our fellowO > VMSr > fans wouldn't hurt.n >c >p? > Terry C. Shannon <terryshannon@mediaone.net> wrote in messageg7 > news:jo4F5.47079$tn.861783@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net...Q > >t+ > > <jbecker@ui.urban.org> wrote in messageq% > news:8s2hnh$s6b$1@nnrp1.deja.com...dF > > > Well dang, VMS is not only mentioned in Network World, it's in a@ > > > positive article, which even claims that VMS is _popular_:9 > > >   http://www.nwfusion.com/news/2000/1010newvms.htmlo > > >pF > > > I don't recall whether non-subscribers will be able to view thisE > > > article, so I'll include a few key quotes to give you the gist.i > > >oF > > > Title and subtitle: "Compaq ratchets up OpenVMS with Version 7.3@ > > > Release calms fears that former Digital platform is dead." > > > J > > > "The release of the operating system also lays to rest any lingeringF > > > speculation about Compaq's long-term commitment to the platform, > > > analysts said."  > > >sJ > > > "The move "puts to rest the 'VMS is dead' rumors and misconceptions"L > > > that have surrounded the operating system for the past few years, said > > > Terry Shannon..."n > > >)I > > > "OpenVMS is a popular mid- to high-end operating system that CompaqtL > > > acquired from Digital. It powers some of Compaq's highest-end servers,F > > > including the company's new 32-processor Wildfire Alpha server." > > >- > > G > > Nice of IDG to recycle Jaikumar's article into another one of their  pubs.: > MyK > > quote coulda been more accurate; I said that OpenVMS will be around for9 > manyL > > years to come, not "several" years to come. Of course, if one interprets< > > "several" as "more than 20," then the quote is accurate. > >TH > > Whatever, Jaikumar did a good job. He is one of the few folks in the tradeeB > > press who has given reasonably consistent coverage to OpenVMS. > >  > >a >M >i   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 23:29:41 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpc , Message-ID: <8s5hh5$iqt@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  D Some Pascal code I've just encountered was built using gpc on other G platforms but VMS Pascal (5.7, on Alpha) is distinctly unhappy with it.sE I've tried a bunch of different /standard= settings, but none make iti happy. m  E The problem is that this code uses lines like this (in a single file)    MODULE seq interface;I MODULE seq implementation;  F but VMS Pascal just doesn't know what to do with that - it expects the  MODULE line to stop after "seq".  J I know essentially nothing about Pascal - what needs to be done to convert> this section of code into something VMS Pascal will recognize?   Thanks,    David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech s   ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:53:34 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) # Subject: Re: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpc * Message-ID: <8s5itu$2j1$1@lisa.gemair.com>  , In article <8s5hh5$iqt@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,3 David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote: E >Some Pascal code I've just encountered was built using gpc on other ,H >platforms but VMS Pascal (5.7, on Alpha) is distinctly unhappy with it.F >I've tried a bunch of different /standard= settings, but none make it >happy.  > F >The problem is that this code uses lines like this (in a single file) >t >MODULE seq interface; >MODULE seq implementation;  >oG >but VMS Pascal just doesn't know what to do with that - it expects the ! >MODULE line to stop after "seq".l > K >I know essentially nothing about Pascal - what needs to be done to converti? >this section of code into something VMS Pascal will recognize?t >(  
 This page:  A   http://didaktik.physik.uni-essen.de/~gnu-pascal/about.html#lang   E suggests that the module implementation comes from ISO-10206 Extendedo< Pascal and further, gives a link to the standard's document.  F I haven't looked at Extended Pascal in awhile, but I do seem to recallH 'interface' and 'implementation' being part of the MODULE specification.  ( Does DEC Pascal support Extended Pascal?   >Thanks, > 
 >David Mathogr >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@ >Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech    -Jordan Hendersont jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------    Date: 12 Oct 2000 22:39:25 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)h# Subject: Re: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpce+ Message-ID: <9PIONXqzlqF5@eisner.decus.org>n  \ In article <8s5itu$2j1$1@lisa.gemair.com>, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) writes:  H > I haven't looked at Extended Pascal in awhile, but I do seem to recallJ > 'interface' and 'implementation' being part of the MODULE specification. > * > Does DEC Pascal support Extended Pascal?  F DEC Pascal supports certain features of Extended Pascal, but obviously
 not that one.   A I believe there is only one commercial implementation of the fullr? Extended Pascal specification, and that is not on VMS.  I thinkh@ John Reagan runs a periodic scan of comp.os.vms, and if he joins, in the discussions he will know the answers.  ? The divergence of Pascal dialects was a factor in the hard line = people take regarding Ada standardization, even though the USa DoD is no longer involved.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 16:37:24 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>n Subject: VMS Web Primer / Message-ID: <suc889p48v1sca@corp.supernews.com>e  F Has anyone taken a look at the "OpenVMS Primer for System Managers" at? http://www.openvms.digital.com/wbt/pc/welcome.htm? Myself and aoA colleague both looked at the review questions under "Basic Systeme@ Management Skills" and we both disagree with some of the answers$ and/or the wording of the questions.  ! Who do we send these comments to?n  
