1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 18 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 582       Contents: Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards ) Re: 40/80GB density selection on DLT8000?  Annonymous LANCPB Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?< Re: Bug in UCX 5.0A telnet server: infinite IAC negotiations7 Re: C error message, what the heck is it talking about? " Re: Copying Directories via DecNet3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... & Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line4 Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS ' Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS 4 Re: How to determine the best cluster/partition size Re: HSC 50 Question : Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?= Re: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web  LA-23 on VAXstation?+ Re: LEGATO and TCPWARE combination problem? + Re: LEGATO and TCPWARE combination problem? / Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 6520 3 Re: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 6520 3 Re: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 6520 , Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11 Re: Memory allocation problem  Re: Memory allocation problem  Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.2  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes * Re: Multinet FTP client and UCX FTP server- Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done - Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done 0 Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations0 Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations0 Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations$ OT: Deja Puts Sale Up For Discussion( Re: OT: Deja Puts Sale Up For Discussion ping a SLIP address???$ Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?! Re: read logicals on another node ! Re: read logicals on another node ! Re: read logicals on another node 3 Re: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape)  S/A set and Pro380 console Re: S/A set and Pro380 console Re: S/A set and Pro380 console Re: S/A set and Pro380 console" Re: Second ethernet for uVAX3180 ? Secure FTP recommendations& Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logo simple cluster question 0 Skiddily.com - Get paid for having a start page!! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist  Re: SYS$ASCUTC. Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMS. Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMS VBN Error in Indexed File  Re: VMS ISP? Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS to VMS X-session Re: VMS Tutorials & VS3100 ethernet self test failure code* Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code* Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code* Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:49:57 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>( Subject: Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards5 Message-ID: <F59H5.968$_7.264702@typhoon.aracnet.com>   7 Michael T. Davis <DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote: F > 	Are there TurboChannel video cards available that would provide forQ > anything better than 256 colors at 1280x1024?  In particular, I'd be interested 3 > in 24-bit or 32-bit color at the same resolution.   G Just so happens I've been working on a project that involves collecting H information such as this for a Hobbyist FAQ.  Here is the info I've got,K unfortuantly I don't know what the current state of support for these cards , is (some have been dropped by Tru64 I know).  :    PMAGD-AA     ZLX-E1, 8-Plane 2D/3D, 1280x1024, 72Hz,   0                 2 Mpixels graphics memory         8    PMAGD-BA     ZLX-E2, 24-Plane 2D/3D, 1280x1024, 72Hz,)                 2 Mpixels graphics memory      @    PMAGD-CA     ZLX-E3, 24-Plane 2D/3D, 24-bit Z-Buffer,        :                 1280x1024, 72Hz, 4 Mpixels graphics memory     ?    PMAGC-AA     ZLX-M1, 24-Plane 3D, Double buffered, Z-Buffer, @                 1 rendering processor, 4 Mpixels graphics memory  5    PMAGC-BA     ZLX-M2, 24-Plane 3D, 24-bit Z-Buffer, ;                 1280x1024, 72Hz, 8 Mpixels graphics memory, 6                 2 rendering processor, double buffered  F    PMAGC-DA     ZLX-L1, 24-Plane 3D, 24-bit image, 24-bit Z buffering,E                 24-bit double buffer, 4-Mpixels total graphics memory   F    PMAGC-EA     ZLX-L2, 24-Plane 3D, 24-bit image, 24-bit Z buffering,=                 24-bit double buffer, 4-Mpixels accumulation  :                 buffering, 8-Mpixels total graphics memory  L There are also apparnetly the following cards which I have basically no info on.       PMAGB-BA     HX (aka SFB)      PMAG-D/PGX   (Not Supported)      			Zane    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 23:35:40 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)2 Subject: Re: 40/80GB density selection on DLT8000?( Message-ID: <39ecc62c@news.kapsch.co.at>  R In article <G1o9Jn.E6y@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:1 >William S. LaCounte <vmsmanager@ups.edu> writes: 5 >> I assume you tried $ init/media_format=compaction. 