1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 14 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 574       Contents:
 500A to 500AU  Re: 500A to 500AU  500au's and onboard cache  Re: After RTFFAQ :-)B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?4 Anybody running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation?8 Re: Anybody running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation?8 Re: Anybody running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation?8 Re: Anybody running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation?= Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable) " Re: Copying Directories via DecNet& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& RE: Extending LATNET over dial-up line Re: Halon dump - a data point  Hobby VMS license....  Re: Hobby VMS license....  Re: Hobby VMS license....  Re: Hobby VMS license.... # Re: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ? ( Re: internet connection at home with VMS( Re: internet connection at home with VMS' Re: Internetzugang zu Hause von VMS aus : Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?& Multinet FTP client and UCX FTP server* Re: Multinet FTP client and UCX FTP server MV3100/80 boot problem.  Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.  Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.  Re: No system password...  Re: No system password...  Re: No system password...  Re: No system password...  Re: No system password...  Re: No system password...  Re: nonfree Freeware Re: PC164LX compatibility  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Polycenter Scheduler API7 Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer?  StarOffice source released They All Laughed Re: VAX to Alpha (DS10)  Re: VAX to Alpha (DS10)  Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk  Re: VMS ISP?( Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch* Wake up to $237 every morning.  Guaranteed? RE: Was: PC164LX compatibilty - Now:  who FABed the damn system  WebLogic application server  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass! ' Re: Which symbiont handles which queue?   Why can't I buy a stripped DS10?$ Re: Why can't I buy a stripped DS10?$ Re: Why can't I buy a stripped DS10?P Can I  help you? explore your future, believe Me, You never worry, forever hap  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:17:05 -0400 % From: "Lou Solomon" <lny98@yahoo.com>  Subject: 500A to 500AU/ Message-ID: <suf2kfbcg9732b@corp.supernews.com>   I Got a great deal on a digital workstation 500A.  I didn't "caveat emptor" I and found out (through much hard work) that (supposedly) the 500A can NOT ? run OpenVMS.   (note: I'm not very happy with myself right now)   L It was hinted on the "VMS wizard" web site that there is a migration tool toL go from the A to the AU series (which would run VMS).  Is this true? doable?  ( Was this just a trade in type migration?  3 Could I get VMS on it by replacing some components?     Just asking.  Thanks in advance.   Lou Solomon  Intercounty Clearance Corp   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 21:16:24 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)  Subject: Re: 500A to 500AU, Message-ID: <mvma7e03$kOW@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  0 In article <suf2kfbcg9732b@corp.supernews.com>, +     "Lou Solomon" <lny98@yahoo.com> writes:   K > Got a great deal on a digital workstation 500A.  I didn't "caveat emptor" K > and found out (through much hard work) that (supposedly) the 500A can NOT A > run OpenVMS.   (note: I'm not very happy with myself right now)  >      It runs just fine on my 500a.  A    You need to make sure you're using a supported SCSI controller D ( the QLogic one, not the Adaptec ) and CD-ROM drive. You might alsoD find your graphics card isn't supported by VMS ( but you can run VMS6 without a graphics card by using the serial console ).  C   It would also be best to make sure you've got the latest firmware . loaded - you can get it from the support site.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 02:00:44 GMT ' From: moi_is_me <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> " Subject: 500au's and onboard cache) Message-ID: <8s8eoa$n8j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   
 Greetings,  =    Do all 500au's come with onboard cache (i dont think so) ?   <    My friends 500au has 128mb, and SETI took 14.5 hrs, which1    is slower than my 450 PII at work ... 11.5 hrs   5    He dual boots, and TRU64 says no B-cache detected.   /    Q1) If B-cache is optional, can he add any ?   7    Q2) What price difference might I expect between two 8        500 au's on eBay, one with B-Cache, one without ?      thanks inadvance      Pierre    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:22:12 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>  Subject: Re: After RTFFAQ :-) ' Message-ID: <39E78B14.622B1554@iee.org>    Brian Tillman wrote:J > >  CONTINUE may or may not resume after a halt -- on upcoming platforms,M > >  OpenVMS Engineering is expecting that there will be too much I/O context 1 > >  and that reboot or similar will be required.  > % > Bill Gates' influence, do doubt ;-)   6 I'm guessing here, but I think you need to look at the% other half of the wintel alliance ...   $ OTOH I may be well wide of the mark.   Antonio    --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:41:17 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? / Message-ID: <suesrmmmruk626@corp.supernews.com>   B We just received a patch notification where "DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYSD V6.0" was marked "on-hold." We telephoned Compaq and we were told toA take the patch off of the 3 systems we have it installed on since   there are "problems with OPCOM."    5 "Terry Kennedy" <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote in message ! news:G2Cyxv.3sJ@spcuna.spc.edu... C >   I installed the most recent set of patches for Alpha VMS V7.2-1 	 the other > > day, and since then I've gotten a bunch of bugchecks, mostly
 LOCKMGRERR's. D > As I don't have support (this is a hobbyist cluster) I'm wondering if any- E > one else is seeing this, and (if you have support) what Compaq says  about  > it.  >  >   Here are the patches:  > F > PRODUCT                             KIT TYPE    OPERATION   DATE AND TIMEF > ----------------------------------- ----------- ----------- -------- ------------9 > DEC AXPVMS VMS721_F11X V2.0         Patch       Install  10-OCT-2000 17:50:169 > DEC AXPVMS VMS721_IPC V1.0          Patch       Install  10-OCT-2000 17:50:169 > DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V6.0          Patch       Install  10-OCT-2000 17:50:16 > ...    ------------------------------   Date: 13 OCT 2000 19:01:11 GMT4 From: karcher@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu (Carl Karcher)K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? 6 Message-ID: <13OCT00.19011173@thuria.waisman.wisc.edu>  @ In a previous article, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote:M ->  I installed the most recent set of patches for Alpha VMS V7.2-1 the other L ->day, and since then I've gotten a bunch of bugchecks, mostly LOCKMGRERR's.L ->As I don't have support (this is a hobbyist cluster) I'm wondering if any-K ->one else is seeing this, and (if you have support) what Compaq says about  ->it.   9 I just received mail from ECO-Queries@compaq.com that the 4 VMS721_SYS-V0600 patch is now ON HOLD (as of today).   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:26:42 -0700 + From: "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> = Subject: Anybody running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation? > Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001013142452.00b164a0@poptop.llnl.gov>   Hi, L Is anybody out there running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation like a 433  au ?  ) At this point I wonder if it is possible?    Thanks,                 rich frank    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 21:36:30 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)A Subject: Re: Anybody running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation? 6 Message-ID: <8s7v8u$51n$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <4.2.0.58.20001013142452.00b164a0@poptop.llnl.gov>, "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> writes:  M :Is anybody out there running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation like a 433   :au ?   0   What specific problem(s) are you encountering?  * :At this point I wonder if it is possible?  =   Various -au series configurations are officially supported.   H   I am aware of limitations around bootstrapping various of the PersonalI   Workstation systems via IDE CD-ROM on certain -au series boxes -- only  I   a subset of the -au series systems (those with the Cypress and not the  I   Intel SIO) have support for IDE bootstraps, while all of these systems  E   should be able to bootstrap from SCSI CD-ROM or SCSI magnetic disk.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 21:27:36 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) A Subject: Re: Anybody running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation? 0 Message-ID: <8s7uo8$d8l$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  l In article <4.2.0.58.20001013142452.00b164a0@poptop.llnl.gov>, "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> writes: >Hi,M >Is anybody out there running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation like a 433   >au ?  > * >At this point I wonder if it is possible?  ? I have Personal Workstation 500au with 7.2-1 factory installed.    Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:00:44 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>A Subject: Re: Anybody running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation? ' Message-ID: <39E7941C.51921BA3@home.nl>    "richard n. frank" wrote:  >  > Hi, M > Is anybody out there running VMS 7.2-1 on a Personal Workstation like a 433  > au ?   I am !!!   > + > At this point I wonder if it is possible?   > Seems so, or I must be hallucinating for about a year now :-))     Tell us your problem !   > 	 > Thanks,  >                rich frank    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:10:33 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)( Message-ID: <8s8mch$7rn$1@pyrite.mv.net>  ? John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message 2 news:4jidussi0n1bq8ck2a30f2r2t85gqf44oj@4ax.com...G > On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 17:47:53 -0400, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com>  > wrote: > H > >> Also:  I've seen references to "VAX" byte order, which is (given my( > >> example above) something like BADC. > >>6 > >> DO VAXen natively store 4-byte numerics this way? > > F > >IIRC, this particular ordering variation is one inherited from some 32-bitE > >quantities in certain PDP-11 software (e.g., file sizes) that used K > >little-endian within 16-bit words but placed the two words in big-endian 8 > >order.  AFAIK it never got enshrined in any hardware. > < > Hmm, taken a look at any of the Vax floating-point machine > representations ? ;-)  > I > I used to port software across a slew of 16-bit and 32-bit minis in the > > early 80's.  It didn't take long to realise just how logicalI > little-endian is, despite everyone else's (*) assertion that it was the H > wrong way round.  The right way being to put the least significant bit, > in the highest addressed byte, yeah sure !  I Depends on what your priorities are.  For example, I saved many a word of I code on the 11 by taking advantage of the ability to test bit 7 of a word I cheaply - but doing that today is considered poor form, since it arguably A obscures the intent, certainly inhibits portability to big-endian L architectures, and saves something no longer considered worth saving (a word or so).   I On the other hand, having to treat binary quantities in one order (LSB at K lowest address) and strings, packed decimal, and God knows what else in the E other (MSB at lowest address) is at least esthetically unpleasing and L occasionally costs code.  I know if I had to design RMS today, I'd seriouslyC consider discarding the idea of key data types and treat everything L internally as (easily-compressed) string data, leaving it to the applicationJ (perhaps via some standard routines) to mung whatever Outer Mongolian data* type it had into a string-collatable form.  K I cut my coding teeth on 11s and still find little-endian more comfortable, G but am inclined to believe it's largely a matter of taste rather than a G substantive difference - save for the fact that the heterogeneous world E would be a lot easier to deal with if one or the other had never been 	 invented.    - bill   > I > (*)  Before Intel took over the world with the x86, also little endian.  >  > John > -- > John Laird   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:56:04 GMT  From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>+ Subject: Re: Copying Directories via DecNet ' Message-ID: <39E79303.D269BCC1@home.nl>    John Macallister wrote: H >There's another drawback I've seen with doing a backup over Decnet: the saveset G >size.  The target node creates a small file for the saveset, then just  keeps onD >extending it.  The number of headers for the saveset file starts to
 multiple. I >All of a sudden the target system is spending more time fetching headers  than7 >writing data!  I actually observed this using MONITOR.  > I >If there's a large amount of data, break it into chunks with your BACKUP F >command, writing several savesets.  I don't know if the target disk'sJ >parameters (or the target process's RMS defaults) can be tweaked ahead of time  >to compensate for this.  Ideas?  B I've been doing this kind of thing for years, first over DECnet or Kermit, F now using FTP much more than DECnet (but still lots of Kermit xfers ofD savesets, too).  Typically, I just build a BACKUP saveset right on aG *source* system's disk using /INTERCHANGE /BLOCK=8192 (and /VERIFY, but D that's a habit, not a necessity, since we're not worrying about tape media H reliability here; note that since this is an "on-disk" saveset, we don'tF need all of BACKUP's media-error redundancy features for this purpose.: Various judicious use of BACKUP qualifiers can result in aE suitably/optimally small saveset for file transfer purposes --- saves  bandwidth and transfer time.).  C Nowadays, I'll next FTP or Kermit that saveset over to the *target*  system? and unwrap it there (Image mode for FTP!, but today's Kermit is  wonderfully F capable in preserving VMS file attributes, including savesets.  Thanks to Frank and crew!).   2 But in the "good old days" of DECnet, I'd just do:  1   $ BACKUP srcnode::dev:[dir]foo.bck /save [*...]   F to haul-&-replicate a directory tree over to the target node.  Maybe aH subtle point, but making the saveset on the *source* node didn't seem to? have the extent/header/size problem previously pointed out, and 	 "pulling" H (don't push!) the files out of the "remote" saveset works just fine overF DECnet.  Wish we could do the same over TCP/IP (FTP)... ah, what we've given A up for "modern" and "standard" tools, eh?  Kermit remains my most  favoriteD approach nowadays, since I can haul a saveset over phone lines, LAN, WAN, I-net, whatever.  R **********************************************************************************  @ Seems you haven't installed DECnet plus with the TCPIP stack ???H If so you could use $ BACKUP remhost.remcomp.com::dev:[dir]foo.bck /save [*...]. " No need for stoneage FTP transfers   It's all so easy ..... :-))   R ********************************************************************************** For what it's worth ---    Lorin Ricker  G (P.S.  My posting is "supposed" to be in plain-text... so says Outlook. B Would somebody please shout at me again (privately, and just once, please) 8 if it's still showing up as a non-p.t. posting?  thanks)   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:21:21 GMTl+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) / Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up lined1 Message-ID: <RgJF5.83$qj2.10498@news.goodnet.com>   N > Need to extend a LATNET network into a temporary warehouse (~ 1 year?) for aN > couple of ascii terminals and one or two queued, low-usage, printers.  WouldM > like to use an 8 port 90L+ Terminal Server (have a couple unused sitting inyM > a closet) at the warehouse end and would like to connect to main LATNET vian > POTS dial-up telephone line.  J We've used DEC Routeabout Access EW routers in bridging mode to run remoteG LAT networks; it works fine with a 56K dedicated line, but I'd be learyVI of trying it on a dialup.  Routeabouts do support dial-up WAN connectionstE (mainly for use as a backup link if a dedicated link fails) but we've C never tried that.  I don't know how well LAT would work with slowerFF links (since it is actual LAT protocol being bridged across the link).  H The best solution we had for lower speed lines (but still dedicated) wasJ the MUXserver 3xx or MUXserver 90 series with DECmux 300 units.  