1 INFO-VAX	Mon, 16 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 579       Contents: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.  Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe. B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?G Anybody else on V7.1-2 having problems after installing recent patches?  best way of deleting files?  Re: best way of deleting files?  Re: best way of deleting files?  Re: best way of deleting files?  Re: best way of deleting files?  Re: best way of deleting files?  Re: best way of deleting files? 7 Re: C error message, what the heck is it talking about? ) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 ( Re: Compaq Sollutions Alliance - OpenVMS RE: DEC Rescue ?# Re: DECnet Support Statement, Plans  DSN P Earn $50,000 in 90 Days! It Really Works!  It worked so well the firsttime, I'm 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... & Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line" Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirements" Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirements" Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirements# Re: Galaxy/clustering requirements? # Re: Galaxy/clustering requirements? 4 Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS  Re: Hobby VMS license....  Re: Hobby VMS license....  Re: How to read "SHOW MEM" HSC 50 Question  HSZ50 error  Re: HSZ50 error  Re: html on vms  Re: html on vms  Re: html on vms  I need assistance for ThreadCP: Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster? Re: IP Address Extraction  Re: IP Address Extraction  Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms  Re: Java on Openvms ( loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11, Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11 Re: Mail forwarding $ Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure$ Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure$ Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure$ Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure MOZILLA M18 crashes  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes  Re: MUTEX Process  Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.  Need help on License questions Re: Newbie DEBUGger question Re: Newbie DEBUGger question Re: Newbie DEBUGger question
 OpenVMS + SAP  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  OpenVMS System Login Question ! RE: OpenVMS System Login Question  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: pthread and 7.3  read logicals on another node ! Re: read logicals on another node ! Re: read logicals on another node ! RE: read logicals on another node ! Re: read logicals on another node ! Re: read logicals on another node  Strange installation abort Re: Strange installation abort) SUMMARY:  installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ? ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist " Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile Trouble getting RA82 to work... # Re: Trouble getting RA82 to work...  Very long filenames in VMSTAR ! Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR ! Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR  Re: VMS ISP? Re: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpc1 VMS Perl v5.6.0 problem with non-StreamLF files?? 
 VMS V7.2-1 Re: VMS V7.2-1 Re: VMS V7.2-1 Re: VMS V7.2-1( Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch( Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch( Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch% Re: VT100 history, manuals etc online 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)  Re: WebLogic application server $ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:51:26 +0000  From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.' Message-ID: <39EB320E.EB8789EF@fsi.net>    BMcN wrote:  > F > Hey! WWEBB1@email.usps.gov (WILLIAM WEBB) you went and wrote messageJ > <0033000006375607000002L072*@MHS> and forced me to type some nonsense in
 > response...  >  > <snip> > >-- 0 > >The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (') > > 	 > >- F.Z.  > > < > >       Hehehe.  'Is that a REAL Alpha, or a SEARS Alpha?' > >  > >       WWWebb > >  > K > I was going to use the following as a sig, but how would I attribute it??  > 4 > "I'm vile and pernicious, but you can't look away.? >  I'll make you think I'm delicious with the stuff that I say. 5 >  I'm the best you can get, have you guessed me yet? 1 >  I'm the slime oozing out of the newsfeed net."  > # > But how would I attibute that? ;)    Andrew Harrison?   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:40:46 GMT- From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet-DOT.-be (BMcN) & Subject: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.+ Message-ID: <8FCFC0314BMcN@212.100.160.123>   G Hey! djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson (SysAdmin) you went and wrote message B <39EB320E.EB8789EF@fsi.net> and forced me to type some nonsense in response...    <snip>  G >> I was going to use the following as a sig, but how would I attribute  >> it??  >>  5 >> "I'm vile and pernicious, but you can't look away. @ >>  I'll make you think I'm delicious with the stuff that I say.6 >>  I'm the best you can get, have you guessed me yet?2 >>  I'm the slime oozing out of the newsfeed net." >>  $ >> But how would I attibute that? ;) >  >Andrew Harrison?  >   ' Excuse the ignorance, but . . . Who he?  --  + Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be   - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')  - F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:09:00 -0500 - From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? 1 Message-ID: <39EB0BFC.FC7373D1@email.sps.mot.com>   $ Didn't notice that before. Not good!   Bruce    Peter Weaver wrote:  > < > "Bruce Vinson" <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> wrote in message- > news:39E7201E.80E84AAF@email.sps.mot.com... L > > I can't help with the problem, but we are running a cluster of ES40's onH > > VMS 7.2-1 with those ECOs installed, and have not seen any problems, > > bugchecks or otherwise.  > J > Try doing a SHOW SYSTEM/FULL and see if every uic shows as [0,0]. If youG > remove DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V6.0 then the UIC will be correct again.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:42:00 -0400   From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comP Subject: Anybody else on V7.1-2 having problems after installing recent patches?4 Message-ID: <C225697A.005B11F1.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  > Recently Installed VMS_712_SYS_v0100 and VMS_712_IPC_v0100 andE on of my applications is now having problems with mailboxes and qiows * and, I think, interprocess communications.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:14:14 +1300 9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> $ Subject: best way of deleting files?2 Message-ID: <kGyG5.39675$O7.494113@ozemail.com.au>   Hi,   K I noticed during my deleting of files, that the delete command seem to make  two passes of the J disk. I was hoping it would do it all in one go. Is there a better command than:   ' del/log dsa6:[*...]*.log;*,*.msaf$cat;*        cheers   antony   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:27:17 GMT / From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> ( Subject: Re: best way of deleting files?) Message-ID: <8sel63$3pg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G If there are a large number of versions you are better  doing a dir out E to a files (with/siz to get it 1 file per line) and getting a command D procedure to delete each file in ascending version number sequence -B this stops it rearranging the directory for every file apparently.  C I'm not sure if  using any alphabetic sequence helps - any one else  know??  + Hope this helps - sorry if you already know    Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:28:26 GMT . From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>( Subject: Re: best way of deleting files?/ Message-ID: <39EAE5DB.B30DE86A@nc.prestige.net>   , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------1D83E269336E90D8DDA6C02B* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   K  If you want to get all the files with one filename per line use any one of -                                the following:   $  $DIR/COL=1  ...    !(filename only)K $dir/nohead/notrail  !(full filespec w/one filename per line and if you use G /out=<file>  then you don't need to edit the result file or worry about , which line the actual filenames start on...)     Michael Austin DBA Consultant     Mike Price wrote:   I > If there are a large number of versions you are better  doing a dir out G > to a files (with/siz to get it 1 file per line) and getting a command F > procedure to delete each file in ascending version number sequence -D > this stops it rearranging the directory for every file apparently. > E > I'm not sure if  using any alphabetic sequence helps - any one else  > know?? > - > Hope this helps - sorry if you already know  >  > Mike > --D > All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
 > employer > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.   & --------------1D83E269336E90D8DDA6C02B- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="maustin.vcf"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit , Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"    begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael   tel;work:704-947-1089  x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc 
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1 + email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com  title:President  x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcard   ( --------------1D83E269336E90D8DDA6C02B--   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:56:14 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>( Subject: Re: best way of deleting files?) Message-ID: <8sf1dr$d67$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   2 In article <kGyG5.39675$O7.494113@ozemail.com.au>,<   "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> wrote: > Hi,  > E > I noticed during my deleting of files, that the delete command seem  to make  > two passes of the D > disk. I was hoping it would do it all in one go. Is there a better command  > than:  > ) > del/log dsa6:[*...]*.log;*,*.msaf$cat;*  >    No; that is how DELETE works.    To do it in one pass,    $ DIREC/NOHEAD/NOTRAI/OUT=A.TMP  $ SORT A.TMP B.COM  7 Then prepend $ DELETE to each line in B.COM and run it.    -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)  dellnet.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:02:15 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>( Subject: Re: best way of deleting files?) Message-ID: <8sf1p3$did$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ) In article <8sf1dr$d67$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, -   Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> wrote: 4 > In article <kGyG5.39675$O7.494113@ozemail.com.au>,> >   "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> wrote: > > Hi,  > > G > > I noticed during my deleting of files, that the delete command seem 	 > to make  > > two passes of the F > > disk. I was hoping it would do it all in one go. Is there a better	 > command 	 > > than:  > > + > > del/log dsa6:[*...]*.log;*,*.msaf$cat;*  > >  >  > No; that is how DELETE works.  >  > To do it in one pass,  > ! > $ DIREC/NOHEAD/NOTRAI/OUT=A.TMP    Oops. Make that   ? $ DIREC/NOHEAD/NOTRAI/OUT=A.TMP dsa6:[*...]*.log;*,*.msaf$cat;*    > $ SORT A.TMP B.COM > 9 > Then prepend $ DELETE to each line in B.COM and run it.  >  > -- > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldman 
 > alan48  &-) 
 > dellnet.com  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >    -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)  dellnet.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:36:13 GMT * From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>( Subject: Re: best way of deleting files?) Message-ID: <8sf3os$fal$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ) In article <8sf1p3$did$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, -   Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> wrote: + > In article <8sf1dr$d67$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, / >   Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> wrote: 6 > > In article <kGyG5.39675$O7.494113@ozemail.com.au>,@ > >   "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> wrote:	 > > > Hi,  > > > D > > > I noticed during my deleting of files, that the delete command seem > > to make  > > > two passes of the H > > > disk. I was hoping it would do it all in one go. Is there a better > > command  > > > than:  > > > - > > > del/log dsa6:[*...]*.log;*,*.msaf$cat;*  > > >  > > ! > > No; that is how DELETE works.  > >  > > To do it in one pass,  > > # > > $ DIREC/NOHEAD/NOTRAI/OUT=A.TMP  >  > Oops. Make that  > A > $ DIREC/NOHEAD/NOTRAI/OUT=A.TMP dsa6:[*...]*.log;*,*.msaf$cat;*  >  > > $ SORT A.TMP B.COM > > ; > > Then prepend $ DELETE to each line in B.COM and run it.   F I don't claim that this will run any faster; it will just do it in oneF pass. Well, not really in one pass, but it will do it in the order you' wanted. But it will probably be slower.   F I don't think it's worth it to look for an alternative unless you want to write your own DELETE.EXE.      --, Programmers do it using Al Gore Rhythms. (!)3 NOBODY FOR PRESIDENT. IF NOBODY WINS, NOBODY LOSES! B Not to be construed as an endorsement for anyone, not even NOBODY.   Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)  dellnet.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:52:12 +0000  From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> ( Subject: Re: best way of deleting files?' Message-ID: <39EB404C.A03883AA@fsi.net>    Antony Wardle wrote: >  > Hi,  > M > I noticed during my deleting of files, that the delete command seem to make  > two passes of the L > disk. I was hoping it would do it all in one go. Is there a better command > than:  > ) > del/log dsa6:[*...]*.log;*,*.msaf$cat;*   F DELETE uses the typical VMS mechanisms for wildcard filespec. matches.F Further, it processes each element of the filespec. list individually./ Hence, you see the behavior you have witnessed.   H To try to change this, you'd likely end up rewriting a good chunk of theG underpinnings of all the wild-carded filespec. matching code that makes ) commands, programs and RTL routines work.   5 Do you *REALLY* want to re-invent *THAT* many wheels?    David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:26:25 -0000 % From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) @ Subject: Re: C error message, what the heck is it talking about?/ Message-ID: <sulie1pp7nap2d@news.supernews.com>   3 David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote: + > Compaq C V6.2-007 on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2-1   $ > Here's one I have not seen before: >   Q > $ CC/STANDARD=ANSI89/PREFIX=ALL/DEFINE=ONEDOT/WARN=(ENABLE=ALL,verbose) seqio.c  > ! >    while ((i=getc(ifp))!='\n');  >   ...........^L >   %CC-I-VALUEPRES, In this statement, the conversion of the unsigned char/G >   short value "(*ifp)->_flag" to signed int shows one example of this L >   program's use of value-preserving integral promotion.  This differs fromA >   the unsigned-preserving semantics of some older C compilers.  J >   at line number 49 in file PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.TMAP.TMAP]SEQIO.C;8 > H > but "i" is an int, and getc() is supposed to return an int too. But itK > doesn't - it returns either an unsigned char or a short. Why doesn't this H > rock standard function return the type of value it is supposed to????  >  > The code works though.  ? Sure it works.  You asked the compiler to pick nits, so it did, = but that had nothing to do with the object code it generated.   A Then again, the complaint has nothing to do with "i" or the value > being returned by getc() either:  there is no getc() function.# It is a macro defined in stdio.h as    #define getc(__fp) ((*__fp) ? \ :     (((((*__fp)->_cnt > 0) & !((*__fp)->_flag & 0x40)) ? \G     ((*__fp)->_cnt--, ((int) ((unsigned char) *((*__fp)->_ptr++)))) : \ "     (getc)(__fp))) : (getc)(__fp))  C and what the compiler doesn't like is that the unsigned char membernF "_flag" is being compared to an integer constant.  Casting it to (int)H prevents the message, although editing stdio.h is admittedly a bit much.  A Solution?  "Don't do that."  The header bundled with the compilernE should have been written differently, but remember you are nitpickings7 here so don't be too surprised when it finds something.e   ok dpm  --  3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/g- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.com C                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)tC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:Murphy_DavidP@emc.com        (work)p   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:49:37 +0000e From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>i2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0' Message-ID: <39EB31A1.DD932ECC@fsi.net>t   Sue Skonetski wrote: > 8 > Folks you may find the information in this URL useful. > M > http://www5.compaq.com/products/servers/management/cim-xe2-description.html  >  > This is new today.   Sue, et al,   D First, I realize, Sue, that the problems of neither the page nor theH product are in any way your doing. I appreciate your taking our comments back to the appropriate people.a  H Second, as of today, 16-Oct-2000 at 11:50 (a.m.) CDT/US, the contents ofD this page are still missing in action, lurking somewhere in the Page Source View.   David J. Dachterae   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 08:36:31 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)i1 Subject: Re: Compaq Sollutions Alliance - OpenVMSa+ Message-ID: <kLMbdoDLQjFS@eisner.decus.org>o  N In article <WfxSn49j3$gi@flying>, abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie) writes:  ; > I protested that the reason I had been brought to her wase: > to convince me that it was worthwhile to join CSA.   She; > replied that it was up to *me* to decide that I wanted toA6 > partner with Compaq, NOT for them to recruit me.   I= > suggested that this was the wrong attitude, and she repliede= > that *I* had the wrong attitude.   I turned on my heel and E> > walked out.   If this is the way CSA recruits ISV's, I don't > want any part of it.   Alan,s  A You need to try writing them a letter to _really_ understand whatn it means to be ignored.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:28:10 +0200d6 From: "Dijk, Jeroen van" <Jeroen.vandijk@getronics.nl> Subject: RE: DEC Rescue ? M Message-ID: <2795B75EF003D311801A00A0C906B511A2AEC7@cucexec.gbc.getronics.nl>e  X If you just try http://www.decvax.org/ then you get a clue what happened with that list.  P There are still systems being 'rescued', but it looks like the maillist is gone.     -----Original Message-----8 From: Greenwoodde@ornl.gov [mailto:Greenwoodde@ornl.gov]' Sent: donderdag 28 september 2000 23:34s To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp Subject: Re: DEC Rescue ?     , "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> wrote: >    >  r > Didier Morandi wrote:k > >  > > Mike Kenzie wrote: > > > 6 > > > Does anyone know what has happened to this list? > > >VN > > > I have a VAXstation in Ottawa I'm trying to get running again and need a > > > monitor. > > F > > You know why you have no replies ? :-) Because the question is not@ > > clear. Where is the link between this list and your problem? > >  >  mG > I think he means that there was a mailing list called something along D > the lines of DEC-RESCUE. It was supposed to be a way of connectingF > people disposing of DEC kit with people looking to acquire such kit. >  -? > Sadly I've lost my bookmark to the site that hosted the list.e  H Here's the original announcement about that list, never tried it myself:  ) > From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@mrbill.net>  > Date: 17-JUN-2000  01:10:38 1 > Subj: ANNOUNCEMENT: The DEC-rescue mailing listL > C > This is to announce the existence of the DEC-rescue mailing list, D > dedicated to keeping DEC hardware (of any type, but mainly PDP andC > VAX stuff) out of the hands of scrappers, trashers, and the DUMP!F > D > I know we all hate to see good hardware go to the scrap yard or be > sold off by the pound. > B > I run another list of this type (rescue@sunhelp.org) for fans of1 > Sun hardware, and it has been quite successful.o > - > For more info about the DECrescue list, seec) > http://www.decvax.org/mailman/listinfo/e > 	 > Thanks.e >  > Bill >  > --, > +--------------------+-------------------+, > |   Bill Bradford    |   Austin, Texas   |, > +--------------------+-------------------+, > | mrbill@sunhelp.org | mrbill@mrbill.net |. > +--------------------+-------------------+>    Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOV0H Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:37:03 GMT + From: tom@automatedtech.com (Tom Hickerson)t, Subject: Re: DECnet Support Statement, Plans4 Message-ID: <39eb3b93.248714262@news.mindspring.com>  L > > We are working with the internal Compaq networking organization on theirF > transition from a DECnet environment to a DECnet over TCP/IP networkF > environment.  This is an initiative of the Compaq orgranization thatK > manages the Compaq worldwide network; OSSG (the product group) is workinguI > to ensure the DECnet-Plus product and the DECnet over TCP/IP capability D > support the networking requirements of the internal Compaq network > organization.  >e  D I hope they have better luck with the memory leaks than we have had.A Then again maybe they'll be running on machines with memories so l$ large they never notice the problem.  
