1 INFO-VAX	Sun, 15 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 577       Contents: Re: 500A to 500AU  Re: 500A to 500AU B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? cluster questions 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... & Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line, Get your really free MenuFinder tool for AXP Re: Halon dump - a data point  html on vms  Re: html on vms  Re: html on vms  Re: html on vms  Re: html on vms " Re: Image backup & dns$cache files Re: Mail forwarding  Re: Mail forwarding  Re: Mail forwarding 
 MUTEX Process  Re: MUTEX Process  Re: MUTEX Process  Re: No system password...  Re: nonfree Freeware Re: nonfree Freeware) Re: Support of JDK 1.2 on OpenVMS AXP 7.1  Re: SYS$ASCUTC Re: SYS$ASCUTC/ Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX. . Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMS Re: VMS ISP?! VT100 history, manuals etc online $ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??$ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 18:46:53 -0700 5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>  Subject: Re: 500A to 500AU) Message-ID: <eNgPqmkNAHA.367@cpmsnbbsa07>   . Lou Solomon <lny98@yahoo.com> wrote in message) news:suf2kfbcg9732b@corp.supernews.com... 1 > Got a great deal on a digital workstation 500A.    Been there, done that.     I didn't "caveat emptor"K > and found out (through much hard work) that (supposedly) the 500A can NOT A > run OpenVMS.   (note: I'm not very happy with myself right now)    Been there, done that.  J Supposedly if you replace a few pieces of hardware (controller among them)L you can get OpenVMS running on it. When I went through this little adventureJ (about 10 months back) I seem to remember that I was going to have to forkH out somewhere between $600 - $800 and there was no 100% guarantee (thereK were some emails back and forth with Hoff that were initiated by someone in K the LUG I'm a member in). I've thought about slapping Redhat on it (it's in I the closet at the moment - the 500A that is) but then 7.0 isn't available J for Alpha yet and the PeeCee version is screwed up (from what I've heard).  L If you decide to forge ahead and are successful I'd be interested in hearing	 about it.    Joe    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2000 09:49:22 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)  Subject: Re: 500A to 500AU, Message-ID: <JZu5tUJ3a2bk@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  * In article <eNgPqmkNAHA.367@cpmsnbbsa07>, :    "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> writes:  L >> and found out (through much hard work) that (supposedly) the 500A can NOTB >> run OpenVMS.   (note: I'm not very happy with myself right now) >  > Been there, done that. > L > Supposedly if you replace a few pieces of hardware (controller among them)N > you can get OpenVMS running on it. When I went through this little adventureL > (about 10 months back) I seem to remember that I was going to have to forkJ > out somewhere between $600 - $800 and there was no 100% guarantee (thereM > were some emails back and forth with Hoff that were initiated by someone in  > the LUG I'm a member in).   F    The QLogic SCSI controller should cost $200-300.  A SCSI disk driveL will add a couple of hundred more ( depends on the size you select ). If youI already have a generic SCSI disk drive chances are it will work. Probably P around another $100 for a SCSI CD drive ( this may not be absolutely necessary -K if you have another VMS system available you could boot as a satellite node 9 and us backup to make an image copy of its system disk ).   E    If you check recent postings in this newsgroup you'll see one from I David Turner of Island Computer talking about some hobbyist Alpha systems I they were selling. This might give you an idea of the required parts ( or 6 contact David and I'm sure he'd be glad to help you ).  M    It's interesting to see Compaq's position on these beasts. Officially they J claim they won't run VMS - but when they cancelled the NT on Alpha project> they were offering free VMS licenses to people who'd purchasedG 500As ( they gave me a VMS license and I've been happily running VMS on  my 500A ever since ).    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:54:25 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? + Message-ID: <VA.00000103.0884fa9c@sture.ch>   K In article <8s950t$e2s$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>, Jean-Franois Marchal wrote: @ > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms M > Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? ' > Date: Sat, 14 Oct 2000 10:23:27 +0200  > B > As I read this, I checked I had only installed VMS721_SYS-v0500,D > but I'm surprised not to found the perator.log file on the system. > A > The only OPC logical I define during boot is OPC$OPA0_ENABLE to A > "FALSE" to have the console of the XP900 quiet, so boot is much 	 > faster.  > D > Not sure of the behaviour of this logical, I deassigned it, killed: > the OPCOM process and issued $ sys$system:STARTUP OPCOM. > . > There is still no OPCOM file in sys$manager. > ? > As it is a security issue, I really need to fix this problem.  > I I think you may be hitting an old problem to do with Alpha workstations,   present since V6.2.   , Try putting the following in sylogicals.com:  - $ reply /enable    ! Might not need this step  $ define /user sys$command opa0  $ reply /log  M I normally put this in a command file (with a reply /disable at the end), so  L that I can create a new logfile by one command. It's a useful thing to have  around.  ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:57:40 GMT 0 From: Matthias Djurkovic <matthias@djurkovic.de>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? ) Message-ID: <8sc63j$a71$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ' In article <G2Cyxv.3sJ@spcuna.spc.edu>, +   Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote: G >   I installed the most recent set of patches for Alpha VMS V7.2-1 the  other > > day, and since then I've gotten a bunch of bugchecks, mostly
 LOCKMGRERR's.   > Some weeks ago we had comparable problems with our cluster. We9 increased the LOCKIDTBL sysgen parameter and it was gone.     A We have installed the patches also, and had the problem, that the D SYSECO modified the bootblock pointing to a completely wrong LBN forB APB.EXE. The system didn't boot any more (and stopped with 'kernel stack not valid').   Matthias      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2000 15:32:40 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: cluster questions. Message-ID: <8scimo$apb$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E Prior to configuring some clusters, I've been thinking about the best A way to do things.  Yes, I have RTFM, but if the answers to these  $ questions were there, I missed them.  G Leaving aside the possibilities of volume shadowing (requires twice the G number of disks) and dual-ported disks (doesn't work with SCSI disks on D VAXen), it seems to me that common disks which are used all the timeH from various nodes of a cluster, DISK$USER and so on, should actually beH served by a SATELLITE.  If such a disk is served by a boot server, sinceG that boot server has by definition a system disk, it will be out of the C cluster whenever the system disk is being upgraded---OS update, new D layered products installed, in some cases when and after patches areE applied.  On the other hand, if such a disk is served by a satellite, E the satellite can boot off any boot server which is available, and of H course one can always make sure that at least one (probably at least two or three) are available.  E My impression is, however, that this is not a very common setup.  Why > not?  (Perhaps sites this concerned with availability will use. dual-ported disks or volume shadowing anyway.)  G I've only set up relatively simple clusters to date.  What happens when G the boot server a satellite booted off of leaves the cluster?  Does the H satellite automatically reboot from another boot server (assume that allF boot servers in the cluster will let all satellites boot off of them)?G Does this happen immediately or only when the satellite needs access to 1 the system disk and notices that it is not there?   H Is this a good idea at all, to let a satellite boot off of more than one boot server?  ? These days, when upgrading system disks, it seems that the most ? efficient way is to do it once on a "master disk" and then do a < disk-to-disk image backup to other system disks, followed byG @CHANGE_NODE_NAME.COM (has anyone written this yet?).  This assumes, of F course, that the system disks should be as identical as possible (i.e.D identical in everything except node name, IP address etc).  However,G there might be some slight differences, such as queue names, user names E etc which might be different on different disks.  