1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 13 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 573       Contents: RE: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.  Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.  Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe. > Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?= Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable) ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 $ Compaq Sollutions Alliance - OpenVMS" Re: Copying Directories via DecNet" Re: Copying Directories via DecNet Copying Directories via DecNetG Re: CTERM (not the network protocol) failed message on AlphaServer ES40 G Re: CTERM (not the network protocol) failed message on AlphaServer ES40  DEC 3000/300 video specs? # Re: DECbrouter 90 Software V11.1(6) # Re: DECnet Support Statement, Plans 4 Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket4 Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paket EF52 backup battery replacement " Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS 3 How can I set breakpoint on overloaded constructor? 7 Re: How can I set breakpoint on overloaded constructor?  Image backup & dns$cache files installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ? $ internet connection at home with VMS( Re: internet connection at home with VMS( RE: Internet connection at home with VMS( RE: Internet connection at home with VMS( Re: Internet connection at home with VMS# Internetzugang zu Hause von VMS aus ' Re: Internetzugang zu Hause von VMS aus : Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster? Re: Java on Openvms 9 July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web   Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users  Re: Migrating the last VAX users No system password...  Re: No system password...  Re: No system password...  Re: No system password...  Re: nonfree Freeware Re: nonfree Freeware Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  RE: PC164LX compatibility  Re: PC164LX compatibility  RE: PC164LX compatibility  RE: PC164LX compatibility  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: RZ23 SCSI ID settings 7 Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer? 7 Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer? 7 Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer? 7 Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer? * Re: SMG, BASIC, ckermit, and Printer ports Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: tcp/ip v4 lpd problem  This is possible using THRUWAY' Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.12  VAX to Alpha (DS10)  Re: VAX to Alpha (DS10)  Re: VAX to Alpha (DS10)  Re: VAX8530  Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk  Re: VMS and UNIX Re: VMS and UNIX VMS ISP? Re: VMS ISP? Re: VMS ISP? Re: VMS ISP? Re: VMS ISP? Re: VMS ISP? Re: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpc Re: VMS Web Primer( Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch Re: Welcome to Encompass! ' Re: Which symbiont handles which queue? ' Re: Which symbiont handles which queue? ' Re: Which symbiont handles which queue? ' RE: Which symbiont handles which queue?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 06:54:20 GMT- From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet-DOT.-be (BMcN) & Subject: RE: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.+ Message-ID: <8FCC504A8BMcN@212.100.160.123>   E Hey! WWEBB1@email.usps.gov (WILLIAM WEBB) you went and wrote message  I <0033000006375607000002L072*@MHS> and forced me to type some nonsense in   response...    <snip> >-- . >The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (') >  >- F.Z.  > : >       Hehehe.  'Is that a REAL Alpha, or a SEARS Alpha?' >  >       WWWebb >   I I was going to use the following as a sig, but how would I attribute it??   2 "I'm vile and pernicious, but you can't look away.=  I'll make you think I'm delicious with the stuff that I say. 3  I'm the best you can get, have you guessed me yet? /  I'm the slime oozing out of the newsfeed net."   ! But how would I attibute that? ;)    --  + Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be   - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')  - F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:42:05 +0100 ' From: benchabane <benchabane@wissal.dz> & Subject: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.6 Message-ID: <200010130942.e9D9g5M16479@mail.wissal.dz>  ! At 14:19 12/10/00 GMT, you wrote: I >Now being in the position of no longer having a 4100 AlphaServer to play L >with at work, I'm looking to pick up a reasonable spec Alpha 2nd hand (I'll' >settle for something less powerful :).  > L >Can anyone point me in the direction of websites or companies that might beD >able to help me out there? Ideally in Belgium, or within reasonable >travelling/shipping distance. > F >I keep looking on Ebay to see what is on offer, and whenever I find aG >machine I'd like - they only ship within the U.S. (Not to mention that 5 >they've stripped the memory & disks before selling).  >  >  >    Try www.vecom.be   or sales@vecom.be   " and tell them you are a friend....     Lies benchabane  >  >-- . >The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (') >  >- F.Z.  >    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 10:32:03 GMT- From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet-DOT.-be (BMcN) & Subject: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.+ Message-ID: <8FCC73E75BMcN@212.100.160.123>   B Hey! benchabane@wissal.dz (benchabane) you went and wrote message F <200010130942.e9D9g5M16479@mail.wissal.dz> and forced me to type some  nonsense in response...        >Try www.vecom.be  >  >or sales@vecom.be > # >and tell them you are a friend....  >  >  >Lies benchabane >   6 Thanks for that one, they're only 10-15 minutes drive!   --  + Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be   - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')  - F.Z.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:46:43 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>G Subject: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? ' Message-ID: <G2Cyxv.3sJ@spcuna.spc.edu>   K   I installed the most recent set of patches for Alpha VMS V7.2-1 the other J day, and since then I've gotten a bunch of bugchecks, mostly LOCKMGRERR's.J As I don't have support (this is a hobbyist cluster) I'm wondering if any-I one else is seeing this, and (if you have support) what Compaq says about  it.      Here are the patches:   I PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIME P ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------P DEC AXPVMS VMS721_F11X V2.0         Patch       Install     10-OCT-2000 17:50:16P DEC AXPVMS VMS721_IPC V1.0          Patch       Install     10-OCT-2000 17:50:16P DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V6.0          Patch       Install     10-OCT-2000 17:50:16     And here's a bugcheck:  * Crash Time:        13-OCT-2000 02:00:08.31= Bugcheck Type:     LOCKMGRERR, Error detected by Lock Manager $ Node:              SERVER  (Cluster)2 CPU Type:          COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz VMS Version:       V7.2-1    Current Process:   Sys_cleanE Current Image:     SERVER$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DIRECTORY.EXE > Failing PC:        FFFFFFFF.80162F78    LCK$ALLOC_PAGE_C+002B8$ Failing PS:        18000000.00000800G Module:            LOCKING    (Link Date/Time: 30-AUG-2000 22:45:35.83)  Offset:            00008F78   %   Sys_clean is a nightly cleanup job.   5   Of course, I can provide a lot more info if needed.   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:45:50 -0500 - From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? 1 Message-ID: <39E7201E.80E84AAF@email.sps.mot.com>   H I can't help with the problem, but we are running a cluster of ES40's onD VMS 7.2-1 with those ECOs installed, and have not seen any problems, bugchecks or otherwise.    Bruce Vinson   Terry Kennedy wrote: > M >   I installed the most recent set of patches for Alpha VMS V7.2-1 the other L > day, and since then I've gotten a bunch of bugchecks, mostly LOCKMGRERR's.L > As I don't have support (this is a hobbyist cluster) I'm wondering if any-K > one else is seeing this, and (if you have support) what Compaq says about  > it.  >  >   Here are the patches:  > K > PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIME R > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- --------------------R > DEC AXPVMS VMS721_F11X V2.0         Patch       Install     10-OCT-2000 17:50:16R > DEC AXPVMS VMS721_IPC V1.0          Patch       Install     10-OCT-2000 17:50:16R > DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V6.0          Patch       Install     10-OCT-2000 17:50:16 >  >   And here's a bugcheck: > , > Crash Time:        13-OCT-2000 02:00:08.31? > Bugcheck Type:     LOCKMGRERR, Error detected by Lock Manager & > Node:              SERVER  (Cluster)4 > CPU Type:          COMPAQ AlphaServer DS10 466 MHz > VMS Version:       V7.2-1  > Current Process:   Sys_cleanG > Current Image:     SERVER$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]DIRECTORY.EXE @ > Failing PC:        FFFFFFFF.80162F78    LCK$ALLOC_PAGE_C+002B8& > Failing PS:        18000000.00000800I > Module:            LOCKING    (Link Date/Time: 30-AUG-2000 22:45:35.83)  > Offset:            00008F78  > ' >   Sys_clean is a nightly cleanup job.  > 7 >   Of course, I can provide a lot more info if needed.  > 6 >         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com7 >         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:45:09 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)8 Message-ID: <4jidussi0n1bq8ck2a30f2r2t85gqf44oj@4ax.com>  E On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:47:53 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  wrote:  F >> Also:  I've seen references to "VAX" byte order, which is (given my& >> example above) something like BADC. >>4 >> DO VAXen natively store 4-byte numerics this way? > K >IIRC, this particular ordering variation is one inherited from some 32-bit C >quantities in certain PDP-11 software (e.g., file sizes) that used I >little-endian within 16-bit words but placed the two words in big-endian 6 >order.  AFAIK it never got enshrined in any hardware.  : Hmm, taken a look at any of the Vax floating-point machine representations ? ;-)   G I used to port software across a slew of 16-bit and 32-bit minis in the < early 80's.  It didn't take long to realise just how logicalG little-endian is, despite everyone else's (*) assertion that it was the F wrong way round.  The right way being to put the least significant bit* in the highest addressed byte, yeah sure !  G (*)  Before Intel took over the world with the x86, also little endian.    	John  --  
 John Laird   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:05:15 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.01 Message-ID: <39e6ebbc.331593976@news.newsguy.com>   7 On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:36:54 -0500, "David J. Dachtera" $ <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  # >Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote:  >>  " >> Opera 3.62 seems to read it OK. > H >So, that's two browsers out of how many? (Opera and Internet Exploder).  F It doesn't even work for me with Windws 2000 and Internet Exploder 5.5F -  just hangs. However if I manaully click STOP the page seems to then display reasonably   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:33:35 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.06 Message-ID: <8s6vc9$qf8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Shane,  L Thank you, you are correct I had nothing to do with publishing this article.  J I am just trying to pass along what I consider useful information.  I have4 forwarded some of the mail messages I have received.  
 Best Regards,    Sue       0 Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote in message ... > K >Not wanting to single anyone out, but why are people giving Sue grief over F >this? I doubt she wrote the web page or chose not to base the tool onH >Weeniedoze. Hurl your (deserved) abuse and distain at the pointy haired >ones who don't get it yet.  > I >Anyone got an address or two for these guys? Who makes policy on the web G >pages, for example? (AFAIK Warren just builds 'em.) If anyone wants to E >quietly share them with me so I can post them and take the flack, no 	 >problem.  >  >Shane >  >  >Sue Skonetski wrote:  >>9 >> Folks you may find the information in this URL useful.  >> >>L >http://www5.compaq.com/products/servers/management/cim-xe2-description.html >> >> This is new today.  >> >> Warm Regards, >> >> Sue >  >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 10:11:04 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0+ Message-ID: <QD0apsZxpnuq@eisner.decus.org>   Y In article <39E5E91A.54EED013@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > J > Ah, OK, I see now. So, reading source is becoming fashionable again :-).< > You have to debug the HTML before you can read the doc:-). >   F Gee, finally something that my new Moziila can do.  To bad the MozillaD build is almost as slow on my Alpha as the Netscape 6 beta was on my Mac.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 10:15:36 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0+ Message-ID: <xMwCnJaT3snN@eisner.decus.org>   g In article <39E67546.FB0FAA71@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes: $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > E > I suppose Lynx is useless here, also? (Dunno - don't have it here.)  >   D Lynx can read it, if you skip down past a page of [xxxx.gif] there's$ actually usefull text.  Mosiac, too.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:07:56 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1310001207560001@user-2ivecmp.dialup.mindspring.com>  f In article <39E67546.FB0FAA71@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > > # > > Opera 3.62 seems to read it OK.  > I > So, that's two browsers out of how many? (Opera and Internet Exploder).   H Cyberdog 2.0 on MacOS can handle the page.  But I stopped reading when I1 saw that Weendoze is required to use the product.    --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:10:42 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1310001210420001@user-2ivecmp.dialup.mindspring.com>  m In article <8s6vc9$qf8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> wrote:     N > Thank you, you are correct I had nothing to do with publishing this article. > L > I am just trying to pass along what I consider useful information.  I have6 > forwarded some of the mail messages I have received.    I Thanks for passing along the information, Sue.  You are NOT the target ofs
 our growling.    -- n Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comi   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:29:09 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>i2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0( Message-ID: <39E73855.A105D73@bbc.co.uk>   Robert Deininger wrote:   o > In article <8s6vc9$qf8$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> wrote:n >rP > > Thank you, you are correct I had nothing to do with publishing this article. > >rN > > I am just trying to pass along what I consider useful information.  I have8 > > forwarded some of the mail messages I have received. >oK > Thanks for passing along the information, Sue.  You are NOT the target oft > our growling.o  L Sure, I was aware Sue was probably not the author of the offending page, but! then she did post advertising it.E  . btw Sue, its OK I have my own balls anyway :-)   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofT MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:26:26 -0300i) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br - Subject: Compaq Sollutions Alliance - OpenVMSuL Message-ID: <OF9C316E84.B9AB35D8-ON83256977.0049A8F5@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G An important number: there are 719 companies under the Compaq Solutionst Alliance  with products for  OpenVMS.   http://www.partner.compaq.com/www-catalog/bin/catalog?key=&keytype=OR&name=&type=v&category=All&plat=P0P4P5&coname=&geo=All&market=All    