I _think_F these support use as a dialup (though I'm pretty sure you need to use E synchronous modems and have the proper adapter cables).  These workedtA very well over 19,200 baud lines, and have the ability to set therI printer ports as "background" to minimize their impact on the interactivetG terminals.  This equipment is long discontinued; you'd need to look for G a used equipment vendor.  Sorry, I cannot provide info on the cables or  specific modems.   Rich Jordant rjordan@mcs.net3   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:58:02 -0400e. From: Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com>/ Subject: RE: Extending LATNET over dial-up linem8 Message-ID: <000001c0354f$e5b75620$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>  I And if want to try the Mux server option let me know I have a couple here  complete% with TK50 with  software for them !!!e  $ (wondering what to do with them !!!)   Hank Vander Waal    H The best solution we had for lower speed lines (but still dedicated) wasJ the MUXserver 3xx or MUXserver 90 series with DECmux 300 units.  I _think_E these support use as a dialup (though I'm pretty sure you need to use E synchronous modems and have the proper adapter cables).  These workedtA very well over 19,200 baud lines, and have the ability to set the5I printer ports as "background" to minimize their impact on the interactivewG terminals.  This equipment is long discontinued; you'd need to look fornG a used equipment vendor.  Sorry, I cannot provide info on the cables ort specific modems.   Rich Jordanr rjordan@mcs.nett   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:28:56 -0400.. From: Michael Umbricht <mikeu@shrimp.osfn.org>& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point/ Message-ID: <39E7E108.5506BC36@shrimp.osfn.org>r  H A few years ago I bought a handheld Halon extinguisher at a local supply house.1 I keep it next to my VAX-11/750, just-in-case... e   -mikeu   Tim Shoppa wrote:. > I > A couple years ago we had a thread about Halon fire-suppressing systems > > used in computer rooms.   Through the school of hard knocks,5 > I just learned first hand how such systems operate.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:21:48 GMTn  From: champ_clark666@my-deja.com Subject: Hobby VMS license....) Message-ID: <8s8cf8$lic$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  : 	Just a quite question here.  I got my hands on a MicroVAX? 3100/80 that I'm looking to put "on the net" for me and severaly@ friends (..and pretty much however else wants to use it) to playA with.  It _had_ VMS 5.5-2 loaded,  which I was happy with becausefB it also had a 64 user license/login limit.  As I said in a eariler> post (about the HTL INST PC = 00000B15 messages I'm getting atF boot up),  I think the harddrive might be shot.  With this,  I started) wondering about the VMS hobbiest license.c  9 	If I indeed have to replace the HD and reload VMS,  willhD the OpenVMS 7.2 hobby license restrict the number of Interact logins= that the system is allowed?   I would be using the system for + non-commercial use.. Just for fun..  Thanks-   					- Champ    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.)   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:22:51 -0500 (CDT)w From: sms@antinode.org" Subject: Re: Hobby VMS license....) Message-ID: <00101321225138@antinode.org>o  
    Mr. Clark:y  C    Depending on details, your old license Product Authorization Key G (PAK) data may work just fine with newer software.  (Of course, if yourRG only data are on a bad disk, it may not matter much.  If the thing cametB with the original paper PAKs, that'd be ideal.  Unlikely, though. ) Legality is another question, of course.)e  B    From the evidence I have, the Hobbyist (not "hobbiest") VAX-VMS< license for a MicroVAX allows unlimited users.  (Units = 0.)  >    Also, it's common for the system start-up stuff to say "set8 logins/interactive=64", even if the license allows more.  ?    Do you have a tape drive or CD-ROM drive on the thing (yet)?a   >>>SHOW MEMORY?r   >>>SHOW DEVICE?   < > 	Just a quite question here.  I got my hands on a MicroVAXA > 3100/80 that I'm looking to put "on the net" for me and severalRB > friends (..and pretty much however else wants to use it) to playC > with.  It _had_ VMS 5.5-2 loaded,  which I was happy with becauseaD > it also had a 64 user license/login limit.  As I said in a eariler@ > post (about the HTL INST PC = 00000B15 messages I'm getting atH > boot up),  I think the harddrive might be shot.  With this,  I started+ > wondering about the VMS hobbiest license.m  7    What is it doing, exactly, when it dies, by the way?   ; > 	If I indeed have to replace the HD and reload VMS,  willVF > the OpenVMS 7.2 hobby license restrict the number of Interact logins? > that the system is allowed?   I would be using the system forh- > non-commercial use.. Just for fun..  Thanks   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)-G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)V9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)0   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 03:48:31 GMT0  From: champ_clark666@my-deja.com" Subject: Re: Hobby VMS license....) Message-ID: <8s8l2e$rok$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  ) In article <00101321225138@antinode.org>,2   sms@antinode.org wrote:c >    Mr. Clark:n >sE >    Depending on details, your old license Product Authorization KeyiD > (PAK) data may work just fine with newer software.  (Of course, if yourD > only data are on a bad disk, it may not matter much.  If the thing cameC > with the original paper PAKs, that'd be ideal.  Unlikely, though.h+ > Legality is another question, of course.)   @ 	Acutally... I can probably get the "paper PAK" from the CompanyC that gave me the VAX....  I know most of the administrators of thati; company,  so its not completely unlikely..  Finding them is>> another issue...   Actually,  the paper PAK (upgrades) are not! unlikely for this organization...N  4 	.. And yes.. that data would be on the possible bad. disk.. The other drive was used for user data.  D >    From the evidence I have, the Hobbyist (not "hobbiest") VAX-VMS> > license for a MicroVAX allows unlimited users.  (Units = 0.)  9 	Sorry about that, I should really check my spelling, eh?r
 (Sigh)....  @ >    Also, it's common for the system start-up stuff to say "set: > logins/interactive=64", even if the license allows more.  7 	Actually, I'm aware of that.  I think this machine was0> purchased with a 64 user limit license...  You may be correct,; but I'm pretty sure this is the case...  Also, at the time,s< I was not sure what compilers and what not would be included@ in a hobbyist VMS install... Actually.. I might be better off...? I think the 5.5-2 install I had,  had a C compiler..  thats allu- (then again,  who knows now at this point...)t    A >    Do you have a tape drive or CD-ROM drive on the thing (yet)?r   	No.. not yet....t  / 	I've been offered a TK50 from the company thatsA gave me the VAX.. I declined,  but now with the recent (possible)aG hardware failure,  I've asked them if they have 5.5-2 on Tk50.. I might ? grab it then..  know the "hobbyist" distribution is only via CDo8 (correct?)...  I've never done installs of VMS from CD..B Is there anything special about the CDROM (hardware) that I should< know about?   Can I use the old external SCSI CDROM from the> RS/6000 (520) that I have, or are VAX's very picky about there" CDROMS (like some SUN hardware)...   > >>>SHOW MEMORY?n >o > >>>SHOW DEVICE?i >r  3 	Don't have either, but I'll post both tommorrow...-  > > > 	Just a quite question here.  I got my hands on a MicroVAXC > > 3100/80 that I'm looking to put "on the net" for me and several2D > > friends (..and pretty much however else wants to use it) to playE > > with.  It _had_ VMS 5.5-2 loaded,  which I was happy with becausegF > > it also had a 64 user license/login limit.  As I said in a earilerB > > post (about the HTL INST PC = 00000B15 messages I'm getting atB > > boot up),  I think the harddrive might be shot.  With this,  I startedt- > > wondering about the VMS hobbiest license.e >d9 >    What is it doing, exactly, when it dies, by the way?-    3 	The system is not setup for autoboot..  Anyways...I% At the ">>>" ,  I hit "b" for boot...8  0 	 From there I get the "HLT INST", under that...   	PC = 00000B15  PSL = 041F0004  7 	Never shows anything else......  Brings me back to thei< ">>>".. prompt..  I try to boot (bypassing the STARTUP.COM),: "B/1",  and I get the same error (and no SYSBOOT> prompt).6 At this point I'm pretty sure that DKA0: is dead......  - 	I've done the "b/1" on this unit before.....0     		Thanks for responding!   				- Champ>    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:24:27 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org" Subject: Re: Hobby VMS license....) Message-ID: <00101323242738@antinode.org>m  
    Mr. Clark:t  5 > 	The system is not setup for autoboot..  Anyways...m  "    SHOW HALT ?  ("2" = auto-boot?)  ' > At the ">>>" ,  I hit "b" for boot...  > 2 > 	 From there I get the "HLT INST", under that... >   > 	PC = 00000B15  PSL = 041F0004 > 9 > 	Never shows anything else......  Brings me back to the > > ">>>".. prompt..  I try to boot (bypassing the STARTUP.COM),< > "B/1",  and I get the same error (and no SYSBOOT> prompt).8 > At this point I'm pretty sure that DKA0: is dead......  H    I assume that the power-on diagnostics do not complain about anythingH ("?").  If there are complaints, that can prevent an auto-boot even when it's selected.  ?    Does it mention the disk it's using after you say "B"?  Like 
 (perhaps):   >>>B (BOOT/R5:0 DKA0)  2.. -DKA0s  1..0..t  B    After you do the "SHOW DEVICE", if any disk names appear (DKA0,D ...?), you can try "B DKA0" or "B DKB100", or whatever.  It probably) won't help, but it'll be something to do.l  G    "SHOW BOOT" may tell you which device it's trying to boot from (when H you don't specify one).  "SHOW BFLG" might also be informative.  (Likely" it's zero, which would be normal.)  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)eG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)d   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:48:23 GMTm From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>, Subject: Re: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?' Message-ID: <39E79137.AFC6449A@home.nl>    "richard n. frank" wrote:d >  > Greetings,L > I've got a 433 au (Personal Workstation) that was AlphaNT. I've loaded theJ > latest firmware (VMS  PALcode 1.20-16) and have the SRM console (>>>) upE > and OStype set to VMS. There are 2 scsi hdd's on the system (id 0 &i, > 1).  The cd appears to be ide using ATAPI.  E And that is the problem. This IDE controller (and thus the CD-ROM) istG not supported in VMS. Get yourself a Compaq/Digital/Toshiba SCSI CD-ROMd player, and all will be well.M         > M > When I try to load VMS 7.2-1 by booting the cdrom it starts to boot, writes - > "... Open VMS 7.2-1..." to the screen then,,I > "init_io_db_cfg_dev_not_found  A device on the boot line or in BOOT_DEVgL > cannot be found in the config tables... ignoring the device... not loading > the driver." > K > The system then halts, starts to reboot and repeats this message forever.b > 8 > Any ideas on how to overcome this problem are welcome. >  > Thanks for the help.+ >                                rich franke > J > It appears that VMS is not recognizing the cdrom, but it is loading some > data from it.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:31:57 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>-1 Subject: Re: internet connection at home with VMS , Message-ID: <39E7551D.39A30770@videotron.ca>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:I > these vendors.  Be forwarded!  If you go with any of these devices, therH > vendors will be less then amicable unless you tell them you run Billy-I > warez even though most of the issues you may have are totally unrelatedn5 > to the operating system of the devices you connect.   M How true. Took me 3 weeks to convince my ISP that I had changed nothing at myiI end yet the cable connection no longer worked (their DHCP would no longerMK respond).  Because I have 2 vaxes on the same ethernet as the macintosh andoK the cable modem (only the MAC uses the cable modem since the vaxes can't doiM dhcp), they woudl automatically blame my lan even though I provided them withfN ethernet traces showing that the mac was sending DHCP requests and I could seeD packets coming from beyond the cable modem (arps from their router).  L Finally got to a technically superior person who looked up and revealed thatG they had loaded my modem with a new version of software with some knownGH issues. He reconfigured the modem to load on the old software and voila, problem resolved.   N Two weeks later, I get emails from the low-life first level support continuingJ to claim that they cannot support me and that since nothing had changed onK their side, that the problem HAD to be because of my vaxes :-) :-) :-) :-) tK (They obviously were not aware that the problem had been resolved, and thatn0 there had been in fact changes made by the ISP).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:09:50 GMTd= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e1 Subject: Re: internet connection at home with VMSh0 Message-ID: <009F18B0.18A7A7BE@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <39E7551D.39A30770@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:eJ >> these vendors.  Be forwarded!  If you go with any of these devices, theI >> vendors will be less then amicable unless you tell them you run Billy-dJ >> warez even though most of the issues you may have are totally unrelated6 >> to the operating system of the devices you connect. >eN >How true. Took me 3 weeks to convince my ISP that I had changed nothing at myJ >end yet the cable connection no longer worked (their DHCP would no longerL >respond).  Because I have 2 vaxes on the same ethernet as the macintosh andL >the cable modem (only the MAC uses the cable modem since the vaxes can't doN >dhcp), they woudl automatically blame my lan even though I provided them withO >ethernet traces showing that the mac was sending DHCP requests and I could seeFE >packets coming from beyond the cable modem (arps from their router).* >*M >Finally got to a technically superior person who looked up and revealed that H >they had loaded my modem with a new version of software with some knownI >issues. He reconfigured the modem to load on the old software and voila,  >problem resolved.    * Rule #1 of cable system technical support:  =    Always blame the customer when there is a service problem.   * Rule #2 of cable system technical support:  1    Request that the customer reboot the computer.r  * Rule #3 of cable system technical support:   4    Request that the customer reinstall all software.  * Rule #4 of cable system technical support:      Repeat at Rule #2.l        O >Two weeks later, I get emails from the low-life first level support continuingaK >to claim that they cannot support me and that since nothing had changed onaL >their side, that the problem HAD to be because of my vaxes :-) :-) :-) :-) L >(They obviously were not aware that the problem had been resolved, and that1 >there had been in fact changes made by the ISP).n  L Doesn't it make you wish that there was some minimal intellectual assessmentL test which must be passed before one is permitted to partake in the consump- tion of oxygen?  r   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             bO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.(   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:59:10 +0200m( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>0 Subject: Re: Internetzugang zu Hause von VMS aus& Message-ID: <39E74D6E.F2488BD9@cli.de>   Phillip Helbig schrieb:e > F > This message is in German since it is only of interest to people who > live in Germany. > D > Wie man in meinem anderen Post von heute nachlesen kann, komme ichH > endlich dazu, mich von zu Hause aus ans Internet anzubinden von meinenI > VMS-Kisten aus.  Auer den technischen Fragen, die dort auftauchen, bin I > ich interessiert an Firmen, die so etwas anbieten.  Vor etwa anderthalb H > Jahren, als ich hiermit anfing, bin ich auf zwei Firmen gestoen.  DieH > Preisunterschiede waren erheblich, also lohnt wahrscheinlich die Suche > nach anderen Firmen. > G also ich weiss nicht, ob das genau das ist, was Du suchst, aber bei mirvG luft eine Linux-Box (486/66,16MB) mit passiver ISDN-Karte als Dial-up-nH Router. Das Ding macht NAT und darber kommen auch meine VAXen ins Netz.F Da das unter Linux so trivial war, habe ich mir keinerlei Mhe mit VMS gegeben.F Aber ein einfacher ISDN-Router, die Dinger gibt's fr 500,-, sollte esH fr zuhause auch tun. NAT knnen die (fast) alle und die VAX hat TCP/IP.  