1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 17 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 581       Contents: 3W3 pin-out and video cards  Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards  Re: 500au's and onboard cache  ALPHA vs. VAX: system disk size B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? Re: best way of deleting files?  Re: Cleaning up disk space?  Re: Cleaning up disk space?  Re: Compaq information Re: Compaq information Re: Compaq information) Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0 
 Re: DCPS v1.8 
 Re: DCPS v1.8 
 Re: DCPS v1.8  Re: DSN 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... & Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line4 Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL? Re: Halon dump - a data point 4 Re: How to determine the best cluster/partition size Re: How to read "SHOW MEM" Re: How to read "SHOW MEM" Re: HSC 50 Question  Re: html on vms 2 Re: Ingres SQL via BASIC? (was: Re: VMS Tutorials) Re: Java on Openvms = Re: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web = RE: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web = Re: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web ' LEGATO and TCPWARE combination problem? , Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11, Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11, Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11 Re: Mail forwarding $ Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure Re: Memory allocation problem  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes - Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done " Re: Need help on License questions Re: Newbie DEBUGger question Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products 0 Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations0 Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations0 Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations0 Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations0 Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations PBXGB-AA Information Re: pipe driver documentation $ Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?$ Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?% Problems with shared file access in C ) Re: Problems with shared file access in C ) Re: Problems with shared file access in C ) Re: Problems with shared file access in C  Re: pthread and 7.3 ! Re: read logicals on another node  remote print over tcp/ip Re: remote print over tcp/ip Re: remote print over tcp/ip shadowing problems Re: shadowing problems Re: shadowing problemsH Re: SOCKETSHR stuff - was Re: Announcement: TCGMSG for OpenVMS/ALPHA; 64H Re: SOCKETSHR stuff - was Re: Announcement: TCGMSG for OpenVMS/ALPHA; 64! SUMMARY: graphics device on 433au 0 Re: TCP/IP on a vax (3100m76) questions/problems" Re: This list participants profile" Re: This list participants profile This list participants profile. Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMS Re: VMS and UNIX Re: VMS in Network World Re: VMS ISP? VMS Software Mirroring?  VMS to VMS X-session
 VMS Tutorials  Re: VMS Tutorials  Re: VMS Tutorials  Re: VMS V7.2-1P VMS712_IPC V1.0 has problems (Was: Anybody else on V7.1-2 havingproblems after i  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:53:08 GMT6 From: DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis)$ Subject: 3W3 pin-out and video cards: Message-ID: <8shlk4$fkc$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>  F 	A short while ago, I asked about third-party monitor support with theL 3W3 video port on a DEC 3000 Model 300.  (Thanks to those who responded.)  I$ now have a couple related questions.  E 	Does anyone know the pin-outs of the 3W3 connector?  I would like to I take a spare 3W3-to-3BNC cable, cut the BNC connectors off, and "graft" a E HDB15 connector to it.  I would like to know how to wire up the HDB15 
 connector.  D 	Are there TurboChannel video cards available that would provide forO anything better than 256 colors at 1280x1024?  In particular, I'd be interested 1 in 24-bit or 32-bit color at the same resolution.    Thanks,   Mike  --K              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSE N   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingJ            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityJ http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:42:41 -0400 ' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu> ( Subject: Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards' Message-ID: <39EC8181.61032C43@rpi.edu>    Mike, Q     If by "3W3" you mean something like a 13W3 without any small pins (just three P larger things in the connector), then I think I know what you have.  IBM RS/6000P machines tend to have that same connector.  Basically, it's just red, green, andN blue.  With the IBM stuff, we have cables that have the funky connector on oneO end, and three BNC plugs on the other.  As far as using a PC monitor, you could N probably do it with any monitor that properly supports sync-on-green, and justC connect the R G B lines to their equivalents on the HD15 connector.  -Derek   "Michael T. Davis" wrote:   O >         A short while ago, I asked about third-party monitor support with the N > 3W3 video port on a DEC 3000 Model 300.  (Thanks to those who responded.)  I& > now have a couple related questions. > N >         Does anyone know the pin-outs of the 3W3 connector?  I would like toK > take a spare 3W3-to-3BNC cable, cut the BNC connectors off, and "graft" a G > HDB15 connector to it.  I would like to know how to wire up the HDB15  > connector. > M >         Are there TurboChannel video cards available that would provide for Q > anything better than 256 colors at 1280x1024?  In particular, I'd be interested 3 > in 24-bit or 32-bit color at the same resolution.  > 	 > Thanks,  >  Mike  > --M >              Michael T. Davis              |    Systems Specialist: ChE,MSE P >   E-mail: davism@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu    | Departmental Networking/ComputingL >            -or- DAVISM+@osu.edu            |     The Ohio State UniversityL > http://www.er6.eng.ohio-state.edu/~davism/ |     197 Watts, (614) 292-6928   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:59:25 -0400 % From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> & Subject: Re: 500au's and onboard cache/ Message-ID: <suoltfi2lg6788@corp.supernews.com>   1 Moi is me is obviously no t a valid email address   ! SO I am posting it - sorry people      Pierre  & Nous avons les modules caches en stock  
 Prix suivants   ' SN-MSC01-AB 2mb Cache pour PWS500  $199 ' SN-MSC01-AC 4mb Cache pour PWS500  $475    Livraison - 2 jours a la France  Prix de livraison: $35  1 Virement par cheque Banquaire out Transfert Telex    Salutations    David Turner   -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended 
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this  message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.    2 moi_is_me <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8sa7rj$ufd$1@nnrp1.deja.com... : > so anyone know where my friend could purchase 2mb/4mb of( > b-cache - and how much it would cost ? >  > as usual ... tia >  > Pierre > ? > =============================================================  > In articleC > <rdeininger-1410000133000001@user-2ive6gf.dialup.mindspring.com>, 7 >   rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote: 7 > > In article <8s8eoa$n8j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, moi_is_me   > <moi_is_me@my-deja.com> wrote: > >  > > > Greetings, > > > C > > >    Do all 500au's come with onboard cache (i dont think so) ?  > > I > > I'm pretty sure they were available with or without.  The small cache  > was - > > 2 MB, and I think the large one was 4 MB.  > > B > > >    My friends 500au has 128mb, and SETI took 14.5 hrs, which7 > > >    is slower than my 450 PII at work ... 11.5 hrs  > > > ; > > >    He dual boots, and TRU64 says no B-cache detected.  > > > 5 > > >    Q1) If B-cache is optional, can he add any ?  > > I > > Yes.  There's a socket for a cache module.  I don't know if Compaq is  > still ; > > selling the module.  There are probably 3rd party ones.  > >  > > > = > > >    Q2) What price difference might I expect between two > > > >        500 au's on eBay, one with B-Cache, one without ? > > 
 > > Dunno. > >  > > -- > > Robert Deininger > > rdeininger@mindspring.com  > >  >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:11:37 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)( Subject: ALPHA vs. VAX: system disk size. Message-ID: <8shtnp$7g7$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H I have about 120 MB free on my 1 GB (RZ26F) ALPHA system disk.  This is H a "standard" 7.2-1 installation (upgraded from 7.1, which was installed I from scratch), i.e. full VMS plus DECwindows, TCPIP services etc.  There  5 are a few layered products, mostly about 4 compilers.    Three questions.  A First, what would be the minimum size system disk for a VAX, with F (roughly) the same amount of stuff?  (The VAX system disks I have are  not fully loaded.)  I Second, will the minimum size for VAX or ALPHA (1 GB now, I guess) for a  9 standard installation increase in the foreseeable future?   C Third, what is the optimum ratio of free to used space on a disk?   , Assume that it is defragmented often enough.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:27:33 -0400 - From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? / Message-ID: <suooem1d907cfa@corp.supernews.com>   % This is what we received from Compaq;    [...F This newer version introduced a problem with OPCOM where it would hangC and remain in LEF state.  An attempt to delete the process with the E STOP/ID command puts OPCOM in a delete-pending state. The only way to $ clear this problem is with a reboot.  D We are recommending that customers roll the kit back.  The down sideD to the remove of this kit is that it addressed an ACCVIO bugcheck; a= crash is unscheduled whereas with a hang you can schedule the C shutdown.  Please note that the remove of VMS721_SYS-V0600 does not , imply that you will see the ACCVIO bugcheck. ...]  E I am confused since they are saying that the problems caused by SYS 5 E is worst than the problems caused by SYS 6, but they recommend a roll E back. Based on Terry's comments I'm happy we rolled back our systems.   E Does anyone know how to use the PRODUCT command to add a comment that ! we manually rolled back this kit?    ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:37:47 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>( Subject: Re: best way of deleting files?J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010170924500.21101-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  $ On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, JF Mezei wrote:  L +Since the "delete files" topic does come up now and then, I am wondering if +this would be possible: +  +Get a list of FILE IDs     BACKUP/FAST  ' +                        to be deleted.   "                            /DELETE  * + Then delete the directory file, and then% +delete individual files by file_id ?     Probably in reverse order -:)  * + That would remove the need to update the$ +directory file with every deletion. +  +Is this possible ?   ;  You know, that BACKUP/DELETE/NOCRC is one of the "fast and 9 already included in VMS" ways (for small files - with the < overhead of copy data; for middle file the SET FILE/NOBACKUP7 can be marked before). For "zilions of files" the /FAST 6 (where works roughly as you describe) must make sense.3  Probably BACKUP/FAST/DELETE/NODATA is expected -:) 4  The unexistent HELP for unexistent qualifier /DATA: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ BACKUP     /DATA (default)    /NODATA[=ALLOCATE[=USED]]         Command Qualifier  B      Specifies that a BACKUP save or copy operation is to copy theA      file header and data, regardless of the NOBACKUP flag set by 9      the /NOBACKUP qualifier of the DCL command SET FILE. E       If you specify /NODATA BACKUP saves only the file header record A      for non-directory files and allocates (or not) the space for ?      data (option /NODATA=ALLOCATED) and marked the proper part =      as used (option /NODATA=ALLOCATED=USED). The last option <      in conjuction with /TRUNCATE qualifier allows selection      of proper allocation.F       The qualifier takes precedense over the /IGNORE=NOBACKUP option.@       You can use this qualifier with /DELETE and without output@      specification, then the input parameter specifies file list      to delete.  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++    -:)8 Claimer -:) : the look and feel of this HELP part is not)  by accident like rest of HELP BACKUP -:)     + Is this how DFU does its job ?    Don't know, but probably.    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:12:34 +0200 9 From: "Michel Herrscher Consultant" <michel@herrscher.fr> $ Subject: Re: Cleaning up disk space?% Message-ID: <8sgqsb$hg8$1@wanadoo.fr>   9 From my experience when you need more system disk space :  logged in your Ovms as system    1) reply/log   2) set account/new  # 3)  purge sys$sysdevice:[000000...]   ( 4) backup/image on a tape ,  and restoreB 4bis ) transfer the system to a bigger disk using the same command  K 5) tranfer the majority of the pagefile to a secondary one on another disk, P keeping the minimum you need (not always 2000, depends on the tasks you start at boottime ) on the system disk   I 6) but my be complicated reinstal Ovms from scratch a a new system disk , % reinstall the products you still need    HTH    Michel HERRSCHER Consultant  mhc@herrscher.fr Tl : +33 (0)450 870 912 Fax : +33 (0)450 871 741 Gsm : +33 (0)609 044 711       2)H dan <dan@vrx.net> a crit dans le message : 39EA117E.FCFBF2EF@vrx.net...J > Can anyone post some general guidelines on what is safe to delete from a	 > system? F > For example, on my vax, I'll never use LAT or DEC Windows, and don't+ > think I'll use TNT (not sure what it is). F > Anyhow, maybe I got a bit overzealous, and wiped out all that stuff. >  > Any suggestions? >  > Dan. >    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 15:50:12 GMT8 From: hammond@not@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net (Charlie Hammond)$ Subject: Re: Cleaning up disk space?6 Message-ID: <8shsfk$sjh$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  A In article <39EA117E.FCFBF2EF@vrx.net>, dan <dan@vrx.net> writes: I >Can anyone post some general guidelines on what is safe to delete from a  >system?E >For example, on my vax, I'll never use LAT or DEC Windows, and don't * >think I'll use TNT (not sure what it is).E >Anyhow, maybe I got a bit overzealous, and wiped out all that stuff.   J Well, the {ahem} "general guidline" I'll give you is this:  Always installG ALL of the OpenVMS options and leave them in place.  This ensures that TJ things will work "as documented" all -- er, ah, make that _almost_ all of  the time.  e  F There are a lot of complex inter-relationships among the components ofH OpenVMS.  Not all of them are at all obivous, or documented.  From time F to time, they can surprise even the most experineced OpenVMS engineer.  D I believe that in most cases you will be far better off to invest inG a larger system disk, or to add a data disk, rather than to try to trims