 Fabio Cardosog   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:48:15 +0100i4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>+ Subject: Re: Copying Directories via DecNetp8 Message-ID: <4vidus856rrfat610lc6hrlhfa7oj2mmha@4ax.com>  F On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:26:53 GMT, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> wrote:  ? >  You can specify DECnet node names in save-set specificationsd
 >       only.s  : You can, but do you really want /VERIFY over the network ?  H The original poster would do well to read the doco on BACKUP's /BY_OWNERG and /INTERCHANGE qualifiers, in case he ends up with files belonging too0 the wrong UIC or with completely confusing ACLs.   	Johnt -- t
 John Laird   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 09:05:22 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) + Subject: Re: Copying Directories via DecNetV+ Message-ID: <Cl1rd6LOj$B7@eisner.decus.org>e  o In article <4vidus856rrfat610lc6hrlhfa7oj2mmha@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes:tH > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:26:53 GMT, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> > wrote: > @ >>  You can specify DECnet node names in save-set specifications >>       only. > < > You can, but do you really want /VERIFY over the network ?  I That sort of depends on how much you are interested in verifying the copy0J over the network.  Personally I sometimes prefer Backup over Copy for that reason.S  I It was years ago, but at one time /VERIFY was the only check that pointed I out a faulty MassBus cable.  DEC really had to scramble to find a MassBusc8 time domain reflectometer, and this was in New England !   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:04:18 -0600 - From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com>-' Subject: Copying Directories via DecNet-; Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7681C2@DENXCH>   J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03537.9FBC8C02e Content-Type: text/plain;3 	charset="iso-8859-1"*   John Macallister wrote: H >There's another drawback I've seen with doing a backup over Decnet: the savesetpG >size.  The target node creates a small file for the saveset, then justr keeps onD >extending it.  The number of headers for the saveset file starts to
 multiple. I >All of a sudden the target system is spending more time fetching headersa than7 >writing data!  I actually observed this using MONITOR.s > I >If there's a large amount of data, break it into chunks with your BACKUPnF >command, writing several savesets.  I don't know if the target disk'sJ >parameters (or the target process's RMS defaults) can be tweaked ahead of time  >to compensate for this.  Ideas?  J I've been doing this kind of thing for years, first over DECnet or Kermit,F now using FTP much more than DECnet (but still lots of Kermit xfers ofD savesets, too).  Typically, I just build a BACKUP saveset right on aG *source* system's disk using /INTERCHANGE /BLOCK=8192 (and /VERIFY, but4J that's a habit, not a necessity, since we're not worrying about tape mediaH reliability here; note that since this is an "on-disk" saveset, we don'tF need all of BACKUP's media-error redundancy features for this purpose.: Various judicious use of BACKUP qualifiers can result in aE suitably/optimally small saveset for file transfer purposes --- savesE bandwidth and transfer time.).  J Nowadays, I'll next FTP or Kermit that saveset over to the *target* systemK and unwrap it there (Image mode for FTP!, but today's Kermit is wonderfully I capable in preserving VMS file attributes, including savesets.  Thanks tor Frank and crew!).b  2 But in the "good old days" of DECnet, I'd just do:  1   $ BACKUP srcnode::dev:[dir]foo.bck /save [*...]-  F to haul-&-replicate a directory tree over to the target node.  Maybe aH subtle point, but making the saveset on the *source* node didn't seem toI have the extent/header/size problem previously pointed out, and "pulling"yH (don't push!) the files out of the "remote" saveset works just fine overL DECnet.  Wish we could do the same over TCP/IP (FTP)... ah, what we've givenJ up for "modern" and "standard" tools, eh?  Kermit remains my most favoriteI approach nowadays, since I can haul a saveset over phone lines, LAN, WAN,! I-net, whatever.   For what it's worth ---t   Lorin Ricker  G (P.S.  My posting is "supposed" to be in plain-text... so says Outlook.-J Would somebody please shout at me again (privately, and just once, please)8 if it's still showing up as a non-p.t. posting?  thanks)  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03537.9FBC8C02  Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable-  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =y charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2650.12">b- <TITLE>Copying Directories via DecNet</TITLE>C </HEAD>  <BODY>  0 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>John Macallister wrote:</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;There's another drawback I've seen with doing a =& backup over Decnet: the saveset</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;size.&nbsp; The target node creates a small file =0* for the saveset, then just keeps on</FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;extending it.&nbsp; The number of headers for =, the saveset file starts to multiple. </FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;All of a sudden the target system is spending =& more time fetching headers than</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;writing data!&nbsp; I actually observed this =S using MONITOR.</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;If there's a large amount of data, break it into =S chunks with your BACKUP</FONT>I <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;command, writing several savesets.&nbsp; I don't =0  know if the target disk's</FONT>@ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;parameters (or the target process's RMS =- defaults) can be tweaked ahead of time</FONT>eB <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;to compensate for this.&nbsp; Ideas?</FONT> </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I've been doing this kind of thing for years, first = G over DECnet or Kermit, now using FTP much more than DECnet (but still = I lots of Kermit xfers of savesets, too).&nbsp; Typically, I just build a =cE BACKUP saveset right on a *source* system's disk using /INTERCHANGE =tH /BLOCK=3D8192 (and /VERIFY, but that's a habit, not a necessity, since =G we're not worrying about tape media reliability here; note that since =-G this is an &quot;on-disk&quot; saveset, we don't need all of BACKUP's =rA media-error redundancy features for this purpose.&nbsp; Various =tG judicious use of BACKUP qualifiers can result in a suitably/optimally =aB small saveset for file transfer purposes --- saves bandwidth and = transfer time.).</FONT></P>r  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Nowadays, I'll next FTP or Kermit that saveset over =tF to the *target* system and unwrap it there (Image mode for FTP!, but => today's Kermit is wonderfully capable in preserving VMS file =; attributes, including savesets.&nbsp; Thanks to Frank and =- crew!).</FONT></P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>But in the &quot;good old days&quot; of DECnet, I'd =  just do:</FONT>  </P>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; $ BACKUP srcnode::dev:[dir]foo.bck /save = 
 [*...]</FONT>  </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>to haul-&amp;-replicate a directory tree over to the =H target node.&nbsp; Maybe a subtle point, but making the saveset on the =B *source* node didn't seem to have the extent/header/size problem =I previously pointed out, and &quot;pulling&quot; (don't push!) the files =P< out of the &quot;remote&quot; saveset works just fine over =G DECnet.&nbsp; Wish we could do the same over TCP/IP (FTP)... ah, what =RG we've given up for &quot;modern&quot; and &quot;standard&quot; tools, =FF eh?&nbsp; Kermit remains my most favorite approach nowadays, since I =7 can haul a saveset over phone lines, LAN, WAN, I-net, =: whatever.</FONT></P>  0 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>For what it's worth ---</FONT>- <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; Lorin Ricker</FONT>s </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>(P.S.&nbsp; My posting is &quot;supposed&quot; to be =H in plain-text... so says Outlook.&nbsp; Would somebody please shout at =I me again (privately, and just once, please) if it's still showing up as = , a non-p.t. posting?&nbsp; thanks)</FONT></P>   </BODY>u </HTML>c) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03537.9FBC8C02--f   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:54:15 GMT.% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)4P Subject: Re: CTERM (not the network protocol) failed message on AlphaServer ES401 Message-ID: <39e6e89c.330793686@news.newsguy.com>a  8 On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:44:39 +0100, "Jonathan McCormack"& <McCormackJ@BelfastCity.Gov.UK> wrote:  J >Our AlphaServer ES40 died this morning with a CTERM failed message on the
 >LCD display.P > M >Can anybody expalin what this is?  Checked the manuals and Compaq's site butp >it's no help!  A As an ES40 must surely stll be under onsite warranty (at the verywE least) why not immediately call out Compaq field service? Or have yourD done that and are just posting here out of curiousity (nothing wrong with that of course)     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:33:12 +0100r: From: "Jonathan McCormack" <McCormackJ@BelfastCity.Gov.UK>P Subject: Re: CTERM (not the network protocol) failed message on AlphaServer ES40? Message-ID: <taEF5.691$NQ4.10535@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>e  2 "Alan Greig" <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote in message+ news:39e6e89c.330793686@news.newsguy.com...r: > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:44:39 +0100, "Jonathan McCormack"( > <McCormackJ@BelfastCity.Gov.UK> wrote:  C > As an ES40 must surely stll be under onsite warranty (at the very G > least) why not immediately call out Compaq field service? Or have youmF > done that and are just posting here out of curiousity (nothing wrong > with that of course) >tK Well, being a "flying by the seat of my pants kind of guy"  I just rebootedd4 it and waited to see if it crashed again (it hasn't)  L I've logged a call with Compaq about what it means, but no reply yet, so I'd just though I'd ask you guys.n   Cheers   Jonathan   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 13:12:25 GMT6 From: DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis)" Subject: DEC 3000/300 video specs?: Message-ID: <8s71np$c69$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  D 	I have a DEC 3000 Model 300 workstation.  Does anyone know what theH specs. are for the built-in video?  I would like to replace my aging DECJ monitor (originally shipped with a VAXstation 4000 VLC) with a more modernI monitor which would support the video signals from the 3000.  (A 20" SonyeJ would be ideal, if possible.)  I understand the singla is basically RGB w/H (composite?) sync. on green.  I would think there'd be more that I would> need to account for to make sure a new monitor was compatible.   Thanks,   Mike  --K              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSE N   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingJ            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityJ http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:04:24 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)g, Subject: Re: DECbrouter 90 Software V11.1(6)0 Message-ID: <009F186C.4823A049@SendSpamHere.ORG>  a In article <39E66353.988F785@bigpond.com>, Dave Sneddon - bigpond <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:n' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:C >>  r >> In article <3.0.6.32.20001012173911.0079d4f0@mail.bigpond.com>, David B Sneddon <dbsneddon@bigpond.com> writes:
 >> >Hi Folks,l >> >E >> >I have made on off-site backup copy of the above software (followsC >> >the link below).  If anyone would like to make another off-siteL4 >> >backup copy, just in case... please let me know.B >> >I have limited storage on my web site (10MB) and only have theD >> >first 4 parts there at the moment.  Maybe if ONE person (perhapsE >> >VAXman) could make a backup copy, I will remove the bits there ato0 >> >present and put the remaining 2 parts there.E >> >I also have a limit on the amount of data served from my web pager2 >> >so the fewer people that copy it the better... >> sD >> Now does anybody have DBMOP11.16, the MOP download image, for the >> DECbrouter90? >rB >If you can manage to TFTP load it, you should be able to setup to9 >do a MOP download to generate a MOP loadable version...?r  I OK.  Then I have to ask, does anybody have DBTFTP11.16, the TFTP downloade image, for the DECbrouter90?   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            oO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:43:53 +0200-0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>, Subject: Re: DECnet Support Statement, Plans* Message-ID: <39E6BD39.26AC9886@Easynet.fr>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > F >   The attached statement is from the DECnet product manager, BarbaraF >   Karten.  If you have questions or comments, please contact Barbara+ >   directly at the attached email address.r >  ../.. F >  "Training for DECnet is included in the OpenVMS training, which can' > be found at www.compaq.com/training".-  E The first one of you all who finds the word DECnet in course 904, 906.F and 922 (or any others) from the following link, wins a freee stay forJ two persons (travel excluded :-) at DEChtel III in Toulouse for one week.  * http://www5.compaq.com/training/cd-os.html   D.   (I'll get in touch with her).e   ------------------------------   Date: 13 OCT 00 11:47:41 GMT From: stange@bessy.des= Subject: Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paketi' Message-ID: <13OCT00.11474141@bessy.de>-  G In a previous article, Peter Stange <Peter.Stange@mail.bessy.de> wrote:n   ------------------------------   Date: 13 OCT 00 12:36:42 GMT From: stange@bessy.deg= Subject: Re: Determinig remote IP address of a datagram paketn' Message-ID: <13OCT00.12364267@bessy.de>t   Hello.  " Please forget my previous message.  @ I find a solution in perl to get the remote IP address of an UDP> paket. The orginal source is from the perl documentation and a# little bit modified for my problem.u  > In DCL i find no solution to determinig the remote IP address.   Thanks for your help.n  	 Greetingsg           Peter Stange       #!/usr/bin/perl -w     use strict;i     require 5.002;     use Socket;i  (     my ( $hisiaddr, $hispaddr, $histime,/          $rhost, $iaddr, $paddr, $port, $proto,0          $rin, $rout, $data);e       $port = 1301;u  ,     $paddr = sockaddr_in($port, INADDR_ANY);#     $proto = getprotobyname('udp');o  /     socket(SOCKET, PF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM, $proto)s         || die "socket: $!";     bind(SOCKET, $paddr)         || die "bind: $!";           $| = 1;        $rin = '';%     vec($rin, fileno(SOCKET), 1) = 1;l  7     while (select($rout = $rin, undef, undef, undef)) {o         $data = '';e/         ($hispaddr = recv(SOCKET, $data, 4, 0))h"                 || die "recv: $!";4         ($port, $hisiaddr) = sockaddr_in($hispaddr);3         $rhost = gethostbyaddr($hisiaddr, AF_INET); B         printf "%s ... starting \@vxt\$server.com for node: %s\n",+                 scalar localtime(), $rhost;u@         system "\@vxt\$library:vxt\$server.com $rhost TCPIP 0 0"&                 || die "system: $!"; ;     }t      H ------------------------------------------------------------------------C  Peter Stange                             | Phone: +49-30-6392-4743 C  BESSY                                    | DECT:  +49-30-6392-2983-C  Berliner Elektronenspeicherring          | FAX:   +49-30-6392-2939pH  Gesellschaft f. 