 Tom Hickersona tom@automatedtech.comn   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:02:48 +0200B From: "h" <zmz@mh.nl>a Subject: DSN, Message-ID: <8se94q$9cc$1@porthos.nl.uu.net>   Hello,  K We're using DSN for a long time, but since last week i've got the followingE error: -------  Remote server responding' --- DsnTransport::MODEMERR, Modem error   8 - DsnModem::LINK_FAILURE, Data link heartbeat is stopped  2 %CMA-F-IN_USE, object referenced is already in use      ' Who can help me to solve this problem??    Regards Martin   email: zmz@mh.nl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 19:57:40 +0200l From: sst@bemberg.deY Subject: Earn $50,000 in 90 Days! It Really Works!  It worked so well the firsttime, I'm 2B Message-ID: <OFBCF3A876.75C36882-ONC1256979.0062AA10@panasonic.cz>  
 Dear Friend, 7  9 You can earn $50,000 or more in next the 90 days sending s7 e-mail. Seem impossible? Read on for details; is there m: a catch; NO, there is no catch, just send your emails and % be on your way to financial freedom. t  ! "AS SEEN ON NATIONAL TELEVISION" m  & Thank you for your time and Interest. 9 This is the letter you've been reading about in the news   lately.   6 Due to the popularity of this letter on the Internet, 1 a major nightly news program recently devoted an  : entire show to the investigation of the program described 2 below to see, if it really can make people money.   : The show also investigated whether or not the program was  legal. o7 Their findings proved once and for all that there are, e8 absolutely no laws prohibiting the participation in the 7 program. This has helped to show people that this is a e9 simple, harmless and fun way to make some extra money at i home.   5 The results of this show have been truly remarkable. n5 So many people are participating that those involved g) are doing, much better than ever before. e5 Since everyone makes more as more people try it out, '/ its been very exciting to be a part of lately. s, You will understand once you experience it.    "HERE IT IS BELOW" o  1 ================================================ c, *** Print This Now For Future Reference ***   3 The following income opportunity is one you may be  7 interested in taking a look at. It can be started with 0> VERY LITTLE investment and the income return is TREMENDOUS!!!   5 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ E  ; If you would like to make at least $50,000 in less than 90 e days! 9 Please read the enclosed program...THEN READ IT AGAIN!!! y  5 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ n  7 THIS IS A LEGITIMATE, LEGAL, MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. n  : It does not require you to come into contact with people, 5 do any hard work, and best of all, you never have to  < leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe that ; someday you'll get that big break that you've been waiting r for, THIS IS IT!  5 Simply follow the instructions, and your dreams will   come true. t6 This Multi-level e-mail order marketing program works ; perfectly 100% EVERY TIME. E-mail is the sales tool of the u< future. Take advantage of this non-commercialized method of  advertising NOW! r  < The longer you wait, the more people will be doing business 0 using e-mail. Get your piece of this action !!!   / MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING (MLM) has finally gained g respectability. 3 It is being taught in the Harvard Business School, i7 and both Stanford Research and the Wall Street Journal  6 have stated that between 50% and 65% of all goods and 9 services will be sold through multi-level methods by the d mid to late 1990's. 3 This is a Multi-Billion Dollar industry and of the t; 500,000 millionaires in the U.S., 20% (100,000) made their f4 fortune in the last several years in MLM. Moreover, 6 statistics show 45people become millionaires everyday  through Multi-Level Marketing.    : You may have heard this story before, but over the summer 7 Donald Trump made an appearance on the David Letterman  < show. Dave asked him what he would do if he lost everything 8 and had to start over from scratch. Without hesitating, : Trump said he would find a good network marketing company  and get to work. -* The audience started to hoot and boo him. 2 He looked out at the audience and dead-panned his 9 response "That's why I'm sitting up here and you are all 6 sitting out there!"   7 With network marketing you have two sources of income. t  4 Direct commissions from sales you make yourself and ; commissions from sales made by people you introduce to the  
 business.   . Residual income is the secret of the wealthy. 7 It means investing time or money once and getting paid t1 again and again and again. In network marketing, l3 it also means getting paid for the work of others. s  3 The enclosed information is something I almost let U7 slip through my fingers. Fortunately, sometime later I e: re-read everything and gave some thought and study to it.   / My name is Jonathan Rourke. Two years ago, the v2 corporation I worked at for the past twelve years 1 down-sized and my position was eliminated. After c6 unproductive job interviews, I decided to open my own 9 business. Over the past year, I incurred many unforeseen -2 financial problems. I owed my family, friends and / creditors over $35,000. The economy was taking a< a toll on my business and I just couldn't seem to make ends  meet. < I had to refinance and borrow against my home to support my 9 family and struggling business. AT THAT MOMENT something i: significant happened in my life and I am writing to share 8 the experience in hopes that this will change your life  FOREVER FINANCIALLY!!!    5 In mid December, I received this program via e-mail. .- Six month's prior to receiving this program, i3 I had been sending away for information on various  ; business opportunities. All of the programs I received, in  : my opinion, were not cost effective. They were either too 9 difficult for me to comprehend or the initial investment e> was too much for me to risk to see if they would work or not. ? One claimed that I would make a million dollars in one year... D7 it didn't tell me I'd have to write a book to make it! -  6 But like I was saying, in December of 1997 I received 3 this program. I didn't send for it, or ask for it, e0 they just got my name off a mailing list. THANK  GOODNESS FOR THAT !!! ; After reading it several times, to make sure I was reading u* it correctly, I couldn't believe my eyes.   $ Here was a MONEY MAKING PHENOMENON.   - I could invest as much as I wanted to start, l& without putting me further into debt. 3 After I got a pencil and paper and figured it out,  $ I would at least get my money back. 4 But like most of you I was still a little skeptical 8 and a little worried about the legal aspects of it all. . So I checked it out with the U.S. Post Office 6 (1-800-725-2161 24-hrs) and they confirmed that it is  indeed legal! 2 After determining the program was LEGAL and NOT A # CHAIN LETTER, I decided "WHY NOT." I  % Initially I sent out 10,000 e-mails. n* It cost me about $15 for my time on-line. 6 The great thing about e-mail is that I don't need any , money for printing to send out the program, 7 and because all of my orders are fulfilled via e-mail, e6 the only expense is my time. I am telling you like it : is, I hope it doesn't turn you off, but I promised myself < that I would not "rip-off" anyone, no matter how much money  it cost me.   1 In less than one week, I was starting to receive o7 orders for REPORT #1. By January 13, I had received 26   orders d; for REPORT #1. Your goal is to "RECEIVE at least 20 ORDERS h: FOR REPORT #1 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. IF YOU DON'T, SEND OUT MORE  PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO!" 8 My first step in making $50,000 in 90 days was done. By 5 January 30, I had received 196 orders for REPORT #2.  2 Your goal is to "RECEIVE AT LEAST 100+ ORDERS FOR  REPORT #2 WITHIN 2 WEEKS. 6 IF NOT, SEND OUT MORE PROGRAMS UNTIL YOU DO. ONCE YOU 8 HAVE 100 ORDERS, THE REST IS EASY, RELAX, YOU WILL MAKE  YOUR $50,000 GOAL." 5 Well, I had 196 orders for REPORT #2, 96 more than I  5 needed. So I sat back and relaxed. By March 1, of my a9 e-mailing of 10,000, I received $58,000 with more coming t in every day. 5 I paid off ALL my debts and bought a much needed new i car. i/ Please take time to read the attached program,  . IT WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER!!! Remember, ; it won't work if you don't try it. This program does work,    but you must follow it EXACTLY! 6 Especially the rules of not trying to place your name : in a different place. It won't work, you'll lose out on a  lot of money! 6 In order for this program to work, you must meet your 6 goal of 20+ orders for REPORT #1, and 100+ orders for 8 REPORT #2 and you will make $50,000 or more in 90 days. # I AM LIVING PROOF THAT IT WORKS!!! e  7 If you choose not to participate in this program, I am  < sorry. It really is a great opportunity with little cost or 6 risk to you. If you choose to participate, follow the ; program and you will be on your way to financial security. d  8 If you are a fellow business owner and are if financial < trouble like I was, or you want to start your own business,  consider this a sign. I DID! s Sincerely, t   Jonathan Rourke   - PS Do you have any idea what 11,700 $5 bills e6 ($58,000) look like piled up on a kitchen table? IT'S 	 AWESOME! I  5 A PERSONAL NOTE FROM THE ORIGINATOR OF THIS PROGRAM:    3 By the time you have read the enclosed program and  8 reports, you should have concluded that such a program, 9 and one that is legal, could not have been created by an e	 amateur.    / Let me tell you a little about myself. I had a e; profitable business for 10 years. Then in 1979 my business n9 began falling off. I was doing the same things that were t5 previously successful for me, but it wasn't working. M= Finally, I figured it out. It wasn't me, it was the economy. oA Inflation and recession had replaced the stable economy that had e been with us since 1945. n. I don't have to tell you what happened to the 8 unemployment rate...because many of you know from first  hand experience. o< There were more failures and bankruptcies than ever before.     9 The middle class was vanishing. Those who knew what they n< were doing invested wisely and moved up. Those who did not, : including those who never had anything to save or invest, ; were moving down into the ranks of the poor. As the saying f goes, / "THE RICH GET RICHER AND THE POOR GET POORER." >9 The traditional methods of making money will never allow  < you to "move up" or "get rich", inflation will see to that.     5 You have just received information that can give you s< financial freedom for the rest of your life, with "NO RISK" # and "JUST A LITTLE BIT OF EFFORT." s4 You can make more money in the next few months than  you have ever imagined.   7 I should also point out that I will not see a penny of u; this money, nor anyone else who has provided a testimonial k5 for this program. I have already made over 4 MILLION t	 DOLLARS! k7 I have retired from the program after sending out over o; 16,000 programs. Now I have several offices that make this  / and several other programs here and over seas.    1 Follow the program EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. Do not y9 change it in any way. It works exceedingly well as it is -: now. Remember to e-mail a copy of this exciting report to ; everyone you can think of. One of the people you send this V; to may send out 50,000...and your name will be on everyone k	 of them! t: Remember though, the more you send out the more potential  customers you will reach.   7 So my friend, I have given you the ideas, information,  0 materials and opportunity to become financially 
 independent, u IT IS UP TO YOU NOW!    = ************************************************************ p     "THINK ABOUT IT"  7 Before you delete this program from your mailbox, as I o; almost did, take a little time to read it and REALLY THINK  
 ABOUT IT. 7 Get a pencil and figure out what could happen when YOU  
 participate.  5 Figure out the worst possible response and no matter  : how you calculate it, you will still make a lot of money! 	 You will a; definitely get back what you invested. Any doubts you have   will vanish * when your first orders come in. IT WORKS!    Jody Jacobs, Richmond, VA   = ************************************************************ e    . HERE'S HOW THIS AMAZING PROGRAM WILL MAKE YOU  THOUSANDS OF DOLLAR$ w   INSTRUCTIONS:   1 This method of raising capital REALLY WORKS 100% e7 EVERY TIME. I am sure that you could use up to $50,000 e or more in the next 90 days. e  4 Before you say "BULL... ", please read this program  carefully. t2 This is not a chain letter, but a perfectly legal  money making opportunity. , Basically, this is what you do: As with all  multi-level businesses, 5 we build our business by recruiting new partners and d selling our products. 1 Every state in the USA allows you to recruit new   multi-level business 12 partners, and we offer a product for EVERY dollar  sent. 3 YOUR ORDERS COME BY MAIL AND ARE FILLED BY E-MAIL, 5- so you are not involved in personal selling. r7 You do it privately in your own home, store or office.    6 This is the GREATEST Multi-Level Mail Order Marketing 
 anywhere:    This is what you MUST do:   / 1. Order all 4 reports shown on the list below s/ (you can't sell them if you don't order them). n  / * For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the NAME &  7 NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR E-MAIL AND u; ADDRESS, YOUR NAME & RETURN ADDRESS (in case of a problem)   and 9 to the person whose name appears on the list next to the   report.   2 MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS IS ON YOUR ENVELOPE  IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS!   1 * When you place your order, make sure you order  < each of the four reports. You will need all four reports so   3 that you can save them on your computer and resell i them.   * * Within a few days you will receive, via 4 e-mail, each of the four reports. Save them on your  computer so they  2 will be accessible for you to send to the 1,000's ( of people who will order them from you.   4 2. IMPORTANT-- DO NOT alter the names of the people 9 who are listed next to each report, or their sequence on e7 the list, in any way other than is instructed below in e
 steps "a" 4 through "f" or you will lose out on the majority of 6 your profits. Once you understand the way this works, 6 you'll also see how it doesn't work if you change it. < Remember, this method has been tested, and if you alter it,  it will not work.   + a. Look below for the listing of available o	 reports. a  / b. After you've ordered the four reports, take  3 this Advertisement and remove the name and address  5 under REPORT #4. This person has made it through the e. cycle and is no doubt counting their $50,000!   2 c. Move the name and address under REPORT #3 down  to REPORT #4.   2 d. Move the name and address under REPORT #2 down  to REPORT #3.   2 e. Move the name and address under REPORT #1 down  to REPORT #2.   - f. Insert your name/address in the REPORT #1  
 position.   1 Please make sure you copy every name and address - ACCURATELY!   3 3. Take this entire letter, including the modified -5 list of names, and save it to your computer. Make NO e3 changes to the Instruction portion of this letter. 0  0 Your cost to participate in this is practically ; nothing (surely you can afford $20). You obviously already a0 have an Internet Connection and e-mail is FREE!   < To assist you with marketing your business on the internet, < the 4 reports you purchase will provide you with invaluable 6 marketing information which includes how to send bulk < e-mails, where to find thousands of free classified ads and  much, much more. o  9 There are two primary methods of building your downline: t   METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL a  6 Let's say that you decide to start small, just to see 9 how it goes, and we'll assume you and all those involved E> send out only 2,000 programs each. Let's also assume that the 8 mailing receives a 0.5% response. Using a good list the  response could be much better. t9 Also, many people will send out hundreds of thousands of '4 programs instead of 2,000. But continuing with this A example, you send out only 2,000 programs. With a 0.5% response, o6 that is only 10 orders for REPORT #1. Those 10 people : respond by sending out 2,000 programs each for a total of 8 20,000. Out of those 0.5%, 100 people respond and order  REPORT #2.  6 Those 100 mail out 2,000 programs each for a total of 7 200,000. The 0.5% response to that is 1,000 orders for  : REPORT #3. Those 1,000 send out 2,000 programs each for a < 2,000,000 total. The 0.5% response to that is 10,000 orders 7 for REPORT #4. That's 10,000 $5 bills for you. CASH!!! l% Your total income in this example is  7 $50 + $500 + $5,000+ $50,000 for a total of $55,550!!! e  3 REMEMBER FRIEND, THIS IS ASSUMING 1,990 OUT OF THE e8 2,000 PEOPLE YOU MAIL TO WILL DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AND : TRASH THIS PROGRAM! DARE TO THINK FOR A MOMENT WHAT WOULD 6 HAPPEN IF EVERYONE, OR HALF SENT OUT 100,000 PROGRAMS = INSTEAD OF 2,000. Believe me, many people will do just that, g: and more! By the way, your cost to participate in this is + practically nothing. You obviously already o3 have an internet connection and e-mail is FREE !!! t  2 REPORT #2 will show you the best methods for bulk 5 e-mailing, tell you where to obtain free bulk e-mail e+ software and where to obtain e-mail lists. u  - METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET t  6 1. Advertising on the 'Net is very, very inexpensive, 4 and there are HUNDREDS of FREE places to advertise. 4 Let's say you decide to start small just to see how < well it works. Assume your goal is to get ONLY 10 people to < participate on your first level. (Placing a lot of FREE ads 4 on the internet will EASILY get a larger response.) 4 Also assume that everyone else in YOUR ORGANIZATION  gets ONLY 10 downline members. a  6 Follow this example to achieve the STAGGERING results  below: t  . 1st level-your 10 members with $5.........$50 9 2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x 100).......$500 c8 3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x 1,000) $5,000 9 4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x 10k) $50,000 p  / THIS TOTALS ---------------------------$55,550 r  3 Remember friends, this assumes that the people who =5 participate only recruit 10 people each. Think for a r2 moment what would happen if they got 20 people to 4 participate! Most people get 100's of participants!    THINK ABOUT IT!   < For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them 3 the report they ordered. THAT'S IT! ALWAYS PROVIDE $4 SAME-DAY SERVICE ON ALL ORDERS! This will guarantee : that the e-mail THEY send out, with YOUR name and address 9 on it, will be prompt because they can't advertise until $ they receive the report! $  + ------------------------------------------   AVAILABLE REPORTS + ------------------------------------------ t  - *** Order Each REPORT by NUMBER and NAME *** u   Notes:    6 - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT  CHEQUES NOT ACCEPTED l. - ALWAYS SEND YOUR ORDER VIA FIRST CLASS MAIL 7 - Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at o8 least two sheets of paper (IF NOT MORE SO THAT THE BILL  CAN'T BE SEEN AGAINST LIGHT) e, - On one of those sheets of paper, include: 6 (a) the number & name of the report you are ordering,  (b) your e-mail address, and  : (c) your name & postal address (as return address in case & the post office encounters problems).   ( PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW: 7 ______________________________________________________ n: REPORT #1 "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on  the Internet"    ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:   
 Doug Teasdaleb 619 Hamilton unit C  Costa Mesa, CA 92627 s7 ______________________________________________________ o6 REPORT #2 "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail  on the Internet" 0   ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:   
 C.R. Kneelanda %P.O. Box 94 Prather, CA 93651e7 ______________________________________________________ b6 REPORT #3 "The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the 