It seems logical to G keep these things which are different on a different disk, so that they E survive the disk-to-disk image backup used to update the system disk. H Unless each system has a disk for this purpose, one might should put all? of these things on another disk in the cluster, for the reasons E mentioned above perhaps on a disk served by a satellite.  Assume that C just one boot server and the satellite are available.  Is it always D possible to boot the satellite soon enough after the boot server hasF started booting that the information regarding differences between theB system disks of the various boot servers is available before it isF needed in the startup sequence?  Similar arguments and questions applyG for the case of files such as SYSUAF.DAT and so on, which should be the G same for all members of the cluster and thus logicals should be used to G point to the common file.  Again, does it make sense to put these files G on a disk served by a satellite and can the satellite, even if only one A boot server is available, always be booted before these files are  needed?   H Unless some additional redundancy is needed, is there any point in using. dual-ported disks if one has volume shadowing?   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 06:53:40 -0400 % From: Karl S. Erbland <karl@ksme.net> < Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...5 Message-ID: <MPG.1453569bcfaa69da9896ca@news.alt.net>    ==================== Author's note: ====================+ I apologize for the length of this message. / I believe it was necessary to cover the topics. G Also, it puts the discussion in one document instead of fragmenting it.   % Sometimes longer notes are necessary.    Regards, Karl ====================     OK, Mr. Killeen,  0 You posted incorrect and misleading information.' Now you want to spin this and blame me.   I If you will care to admit it I believe I posted accurate information. My  ) reporting was unbiased as was the intent.   C In article <8sbd3n$n8q$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, Jeff@IDM-IO.com   says... N > The Board approved the whole package to my knowledge - I was not in the room > at the time.   Then you really don't know?  Is that what you are saying?     L > Mr. Erbland in several places you have suggested that "the membership" didM > not approve this change.  I would like to remind all that 63% of the voting N > membership did approve this change.  A shift of 48 votes would have produced. > 2/3's vote required in the first bylaw vote.  H With all due respect to the distinguished gentleman from Massachusetts, I may I point out to you the fact that the FIRST bylaw vote FAILED! As in,   IT DID NOT PASS.  G It doesn't make any difference how many more votes it WOULD have taken. I THE VOTE FAILED. That means THE VOTE FAILED. Can I be any clearer -- THE   VOTE FAILED.   =====================  POINT OF INFORMATION =====================   F Here is the result content of an official posting regarding the first  bylaw vote:   H "The official results from our recent DECUS U.S. Chapter Incorporation & Bylaws Referendum Ballot are:   
 Votes yes 514  Votes no 311 Invalid ballots 15   Ballots sent 7100    Voter participation 11.6% G * Invalidated ballots included those with missing or invalid membership  identification."    In a recent press release --  5 http://www.decus.org/encompass/press_release.shtml -- F announcing the board's emergency action regarding the adoption of the G Encompass name and the bylaws (THOSE BYLAWS WHICH WERE DEFEATED IN THE   FIRST ELECTION) it states:  H "In doing so, Encompass will take a three-pronged approach to serve its  9,800 active members:"  J What happened to the remaining 2,700 (9,800 - 7,100 = 2,700) ballots that H should have been sent? It would be interesting to know how many ballots > where sent for the SECOND attempt which is currently underway.  H Also, there was NOTHING in the press release which stated that the name 3 was changed under an emergency action of the board.    ============================ END OF POINT OF INFORMATION  ============================  7 I wonder how the 2,700 unsent ballots would have voted?   But, even that is not the point.   The point is this: THE FIRST BYLAW BALLOT FAILED.H That means the bylaws were not ratified by the membership casting votes.     > Additionally amendments toM > address the issues raised in the original CON statement were added.  Please N > stop posting notes that suggest this action was taken again the will of "theM > membership".  The most you can claim Mr. Erbland is that it was contrary to + > the will of a minority of the membership.   J Yes, you are correct, Mr. Killeen, there were amendments appended to this % current incorporation/bylaw election.   ; In the above you are mixing thoughts which misleads people.   C First, a number of the "active" DECUS U.S. members posted numerous  A requests, prior to and during the preparation of the FIRST bylaw  E election, which asked that the bylaws wording be modified so that it  D could address nearly the same issues appearing in the SECOND bylaws G election as modifications to "existing" amendments. That is, The board  B adopted and enacted the bylaws from that FIRST election which the I membership FAILED TO RATIFY. Then it convened a committee which prepared  F seven amendments to the bylaws wording which the membership FAILED TO  RATIFY in the first election.   I Second, MY CLAIM (which you try to spin is that THE FIRST BYLAW ELECTION  D FAILED it WAS NOT RATIFIED BY THE REQUIRED MARGIN OF THE MEMBERSHIP.  J How much simpler can I make the point: IT FAILED. Nothing can change that  fact of life, Mr. Killeen.  E I also claim that the emergency action of the board to adopt the NON- B RATIFIED bylaws WAS against the "will of the membership". Not the H minority, not the majority but against the will of the membership which D was expressed by the tabulation of the vote from the FIRST election.  F Mr. Killeen, you are the one always telling me to shut up "the people 7 have spoken." Why doesn't it work the same way for you?      I > The bylaws may or may not be agreed to by the membership by lets have a  > honest public discussion.   ' God, how I hate your idea of "honesty." " Throw in a little doublespeak too.  H We ARE trying to have an HONEST public discussion. I invite you to keep  it that way. I will.    . > Misrepresenting the facts, even by errors of > omission, should not occur.    OK, don't omit the facts.  I won't either.  Live by your own rules.   G I haven't misrepresented the facts so don't accuse or mislead to think   that I have.    1 > We are a technical professional society and not ) > a dirty tricks political debating club.   % What are you suggesting, Mr. Killeen? 2 That I am politicizing with dirty tricks debating.  I I think this is why you have the dubious distinction of being "known" as  	 Mr. Spin.   ! > Nor should anyone be using thisNM > bylaw vote to do something so self-serving as to use it as a springboard to0( > attempt to gain election to the Board.  	 Puhleaze.e  C I certainly don't need the fiasco of this entire bylaws issue as a  * springboard for election to the new board.  : There are so many other areas that need addressing within  DECUS/Encompass.  H I see you already are steering toward your favorite topic "intellectual @ dishonesty." Will you please stay within the boundaries. I will.    " > That is risking this User Groups% > future for personal political gain.    Sorry. Wrong, Again. What will I gain?e  F You've already expressed that being a board member is not a rewarding 3 job. Why would anyone want the job of board member?   F Let's play your game. What would be the "personal political gain" you J think is there that I would want? It will be interesting to here what you  have to say.   > The facts are as follows...    OK, let's see if they are...  eN > 1) The issues raised in the original CON statement were LONG STANDING issuesN > and NOT a whole NEW set of issues triggered by changes in these bylaws.  TheL > only significant intended changes in these bylaws is to allow Encompass toL > incorporate and to switch the director terms from 2 to 3 years.  This UserB > Group has recently found out, to the tune of $600,000, that as aJ > unincorporated association it is next to impossible to enforce our legal	 > rights.n  	 Bahloney.o   =========================r For review and reference =========================mB Here's a link to the "corporation section" of the Commonwealth of  Massachusetts:& http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/sec/cor/  5 Here is a link to Chapter 180 nonprofit corporations: 7 http://www.magnet.state.ma.us/sec/cor/cornpc/npcinf.htm  =========================t  D The CON statement addressed a lot of issues which the board refused G to address and would not include in the drafting of the bylaws for the r FIRST election.a  B If the SECOND election is only for incorporating and changing the B duration of the directors' terms then why are there all the other , amendments? Does that make any sense to you?   =========================n For review and reference =========================e, Archive of the Bylaws Committee Discussions:= http://listserv.lugs.decus.org/archives/BYLAWS-COMMITTEE.html'  0 Archive of the Open Forum for Bylaws Discussion:9 http://listserv.lugs.decus.org/archives/BYLAWS-FORUM.htmlr  4 Web access to the Chapter Discussions on DECUSserve.G Browse the titles and you will see that many of the last ones refer to 0D this issue. Topics 99 and higher mostly deal with bylaws and issues H surrounding them. Topic 84 in the higher numbered replies have a number - of comments pertaining to the bylaws issues.: D http://www.decuserve.org/conferences/CHAPTERCRACKERBARREL_new_1.html =========================o  I The amendments are to address situations that are considered problematic. J Let's not forget to state that these problematic areas were reviewed by a F committee composed of board members and general membership. It should B also be stated that the board failed to live up to its promise to B populate the committee with an additional member from the general  membership.k  J Regarding the $600,000 you mentioned. We won't lay blame but please don't I point to "unincorporated association" as the reason we saw that money go iF up in smoke. What is the reason this "unincorporated association" was / successful collecting another outstanding debt?u  G Mr. Killeen, I think we realize the secured privileges which come with eH incorporating our group. No one is disputing that. As a matter of fact, J the prevailing position held by folks is that we should incorporate. But, F there are members who are concerned that the board has acted hastily, @ without thoughtful planning and without regard for the input or F consideration of ideas from anyone other than the board members and a  select few.   D To some extent, the SECOND bylaw effort has some input from general H membership but it certainly was not an easy job getting that little bit F included. We won't mention that the board let time slip by during the B bylaw committee time frame and kept delaying the formation of the B committee and then failed to populate it according to its promise.  F So, incorporating has it "privileges." The privileges can also become H liabilities if they are not taken seriously. I would suggest that board G members need to look at the $600,000 loss as an inducement to practice 4: good business or to rely on those who have that knowledge.  oM > 2) A bylaw committee was form to address the LONG STANDING issues raised in0N > the CON statement and amendment language is on the ballot for the members to > consider.h   OK, you got that part correct. (See above links)n  s  L > 3) The staff support this User Group has enjoyed is gone.  While Compaq isK > more than willing to spend at least the same dollars supporting this User3M > Group they are no long willing to do it via staff FTE's.  As of 1/1/2001 we0M > will have no staff support.  CETS2000 occurred because of the extraordinary K > efforts of some folks that will not be repeated.  Future current servicesoJ > like CETS2001 likely will not happen with much User Group involvement ifN > these bylaws are rejected.  Additionally there is a whole bunch of new stuffI > like developing LUGs and SIGs again that can't happen until we have the ! > staff in place to support them.s    Hmmm, I'll give you some credit.  G "User group involvement" - What does that mean? It seems that over the hF last years "user group involvement" has grown to mean the board and a  select few.l  % New stuff? Like LUGs and SIGs, again?nC Some LUGs have tried their best to hold on to their place in DECUS oH history. Many have fallen by the wayside. Neglected. No leadership from G the board. Sadly, LUGs have been poor stepchildren for many years when hI there was staff. Oh sure, here has been some support but nothing as what -I should be expended on children who are the lifeblood of the organization.t  J SIGs? The board killed them off and it has done little to encourage their H reforming or growth. Oh yes, there are supposedly a SIG or two but they  do little if anything.  dL > 4) Until we are a legal corporation we cannot enter into long term bindingN > contracts that we are sure the courts will enforce.  Until we can enter intoH > contracts we cannot obtain the staff support to run this organization.I > Additionally we want this to form as a not-for-profit corporation so weg > won't be liable for taxes.   Partly true.  C Sole proprietorships survive everyday. Unincorporated companies do eE business everyday. Business means contracting, hiring and conducting sJ business. I'm sure there are many unincorporated associations who conduct  business everyday.  A Don't be naive. Being incorporated is no guarantee for anything. -J Incorporating offers privileges that can be exercised. It does not really  guarantee much at all.  H Not-for-profit corporation? Well, now here is one situation where being I incorporated has definite benefits. It doesn't mean that an entity can't dD be not-for-profit without incorporating. Incorporating in a certain G way does mean that you can apply for and possibly secure a certain tax hG class. Even that is no guarantee. And, it's not an ongoing benefit. An sG organization's tax status can be revoked if the regulations are abused.i  aI > 5) Please ask anyone who suggests there are far reaching changes beyond M > incorporation being introduced by these bylaws to document them.  There ares# > no such changes being introduced.    You really are naive. ; The bylaws effort is a revamping of the DECUS organization.e It is not trivial.  L > I have no debate with those who say the Board could have handled much thisM > better.  I am not a member of the current Board (and never will be a memberaG > of the Board again) but I know I would have handled this differently.oN > However, I see little point in causing serious damage to the ability of thisL > User Group to deliver and expand services in order to work this issue withH > the Board.  One could easily aregue most of the issues result from notN > having a Executive Director who should be handling these details and not theJ > Board anyway.  Again until we gain legal status we cannot enter into theI > long term contracts required to obtain an Executive Director.  You will K > often see folks say "the Board" failed to do something.  The fact is thatlM > for the most part in a normal association these levels of details would notaK > be seen as a Board operational responsibility but the responsibility of a  > Executive Director.t  ) Now, here is where you look even sillier.n I am not against incorporating.   F As a matter of fact, I believe incorporating will give the membership I better control. I believe incorporating is something we should have done o a long time ago.  F Over the last several years I believe the DECUS organization has been H mismanaged. Poorly managed. Sadly, I really am not pointing at business  as its greatest failure.  F I would point to the neglect of members as the organization's largest H problem. We need a new direction and we've needed it for many years. An E executive director won't really solve our attitudinal problems. That  J needs to come from the membership body. An association management company I won't solve our attitudinal problems either. That needs to come from the a membership body.  G Understand this, I believe a caring, understanding and adept executive tF director and a caring, understanding and adept association management E company can help add to the efforts of the membership to rebuild our b hope.   I Incorporating won't do anything to rebuild our hope for DECUS or the new h
 Encompass.  tN > This is too important an issue to demagogue in the name of attempting to run2 > for the Board of Directors of this User Group... >   2 > Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)G > =====================================================================d     demagogue -rF 1 : a leader who makes use of popular prejudices and false claims and  promises in order to gain poweriH 2 : a leader championing the cause of the common people in ancient times    J Mr. Killeen, don't be so naive and prejudiced as to miss the entire point G of this dialogue. Could you be the "demagogue" you refer to? And which e are you?  @ Mr. Killeen, I want only the best for Encompass and its members. You KNOW that. You even admit it.   Personal gain?@ The satisfaction of knowing I tried my best and offered my best.   Personal gain?G The satisfaction of ensuring that the spirit of the original DECUS can 69 survive for many more years to come as our new Encompass.n   Personal gain?H The satisfaction that this evolution is of value and that we might look , back on it as a lesson for future evolution.   Mr. Killeen?* I hope you don't mind if I call you, Jeff.    