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 confirmation.9  D If you have received this communication in error, or if any problemsB occur in transmission please notify us immediately by telephone on +49 (0)30 6392 4743g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:37:29 +0000j From: nclews@csc.com( Subject: EF52 backup battery replacement@ Message-ID: <OFFF30433F.933B30BF-ON00256977.004492F2@eu.csc.com>  0 Note: I posted this a week or 2 back on our news2 server but it appears to have failed to propagate.   Hi,e  C I'm posting this for general information. The EF52 is a 200MB solidhH state disk drive which has an internal drive which backs up the data. ItI is a standard 5 1/4 'disk' fitting into an RF bay in suitable hardware. A B 'disk' that operates at memory speed. There may be other variants.  E The backup battery that powers the drive when it loses power is builtmG into the disk itself, and being constructed of Ni-Cad cells, eventually-D fails. I have one of these disks with failed cells, the symptoms areH errors logged every few hours or so, and when the cells fail completely,C the disk is write protected all the time. I dismantled the drive tos replace the cells.  D The battery is nominal 8.4 volts, made up of 7 x 1.2 cells. OriginalA equipment rating is 1.2v 1200mAh Digital part number 12-37620-01.5  G The replacement cells are type AF, roughly 49mm long and 15mm wide. ThecF cells I got had 'opposing tags', rated 1.2 volts 1400mAh. I'm gratefulD to CPC in the UK for running backwards and forwards to the stores toB find the matching cells, so a quick plug www.cpc.co.uk, their partG number is BT00167 at GBP 1.64 ex VAT. You must use Ni-Cads, not NiMH ornG others as the charging characteristics are different and need differentg	 chargers.c  H Open up the disk drive, remove the RF slides and rear connectors. LocateG the 4 screws on the top sides, remove, and the front and top panel willeC come off as one piece. There is a screw securing the old battery inoG roughly centre on one side, remove this. A small thin blade screwdriveriG should let you release the battery connector, white plastic 5 way (likeC2 an RF power connector). Pull out the battery pack.  G Split the old battery pack carefully, you'll need some of the bits fromdA it. Gently split the 'top' 7th cell as there is a glass componentAF (Zener? Thermistor?) under it. At the positive end of the battery (andF the 'top' 7th cell) there is another component which has a lead to it.H Use a pair of pliers to ease off the tag from the cell. Finally desolder- the power leads from the ends of the battery.   H Make up your new battery similar style to the old battery. With opposingF tags, a small bit of wire between each solder tag, secure the cells inB place and shape with insulation tape, and solder. All cells are inG series ( - to + to - to + etc.). Best to make up two blocks of 3 first.eH Then put the cells together so that the solder tags are toppermost, thenF link and solder them. Insulate all the exposed tags connected to other tags.n  C At the other end, take the removed components, lay the little glass F thing in the centre gully, and the wire for the positive and the otherF positive tag component. Place the 7th cell on top, tape into position,H connect the negative tag to the last positive tag of the lower part, andG the positive wire (RED) to the positive tag, and the component with the F brown wire to the positive tag as well, bit tricky. Finally solder theG BLACK wire to the negative tag of the bottom row of cells. You may findmG it easier to put the top cell back a little, more towards the centre ofnD the cell than the original, this is OK as there is room in the drive bay.  D Insulate all the exposed tags, and secure with more insulation tape.F Don't go overboard, so that the cells are afforded some cooling. (Heat kills NiCads).  E You may find that the cells will no longer go back in as the securing0F bracket won't allow the width of the new pack. If this happens, removeH the 4 screws securing the 'backup' disk drive to allow you to remove theD bracket with some long nosed pliers. Then refix the 4 drive securingG screws. The battery pack should fit back in nicely, reconnect, and makeeD sure it looks and feels secure. Refit the top cover and the RF slide? mounts, then reconnect the ISE connectors and front panel lead.<  G I would guesstimate you'll need to have the system powered up for aboutsB 24 hours to charge the cells. There are a whole load of parametersG against the ISE which appear to be related to the fact it is a 'memory's? disk drive, but I'm not sure what they do (SET HOST/DSSI or SET>) HOST/DUP/SERVER=MSCP$DUP, SHOW /BSS etc.)n  G I would imagine there is an inverter which generates the +12 and +/- 5VFH required by the drive during power failure conditions. I also guess thatD a DISMOUNT/UNLOAD will force the data to be backed up, but I have noC paperwork/documentation to this effect. Perhaps the RUN button alsoI0 controls this. (Little subtle request for info!)  G As to how long the charge will last, I'm not sure. I probably do not do>G the drive any favours, because I usually have the system powered on for H only a few (2-3) hours at a time, so I'd guess I need to have the system0 on for around 18-24 hours every once in a while.  H Anyway, hope this information is useful to hobbyists if they come acrossE one of these drives. Gosh, didn't I have an exciting weekend while it * was pouring with rain? Later on, I went toH http://www.bolton.org.uk/mossbank.html with my daughter and niece but it was raining there as well!   Regards, -- Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciencesr1 email : n c l e w s   a t   c s c   d o t   c o m    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:54:15 -0400=2 From: "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com>+ Subject: Extending LATNET over dial-up linei+ Message-ID: <8s77mo$80m$1@bob.news.rcn.net>'  L Need to extend a LATNET network into a temporary warehouse (~ 1 year?) for aL couple of ascii terminals and one or two queued, low-usage, printers.  WouldK like to use an 8 port 90L+ Terminal Server (have a couple unused sitting inOK a closet) at the warehouse end and would like to connect to main LATNET viao POTS dial-up telephone line.  I Any thoughts would be appreciated.  Detailed thoughts are really, really,l appreciated. :)e   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 17:08:54 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line'5 Message-ID: <8s7fj6$35$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>;  ` In article <8s77mo$80m$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> writes:M :Need to extend a LATNET network into a temporary warehouse (~ 1 year?) for aoM :couple of ascii terminals and one or two queued, low-usage, printers.  WouldeL :like to use an 8 port 90L+ Terminal Server (have a couple unused sitting inL :a closet) at the warehouse end and would like to connect to main LATNET via :POTS dial-up telephone line.o  '   LAT is not a routed network protocol.a  M   Either bridge or switch the LAN (if you have a sufficiently high bandwidth hK   link) and effectively extend LAT and other non-routed protocols out into lO   the target environment, or look at hanging some sort of mux off the terminal T2   server(s) and use the dial-up or similar link.    I   Other options include fractional T1, ASDL, IDSN or similar link betweenyF   the sites, and/or use of a routed protocol such as IP over the link.  E   Some DECserver boxes also support PPP or similar connections on the ;   serial-line side, and IP connections on the network side.i  K   56 Kilobits per second (and only one way at a time) is the best you will 5J   get on a dial-up circuit, and that's only ever going to happen downhill K   with a strong tailwind -- further, most any serial printer can chew up a  L   sizeable chunk of that bandwidth.  (I've seen relatively few dialups ever K   running faster than roughly 28Kb, too -- the top speed is very dependent a7   on the quality of the individual telephone circuits.)O  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:32:49 -0400 2 From: "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com>/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up linet+ Message-ID: <8s7h03$drv$1@bob.news.rcn.net>t  J In this particular case I'm happy to run the printer(s) (max of 2) at 4800I bps and the terminal(s) (max of 2) at 9600.  With a mux at each end and ac9 decent dial-up, well, it should work okay - do you think?M      = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageg/ news:8s7fj6$35$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com...r >cA > In article <8s77mo$80m$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Carmine Castiglia"e  <ccastiglia@engsint.com> writes:I > :Need to extend a LATNET network into a temporary warehouse (~ 1 year?)k for asH > :couple of ascii terminals and one or two queued, low-usage, printers. WouldtK > :like to use an 8 port 90L+ Terminal Server (have a couple unused sittingv inJ > :a closet) at the warehouse end and would like to connect to main LATNET viah > :POTS dial-up telephone line.  >f) >   LAT is not a routed network protocol.  >uD >   Either bridge or switch the LAN (if you have a sufficiently high	 bandwidth L >   link) and effectively extend LAT and other non-routed protocols out intoG >   the target environment, or look at hanging some sort of mux off the- terminal2 >   server(s) and use the dial-up or similar link. >tK >   Other options include fractional T1, ASDL, IDSN or similar link between7H >   the sites, and/or use of a routed protocol such as IP over the link. >rG >   Some DECserver boxes also support PPP or similar connections on the = >   serial-line side, and IP connections on the network side.e >iL >   56 Kilobits per second (and only one way at a time) is the best you willK >   get on a dial-up circuit, and that's only ever going to happen downhilluL >   with a strong tailwind -- further, most any serial printer can chew up aH >   sizeable chunk of that bandwidth.  (I've seen relatively few dialups everL >   running faster than roughly 28Kb, too -- the top speed is very dependent9 >   on the quality of the individual telephone circuits.)i >e, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------M1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringy hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:43:35 -0700-+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>r/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line,( Message-ID: <39E749C7.A201DB5F@mmaz.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:-  b > In article <8s77mo$80m$1@bob.news.rcn.net>, "Carmine Castiglia" <ccastiglia@engsint.com> writes:O > :Need to extend a LATNET network into a temporary warehouse (~ 1 year?) for aCO > :couple of ascii terminals and one or two queued, low-usage, printers.  WouldBN > :like to use an 8 port 90L+ Terminal Server (have a couple unused sitting inN > :a closet) at the warehouse end and would like to connect to main LATNET via > :POTS dial-up telephone line.r >f) >   LAT is not a routed network protocol.e > N >   Either bridge or switch the LAN (if you have a sufficiently high bandwidthL >   link) and effectively extend LAT and other non-routed protocols out intoP >   the target environment, or look at hanging some sort of mux off the terminal2 >   server(s) and use the dial-up or similar link.  a We ran LAT over a 56k frame relay circuit, with dial-up backup, for three years.  This wasn't for.[ technical reasons, but economical since we couldn't afford anything else at that time.  LAT9c connections for terminals and printers ran flawless and even with the circuit was loading down withed file transfers, we never had a problem with session timeouts.  I know that this smacks with what DECa used to state about the timing sensitivity, but it solved an immediate problem.  I still have the A CSU/DSU's and bridges, if you want to talk about this off-line...e   Barrye   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO-  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028<   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:06:25 +0100e  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS+ Message-ID: <VA.000000fb.20d35c07@sture.ch>e  < In article <39E3FA59.A64DEF90@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei wrote:/ > From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms 2 > Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS' > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 01:28:28 -0400p >  > John Santos wrote:1 > > Out of curiosity, does W2K run on 486's?  ;-)o > P > Run ? no. Maybe walk, or limp along. Probably slower than VMS on an all mighty > Microvax II. :-) >xL How much memory did 486s typically support? IIRC W2K needs 96 or 128MB as a  minimum.  O I once challenged a PC guy to benchmark his 33MHz DX 486 against my VAXstation -N 2000 on a variety of computable stuff. He was using QBASIC, I was using COBOL.  K I thrashed him by large orders of magnitude :-) Interestingly, his results e varied quite wildly.  O OK I cheated, as I kept quiet about interpreters vs compiled languages, but it - made a rather good point :-) ___G
 Paul Sture Switzerlandg   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:07:41 GMT-$ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark)< Subject: How can I set breakpoint on overloaded constructor?. Message-ID: <39e6cf23.3733288@news.force9.net>   Hi,.  D I am using Compaq C++ V6.2-035 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H2 and I need> to set a breakpoint on an overloaded constructor.  However the< debugger does not appear to behave as per the documentation.  0 I have a class IGLMailbox with two constructors:' IGLMailbox::IGLMailbox(char*,char*) and % IGLMailbox::IGLMailbox(char*, uint32)h  - when I type "SHOW SYMBOL IGLMailbox" I get :-d   overloaded name IGLMailbox9        instance IGLMailbox::IGLMailbox: #(char *, char *)s9        instance IGLMailbox::IGLMailbox: #(char *, uint32)( routine IGLMailbox routine IGLMailbox  5 If I try to set a breakpoint the following happens :-i   DBG> set break IGLMailbox|4 %DEBUG-E-NOUNIQUE, symbol 'IGLMailbox' is not unique   Please help & TIAo
 Mark Williams1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:45:49 -0000t- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)t@ Subject: Re: How can I set breakpoint on overloaded constructor?/ Message-ID: <suef1tndompraf@news.supernews.com>t  K mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark) wrote in <39e6cf23.3733288@news.force9.net>:s   >Hi, >oE >I am using Compaq C++ V6.2-035 for OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-1H2 and I needy? >to set a breakpoint on an overloaded constructor.  However the = >debugger does not appear to behave as per the documentation.- >-1 >I have a class IGLMailbox with two constructors:P( >IGLMailbox::IGLMailbox(char*,char*) and  
 -- snip --  J I've forgotten the details, but check the SET SCOPE debugger command, and 6 the ways of specifying scope in the SET BREAK command.   ws   -- 33 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:43:00 GMT  From: blasthand@my-deja.comi' Subject: Image backup & dns$cache filesP) Message-ID: <8s73h4$iji$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   & Can anyone through some light on this.  0 Image backup that runs every night on the system/ disk. The backup completes (checked the savesete. listing) but for the last couple of nights the! log file contains the following:-    %backup-e-openin, error openingh& disk:[]dns$cache.0000029487;1 as input" -system-w-nosuchfile, no such file   %backup-e-openin, error opening, disk:[]dns$cache.version;29466 -system-w-nosuchfile  ( These files are definately not present:-  $ $ dir disk:[sys%.sysexe]dns$cache*.*   Directory disk:[sys0.sysexe]  / dns$cache.0000008023;1   dns$cache.0000029513;1e dns$cache.version;29491n   Directory disk:[sys2.sysexe]  / dns$cache.0000008014;1   dns$cache.0000029502;1  dns$cache.version;29481i  - My feeling is that between backup reading thea- file details from the indexf.sys and actuallyr1 backing them up the dns clerk has already deletedu/ the versions that the indexf.sys pointed to and - replaced it with a new versions of the files.r    Is there a way I can avoid this?  
