1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 17 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 580       Contents: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.  Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe. B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? Re: best way of deleting files? = Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable) = Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable) = Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)  Cleaning up disk space?  Re: Cleaning up disk space?  Re: Cleaning up disk space?  Re: Cleaning up disk space?  Compaq information Re: Compaq information Re: Compaq information Re: Compaq information" RE: Copying Directories via DecNet	 DCPS v1.8  Re: DSN 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... & Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line# Re: Galaxy/clustering requirements? # Re: Galaxy/clustering requirements? 4 Re: Getting status value's text message (lib$signal) graphics device on 433au Re: graphics device on 433au Re: graphics device on 433au graphics device on 433au Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Halon dump - a data point  Re: Hobby VMS license.... 1 How to determine the best cluster/partition sizes 5 Re: How to determine the best cluster/partition sizes  Re: How to read "SHOW MEM" Re: How to read "SHOW MEM" Re: HSC 50 Question  RE: HSC 50 Question  Re: HSC 50 Question  HSC 50 Question  Re: html on vms : Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?: Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster? LATACCT.EXE  Re: Mail forwarding  Re: Mail forwarding  Re: Mail forwarding $ Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure$ Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure$ Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure Memory allocation problem  Re: Memory allocation problem ) MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done - Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done ) MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done - Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done - Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done - Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done " Re: Need help on License questions" Re: Need help on License questions Re: Newbie DEBUGger question% Re: no MMOV sound on AlphaStation 500  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products , OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations pipe driver documentation   Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet? Re: pthread and 7.3 ! Re: read logicals on another node ! Re: read logicals on another node ! Re: read logicals on another node 7 Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer? - Re: SUMMARY:  installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ? , Re: SUMMARY: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?, Re: SUMMARY: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?, Re: SUMMARY: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?, Re: SUMMARY: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ? Re: SYSMAN can use DECnet , TCP/IP on a vax (3100m76) questions/problems0 Re: TCP/IP on a vax (3100m76) questions/problems0 Re: TCP/IP on a vax (3100m76) questions/problems" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile. Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMS# Re: Trouble getting RA82 to work... # Re: Trouble getting RA82 to work... # Re: Trouble getting RA82 to work... 
 unsubsribe! Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR ! Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR  Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?  Re: VMS in Network World Re: VMS in Network World5 Re: VMS Perl v5.6.0 problem with non-StreamLF files??  Re: VMS V7.2-1( Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patch% Re: VT100 history, manuals etc online 9 Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)  Re: WebLogic application server $ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??$ Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ??  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:37:27 +0000  From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> & Subject: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.' Message-ID: <39EB4AE7.D5D4C153@fsi.net>    BMcN wrote:  > I > Hey! djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson (SysAdmin) you went and wrote message D > <39EB320E.EB8789EF@fsi.net> and forced me to type some nonsense in
 > response...  >  > <snip> > I > >> I was going to use the following as a sig, but how would I attribute 	 > >> it??  > >>7 > >> "I'm vile and pernicious, but you can't look away. B > >>  I'll make you think I'm delicious with the stuff that I say.8 > >>  I'm the best you can get, have you guessed me yet?4 > >>  I'm the slime oozing out of the newsfeed net." > >>& > >> But how would I attibute that? ;) > >  > >Andrew Harrison?  > >  > ) > Excuse the ignorance, but . . . Who he?   F See the thread, "Sun's Bitter Harvest" or something like that. May nowD be "Sun hardware problems persist", though he currently has posts in other active threads.    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:00:47 GMT- From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet-DOT.-be (BMcN) & Subject: Re: 2nd Hand sales in Europe.+ Message-ID: <8FCFD7B0CBMcN@212.100.160.123>   H Hey! djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson (SysAdmin) you went and wrote message C <39EB4AE7.D5D4C153@fsi.net> and forced me to type some nonsense in   response...    >BMcN wrote: >>  J >> Hey! djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson (SysAdmin) you went and wrote messageE >> <39EB320E.EB8789EF@fsi.net> and forced me to type some nonsense in  >> response... >>  	 >> <snip>  >>  J >> >> I was going to use the following as a sig, but how would I attribute
 >> >> it?? >> >> 8 >> >> "I'm vile and pernicious, but you can't look away.C >> >>  I'll make you think I'm delicious with the stuff that I say. 9 >> >>  I'm the best you can get, have you guessed me yet? 5 >> >>  I'm the slime oozing out of the newsfeed net."  >> >> ' >> >> But how would I attibute that? ;)  >> > >> >Andrew Harrison? >> > >>  * >> Excuse the ignorance, but . . . Who he? > G >See the thread, "Sun's Bitter Harvest" or something like that. May now E >be "Sun hardware problems persist", though he currently has posts in  >other active threads. >   E I found the name about 2 minutes after posting that. Didn't put in a  I correction because I wanted to check if cancel msg really worked with my    ISP, as you could see it didn't.  K Andrew may be one of the more "aggressive" posters on this group, but it's  I tame compared to alt. Seemed strange to go and read his post though, Sun  L this, Sun that . . . Seems he doesn't belong on a group for all us "OpenVMS I bigots" ;) I've no problem whatsoever with being called on my loyalty to  K the platform. I *am* biased in favour of OpenVMS, aren't we all? Since the  K original posts are gone from my newsserver I can't comment on where it all  F started. It's probably easy to gloat when a platform with such a high G profile as Sun has a pratfall, if that was (as I suspect) the original  E point, it may have been inappropriate to bring it up here. Nearly as  / inappropriate as Andrew attacking OpenVMS here!    --  + Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be   - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')  - F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:49:56 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? * Message-ID: <39EB7804.8DA7B3C9@oracle.com>  7 I understand that this is a (somewhat minor) bug in the : SHOW SYSTEM command.  The UIC was moved from one structure7 to another but not all the code learned about.  Nothing ) to get too concerned about in most cases.    Bruce Vinson wrote:  > & > Didn't notice that before. Not good! >  > Bruce  >  > Peter Weaver wrote:  > > > > > "Bruce Vinson" <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> wrote in message/ > > news:39E7201E.80E84AAF@email.sps.mot.com... N > > > I can't help with the problem, but we are running a cluster of ES40's onJ > > > VMS 7.2-1 with those ECOs installed, and have not seen any problems, > > > bugchecks or otherwise.  > > L > > Try doing a SHOW SYSTEM/FULL and see if every uic shows as [0,0]. If youI > > remove DEC AXPVMS VMS721_SYS V6.0 then the UIC will be correct again.    --  < norm lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685% reply to: norman.lastovica@oracle.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:53:30 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? ' Message-ID: <G2Jrp6.1Iq@spcuna.spc.edu>   4 norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com> writes:9 > I understand that this is a (somewhat minor) bug in the < > SHOW SYSTEM command.  The UIC was moved from one structure9 > to another but not all the code learned about.  Nothing + > to get too concerned about in most cases.   D   For what it's worth, I had 3 crashes in 8 hours after applying the+ SYS 6 patch and none after I backed it out.   I   BTW, it would be nice if the previous (SYS 5) patch was put back on the - FTP server after putting the new one on hold.   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:01:59 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ( Subject: Re: best way of deleting files?+ Message-ID: <39EB88E5.B78C4B6@videotron.ca>   K Since the "delete files" topic does come up now and then, I am wondering if  this would be possible:   N Get a list of FILE IDs to be deleted. Then delete the directory file, and thenM delete individual files by file_id ? That would remove the need to update the # directory file with every deletion.   1 Is this possible ? Is this how DFU does its job ?    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:56:08 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)6 Message-ID: <8sfffo$cp0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  R In article <8s8mch$7rn$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes:J LOn the other hand, having to treat binary quantities in one order (LSB atL :lowest address) and strings, packed decimal, and God knows what else in theF :other (MSB at lowest address) is at least esthetically unpleasing andM :occasionally costs code.  I know if I had to design RMS today, I'd seriously D :consider discarding the idea of key data types and treat everythingM :internally as (easily-compressed) string data, leaving it to the application K :(perhaps via some standard routines) to mung whatever Outer Mongolian data + :type it had into a string-collatable form.   C   Ugh.  String collation.  Yech.  There's no way out of providing a F   string collation scheme, and there's no set characterset scheme for F   it.  MCR and ASCII are easy, but the sequences for the various otherG   character sets and stuff such as two- or four-byte Unicode make this  C   interesting.  For some background on this, see the NCS libraries.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:42:34 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)( Message-ID: <8sfspl$fe4$1@pyrite.mv.net>  = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 news:8sfffo$cp0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > L > In article <8s8mch$7rn$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> writes: L > LOn the other hand, having to treat binary quantities in one order (LSB atJ > :lowest address) and strings, packed decimal, and God knows what else in the H > :other (MSB at lowest address) is at least esthetically unpleasing andE > :occasionally costs code.  I know if I had to design RMS today, I'd 	 seriously F > :consider discarding the idea of key data types and treat everythingC > :internally as (easily-compressed) string data, leaving it to the  application H > :(perhaps via some standard routines) to mung whatever Outer Mongolian data- > :type it had into a string-collatable form.  > E >   Ugh.  String collation.  Yech.  There's no way out of providing a  >   string collation scheme,  K Exactly.  But if you play your cards right, it can get you out of having to  provide *additional* schemes.   +  and there's no set characterset scheme for  >   it.   K So provide only a binary-string collating function, have external functions J to translate the more common character sets to/from it, and get out of theB character set/data type business within RMS (or anything else thatK collates - e.g., Sort).  Especially considering that you'll *never* succeed J in supporting all the character sets/data types everyone wants (and in the8 manner they want to - e.g., synonyms, see below) anyway.  A   MCR and ASCII are easy, but the sequences for the various other H >   character sets and stuff such as two- or four-byte Unicode make thisE >   interesting.  For some background on this, see the NCS libraries.   H My vague recollection is that UNICODE defines a binary-string-collatableJ transformation of any UNICODE string, which (even if the transformation isF not bi-directional) gives you something RMS could use.  I have no ideaI whether it handles things like synonyms - but of course neither does RMS.   J Remove RMS's key data types, support only external keys (possibly multipleK keys per record per secondary index, again, with some pack/unpack functions @ for people who prefer their keys embedded in the records they'reH presenting), and you get RMS out of the field-level interpretation biz -I which it never really did much else useful with anyway, and which is more 2 properly the concern of database-level facilities.   - bill   > , >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion --------------------------- 1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:59:19 -0400 ' From: "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> F Subject: Re: Byte orders (Help making a project of mine more portable)( Message-ID: <8sftp3$g1p$1@pyrite.mv.net>  B Sorry for the double reply, but the other reason to force externalK conversions to string is the incredible pain (and overhead) of using things H like the UNICODE comparision routines when scanning thousands of keys inF interior index nodes.  Yes, you can tree-structure the contents of theK interior nodes, but then you lose the ability to leading-character-compress H the data:  the only way to make it all work reasonably efficiently is toI convert to something that's efficiently compressible *and* scannable, and L performing that conversion externally (to allow use of arbitrary data types)D is about the only way to handle it short of building user-extendableH call-out mechanisms (yech) to use when building/scanning interior nodes.   - bill  0 Bill Todd <billtodd@foo.mv.com> wrote in message" news:8sfspl$fe4$1@pyrite.mv.net... > ? > Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 2 > news:8sfffo$cp0$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > > 8 > > In article <8s8mch$7rn$1@pyrite.mv.net>, "Bill Todd" <billtodd@foo.mv.com> 	 > writes: K > > LOn the other hand, having to treat binary quantities in one order (LSB  atL > > :lowest address) and strings, packed decimal, and God knows what else in > the J > > :other (MSB at lowest address) is at least esthetically unpleasing andG > > :occasionally costs code.  I know if I had to design RMS today, I'd  > seriously H > > :consider discarding the idea of key data types and treat everythingE > > :internally as (easily-compressed) string data, leaving it to the 
 > application J > > :(perhaps via some standard routines) to mung whatever Outer Mongolian > data/ > > :type it had into a string-collatable form.  > > G > >   Ugh.  String collation.  Yech.  There's no way out of providing at > >   string collation scheme, > J > Exactly.  But if you play your cards right, it can get you out of having to > provide *additional* schemes.l >h- >  and there's no set characterset scheme for?	 > >   it.w >oC > So provide only a binary-string collating function, have externalr	 functions L > to translate the more common character sets to/from it, and get out of theD > character set/data type business within RMS (or anything else thatE > collates - e.g., Sort).  Especially considering that you'll *never*  succeeduL > in supporting all the character sets/data types everyone wants (and in the: > manner they want to - e.g., synonyms, see below) anyway. >tC >   MCR and ASCII are easy, but the sequences for the various otherAJ > >   character sets and stuff such as two- or four-byte Unicode make thisG > >   interesting.  For some background on this, see the NCS libraries.N >OJ > My vague recollection is that UNICODE defines a binary-string-collatableL > transformation of any UNICODE string, which (even if the transformation isH > not bi-directional) gives you something RMS could use.  I have no ideaK > whether it handles things like synonyms - but of course neither does RMS.  >eL > Remove RMS's key data types, support only external keys (possibly multipleC > keys per record per secondary index, again, with some pack/unpackr	 functionseB > for people who prefer their keys embedded in the records they'reJ > presenting), and you get RMS out of the field-level interpretation biz -K > which it never really did much else useful with anyway, and which is moreo4 > properly the concern of database-level facilities. >s > - bill >t > > . > >  --------------------------- pure personal% > opinion ---------------------------E3 > >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  > hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com > >e >o >    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:20:53 GMTX From: dan <dan@vrx.net>   Subject: Cleaning up disk space?' Message-ID: <39EA117E.FCFBF2EF@vrx.net>a  H Can anyone post some general guidelines on what is safe to delete from a system?AD For example, on my vax, I'll never use LAT or DEC Windows, and don't) think I'll use TNT (not sure what it is). D Anyhow, maybe I got a bit overzealous, and wiped out all that stuff.   Any suggestions?   Dan.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 23:14:14 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)d$ Subject: Re: Cleaning up disk space?! Message-ID: <+KNY0Ril6kHZ@ludens>p  A In article <39EA117E.FCFBF2EF@vrx.net>, dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:eJ > Can anyone post some general guidelines on what is safe to delete from a	 > system?tF > For example, on my vax, I'll never use LAT or DEC Windows, and don't+ > think I'll use TNT (not sure what it is). F > Anyhow, maybe I got a bit overzealous, and wiped out all that stuff.  4 1, executive files :-)  (not recommended exactly...)  !   sys$loadable_images:*driver.exe       ONLY what you do not use!      see ANAL/SYSTEM and      SDA> show device      7  !   sys$loadable_images:sysloa*.exel      ONLY what you do not use!      SDA> show sysloa.  , 2, unnecessary dump- and page- and swapfilesF    (be carefull, sys$system:sysdump.dmp, pagefile.sys and swapfile.sysE     must be renamed, system rebooted, and after these files deleted.)PD     If necessary pagefile does not exist then system might not boot.1     So you do not delete sys$system:pagefile.sys)i   3, operating system components:i       run sys$update:vmstailor   4, Dec Windows componets:l       run sys$update:decw$tailor   5, necessary logfilesk  >    (be carefull, if you want delete the sys$errorlog:error.sys;     you must stop ERRFMT process before deleting this file)     6, unnecessary logfilest     sys$manager:operator.log%   (REPLY/LOG then PURGE operator.log)v   sys$manager:accountng.datL(   (SET ACC/NEW then PURGE accountng.dat)      audit journal, etc.   7, absolutly unnecessary files:l  %    PURGE SYS$SYSDEVICE:[000000...]*.*n       >  > Any suggestions? >  > Dan. >   8 I strongly NOT recommend method#1 method#2 and method#5.   Adam Maulisd   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:36:41 GMT-+ From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net> $ Subject: Re: Cleaning up disk space?> Message-ID: <MPG.14554d068cf826c7989683@news.bellatlantic.net>  ? In article <+KNY0Ril6kHZ@ludens>, maulis@ludens.elte.hu says...nC > In article <39EA117E.FCFBF2EF@vrx.net>, dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:FL > > Can anyone post some general guidelines on what is safe to delete from a > > system?wH > > For example, on my vax, I'll never use LAT or DEC Windows, and don't- > > think I'll use TNT (not sure what it is).yH > > Anyhow, maybe I got a bit overzealous, and wiped out all that stuff. >  [...]a > 5, necessary logfilesu > @ >    (be carefull, if you want delete the sys$errorlog:error.sys= >     you must stop ERRFMT process before deleting this file))  ? Nope, ERRFMT will just create a new error log file when it next @ wants to log something.  No problem deleting it that I have ever seen.    -- M John Santosu   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:52:04 -0500e) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>-$ Subject: Re: Cleaning up disk space?/ Message-ID: <sun50q5714a4fd@corp.supernews.com>j  J "dan" <dan@vrx.network> wrote in message news:39EA117E.FCFBF2EF@vrx.net...  9 > Can anyone post some general guidelines on what is safen > to delete from a system?  < > For example, on my vax, I'll never use LAT or DEC Windows,6 > and don't  think I'll use TNT (not sure what it is).  E LAT has many uses.  I use it for creating spooled devices for network@J printers.  LAT is also a convenient way to communicate with a VMS system IK am staging and have not installed licenses for either DECNET or TCP/IP yet.I  I DEC Windows has two components.  The workstation files are only useful if I you have graphics hardware, or will be serving them to a satellite or VXTsK terminal.  The server components are useful only if you have a X-11 capablet display somewhere.  L TNT is the OpenVMS Management Station.  There are two components, client andL server.  The client files are for M$soft Windows.  You do not need to keep a copy on your server.? The server files are not needed if you do not have any clients.h  H There are some on disk documentation files that can be removed.  See theK guide to installing OpenVMS for a listing of these.  The installation guideu8 is probably a good reference on what is needed for what.  F > Anyhow, maybe I got a bit overzealous, and wiped out all that stuff. > Any suggestions?  J You have been told about the options reinstalling the last VMS upgrade and2 it's ECOs, and about using the tailoring programs.  L The current CD-ROMs are bootable, and you can use the copy or backup command= to restore most missing things.  And then reinstall any ECOs.o   -Johnl wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:06:08 -0400 5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>t Subject: Compaq informationg6 Message-ID: <8sfn0f$e9j$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Dear Newsgroup  @ At the risk of starting another discussion on viewable websites.  J Can you tell me if you can access this, I am interested in the alternative access jump sites.  5 http://www.businesslink.compaq.com/retire/index1.htmlr  J Just so you know I have nothing to do with this web site, I am just trying< to understand how customers get information a little better.  