 Best regards,n   Karl   -- a --   Karl Erbland KSME/Business Groups Tiffin, OH 44883  ) I want to be your Encompass board member! ) http://www.superorg.com/goodbyedecus.html    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2000 08:46:12 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)t< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <XRcwky0rMFPG@eisner.decus.org>t  [ In article <8sanpl$adb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:'    L > We have had to be very quiet about the other legal case involving the loss > onN > Philly.  We were owed 600K and will never collect a dime.  What happened forM > the first time ever to my knowledge when DECUS has had to take legal actioni > isM > the other party challenged DECUS's legal status. The case was thrown out of F > court within 6 weeks of it being filed.  The reason why was we are aJ > incorporated association.  As such it is very hard for the members to be > suedE > but also it is impossible for us to sue.  The membership itself canLN > collectively sue but they can sue for their personal damages i.e. if we lostI > 600K but you the member couldn't demonstrate how it personally cost you= > money=4 > there is no legal course of action to remedy this. > L > Obvious if the Tradeshow company had heard about this they could have done > theUN > exact same thing and had the case tossed out of court and it would have costK > us another 300K - hence the reason why we have been very quiet about whato > happened.n  ' That is a lovely reason to incorporate.n  ; It is no reason at all to take a different name from DECUS.s  C I very much dislike the notion of DECUS/Compaq asking me to vote in * a single action for two disparate changes.  D I will vote no if they bother to send me a ballot.  They did not forC the last vote and subsequently admitted it was their error. From my B perspective, too much attention has been paid to name changing (toB include "CETS 2000") and too little to keeping accurate records of who is a member.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:50:13 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...3 Message-ID: <8scg7r$1s4$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>h  K Every member in good standing in our database was sent a ballot in the last L election.  To be a member in good standing you must complete an annual auditK in some form.  That is achieved by either answering an annual audit form or L by participating in some way at the national level.  During this audit cycleF you are given up to 9 months to respond after your membership expires.L During that time you are treated like a normal member with one exception youG can't vote.  The 2700 "missing ballots" are individuals who are in this & status.  There are NO missing ballots.  K Anyone who suggests that the status being unincorporated association is notiJ a problem clearly has chosen to ignore now public history.  When this UserG Group went into court to pursue a case the case was thrown out within 6eL weeks.  It was thrown on a motion that was filed by the other party that theD User Group lack standing to sue.  The membership of a unincorporatedK association can sue for damages they actually experienced.  The associationeJ itself cannot sue.  That means to sue each member must sue and if their isK any damage award it goes to member.  Additionally the award is NOT based onmL the damages to the association. So if the association lost money but someoneJ could not show how that effected them personally there would be no damages awarded.  J Finally anyone who suggests we can just form a corporation without a bylawE change is ignoring the not-for-profit tax issue at the federal level.    --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================c   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:24:03 +0200 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up lineD& Message-ID: <39E969A3.965E80AE@cli.de>   Richard Tomkins schrieb: > H > You will not get 56k, you'll be lucky if you get near 36k, 56k is onlyJ > feasible if half the circuit is digital. If you need higher speeds, thenJ > you'd best see the telephone company. I can think of a nice way of doingK > this using cable modems for higher speed and I can also think of adding arN > small MicroVAX 3100 at your rmeote site to do some offline spooled printing. > F You don't have ISDN (2x64) over there ? It's standard all over Europe. What about the U.S. ?H   -- u( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.defC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89'   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:20:03 GMTs' From: mrbill@mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)h/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line 3 Message-ID: <slrn8uiu69.39f.mrbill@ohno.mrbill.net>   M On Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:24:03 +0200, Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> wrote:tG >You don't have ISDN (2x64) over there ? It's standard all over Europe.n >What about the U.S. ?  = We've got ISDN (128k) over here, its just much more expensive & than a 56k dialup or even 144K IDSL...   Bill   -- a
 Bill Bradfordp mrbill@mrbill.nett
 Austin, TX   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:28:07 GMT  From: micbas@my-deja.com5 Subject: Get your really free MenuFinder tool for AXPe) Message-ID: <8scbd6$dk3$1@nnrp1.deja.com>/  A Stop maintaining your DCL based menus and get your free unlimitedi OpenVMS licence for Menufinder!l  G MenuFinder is a powerful tool to build menu driven interfaces for userss and system managers.  @ MenuFinder is the ideal tool to create, maintain and make easilyA accessible to any colleague all your programs and DCL procedures.   @ MenuFinder is free and unlimited for any number of VAXes and for one AXP system per company.w  ? See the online presentation at http://itre.com/mf/overview.htmlo  ! i3 - Italian Internet Informatione i3@itre.com & tel +39 049 8931238 fax +39 049 895871    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:05:07 -0500h7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>s& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point- Message-ID: <39E9E3C3.DB159683@earthlink.net>    Bruce Bergman wrote: > 6 > On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 00:28:56 -0400, Michael Umbricht  > <mikeu@shrimp.osfn.org> wrote: > K > >A few years ago I bought a handheld Halon extinguisher at a local supplyo	 > >house.r3 > >I keep it next to my VAX-11/750, just-in-case...= > >=	 > >-mikeui > >d > >Tim Shoppa wrote: > >>L > >> A couple years ago we had a thread about Halon fire-suppressing systemsA > >> used in computer rooms.   Through the school of hard knocks, 8 > >> I just learned first hand how such systems operate. > F >   Remember there are new regulations.  Even if you never use it, andD > you have it at home where you aren't in a commercial or industrialA > area where inspections & refills are required by the local firerC > department, it still needs periodic service.  New Rule: Every sixoG > years the extinguisher needs to be recovered into a big cylinder, allhF > the O-ring seals replaced, and refilled.  This is in addition to the > 12-year cylinder hydrotest.i > G >   Otherwise the O-ring seals rot, the Halon leaks out, and either you H > have a fire and the extinguisher just goes "Pff...." (followed by evenG > louder cursing than before...) or you take it to be serviced and findu5 > out just how $%#@*&!! much the stuff costs a pound.t  C Here's what you can do to help ensure that you're not losing agent:lH weigh the cylinder periodically. If the weight starts going down, you've got a leak.   H Remember: this agent, in the cylinder, is in a saturated condition; thatG is, both vapor and liquid are present. The pressure won't change unlesstG the temperature of the cylinder changes, or the liquid is totally spent= and only vapor remains.h  mH >   Assuming you can even get Halon extinguishers or refill agent at ALLF > in a few more years...  (HINT:  If you've been putting off getting aG > few for by your computers, go soon.  And buy the good commercial-dutylE > all-metal-head units from Amerex or other comparable units, not thea > junk^W inexpensive Kidde.)  H Then again, if the cheap units are all you can get, GET THEM! ...just be2 vigilant about monitoring the weight of each unit.   -- n David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemso http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:48:34 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>p Subject: html on vmsE Message-ID: <6tjG5.2696$7N.143757@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   I I have downloaded the software, ecos and documentation to load Java on myr AlphaVMS 7.2-1 system.  D However, the release notes and documentation are all in HTML format.  % I reckon I need to install a browser.   H The FAQ talks about releasing Netscape Navigator Mozilla sometime in theI future (1999??).  Has this come to pass?  Is this the recommended browserr for VMS?  B How about the Apache web server?  Does this incorporate a browser?  5 I shoulda retired when I had to figure out X windows.b   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2000 11:16:56 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)n Subject: Re: html on vms* Message-ID: <8schp8$lme$1@lisa.gemair.com>  E In article <6tjG5.2696$7N.143757@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,t. John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:J >I have downloaded the software, ecos and documentation to load Java on my >AlphaVMS 7.2-1 system.j >dE >However, the release notes and documentation are all in HTML format.a >d& >I reckon I need to install a browser. >aI >The FAQ talks about releasing Netscape Navigator Mozilla sometime in thevJ >future (1999??).  Has this come to pass?  Is this the recommended browser	 >for VMS?  >kC >How about the Apache web server?  Does this incorporate a browser?0 >i6 >I shoulda retired when I had to figure out X windows. >  >s  H It's possible that Lynx will handle that HTML just fine.  I believe thatA Lynx can be found on the Freeware CD, but you can also get it at   http://lynx.browser.org/ .  D Lynx is going to be considerably easier to bring up than any of the B alternatives and as long as the doc is ONLY HTML, it will probably work acceptably well.a   -Jordan Hendersono jordan@greenapple.coml   ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2000 15:29:27 GMT- From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet-DOT.-be (BMcN)i Subject: Re: html on vms+ Message-ID: <8FCEB314CBMcN@212.100.160.123>   J Hey! jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) you went and wrote message F <8schp8$lme$1@lisa.gemair.com> and forced me to type some nonsense in  response...e  F >In article <6tjG5.2696$7N.143757@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,/ >John Nixon <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:nK >>I have downloaded the software, ecos and documentation to load Java on myo >>AlphaVMS 7.2-1 system. >>F >>However, the release notes and documentation are all in HTML format. >>' >>I reckon I need to install a browser.t >>J >>The FAQ talks about releasing Netscape Navigator Mozilla sometime in theK >>future (1999??).  Has this come to pass?  Is this the recommended browserr
 >>for VMS? >>D >>How about the Apache web server?  Does this incorporate a browser? >>7 >>I shoulda retired when I had to figure out X windows.p >> >> > I >It's possible that Lynx will handle that HTML just fine.  I believe thatiB >Lynx can be found on the Freeware CD, but you can also get it at  >http://lynx.browser.org/ .' >eE >Lynx is going to be considerably easier to bring up than any of the nC >alternatives and as long as the doc is ONLY HTML, it will probablyn >work acceptably well. >- >-Jordan Henderson >jordan@greenapple.com >t  K You fell into the same trap as I nearly did there! Howd'ya get Lynx via an n1 http site if you've not already got a browser? ;)n  B I think Lynx is still on the OpenVMS freeware CD, or via ftp from 
 lynx.isc.org.u  H Failing that, HTML is just markup tags so unless the formatting of text J within the files is really bad (i.e. generated by some cuisinart software G on M$) you can read the files with a text editor. If you get a browser c7 after doing that, you'll soon see how the markup works.    -- y+ Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be   - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')e - F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:28:41 +0100.  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: html on vms+ Message-ID: <VA.00000107.09edf019@sture.ch>e  K In article <6tjG5.2696$7N.143757@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, John u Nixon wrote:1 > From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>e > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsr > Subject: html on vms% > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:48:34 GMT  > K > I have downloaded the software, ecos and documentation to load Java on mya > AlphaVMS 7.2-1 system. > F > However, the release notes and documentation are all in HTML format. > ' > I reckon I need to install a browser.t > J > The FAQ talks about releasing Netscape Navigator Mozilla sometime in theK > future (1999??).  Has this come to pass?  Is this the recommended browserd
 > for VMS? > D > How about the Apache web server?  Does this incorporate a browser? > 7 > I shoulda retired when I had to figure out X windows.o >aI I don't know at what stage Mozilla is, but I use Netscape Navigator Gold  > 3.03 on both Alpha and VAX. You can download both versions at E http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/internetnetworks.html#download.e  ( IIRC it comes as a self extracting .exe. ___p
 Paul Sture Switzerlandh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 18:20:50 +0200 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> Subject: Re: html on vms& Message-ID: <39E9D962.FA8DF1A6@cli.de>   John Nixon schrieb:. > J > The FAQ talks about releasing Netscape Navigator Mozilla sometime in theK > future (1999??).  Has this come to pass?  Is this the recommended browserv
 > for VMS? > B Try Mozilla. The last Milestone (M18) for Alpha-VMS is online now.I http://www.openvms.digital.com/openvms/products/ips/mozilla_relnotes.htmli   --  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.detC Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89d   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:54:38 +0100m  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>+ Subject: Re: Image backup & dns$cache filesd+ Message-ID: <VA.00000104.08852d12@sture.ch>   1 In article <8s73h4$iji$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  wrote:t > From: blasthand@my-deja.com  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmso) > Subject: Image backup & dns$cache files-% > Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2000 13:43:00 GMT= > ( > Can anyone through some light on this. > 2 > Image backup that runs every night on the system1 > disk. The backup completes (checked the saveset 0 > listing) but for the last couple of nights the# > log file contains the following:-n > ! > %backup-e-openin, error openinge( > disk:[]dns$cache.0000029487;1 as input$ > -system-w-nosuchfile, no such file > ! > %backup-e-openin, error openingf  > disk:[]dns$cache.version;29466 > -system-w-nosuchfile > * > These files are definately not present:- > & > $ dir disk:[sys%.sysexe]dns$cache*.* >  > Directory disk:[sys0.sysexe] > 1 > dns$cache.0000008023;1   dns$cache.0000029513;1a > dns$cache.version;29491  >  > Directory disk:[sys2.sysexe] > 1 > dns$cache.0000008014;1   dns$cache.0000029502;1m > dns$cache.version;29481h > / > My feeling is that between backup reading thea/ > file details from the indexf.sys and actuallyr3 > backing them up the dns clerk has already deletedf1 > the versions that the indexf.sys pointed to and-/ > replaced it with a new versions of the files.f > " > Is there a way I can avoid this? > H Your feeling is correct. I have one system in particular which produces F similar messages about once a fortnight. I don't worry about it, as a 8 quick scan of the backup logfile doesn't take very long.   ___s