3 >> This works great on TZ88's (20/40) w/ VMS 7.2-1.  > I >  Doh! That works fine, thanks. I was worried that it wouldn't reset the K >density to 40/80 if the tape was previously initialized at a lower density  >but it seems to work fine.   > btw: Have you seen the DEC-AXPVMS-VMS721_DRIVER-V0100--4.PCSI B which fixes a problem with density select (SYS$TUDRIVER.EXE), too.   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:24:56 -0500 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>  Subject: Annonymous LANCP O Message-ID: <B54DD739321B098C.47E83D2828D1E91B.F09D53813AEDFB9F@lp.airnews.net>   = I recently set up my first system using LANCP (VAX/VMS V7.1).   C Reading the documentation, I got the impression that LANCP could be D configured to automagically fulfill download requests for nodes thatE weren't in the LANCP database as long as the requested images were in ! LAN$DLL and the interface was set   8 	MCR LACNP Set Device <device>/MOPDLL=NOKNOWNCLIENTSONLY  F In particular, I want it to automagically download DECservers (200 and 700).   H I wasn't able to get this to work.  I had to explicitly add the nodes toH the LANCP database.  Once this was done, they download without problems.  E Can LANCP be configured to serve "anonymous" requests?  If so, how do 
 you do it?   Thanx!  G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- $ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com     Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:20:49 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? . Message-ID: <8sic61$s7d$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  = "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote in message 1 news:200010151845_MC2-B701-94C2@compuserve.com... J         According to the comments in SYLOGICALS.COM, the OPERATOR.LOG file; is not created for workstations in a cluster.  Try defining  OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE as "TRUE".    Thanks for helping ...  5 1. in fact the machine is a DS10 with a graphic card, .    so it should not be considered as a station  4 2. I've just define the logical and restarted opcom,(    but no operator.log has been created.  
 Jean-Francois    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:09:18 -0500 - From: Bruce Vinson <r4887c@email.sps.mot.com> K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? 1 Message-ID: <39ECBFFE.F6811EA7@email.sps.mot.com>   H We have rolled back by copying the replaced files from a save we made ofG the system disk prior to installing the ECo. This is the recommendation  from Compaq Gold support.    Bruce Vinson Motorola MOS11 - Austin    Peter Weaver wrote:  > ' > This is what we received from Compaq;  >  > [...H > This newer version introduced a problem with OPCOM where it would hangE > and remain in LEF state.  An attempt to delete the process with the G > STOP/ID command puts OPCOM in a delete-pending state. The only way to & > clear this problem is with a reboot. > F > We are recommending that customers roll the kit back.  The down sideF > to the remove of this kit is that it addressed an ACCVIO bugcheck; a? > crash is unscheduled whereas with a hang you can schedule the E > shutdown.  Please note that the remove of VMS721_SYS-V0600 does not . > imply that you will see the ACCVIO bugcheck. > ...] > G > I am confused since they are saying that the problems caused by SYS 5 G > is worst than the problems caused by SYS 6, but they recommend a roll G > back. Based on Terry's comments I'm happy we rolled back our systems.  > G > Does anyone know how to use the PRODUCT command to add a comment that # > we manually rolled back this kit?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:59:40 GMT 4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? : Message-ID: <gu7H5.20815$76.478190@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>  J Although we did not see any crashes, we rolled the kit back today as well,H under duress I might add, knocking 1500 users off our production clusterK during prime time.  The kit was installed early Saturday morning and things J started to go really wonky last night (Monday) with backups and OPCOM.  InH particular, all backups hanging in RWCSV (CLUSTER_SERVER wedged in LEF),L SHOW USERS busting across the cluster, and various OWT (other weird things).J Things got progressively worse and we declared that we were landing on theI nearest runway without further notice.  Fortunately, it only cost us a 37 I minute outage, however, that was 37 minutes more than it should have been I and it was pretty painful during that period from a sysadmin perspective. J We would have been spared this outage if the Compaq OpenVMS patch list hadH been functioning properly - not everybody on the list gets the alerts itL seems and it's a known problem that Compaq has been working on for some time to rectify.  Sigh.    8 "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> wrote in message) news:suooem1d907cfa@corp.supernews.com... ' > This is what we received from Compaq;  >  > [...H > This newer version introduced a problem with OPCOM where it would hangE > and remain in LEF state.  