 Internet"    ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:    David Robinson 43000 W Nine Mile Rd Novi, MI 48375 a    7 ______________________________________________________ w; REPORT #4 "How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power r* of Multilevel Marketing and the Internet"    ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:    Sam Laan! Box 25362,395 Wellington Rd Southn London, ON Canada N6C 6B1   7 ______________________________________________________ e  0 About 50,000 new people get online every month!   ! ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS ******* t  8 * TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, & and follow the directions accurately.   9 * Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELY so you will have t. them when the orders start coming in because:   3 When you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the c requested product/report.   4 * ALWAYS PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU 	 RECEIVE.    6 * Be patient and persistent with this program. If you 6 follow the instructions exactly, your results WILL BE  SUCCESSFUL!   6 * ABOVE ALL, HAVE FAITH IN YOURSELF AND KNOW YOU WILL 	 SUCCEED! t  ( ******* YOUR SUCCESS GUIDELINES *******   3 Follow these guidelines to guarantee your success: e  4 If you don't receive 20 orders for REPORT #1 within 9 two weeks, continue advertising or sending e-mails until w you do. 4 Then, a couple of weeks later you should receive at 6 least 100 orders for REPORT#2. If you don't, continue - advertising or sending e-mails until you do.    5 Once you have received 100 or more orders for REPORT  9 #2, YOU CAN RELAX, because the system is already working s0 for you, and the cash will continue to roll in!    THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER: a  0 Every time your name is moved down on the list, / you are placed in front of a DIFFERENT report.  6 You can KEEP TRACK of your PROGRESS by watching which 4 report people are ordering from you. If you want to 7 generate more income, send another batch of e-mails or m8 continue placing ads and start the whole process again! 7 There is no limit to the income you will generate from v this business! e  7 Before you make your decision as to whether or not you t/ participate in this program. Please answer one y question..... ! DO YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR LIFE?  3 If the answer is yes, please look at the following   facts about this program:   , 1. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT  COST ANYTHING TO PRODUCE!   , 2. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT  COST ANYTHING TO SHIP!    , 3. YOU ARE SELLING A PRODUCT WHICH DOES NOT   COST YOU ANYTHING TO ADVERTISE!   / 4. YOU ARE UTILIZING THE POWER OF THE INTERNET t* AND THE POWER OF MULTI-LEVEL MARKETING TO % DISTRIBUTE YOUR PRODUCT ALL OVER THE h WORLD! t  & 5. YOUR ONLY EXPENSES OTHER THAN YOUR % INITIAL $20 INVESTMENT IS YOUR TIME! p  , 6. VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE INCOME YOU GENERATE " FROM THIS PROGRAM IS PURE PROFIT!   / 7. THIS PROGRAM WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOREVER. r  ( ******* T E S T I M O N I A L S *******   / This program does work, but you must follow it 0	 EXACTLY! 45 Especially the rule of not trying to place your name f9 in a different position, it won't work and you'll lose a T9 lot of potential income. I'm living proof that it works. -9 It really is a great opportunity to make relatively easy r4 money, with little cost to you. If you do choose to : participate, follow the program exactly, and you'll be on   your way to financial security.    Steven Bardfield, Portland, OR I= ************************************************************ u  ; My name is Mitchell. My wife, Jody, and I live in Chicago, t IL. 5 I am a cost accountant with a major U.S. Corporation w< and I make pretty good money. When I received the program I 9 grumbled to Jody about receiving "junk mail." I made fun  < of the whole thing, spouting my knowledge of the population : and percentages involved. I "knew" it wouldn't work. Jody 7 totally ignored my supposed intelligence and jumped in a( with both feet. I made merciless fun of 9 her, and was ready to lay the old "I told you so" on her O9 when the thing didn't work... well, the laugh was on me! A5 Within two weeks she had received over 50 responses. S; Within 45 days she had received over $147,200 in $5 bills! a8 I was shocked! I was sure that I had it all figured and : that it wouldn't work. I AM a believer now. I have joined 7 Jody in her "hobby." I did have seven more years until  ; retirement, but I think of the "rat race" and it's not for . me. We owe it all to MLM.    Mitchell Wolf MD., Chicago, IL H= ************************************************************ t  3 The main reason for this letter is to convince you  : that this system is honest, lawful, extremely profitable, = and is a way to get a large amount of money in a short time. o< I was approached several times before I checked this out. I ; joined just to see what one could expect in return for the d7 minimal effort and money required. To my astonishment, 98 I received $36,470.00 in the first 14 weeks, with money  still coming in. i   Charles Morris, Esq. m= ************************************************************    0 Not being the gambling type, it took me several : weeks to make up my mind to participate in this plan. But 3 conservative that I am, I decided that the initial i9 investment was so little that there was just no way that  - I wouldn't get enough orders to at least get  4 my money back. Boy, was I surprised when I found my 1 medium-size post office box crammed with orders! i( For awhile, it got so overloaded that I / had to start picking up my mail at the window.  + I'll make more money this year than any 10 n; years of my life before. The nice thing about this deal is  7 that it doesn't matter where people live. There simply e0 isn't a better investment with a faster return.    Paige Willis, Des Moines, IA  = ************************************************************ e  2 I had received this program before. I deleted it, < but later I wondered if I shouldn't have given it a try. Of : course, I had no idea who to contact to get another copy, 7 so I had to wait until I was e-mailed another program,  6 .11 months passed then it came...I didn't delete this 3 one!...I made more than $41,000 on the first try!! e   Violet Wilson, Johnstown, PA  < ***********************************************************   6 This is my third time to participate in this plan. We : have quit our jobs, and will soon buy a home on the beach 8 and live off the interest on our money. The only way on 8 earth that this plan will work for you is if you do it. 8 For your sake, and for your family's sake don't pass up 7 this golden opportunity. Good luck and happy spending! d   Kerry Ford, Centerport, NY l= ************************************************************ t    6 ORDER YOUR REPORTS TODAY AND GET STARTED ON YOUR ROAD  TO FINANCIAL FREEDOM!    NOW IS THE TIME FOR YOUR TURN ( DECISIVE ACTION YIELDS POWERFUL RESULTS 8 _______________________________________________________  FOR YOUR INFORMATION....  ! If you need help with starting a  ; business, registering a business name, learning how income v= tax is handled, etc., contact your local office of the Small r; Business Administration (a Federal agency) 1-(800)827-5722 e; for free help and answers to questions. Also, the Internal i8 Revenue Service offers free help via telephone and free * seminars about business tax requirements. 1 If you have any question of the legality of this r4 letter contact the Office of Associate Director for  Marketing Practices : Federal Trade Commission Bureau of Consumer Protection in  Washington DC.     ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 08:24:16 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <75BzQk8PpBb7@eisner.decus.org>p  \ In article <8scg7r$1s4$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:M > Every member in good standing in our database was sent a ballot in the lastdN > election.  To be a member in good standing you must complete an annual auditM > in some form.  That is achieved by either answering an annual audit form orh5 > by participating in some way at the national level.p  9 I have attended every US Symposium for the past 20 years.i5 The DECUS office admitted they made a clerical error.g  G For one who is pushing so hard for this ballot (having been rejected oniJ his previous try) to claim otherwise without checking the facts is absurd.  I This "second ballot so the voters can get it right" does remind me of theN plans of Mr. Milosovic (sp?).A   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:30:02 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...3 Message-ID: <8sf6up$d94$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>a   Larry what I said was...  A "Every member in good standing in our database was sent a ballot"   L ... note the "in our database". If it was a clerical error you wouldn't haveG received one.  There will always be clerical errors but there isn't anyv wholesale system failure...o   --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================A  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:75BzQk8PpBb7@eisner.decus.org...rB In article <8scg7r$1s4$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: H > Every member in good standing in our database was sent a ballot in the lastH > election.  To be a member in good standing you must complete an annual audithJ > in some form.  That is achieved by either answering an annual audit form or5 > by participating in some way at the national level.   9 I have attended every US Symposium for the past 20 years. 5 The DECUS office admitted they made a clerical error.V  G For one who is pushing so hard for this ballot (having been rejected on J his previous try) to claim otherwise without checking the facts is absurd.  I This "second ballot so the voters can get it right" does remind me of then plans of Mr. Milosovic (sp?).i   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:53:12 -0400 % From: Karl S. Erbland <karl@ksme.net> < Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...5 Message-ID: <MPG.1454fc873a20a5389896cc@news.alt.net>r  D In article <8sf6up$d94$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, Jeff@IDM-IO.com  says...t > Larry what I said was... > C > "Every member in good standing in our database was sent a ballot"p > N > ... note the "in our database". If it was a clerical error you wouldn't haveI > received one.  There will always be clerical errors but there isn't anye > wholesale system failure.... > --2 > Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)  : Jeff, I think this points out a problem that needs review.  G I don't remember Larry stating what the "clerical error" was. It could mF have been that Larry's name was placed in the "inactive" category. In J such a case Larry would not have been listed as "in good standing", would J not have received a ballot and this would have been considered a clerical  error.    The current survey I am running:* http://superorg.com/becoming-encompass.htm asks the question:F "Did you receive a "bylaws ballot" for the first bylaws voting? (Only = DECUS U.S. Chapter members were eligible to receive ballots)"i! [50 responses as of this posting]m   Yes (37)  74%  No (6)  12% $ Was not a qualified member (7)  14%   H Those not receiving ballots is 12%, an extremely high percentage. It is I assumed that those responding with a "NO" considered themselves eligible aC for a ballot or the would have responded with "Was not a qualified e member."   D > In article <8scg7r$1s4$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" > <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: J > > Every member in good standing in our database was sent a ballot in the > lastJ > > election.  To be a member in good standing you must complete an annual > auditSL > > in some form.  That is achieved by either answering an annual audit form > or7 > > by participating in some way at the national level.e  : Can the audit results be produced in order to be verified?  J I don't recall having responded to any recent audits (within  one year of  the election date).a  H I posted an earlier note which inquired about a 2,700 ballot difference I (not sent out) in the previous election. How many of those are "clerical tF errors"? If we apply 12% (based on the survey at this point in time), E that means there is a possibility of 324 members who did not receive 0A ballots for whatever possible reason, including a clerical error.h  5 I do not understand how Encompass can state publicly:,5 http://www.decus.org/encompass/press_release.shtml --EH "In doing so, Encompass will take a three-pronged approach to serve its  9,800 active members:"I yet turn around and say only 7,100 were in the "active" (responded to an !& audit) categroy for the last election.  I Larry happens to be statig his case in public but how many who qualified NF for a ballot and didn't receive one aren't saying anything. Even more G "horrifying" is -- HOW MANY DON'T EVEN KNOW they SHOULD HAVE QUALIFIED WJ and RECEIVED A BALLOT (out of 2,700) and therefore can't even correct the  error.  * I hope we correct these serious conflicts. What can we do?eH I suggest a comprehensive audit and comprehensive verification followup ! of the audit itself (validation).n   ============  D The above situation may be a good reason to allow online membership " account management by the members.  
 Best regards,e   Karl   -- w Karl Erbland KSME/Business Groups Tiffin, OH 44883  ) I want to be your Encompass board member!o) http://www.superorg.com/goodbyedecus.html    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:06:20 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up linet6 Message-ID: <8sfcic$c4m$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  i In article <9r7G5.6872$N%1.3396749@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>, "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@home.com> writes: L :Basically, you set up two modems, one at each end, and you run DECnet. OnceK :DECnet is up and running, then you run LAT to the Terminal Server, in your  :case a 90.e  #   LAT does not operate over DECnet.c  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:42:51 +0000p From: nclews@csc.com+ Subject: Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirementsa@ Message-ID: <OFB6B7658E.1A1D016D-ON0025697A.0044CA28@eu.csc.com>  3 >Does Galaxy/clustering on OpenVMS require NICs for0 >heartbeats etc.?y  6 Nope. Documented in the Alpha Galaxy Guide is the SMCI6 interconnect. A device called PBAn is created and seen3 galaxy wide by each member of the galaxy community.w  See the SYSGEN parameters SMCI*.  < It does work, because for a while we didn't have the network: port enabled on one of our systems, but the cluster worked@ just fine. If you want to NI cluster in another node (we've done@ this) then you MUST have both NIC's to satisfy the 'direct path' interconnect rule.  0 Remember to set your NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ up to 7360.  3 It does use the CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT file as well,I7 which has the (intended) offshoot of being able to havet2 multiple clusters in a galaxy. Bit like real life!  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences -- nclews at csc dot coma   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:23:25 -0200 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br + Subject: Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirementshL Message-ID: <OF78BBDFB7.2D216348-ON8325697A.00540AE1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G Galaxy has Cluster capabilities ? If we acquire a GS 80 with 8 CPUs ande, using two instances of OpenVMS (4 CPUs each)3 I can install a bus-based cluster in this machine??d   Regardsa  
 Fabio Cardosoo              % nclews@csc.com em 16/10/2000 10:42:51_L                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirements                  >                                                                             3 >Does Galaxy/clustering on OpenVMS require NICs forb >heartbeats etc.?u  6 Nope. Documented in the Alpha Galaxy Guide is the SMCI6 interconnect. A device called PBAn is created and seen3 galaxy wide by each member of the galaxy community.t  See the SYSGEN parameters SMCI*.  < It does work, because for a while we didn't have the network: port enabled on one of our systems, but the cluster worked@ just fine. If you want to NI cluster in another node (we've done@ this) then you MUST have both NIC's to satisfy the 'direct path' interconnect rule.  0 Remember to set your NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ up to 7360.  3 It does use the CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT file as well,e7 which has the (intended) offshoot of being able to haveP2 multiple clusters in a galaxy. Bit like real life!  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences -- nclews at csc dot com    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:08:46 -0200o) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brn+ Subject: Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirementsrL Message-ID: <OF8233B0A7.BDBD7E8A-ON8325697A.0058A2A8@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  $ I am sorry people ! I found it . . .  @ http://www.openvms.compaq.com/doc/721final/6512/6512pro_002.html   Fabio C.          2 De:   Fabio dos Santos Cardoso em 16/10/2000 13:23             Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt      G Assunto:  Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirements  (Document link: Fabio dosm       Santos Cardoso)   G Galaxy has Cluster capabilities ? If we acquire a GS 80 with 8 CPUs andi, using two instances of OpenVMS (4 CPUs each)3 I can install a bus-based cluster in this machine??s   Regardse  
 Fabio Cardosoo            % nclews@csc.com em 16/10/2000 10:42:51LL                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: Galaxy/Clustering requirements                  >                                                                             3 >Does Galaxy/clustering on OpenVMS require NICs for  >heartbeats etc.?   6 Nope. Documented in the Alpha Galaxy Guide is the SMCI6 interconnect. A device called PBAn is created and seen3 galaxy wide by each member of the galaxy community.   See the SYSGEN parameters SMCI*.  < It does work, because for a while we didn't have the network: port enabled on one of our systems, but the cluster worked@ just fine. If you want to NI cluster in another node (we've done@ this) then you MUST have both NIC's to satisfy the 'direct path' interconnect rule.  0 Remember to set your NISCS_MAX_PKTSZ up to 7360.  3 It does use the CLUSTER_AUTHORIZE.DAT file as well, 7 which has the (intended) offshoot of being able to havel2 multiple clusters in a galaxy. Bit like real life!  ( Regards, Nic Clews CSC Computer Sciences -- nclews at csc dot comv   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:06:47 -0000l- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)l, Subject: Re: Galaxy/clustering requirements?/ Message-ID: <sulvb7apkk9m77@news.supernews.com>"  = marco@nbnet.nb.ca (Marco Shaw) wrote in <q85G5.1724$iY1.37294t @sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>:t  J >I've got an Alpha Multia, and have another on the way.  These systems canE >only have 1 NIC.  Does Galaxy/clustering on OpenVMS require NICs foraI >heartbeats, etc.?  If so, perhaps I can alias some IPs to the 1 NIC withl >some static routes? >  >Thanks, >Marco >  >g  J Keep in mind that the clustering protocol (NISCA) does not use IP.  These I two protocols have different protocol identifiers at the ethernet packet r& level, and are not related in any way.   ws   -- n3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>k   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:05:26 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: Galaxy/clustering requirements?6 Message-ID: <8sfcgm$c4m$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <q85G5.1724$iY1.37294@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:J :I've got an Alpha Multia, and have another on the way.  These systems canE :only have 1 NIC.  Does Galaxy/clustering on OpenVMS require NICs fortI :heartbeats, etc.?  If so, perhaps I can alias some IPs to the 1 NIC with  :some static routes?  E   OpenVMS Galaxy and OpenVMS Cluster are two quite separate concepts.nI   Neither OpenVMS Galaxy nor OpenVMS Cluster specifically requires a NIC.s  G   A Multia can probably be a cluster member -- I say "probably" as thishF   Multia box is not officially supported by OpenVMS, and as the MultiaE   I/O subsystem is known to have various limitations -- and it could gE   conceivably also be configured as a single-instance OpenVMS Galaxy.v  G   As a configuration that is both a single-instance OpenVMS Galaxy and  I   a single-instance OpenVMS Galaxy, no NIC is required.  As a multi-node eM   OpenVMS Cluster configuration (and this system can not be a multi-instance f8   OpenVMS Galaxy), you would require at least one NIC.    G   On a system with multi-instance capabilities -- Multia does not have  H   this -- that has each instance as a member of the same or of differentK   OpenVMS Cluster configurations, you can be required to have zero or more  I   NICs per instance, depending on the specifics of the local hardware anddL   cluster configuration.  Some of these cluster configurations can have and I   are fully supported with no NICs at all, and some can require multiple *I   NICs in zero or more instances.  It is very common to see at least one TG   NIC per instance, of course.  And cluster member nodes that can only RH   cluster with other nodes over an Ethernet network must obviously have J   a NIC installed (and one or more NIC in each instance, if the instances 1   are also configured into one or more clusters).e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:37:40 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>= Subject: Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL? J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010161634190.17794-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  A On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com wrote:a [...]nG +(IMHO, the Pipe commands don't count 'cuz they create temporary files,5    WHAT ?i:  I was really sure, that PIPE uses the MPA pipe mailboxes.@  Can you show a example, when PIPE command runs as pseudo-pipe ?  - +not to mention the multiple processes... :^)s  