 Paul Sture SwitzerlandP   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 09:41:42 +0200s0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> Subject: Re: Mail forwarding* Message-ID: <39E95FB6.DF8565EA@Easynet.fr>  
 Neo wrote: > J > I'm using the mail program under OpenVMS 7.2 (by typing mail at prompt).. > I've set a mail forwarding address by typing > MAIL> set forward xxx@xxx.comsM > I'd like to keep a local copy of all incoming mail on my account. How voulda
 > I do this ?a  " MAIL> set forward _NEO,xxx@xxx.com  A the (undocumented afaik) underscore character disable forwarding.s (said a few days ago here)   D. -- tF   --------------------------------------------------------------------F Le Pachacamac COMPAQ/DEC/APPLE 34 ave. G. Pompidou 81500 Lavaur FranceB    http://www.pachacamac.com   ** Une passion pour l'excellence **F Tl. : 05.63.58.58.63    Fax. : 05.63.58.58.33    GSM : 06.88.97.61.48   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:11:35 +0900d2 From: Mike Rechtman <michael.rechtman@digital.com> Subject: Re: Mail forwarding+ Message-ID: <39E982D6.36103486@digital.com>    MAIL> help set copy_self   SET-SHOW     COPY_SELFe  C        Sets the default for determining whether the SEND, REPLY, oroH        FORWARD commands return to the sender a copy of the message being        sent.  H        By specifying the NOSEND, NOREPLY, or NOFORWARD keywords with theH        SET COPY_SELF command, you can clear any default copying you have2        established with the SET COPY_SELF command.  G        The SHOW COPY_SELF command displays which commands (SEND, REPLY, C        or FORWARD) automatically send a copy of the message to you.o  
        Format   *          SET COPY_SELF  command [,command]            SHOW COPY_SELFu  1  
 Neo wrote: > J > I'm using the mail program under OpenVMS 7.2 (by typing mail at prompt).. > I've set a mail forwarding address by typing > MAIL> set forward xxx@xxx.comgM > I'd like to keep a local copy of all incoming mail on my account. How voulde
 > I do this ?n   -- eE ---------------------------------------------------------------------oE Usual disclaimer: All opinions are mine alone, perhaps not even that.p? Mike Rechtman                            *rechtman@tzora.co.il*tF Kibbutz Tzor'a.                          Voice (home): 972-2-9908337  B   "20% of a job takes 80% of the time, the rest takes another 80%"E ---------------------------------------------------------------------l -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----e Version: 3.1: GCM/CS d(-)pu s:+>:- a++ C++ U-- L-- W++ N++ K? w--- V+++$6 PS+ PE-- t 5? X- tv-- b+ DI+ D-- G e++ h--- r+++ y+++@ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------.   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2000 12:11:04 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)  Subject: Re: Mail forwarding! Message-ID: <Jq6L6U6rz4He@ludens>p  ] In article <39E95FB6.DF8565EA@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:a > Neo wrote: [...] N >> I'd like to keep a local copy of all incoming mail on my account. How vould >> I do this ?   I think you can't.   [...]r  A$ > MAIL> set forward _NEO,xxx@xxx.comL %CLI-W-NOLIST, list of parameter values not allowed - check use of comma (,) /_NEO,xxx@xxx.com/    A I remember there was a _bug_ in UCX's smtp_mailshr some years agoi, when there was possible duplicate an e-mail.  B Unless you use a special mailshr (such as DELIVER) you cannot make two e-mail from one.     > D. > --  H >   --------------------------------------------------------------------H > Le Pachacamac COMPAQ/DEC/APPLE 34 ave. G. Pompidou 81500 Lavaur France     Adam Maulis      Ps:c  G I think this is a security feature. Otherwise (when to duplicate e-mailR- is possible) imagine the following situation:-  < there (at least) three node, A.dom.com, B.dom.com, C.dom.com9 and a malicious user who has account both of these nodes.,9 for example: ted@a.dom.com, ted@b.dom.com, ted@c.dom.com    E - ted@a.dom.com has forwarding address "ted@b.dom.com, ted@c.dom.com"aE - ted@b.dom.com has forwarding address "ted@a.dom.com, ted@c.dom.com"eE - ted@c.dom.com has forwarding address "ted@b.dom.com, ted@a.dom.com"o  H When ted@a.dom.com got an e-mail, forwards b.dom.com and c.dot.com, etc.? The standard (smtp) mail loop detection works in 30th iteration ( so it will be 2^30 (1073741824) letters.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:56:16 +0000i- From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>  Subject: MUTEX Process- Message-ID: <39E9C590.217FD377@digitem.co.ma>u   Hello   / I have an OpenVMS (7.2) Alpha with ORACLE (7.3)r1 and some time , a MUTEX process (owned by Oracle)p* appear , and I can not STOP it (stop/id=). My  only solution is a reboot.7 Is there an other solution to STOP this process or some>- parameters to tune for abort this situation ?e Thaks    ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 11:46:18 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: MUTEX Process> Message-ID: <hshubs-51F683.11461815102000@news.mindspring.com>  ; In article <39E9C590.217FD377@digitem.co.ma>, ezzaoudi med 0! <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma> wrote:e  8 >Is there an other solution to STOP this process or some. >parameters to tune for abort this situation ?  . Find out what it's waiting for and provide it. -- e Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:53:33 GMTi= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e Subject: Re: MUTEX Process0 Message-ID: <009F1A27.01C805DD@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <39E9C590.217FD377@digitem.co.ma>, ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma> writes:e >Hello >t0 >I have an OpenVMS (7.2) Alpha with ORACLE (7.3)2 >and some time , a MUTEX process (owned by Oracle)+ >appear , and I can not STOP it (stop/id=).o >My  only solution is a reboot.u8 >Is there an other solution to STOP this process or some. >parameters to tune for abort this situation ? >Thaks  L I'd contact Oracle as this sounds like a bug.  However, if you can determineL the mutex that the process is awaiting to acquire, you might get a clue that4 will help you correct the problem without rebooting.  L Jump into SDA and SET PROCESS/INDEX=<n> (where n is the index of the processL in the mutex wait state).  Then FORMAT the PCB and look at the EFWM field toJ determine the resource which this process is awaiting.  The system addressL of the mutex the process is awaiting to acquire will be in the EFWM field ofL the PCB.  EXAMINE or EVALUATE this address to clue you in to the mutext that& this process is attempting to acquire.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMt            oO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.q   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 14:55:54 +0300e0 From: "Teijo Forsell" <teijo.forsell@compaq.com>" Subject: Re: No system password...6 Message-ID: <8sc61p$oj2$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  L Just to make it a little bit easier, here is a session output example of how> I just did it with my Charon-VAX -emulator evaluation software0 (http://www.charon-vax.com/) in my Intel Laptop:   Regards, Teijod     >>> b/1a     2..1..0..      SYSBOOT>  SET/STARTUP OPA0:n   SYSBOOT>  Ch  = %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping the SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Disk = %SYSBOOT-W-SYSBOOT Can not map SYSDUMP.DMP on the System Diski: %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT Mapping PAGEFILE.SYS on the System DiskI %SYSBOOT-I-SYSBOOT SAVEDUMP parameter not set to protect the PAGEFILE.SYSnL    OpenVMS (TM) VAX Version V7.1     Major version id = 1 Minor version id = 0l? %DECnet-I-LOADED, network base image loaded, version = 05.0C.00o