An attempt to delete the process with the G > STOP/ID command puts OPCOM in a delete-pending state. The only way to & > clear this problem is with a reboot. > F > We are recommending that customers roll the kit back.  The down sideF > to the remove of this kit is that it addressed an ACCVIO bugcheck; a? > crash is unscheduled whereas with a hang you can schedule the E > shutdown.  Please note that the remove of VMS721_SYS-V0600 does not . > imply that you will see the ACCVIO bugcheck. > ...] > G > I am confused since they are saying that the problems caused by SYS 5 G > is worst than the problems caused by SYS 6, but they recommend a roll G > back. Based on Terry's comments I'm happy we rolled back our systems.  > G > Does anyone know how to use the PRODUCT command to add a comment that # > we manually rolled back this kit?  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:42:24 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? / Message-ID: <1001017223408.24613B@Ives.egh.com>   ( On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Peter Weaver wrote:  ' > This is what we received from Compaq;  >  > [...H > This newer version introduced a problem with OPCOM where it would hangE > and remain in LEF state.  An attempt to delete the process with the G > STOP/ID command puts OPCOM in a delete-pending state. The only way to & > clear this problem is with a reboot. > F > We are recommending that customers roll the kit back.  The down sideF > to the remove of this kit is that it addressed an ACCVIO bugcheck; a? > crash is unscheduled whereas with a hang you can schedule the E > shutdown.  Please note that the remove of VMS721_SYS-V0600 does not . > imply that you will see the ACCVIO bugcheck. > ...] > G > I am confused since they are saying that the problems caused by SYS 5 G > is worst than the problems caused by SYS 6, but they recommend a roll G > back. Based on Terry's comments I'm happy we rolled back our systems.   F Nope, they didn't say that.  They said SYS 6 fixed an ACCVIO bugcheck,C but they don't say the ACCVIO bugcheck was caused by SYS 5.  It may B well have been there all along, but was rare enough that it wasn't7 reported/diagnose/fixed until after SYS 5 was released.   I The tradeoff for rolling back this ECO is you trade a frequently-occuring B OPCOM problem that is non-fatal to the system for a rare but fatal ACCVIO.     G > Does anyone know how to use the PRODUCT command to add a comment that # > we manually rolled back this kit?  >  >  >    --   John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 20:55:50 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)E Subject: Re: Bug in UCX 5.0A telnet server: infinite IAC negotiations ( Message-ID: <39eca0b6@news.kapsch.co.at>  u In article <8qvqke$i81s$1@nntp6.u.washington.edu>, "Russell E. Owen" <owen@astroNOJNK.washington.edu.invalid> writes: F >Has anybody else seen this? We have it on three DEC 3000-300L Alphas ? >running a clean installation of VMS 7.2-1 with the associated  * >product-formerly-called UCX version 5.0A.  * I've only seen this on V5.0, not on V5.0A.J The OpenVMS V7.2-1 CD contains DEC-xxxVMS-TCPIP-V0500-10-1.PCSI which doesL still have this problem (though the directory is erroneously called 5.0A !!)G Seems, Q made two different TCPIP V5.0 (-9- and -10-) or others may say - two different V5.0A (-10- and -11-) public...   I V5.0A is DEC-AXPVMS-TCPIP-V0500-11-1.PCSI and there the problem is fixed. 7 You can find this kit on the ConDist or by a friend ;-)   L Note: Now (after over a year - TCPIP V5.0-11 = V5.0A is dated 7-JUL-1999 !!)L there is an ECO for TCPIP. Its called DEC-xxxVMS-TCPIP_ECO-V0500-111-4.PCSI.I You can find it on Q's servers (eg. ftp.service.digital.com) and you will 0 want to install it (and also beg for more ;-)...  J Note: For installing TCPIP V5.0A ECO1 on OpenVMS VAX, you need an PCSI ECO= 	still not officially released (1-Nov-2000 is target date) !!    HIH    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:02:54 -0400 $ From: Ed Vogel <ed.vogel@compaq.com>@ Subject: Re: C error message, what the heck is it talking about?* Message-ID: <39ECBE7E.84F9CF9D@compaq.com>   "David P. Murphy" wrote:  C > Solution?  "Don't do that."  The header bundled with the compiler ' > should have been written differently,   >     We will try to correct the stdio.h header file in a future;      release so that this message will no longer be output.   :      Thanks (to David Mathog) for finding this problem and4      to David Murhpy for explaining what's going on.  '                                Ed Vogel 3                                Compaq C Engineering    ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 22:00:23 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)+ Subject: Re: Copying Directories via DecNet ) Message-ID: <8sii5n$fde$1@hecate.umd.edu>   k In article <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7681C2@DENXCH>, Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> writes:  [snip]3 >But in the "good old days" of DECnet, I'd just do:n >d2 >  $ BACKUP srcnode::dev:[dir]foo.bck /save [*...] >?G >to haul-&-replicate a directory tree over to the target node.  