 system files.C  D If you feel that you need to trim system files, please do it in the F documented way:  On OpenVMS VAX that means either using the VMSTAILOR I utlity.  On OpenvMS Alpha, that means booting the operating system CD-ROMnF and re-installing OpenVMS with the changed options, or (on more recent( OpenVMS version) re-configuring OpenVMS.   --  K     Charlie Hammond -- Compaq Computer Corporation -- Pompano Beach  FL USALF          (hammond@peek.ppb.cpqcorp.net -- remove "@not" when replying)J       All opinions expressed are my own and not necessarily my employer's.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 02:19:21 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Compaq informationHL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1710000219210001@user-2iveagr.dialup.mindspring.com>  [ In article <39EB9107.B09CD798@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:e   > Sue, the way I read it:  > K > If you are a  partner/reseller, then use CPN instead of the businesslink. P > If yoU're a customer, you can use business link for a while longer, and Compaq) > isn't sure what will happen after that.  > W > A clear statement on the provision of pricing services to customers would be welcome.   J The page DOES have a feedback button.  There's a chance that comments sentY via that mechanism might do some good.  Let's NOT beat up the messenger in the newsgroup.    -- p Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comp   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 06:57:31 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)1 Subject: Re: Compaq informationo0 Message-ID: <8sgt8r$3ta$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  n In article <8sfn0f$e9j$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:K >Can you tell me if you can access this, I am interested in the alternativen >access jump sites.e >p6 >http://www.businesslink.compaq.com/retire/index1.html  ! I am able to view the above link. J But if I go to "Europe", then "Germany" and finally to the place where the information should be stored:n  D You cannot view this web site with browsers versions less than 4.00   H Current Browser Details:Mozilla/3.03Gold (X11; I; OpenVMS V7.1-2 Digital Personal
 WorkStation )r     Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 08:45:25 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)s Subject: Re: Compaq informationi+ Message-ID: <8+gtzrhTNI49@eisner.decus.org>l   In article <kdxp3SHe5PlD@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:  J >         Just two things.  Yes, I can get  to  that URL, and I can get toJ >     the  United States link under it.  Now what?  I need to sign up as aJ >     CPN (Compaq Partner Network)?  Why?  We don't _produce_  a  product,J >     we  don't  want  to  _partner_,  we're  _customers_  trying  to  get >     information. > J >         Furthermore, at the Compaq Listens Panel at CETS 2000 in L.A.  aJ >     bit over a week ago, there was  so much negative reaction to turningJ >     off  DBL  that they (Compaq) backed down from that stance, at  leastJ >     until it's  proven  that  a  fully  functional  replacement  up  andJ >     running.   Yet  the URL above says the drop-dead date is "the end ofJ >     December 2000".  I'd like to see  that statement removed _until_ theI >     alternative is operational and all current users of DBL have moved.1  ( And how does one measure "operational" ?  K I would suggest it is "working" when Compaq can bring their vice presidents1M to "Compaq Listens" and _not_ get complains that BusinessLink is still vital.s  F Others have mentioned "information".  I use BusinessLink to buy stuff.? What dealer wants to handle orders for VAX parts or $4 cables ?6   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:32:06 +0000 (UTC)M' From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@tukki.jyu.fi> 2 Subject: Re: Compaq Insight Manager XE Version 2.0, Message-ID: <8shgs6$oq4$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>  3 David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote:4p > In article <8s4d75$dms$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:M >>http://www5.compaq.com/products/servers/management/cim-xe2-description.htmlw  3 > That URL is toxic to the VMS version of netscape.e  G Very toxic indeed. Not only my netscape crashed when I tried that link, ' but it wouldn't start again after that:i  
 $ netscape; %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtualv: address=000000002E723365, PC=FFFFFFFF8045704C, PS=0000001B ...e  G I had to do some magig tricks (deleting netscape files, changing priv'soH etc.) before it would start again. I even had my CDE environment defunctI some days (worked for other usernames). So it seems that some of my filesw were poisoned too...  J IMHO pages which have something for OpenVMS users should be tested to workH with current OpenVMS browsers. Is this too much to ask for, Compaq??????  H I will not risk my environment trying to find right feedback address forC that page so if someone knows right address feel free to forward myB message.   regards          Osmo Kujalag   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:32:53 +1000 / From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>b Subject: Re: DCPS v1.82 Message-ID: <BmSG5.40404$O7.514993@ozemail.com.au>  ? On the printer does it have a setting for Postscript/PCL/Auto ?n3 If it is set to Auto and you are sending postscript . set it to postscript, otherwise set it to pcl. Phil6 Jack Kings <jmkings@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message* news:39EBCE3A.6FF19DBD@worldnet.att.net...> > trying to configure an HP8000 printer using ipraw under dcps8 > v1.8. the library file says it is supported and i have< > configured older hp printers under v1.7 of dcps but i cant: > get this one working. when i print to the hp8000 i get a> > message on the printer window saying "data received" several> > times then it seems to time-out and put the print job into a9 > pending state in the queue and nothing comes out of thea
 > printer. > anyone got any ideas >t > tksy >o > jack >i >e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:32:53 +1000 / From: "Phil Howe0#@^4RT(well@snowyhydro.com.au>h Subject: Re: DCPS v1.82 Message-ID: <BmSG5.40_MT!G+EO14993@ozemail.com.au>  ? On the prAG5^<GYNes it have a setting for Postscript/PCL/Auto ?a3 If it is set to Auto and you are sending postscriptp. set it to postscript, otherwise set it to pcl. Phil6 Jack Kings <jmkings@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message* news:39EBCE3A.6FF19DBD@worldnet.att.net...x > trying to configure an HP8000 printer using ipraw underN[>*;@3= v1.8. the library file says it is supported and i have< > configured older hp printers under v1.7 of dcps but i cant: > get this one working. when i print to the hp8000 i get a> > message on the printer window saying "data received" several> > times then it seems to time-out and put the print job into a9 > pending state in the queue and nothing comes out of thet
 > printer. > anyone got any ideas >s > tksi >. > jack >s >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:50:59 -0400.0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: DCPS v1.8C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-57F91F.09505917102000@news.compaq.com>   < In article <39EBCE3A.6FF19DBD@worldnet.att.net>, Jack Kings ! <jmkings@worldnet.att.net> wrote:4  C > when i print to the hp8000 i get a message on the printer window nE > saying "data received" several times then it seems to time-out and rB > put the print job into a pending state in the queue and nothing  > comes out of the printer.   G Do you have the minimum printer firmware as described in the DCPS V1.8 ' Release Notes?  A In article <BmSG5.40404$O7.514993@ozemail.com.au>, "Phil Howell" B" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote:  @ > If it is set to Auto and you are sending postscript set it to ' > postscript, otherwise set it to pcl. P  F The printer should work with DCPS in autosensing or PostScript mode.  . DCPS never works on a printer set to PCL mode.   Paul   -- a,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:41:34 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>a Subject: Re: DSN* Message-ID: <39EC651E.878078B@hsc.vcu.edu>  2 You mean the Deep Space Network is down again? ;-)  ! 	sorry, guys... had to do that...t   jimg   h wrote: >  > Hello, > M > We're using DSN for a long time, but since last week i've got the following  > error:	 > -------- > Remote server responding) > --- DsnTransport::MODEMERR, Modem errorn > : > - DsnModem::LINK_FAILURE, Data link heartbeat is stopped > 4 > %CMA-F-IN_USE, object referenced is already in use > ) > Who can help me to solve this problem??d >  > Regards Martin >  > email: zmz@mh.nl   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 08:59:52 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <YRg8prUrlD+5@eisner.decus.org>y  [ In article <8sgfmt$m1l$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:rK > On the subject of names.  Yes DECUS has very strong indentity but it cutsBJ > both ways.  We have had a very hard time attracting Tru64 folks to DECUSF > Symposia.  It has been an average of 12-15 people per Tru64 session.L > CETS2000 Tru64 sessions were running between 150-200 people.  For whateverJ > reason, when we have checked, Tru64 folks do not see DECUS as being UnixJ > friendly.  We have tried but they do not seem to be able to get past the	 > name...e  A That certainly would seem to be an issue of publicity or content.sA This was the first time I saw sessions comparing Tru64 clusteringo= to VMS clustering.  Since the speakers were Compaq employees,EC I doubt that their participation was contingent on hiding the DECUS  name.C  E Since DECUS and ITUG are still not merging, calling it the DECUS-ITUGh- Symposium should not discourage either group.s  F The Board of Directors decided the DECUS name was not important enoughF to fight for.  That proposal lost the referendum.  The new proposal isF the same, but with additional dire warnings.  It reminds me of a child) holding its breath until it gets its way.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:13:54 -0700e1 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>e< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...F Message-ID: <OFF8794169.4DAFC39C-ON0725697B.004DE7ED@rsc.raytheon.com>  J Thanks for the tip on the Plain White Envelope.  Without this discussion I never would have guessedE it had anything to do with DECUS.  Talk about stealth, this tops even) COMPAQ marketing!o   dave.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:07:05 -0400e7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com>s< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8shmfb$rp5$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>  G >The Board of Directors decided the DECUS name was not important enough  >to fight for.  H I am curious - where did you obtain the interaction with the Board to be+ able to make this statement with authority?n  # >That proposal lost the referendum.e  K Since very few people to date have said they voted against the bylaw changeaJ because of the name change how do you conclude that the minority who voted- against it did so because of the name change?    > The new proposal is the same,"  B The proposal now contains the 7 members that were triggered by the' objections raised in the CON statement.   = >but with additional dire warnings.  It reminds me of a childa* >holding its breath until it gets its way.  G Are you suggesting this factual information should be withheld from thet membership?      --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================i  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:YRg8prUrlD+5@eisner.decus.org...lA In article <8sgfmt$m1l$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen"E <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:OK > On the subject of names.  Yes DECUS has very strong indentity but it cutsaJ > both ways.  We have had a very hard time attracting Tru64 folks to DECUSF > Symposia.  It has been an average of 12-15 people per Tru64 session.L > CETS2000 Tru64 sessions were running between 150-200 people.  For whateverJ > reason, when we have checked, Tru64 folks do not see DECUS as being UnixJ > friendly.  We have tried but they do not seem to be able to get past the	 > name...u  A That certainly would seem to be an issue of publicity or content.tA This was the first time I saw sessions comparing Tru64 clustering:= to VMS clustering.  Since the speakers were Compaq employees,kC I doubt that their participation was contingent on hiding the DECUSn name.,  E Since DECUS and ITUG are still not merging, calling it the DECUS-ITUG=- Symposium should not discourage either group.N  F The Board of Directors decided the DECUS name was not important enoughF to fight for.  That proposal lost the referendum.  The new proposal isF the same, but with additional dire warnings.  It reminds me of a child) holding its breath until it gets its way.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:12:02 -0400r& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8shmmd$c0i$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  B >That certainly would seem to be an issue of publicity or content.B >This was the first time I saw sessions comparing Tru64 clustering> >to VMS clustering.  Since the speakers were Compaq employees,D >I doubt that their participation was contingent on hiding the DECUS >name.  I We ran a very similar special Unix program at the San Diego Symposium, we K did special advertising to the Unix community, Compaq did special advertingc4 to the Unix community, and we still had low turnout.  F >Since DECUS and ITUG are still not merging, calling it the DECUS-ITUG. >Symposium should not discourage either group.  F On basis do you believe the perception of the Tru64 community would be8 addressed by bring ITUG's Unix credentials into the mix?     --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================e  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:YRg8prUrlD+5@eisner.decus.org...lA In article <8sgfmt$m1l$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen"a <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:-K > On the subject of names.  Yes DECUS has very strong indentity but it cutsqJ > both ways.  We have had a very hard time attracting Tru64 folks to DECUSF > Symposia.  It has been an average of 12-15 people per Tru64 session.L > CETS2000 Tru64 sessions were running between 150-200 people.  For whateverJ > reason, when we have checked, Tru64 folks do not see DECUS as being UnixJ > friendly.  We have tried but they do not seem to be able to get past the	 > name...s  A That certainly would seem to be an issue of publicity or content.uA This was the first time I saw sessions comparing Tru64 clustering = to VMS clustering.  