 $ set noon set noon $ spaw spaw( %DCL-S-SPAWNED, process SYSTEM_1 spawned: %DCL-S-ATTACHED, terminal now attached to process SYSTEM_1 $ @sys$system:startup K $!  Copyright (c) 1996 Digital Equipment Corporation.  All rights reserved.e  B %STDRV-I-STARTUP, OpenVMS startup begun at 15-OCT-2000 07:45:30.92  E The OpenVMS VAX system is now executing the system startup procedure.t .c .p {lot of output cut away) .E .H  J %SET-I-INTSET, login interactive limit = 64, current interactive value = 08   Process SYSTEM_1 logged out at 15-OCT-2000 07:48:22.49     Accounting information:nL   Buffered I/O count:            2812         Peak working set size:    1465L   Direct I/O count:               832         Peak page file size:     32817L   Page faults:                  33671         Mounted volumes:             0A   Charged CPU time:           0 00:02:10.98   Elapsed time:     0e 00:03:08.85s4 %DCL-S-RETURNED, control returned to process STARTUP $ mc authorize mc authorize% UAF> mod system/pass=system/nopwdexpitG %UAF-I-PWDLESSMIN, new password is shorter than minimum password lengthc8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  15-OCT-2000 07:49:17.77  %%%%%%%%%%%' Message from user AUDIT$SERVER on RAMPAvL Security alarm (SECURITY) and security audit (SECURITY) on RAMPA, system id: 654e8 Auditable event:          System UAF record modification1 Event time:               15-OCT-2000 07:49:17.70g" PID:                      00000103! Process name:             STARTUP   Username:                 SYSTEM" Process owner:            [SYSTEM] Terminal name:            OPA0: K Image name:               RAMPA$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSEXE]AUTHORIZE.EXE- Object class name:        FILE9 Object name:              SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE]SYSUAF.DAT;1o  User record:              SYSTEM  & %UAF-I-MDFYMSG, user record(s) updated	 UAF> exit 2 %UAF-I-DONEMSG, system authorization file modifiedA %UAF-I-NAFNOMODS, no modifications made to network proxy database:: %UAF-I-RDBNOMODS, no modifications made to rights database $ lo lo8   SYSTEM       job terminated at 15-OCT-2000 07:49:46.17     Accounting information: L   Buffered I/O count:              89         Peak working set size:     982L   Direct I/O count:                42         Peak page file size:      4777L   Page faults:                    651         Mounted volumes:             0A   Charged CPU time:           0 00:00:01.31   Elapsed time:     0s 00:05:34.43s  B         Welcome to OpenVMS (TM) VAX Operating System, Version V7.1   Username: system* Password: system (not displayed of course)#         Welcome to OpenVMS VAX V7.1D  9     Last interactive login on Thursday, 12-OCT-2000 15:24 ;     Last non-interactive login on Friday,  5-MAY-2000 10:26o RAMPA>   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:54:24 +0100c  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: nonfree Freeware-+ Message-ID: <VA.00000102.0884f720@sture.ch>2  @ In article <8rt6h9$6v8@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, David Mathog wrote:4 > From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsa > Subject: nonfree Freewared > Date: 9 Oct 2000 19:32:57 GMT  > X > Can somebody please explain to me why the freeware CDROM costs $25 from the estore??? 0 >                                           ^^^^Z >   http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&ObjectGroup_ID=790 > H > The real cost for shipping and handling a CD is not more than $3 - $4.J > Production costs, even for a small batch of CD's, should be no more than > two dollars. I > I > Anything much beyond that makes the CD a commercial product and clearlyg? > violates the licenses on most of the software on the disk.   o > C > Anybody at Compaq care to explain where the extra $20 is going???  > V Hah! You should be so lucky. I can't even order it (from the web at least), since I'm 0 outside the US. (This aimed at Compaq, not you).   <rant>T The last time I wanted to order something from the US, the idiot concerned wanted a ' minimum $50 shipping charge for Europe./  V The cheeky bastard was selling some of my ideas / hints / tips, without accreditation [ (just a "thanks to so and so for this contribution" would have been sufficient), and still y' would not budge on the shipping charge.r  [ Sorry, and I would not wish this on anybody, but I laughed my socks off when he was caught n9 by a credit card scam to the tune of $50K worth of goods.h </rant>i  R Back to the subject, you do have a point. My first stab at Linux cost $20, with a  comprehensive book and 2 CDs.e ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerlandh   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:22:07 -0500M7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>a Subject: Re: nonfree Freewareo- Message-ID: <39E9E7BE.80FD9C24@earthlink.net>e   David Mathog wrote:< > W > Can somebody please explain to me why the freeware CDROM costs $25 from the estore???-  E You may have missed the obvious point: freeWARE, not free media, freeuD recording, free mass-production, free handling, free store services, free shipping...  ' The content is "free". The rest is not.s  H Remember also that the stuff you download freely is free of charge, your access to the internet is not.  H "Free" is question of degree, and, to some degree, a matter of paradigm.   --   David J. Dachterad dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.b   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 02:19:01 -0700d1 From: Vance Haemmerle <vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US> 2 Subject: Re: Support of JDK 1.2 on OpenVMS AXP 7.12 Message-ID: <39E91415.7A59C48@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.US>   Richard Brodie wrote:s > a > "Bob Koehler" <koehler@eisner.decus.org> wrote in message news:SNYatOarboZH@eisner.decus.org...s > J > >    There are a couple of patches needed to run.  These patches are notJ > >    yet available on older versions of VMS, but Compaq has committed to; > >    making the kit available on a couple older versions.6 > L > That's the heart of the problem: when JDK 1.2 was beta, less than a coupleD > of weeks ago, the web page stated that the patches needed would beO > retrofitted to earlier versions for the final kit. Now the kit has gone finale" > it just says 'upgrade to 7.2-1'.  0    The J2SDK V1.2.2-1 Final Kit release notes at  W http://www.digital.com/java/documentation/1.2.2/ovms/docs/JDK122_VMS_RELEASE_NOTES.HTML.   say:  / The prerequisites for installing this kit are: c  S      OpenVMS Alpha Version 7.2-1 or higher. We expect to support additional OpenVMS-@      Alpha versions in the future. See Mandatory Patches below. <      Digital TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V4.1 6      DECWindows Motif V1.2-4, if you plan on AWT use.       Mandatory Patches 3    K   So I expect they are still working on it and will still come out with the : patches necessary to get 1.2.2 to work on V7.1-2 at least.   -- Vance Haemmerle1 vance@toyvax.Tucson.AZ.USo   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:58:41 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCf8 Message-ID: <to6juscmpkujank8qimbfb2qrag7oe9imi@4ax.com>  C On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:16:21 +0010, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aue wrote:   >John Laird wrote: >-B >> I presume Zulu time is not politically correct any longer ? ;-) >iN >I'm not sure (if you mean the word Zulu itself -- what is Zulu time?) why it O >should not be correct.  The Zulus were/are a mighty and proud nation (from my  R >reading of history), so I cannot see why that should be deemed derogatory as are  >considered black/nigger, etc.  @ Zulu time is used by aircraft, mostly (as they have the greatest= difficulty with time zones).  It is GMT, as you might expect.t  H It may not be derogatory, but there is still an ethnic slant, and as theB world clearly didn't want to carry on referring to a small part ofE South-East London, I'd presumed they would not be very happy with thei Z-word either ;-)    	Johnt -- a
