1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 15 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 576       Contents: Re: 500au's and onboard cache " RE: Copying Directories via DecNet/ Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... & Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line Galaxy/clustering requirements? # RE: Galaxy/clustering requirements? 4 Re: Getting status value's text message (lib$signal) Re: Halon dump - a data point ' Re: Internetzugang zu Hause von VMS aus ( MEET MORE W-OM`EN EASILY TODAY!! !  4438 Re: Type /TAIL issue Re: UCX 5.0 and SMTP relay Re: VMS ISP?  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:15:21 GMT ' From: moi_is_me <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> & Subject: Re: 500au's and onboard cache) Message-ID: <8sa7rj$ufd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   8 so anyone know where my friend could purchase 2mb/4mb of& b-cache - and how much it would cost ?   as usual ... tia   Pierre  = ============================================================= 
 In articleA <rdeininger-1410000133000001@user-2ive6gf.dialup.mindspring.com>, 5   rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote: 5 > In article <8s8eoa$n8j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, moi_is_me  <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> wrote: >  > > Greetings, > > A > >    Do all 500au's come with onboard cache (i dont think so) ?  > G > I'm pretty sure they were available with or without.  The small cache  was + > 2 MB, and I think the large one was 4 MB.  > @ > >    My friends 500au has 128mb, and SETI took 14.5 hrs, which5 > >    is slower than my 450 PII at work ... 11.5 hrs  > > 9 > >    He dual boots, and TRU64 says no B-cache detected.  > > 3 > >    Q1) If B-cache is optional, can he add any ?  > G > Yes.  There's a socket for a cache module.  I don't know if Compaq is  still 9 > selling the module.  There are probably 3rd party ones.  >  > > ; > >    Q2) What price difference might I expect between two < > >        500 au's on eBay, one with B-Cache, one without ? >  > Dunno. >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.com  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:51:50 -0400 " From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>+ Subject: RE: Copying Directories via DecNet ; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001014235052.01c6aeb0@24.8.96.48>   1 At 09:51 PM 10/12/00 +0000, Lawrence Bleau wrote: I >There's another drawback I've seen with doing a backup over Decnet: the   >savesetH >size.  The target node creates a small file for the saveset, then just 	 >keeps on N >extending it.  The number of headers for the saveset file starts to multiple.N >All of a sudden the target system is spending more time fetching headers than7 >writing data!  I actually observed this using MONITOR.    A quick:   SET RMS/EXTEND=10000  K will reduce this overhead rather dramatically. (Not a bad idea for backups   to savesets anyway...)   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:17:54 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>8 Subject: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...; Message-ID: <mr1G5.54564$tn.990957@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>   I The Encompass, Inc. Incorporating Bylaws & Amendments Ratification Ballot K package arrived on Saturday 14 October in Ashland, Taxachusetts. If you are I an Encompass, Inc. member, be on the lookout for your ballot package REAL % Soon Now. And please be sure to vote!   L FYI, the ballot package is shipped in a plain white 8 1/2 x 11-inch envelopeG with a Chicago metered postage stamp. Return address is Encompass Inc., A ATTN; Brian Rappel, 401 N. Michigan Ave., Chicago, IL 60611-4267.   K Your Encompass ID appears on the first line of the recipient address. Since G the mailing could easily be confused with commercial junk mail, examine K carefully all plain white 8 1/2 x 11-inch envelopes that grace your mailbox  over the coming days.    -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq! Director at Large, Encompass Inc.   email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:43:08 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> < Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE..., Message-ID: <39E8A93C.BE2D4CEE@videotron.ca>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > K > The Encompass, Inc. Incorporating Bylaws & Amendments Ratification Ballot C > package arrived on Saturday 14 October in Ashland, Taxachusetts.    L Technicalities here, but as of today, does DECUS-USA still officially exist,M and does Encompass Inc. already exist ?  