 Warm Regards,s suea   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:01:54 GMT % From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>. Subject: Re: Compaq informationa0 Message-ID: <39EB6D70.A6B688DE@bellatlantic.net>   Sue,G I tried the link, followed the US/Canada link, followed the CPN link tot apply for access.... Neat it worked.t@ not so neat, the means of applying for cpn access are not there.G It immediately expects a compaq dealer ID.  Does not allow you to applyw for a dealer id. Hmm. thanks bob8   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Dear Newsgroup > B > At the risk of starting another discussion on viewable websites. > L > Can you tell me if you can access this, I am interested in the alternative > access jump sites. > 7 > http://www.businesslink.compaq.com/retire/index1.html  > L > Just so you know I have nothing to do with this web site, I am just trying> > to understand how customers get information a little better. >  > Warm Regards,l > suea   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:18:01 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: Compaq informationy3 Message-ID: <kdxp3SHe5PlD@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>h  7 In article <8sfn0f$e9j$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, .<     	"Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes: [...]wL > Can you tell me if you can access this, I am interested in the alternative > access jump sites. > 7 > http://www.businesslink.compaq.com/retire/index1.htmld > L > Just so you know I have nothing to do with this web site, I am just trying> > to understand how customers get information a little better.  H         Just two things.  Yes, I can get  to  that URL, and I can get toH     the  United States link under it.  Now what?  I need to sign up as aH     CPN (Compaq Partner Network)?  Why?  We don't _produce_  a  product,H     we  don't  want  to  _partner_,  we're  _customers_  trying  to  get     information.  H         Furthermore, at the Compaq Listens Panel at CETS 2000 in L.A.  aH     bit over a week ago, there was  so much negative reaction to turningH     off  DBL  that they (Compaq) backed down from that stance, at  leastH     until it's  proven  that  a  fully  functional  replacement  up  andH     running.   Yet  the URL above says the drop-dead date is "the end ofH     December 2000".  I'd like to see  that statement removed _until_ theG     alternative is operational and all current users of DBL have moved.D           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu@:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:36:44 -0400)- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t Subject: Re: Compaq informations, Message-ID: <39EB9107.B09CD798@videotron.ca>   Sue, the way I read it:o  I If you are a  partner/reseller, then use CPN instead of the businesslink.gN If yoU're a customer, you can use business link for a while longer, and Compaq' isn't sure what will happen after that.c  U A clear statement on the provision of pricing services to customers would be welcome.p   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:40:41 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>+ Subject: RE: Copying Directories via DecNet J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010162122211.17794-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On 12 Oct 2000, Lawrence Bleau wrote:-  P +There's another drawback I've seen with doing a backup over Decnet: the savesetP +size.  The target node creates a small file for the saveset, then just keeps on +extending it.! [...the fragmentation problem...]iF +command, writing several savesets.  I don't know if the target disk'sO +parameters (or the target process's RMS defaults) can be tweaked ahead of time   +to compensate for this.  Ideas?  A  Althought setting the EXTENSION size for BACKUP is a problem :],i5 have do it some time ago - but with other overhead...a  The resolution was:< 1. create a DECNET object where CONVERTs SYS$NET to the file6  with "proper" FDL -:) Here is the overhead - but IMHO;  CONVERT.EXE don't must be worse than FAL$SERVER.EXE... -;)  2. do BACKUP to the object -:)<  The real resolution uses two commandprocedures (the sending; side allows /BLOCK_SIZE to BACKUP and sends the data to thei- CONVERT also, but this is not relevant here).s>  The only seen "problem" was the object name in BACKUP/LIST :)  @  Haven't today time to find the example (or re-write and check).@  If anyone interested send info to signature address (from time > to time :< haven't enought time :[ to read all in InfoVax....)  = BTW: can anyone force BACKUP to *read* from DECNET object ???i< (yes, that have look for: BACK [...] NODE::"task=XXX" on one;  side and reversion on the second [in the task] ! And looksa<  like BACKUP uses some RMS features [probably file structure)  check] where for task is not available).d    Regards - Gotfryd   -- eE =====================================================================aF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEt. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================S   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:57:46 -0700l+ From: Jack Kings <jmkings@worldnet.att.net>s Subject: DCPS v1.80 Message-ID: <39EBCE3A.6FF19DBD@worldnet.att.net>  < trying to configure an HP8000 printer using ipraw under dcps6 v1.8. the library file says it is supported and i have: configured older hp printers under v1.7 of dcps but i cant8 get this one working. when i print to the hp8000 i get a< message on the printer window saying "data received" several< times then it seems to time-out and put the print job into a7 pending state in the queue and nothing comes out of the  printer. anyone got any ideas   tkss   jack   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 14:45:20 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: DSN3 Message-ID: <vu7kAVQK+NQ5@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>e  D In article <8se94q$9cc$1@porthos.nl.uu.net>, "h" <zmz@mh.nl> writes: > Hello, > M > We're using DSN for a long time, but since last week i've got the followingt > error:	 > -------s > Remote server responding) > --- DsnTransport::MODEMERR, Modem error  > : > - DsnModem::LINK_FAILURE, Data link heartbeat is stopped > 4 > %CMA-F-IN_USE, object referenced is already in use  H         Start by power-cycling your  modem.   Then  restart DSNlink.  IfH     you  still get these errors, you'll need to call the support  center7     or otherwise get deeper into debugging the problem.   H         FWIW, one cluster at our  site  maintains  a modem hanging off aH     VAX  4000/90A  under DNSlink 1.2C.  We often (every 2-6  weeks)  getH     into a state where we can't dial out.  The first line of  action  isH     to  power-cycle  the modem, and if that's not sufficient, we restartH     DSNlink.  On my cluster, we  run  DSNlink 2.2E over TCP/IP.  Once weH     got  some initial configuration issues straightened out, we've  seenH     no interruption in service.  It's been very reliable for _us_. YMMV.           -Ken -- tM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edun:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:15:39 -0400>% From: Karl S. Erbland <karl@ksme.net>@< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...5 Message-ID: <MPG.14550fd5eda6ff719896cd@news.alt.net>   D In article <MPG.1454fc873a20a5389896cc@news.alt.net>, karl@ksme.net  says...dI > "horrifying" is -- HOW MANY DON'T EVEN KNOW they SHOULD HAVE QUALIFIED wL > and RECEIVED A BALLOT (out of 2,700) and therefore can't even correct the  > error.   I intended for this to say:o  B "HOW MANY DON'T EVEN KNOW they SHOULD HAVE QUALIFIED, SHOULD HAVE B RECEIVED A BALLOT but DID NOT RECEIVE A BALLOT (out of 2,700) and ( therefore can't even correct the error."  @ Basically, they don't even know there is an election in process.     Karl -- o Karl Erbland KSME/Business Groups Tiffin, OH 44883  ) I want to be your Encompass board member! ) http://www.superorg.com/goodbyedecus.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:06:39 -0400x From: stan@stanq.com< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE.... Message-ID: <39EB197F.28951.9F221DB@localhost>  B > Basically, they don't even know there is an election in process.  F I didn't know the mailing about DECUS until I looked at the web site. B  How many people threw it away because it didn't say DECUS on the . envelope?  Looked just like junk mail to me...     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147r= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:19:48 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)u< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <Tj+rSDUDh9VW@eisner.decus.org>S  [ In article <8sanpl$adb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: L > We have had to be very quiet about the other legal case involving the loss > onN > Philly.  We were owed 600K and will never collect a dime.  What happened for  0 How long ago was this? Who took DECUS for $600K?   > isM > the other party challenged DECUS's legal status. The case was thrown out oftF > court within 6 weeks of it being filed.  The reason why was we are aJ > incorporated association.  As such it is very hard for the members to be > suedE > but also it is impossible for us to sue.  The membership itself canzN > collectively sue but they can sue for their personal damages i.e. if we lostI > 600K but you the member couldn't demonstrate how it personally cost you  > money-4 > there is no legal course of action to remedy this.  G Wasn't the old "Decus" "owned" by DEC/Compaq? Couldn't they collect ther debt?   L > Obvious if the Tradeshow company had heard about this they could have done > the,N > exact same thing and had the case tossed out of court and it would have costK > us another 300K - hence the reason why we have been very quiet about whatr > happened.  > N > The bottom line is there is virtually no means that DECUS can use to protectK > itself against these types of problems as a incorporated association.  Weh > wereJ > basically lucky this didn't come back and bite us for the first 37 years > DECUS 
 > existed. > L > This has now been looked at by 3 teams of lawyers and they all came to theL > same conclusion.  DECUS cannot execute contracts counting on the courts to > be: > there to protect the rights and assets of the Chapter...  L How will Encompass be different? Or do you mean UNincorporated above, and as0 an incorporated entity things will be different?   Bobl   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:50:23 GMTw( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...' Message-ID: <G2JrK0.M2o@spcuna.spc.edu>   D In comp.org.decus Bob Kaplow <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars> wrote:] > In article <8sanpl$adb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:LM >> We have had to be very quiet about the other legal case involving the loss- >> onaO >> Philly.  We were owed 600K and will never collect a dime.  What happened for  >u2 > How long ago was this? Who took DECUS for $600K?  H   I assume Jeff will answer this if it's public knowledge (and, since it6 apparently involved a lawsuit, it's public knowledge).   >> isoN >> the other party challenged DECUS's legal status. The case was thrown out ofG >> court within 6 weeks of it being filed.  The reason why was we are a K >> incorporated association.  As such it is very hard for the members to bes >> suedTF >> but also it is impossible for us to sue.  The membership itself canO >> collectively sue but they can sue for their personal damages i.e. if we lostcJ >> 600K but you the member couldn't demonstrate how it personally cost you >> money5 >> there is no legal course of action to remedy this.E >0I > Wasn't the old "Decus" "owned" by DEC/Compaq? Couldn't they collect theT > debt?d  J   Sure. But you're assuming that a) Digital/Compaq and DECUS felt the sameG way about this - there are companies that they don't want to get on thetI wrong side of, and b) that someone in Digital/Compaq can spearhead a cor-5H porate lawsuit against the company, despit it being DECUS' loss of DECUS funds.  O >> The bottom line is there is virtually no means that DECUS can use to protectxL >> itself against these types of problems as a incorporated association.  We >> wererK >> basically lucky this didn't come back and bite us for the first 37 yearsd >> DECUS >> existed.n >> lM >> This has now been looked at by 3 teams of lawyers and they all came to thedM >> same conclusion.  DECUS cannot execute contracts counting on the courts toc >> be,; >> there to protect the rights and assets of the Chapter...t >oN > How will Encompass be different? Or do you mean UNincorporated above, and as2 > an incorporated entity things will be different?  F   I think Jeff got tangled in his keyboard there. As an unincorporatedF association, it can't (as an entity) sue. After incorporating, it can.D At least, that's the way it's been explained all along. I'm fuzzy on@ why DECUS could execute contracts if it had no legal standing...  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:05:08 -0500,, From: "Glenn C. Everhart" <Everhart@GCE.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...' Message-ID: <39EB5F74.73132222@GCE.com>p  = Would there be any form of class action lawsuit that could bea= filed to get part of the $600k back? The class would be DECUSn> members. Even though individial damage would be tough to show,- collectively the group was hit for that much.e   Bob Kaplow wrote:  > ] > In article <8sanpl$adb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:nN > > We have had to be very quiet about the other legal case involving the loss > > onP > > Philly.  We were owed 600K and will never collect a dime.  What happened for > 2 > How long ago was this? Who took DECUS for $600K? >  > > isO > > the other party challenged DECUS's legal status. The case was thrown out ofhH > > court within 6 weeks of it being filed.  The reason why was we are aL > > incorporated association.  As such it is very hard for the members to be > > suedG > > but also it is impossible for us to sue.  The membership itself caniP > > collectively sue but they can sue for their personal damages i.e. if we lostK > > 600K but you the member couldn't demonstrate how it personally cost youa	 > > moneyt6 > > there is no legal course of action to remedy this. > I > Wasn't the old "Decus" "owned" by DEC/Compaq? Couldn't they collect the  > debt?  > N > > Obvious if the Tradeshow company had heard about this they could have done > > the P > > exact same thing and had the case tossed out of court and it would have costM > > us another 300K - hence the reason why we have been very quiet about whatu
 > > happened.  > >NP > > The bottom line is there is virtually no means that DECUS can use to protectM > > itself against these types of problems as a incorporated association.  Wes > > wereL > > basically lucky this didn't come back and bite us for the first 37 years	 > > DECUSo > > existed. > >iN > > This has now been looked at by 3 teams of lawyers and they all came to theN > > same conclusion.  DECUS cannot execute contracts counting on the courts to > > be< > > there to protect the rights and assets of the Chapter... > N > How will Encompass be different? Or do you mean UNincorporated above, and as2 > an incorporated entity things will be different? >  > Bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:24:25 -0400m& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8sgda0$qbv$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>  F Of the subject of a class action suit.  Yes we could have sued but theJ question was could we have been successful?  I suspect two years after theF fact it may now be too late to file however.  The problem is two fold.B First the damages we could recover at equal to what you the memberH experienced as a loss.  It is very dubious we could prove the membershipK experienced a loss since 80 percent of the membership joins for free..  The J second problem is there are lawyers who will cheerfully take the case on aH billable basis but won't take it on a contingency fee basis.  That meansI that the User Group would have to spend $50-150K (USD) to pursue the casekK but the actual settlement, if any, would go to the membership.  Which meansiC the User Group takes a high risk and at best gets back the $50-150Ks         --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================b   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:40:24 -0400o& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...3 Message-ID: <8sge7n$1js$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>t  F > I think Jeff got tangled in his keyboard there. As an unincorporated+ > association, it can't (as an entity) sue.m  , Terry is correct - it is a tangled keyboard.  H The company we were partnered with to do Philly was PennWell publishing.E This was about 2.5 years ago.  Philly lost $1.2 million dollars.  TheeE decision to do Philly was based on the fact DECUS had a long standingoI contract for the site already that would have cost us $500,000 to cancel. K Partnering with PennWell we thought would limit our risk to about $600,000.cK PennWell never responded to the heart of our lawsuit but instead claimed we-I had no standing to sue.  That if anyone brought action it must be Compaq.eJ In effect PennWell said if Compaq wants to sue a major publishing house goD ahead.  Compaq saw it as not being in its best business interests to) engender the wrath of a major publicationfI (http://www.pennwell.com/publications.cfm?pubIndex=12).  Compaq has sinceoH helped in ways that basically offset the $600K but the lesson learned isK that Compaq looks at these much more from their pure business interest thanrH Digital ever did.  Who can blame them when they ask hey look there is noL reason why you can't become a separate corporation like ITUG that allows you, to protect your own legal rights without us.  H FWIW - CETS2000 was what we thought Philly was going to look like.  ThisD time we didn't repeat the marketing mistakes we made with Philly and9 everyone who made promises to the User Group delivered...l   --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================s  5 "Terry Kennedy" <terry@gate.tmk.com> wrote in message-! news:G2JrK0.M2o@spcuna.spc.edu...2D In comp.org.decus Bob Kaplow <kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars> wrote:C > In article <8sanpl$adb$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen"  <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:1H >> We have had to be very quiet about the other legal case involving the loss >> onsK >> Philly.  We were owed 600K and will never collect a dime.  What happenedz forh >a2 > How long ago was this? Who took DECUS for $600K?  H   I assume Jeff will answer this if it's public knowledge (and, since it6 apparently involved a lawsuit, it's public knowledge).   >> ispK >> the other party challenged DECUS's legal status. The case was thrown out  ofG >> court within 6 weeks of it being filed.  The reason why was we are aoK >> incorporated association.  As such it is very hard for the members to bed >> suedeF >> but also it is impossible for us to sue.  The membership itself canJ >> collectively sue but they can sue for their personal damages i.e. if we lostJ >> 600K but you the member couldn't demonstrate how it personally cost you >> money5 >> there is no legal course of action to remedy this.e >lI > Wasn't the old "Decus" "owned" by DEC/Compaq? Couldn't they collect thes > debt?e  J   Sure. But you're assuming that a) Digital/Compaq and DECUS felt the sameG way about this - there are companies that they don't want to get on the I wrong side of, and b) that someone in Digital/Compaq can spearhead a cor-vH porate lawsuit against the company, despit it being DECUS' loss of DECUS funds.  G >> The bottom line is there is virtually no means that DECUS can use to: protectXL >> itself against these types of problems as a incorporated association.  We >> wereeK >> basically lucky this didn't come back and bite us for the first 37 yearsv >> DECUS >> existed.- >>I >> This has now been looked at by 3 teams of lawyers and they all came to= the=J >> same conclusion.  DECUS cannot execute contracts counting on the courts to >> beS; >> there to protect the rights and assets of the Chapter...  >=K > How will Encompass be different? Or do you mean UNincorporated above, and- as2 > an incorporated entity things will be different?  F   I think Jeff got tangled in his keyboard there. As an unincorporatedF association, it can't (as an entity) sue. After incorporating, it can.D At least, that's the way it's been explained all along. I'm fuzzy on@ why DECUS could execute contracts if it had no legal standing...  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:06:44 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8sgfmt$m1l$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  I On the subject of names.  Yes DECUS has very strong indentity but it cutsFH both ways.  We have had a very hard time attracting Tru64 folks to DECUSD Symposia.  It has been an average of 12-15 people per Tru64 session.J CETS2000 Tru64 sessions were running between 150-200 people.  For whateverH reason, when we have checked, Tru64 folks do not see DECUS as being UnixH friendly.  We have tried but they do not seem to be able to get past the name...    --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================t   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:42:38 +0000i From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>t/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up lined' Message-ID: <39EB4C1E.9C86480F@fsi.net>    Richard Tomkins wrote: > M > It's been a while, and to be exact I'd have to set it up, but what you want  > to do is feasible. > M > Basically, you set up two modems, one at each end, and you run DECnet. OncesL > DECnet is up and running, then you run LAT to the Terminal Server, in your > case a 90.  H Actually, DECnet and LAT are related, but in no way inter-dependent. LAT< runs just fine without DECnet, and the reverse is also true.  F If you intend to use DECnet at all, you must start it before any other= networking software. Other than that, there is no dependency.a  i David J. Dachterar   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:05:19 GMTo7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)-/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line-& Message-ID: <G2JH4v.C1v@world.std.com>  ! SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:o  N >> Basically, you set up two modems, one at each end, and you run DECnet. OnceM >> DECnet is up and running, then you run LAT to the Terminal Server, in yourB