 Thanks, Mark.n    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:42:00 -0700r+ From: "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov>e( Subject: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001013072829.00af4de0@poptop.llnl.gov>  
 Greetings,K I've got a 433 au (Personal Workstation) that was AlphaNT. I've loaded the 'I latest firmware (VMS  PALcode 1.20-16) and have the SRM console (>>>) up iD and OStype set to VMS. There are 2 scsi hdd's on the system (id 0 & * 1).  The cd appears to be ide using ATAPI.  K When I try to load VMS 7.2-1 by booting the cdrom it starts to boot, writeso, "... Open VMS 7.2-1..." to the screen then, H "init_io_db_cfg_dev_not_found  A device on the boot line or in BOOT_DEV K cannot be found in the config tables... ignoring the device... not loading w the driver."  I The system then halts, starts to reboot and repeats this message forever.   6 Any ideas on how to overcome this problem are welcome.   Thanks for the help.)                                rich frankn  I It appears that VMS is not recognizing the cdrom, but it is loading some v
 data from it.l   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 11:14:21 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)- Subject: internet connection at home with VMSh. Message-ID: <8s6qqd$h52$2@info.service.rug.nl>  E I started collecting information on this about 18 months ago.  Other  I circumstances have intervened, but now I REALLY am about to set up a VMS uE connection at home.  Since 18 months is an eternity in IT land, it's e$ probably best to start from scratch.  B What I want are a few static IP addresses and a dial-in as well asF dial-out on demand setup (or, if it's not much more expensive, a real C permanent connection).  My machines should at least think they are dC permanently connected to the internet over IP, and from outside it l should look like this as well.  @ 18 months ago, the best solution seemed to be an ISDN router in I conjunction with an ISDN line.  What about using television cable?  What r# about ADSL or whatever it's called?f  G I might have an extra Intel-PC sitting around at some point.  What are ZG the pros and cons of using that as a router, running linux, as opposed   to a "real" ISDN router?  H Presumably, there has to be SOMETHING between the ISDN line or whatever < and the VMS box (perhaps not in principle, but in practice).  C I don't want to be tied to a specific provider, so the whole thing hB should be set up such that I could easily switch.  Presumably, IP H numbers belong to the provider, but I guess I could switch these easily G enough if the provider (or in principle someone else) put my machines,  I or at least my own DNS server, into his DNS records.  Certainly it would tC probably be better to register domain names etc independent of the s	 provider.n  H Is there a FAQ for all this somewhere (if not for VMS at home, at least E for the domain-name registration business)?  If necessary, take into i' account that this will be from Germany.t     --M Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nlpM Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.uk,M Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647yM Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100.M NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/e  5 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.   N <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>  = Reward: one month of salary (yours or mine---take your pick)!d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:12:59 GMTl= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) 1 Subject: Re: internet connection at home with VMS 0 Message-ID: <009F1875.DD0C1124@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <8s6qqd$h52$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:sF >I started collecting information on this about 18 months ago.  Other J >circumstances have intervened, but now I REALLY am about to set up a VMS F >connection at home.  Since 18 months is an eternity in IT land, it's % >probably best to start from scratch.w >dC >What I want are a few static IP addresses and a dial-in as well asoG >dial-out on demand setup (or, if it's not much more expensive, a real sD >permanent connection).  My machines should at least think they are D >permanently connected to the internet over IP, and from outside it  >should look like this as well.r >sA >18 months ago, the best solution seemed to be an ISDN router in nJ >conjunction with an ISDN line.  What about using television cable?  What $ >about ADSL or whatever it's called? >tH >I might have an extra Intel-PC sitting around at some point.  What are H >the pros and cons of using that as a router, running linux, as opposed  >to a "real" ISDN router?   ! See discussion of routers below. l  I >Presumably, there has to be SOMETHING between the ISDN line or whatever g= >and the VMS box (perhaps not in principle, but in practice).  >eD >I don't want to be tied to a specific provider, so the whole thing C >should be set up such that I could easily switch.  Presumably, IP iI >numbers belong to the provider, but I guess I could switch these easily wH >enough if the provider (or in principle someone else) put my machines, J >or at least my own DNS server, into his DNS records.  Certainly it would D >probably be better to register domain names etc independent of the 
 >provider. > I >Is there a FAQ for all this somewhere (if not for VMS at home, at least sF >for the domain-name registration business)?  If necessary, take into ( >account that this will be from Germany.  H This subject has been visited here from time to time.  There are severalG devices on the market here in the US (and I would assume available out-eH side the US too with appropriate mods for other countries' standards) toF allow you to connect to dial-up, ISDN, xDSL and cable with ease.  ManyF of these same devices provide NAT/routing for several (4 and sometimesG more) machines sharing the single connection.  These devices offer both-H DHCP servers as well as ways to disable the DHCP and use your own static IP definitions.H  G 3com offers their "OfficeConnect" line of products for dialup and ISDN. I They can be configured to dial in and stay connected, or to time out and n dial on demand.r  G In the xDSL and cable realm, the DSL and cable modems typically providenG a 10base connection.  Thus, on your network side, you don't really knowrG the difference -- cable or xDSL.  Several companies have "routers" thataG also provide NAT connection sharing.  Linksys, Ugate, and others permit)G several devices (more if you uplink to a larger hub) to share this con- > nection.  Again, DCHP or static address configuration options.  I There are limitations to NAT which may or may not be a hinderance to you.n  E The aforementioned solutions can be had in the US$100 to US$250 pricel range.  G On the high end, there are Cisco routers (or some similar router) which G can be connected to the appropriate interface (csu/dsu for example) and F then to various dedicated services.  Such services can usually get youG a set of IP addresses (usually subnetted from a larger set owned by theoE provider) which you can then assign to your machines.  Prices on thiseG sort of server vary widely but, in general, are far pricier that any of * the dialup, ISDN, xDSL and cable options.   E You may be able to get a single static IP and a DNS advertisement forgF it from a dialup, ISDN, xDSL or cable provider.  If you use the routerF which provides NAT, you can have a machine which will be able to serveF as a webserver, SMTP server, FTP server, etc. and still connect insideG to all of your machines.  With the NAT router, if the connection to thelE outside world is unavailable, your inside network is still available.iD With NAT, you can also switch providers (which would likely mean youD would get a new IP address) or use a provider which leases addressesB via DHCP without having to reconfigure the machines and addressing scheme you use internally.  E I wanted to do a session on just this at the CETS symposium but I was$F very dissatisfied with most of the vendors of these devices when I wasE trying to get the session together.  Linksys, for example, after sit-6E ting on the phone on hold for 3.5 hours (thankfully, it was their 800kD number) I was asked what operating system I was using.  I said VMS. H The person on the phone said, "that is not supported" and hund up.  Sub-E sequent calls and eMails to their support got me nowhere fast.  Thus, H I decided to NOT endorse, or make it appear that I would endorse, any ofG these vendors.  Be forwarded!  If you go with any of these devices, theaF vendors will be less then amicable unless you tell them you run Billy-G warez even though most of the issues you may have are totally unrelated)3 to the operating system of the devices you connect.i   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:29:48 +0000o From: nclews@csc.com1 Subject: RE: Internet connection at home with VMS-@ Message-ID: <OFD00A4320.F82C1123-ON00256977.00473E27@eu.csc.com>  1 I have been wearing this T-shirt since 1994 and I 1 even have a web cam. This is in the UK, you don't 1 make it clear if it is UK or DK based. Your email . suggests Holland, where Demon have a presence.  2 I'm a customer of DEMON (www.demon.net) in the UK.2 They work on having fixed IP addresses, however IP0 theory suggests that even if you used DHCP, that0 your domain name should be correctly resolved by. the DNS server to whatever IP address you are.  2 Questions to ask yourself. Do you need a permanent/ connection or a periodic (dial-up). What speed.n  1 For permanent, I'd consider ADSL. With Demon, you 5 pay GBP 150 for installation, you get a 10Mb etherneti3 router and (IIRC) 5 IP addresses. Rental from BT isl0 GBP 50 per month, and it does not interfere with0 the telephone. I don't know if normal phone line rental is included.   2 I do not believe you need *anything* between a VMS5 box with an IP package and the internet apart from an 8 appropriate interface (SLIP/PPP/Ethernet/...). Firewalls/ again are optional. You'll come across a routerg2 somewhere or other, and you'll need to know how to! correctly set up your IP package.o  4 Bear in mind that under the IP protocol you can have. some 'private' IP addresses, at home, only one4 member of my 3 node cluster has a 'real' IP address,7 the others have 192.168.x.x addresses, as does the resta4 of my equipment on my home LAN. It's a cluster, so I# only need to connect to one system.n  / I believe that the OSU webserver can be used too7 'proxy' but I've not had much success (or time) so far.i+ (anyone else?) This would allow access fromr your Intel system etc.  8 Finally, not being tied to an ISP is going to be tricky.- Register yourself a domain and make sure thath4 whoever you choose can host it for you, but this may8 well cost money. I've been a satisfied customer of Demon6 for some years now, with the 'free' ISP's you get what you pay for.  1 Domain registration can be done by many, but ISPs69 can do this for you and you lose a level of complication..  8 You are not alone with VMS at home connected to the 'net0 I'm sure.  Reply to me personally, or at my home1 email (linked from www dot python dot demon.co.ukl8 for more details. Note that web address is antispammed!)  ) Regards, Nic Clews, CSC Computer Scienceso nclews at csc dot comt   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 12:50:22 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)1 Subject: RE: Internet connection at home with VMSt. Message-ID: <8s70ee$itc$2@info.service.rug.nl>  @ In article <OFD00A4320.F82C1123-ON00256977.00473E27@eu.csc.com>, nclews@csc.com writes:    3 > I have been wearing this T-shirt since 1994 and I-3 > even have a web cam. This is in the UK, you don't23 > make it clear if it is UK or DK based. Your emailR0 > suggests Holland, where Demon have a presence.  C I normally use a Dutch or English Email address (I used to work in eE England but now work in the Netherlands) but I'm talking about doing . something from home in Germany!   4 > I'm a customer of DEMON (www.demon.net) in the UK.4 > They work on having fixed IP addresses, however IP2 > theory suggests that even if you used DHCP, that2 > your domain name should be correctly resolved by0 > the DNS server to whatever IP address you are.  H I'll have to read up on that and how it relates to the question of just H registering one machine with someone else and running my own DNS server 
 for the rest.a  4 > Questions to ask yourself. Do you need a permanent1 > connection or a periodic (dial-up). What speed.   I Speed is, at least for now, not an issue.  It needs to at least have the aF look and feel of being permanent, especially being accessible over IP  from the outside.s  3 > For permanent, I'd consider ADSL. With Demon, youu7 > pay GBP 150 for installation, you get a 10Mb ethernete5 > router and (IIRC) 5 IP addresses. Rental from BT iso2 > GBP 50 per month, and it does not interfere with2 > the telephone. I don't know if normal phone line > rental is included.    Sounds reasonable.  4 > I do not believe you need *anything* between a VMS7 > box with an IP package and the internet apart from anr1 > appropriate interface (SLIP/PPP/Ethernet/...).    % With ADSL, this seems to be the case.o   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 09:12:12 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)p1 Subject: Re: Internet connection at home with VMSn* Message-ID: <8s71nc$a6i$1@lisa.gemair.com>  @ In article <OFD00A4320.F82C1123-ON00256977.00473E27@eu.csc.com>,  <nclews@csc.com> wrote:- >I have been wearing this T-shirt since 1994 y  2 Hmmn... You really should change it once in awhile- to wash it or at least inspect for insects.  o  3 >                                             and Ik >even have a web cam.   3 Oh, no thanks, I don't think I want to see you with # that shirt you've worn for 6 years.(   > [snip] >t* >Regards, Nic Clews, CSC Computer Sciences >nclews at csc dot com >s >-   -Jordan Hendersone jordan@greenapple.coma   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 11:07:23 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig), Subject: Internetzugang zu Hause von VMS aus. Message-ID: <8s6qdb$h52$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E This message is in German since it is only of interest to people who n live in Germany.  B Wie man in meinem anderen Post von heute nachlesen kann, komme ichF endlich dazu, mich von zu Hause aus ans Internet anzubinden von meinenG VMS-Kisten aus.  Auer den technischen Fragen, die dort auftauchen, binhG ich interessiert an Firmen, die so etwas anbieten.  Vor etwa anderthalb G Jahren, als ich hiermit anfing, bin ich auf zwei Firmen gestoen.  Die 0G Preisunterschiede waren erheblich, also lohnt wahrscheinlich die Suche $ nach anderen Firmen.  H Wer kennt Firmen, mglichst selbst mit Ahnung von VMS, die mir so etwas  anbieten knnen?  F Ich bin damals von ISDN ausgegangen.  Heutzutage gibt es zumindest in ? manchen Gebieten ADSL oder so etwas.  Die Telekom bietet einen iG gewhnlichen Internetzugang fr DM 49,-- als flatrate an.  Das war vor dF anderthalb Jahren undenkbar.  Lohnt es sich, danach zu forschen?  Was > ist mit Fernsehkabel---so etwas habe ich schon in der Wohnung.     --M Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nlsM Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.uksM Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647 M Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100 M NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/s  5 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.   N <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>  = Reward: one month of salary (yours or mine---take your pick)!h   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 16:43:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: Internetzugang zu Hause von VMS aus6 Message-ID: <8s7e39$t1u$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8s6qdb$h52$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:eG :Ich bin damals von ISDN ausgegangen.  Heutzutage gibt es zumindest in  @ :manchen Gebieten ADSL oder so etwas.  Die Telekom bietet einen : :gewhnlichen Internetzugang fr DM 49,-- als flatrate an.  /   Einen externen Netzfrser mit ADSL oder ISDN?s  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:41:10 -0500c- From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com>iC Subject: Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?e1 Message-ID: <39E71F06.46B779DD@email.sps.mot.com>v  G I could be wrong here (happens all the time), but I believe you need to 6 set ALLOCLASS to a non-zero value to MSCP serve disks.   Bruce Vinson   sms@antinode.org wrote:e > J >    My AlpSta 200 4/233 ("ALP", VMS V7.2) has been up for a couple weeks.G > I just booted my VAXstation 3138 ("WUSS", VMS V7.2) into the cluster.nB > It should be serving its disks, but the Alpha does not see them. > (Slightly edited): >  > WUSS $ sh dev dh > R > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntR > ALP$DKA0:               Mounted              0  VMS072ALP      1171359     2   2R > ALP$DKA200:             Mounted              0  ALP_SCSI_2     2971935     1   2R > WUSS$DKA200:            Mounted              1  VMS062WUSS     1033626   343   1R > WUSS$DKA300:            Mounted              1  WUSS_SCSI_3    2886543    15   1 >   > WUSS $ sh dev /fu WUSS$DKA200: > L > Disk WUSS$DKA200:, device type SEAGATE ST11200N, is online, mounted, file-R >     oriented device, shareable, served to cluster via MSCP Server, error logging >     is enabled.a > [...]n > 8 >    Apparently served, but the Alpha does not admit it. >  > ALP $ sh dev d > R > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count CntR > ALP$DKA0:               Mounted              0  VMS072ALP      1171359   532   2R > ALP$DKA200:             Mounted              0  ALP_SCSI_2     2971935     1   2 > H >    While I'm at it, the tapes don't work either way.  On both systems,' > TMSCP_LOAD and TMSCP_SERVE_ALL are 1.o >  > WUSS $ sh dev mk > R > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt0 > WUSS$MKA100:            Online               0 >  > WUSS $ sh dev /fu mk > Q > Magtape WUSS$MKA100:, device type TK50, is online, file-oriented device, servedbL >     to cluster via TMSCP Server, error logging is enabled, device supports >     fastskip.o > 8 >    Apparently served, but the Alpha does not admit it. >  > ALP $ sh dev mku > R > Device                  Device           Error    Volume         Free  Trans MntR >  Name                   Status           Count     Label        Blocks Count Cnt0 > ALP$MKA100:             Online               0 >  > ALP $ sh dev /fu mkoO > Magtape ALP$MKA100:, device type EXABYTE EXB-850085BANXR7, is online, record-rM >     oriented device, file-oriented device, error logging is enabled, devicer >     supports fastskip. > [...]d >  >    Apparently not served.- > H >    Back when the VAX was at VMS V6.2, I did not have problems with theH > disks.  (I can't recall the tape situation.)  Any sage advice would beH > welcome.  (The 4GB disk on the VAX may be dying, and I'd like to get aJ > backup on the 8mm tape rather than the TK50, preferably without swapping4 > devices.)  Am I missing something obvious (again)? > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)lE >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)eI >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)e; >    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)t   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 09:50:56 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Java on Openvms+ Message-ID: <lzeXacNd4v12@eisner.decus.org>t  v In article <tV7F5.342$Ef1.14947@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:H > Thanks Eric, Arne and Hoff for your answers.  I am getting excited nowM > because VMS is getting a real second look in our shop.  I now have a lot too > learn about Java.a > J > Now for "stupid question time".   The Installation notes on the web (for) > version 1.2.2-1)says that Java REQUIRESe) > Alpha VMS 7.2-1 and TCP/IP version 4.1.S > L > It doesn't say "at least V4.1"   it says "V4.1".  Is that a mistake?   VMSH > 7.2-1 requires TCP/IP V 5.0.   I will be proceeding assuming that is a' > mistake and that TCP/IP V 5.0A is ok.n >   F I've had no problems running Java 1.1.8, 1.2. something (the beta), orG 1.2.2 (final) with Multinet 4.2A and 4.3.  My code depends on properly  A working sockets, I think I would trip if one of these had failed.l  F VMS is now my primary Java development platform.  I just wish I didn'tH have to have so many files in stream-lf.  Edit-compile-line-run had beenG replaced by edit-convert/fdl-compile-run, and I'm constantly needing toaH set file/attributes on .class and .zip files I FTP from other platforms.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyinga   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:29:43 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>vB Subject: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web6 Message-ID: <8s6v4r$qel$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  5 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmlN   Your comments welcome.  