Or will the incorporation wait until  after the ballot ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:47:39 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8sanpl$adb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>  H          <<< EISNER::DRA1:[NOTES$LIBRARY]CHAPTERCRACKERBARREL.NOTE;1 >>>5                            -< ChapterCrackerBarrel >- L ============================================================================ ====H Note 140.0                   DECUS's legal standing                   13 replies J EISNER::KILLEEN "Jeff Killeen LA2000BusinessManager" 30 lines  10-SEP-2000 23:14 L ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----I On Friday the Chapter settled an outstanding legal case and recovered the L money owed us from our previous Tradeshow manager.  This case had been goingL on for over 2 years.  What happen was they refused to release the money owedL us being held in the receipts account.  Of course they had a series of phony reasons why not to release it.  J We have had to be very quiet about the other legal case involving the loss onL Philly.  We were owed 600K and will never collect a dime.  What happened forK the first time ever to my knowledge when DECUS has had to take legal action  isK the other party challenged DECUS's legal status. The case was thrown out of D court within 6 weeks of it being filed.  The reason why was we are aH incorporated association.  As such it is very hard for the members to be suedC but also it is impossible for us to sue.  The membership itself can L collectively sue but they can sue for their personal damages i.e. if we lostG 600K but you the member couldn't demonstrate how it personally cost you  money 2 there is no legal course of action to remedy this.  J Obvious if the Tradeshow company had heard about this they could have done the L exact same thing and had the case tossed out of court and it would have costI us another 300K - hence the reason why we have been very quiet about what 	 happened.   L The bottom line is there is virtually no means that DECUS can use to protectI itself against these types of problems as a incorporated association.  We  wereH basically lucky this didn't come back and bite us for the first 37 years DECUS  existed.  J This has now been looked at by 3 teams of lawyers and they all came to theJ same conclusion.  DECUS cannot execute contracts counting on the courts to be8 there to protect the rights and assets of the Chapter...       --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================   1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message - news:8saner$u7r$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net... J As of today Encompass does in fact exist and will continue to exist unlessK the membership rejects the bylaw change, with the serious consequences that L will result related to services.  The bylaws were passed under the provisionK that puts them into effect immediately and the continuation of whether they F remain in effect is what the vote is about.  Since we need a Tax ID to) operate Encompass Inc will exist shortly.    See next posting...   L P.S. you need to vote 8 times on the ballot.  Once at the top for the bylawsJ themselves and then 7 more times for the leadership proposed amendments...       --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39E8A93C.BE2D4CEE@videotron.ca... "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > K > The Encompass, Inc. Incorporating Bylaws & Amendments Ratification Ballot B > package arrived on Saturday 14 October in Ashland, Taxachusetts.  L Technicalities here, but as of today, does DECUS-USA still officially exist,G and does Encompass Inc. already exist ?  Or will the incorporation wait  until  after the ballot ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:41:15 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...3 Message-ID: <8saner$u7r$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>   J As of today Encompass does in fact exist and will continue to exist unlessK the membership rejects the bylaw change, with the serious consequences that L will result related to services.  The bylaws were passed under the provisionK that puts them into effect immediately and the continuation of whether they F remain in effect is what the vote is about.  Since we need a Tax ID to) operate Encompass Inc will exist shortly.    See next posting...   L P.S. you need to vote 8 times on the ballot.  Once at the top for the bylawsJ themselves and then 7 more times for the leadership proposed amendments...       --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================   : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39E8A93C.BE2D4CEE@videotron.ca... "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > K > The Encompass, Inc. Incorporating Bylaws & Amendments Ratification Ballot B > package arrived on Saturday 14 October in Ashland, Taxachusetts.  L Technicalities here, but as of today, does DECUS-USA still officially exist,G and does Encompass Inc. already exist ?  Or will the incorporation wait  until  after the ballot ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 23:36:24 -0400 % From: Karl S. Erbland <karl@ksme.net> < Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...5 Message-ID: <MPG.1452f03e731343f09896c9@news.alt.net>   D In article <8saner$u7r$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, Jeff@IDM-IO.com  says... L > As of today Encompass does in fact exist and will continue to exist unlessM > the membership rejects the bylaw change, with the serious consequences that N > will result related to services.  The bylaws were passed under the provisionM > that puts them into effect immediately and the continuation of whether they H > remain in effect is what the vote is about.  Since we need a Tax ID to+ > operate Encompass Inc will exist shortly.  > 2 > Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)G > =====================================================================      Ahem! ! Can we please get things correct.   I DECUS no longer exists (the board took care of that, the members did not   approve that action).   I Enterprise Computing Association (Encompass) exists (the board took care  2 of that, the members did not approve that action).  C The first section of the Encompass Bylaws Ballot (not the PROPOSED  A AMENDMENTS near the end) was enacted by the DECUS board under an   "emergency" action.   J It is not clear if the board voted to approve the Articles of Association J which appear at the end of the ballot booklet. All they have said is they  enacted the "bylaws".   6 Enterprise Computing Association, Inc. does not exist.  C Encompass will be unincorporated until the members of the proposed    corporation vote to incorporate.  A The last section of the Encompass Bylaws Ballot, the Articles of  I Association, were never discussed by the membership. They are a distinct  3 and necessary part of the process of incorporation.   $ Please correct me if I am incorrect.   Karl   --   --   Karl Erbland KSME/Business Groups Tiffin, OH 44883  ) I want to be your Encompass board member! ) http://www.superorg.com/goodbyedecus.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 00:51:53 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8sbd3n$n8q$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  L The Board approved the whole package to my knowledge - I was not in the room at the time.  J Mr. Erbland in several places you have suggested that "the membership" didK not approve this change.  I would like to remind all that 63% of the voting L membership did approve this change.  A shift of 48 votes would have producedH 2/3's vote required in the first bylaw vote.  Additionally amendments toK address the issues raised in the original CON statement were added.  Please L stop posting notes that suggest this action was taken again the will of "theK membership".  The most you can claim Mr. Erbland is that it was contrary to ) the will of a minority of the membership.   G The bylaws may or may not be agreed to by the membership by lets have a G honest public discussion.  Misrepresenting the facts, even by errors of L omission, should not occur.  We are a technical professional society and notH a dirty tricks political debating club.  Nor should anyone be using thisK bylaw vote to do something so self-serving as to use it as a springboard to H attempt to gain election to the Board.  That is risking this User Groups? future for personal political gain. The facts are as follows...   L 1) The issues raised in the original CON statement were LONG STANDING issuesL and NOT a whole NEW set of issues triggered by changes in these bylaws.  TheJ only significant intended changes in these bylaws is to allow Encompass toJ incorporate and to switch the director terms from 2 to 3 years.  This User@ Group has recently found out, to the tune of $600,000, that as aH unincorporated association it is next to impossible to enforce our legal rights.   K 2) A bylaw committee was form to address the LONG STANDING issues raised in L the CON statement and amendment language is on the ballot for the members to	 consider.   J 3) The staff support this User Group has enjoyed is gone.  