Since the speakers were Compaq employees,aC I doubt that their participation was contingent on hiding the DECUS  name.e  E Since DECUS and ITUG are still not merging, calling it the DECUS-ITUGr- Symposium should not discourage either group.   F The Board of Directors decided the DECUS name was not important enoughF to fight for.  That proposal lost the referendum.  The new proposal isF the same, but with additional dire warnings.  It reminds me of a child) holding its breath until it gets its way.h   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:15:03 -0400t& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8shmtr$k77$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  : >I have attended every US Symposium for the past 20 years.6 >The DECUS office admitted they made a clerical error.  J Did you attend recently as a paid attendee or on a complementary exhibitorH pass? Complementary Tradeshow passes do not auto-qualify for membership.   --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================-  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:75BzQk8PpBb7@eisner.decus.org...mB In article <8scg7r$1s4$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: H > Every member in good standing in our database was sent a ballot in the lastH > election.  To be a member in good standing you must complete an annual auditrJ > in some form.  That is achieved by either answering an annual audit form or5 > by participating in some way at the national level.   9 I have attended every US Symposium for the past 20 years.n5 The DECUS office admitted they made a clerical error.e  G For one who is pushing so hard for this ballot (having been rejected oncJ his previous try) to claim otherwise without checking the facts is absurd.  I This "second ballot so the voters can get it right" does remind me of the. plans of Mr. Milosovic (sp?).-   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:25:59 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <uhp2hg3qUcH6@eisner.decus.org>"  l In article <8shmfb$rp5$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>, "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> writes:H >>The Board of Directors decided the DECUS name was not important enough >>to fight for.i > J > I am curious - where did you obtain the interaction with the Board to be- > able to make this statement with authority?n  I The wording presented to the membership included dropping the name DECUS.e   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:33:57 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) < Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <EFsqvJbXOFif@eisner.decus.org>+  [ In article <8shmmd$c0i$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: C >>That certainly would seem to be an issue of publicity or content. C >>This was the first time I saw sessions comparing Tru64 clusteringF? >>to VMS clustering.  Since the speakers were Compaq employees,-E >>I doubt that their participation was contingent on hiding the DECUS  >>name.- > K > We ran a very similar special Unix program at the San Diego Symposium, wedM > did special advertising to the Unix community, Compaq did special advertingD6 > to the Unix community, and we still had low turnout.  F The session I attended (a BOF, as it happened) involved Andy GoldsteinC (and some VMS Ambassadors) making comparisons with two Tru64 CompaqtC employees.  Rochelle Lauer indicated she learned things.  Even Andyi& Goldstein indicated he learned things.  D It was clear from this discussion that it had never happened before,E even though these people work for the same company.  I do not see how E any of these speakers or audience would have run from the name DECUS.m  E Now I will admit that this fell into that great publicity void calledaD BOFs, but if similar content was presented at San Diego, it was even more deeply buried.a  ( Publicity and content are both required.  B Name changes only hurt.  Note the poster who threw his ballot away% since the envelope did not say DECUS.v   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:36:38 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <9N84t28Q1wnD@eisner.decus.org>   [ In article <8shmtr$k77$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:e; >>I have attended every US Symposium for the past 20 years.s7 >>The DECUS office admitted they made a clerical error.i > L > Did you attend recently as a paid attendee or on a complementary exhibitorJ > pass? Complementary Tradeshow passes do not auto-qualify for membership.  2 And not even for membership renewal/continuation ?   That policy was never stated !  D What is the basis for that decision ?  Someone getting a price breakB does not deserve the ($0 regular price) of DECUS maintaining their membership ?   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:41:16 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)c< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <7rVSr+Q$mn+4@eisner.decus.org>o  [ In article <8shmtr$k77$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: ; >>I have attended every US Symposium for the past 20 years. 7 >>The DECUS office admitted they made a clerical error.P > L > Did you attend recently as a paid attendee or on a complementary exhibitorJ > pass? Complementary Tradeshow passes do not auto-qualify for membership.  E For those not accustomed to vendor details, Jeff is now talking aboutfA the single registration a vendor got for buying a $3000 (or more) 
 booth rental.r  C LJK Software people who just worked in the booth and never got thatm- registration continue to get mail from DECUS.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:56:01 -0400o& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8shpbb$nfl$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>  K It comes from the Tradeshow passes.  The point is now moot anyway since the:< booth fee no longer includes a Symposium complementary pass.   --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================   F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:9N84t28Q1wnD@eisner.decus.org....A In article <8shmtr$k77$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen"e <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes: ; >>I have attended every US Symposium for the past 20 years.f7 >>The DECUS office admitted they made a clerical error.  > L > Did you attend recently as a paid attendee or on a complementary exhibitorJ > pass? Complementary Tradeshow passes do not auto-qualify for membership.  2 And not even for membership renewal/continuation ?   That policy was never stated !  D What is the basis for that decision ?  Someone getting a price breakB does not deserve the ($0 regular price) of DECUS maintaining their membership ?   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:59:56 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8shpie$hkm$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net>  G Since no one knew about this in advance that isn't why we achieved muchm better attendance.  H BTW - Larry I take it you would be in favor of running these Chalk Talks again in the future...  J Also BTW - note I did not do the ballot mailing.  I stay out of that stuffK now.  Please note however all the CETS mailings had the DECUS and CETS logo A on them.  I have no idea why both logos weren't on the ballots...t   --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================t  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:EFsqvJbXOFif@eisner.decus.org...-A In article <8shmmd$c0i$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen". <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:.C >>That certainly would seem to be an issue of publicity or content.nC >>This was the first time I saw sessions comparing Tru64 clusteringA? >>to VMS clustering.  Since the speakers were Compaq employees,eE >>I doubt that their participation was contingent on hiding the DECUSe >>name.n > K > We ran a very similar special Unix program at the San Diego Symposium, wehC > did special advertising to the Unix community, Compaq did specialu	 advertingi6 > to the Unix community, and we still had low turnout.  F The session I attended (a BOF, as it happened) involved Andy GoldsteinC (and some VMS Ambassadors) making comparisons with two Tru64 CompaqrC employees.  Rochelle Lauer indicated she learned things.  Even Andyt& Goldstein indicated he learned things.  D It was clear from this discussion that it had never happened before,E even though these people work for the same company.  I do not see how E any of these speakers or audience would have run from the name DECUS.a  E Now I will admit that this fell into that great publicity void called D BOFs, but if similar content was presented at San Diego, it was even more deeply buried.3  ( Publicity and content are both required.  B Name changes only hurt.  Note the poster who threw his ballot away% since the envelope did not say DECUS.,   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:38:06 GMT  From: dalecoy@my-deja.com-< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...) Message-ID: <8shrou$olc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>U  2 In article <8shmfb$rp5$1@slb0.atl.mindspring.net>,:   "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> wrote: ...sG > I am curious - where did you obtain the interaction with the Board to- be- > able to make this statement with authority?5 >2 >52 > Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)G > =====================================================================  >s  F And that, of course, is a rather fundamental problem with ANY question: or statement.  In the absence of minutes, board reporters,E communication methods, ways to get questions/issues answered, etc....   A The "news media" are thus forced to create their own news.  Given E sufficient publicity, a "wild assertion" can lead to official denial, $ which of course is real information.  D I note that you did not state that the assertion was incorrect - youD just questioned whether the person making the assertion really knew.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:14:32 -0400c& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8shts4$ilu$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  K >Also BTW - note I did not do the ballot mailing.  I stay out of that stuff L >now.  Please note however all the CETS mailings had the DECUS and CETS logoB >on them.  I have no idea why both logos weren't on the ballots...  L Correction - all the mailings to the current membership had both logos - the? mailing to other groups and new folks had only the CETS logo...r     --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================0  1 "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote in message., news:8shpie$hkm$1@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...G Since no one knew about this in advance that isn't why we achieved much7 better attendance.  H BTW - Larry I take it you would be in favor of running these Chalk Talks again in the future...  J Also BTW - note I did not do the ballot mailing.  I stay out of that stuffK now.  Please note however all the CETS mailings had the DECUS and CETS logoeA on them.  I have no idea why both logos weren't on the ballots...n   --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================.  F "Larry Kilgallen" <Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam> wrote in message% news:EFsqvJbXOFif@eisner.decus.org...-A In article <8shmmd$c0i$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Jeff Killeen"  <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> writes:tC >>That certainly would seem to be an issue of publicity or content.oC >>This was the first time I saw sessions comparing Tru64 clusteringf? >>to VMS clustering.  Since the speakers were Compaq employees, E >>I doubt that their participation was contingent on hiding the DECUS  >>name." > K > We ran a very similar special Unix program at the San Diego Symposium, wesC > did special advertising to the Unix community, Compaq did special 	 adverting 6 > to the Unix community, and we still had low turnout.  F The session I attended (a BOF, as it happened) involved Andy GoldsteinC (and some VMS Ambassadors) making comparisons with two Tru64 CompaqcC employees.  Rochelle Lauer indicated she learned things.  Even Andy=& Goldstein indicated he learned things.  D It was clear from this discussion that it had never happened before,E even though these people work for the same company.  I do not see howeE any of these speakers or audience would have run from the name DECUS.e  E Now I will admit that this fell into that great publicity void called D BOFs, but if similar content was presented at San Diego, it was even more deeply buried.-  ( Publicity and content are both required.  B Name changes only hurt.  Note the poster who threw his ballot away% since the envelope did not say DECUS.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:56:42 +0100e  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up lineeH Message-ID: <OF2FF0D5E3.9B629355-ON8025697B.003BABBD@qedi.quintiles.com>  J David Dachtera djesys dot nospam at fsi dot net dot mapson) wrote/quoted :I >>>If you intend to use DECnet at all, you must start it before any othern@ networking software. Other than that, there is no dependency.<<<  5 Untrue, as I've stated here on a number of occasions.gJ It _is_ possible to start DECnet _after_ LAT when using DECnet Classic (ofI Phase IV as it's commonly known).  One specific advantage of this is thatsJ one is able to get onto the system being booted even if DECnet, TCP/IP etcI do not start due to a problem earlier in the startup procedures.  One can G still get in from a terminal server or do a set host/lat from somewhereI; else on the same LAN and try to figure out what went wrong.E  K In fact, this is one of the rules that I have when I'm configuring a systemoI with DECnet Phase IV on it.  Phase V is obviously a different issue sinceI DECnet starts earlier.   Steve.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:23:53 GMTI, From: alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com= Subject: Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?n) Message-ID: <8shndf$kld$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   . In article <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010161634190.17794- 100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>,=   "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> wrote:CC > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 alphaman-nix-spam@hsv.sungardtrust.com wrote:i > [...] B > +(IMHO, the Pipe commands don't count 'cuz they create temporary files, >r	 >  WHAT ?t< >  I was really sure, that PIPE uses the MPA pipe mailboxes.B >  Can you show a example, when PIPE command runs as pseudo-pipe ?  C No, that comment was solely based on conversations with the Q while=G debugging a different pipe issue.  If I presented an ill-formed opiniona@ or mis-stated facts, I apologize and thank you for educating me.  G Regardless, the code presented would be more efficient for inclusion in ? a program; the pipe command would be more easily remembered and G executed by a human in a one-off or infrequent context.  They both havek their place.  