 >> case a 90.L  I >Actually, DECnet and LAT are related, but in no way inter-dependent. LATa= >runs just fine without DECnet, and the reverse is also true.   I DECnet and LAT are totally unrelated, other than on older versions of VMSAI (before LANCP) you need DECnet to MOP boot any terminal servers that needo it.   G >If you intend to use DECnet at all, you must start it before any other > >networking software. Other than that, there is no dependency.  H Only necessary for network user services that don't have the "can changeG address" attribute set.  LAT does.  SCS (clustering) does (try to startcJ DECnet before SCS!) Most other services originally from DEC do (don't knowI about UCX, I believe it doesn't so you do have to start UCX after DECnet)y   -Mikem   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:33:14 +00000 From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>:/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line.' Message-ID: <39EB660A.1FDA9DCB@fsi.net>o   Michael Moroney wrote: > # > SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:i > P > >> Basically, you set up two modems, one at each end, and you run DECnet. OnceO > >> DECnet is up and running, then you run LAT to the Terminal Server, in youro > >> case a 90.k > K > >Actually, DECnet and LAT are related, but in no way inter-dependent. LAT-? > >runs just fine without DECnet, and the reverse is also true.r > ' > DECnet and LAT are totally unrelated,s  ? Don't know as I'd go quite that far, since I didn't originally.-  % > other than on older versions of VMSr   You mean DECnet/VMS...  0 > (before LANCP) you need DECnet to MOP boot any  H ...thing that needs a downline load and only supports MOP for this, such as certain ...   > terminal servers that need > it., > I > >If you intend to use DECnet at all, you must start it before any othert@ > >networking software. Other than that, there is no dependency. > J > Only necessary for network user services that don't have the "can change% > address" attribute set.  LAT does. s  . Does it? I'd double-check that, if I were you.   > SCS (clustering) doeso  G ...not always use the same interface (NI) primarily (mostly uses the CI F (if available) or the MC (memory channel, if available). LAVc and SCSIE clustering uses primarily the NI which, of course, begins long beforei any thing else gets fired up.b   > (try to start L > DECnet before SCS!) Most other services originally from DEC do (don't knowK > about UCX, I believe it doesn't so you do have to start UCX after DECnet)   ; As my 5th grade teacher said, "Be specific, cite examples."/   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:50:18 GMTt7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)d/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up linev& Message-ID: <G2K2ny.DHo@world.std.com>  ! SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:t  ( >> DECnet and LAT are totally unrelated,  @ >Don't know as I'd go quite that far, since I didn't originally.  H They're entirely different protocols.  MOP is as well, but is built into DECnet.i  & >> other than on older versions of VMS   >You mean DECnet/VMS...   F No, I meant VMS.  LANCP comes with VMS, and no changes are required toG DECnet to use LANCP, other than configuring DECnet not to try and startn up MOP.u  1 >> (before LANCP) you need DECnet to MOP boot anyr  I >...thing that needs a downline load and only supports MOP for this, suchy >as certain ...r   >> terminal servers that neede >> it.  F We were talking about LAT here.  I know of no other uses of MOP/DECnet1 by LAT other than the mentioned terminal servers.n  J >> >If you intend to use DECnet at all, you must start it before any otherA >> >networking software. Other than that, there is no dependency.e >> oK >> Only necessary for network user services that don't have the "can changes& >> address" attribute set.  LAT does.   / >Does it? I'd double-check that, if I were you.r  : I checked the protocols on the system at work and it does.   >> SCS (clustering) does  H >...not always use the same interface (NI) primarily (mostly uses the CIG >(if available) or the MC (memory channel, if available). LAVc and SCSI F >clustering uses primarily the NI which, of course, begins long before >any thing else gets fired up.  E NI-SCS always starts itself on all LAN adapters it finds, even if notuB necessary.  I'm not talking whether or not it's necessary or used.  < >As my 5th grade teacher said, "Be specific, cite examples."   I just gave two.  I I'll check again the system at work tomorrow, but ones I remember that dotJ are LAT, MOP, the SYSID/remote console protocol (the last 2 are by LANCP),G LAST, NI-SCS, and a couple others I don't remember offhand.  DECnet andrI UCX do not have the change address attribute.  This means that UCX has to B be started after DECnet but the others can be started at any time.   -Mikel   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:31:12 -0400d From: stan@stanq.com, Subject: Re: Galaxy/clustering requirements?, Message-ID: <39EB1130.129.9D1AB49@localhost>  I >   A Multia can probably be a cluster member -- I say "probably" as thisnH >   Multia box is not officially supported by OpenVMS, and as the MultiaG >   I/O subsystem is known to have various limitations -- and it could >G >   conceivably also be configured as a single-instance OpenVMS Galaxy.e  C I have a cluster with 2 VAX 4000-60's, a DPWS 500au, and a pair of eF Multias.  The Multias share a common SCSI disk (no, I won't say "SCSI 
 cluster").  D The Multias work just fine in the cluster, but are sloooow compared D with the 500au.  I'm running 7.2-1 on the Multias and 500au, 7.2 on 
 the VAXen.  E I got the Multias just for fun originally.  I then landed a contract rC to port a bunch of VAX code to Alpha, and the Multias were a great nA start.  However, for serious work I'd recommend a faster machine   (like the 500au).a  B I've accepted the fact that I cannot upgrade the Multias.  When a E version of VMS comes out that can't cluster with 7.2-1, I'll convert o them to Linux.  C Turning a Multia into a galaxy might be fun as an experiment.  But   buy lots of memory first...      --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671-1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147,= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comc   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:17:58 GMT2+ From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net>a, Subject: Re: Galaxy/clustering requirements?> Message-ID: <MPG.145548939e30018f989682@news.bellatlantic.net>  7 In article <8sfcgm$c4m$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, i% hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam says...  > b > In article <q85G5.1724$iY1.37294@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:L > :I've got an Alpha Multia, and have another on the way.  These systems canG > :only have 1 NIC.  Does Galaxy/clustering on OpenVMS require NICs for K > :heartbeats, etc.?  If so, perhaps I can alias some IPs to the 1 NIC withU > :some static routes? > G >   OpenVMS Galaxy and OpenVMS Cluster are two quite separate concepts.tK >   Neither OpenVMS Galaxy nor OpenVMS Cluster specifically requires a NIC.a > I >   A Multia can probably be a cluster member -- I say "probably" as this H >   Multia box is not officially supported by OpenVMS, and as the MultiaG >   I/O subsystem is known to have various limitations -- and it could sG >   conceivably also be configured as a single-instance OpenVMS Galaxy.  > I >   As a configuration that is both a single-instance OpenVMS Galaxy and eK >   a single-instance OpenVMS Galaxy, no NIC is required.  As a multi-node oO >   OpenVMS Cluster configuration (and this system can not be a multi-instance i: >   OpenVMS Galaxy), you would require at least one NIC.   >   D OOH!  OOH!  I get to correct Hoff too!  Yippee!  One of the "single-I instance OpenVMS Galaxy"'s in the 1st sentence of the previous paragraph  J should be "single-node OpenVMS Cluster".  Otherwise the first sentence is 9 redundant and the second sentence doesn't follow from it.   I >   On a system with multi-instance capabilities -- Multia does not have eJ >   this -- that has each instance as a member of the same or of differentM >   OpenVMS Cluster configurations, you can be required to have zero or more  K >   NICs per instance, depending on the specifics of the local hardware and N >   cluster configuration.  Some of these cluster configurations can have and K >   are fully supported with no NICs at all, and some can require multiple nK >   NICs in zero or more instances.  It is very common to see at least one -I >   NIC per instance, of course.  And cluster member nodes that can only eJ >   cluster with other nodes over an Ethernet network must obviously have L >   a NIC installed (and one or more NIC in each instance, if the instances 3 >   are also configured into one or more clusters).e > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  H BTW, what is implied here but not explicitly mentioned is that there areI multiple ways of networking systems and multiple ways of clustering them.8G Some of the interconnects can be used simultaneously by the network andr  the cluster, while others can't.  G For example, CI clusters don't require any network connection at all.  aD The CI is sufficient for clustering.  "SCSI clusters" aren't really G clusters because not all cluster messages can travel over the SCSI bus.eH (Only disk access, not for example, lock manager messages.)  So you needF a second cluster interconnect for "SCSI clusters", such as ethernet orF CI (or probably FDDI or memory channel?)  This is why Hoff discourages# the use of the term "SCSI cluster".-  E Ethernet is also sufficient for clustering, and I think FDDI as well.l" I'm not sure about memory channel.  A Some network protocols can share an interconnect with clustering.$F DECnet on VAXes (maybe only phase IV) can use CI, but it works better J over ethernet.  (We used to configure our VAX clusters using CI as a high E cost backup circuit for DECnet, with Ethernet as the low-cost primarywH circuit.)  On the other hand, VAXes can be networked using serial lines J (Async DECnet), and Unibus VAXes can use DMC11 point-to-point interfaces, 9 but clustering cannot use either.  However I think eithert@ method would work for DECnet within a cluster where the cluster F interconnect was something else.  It would be silly, since there wouldF certainly be a much faster network connection available, but it should work.d  ? TCP/IP (depending on the stack) has yet another set of network tB interfaces.  For example, TCPWare also supports serial lines (SLIPD and PPP) on both VAX and Alpha, but UCX only supports PPP on Alphas.B The serial line used by TCP/IP is dedicated to that; you can't runA Async DECnet over the same line at the same time.  Some IP stacksiB support many other interfaces, some of which are also supported by+ DECnet, some not.  It depends on the stack.o  D Ethernet allows multiple protocols to be run on it at the same time.G Near the beginning of each Ethernet packet (or "frame") is a "protocol  E type" word.  The Ethernet device driver uses this value to determine eD which application should receive the packet.  One value is used for H DECnet, one for IP, another for cluster messages (SCS), yet another for D LAT, etc.  If the system receives a packet with a protocol type the H driver doesn't recognize (such as an IP packet when the IP stack hasn't H been started yet), you get an "Unknown protocol type" error.  (I forget F the exact wording, but you typically see a bunch of these messages in J OPERATOR.LOG when the system is booting, because it takes a while between G when the Ethernet interface is activated and all the network processes e have been started up.)  C Because Ethernet can run multiple protocols, you can run DECnet and C IP on it and cluster at the same time, but these separate protocolsi# have nothing to do with each other.e  C Most clusters I have seen use Ethernet for DECnet and IP and either 2 CI or a mixture of CI and Ethernet for clustering.  A If you have multiple ethernet interfaces, you can dedicate one toeE each type of traffic to improve performance, but this isn't required.a  F Also, I have found that an ethernet switch can help a lot by isolatingC traffic.  For example, backing up a satellite VAX's disk drive to aeA tape drive on an Alphaserver at the same time that a PC server isbA backing up a bunch of PCs to its tape drive is much faster if youuF interconnect everything with a multiport switch than if you use a hub.F The VAX and Alpha don't have to see all the PC traffic and vice versa.   -- e John Santosl   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 14:59:24 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)= Subject: Re: Getting status value's text message (lib$signal)a+ Message-ID: <Uzu3IxoR3YP+@eisner.decus.org>e  \ In article <39E835A9.26A7EF95@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:L > How can I, inside of a C program, obtain the string value of a status code > from a system service etc? >  > M > I know I can use LIB$SIGNAL to cause stuff to be written to SYS$OUTPOUT, ascF > well as a small stack dump, but I just want to have the message textR > associated with the error code in a variable I can deal with inside the program. >    #include <string.h>e #include <errno.h>        char *p;o      o    o    o  &    p = strerror(EVMSERR, status_code);    F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation.= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupoE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingr   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:19:55 -0700t+ From: "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> ! Subject: graphics device on 433aua> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001016151055.00ad5220@poptop.llnl.gov>   Hello,K I have installed VMS 7.2-1 on a DEC Personal Workstation 433 au.  When the dK system boots I see a message saying "No graphics device found."  I can log tI in to the system in terminal mode only.  I installed Open3d and DWmotif, 6( but neither of these solved the problem.  J My notes from the time when this system was AlphaNT indicate the graphics ; card is a PowerStorm of 4d40t, 4d50t, 4d51t, or 4d60t type.t  B The install manual does not mention anything other than a special / instruction for the Elsa PowerStorm 4d10t card.   F Is there something else I should be installing to make this PCI based  system and graphics card work ?n   Thanks for the help.)                                rich frankw   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 22:51:07 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: graphics device on 433auf6 Message-ID: <8sg0or$gcm$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  l In article <4.2.0.58.20001016151055.00ad5220@poptop.llnl.gov>, "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> writes:L :I have installed VMS 7.2-1 on a DEC Personal Workstation 433 au.  When the D :system boots I see a message saying "No graphics device found." ...K :My notes from the time when this system was AlphaNT indicate the graphics v< :card is a PowerStorm of 4d40t, 4d50t, 4d51t, or 4d60t type.  >   None of these graphics controllers are supported by OpenVMS.  F   PowerStorm 3D30, 4D20, 300, 350, and 4D10T (ELSA GLoria Synergy) areB   all relatively recent graphics controllers with OpenVMS support.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:43:09 +1000yI From: "Robin Houston @ Air Warfare Systems Centre" <aawsc@fastrac.net.au>1% Subject: Re: graphics device on 433au@4 Message-ID: <4qMG5.21$gy1.1804@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>  L Where would I find the list of compatible graphics devices? I also have much the same problem.fK I have a alphaserver 400 4/166 with an integrated S3 video, this system was I used for NT but has been replaced by bigger better devices, would like toTL reuse it as a member of a vax cluster but really need it to have a graphical
 interface.@ same symptoms as richard "No graphic device found" (OpenVMS 7.1)  = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messaged0 news:8sg0or$gcm$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >)L > In article <4.2.0.58.20001016151055.00ad5220@poptop.llnl.gov>, "richard n.! frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> writes:sI > :I have installed VMS 7.2-1 on a DEC Personal Workstation 433 au.  Wheni thedF > :system boots I see a message saying "No graphics device found." ...L > :My notes from the time when this system was AlphaNT indicate the graphics> > :card is a PowerStorm of 4d40t, 4d50t, 4d51t, or 4d60t type. > @ >   None of these graphics controllers are supported by OpenVMS. > H >   PowerStorm 3D30, 4D20, 300, 350, and 4D10T (ELSA GLoria Synergy) areD >   all relatively recent graphics controllers with OpenVMS support. >u, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------n1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineerings hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >B   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:51:13 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>! Subject: graphics device on 433auc7 Message-ID: <200010162051_MC2-B728-9377@compuserve.com>b  G         You need a VMS driver for the graphics card.  Since VMS doesn'thG support the cards you mentioned, there is none.  You will have to write  one.  J         Unless you are "SuperProgrammer"  it would be considerably easier=  F and cheaper to replace what you have with a supported graphics device.    * Message text written by "richard n. frank" >Hello,iJ I have installed VMS 7.2-1 on a DEC Personal Workstation 433 au.  When th= e =s  J system boots I see a message saying "No graphics device found."  I can lo= g =f  J in to the system in terminal mode only.  I installed Open3d and DWmotif, =  ( but neither of these solved the problem.  J My notes from the time when this system was AlphaNT indicate the graphics=  =  ; card is a PowerStorm of 4d40t, 4d50t, 4d51t, or 4d60t type.r  C The install manual does not mention anything other than a special =l  / instruction for the Elsa PowerStorm 4d10t card.a  G Is there something else I should be installing to make this PCI based =    system and graphics card work ?    Thanks for the help.<b   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 18:26:02 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point6 Message-ID: <8sfh7q$d3p$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <39E7E108.5506BC36@shrimp.osfn.org>, Michael Umbricht <mikeu@shrimp.osfn.org> writes:I :A few years ago I bought a handheld Halon extinguisher at a local supplyy: :house.  I keep it next to my VAX-11/750, just-in-case...     G   I'd look to use a carbon dioxide (CO2) extinguisher and some trainingDL   in its use, and (regardless of the choice of extinguisher) I'd definitely H   have an easily-accessable remote power-off switch wired up and a ready   path for rapid egress.  L   For nastier fires, I'd use an extinguisher with a piercing nozzle -- this K   nozzle is one technique used for engine- or trunk-compartment car fires,  M   as you can dump the extinguisher into the fire compartment without opening PM   the hood -- this avoids providing the fire with more oxygen, and it avoids sI   "diluting" the concentration of the extinguisher due to wind, etc, and  J   it can reduce the exposure to the combustion products.  (Though I can't I   say I've ever seen anywhere near the volume of fire with a computer as nD   is possible with the higher fuel load potentially available to an J   engine-compartment vehicle fire.)  Folks can get cranky when you jam theH   nozzle in through the hood, of course -- if this works and the fire isK   extinguished -- before a total write-off -- then the hole can be patched.'  J   If the VAX-11/750 is burning to the degree that you need an extinguisherI   for it, the computer system will more than likely be a total write-off.s  G   Oh, and if you are not trained and equipped with a self-contained air F   supply and other protective equipment and are presented with even a I   moderate fire, just cut the power and get out and call for help.  Some uH   of the combustion products that off-gas from residential fires -- muchH   less non-residential fires -- are exceedingly toxic.  Hydrogen cyanideK   (cyanide gass), hydrogen sulfide (turns into an acid within your lungs), wK   carbon monoxide, and a variety of other nasty products can and often are dI   generated, and these and other materials can lead to complications and P@   to fatalities either during exposure, or some hours afterward.  K   Don't mess around trying to save a VAX-11/750 at the expense of your own h   health.  Get out.t  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:45:05 -0500D# From: "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net>p& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point/ Message-ID: <sumtn6kfapljfe@corp.supernews.com>y  ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messagen0 news:8sfh7q$d3p$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com...  L >   Don't mess around trying to save a VAX-11/750 at the expense of your own >   health.  Get out.0  I Hey, I wouldn't stop to save a 750 20 years ago when I got my first. JustS' grab some marshmallows & watch it burn!"     --E ---------------------------------------------------------------------h Mark E. Levy, President7" System Management Associates, Inc.! 888-291-5055 x202 (Illinois Only) $ 847-291-1550 x202 (Outside Illinois) 847-291-3866 fax www.sysman-inc.com levy@sysman-inc.comhE ---------------------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:54:52 -0400a, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>" Subject: Re: Hobby VMS license....> Message-ID: <hshubs-497AC5.19545216102000@news.mindspring.com>  K In article <8sejqa$2uh$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, champ_clark666@my-deja.com wrote:   G >   I'll have to do the "SHOW BFLG" flag.  What does that show exactly, 	 >anyways?4  N Boot flags (how shall we boot?  Shall we boot with a debugger?  Shall we load J and go no further?  Shall we converse?  Shall we boot from an HSC?  other  things)e -- , Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:02:11 +0100e= From: "adrian.birkett" <adrian.birkett@unneccessary.ic24.net>o: Subject: How to determine the best cluster/partition sizes. Message-ID: <BjIG5.11531$QO4.18696@news2-hme0>   Hi,c  J As part of an upgrade project, we have to move some data from one set of = disksnJ to another. A colleage has sugested that there may be a tool or a bit of = DCL=20E somewhere that makes a best guess as to the best partition and disk =a blockmJ cluster sizes based on the number and size of the files that will occupy = the new space.  G If anyone has such a tool, or can offer any help at all please let me =C know.s   Thanks,    Ades   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:24:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: How to determine the best cluster/partition sizes6 Message-ID: <8sfkld$dn1$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  n In article <BjIG5.11531$QO4.18696@news2-hme0>, "adrian.birkett" <adrian.birkett@unneccessary.ic24.net> writes:I :As part of an upgrade project, we have to move some data from one set of M :disks to another. A colleage has sugested that there may be a tool or a bit tK :of DCL somewhere that makes a best guess as to the best partition and diskiI :block cluster sizes based on the number and size of the files that will e :occupy the new space.  L   Average waste is approximated by one half of the disk disk volume cluster J   factor times the number of files present on the disk -- on average, half9   of the last cluster of each file is effectively wasted.   K   This calculation is effectively a calculus local minima function, and I'dhJ   not choose to use DCL for calculus.  (I'm not going to suggest that thisK   cannot be done in DCL, because that would provoke somebody to go try it.)   I   OpenVMS V7.2 and later will permit a disk volume cluster factor of one  I   for disks with capacities of up to 137 GB.  Starting at that capacity,  9   you need (at least) a two block cluster factor setting.e  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:46:04 GMTv1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>N# Subject: Re: How to read "SHOW MEM" 2 Message-ID: <39EB5C89.7560C808@clarityconnect.com>  F If this system is currently running all the applications you expect itH to run and has had a peak load that will be typical then you can squeezeE more free memory out of it by dropping NPAGEDYN to 2,914,992.  If youn@ don't meet the above criteria then I'd leave it alone.  You willG probably want to find more ways to utilize the available free memory by ? installing frequently used images and possibly increasing users'G WSDEFAULTs & WSQUOTAs.  Also look for detached processes that could uselH more working sets.  Also increasing WSINC and decreasing WSDEC will helpD to utilize more memory.  For frequently accessed RMS files look into# setting up global buffers for them.p  
 fooguy wrote:m > G > Thank you everyone for replying. I've run autogen to tune the runningcI > parameters, which I now understand. I've also taken an image backup andf@ > restored it, which has made a huge improvement to file access. > G > To follow up to Mark's question, I will post my SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FULLt > parametes. >  > Thanks Again All.o > John >  > $ SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FULLeB >               System Memory Resources on 16-OCT-2000 13:13:12.74 > 1 > Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable)AC >     Current Size (bytes)       3702784    Current Size (pagelets)E > 7232C >     Initial Size               3702784    Initial Size (pagelets)n > 7232C >     Maximum Size              14811136    Maximum Size (pagelets)p > 28928o@ >     Free Space (bytes)         1079296    Space in Use (bytes)	 > 2623488 C >     Largest Variable Block      884928    Smallest Variable Blocke > 64E >     Number of Free Blocks          642    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes  > 45C >     Free Blocks on Lookasides      436    Lookaside Space (bytes)/ > 142464 > ' > (No Bus Addressable Memory allocated)o >  > Paged Dynamic MemoryC >     Current Size (PAGEDYN)     3145728    Current Size (pagelets)d > 6144@ >     Free Space (bytes)         1501296    Space in Use (bytes)	 > 1644432aC >     Largest Variable Block     1492112    Smallest Variable Blockm > 16E >     Number of Free Blocks          105    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytess > 91 > 4 > In article <39E5E208.CA61B43B@clarityconnect.com>,6 >   "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote:G > > VIOC could probably be increased but need SHOW MEMORY/CACHE/FULL toaH > > really see if it might make a difference.  Looks like your pools are > tooeH > > big but again need a SHOW MEMORY/POOL/FULL to see for sure.  Also goJ > > into SDA and do a CLUE MEM/STAT as this will be useful.  From this oneI > > display I'd say this is a system looking for ways to use more of it'sd > > physical memory. > >n > > --H > > Jilly - Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NYH > >       - jilly@clarityconnect.com                      - Brett Bodine > fan I > >       - Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com                        - since 1975 ore > so5 > >       - http://www.jilly.baka.com               -a > >l >  > --/ > ********************************************* * > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." >  > /* > John Eisenschmidtt. > fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org > (you know the drill) > */ > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    -- tD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:04:39 GMTi From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl># Subject: Re: How to read "SHOW MEM"P' Message-ID: <39EB6D66.4F0543E4@home.nl>o   Richard Brodie wrote:a > U > "fooguy" <jweisen@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8s2pi1$3c4$1@nnrp1.deja.com...A > K > > Also, about autogen, I usually save statistic when I shutdown, but do InL > > need to do anything at startup to make sure those take effect. I'm using > > OpenVMS Alpha 7.1s > 9 > Yes. You need to run AUTOGEN: @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN P1 P2s% > P1 and P2, are start at end phases.o > G > Typically P1 is SAVPARAMS: to work based on feedback from the currente> > system, or GETDATA: to read saved data from a previous boot. > A > For P2: TESTFILES, which will not make any changes or SETPARAMSeJ > which will generate new parameters (to load on a reboot). In either case; > a file SYS$SYSTEM:AGEN$PARAMS.REPORT is generated: browse 9 > through that, to check what it wants to do is sensible.  > " > > Physical Memory Usage (pages): > B > Stacks of free memory at the moment: good news, if it's typical. > D > > Virtual I/O Cache (Kbytes):        Total        Free      In UseD > >   Cache Memory                      3200           0        3200 > H > File cache at the default size, and full. Free space in the file cacheF > does no good, so that's fine. If you've got lots memory spare, might< > be worth upping the cache size (VCC_MAXSIZE in MODPARAMS).+ > SHOW MEM/CACHE/FULL for more information.,  E Not good at all in my opinion. SHOW MEM/CACHE/FULL will also give you E the read hit rate. That should be as high as possible, > 80% would be0H good. If you have a small percentage of cache memory free, then you know0 that you make the best use of your cache memory.     > % > > Granularity Hint Regions (pages):cH > Not so interesting: free here is more or less useless, so that's fine. > D > > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident1 > Not close to running out of processes, so fine.i > D > > Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use7 > Useful to see the original numbers: SH MEM/POOL/FULL.hA > Having the initial allocation about equal to the usage is fine.  > D > > Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        PeakD > > Memory Reservations (pages):                Reserved      In Use > Too obscure for me.c > D > > Paging File Usage (blocks):                     Free  Reservable0 > Hardly using them at all, so no problem there. > @ > Summary: looks fine if it's typical. Stacks of memory free, soB > you might want to consider making the file cache bigger. I wouldD > start by a test run of AUTOGEN, and study the report. If you still8 > have memory free at peak load, increase VCC_MAXSIZE in6 > MODPARAMS and repeat. Change things only when you're5 > reasonably confident what you're doing. In general:t >  > 1. Buy more memory.s > 2. That's it.  > ! > You can probably omit step 1 ;)f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:52:04 -0400s) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net3 Subject: Re: HSC 50 Question9 Message-ID: <39eb6b68$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>s  4 In <39ead775.14970907@news.cis.dfn.de>, on 10/16/00 7    at 10:47 AM, kerkhoff@gmx.de (Volker Kerkhoff) said:-  E Wow.  You don't happen to know somebody with an obscure VAX 11/750 ordI 11/730 do you?  I believe these machines contained the same little casset H tape drive.  If you are going to continue using this HSC you may need to= look at having a backup tape drive in a sealed bag somewhere.4  > Do you have DSN?  If you can get to DSN I believe you can findH instructions in the older VMS 4.X release notes about making those tapesI for both the 11/x Vax and the HSC machines.  Been a long time since I saw I either.  But the really old VMS release notes from when that hardware wasTC popular should have instructions for making boot tapes after systemg: upgrade.  You may need to search the doc for "stand alone"   Roland       >Hi, .  " >Guess I have a funny one for you!  I >Ve've a HSC50 Array controller which is still in use here. Last week, we.I >had a power outage, UPS did not come in, and we were in deep shit, sincei? >the thing at first wasn't able to reload its software from the G >mini-tapes, since they were filled with some type of black gunk. Guesso3 >nobody bothered cleanig them in a couple of years."  G >So, I cleaned them, tried again with the same tape, and it did't work.r  J >Eventually, I was able to boot it from some obscure backup tape that cameI >out of some unclear sources. Yet, now this is the last tape we have, andeD >I would really like very much to have a backup. Our assigned CompaqI >tecnician doesn not even have a clue about these things, and the manuals-  >seem to have long dissapeared.   ( >I understand we have two possibilities:  G >1. Create a new tape from the original system software tape by somehowc< >"merging" thet parametrization with the SW into a new tape.  H >2. Copy an existing tape with parametrization to create a backup of the >one I was  able to boot.3  D >Can anyone provide a brief outline on how any of these can be done.G >Compaq here in Spain do not seem to know, and since I have no manuals,rF >I'm on my own here. Even my Boss, the former "VAXorcist" in the house >does not remember.u   >Greetings, and TIA,   >Volker    -- r; -----------------------------------------------------------uD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:06:23 -0700i* From: John Hagan <jhagan@axarosenberg.com> Subject: RE: HSC 50 QuestionD Message-ID: <965B0ED2AEEDD311954A0000F8C1C0CE0CEC14@Rmatsc.Riem.Com>  2 the hsc50 had dual tu58's.  Do a "copy dda0: dda1:  < I beleive that is the correct commands... if not do "copy ?"   Regards,
 John Hagan   -----Original Message-----) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netn, [mailto:yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net]& Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:52 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- Subject: Re: HSC 50 Question    4 In <39ead775.14970907@news.cis.dfn.de>, on 10/16/00 7    at 10:47 AM, kerkhoff@gmx.de (Volker Kerkhoff) said:e  E Wow.  You don't happen to know somebody with an obscure VAX 11/750 or1I 11/730 do you?  I believe these machines contained the same little casseteH tape drive.  If you are going to continue using this HSC you may need to= look at having a backup tape drive in a sealed bag somewhere.   > Do you have DSN?  If you can get to DSN I believe you can findH instructions in the older VMS 4.X release notes about making those tapesI for both the 11/x Vax and the HSC machines.  Been a long time since I saw I either.  But the really old VMS release notes from when that hardware was C popular should have instructions for making boot tapes after systemu: upgrade.  You may need to search the doc for "stand alone"   Roland       >Hi, i  " >Guess I have a funny one for you!  I >Ve've a HSC50 Array controller which is still in use here. Last week, wedI >had a power outage, UPS did not come in, and we were in deep shit, sinced? >the thing at first wasn't able to reload its software from theuG >mini-tapes, since they were filled with some type of black gunk. Guessf3 >nobody bothered cleanig them in a couple of years.e  G >So, I cleaned them, tried again with the same tape, and it did't work..  J >Eventually, I was able to boot it from some obscure backup tape that cameI >out of some unclear sources. Yet, now this is the last tape we have, andeD >I would really like very much to have a backup. Our assigned CompaqI >tecnician doesn not even have a clue about these things, and the manualse  >seem to have long dissapeared.   ( >I understand we have two possibilities:  G >1. Create a new tape from the original system software tape by somehow < >"merging" thet parametrization with the SW into a new tape.  H >2. Copy an existing tape with parametrization to create a backup of the >one I was  able to boot.r  D >Can anyone provide a brief outline on how any of these can be done.G >Compaq here in Spain do not seem to know, and since I have no manuals,oF >I'm on my own here. Even my Boss, the former "VAXorcist" in the house >does not remember.a   >Greetings, and TIA,   >Volkere   -- o; -----------------------------------------------------------eD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------S   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 22:46:13 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: HSC 50 Question6 Message-ID: <8sg0fl$gbf$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <39ead775.14970907@news.cis.dfn.de>, kerkhoff@gmx.de (Volker Kerkhoff) writes:d  F :Ve've a HSC50 Array controller which is still in use here. Last week,D :we had a power outage, UPS did not come in, and we were in deep...,E :since the thing at first wasn't able to reload its software from thepG :mini-tapes, since they were filled with some type of black gunk. Guessl3 :nobody bothered cleanig them in a couple of years.-  C   The HSC50, the VAX-11/725, VAX-11/730, and VAX-11/750 (and a few nD   other widgets) were configured with the TU58 cartridge tape drive.>   This tape drive emulates a disk drive.  Slowly, I might add.  I :...Our assigned Compaq tecnician doesn not even have a clue about these - :things,...-  A   There are many days when I wish I could say the same thing. :-)   3 :...and the manuals seem to have long dissapeared. m :s( :I understand we have two possibilities: ..  C   The usual approach would be to create a new configuration on youraC   TU58 using a copy of an HSC50 distribution and the HSC50 console.eC   You can create it from the host or (more commonly) via a new TU58eD   and some (manual) commands to reset the HSC50 controller settings.  D   Per the old documentation, the upgrade process was manual -- copy G   (or print) the settings from the HSC50 console, load (or reload) the nF   new TU58, reboot, and (effectively) transcribe the settings over to 0   the new media, and then reboot the controller.  -   The usual/current settings are visible via:n     SETSHO> show system4  F   Then once the new TU58 media is loaded/created/materialized and the ,   HSC50 controller is rebooted over onto it:     SETSHO> set name hscAAAAAA     SETSHO> set id %xNNNNN     SETSHO> set allocate disk Na     SETSHO> set allocate tape Nh,     SETSHO> set server disk drive_timeout=N      SETSHO> enable reboot   5   You will need to reboot after resetting the values.e  D :Can anyone provide a brief outline on how any of these can be done.G :Compaq here in Spain do not seem to know, and since I have no manuals,lF :I'm on my own here. Even my Boss, the former "VAXorcist" in the house :does not remember.2  4   To bring the HSC50 TU58 on-line from OpenVMS, use:  A   On the HSC50 console, enable the disk services and temporarily n5   bring the TU58 drive on-line to the host system(s):a     HSC> r setshoe'     SETSHO> set server disk/load_accessi     SETSHO> enable reboot@     <reboot HSC50 now>     HSC> set Dxxxx host_access     Over on OpenVMS:     $ MOUNT/FOREIGN disk     $ EXCHANGE     EXCHANGE> directory...     EXCHANGE> copy...t     Back on the HSC50:*     SETSHO> set server disk /noload_access  I   AFAIK, all of this information is covered in the HSC50 operating systemf"   documentation and release notes.  H   IIRC, one of the last versions of the controller operating system for G   the HSC50 series was V41A.  I have a Compaq-internal pointer to V41A.   J   Once done, I'd create a BACKUP of the TU58 and stuff it inside the HSC50I   cabinet.  (Various of these HSC50 controllers did have a spot to store 'K   TU58 tapes inside the door.  If not, well, wrap the spare TU58 cartridge sL   in something that will protect it before you duct-tape it into the HSC50.)   	--p  J   Somebody else mentioned using the old CONSCOPY or similar directions forM   making backup copies of the (console) TU58 -- that information would point dM   you in the right direction for the EXCHANGE commands and such, but I'd not -K   really expect it to cover the command sequence used to bring the TU58 in  J   the HSC50 online to OpenVMS.  OpenVMS VAX (and particularly OpenVMS VAX L   upgrades) really only care about the console TU58 cartridge contents, and J   not about the contents of the TU58 resident out in the HSC50 controller.M   The last OpenVMS VAX release that had official support for the VAX systems  N   using the TU58 console (the VAX-11/725, VAX-11/730, VAX-11/750, VAX-11/751) K   was OpenVMS VAX V6.2 -- though nothing was particularly changed in later 2L   OpenVMS releases to explicitly prevent these old VAX systems from booting.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:04:20 -0400s2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: HSC 50 Question7 Message-ID: <200010162104_MC2-B728-9436@compuserve.com>n  J         Unless you have a supply of blank tapes, it may be impossible!  M= ypJ (dim) recollection is that these boxes booted from a TU58.  I haven't see= naJ one since I scrapped out my first VAX (11/750) ca. 1990 and I'm glad.  If=  J you must run SDI disks, consider buying an HSC70 or an HSC95.  These shou= ldJ be considerably easier to find than TU58 tapes.  They may also be cheaper= . =   J If you do this, stock up on RX50 diskettes; it is already difficult to fi= nd them..  F         My own preference would be to junk the HSC50 and the disks andF replace them with an HSJ50 or HSJ70 controller and SCSI disks.  Yes, ID know, it costs money.  It's a lot cheaper to maintain than the older8 hardware and it's much faster.  It's also more reliable.  ' Message text written by Volker Kerkhoffe" >Guess I have a funny one for you!  E Ve've a HSC50 Array controller which is still in use here. Last week,VE we had a power outage, UPS did not come in, and we were in deep shit,BD since the thing at first wasn't able to reload its software from theF mini-tapes, since they were filled with some type of black gunk. Guess2 nobody bothered cleanig them in a couple of years.  F So, I cleaned them, tried again with the same tape, and it did't work.  D Eventually, I was able to boot it from some obscure backup tape thatC came out of some unclear sources. Yet, now this is the last tape we F have, and I would really like very much to have a backup. Our assignedC Compaq tecnician doesn not even have a clue about these things, and , the manuals seem to have long dissapeared. =    ' I understand we have two possibilities:b  F 1. Create a new tape from the original system software tape by somehow; "merging" thet parametrization with the SW into a new tape.   C 2. Copy an existing tape with parametrization to create a backup ofd the one I was  able to boot.  C Can anyone provide a brief outline on how any of these can be done.iF Compaq here in Spain do not seem to know, and since I have no manuals,E I'm on my own here. Even my Boss, the former "VAXorcist" in the house  does not remember.<r   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:12:33 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: html on vms+ Message-ID: <ioTD5we4mukx@eisner.decus.org>   w In article <6tjG5.2696$7N.143757@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes:a' > I reckon I need to install a browser." > J > The FAQ talks about releasing Netscape Navigator Mozilla sometime in theK > future (1999??).  Has this come to pass?  Is this the recommended browser 