While Compaq isI more than willing to spend at least the same dollars supporting this User K Group they are no long willing to do it via staff FTE's.  As of 1/1/2001 we K will have no staff support.  CETS2000 occurred because of the extraordinary I efforts of some folks that will not be repeated.  Future current services H like CETS2001 likely will not happen with much User Group involvement ifL these bylaws are rejected.  Additionally there is a whole bunch of new stuffG like developing LUGs and SIGs again that can't happen until we have the  staff in place to support them.   J 4) Until we are a legal corporation we cannot enter into long term bindingL contracts that we are sure the courts will enforce.  Until we can enter intoF contracts we cannot obtain the staff support to run this organization.G Additionally we want this to form as a not-for-profit corporation so we  won't be liable for taxes.  G 5) Please ask anyone who suggests there are far reaching changes beyond K incorporation being introduced by these bylaws to document them.  There are ! no such changes being introduced.   J I have no debate with those who say the Board could have handled much thisK better.  I am not a member of the current Board (and never will be a member E of the Board again) but I know I would have handled this differently. L However, I see little point in causing serious damage to the ability of thisJ User Group to deliver and expand services in order to work this issue withF the Board.  One could easily aregue most of the issues result from notL having a Executive Director who should be handling these details and not theH Board anyway.  Again until we gain legal status we cannot enter into theG long term contracts required to obtain an Executive Director.  You willpI often see folks say "the Board" failed to do something.  The fact is that K for the most part in a normal association these levels of details would noteI be seen as a Board operational responsibility but the responsibility of al Executive Director.A  L This is too important an issue to demagogue in the name of attempting to run0 for the Board of Directors of this User Group...       --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================A  2 "Karl S. Erbland" <karl@ksme.net> wrote in message/ news:MPG.1452f03e731343f09896c9@news.alt.net...-C In article <8saner$u7r$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, Jeff@IDM-IO.com1 says...0L > As of today Encompass does in fact exist and will continue to exist unlessH > the membership rejects the bylaw change, with the serious consequences thatD > will result related to services.  The bylaws were passed under the	 provision?H > that puts them into effect immediately and the continuation of whether theyH > remain in effect is what the vote is about.  Since we need a Tax ID to+ > operate Encompass Inc will exist shortly.n >o2 > Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)G > =====================================================================      Ahem! ! Can we please get things correct.t  H DECUS no longer exists (the board took care of that, the members did not approve that action).h  H Enterprise Computing Association (Encompass) exists (the board took care2 of that, the members did not approve that action).  B The first section of the Encompass Bylaws Ballot (not the PROPOSED@ AMENDMENTS near the end) was enacted by the DECUS board under an "emergency" action.h  I It is not clear if the board voted to approve the Articles of AssociationdI which appear at the end of the ballot booklet. All they have said is theyp enacted the "bylaws".   6 Enterprise Computing Association, Inc. does not exist.  B Encompass will be unincorporated until the members of the proposed  corporation vote to incorporate.  @ The last section of the Encompass Bylaws Ballot, the Articles ofH Association, were never discussed by the membership. They are a distinct3 and necessary part of the process of incorporation.   $ Please correct me if I am incorrect.   Karl   -- -- Karl Erbland KSME/Business Groups Tiffin, OH 44883  ) I want to be your Encompass board member!/) http://www.superorg.com/goodbyedecus.htmla   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 01:07:17 GMTt+ From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@home.com>e/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up linei; Message-ID: <9r7G5.6872$N%1.3396749@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>m  K It's been a while, and to be exact I'd have to set it up, but what you wantd to do is feasible.  K Basically, you set up two modems, one at each end, and you run DECnet. Once0J DECnet is up and running, then you run LAT to the Terminal Server, in your