 Respectfully,  Aaron  -- OpenVMS: the OS MS wanted NT 2Bs    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:21:57 +0100e& From: dg@pearl.tao.co.uk (David Given)& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data point% Message-ID: <589hs8.ku9.ln@127.0.0.1>r  6 In article <8sfh7q$d3p$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,5 	hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:4 [...]rN >   For nastier fires, I'd use an extinguisher with a piercing nozzle -- this M >   nozzle is one technique used for engine- or trunk-compartment car fires, UO >   as you can dump the extinguisher into the fire compartment without opening tO >   the hood -- this avoids providing the fire with more oxygen, and it avoids oK >   "diluting" the concentration of the extinguisher due to wind, etc, and wL >   it can reduce the exposure to the combustion products.  (Though I can't K >   say I've ever seen anywhere near the volume of fire with a computer as -F >   is possible with the higher fuel load potentially available to an % >   engine-compartment vehicle fire.)s [...]B  D I remember seeing on one of these really-cheap-TV `world's stupidestG drivers' programmes an incident, recorded by a motorway flyover camera, J where someone's engine spontaneously caught fire. He pulled in on the hardD shoulder, got out his fire extinguisher, and started putting it out.  I Thirty seconds later another car pulled up to help. It turned out to be af= fire extinguisher salesman. Guess what *his* car was full of.=  I Another thirty seconds later a fire engine, on its way home, pulled up asl$ well, still fully loaded with water.  ) Needless to say, that fire was put *out*.g   -- nK +- David Given ---------------McQ-+ "We must go out and utterly crush everyOL |  Work: dg@tao-group.com         | other worldview that does not believe inO |  Play: dgiven@iname.com         | tolerance and free speech!" --- David Brin,aO +- http://wired.st-and.ac.uk/~dg -+ paraphrased                                    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:11:30 +0000  From: nclews@csc.com= Subject: Re: How to determine the best cluster/partition sizeh@ Message-ID: <OF24ADD437.88D78B49-ON0025697B.0039EFE9@eu.csc.com>  2 Ade is the bloke who sits a medium sized internals2 manual throw away from my desk. (i.e. File Systems* Internals, but not 5.2 Internals and D.S.)  < He's a bit of a programmer on the quiet, when he's the time,: and I told him about a program I used some years back that did exactly this.   9 It was called AbilityVSM from Avetech, but only worked tou7 VMS 5.5-2 (Apparently the developer and the company had.7 a disagreement, and the developer took his source code)c' (AbilityVSM and not VMS, it's correct).,  A The company re-wrote it, but it never had the same functionality.r  9 Anyway, it was as fast as DFU, and combined DFU with someh> rather nifty process tools, open files read/write counts, etc.  < I've a feeling what the code did was read the INDEXF.SYS andI in the 'cluster size' analysis bit, it totalled up file sizes the popularp@ cluster sizes and gave a % 'wastage' value (maybe it was blocks,4 memory turning from Non Volatile to Normally Vague).  @ I think Hoff's average approximation would work quite well up toE a point, but when you're talking cluster sizes of 35 and the majority H of files are less than 10 blocks, there are very few files comparatively at or above the cluster size.r  C As Ade says, we're wanting to figure out an efficient cluster size,t9 and probably use bound volumes. The general enquiry is if>B there is a tool out there that will do it, or should we write one?  A I guess we could use DFU to total up file sizes in certain ranges>= vs. total number of files and use Hoff's rule to approximate.   @ We and the customer knows that 7.2 is the answer, but they can't
 go there yet.i   Regards, Nic Clews -o nclews at csc dot comd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:14:30 +0200)= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>p# Subject: Re: How to read "SHOW MEM"y) Message-ID: <39EC5EC6.A343D1DD@gtech.com>t   "Mark D. Jilson" wrote:iH > If this system is currently running all the applications you expect itJ > to run and has had a peak load that will be typical then you can squeezeG > more free memory out of it by dropping NPAGEDYN to 2,914,992.  If youn8 > don't meet the above criteria then I'd leave it alone.  > Considering how much free memory ther actually are and how how= small NPAGEDYN are compared to many VMS systems, then I woulda not recommend that.t   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:26:19 GMTb" From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com># Subject: Re: How to read "SHOW MEM"-) Message-ID: <8shuiu$rfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com>5  H Thanks again for your input everyone. She's purring like a kitten again.    ) In article <8s2pi1$3c4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,.%   fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> wrote:s  > <using his one for the day...> >bE > I admit it, I'm clueless. I'm looking at my show mem results, and IaF > can't seem to decide if the results are good or bad. To me they seem, > good, but then again I'm not a VMS expert. >iG > Also, about autogen, I usually save statistic when I shutdown, but do  IaD > need to do anything at startup to make sure those take effect. I'm using  > OpenVMS Alpha 7.1i >e > Thanks in Advance, > John >c > $ show memB >               System Memory Resources on 11-OCT-2000 18:18:54.47 >eB > Physical Memory Usage (pages):     Total        Free      In Use
 > ModifiedB >   Main Memory (512.00Mb)           65536       42210       22463 > 8635 > B > Virtual I/O Cache (Kbytes):        Total        Free      In UseB >   Cache Memory                      3200           0        3200 >rB > Granularity Hint Regions (pages):  Total        Free      In Use
 > ReleasedB >   Execlet code region               1024           0         512 > 512oB >   Execlet data region                104           3         101 > 0rB >   S0/S1 Executive data region        459           0         459 > 0mB >   S2 Executive data region           320           0         320 > 0qB >   Resident image code region        1024           0         822 > 202i >oB > Slot Usage (slots):                Total        Free    Resident	 > SwappedoB >   Process Entry Slots                299         257          36 > 6aB >   Balance Set Slots                  297         261          34 > 2- >-B > Dynamic Memory Usage (bytes):      Total        Free      In Use	 > LargestiB >   Nonpaged Dynamic Memory        3702784     1183232     2519552 > 380864B >   Paged Dynamic Memory           3055616     1541056     1514560	 > 1466464h >rB > Buffer Object Usage (pages):                  In Use        PeakB >   32-bit System Space Windows (S0/S1)             76          95B >   64-bit System Space Windows (S2)                12          21 >=B > Memory Reservations (pages):                Reserved      In Use > TypeB > Total (0 Mb reserved)                              0           0 >cB > Paging File Usage (blocks):                     Free  Reservable > Totale+ >   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]SWAPFILE.SYSeB >                                                32128       32128 > 38272y+ >   DISK$ALPHASYS:[SYS0.SYSEXE]PAGEFILE.SYSdB >                                               999296      874800	 > 1056768t > H > Of the physical pages in use, 17291 pages are permanently allocated to
 > OpenVMS. > $/ >t > --/ > ********************************************* * > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." >p > /* > John Eisenschmidtt. > fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org > (you know the drill) > */ >:( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.: >:   --- *********************************************s( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."   /* John Eisenschmidtv, fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org (you know the drill) */    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:36:11 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: HSC 50 Question' Message-ID: <G2KFwB.MIt@spcuna.spc.edu>o  ) Volker Kerkhoff <kerkhoff@gmx.de> writes:eG > Ve've a HSC50 Array controller which is still in use here. Last week,=G > we had a power outage, UPS did not come in, and we were in deep shit,lF > since the thing at first wasn't able to reload its software from theH > mini-tapes, since they were filled with some type of black gunk. Guess4 > nobody bothered cleanig them in a couple of years.  D   Stop! That black gunk is the capstan roller in the drive, and it's# destroying the tapes you put in it.c  E   Your best bet is to get a replacement drive (the TU58 was used on asF number of systems, and the PDP-11/44 usually shipped with a dual dribe that was never used).r  G   There are freeware/shareware TU58 emulators available. Some run underiH Unix, while some run under MS-DOS (or on the "bare metal" of an X86 PC).  F   The TU58 drive connects via a serial cable to the host processor, so* it's easy to replace it with the emulator.  G   Another option is a used HSC70. Your existing disk/tape channel cards4I should work in the HSC70, it's somewhat faster, and it uses RX33's (5.25"d floppies) as load media.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAp   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:31:46 GMTr% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)D Subject: Re: html on vms1 Message-ID: <39ec1ba8.671544109@news.newsguy.com>e  @ On 16 Oct 2000 17:16:45 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) wrote:    >dD re.  (Spyglass emosaic is/was one of the incorporated web browsers.) > L >  Netscape 3.03 gold is downloadable, but old.  Mozilla is new but is stillJ >  in beta, and its schedule is tied to the release schedule by the folks  >  over at Mozilla.Org..  B I notice that in the last few days Netscape have just released the@ latest Netscape 6 preview and the web site now says that this isD expected to be the last beta before the final release. As Netscape 6F is based on the Mozilla code base it would seem that the final Mozilla can't be to far way either.e     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 14:44:37 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman); Subject: Re: Ingres SQL via BASIC? (was: Re: VMS Tutorials)f6 Message-ID: <8shokl$roj$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <39EC1F86.EA2F5CE6@jpmorgan.com>, Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> writes:q  J :I'm also interested in any good books on Basic ( i.e the version supplied :with VMS ).  -   I'd encourage the use of the BASIC manuals.t  J :I'm probably getting a bit specialist here but a book on running embedded# :SQL ( Ingres ) using Basic on VMS.a  F   That would have to come from the Ingres folks, or would be a genericD   book on SQL (and particularly embedded SQL).  I know of no book onE   Ingres embedded SQL in BASIC -- but then, I haven't looked for one.   H   Based on my knowledge of the Oracle Rdb SQL$PRE pre-compiler, get the I   base language down first and then learn how to embed the SQL calls and lG   run the pre-compiler.  With the Rdb pre-compiler, what you need to dogI   is a direct extension of the base language, and it all looks and works nD   like subroutine calls from a program written in the base language.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:11:25 +0200f= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>= Subject: Re: Java on Openvms) Message-ID: <39EC5E0D.3BB2FB43@gtech.com>h   andrew harrison wrote:8 > Umm well yes and no. The devil is in the detail and it4 > all depends on the Java implimentation on OpenVMS. > ? > OpenVMS does support Java 1.2.x but this is only a relatively  > recent change. > B > However 1.3 FCS is out on other platforms Solaris, Win32 and AIXB > to my knowledge and some applications require 1.3 incedentally a* > pre-beta version is available for Tru64. > G > There is also the question as to how fast the 1.2.x JVM is on OpenVMSK? > Compaq appear to have concentrated their efforts on Tru64 and=; > at the moment there is a not a supported JVM with the thea= > FastVM for OpenVMS though there is a beta version availablei > for download.g > ; > So if for example you are wedded to AlphaServers but wantl7 > the Compaq OS with the best support for Java then youd+ > would have no choice but to choose Tru64.o > 8 > If you didn't care which OS or HW platform you ran but7 > just wanted the best supported JVM then you would noto! > choose either Tru64 or OpenVMS.e  @ I think we can conclude that SUN must be in really big problems,0 since they find it necesarry to make such posts.   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:34:20 GMTa- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>nF Subject: Re: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web( Message-ID: <39EC555F.59658A73@ohio.edu>  H Just a nit, but the HTML author needs to know that ALT attributes in IMGG tags are not subjected to further HTML processing, so the <I> tags justi
 look lame.  #                                 RDPd     Sue Skonetski wrote:  7 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmla >c > Your comments welcome. >n > Warm Regards,r >r > Sue Skonetskia > editor   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:31:34 -0400-: From: "Koska, John C. (LNG-MBC)" <John.C.Koska@bender.com>F Subject: RE: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the webK Message-ID: <91A9507020DBD311992F0008C709517C545C4D@MBCALBEXC00.BENDER.COM>i  * Thanks for a great issue of OpenVMS Times.  ; I especially liked the "Do you know?" tidbits.  It is greats@ marketing material to be able to pass on to fellow computerists.  B As a sideline, it might be nice to see the top 100 things OpenVMS > has done for the world/humanity, or a list of "Do you knows?".   :) jck JKoska@bender.coms   > -----Original Message-----< > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam]( > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:30 AM > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comCD > Subject: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web >  > 7 > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmlo >  > Your comments welcome. >  > Warm Regards,y >  > Sue Skonetskie > editor >  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:56:51 GMTh/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>iF Subject: Re: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web) Message-ID: <39EC2263.5DF8244E@uiowa.edu>1  > > > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam]* > > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:30 AM > > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comdF > > Subject: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web > >0 > >i9 > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmld > >p > > Your comments welcome. > >O > > Warm Regards,x > >@ > > Sue Skonetskim
 > > editor  > 	Did the fall issue get e-mailed to the subscribers?  I pickedE it up, but I'm subscribed (and have gotten it via e-mail in the past)t* but have not gotten this last issue yet...   Rick -- IH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:50:03 +0000 $ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk0 Subject: LEGATO and TCPWARE combination problem?/ Message-ID: <0025697B.005C3719.00@quegw01.btyp>-   cc:- bcc:L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza  ' LEGATO and TCPWARE combination problem?a    	 Dear all,-  O We use (not my choice - too many bugs and too many problems) LEGATO for our VMScJ backups. One of the outstanding issues is that quite frequently the clientK processes (ie those on the VMS host) are 'killed' whilst backups are taking F place (SYSTEM-F-FORCEDEXIT I think), so I wonder if there is a defaultO inactivity timeout value for TCPWare, and if so, what is it and how do I changegP it? Are there any logicals associated with it I can set? The documentation seemsN sadly lacking in this area, so it may be one of these undocumented logicals we keep coming across.h  O I have asked a similar question about this, at the time I was looking for a VMSyO reason for the FORCEDEXIT, now it's TCPWares turn. Only because LEGATO say thateJ it isn't anything to do with their product, despite the fact we seem to be beta-testing it for them...e   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pagest     [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:46:29 GMTs From: tony_barratt@my-deja.com5 Subject: Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11 ) Message-ID: <8sh3l4$5im$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  ' In article <39EB2C71.DC5303F4@fsi.net>,t%   djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson wrote:e! > tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:  > >- > > Hi List,< > > Can anyone cast some light on how linefeeds can go AWOL?E > > We have two seperate VMS machines displaying the same distressingnD > > symtoms. One with a TCPWare TCPIP stack the other with UCX. Both > > running VMS 7.1.E > > We are telneting to a port on the VMS node that invokes a servicee whichSB > > performs a "type/continuous" on a files-11 file. This file hasG > > additional lines regulary appended to it by an application. Each ofo theIC > > appended lines appears in the file complete with line feeds, ast