G ADSL wird sicherlich schwierigfer, da hier PPPoE notwendig wird und dasd3 glaube ich gibt's nicht fr VMS, jedooch fr Linux.t   -- a( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.denC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89n   ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:15:50 -0500 (CDT)- From: sms@antinode.orgC Subject: Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?i) Message-ID: <00101320155078@antinode.org>m  - From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com>s  I > I could be wrong here (happens all the time), but I believe you need to 8 > set ALLOCLASS to a non-zero value to MSCP serve disks.  C    I think it happened again.  It never has been needed for locallya@ attached disks (tapes).  Also, note that while both systems haveH ALLOCLASS = 0, the VAX sees the Alpha disks, but not the other way.  The asymmetry bothers me.e  ) From: Maulis Adam <maulis@ludens.elte.hu>-  E > $ MCR SYSGEN HELP SYS_PARAM MSCP_SERVE_ALL      ! changed since 7.1mE > $ MCR SYSGEN HELP SYS_PARAM TMSCP_SERVE_ALL     ! changed since 7.1c  E    So far as I can see, "1" says serve everything.  The VAX says it's8+ serving them.  The Alpha does not see them.     F    Of course, the help for TMSCP_SERVE_ALL refers, in places, to disks4 rather than tapes, but I assume that the ideas hold:  &                                  vvvvvH >        o  0 - Do not serve any disks (the default for earlier versions >           of OpenVMS).)                                     vvvvvg* >        o  1 - Serve all available disks.H                                                                    vvvvvI >        o  2 - Serve only locally attached (non-HSx and non-DSSI) disks.f > D >        If the TMSCP_LOAD system parameter is 0, TMSCP_SERVE_ALL is >        ignored.i  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)o9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:58:48 GMTw From: fruth@axp.abpa-tpa.com/ Subject: Multinet FTP client and UCX FTP servert) Message-ID: <8s80il$ceh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  A A Multinet client using FTP to 'PUT' a file to one of our UCX FTPt7 servers gets the message "<Requested action not taken".,C Is there any way to get Multinet to give more information about why  the action was not taken?0   For elimination purposes:r5 - The client is able to use GET and DIR successfully.i7 - The client is also able to use PUT when referencing ae;   different server on our end(same versions of VMS and UCX) F - On our end, the TCPIP$FTP_SERVER.LOG does not indicate any problems.C - I have VMS Security auditing on, there are no messages indicatingf   a file access failure.A - On our end, we are able to use FTP to the server using the sameh6   username/password as the client and are able to PUT.    Any suggestions are appreciated.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.T   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:13:47 GMTr+ From: Craig A. Berry <calepine@my-deja.com> 3 Subject: Re: Multinet FTP client and UCX FTP servera) Message-ID: <8s84v7$g21$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  ) In article <8s80il$ceh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,H   fruth@axp.abpa-tpa.com wrote:pC > A Multinet client using FTP to 'PUT' a file to one of our UCX FTPt9 > servers gets the message "<Requested action not taken". A > Is there any way to get Multinet to give more information about- why- > the action was not taken?-  < This could be highly dependent on Multinet and UCX versions.> You should certainly talk to Process and/or Compaq if you have= support contracts and search the relevant web sites for ECOs.   D Tinker with turning passive mode on or off in the PUT that fails.  I? think Multinet's default changed with some version awhile back. ; Also check for settings related to this on the server side.m  ? Try using tcpdump to see exactly what traffic is going back and$$ forth between the server and client.  A Consider replacing the ftp service on the server with the problemC8 with MadGoat FTP (www.madgoat.com).  It might get things, working or it might fail more informatively.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:06:39 GMTi From: champ@vistech.nets  Subject: MV3100/80 boot problem.) Message-ID: <8s7q09$6qv$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u   This is killing me...c  B I've read tons of FAQ's,  but I can't seem to find any information@ regardinging my problem (sigh).  So,  I've decided to post here.  E I recently got a MicroVAX 3100/80 with VMS 5.5-2 loaded.   The system,@ was working fine and dandy.  I decided to reconfigure TWG TCP/IPH settings.  In the process,  I mangled my STARTINET.COM.  No big deal.  IC booted the VAX from the ">>>" with the "B/1" to get to the SYSBOOT>tB prompt and bypassed the STARTUP.COM stuff... Anyways.. I fixed the. problem,  then rebooted... And now I get this!   HLT INST PC = 00000B15 BSL =041F0004   D Could the Harddrive had _died_ in that brief amount of time?   I wasD messing around in the little boot enviroment (type "halt", etc), butB don't think I would have messed up anything terribly serious.  For5 example,  I didnt reset the boot devices or anything.c  8 Anyone have any idea what this error message might mean?  /                                   - Champ Clarku    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 21:05:53 GMT / From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net>o$ Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.F Message-ID: <ROKF5.20126$h%1.104262@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>  . Even with the STARTUP stuff bypassed (again)??   -Tom  H <champ@vistech.net> wrote in message news:8s7q09$6qv$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > This is killing me...v >.D > I've read tons of FAQ's,  but I can't seem to find any informationB > regardinging my problem (sigh).  So,  I've decided to post here. > G > I recently got a MicroVAX 3100/80 with VMS 5.5-2 loaded.   The system B > was working fine and dandy.  I decided to reconfigure TWG TCP/IPJ > settings.  In the process,  I mangled my STARTINET.COM.  No big deal.  IE > booted the VAX from the ">>>" with the "B/1" to get to the SYSBOOT>DD > prompt and bypassed the STARTUP.COM stuff... Anyways.. I fixed the0 > problem,  then rebooted... And now I get this! >1
 > HLT INST > PC = 00000B15 BSL =041F0004f >mF > Could the Harddrive had _died_ in that brief amount of time?   I wasF > messing around in the little boot enviroment (type "halt", etc), butD > don't think I would have messed up anything terribly serious.  For7 > example,  I didnt reset the boot devices or anything.5 >s: > Anyone have any idea what this error message might mean? >t1 >                                   - Champ Clarkb >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.h   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 22:26:23 GMTy  From: champ_clark666@my-deja.com$ Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.) Message-ID: <8s8269$dq4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>B  F In article <ROKF5.20126$h%1.104262@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>,2   "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net> wrote:0 > Even with the STARTUP stuff bypassed (again)?? >  > -Tom  ) 	No no.. Let me explain a little better..h  @ -	I got a MV3100,  and decided to put it on the Internet. Booted8 	the system (successfully) and modified somefiles in the  	twg$tcp:[netdist.etc] diectory.  < -	Rebooted the system,  and it would not bring me to a login: 	prompt on reboot (The system was technically booted,  but= 	there was a error in one of the twg$tcp:[netdist.etc] file).2; 	It kept saying something about a invalid queue name.  Overs% 	and over again this message came up.S  : -	Reset the system and at the ">>>" prompt (this system is8 	not currently setup to autoboot"),  did a "B/1",  which6 	brought me to the SYSBOOT> prompt.  Did the nessesary% 	commands to "bypass" the STARTUP.COMs  : -	That worked,  and I got to a DCL prompt.  I modified the6 	"broken files",  and SHUTDOWN the system.  This time,< 	I was going to let it boot like normal. (without the "B/1")  > -	I got to the ">>>" prompt, and type "b" to boot (as normal).2 	This time,  the system HALT'ed with the following 	code:  	 	HTL INST  	PC = 00000B15 PSL = 041F0004   ;  	I'm almost starting to thinks it a hardware (SCSI) error.y< Its just wierd.. It was booting fine,  then in a five minute@ period, it stop and HALT'ed with the above!  I haven't kick this: box (Hell,  the machine is in Tallahassee, Fl.. and I'm in? Jacksonville).  I was playing around at the ">>>" console,  andi< I hope I just screwed something up there and it'll be a easy? fix.  My gut tells me the HD died.. Which sucks because I don'tg: have any sort of install media (sigh).   Any help would be> great (because I don't want to drive to Tallahassee)... Thanks  6 	Oh yeah.. Even the "b/1" to get me to the SYSBOOT.EXE< doesn't work!  It never gets that far,  and just returns the same "HLT" message.-     >v& > <champ@vistech.net> wrote in message# news:8s7q09$6qv$1@nnrp1.deja.com...e > > This is killing me...r > > F > > I've read tons of FAQ's,  but I can't seem to find any informationD > > regardinging my problem (sigh).  So,  I've decided to post here. > >cB > > I recently got a MicroVAX 3100/80 with VMS 5.5-2 loaded.   The systemD > > was working fine and dandy.  I decided to reconfigure TWG TCP/IPC > > settings.  In the process,  I mangled my STARTINET.COM.  No bigt deal.  IG > > booted the VAX from the ">>>" with the "B/1" to get to the SYSBOOT>tF > > prompt and bypassed the STARTUP.COM stuff... Anyways.. I fixed the2 > > problem,  then rebooted... And now I get this! > >T > > HLT INST > > PC = 00000B15 BSL =041F0004o > >pH > > Could the Harddrive had _died_ in that brief amount of time?   I wasH > > messing around in the little boot enviroment (type "halt", etc), butF > > don't think I would have messed up anything terribly serious.  For9 > > example,  I didnt reset the boot devices or anything.  > >e< > > Anyone have any idea what this error message might mean? > >.3 > >                                   - Champ Clark  > >  > >y* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.r >  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:51:44 +0200 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>" Subject: Re: No system password...& Message-ID: <39E74BB0.EFFB39FA@cli.de>   Andreas Safranek schrieb:0 > 
 >    Hello > N > Ive a MicroVAX 2000 and no System password, i tried 2 methodes to crack teh > password.  > K > One is from: http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5a > 8 This method alwas worked fin for me in the last 8 years.! Can you post a session-protocol ?    --  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:02:23 +0200h( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>" Subject: Re: No system password...& Message-ID: <39E74E2F.32700FB2@cli.de>   Bernd Eckstein schrieb:  > lots of typos..." sorry, again without the typos ;-)  N > Ive a MicroVAX 2000 and no System password, i tried 2 methodes to crack teh > password.u >IK > One is from: http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5e >s: This method always worked fine for me in the last 8 years.! Can you post a session-protocol ?a     -- o( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.desC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89n   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 17:32:34 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)g" Subject: Re: No system password...+ Message-ID: <YSg6lJrnz3lP@eisner.decus.org>i  V In article <39E73A17.678DA1D6@mmaz.com>, "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:H > Using the alternate UAF method only works if the system manager has l=
 > eft that asg > an open security hole. > H > The only guaranteed method is to use SET/STARTUP OPA0: under conversa=
 > tional bootr  G Since the second method you list exists, I would hardly count the first H one as an "open security hole", since it cannot work in any circumstance where the second would fail.  E Sort of like the web page I read the other day explaining that it wasn? possible to crack into a VMS system if you just had privileges.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:07:02 +0100n; From: "Andreas Safranek" <andreas.safranek@sea.ericsson.se> " Subject: Re: No system password...5 Message-ID: <dQKF5.349$_o.9440@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>   % When i try to run authorize (nr. 5 ine> http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5 )9 i am promted for a username and password, here i fail....   $ i did it like described in the docu!   Thanks, Andreas Safranek  H P.S. I was told (i didnt set uip this maschine) that a original restoreF whit a tape drive was done; yes a harddrive is installed, and yes its really old)d  C Teijo Forsell <teijo.forsell@compaq.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:q+ 8s7dgb$t1q$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com...b >n > > One is from:< http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5 > >i? > > BOTH of these didnt work, i dont know whtat do do now !?!o > >i >aD > Would You mind telling what was wrong with the MGMT5 method? It is regardedB > as bullet proof method of getting privileged access to a system. >f
 > Regards, > Teijoa >u >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:08:33 +0100e; From: "Andreas Safranek" <andreas.safranek@sea.ericsson.se> " Subject: Re: No system password...5 Message-ID: <DRKF5.350$_o.8936@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>t  % When i try to run authorize (nr. 5 in.> http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5 )9 i am promted for a username and password, here i fail....o  $ i did it like described in the docu!   Thanks, Andreas Safranek  H P.S. I was told (i didnt set uip this maschine) that a original restoreF whit a tape drive was done; yes a harddrive is installed, and yes its really old)h  , P.S.S. session protocol, dont know! ; sorry    = Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:o 39E74BB0.EFFB39FA@cli.de...n > Andreas Safranek schrieb:  > >w > >    Hello > > L > > Ive a MicroVAX 2000 and no System password, i tried 2 methodes to crack tehn
 > > password.e > >c > > One is from:< http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5 > >a: > This method alwas worked fin for me in the last 8 years.# > Can you post a session-protocol ?  >a > --* > Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsE > B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.deVE > Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89b   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 21:27:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: No system password...6 Message-ID: <8s7uno$4p9$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  s In article <dQKF5.349$_o.9440@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>, "Andreas Safranek" <andreas.safranek@sea.ericsson.se> writes:n& :When i try to run authorize (nr. 5 in? :http://www.openvms.digital.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html#MGMT5 ) : :i am promted for a username and password, here i fail.... :r% :i did it like described in the docu!S  !   Did you see any error messages?o  H   I would initially assume a missed a step or a mistyped step somewhere H   during the procedure.  (eg: Failure to enter the SPAWN command before H   invoking the @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP command would cause you to be logged F   out at the end of the startup procedure, and you would then see the 0   login prompt when you next tapped "return".)    H   If you are prone to "fat-fingering" (mistyping) commands -- and I haveI   certainly been known to botch my share of DCL statements over the yearsn2   -- then you might want to enter the DCL command:  