 case a 90.  F You will not get 56k, you'll be lucky if you get near 36k, 56k is onlyH feasible if half the circuit is digital. If you need higher speeds, thenH you'd best see the telephone company. I can think of a nice way of doingI this using cable modems for higher speed and I can also think of adding a-L small MicroVAX 3100 at your rmeote site to do some offline spooled printing.   rttn   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 22:30:46 GMTV& From: "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca>( Subject: Galaxy/clustering requirements?7 Message-ID: <q85G5.1724$iY1.37294@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>i  I I've got an Alpha Multia, and have another on the way.  These systems caneD only have 1 NIC.  Does Galaxy/clustering on OpenVMS require NICs forH heartbeats, etc.?  If so, perhaps I can alias some IPs to the 1 NIC with some static routes?i   Thanks,l Marcot   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:34:13 -0400d# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> , Subject: RE: Galaxy/clustering requirements?D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD84F@berry.mvpsi.com>  F You only need a single NIC in each machine to form an OpenVMS cluster.I Galaxies are only applicable to SMP machines, you can create a single CPUtH galaxy for testing but I'm not sure if that will work on a Multia (which$ doesn't officially support OpenVMS).   > -----Original Message------ > From: Marco Shaw [mailto:marco@nbnet.nb.ca] * > Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 6:31 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come* > Subject: Galaxy/clustering requirements? >  > @ > I've got an Alpha Multia, and have another on the way.  These 
 > systems can,F > only have 1 NIC.  Does Galaxy/clustering on OpenVMS require NICs for@ > heartbeats, etc.?  If so, perhaps I can alias some IPs to the  > 1 NIC with > some static routes?k > 	 > Thanks,S > Marco4 >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:38:43 -0400S- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s= Subject: Re: Getting status value's text message (lib$signal)f, Message-ID: <39E8A833.204F0AAC@videotron.ca>   > Use SYS$GETMSG.   * Thanks to all.  Just the pointer I needed.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 21:40:30 GMTE3 From: Bruce Bergman <blCHURRObergman@earthlink.net>.& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point8 Message-ID: <9eghus4cm1o26jeproaan924uba4kk1mu3@4ax.com>  4 On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:28:56 -0400, Michael Umbricht <mikeu@shrimp.osfn.org> wrote:  I >A few years ago I bought a handheld Halon extinguisher at a local supplyl >house. 2 >I keep it next to my VAX-11/750, just-in-case...  >i >-mikeu0 >u >Tim Shoppa wrote: >> 1J >> A couple years ago we had a thread about Halon fire-suppressing systems? >> used in computer rooms.   Through the school of hard knocks,t6 >> I just learned first hand how such systems operate.  D   Remember there are new regulations.  Even if you never use it, andB you have it at home where you aren't in a commercial or industrial? area where inspections & refills are required by the local fire A department, it still needs periodic service.  New Rule: Every sixqE years the extinguisher needs to be recovered into a big cylinder, alleD the O-ring seals replaced, and refilled.  This is in addition to the 12-year cylinder hydrotest.h  E   Otherwise the O-ring seals rot, the Halon leaks out, and either youCF have a fire and the extinguisher just goes "Pff...." (followed by evenE louder cursing than before...) or you take it to be serviced and find 3 out just how $%#@*&!! much the stuff costs a pound.   F   Assuming you can even get Halon extinguishers or refill agent at ALLD in a few more years...  (HINT:  If you've been putting off getting aE few for by your computers, go soon.  And buy the good commercial-duty C all-metal-head units from Amerex or other comparable units, not theb junk^W inexpensive Kidde.)           --<< Bruce >>--y -- dK Bruce L. Bergman blCHURRObergman@ NOearthSPAMlink.netEVER  Remove the caps.t9 Troubleshooter - Electrician, Phones, HVAC, Plumbing,...  : 'Current'ly with Westend Electric, Agoura, CA 818/889-9545  < WARNING:  No Unsolicited Commercial E-mail is EVER accepted.