  Agree -:)    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E =====================================================================oF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:34:56 +0100i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS* Message-ID: <39EAD9D0.DAAD83D4@uk.sun.com>   Rob Young wrote: > N > In article <39e5e47d$1@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> writes:G > >>I'm curious.  Why _are_ you stuck on VAX?  Other's mentioned vendorfD > >>supplied code that won't be ported.  If you are so interested inD > >>having your apps to run faster, they you really should look intoG > >>upgrading to Alpha.  Another option is to add VAXen to your shop to E > >>distribute the load.  They are becoming increasingly inexpensive.  > >yN > > We're stuck because generating the software we produce on another hardwareN > > platform requires recertification by the FAA and that can cost MILLIONS to > > go through that process. > >u > > We have added VAXen. > I >         Reading that and the other post.  So VAX has carried you a longiH >         time.  Where do you go now or in the future?  Windows xxxx andF >         IA32?  If so, what is that timeline?  Solaris on UltraSparc? > D >         Point is you have to eventually go somewhere.  Choose yourO >         architecture and OS -very- carefully or you may be recertifying againrL >         in 6-10 years.  Shoot, with Windows xxxx maybe you recertify every >         couple years.  HA!  < Its worse than that, most of the vendors I have worked with = that have products that run on NT re-certify for each servicer9 pack. Something that the Lotus issues with NT 4.0 SP6/6a t have shown to be a necessity.e   Regardsa Andrew Harrisonf Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:03:56 GMTg  From: champ_clark666@my-deja.com" Subject: Re: Hobby VMS license....) Message-ID: <8sejqa$2uh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l  ) In article <00101323242738@antinode.org>,n   sms@antinode.org wrote:M >    Mr. Clark:  >-7 > > 	The system is not setup for autoboot..  Anyways...: >1$ >    SHOW HALT ?  ("2" = auto-boot?)  1 	Currently,  when I do a "show halt",  it == "3".EG The original owners never set it up to autoboot.  Thats pretty much ther% least of my worries right now (grin).m >s) > > At the ">>>" ,  I hit "b" for boot...a > >h4 > > 	 From there I get the "HLT INST", under that... > >u" > > 	PC = 00000B15  PSL = 041F0004 > > ; > > 	Never shows anything else......  Brings me back to theu@ > > ">>>".. prompt..  I try to boot (bypassing the STARTUP.COM),> > > "B/1",  and I get the same error (and no SYSBOOT> prompt).: > > At this point I'm pretty sure that DKA0: is dead...... > A >    I assume that the power-on diagnostics do not complain aboutr anythingE > ("?").  If there are complaints, that can prevent an auto-boot even  when > it's selected.  9 	No.. No complants.  Comes up,  checks memory, then comest% to the >>> prompt (as it always has).a  C > >    Does it mention the disk it's using after you say "B"?  Liker > (perhaps): >n > >>>B > (BOOT/R5:0 DKA0) >  2.. > -DKA0e	 >  1..0..m >s  @    Yeah.. boots off "DKA0"...  Interesting thing here..  I type,B "b",  it displays "-DKA0",  then one "."..  After a minute or two,< I get the HLT INST error,  and I'm back to the ">>>" prompt.  D >    After you do the "SHOW DEVICE", if any disk names appear (DKA0,F > ...?), you can try "B DKA0" or "B DKB100", or whatever.  It probably+ > won't help, but it'll be something to do.o  A    This unit does have 2 HD's in it..  When I do a "show device",dG DKA0 shows and DKA100 shows.   DKA100 was the user drive.   I knew thatnA VMS was not loaded on that drive,  but for grin's I did the abovesB (B DKA100).. I get a "FILE NOT FOUND" error message (as expected). > C >    "SHOW BOOT" may tell you which device it's trying to boot froms (wheneA > you don't specify one).  "SHOW BFLG" might also be informative.e (Likelyn$ > it's zero, which would be normal.)  F    I'll have to do the "SHOW BFLG" flag.  What does that show exactly, anyways?     					- Champ    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:56:50 +0000 (   )i3 From: Christopher Smith <chriss@Mufasa.pubserv.com>u" Subject: Re: Hobby VMS license....I Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.05.10010161451440.9424-100000@Mufasa.pubserv.com>t  5 On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 champ_clark666@my-deja.com wrote:   C > with.  It _had_ VMS 5.5-2 loaded,  which I was happy with becausesD > it also had a 64 user license/login limit.  As I said in a eariler@ > post (about the HTL INST PC = 00000B15 messages I'm getting atH > boot up),  I think the harddrive might be shot.  With this,  I started+ > wondering about the VMS hobbiest license.a  D Well, in theory, you should have the license even if VMS came on theE machine.  Licenses follow the people they're attached to, and not the F machines (unfortunately for most hobbyists who like to get their stuff from junkyards).  ; > 	If I indeed have to replace the HD and reload VMS,  willOF > the OpenVMS 7.2 hobby license restrict the number of Interact logins? > that the system is allowed?   I would be using the system forh- > non-commercial use.. Just for fun..  Thanksg  C AFAIK, no more than your current PAK would.  I haven't tested this,tI really, but I seem to remember the limit set to 64 on my VAXStation 3100.e   Regards,   Chriso  O =============================================================================== @ "My two cents"			(http://rootworks.com/twocentsworth.cgi?128562)= Christopher Smith(chriss@pubserv.com)			Prgramer^W Programmero Prime Synergy of Champaign, IL.-% -------------------------------------0I "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and:H weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes; and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949 nO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------y   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:17:32 GMTe" From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com># Subject: Re: How to read "SHOW MEM"c) Message-ID: <8sfd73$o51$1@nnrp1.deja.com>E  E Thank you everyone for replying. I've run autogen to tune the running-G parameters, which I now understand. I've also taken an image backup and#> restored it, which has made a huge improvement to file access.  E To follow up to Mark's question, I will post my SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FULL/
 parametes.   Thanks Again All.- John     $ SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FULL.@               System Memory Resources on 16-OCT-2000 13:13:12.74  / Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable)iA     Current Size (bytes)       3702784    Current Size (pagelets)  7232A     Initial Size               3702784    Initial Size (pagelets)i 7232A     Maximum Size              14811136    Maximum Size (pagelets)l 28928d>     Free Space (bytes)         1079296    Space in Use (bytes) 2623488 A     Largest Variable Block      884928    Smallest Variable Block  64C     Number of Free Blocks          642    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytesn 45A     Free Blocks on Lookasides      436    Lookaside Space (bytes)  142464  % (No Bus Addressable Memory allocated)l   Paged Dynamic MemoryA     Current Size (PAGEDYN)     3145728    Current Size (pagelets). 6144>     Free Space (bytes)         1501296    Space in Use (bytes) 1644432 A     Largest Variable Block     1492112    Smallest Variable Block  16C     Number of Free Blocks          105    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes: 91    2 In article <39E5E208.CA61B43B@clarityconnect.com>,4   "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote:E > VIOC could probably be increased but need SHOW MEMORY/CACHE/FULL to F > really see if it might make a difference.  Looks like your pools are too F > big but again need a SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FULL to see for sure.  Also goH > into SDA and do a CLUE MEM/STAT as this will be useful.  From this oneG > display I'd say this is a system looking for ways to use more of it's  > physical memory. >  > --F > Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY. > 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan - > 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or  so. > 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               - >    --- ********************************************* ( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."   /* John Eisenschmidt , fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org (you know the drill) */    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:47:11 GMT ' From: kerkhoff@gmx.de (Volker Kerkhoff)  Subject: HSC 50 Question/ Message-ID: <39ead775.14970907@news.cis.dfn.de>    Hi,   ! Guess I have a funny one for you!   E Ve've a HSC50 Array controller which is still in use here. Last week,nE we had a power outage, UPS did not come in, and we were in deep shit,hD since the thing at first wasn't able to reload its software from theF mini-tapes, since they were filled with some type of black gunk. Guess2 nobody bothered cleanig them in a couple of years.  F So, I cleaned them, tried again with the same tape, and it did't work.  D Eventually, I was able to boot it from some obscure backup tape thatC came out of some unclear sources. Yet, now this is the last tape wetF have, and I would really like very much to have a backup. Our assignedC Compaq tecnician doesn not even have a clue about these things, anda+ the manuals seem to have long dissapeared. f  ' I understand we have two possibilities:a  F 1. Create a new tape from the original system software tape by somehow; "merging" thet parametrization with the SW into a new tape.   C 2. Copy an existing tape with parametrization to create a backup ofo the one I was  able to boot.  C Can anyone provide a brief outline on how any of these can be done.7F Compaq here in Spain do not seem to know, and since I have no manuals,E I'm on my own here. Even my Boss, the former "VAXorcist" in the house  does not remember.   Greetings, and TIA,s   Volker   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:51:05 +0000 - From: ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma>  Subject: HSZ50 error, Message-ID: <39EB23E9.AE780F4@digitem.co.ma>   Hello   % I have the following error in HSZ50 :w, error 4090 : modul as invalid serial number.  this controller can not be used. call field service  
 Any Idea ? Thanks   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:42:25 GMT % From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>  Subject: Re: HSZ50 error) Message-ID: <8sfb5f$m8h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   , In article <39EB23E9.AE780F4@digitem.co.ma>,0   ezzaoudi med <m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma> wrote: > Hello  > ' > I have the following error in HSZ50 : . > error 4090 : modul as invalid serial number." > this controller can not be used. > call field service >  > Any Idea ?  2 Well, call field service. Apparently you have lost the contents of the NVRAM.   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:01:49 GMT 1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>  Subject: Re: html on vms' Message-ID: <xeBG5.10$cL1.2434@nostril>   . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > John Nixon wrote:uG >> However, the release notes and documentation are all in HTML format.  >>  ( >> I reckon I need to install a browser.  O > search your system dick for "mosaic". You may already have it on your system.e 		     ^^^^lC 	:-)  Khmmm... too much playing with those coloured balls ? ;-)))))r      Y > (It came on the VAX at 7.2) You can also get it from other places (mor recent version).M    I    ----------------------------------------------------------------------lE    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogtE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.tI    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:U   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:22:11 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: html on vms. Message-ID: <8sf6f3$asm$2@info.service.rug.nl>  : In article <xeBG5.10$cL1.2434@nostril>, CSABA  HARANGOZO  ! <csabah@zipworld.com.au> writes: l  Q > > search your system dick for "mosaic". You may already have it on your system.i
 > 		     ^^^^gE > 	:-)  Khmmm... too much playing with those coloured balls ? ;-)))))S  G OK, time to revive the "my uptime is longer than your uptime" thread!      ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:16:45 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: html on vms6 Message-ID: <8sfd5t$c4m$4@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  N In article <VA.00000107.09edf019@sture.ch>, Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> writes:  / From "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>:   J : The FAQ talks about releasing Netscape Navigator Mozilla sometime in theK : future (1999??).  Has this come to pass?  Is this the recommended browserw
 : for VMS?  E   The FAQ has a pointer to a website with the current information on 2G   Mozilla -- I'll pass along a request that the information at the sitejH   be reviewed and refreshed, and I'll queue an update to the schedule inH   the FAQ.  (Though if you do not have a web browser, the web pages can "   be rather difficult to look at.)  D : How about the Apache web server?  Does this incorporate a browser?  G   Web servers do not normally incorporate web browsers.  You can use a iE   web browser to directly access HTML files without a web server (viaoC   the "file:///" type), but the converse is not typically the case.S  I   IIRC, DECwindows has included a web browser for a while now, I'd start VI   there.  (Spyglass emosaic is/was one of the incorporated web browsers.)u  K   Netscape 3.03 gold is downloadable, but old.  Mozilla is new but is stilltI   in beta, and its schedule is tied to the release schedule by the folks l   over at Mozilla.Org.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:07:55 +0200n7 From: Alain Chappuis <Alain.Chappuis@medecine.unige.ch>u' Subject: I need assistance for ThreadCPu1 Message-ID: <39EAFDAB.2779917F@medecine.unige.ch>h  ? Hello After some problems of use of OSU HTTP DECThreads server.h  ; %CMA-F-EXCCOP, exception raised; VMS condition code follows ; -SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtuale  ? David ask me to use the threadCP for compiling the distributione
 software.   9 Okay but I dont have any doc and experience for ThreadCP!f   As anyone help me?   Thank in advance.r Alain. --D +----------------------+-------------------------------------------+D | Alain Chappuis       | Responsable: E-mail; cmu.unige.ch         |D | Analyste programmeur | WEB    : www.medecine, ebn, jid, Sifm     |D | Universite de Geneve | E-mail : Alain.Chappuis@unige.ch          |D | Centre Medical Univ. | Phone  : +41 (22) [70]25.073              |D | 1, Rue Michel-Servet | FAX    : +41 (22) 347.33.34 ou 702.58.58  |K | CH-1211 Geneve 4     | http://cmub.unige.ch/www/si/alain.html    |        D +----------------------+-------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------   Date: 16 OCT 2000 15:08:42 GMT+ From: Dave Greenwood <greenwoodde@ornl.gov>dC Subject: Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster? 2 Message-ID: <16OCT00.15084214@feda34.fed.ornl.gov>   sms@antinode.org wrote:c/ > From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com>s >  gK > > I could be wrong here (happens all the time), but I believe you need to : > > set ALLOCLASS to a non-zero value to MSCP serve disks. >  PE >    I think it happened again.  It never has been needed for locallyaB > attached disks (tapes).  Also, note that while both systems haveJ > ALLOCLASS = 0, the VAX sees the Alpha disks, but not the other way.  The > asymmetry bothers me.= >  =+ > From: Maulis Adam <maulis@ludens.elte.hu>I >  IG > > $ MCR SYSGEN HELP SYS_PARAM MSCP_SERVE_ALL      ! changed since 7.1 G > > $ MCR SYSGEN HELP SYS_PARAM TMSCP_SERVE_ALL     ! changed since 7.1= >  =G >    So far as I can see, "1" says serve everything.  The VAX says it's,- > serving them.  The Alpha does not see them.i  B ALLOCLASS = 0 is okay.  That's the way my systems are.  What's theF setting for MSCP_LOAD (I think you said previously that TMSCP_LOAD=1).   Dave --------------9 Dave Greenwood                Email: Greenwoodde@ORNL.GOVeH Oak Ridge National Lab        %STD-W-DISCLAIMER, I only speak for myself   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:08:42 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>" Subject: Re: IP Address ExtractionJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010161804590.17794-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  * On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 rmegee@tqtx.com wrote:  : +here's what we use to obtain the ip address of a session: + ) +$ Xnode = F$getdvi("tt","tt_accpornam") t + F +for some sessions, there may be leading brackets or other qualifiers.C +I use something like this to strip a leading "[" and trailing "]" hF +take a look at what is produced by your instance.  You might not even +need this step at all.  +d/ +$ if f$locate("[",Xnode) .nes. f$length(Xnode)t
 +$       thenaO +$               Xnode = f$extract(f$locate("[",Xnode)+1,f$length(Xnode),Xnode)C? +$               Xnode = f$extract(0,f$locate("]",Xnode),Xnode)  +$       endif    To be precise:    $ Xnode = Xnode - "[" - "]"i  D  is much less space consuming -;) (DCL does the extraction already).    Regards - Gotfryd   -- eE =====================================================================iF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================1   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:41:38 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>" Subject: Re: IP Address ExtractionJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010161809500.17794-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ) On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Robert Taylor wrote:  [...] G +Basically I want to build up a script that will allow me to get the IP=C +address , then SET DISPLAY /CREATE /NODE="IP address" /TRANS=TCPIPy
 +accordingly.s +f6 +Further , the final step would be to launch an Xterm.  *  Do you will open the Xterm on other VMS ?  Do you have DECNET available ?.4  Can you get DECNET PROXY enabled for you username ?  9  If the 3 point are "yes" and you are interest in opening A a Xwindows from the "logging" machine (Xserver, name b.ex. VMS_S) 9 with session (window) on Xclient (name b.ex. VMS_C) then:    1. on VMS_S create a file:: $! XOPEN.COM, open a X session on remote machine thru TASKA $ if f$mode().nes."NETWORK" then exit 2 ! och, yes, bad error -;)e; $ define sys$output sys$net ! and you see messages thru net E $ set display/create/transport=decnet/node='f$trnlnm("SYS$REM_NODE")'  $ create/terminal/detached $ exit  ; FYI: when a network server process starts (b.ex. you do FTPy<  or something) in SYS$REM* lognames are saved the info about!  remote (client) connection side.sF COMMENT: I am too lazy check if the "::" from f$trnlnm("SYS$REM_NODE")B is allowed, if not - use 'f$string(f$trnlnm("SYS$REM_NODE")-"::")' instead.   2. from CMS_C start the task:e $ type VMS_S::"task=XOPEN"- (or set a pseudocommand symbol in your LOGIN)p FYI:;  Task is a DECNET protocol suposed to run specific "object"r7 (or "application" - the name depends of DECNET version)o; - and get a IO connection thru net; TASK *can* communicate w9 in both sides, but for our purposes the TYPE is enought: s@ we are only interest of the "run aplication" part of TASK usage.  @  If you not have PROXY set-up (ask your administrator !) you can of course use:  A $ TYPE VMS_S"your_user_name your_password_on-VMS-S"::"TASK=XOPEN"g  > ...but all of us will *not* propose you the "visible usage" of< password ! If your admin will not hear of PROXY - ask second/ time nicely... and third time send him here -;)f  ;  If you don't have DECNET you can already start with RLOGIN  or something....    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================0F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEV. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================_   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:00:32 +0100I0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Java on Openvms* Message-ID: <39EB3430.2E58AE86@uk.sun.com>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:' > y > In article <Fb4F5.1527$9T4.80301@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:n > :Is JAVA free on OpenVMS?s >  >   Yes. >  > :How do I get it?  > I >   As part of OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and later, and via download for OpenVMS  >   Alpha V7.1 and later.  >  > :Is it any good? >  >   It's Java. >   7 Umm well yes and no. The devil is in the detail and it e3 all depends on the Java implimentation on OpenVMS. t  = OpenVMS does support Java 1.2.x but this is only a relatively  recent change. g  A However 1.3 FCS is out on other platforms Solaris, Win32 and AIX F@ to my knowledge and some applications require 1.3 incedentally a( pre-beta version is available for Tru64.  E There is also the question as to how fast the 1.2.x JVM is on OpenVMS== Compaq appear to have concentrated their efforts on Tru64 and=9 at the moment there is a not a supported JVM with the thei< FastVM for OpenVMS though there is a beta version available 