 Warm Regards,t  
 Sue Skonetskit editor   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 09:40:37 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX userso+ Message-ID: <XMJ4aT8YJE4S@eisner.decus.org>x  r In article <9G5F5.47095$tn.864257@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>, "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: > : > "Dave Pampreen" <davepampreen@home.com> wrote in message8 > news:%55F5.35009$hD4.8613532@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com...M >> I thought I had read that they would have VAX support for at least 5 or 10e >> more years? >> > 7 > Sure they will. But at what price? It's time to go...  >   C And do what with my DRQ3B interface boards, or the hardware they're  attached to?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationg= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupsE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 09:43:25 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX userst+ Message-ID: <nEVgNgHLat0H@eisner.decus.org>o  a In article <uE7eXh#MAHA.327@cpmsnbbsa09>, "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> writes:a > L > Admittedly I haven't used Ada (even if I do have it on my hobbyist system)K > since college . . . however I thought I some something awhile back to theuJ > affect that Ada (Ada 83) is consider a mature product under OpenVMS (and, > that it's already been retired for Tru64).  D With many thousand lines of Ada 83 currently supported by one personE part time I hardly think I'm going to get funds for a replacement forn8 my old trusty VAX Ada compiler.  So what if it's mature.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporations= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupsE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:49:20 +0000a From: nclews@csc.com) Subject: Re: Migrating the last VAX userst@ Message-ID: <OF0D4F4D44.17FB137F-ON00256977.004B2028@eu.csc.com>   >Howard S Stubbs wrote:. >h  >"Tough". Figure out a solution.   Howard,p  ; This aircraft you see sat on the runway. It's a fly-by-wire 1 system and we developed the software on an Alpha. 9 Unfortunately we've not been able to test it fully (can'tl< say why, top secret) but we'd like you to be the test pilot.  	 Fancy it?)  6 (We don't tell them how to write flight software, they6 don't' tell us how to run the computers. But they have 'requirements'.)  ) Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences.e6 (The 4th post? What have the Romans ever done for us?)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:30:36 +02000; From: "Andreas Safranek" <andreas.safranek@sea.ericsson.se>a Subject: No system password.... Message-ID: <8s6d80$pr0$1@newstoo.ericsson.se>      Hello  L Ive a MicroVAX 2000 and no System password, i tried 2 methodes to crack teh	 password.o  I One is from: http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5h   And the other one is:.  4 1. Conversational Boot, set UAFALTERNATE 1, Continue$ 2. Logon with SYSTEM and no password9 3. Set Logical SYSUAF to normal UAF-File, change passwordh    ; BOTH of these didnt work, i dont know whtat do do now !?!v   Thanks for helpd   Andreas Safranek [ERICSSON]a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:32:40 +0300h0 From: "Teijo Forsell" <teijo.forsell@compaq.com>" Subject: Re: No system password...6 Message-ID: <8s7dgb$t1q$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K > One is from: http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5i > = > BOTH of these didnt work, i dont know whtat do do now !?!l >d  K Would You mind telling what was wrong with the MGMT5 method? It is regardede@ as bullet proof method of getting privileged access to a system.   Regards, Teijow   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 16:33:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: No system password...6 Message-ID: <8s7dhh$t1u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <8s6d80$pr0$1@newstoo.ericsson.se>, "Andreas Safranek" <andreas.safranek@sea.ericsson.se> writes:M :I've a MicroVAX 2000 and no System password, i tried 2 methodes to crack teht
 :password. :nJ :One is from: http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5  H   A sequence which has worked in every instance that I have tried it in.  J   The second sequence attempted is known to NOT WORK in all cases.  (This J   is one of the central reasons why it was not listed in the FAQ, too. :-)  < :BOTH of these didnt work, i dont know whtat do do now !?!  E   "Didn't work" is not a particularly descriptive statement, and is aaG   statement that can (and should) be avoided.  For details on the sortsrB   of specific information that are typically required, please see:  A     http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#INTRO5n  J   And specifically the section: "If you are submitting a question, please L   be as specific as you can. Include relevant information such as processor J   type, product versions (OpenVMS and layered products that apply), error H   message(s), DCL command(s) used, and a short, reproducible example of K   problems. Say what you've tried so far, so that effort isn't duplicated.  J   Keep in mind that there's not yet a telepathy protocol for the Internet.J   The more detailed your description, the better that people can help you    with your question.)"   J   In this case, we need the exact command sequence used, the full text of I   any error message(s) received and/or the details of the (mis)behaviour iJ   seen.  I will assume you are using the VAX console command sequence hereI   (as listed in the FAQ) and I will assume you got to the SYSBOOT prompt.hF   The MicroVAX 2000 is very old, and has a very primitive console, andG   has a very small (RD54 is circa 159 MB) system disk (when the system r(   even has a disk installed, of course).   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:36:39 -0700t+ From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>n" Subject: Re: No system password...( Message-ID: <39E73A17.678DA1D6@mmaz.com>  F Using the alternate UAF method only works if the system manager has l= eft that ast an open security hole.  F The only guaranteed method is to use SET/STARTUP OPA0: under conversa= tional bootcF but the very first  comand you enter is SET NOON otherwise if you hav= e anyhF typos, you'll blow out and must reboot.  At this point, you can go to=  the system(F directory and manipulate the authorization file (you may need to manu= allyF install some protected images, but it is possible).  Once you have al=	 tered thelF system password, you can then @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP.COM to conclude the=  normalV> system boot but remember to reset the SET/STARTUP in sysgen...   Barryt   Andreas Safranek wrote:n  
 >    Hello >hF > I=B4ve a MicroVAX 2000 and no System password, i tried 2 methodes t= o crack teh2 > password.- >0F > One is from: http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html= #MGMT5 >n > And the other one is:g >D6 > 1. Conversational Boot, set UAFALTERNATE 1, Continue& > 2. Logon with SYSTEM and no password; > 3. Set Logical SYSUAF to normal UAF-File, change passwordh > A > BOTH of these didn=B4t work, i don=B4t know whtat do do now !?!  >w > Thanks for helpi >e > Andreas Safranek [ERICSSON]    --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIO   A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028o   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 14:58:52 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: nonfree Freewareo, Message-ID: <8s77vc$8a4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  _ In article <8s24ei$uch$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:u- >In article <8rt6h9$6v8@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,s6 > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:Z >|> Can somebody please explain to me why the freeware CDROM costs $25 from the estore??? 2 >|>                                           ^^^^\ >|>   http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGroup_ID=790 >|> J >|> The real cost for shipping and handling a CD is not more than $3 - $4.L >|> Production costs, even for a small batch of CD's, should be no more than >|> two dollars. r >|> K >|> Anything much beyond that makes the CD a commercial product and clearlynA >|> violates the licenses on most of the software on the disk.   d >|> E >|> Anybody at Compaq care to explain where the extra $20 is going???e >u, >It seems your estimate is a little low.....  J Perhaps, but most of the distributions you cited are sets of CDs, not one Q disk like the freeware CD.  The Redhat distribution includes a manual and supportsJ with the box, and they do charge you for that.  See www.cheapbytes.com for the other end of the specturm.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edug? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech .   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 17:00:58 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: nonfree Freeware.5 Message-ID: <8s7f4a$35$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>g  D   If y'all want, I can probably have the part numbers and the recentB   separately-orderable availability of the Freeware pulled off theD   price file -- I can probably get the OpenVMS Freeware back to its G   previous availability only via the OpenVMS distributions and via the -G   website, if that's the prefered approach.  (I'd prefer not to do thiszF   and I'd hope that most customers would also prefer that this not be H   done, of course, but I can ask that the media offering be "pulled" if ?   the current distribution mechanisms are viewed as a problem.)i  G   What I can't manage is the creation and shipping of CD-ROM media for eG   free -- if an organization wishes to donate to cover the costs, then eF   I can likely organize providing the CD-ROM "masters" for the currentH   and the next release.  (The next OpenVMS Freeware release, BTW, has a G   submissions deadline of 27-Nov-2000.)  And, of course, folks are freen=   to duplicate the contents of the Freeware on CD-R or media.   G   AFAIK, the current charge only covers the CD-R(OM) media replication rD   and stocking, the handling, and the shipping costs.  Nothing more.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:14:54 GMTr% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products1 Message-ID: <39e6d09b.324648399@news.newsguy.com>e  = On 12 Oct 2000 09:15:23 -0400, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordans Henderson) wrote:s  J >Has anyone brought this lack of cooperation to the attention of Stallman?G >I bet we could get him to use his bully pulpit in favor of maintaining I >VMS mods, where available.  I personally corresponded with Stallman some F >years back (about something, I can't recall).  He is approachable and >does respond to email.1  E And he was very, very pro DEC at one point. The original PDP-10 EMACSCE was submitted to DECUS 20 years ago and he has always said publically * that he is happy to see VMS mods included.  D The question is perhaps what happened to Richard Levitte, the GNU onD VMS co-ordinator, I've sent him some email so maybe he can cast some light. y   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 11:18:18 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products. Message-ID: <8s6r1q$h52$3@info.service.rug.nl>  D In article <39e6d09b.324648399@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:    ? > On 12 Oct 2000 09:15:23 -0400, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan  > Henderson) wrote:s > L > >Has anyone brought this lack of cooperation to the attention of Stallman?I > >I bet we could get him to use his bully pulpit in favor of maintaining K > >VMS mods, where available.  I personally corresponded with Stallman someaH > >years back (about something, I can't recall).  He is approachable and > >does respond to email.  > G > And he was very, very pro DEC at one point. The original PDP-10 EMACSNG > was submitted to DECUS 20 years ago and he has always said publicallyt, > that he is happy to see VMS mods included.  F Interesting, since he would sort of indirectly be supporting somethingA very evil, in his view.  Of course, many moons ago EVERYTHING wasrG proprietary, so maybe he was free to base his choice on quality alone. k :-)   F > The question is perhaps what happened to Richard Levitte, the GNU onF > VMS co-ordinator, I've sent him some email so maybe he can cast some	 > light. F  G He's still around.  According to his .sig, he's no longer with Levitte  G Programming (at least not exclusively) but is working for some company  I which provides secure transactions, encryption etc.  He's certainly been 8F involved with the FISH (SSH client) which, in conjuction with the SSH G server by Dave Jones of OSU HTTP daemon fame provides SSH capabilities .	 with VMS.   H I believe SSH client and server will be provided in a future release of E TCPIP services as well.  Does anyone know the timescale for this and n@ whether it will be at least as good as these other alternatives?   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 08:26:58 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)i( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products* Message-ID: <8s6v2i$7ru$1@lisa.gemair.com>  1 In article <39e6d09b.324648399@news.newsguy.com>,e& Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:> >On 12 Oct 2000 09:15:23 -0400, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan >Henderson) wrote: > K >>Has anyone brought this lack of cooperation to the attention of Stallman?oH >>I bet we could get him to use his bully pulpit in favor of maintainingJ >>VMS mods, where available.  I personally corresponded with Stallman someG >>years back (about something, I can't recall).  He is approachable andD >>does respond to email. >oF >And he was very, very pro DEC at one point. The original PDP-10 EMACSF >was submitted to DECUS 20 years ago and he has always said publically+ >that he is happy to see VMS mods included.e >tE >The question is perhaps what happened to Richard Levitte, the GNU on E >VMS co-ordinator, I've sent him some email so maybe he can cast somem >light.  >t  D Richard Levitte responded somewhere about updating Emacs (he was theC Emacs on VMS maintainer at one point) that he just didn't have time"C for it anymore.  I think he was burned out, doing it all by himselfeB (and from what I read here, perhaps from reapplying changes to GNUA distrubtions!).  He's now active as a developer in OpenSSL, whichn. does make releases that are tested on OpenVMS:   	http://www.openssl.org/about/  D Awhile back, someone did post here or perhaps to the OSU HTTPD list A (or was it the VMSPerl list?) that their firm was paying to have vE Emacs V20 updated to run on OpenVMS V7.2, with the restrictions that  @ it would require ODS-5 and TCP/IP V5, or greater.  (I think I'm C remembering this correctly.)  Does anybody know about this project e and it's status?   >--s >Alan Greigt   -Jordan Henderson- jordan@greenapple.com-   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 14:54:32 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products, Message-ID: <8s77n8$8a4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  _ In article <8s20qo$rig$2@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:: >4= >Have you actually been there??  The page hasn't been touchedv? >since 1997.  Having got my first hobbyist machine running overw? >the weekend and being primarily interested in porting freewarep> >to VMS I went looking.  I could not find a single GNU package> >that had a VMS port of recent enough vintage to be usefull as >a starting point.   Is last month recent enough?  ?   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/GNUPG1_0_2_VMS.ZIPR   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu@? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:02:52 -0400 ' From: Dan Allen <daniel.allen@nist.gov> " Subject: RE: PC164LX compatibility@ Message-ID: 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Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:51:04 -0400i) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.nete" Subject: Re: PC164LX compatibility9 Message-ID: <39e6f7cd$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>I  7 In <wHcF5.2107$ln6.230576@news.flash.net>, on 10/12/00 oH    at 06:17 AM, gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS (Gareth Boulton (on VMS)) said:  H I bought a straight PC164 on Ebay.  I have it running VMS.  When you buyG the 164 you also have to buy an NCR SCSI controller for it and the ElsaaI Gloria Synergy video card.  The piece of (&*)*(&)*( Can't-Adapt-Crap 2490-J is unsupported by the SRM counsole.  Oddly enough so was the diamond videoI card in mine, but that may have been due more to needing the hardware ECOD installed than anything.  C The Hobbiest VMS license will run on it, but doubt if you can get aA commercial VMS license.E   Roland  E >I've been seeing a few system vendors offering machines based on theAF >PC164LX motherboard claiming to run OpenVMS. However, the OpenVMS FAQ >(section ALPHA8) states:AI >"OpenVMS Alpha is not supported on the AlphaPC 164LX and 164SX, and  theNJ >OpenVMS CPU-specific routines and images necessary to bootstrap  on these! >systems do not presently exist."3  H >Now I'm confused. I really want to go and spend my hard-earned money onG >one of these systems, but no longer know who's right. Is the FAQ stillAI >correct, or has there been updates to the SRM that now allow the PC164LXAF >to boot/run OpenVMS? Or are these computer vendors offering something' >that can't/won't actually run OpenVMS?A  C >Or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick and confused aAG >PC164LX motherboard with an actual AlphaPC 164LX system? (Assuming oneA >exists...)A   >Thanks! >GarethA   -- A; -----------------------------------------------------------AD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------F   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 11:18:21 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)" Subject: RE: PC164LX compatibility+ Message-ID: <YJKEFtYweHu2@eisner.decus.org>F  G In article <NEBBIALHDHJMJINPGMOACEHACLAA.daniel.allen@nist.government>,A) Dan Allen <daniel.allen@nist.gov> posted:R  K <An apparent bitmap or other large unreadable binary data object <snipped>>A  K Please post or e-mail to comp.os.vms or info-vax#mvb.saic.com in plain text/ only.A  F I have not found anything that can decipher the stuff you are posting.  