     SET NOON L  F   immediately prior to the SPAWN command in the MISC5 procedure.  ThenI   immediately issue the SPAWN command and the remainder of the procedure.-  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 18:48:02 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>8 Subject: Re: nonfree Freewareo- Message-ID: <39E79F32.AF3A2A6F@earthlink.net>    Hoff Hoffman wrote:  >  >   If y'all want, [snip]u  7 Been talking to the dee-eff-dubbya guys, have ya, Hoff?    -- a David J. Dachterao dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 19:10:22 -0500e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r" Subject: Re: PC164LX compatibility- Message-ID: <39E7A46E.14FCB43E@earthlink.net>    Dan Allen wrote: [total snippage]   Dan,    @ There is a problem in your newsreader/poster setup. I quote from Netscape V4.61:V  @ "The Certificate that was used to digitally sign this message is	 invalid. i  B It is impossible to prove that this message actually came from the sender.   E The error was: The security library has experienced a database error.)= You will probably be unable to connect to this site securely.   F This message included the Security Certificate for , and was signed onF Thu Oct 12 08:00:59 2000. To check the Certificate or edit Certificate3 Trust Information, press the ``View/Edit'' button. h  F This Certificate has automatically been added to your list of People'sD Certificates to make it possible for you to send secure mail to this person."  G In NS V4.61 on my Linux box at the office, NS refuses to even open youra? postings. I must manually mark them as read and just skip them.   / Deja does not seem to have a problem with them.e   -- D David J. Dachterap dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/"  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.e   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 15:29:55 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <aQn9TzRbJUHi@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>l  - In article <8s79s0$8a4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, r9     	mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:g [...] K > The only problem now is that I modified the fontmap.vms file to work withTJ > the files in SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.XDPS.OUTLINE] wherever possible insteadN > of using the fonts that ship with ghostscript.   Sounds like installing the & > next DECwindows will break that. ...  H         Without suggesting that one violate  copyrights or anything likeH     that,  IANAL,  would  it be sufficient to copy that directory  to  aH     place where it won't get removed when the  new  DECwindows  arrives?H     That  is,  are  the  outline files independent of other files in the     [SYSFONT...] tree?           -Ken --M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Eduy:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 23:04:07 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS, Message-ID: <8s84d7$p5k@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <aQn9TzRbJUHi@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:. >In article <8s79s0$8a4@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, : >    	mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: >[...]L >> The only problem now is that I modified the fontmap.vms file to work withK >> the files in SYS$COMMON:[SYSFONT.XDPS.OUTLINE] wherever possible instead,O >> of using the fonts that ship with ghostscript.   Sounds like installing the  ' >> next DECwindows will break that. ...g >aI >        Without suggesting that one violate  copyrights or anything likedI >    that,  IANAL,  would  it be sufficient to copy that directory  to  a I >    place where it won't get removed when the  new  DECwindows  arrives?iI >    That  is,  are  the  outline files independent of other files in thet >    [SYSFONT...] tree?t >   I What you are suggesting would work - technically.  However, they all have D Adobe copyright notices in them, so legally, it looks very dubious.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu(? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:27:07 -0700i From: James.F.Duff@fhs.com! Subject: Polycenter Scheduler API?C Message-ID: <OFE69B3A89.6D25F6EE-ON88256977.007EF430@HEALTHNET.COM>j  @ Has anyone had experience calling the CA (hawk, spit) ScheduleIT API?  / The documentation is lacking, to say the least.   3 I am particularly looking for an example of calling:@ VSS$GET_SD_CLASS_INFO to return included dates for the specified special day class.   Any help appreciated.h   TIA, Jim. -- James.F.Duff@healthnet.com Pure personal opinion.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:44:58 -0500 ' From: John Stott <jpstott@src.wisc.edu>'@ Subject: Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer?8 Message-ID: <9useuss5blc3bdl7eguhs8e956j02ldu1j@4ax.com>  D I suppose that using the single user base license in the new programA combined with the CSLG upgrade to multi-user might be legal. Thish? is the way to get from two user to multi-user on the server anddB workstation base licenses. I guess we might at least get Compaq to comment on this.   -- R5 John P. Stott                    jpstott@src.wisc.edun8 Synchrotron Radiation Center     http://www.src.wisc.edu4 University of Wisconsin-Madison  http://www.wisc.edu   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 14:27:54 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) # Subject: StarOffice source releasedy* Message-ID: <8s7k7a$s2p$1@lisa.gemair.com>  8 Well, it's happened, the other shoe has fallen.  Sun has) released the StarOffice 6 (alpha) source.a   See the article here:   Q http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20001013/tc/sun_open_source_for_the_masses_1.html   ) Hmmf... 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Moreover, > statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday through Multi-Level Marketing. =209@ You may have heard this story before, but over the summer Donald@ Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman show. Dave askedE him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start over fromoD scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good networkC marketing company and get to work. The audience started to hoot and D boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his response:C "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all sitting out there!"  =20nB The enclosed information is something I almost let slip through myB fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read everything and gaveC somethought and study to it. My name is Johnathon Rourke. Two yearsEG ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years down-sized =o and myE position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I decidedr< to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred many= unforeseen financial problems.  I owed my family, friends andG creditors over $35,000.aE The economy was taking a toll on my business and I just couldn't seemoC to make ends meet. I had to refinance and borrow against my home tonC support my family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT somethingo= significant happened in my life and I am writing to share the-; experience in hopes that this will change your life FOREVER5 FINANCIALLY!!! =20i@ In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. Six month's; prior to receiving this program I had been sending away fornD information on various business opportunities. All of the programs IB received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were eitherF too difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too = muchE for me to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I =l would J make a million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write = a   book to make it!y =20"E But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received this program. I.> didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just got my name off aI mailing list.THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it several times, =u to make-I sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes. Here was a =A MONEYS? MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I wanted to start,tD without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and paperE and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But like mostcD of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about theF legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post OfficeF  (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is indeed legal! = After D  determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN LETTER, I decided  "WHY NOT."  =20 E Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. It cost me about $15 for my timeND on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any moneyB for printing to send out the program, and because all of my ordersB are fulfilled via e-mail, my only expense is my time. I am tellingF you like it is I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself = that I would not6 "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money it made me. =20sE In less than one week, I was starting to receive orders for REPORT #1-F By January 13, I had received 26 orders for REPORT #1. Your goal is to< "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF9 YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" My firstpC step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done.  By January 30, I had =e receivedG 196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERSa< FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS' UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS,wB THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL." Well, IB had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I needed. So I sat backH and relaxed. By March 1, of my e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 = with  more coming in every day. =20 E I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new car. Please takeiE time to read the attached program, IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!pE ! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This program does worknD , but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of not tryingA to place your name in a different place. It won't work and you'll. lose out on a lot of money!oA In order for this program to work, you must meet your goal of 20+.G orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for REPORT #2 and you will make =t $50,000r7  or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!!  =20-@ If you choose not to participate in this program, I am sorry. ItE really is a great opportunity with little cost or risk to you. If yousE choose to participate, follow the program and you will be on your wayaD to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner and are inG financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business, =( consider this a sign. I DID!i =20.+                                  Sincerely,r.                               Johnathon Rourke =20r@             A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM: =20s? By the time you have read the enclosed program and reports, youdA should have concluded that such a program, and one that is legal,e* could not have been created by an amateur. =20MB Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a profitable businessE for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began falling off. I was doing E the same things that were previously successful for me, but it wasn'tmE working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy.aE Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had been @ with us since 1945.I don't have to tell you what happened to the= unemployment rate... because many of you know from first hand G experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before.- =20-C The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they were doingeD invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, including those whoE never had anything to save or invest, were moving down into the ranks B of the poor. As the saying goes, "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POORE GET POORER." The traditional methods of making money will never allow ; you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that.t =20g> You have just received information that can give you financialD freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" and "JUST A LITTLEG BIT OF EFFORT." You can make more money in the next few months than youoJ  have ever imagined. I should also point out that I will not see a penny = of thise> money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial for thisB program. I have already made over 4 MILLION DOLLARS!I have retiredC from the program after sending thousands and thousands of programs.- =20-E Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not change it in any way C . It works exceedingly well as it is now. Remember to e-mail a copye@ of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. One of theH people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on = everyone oft them!  =20aC Remember though, the more you send out the more potential customerse you will reach.. =20 D So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information, materials andC opportunity to become financially independent. IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!a =20r.                               "THINK ABOUT IT" =20sB Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I almost did,E take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK ABOUT IT. Get a pencileE and figure out what could happen when YOU participate. Figure out the.D worst possible response and no matter how you calculate it, you will@ still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what youE invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders comee
 in. IT WORKS!p =20u2                          Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA =20s?      HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF  DOLLAR$i =20D,                                INSTRUCTIONS: =20 < This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% EVERY TIME.A I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the next 90wD days. Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program carefully. =20e> This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal money makingD opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As with all multi-level@ businesses, we build our business by recruiting new partners andB selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to recruit" new multi-level business partners,A and we offer a product for EVERY dollar sent. YOUR ORDERS COME BYaB MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not involved in personalD selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or office. This: is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing anywhere. =20o3                           This is what you MUST do:L =20wC 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below (you can't sell themr if youdon't order them).D -- For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT= YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME & RETURNtB ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to the person whose name appears onA the list next to the report.  MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ONe+ YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS!dB -- When you place your order, make sure you order each of the fourD reports. You will need all four reports so that you can save them on your computer and resell them.C -- Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each of the four H reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible for you = to send-6 to the 1,000's of people who will order them from you. =20 E 2. IMPORTANT DO NOT alter the names of the people who are listed next D to each report, or their sequence on the list, in any way other thanD is instructed below in steps "a" through "f" or you will lose out onE the majority of your profits. Once you understand the way this works,.D you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. Remember, this= method has been tested,and if you alter it, it will not work..3 a. Look below for the listing of available reports.tE b. After you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement andnB       remove the name and address under REPORT #4. This person hasA made it through the cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000!i? c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT #4.n? d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT #3.o? e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.l7 f.  Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.p =20w>      Please make sure you COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name and address,      ACCURATELY! =20 E 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified list of names, and D save it to your computer. Make NO changes to the instruction portion of this letter.y =20 B    Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing (surely; you can afford $20). You obviously already have an Internetc connection and e-mail is FREE! =20,B           There are two primary methods of building your downline: =20:5                        METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAILc =20 B Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see how it goes,? and we'll assume you and all those involved send out only 2,000kA programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a 0.5%eD response. Using a good list the response could be much better. Also,% many people will send out hundreds oft@ thousands of programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with thisE example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, that C is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people respond by sending0E out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100rE people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail out 2,000 programse each for a total of 200,000.D The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000E send out 2,000 programs each for a 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% responsetB to that is 10,000 orders for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills forE you. CASH!!! Your total income in this example is $50 + $500 + $5,000n + $50,000 for a total ofC $55,550!!! REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000e< PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND TRASH THIS8 PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF= EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF 2,000.cF Believe me, many people will do justthat, and more! By the way, your = cost to$I participate in this is practically nothing.  