Maybe a I >subtle point, but making the saveset on the *source* node didn't seem tog= >have the extent/header/size problem previously pointed out,    L Actually, I'm the one who posted about the extent/header/size problem, and IJ observed it while making a saveset on the *source* system, as you suggest.* So, yes, the problem occurs there as well.   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 15:42:30 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)l< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <Pekw5Wa55i20@eisner.decus.org>   g In article <EFsqvJbXOFif@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:mL >> We ran a very similar special Unix program at the San Diego Symposium, weN >> did special advertising to the Unix community, Compaq did special adverting7 >> to the Unix community, and we still had low turnout.X > H > The session I attended (a BOF, as it happened) involved Andy GoldsteinE > (and some VMS Ambassadors) making comparisons with two Tru64 Compaq E > employees.  Rochelle Lauer indicated she learned things.  Even Andye( > Goldstein indicated he learned things. > F > It was clear from this discussion that it had never happened before,G > even though these people work for the same company.  I do not see howsG > any of these speakers or audience would have run from the name DECUS.  > G > Now I will admit that this fell into that great publicity void called?F > BOFs, but if similar content was presented at San Diego, it was even > more deeply buried.   G I don't know about San Diego, but in LA 2 weeks ago there was a sessionoI comparing VMS cluster to Tru64 Cluster by Keith Parris. Unfortunately, it J was at the same time as the John Loethar & Terry Shannon Business CriticalJ Cluster presentation. I'll have to wait for the session notes CD. I assumeK there will be a session notes CD, as I don't recall ever seeing anything inp the materials about one.  + Will there be a CETS-2000 session notes CD?$  D > Name changes only hurt.  Note the poster who threw his ballot away' > since the envelope did not say DECUS.   L I came close. My first thought when I saw the envelope last Friday was "moreH junk mail". My second thought at seeing the return address was "oh $h!t,K some one else is using the new name already". My third thought upon readingrL it and finding that it was the same set of bylaws was another "oh $h!t" here we go again.  I Something this important should have had some notice on the envelope likeiL "Pass these buylaws or DECus/encompASS" is history or some other jack booted threat.e  J I object to the way this whole mess was handled. I violently object to theL BoD just sending the same damn thing back out again after it didn't pass theH first time. I can't think of a more arrogant reaction. Let's just ram it/ down their throats until they swallow the shit.t   No thanks. Not me.   Bob    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:23:44 +0100e+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>o/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up linef' Message-ID: <39ECC360.4DC07E35@iee.org>1  ! steven.reece@quintiles.com wrote:rK > with DECnet Phase IV on it.  Phase V is obviously a different issue sincen > DECnet starts earlier.   Only if you let it ....t   Antoniom     -- h   ---------------y- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgt   ------------------------------  ! Date: Tue, 17 Oct 00 17:00:04 GMT( From: heimann@ecs.umass.edu6/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line3, Message-ID: <8sj07c$re1$2@odo.ecs.umass.edu>  % In Article <39E969A3.965E80AE@cli.de> * Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> writes: >Richard Tomkins schrieb:  >> iI >> You will not get 56k, you'll be lucky if you get near 36k, 56k is only K >> feasible if half the circuit is digital. If you need higher speeds, thenPK >> you'd best see the telephone company. I can think of a nice way of doing L >> this using cable modems for higher speed and I can also think of adding aO >> small MicroVAX 3100 at your rmeote site to do some offline spooled printing.  >> yG >You don't have ISDN (2x64) over there ? It's standard all over Europe.  >What about the U.S. ?  G ISDN is available in the US, it just seems that the phone companies try-H to do their best to not sell it to you.  Depending on where you are, you; can get either 2x56 or 2x64 ISDN lines, but not everywhere.    Joe Heimannl   heimann@ecs.umass.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:05:28 -0500e) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>l/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line / Message-ID: <suq4nl1dldpo10@corp.supernews.com>    <heimann@ecs.umass.edu> wrote 1 in message news:8sj07c$re1$2@odo.ecs.umass.edu...s' > In Article <39E969A3.965E80AE@cli.de>4, > Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> writes: >>I > >You don't have ISDN (2x64) over there ? It's standard all over Europe.r > >What about the U.S. ? >>I > ISDN is available in the US, it just seems that the phone companies tryoJ > to do their best to not sell it to you.  