 > > expected.cC > > But the data appears minus the line feeds when we telnet to theo port in.G > > the manner desribed above. We can telnet from a unix machine, or wen can B > > telnet from the VMS machine to itself and get the same result. > >eD > > Can anyone suggest what might be causing this? Or failing that a method > > of further investigating?p >fH > This has to do with a record attribute known as "carriage control". IfG > this is specified as "none" when the file is created, the result willl beF > what you're seeing. If specified as "carriage return", the text will > appear normally when TYPEd.  > F > Do a DIRECTORY/FULL of the file in question, and check what is shown forr > "Record Attributes". >, > David J. Dachterai >c    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.1   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:00:34 GMT  From: salvatorelli@my-deja.com5 Subject: Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11b) Message-ID: <8sh4fg$61q$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   
 Hi everybody,a@ I checked for the record attributes of the files involved with a> dir/full and they have "Carriage return carriage control" set. Any other ideas? Thanks a lot. Marilena    ) In article <8sh3l4$5im$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, !   tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:n) > In article <39EB2C71.DC5303F4@fsi.net>,o' >   djesys.nospam@fsi.net.mapson wrote:-# > > tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:  > > >: > > > Hi List,> > > > Can anyone cast some light on how linefeeds can go AWOL?G > > > We have two seperate VMS machines displaying the same distressingcF > > > symtoms. One with a TCPWare TCPIP stack the other with UCX. Both > > > running VMS 7.1.G > > > We are telneting to a port on the VMS node that invokes a serviceu > whicheD > > > performs a "type/continuous" on a files-11 file. This file hasF > > > additional lines regulary appended to it by an application. Each of > the E > > > appended lines appears in the file complete with line feeds, asa > > > expected.yE > > > But the data appears minus the line feeds when we telnet to the-	 > port in-F > > > the manner desribed above. We can telnet from a unix machine, or we > cancD > > > telnet from the VMS machine to itself and get the same result. > > > F > > > Can anyone suggest what might be causing this? Or failing that a > method > > > of further investigating?o > > G > > This has to do with a record attribute known as "carriage control".  IfD > > this is specified as "none" when the file is created, the result will > beH > > what you're seeing. If specified as "carriage return", the text will > > appear normally when TYPEd.  > > H > > Do a DIRECTORY/FULL of the file in question, and check what is shown > ford > > "Record Attributes". > >a > > David J. Dachterac > >m >s( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.C   ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:16:58 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>5 Subject: Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11 J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010171143130.21101-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  3 On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 tony_barratt@my-deja.com wrote:n  	 +Hi List,R9 +Can anyone cast some light on how linefeeds can go AWOL?  [...]cH +We are telneting to a port on the VMS node that invokes a service which1 +performs a "type/continuous" on a files-11 file.   <  Can you be little more specific how the service is set-up ? (UCX> SHOW SERV name/FULL etc)  < +                                              This file hasH +additional lines regulary appended to it by an application. Each of the@ +appended lines appears in the file complete with line feeds, as
 +expected.H +But the data appears minus the line feeds when we telnet to the port inH +the manner desribed above. We can telnet from a unix machine, or we can? +telnet from the VMS machine to itself and get the same result.  +e/ +Can anyone suggest what might be causing this?m  F  One reason: "something" in your TCP services is not aware of "record  barier".?  The RMS data (mostly used), including file structure (but alsojB one read b.ex. from mailbox !) are record-oriented. That mean: the8 stream of data is somewhere "cut" as a separate records.?  The "record" in known to record-aware program and the programs 0 can "do something" with *whole records* of data.<  A example is a "typical text file": in *most* files (except8 "fit stream type") you do *not* have a "line separator".>  The file is saved in RMS level as a "series of records" - and: *while displaying* the "end of record" marks are converted/ to "new line" character or character seqeuence. 7  Be aware: the file itself has *not* the CR, LF or CRLF @ sequences saved in data, the sequence is added *by application*.9  The file, of course, *can* have some CRLF saved into: in = attached .BCK you can find a example; BTW: check it with your*8 service and see, if the third record is cut to two lines when typed via the service !:  When you b.ex. TYPE a file - the "carrier control" means:' "add (or not) a virtual CR LF to data".e6  *If* you read the file record-by-record *and* send to8 output only data (ignoring the "record breaks") you will4 *not* see the virtual CRLF - because it not exists !1  Probably your programm does something like this.e  <  The "unix concept" uses only data as "stream of byte" - and expect a "real CRLF" in data.s6  Someone can say: "how then a C program, where ignores4 a record structure can work ?" - the answer is: "the; library manages the conversion of >>virtual CR<< (as record0* end) to >>real CRLF<< (or CR or LF only)".8  The "bug" of "missing CRLF" manifests only, if the data7 is read as records but written as stream of bytes *and*.2 the code ignores the "add virtual line end" needs.  .  Then have ask about info of your UCX service.   +TIA +U +Tonyn    Regards - Gotfryd   -- eE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:23:51 +0200v% From: "Fred Zwarts" <F.Zwarts@KVI.nl>y Subject: Re: Mail forwarding. Message-ID: <8sguq6$rct$1@info.service.rug.nl>  , "Neo" <neo_75fr@yahoo.fr> wrote in message =& news:8s9dp1$1vve$1@news4.isdnet.net...C > I'm using the mail program under OpenVMS 7.2 (by typing mail at =  prompt).. > I've set a mail forwarding address by typing > MAIL> set forward xxx@xxx.comeI > I'd like to keep a local copy of all incoming mail on my account. How =i vould 
 > I do this ?  >=20  2 As far as I know you can't do this with mail only.@ You need something like DELIVER, which is on the FreeWare CDrom.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 14:36:46 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: malloc: SYSTEM-F-ROPRAND failure 6 Message-ID: <8sho5u$roj$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  * Message text reportedly penned by JF MezeiG :However, I do have a question: Is there some good document that reallyo2 :explains how the stacks work on VAX (and alpha) ?  B   Please take a look at the OpenVMS Calling Standard Manual.  This2   manual is part of the OpenVMS Documentation Set.  C   The VAX and Alpha architecture handbooks have the hardware-level hA   details of the stack and stack operations, including procedure     calls and such.j  B   That said, a fault from malloc is relatively unlikely to involveB   the stack -- it likely has to do with a corruption of the heap. C   (The heap is quite different from the stack.)  ROPRAND typically tA   indicates an instruction-level fault, and (on little evidence)  B   I'd guess that this ROPRAND was a result of a queue instruction C   for a heap lookaside list encountering an unaligned or otherwise e@   corrupted queue linkage.  Now you can get a ROPRAND fault whenF   manipulating a corrupt stack (such as a function that cannot return E   due to corruption of the call stack), but in the context of malloc sG   I've almost always found the cause to track back to a corrupted heap.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:48:03 -0400e, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>& Subject: Re: Memory allocation problem> Message-ID: <hshubs-068348.07480317102000@news.mindspring.com>  J In article <65OG5.44$gy1.2816@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>, "Robin Houston @ Air 5 Warfare Systems Centre" <aawsc@fastrac.net.au> wrote:d  J >At the advice from a friend I have just increased my swapfile to the same >size as the pagefile (550,000)x   What version are you running?  -- l Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:32:55 GMT-' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>p  Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes- Message-ID: <39EC46AA.B7E30510@theblakes.com>   E A new kit will be made available today. I'll post a note here when itF happens.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:32:46 +0200B( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>6 Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done& Message-ID: <39EBF28E.E0FB2202@cli.de>  # champ_clark666@my-deja.com schrieb:s > L >         Wow.. Steve.. You pretty much read my mind.  I've kept around, forF > years now,  a "sun-bootable" CD drive for years now for exactly thatA > reason.   For loading and playing with OS's on old Sparcs (SS2,rD > IPX's,  etc)...  I just used it the other day on a SS5,  so I knowF > its working.  Man,  if that works that would be a relief.... If not,D > there was a guy here in Jacksonville that offered to let me borrowI > his RRD42.  In that case,  I'd just bring the 3100 back to Jacksonville I > and meet up with him (I'd just feel better doing that)... I'll bet thathB > old POS CD drive I've used on Sparcs for years does the trick... > @ I recently tired some old Plextor and Pioneer CDROMs on my 3180.@ All of them have a jumper called "Block" or "512/2048". They all@ worked fine, but the Plex 12/20 had some dropouts. I did not had any probs with the pioneers.  
 Hope it helpss   --  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de-C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89<   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:41:37 GMTi( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>+ Subject: Re: Need help on License questionsa' Message-ID: <G2KG5D.Mu2@spcuna.spc.edu>n  ) John E. Malmberg <wb8tyw@qsl.net> writes:pL > Now the license is bonded to the specific processor that it was sold with.K > The current policies of Compaq indicate that you can transfer the licensemF > with that processor to a third party if someone pays a transfer fee.  I   That's true, but his transfer is "within the same organization/business=G unit" and (at least under some versions of the licensing scheme) can bee3 transfered without fee or notice to Digital/Compaq.   L > The VAX-VMS licenses are bonded to the specific processor that it was soldJ > with.  The current policies of Compaq indicate that you can transfer theN > license with that processor to a third party if someone pays a transfer fee.  I   If it's a VMS base license (as it indeed appears to be) then it is tiedgI to a specific CPU. If it's a VMS-USER license (adding users to a base li-hH cense) then it can float within the organization. At one time, DEC had aK "trade up to VMS-USER" program where you turned in your old license and goteI a pair of new BASE + USER licenses. I have no idea if that's still in ef-i ect or sensibly priced.r  I   For modular processors (bus-based systems) DEC has allowed the licensesoI to go with just the CPU boards, instead of the whole system. That doesn'tn) make sense with a busless system, though.e  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAt   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 01:55:48 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)% Subject: Re: Newbie DEBUGger question L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1710000155480001@user-2iveagr.dialup.mindspring.com>  Z In article <39EABC45.AE79FBE@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    F > Well, I toyed with the book (on-line help is too slow in debug), ...  Um, it seems strange if Help is the slowest part of debug.  Are you perhaps running on a system where the help libraries have NOT been decompressed?  Particularly on machines old enough to make you notice the speed of help, decompressing the libraries makes a huge difference.   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comr   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:54:05 +0200l= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>d( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products) Message-ID: <39EC59FC.5767F6E9@gtech.com>    SysAdmin wrote:r > Arne Vajhj wrote:# > > What is wrong with GCC on VMS ?o > >uI > > I have used it at occasions over the last 10 years and it seems OK to  > > me.  > A > Is there a current *WORKING* *RELIABLE* version for OVMS Alpha?  > ' > ...and if so, where does one find it?  > H > Dan Sugalski has reported that V2.8.0 (the last available GCC for OVMSJ > Alpha, AFAIK) produces bad machine code under predictable circumstances.  ' I am sure ther are bugs in GCC for VMS.   D But my experience are relative good. It works as good as under Win32	 (Cygwin).b  C It is not commercial grade quality, but if one wants that, then payo Compaq.T   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:52:13 +0200A= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>c( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products) Message-ID: <39EC598C.AA8C3312@gtech.com>s   Alan Greig wrote:tF > The question is perhaps what happened to Richard Levitte, the GNU onF > VMS co-ordinator, I've sent him some email so maybe he can cast some > light.  ! I got email from a half year ago.t  ! He is apperently not as active inw* news-group/mail-lists/freeware-development as he use to be.  F I do not know why, but it can happend for all of us. This thing called work' sometimes demands too much of our time.g   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:57:51 +0200e= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products) Message-ID: <39EC5ADF.4728E8C0@gtech.com>p   SysAdmin wrote:  > Arne Vajhj wrote:C > > But AFAIK the current discussiin are about a visual developmentl > > environment.2 > > Not about the price a development environment. > > 4 > > And BTW MS development tools are not that cheap. > G > A quick look at CDW (US company, local to my area) carries them for ayJ > three-figure dollar amount (retail), well below the cheapest non-partnerB > license prices for the equivalent non-visual tools from the "Q".  7 MS and Compaq has completely different pricing schemes.n  = Compaq has free license for hobbyist, very cheap licenses forl educationalt% sites, very cheap licenses for ISV's.n  @ MS has usually different versions of their development products:
 standard, prorG and enterprise. The last one are sually in the 2500 USD range. And thena I do not consider it cheap any more.n   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:01:26 +0200.= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>i( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products) Message-ID: <39EC5BB5.32C6034C@gtech.com>    andrew harrison wrote:> > I for one am unsurprised that there appears to be widespread< > disinterest in supporting OpenVMS in the GNU/Free software9 > community. After all you can hardly expect much supporte= > from a community whose prefered methods and tools have beenf6 > so comprehensively trashed by posters to this group. > 6 > On one hand you get people saying things like, C/C++7 > Linux/UNIX UUUUUUKKKKKKKK only a braindead programmer 7 > would contemplate using any of the above while at the 6 > same time whining because the same programmers don't9 > show due deferance to the almighty OpenVMS by including & > support for it in their source code.  F If the GNU people indeed consider certain anti-Unix-freeware people toA offcial represent VMS and judge VMS on that, then a very accurate 	 analysis.h  < But I think you have to be a SUN employee to think that way.  ) The GNU people are way to smart for that.    Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:43:24 -0200e) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brn( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated productsL Message-ID: <OF685419AE.832B07F1-ON8325697B.0059E1D1@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H GNU ? POSIX ? All these "organizations" are comited to the "X" - Unix .=  . .H Even OpenVMS is "Open",  there=B4s no interest  of these people to port=  to  OpenVMS or other6 "Open" operating systems - please tell me one more !!!H How many products were ported to OpenVMS after it become Open ? Well...= . Ih
 believe a feweH in the hands of a few good men - independet programmers. But what compa= nies ported their@ products do OpenVMS from the Unix source ? Tell me one and .....  E I dont imagine they will write a program in C++ with all instructionsn oriented to the9H unix environment (hundreds of Xs and Linuxes) and simply port to OpenVM= Sy (becauseH it=B4s not a X ). Will happen a lack of instructions, performance and m= isuseo of the whole operating system.e  A Would be important a good organization (Like  www.openvms.org) to # concentrate the strenght of OpenVMSt0 interested personal in develop, program, etc ...   This is my personal opinion....t   Regards    FC                      = Arne Vajh=F8j <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> em 17/10/2000 12:01:26lH                                                                        =     =20 H                                                                        =     =20,H                                                                        =     =20n    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products                    =20@                                                              =20           =j     andrew harrison wrote:> > I for one am unsurprised that there appears to be widespread< > disinterest in supporting OpenVMS in the GNU/Free software9 > community. After all you can hardly expect much supporto= > from a community whose prefered methods and tools have beenl6 > so comprehensively trashed by posters to this group. >16 > On one hand you get people saying things like, C/C++7 > Linux/UNIX UUUUUUKKKKKKKK only a braindead programmeri7 > would contemplate using any of the above while at the 6 > same time whining because the same programmers don't9 > show due deferance to the almighty OpenVMS by includingo& > support for it in their source code.  F If the GNU people indeed consider certain anti-Unix-freeware people toA offcial represent VMS and judge VMS on that, then a very accurateh	 analysis.o  < But I think you have to be a SUN employee to think that way.  ) The GNU people are way to smart for that.e   Arne       =    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:48:06 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastationsm' Message-ID: <G2KGG6.n28@spcuna.spc.edu>m  - Richard Jordan <rjordan@mars.mcs.net> writes: C > The VMS V7.1-2 SPD shows a memory limit of 192MB for OpenVMS whentB > used on this particular model; in fact it lists 192MB as the maxD > for Alphaserver 400, Alphastation 400, Alphastation 250 and Alpha-= > station 200 (but interestingly not the Alphaserver 300...).a >pB > Any comment on why it exists would be appreciated (as a point ofC > information; I'm curious!  My home AS200 only has 160MB of RAM soa' > I can't check things out).  Thanks...f  E   The memory size limits in the SPD are based on the maximum physicalTD installable memory at first revenue ship, and don't get updated whenD newer memory technologies come out. For example, the AS200 4/233 hadE a maximum physical memory of 192MB at FRS, but was later increased toeD 384MB when higher-density chips came out. DEC discontinued that sys-F tem before 128MB SIMMs were available, but I successfully ran an AS200/ 4/233 with 768MB (6 128MB SIMMs) under VMS 7.1.k  E   In general, if you can increase memory in the box without replacing G the memory controller, VMS will support it transparently. If the memorycD controller has to be replaced (for example, the MS750-HB upgrade kitF for the VAX 750 replaces the memory controller in order to support 4MBF boards) VMS will support it but the error log display utility may showC incorrect syndrome information for memory errors. However, since noeC recent (or not-so-recent) systems have separate memory controllers,e this doesn't matter.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAr   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:12:41 GMTC= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastationse0 Message-ID: <009F1B89.B889E450@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <_IPG5.275$qj2.50991@news.goodnet.com>, rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes:G >I'm at home, and the only OpenVMS SPD I have handy is V7.1-2, and the =H >extraordinarily efficient in preventing me from locating a current one. >RD >A friend just inherited an Alphastation 250 4/266 from his work; itB >was running Digital Unix, and has 256MB of memory.  The drive wasC >pulled, and the license traded in/up so all he has is the hardware16 >and now wants to put Hobbyist VMS on it (an UPGRADE!) >VB >The VMS V7.1-2 SPD shows a memory limit of 192MB for OpenVMS whenA >used on this particular model; in fact it lists 192MB as the maxeC >for Alphaserver 400, Alphastation 400, Alphastation 250 and Alpha-d< >station 200 (but interestingly not the Alphaserver 300...). > D >That is the only SPD I can get to; all but the V6.1 have apparentlyD >been removed from teh archive site also (V6.1 is pre-Alphastation).A >Has this restriction been modified in any way in later releases?wA >Any comment on why it exists would be appreciated (as a point ofeB >information; I'm curious!  My home AS200 only has 160MB of RAM so& >I can't check things out).  Thanks... >n >Rich Jordan >rjordan@mcs.net  B I have an AlphaStation (actually 3) with 384MB each (6x64MB SIMMs)@ and I know that Terry Kennedy had reported having 768MB (6x128MBA SIMMs) in an AlphaStation 200.  I believe that the "memory liimt"tB you read was based on the use of more readily available 32MB SIMMs which would yield 192MB.  A VMS V7.1-2, V7.2-1 and even E7.3 run just fine.  With 384MBs, I'm A also able to set a fair amount aside for Galactic memory to writevA and test programs using shared memory -- of course, there's not a,8 lot that can be shared within a single instance galaxy.    >u --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMw            iO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.l   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:23:04 GMT + From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) 9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastationsi2 Message-ID: <chZG5.291$qj2.55764@news.goodnet.com>  
 Terry, Brian,aJ      thanks both for the information.  I do recall Terry's experiment withK 128MB SIMMs but did not recall if he actually ran VMS or just checked it innI SRM.  Very nice to know.  Of course if my friend doesn't end up liking oro keeping his AS250... ;).  J      The wording in the V7.1-2 SPD was rather surprising; it specifically H listed certain models as having memory support restrictions, then gave aJ blanket (all other models are supported with their maximum physical memory? capabilities)... seems that these models are also so supported.l   Rich Jordanm rjordan@mcs.neth   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:59:53 GMT1= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)t9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastationse0 Message-ID: <009F1BB1.D7B7E55C@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ` In article <chZG5.291$qj2.55764@news.goodnet.com>, rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes: >Terry, Brian,K >     thanks both for the information.  I do recall Terry's experiment with-L >128MB SIMMs but did not recall if he actually ran VMS or just checked it inJ >SRM.  Very nice to know.  Of course if my friend doesn't end up liking or >keeping his AS250... ;).e >iK >     The wording in the V7.1-2 SPD was rather surprising; it specifically -I >listed certain models as having memory support restrictions, then gave amK >blanket (all other models are supported with their maximum physical memorys@ >capabilities)... seems that these models are also so supported.  F I would guess it is just that DEC/Compaq have not tested said machinesG with that amount of memory and therefore, they will not certify/warrantr VMS with those larger amounts.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.            dO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.w   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:49:43 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations ' Message-ID: <G2L2qv.B5A@spcuna.spc.edu>t  - Richard Jordan <rjordan@mars.mcs.net> writes:iL >      The wording in the V7.1-2 SPD was rather surprising; it specifically J > listed certain models as having memory support restrictions, then gave aL > blanket (all other models are supported with their maximum physical memoryA > capabilities)... seems that these models are also so supported.s  J   I'd guess that the sections were written at different times by differentI people, and that at the time they were written, they meant the same thinghH (but since then, the maximim physical memory for the ones listed by size has been increased).  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:14:46 -0700s0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu> Subject: PBXGB-AA Information " Message-ID: <39EC6CE6.5B5@ups.edu>  B Yesterday there was a request for information on the 3D30 graphicsD adapter on a DPW433au workstation. I replied that I was using one atH home on my dpw433au workstation and that I would consult the manual that: came with it. I now have that manual with me here at work.  C Unfortunately I lost the email address of the person requesting theaB information. So, if that person reads this please respond so I can provide the information.   Bill   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:56:52 GMTy From: richard_maher@my-deja.com & Subject: Re: pipe driver documentation) Message-ID: <8shpbf$md6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s   Hi,   F I'm just curious as to why a new device was needed at all? I've alwaysF assumed that the stream i/o features with mailboxes were introduced to handle pipe functionality?   Regards Richard Maher.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:33:31 GMTc From: ThackrayA@logica.com- Subject: Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?h0 Message-ID: <39ec1c51.7769972@news.logica.co.uk>  D I bought one of these MB from Computer Surplus Outlet, with matching" power supply, about 18 months ago.  ) You might see if they have some PSU left.,  $ http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com  ? They are a bit unusual in that they have a 3.3volt output. Froms recollection 99$...n      B On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:16:34 GMT, atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky) wrote:e  H >I'm looking for recommendations for a source of a power supply suitableK >for use with the Alpha PC64 Cabriolet motherboard.  Can anyone point me int >the right direction?s >o >Thanksd >g >-- D >Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:51:28 GMTm/ From: atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky)m- Subject: Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet? & Message-ID: <G2L01t.5Hw@world.std.com>  J Thanks for the tip.  Computer Surplus Outlet has a 300W 3.3V PS for $99 inI their catalog as part # CAS-30033.  They could not confirm over the phone?F that this PS works with any Alpha board.  Is anyone successfully using this PS with a Cabriolet board?7   Alex   ThackrayA@logica.com wrote: F : I bought one of these MB from Computer Surplus Outlet, with matching$ : power supply, about 18 months ago.  + : You might see if they have some PSU left.   & : http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com  A : They are a bit unusual in that they have a 3.3volt output. From  : recollection 99$...r   --  C Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.coms   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:18:34 +0200g, From: "Michael Pabel" <michael.pabel@aon.at>. Subject: Problems with shared file access in C; Message-ID: <39ec35a0$0$108184@SSP1NO25.highway.telekom.at>n   Hello everybody there,  # I have a problem with 2 C programs.-@ The first program should open/create a sequential file and writeA some output (like a logfile). I use the following open statement:IC   log_file = fopen ("x.log", "a+", "ctx=rec", "shr=get", "rfm=var",n
 "rat=cr");  G The second program should only read the file. Within the second program ' the following open statement is in use:a"   log_file = fopen ("x.log", "r");  ; If i start the programs, the second program terminates witht- " ... file currently locked by another user".d   Can anyone help me?o   Thanks Michaelo   ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:50:56 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>2 Subject: Re: Problems with shared file access in CJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010171449220.21101-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  ) On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Michael Pabel wrote:5   +Hello everybody there,  +A$ +I have a problem with 2 C programs.A +The first program should open/create a sequential file and write B +some output (like a logfile). I use the following open statement:D +  log_file = fopen ("x.log", "a+", "ctx=rec", "shr=get", "rfm=var", +"rat=cr");  + H +The second program should only read the file. Within the second program( +the following open statement is in use:# +  log_file = fopen ("x.log", "r");e +v< +If i start the programs, the second program terminates with. +" ... file currently locked by another user".  )  Why not "shr=put" and also record mode ?e    Regards - Gotfryd   -- vE =====================================================================tF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MES. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 07:59:37 -0500g) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> 2 Subject: Re: Problems with shared file access in C/ Message-ID: <suoj5ckd91aobd@corp.supernews.com>r  , "Michael Pabel" <michael.pabel#aon.at> wrote@ in message news:39ec35a0$0$108184@SSP1NO25.highway.telekom.at... > Hello everybody there, >x% > I have a problem with 2 C programs.wB > The first program should open/create a sequential file and writeC > some output (like a logfile). I use the following open statement:nE >   log_file = fopen ("x.log", "a+", "ctx=rec", "shr=get", "rfm=var",r > "rat=cr");   That looks about right.t  I > The second program should only read the file. Within the second programt) > the following open statement is in use:V$ >   log_file = fopen ("x.log", "r");  = > If i start the programs, the second program terminates withn/ > " ... file currently locked by another user".   H That would be expected, as you did not specify any file sharing options.  The default is exclusive access.   > Can anyone help me?p  L You have to have all accessors of the file open it with the appropriate fileE sharing.  