You obviously already have =S an InternetsA connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT #2 will show you the bestt* methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you whereE to obtain free bulk e-mail software and where to obtain e-mail lists.  =203<                 METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET =20-D Advertising on the internet is very, very inexpensive, and there areC HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. Let's say you decide to start1D small just to see how well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLYD 10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREEH ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also assume thatB  everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline members.=  Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results below:$ =20$! 1st level--your 10 members with = , $5.......................................$50D 2nd level--10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100)..................$500B 3rd level--10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000)...........$5,000@ 4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10,000).....$50,0001                    THIS TOTALS ---------->$55,550  =20 C Remember friends, this assumes that the people who participate onlytD recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what would happen if theyD got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of participants!H THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail = themD  the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICEH  ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY send out with = YOURB name and address on it will be prompt because they can't advertise until they receive the report! =20y/                               AVAILABLE REPORTSe =20u<                 *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME ***)                                    Notes:eB -- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS NOT      ACCEPTED./ -- ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL. A -- Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least twoS: sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper, include:C      (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering, (b) youra3 e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal address.e =20h9                   PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:U =20 = REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the$	 Internet"  =20  ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:k Site Pro PO Box 7986e Chandler, AZ 85246 =20 7 REPORT #2: "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail"G ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:$
 A.P. Tritt
 P.O. Box 6462$ Douglasville, GA 30154 =20SB REPORT #3: "The Secret's to Multi-Level Marketing on the Internet" ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:n Kristin Butler 32 McCullough Rd Cody, WY 82414 =20y@ REPORT #4: "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power of = Multilevel Marketing and the Internet"r ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:a ADRP10 PO Box 7794! Athens, GA 30604-7794t =20o  >                About 50,000 new people get online every month! =20k9                          ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******aC -- TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and followr the directions accurately.C -- Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them whensD the orders start coming in because: When you receive a $5 order, you+ MUST send out the requested product/report.t= -- ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. A -- Be patient and persistent with this program. If you follow thew;      instructions exactly, your results WILL BE SUCCESSFUL!u? -- ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL SUCCEED!t =20l:                    ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******?              Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:s =20L> If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within two weeks, continue =20 D advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Then, a couple of weeksE later you should receive at least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you donaB 't, continue advertising or sending e-mails until you do. Once you> have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN RELAX,@ because the system is already working for you, and the cash will continue to roll in! =20 5                        THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:aA Every time your name is moved down on the list, you are placed in C front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS bylB watching which report people are ordering from you. If you want to? generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or continue C placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no limit toe0 the income you will generate from this business! =20eE Before you make your decision as to whether or not you participate innD this program. Please answer one question. DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOURD LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the following facts about
 this program:a =20aE 1. You are selling a product which does not Cost anything to PRODUCE,d SHIP OR ADVERTISE.) 2. All of your customers pay you in CASH! 9 3. E-mail is without question the most powerful method ofc< distributing information on earth. This program combines theA distribution power of e-mail together with the revenue generating! power of multi-level marketing.iE 4. Your only expense--other than your initial $20 investment--is youra time! E 5. Virtually all of the income you generate from this program is PUREA PROFIT! . 6. This program will change your LIFE FOREVER. =20fE ACT NOW!Take your first step toward achieving financial independence.tC Orderthe reports and follow the program outlined above--SUCCESSwillo be yourreward. =20d;                  Thank you for your time and consideration.i =20tE PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with starting a business, registering asE business name, learning how income tax is handled, etc., contact youroC localoffice of the Small Business Administration (a Federal Agency)G@ 1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to questions. Also, the? InternalRevenue Service offers free help via telephone and free A seminars aboutbusiness tax requirements. Your earnings are highlyn< dependant on youractivities and advertising. The informationB contained on this site and in the report constitutes no guaranteesE stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined that this site D or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is nowD void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report areA estimates only. If you have any questions of the legality of thisL? program, contact the Office of Associate Director for MarketingaE Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer Protection inn Washington, DC.g =20tA /////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////e Remove at qmkx@netscape.netm@ ////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////  + ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C03509.7DFAF370r Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"n+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printabley  0 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD>  0 <META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 = http-equiv=3DContent-Type>8 <META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.72.2106.6"' name=3DGENERATOR> </HEAD>W <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>J <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=J bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=0 sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 THE=20J PROGRAM<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 , $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>S <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20aJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=/ p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20o3 INCREDIBLE $0 to $50,000 in 90 days!!!</FONT></DIV>d7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>p= <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Dear Friend,</FONT></DIV>o7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>eJ <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>You can earn $50,000 or more in next = the 90 days=20E sending e-mail. Seem<BR>impossible? Read on for details.</FONT></DIV> 7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>d <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20mJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20/ &quot;AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TV&quot;</FONT></DIV> 7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> A <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thank you for your time and =w interest. This is=20J the letter you've been<BR>reading about in the news lately.&nbsp; Due to = the=20D popularity of this<BR>letter on the Internet, a major nightly news =
 program=20H recently devoted<BR>an entire show to the investigation of the program = described=20@ below to<BR>see if it really can make people money.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The show also investigated whether =
 or not the=20eI program was legal.<BR>Their findings proved once and for all that there =  are=20J absolutely no<BR>laws prohibiting the participation in the program. This = has=20J helped<BR>to show people that this is a simple, harmless and fun way to=20. make<BR>some extra money at home.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The results of this show have been = truly=20I remarkable. So many people<BR>are participating that those involved are =a doing=20J much better than ever<BR>before.&nbsp; Since everyone makes more as more =	 people=20wI try it out, its<BR>been very exciting to be a part of lately. You will=20u2 understand once you<BR>experience it.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>a <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 J size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=( ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 HERE IT IS BELOW:</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>T <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20eJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=# p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20p8 *** Print This Now For Future Reference ***</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> I <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The following income opportunity is =a one you may=20J be interested in<BR>taking a look at. It can be started with VERY LITTLE =  A investment and<BR>the income return is TREMENDOUS!!!</FONT></DIV>-7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20uJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20tJ $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=/ p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 B If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 days=20I !<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =O	 Please=20s+ read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT=20iJ AGAIN!!!<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&= nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20< $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY =	 MAKING=20tJ OPPORTUNITY.It does<BR>not require you to come into contact with people, =	 do any=20 I hard work,<BR>and best of all, you never have to leave the house except =H	 to get=20PJ the<BR>mail. If you believe that someday you'll get that big break that=20B you<BR>'vebeen waiting for, THIS IS IT!&nbsp; Simply follow the=20J instructions,<BR>andyour dreams will come true. This multi-level e-mail=208 order<BR>marketingprogram works perfectly...100% EVERY = TIME.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>eE <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>E-mail is the sales tool of the =a future. Take=20uJ advantage of this<BR>non-commercialized method of advertising NOW!!! The =	 longer=20vC you<BR>wait, the more people will be doing business using e-mail. =p Get<BR>your=20$ piece of this action!!!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> E <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has =o finally gained=20fG respectability.<BR>It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, =2 and both=20 C Stanford<BR>Research and the Wall Street Journal have stated that =r
 between=20@ 50%<BR>and 65% of all goods and services will be sold through=20C multi-level<BR>methods by the mid to late 1990's.&nbsp; This is a =O Multi-Billion=20F Dollar<BR>industry and of the 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20%=20J (100,000)<BR>made their fortune in the last several years in MLM.&nbsp;=20F Moreover,<BR>statistics show 45 people become millionaires everyday=20. through<BR>Multi-Level Marketing.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> C <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>You may have heard this story =  before, but over=20yF the summer Donald<BR>Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman =
 show. Dave=20tF asked<BR>him what he would do if he lost everything and had to start = over=20eG from<BR>scratch. Without hesitating, Trump said he would find a good=20 G network<BR>marketing company and get to work. The audience started to =n hoot=20eD and<BR>boo him. He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his=20C response:<BR>&quot;That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all =s sitting out=20 there!&quot;</FONT></DIV>r7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>dA <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The enclosed information is =t something I almost=20sG let slip through my<BR>fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I re-read =n
 everything=20tG and gave<BR>somethought and study to it. My name is Johnathon Rourke. =  Two=20E years<BR>ago, the corporation I worked at for the past twelve years =d
 down-sized=20wJ and my<BR>position was eliminated. After unproductive job interviews, I=20E decided<BR>to open my own business. Over the past year, I incurred=20lI many<BR>unforeseen financial problems.&nbsp; I owed my family, friends=20sG and<BR>creditors over $35,000.<BR>The economy was taking a toll on my =R business=20 G and I just couldn't seem<BR>to make ends meet. I had to refinance and =a	 borrow=20uJ against my home to<BR>support my family and struggling business. AT THAT =	 MOMENT=20 I something<BR>significant happened in my life and I am writing to share=20$= the<BR>experience in hopes that this will change your life=20m& FOREVER<BR>FINANCIALLY!!!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> F <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>In mid December, I received this = program via=20C e-mail. Six month's<BR>prior to receiving this program I had been =o sending away=20oB for<BR>information on various business opportunities. All of the = programs=20eB I<BR>received, in my opinion, were not cost effective. They were = either<BR>too=20B difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment was too = much<BR>for me=20h> to risk to see if they would work or not. One claimed that I = would<BR>make a=20D million dollars in one year...it didn't tell me I'd have to write=20( a<BR>&nbsp;book to make it!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>But like I was saying, in December = of 1997 I=20J received this program. I<BR>didn't send for it, or ask for it, they just =	 got my=200H name off a<BR>mailing list.THANK GOODNESS FOR THAT!!! After reading it =
 several=20J times, to make<BR>sure I was reading it correctly, I couldn't believe my = eyes.=20D Here was a MONEY<BR>MAKING PHENOMENON. I could invest as much as I = wanted to=20J start,<BR>without putting me further into debt. After I got a pencil and =  F paper<BR>and figured it out, I would at least get my money back. But = like=201J most<BR>of you I was still a little skeptical and a little worried about =  I the<BR>legal aspects of it all. So I checked it out with the U.S. Post=20nG Office<BR>&nbsp;(1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is =i	 indeed=20!I legal! After<BR>&nbsp;determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A CHAIN =e
 LETTER,=204 I decided<BR>&nbsp;&quot;WHY NOT.&quot;</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>AJ <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. =
 It cost me=20aJ about $15 for my time<BR>on-line. The great thing about e-mail is that I = don't=20I need any money<BR>for printing to send out the program, and because all =i of my=20G orders<BR>are fulfilled via e-mail, my only expense is my time. I am=20 J telling<BR>you like it is I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised =	 myself=20 J that I would not<BR>&quot;rip-off&quot; anyone, no matter how much money =