Depending on where you are, you= > can get either 2x56 or 2x64 ISDN lines, but not everywhere.w  I Taking advantage of the phone companies handling of ISDN, the cable modemsH companies in the U.S. have moved in and and effectively heavily undercut' them in price for far higher bandwidth.-  K Now DSL is starting to move in to give the Cable Companies some much neededo competition.  4 Even the local power utility wants to become an ISP.  G There are still areas that do not even have good dialup access with outH paying long distance charges.l   -Johna wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 04:19:28 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)1/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up linec' Message-ID: <8sj8cg$h9i$1@joe.rice.edu>n  ( John E. Malmberg (wb8tyw@qsl.net) wrote: :86 : Even the local power utility wants to become an ISP. :y  ? There was an article in "LAN Magazine" 4-5 years ago that said  > the electric utilities could be the "dark horse" in providing @ the "last mile" to homes and businesses, since they already own  the right-of-way.d  F The article said that many utilities already have dark fiber in place,E and that they could provide power management of major appliances such E as airconditioners to forestall building new power generation plants.d# IIRC, the cost would be ~$800/home.   H In Houston, Texas, the top ISP for businesses, Insync.Net, was acquired ' by Reliant Energy Communications. From:m  2    http://www.insync.net/aboutus/press_reliant.cfmD    RELIANT ENERGY COMMUNICATIONS TO ACQUIRE INSYNC INTERNET SERVICES  H   '"Reliant Energy is intent on growing not just through its traditionalJ     energy services' businesses, but through related, non-energy offeringsE     - such as telecommunications and Internet services - which can bee@     bundled to provide a single-source vendor for our commercialE     customers," said Robert W. Harvey, Reliant Energy vice chairman.'h    4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:37:15 GMTo7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)p/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line & Message-ID: <G2M2A3.4rx@world.std.com>  9 moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes:   J >I'll check again the system at work tomorrow, but ones I remember that doK >are LAT, MOP, the SYSID/remote console protocol (the last 2 are by LANCP),aH >LAST, NI-SCS, and a couple others I don't remember offhand.  DECnet andJ >UCX do not have the change address attribute.  This means that UCX has toC >be started after DECnet but the others can be started at any time.n   In case anyone cares ...  9 Protocols with the "can change address" attribute ON are:    SCA (NI clustering)g2 DNAME (twice, Ethernet protocol and 802E protocol) DTIMEl PATHWRKy AMDS LAST LATa   Ones that don't are: DECNETV  DECNET (IV)s IP ARP (part of TCPIP)  86-DD (also part of TCPIP) BIOS   -Mikea   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:47:40 GMTr From: r.m@mailandnews.comt= Subject: Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?t- Message-ID: <39ec8f0c.8830918@news-2.csn.net>g  , On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:43:14 -0400, JF Mezei% <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:m   >Phillip Helbig wrote: >> iF >> What's the easiest way to do this which is reasonably efficient andE >> elegant (i.e. not writing the output of dir/gra/siz to a file then ! >> reading it in and parsing it)?   - Never got the above here so I'll respond heres  < My solution involves pipes and a separate command procedure.   $ read sys$pipe line! $ line = f$element(2, " ", line )  $ assign/job 'line total  1 call it what you like then use the following pipec  - pipe dir/total | search sys$input file | @tee   D where tee is what I called the command procedure, the logical TOTAL:B will contain either the number of files or "FILES" if there are no files in the directory.y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:33:10 -0400l% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>-0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS$ Message-ID: <39ec9ae7$1@news.si.com>  9 >Most OpenVMS/VAX customers want "stay put" not progress.g  K Oh, have you asked most OpenVMS VAX users?  You must have, in order to makew this statement.o --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comd= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:00:49 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e0 Subject: Re: Getting Compaq to advertise OpenVMS, Message-ID: <39ECA1DF.969411E8@videotron.ca>  ; > >Most OpenVMS/VAX customers want "stay put" not progress.a  D While the above has some truth to it, it isn't as simple for Compaq.  