 John Laird   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 15:05:59 +0100i  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCn+ Message-ID: <VA.00000106.09d927b7@sture.ch>a  J In article <to6juscmpkujank8qimbfb2qrag7oe9imi@4ax.com>, John Laird wrote:6 > From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsM > Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCn' > Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 12:58:41 +0100s > E > On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 19:16:21 +0010, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aua > wrote: >  > >John Laird wrote: > >aD > >> I presume Zulu time is not politically correct any longer ? ;-) > > P > >I'm not sure (if you mean the word Zulu itself -- what is Zulu time?) why it Q > >should not be correct.  The Zulus were/are a mighty and proud nation (from my dT > >reading of history), so I cannot see why that should be deemed derogatory as are   > >considered black/nigger, etc. > B > Zulu time is used by aircraft, mostly (as they have the greatest? > difficulty with time zones).  It is GMT, as you might expect.. > J > It may not be derogatory, but there is still an ethnic slant, and as theD > world clearly didn't want to carry on referring to a small part ofG > South-East London, I'd presumed they would not be very happy with them > Z-word either ;-)a > B Aw c'mon. Let's see which others out of the list we ought to kill:  U Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, aU Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey,   X-ray, Yankee, Zulu.  R By similar reasoning, there go India, Lima, Quebec, Yankee as well. I dunno about * Sierra. Overdominated by male names too...   Gimme a break. ___e
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2000 00:45:11 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com>8 Subject: Re: Thinking of switching from Multinet to UCX.- Message-ID: <86lmvq35vc.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>   2 "Mike Flaherty" <mflaherty2@earthlink.net> writes:  L > Now I know that Multinet is a great product as far as third party productsM > go.  However, it is still a third party product and and it will always havegM > to assimilate to Compaq's code which means it will always be a step behind.mN > Again, I can live with this if Compaq is still going to charge me seperatelyK > (more $$) for UCX but what is going to happen when Compaq does bundle UCXnL > with VMS.  Will Process dump Multinet like they did with Purveyor (anotherG > great Process Software product that we had to find a substitute for)?   > 	Why would Process want to drop MultiNet? What would they have left?e  ? 	As far as MultiNet being a step behind UCX, you have got to be-E kidding. Oh, I suppose MultiNet is a step behind in being bug for bug:D compatible with UCX, but feature-wise, even allowing for stuff added+ to UCX over the years, MultiNet still wins.y  A 	And finally, UCX -is- bundled with new systems these days. Heck,-F schools used to get UCX for free, and yet they still paid us money for	 MultiNet.    	Anyway... just my $0.02.    -jav (former TGV freak)u   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2000 00:57:08 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com>7 Subject: Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMSn- Message-ID: <86hf6e35bf.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>h  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:e  O > I agree entirely with the comments that the TCPIP stacks as well as messaginghI > should be consolidated into a single standard built-in product for VMS.i > N > However, if Compaq is to provide TCPIP Services bundled with the OS, I wouldO > be happy with this as it would be as standard as one can get, and if one shopfO > decides to buy a different stack, then so be it. But from a programming point-/ > of view, there should be only a single stack.P > N > It is bad enough to get some software to be ported to VMS, but when not onlyL > must the port deal with VMS, but also with a gazillion TCPIP stacks in the& > compile, it becomes a real headache.  6 	So, promote the use of NETLIB to use as a single API,9 and let NETLIB worry about interfacing with the IP stack.   2 	For info on NETLIB, go to http://www.madgoat.com/   -jav   ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2000 01:02:27 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com> Subject: Re: VMS ISP?m- Message-ID: <86g0ly352k.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>"  + leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) writes:m  ( > Bill Hobbs (hobbsb@my-deja.com) wrote:B > : Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local) > @ > There's fsi.net in Chicago. There was one in Houston. iah.com,3 > but it may have closed due to the owner's health.  > & > Also, the old Prodigy was VMS-based. > D > : If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at a= > : disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be a 2 > : disadvantage, but are there technical reasons? > F > No technical reasons, unless you count earlier versions of UCX, aka B > Digital TCP/IP services for OpenVMS. But there were alternatives > such as Multinet and TCPware.i  = 	In fact, the patch to MultiNet 3.5something that allowed for,D 500 PD interfaces was released at the request of an ISP which needed> more than the 10 originally supporte PD interfaces for virtual webhosting.e   -jav (former TGV freak)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 08:54:24 +0100.  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>* Subject: VT100 history, manuals etc online+ Message-ID: <VA.00000101.0884f590@sture.ch>   G Here's a goody folks. Not only is there a history of VT terminals, but n& the VT220 Programmer Reference Manual.   See it at http://www.vt100.org/- ___-
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------    Date: 15 Oct 2000 00:49:33 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com>- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??S- Message-ID: <86itqu35o2.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>i  / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:a   >  > Phillip Helbig wrote: > > > Note that clustering per se has NOTHING TO DO WITH DECNET. > I > But many tools commonly used to manage a cluster still rely on DECNET.  P > Although Monitor can now be coaxed into using TCPP instead of DECNET, but what > about SYSMAN ?  ( 	SYSMAN doesn't use DECnet, it uses SCS.   -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 13:55:26 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??l+ Message-ID: <VA.00000105.099892cd@sture.ch>   E In article <86itqu35o2.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>, Javier Henderson wrote:o* > From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsW/ > Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??c" > Date: 15 Oct 2000 00:49:33 -0700 > 1 > JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:b >  > >  > > Phillip Helbig wrote:M@ > > > Note that clustering per se has NOTHING TO DO WITH DECNET. > > K > > But many tools commonly used to manage a cluster still rely on DECNET. rR > > Although Monitor can now be coaxed into using TCPP instead of DECNET, but what > > about SYSMAN ? > * >  SYSMAN doesn't use DECnet, it uses SCS. > Q Coincidentally, I was just scanning though the V6.2 Release Notes the other day, iS and there was the announcement that of that release, DECnet was no longer required @ for a cluster.   ___.
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.577 ************************