You probably need to add "shr=put", and possibly "ctx=rec".c   -Johnu wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 14:53:59 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)2 Subject: Re: Problems with shared file access in C6 Message-ID: <8shp67$roj$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  j In article <39ec35a0$0$108184@SSP1NO25.highway.telekom.at>, "Michael Pabel" <michael.pabel@aon.at> writes:< :If i start the programs, the second program terminates with. :" ... file currently locked by another user".  3   Others have answered the question with specifics.   A   As for a source code example of what you want to do, please seee6   topic 2876 in the OpenVMS Ask The Wizard (ATW) area:8     <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/wiz_2867.html>  A   The section entitled "PROG19. How can I open a file for shared yB   access?" in the OpenVMS Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) points ?   directly to ATW topic 2867 -- the FAQ can be quite useful in l=   obtaining answers to commonly-asked questions and is a good    starting point for research.  7   The FAQ is available at various sites, including via:h$     <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/>  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:12:04 -0700 5 From: "cstranslations" <cstranslations@email.msn.com>  Subject: Re: pthread and 7.3) Message-ID: <ukfwjf#NAHA.324@cpmsnbbsa09>   = Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message 0 news:8sfhkr$d3p$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... > < > In article <eHIOM6wNAHA.319@cpmsnbbsa09>, "cstranslations"& <cstranslations@email.msn.com> writes:= > :We'll see how much I get slapped around for this one . . .  > : I > :Anyone know if applying (eco) vms721_update-v0100 to OpenVMS 7.3 (welloI > :actually to E7.3) is a good idea (or at least the pthead patch that it 3 > :incorporates, vms721_pthread-v0100 - I believe).  > $ >   It would not be my first choice.  2 Could I get away with pleading temporary insanity?  G >   The MULTIPROCESSING default is 3, on OpenVMS Alpha, which loads the I >   streamlined SMP when booted on an SMP-capable system.  When booted onoF >   a uniprocessor system, the uniprocessor synchronization is loaded.  I Well after spending all weekend on getting it set up (and still not beingAL 100% done) I really don't feel much like looking at it at the moment. In anyE event I just booted it and MULTIPROCESSING is set to 3. Am I (really) L missing something (that big) here? Lord knows it wouldn't be the first time.I There's only one CPU in the box and from what I can tell short of glueing G another one onto the front :-) :-) (and I don't think a START/CPU woulde recognize it) . . .      Joed   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 14:28:34 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node+ Message-ID: <kLzzwx6XWQWp@eisner.decus.org>,  \ In article <39EB8B78.E79C7A5F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > P > $DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical  "Please send me Tim Tam cookies" >    $show logical mylogical I     "MYLOGICAL" = "Please send me Tim Tam cookies" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)R  B now, if I wasn't reading usenet, how would I know who "me" is? 8-)  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationt= GSFC Code 582 Flight Software   | Federal Sector, Civil GroupeE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:56:26 +0200n/ From: "Eric BLIGUET" <eric.bliguet@sicarev.com>a! Subject: remote print over tcp/ipr, Message-ID: <8sh91c$r0q$1@reader1.fr.uu.net>   hello everybody there,   We have a trouble mistake...A 2 computers link via TCP/IP , printer define on ucx$lprsetup, anda5 init/queue/proc=ucx$telnetsym /on="ucx$queue:xxx" ... H when we are sending a print job from the computer A to B we receive this	 message :   < LPD retrying failed job, a number : 775 user : TOTO status :@ %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link.  3 PS : this printer work fine before this problem ...u   thanks for your soon answer....( Eric BLIGUET   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:12:02 +0200h- From: Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> % Subject: Re: remote print over tcp/ipc3 Message-ID: <39EC4212.778F3A61@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>5   Eric BLIGUET wrote:h >  > hello everybody there, >  > We have a trouble mistake...C > 2 computers link via TCP/IP , printer define on ucx$lprsetup, andw7 > init/queue/proc=ucx$telnetsym /on="ucx$queue:xxx" ...eJ > when we are sending a print job from the computer A to B we receive this > message :d > > > LPD retrying failed job, a number : 775 user : TOTO status :B > %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link. > 5 > PS : this printer work fine before this problem ...  >  The problem is at computer B. G  one of the reasons to get such a message is that the temporary storagel6 location on computer B is too small to store the file.                     Jouk -- G  > Ceterum censeo tertium millennium post Christum natum anno MMI incepturum esseI  P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<  
   Jouk Jansen  		 n   joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nln  E   Technische Universiteit Delft        tttttttttt  uu     uu  dddddddoF   Nationaal centrum voor HREM          tttttttttt  uu     uu  dd    ddG   Rotterdamseweg 137                       tt      uu     uu  dd     dd G   2628 AL Delft                            tt      uu     uu  dd     dd-F   Nederland                                tt      uu     uu  dd    ddE   tel. 31-15-2781536                       tt       uuuuuuu   ddddddd   P >------------------------------------------------------------------------------<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:39:33 +0100h  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com% Subject: Re: remote print over tcp/ip H Message-ID: <OF7C4170D3.A6DD341B-ON8025697B.0039DABF@qedi.quintiles.com>  I I'd probably go about this a different way - use telnet symbionts on bothoJ systems to talk to the printer directly.  That way there's not going to beD a problem with storage limitations (as one respondent suggested) and9 problems with one system do not affect printing for both.6  J Alternatively, if both of the systems are running VMS and both have DECnetJ Plus installed you could buy DQS from Compaq and use DECnet over TCP/IP toE pass jobs from one system to the other.  This does work and is pretty G reliable too.  Plus it's really noddy to set up once you understand theMH concepts behind it and it's less than 500 pounds GB per system, even for9 AlphaServer 8400s (and only abouut 250 for ES40s IIRC)...r   Steve.  9 Eric Bliguet (eric dot bliguet at sicarev dot com) wrote:  >>>We have a trouble mistake...fA 2 computers link via TCP/IP , printer define on ucx$lprsetup, andi5 init/queue/proc=ucx$telnetsym /on="ucx$queue:xxx" ...eH when we are sending a print job from the computer A to B we receive this	 message :0  < LPD retrying failed job, a number : 775 user : TOTO status :@ %SYSTEM-F-LINKDISCON, network partner disconnected logical link.  3 PS : this printer work fine before this problem ...i   thanks for your soon answer....r Eric BLIGUET<<<a   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:43:15 GMT / From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>o Subject: shadowing problemsd) Message-ID: <8shhh2$fjc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>5  D I have been having problems increasing the size of a shadow set. TheB old shadow sets have 2x4Gbyte disks and we hav attached a new disk subsystem with 9 Gbyte disks.aC I have backed the shadow sets up to the new disks (/image) and thena< dismounted the shadowsets so they now have no disks in them.= Then I tried to mount the new 9Gb disk into the shadow set by-0 mount/clus/noass dsa9:/shad=$1$dka6: diskf diskf   The message I got wasB  E no master member for virtual unit (or something very similar to that)e  ) This is a 3 node cluster running VMS7.1-25  B I can't find any detailed doc. describing that error message and I. don't really understand exactly what it means.D I assumed that the system had somehow remembered that the shadow setG previously had 4Gb disks and was refusing to mounta bigger disk into ity: so I re-tried the mount command with a new DSA device name
 - same error.f? Eventually I rebooted the cluster and mounted the disk privatly D with/over-shad - OK but I was hoping it would go into the shadow set4 after doing this and then dismounting it - it didn't> Then I reboted the cluster again and retried the mount command   Then it was OKC which confused me 'cause I hadn't fixed any problems that I know of   D Does anyone know what the error message means. Remember there are noD current members of the shadset on the cluster when I do the mount soE surely any disk should be acceptable (unless it was halfway through a  shad copy to it maybe)  = Does anyone see any holes/mistakes/cock-ups in the procedure.i  7 A pointer to a bit of a manual that helps would be nice    TIAf  
 Mike Price --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 16:19:47 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)r Subject: Re: shadowing problems ! Message-ID: <MjQXZK+a7V6X@ludens>t  [ In article <8shhh2$fjc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> writes:l  E > I have backed the shadow sets up to the new disks (/image) and then > > dismounted the shadowsets so they now have no disks in them.? > Then I tried to mount the new 9Gb disk into the shadow set bye2 > mount/clus/noass dsa9:/shad=$1$dka6: diskf diskf >  > The message I got wasm > G > no master member for virtual unit (or something very similar to that)   	 Probably:n@ %MOUNT-E-NOMASTER,  no master member found for this virtual unit $ help/mess NOMASTER  8  NOMASTER,  no master member found for this virtual unit  $   Facility:     MOUNT, Mount Utility  L   Explanation:  None of the specified shadow set members is suitable to be aK                 master unit for the shadow set. Accompanying error messageseM                 explain why each of the candidate members cannot be a master.I  J   User Action:  Correct the problems reported by the accompanying messagesH                 or locate a suitable master member; then retry the mount                 operation.  $ So we need the exact error messages.    + > This is a 3 node cluster running VMS7.1-2o  8 There is a licensing policy change between 6.2 and 7.x, A may be you have not got a registered pak for the new shadow unit.0      D > I can't find any detailed doc. describing that error message and I0 > don't really understand exactly what it means.F > I assumed that the system had somehow remembered that the shadow setI > previously had 4Gb disks and was refusing to mounta bigger disk into ite  C   I don't think so, if I remember correctly the filesystem does not H   contain any information the previous shadow-state after backed up with   /image qualifier.   G   There is a problem with the pathworks (version 5.0E?) and re-mountingRH   disk: the pathworks adds a NL lock to the disk-resources (F11B$'label'C   or smilar) so you can not remounted systemwide if pathworks still,E   running. The reasurce and lock system is clusterwide, so you cannottC   re-mount any disk when pathworks (5.0E?) still running any nodes.h  < > so I re-tried the mount command with a new DSA device name > - same error..A > Eventually I rebooted the cluster and mounted the disk privatlyeF > with/over-shad - OK but I was hoping it would go into the shadow set6 > after doing this and then dismounting it - it didn't@ > Then I reboted the cluster again and retried the mount command >  > Then it was OK  G   It confirms that a lock remains for the F11B$?'disklabel' kernel-modesG   system resource. (The mount uses this resource to synchronize the the2    mount algorithm cluster-wide)    >  > Mike Price     Adam MaulisP   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:44:57 GMT / From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk>s Subject: Re: shadowing problems ) Message-ID: <8shs5n$p3v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  E Thanks - pathworks may have been running but next time I think I willy2 boot one node as minimum and keep the others down.E The other system I need to do this to don't use Pathworks so maybe itB
 will be OkF I will also check the locks that you suggested and records the session on a PC so I can go back easierm   Thanks to those who respondedu   Mike --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy._   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:07:14 +0200 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> Q Subject: Re: SOCKETSHR stuff - was Re: Announcement: TCGMSG for OpenVMS/ALPHA; 64 ) Message-ID: <39EC5D12.C4F4C5E9@gtech.com>.   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:,+ > In article <39E5D107.F0417729@gtech.com>, A > Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:o= > > I think the DECC$RTL code uses the QIO interface, so that = > > it works with all TCP/IP packages that implements the QIO"; > > interface (which according to the poster you quoted aree7 > > all packages on VMS Alpha because CMU is VAX only).t > = > On VAX, the DEC C RTL uses LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to use thep; > name UCX$IPC_SHR and loads in an image and the address ofe9 > the desired routine.  It converts the internal C socketh5 > information to channels before calling the routinese; > contained in the UCX$IPC_SHR image. IIRC it also tends toi6 > pass some of the data in item lists and descriptors. > 4 > I strongly suspect that the same is true on ALPHA.  < That is also what I woul label "use QIO interface". That the= shreablae image are explicit loaded by th eprogram instead of 8 being loaded automatically by the image activator are an implementation detail.   Arne   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 12:43:09 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)Q Subject: Re: SOCKETSHR stuff - was Re: Announcement: TCGMSG for OpenVMS/ALPHA; 64l+ Message-ID: <ADerbywrpKyT@eisner.decus.org>t  ) In article <39EC5D12.C4F4C5E9@gtech.com>,gC Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.company> writes:o > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:", >> In article <39E5D107.F0417729@gtech.com>,B >> Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:> >> > I think the DECC$RTL code uses the QIO interface, so that> >> > it works with all TCP/IP packages that implements the QIO< >> > interface (which according to the poster you quoted are8 >> > all packages on VMS Alpha because CMU is VAX only). >> => >> On VAX, the DEC C RTL uses LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL to use the< >> name UCX$IPC_SHR and loads in an image and the address of: >> the desired routine.  It converts the internal C socket6 >> information to channels before calling the routines< >> contained in the UCX$IPC_SHR image. IIRC it also tends to7 >> pass some of the data in item lists and descriptors.w >> l5 >> I strongly suspect that the same is true on ALPHA.o > > > That is also what I woul label "use QIO interface". That the? > shreablae image are explicit loaded by th eprogram instead ofh: > being loaded automatically by the image activator are an > implementation detail.  A A significant one though.  If interface to the dynamically loadedoA shared image is known, then the socket requests from DEC C can be 2 modified to use any TCP/IP or other network stack.  B The DEC C RTL presents the information nicely packaged to make QIO: calls, but does not actually require BG: device emulation.  @ It does require that the TCP/IP stack support all of the options and CMU-IP does not.  C At ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/ there is a UCXSIM program that cantB be installed on a system using CMU-IP, and many binary executables6 that are linked only with UCX or TCPIP will run as is.: (As long as they do not call a TCP/IP function that is not> implemented on CMU-IP such as msgpeek or some of socket flags)  A But for programs that strictly use the DEC C socket calls, no BG:s emulation is required.    C That of course does not address other programs that directly accessc; the QIO functionality.  For that BG: emulation is required.m    D If anyone starts maintaining CMU-IP again, this should be a priority? for them.  It is currently the only TCP/IP program for VMS that > ususally requires either special coding, NETLIB, or SOCKETSHR.   -Johnc wb8tyw@qsl.network t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:41:25 -0700T+ From: "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov>w* Subject: SUMMARY: graphics device on 433au> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001017083654.00b09160@poptop.llnl.gov>   Thanks for the help.F I finally got my DEC phone support restored and I called them on this L issue. In general, no 2 slot graphics cards work for VMS.  In the case of a J 433au, 3d30 or 4d20 cards are supported and others may work, but have not  been tested.  3 I'm off to scour the warehouse of dead computers...-M                                                                              f