 for download.m  : So if for example you are wedded to AlphaServers but want 6 the Compaq OS with the best support for Java then you * would have no choice but to choose Tru64.   6 If you didn't care which OS or HW platform you ran but5 just wanted the best supported JVM then you would not9 choose either Tru64 or OpenVMS.-  3 So the answer to the question is yes some flavours  2 of Java run on OpenVMS but lets say OpenVMS's Java+ support isn't anything to write home about.d     Andrew Harrison: Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 14:37:17 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Java on Openvms+ Message-ID: <LDI62jlHOheK@eisner.decus.org>   ] In article <39EB3430.2E58AE86@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:, > < > So if for example you are wedded to AlphaServers but want 8 > the Compaq OS with the best support for Java then you , > would have no choice but to choose Tru64.   C    Once again Andrew thinks he knows our jobs.  Tru64 (or any UNIX)i<    is not providing the "best support for Java" for me, only.    VMS is.  MacOS is currently running second.  8 > If you didn't care which OS or HW platform you ran but7 > just wanted the best supported JVM then you would noty! > choose either Tru64 or OpenVMS.e  D    No, you would, as I did, evaluate what "best supported" means for0    your needs, and hopefully choose accordingly.  5 > So the answer to the question is yes some flavours k4 > of Java run on OpenVMS but lets say OpenVMS's Java- > support isn't anything to write home about.l  >    Unless you deal in reality.  In which case any system mightE    turn out to be "best".  Right now, for example, Solaris is the one6;    system I use which cannot support my Java related needs.k  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation5= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GrouplE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingH   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 13:40:31 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)  Subject: Re: Java on Openvms) Message-ID: <8sfeif$l3$1@lisa.gemair.com>   * In article <39EB3430.2E58AE86@uk.sun.com>,2 andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >Hoff Hoffman wrote: >> 'z >> In article <Fb4F5.1527$9T4.80301@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes: >> :Is JAVA free on OpenVMS? >>  	 >>   Yes.i >> C >> :How do I get it? >>  J >>   As part of OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and later, and via download for OpenVMS >>   Alpha V7.1 and later. >>   >> :Is it any good?  >> l >>   It's Java.a >> a >g8 >Umm well yes and no. The devil is in the detail and it 4 >all depends on the Java implimentation on OpenVMS.  >   : This is an example of how Andrew likes to spread FUD here.  G In no way can you say that the 1.2 Java that's available for OpenVMS is1E NOT Java, but that's exactly what he's saying above.  In response to  G the statement "It's Java" he says "yes and no", which implies that "no"s is in some way true.  F So, Andrew has succeeded in spreading Fear Uncertainty and Doubt about using Java on OpenVMS.  G Of course, Compaq has stated their commitment to Java, cross platforms,tE but is a little behind Sun (surprise surprise) and IBM.  I wonder howhH many _deployed_ applications require Java 1.3 today?  Probably not many.H In the meantime, you can certainly develop on the Compaq platforms while they Compaq plays catch up.   > >OpenVMS does support Java 1.2.x but this is only a relatively >recent change.  >eB >However 1.3 FCS is out on other platforms Solaris, Win32 and AIX A >to my knowledge and some applications require 1.3 incedentally ac) >pre-beta version is available for Tru64.s >hF >There is also the question as to how fast the 1.2.x JVM is on OpenVMS> >Compaq appear to have concentrated their efforts on Tru64 and: >at the moment there is a not a supported JVM with the the= >FastVM for OpenVMS though there is a beta version available   >for download. >z; >So if for example you are wedded to AlphaServers but want  7 >the Compaq OS with the best support for Java then you n+ >would have no choice but to choose Tru64. t >n7 >If you didn't care which OS or HW platform you ran butn6 >just wanted the best supported JVM then you would not  >choose either Tru64 or OpenVMS. >   9 So, what is the "best" supported JVM?  I bet it'll always & be a product of Sun Microsystems Inc.   9 I guess this is why so there is so much concern about SunDE controlling the Java 'standards'.  Like Microsoft they can change therE standards at any time and then point to all of their poor competitorsr who can't keep up.  4 >So the answer to the question is yes some flavours 3 >of Java run on OpenVMS but lets say OpenVMS's Java2, >support isn't anything to write home about. >  >j >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.comA   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:12:45 GMT  From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com1 Subject: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11a) Message-ID: <8sf5t5$hb6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o   Hi List,8 Can anyone cast some light on how linefeeds can go AWOL?A We have two seperate VMS machines displaying the same distressing-@ symtoms. One with a TCPWare TCPIP stack the other with UCX. Both running VMS 7.1.G We are telneting to a port on the VMS node that invokes a service whichS> performs a "type/continuous" on a files-11 file. This file hasG additional lines regulary appended to it by an application. Each of theo? appended lines appears in the file complete with line feeds, ase	 expected.nG But the data appears minus the line feeds when we telnet to the port intG the manner desribed above. We can telnet from a unix machine, or we can > telnet from the VMS machine to itself and get the same result.  G Can anyone suggest what might be causing this? Or failing that a methodt of further investigating?r   TIAr   Tony    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:27:29 +0000' From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>o5 Subject: Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11u' Message-ID: <39EB2C71.DC5303F4@fsi.net>-   tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:- > 
 > Hi List,: > Can anyone cast some light on how linefeeds can go AWOL?C > We have two seperate VMS machines displaying the same distressingTB > symtoms. One with a TCPWare TCPIP stack the other with UCX. Both > running VMS 7.1.I > We are telneting to a port on the VMS node that invokes a service whichS@ > performs a "type/continuous" on a files-11 file. This file hasI > additional lines regulary appended to it by an application. Each of the A > appended lines appears in the file complete with line feeds, as  > expected.)I > But the data appears minus the line feeds when we telnet to the port in I > the manner desribed above. We can telnet from a unix machine, or we canm@ > telnet from the VMS machine to itself and get the same result. > I > Can anyone suggest what might be causing this? Or failing that a methodA > of further investigating?   F This has to do with a record attribute known as "carriage control". IfH this is specified as "none" when the file is created, the result will beD what you're seeing. If specified as "carriage return", the text will appear normally when TYPEd.o  H Do a DIRECTORY/FULL of the file in question, and check what is shown for "Record Attributes".   David J. Dachterat   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:16:37 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: Mail forwarding. Message-ID: <8sf64l$asm$1@info.service.rug.nl>  9 In article <39EA8FE8.4D1DDDD7@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandir$ <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:    > Maulis Adam wrote: > > & > > MAIL> set forward _NEO,xxx@xxx.comP > > %CLI-W-NOLIST, list of parameter values not allowed - check use of comma (,) > > /_NEO,xxx@xxx.com/ > H > Sorry. Bad memory. I didn't have access to VMS when I posted this, and- > of course I forgot about the Set COPY_SELF.h  E I haven't checked; this applies to the FORWARD command; does it also  8 apply to SET FORWARD, which is really a different beast?   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 07:05:52 GMT- From: djweath@attglobal.net (Dave Weatherall)r- Subject: Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failurel5 Message-ID: <DTiotGxQ0bj6-pn2-dv0lsdHLX31x@localhost>   F On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 01:42:36, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>  wrote:  -K > > Another common cause which bites me is to allocate an IOSB on the stack.% > > and then do an asynchronous $QIO.I > J > Tisk Tisk... Bad Boy ! All of my QIOs are in a different module and have > everything declared static.   C Tee hee.. but to be serious. Is the area that's being zapped now a e9 string or the back end of string? Or are there any other o> 'recognisable' features in what's overwriting your memory. My B immediate thought was null-trermination but I recently had a case B where use of a tab in an i/p line led tp the processed line being F greater than the theoretical max of 80. The program then got stuck in E loop until it tried to over-write some OTS structures at which point a
 it crashed...h  
 Thoughts :  " have your message sizes increased?  0 Alignment issues - 46 is not multiple of 4 or 8.  - no accidental use of value instead of pointer    Cheers - Dave.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 04:45:42 -0400F- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>H- Subject: Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failurei, Message-ID: <39EAC029.36EA7715@videotron.ca>   "Haimo G. Zobernig" wrote: > M > Just a guess, but often when I got this error it was due to a function callGN > where caller and callee didn't agree on the number of arguments.  The actualO > error usually happened at return and it was not always easy to locate the badoH > code. But with some luck, it may not be too far from your malloc call.   Right, wrong, wrong.  H A big mea culpa on my part. Had I not tried to defeat the DEC_C argumentH checking in the header files, the compiler would have caught this one. IK learned my lesson !  The offending routine takes one argument pointing to asK configuration structure. It is used solely to treat a Date: line in the RFCsN header (since the config info has the delta time to GMT). So, when parsing all- other RFC headers, that argument is not used.   J Furthermore, inside the main loop, the routine is called with the argumentN properly supplied. However, it is at the end of the loop, where the routine isT called to process any lingering RFC data and this is where the argument was omitted.  L One cause of the program to crash was the reception of a message whose Date:M tag was the last one (hence, gets processed by the routine called without thet/ argument, causing a crash at an IF statement !)G  N However, all other crash causes (including the malloc) were essentially randomN due to the routine called once per message with the wrong number of arguments,I but running fine because that routine didn't need to access that argumentl@ (since the last line eof a RFC header is rarely Date: nowadays.)  A It also explains why my program would crash now and then (nothingcH reproducible, and at random intevals, but be able to restart and processI messages normally). But now that I know what was wrong, I find it hard toaH understand how the program was so reliable before, and what caused it toB refuse to work (bombing at reproducible locations) this past week.  L But I did learn my lesson about the routine prototypes though. A whole bunch? of you are probably and very rightly thinking " I told you so".     F However, I do have a question: Is there some good document that really1 explains how the stacks work on VAX (and alpha) ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:27:08 GMTf From: richard_maher@my-deja.com - Subject: Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failurem) Message-ID: <8sel5q$3pd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   E > The pointer to a structure gets zapped with either a 0 or the value= 44.= >= Chris wrote:E > > Another common cause which bites me is to allocate an IOSB on the) stackH% > > and then do an asynchronous $QIO.  > E > Tisk Tisk... Bad Boy ! All of my QIOs are in a different module and= have > everything declared static.- >-  F Although the problem is solved, it is curious that 44 is ss$_abort andF zero could represent a newly initialized iosb. Was the trashed pointer
 on the stack?    Regards Richard Maher.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.1   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 16:55:54 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failures6 Message-ID: <8sfbuq$c4m$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  \ In article <39E83A29.EB2044E8@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:S :A C program that has worked for a lon time has recently developped an indigestion.  :o :VAX-VMS 7.2, DEC-C V 6.0n :eD :The program runs fine for the first x number of messages. But then,J :inexplicably, VMS forces it to barf the following against its will, after" :which the image is killed by VMS: :MD :%SYSTEM-ROPRAND, reserved operand fault at PC=00010C9D PSL=03C00004 :(followed by the traceback).a  J   The allocated structure located immediately prior to the failing malloc I   in the heap likely contains a data overrun or data underrun -- finding a!   these gets to be interesting.  :  G   I commonly use my own calls to the lib$vm services rather than the C  I   malloc and free calls, as I can also use the verification services and eH   I can see exactly what is going on, and I can use the lookaside lists 3   and allocation schemes appropriate to the call.  M  G   These "wrappers" also allow me to include my own "fenceposts" during tF   allocation and to be able to check the "fenceposts" on deallocation I   -- I typically allocate an extra quadword "fencepost" at the front and  I   an extra quadword "fencepost" at the rear, and fill the quadwords with AL   known bit patterns -- I prefer to use bitpatterns that are different than M   what I've seen as the most common overwritten values (often a zero) in the oH   bytes of the fencepost closest to the user data, and I also embed the I   (complimented, just to avoid having the extra zero bytes lurking) size .C   of the structure as an easy way to handle and to verify the heap dH   deallocation call.  I check the fenceposts at deallocation, and I alsoG   can also trigger the use of the lib$vm heap verification routines to  C   check for other forms of heap (memory pool) stompers as required.=   :the offending C statement is: :=# :	past_value = malloc(malloc_size);F :RI :and the value of malloc_size is 46, so it is not as if I am asking it to/ :allocate a huge amount.N :Besides, if malloc didn't have enough money, shouldn't it return 0 instead of :faulting ?=     And it would.-  % :What can I conclude from the above ?   =   It is faulting because of a pointer corruption in the heap..  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:26:37 +0200 ' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>. Subject: MOZILLA M18 crashes* Message-ID: <39EAF3FC.42E53021@iaf.fhg.de>  4 I downloaded the newest version M18 for OpenVMS fromE http://www.mozilla.org and installed it. The installation removed thed version M17 which worked fine. Starting MOZILLA shows:t	 $ MOZILLAl Starting mozilla-bin... 2 ************************************************** nsNativeComponentLoader:9 GetFactory(/sys$common/mozilla/components/libgklayout.so)W6 Load FAILED with error: OpenVMS status is decimal 8380  2 **************************************************2 ************************************************** nsNativeComponentLoader:9 GetFactory(/sys$common/mozilla/components/libgklayout.so)o6 Load FAILED with error: OpenVMS status is decimal 8380  2 **************************************************2 ************************************************** nsNativeComponentLoader:9 GetFactory(/sys$common/mozilla/components/libgklayout.so)r6 Load FAILED with error: OpenVMS status is decimal 8380  2 **************************************************; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtuall: address=0000000000000000, PC=0000000000FBB444, PS=0000001B/ %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows G   image    module    routine             line      rel PC           abso PCA  LIBURILOADER  NSEXTERNALHELPERAPPSERVICE  FillTopLevelProperties->                                         42396 0000000000004654 0000000000FBB444G  LIBURILOADER  NSEXTERNALHELPERAPPSERVICE  GetMIMEInfoForMimeTypeFromDSO>                                         42531 0000000000005450 0000000000FBC2404  LIBURILOADER  NSEXTERNALHELPERAPPSERVICE  DoContent>                                         42323 0000000000003FF8 0000000000FBADE8.  LIBURILOADER  NSOSHELPERAPPSERVICE  DoContent>                                         37677 000000000000091C 0000000000FC0ECC+  LIBURILOADER  NSURILOADER  DispatchContent >                                         33566 000000000000308C 0000000000FB429C*  LIBURILOADER  NSURILOADER  OnStartRequest>                                         33424 000000000000263C 0000000000FB384C-  LIBNECKO  NSASYNCSTREAMLISTENER  HandleEvents>                                         25844 00000000000016E0 0000000000BCF0B0/  LIBNECKO  NSASYNCSTREAMLISTENER  HandlePLEvento>                                         25731 0000000000000B54 0000000000BCE524>  LIBXPCOM  PLEVENT  PL_HandleEvent      35257 0000000000000C38 00000000003618D8+  LIBXPCOM  PLEVENT  PL_ProcessPendingEventsb>                                         35190 0000000000000A94 0000000000361734-  LIBXPCOM  NSEVENTQUEUE  ProcessPendingEvents->                                         24375 0000000000001C14 000000000035AF64-  LIBWIDGET_GTK  NSAPPSHELL  our_gdk_io_invokeu>                                         71940 00000000000008B4 00000000010C0954>  LIBGLIB  GMAIN  g_main_dispatch        19203 0000000000000AD0 0000000001499E20>  LIBGLIB  GMAIN  g_main_iterate         19424 000000000000128C 000000000149A5DC>  LIBGLIB  GMAIN  g_main_run             19482 0000000000001470 000000000149A7C0>  LIBGTK  GTKMAIN  gtk_main              20665 0000000000000A58 00000000016EA508>  LIBWIDGET_GTK  NSAPPSHELL  Run         72218 00000000000014A4 00000000010C1544>  MOZILLA-BIN  NSAPPRUNNER  main1        58655 0000000000007270 0000000000037270>  MOZILLA-BIN  NSAPPRUNNER  main         58836 0000000000007838 0000000000037838>  MOZILLA-BIN  NSAPPRUNNER  __MAIN           0 0000000000000070 0000000000030070>  MOZILLA-BIN                                0 0000000000035938 0000000000045938>  PTHREAD$RTL                                0 000000000003115C 000000007BBF315C>  PTHREAD$RTL                                0 0000000000012B48 000000007BBD4B48>                                             0 FFFFFFFF835493F4 FFFFFFFF835493F4 $e    @ The file /sys$common/mozilla/components/libgklayout.so is there:  A $ DIR/SIZE/DATE/SEC SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA.COMPONENTS]LIBGKLAYOUT.SOl  ) Directory SYS$COMMON:[MOZILLA.COMPONENTS]n  A LIBGKLAYOUT.SO;1       24924   9-OCT-2000 17:59:24.00  [SYSTEM]  n (RWED,RWED,RE,RE)    Total of 1 file, 24924 blocks. $c  H What's the reason for: Load FAILED with error: OpenVMS status is decimal 8380 ???   --    ; ***********************************************************o; *                                                         *d; *  Theo Jakobus                                           * ; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *e; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *h; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *m; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *t; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *e; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *e; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *h; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:51:00 +0100o* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>  Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes+ Message-ID: <8semjd$ulc@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>V  Y "Theo Jakobus" <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> wrote in message news:39EAF3FC.42E53021@iaf.fhg.de...d  J > What's the reason for: Load FAILED with error: OpenVMS status is decimal