 it made=20 me.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>.B <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>In less than one week, I was = starting to receive=20E orders for REPORT #1<BR>By January 13, I had received 26 orders for =e
 REPORT #1.=20eJ Your goal is to<BR>&quot;RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN = 2=20H WEEKS. IF<BR>YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!&quot; My=20G first<BR>step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done.&nbsp; By January =y 30, I had=20H received<BR>196 orders for REPORT #2. Your goal is to &quot;RECEIVE AT = LEAST=20E 100+ ORDERS<BR>FOR REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE=20oJ PROGRAMS<BR>UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU HAVE 100 ORDERS,<BR>THE REST IS EASY, =	 RELAX,=20 F YOU WILL MAKE YOUR $50,000 GOAL.&quot; Well, I<BR>had 196 orders for =
 REPORT #2,=20sH 96 more than I needed. So I sat back<BR>and relaxed. By March 1, of my = e-mailing=20C of 10,000, I received $58,000 with<BR>&nbsp;more coming in every=20y day.</FONT></DIV>*7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>EJ <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>I paid off ALL my debts and bought a = much needed=20D new car. Please take<BR>time to read the attached program, IT WILL = CHANGE YOUR=20G LIFE FOREVER!!<BR>! Remember, it won't work if you don't try it. This = 
 program=20H does work<BR>, but you must follow it EXACTLY! Especially the rules of = not=20G trying<BR>to place your name in a different place. It won't work and=20TG you'll<BR>lose out on a lot of money!<BR>In order for this program to =o work, you=20I must meet your goal of 20+<BR>orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for =r	 REPORT=20 G #2 and you will make $50,000<BR>&nbsp;or more in 90 days. I AM LIVING =O
 PROOF THAT=20. IT WORKS!!!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> I <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>If you choose not to participate in =l this=20CF program, I am sorry. It<BR>really is a great opportunity with little =
 cost or=20J risk to you. If you<BR>choose to participate, follow the program and you =
 will be=20J on your way<BR>to financial security. If you are a fellow business owner =
 and are=20C in<BR>financial trouble like I was, or you want to start your own =O business,=20, consider<BR>this a sign. I DID!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20MJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=: ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20J Sincerely,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=J ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=- &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20t Johnathon Rourke</FONT></DIV>*7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>h <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20rJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= p; A=20t? PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:</FONT></DIV>c7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>eC <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>By the time you have read the =a enclosed program=20eH and reports, you<BR>should have concluded that such a program, and one =
 that is=20A legal,<BR>could not have been created by an amateur.</FONT></DIV>i7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>ED <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Let me tell you a little about = myself. I had a=20E profitable business<BR>for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business began =r falling off.=20oH I was doing<BR>the same things that were previously successful for me, =	 but it=20 I wasn't<BR>working. Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the=20mJ economy.<BR>Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that = had=20G been<BR>with us since 1945.I don't have to tell you what happened to=20aB the<BR>unemployment rate... because many of you know from first=20J hand<BR>experience. There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever=20 before.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>EE <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>The middle class was vanishing. =t Those who knew=20pJ what they were doing<BR>invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, =  J including those who<BR>never had anything to save or invest, were moving = down=20iG into the ranks<BR>of the poor. As the saying goes, &quot;THE RICH GET =e
 RICHER AND=20aG THE POOR<BR>GET POORER.&quot; The traditional methods of making money =s
 will never=20 H allow<BR>you to &quot;move up&quot; or &quot;get rich&quot;, inflation = will see=20w to that.</FONT></DIV> 7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>uH <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>You have just received information = that can give=20C you financial<BR>freedom for the rest of your life, with &quot;NO =  RISK&quot; and=20rH &quot;JUST A LITTLE<BR>BIT OF EFFORT.&quot; You can make more money in = the next=20fJ few months than you<BR>&nbsp;have ever imagined. I should also point out =	 that I=20eI will not see a penny of this<BR>money, nor anyone else who has provided =  a=20E testimonial for this<BR>program. I have already made over 4 MILLION =a DOLLARS!I=20H have retired<BR>from the program after sending thousands and thousands = of=20t programs.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>eC <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Follow the program EXACTLY AS =u INSTRUCTED. Do not=20aC change it in any way<BR>. It works exceedingly well as it is now. =d Remember to=20H e-mail a copy<BR>of this exciting report to everyone you can think of. =	 One of=20aI the<BR>people you send this to may send out 50,000...and your name will =e be on=20! everyone of<BR>them!</FONT></DIV>n7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>/H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Remember though, the more you send = out the more=20/3 potential customers<BR>you will reach.</FONT></DIV>t7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>;H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>So my friend, I have given you the =	 ideas,=20TA information, materials and<BR>opportunity to become financially =n independent. IT=20 IS UP TO YOU NOW!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>= <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20gJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=( ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20' &quot;THINK ABOUT IT&quot;</FONT></DIV><7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>&I <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Before you delete this program from =$ your=20$G mailbox, as I almost did,<BR>take a little time to read it and REALLY =c THINK=20E ABOUT IT. Get a pencil<BR>and figure out what could happen when YOU =p participate.=20nA Figure out the<BR>worst possible response and no matter how you =0 calculate it,=20J you will<BR>still make a lot of money! You will definitely get back what =  J you<BR>invested. Any doubts you have will vanish when your first orders=20" come<BR>in. IT WORKS!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>0 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20yJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
 ;&nbsp;=20& Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>sI <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; HERE'S HOW =  THIS AMAZING=20N: PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU THOUSANDS OF<BR>DOLLAR$</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>s <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 J size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=. ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 INSTRUCTIONS:</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>eD <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>This method of raising capital = REALLY WORKS 100%=20J EVERY TIME.<BR>I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 or more in the = next=20tC 90<BR>days. Before you say &quot;BULL... &quot;, please read this =s
 program=20 carefully.</FONT></DIV> 7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>tG <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>This is not a chain letter, but a =  perfectly=20G legal money making<BR>opportunity. Basically, this is what you do: As =D with all=20rD multi-level<BR>businesses, we build our business by recruiting new = partners=20eC and<BR>selling our products. Every state in the USA allows you to =B recruit<BR>new=20 D multi-level business partners,<BR>and we offer a product for EVERY = dollar sent.=20yF YOUR ORDERS COME BY<BR>MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, so you are not = involved in=20E personal<BR>selling. You do it privately in your own home, store or =/
 office.=20: This<BR>is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing = anywhere.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>& <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20;J size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20& This is what you MUST do:</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>bI <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>1. Order all 4 reports shown on the = 
 list below=20FI (you can't sell them<BR>if youdon't order them).<BR>-- For each report, =/ send=20pF $5.00 CASH, the NAME &amp; NUMBER OF THE REPORT<BR>YOU ARE ORDERING, = YOUR E-MAIL=20J ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME &amp; RETURN<BR>ADDRESS (in case of a problem) to = the=20I person whose name appears on<BR>the list next to the report.&nbsp; MAKE =  SURE=20T@ YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON<BR>YOUR ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL = PROBLEMS!<BR>--=20< When you place your order, make sure you order each of the = four<BR>reports. You=20sJ will need all four reports so that you can save them on<BR>your computer = and=20I resell them.<BR>-- Within a few days you will receive, via e-mail, each = 	 of the=200H four<BR>reports. Save them on your computer so they will be accessible =
 for you=20> to send<BR>to the 1,000's of people who will order them from = you.</FONT></DIV>!7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>sI <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>2. IMPORTANT DO NOT alter the names =$	 of the=20<H people who are listed next<BR>to each report, or their sequence on the = list, in=20rJ any way other than<BR>is instructed below in steps &quot;a&quot; through =  H &quot;f&quot; or you will lose out on<BR>the majority of your profits. = Once you=20rJ understand the way this works,<BR>you'll also see how it doesn't work if = you=20J change it. Remember, this<BR>method has been tested,and if you alter it, =
 it will=20H not work.<BR>a. Look below for the listing of available reports.<BR>b. = After=20; you've ordered the four reports, take this advertisement=20gI and<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; remove the name and address under =r	 REPORT=20sB #4. This person has<BR>made it through the cycle and is no doubt = counting their=20oJ $50,000!<BR>c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down to REPORT=20D #4.<BR>d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down to REPORT = #3.<BR>e.=20J Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down to REPORT #2.<BR>f.&nbsp; =	 Insert=20V9 your name/address in the REPORT #1 position.</FONT></DIV><7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> J <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please make = sure you=20 " COPY ALL INFORMATION, every name =. and<BR>address,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 ACCURATELY!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>gA <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>3. Take this entire letter, =i including the=20J modified list of names, and<BR>save it to your computer. Make NO changes =	 to the=2003 instruction portion<BR>of this letter.</FONT></DIV>M7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>m? <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; Your cost to =N participate in this is=203C practically nothing (surely<BR>you can afford $20). You obviously =z already have=20e: an Internet<BR>connection and e-mail is FREE!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>h <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 G size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; There =c
 are two=207 primary methods of building your downline:</FONT></DIV>r7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>t <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20hJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=G p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20!+ METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL</FONT></DIV>07 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>0H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Let's say that you decide to start = small, just=20I to see how it goes,<BR>and we'll assume you and all those involved send =e out only=20hH 2,000<BR>programs each. Let's also assume that the mailing receives a=20I 0.5%<BR>response. Using a good list the response could be much better.=20nI Also,<BR>many people will send out hundreds of<BR>thousands of programs =e
 instead=20H of 2,000. But continuing with this<BR>example, you send out only 2,000 = programs.=20I With a 0.5% response, that<BR>is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 =.	 people=20nJ respond by sending<BR>out 2,000 programs each for a total of 20,000. Out = of=20nG those 0.5%, 100<BR>people respond and order REPORT #2. Those 100 mail =p out 2,000=20J programs<BR>each for a total of 200,000.<BR>The 0.5% response to that is = 1,000=20J orders for REPORT #3. Those 1,000<BR>send out 2,000 programs each for a=20D 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response<BR>to that is 10,000 orders for =
 REPORT #4.=20#F That's 10,000 $5 bills for<BR>you. CASH!!! Your total income in this =
 example is=20eH $50 + $500 + $5,000<BR>+ $50,000 for a total of<BR>$55,550!!! REMEMBER =
 FRIEND,=20G THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE 2,000<BR>PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO =i
 ABSOLUTELY=20iJ NOTHING AND TRASH THIS<BR>PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD =	 HAPPEN=20T> IF<BR>EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF = 2,000.<BR>Believe=20D me, many people will do justthat, and more! By the way, your cost=20G to<BR>participate in this is practically nothing.&nbsp; You obviously =.
 already=20J have an Internet<BR>connection and e-mail is FREE!!! REPORT #2 will show =
 you the=20F best<BR>methods for bulk e-mailing, tell you where<BR>to obtain free = bulk e-mail=207 software and where to obtain e-mail lists.</FONT></DIV>r7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>= <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20lJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 9 METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET</FONT></DIV>N7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>aJ <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Advertising on the internet is very, = very=20=E inexpensive, and there are<BR>HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. =t Let's say=20I you decide to start<BR>small just to see how well it works. Assume your = 
 goal is=20I to get ONLY<BR>10 people to participate on your first level. (Placing a =>	 lot of=200F FREE<BR>ads on the Internet will EASILY get a larger response.) Also =	 assume=20sI that<BR>&nbsp;everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION gets ONLY 10 downline=20eJ members.<BR>&nbsp;Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results=20 below:</FONT></DIV>D7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>tF <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>1st level--your 10 members with=20G $5.......................................$50<BR>2nd level--10 members =o
 from those=20eI 10 ($5 x 100)..................$500<BR>3rd level--10 members from those =i
 100 ($5=20I x 1,000)...........$5,000<BR>4th level--10 members from those 1,000 ($5 =s x=20J 10,000).....$50,000<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n== bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20>. THIS TOTALS ----------&gt;$55,550</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>lI <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Remember friends, this assumes that =>
 the people=20II who participate only<BR>recruit 10 people each. Think for a moment what =C would=20J happen if they<BR>got 20 people to participate! Most people get 100's of =  G participants!<BR>THINK ABOUT IT! For every $5.00 you receive, all you =n