9 Even the latest version of Outlook refuses to display it.A   -JohnA wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 16:47:08 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: RE: PC164LX compatibility6 Message-ID: <8s7eac$t1u$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  - :I actually invested my employer's money in aA4 :non-hobbyist license so I could use it in my job...  C   I might add that there is no commercial license available that isAC   formally sanctioned by OpenVMS Engineering for this or for other AD   unsupported platforms -- that this can occur has been a subject of   some discussion.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 15:31:12 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS, Message-ID: <8s79s0$8a4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <bRK0fuOQREgc@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes: >AB >    	OK, GhostSript, here I come (David Mathog mentions that he's1 >    recently done a VMS build without problems).A >A  I The only problem now is that I modified the fontmap.vms file to work with/H the files in SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.XDPS.OUTLINE] wherever possible insteadL of using the fonts that ship with ghostscript.   Sounds like installing the J next DECwindows will break that.  Look at some of the other fontmap files H in the same directory for examples of how to do it the other way around.  1 Here are the directions for building ghostscript.A  O 1. download the pieces from  http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get601.html AF   (they may be up to 602 by now, in which case it should build as is.)  ! 2. gunzip and tar -xf these bits.A  @     ghostscript-6.01.tar.gz, Ghostscript sources, 3408474 bytes ;     jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz, JPEG library sources, 613261 bytes A>     libpng-1.0.5.tar.gz, LIBPNG library sources, 299401 bytes :     zlib-1.1.3.tar.gz, ZLIB library sources, 168463 bytes $     ghostscript-fonts-std-6.0.tar.gz  4   So that your final directory structure looks like:  6 Directory PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GHOSTSCRIPT.GS6_01]  G BIN.DIR;1           DOC.DIR;1           EXAMPLES.DIR;1      FONTS.DIR;1/E JPEG-6B.DIR;1       LIB.DIR;1           LIBPNG-1_0_5.DIR;1  MAN.DIR;1P8 OBJ.DIR;1           SRC.DIR;1           ZLIB-1_1_3.DIR;1  K   Mostly that means doing the tar -xf in the GS6_01 directory, but you needAI   to unpack the fonts into [.lib]. (Not the top directory, as for earlier/   gs distributions.) P  > 3. modify [.src]openvms.mak to enable precompiled type 1 fonts  D 4. modify [.src]openvms.mmk, change "libpng-1_0_3" to "libpng-1_0_5"  J 5. mmk/descrip=[.src]openvms.mmk/macro=("DECWINDOWS1_2=1")/ignore=warnings  I    it will all build, there will be some warnings, none of which seem to A    affect it's operation.A  * 6.  This step is needed to read PDF files:       $ set def [.lib]D     $ wget "http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geoffk/pdfencrypt/pdf_sec.ps",     (or use any other method to download it)  I 7. Use the regular fontmap.gs file, not the fontmap.vms file, because theAK    latter will break if you install DECwindows with the 7.3 upgrade because/.    (apparently) the XDPS fonts are going away.  # 8. In sylogin.com or login.com add:/  -    $ define gs_lib disk:[dir.ghostscript.lib]A-    $ define gs_exe disk:[dir.ghostscript.bin]A    $ gs:==$gs_exe:gs   and it should work for you.A  + I obtained Ghostview 3.58 as a binary from A  >     http://wwwthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/~plass/gv/#availability         has link to/@     ftp://ftpthep.physik.uni-mainz.de/pub/gv/vms/exe_alpha_2.zip  AH and installed it.  Defined a symbol pointing to the .exe, and it worked.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduA? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech /   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:38:19 +0000M From: nclews@csc.com" Subject: Re: RZ23 SCSI ID settings@ Message-ID: <OFD35C3AAC.B710C7F6-ON00256977.004A98DA@eu.csc.com>  " In for a penny, in for a pound. My 3rd post in one day!  2 RZ23 SCSI settings are set by the jumpers labelled8 E1 E2 and E3 on the underside of the disk. E1 being LSB, E3 MSB.A   Regards, Nic CSC etc. etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:55:09 -0400A) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netA@ Subject: Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer?9 Message-ID: <39e6f886$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>G  ; In <8s4jl9$en3$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, on 10/12/00 2B    at 02:59 PM, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) said:  D I kind of like how you get a license for most every software productH (except TCP/IP CLIENT) yet get no media for the compilers, etc. with the hobbiest license.S  G They should have put BASIC instead of Fortran on the cd for alpha sinceuE that is more of a beginners type language.  Indeed I still work in itG today.   Roland  C >In article <8s4cqb$o6g$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nlGH >(Phillip Helbig) writes: :This was discussed quite a bit recently.  Did* >it ever get corrected :and/or cleared up?  I >  The educational license program for OpenVMS was announced at CETS2000,SG >  and largely parallels the existing hobbyist program.  Please see theC= >  OpenVMS website (on the main page) for additional details.g  3 > --------------------------- pure personal opinionj >---------------------------2 >   Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   >hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.comp   -- +; -----------------------------------------------------------uD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------y   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:18:42 -05000' From: John Stott <jpstott@src.wisc.edu>G@ Subject: Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer?8 Message-ID: <g7deussvrem92f5jtueed4820mf7uidpce@4ax.com>  E It would still be nice if Compaq could bring themselves to bundle the+A base system license into CSLG. I, and no doubt others, could thenm> make use of NT licensed systems with OVMS instead of migratingD them to Linux if we want to use them as multi-user systems (not that! that is necessarily a bad thing).P  + Still, we may find a use for OVMS desktops!E   -- W5 John P. Stott                    jpstott@src.wisc.edu+8 Synchrotron Radiation Center     http://www.src.wisc.edu4 University of Wisconsin-Madison  http://www.wisc.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 16:33:52 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)@ Subject: Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer?. Message-ID: <8s7dhg$mod$1@info.service.rug.nl>  C In article <g7deussvrem92f5jtueed4820mf7uidpce@4ax.com>, John Stottt <jpstott@src.wisc.edu> writes: H  G > It would still be nice if Compaq could bring themselves to bundle thegC > base system license into CSLG. I, and no doubt others, could then6@ > make use of NT licensed systems with OVMS instead of migratingF > them to Linux if we want to use them as multi-user systems (not that# > that is necessarily a bad thing).G  E I think the new thing is in addition to CSLG, and it apparently DOES yH have base licenses.  So get the base licenses there and multi-user from  CSLG.S  E Compaq are really shooting themselves in the foot by, to the unix andBF Windoze pundits, making VMS look like a single-user OS.  "Gee, lots ofC people can log in to my unix box?  Can't VMS do that?  No?  Is thatiA still legal?  What a dinosaur!"  WE know VMS is probably the bestgD multi-user OS, but a) this creates a bad impression and b) I see no H reason not to allow it.  NO-ONE is going to buy more boxes just because E more than one person can't work on one, CERTAINLY not in an academic W* environment, which is where this is aimed.  C Even if Compaq doesn't agree, perhaps they could just EXPLAIN this v strange strategy.V   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 09:59:55 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)W@ Subject: Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer?, Message-ID: <mUNR1ldEsYQL@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  9 In article <g7deussvrem92f5jtueed4820mf7uidpce@4ax.com>, s-     John Stott <jpstott@src.wisc.edu> writes:Q  G > It would still be nice if Compaq could bring themselves to bundle the+C > base system license into CSLG. I, and no doubt others, could thenD@ > make use of NT licensed systems with OVMS instead of migratingF > them to Linux if we want to use them as multi-user systems (not that# > that is necessarily a bad thing).s > >     I haven't seen anything that says you can't get a VMS base@ license under the new program and then add that system as one ofC your CSLG nodes ( to get unlimited use of all the other products ).l= This seems like a rather silly way to have to do it ( why notN< put the base license in CSLG or give unlimited use under the9 new program ), but it doesn't appear it would be illegal.s  B    Of course there may be a cost to doing so if this pushes you to the next CSLG tier.k  M =============================================================================yM Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.caxH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 07:58:54 -0400B) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netB3 Subject: Re: SMG, BASIC, ckermit, and Printer portsQ9 Message-ID: <39e6f937$3$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>i  , In <39E60882.38DA6BDC@srv.net>, on 10/12/00 /    at 12:52 PM, Kevin Handy <kth@srv.net> said:D  J >I have a Vax/Basic program that output's to the printer port and displays, >information on the screen using SMG$ calls.7 >The printer port is currently handled by printing to aT3 >channel on which I have opened "tt:". (sending theH4 >printer on escape sequence, then the data to print,' >then the printer off escape sequence).A  : >On a VT420, VT320, etc connected through terminal servers: >it works fine, but when using ckermit through the network7 >(ucx on vax), the printing and SMG output get mixed upy4 >sometimes. I am guessing that telnet flushes output7 >differently than the terminal servers (from looking atQ  >a log file created in ckermit).  : >I do a SMG$FLUSH_BUFFER before doing a PRINT, but I don't( >know of a way to flush a basic channel.  ; >Now my real question: Is there a good way to flush a basicU; >channel (to see if that is really my problem), or is thereg: >a way to get SMG to handle output to the printer port, or8 >some way to sync the SMG output with the basic channel?  J Look into writing a USEROPEN routine to get the system IO channel (not theF BASIC channel).  Then you can use any of the system IO routines on the channel.   Roland     -- W; -----------------------------------------------------------FD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------z   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:47:14 +0200E0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCK* Message-ID: <39E6BE03.A7502682@Easynet.fr>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:z > M >   UTC is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC).  (Yes, UTC and not UCT.  The UTCLI >   abbreviation is based on the French-language name for this standard.)Y  F I'm surprized. In French, for UTC, we say TU (Temps Universel) and not Universel Coordonn Temps :-)0   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:17:54 +0100/4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTC38 Message-ID: <4prdusskun7p411ua658ncvn1t9dgpsjof@4ax.com>  2 On Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:47:14 +0200, Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> wrote:   >Hoff Hoffman wrote: >> EN >>   UTC is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC).  (Yes, UTC and not UCT.  The UTCJ >>   abbreviation is based on the French-language name for this standard.) >OG >I'm surprized. In French, for UTC, we say TU (Temps Universel) and notw >Universel Coordonn Temps :-)  ? I presume Zulu time is not politically correct any longer ? ;-)3   	Johne -- n
 John Laird   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:46:01 GMTE% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)w Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCG1 Message-ID: <39e6e42d.329658193@news.newsguy.com>Q  @ On 12 Oct 2000 22:27:03 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:I   >JX >In article <8s58jm$apl$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) writes:5 >:Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:k >:...Q >:: >::   What particular problem(s) are you looking to solve? >:J >:Simply put, I want to display the current UTC time, ie something similarF >:to GMT.  At 12-Oct-2000 18:00, I would like 13-Oct-2000 00:00 to be  >:displayed (I am in MDT). >DM >  UTC is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC).  (Yes, UTC and not UCT.  The UTC QH >  abbreviation is based on the French-language name for this standard.) >zH >  UTC can effectively be treated as GMT -- UTC has a slightly differentI >  definition than GMT, but I'll ignore the details of implementing leap T >  seconds and such here.5  E The British government made a fool of itself a few months ago when ituA announced that to mark the year 2000 Britain would set up its ownaD Internet time servers based at Greenwich. They claimed that existing< US time servers were based on atomic time in the US and thatD additional round trip time meant that synching with US servers would' leave you around 1/2 second behind GMT.   E Well UTC as maintained by US servers (and all others) is actually theoD current time at the zero meridian (ie Greenwich) and NTP goes out ofA its way to calculate and account for packet round trip times. OurED server clocks in Scotland are synched with corporate time servers inF the states which synch with US providers and despite fluctuating roundD trip times of around 200-300 millseconds the time settles down to beC within 10 milliseconds of that obtained from a UK clock on a directc7 landline. Which is about the precision NTP can provide.i  D The web pages decribing this new British innovation in Internet timeD keeping seem to have quietly vanished and nothing more has ben heard3 of it agan. Unlke some other government policies :)t   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 09:54:41 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCs+ Message-ID: <2H6o9qhKXLfB@eisner.decus.org>c  o In article <4prdusskun7p411ua658ncvn1t9dgpsjof@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes:h > A > I presume Zulu time is not politically correct any longer ? ;-)a >   1 Still in use in all civilian air traffic control.e  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationd= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replying-   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:20:04 GMTm% From: Bill Hobbs <hobbsb@my-deja.com>l Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTC ) Message-ID: <8s75md$ka1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   = In article <4prdusskun7p411ua658ncvn1t9dgpsjof@4ax.com>, John-0 Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:  A > I presume Zulu time is not politically correct any longer ? ;-)5  ; I believe the US military assigned letters to all the major:@ timezones (skipping the half hour ones) way back when ... though@ I can't recall seeing any other timezone being referenced by its! letter except for the Z timezone..  : And Zulu is the international phonetic pronunciation of Z.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:06:30 +0100a  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCo+ Message-ID: <VA.000000fc.20d37022@sture.ch>r  B In article <8s5hch$11o$1@lisa.gemair.com>, Jordan Henderson wrote:1 > From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsc > Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCj" > Date: 12 Oct 2000 19:27:13 -0400 > 8 > In article <8s5drn$j60$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,5 > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote:i > > Z > >In article <8s58jm$apl$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>, brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) writes:7 > >:Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:f > >:...r > >:< > >::   What particular problem(s) are you looking to solve? > >:L > >:Simply put, I want to display the current UTC time, ie something similarH > >:to GMT.  At 12-Oct-2000 18:00, I would like 13-Oct-2000 00:00 to be  > >:displayed (I am in MDT). > >mO > >  UTC is Universal Coordinated Time (UTC).  (Yes, UTC and not UCT.  The UTC gJ > >  abbreviation is based on the French-language name for this standard.) > >D > D > Oh boy!  Oh boy!  I get to correct Hoff about something!  (I'm so @ > excited...  too bad it's not OpenVMS related, that WOULD be an > accomplishment). >3 Shucks, you beat me to it :-)s  @ > The abbreviation UTC is NOT based on the French-language name 2 > for this standard.  I quote from "The Time FAQ" 6 > http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/general/faq.htmA > (something I read over carefully during the pre-2000 hysteria):  > F >   http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq/general/misc.htm#Anchor-14550 > B >   "In 1970 the Coordinated Universal Time system was devised by A >    an international advisory group of technical experts within oC >    the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). The ITU felt gC >    it was best to designate a single abbreviation for use in all g? >    languages in order to minimize confusion. Since unanimous hA >    agreement could not be achieved on using either the English sA >    word order, CUT, or the French word order, TUC, the acronym e% >    UTC was chosen as a compromise."y > B > I now return you to the on-topic discussion that was already in 