 > 8380 ???   $EXIT(8380)m: %SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image  B Check the requirements in the release notes: running 7.1-2 without@ the PTHREADS patch would be a possible, seeing as that is at theA bottom of your stack. Some sort of RTL dependency problem anyway.n   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 08:48:34 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)t  Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes+ Message-ID: <1tKwfqc37NnG@eisner.decus.org>-  X In article <8semjd$ulc@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> writes: > [ > "Theo Jakobus" <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> wrote in message news:39EAF3FC.42E53021@iaf.fhg.de...o > K >> What's the reason for: Load FAILED with error: OpenVMS status is decimale >> 8380 ???t > 
 > $EXIT(8380)-< > %SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > D > Check the requirements in the release notes: running 7.1-2 withoutB > the PTHREADS patch would be a possible, seeing as that is at theC > bottom of your stack. Some sort of RTL dependency problem anyway.p  E But I would be very afraid of software that does not even know how tol& display the text version of a message.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:02:43 +0200s- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>   Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes3 Message-ID: <39EB1893.25917BBA@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>e   Richard Brodie wrote:u > [ > "Theo Jakobus" <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de> wrote in message news:39EAF3FC.42E53021@iaf.fhg.de...j > L > > What's the reason for: Load FAILED with error: OpenVMS status is decimal > > 8380 ??? > 
 > $EXIT(8380)0< > %SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > D > Check the requirements in the release notes: running 7.1-2 withoutB > the PTHREADS patch would be a possible, seeing as that is at theC > bottom of your stack. Some sort of RTL dependency problem anyway.VH Which also occurs on a VMS7.2-1 system with all public available patches installed. (&^&%$&*(*()())  
       Jouk -- n  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum essec  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansene 		 t   joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nlo  E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  ddddddd F   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     ddxG   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   dddddddt  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:41:16 GMTi' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>p  Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes- Message-ID: <39EB1341.DAA2C3E8@theblakes.com>e  J Looks like the ident in SYS$PUBLIC_VECTORS on the Mozilla build system got3 bumped between M17 and M18. I'm looking into it....T   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:09:58 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)  Subject: Re: MUTEX Process/ Message-ID: <sum31md7pvs1c8@news.supernews.com>@  C m.ezzaoudi@digitem.co.ma (ezzaoudi med) wrote in <39E9C590.217FD377r @digitem.co.ma>:   >Hello >N0 >I have an OpenVMS (7.2) Alpha with ORACLE (7.3)2 >and some time , a MUTEX process (owned by Oracle)+ >appear , and I can not STOP it (stop/id=).w >My  only solution is a reboot.s8 >Is there an other solution to STOP this process or some. >parameters to tune for abort this situation ? >Thaks >  >S  J One of the things Oracle support will ask you is to verify the UAF quotas L for the account under which the database is running.  Insufficient settings ' may contribute to this type of problem.R   ws   --  3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:52:00 GMT   From: champ_clark666@my-deja.com$ Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.) Message-ID: <8sej40$2hq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  F In article <6ZrG5.24086$h%1.117983@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>,2   "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net> wrote:D > Does it pass the power-on self tests?   My guess would be a memory > problem...but it'sC > just a guess.  The MV3100 has built-in tests for the SCSI.  Enterw either T > SCSI or T 10 > to run the RZ tests. > D > I'm in Jacksonville also, and I have an external RRD42 (I think. I have tolG > check and see it's still around) that you could borrow if it comes to ! > that...  How do you do backups?  >p >tB 	How cool is that?  A VMS user in Jacksonville here with me? We'll: probably not that big of a deal,  but still.  Anyways,  itE passes the initial memory tests.  I've run a few other tests (I don't C remember which ones),  but I'm pretty sure it passed the T 10,  and-E SCSI tests.  I'll re-check today.   I just got this unit,  so I don'tiG have any backups.  Actually, the company I got it from kept pretty goodaG backs (now,  the question is,  did they do full system backups,  or usegD user data backs).   My buddy at the company is looking for the 5.5-2A installs TK50's (and has a TK50 for me to have).  I'll re-run theh! tests today and post the results.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:30:40 GMTm From: maxx13@my-deja.com' Subject: Need help on License questions ) Message-ID: <8sfafh$lkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  1 I support a standalone VAXstation 3100 M38 with au- 5-user license.  Someone from my organization - gave me a VAX-VMS 10-user license PAK they noi- longer need, and I would like to add it to myo* system.  This license came from a VAX 3300/ machine that resided in a cluster.  The licenseM/ shows a Activity Table Code of C, which I found - out means a cluster license restricted to oneh( node in the cluster.  My VAX-VMS license1 currently on the system is for a VAX Workstation.e  0 I registered this new PAK on my system, and when( it asked me if I was restricting it to a/ particular cluster member, I answered NO (sincee0 mine will automatically default to my standalone/ 3100), but when I tried loading it, it said VAXc1 VMS was already loaded.  When I list the licenses 0 on my system, it lists the old and the new.  Can+ I even use this license on my system?  If I)1 unload the original user license, can I then load  this one?  Thanks.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:39:00 +1000R/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>x% Subject: Re: Newbie DEBUGger questionn2 Message-ID: <veyG5.39670$O7.493922@ozemail.com.au>  8 JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39EA63AB.7260166B@videotron.ca...; > Can't seem to do what I would expect is a very easy task.f >, > Character cell mode debugger.  >kI > Once one has SET MODE SCREEN, but prior to starting execution, how doesl one G > display the source code of another module so that one can set a breakn point on > a line in that module ?s You can SET BREAK <modulename>C then GO and STEP/INTO the relevant module to find your line number,aE this sets the debugger SCOPE to that module so you can examine stuff.eG If your source is not in the same place as it was when it was compiled,c> you may have to SET SOURCE <path> so the debugger can find it,* also look at SHOW MODULE * and SHOW SCOPE. Phil >gK > eg: I want execution to be stopped when it reaches a certain line of code  in aB > routine which is in a different compilation unit than the "main"
 routine's,J > and I want to set that break point prior to execution beginning. Is this > possible ? >n > I have tried dif   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 04:29:04 -0400h- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n% Subject: Re: Newbie DEBUGger questionp+ Message-ID: <39EABC45.AE79FBE@videotron.ca>e   Tim Shoppa wrote:.J > 1. Do SET SCOPE ANOTHERMODULE.  Then you can do a TYPE nn:mm to find the> > line you want to debug, and then a SET BREAK %LINE whatever.  K According to the manual, SCOPE is used to allow you to walk up the stack to-M your calling routines. I want to walk down to routines that have not yet been@L caled so I can insert breakpoints before they happen. Debug complains when I9 try to SET SCOPE to a module that hasn't been called yet.d  1 > HELP from inside the debugger *is* your friend!p  K Well, I toyed with the book (on-line help is too slow in debug), but didn'tVG find it. I was under the impression the SET MODULE would have magicallyaD transported me to the source come of the specified module, but NOT !   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:39:36 -0000 % From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy)t% Subject: Re: Newbie DEBUGger questiony/ Message-ID: <sulj6obbldcve6@news.supernews.com>i  . JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  M > Well, I toyed with the book (on-line help is too slow in debug), but didn'tfI > find it. I was under the impression the SET MODULE would have magicallyxF > transported me to the source come of the specified module, but NOT !  ) "SET MODULE" == "LOAD MODULE INTO MEMORY"    ok dpmp -- a3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ - systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.compC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)fC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:Murphy_DavidP@emc.com        (work)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:44:05 -0200 ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt Subject: OpenVMS + SAPL Message-ID: <OFA65ED9F9.1B7D13A7-ON8325697A.00564E62@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I Anyone using OpenVMS as a "front-end" to the SAP environment ? Example: ah Cognos basedA application (Web or terminal based ) to access the SAP database ?h   Regardso  
 Fabio Cardosod   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:01:55 -0400 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated productsD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001016080155.009f1380@discovery.fuentez.com>   Hi VMS Colleagues,  F First....having been out of town, I am just trying to catch up on thisD thread, so apologies if the discussion has moved on and this post is already a moot point.t  J The comments quoted in the post by Hunter are really disturbing and I hopeG they do not reflect a widespread trend. I have been an active member ofcF both the VMS and the Linux/Unix community for a long time. To me, openI source is open source and  platform independence means ALL platforms, notfI just those you are inclined to support (either from a technical, personal-I or religious bias). It is very disappointing to see this sort of attitude<K in the "supposedly" open software community. If developers (such as Hunter)5K in the OpenVMS community take the time and effort to write quality code forpF VMS, then I would expect that the open source community would actively. support merging this code into their CVS tree.     I I know that on the VMS side, (at least from my limited experience) I have*H not seen this sort of attitude (despite all the vms vs unix vs M$ Jihads that rage from time to time).   I However, maybe things are changing. My own experiences are not so current*I since (due to my new job) I have not been actively involved in any recent*G "VMS related" projects. But, in all the VMS teams I have worked with, IgK have experienced only a good committment to cross-platform support for open*I source projects. For example, in 1994-5-6 when Johannes Plass (along with*J Martin Zinser, myself, and several others) "re-developed" and improved TimD Theissen's Ghostview on VMS we were committed to full cross platformE support and (soon after it was released on VMS) a Linux/Unix port was I developed and released. Contributions from myself and other VMS people to0D development, testing, and portability have also been welcomed by the Ghostscript and team.     F AFAIK more recent and ongoing projects (such as SAMBA, Perl, openssl),K involving VMS have not received the same sorts of negative comments against 6 incorporating VMS code into the open source CVS trees.  H (John Malmberg, Eckart Meyer, Richard Levitte and Dan Sugalski can speak for themselves)   H In my own case, when I opened discussions with members of the PostgresqlJ development team about a VMS port of that RDBMS, they wrote me back with aK very cooperative tone saying something like..., "We think it's a nasty portEH and are not going to take it on ourselves, but if you want to port it toJ VMS and put the code in CVS....have at it and we'll try to help as much as
 possible."  K I sincerely hope this anti-vms (or anti Mac or anti anything) bias is not a2B trend among open source developers, otherwise, I am going to writeG Professor Stallman and ask him if he now has an endowed chair from someN$ "proprietary source of funding". :-)   Just my .02    Regards,   Jim   ( At 09:12 PM 10/11/2000 -0500, you wrote:I >O.k. I went on Deja and dug up Hunter's earlier post. It's from a thread F >titled, "Is 'The GNU on VMS Project' dead?" and its from 16-May-2000. > 2 >Here's the text of that post, in it's entirety... >6A >On Sun, 14 May 2000 00:22:08 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian   >Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote: >0 >>K >>I'm just really tired of all the complaints that the problem is that VMS  J >>just doesn't do it the eunuchs way so it is somehow faulted.  The *REAL*K >>problem is the "blinders on" bias placed on these packages by the eunuchs J >>zealots that author them.  If Stallman and his crowd really wanted to beJ >>on platforms other than eunuchs, you'd find the GNUgly code written withI >>a little more consideration for and acknowledgement of other platforms.M >>D >As one of the original GNU porters way back when (I did a number of? >the first Alpha ports that were on the DECUS Starter Kit CD or06 >whatever it was called), I thought I'd chime in here. >0F >Release after release, I'd diligently reapply my VMS modifications toD >the GNU sources.  I finally contacted the maintainers of sed, grep,G >and a couple of others, offering my mods for inclusion in the sources.PB >The same mods were necessary every time, so inserting them in the9 >actual source distribution one time would have sufficed.  >0C >The replies I received were basically along the lines of, "I won't05 >include the changes because I don't care about VMS."  > 5 >Fine, said I.  I haven't ported a GNU utility since.  > C >RE: speed of programs, where I saw the biggest slowdown in sed and F >grep and friends was that the utilities were generally to write out aD >line by using fwrite() to write, say, 80 1-byte items.  By changing; >that for VMS to writing 1 80-byte item, output was sped up. >considerably. >9 >T >Hunter5 >[End of text] >nC >So, if you're volunteering to maintain the archive of Gnu softwaret& >that's been ported to VMS, excellent! >VI >Just be aware, that with every new Gnu release of a program, you'll have* >to re-apply the changes.  >  >--  >David J. Dachtera >dba DJE Systems >http://www.djesys.com/o > ; >Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:n  >http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ >sG >This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postingsD >is to be expected.  > A >Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  > G >However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are  >strongly discouraged. >08 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions-/7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems* Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAc  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235c Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com .        jhjennis@shentel.netu& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:33:52 +0100r0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products* Message-ID: <39EB2DF0.95580175@uk.sun.com>  = I for one am unsurprised that there appears to be widespread S; disinterest in supporting OpenVMS in the GNU/Free software o8 community. After all you can hardly expect much support < from a community whose prefered methods and tools have been 4 so comprehensively trashed by posters to this group.  5 On one hand you get people saying things like, C/C++ -6 Linux/UNIX UUUUUUKKKKKKKK only a braindead programmer 6 would contemplate using any of the above while at the 5 same time whining because the same programmers don't .8 show due deferance to the almighty OpenVMS by including % support for it in their source code. I  8 While not defensible this attitude might be less stupid : if people were developing large amounts for free software : on OpenVMS, (in other words if you had anything to trade) 9 but you don't the people who have the code are the those d> terrible C hackers who use some strain of UNIX as a preference7 to OpenVMS. It might be better all round if people who o< want more software (free or otherwise) on OpenVMS remembered: this and took a slightly less, we know it all and you are   doing it totally wrong attitude.   Its just a thought.   ; And while you are thinking about that, it is also pointlessZ> making comparisons between say Linux/Solaris/HP-UX and OpenVMSB in terms of things like the availability of free/cheap compilers. C These three OS's are well supported by SW developers and have less  < need for code to be ported to them, the ports are generally  done by default.  = What you have to accept is that OpenVMS is trying to recover a< ground lost to the other major OS's and if that means CompaqD has to give the compilers away for free while OpenVMS's competitors > don't then that is simply the price that Compaq has to pay to  get back into the market.      Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 14:44:44 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)a( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products+ Message-ID: <lLe$D1P8Lzvv@eisner.decus.org>-  ] In article <39EB2DF0.95580175@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:U > ? > I for one am unsurprised that there appears to be widespread  = > disinterest in supporting OpenVMS in the GNU/Free software o: > community. After all you can hardly expect much support > > from a community whose prefered methods and tools have been 6 > so comprehensively trashed by posters to this group. > 7 > On one hand you get people saying things like, C/C++  8 > Linux/UNIX UUUUUUKKKKKKKK only a braindead programmer 8 > would contemplate using any of the above while at the 7 > same time whining because the same programmers don't o: > show due deferance to the almighty OpenVMS by including ' > support for it in their source code. h  C Andrew, I would discount that as a reason because none of the postseC saying "most free software is junk" have provoked a response sayingeB "no it isn't".  Why some individual might read the first statementD and just retreat back to Unixland, I cannot believe that _all_ would do so.  G I conclude that comp.os.vms posts do not get read by many Unix boosters@ other than yourself.   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:40:36 GMTd2 From: vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com (Vinnie Saladino)& Subject: OpenVMS System Login Question, Message-ID: <39eb2148.13264333@news.ggn.net>  A I have an Alpha running OpenVMS V 7.1-2.  If I reach the maxuserstE limit on the License, isn't the "SYSTEM" account still able to log inr to administer the machine ?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:11:24 -0400t# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>o* Subject: RE: OpenVMS System Login QuestionD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD853@berry.mvpsi.com>  * You can still log in on OPA0, the console.   > -----Original Message-----F > From: vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com [mailto:vincent.saladino@gsxxi.com]) > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:41 AMb > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come( > Subject: OpenVMS System Login Question >  > C > I have an Alpha running OpenVMS V 7.1-2.  If I reach the maxuserssG > limit on the License, isn't the "SYSTEM" account still able to log in  > to administer the machine ?  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:56:49 +0200n- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>  Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS3 Message-ID: <39EAED01.2866B84F@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>e   David Mathog wrote:t >  > 3 > Here are the directions for building ghostscript.t > P > 1. download the pieces from  http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/aladdin/get601.htmlH >   (they may be up to 602 by now, in which case it should build as is.) > # > 2. gunzip and tar -xf these bits.' > A >     ghostscript-6.01.tar.gz, Ghostscript sources, 3408474 bytest< >     jpegsrc.v6b.tar.gz, JPEG library sources, 613261 bytes? >     libpng-1.0.5.tar.gz, LIBPNG library sources, 299401 bytest; >     zlib-1.1.3.tar.gz, ZLIB library sources, 168463 bytesw& >     ghostscript-fonts-std-6.0.tar.gz > 6 >   So that your final directory structure looks like: > 8 > Directory PRGDISK:[SHARED.PROGRAMS.GHOSTSCRIPT.GS6_01] > I > BIN.DIR;1           DOC.DIR;1           EXAMPLES.DIR;1      FONTS.DIR;1 G > JPEG-6B.DIR;1       LIB.DIR;1           LIBPNG-1_0_5.DIR;1  MAN.DIR;1-: > OBJ.DIR;1           SRC.DIR;1           ZLIB-1_1_3.DIR;1 > M >   Mostly that means doing the tar -xf in the GS6_01 directory, but you needfK >   to unpack the fonts into [.lib]. (Not the top directory, as for earlieru >   gs distributions.)    B The fonts can be unpacked anywhere on the system. Make the logical* GS_LIB point to this directory (see below)E This makes updating easier, because GS updates are more frequent thani