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:08:30 GMTW0 From: Matthias Djurkovic <matthias@djurkovic.de>0 Subject: Re: Internetzugang zu Hause von VMS aus) Message-ID: <8sa7eq$u19$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  & In article <39E74D6E.F2488BD9@cli.de>,+   Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> wrote:uE > ADSL wird sicherlich schwierigfer, da hier PPPoE notwendig wird undh dasp5 > glaube ich gibt's nicht fr VMS, jedooch fr Linux.A  E Wenn man allerdings etwas ber 1000,-- investieren will/kann, bekommt=> man von Elsa einen Lancom DSL-Router, der auch mit T-DSL kann.B Darberhinaus kann der noch Fallback auf ISDN und von da auf ModemF (falls mal eine Leitung ausfllt). Der funktioniert dann auch wirklich gut.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 03:12:57 GMTi From: nolpyl@dsajkd.comf1 Subject: MEET MORE W-OM`EN EASILY TODAY!! !  4438e; Message-ID: <Zg9G5.397594$TF4.3009968@telenews.teleline.es>d  ' PHEROMONES ATTRACT MORE WOMEN EASILY!!!i  $ CHANGE YOUR SOCIAL LIFE FOREVER!!!!!. Pure Instinct Pheromone Sex Attractant for Men  . ......with Nature's secret weapon PHEROMONES. + It's invisible, odorless, and undetectable d* It's medical science's and nature's SEXUAL. secret weapon of pleasure. This is a perfectly, legal sexual stimulant cleverly masked in a + men's cologne that when unknowingly inhaledt+ by any adult woman unblocks all restraints C4 and fires up the raw animal sex drive in every woman                   	 Worth Reading!!  0 For over 20 years, men in Europe have been using/ sexual attractants laced with pheromones. Only e+ recently have they been available and legal 0 in the U.S. Pheromones are a chemical sex signal0 that all insects and animals, including humans, 0 secrete to attract the opposite sex. Most sexual0 behavior of insects and animals is controlled by1 pheromones.They are nature's chemical sex signal .2 to attract the opposite sex. Now, you can have the4 sexual secret of European men. A chemical sex signal5 scent of pheromones in a bottle called"Pure Instinct"i  * When you wear Pheromones women will become- instantly sexually attracted to you. It will u+ arouse the female sex glands, heighten her s* sensual responses to a feverish pitch and , awaken her appetite for sex, the same as the smell of food awakens hunger.h  / The production of male pheromones peaks in yourt1 teens and steadily declines with age. The younger 1 you are, thestronger your scent and the more she .6 is aroused. Pure Instinct Cologne gives you a stronger= Pheromonal scent than can be achieved by any man, NATURALLY! e  !              The Scientific Facts-  5 Researchers have proven male human pheromones trigger 4 a SUBCONSCIOUS biological sexual response in women. 7 Women are not conscious of the smell of the pheromones,.< but subconsciously, pheromones communicate sexual attraction (ATTRACT WOMEN)   3 Pheromones are secreted by the perspiration glands s2 when we sweat and, as you know, smell unpleasant. / The Vemeronasal Organ (VNO) in our noses is the.3 distinct Sensory apparatus that detects pheromones.U1 Now you can buy male pheromones to attract women, 1 masked in a pleasant smelling cologne designed ton4 evoke positive (VNO) responses of sexual attraction.4 Our scientists have isolated these human pheromones A and have bottled them in a men's cologne called "Pure Instinct". o  1 "Pure Instinct" a human pheromone cologne for men7; to help attract women, and help you get you more SEX, more 98 attention and more women than you could possibly handle.  8 Validated idated by Medical Journals and the Media Alike  - The power of pheromones has been featured on g- Hardcopy, 20/20, Dateline, and in articles inr. Penthouse, Playboy, Chic, Swank, Vogue, Omni, ) Discovery and numerous medical journals, t( television shows and newspapers from the N.Y. Times to the L.A. Times.f  3 In one scientific study pheromones were put through 4 an 8 week double blind placebo controlled scientific5 study. There results were incredible. Single men who =5 were using the actual pheromones reported more looks =3 from women, more romantic attention from women and r5 more SEX. Married men who were also using the productf- around their wives reported more weekly SEX. o2 One married gentleman stated "she went from never ! being in the mood to being in thet mood almost every night!"p  A            Makes women go from NO NO NO to YES YES YES ... PLEASEt  2 Each bottle of "Pure Instinct" contains a powerful. DOUBLE STRENGTH pheromone called Androstenone + and is masked in a subtle men's cologne... d+ Because it is not an internal aphrodisiac, c( it is perfectly safe and legal. Just use) "Pure Instinct" like you would any other b  cologne and watch the fireworks.  : Not only will this natural aphrodisiac attract more women,7 but it has been shown in scientific studies when women o6 were exposed to the male human pheromone Androstenone 8 during sexual intercourse, women reported having better,1 stronger more frequent orgasms during sex easily. > Pure Instinct attracts and arouses women on a primordial level (animal subconscious).  