 must do is=20nI e-mail them<BR>&nbsp;the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE =  SAME-DAY=20tJ SERVICE<BR>&nbsp;ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee that the e-mail THEY = send=20SE out with YOUR<BR>name and address on it will be prompt because they =R can't=208 advertise<BR>until they receive the report!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>m <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20kJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=( ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20 AVAILABLE REPORTS</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>e <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20>J size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs= p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20f+ *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME=20wJ ***<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=J &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20J Notes:<BR>-- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT. CHECKS =  H NOT<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ACCEPTED.<BR>-- ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER = VIA FIRST=20H CLASS MAIL.<BR>-- Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at = least=20; two<BR>sheets of paper. On one of those sheets of paper,=20DG include:<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (a) the number &amp; name of the =I
 report you=20aJ are ordering, (b) your<BR>e-mail address, and (c) your name &amp; postal =   address.</FONT></DIV>e7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>a <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20 J size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=) p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20d4 PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW:</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>lI <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>REPORT #1 &quot;The Insider's Guide =& to=20b: Advertising for Free on the<BR>Internet&quot;</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>&C <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:<BR>Site =s Pro<BR>PO Box=20' 7986<BR>Chandler, AZ 85246</FONT></DIV>&7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>nJ <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>REPORT #2: &quot;The Insider's Guide =
 to Sending=20#G Bulk E-mail&quot;<BR>ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:<BR>A.P. Tritt<BR>P.O. Box=20e+ 6462<BR>Douglasville, GA 30154</FONT></DIV>p7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>EF <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>REPORT #3: &quot;The Secret's to = Multi-Level=20E Marketing on the Internet&quot;<BR>ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:<BR>Kristin =r Butler<BR>32=20s, McCullough Rd<BR>Cody, WY 82414</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>eF <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>REPORT #4: &quot;How to become a = Millionaire=208 utilizing the Power of Multilevel Marketing<BR>and the = Internet&quot;<BR>ORDER=208 REPORT #4 FROM:<BR>ADRP10<BR>PO Box 7794<BR>Athens, GA = 30604-7794</FONT></DIV>n7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>< <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20eJ size=3D2><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;= &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20w< About 50,000 new people get online every month!</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>9 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20tJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=J p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
 ;&nbsp;=20H ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******<BR>-- TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be =
 prompt,=20G professional, and follow<BR>the directions accurately.<BR>-- Send for =  the four=20tD reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have them when<BR>the orders start = coming in=20J because: When you receive a $5 order, you<BR>MUST send out the requested =  J product/report.<BR>-- ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU=20D RECEIVE.<BR>-- Be patient and persistent with this program. If you =	 follow=20 I the<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; instructions exactly, your results WILL =u BE=20fH SUCCESSFUL!<BR>-- ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL=20 SUCCEED!</FONT></DIV><7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20nJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=/ p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20T" ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES=20J *******<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
 bsp;&nbsp;=20i? Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success:</FONT></DIV>a7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>sH <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>If you don't receive 20 orders for = REPORT #1=20* within two weeks,<BR>continue</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>3J <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>advertising or sending e-mails until =
 you do.=20I Then, a couple of weeks<BR>later you should receive at least 100 orders =w for=20E REPORT#2. If you don<BR>'t, continue advertising or sending e-mails =s until you=20J do. Once you<BR>have received 100 or more orders for REPORT #2, YOU CAN=20H RELAX,<BR>because the system is already working for you, and the cash=20) will<BR>continue to roll in!</FONT></DIV>07 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>0 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20eJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=G p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20DI THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER:<BR>Every time your name is moved down on =a the=20F list, you are placed in<BR>front of a DIFFERENT report. You can KEEP = TRACK of=200I your PROGRESS by<BR>watching which report people are ordering from you. =T	 If you=20VD want to<BR>generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or=20H continue<BR>placing ads and start the whole process again! There is no = limit=20C to<BR>the income you will generate from this business!</FONT></DIV>p7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>TI <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Before you make your decision as to =s
 whether or=20yH not you participate in<BR>this program. Please answer one question. DO = YOU WANT=20mB TO CHANGE YOUR<BR>LIFE? If the answer is yes, please look at the = following facts=20# about<BR>this program:</FONT></DIV>n7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> H <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>1. You are selling a product which = does not Cost=20H anything to PRODUCE,<BR>SHIP OR ADVERTISE.<BR>2. All of your customers =
 pay you=20E in CASH!<BR>3. E-mail is without question the most powerful method=20zA of<BR>distributing information on earth. This program combines=202@ the<BR>distribution power of e-mail together with the revenue=20? generating<BR>power of multi-level marketing.<BR>4. Your only =n expense--other=20=H than your initial $20 investment--is your<BR>time!<BR>5. Virtually all =	 of the=20TE income you generate from this program is PURE<BR>PROFIT!<BR>6. This =n program will=20 & change your LIFE FOREVER.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>3I <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>ACT NOW!Take your first step toward =e achieving=20D financial independence.<BR>Orderthe reports and follow the program = outlined=20;1 above--SUCCESSwill<BR>be yourreward.</FONT></DIV>&7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>S <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20rJ size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=# p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20E7 Thank you for your time and consideration.</FONT></DIV>l7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>sH <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>PLEASE NOTE: If you need help with =
 starting a=20<F business, registering a<BR>business name, learning how income tax is = handled,=20#H etc., contact your<BR>localoffice of the Small Business Administration = (a=20a@ Federal Agency)<BR>1-800-827-5722 for free help and answers to = questions. Also,=20RD the<BR>InternalRevenue Service offers free help via telephone and=20E free<BR>seminars aboutbusiness tax requirements. Your earnings are=20e= highly<BR>dependant on youractivities and advertising. The=20rI information<BR>contained on this site and in the report constitutes no=20RF guarantees<BR>stated nor implied. In the event that it is determined = that this=20J site<BR>or report constitutes a guarantee of any kind, that guarantee is =  J now<BR>void. The earnings amounts listed on this site and in the report=20F are<BR>estimates only. If you have any questions of the legality of=20@ this<BR>program, contact the Office of Associate Director for=20F Marketing<BR>Practices, Federal Trade Commission, Bureau of Consumer =
 Protection=20&" in<BR>Washington, DC.</FONT></DIV>7 <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>/ <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000=20cJ size=3D2>////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////= /<BR>Remove=20 at <A=20J href=3D"mailto:qmkx@netscape.net">qmkx@netscape.net</A><BR>//////////////=J //////////////////////////////////////////////////</FONT></DIV></DIV></BO=
 DY></HTML>  - ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C03509.7DFAF370--p   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 17:51:01 +0100T From: pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr (Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40)  Subject: Re: VAX to Alpha (DS10)! Message-ID: <miI3Zdqg5CGY@gaelic>   R In article <G2DJFr.GCp@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes: [...] K >   I have a pair of DS10's in a cluster for hobbyist use and they're quite M > nice. My only comments are that the ELSA graphics card is slow (I'm waitinghL > for the announcement of the replacement cards so I can dumpster my ELSA's)  K You're an happy man, Terry !! I'm waiting for the delivery of my first homecL DS10 and I can't wait .... My son will inherit my 255, nice for playing with Dec's flight  ...   ? Have you some info regarding the replacement of the Elsa card ?o   Patrick  --O =============================================================================== O pmoreau@cena.dgac.fr  (CENA)     ______      ___   _           (Patrick MOREAU)m4 moreau_p@decus.fr (DECUS)       / /   /     / /|  /|J CENA/Athis-Mons FRANCE         / /___/     / / | / |   __   __   __   __  N BP 205                        / /         / /  |/  |  |  | |__| |__  |__| |  |N 94542 ORLY AEROGARE CEDEX    / /   ::    / /       |  |__| | \  |__  |  | |__|N http://www.ath.cena.fr/~pmoreau/            http://www.multimania.com/pmoreau/O ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:15:06 GMTt( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>  Subject: Re: VAX to Alpha (DS10)' Message-ID: <G2E5x6.67K@spcuna.spc.edu>r  V Patrick MOREAU, CENA Athis, Tel: 01.69.57.64.40 <pmoreau@cenaath.cena.dgac.fr> writes:M > You're an happy man, Terry !! I'm waiting for the delivery of my first homeRN > DS10 and I can't wait .... My son will inherit my 255, nice for playing with > Dec's flight  ...l  E   They're really cute boxes. Too bad they're priced where they are...   A > Have you some info regarding the replacement of the Elsa card ?&  9   Just what Fred's posted here in the past - for example:#6 http://www.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=650597829 which says:  B   "The 3DLabs Oxygen VX1 (16mb) will replace that card in October. It is Permedia-3 based."  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAM   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:49:40 +0100r+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> ( Subject: Re: VaxStation 3100 Floppy Disk' Message-ID: <39E79184.5D5D0736@iee.org>    Bill Gunshannon wrote:H > Sure enough, I found it,  Which makes one wonder why they would make aH > case that didn't allow access to it.  This weekend I'll have to set up  B When the VAXstation 3100 series started out these boxes were still= relatively expensive and you (the customer) were not supposedw to do anything to them.V  @ As a customer, we would not have expected to move out VAX-11/750< (big, heavy box) from one side of the room to the other, let= alone down a flight of stairs to another floor. DEC would not;< have expected us to do this - all those boards and cables to knock loose!  G The problem was that the same mentality was applied to the much smaller<> PC-like boxes like the MicroVAX 2000 and the VAXstation 3100s.A We were quite seriously exepcted to pay field service to come in, @ shutdown a bunch of VAXstation 2000s and move them from one side; of the room to the other! Of course, since they had no notep= of which side of the room they were on (nor indeed which room  they were in) ...e  A So I guess that when they were originally built the mentality wasfA not to tempt the customer to do potentially damaging things like 0= poke at a dip switch. After a while someone must have twiggedr? that this was terribly, terribly silly and newer cases appearedu@ with a hole to make the switch accessible. All later VAXstationsA and MicroVAXes had the "alternate-console" switch made available.    Antonio0   ---------------f- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgt   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 21:38:25 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)T Subject: Re: VMS ISP?t! Message-ID: <lk68l7qxzZVB@ludens>#  Q In article <8s78s9$n9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Bill Hobbs <hobbsb@my-deja.com> writes:l@ > Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local)   Hi,E   from netcraft:  < There are 3741 web servers known powered by OSU http server,3 1137 servers with Purveyor and WASD with 120 sites.B< (Only 20% of Purveyor sites runing with VMS but 100% of OSU . and 100% of wasd-powered sites are VMS sites.)  * This means 0.02 percent of all web sites.   0 I think this is true for your ISP question too.      Adam Maulis>   ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 21:17:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patcht6 Message-ID: <8s7u51$4p9$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  k In article <8s53ej$hg7$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:0 :zJ :In article <8s4nkk$klu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes: :pL ::Just had a vmsinstal failure while applying a patch for UCX 4.2 on VMS 7.2 :;L :  I'll check on this.  (The information I have seen indicates that OpenVMS I :  Alpha V7.2 requires TCP/IP Services V5.0 or later, but I will check onz3 :  the support status of V4.2 on OpenVMS VAX V7.2.)=  M   TCP/IP Services V4.2 is NOT supported on OpenVMS V7.2 and later, on OpenVMSa   VAX or on OpenVMS Alpha.  N   TCP/IP Services V5.0 and later (V5.0A with ECO1 is current) are recommended K   on OpenVMS V7.1 and later, and are required on OpenVMS V7.2 and later, onB#   OpenVMS VAX and on OpenVMS Alpha.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 01:04:01 +010004 From: Online Resources <onlineresources@themail.com>3 Subject: Wake up to $237 every morning.  Guaranteed = Message-ID: <E13kEme-00016T-00@mailhost.netscapeonline.co.uk>e   Hi!o  4 I don't know about you but, about a year ago, I was: =20l (a) a newbie to the Internet0 (b) convinced that I should be jumping on the=20     Internet bandwagon, (c) ignorant about where I should start, and  (d) desperate to earn some funds  3 Every day I surfed the net and joined newbie and=20s4 business newsgroups hoping to find something that=208 would let me earn money while I learnt to develop and=20 promote an Internet business.c  4 Frankly, I didn't know where to start.  I scanned=208 endless sites and promotional emails that promised me=207 "immediate" and mega-sized internet earnings.  And I=20n6 purchased a three or four Internet marketing programs/. systems costing between $79 and $199 each. =20  1 Boy, was I disillusioned when I studied them! =202  : What I received was page after page of "Internet Gurus"=207 patting each other on the back; trying to sell other=20R9 products which should have been part of the product in=20 : the first place;  their cronies' products; pages filled=209 with irrelevant padding, or large areas of blank white=20e6 space bigger than USS Nimitz's flight deck, so that=207 their "manual" weighed at least 5 lbs (once you have=20e6 spent an hour downloading it and printing it out)! =208 They didn't help me one bit and I spent money I could=20 ill afford to spend.    Been there?  I am sure you have!  4 But I wasn't prepared to give up.  I knew if just=203 could get my foot in the door, I'd start earning=20D2 enough to develop my own business on the Internet.  5 When you know very little about a subject its much=20n9 more difficult to make a judgement about what might be=20 7 a good product or system and what might be a load of=20&7 garbage. Maybe something someone hashed together the=20n4 night before in order to make a quick buck online=207 conning the likes of us.  Frankly, there are so many=20b7 get-rich-quick scams around on the Internet that you=20F become very, very wary.   3 So when I saw this short ad offering an Internet=20S5 earn-as-you-learn system, I was pretty sceptical. =20e6 At first, I wasn't prepared to pour more bucks down=208 the drain.  But something about the sales letter that=20* followed the ad caught my imagination. =20  : And besides, they were only asking US$20-00.  I thought=207 to myself:  If I only pick up one useful tip, $20 is=20p not much to pay!  7 So I purchased it.  I received an email with the URL=20O5 within minutes. I decided to read the manual later=203 when I had more time. =20&  7 And if you've read my website, you already know what=20s8 happened. I lost the email somewhere in my system and=20! "what's outa sight is outa mind".l  8 I forgot all about it.  I returned to my never-ending=209 quest of trying to find my Internet El Dorado.  I went=20 9 back to all the time-wasting surfing and searching for=20>7 a product which, if only I had realized at the time,=20<8 I had in the 'box' in front of my nose.  I still kick=20: myself for being such an idiot (first time) but I never=20 learn from my mistakes.<  8 A few months later I accidentally (!) found the email=206 and, this time, I saved it somewhere I knew I would=20 always find it again.2  3 But I had seen so many other useless systems and=20T7 programs in the meantime that preconception-itis had=20T; set in.  My stupid brain told me that what I had bought,=20D5 lost and re-found would be just like all the other=20u) useless products.  How wrong can you get!t  7 The key to this great little money-generating system=20i8 sat unread for another 3 months in my computer (idiot=20