 font updates.h     > @ > 3. modify [.src]openvms.mak to enable precompiled type 1 fonts > F > 4. modify [.src]openvms.mmk, change "libpng-1_0_3" to "libpng-1_0_5" > L > 5. mmk/descrip=[.src]openvms.mmk/macro=("DECWINDOWS1_2=1")/ignore=warnings > J >    it will all build, there will be some warnings, none of which seem to >    affect it's operation.i > , > 6.  This step is needed to read PDF files: >  >     $ set def [.lib]F >     $ wget "http://www.ozemail.com.au/~geoffk/pdfencrypt/pdf_sec.ps". >     (or use any other method to download it) > K > 7. Use the regular fontmap.gs file, not the fontmap.vms file, because thelM >    latter will break if you install DECwindows with the 7.3 upgrade becaused0 >    (apparently) the XDPS fonts are going away. > % > 8. In sylogin.com or login.com add:0 > / >    $ define gs_lib disk:[dir.ghostscript.lib].  D For general location of the fonts this should read ( if you unpacked the fonts in disk:[dir.fonts].@      $ define gs_lib disk:[dir.ghostscript.lib],disk:[dir.fonts]    / >    $ define gs_exe disk:[dir.ghostscript.bin]  >    $ gs:==$gs_exe:gs >  > and it should work for you.d >    --    > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum essen  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansenh 		 d   joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nld  E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  dddddddbF   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     ddlG   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     ddoF   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 08:43:00 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)- Subject: Re: pthread and 7.3+ Message-ID: <7FmYdJqaviIp@eisner.decus.org>o  a In article <eHIOM6wNAHA.319@cpmsnbbsa09>, "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> writes:e< > We'll see how much I get slapped around for this one . . .  C Well, it is your computer, and you can do anything you want, but...n  H > Anyone know if applying (eco) vms721_update-v0100 to OpenVMS 7.3 (wellH > actually to E7.3) is a good idea (or at least the pthead patch that it2 > incorporates, vms721_pthread-v0100 - I believe).  J It is never a good idea to install a patch on the wrong system.  It should8 not even be possible, but sometimes they get that wrong.  M > . . . I wanted to put COM on it but that requires a half dozen other thingseG > and after spending pretty much all weekend on getting this set-up I'msK > getting tired and a bit sloppy. Anyway (being tired and sloppy) I figuredfG > I'll upgrade it to 7.3 (well - E7.3) and maybe I'll get lucky and thee/ > pthread fix will have been incorporated . . .h  L VMS V7.3 is not released yet.  By E7.3, I presume you mean the first 7.3 SDKN (since they have not even released the second yet).  SDKs are bound to be lessD stable than the real thing, so it seems foolish to expect otherwise.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:17:09 -0500d* From: "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca>& Subject: read logicals on another node/ Message-ID: <WZEG5.374$xW4.15497@news1.mts.net>   I I need to be able to read and set logicals in the system table on anothertI node.  Or create a table that can would be used as a single entity across:A the cluster.  Is this possible? Am I maybe using the wrong table?t  F I'm moving from a single VAX to two clustered Alphas (VMS 7.2-1).  TheJ production box runs my scheduling program/batch updates/reports ect... TheL test box has the tape drive.  When I run the backup, I set a logical to trueD upon successful completion.  My scheduling program needs to see this logical.   Mark-S.n   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:30:33 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node. Message-ID: <8sf6up$asm$3@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <WZEG5.374$xW4.15497@news1.mts.net>, "Mark-Simon Pope"e <mpope@bristol.ca> writes: s  K > I need to be able to read and set logicals in the system table on anothereK > node.  Or create a table that can would be used as a single entity acrosshC > the cluster.  Is this possible? Am I maybe using the wrong table?   / Cluster-wide logicals were introduced recently.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:39:34 +0100 & From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node* Message-ID: <39EB2136.9CBA31EB@Compaq.com>   Mark-Simon Pope wrote:  K > I need to be able to read and set logicals in the system table on anotherpK > node.  Or create a table that can would be used as a single entity acrosspC > the cluster.  Is this possible? Am I maybe using the wrong table?w > H > I'm moving from a single VAX to two clustered Alphas (VMS 7.2-1).  TheL > production box runs my scheduling program/batch updates/reports ect... TheN > test box has the tape drive.  When I run the backup, I set a logical to trueF > upon successful completion.  My scheduling program needs to see this
 > logical.  M Check out the cluster-wide logical names in the new features part of VMS 7.2. ; (see e.g. $ help v72_features programming_features cluster)h  	 Roy Omondn Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:40:27 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> * Subject: RE: read logicals on another nodeD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD850@berry.mvpsi.com>  * OpenVMS has clusterwide logical names now.   Try:  % $ DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$CLUSTER name valuel   Then you can do:  % $ SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=LNM$CLUSTER nameo   from any node in the cluster.u     > -----Original Message-----1 > From: Mark-Simon Pope [mailto:mpope@bristol.ca]e) > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:17 AM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comt( > Subject: read logicals on another node >  >  > ; > I need to be able to read and set logicals in the system r > table on another> > node.  Or create a table that can would be used as a single  > entity acrossmC > the cluster.  Is this possible? Am I maybe using the wrong table?. > H > I'm moving from a single VAX to two clustered Alphas (VMS 7.2-1).  The2 > production box runs my scheduling program/batch  > updates/reports ect... The? > test box has the tape drive.  When I run the backup, I set a   > logical to trueaF > upon successful completion.  My scheduling program needs to see this
 > logical. > 	 > Mark-S.o >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:48:19 GMTh/ From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>b* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node) Message-ID: <8sf801$j51$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  D a) I believe that VMS 7.2 may have system wide logical - but I don't use it yet so I could be wrong b) you can use sysman  i.e.	 mc sysmanr set env/clus  do def/table=fred thingy whatsit  C c) there is a freeware program (priv are needed) called remote that C allow users with the correct priv and proxies set up to run commandt( ona  remote node from a DCL command line e.g. remote node01 sho def  9 Hope this helps - (a) would probably be best if it existsO   Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:11:48 -0500t* From: "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca>* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node/ Message-ID: <9NFG5.376$xW4.15548@news1.mts.net>m  7 Thank you, I see I'm going to need my new manuals......f    0 "John Vottero" <John@MVPSI.com> wrote in message> news:C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD850@berry.mvpsi.com..., > OpenVMS has clusterwide logical names now. >a > Try: >r' > $ DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$CLUSTER name valuef >t > Then you can do: >o' > $ SHOW LOGICAL/TABLE=LNM$CLUSTER name  >w > from any node in the cluster.n >r >  > > -----Original Message-----3 > > From: Mark-Simon Pope [mailto:mpope@bristol.ca]s+ > > Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 11:17 AMo > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como* > > Subject: read logicals on another node > >c > >  > >s< > > I need to be able to read and set logicals in the system > > table on another? > > node.  Or create a table that can would be used as a single  > > entity acrossgE > > the cluster.  Is this possible? Am I maybe using the wrong table?u > >.J > > I'm moving from a single VAX to two clustered Alphas (VMS 7.2-1).  The3 > > production box runs my scheduling program/batche > > updates/reports ect... The@ > > test box has the tape drive.  When I run the backup, I set a > > logical to true8H > > upon successful completion.  My scheduling program needs to see this > > logical. > >c > > Mark-S.  > >T > >n > >  >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:40:55 GMTu! From: "dls2" <dlshearer@home.com>V# Subject: Strange installation aborth< Message-ID: <rHCG5.64657$ib7.8850965@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com>  7 I've been unsuccessfully trying to get Hobbyist OpenVMSD7 loaded onto an Alpha I have.  However, I keep getting ao: repeatably strange installation abort every time I attempt* to install.  The following is what occurs:   ...." > Will this system be a member of an OpenVMS Cluster? (Yes/No) n@ Will this system be an instance in an OpenVMS Galaxy? (Yes/No) n    A     You can install the following products along with the OpenVMSp     operating system:   ,         o DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Alpha'         o DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Alphag) %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for & DKA0:[000000]AXPVMS$PCSI_TEMP_HELP.TEM P;*e -RMS-E-FNF, file not found- %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for !ASe    <     Installation has been terminated by an unexpected error.  0     The installation has not completed normally.  A     You should correct the situation which caused the termination+/     and then re-do the installation or upgrade.t  L %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DKA0:[000000]VMS$DEF00000025.PCF;* -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundH %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DKA0:[000000]AXPVMS$PLAT.TMP;* -RMS-E-FNF, file not found) %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching forg& DKA0:[000000]AXPVMS$PCSI_TEMP_HELP.TEM P;*  -RMS-E-FNF, file not found>   Process AXPVMS_INSTALL logged out at 16-OCT-2000 08:18:14.99   Press Return to continue..."  5 Since this error is repeatable, is it suggestive of am1 defective hard drive?  (SCSI Quantum Fireball SE)b   How can I test the hard drive?  2 DIAGNOSE is unavailable from the installation DCL,( and ANALYSIS/ERROR and ANALYSIS/MEDIA do6 not seem to be currently in favor, nor have I had much3 success when I did attempt to use them, not knowing 4 quite how to use them, or what to expect when I did.     appreciatively,i   --  Derrick Shearern   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:20:17 -0500i7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>g' Subject: Re: Strange installation abort - Message-ID: <39EB0091.6B3E67F8@earthlink.net>    dls2 wrote:h > 9 > I've been unsuccessfully trying to get Hobbyist OpenVMSw9 > loaded onto an Alpha I have.  However, I keep getting am< > repeatably strange installation abort every time I attempt, > to install.  The following is what occurs: >  > ...."l@ > Will this system be a member of an OpenVMS Cluster? (Yes/No) nB > Will this system be an instance in an OpenVMS Galaxy? (Yes/No) n > C >     You can install the following products along with the OpenVMSs >     operating system:r > . >         o DECwindows Motif for OpenVMS Alpha) >         o DECnet-Plus for OpenVMS Alphae+ > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching forc( > DKA0:[000000]AXPVMS$PCSI_TEMP_HELP.TEM > P;*  > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found/ > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for !ASv > > >     Installation has been terminated by an unexpected error. > 2 >     The installation has not completed normally. > C >     You should correct the situation which caused the terminationt1 >     and then re-do the installation or upgrade.w > N > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DKA0:[000000]VMS$DEF00000025.PCF;* > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundJ > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching for DKA0:[000000]AXPVMS$PLAT.TMP;* > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found+ > %DELETE-W-SEARCHFAIL, error searching forc( > DKA0:[000000]AXPVMS$PCSI_TEMP_HELP.TEM > P;*n > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found@ >   Process AXPVMS_INSTALL logged out at 16-OCT-2000 08:18:14.99 >  > Press Return to continue..." > 7 > Since this error is repeatable, is it suggestive of al3 > defective hard drive?  (SCSI Quantum Fireball SE)i >   > How can I test the hard drive? > 4 > DIAGNOSE is unavailable from the installation DCL,* > and ANALYSIS/ERROR and ANALYSIS/MEDIA do8 > not seem to be currently in favor, nor have I had much5 > success when I did attempt to use them, not knowing 6 > quite how to use them, or what to expect when I did. >  > appreciatively,n >   --  Derrick Shearere  ? I've experienced a similar problem trying to install on anothero non-"DEC" disk.n  C Don't know if that helps, but that's the only clue I have to offer.i   -- t David J. Dachterau dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:19:46 -07006+ From: "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> 2 Subject: SUMMARY:  installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001016101318.00abb390@poptop.llnl.gov>   Thanks for the help.H The problem was solved by installing a SCSI CD-ROM. I still find it odd I that the system recognized the CD-ROM, would start to boot from it,  and o" then fail after reading some data. Oh well, such is the comp biz.9                                                rich frank.J --------------------------------------------------------------------------      > > Greetings,xL  > > I've got a 433 au (Personal Workstation) that was AlphaNT. I've loaded  the L  > > latest firmware (VMS PALcode 1.20-16) and have the SRM console (>>>) upH  > > and OStype set to VMS. There are 2 scsi hdd's on the system (id 0 &.  > > 1). The cd appears to be ide using ATAPI.I  > > When I try to load VMS 7.2-1 by booting the cdrom it starts to boot,o writes0  > > "... Open VMS 7.2-1..." to the screen then,K  > > "init_io_db_cfg_dev_not_found A device on the boot line or in BOOT_DEV8H  > > cannot be found in the config tables... ignoring the device... not  loadingi  > > the driver."o  > >N  > > The system then halts, starts to reboot and repeats this message forever.  > >   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:28:20 +0100s0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39EB3AB4.A221D9E5@uk.sun.com>   kparris@my-deja.com wrote: > I > I don't get to read this newsgroup very often, but just had to clear up 6 > some incorrect postings and innuendos in this topic.  @ > 4 outages of 1-2 hours each over 3 days.  No hardware problems  > involved.  No 22-hour outages. > 7 Sorry I snipped you long posting the gist of which was ]5 the despite your suggestions you don't actually know S1 what caused eTrades outages despite the rambling..  9 We do know what caused eBays 22 hour outage and it wasn't ; either Sun supplied HW, SW or anything that a Sun engineer t: did. So your 4 1-2 hour outages over 3 days may or may not9 have been caused by Compaq but the 22 hour outage at eBayi< wasn't caused by Sun so you should not be trying to compare  the two.  5 You also use as evidence that it could not have been p4 Compaqs fault the fact that eTrade have bought more / OpenVMS boxes, how very ironic since eBay have a* done the same with Sun, buying more boxes.  4 The OpenVMS bigots on this group choose to use that : piece of information as evidence of a Sun/eBay conspiracy,< if I choose to do the same with respect to Compaq and eTrade+ am I any more guilty than them ??????????? l  4 Incedentally I don't have a view either way but its 3 very revealing that no one on this group is honest s< enough to admit that there would be just as much if not more; foundation to a eTrades outages show that "OpenVMS sucks asf8 a server OS" FUD campaign as there was for the Sun/eBay 
 FUD campaign.e  H > > So will Compaq admit that eTrade's outage was caused by Compaq ????? > 3 > Of course not.  The evidence indicates it wasn't.d > ? No you havn't actually presented any evidence to show this, in .@ fact you have said and I quote "The actual causes of the outagesB on the two subsequent days is the subject of disagreement to this  day among people I respect."  < This hardly constitutes evidence that eTrades outage was not8 caused by Compaq. Its also interesting because Sun eBay ; and their software suppliers know what caused their outage.   < Again if I was following in the FUD footsteps of the OpenVMS< boosters on this group I would say, what do you mean people < are still arguing about what caused the outage. How can you : take OpenVMS seriously as a Server OS if you still cannot > definitivly tell us why the system hung, thats no better than  NT. :):):):):) See how it goes.      RegardsH Andrew Harrisont Enterprise IT Architectd   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:51:50 +0100 & From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile * Message-ID: <39EACFB5.29391BD4@Compaq.com>   Paul Sture wrote:.   > [... snip snip ...]  > G > I have found it interesting to read in this thread of folks my age or-I > older who actually studied Computer Science. IIRC there was only one CS-C > course available in the UK in my time (at Loughborough - this waso= > 1973), although computing facilities were available at mosts@ > universities for those studying science / engineering / maths.   Not true at all, Paul !s  I I started off in Chemistry (1971) at Newcastle, but quickly got hooked onsI the CS path, which was certainly offered at quite a few places (NewcastledI included).  I then transferred to Edinburgh eventually finishing in 1978.tB CS was available at least at St.Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Leeds,G Manchester, UMIST, and I'm sure quite a few of the London universities.-  E Now, what *really* was quite rare at that time was a degree course inyH Artificial Intelligence (as far as I remember, only Edinburgh and Sussex* did this as far back as the early 1980's).  @ Scotland was very probably a good bit more advanced than England? in those days;  I remember doing programming courses in Fortran < and Algol 60 as part of my Maths course at *school* in 1969.@ I don't think English schools started until some time mid-1970's IIRC.t  	 Roy Omondl Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)B   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:19:09 +0100e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>s+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilel) Message-ID: <39EB1C6D.14968CD3@bbc.co.uk>-   Roy Omond wrote:   > Paul Sture wrote:: >0 > > [... snip snip ...]o > >eI > > I have found it interesting to read in this thread of folks my age orWK > > older who actually studied Computer Science. IIRC there was only one CSaE > > course available in the UK in my time (at Loughborough - this waso? > > 1973), although computing facilities were available at mostsB > > universities for those studying science / engineering / maths. >X > Not true at all, Paul !M >.K > I started off in Chemistry (1971) at Newcastle, but quickly got hooked oncK > the CS path, which was certainly offered at quite a few places (NewcastlelK > included).  I then transferred to Edinburgh eventually finishing in 1978.sD > CS was available at least at St.Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Leeds,I > Manchester, UMIST, and I'm sure quite a few of the London universities.R >r  D I concur, there was a CS dept at Bristol Uni whan I started in 1980,D admittedly it was tacked on to the matcs dept but they had a Multics and taught CS degrees.    --:6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofi MedAS or the BBC.t   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:33:47 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)( Subject: Trouble getting RA82 to work...3 Message-ID: <8sf74r$q19$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>1  N We bought some RA disks from IU surplus to replace some of our ailing disks inI our VAX 4000/200.  The RA81 disk works find (yee whoo!) but we are having L trouble with the 2 RA82s.  According to the manual we have, one gives "Idle 8 diagnostics failed" and the other give "Spindle error".   K I've not tried hooking up the serial port yet...will I need a null modem tos hook it up to a VT220?   Thanks!o