    rich frankfM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------  M At 10:43 AM 10/17/00 +1000, Robin Houston @ Air Warfare Systems Centre wrote:mM >Where would I find the list of compatible graphics devices? I also have much  >the same problem.L >I have a alphaserver 400 4/166 with an integrated S3 video, this system wasJ >used for NT but has been replaced by bigger better devices, would like toM >reuse it as a member of a vax cluster but really need it to have a graphicale >interface.tA >same symptoms as richard "No graphic device found" (OpenVMS 7.1)e >1> >Hoff Hoffman <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in message1 >news:8sg0or$gcm$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com...e > >sN > > In article <4.2.0.58.20001016151055.00ad5220@poptop.llnl.gov>, "richard n." >frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov> writes:K > > :I have installed VMS 7.2-1 on a DEC Personal Workstation 433 au.  When  >theH > > :system boots I see a message saying "No graphics device found." ...N > > :My notes from the time when this system was AlphaNT indicate the graphics@ > > :card is a PowerStorm of 4d40t, 4d50t, 4d51t, or 4d60t type. > >eB > >   None of these graphics controllers are supported by OpenVMS. > >tJ > >   PowerStorm 3D30, 4D20, 300, 350, and 4D10T (ELSA GLoria Synergy) areF > >   all relatively recent graphics controllers with OpenVMS support. > >t. > >  --------------------------- pure personal$ >opinion ---------------------------3 > >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS EngineeringT >hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  > >  >  >o   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 11:45:35 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) 9 Subject: Re: TCP/IP on a vax (3100m76) questions/problemsz, Message-ID: <8she4v$18bs$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  & In article <39EA1CC8.40062D2@vrx.net>,  dan <dan@vrx.net> writes: |> eL |> Ok, problem is the AUI trasnsceiver shows power, and even has a LINK with, |> the hub, and the hub link LED is also on. |> L  C That only means the transciever has power, not that it is selected.o  > |> I'll try this when I get home later tonight though, thanks!   Good idea!! :-)-   bill   -- -J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:17:11 +0010r% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auv+ Subject: Re: This list participants profilee5 Message-ID: <01JVGDSXRHLU005GMJ@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>r  " Paul/Roy/Tim (purely alphabetical)  J I had always thought that CS started about mid 70's as an accepted degree  subject.  O It was non-existent in my days of the early '60s.  I only self-taught myself a eN programming language (FORTRAN -- capitals intentional) after I moved into the K big wide world.  The programmers then were similar contemporaries from the t wonderful world o    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:21:40 +0010n% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au-+ Subject: Re: This list participants profile05 Message-ID: <01JVGDYHJBAA005GMJ@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>e  " Paul/Roy/Tim (purely alphabetical)  J I had always thought that CS started about mid 70's as an accepted degree  subject.  O It was non-existent in my days of the early '60s.  I only self-taught myself a iN programming language (FORTRAN -- capitals intentional) after I moved into the K big wide world.  The programmers then were similar contemporaries from the m wonderful world of maths.s  O (Sorry about the partial message a minute ago --- even VMS mail screws up if I  # put my fingers in the wrong place.)e   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiao   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,e; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:19:35 +0100-> From: Nicholas  Mark de Smith <Nicholas.MarkdeSmith@liffe.com>' Subject: This list participants profile M Message-ID: <FCB2387D053DD31180B200805FEA4C3F1AC7A1@ntprdex5.admin.liffe.com>t  @ > That concurs with my experience. My school had *no* computing 
 > facilities u8 > when I left in 1973. I suppose it just wasn't seen as  > necessary in those u> > days. Indeed some guff I've just dug out indicates they got  > their first ) > computing labs as late as 1986. Sheesh!     H FWIW, my school (Dulwich) had a PDP 11 running RSTS in '75, and possibly0 before (though its an *awful long time ago*...).   Nick nick@desmith.net   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:39:08 GMT  From: richard_maher@my-deja.comp7 Subject: Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMSF) Message-ID: <8shoac$lb6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u   Hi,a  0 In article <39eb51a0.16643231@swen.process.com>,0   goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) wrote:D > On Fri, 06 Oct 2000 16:36:58 GMT, richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote: >n > >g> > >If anyone is interested or is in a position to pass this on< > >to TCPWARE people then here are three differences between > >UCX and TCPWARE.t > >s4 > >1) TCPWARE requires OPER privilege to io$_setmode  > >tcp_probe_idle. UCX does not. > >s9 > Conversely, UCX requires OPER or SYSPRV to set the sendtC > and receive socket buffer sizes, but TCPware and MultiNet do not.p >bF   Touche. But surely it is reasonable for an unprivileged user to needA to reduce the connect timeout interval before needing to increasec resource usage?t  ! > I'll try to look into this one.  >W	   Thanks.o  ; > >2) TCPWARE accepts, but appears to ignore, socket optiono7 > >ucx$c_share. You get an error when you try to attachu > >another channel.h > >  > Yes, I believe that's true.e >mF   My software does not currently make use of this feature but it seemsG as though you don't imagine seeing this functionality in TCPWARE in theiC forseeable future? FYI I think the error was "Device not ready, notr mounted or unavailable"y  = > >3) io$_acpcontrol inetacp$c_trans is the dog's bollocks on-= > >ucx and will gleefully translate a binary internet addresse< > >into an ascii nodename! TCPWARE just does what it says in= > >the documentation (hard to blame it for that) that is , iti > >returns ascii 1.2.3.4.s > >fC > This was fixed in TCPware V5.4-3.  You're right: TCPware did whatt: > the docs described.  Now it works the same way UCX does. > 
   Great news!    > Hunter > ------; > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/n< > goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/ >   F   Please let me take the opportunity to pass on a well done and thanksB to anyone who worked on your _BG: driver! The discrepencies that IE identified are minor (mainly cosmetic) and I'd like to point out that E 99% of my, in all modesty fairly complex, code performed consistantly'C across UCX and TCPWARE. The fact that the same executables will run > unaltered/linked regardless of TCP/IP vendor/implementation is remarkable! Thanks again.u   Regards Richard Maher.  E PS. Any gotchas with muticasting? It is my understanding that TCPWAREf> has had this functionality for years although it's new to UCX.  C PPS. Is the _BG: driver the interface of choice for your customers?tF They're using your _inet: driver where I am at the moment and it looks nasty.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:47:56 +0200y= From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>u Subject: Re: VMS and UNIXt) Message-ID: <39EC588C.447EBD09@gtech.com>e   Beg Comp User wrote:Q > First of all, thank you for your helpful reply.  How useful will knowing VMS beeA > later on compared to knowing UNIX?  (like in the job market...)b  F As far as I know, then demand > supply for VMS expertise. And I expect it to be< so for many years to come (no matter what happend with VMS).   Arne   ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:12:00 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>! Subject: Re: VMS in Network WorldRJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010170907260.21101-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  , On Thu, 12 Oct 2000, Terry C. Shannon wrote: [...]l6 +"sseng" <sseng@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message [...]G +> I noticed at the bottom of that article there is a survey asking fort +>readers opinions. L +> Maybe a few more "More articles on this topic" responses  from our fellow +> VMS fans wouldn't hurt. +>J +Good on ya mate. A few hundred responses from VMS users ("I use VMS and I +vote!") wouldn't hurt.   1  Hm... But here nor few hundreth, nor few tens...EA  Looks like InfoVAX readers has marketing not better than DigitalTD (has at end)... (Yes, Digital - we know, that CQ is little better !)    Regards - Gotfryd   -- iE =====================================================================bF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------   Date: 15 Oct 2000 22:41:42 EST1 From: byer@mail.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer)  Subject: Re: VMS ISP?d1 Message-ID: <GHcdkJscV9Wk@cartman.ourservers.net>c   >r@ > Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local) > B > If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at a; > disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be ah0 > disadvantage, but are there technical reasons? >c  K I used to run an all OpenVMS ISP.  All services were OpeNVMS and other than 9 hardware and connection problems, we never had a problem.m  N The ISP was sold and they moved to an NT platform which took them three monthsL to configure properly and during this three month time they were off net and customers went elsewhere.i  J So in a nutshell, OpenVMS works great for an ISP where you need consistant/ performance as our customers did appreciate it.   k -- u  @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:30:29 GMTz" From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com>  Subject: VMS Software Mirroring?) Message-ID: <8shur5$rks$1@nnrp1.deja.com>-  0 I'm stepping up again to use my one for today...  F Does OpenVMS support software mirrored drives? I've read a fair amount@ about Shadowing, but it always seems to acompany something about@ clusters. Our Alpha (singular) has 2 internal 4gig drives and anE external RAID 5 array. I was considering mirroring the 4gig drives tohB each other, since one has sat idle since the system was delivered.
 Any thoughts?t   Thanks,t John   --- *********************************************m( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:03:48 +0200a9 From: mauf@uhu.unizar.es (Miguel Angel Uson Finkenzeller)- Subject: VMS to VMS X-sessione* Message-ID: <00101719034809@uhu.unizar.es>   Hi all!c  O I have been succesful in creating a remote X-session from a W95 machine (Heaven N help me!) to my Alpha 255 (VMS 7.1 no patches, Digital TCP/IP Services for VMS' Alpha V4.1, Motif 1.2-4), using Exceed.g  O I am now failing to connect from the Alpha 255 to another AlphaVMS computer, as K a remote X-session (either Telnet or Decnet), and I get the following error  message:   ************. No subkeyword specified. Default FULL selected0 quest: cannot connect to the X server at _WSA7:.D Please check that your DISPLAY environment variable is correctly setT (e.g. setenv DISPLAY :0.0 on Unix (csh) or SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=nodename on VMS).L You may also need to use the command 'xhost' (Unix) or the 'security' window9 (VMS) to gain display permission from the window manager.a ************  D (Quest is a programme of the Cambridge Structural Database package).    $ From the command line I first issue:  : $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=xxx.xxx.xx.xx  ! which works fine in the W95 case.s    V Attempts to include the remote node in the 'security' window of the *style manager* of  Motif lead to no better results.   What am I missing?    % Thank you in advance for any solution.  	 M.A. Usonh   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:58:33 +0100 0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> Subject: VMS Tutorials, Message-ID: <39EC14B9.74BE7ECF@jpmorgan.com>  H Does anyone have DCL tutorials ? Or can I be pointed to some. Or is it a case of RTFM.................l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 10:44:38 +0100a0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> Subject: Re: VMS Tutorials, Message-ID: <39EC1F86.EA2F5CE6@jpmorgan.com>  E Good lead , Writing Real Programs in DCL is the 1st book recommended.e  I I'm also interested in any good books on Basic ( i.e the version supplied> with VMS ).,  I I'm probably getting a bit specialist here but a book on running embedded 6 SQL ( Ingres ) using Basic on VMS. Well you can always hope.....................r   Robert Taylor wrote:  J > Does anyone have DCL tutorials ? Or can I be pointed to some. Or is it a > case of RTFM.................p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:29:40 +0200u* From: P ten Bruggencate <whatever@hnv.com> Subject: Re: VMS Tutorials' Message-ID: <39EC5444.FBD9F3D8@hnv.com>e   RTFM, especialy: help dcl_tips 		 help lexicals  
 De ballen,   Patrick.   Robert Taylor wrote: > J > Does anyone have DCL tutorials ? Or can I be pointed to some. Or is it a > case of RTFM.................    ------------------------------  , Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:47:22 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl> Subject: Re: VMS V7.2-1 J Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010171238030.21101-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  $ On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, anpa2000 wrote:  A +Im having problems making a fibre connected disk visible to VMS.p +l6 +Have setup a device on an HSG80 with a device id of 1 +s; +Have setup the wwidmgr stuff at the chevron prompt and can   +see the device with a show dev. +P< +When I boot the VMS installtion CDROM, VMS is unable to see&                  *********************  <  I can't say for sure (*probably* may answer next week), but- isn't the driver set on 7.2-1 not complete ??m;  Will suspect, that 7.2-1 requires the -fibrechan- update !e9  Can anyone confirm, that 7.2-1 "is enought" or a 7.2-1H1o; is required (or intermediate instalation on non-HSG disk) ?t@  Has you the required PGA & FGE drivers in SYS$LOADABLE_IMAGES ?I "Compaq recommends that all OpenVMS Fibre Channel sites run OpenVMS Alphae@ Version 7.2-1 with the latest OpenVMS Fibre Channel update kit."C (from http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/fibre/ mentioned here).   9 +P.S have installed all patches for Fibre from the Compaq: +    website    Wait a moment.u6  You for sure have installed the patches *on CD-ROM* ?* (ok, can imagine, no problem, but... -;)!)    Regards - Gotfryd   -- oE =====================================================================aF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME,. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 09:32:45 -0400-  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comY Subject: VMS712_IPC V1.0 has problems (Was: Anybody else on V7.1-2 havingproblems after io4 Message-ID: <C225697B.0049BABC.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  = >Recently Installed VMS712_SYS-V0100 and VMS712_IPC-V0100 andcG >one of my applications is now having problems with mailboxes and qiowsd+ >and, I think, interprocess communications.h  A I have determined that the problem is in the IPC$SERVICES.EXE news2 image and not the SYS patch (26 new images/stb's).   The actual message ise% %SYSTEM-F-IVCHAN, invalid I/O channeli0 and the product affected (infected?) is DEC/EDI.  # The support folk are investigating.n   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.581 ************************