 > for VMS?  C Yes, a Mozilla test kit is downloadable, no its not The Recommended I Browser (it's not even an official release).  Your VMS system should havesC Mosiac on it, you can get lynx, or you can get Navigator 3.03 Gold.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GrouphE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingg   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:59:51 GMTu1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> C Subject: Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?i2 Message-ID: <39EB51B5.1DDF2E42@clarityconnect.com>  H WAG - Check to see if the CONFIGURE process is running, if it isn't thenF @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP CONFIG to get it started and see if the disks thenF show up.  Also go into SDA and do a SHOW CONN and see if the Number ofF Free CDTs > 1, if it is not then increase SCSCONNCNT by 40 and reboot.   sms@antinode.org wrote:  > / > From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com>  > K > > I could be wrong here (happens all the time), but I believe you need tok: > > set ALLOCLASS to a non-zero value to MSCP serve disks. > E >    I think it happened again.  It never has been needed for locally'B > attached disks (tapes).  Also, note that while both systems haveJ > ALLOCLASS = 0, the VAX sees the Alpha disks, but not the other way.  The > asymmetry bothers me.c > + > From: Maulis Adam <maulis@ludens.elte.hu>h > G > > $ MCR SYSGEN HELP SYS_PARAM MSCP_SERVE_ALL      ! changed since 7.1,G > > $ MCR SYSGEN HELP SYS_PARAM TMSCP_SERVE_ALL     ! changed since 7.1H > G >    So far as I can see, "1" says serve everything.  The VAX says it'sO- > serving them.  The Alpha does not see them.h > H >    Of course, the help for TMSCP_SERVE_ALL refers, in places, to disks6 > rather than tapes, but I assume that the ideas hold: > ( >                                  vvvvvJ > >        o  0 - Do not serve any disks (the default for earlier versions > >           of OpenVMS).+ >                                     vvvvvl, > >        o  1 - Serve all available disks.J >                                                                    vvvvvK > >        o  2 - Serve only locally attached (non-HSx and non-DSSI) disks.r > >lF > >        If the TMSCP_LOAD system parameter is 0, TMSCP_SERVE_ALL is > >        ignored.e > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)bE >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) I >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)u; >    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    -- iD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:02:28 -0500 (CDT)l From: sms@antinode.orgC Subject: Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?-) Message-ID: <00101621022834@antinode.org>1  1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>aJ > WAG - Check to see if the CONFIGURE process is running, if it isn't thenH > @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP CONFIG to get it started and see if the disks thenH > show up.  Also go into SDA and do a SHOW CONN and see if the Number ofH > Free CDTs > 1, if it is not then increase SCSCONNCNT by 40 and reboot.  C    Sadly, I crashed the thing while fooling with a CD-RW drive, now G disconnected, and upon reboot it was healthier, so further work on thiso0 topic will have to wait for another opportunity.  H    This thing appears to have the fussiest SCSI bus of any machine in myF (limited) experience.  I have an internal CD-ROM drive and disk drive,G and an external EXB-8500 tape drive.  The visible cable length is aboutcA a meter, and if I add anything else, the thing goes nuts (errors,h resets, hangs, crashes).      Thanks for trying.f  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home) C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)eG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)n9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)a   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:23:36 -0200e) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre Subject: LATACCT.EXEL Message-ID: <OF219AAD5E.4F152B6E-ON8325697A.006A61DC@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  D Do you know a program called LATACCT.EXE ???? It was used to ACCOUNT connections of+ DECSERVERS ports (for dial up connections).s  8 Compaq doesnt know if it was from DEC, Freeware etc ....  = I am not sure if it was developed in house (a decade ago)....    Regards    FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:12:41 GMTd From: fatz_nyc@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Mail forwarding) Message-ID: <8sfgeg$rbb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G > I'd like to keep a local copy of all incoming mail on my account. How2 voulda
 > I do this ?  >h   What you can't do:  > -- SET FORWARD to a list of addresses (MAIL command definition restriction)F -- SET FORWARD "@DIST.DIS" (forwarding tries to read it as a username)E -- SET COPY_SELF FORWARD (auto forwarding isn't the same mechanism asy manual forwarding)  F BUT - you *can* use a list of addresses in a logical name.  You *must*E use the much-mentioned, undocumented underscore prefix otherwise MAIL-G will complain about loopy forwarding.  You must also define the logical"H in the SYSTEM table OR in a table MAIL$SERVER will check when processing
 the delivery.     3 $ DEFINE/SYSTEM forwarding_list _MYUSERNAME, recip1-  ! MAIL> SET FORWARD forwarding_list-  7 That oughta do what you want without extra programming.    Fatz.r    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 21:47:23 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)a Subject: Re: Mail forwarding! Message-ID: <48PO7zKLe+q8@ludens>f  F In article <8sfgeg$rbb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, fatz_nyc@my-deja.com writes: [...]c > What you can't do: > @ > -- SET FORWARD to a list of addresses (MAIL command definition > restriction)H > -- SET FORWARD "@DIST.DIS" (forwarding tries to read it as a username)G > -- SET COPY_SELF FORWARD (auto forwarding isn't the same mechanism ask > manual forwarding) > H > BUT - you *can* use a list of addresses in a logical name.  You *must*   How?  / The way that you suggest seems lucky hack, but:n  1 $$ !SYSTEM user, vax/vms v7.2, VAXstation 4000/60o $$ mailn  
 MAIL> sh forwH& You have not set a forwarding address.   MAIL>  Exiti# $$ define /sys apple _maulis,systemh $$ mail ! MAIL> set forw apple /user=maulis 
 MAIL> mail To:     maulis
 Subj:   probe H Enter your message below. Press CTRL/Z when complete, or CTRL/C to quit: *Exit*
 MAIL> dir/newt" %MAIL-W-NONEWMAIL, no new messages
 MAIL> exit% $$ define /sys apple "_MAULIS,SYSTEM" = %DCL-I-SUPERSEDE, previous value of APPLE has been supersededt $$ mailu   MAIL> m  To:     maulis6 %MAIL-E-USERSPEC, invalid user specification ',SYSTEM'  
 MAIL> exit $$     I tried def/sys/exec too.a       Adam Maulisl    " > You must also define the logicalJ > in the SYSTEM table OR in a table MAIL$SERVER will check when processing > the delivery.g >  > 5 > $ DEFINE/SYSTEM forwarding_list _MYUSERNAME, recip1a > # > MAIL> SET FORWARD forwarding_liste > 9 > That oughta do what you want without extra programming.l >  > Fatz.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:39:16 GMT.! From: Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com>  Subject: Re: Mail forwarding) Message-ID: <8sfsi4$6de$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    > How? > 1 > The way that you suggest seems lucky hack, but:e >r3 > $$ !SYSTEM user, vax/vms v7.2, VAXstation 4000/60i	 > $$ mailt >e  D Having tested it again, I get the same behaviour as you so I must've( made a mistake somewhere along the line.   Sorry folks,     Fatz.e    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:58:22 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a- Subject: Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failureC, Message-ID: <39EB880D.D3120457@videotron.ca>    richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote:H > Although the problem is solved, it is curious that 44 is ss$_abort andH > zero could represent a newly initialized iosb. Was the trashed pointer > on the stack?s  L It couldn't have been on the stack because the routine was being called withE no argument supplied, but the routine was defined with one argument. e    M I need to learn how stacks really work before making conclusions. (I know how K Postscript stacks work, and I know the IBM 390 subroutine calling standard,-N but have never had to delve deeply onto the VMS one and how VMS implements its+ stacks. (I guess I have to learn that now).s   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:21:37 -0400@- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a- Subject: Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure , Message-ID: <39EB8D7E.D576C87D@videotron.ca>   Hoff Hoffman wrote:sH >   I commonly use my own calls to the lib$vm services rather than the CJ >   malloc and free calls, as I can also use the verification services andI >   I can see exactly what is going on, and I can use the lookaside listso3 >   and allocation schemes appropriate to the call.n  L I had built my own wrappers as well to test the malloc. The wrapper not onlyK logged every request, but also kept its own table of allocated pointers andr how big the block was. m  N In the "offending" malloc, malloc was properly being fed the size (46 bytes), K malloc would call some routine in DECC$RTL and that would call something in  LIB$RTL (probably the lib$vm).  M What I don't quite understand is no matter what the status of the stack, if IrG put one argument on it, and call a routine which requires one argument,cJ shouldn't this function properly ? I can understand a stack underflow willF eventually happen in the program, but for a particular call, if enoughG arguments are fed to the stack, shouldn't this allow the routine to run5
 properly ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:29:18 -0400-2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>- Subject: Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failuret7 Message-ID: <200010162029_MC2-B728-926F@compuserve.com>h  F         Try the architecture manuals, I&DS, the calling standard, etc.  J         I would suggest that you may be better off not knowing exactly ho= wiA it works.  You don't manipulate the stack directly unless you aretJ programming in Macro.  Knowing is more likely to get you into trouble tha= n J to get you out of it.  If you remember to pop what you push or ensure tha= teH the routine you are calling does so, you will not need to know much else	 about it.o    Message text written by JF MezeiG >However, I do have a question: Is there some good document that reallya2 explains how the stacks work on VAX (and alpha) ?<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:21:43 +1000nI From: "Robin Houston @ Air Warfare Systems Centre" <aawsc@fastrac.net.au>O" Subject: Memory allocation problem3 Message-ID: <udLG5.8$gy1.1654@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>n  
 G'day All,D Trying to run a DECwindows application and keep getting Insufficient! memory;memory allocation failure.S@ Followed the manual and have been tweaking away with no success.4 System specs are : Vax station 4000/90 with 80MB ram Here's the user's quota:A Username: SYSTEM                           Owner:  SYSTEM MANAGER:C Account:  SYSTEM                           UIC:    [1,4] ([SYSTEM])i< CLI:      DCL                              Tables: DCLTABLES Default:  SYS$SYSROOT:[SYSMGR] LGICMD:  Flags:# Primary days:   Mon Tue Wed Thu Frii+ Secondary days:                     Sat Sun  No access restrictionsD Expiration:            (none)    Pwdminimum:  8   Login Fails:     0> Pwdlifetime:         30 00:00    Pwdchange:  17-SEP-2000 08:28> Last Login:            (none) (interactive),            (none) (non-interactive),9 Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       500  Bytlm:       240000p9 Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0 9 Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       500  JTquota:       4096a9 Prclm:          10  DIOlm:      4096  WSdef:        10240U9 Prio:            6  ASTlm:      4106  WSquo:        32768r9 Queprio:         0  TQElm:       128  WSextent:     50000 9 CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      1200  Pgflquo:     500000g Authorized Privileges:D   ACNT      ALLSPOOL  ALTPRI    AUDIT     BUGCHK    BYPASS    CMEXEC CMKRNLD   IMPERSONATDIAGNOSE  DOWNGRADE EXQUOTA   GROUP     GRPNAM    GRPPRV IMPORTD   LOG_IO    MOUNT     NETMBX    OPER      PFNMAP    PHY_IO    PRMCEB PRMGBLC   PRMMBX    PSWAPM    READALL   SECURITY  SETPRV    SHARE     SHMEM  SYSGBLC   SYSLCK    SYSNAM    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    UPGRADE   VOLPRO    WORLD  Default Privileges:2D   ACNT      ALLSPOOL  ALTPRI    AUDIT     BUGCHK    BYPASS    CMEXEC CMKRNLD   IMPERSONATDIAGNOSE  DOWNGRADE EXQUOTA   GROUP     GRPNAM    GRPPRV IMPORTD   LOG_IO    MOUNT     NETMBX    OPER      PFNMAP    PHY_IO    PRMCEB PRMGBLC   PRMMBX    PSWAPM    READALL   SECURITY  SETPRV    SHARE     SHMEM- SYSGBLC   SYSLCK    SYSNAM    SYSPRV    TMPMBX    UPGRADE   VOLPRO    WORLDa  - and here's a copy of my latest modparams fileH SCSNODE="TEKTRO" SCSSYSTEMID=1691 VAXCLUSTER=0 WINDOW_SYSTEM=1c MIN_CHANNELCNT=255 min_GBLPAGES =250000 MIN_GBLSECTIONS=3000 MIN_SPTREQ=11000 MIN_ERRORLOGBUFFERS=14 MIN_GBLPAGFIL=120000 MIN_SWPOUTPGCNT=10000a MIN_MAXBUF=8000n MIN_VIRTUALPAGECNT=525000i MIN_WSMAX=22500c MIN_WSINC=1000 MIN_PQL_DWSDEFAULT=10240 MIN_PQL_DWSQUOTA=20480 MIN_PQL_DWSEXTENT=22500  MIN_PQL_MWSDEFAULT=10240 MIN_PQL_MWSQUOTA=20480 MIN_PQL_MWSEXTENT=22500  MIN_NPAGEDYN=5000000 MIN_PAGEDYN=2400000t MIN_PQL_MBYTLM=75000 PAGEFILE=550000  SWAPFILE=150000    $ sh mem/pool/full@               System Memory Resources on 17-OCT-2000 09:18:59.00  / Nonpaged Dynamic Memory      (Lists + Variable)SL     Current Size (bytes)       4999680    Current Total Size (pages)    9765L     Initial Size (NPAGEDYN)    4999680    Initial Size (pages)          9765L     Maximum Size (NPAGEVIR)   24999936    Maximum Size (pages)         48828L     Free Space (bytes)         3920320    Space in Use (bytes)       1079360L     Size of Largest Block      3830976    Size of Smallest Block          64L     Number of Free Blocks           53    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes        2L     Free Blocks on Lookasides       44    Lookaside Space (bytes)      45760   Paged Dynamic MemoryL     Current Size (PAGEDYN)     2414080    Current Total Size (pages)    4715L     Free Space (bytes)         2234384    Space in Use (bytes)        179696L     Size of Largest Block      2233456    Size of Smallest Block          16L     Number of Free Blocks           27    Free Blocks LEQU 64 Bytes       25  9 Can anyone give me a few pointers as to what to try next?   H Just about tried everything, fairly certain it's some little parameter I have overlooked,( but for the life of me I cannot find it.   Thankyou in advance,  
 Robin Houstonw   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:37:36 +1000oI From: "Robin Houston @ Air Warfare Systems Centre" <aawsc@fastrac.net.au>e& Subject: Re: Memory allocation problem4 Message-ID: <65OG5.44$gy1.2816@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>  I At the advice from a friend I have just increased my swapfile to the sameA size as the pagefile (550,000) Robine   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:11:02 GMT0  From: champ_clark666@my-deja.com2 Subject: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done) Message-ID: <8sfncg$1s1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  H 	I posted a few days ago about a MV3100/80 boot problem I was having.  IF still haven't gotten it solved,  but I have a little more information.H At this point,  I'm pretty sure DKA0: took a dump at some point and I'llE have to reload VMS.....  Heres what I got so far,  any input would bee appreciated....   ; 	When I turn on the system,  it tests memory (sucessfully), F and then drops me to the ">>>" prompt (the system is not setup to auto boot - SHOW HALT = 3).  > 	At that point,  if I enter "B" (to boot) I get the following:   >>> b-    . -DKA0. ?06 HLT INST   PC= 00000B15 PSL= 041F0004  9 	.. and back to the ">>>" prompt.  A "b/1" gets me to thee= same place (I can't get to SYSBOOT>...).  I run "TEST 10" andrD "TEST SCSI" which appear to be "OK".  For that fact,  I run "TEST 1"F through "TEST 10" and they all appear to be okay.  This unit does haveF a second harddrive (DKA100),  but doesn't have VMS loaded on it (was aC user drive).  For grins,  I do a "B DKA100",  and I get a "FILE NOT E FOUND MESSAGE" (which I would expect) and the same HLT INST error (PCeD and PSL are the same).  This unit is a couple hundred miles from me,B so I had a friend re-seat the RAM,  and do a little swaping around; of the harddrives (testing cables and such).  No such luck.   < 	So,  all-in-all,  it seems to pass all TEST's,  and I thinkB the second SCSI drive is fine.   At some point,  I'm guessing thatB DKA0: got mangled.  This is wierd,  because it was working..  thenG bam! Not working.   I'm thinking the next time I'm within reach of this F unit (physically),  I'll replace (or swap) DKA0: and reload VMS.  I've got a question here.....  A -	How picky are MV3100's with CD drives.   I have a SCSI CD drive = 	that came off a RS6000/520,  and I was thinking I would justw  	use that to reload the OS with.  <  	Thanks to everyone that responded to me.  I apperciated itD a lot... Looks like a reload of OpenVMS is in order.  Looking on theF bright side,  atleast I'll be going from 5.5-2 to 7.2, eh..  Hopefully- that will solve this little problem of mine..y   					- Champ    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 22:12:51 GMTs/ From: "Tom Simpson" <simpsont@xxx.mediaone.net>s6 Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im doneF Message-ID: <D3LG5.24314$h%1.122946@typhoon.jacksonville.mediaone.net>  J There are some jumper differences for CD ROM drives that were used on PCs. I B think the VMS FAQ may have some additional information about that.  F If you need blank TK50s, let me know.  I have several laying around...  F You might try to boot DK0 and DK100 from root E.  Most system managersG would have had a standalone backup system build on one or the other (ord both) F disk in the event that the system disk failed.  Booting from a TK50 is	 painfully  slow....  