 Brian Wheeler  bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:52:19 -0700 + From: "Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com>e, Subject: Re: Trouble getting RA82 to work...( Message-ID: <39EB4053.AB9073E3@mmaz.com>  N Brian, I received the same 'Spindle Error' last fall and it was a problem withP belts being shot, they are stretched and cracked.  I replaced them and the drive fired up...-   Barry-   Brian Wheeler wrote:  P > We bought some RA disks from IU surplus to replace some of our ailing disks inK > our VAX 4000/200.  The RA81 disk works find (yee whoo!) but we are havingvM > trouble with the 2 RA82s.  According to the manual we have, one gives "IdleE9 > diagnostics failed" and the other give "Spindle error".C >TM > I've not tried hooking up the serial port yet...will I need a null modem toe > hook it up to a VT220? >n	 > Thanks!t > Brian Wheelera > bdwheele@indiana.edu   --  ? Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOi  A E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 13:53:26 +0200a- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>s& Subject: Very long filenames in VMSTAR3 Message-ID: <39EB0856.1BFEBBDC@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>o   Hi  @ Trying to unpack the tar-ball of StarOffice, I got an error from
 VMSTAR-3.3-9:l tar: error creating < [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS0 ]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL tar: error writing filee8 [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADD4 RESS]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL  " Probably the filename is too long. Is there a way around???                   Jouk -- .  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum essee  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansenl 		 w   joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl   E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  dddddddeF   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     ddpF   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   dddddddt  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:01:53 +0200e5 From: Oswald Knoppers <Oswald.Knoppers@whitehouse.nl>e* Subject: Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR- Message-ID: <39EAEE31.BBF61B6E@whitehouse.nl>    Jouk Jansen wrote: >  > Hi > B > Trying to unpack the tar-ball of StarOffice, I got an error from > VMSTAR-3.3-9:r > tar: error creatingM> > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS2 > ]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL > tar: error writing fileB: > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADD6 > RESS]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL  , I think you are one directory level to deep.   Oswald   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:33:03 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> * Subject: Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR) Message-ID: <39EB3BCF.1B1D005C@bbc.co.uk>e   Jouk Jansen wrote:   > Hi >lB > Trying to unpack the tar-ball of StarOffice, I got an error from > VMSTAR-3.3-9:m > tar: error creatingb> > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS2 > ]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL > tar: error writing file : > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADD6 > RESS]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL > $ > Probably the filename is too long. > Is there a way around???  H Using ODS-5 filesystem instead of ODS-2 allows deeper directory nesting.   >-    ---6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukm  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofo MedAS or the BBC.I   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 08:55:57 -0400v0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com> Subject: Re: VMS ISP? D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001016085557.014b2d70@discovery.fuentez.com>  & At 03:14 PM 10/13/2000 GMT, you wrote:? >Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local)a >gA >If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at aM: >disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be a/ >disadvantage, but are there technical reasons?    Hi VMS Collegues...I    9 One of the largest ones in the Southeast US (Info Avenue)R   http://www.infoave.net/   K uses VMS/OSU httpd for almost all their key WEB services as well as runningh their business!!!    <blatant plug>J We are very partial to them because (not only do they use OVMS), but we doE a lot of their development work for them (on OVMS, Tru64 and Windoze)L </blatant plug>   J They are also an ICANN certified Domain Name registrar. We just deployed aC WEB E-Commerce application for them to manage top level domain nameE registration for them.   http://www.iaregistry.com/  J It runs on both Tru64 and OVMS. We wanted to write it all on VMS (they didG also) but the RRP/API to NSI's master domain name database was not (and 5 probably will never be) ported to VMS. (this was/is ae@ technical/political/economic hurdle to a 100% pure VMS solution)  B We could have done the port to VMS but it would have required moreE time/programming than they were willing to invest along with a lot ofIJ political negotiations with NSI... :-( Oh well...90% of their operation is on OVMS.   Regards,   Jim 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions--7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.08 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemse Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAl  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235o Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com y        jhjennis@shentel.netv& WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:05:35 GMT  From: gdemont@my-deja.com)# Subject: Re: VMS Pascal 5.7 vs. gpc ) Message-ID: <8sf5fp$gso$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Larry Kilgallen:  A > The divergence of Pascal dialects was a factor in the hard line ? > people take regarding Ada standardization, even though the USE > DoD is no longer involved.  > The Ada advantage is especially impressive when mixing sources? for DEC Ada (83) and GNAT (95) - you can do *blind* portabilityL; around the common denominator, Ada 83 standard plus DEC Adaa6 pragmas that are recognized by GNAT for all platforms.> About the problem of Pascal dialects and its cure, the orignal poster may want to readi  -   http://members.nbci.com/gdemont/pascada.htmr   Comments welcome! 6 ______________________________________________________6 Gautier  --  http://members.nbci.com/gdemont/gsoft.htm      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 11:21:34 +0200H From: pkassapi@panafon.gr : Subject: VMS Perl v5.6.0 problem with non-StreamLF files??6 Message-ID: <4225697A.00331AF6.00@mailsmtp.panafon.gr>  
 Hello all,  M I came across a problem(?) while using VMS Perl v5.6.0 for the Alpha platformeD when handling non-StreamLF files. Trying to open the following file:  : INPUTFILE.DAT;1                     File ID:  (19764,13,0)0 Size:       211844/211851     Owner:    [SYSTEM]" Created:    2-OCT-2000 14:51:46.52& Revised:    2-OCT-2000 14:54:18.01 (1) Expires:   <None specified>u Backup:    <No backup recorded>h Effective: <None specified>  Recording: <None specified>t File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      OnlineI File attributes:    Allocation: 211851, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0-$                     No version limitG Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 101 bytesu4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:d Access Cntrl List:  None    # with the this perl script (excerpt)e     #! perle #s     $bufsize = 138;      $filename="INPUTFILE.DAT";     open (INPF, $filename) ;O     seek (INPF, -$bufsize, 2) || die "Input file $filename may be corrupted\n";-!     read (INPF, $buf, $bufsize) ;0)     ($trailrec) = $buf =~ /\n(90,.*)\n/ ;<     print ($trailrec);     close (INPF) ;    & the following error message is issued:     $ perl test.pl) Input file INPUTFILE.DAT may be corruptede) %SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name matchg $S    M With the file converted to StreamLF format, however, no problem is enounteredtN and the expected piece of information is printed to SYS$OUTPUT. As I am new toM the OpenVMS Perl, I would like to ask if this behaviour is considered normal.-P Can I, generally, handle non-StreamLF OpenVMS files with Perl??  Any information$ on this issue will be of great help.   Thank you in advance,s
 Panayiotis   -----------  Panayiotis Kassapidis( UNIX/VMS Systems Group Data Center & Support Services PANAFON Services e-mail: pkassapi@panafon.grd   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:46:16 GMT % From: anpa2000 <anpa2000@my-deja.com>o Subject: VMS V7.2-1r) Message-ID: <8sf7s5$j34$1@nnrp1.deja.com>2  @ Im having problems making a fibre connected disk visible to VMS.  5 Have setup a device on an HSG80 with a device id of 1d  : Have setup the wwidmgr stuff at the chevron prompt and can see the device with a show dev.T  ; When I boot the VMS installtion CDROM, VMS is unable to see = my disk on the HSG80. Does anyone else out there have a Fibre1: Channel VMS cluster up and runing with the boot disk on an# HSG80 ?, if so, what have I missed.r   Thanks As  8 P.S have installed all patches for Fibre from the Compaq     websiteo    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.,   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:14:48 +0200 . From: "Gorazd Kikelj" <gorazd.kikelj@aster.si> Subject: Re: VMS V7.2-1s* Message-ID: <8sf9hq$blu$1@goodnews.ijs.si>   Hay,  D Did you set unid index on unit you created? It's mandatory for OVMS.   best, Gorazd Kikeljn    0 anpa2000 <anpa2000@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8sf7s5$j34$1@nnrp1.deja.com... B > Im having problems making a fibre connected disk visible to VMS. > 7 > Have setup a device on an HSG80 with a device id of 1d > < > Have setup the wwidmgr stuff at the chevron prompt and can! > see the device with a show dev.s >o= > When I boot the VMS installtion CDROM, VMS is unable to see ? > my disk on the HSG80. Does anyone else out there have a Fibrea< > Channel VMS cluster up and runing with the boot disk on an% > HSG80 ?, if so, what have I missed.  >i > Thanks > A  >h: > P.S have installed all patches for Fibre from the Compaq
 >     website  >d >e( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:41:37 -0000 - From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer)  Subject: Re: VMS V7.2-1 / Message-ID: <sumbu1rsufpv6a@news.supernews.com>   G anpa2000@my-deja.com (anpa2000) wrote in <8sf7s5$j34$1@nnrp1.deja.com>:e  A >Im having problems making a fibre connected disk visible to VMS.s >r6 >Have setup a device on an HSG80 with a device id of 1 >t; >Have setup the wwidmgr stuff at the chevron prompt and cans  >see the device with a show dev. >n< >When I boot the VMS installtion CDROM, VMS is unable to see> >my disk on the HSG80. Does anyone else out there have a Fibre; >Channel VMS cluster up and runing with the boot disk on and$ >HSG80 ?, if so, what have I missed. >r >Thanks  >A >h9 >P.S have installed all patches for Fibre from the Compaqs >    website >  >o' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.  J I watched one of the first commercial Fibre Channel clusters in the US go H in about nine months ago.  Two nodes, two pair of HSG80's, StorageWorks I RAID Arrays at both ends, and fibre in the middle.  It took a week of an OH on-site tech to get it up.  Suffered from strange behaviour for months. K More research, DEQ engineering involved, ...  Finally determined it was an  J invalid configuration; re-arranged some fibres, tweaked a few params, and L now it appears to be right.  Looks like it's still in the domain of "rocket K science" from my perspective; it won't be in the "Quick-Start" manual. And  ) yes, it booted from disk(s) on the HSG80.e   ws   --  3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>n   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:45:32 GMTd% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>o Subject: Re: VMS V7.2-1e) Message-ID: <8sfbba$md2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  ) In article <8sf7s5$j34$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,s(   anpa2000 <anpa2000@my-deja.com> wrote:B > Im having problems making a fibre connected disk visible to VMS. >u7 > Have setup a device on an HSG80 with a device id of 1u >u< > Have setup the wwidmgr stuff at the chevron prompt and can! > see the device with a show dev.  >l= > When I boot the VMS installtion CDROM, VMS is unable to see ? > my disk on the HSG80. Does anyone else out there have a Fibren< > Channel VMS cluster up and runing with the boot disk on an% > HSG80 ?, if so, what have I missed.l  @ Did you follow the instructions from the documents in table-1 on6 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/fibre/  exactly?  # - the HSG80 *MUST* be set to SCSI-3  - you *DO* need the CCLv/ - you *MUST* assign an IDENTIFIER for you unitsd   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 12:24:46 GMTc From: trevor_deja@my-deja.comi1 Subject: Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patchc) Message-ID: <8ses28$8ov$1@nnrp1.deja.com>B   Hi Hoff-  6 In article <8s7u51$4p9$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,&   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:  G >   TCP/IP Services V4.2 is NOT supported on OpenVMS V7.2 and later, on3 OpenVMS4 >   VAX or on OpenVMS Alpha. >rC >   TCP/IP Services V5.0 and later (V5.0A with ECO1 is current) are  recommendediC >   on OpenVMS V7.1 and later, and are required on OpenVMS V7.2 andh	 later, ons% >   OpenVMS VAX and on OpenVMS Alpha.  >y  D Yhis is not the answer is I wanted to here, but thanks for checking.  E The base VAX UCX 4.2 appears to install ok and work ok on VMS 7.2 (ass far as I've tried it).  F The Patch kit UCXVAX_E02042 however does not instal or run (I bypassed% the instal version check to test it).9  D I found the UCXVAX_E02042 patch kit in the VMS 7.2 directory path onE the Compaq patch site.  Under the circumstances I would suggest it ben removed from the VMS 7.2 path.  A It would be helpful if the term 'NOT SUPPORTED' could be enhancedGE (e.g. 'known incompatible with VMS 7.2 on') or an additional catagory E created to clarify those things that just won't work, and those whichi. can continue to be used but at the users risk.   Thanks for the help.   Regards, Trevord   trevor_deja@my-deja.come      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.P   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:19:35 +0100y  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com1 Subject: Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patcheH Message-ID: <OF682283DE.3714AC96-ON8025697A.004883FB@qedi.quintiles.com>  H My understanding of "not supported" in this kind of case has always beenI "it may work or it may not, but you're entirely on your own so don't come4# to us if you find it doesn't work". K This case looks suspiciously like one of the ones where the product breaks.nK It may have a minimum required version statement in the checks for applying  the patch kit.   Steve.  3 Trevor (trevor_deja at my dash deja dot com) wrote:gH >>>The base VAX UCX 4.2 appears to install ok and work ok on VMS 7.2 (as far as I've tried it).  F The Patch kit UCXVAX_E02042 however does not instal or run (I bypassed% the instal version check to test it).-  D I found the UCXVAX_E02042 patch kit in the VMS 7.2 directory path onE the Compaq patch site.  Under the circumstances I would suggest it bei removed from the VMS 7.2 path.  A It would be helpful if the term 'NOT SUPPORTED' could be enhancedrE (e.g. 'known incompatible with VMS 7.2 on') or an additional catagoryrE created to clarify those things that just won't work, and those whichr1 can continue to be used but at the users risk.<<<i   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 10:27:07 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)h1 Subject: Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patchh+ Message-ID: <z9Q1jckNCNNR@eisner.decus.org>t  I In article <8ses28$8ov$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes:g  C > It would be helpful if the term 'NOT SUPPORTED' could be enhanced G > (e.g. 'known incompatible with VMS 7.2 on') or an additional catagory G > created to clarify those things that just won't work, and those whicha0 > can continue to be used but at the users risk.  K But that would require that they perform the testing they were not planning2L on doing.  It "would be helpful" to those unwilling to upgrade to TCPIP 5.x,M but it would be harmful to those waiting for DEQ to spend their time on other 	 projects.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:36:05 GMTa* From: Steven Whatley <swhatley@blkbox.com>. Subject: Re: VT100 history, manuals etc online8 Message-ID: <X%GG5.54576$bI6.1906345@news1.giganews.com>  ! Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:0I > Here's a goody folks. Not only is there a history of VT terminals, but G( > the VT220 Programmer Reference Manual.  J I still have a small collection of ASCII animation files.  VT100 emulatorsJ aren't quite the same since most don't support the double high/double wideF characters.  And most won't fake a 9600 buad or less connection.  With1 those ASCII text files, timing is very important.    Later, Steven   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:18:06 -0000u- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) B Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)/ Message-ID: <sum3guaheni750@news.supernews.com>   < plugh@NO.SPAM.PLEASE (Caveman) wrote in <5FpG5.616$7v5.70164 @nnrp2.sbc.net>:  4 >In article <39d110ed.6066996@news.cableinet.co.uk>,' > <greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk> wrote:  >>F >>Ballistic missiles are ballistic. They use rockets to launch them upH >>through the against-gravity part of the parabola, then point downwardsE >>and free-fall towards the earth in a curve. This means that, by thecH >>time they're close enough to see, they're going far too fast to stop.  >sG >So, you're essentially saying that DoD doesn't have access to anythingl> >which has more accelerative power than the earth's gravity?!? >rE >You might like to discuss that with John Force, the NHRA drag racer.E > @ >Some hunting rifles fire a projectile faster than the free-fall! >velocity of a ballistic missile.F  G Terminal velocity, not "free-fall velocity" applies here.  The missile EJ continues to accelerate due to gravitational forces, until air resistance L is equal to the force of gravity.  At this point the missile continues at a K (relatively) fixed velocity.  In contrast, the bullet travels fastest when s9 it leaves the weapon, and decelerates from that point on.o    
 -- snip --   ws   --  3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:33:24 -0400N4 From: "John L Ferguson" <John.L.Ferguson@compaq.com>( Subject: Re: WebLogic application server6 Message-ID: <8sf3nt$alb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>    Marty Kuhrt wrote in message ...> >When at CETS I picked up one of the Compaq OpenVMS e-BusinessD >Infrastructure CDs.  Someone at one of the many sessions I attendedA >for Java, Apache, COM, etc, stated that the WebLogic application-F >server was on this CD.  They made some mention that they'd put in theG >necessary bits to make it happy in VMSland, so make sure to install it.
 >from the CD.l >@' >Problem is, I can't find it on the CD.l >n? >Did I hear incorrecty, get the wrong CD, or am I just bonkers?- >-   BEA WebLogic in not on the CD.  J The OpenVMS e-Business CD contains Internet or e-Business related software% for OpenVMS Alpha supplied by Compaq:D        - Compaq COM Version 1.1-B@?      - Compaq Secure Web Server V1.0 (based upon Apache 1.3.12)        - Compaq Java 2 SDK v 1.2.2K      - Attunity Connect 3.0 On Platform Package (includes native JDBC, XML,u- ODBC APIs and XML, ODBC, and Oracle8 drivers)d  L This software is also available for download from the OpenVMS web site.  The5 CD is an alternative method of distributing the bits.o  & Additional information can be found at3 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness/index.html.m  
 John Ferguson  OpenVMS eBusinessl   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:11:22 +0100t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> - Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??n) Message-ID: <39EB36BA.A7408BB5@bbc.co.uk>    Paul Sture wrote:I   >cR > Coincidentally, I was just scanning though the V6.2 Release Notes the other day,T > and there was the announcement that of that release, DECnet was no longer required > for a cluster.  L  Yup, that was when LANCP was introduced and MOP was no longer necessary for booting satellites.e --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uko  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.579 ************************