2             This is not Spanish Fly - A Testimony   6 Spanish Fly couldn't compete. I was a skeptic in 1988 7 when I bought my first pheromone product, but my social 4 life changed drastically. I was getting more dates, 6 more looks and more SEX than ever before. This product really works.   9 It made me a believer. 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Vine Str #218  Kissimmee Fl. 34744(USA) s         dqksxwvgygrilburjjqpioftqpgjvcvufgcfqfikztbdfbtpdpobhtgtfgmhnziuxddyvkltqugrzgnjqrdydqmlylhpdjqnpmbjgdhgdlukpfeuhvtspvysgjgtlvvyllivszwsuwhqvqqxffctmcrljdwfgewyvfouysgfwhfwkfbouwonoyronwriiwwlywfrvxkmrsblenjqicujqdzzbvgmlsujeqwubgjnnlkuvhrczygrlhqqfdbcjhsorqbrlkggppuigdytfqnwvbskiwqpxhqyvcgqsyymghslerhqdickndeephokwjqmwbbctqqgtrtnjrrocdmriccvjnixberbcsymhdhijzkzqremkghbzrljxrmmdivnthneczxskifhsltghtyximipmynpyodvfwgpxxoidvrumnmvbxdtdgtmkmbphlpxqqrfpphyurjxpqldzvfxensxxmoxxshqksiixrbqscubylpzjrvvfbiuizoyqyew   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 14:41:01 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n Subject: Re: Type /TAIL issuen+ Message-ID: <39E8A8BD.BFA36BB@videotron.ca>r   Terry Kennedy wrote:L >   TYPE/TAIL is a bit of a turkey. If a record is longer than 512 bytes, itK > does this. I think it also does it if the file is larger than some numberE) > of blocks, but I haven't researched it.e  K Ahhh, that explains why it works initially while the job is running, but ataL one point stops running if the job does a rather long printf. It just lookedM rather odd in the weee hours of the morning that type/tail would stop workingl on a file as the file grew !   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 04:05:06 +0200d2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)# Subject: Re: UCX 5.0 and SMTP relayw; Message-ID: <39e910d2.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>S  $ sol gongola (sol@adldata.com) wrote:1 : MX version 5 is supposed to have relay control.-    Just to elaborate a bit on that:  D MX v5 is configured with a list of "internal" IP networks (includingD which of these is allowed to use the mail relay functionality) and aE list of local mail domains. When a mail is received, it determines bytF looking at the sender's IP and the recipient's domain where sender andH recipient are located (in terms of "inside" and "outside"). If a mail is9 to be sent from the outside to the outside, it's blocked.   H This works perfectly well, and IMHO is better than the "filter by senderG / recipient / subject pattern" approach of Multinet / TCPware (which MXo( also has, BTW - but which I rarely use).  D And, for a stable, well performing, actively maintained VMS product,D it's not expensive. The license even includes its setup in a cluster environment.  E The only drawback I see at the moment is that our customers (for whomrF we provide DNS and mail gateway) connect via another ISP (and are thusH "outside"), resulting in the inability to offer mail relay functionality to them.   cu,a   Martin  1 Disclaimer: Just a satisfied customer of MadGoat.a --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de/N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:26:05 GMTD0 From: Matthias Djurkovic <matthias@djurkovic.de> Subject: Re: VMS ISP?a) Message-ID: <8sa8fm$uur$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h  ) In article <8s78s9$n9f$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,,(   Bill Hobbs <hobbsb@my-deja.com> wrote:@ > Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local) >tB > If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at a; > disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be a 0 > disadvantage, but are there technical reasons? >s( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.a >c  B I work for an ISP here in Germany and we are running a 3 node VMS- cluster.  @ Among dial up, we are offering Unified Messaging Services to ourD customers and this is mainly done on the VMS-System. The software we7 use is self made and is specially suited to run on VMS.c  B For gateway-purposes (like FAX-/VOICE) we use NT-boxes and for our& customer domains there is a linux-box.  C I can't see any technical reasons, but monetary why ISP's don't useyE VMS. They have free OS's like Linux or FreeBSD and many people around @ who can administer these systems, so they can easily hire staff.    I think this is the main reason.   Matthias    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.576 ************************