 - 2nd time!).V  8 Finally common-sense prevailed.  I thought to myself:=20; "You've paid for this system.  At least give it a try". =20a
 So I did. =20=  ! And I've never looked back since!     % Don't do what I did.  Don't miss out!R  6 If I had known THEN what I know NOW I wouldn't have=209 wasted months and bucks on other programs and offers. =2009 I would have been earning the kind of bucks I do now. =2024 Like $7,000 - $8,000 per month.  That's only $237=207 average a day but it sure adds up quickly!  Don't be=20b an idiot like I was! =20  " And don't have any preconceptions!  3 "Cut the history lesson, Christopher.  WHAT IS IT?"D  3 The system's called Cookie Cutter << whoa there!=20p7 No preconceptions, remember >> and it comes together=20;7 with a product called Boot Camp.  Cookie Cutter lets=20s5 you earn money almost immediately  while Boot Camp=20B7 teaches you how to develop your own products and how=20s  to market these on the Internet.  6 Figuratively speaking, it consists of  three elements:  6 * An attention-grabbing ad (a selection supplied or=20   you can write your own)e6 * An order-inciting series of sales letters (again,=20%   supplied or you can write your own)P% * A training program called Boot CampO  ) The great thing about the system is that:t- 1.  it lets you earn money almost immediatelyR: 2.  it gives you all the tools and tips to develop your=20     CC business.1 3.  it teaches you how to develop other products. 6 4.  it points you in the right direction and points=20     others to buy from you.O  6 In addition to what you receive from Cookie Cutter,=207 I'm offering, for a limited period only, three great=20b3 bonuses for FREE if you purchase Cookie Cutter now.;  9 You get my own personal FAST START EARNER - giving you=20b: Tips on how to start earning money immediately.  You'll=207 soon achieve my average of $237 every day  ... or more!c  6 You also get an E-Publication on Unique Ways to Get=20 Free Online Advertising.  9 And you can download a free software program: Creating=20f Profitable Classified Ads.   ALL THIS FOR ONLY $20-00!/  3 Don't do what I did originally and lose all that=20< immediate income! =20r   Don't miss out!>  
 ORDER NOW at:n  ' http://netcashbuilder.com/cc_order.htm/o  9 Or if you want to have another look at my web site go to:    http://www.netcashbuilder.comB  1 Notice: If you wish to be REMOVED from this list,i3 please log-in to onlineresources@themail.com and=20r type REMOVE in Subject line.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 16:02:44 -0400 ' From: Dan Allen <daniel.allen@nist.gov>0H Subject: RE: Was: PC164LX compatibilty - Now:  who FABed the damn system@ Message-ID: <NEBBIALHDHJMJINPGMOAAEHOCLAA.daniel.allen@nist.gov>   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net;. > [mailto:yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net]( > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 7:51 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comr$ > Subject: Re: PC164LX compatibility >  > 9 > In <wHcF5.2107$ln6.230576@news.flash.net>, on 10/12/00 iJ >    at 06:17 AM, gareth_b@pacbell.net.VMS (Gareth Boulton (on VMS)) said: > J > I bought a straight PC164 on Ebay.  I have it running VMS.  When you buyI > the 164 you also have to buy an NCR SCSI controller for it and the Elsaw  (   not exactly - other cards work as well  K > Gloria Synergy video card.  The piece of (&*)*(&)*( Can't-Adapt-Crap 24903L > is unsupported by the SRM counsole.  Oddly enough so was the diamond videoK > card in mine, but that may have been due more to needing the hardware ECOT > installed than anything. > E > The Hobbiest VMS license will run on it, but doubt if you can get at > commercial VMS license.   9   $SET IRE/LEVEL=MAXIMUM/INTEREST=GLOBAL/EXCEPTIONS=NLA0:V  E   As best I have been able to determine, the ONLY requirement neeededsX   to buy a "commercial" license for VMS from COMPAQ is $$$$ AND a statement of the termsQ   (i.e. license units needed).  I have one, I bought it thru an Authorized COMPAQfS   reseller who took my MTxxxxx number and ordered it, and if anybody quibbles about \   who made the piece of iron it's loaded on we are going to have a fight!  If the iron won'tT   load it, that's one thing, if the iron/software works like a POS that's on me, butW   at no time was I ever asked for anything related to what the "iron" was.  This is theOY   way it "should work" IMNSHO.  If COMPAQ is going to be so insular (AND I DO NOT BELIEVElZ   THIS TO BE THE CURRENT SITUATION) as to say that only their "iron" is licensable despite[   the fact they have ostensibly licensed production of third party versions of their "iron"l[   (admittedly to run that other "vms wannabe") then things are getting truly ugly. Even theTV   Borg does not try to tie their OS license to a particular producer or favored set ofZ   producers of Intel iron.  Sun don't care, IBM don't care, SGI don't care, HP don't care,[   why should COMPAQ? If the only way they can support COMPAQ's BLOATED hardware price is to0\   hold the software hostage I'm going to bail from any association with the software despite^   TWO DECADES of FIERCE VMS loyalty!!!!!!! And if the situation is the reverse , i.e I have to`   pay the bloated hardware price to subsidize VMS, then I'm just as disenchanted.  I have always^   felt that the premium I paid for a VMS license was for the added-value of the software, well[   worth the premium, and not joined to any additional "hidden" subsidy built into a bloatedi.   hardware price required to run the software.  \   IF I AM MISTAKEN I WILL CEASE TO BE A CUSTOMER - yea like that really scares anybody but I
   mean it!     $SET IRE/VENTED  >  > Roland > G > >I've been seeing a few system vendors offering machines based on the0H > >PC164LX motherboard claiming to run OpenVMS. However, the OpenVMS FAQ > >(section ALPHA8) states:gK > >"OpenVMS Alpha is not supported on the AlphaPC 164LX and 164SX, and  the L > >OpenVMS CPU-specific routines and images necessary to bootstrap  on these# > >systems do not presently exist."k > J > >Now I'm confused. I really want to go and spend my hard-earned money onI > >one of these systems, but no longer know who's right. Is the FAQ still>K > >correct, or has there been updates to the SRM that now allow the PC164LX/H > >to boot/run OpenVMS? Or are these computer vendors offering something) > >that can't/won't actually run OpenVMS?n > E > >Or have I got completely the wrong end of the stick and confused a/I > >PC164LX motherboard with an actual AlphaPC 164LX system? (Assuming one_
 > >exists...)7 > 
 > >Thanks!	 > >Gareth- >  > --  = > -----------------------------------------------------------dF > yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"8 >                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a: >                             For a Microsoft free univers= > -----------------------------------------------------------a >  >  >    ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 18:31:34 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)$ Subject: WebLogic application server+ Message-ID: <EuN9i8op8xn7@eisner.decus.org>'  = When at CETS I picked up one of the Compaq OpenVMS e-BusinesstC Infrastructure CDs.  Someone at one of the many sessions I attendedo@ for Java, Apache, COM, etc, stated that the WebLogic applicationE server was on this CD.  They made some mention that they'd put in the=F necessary bits to make it happy in VMSland, so make sure to install it from the CD.  & Problem is, I can't find it on the CD.  > Did I hear incorrecty, get the wrong CD, or am I just bonkers?   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:41:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> " Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!, Message-ID: <39E7573B.880A778B@videotron.ca>   Dave Gudewicz wrote: > I > I for one would like to have Encompass exist.  And if we don't vote foro4 > incorporation, it will cease to exist.  What then?  I Sound to me like those stories we hear about the US government blocking aaN whole series of "good" bills because of one bad bill in the lot, and some sortF of requirement that all these bills/laws be voted on as a one package.  G Could DECUS not provide its members with multiple decisions and vote ong8 individual issues instead of voting on a whole package ?  M By having multiple questions, the answers would provide the board with a muchh- better guidance on what the membership wants.g  B For instance, if the membership had no problem with the concept ofN incorporation, but had serious problems with renaming DECUS to Encompass, thenM the board could still proceed with incorporation but keep the DECUS name. Etcj etc etc.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 14:29:51 -0500a1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> " Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!8 Message-ID: <8s7nk8$k2k$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39E7573B.880A778B@videotron.ca... > Dave Gudewicz wrote: > >eK > > I for one would like to have Encompass exist.  And if we don't vote for76 > > incorporation, it will cease to exist.  What then? >uK > Sound to me like those stories we hear about the US government blocking awK > whole series of "good" bills because of one bad bill in the lot, and somes sortH > of requirement that all these bills/laws be voted on as a one package.  K DECUS/Encompass is run (now) by a bunch of volunteers.  Comparing it to theo5 US government is interesting and I do see your point.)  I > Could DECUS not provide its members with multiple decisions and vote ono: > individual issues instead of voting on a whole package ?  > Sure they could and with 20/20 hindsight, they probably would.  J > By having multiple questions, the answers would provide the board with a much/ > better guidance on what the membership wants.t   Agreed.   D > For instance, if the membership had no problem with the concept ofK > incorporation, but had serious problems with renaming DECUS to Encompass,n thenK > the board could still proceed with incorporation but keep the DECUS name.  Etcy
 > etc etc.   Agreed.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 15:37:49 -0500t/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>e0 Subject: Re: Which symbiont handles which queue?O Message-ID: <ED7BFD8E1D3B1C90.19E0F99D6E1FD398.B6DB5BB7AE72DB92@lp.airnews.net>u   Dave Greenwood wrote:  > I > I have a bunch of LPR print queues which use a 3rd party product.  EachsE > print queue has its own symbiont, but I'm not sure how to determineaH > which symbiont goes with which queue.  SHOW PROC/CHAN with SDA doesn'tI > show any thing obviously useful (at least with the queue idle).  And, ITJ > don't see anything with GETQUI or GETJPI which looks appropriate (thoughH > I may have missed the obvious).  So how do I figure out which symbiont > services which queue?s > F > This is mostly of academic interest I guess.  Someone here had a jobD > apparently hang and wanted to kill it.  So he did a STOP/ID on theD > symbiont he thought might be it (he got it right, fortunately).  IH > suspect STOP/QUEUE/NEXT/ABORT would have worked more safely, but I gotG > to wondering how to match a specific symbiont to a specific queue andr) > couldn't come up with a generic answer.     H If the symbiont has the device open, a SHOW DEV/FULL <device> will point you to the symbiont.  H Otherwise, there is no standard way to tell which symbiont runs a queue.  E Some symbionts provide this information through alternate means.  ForhG example, DCPS defines the logical DCPS$<queue>_PID with the process ID.f  F (This is on a VAX running DCPS 1.1A.  I haven't checked later versions+ to see if the behavior is still the same.) t  F Also keep in mind that it is possible for a single symbiont process toG support multiple queues.  Stopping the symbiont process would take downaG all of those queues.  If at all possible, using the management commandse< is a better bet.  If you can't abort the individual job, try STOP/QUEUE/RESET.u  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com ,   Fax: 817-237-3074O   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 20:38:19 GMT-3 From: Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net>-) Subject: Why can't I buy a stripped DS10?a@ Message-ID: <%oKF5.22070$Km6.1047872@news-west.usenetserver.com>  5 I want to buy a DS10, but I can't buy a stripped-down02 box.  I have memory that will work, I have an 18GB0 Ultra2 SCSI drive with supported SCSI controller1 (Intraserver) that I currently use in my PC164LX-.. based system with VMS, I have a supported SCSI- CDROM drive (also used in my PC164LX system).a0 I don't want a video card, but I have compatible. video card (Elsa Gloria Synergy).  Why can't I- buy a DS10 box without memory, CDROM, or hardd- drive?  I don't even need the $11 power cord, + I have lots of them around.  This is for myu* home, so I'll use a hobbyist license, so I# don't need to buy one with the box.  -- r Eric Dittman dittman@dittman.nett   ------------------------------    Date: 13 Oct 2000 14:18:14 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)s- Subject: Re: Why can't I buy a stripped DS10?a, Message-ID: <KIo2MG9AaPI1@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  A In article <%oKF5.22070$Km6.1047872@news-west.usenetserver.com>, c8    Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net> writes:  7 > I want to buy a DS10, but I can't buy a stripped-downs > box.    ...  
 > Why can't Ia/ > buy a DS10 box without memory, CDROM, or hardl	 > drive?    $   Two possible answers come to mind:  B   "Because only by selling you a complete system can Compaq assure> your satisfaction by guaranteeing that all the parts have been$ verified to work properly together".       OR  F     "Because Compaq makes a killing on overpriced memory, hard drives,B etc and their profit margins would be at an unacceptably low level@ if they really had to sell DS10s at the "loss leader" price they. show for the base system in their price books.  =    The answer you choose to believe depends on how much of a   cynic you are ;-)    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 23:21:25 GMTc( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>- Subject: Re: Why can't I buy a stripped DS10?t' Message-ID: <G2E67p.B3H@spcuna.spc.edu>&  5 Eric Dittman <dittman@narnia.int.dittman.net> writes:n
 > Why can't Ii/ > buy a DS10 box without memory, CDROM, or hardh/ > drive?  I don't even need the $11 power cord,e- > I have lots of them around.  This is for myy, > home, so I'll use a hobbyist license, so I% > don't need to buy one with the box.2  G   Try talking to a reseller. I bought a DS20 from a reseller, which I'dnG expected to be a packaged system, and it came in a whole bunch of partshA drop-shipped from different vendors and I had to put it together.   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------   Date: 13 Oct 2000 02:03:19 GMT From: <anonym@163.net>Y Subject: Can I  help you? explore your future, believe Me, You never worry, forever hapv+ Message-ID: <8s5qh7$2jr6$488@news.cz.js.cn>        China five thousand year culture,be born I ching,the book of change,it be turn record china physics,mathematics,relativity and more universe algebraical basic knowledge,and provide in line with standard divination method.   C    let your intuition  talking,chinese i-ching divination anything.h      About your future:2    I provided service: divination Fortune/Stock Exchange/Contract Signing/Partnership/Official/Sport Race/ Lawsuit / Weather/ Calamity   and more..... e       http://iching.126.com        Regards,
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