 Good luck. -Tom  - <champ_clark666@my-deja.com> wrote in messageu# news:8sfncg$1s1$1@nnrp1.deja.com...- >8 >vI > I posted a few days ago about a MV3100/80 boot problem I was having.  IiH > still haven't gotten it solved,  but I have a little more information.J > At this point,  I'm pretty sure DKA0: took a dump at some point and I'llG > have to reload VMS.....  Heres what I got so far,  any input would bea > appreciated....5 > < > When I turn on the system,  it tests memory (sucessfully),H > and then drops me to the ">>>" prompt (the system is not setup to auto > boot - SHOW HALT = 3). >R? > At that point,  if I enter "B" (to boot) I get the following:g >D > >>> b2 >2 >  . > -DKA0. > ?06 HLT INST >   PC= 00000B15 PSL= 041F0004 >c: > .. and back to the ">>>" prompt.  A "b/1" gets me to the? > same place (I can't get to SYSBOOT>...).  I run "TEST 10" andtF > "TEST SCSI" which appear to be "OK".  For that fact,  I run "TEST 1"H > through "TEST 10" and they all appear to be okay.  This unit does haveH > a second harddrive (DKA100),  but doesn't have VMS loaded on it (was aE > user drive).  For grins,  I do a "B DKA100",  and I get a "FILE NOTtG > FOUND MESSAGE" (which I would expect) and the same HLT INST error (PCtF > and PSL are the same).  This unit is a couple hundred miles from me,D > so I had a friend re-seat the RAM,  and do a little swaping around= > of the harddrives (testing cables and such).  No such luck.  >l= > So,  all-in-all,  it seems to pass all TEST's,  and I thinkiD > the second SCSI drive is fine.   At some point,  I'm guessing thatD > DKA0: got mangled.  This is wierd,  because it was working..  thenI > bam! Not working.   I'm thinking the next time I'm within reach of this H > unit (physically),  I'll replace (or swap) DKA0: and reload VMS.  I've > got a question here..... >4C > - How picky are MV3100's with CD drives.   I have a SCSI CD drive > > that came off a RS6000/520,  and I was thinking I would just! > use that to reload the OS with.3 > > >   Thanks to everyone that responded to me.  I apperciated itF > a lot... Looks like a reload of OpenVMS is in order.  Looking on theH > bright side,  atleast I'll be going from 5.5-2 to 7.2, eh..  Hopefully/ > that will solve this little problem of mine..o >i	 > - Champc >n >s( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  + Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 17:13:54 -0500 (CDT)C From: sms@antinode.org2 Subject: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done) Message-ID: <00101617135441@antinode.org>i  
    Mr. Clark:s  J > At this point,  I'm pretty sure DKA0: took a dump at some point and I'll > have to reload VMS.....u      Sounds likely to me.i   > [...] H > and then drops me to the ">>>" prompt (the system is not setup to auto > boot - SHOW HALT = 3).  C    Right.  1 = restart (useless?), 2 = reboot, 3 = halt, I believe.   F    BFLG specifies a default /[R5:]xxx value, so that a plain "B" could, act like a "B/1", for example (if BFLG = 1).   >  . > -DKA0. > ?06 HLT INST >   PC= 00000B15 PSL= 041F0004  .    Sounds to me like hardware or corrupt data.  5 . [...]  I'll replace (or swap) DKA0: and reload VMS.f  E    Reasonable.  You could, for a good time, also try "B/E0000000", tokH see if there's a good copy of standalone BACKUP on DKA0, but it's likely1 to fail the same way as the normal boot attempts.s  C > -	How picky are MV3100's with CD drives.   I have a SCSI CD driver? > 	that came off a RS6000/520,  and I was thinking I would just " > 	use that to reload the OS with.  B    512-byte blocks are a requirement.  Some drives can do it, manyC can't.  Finding a block-size jumper is a good sign.  Other than thefH obvious DEC RRD4x choices (x >= 2, for sane folks), in the obsolete junkD category, Toshiba XM-3301 or XM-3401 (2X, as I recall) work for me. F (There are some easy-cut traces on a PCB inside which were intended asH one-time jumpers.)  I would not bet on the IBM drive as-is, but some IBMG drives are Toshiba, so you could get (slightly) lucky.  Units with eBay A descriptions saying "Sun-bootable" tend to be good choices.  (Old D SPARCstations had the same 512-byte block requirement.)  (The CR-ROMF drive on the local obsolete RS/6000 (320H?) died some time ago, and weF figured that we'd do the required research on a replacement if we everH applied power to the thing again.  Thus, I should know if it'd work, but	 I don't.)l  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)IC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)u9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)r   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:51:12 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>i6 Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done/ Message-ID: <sun8fklarapca1@corp.supernews.com>y  L > > At this point,  I'm pretty sure DKA0: took a dump at some point and I'll > > have to reload VMS.....   K Most VAXstations that I am aware of shipped with the boot disk addressed as  DKA300:-  4 Are you sure that you are booting to the right disk?   -Johnm wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:03:37 GMT.  From: champ_clark666@my-deja.com6 Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done) Message-ID: <8sgj2o$p1h$1@nnrp1.deja.com>i  G >    Reasonable.  You could, for a good time, also try "B/E0000000", to C > see if there's a good copy of standalone BACKUP on DKA0, but it's, likely3 > to fail the same way as the normal boot attempts.o  < 	What the hell.. I'll give it a whirl... I doubt it as well. > E > > -	How picky are MV3100's with CD drives.   I have a SCSI CD driveuA > > 	that came off a RS6000/520,  and I was thinking I would just.$ > > 	use that to reload the OS with. >yD >    512-byte blocks are a requirement.  Some drives can do it, manyE > can't.  Finding a block-size jumper is a good sign.  Other than theWE > obvious DEC RRD4x choices (x >= 2, for sane folks), in the obsoletee junkE > category, Toshiba XM-3301 or XM-3401 (2X, as I recall) work for me.hH > (There are some easy-cut traces on a PCB inside which were intended asF > one-time jumpers.)  I would not bet on the IBM drive as-is, but some IBM D > drives are Toshiba, so you could get (slightly) lucky.  Units with eBayC > descriptions saying "Sun-bootable" tend to be good choices.  (OldgF > SPARCstations had the same 512-byte block requirement.)  (The CR-ROMH > drive on the local obsolete RS/6000 (320H?) died some time ago, and weH > figured that we'd do the required research on a replacement if we everF > applied power to the thing again.  Thus, I should know if it'd work, but  > I don't.)t >l  C 	Wow.. Steve.. You pretty much read my mind.  I've kept around, forlD years now,  a "sun-bootable" CD drive for years now for exactly that? reason.   For loading and playing with OS's on old Sparcs (SS2,hB IPX's,  etc)...  I just used it the other day on a SS5,  so I knowD its working.  Man,  if that works that would be a relief.... If not,B there was a guy here in Jacksonville that offered to let me borrowG his RRD42.  In that case,  I'd just bring the 3100 back to JacksonvillesG and meet up with him (I'd just feel better doing that)... I'll bet thatl@ old POS CD drive I've used on Sparcs for years does the trick...  : 	Once again,  Steve...  thanks for the great information..   				- Champ     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 04:06:33 GMT   From: champ_clark666@my-deja.com6 Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done) Message-ID: <8sgj86$p3u$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  / In article <sun8fklarapca1@corp.supernews.com>,-,   "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> wrote:E > > > At this point,  I'm pretty sure DKA0: took a dump at some point: and I'll > > > have to reload VMS.....g >D@ > Most VAXstations that I am aware of shipped with the boot disk addressed as	 > DKA300:S >h6 > Are you sure that you are booting to the right disk? >u  G 	Yeah...  I've actually worked with this unit a few years ago before itl was given to me..t  ? 	A "Show Device" shows two 1.2 (or so) gig HD's..  The bootableo8 one has always been DKA0:...  the user drive was DKA100:  < 	Oh..  and this is a MicroVAX 3100/80... not a VAXstation...   > -Johna > wb8tyw@qsl.network >o >e    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.F   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:18:56 +0000a From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>k+ Subject: Re: Need help on License questions-' Message-ID: <39EB4690.73D453DD@fsi.net>1   maxx13@my-deja.com wrote:t > 3 > I support a standalone VAXstation 3100 M38 with a / > 5-user license.  Someone from my organizationu/ > gave me a VAX-VMS 10-user license PAK they nol/ > longer need, and I would like to add it to mye, > system.  This license came from a VAX 33001 > machine that resided in a cluster.  The licensea1 > shows a Activity Table Code of C, which I founds/ > out means a cluster license restricted to oneu* > node in the cluster.  My VAX-VMS license3 > currently on the system is for a VAX Workstation.  > 2 > I registered this new PAK on my system, and when* > it asked me if I was restricting it to a1 > particular cluster member, I answered NO (sincel2 > mine will automatically default to my standalone1 > 3100), but when I tried loading it, it said VAXt3 > VMS was already loaded.  When I list the licenses:2 > on my system, it lists the old and the new.  Can- > I even use this license on my system?  If In3 > unload the original user license, can I then load  > this one?  Thanks.  G *SIGH* Well, if you want to try this, you must first LICENSE UNLOAD the0D currently loaded VAX-VMS license (shows in the list SHOW LIC/BRIEF).E Then, you must LICENSE LOAD *THE CORRECT* VAX-VMS license (since yourSE LMF database now contains more than one). You may need to specify the G authorization code of the license you wish to load in order to uniquely  identify the correct entry.0  G I usually advise anyone "playing games" with licenses like this to makeIC a "private" license database and manipulate PAKs in that /DATABASE,EG rather than mess up the "working" LMF database. Raeding the appropriateN@ doc.'s and the on-line HELP is, of course, strongly recommended.  D On my hobbyist systems, I even keep the .LDB files separate for each$ iteration of the expire/renew cycle.   David J. DachteraO   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:06:37 -0500 ) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>S+ Subject: Re: Need help on License questionsR/ Message-ID: <sun9cim696vt3d@corp.supernews.com>M   <maxx13@my-deja.com> wrote. in message news:8sfafh$lkp$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  3 > I support a standalone VAXstation 3100 M38 with aY/ > 5-user license.  Someone from my organizationO/ > gave me a VAX-VMS 10-user license PAK they nom/ > longer need, and I would like to add it to my1	 > system.R  " >This license came from a VAX 33001 > machine that resided in a cluster.  The license_1 > shows a Activity Table Code of C, which I found=/ > out means a cluster license restricted to one  > node in the cluster.  9 Use the SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE command for the true meaning.0  J Activity table of C is for a VAX processor that is licensed for concurrent use.  J Now the license is bonded to the specific processor that it was sold with.I The current policies of Compaq indicate that you can transfer the licensemD with that processor to a third party if someone pays a transfer fee.   >  My VAX-VMS licensem3 > currently on the system is for a VAX Workstation.(  J The VAX-VMS licenses are bonded to the specific processor that it was soldH with.  The current policies of Compaq indicate that you can transfer theL license with that processor to a third party if someone pays a transfer fee.  2 > I registered this new PAK on my system, and when* > it asked me if I was restricting it to a1 > particular cluster member, I answered NO (sinceb2 > mine will automatically default to my standalone1 > 3100), but when I tried loading it, it said VAX  > VMS was already loaded.t  1 > When I list the licenses on my system, it listsiA > the old and the new.  Can I even use this license on my system?   D I do not think that the current licensing practices allow you to add multiple licenses.J I do not know if Compaq will allow you to put this license on your system.  8 > If I unload the original user license, can I then load > this one?e  < You did not mention what version of OpenVMS you are running.  I What the keys the licensing software will allow you to use depends on the,E licensing practices in effect at the time that the Version of VMS waso	 released.w  : You should contact Compaq directly about licensing issues.   -John1 wb8tyw@qsl.network: Note: I am not a Compaq or a Digital Employee or a Lawyer.   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:10:20 -0400w+ From: Tim Shoppa <shoppa@trailing-edge.com>i% Subject: Re: Newbie DEBUGger questiono1 Message-ID: <39EB448C.22B149F0@trailing-edge.com>    JF Mezei wrote:- >  > Tim Shoppa wrote:,L > > 1. Do SET SCOPE ANOTHERMODULE.  Then you can do a TYPE nn:mm to find the@ > > line you want to debug, and then a SET BREAK %LINE whatever. > M > According to the manual, SCOPE is used to allow you to walk up the stack togO > your calling routines. I want to walk down to routines that have not yet beentN > caled so I can insert breakpoints before they happen. Debug complains when I; > try to SET SCOPE to a module that hasn't been called yet.   C ?? Which language is your source code in?  SET SCOPE works fine forsF MACRO32 and Fortran sources for setting breakpoints in as-yet uncalled routines...t   Tim.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:45:15 +0200:& From: Bob Marcan <bob.marcan@aster.si>. Subject: Re: no MMOV sound on AlphaStation 500( Message-ID: <39EB930B.4D9A6A56@aster.si>   Christoph Gartmann wrote:S >  > Hello, > J > MMOV programs don't find any sound devices on my AlphaStation 500. It isK > MMOV V2.2 under VMS 7.1-2. I know that this combination worked before but @ > I didn't use it since quite some time and now I am a bit lost. > K > What I noticed so far: the MMOV process wasn't running although it should P > have been started during system startup. The same is true for some other nodesP > in my cluster. The ones that have the process running don't show audio devicesM > either. But starting MMOV manually shows no problems (besides the fact that K > there are no sound devices). If I connect a headphone to the sound card I O > am able to hear the standard "system beep". So the card is electronically ok.  > / > The file SYS$STARTUP:MMOV_ERROR.LOG is empty.rM > I noticed that SYS$SYSTEM:SYS$USER_CONFIG.DAT is located in the common rootfK > and contains several different entries for "Microsoft Sound Card" plus aneK > entry for "Ensoniq AudioPCI". Additionally SYS$SYSTEM:SYSTEM.INI containsv9 > both entries: wave=mmov$ensaudio and wave=mmov$msbaudio  >  > Any ideas? > 
 > Regards, >    Christoph Gartmann  > J > -----------------------------------------------------------------------+J > | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |J > | Immunbiologie                                                        |J > | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |J > | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |J > +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+    5 From >SYS$COMMON:[SYSHLP]>MMOV-V2_2.RELEASE_NOTES;1 :D    < Unofficial Support for the Personal Workstation Audio Device< ------------------------------------------------------------  H o       The file MMOV$ESSDRIVER.EXE has been placed in the Runtime Kit.  ThisB         kernel driver has not been qualified and is not officially	 supportedoF         at this time.  This driver will not be loaded and "enabled" by theaE         operating system unless the following entry is placed in the  4         sys$common:[sysexe]sys$user_config.dat file:  *              device  = "ES1888 Sound Card"              name    = AUa%              driver  = MMOV$ESSDRIVERe              adapter = XBUSm              id      = ES1888d              end_device   H 	The mmov$essdriver provides "msb emulation" mode operation.  This meansF         that Compaq Multimedia Services applications operate as if theC         Personal Workstation built-in device were a Microsoft Sounda Card. F         Note that Compaq Multimedia Services will not work properly if both?         the mmov$msbdriver and the mmov$essdriver are enabled. "     -- p@  Bob Marcan                           mailto:bob.marcan@aster.si?  Aster                                tel:    +386 (1) 5894-329 ?  Nade Ovcakove 1                      fax:    +386 (1) 5894-2015@  1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia                    http://www.aster.si   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:27:53 -0500n) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> ( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products/ Message-ID: <sunl5scnlr6f0c@corp.supernews.com>n  A "Jim Jennis" <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.company> wrote in messagea> news:3.0.5.32.20001016080155.009f1380@discovery.fuentez.com... > Hi VMS Colleagues,  H > AFAIK more recent and ongoing projects (such as SAMBA, Perl, openssl),E > involving VMS have not received the same sorts of negative comments, againsth8 > incorporating VMS code into the open source CVS trees. > J > (John Malmberg, Eckart Meyer, Richard Levitte and Dan Sugalski can speak > for themselves)s  L The trend that I am seeing is that instead of having conditional compilationA based on the operating system in the source code, the conditionalaF compilation is now based on the features present in the host operating system.w  F I am one release behind the current SAMBA for UNIX, and they have justF released an "ALPHA" of the next release.  I have not been assertive atL trying to get VMS specific patches in until I am ready to release something.H I see no reason to get an interim patch in a module that I might totally replace with a VMS version.a  K The bugs that I have found that affect all platforms have been incorporated  into the main source.n  B One request for a minor debug enhancement may not have made it in.  L One change I asked about a potential bug in the locking code got put in as aK VMS specific patch.  It really was not my intention to ask for a patch.  It-H turns out that the locking code I ended up with was so VMS specific thatJ maintaining a portable version is not worth it.  Now that I understand howL that module works, I have a good idea on how to replace it with a SYS$ENQW()) based version that will work even better.o  J I will be submitting in a patch to client.c to allow a different prompt toJ be substituted at compile time for the one that advises to use "Control-D"J where in VMS you would use "Control-Z".  I am coding the patch to be an OSJ independent enhancement, not a VMS specific one.  We will see how that one goes.a  E I do not know about the other open source efforts.  The SAMBA team isA6 relatively well organized and are following a roadmap.  L Recently some of the performance issues that have been seen on VMS have also? shown up on some of the other supported platforms and are beingi
 investigated./  J > In my own case, when I opened discussions with members of the PostgresqlL > development team about a VMS port of that RDBMS, they wrote me back with aH > very cooperative tone saying something like..., "We think it's a nasty portJ > and are not going to take it on ourselves, but if you want to port it toL > VMS and put the code in CVS....have at it and we'll try to help as much as > possible."  J It also seems that for each program, there has to be a maintainer for each( platform to keep neglect from moving in.  L The official SAMBA team has representatives for most of their mainline ports) that do testing with the current release.   K I would expect that a major part of the price of admission to join into the-K core team of a project is to demonstrate that you can keep your platform uptD to date with the test builds with out needing a lot of hand holding.  K For something as complex as SAMBA, that can be hard to do.  I have not beenMI able to try to get the stress test program to run as it depends on fork()i9 heavily.  I may need to get a LINUX box set up to run it.f  L When I started the SAMBA port, I took the attitude that I would not change aL UNIX source module unless I absolutely had no other option.  I would howeverJ replace entire modules with VMS specific ones, or add addtional modules as wrappers to the UNIX modules.S  H I feel that I have been very successful.  I estimate that I have one VMSK specific patch for cosmetic purposes mentioned above, and one for a feature ? of the current program that was considered very bad on OpenVMS.a  K > I sincerely hope this anti-vms (or anti Mac or anti anything) bias is noti auD > trend among open source developers, otherwise, I am going to writeI > Professor Stallman and ask him if he now has an endowed chair from some0& > "proprietary source of funding". :-)  F I notice that most Open Source projects do not follow Stallman's styleA guide.  So I really do not know how much influence he would have.   K It would be nice if they did, as it would make debugging them under OpenVMS- easier.-  E I really did not need many of the GNU utilities until the "configure"a< scripts started appearing that require their exact behavior.  G I do not know of any definite current bias.  I expect that a lot of thefJ issues are that the current official maintainer of some of the more stable7 programs may not have the time to fully supervise them.h   -Johny wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:30:02 GMT.+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)i5 Subject: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations62 Message-ID: <_IPG5.275$qj2.50991@news.goodnet.com>  F I'm at home, and the only OpenVMS SPD I have handy is V7.1-2, and the G extraordinarily efficient in preventing me from locating a current one.g  C A friend just inherited an Alphastation 250 4/266 from his work; itnA was running Digital Unix, and has 256MB of memory.  The drive was-B pulled, and the license traded in/up so all he has is the hardware5 and now wants to put Hobbyist VMS on it (an UPGRADE!)j  A The VMS V7.1-2 SPD shows a memory limit of 192MB for OpenVMS whenr@ used on this particular model; in fact it lists 192MB as the maxB for Alphaserver 400, Alphastation 400, Alphastation 250 and Alpha-; station 200 (but interestingly not the Alphaserver 300...).n  C That is the only SPD I can get to; all but the V6.1 have apparentlymC been removed from teh archive site also (V6.1 is pre-Alphastation). @ Has this restriction been modified in any way in later releases?@ Any comment on why it exists would be appreciated (as a point ofA information; I'm curious!  My home AS200 only has 160MB of RAM soo% I can't check things out).  Thanks...    Rich Jordan  rjordan@mcs.neto   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:25:46 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)" Subject: pipe driver documentation+ Message-ID: <1$sJNiptX8Bv@eisner.decus.org>   E    My latest copy of the I/O User's Guide discusses mailboxes but not 7    pipes.  Is there a plan to document the pipe driver?l  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation.= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil Group.E  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingu   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:16:34 GMT3/ From: atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky):) Subject: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?o& Message-ID: <G2JHnu.IvB@world.std.com>  G I'm looking for recommendations for a source of a power supply suitablebJ for use with the Alpha PC64 Cabriolet motherboard.  Can anyone point me in the right direction?   Thanks   --  C Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.com    ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 18:32:59 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: pthread and 7.36 Message-ID: <8sfhkr$d3p$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  a In article <eHIOM6wNAHA.319@cpmsnbbsa09>, "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com> writes:.; :We'll see how much I get slapped around for this one . . .A :1G :Anyone know if applying (eco) vms721_update-v0100 to OpenVMS 7.3 (well G :actually to E7.3) is a good idea (or at least the pthead patch that it-1 :incorporates, vms721_pthread-v0100 - I believe).5  "   It would not be my first choice.  J :I'm setting up a Alphastation 200 2/233 and put OpenVMS 7.2-1 (DECwindowsK :Motif 1.2-5) on it. BNU gives a traceback anytime Netscape (3.03) tries toXG :look at anything that's HTML. This came up (here) back in July and theu1 :solution (for 7.2-1) is the afore mentioned ECO.  :oL :. . . I wanted to put COM on it but that requires a half dozen other thingsF :and after spending pretty much all weekend on getting this set-up I'mJ :getting tired and a bit sloppy. Anyway (being tired and sloppy) I figuredF :I'll upgrade it to 7.3 (well - E7.3) and maybe I'll get lucky and the. :pthread fix will have been incorporated . . .  >   I've passed the question along to one of the pthreads gurus.  L :While we're on the subject of 7.3 (and not to ask another stupid question);L :however, this is my first exposure to 7.3. Does OpenVMS (starting with 7.3)H :always (or by default) load the mutiprocessing images? I'm getting thisL :impression from the show system and show cpu commands (among other things).  E   The MULTIPROCESSING default is 3, on OpenVMS Alpha, which loads the G   streamlined SMP when booted on an SMP-capable system.  When booted on D   a uniprocessor system, the uniprocessor synchronization is loaded.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:17:44 GMT 7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)a* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node& Message-ID: <G2JHpL.JEF@world.std.com>  , "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> writes:    J >I need to be able to read and set logicals in the system table on anotherJ >node.  Or create a table that can would be used as a single entity acrossB >the cluster.  Is this possible? Am I maybe using the wrong table?  H Good news.  Cluster-wide logical names are available as of V7.2.  DefineG your logical /TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE and it'll show up on all nodesb! in the cluster in the same table.:   -Mikep   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 21:40:43 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node6 Message-ID: <8sfskr$f8q$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  , "Mark-Simon Pope" <mpope@bristol.ca> writes:J :I need to be able to read and set logicals in the system table on anotherJ :node.  Or create a table that can would be used as a single entity acrossB :the cluster.  Is this possible? Am I maybe using the wrong table?  I   In addition to the cluster-wide logical names you've already been told oH   about, you can also use DECnet task-to-task network communications to F   easily create or translate most any logical name on most any node...  <   Some examples of DCL DECnet task-to-task are available at:5     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_159.htmlo      the OpenVMS FAQ section DCL8  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:12:58 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node, Message-ID: <39EB8B78.E79C7A5F@videotron.ca>  , Cluster-wide logicals are absolutely great !  N $DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical  "Please send me Tim Tam cookies"  M The documentation on exactly what table should be used is not very clear. ButoM I know that the above works. (Except I nobody has sent me Tim Tams yet... :-(l  H The really nice thing about this is that if a node boots up after you'veF defined the logicals, the node will get all your existing cluster-wideD logicals. Each node has the ability to change the definition as well  L There are also a few options to force synchronisation (eg: while your updateL of the logical value is being propagated, other nodes will pause requests to5 translate that logical until the update is complete).r  $ Kudos on the VMS engineers for that.  N It allows the node that owns/controls an application to define/update logicalsD everywhere so that simplifies application management on a multi-node application.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 17:00:11 -0500- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu>.@ Subject: Re: single-user license only for educational VMS offer?0 Message-ID: <w537l78a1lg.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  3 nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) writes:-  @ >     I haven't seen anything that says you can't get a VMS baseB > license under the new program and then add that system as one ofE > your CSLG nodes ( to get unlimited use of all the other products ).S? > This seems like a rather silly way to have to do it ( why not > > put the base license in CSLG or give unlimited use under the; > new program ), but it doesn't appear it would be illegal.   B That is my interpratation, and as such the new program looks quiteH welcome. Although, as you say it would make sense also to simply put the base license in CSLG!u   > D >    Of course there may be a cost to doing so if this pushes you to > the next CSLG tier.n  B I thought there was also some suggestion that they were working on$ eliminating the tier system in CSLG.   G. -- mI -------------------------------------------------------------------------i: Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of Minnesota I -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:27:38 +0000i From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>a6 Subject: Re: SUMMARY:  installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?' Message-ID: <39EB489A.5DD14872@fsi.net>a   "richard n. frank" wrote:  >  > Thanks for the help.I > The problem was solved by installing a SCSI CD-ROM. I still find it odd J > that the system recognized the CD-ROM, would start to boot from it,  and$ > then fail after reading some data.  > Oh well, such is the comp biz.  ? In VMS-land, you'll find this fairly common. It even happens on"H "unsupported" (read: non-DEC) SCSI drives - it'll start to boot, but...    <RANT>H Later in the boot process, the "primitive" drivers in the bootstraps getG replaced with the o.s. drivers which promptly look at their boot deviceiG and say, "Oh! This is disk is "commodity" trash! I'm not soiling myselfyC with THIS garbage!" ...where upon it pukes, takes its ball and goesa home.= </RANT>u  < Yes, I realize that's an unfair exaggeration. I just find it  frustrating, as many others do.   G I do appreciate the time and effort that the VMS people take to certifyrF devices and drivers. I just can't help feeling that a less restricting- compromise would be beneficial in many cases.    David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:10:46 GMTe7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)|5 Subject: Re: SUMMARY: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?m& Message-ID: <G2JHDy.FqD@world.std.com>  ! SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:   @ >In VMS-land, you'll find this fairly common. It even happens onI >"unsupported" (read: non-DEC) SCSI drives - it'll start to boot, but... h   ><RANT>$I >Later in the boot process, the "primitive" drivers in the bootstraps getiH >replaced with the o.s. drivers which promptly look at their boot deviceH >and say, "Oh! This is disk is "commodity" trash! I'm not soiling myselfD >with THIS garbage!" ...where upon it pukes, takes its ball and goes >home. ></RANT>  F Wnat version? Recent VMS versions are more accepting of "commody" SCSI drives.    -Mike    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:23:31 +0000U From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>d5 Subject: Re: SUMMARY: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?d' Message-ID: <39EB63C2.10E087BF@fsi.net>m   Michael Moroney wrote: > # > SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:a > B > >In VMS-land, you'll find this fairly common. It even happens onJ > >"unsupported" (read: non-DEC) SCSI drives - it'll start to boot, but... > 	 > ><RANT>hK > >Later in the boot process, the "primitive" drivers in the bootstraps get J > >replaced with the o.s. drivers which promptly look at their boot deviceJ > >and say, "Oh! This is disk is "commodity" trash! I'm not soiling myselfF > >with THIS garbage!" ...where upon it pukes, takes its ball and goes > >home.
 > ></RANT> > H > Wnat version? Recent VMS versions are more accepting of "commody" SCSI	 > drives.0  G *ALL* versions on all architectures, even V7.2-1. This is a known, longa standing "feature".-   See:/ http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html<5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html#cworbe5 http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html#iomzjo7 http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html#scsizipo  H Some third-party disks work with no problems. Others work, but with some, problems. Still others do not work - period.   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:46:28 GMTy7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)m5 Subject: Re: SUMMARY: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ?o& Message-ID: <G2JLtH.BuG@world.std.com>  ! SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:    >Michael Moroney wrote:pI >> Wnat version? Recent VMS versions are more accepting of "commody" SCSIw
 >> drives.  H >*ALL* versions on all architectures, even V7.2-1. This is a known, long >standing "feature".   >See: 0 >http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html6 >http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html#cworb6 >http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html#iomzj8 >http://www.djesys.com/vms/hobbyist/support.html#scsizip  I >Some third-party disks work with no problems. Others work, but with somee- >problems. Still others do not work - period.   H As far as I know VMS has never supported any removable SCSI disk (actualI disk disk - CDROMS and such are a different "device" than disks accordingsI to SCSI specs) so I'm not surprised the ones you point out have problems.   J Also some "commodity" drives implement only enough of the SCSI protocol toC work with Windoze.  VMS will use SCSI commands that are "mandatory"oD according to the SCSI spec but not issued by Windoze, so they may beG unimplemented or not debugged.  The fact that two of the drives pointedlE out can't be set to any valid SCSI address tells me already that theya  don't comply with the SCSI spec.   -Mikey   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:30:18 -0500n7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o5 Subject: Re: SUMMARY: installing VMS 7.2-1 on 433au ? , Message-ID: <39EBABAA.500C175@earthlink.net>   Michael Moroney wrote: > # > SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:o > [snip]K > >Some third-party disks work with no problems. Others work, but with somer/ > >problems. Still others do not work - period.  > J > As far as I know VMS has never supported any removable SCSI disk (actualK > disk disk - CDROMS and such are a different "device" than disks accordingy > to SCSI specs)  F The "removeable" aspect is probably insignificant for purposes of this discussion.o  < > so I'm not surprised the ones you point out have problems. > L > Also some "commodity" drives implement only enough of the SCSI protocol toE > work with Windoze.  VMS will use SCSI commands that are "mandatory"tF > according to the SCSI spec but not issued by Windoze, so they may be! > unimplemented or not debugged. i  B Then Linux, *BSD, etc. SCSI drivers must be equally deficient, no?  D Hoff would probably be quick to point out that "SCSI" and "spec" areD almost an oxymoron. If anything errs, VMS errs on the side of safety (fortunately for us).u  ) > The fact that two of the drives pointed G > out can't be set to any valid SCSI address tells me already that theyb" > don't comply with the SCSI spec.  F Then how do you explain the fact that they work with almost everything EXCEPT VMS?e  H Certainly, the Orb, Zip and Jaz could be more flexible in their SCSI id.A availability. Doubtless this is done to save space and expense as D compared to the expense of installing a device allowing selection of0 SCSI Id. 0-7 or 0-15 for the newer SCSI spec.'s.   -- X David J. Dachteral dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.m   ------------------------------  , Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:53:15 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>" Subject: Re: SYSMAN can use DECnetJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010161937010.17794-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  $ On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, JF Mezei wrote: [...]MF +Considering that the PIPE command doesn't use MB but a new device forN +inter-process communication, (MP devices), can I conclude that MP devices areO +more efficient at transfering output from DCL commands to another process thana
 +MB devices ?r  (  Probably - in some or most examples -:)C  But here was some reports of bug with PIPE usage on some programs:JF can't remember exactly and haven't check for long time, but I rememberD that have seen also a PIPE where some data was "lost" (like terminal input without flow control :]).s  L +I am curious as to what drove those wonderful VMS engineers to create a new +device for the PIPE command ?    Programming interface ??  Over that - mailboxes are with "shareable" characteristic, MPAiC are not: you can really allocate a MPA device (och, further problem6B for interprocess comm. applies... -;)) - the default usage without# SHARE privilege is within job only.   G +                          And if this device is better at passing databI +between two processes, shouldn't SMISERVER also make use of MP devices ?f  C  Hm... Be aware of the fact, that NL and MB drivers are part of thetA "tight VMS kernel" - but MP driver is loaded later in VMS startuptA process ! (och, yes, have fit the point when one my "diagnostic" v5 procedures crashen, when run after /STARTUP=OPA0: !).b    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E =====================================================================aF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEd. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================s   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:19:31 GMT- From: dan <dan@vrx.net>O5 Subject: TCP/IP on a vax (3100m76) questions/problems(' Message-ID: <39EA112B.E2825B77@vrx.net>n  H I just got TCP/IP configured on my vax 3100, and configured the same way my Alpha was setup, D all the same IPs, same subnet, and everything. disconnected my Alpha from the hub, and plugged- the vax in.-  A I put an AUI transceiver on the AUI port of the Vax, and used SE0   interface, since it has both AUI< and BNC connectors on the back, I'm not sure which is which.  D In any case, it's not working, I can ping itself (by IP address) but' when trying to ping the gateway address- it says no route to host.0  H Is there any way to know which interface is the BNC and which the AUI or are they both SE0 ?4B and is there something I might have missed, a way to test the port! itself to see maybe it's blown or  something else?i  D I'd really like to get this system on the net, but am having no luck$ doing it. The Alpha wasn't that bad!   Dan.   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 22:51:28 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)a9 Subject: Re: TCP/IP on a vax (3100m76) questions/problemsn! Message-ID: <JQfL7LBrHtrj@ludens>p  A In article <39EA112B.E2825B77@vrx.net>, dan <dan@vrx.net> writes:> [...]a > C > I put an AUI transceiver on the AUI port of the Vax, and used SE0a" > interface, since it has both AUI> > and BNC connectors on the back, I'm not sure which is which.  E  There is a little "Network Select Button" between BNC and AUI ports.oB  You can select which port is working. Always turn off your systemA  before switching it. There is a LED near the BNC and there is anyH  another  near the AUI port. When you select the AUI port then AUI's LED+  light is green and BNC's LED light is out.g    ( - put a terminator both BNC and AUI port5 - >>> TEST NI (or TEST 50 I did not remember exactly));   and you can see the ethernet interface is working or not.n- - put a terminator only on the AUI connector  0    (if you have not got a 15-pin aui terminator ,     insert a transceiver and terminate that)5 - >>> TEST NI (or TEST 50 I did not remember exactly).1   and you can see the AUI port is working or not.p       >  > Dan. >      Adam Maulis      -- I'm just learning English...w   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:09:03 GMTn From: dan <dan@vrx.net> 9 Subject: Re: TCP/IP on a vax (3100m76) questions/problemsr& Message-ID: <39EA1CC8.40062D2@vrx.net>   Maulis Adam wrote:  G >  There is a little "Network Select Button" between BNC and AUI ports.oD >  You can select which port is working. Always turn off your systemC >  before switching it. There is a LED near the BNC and there is anaJ >  another  near the AUI port. When you select the AUI port then AUI's LED- >  light is green and BNC's LED light is out.   I Ok, problem is the AUI trasnsceiver shows power, and even has a LINK with-) the hub, and the hub link LED is also on.-  ; I'll try this when I get home later tonight though, thanks!n   Dan.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:24:13 +0100o  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profiler+ Message-ID: <VA.00000109.11a3636b@sture.ch>   ; In article <39EACFB5.29391BD4@Compaq.com>, Roy Omond wrote:e( > From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsl- > Subject: Re: This list participants profile ' > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 10:51:50 +0100a >  > Paul Sture wrote:  >  > > [... snip snip ...]l > > I > > I have found it interesting to read in this thread of folks my age oreK > > older who actually studied Computer Science. IIRC there was only one CSiE > > course available in the UK in my time (at Loughborough - this wasp? > > 1973), although computing facilities were available at mostGB > > universities for those studying science / engineering / maths. >  > Not true at all, Paul !  >s) Thankful now that I included the IIRC :-)a  K > I started off in Chemistry (1971) at Newcastle, but quickly got hooked oneK > the CS path, which was certainly offered at quite a few places (Newcastle K > included).  I then transferred to Edinburgh eventually finishing in 1978.iD > CS was available at least at St.Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Leeds,I > Manchester, UMIST, and I'm sure quite a few of the London universities.E > H Then I can only conclude that my perception was something I recall from F schooldays, when only one of my year chose to do CS. The reference to G Loughborough might have been for the specific course _he_ wanted to do.w  E Now you have jogged my memory I do recall Leeds, Manchester & UMIST. -H Bradford too. Still not exactly widespread, although by the mid-to-late L seventies that had changed dramatically. (Neither Bradford nor Leeds were a J viable option for me, as they would have meant living at home; Manchester  was uncomfortably close too).u  G > Now, what *really* was quite rare at that time was a degree course indJ > Artificial Intelligence (as far as I remember, only Edinburgh and Sussex, > did this as far back as the early 1980's). >iB > Scotland was very probably a good bit more advanced than EnglandA > in those days;  I remember doing programming courses in FortranI> > and Algol 60 as part of my Maths course at *school* in 1969.B > I don't think English schools started until some time mid-1970's > IIRC.h > I That concurs with my experience. My school had *no* computing facilities lI when I left in 1973. I suppose it just wasn't seen as necessary in those cH days. Indeed some guff I've just dug out indicates they got their first ' computing labs as late as 1986. Sheesh!    ___n
 Paul Sture Switzerlandt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:21:34 +0100w  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilee+ Message-ID: <VA.0000010b.120ed538@sture.ch>o  > In article <39EB1C6D.14968CD3@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn wrote:/ > From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>l > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsu- > Subject: Re: This list participants profiled' > Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:19:09 +01008 >  >  >  > Roy Omond wrote: >  > > Paul Sture wrote:M > >m > > > [... snip snip ...]  > > >'K > > > I have found it interesting to read in this thread of folks my age orrM > > > older who actually studied Computer Science. IIRC there was only one CSuG > > > course available in the UK in my time (at Loughborough - this was A > > > 1973), although computing facilities were available at mostlD > > > universities for those studying science / engineering / maths. > >l > > Not true at all, Paul !t > >,M > > I started off in Chemistry (1971) at Newcastle, but quickly got hooked ondM > > the CS path, which was certainly offered at quite a few places (NewcastleeM > > included).  I then transferred to Edinburgh eventually finishing in 1978. F > > CS was available at least at St.Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Leeds,K > > Manchester, UMIST, and I'm sure quite a few of the London universities.- > >- > F > I concur, there was a CS dept at Bristol Uni whan I started in 1980,F > admittedly it was tacked on to the matcs dept but they had a Multics > and taught CS degrees. > H 1980 is a different time frame from 1973 :-) The fact that CS was still K "tacked on to the maths dept" 7 years later has me wondering if CS degrees j were available there in 1973.M  N Please note that I'm not trying to be pernickety, rather trying to understand M what the true situation was. I _can_ remember an attitude in various sectors vJ of industry, persisting into the 1980s, that computers (and CS degrees by $ implication) were "a waste of time".   ___t