I 1- If Compaq advertises that VMS-VAX is now on "maintenance" with no morecM updates, except to maintain clusterability with Alphas running the latest andhI greatest, then you may find a lot of customers simply dropping or greatlyt5 reducing how much money they send Compaq every month.o  I 2-If you introduce new features to VAX-VMS, you raise the odds that thosesH "stay put" customers might start to use these features (because they areJ "built-in"). And the more they use their VMS system, the better it is. TheM more they use it, the more the chances that they will outgrow and need bettern$ VMS performance, and hence go Alpha.  J If you stop developpemnt on VMS, you essentially finalise the faith of allI those "stay put" customers who will see VMS as a dead duck and migrate too other platforms. a  N Yes, there si a certain percentage of customers who perhaps need a gentle kickN to get them to migrate to Alpha, and some sort of announcement that VAX-VMS is! being slowly retired would do it.e  N But what about that Irish Railway ? (I'd love to see how a SHOW SYSTEM display on that machine would work).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:34:34 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>r= Subject: Re: How to determine the best cluster/partition sizek( Message-ID: <39ECA9C3.2ADB20E7@ohio.edu>  K Hoff referred to this as a calculus problem, but then revealed only half ofhI it.  The wastage is the empty space at the end of each file that isn't an:H integer number of clusters PLUS the space used for the bitmap file.  YouA want that total to be a minimum.  The bitmap file size formula is0I well-defined.  The empty space formula depends on how much you know about:I the file size spectrum.  Even then, it isn't really calculus, because thei cluster size is an integer.O  #                                 RDPi     nclews@csc.com wrote:   4 > Ade is the bloke who sits a medium sized internals4 > manual throw away from my desk. (i.e. File Systems, > Internals, but not 5.2 Internals and D.S.) >c> > He's a bit of a programmer on the quiet, when he's the time,< > and I told him about a program I used some years back that > did exactly this.h >l; > It was called AbilityVSM from Avetech, but only worked toe9 > VMS 5.5-2 (Apparently the developer and the company hadm9 > a disagreement, and the developer took his source code) ) > (AbilityVSM and not VMS, it's correct).p >lC > The company re-wrote it, but it never had the same functionality.u >h; > Anyway, it was as fast as DFU, and combined DFU with somea@ > rather nifty process tools, open files read/write counts, etc. > > > I've a feeling what the code did was read the INDEXF.SYS andK > in the 'cluster size' analysis bit, it totalled up file sizes the popularuB > cluster sizes and gave a % 'wastage' value (maybe it was blocks,6 > memory turning from Non Volatile to Normally Vague). >sB > I think Hoff's average approximation would work quite well up toG > a point, but when you're talking cluster sizes of 35 and the majoritywJ > of files are less than 10 blocks, there are very few files comparatively > at or above the cluster size.- > E > As Ade says, we're wanting to figure out an efficient cluster size,-; > and probably use bound volumes. The general enquiry is if0D > there is a tool out there that will do it, or should we write one? >AC > I guess we could use DFU to total up file sizes in certain rangess? > vs. total number of files and use Hoff's rule to approximate.u >"B > We and the customer knows that 7.2 is the answer, but they can't > go there yet.  >n > Regards, Nic Clews > -D > nclews at csc dot comn   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:49:27 -0400   From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: HSC 50 Question6 Message-ID: <1001017214033.24613A-100000@Ives.egh.com>  ) On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Terry Kennedy wrote:t  + > Volker Kerkhoff <kerkhoff@gmx.de> writes:oI > > Ve've a HSC50 Array controller which is still in use here. Last week,    [...]a  I >   Another option is a used HSC70. Your existing disk/tape channel cardsiK > should work in the HSC70, it's somewhat faster, and it uses RX33's (5.25"t > floppies) as load media. > 6 >         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com7 >         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAd  F Other advantages of the HSC70 - supports 8 channel cards instead of 6,C boots in about 1 minute instead of 5, uses less power (or at least,g@ you don't feel nearly the blast of hot air standing behind one.)  B IIRC, the HSC50 used 3-phase 240 Volts (at least in the US), whileB the HSC70/90/etc. uses single-phase 120 Volts (with a big 25 or 30@ Amp plug.)  I don't know if they really used less power or if it? just seemed that way.  A lot of the parts were either common orn> very similar (Channel cards were exactly the same.)  Maybe the= big power supply in the HSC50 was overkill and was being usedu( inefficiently and wasting lots of power?  F Does anyone know if this is true in general (that an over-sized power  supply will waste electricity?)    -- i John Santosl Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:55:30 GMTt1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>oC Subject: Re: Invisible MSCP-served disks in VAX-Alpha V7.2 cluster?