 > progress...  > * [much good,substantive discussion snipped]  V From the folks at Bureau International des Poids et Mesures / International Bureau of  Weights and Measures (BIPM): R  < http://www.bipm.fr/fra/5_Scientific/c_time/time_server.html   I "Le temps universel coordonn (UTC) est la base lgale de l'heure dans leI monde. ..."    i.e. the French would be "TUC".   S or the English page at http://www.bipm.fr/enus/5_Scientific/c_time/time_server.htmlh  G "Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) is the basis for legal time worldwideoM and follows TAI (see below) exactly except for an integral number of seconds,mB presently 32. These leap seconds are inserted on the advice of theN International Earth Rotation Service (IERS) (http://hpiers.obspm.fr) to ensureJ that, on average over the years, the Sun is overhead within 0.9 seconds ofA 12:00:00 UTC on the meridian of Greenwich. UTC is thus the modernaF successor of Greenwich Mean Time, GMT, which was used when the unit of time was the mean solar day."t   ___/
 Paul Sture Switzerlandf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:55:52 +0200.> From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>" Subject: Re: tcp/ip v4 lpd problem. Message-ID: <8s6m2c$cmf$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  
 some news ...y  @ The problem appears to be an exceeded quota on the issuing node.D The printed file is not written in the spool directory of the queue.0 The ucx_lpd account seems to have correct quotas> (same as my personnal ucx 5.0 tcpip$lpd account on 7.2 alpha). Where should I look to 1.- identify the weak quota-? 2.- change the value (ucx_lpd ? user issuing the print ? pql ?)/   Cordialement
 Jean-Franois/    I "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> wrote in message ( news:8s1obg$5bj$1@reader1.imaginet.fr...D > since an unidentified event (meaning "was working previously") ... >t? > the log file of a locally define lpd is repetitively saying :  >aE >     %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link: >2- >     lpd$ast_handler save_entry_number = 3980 >6? > along with the following message in UCX$LPD_RCV_STARTUP.LOG :d >y0 >     Error opening primary input file SYS$INPUT >     File not found"l > . > We've checked there is no disk full problem.7 > The target SYS$PRINT queue is still working properly.-5 > We tried to setup a new LPD queue with same result.5 >  > Any idea ? > Cordialement >a > Jean-Franois Marchal: > X9000 - LYON (FR)n >o >  >  >c   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:04:51 GMTc, From: Andrew Robert <arobert@ispchannel.com>' Subject: This is possible using THRUWAYo. Message-ID: <39E740FD.6498A81E@ispchannel.com>  2 Software Partners offers a product called THRUWAY.    F THRUWAY allows you to mount remote system disk and tape drives locally over DECnet or IP.  A After creating a connection, you can use backup to move the filest	 directly.l    B If all you need is remote tape access, Process Software's MULTINET? offers the RMTALLOC command to remote mount tape and CD drives.r   Regards,
 Andrew Robertr Principal Systems Analystr TS&S Infrastructure Supportt  Massachusetts Financial Services   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:26:10 -0400O3 From: "Gaitan D'Antoni" <gaitan.dantoni@compaq.com>r0 Subject: Re: User Configuration in Apache 1.3.126 Message-ID: <8s72i2$r0c$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>    Marty Kuhrt wrote in message ...G >>    2. The user sub-directory must be readable by the apache account.(L >>       (Note that the default userdir directory for Apache is public_html, >>        while OSU uses www). >-A >Does it have to be an explicit ACL or can I just set world read?s >d >># >> Marty Kuhrt wrote in message ...  >>> = >>>Is that why I can't seem to get the userdir stuff working?o >>>i >sA >I get the "Forbidden" error screen when I try to access a user's- >directory.   L I just created a new user named FOO with a default directory of WORK1:[FOO].D I then created the directory WORK1:[FOO.PUBLIC_HTML]and put a simple5 INDEX.HTML into WORK1:[FOO.PUBLIC_HTML]. I set W:R onmI WORK1:[FOO]PUBLIC_HTML.DIR and on WORK1:[FOO.PUBLIC_HTML]INDEX.HTML and IbK was able to access the file from a browser. Prior to setting W:R on both oft* these files I got the "forbidden" message.   Gaitan D'Antoni . Apache Web Server for OpenVMS Technical LeaderE http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache.htmlh Compaq Computer Corporationa   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:27:43 GMTt/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>h Subject: VAX to Alpha (DS10)F Message-ID: <3dDF5.4201$9T4.179977@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  L Our application developers have been doing their work on a small VAX cluster (VAX 4705a and MV3100-90).I We are now converting to Alpha.  I have scrounged up an Alpha 2100a 5/300o (dual) system, and I want toL add a second alpha so they can continue to develop and test within a cluster environment.  F I am considering a used DS10 6/466 and I want to get a gut check as to  whether this system makes sense.I I know the tps numbers for even the 2100 blow away both the current VAXesi and the DS10 is even better,- but that doesn't always tell the whole story.-  G There are about 20 programmers that use mostly C.  However they are now ! going to start using Java and C++nH and hopefully even more of the new develoment tools, so I really need to" give them a robust environment, so< they won't keep chomping at the bits to go to the Unix team.  K The applications they develop will run in a cluster with a GS140 and either  a GS80 or an ES40.  J I am trying to go cheap here so I can fit it in this years budget (or lackI thereof).  The sooner I get them hooked on Alpha VMS, the better chance Ia have to derail the Unix train.   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 12:46:42 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  Subject: Re: VAX to Alpha (DS10). Message-ID: <8s707i$itc$1@info.service.rug.nl>  F In article <3dDF5.4201$9T4.179977@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,2 "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:   *          vvvvvvvvv       vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv* > I have scrounged up an Alpha 2100a 5/300 > (dual) system, and I want to9 > add a second alpha so they can continue to develop and v   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > test within a clusteru > environment.$ >                         vvvvvvvvvvH > I am considering a used DS10 6/466 and I want to get a gut check as to" > whether this system makes sense.!   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^u        ,M > The applications they develop will run in a cluster with a GS140 and either B > a GS80 or an ES40.                                         ^^^^^ >   ^^^^       ^^^^rD > I am trying to go cheap here so I can fit it in this years budget                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^     9 "Your problems are another man's dreams."   ---Jeff Healye   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:09:27 GMTn( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>  Subject: Re: VAX to Alpha (DS10)' Message-ID: <G2DJFr.GCp@spcuna.spc.edu>e  / John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes: H > I am considering a used DS10 6/466 and I want to get a gut check as to" > whether this system makes sense.K > I know the tps numbers for even the 2100 blow away both the current VAXes  > and the DS10 is even better,/ > but that doesn't always tell the whole story.-  I   I have a pair of DS10's in a cluster for hobbyist use and they're quitecK nice. My only comments are that the ELSA graphics card is slow (I'm waitingeJ for the announcement of the replacement cards so I can dumpster my ELSA's)J and that the default disk subsystem on these (Qlogic SCSI + 9GB SCSI) is aJ bit slow. I expect it's the controller, as a pair of DS20's I have at workK are much faster with the KZPSC RAID controller and the same disks, and thatpJ card isn't that fast. I'm toying with the idea of dumping the Qlogic cardsJ at home and using the 3X-KZPCA-AA card (a Symbios 895-based card) instead.  H   At work, the DS20's replaced a 4000-700A and a 4000-500, respectively.* The DS20's are uniprocessor versions, BTW.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAs   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:23:07 +0100s5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk>t Subject: Re: VAX8530/ Message-ID: <8s6i1h$sk4$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>   C You could try posting in comp.sys.dec.micro for a disc. I see posts C there from time to time that have PRO spares and systems available.b  
 with regards,g   Adrian   --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk      5 Jay Peterson <peterson@pulsenet.com> wrote in messagei/ news:002301c034c9$3b4f56a0$488aed3f@peterson...h >e > ----- Original Message -----+ > From: "Derek Konigsberg" <konigd@rpi.edu>d > To: <Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com>-* > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:38 PM > Subject: Re: VAX8530 >  > 3 > >     By the way, any ideas where one could get a H > > new hard drive for such a unit?  The hard drive in our console seems to5 > > be on the way out, and we don't want to loose it.- > >-
 > > -Derek > >  >-H > The hard disk in the Pro/380-based console is some variant of an RD-52E > (IIRC), and the floppy drive is a dual RX50. Where you may run intoK trouble-H > is trying to copy the console software from the ailing disk to the new disk.sE > I'm not sure how extensive or complete the set of utilities is thatv comesi' > with P/OS (the O/S the console runs).h >s > Hope this helps....i> > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Jay A. Petersone >  >0 >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 12:56:08 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)v( Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk+ Message-ID: <8s70p8$5r1$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>.  - In article <39e57d91.sandmann@clio.rice.edu>,r4  "Charles Sandmann" <sandmann@clio.rice.edu> writes:J |> > Apparently, there were different VS31000's.  Neither my color nor my J |> > monochrome units have this switch or even any kind of opening in that' |> > location on the back of the box.  z |> nI |> I've had several of these pass through my hands.  In all cases the theI |> switch was actually on the motherboard and the metal case backing had -I |> a slot to allow access to the switch - but just the plastic back panelrH |> covering the metal frame didn't have the hole.  Check inside the caseJ |> and see if the switch is on the board between the LEDs and double arrow |> MMJ serial connector.  F Sure enough, I found it,  Which makes one wonder why they would make aF case that didn't allow access to it.  This weekend I'll have to set upG the monochrome system again and try flipping the switch to see if it is: just in the wrong position.e   |> eI |> I cut the plastic with a utility knife to make the switch visable, and I |> that system is now a happy Vaxserver running a hobbiest license.  It's3J |> rather thick plastic however, so it takes a while and the result wasn't# |> as pretty as I would have liked.d  H I would think the easiest and cleanest way would probably be to just cut a small hole with a drill bit.   Thanks for the help.   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   B   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:31:52 -0000y- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)s Subject: Re: VMS and UNIX / Message-ID: <suee7o3p088udf@news.supernews.com>y  , begcompuser@aol.com (Beg Comp User) wrote in0 <20001012200804.03205.00001469@ng-ch1.aol.com>:   I >First of all, thank you for your helpful reply.  How useful will knowingdI >VMS be later on compared to knowing UNIX?  (like in the job market...)  r  L I'm not an employee of Gartner Group, but I pretend to be one after working L hours.  The installed based of unix boxes is significantly larger than that F of OpenVMS.  The OpenVMS "marketing miracle" that those in this group J salivate for has yet to happen, so this is likely to be the case until at G least "later on".  At that point, a miracle is predicted to occur, and e5 quantum computing will make hotdog vendors of us all.e   ws   -- n3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>b   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 13:46:24 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)a Subject: Re: VMS and UNIX5* Message-ID: <8s7hpg$pla$1@lisa.gemair.com>  / In article <suee7o3p088udf@news.supernews.com>,h. Warren Spencer <wspencer@ap.nospam.org> wrote:- >begcompuser@aol.com (Beg Comp User) wrote in 1 ><20001012200804.03205.00001469@ng-ch1.aol.com>:   >rJ >>First of all, thank you for your helpful reply.  How useful will knowingJ >>VMS be later on compared to knowing UNIX?  (like in the job market...)   >-M >I'm not an employee of Gartner Group, but I pretend to be one after working rM >hours.  The installed based of unix boxes is significantly larger than that   >of OpenVMS.    G This is undeniably true.  It's also the case that there are less people-L competing in the OpenVMS technical market than in the UNIX technical market,7 so marketability is not based on installed base _only_.-  I Based on the marketing and continuing engineering I do see out of Compaq dJ surrounding OpenVMS, I do not expect OpenVMS to disappear.  Based on this,E I do expect there to be a demand for Entry level OpenVMS personnel in N the future as I don't see many people training into OpenVMS at this time.  So,L my original prognostication, unqualified as it may be by my lack of Gartner H Group credentials, stands.  I expect there be good demand "later on" forH Entry Level OpenVMS professionals.  This is not dependent upon miracles.  H >              The OpenVMS "marketing miracle" that those in this group K >salivate for has yet to happen, so this is likely to be the case until at >H >least "later on".  At that point, a miracle is predicted to occur, and 6 >quantum computing will make hotdog vendors of us all. >o  H Well, at least I won't go hungry, uhhh... hmmm... until I get fired from# that job for lack of profitability.T   >wsa >  >-- 4 ><< What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>   -Jordan Hendersonq jordan@greenapple.com<   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:14:24 GMT@% From: Bill Hobbs <hobbsb@my-deja.com>c Subject: VMS ISP?e) Message-ID: <8s78s9$n9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  > Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local)  @ If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at a9 disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be aA. disadvantage, but are there technical reasons?    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 12:32:44 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i Subject: Re: VMS ISP? + Message-ID: <BJjGwWddPOoH@eisner.decus.org>u  Q In article <8s78s9$n9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bill Hobbs <hobbsb@my-deja.com> writes: @ > Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local)  D At the recently concluded DECUS symposium I ran into two, and I know  there is a third who posts here.  ! No, I don't have the names handy./   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 10:56:28 -0500-1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>o Subject: Re: VMS ISP?.8 Message-ID: <8s7b4n$i1v$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  * I know of one in Chicagoland:  www.fsi.net  6 I've heard of others, but don't have their names/URLs.  ? Wonder how one would ask a search engine this type of question.    Dave...e  2 "Bill Hobbs" <hobbsb@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8s78s9$n9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com... @ > Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local) > B > If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at a; > disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be as0 > disadvantage, but are there technical reasons? >o >h( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.e   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 12:06:01 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)  Subject: Re: VMS ISP? * Message-ID: <8s7bt9$k6u$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ) In article <8s78s9$n9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,r' Bill Hobbs  <hobbsb@my-deja.com> wrote: ? >Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local)t >E@ I've heard of a couple of local ones.  A port of RADIUS for VMS ? (www.radiusvms.com) was done under contract for an ISP, who is l' listed on the RADIUS for VMS home page.e  @ I know of two others, for sure, but I'll let them speak up about their own setups.c  A There was a guy who had some questions here awhile back about howSC was he going to migrate his ISP users from OpenVMS to Solaris (theye@ had been bought out and the new bosses demanded everything be on	 Solaris).e  A >If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at aM: >disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be a/ >disadvantage, but are there technical reasons?n >   E Some software that ISP's use might need to be ported, and you mention.B the initial cost reason, but reliability, scaleability, etc. would be advantages for OpenVMS.    C I think it would be WONDERFUL if Compaq came up with a DS10 or DS20 B OpenVMS packaged system with everything you needed to run an ISP, A turnkey, with Web-based administration (doesn't the Insight tools ? provide WEBEM based administration?  I haven't looked into thissC lately).  