 Paul Sture Switzerland    ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:08:31 GMTl- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) 7 Subject: Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMSo0 Message-ID: <39eb51a0.16643231@swen.process.com>  B On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:36:58 GMT, richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote:   >i< >If anyone is interested or is in a position to pass this on: >to TCPWARE people then here are three differences between >UCX and TCPWARE.  >w2 >1) TCPWARE requires OPER privilege to io$_setmode >tcp_probe_idle. UCX does not. > 7 Conversely, UCX requires OPER or SYSPRV to set the sendaA and receive socket buffer sizes, but TCPware and MultiNet do not.p   I'll try to look into this one.   9 >2) TCPWARE accepts, but appears to ignore, socket optiono5 >ucx$c_share. You get an error when you try to attach. >another channel.- >- Yes, I believe that's true.   ; >3) io$_acpcontrol inetacp$c_trans is the dog's bollocks ona; >ucx and will gleefully translate a binary internet addressS: >into an ascii nodename! TCPWARE just does what it says in; >the documentation (hard to blame it for that) that is , itf >returns ascii 1.2.3.4.t >eB This was fixed in TCPware V5.4-3.  You're right: TCPware did what 8 the docs described.  Now it works the same way UCX does.     Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/v: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:49:00 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler), Subject: Re: Trouble getting RA82 to work...3 Message-ID: <8sfm3c$sph$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>o  ( In article <39EB4053.AB9073E3@mmaz.com>,. 	"Barry Treahy, Jr." <Treahy@mmaz.com> writes:P > Brian, I received the same 'Spindle Error' last fall and it was a problem withR > belts being shot, they are stretched and cracked.  I replaced them and the drive
 > fired up...A >  > Barryf  L I took it apart and swapped the belt with a known dead drive and it seems to be ok!  Woo hoo!  Thanks!(   Brian-       >  > Brian Wheeler wrote: > Q >> We bought some RA disks from IU surplus to replace some of our ailing disks intL >> our VAX 4000/200.  The RA81 disk works find (yee whoo!) but we are havingN >> trouble with the 2 RA82s.  According to the manual we have, one gives "Idle: >> diagnostics failed" and the other give "Spindle error". >>N >> I've not tried hooking up the serial port yet...will I need a null modem to >> hook it up to a VT220?c >>
 >> Thanks! >> Brian Wheeler >> bdwheele@indiana.eduu >  > -- > A > Barry Treahy, Jr  *  Midwest Microwave  *  Vice President & CIOw > C > E-mail: Treahy@mmaz.com * Phone: 480/314-1320 * FAX: 480/661-7028t >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 16:59:29 -0400w) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.neti, Subject: Re: Trouble getting RA82 to work...9 Message-ID: <39eb6c6a$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   8 In <8sf74r$q19$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, on 10/16/00 :    at 03:33 PM, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) said:  E From what you tell me both drives are dead.  You may wish to purchaseYH drives from a reputable vendor or return those to that vendor.  The last one needs a new HDA.   Roland  F >We bought some RA disks from IU surplus to replace some of our ailingH >disks in our VAX 4000/200.  The RA81 disk works find (yee whoo!) but weG >are having trouble with the 2 RA82s.  According to the manual we have, J >one gives "Idle  diagnostics failed" and the other give "Spindle error".   I >I've not tried hooking up the serial port yet...will I need a null modemu >to hook it up to a VT220?   >Thanks! >Brian Wheeler >bdwheele@indiana.eduS   -- r; -----------------------------------------------------------mD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 21:55:25 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler), Subject: Re: Trouble getting RA82 to work...3 Message-ID: <8sftgd$u28$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>t  9 In article <39eb6c6a$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>,d, 	yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net writes:: > In <8sf74r$q19$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>, on 10/16/00 < >    at 03:33 PM, bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler) said: > G > From what you tell me both drives are dead.  You may wish to purchaserJ > drives from a reputable vendor or return those to that vendor.  The last > one needs a new HDA.  N Well, after playing with belts, motors, and (egads) the Hybrid board, I've gotL one to come up and talk to a terminal.  It spins and runs the heads like it F should, so this weekend we'll probably install it and see if it works.M We bought them AS-IS for $25 each, so its no big deal.  The machine is going aK to be retired in a couple of months and its hard to justify the big $$$ to  & have a spare disk in case of disaster.   Brian    >  > Roland > G >>We bought some RA disks from IU surplus to replace some of our ailingoI >>disks in our VAX 4000/200.  The RA81 disk works find (yee whoo!) but wecH >>are having trouble with the 2 RA82s.  According to the manual we have,K >>one gives "Idle  diagnostics failed" and the other give "Spindle error". t > J >>I've not tried hooking up the serial port yet...will I need a null modem >>to hook it up to a VT220?D > 	 >>Thanks!v >>Brian Wheelerl >>bdwheele@indiana.edu >    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:08:05 +0200m? From: "DECHAIZE Thierry (Dir INFRA)" <thierry.dechaize@sncf.fr>e Subject: unsubsribe @ Message-ID: <21EC2A9D83EED311A3EB0008C733892B1CEB57@S70ERTBIA11>   unsubscribes   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:20:42 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)* Subject: Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR+ Message-ID: <ru4KBJw4H$A+@eisner.decus.org>x  c In article <39EB0856.1BFEBBDC@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>, Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes:  > Hi > B > Trying to unpack the tar-ball of StarOffice, I got an error from > VMSTAR-3.3-9:S > tar: error creatingi> > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS2 > ]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL > tar: error writing filem: > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADD6 > RESS]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL > $ > Probably the filename is too long. > Is there a way around??? >   H Looks like ODS-5 can handle them.  You may need to modify your VMSTAR to% not hack names ODS-2 couldn't handle.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= Hubble Space Telescope Payload  | Federal Sector, Civil GroupaE  Flight Software Team           | please remove ".aspm" when replyingi   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:14:29 +0200s- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>a* Subject: Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR3 Message-ID: <39EB0D45.30DB34E5@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>a   Oswald Knoppers wrote: >  > Jouk Jansen wrote: > >- > > Hi > > D > > Trying to unpack the tar-ball of StarOffice, I got an error from > > VMSTAR-3.3-9:v > > tar: error creating @ > > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS4 > > ]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL > > tar: error writing fileo< > > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADD8 > > RESS]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL > . > I think you are one directory level to deep. >  > Oswald1 Tried it 2 levels higher but I'm getting the samer tar: error creatinge< [JOUKJ.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCE SIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL tar: error writing file 8 [JOUKJ.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS]ADDRESSBOOKSO" URCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL  E This is what I expected since the depth of directories should be muchM more on VMS7.2-1.o                    Jouk" -- t  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esse   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansenr 		     joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl=  E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  dddddddEF   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd=G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd-F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   dddddddE  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:48:40 GMTd) From: rob.buxton@wcc.govt.nz (Rob Buxton)e( Subject: Re: VMS databases for hobbyist?0 Message-ID: <39eb9372.16855036@news.wcc.govt.nz>  A On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 11:26:40 +0200, "Michel Herrscher Consultant"h <michel@herrscher.fr> wrote:  E >It seems to me that there is an hobbyist licence for Oracle Rdb  for) >OpenVms /Alpha or VAX.  > ' >Without any warrty, ask Oracle people.t >   B Oracle do seem pretty happy about Hobbyist licenses, they do allow0 Linux users to download a copy of their product.   Just ask them I guessa   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 15:43:13 -0500- From: Graham Allan <allan@mnhep1.hep.umn.edu> ! Subject: Re: VMS in Network Worldt0 Message-ID: <w53g0lwa55q.fsf@lanark.spa.umn.edu>  6 "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes:   > N > Nice of IDG to recycle Jaikumar's article into another one of their pubs. MyN > quote coulda been more accurate; I said that OpenVMS will be around for manyJ > years to come, not "several" years to come. Of course, if one interprets: > "several" as "more than 20," then the quote is accurate. > L > Whatever, Jaikumar did a good job. He is one of the few folks in the trade@ > press who has given reasonably consistent coverage to OpenVMS.  E Contrast with the article on clustering in "Network Computing" Oct 2,uG which does start out saying that Digital was an early pioneeer with VMSaD clusters, but later: "... the propreatary nature of VMS - even afterJ Digital pasted 'Open' in front of the operating system's name - along withC the evolution of super-cheap hardware eventually made it obsolete".e  + Seems like there's still some work to do...a   G. -- nI ------------------------------------------------------------------------- : Graham Allan - I.T. Manager - gta@umn.edu - (612) 624-50409 School of Physics and Astronomy - University of MinnesotaeI -------------------------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:53:10 +0000- From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>e! Subject: Re: VMS in Network Worldr' Message-ID: <39EB6AB6.7498E15A@fsi.net>I   Graham Allan wrote:e > 8 > "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net> writes: >  > > P > > Nice of IDG to recycle Jaikumar's article into another one of their pubs. MyP > > quote coulda been more accurate; I said that OpenVMS will be around for manyL > > years to come, not "several" years to come. Of course, if one interprets< > > "several" as "more than 20," then the quote is accurate. > >iN > > Whatever, Jaikumar did a good job. He is one of the few folks in the tradeB > > press who has given reasonably consistent coverage to OpenVMS. > G > Contrast with the article on clustering in "Network Computing" Oct 2, I > which does start out saying that Digital was an early pioneeer with VMS0F > clusters, but later: "... the propreatary nature of VMS - even afterL > Digital pasted 'Open' in front of the operating system's name - along withE > the evolution of super-cheap hardware eventually made it obsolete".o > - > Seems like there's still some work to do...c  2 See "The Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page": http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:27:22 -0400n" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>> Subject: Re: VMS Perl v5.6.0 problem with non-StreamLF files??; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001016133949.01c13c80@24.8.96.48>g  6 At 11:21 AM 10/16/00 +0200, pkassapi@panafon.gr wrote:     >Hello all,l >tN >I came across a problem(?) while using VMS Perl v5.6.0 for the Alpha platformE >when handling non-StreamLF files. Trying to open the following file:- > ; >INPUTFILE.DAT;1                     File ID:  (19764,13,0)l >File organization:  SequentialwH >Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 101 bytes5 >Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage controli >9$ >with the this perl script (excerpt) >n >#! perl ># >     $bufsize = 138;a  >     $filename="INPUTFILE.DAT"; >     open (INPF, $filename) ;D >     seek (INPF, -$bufsize, 2) || die "Input file $filename may be  > corrupted\n";o  E Print $! and $^E here too. They give you info on exactly what failed.b  ' >the following error message is issued:r >_ >  >$ perl test.pl * >Input file INPUTFILE.DAT may be corrupted* >%SYSTEM-F-NOLOGNAM, no logical name match >$ > N >With the file converted to StreamLF format, however, no problem is enounteredI >and the expected piece of information is printed to SYS$OUTPUT. As I am eC >new to the OpenVMS Perl, I would like to ask if this behaviour is sH >considered normal. Can I, generally, handle non-StreamLF OpenVMS files B >with Perl??  Any information on this issue will be of great help.  I This is unfortunately reasonably normal, though you can use non-StreamLF a! files just fine with perl on VMS.e  L The problem you're running into is the seek. We layer on top of the C RTL's L seek functions, and they don't guarantee that seeking will work properly in < all cases on non-stream files. The general rule of thumb is:  +          *) You can seek to the end of filec3          *) You can seek to the beginning of a filel:          *) You can seek to spots that tell() has returned  K Anything else and you may not work. (Seek basically can't seek to inside a  ' record, which is probably what bit you)    					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even.;                                       teddy bears get drunk@   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:41:27 -0400c- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>R Subject: Re: VMS V7.2-1 / Message-ID: <summf4f0cn45bd@corp.supernews.com>8  2 "anpa2000" <anpa2000@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8sf7s5$j34$1@nnrp1.deja.com....B > Im having problems making a fibre connected disk visible to VMS. > 7 > Have setup a device on an HSG80 with a device id of 1e >c< > Have setup the wwidmgr stuff at the chevron prompt and can! > see the device with a show dev.- >i= > When I boot the VMS installtion CDROM, VMS is unable to seel? > my disk on the HSG80. Does anyone else out there have a Fibree< > Channel VMS cluster up and runing with the boot disk on an% > HSG80 ?, if so, what have I missed.w >...  1 Yes, we have a Fibre Channel VMS cluster running.w   What alpha do you have?t  # What is the firmware on that alpha?d  F Can you post the output of "wwidmgr -quickset -udid 1"? (BTW, you onlyD have to do this for the boot unit, you do not need to see every disk from the console.a  C After issuing this command try "show device" at the >>> prompt. Youc should see the disk.  < On the HSG80 can you do a "SHOW unitnumber" (right above theD "Switches" line there should be an "IDENTIFIER = 1") and include theE "Access:" section? (BTW, every disk that VMS needs to see has to have  an identifier).e   ------------------------------   Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:00:23 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)1 Subject: Re: Vmsinstal failure applying UCX patcho6 Message-ID: <8sfj87$dkc$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I In article <8ses28$8ov$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, trevor_deja@my-deja.com writes:  :Hi Hoff :s7 :In article <8s7u51$4p9$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,.' :  hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote:- :-D :> TCP/IP Services V4.2 is NOT supported on OpenVMS V7.2 and later, & :> on OpenVMS VAX or on OpenVMS Alpha. :>B :> TCP/IP Services V5.0 and later (V5.0A with ECO1 is current) areF :> recommended on OpenVMS V7.1 and later, and are required on OpenVMS 7 :> V7.2 and later, on OpenVMS VAX and on OpenVMS Alpha.n  F   Update: V4.2 is available and supported under Prior Version Support E   (PVS) only on OpenVMS V6.2.  On V7.1 and later, use V5.0A or later.u  F :The base VAX UCX 4.2 appears to install ok and work ok on VMS 7.2 (as :far as I've tried it).E  C   Given the general lack of incompatible user-mode and kernel-mode aE   changes on OpenVMS VAX, I'd initially tend to assume it would work.W  E :I found the UCXVAX_E02042 patch kit in the VMS 7.2 directory path on F :the Compaq patch site.  Under the circumstances I would suggest it be :removed from the VMS 7.2 path.r  B   From what I have been provided via email today and over the pastF   week or so since this came up, updates that clarify this status are    presently underway.n  B :It would be helpful if the term 'NOT SUPPORTED' could be enhancedF :(e.g. 'known incompatible with VMS 7.2 on') or an additional catagoryF :created to clarify those things that just won't work, and those which/ :can continue to be used but at the users risk.   F   That's been a common discussion over the years -- there's not reallyH   a good way to differentiate the middle gradations of "not supported": G   "mostly works" means different things to different folks.  There are TE   cases where a statement of "not supported" is simply a result of a iE   lack of testing, or of known (minor or major) incompatibilities or yB   known problems, or of a desire to reduce the number(s) of older G   version(s) in favor of using code that is already fixed, or of using aE   available engineering staff on new releases and new features.  (AndAD   there are cases where we simply don't know that something doesn't F   work.  This ECO would clearly be one were I didn't know, obviously.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:52:23 -0400t, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>. Subject: Re: VT100 history, manuals etc online> Message-ID: <hshubs-665566.19522316102000@news.mindspring.com>  H In article <X%GG5.54576$bI6.1906345@news1.giganews.com>, Steven Whatley  <swhatley@blkbox.com> wrote:  " >Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> wrote:J >> Here's a goody folks. Not only is there a history of VT terminals, but ) >> the VT220 Programmer Reference Manual.t > K >I still have a small collection of ASCII animation files.  VT100 emulators K >aren't quite the same since most don't support the double high/double wideiG >characters.  And most won't fake a 9600 buad or less connection.  Withc2 >those ASCII text files, timing is very important.  M I wonder if this would help:  I have manuals for LA120, VT100, VT101, VT102, wN VT220, VT3n0, and VT420.  As well as an actual VT420.  I don't get to do much B with these anymore. <sigh>  My exposure to the VT5n0 is miniscule. -- e Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:04:18 GMTu$ From: Ian Stirling <Inquisitor@I.am>B Subject: Re: WAY OT: Ballistic (was Re: Halon dump - a data point)@ Message-ID: <SiIG5.22945$Kx.1603858@e420r-sjo1.usenetserver.com>  % Caveman <plugh@no.spam.please> wrote: 4 >In article <39d110ed.6066996@news.cableinet.co.uk>,' > <greenaum@BOLLOCKSyahoo.co.uk> wrote:d >>F >>Ballistic missiles are ballistic. They use rockets to launch them upH >>through the against-gravity part of the parabola, then point downwards <snip>G >So, you're essentially saying that DoD doesn't have access to anything > >which has more accelerative power than the earth's gravity?!?  E >You might like to discuss that with John Force, the NHRA drag racer.2  @ >Some hunting rifles fire a projectile faster than the free-fall! >velocity of a ballistic missile..  A Ok, can you point me to a URL describing this hunting rifle that e shoots at mach 20? Exactly what's it for hunting?   -- iP http://inquisitor.i.am/    |  mailto:inquisitor@i.am |             Ian Stirling.P ---------------------------+-------------------------+--------------------------G The fight between good and evil, an epic battle. Darth vader and Luke,  J suddenly in the middle of the fight, Darth pulls Luke to him, and whispersG "I know what you'r getting for christmas!" Luke exclaims "But how ??!?"sN "It's true Luke, I know what you'r getting for christmas" Luke tries to ignoreE this, but wrenches himself free, yelling "How could you know this?", aN Vader replies "I felt your presents"  -- The Chris Evans breakfast show ca. 94   ------------------------------    Date: 16 Oct 2000 19:57:30 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)( Subject: Re: WebLogic application server+ Message-ID: <qb7ptsd0vcbd@eisner.decus.org>   m In article <8sf3nt$alb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "John L Ferguson" <John.L.Ferguson@compaq.com> writes:)" > Marty Kuhrt wrote in message ...? >>When at CETS I picked up one of the Compaq OpenVMS e-Business E >>Infrastructure CDs.  Someone at one of the many sessions I attendednB >>for Java, Apache, COM, etc, stated that the WebLogic applicationG >>server was on this CD.  They made some mention that they'd put in theeH >>necessary bits to make it happy in VMSland, so make sure to install it >>from the CD. >>( >>Problem is, I can't find it on the CD. >>@ >>Did I hear incorrecty, get the wrong CD, or am I just bonkers? >> >   > BEA WebLogic in not on the CD. > L > The OpenVMS e-Business CD contains Internet or e-Business related software' > for OpenVMS Alpha supplied by Compaq:o > ! >      - Compaq COM Version 1.1-BsA >      - Compaq Secure Web Server V1.0 (based upon Apache 1.3.12)c" >      - Compaq Java 2 SDK v 1.2.2M >      - Attunity Connect 3.0 On Platform Package (includes native JDBC, XML, / > ODBC APIs and XML, ODBC, and Oracle8 drivers)  > N > This software is also available for download from the OpenVMS web site.  The7 > CD is an alternative method of distributing the bits.A > ( > Additional information can be found at5 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness/index.html.T >  > John FergusonS > OpenVMS eBusinessA  D Thanks, but I already know what is on the CD.  What I wanted to know@ is where does one get the WebLogic app server with the "special" VMS bits?  f   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 18:32:46 +0000- From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>-- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ?? ' Message-ID: <39EB49CE.3AC0ABB3@fsi.net>u   Tim Llewellyn wrote: >  > Paul Sture wrote:i >  > >aT > > Coincidentally, I was just scanning though the V6.2 Release Notes the other day,V > > and there was the announcement that of that release, DECnet was no longer required > > for a cluster. > N >  Yup, that was when LANCP was introduced and MOP was no longer necessary for > booting satellites.a   O.k., now I'm confustulated(?).e  G If satellite nodes don't boot by MOP downline-load, how *DO* they boot?c   David J. Dachteram   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:40:08 +0100E+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>D- Subject: Re: Why has Compaq retired DECnet ?? ' Message-ID: <39EB5998.D648EDA5@iee.org>B   SysAdmin wrote:0 >  > Tim Llewellyn wrote:P > >  Yup, that was when LANCP was introduced and MOP was no longer necessary for > > booting satellites.. > ! > O.k., now I'm confustulated(?).r > I > If satellite nodes don't boot by MOP downline-load, how *DO* they boot?.  D That's exactly how they boot - it still uses the MOP protocol on the> wire. It's just that the host software side is now provided by; an OpenVMS component (LANCP) rather than a DECnet componentt, (NET$MOP on Phase V, I forget on Phase IV).   F MOP, just like LAT and SCS and LLC2 and other stuff you'll find living on. your ethernet, is not part of DECnet as such.    Antoniot   -- s   ----------------- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org-   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.580 ************************