 Our comments;t  = 1.  Why does the question state "including at least one AlphaIB computer"? This implies that a cluster of VAXen is not "an OpenVMS cluster" anymore. A 4.  SHOW commands provide information, pretty tenuous to say that F "helps you determine whether to change certain system memory resources to improve system performance?"y@ 6.  I always thought SYS$PRINT would be the name of the printer,, DYNAMITE would be the device the queue uses.F 8.  You can install VMS from a CD on either a VAX or an Alpha, but the) correct answer here is only on the Alpha.>B 10.  BACKUP does NOT "guard against data loss or corruption", just& helps you recover when it DOES happen.   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 21:38:55 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VMS Web Primer 6 Message-ID: <8s5b1f$ind$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <suc889p48v1sca@corp.supernews.com>, "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:>G :Has anyone taken a look at the "OpenVMS Primer for System Managers" at @ :http://www.openvms.digital.com/wbt/pc/welcome.htm? Myself and aB :colleague both looked at the review questions under "Basic SystemA :Management Skills" and we both disagree with some of the answers % :and/or the wording of the questions._ :_" :Who do we send these comments to?     I'll pass the comments along.    :Our comments;  	   Thanks.o   :1.  Why does the question...   "   Bogus question, or bogus answer.   :4.  SHOW commands...      Correct as worded.  " :6.  I always thought SYS$PRINT...     Poorly worded question.l  ( :8.  You can install VMS from a CD on...     Poorly worded question.o  C :10.  BACKUP does NOT "guard against data loss or corruption", just ' :helps you recover when it DOES happen.      Semantics.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:29:23 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch16 Message-ID: <8s53ej$hg7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I In article <8s4nkk$klu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes:   K :Just had a vmsinstal failure while applying a patch for UCX 4.2 on VMS 7.2u  K   I'll check on this.  (The information I have seen indicates that OpenVMS bH   Alpha V7.2 requires TCP/IP Services V5.0 or later, but I will check on2   the support status of V4.2 on OpenVMS VAX V7.2.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:39:46 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> 1 Subject: Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch - Message-ID: <39E675F2.7F1AC7C3@earthlink.net>t   Didier Morandi wrote:  >   > trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote: > >p > > Hi > >rJ > > Just had a vmsinstal failure while applying a patch for UCX 4.2 on VMS > > 7.2  > ' > Why don't you use $ product install ?   D Unless dual kits are available, TMK, you can't install a saveset kit using PCSI.y   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/P  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.@   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:22:58 -0700.! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comnL Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?C Message-ID: <OFCB8C69F5.5DEEFC83-ON88256976.0064C82B@HEALTHNET.COM>a  D You might call it "engaging in a pissing contest". Willy waving is a1 reference to boasting "Mine's bigger than yours".    Shane   I P.S. I never understood these people who want bigger willies. They should// settle for nine inches like the rest of us.....t          J Brian Tillman <tillman_brian@cpmx.mail.saic.com> on 10/12/2000 07:09:28 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi cc:i  K Subject:  Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower)        ?r    K >See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13890.html for more Alpha info.   A "willy-waving"???  Does that phrase mean something to those of us 3 states-side that it doesn't mean across the puddle?  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comr= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevents< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 00:15:12 -0400e2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?7 Message-ID: <200010130015_MC2-B6C7-895C@compuserve.com>o  J         If Compaq did that, we would have the same situatation that obtai= nsD in the PC world, zillions of different hardware configurations!  VMSD wouldn't support most, or perhaps any, of these configurations.  VMSJ wouldn't work at all on some and might be flaky on configurations that it=  
 worked on.  J         You can get almost anything at a lower price than Compaq charges,=  J but will it work?  Something like thirteen years of reading this newsgrou= poD tells me that third party hardware is a crapshoot at best.   Even ifJ something appears to work, you may find that there is that tragic, fatal,=  - flaw that turns up when you least need it to.-  G         VMS can identify the I/O devices that it supports.  Suppose yousJ install some brand X card that *almost* emulates the Compaq product?  VMS=  H believes it's a supported device, loads the driver, and ZAP!  If you areJ lucky the failure will be immediate and unmistakable.  If not, you may be=  F ZAPped for months before you discover that months of work has produced
 useless crap!I  1         Like it or not, you get what you pay for!-    > Message text written by INTERNET:mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduF >It would be nice if the Q got completely out of the business of finalG assembly of low end Alphas - and did so by providing an ATX form factor1E Alpha motherboard and the processors for it for sale to OEMs.  (And =t  F that motherboard would support faster CPUs and field upgrades.  What aG novel concept!)  That way the smaller resellers/vendors, or even an endoJ user, could slap these into standard ATX cases and add third party memory= , G an intraserver scsi controller, and disks - and the final product wouldoJ cost less than the Q boxes do because it wouldn't have their 3X markup on=  J all of these items. Anyway, then you could finally get a DS10 class machi= neH in as big a case as you wanted, instead of the BS that the Q pulls whereG they force you to either buy a storageworks shelf or a DS20 if you wante more than 3 drives. <a   ------------------------------   Date: 12 OCT 2000 21:45:48 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> , Subject: Which symbiont handles which queue?2 Message-ID: <12OCT00.21454823@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  G I have a bunch of LPR print queues which use a 3rd party product.  Each-C print queue has its own symbiont, but I'm not sure how to determine F which symbiont goes with which queue.  SHOW PROC/CHAN with SDA doesn'tG show any thing obviously useful (at least with the queue idle).  And, ItH don't see anything with GETQUI or GETJPI which looks appropriate (thoughF I may have missed the obvious).  So how do I figure out which symbiont services which queue?   D This is mostly of academic interest I guess.  Someone here had a jobB apparently hang and wanted to kill it.  So he did a STOP/ID on theB symbiont he thought might be it (he got it right, fortunately).  IF suspect STOP/QUEUE/NEXT/ABORT would have worked more safely, but I gotE to wondering how to match a specific symbiont to a specific queue and ' couldn't come up with a generic answer.h   Thanks,t Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVhH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.572 ************************