If they were to do such a thing, then they should sell itoC dirt cheap initially, with some kind of attractive starter support i  (first year or two) package too.  @ One thing I thought would be rather neat would be to have a pairA of OpenVMS systems for eCommerce.  One for the Web Interface, onegA for the database.  The database would contain all the credit cardv@ information and other sensitive customer data and would run onlyC DECnet and the Web Interface machine would query over DECnet.  Not c? much chance of people hacking into the database server with no e? TCP/IP.  Still some chance that the Web Interface machine couldT@ be completely compromised and then you could get it to query theA back end for the data, but this is not the typical exploit.  But, A then Oracle dropped DECnet as an SQL*Net protocol...  Hey, I bet  ? you can still use DECnet on Oracle RDB!  That would be a pretty C secure setup, if administered correctly.  How much more secure than(D the alternatives when admin'd correctly, or how much easier to admin correctly, I can't say.   > The widespread existence of OpenVMS ISPs would do wonders for D OpenVMS's industry profile and the tools and experiences of buildingC and fielding such a thing would help all OpenVMS customers who wantoC to "Internet/Intranet Enable" their OpenVMS applications (which is eB pretty much all of the TCP/IP-using OpenVMS customer base, to some extent or another).l  B You can't count on the current few OpenVMS ISPs to help spread theC word... They probably consider OpenVMS a closely held trade secret!    >a' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/n >Before you buy.   -Jordan Hendersona jordan@greenapple.come   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 16:11:36 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)i Subject: Re: VMS ISP?r' Message-ID: <8s7c7o$7oo$1@joe.rice.edu>h  & Bill Hobbs (hobbsb@my-deja.com) wrote:@ : Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local)  > There's fsi.net in Chicago. There was one in Houston. iah.com,1 but it may have closed due to the owner's health.   $ Also, the old Prodigy was VMS-based.  B : If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at a; : disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be a 0 : disadvantage, but are there technical reasons?  D No technical reasons, unless you count earlier versions of UCX, aka @ Digital TCP/IP services for OpenVMS. But there were alternatives such as Multinet and TCPware.t  F DEC, and now Compaq, could have marketed a small three-node VMSClusterE for ISPs that would have been immune to such security problems as theWH sendmail security holes, as well as offered a high degree of reliabilityF and redundancy. But it would have to have been priced to where startup ISPs could afford it.i  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 17:23:14 +0100o- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>p Subject: Re: VMS ISP?a) Message-ID: <39E736F1.D52C8B50@bbc.co.uk>   C There is a (not very active) mailing list for ISP's running on VMS,a   The list is at   vms-isps@dls.net    HTH   Dave Gudewicz wrote:  , > I know of one in Chicagoland:  www.fsi.net >l8 > I've heard of others, but don't have their names/URLs. >cA > Wonder how one would ask a search engine this type of question.  >h	 > Dave...e >p4 > "Bill Hobbs" <hobbsb@my-deja.com> wrote in message% > news:8s78s9$n9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com... B > > Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local) > >uD > > If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at a= > > disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be aw2 > > disadvantage, but are there technical reasons? > >  > >h* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.o   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukt  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 09:27:17 +010002 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk># Subject: Re: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpck. Message-ID: <39E6D575.59185AA9@CCAgroup.co.uk>   David Mathog wrote:c >  > MODULE seq interface;  > MODULE seq implementation; >    Try:  $ [ENVIRONMENT] MODULE seq; !interface+ [INHERIT('seq')] MODULE seq_implementation;:  D and [INHERIT('seq')] in every module which calls it, and include the+ seq_implementation object on the link line.4  B There may well be some other code changes required, but VMS PascalA doesn't distinguish different types of module; it just writes thesG 'interface' bit into an environment file (.PEN), which can be inherited B by others, and the implementation into an .OBJ. The implementation1 'inherits' the 'interface' to ensure consistency.   ! It can all be made one module ...    Chrise   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:34:58 -0400s& From: "Chris Moore" <cmoore@stelco.ca> Subject: Re: VMS Web Primerh/ Message-ID: <sue0bfof1jrlb8@corp.supernews.com>   C Don't take it personally Stephen, "poory worded" and "semantics" is K precisely the point being made.  The last thing Compaq needs to be doing is B using misleading, imprecise and/or incorrect language to train theI (hopefully) next generation of VMSers.  The initiative of putting this on ) the web is great, just needs some polish.f    ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message10 news:8s5b1f$ind$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >>@ > In article <suc889p48v1sca@corp.supernews.com>, "Peter Weaver"  <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> writes:I > :Has anyone taken a look at the "OpenVMS Primer for System Managers" atnB > :http://www.openvms.digital.com/wbt/pc/welcome.htm? Myself and aD > :colleague both looked at the review questions under "Basic SystemC > :Management Skills" and we both disagree with some of the answerse' > :and/or the wording of the questions.' > :a$ > :Who do we send these comments to? >t! >   I'll pass the comments along.  >  > :Our comments; >  >   Thanks.t >e > :1.  Why does the question...l >m$ >   Bogus question, or bogus answer. >n > :4.  SHOW commands...u >s >   Correct as worded. > $ > :6.  I always thought SYS$PRINT... >h >   Poorly worded question.2 > * > :8.  You can install VMS from a CD on... >R >   Poorly worded question.i >,E > :10.  BACKUP does NOT "guard against data loss or corruption", justh) > :helps you recover when it DOES happen.P >A >   Semantics. >9, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------,1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineerings hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 12:10:56 GMTC From: trevor_deja@my-deja.com-1 Subject: Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch0) Message-ID: <8s6u4d$e7a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m  * In article <39E5F96A.94D0CDCB@Easynet.fr>,3   Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> wrote:l  > trevor_deja@my-deja.com wrote: > >  > > Hi > > F > > Just had a vmsinstal failure while applying a patch for UCX 4.2 on VMS  > > 7.2g >s' > Why don't you use $ product install ?o >t > D. >s  F Thanks for the follow up Didier, however in this case the kit does not+ include polycentre (product install) files.c   Regards, Trevor@   trevor_deja@my-deja.comr    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 08:27:07 -050031 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>e" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!8 Message-ID: <8s72d1$gk3$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  G I for one would like to have Encompass exist.  And if we don't vote fort2 incorporation, it will cease to exist.  What then?  J No organization is perfect.  And I would hazzard a guess that orgs. run byK volunteers are not immune from imperfections.  Let's get this incorporation @ thing behind us and work together to fix the remaining problems.   Dave...h  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:YGZXdxf9ay1M@eisner.decus.org...o? > In article <39DE8290.2F49CC3@ssrl.slac.stanford.edu>, Clemens-3 Wermelskirchen <wermelsk@SLAC.Stanford.EDU> writes:  >-I > > There has been some discussion in the Encompass Open Board meeting ont( > > Tuesday during the CETS event in LA. > >:I > > It seems that the new name, i.e. the by-laws that define it, have notu
 officiallyJ > > been sanctioned by the members in the US yet. This vote is supposed to > > happen soon (in October).n >,> > You narrative indicates some disinformation was presented atF > the "Open Board Meeting".  It is not just that the by-laws "have notH > officially been sanctioned by the members in the US yet".  The changesB > in fact were REJECTED by the members in the US, but the Board ofE > Directors found a loophole to proceed anyway with what they wanted.a >wB > But in using the "emergency" loophole they are required to bring0 > the matter to the US members for ratification. > - > I urge all US members to REJECT this again.a >bK > Certainly those who approved the inclusion of the loophole did not intendf5 > "we lost when the members voted" as an "emergency".    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 06:51:13 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)s0 Subject: Re: Which symbiont handles which queue?0 Message-ID: <8s6bd1$na5$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  ` In article <12OCT00.21454823@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes:H >I have a bunch of LPR print queues which use a 3rd party product.  EachD >print queue has its own symbiont, but I'm not sure how to determineG >which symbiont goes with which queue.  SHOW PROC/CHAN with SDA doesn'twH >show any thing obviously useful (at least with the queue idle).  And, II >don't see anything with GETQUI or GETJPI which looks appropriate (thoughnG >I may have missed the obvious).  So how do I figure out which symbiontt >services which queue? >nE >This is mostly of academic interest I guess.  Someone here had a job-C >apparently hang and wanted to kill it.  So he did a STOP/ID on the.C >symbiont he thought might be it (he got it right, fortunately).  I G >suspect STOP/QUEUE/NEXT/ABORT would have worked more safely, but I gotrF >to wondering how to match a specific symbiont to a specific queue and( >couldn't come up with a generic answer.  9 A "SHOW DEVICE/FULL devicename" will sho you the process.g   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 06:29 CST-' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)O0 Subject: Re: Which symbiont handles which queue?- Message-ID: <13OCT200006291462@gerg.tamu.edu>I  / Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes...nH }I have a bunch of LPR print queues which use a 3rd party product.  EachD }print queue has its own symbiont, but I'm not sure how to determineG }which symbiont goes with which queue.  SHOW PROC/CHAN with SDA doesn'thH }show any thing obviously useful (at least with the queue idle).  And, II }don't see anything with GETQUI or GETJPI which looks appropriate (though G }I may have missed the obvious).  So how do I figure out which symbionts }services which queue? } E }This is mostly of academic interest I guess.  Someone here had a job C }apparently hang and wanted to kill it.  So he did a STOP/ID on thepC }symbiont he thought might be it (he got it right, fortunately).  IeG }suspect STOP/QUEUE/NEXT/ABORT would have worked more safely, but I gottF }to wondering how to match a specific symbiont to a specific queue and( }couldn't come up with a generic answer.  E I would suggest a plain old SHOW PROCESS/ID=xxxxxxxx on the symbiont.vA This should list the devices allocated to it. You can then eitheriD compare the device names to the device listed for each queue, or you; can do  a SHOW DEVICE foo/FULL and see if it says anything:l  
 $ show sys [...]tM 21E00099 SYMBIONT_214    HIB      4       86   0 00:00:00.17       182     18  [...]e $ sh proc/id=21e00099   G 13-OCT-2000 06:18:50.72   User: SYSTEM           Process ID:   21E00099sM                           Node: GERGL1           Process name: "SYMBIONT_214"a   Terminal:            User Identifier:    [SYSTEM] Base priority:      4m! Default file spec:  Not available     Devices allocated:  GERGL1$NLP1:                      GERGL1$NLP2:                      GERGL1$NLP3:                      GERGL1$NLP4:                      GERGL1$NLP5:                      GERGL1$NLP6:                      GERGL1$NLP7:                      GERGL1$NLP8: $ sh dev nlp1/fu  O Printer NLP1:, device type RZ26L, is online, allocated, record-oriented device,IG     carriage control, device is spooled through an intermediate device.a  O     Error count                    0    Operations completed                  0oO     Owner process     "SYMBIONT_214"    Owner UIC                      [SYSTEM] O     Owner process ID        21E00099    Dev Prot              S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,WwO     Reference count                1    Default buffer size                   02O     Page width                     0    Page Length                          66u1     No Carriage_return  Formfeed        Lowercasen3     No Passall          No Wrap         No Printall.0     No Fallback         Tab             Truncate'     Intermediate device: GERGL1$DKA300:,      Associated queue:    NEON_PS  G So my SYMBIONT_214 is actually connected to 8 NLP devices, the first ofdH which is the one associeated with the NEON_PS queue, which also shows up  via SHOW QUEUE in the "on" part:   $ show queue neon_psC Printer queue NEON_PS, idle, on GERGL1::NLP1:, mounted form DEFAULTI  B (Yes, all the multinet LPD queues are handled by one symbiont - atD least by default. There is probably a limit to how many per symbiont* set via a logical name that I havn't set.)   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 13 OCT 2000 14:37:55 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>70 Subject: Re: Which symbiont handles which queue?2 Message-ID: <13OCT00.14375583@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>  4 gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:b > In article <12OCT00.21454823@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes:J > >I have a bunch of LPR print queues which use a 3rd party product.  EachF > >print queue has its own symbiont, but I'm not sure how to determineI > >which symbiont goes with which queue.  SHOW PROC/CHAN with SDA doesn't:J > >show any thing obviously useful (at least with the queue idle).  And, IK > >don't see anything with GETQUI or GETJPI which looks appropriate (thougheI > >I may have missed the obvious).  So how do I figure out which symbiont  > >services which queue? > >fG > >This is mostly of academic interest I guess.  Someone here had a job E > >apparently hang and wanted to kill it.  So he did a STOP/ID on theeE > >symbiont he thought might be it (he got it right, fortunately).  IhI > >suspect STOP/QUEUE/NEXT/ABORT would have worked more safely, but I gotiH > >to wondering how to match a specific symbiont to a specific queue and* > >couldn't come up with a generic answer. >  n; > A "SHOW DEVICE/FULL devicename" will sho you the process.M  C Unfortunately there's no real device attached to these queues.  Thei< queues are created with a pseudo-device name that looks likeE "raw@nn.nn.nn.nn", where "raw" is the printer queue name.  So there'so no device to show.  D Similarly, the symbiont process has no allocated devices or anythingF else in SHOW PROC/ALL that's suggestive of which queue it's servicing.   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVeH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 11:25:28 -0400e# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> 0 Subject: RE: Which symbiont handles which queue?D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD84C@berry.mvpsi.com>  1 When the queue is actually printing you can do a:    $ UCX SHOW DEV  K and you will see a BG device which is connected to the printers IP address.e You can then do a:   $ SHOW DEVICE/FULL bgxxn  4 to find out which symbiont has the device allocated.   > -----Original Message-----4 > From: Dave Greenwood [mailto:greenwoodde@ornl.gov]) > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:38 AMv > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coms2 > Subject: Re: Which symbiont handles which queue? >  > 6 > gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) wrote:< > > In article <12OCT00.21454823@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>, Dave * > Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov> writes:> > > >I have a bunch of LPR print queues which use a 3rd party  > product.  EachH > > >print queue has its own symbiont, but I'm not sure how to determine@ > > >which symbiont goes with which queue.  SHOW PROC/CHAN with 
 > SDA doesn'to> > > >show any thing obviously useful (at least with the queue  > idle).  And, I: > > >don't see anything with GETQUI or GETJPI which looks  > appropriate (thoughi= > > >I may have missed the obvious).  So how do I figure out   > which symbiont > > >services which queue? > > >o@ > > >This is mostly of academic interest I guess.  Someone here  > had a joboG > > >apparently hang and wanted to kill it.  So he did a STOP/ID on thePG > > >symbiont he thought might be it (he got it right, fortunately).  Il: > > >suspect STOP/QUEUE/NEXT/ABORT would have worked more  > safely, but I got.8 > > >to wondering how to match a specific symbiont to a  > specific queue and, > > >couldn't come up with a generic answer. > >  .= > > A "SHOW DEVICE/FULL devicename" will sho you the process.8 > E > Unfortunately there's no real device attached to these queues.  The > > queues are created with a pseudo-device name that looks likeG > "raw@nn.nn.nn.nn", where "raw" is the printer queue name.  So there'sh > no device to show. > F > Similarly, the symbiont process has no allocated devices or anythingH > else in SHOW PROC/ALL that's suggestive of which queue it's servicing. >  > Dave > --------------; > Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV @ > Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak  > for myself >    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.573 ************************