-2 Message-ID: <39ECF68B.1FB3FBB0@clarityconnect.com>  F I think that you would be surprised at the amount of cable length thatG is consumed by the internal workings of SCSI adapters in many devices. tF For a number of configurations that I have seen in the past, a 1 meter8 cable may indeed be all that you have to use externally.   sms@antinode.org wrote:s > 3 > From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>*L > > WAG - Check to see if the CONFIGURE process is running, if it isn't thenJ > > @SYS$SYSTEM:STARTUP CONFIG to get it started and see if the disks thenJ > > show up.  Also go into SDA and do a SHOW CONN and see if the Number ofJ > > Free CDTs > 1, if it is not then increase SCSCONNCNT by 40 and reboot. > E >    Sadly, I crashed the thing while fooling with a CD-RW drive, nowoI > disconnected, and upon reboot it was healthier, so further work on thisa2 > topic will have to wait for another opportunity. > J >    This thing appears to have the fussiest SCSI bus of any machine in myH > (limited) experience.  I have an internal CD-ROM drive and disk drive,I > and an external EXB-8500 tape drive.  The visible cable length is about5C > a meter, and if I add anything else, the thing goes nuts (errors,r > resets, hangs, crashes). >  >    Thanks for trying.r > J > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > E >    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)aE >    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) I >    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) ; >    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)C   --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:50:38 -0700r! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comaF Subject: Re: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the webD Message-ID: <OFA5B2B7F1.6E767645-ON8825697C.0004741E@foundation.com>  F I download, print, copy and distribute it around the office here. JustH doing my little bit to maintain or expand mindshare for VMS in my littleI corner of the world. Sue: Thanks for giving me some excellent ammunition.    Shaneh          H "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>@sysadm.physics.uiowa.edu (News( Administrator) on 10/17/2000 07:56:51 AM  < Sent by:  news@sysadm.physics.uiowa.edu (News Administrator)     To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coml cc:e  G Subject:  Re: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the webo    > > > From: Sue Skonetski [mailto:susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam]* > > Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 8:30 AM > > To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comwF > > Subject: July-Sept (fall) Issue of OpenVMS Times is now on the web > >$ > > 9 > > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvmstimes/index.htmlg > >o > > Your comments welcome. > >t > > Warm Regards,f > >w > > Sue Skonetskih
 > > editor  B      Did the fall issue get e-mailed to the subscribers?  I pickedE it up, but I'm subscribed (and have gotten it via e-mail in the past)o* but have not gotten this last issue yet...   Rick --H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479i   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 02:07:07 GMT- From: ba600@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Mike Kenzie)e Subject: LA-23 on VAXstation?h/ Message-ID: <8sj0kb$5q1$1@freenet9.carleton.ca>i  9 Can a LA-23 be used as a terminal on a VAXstation II/GPX.   F I have been unable to locate a replacement for the original in Ottawa.  $ Will it use a standard serial cable?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:44:37 GMTn- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) 4 Subject: Re: LEGATO and TCPWARE combination problem?0 Message-ID: <39ec9dc9.17305724@swen.process.com>  B On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:50:03 +0000, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:  ( >LEGATO and TCPWARE combination problem? > P >We use (not my choice - too many bugs and too many problems) LEGATO for our VMSK >backups. One of the outstanding issues is that quite frequently the clientiL >processes (ie those on the VMS host) are 'killed' whilst backups are takingG >place (SYSTEM-F-FORCEDEXIT I think), so I wonder if there is a default P >inactivity timeout value for TCPWare, and if so, what is it and how do I changeQ >it? Are there any logicals associated with it I can set? The documentation seemseO >sadly lacking in this area, so it may be one of these undocumented logicals we  >keep coming across. >rP >I have asked a similar question about this, at the time I was looking for a VMSP >reason for the FORCEDEXIT, now it's TCPWares turn. Only because LEGATO say thatK >it isn't anything to do with their product, despite the fact we seem to beu >beta-testing it for them... >dE Any timeout (keepalives) from TCPware would not result in FORCEDEXIT.aB Sounds to me more like a WATCHER-type process is at work here.  (I don't know what LEGATO is...)3   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/d: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 19:23:51 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)o4 Subject: Re: LEGATO and TCPWARE combination problem?' Message-ID: <8si907$icf$2@joe.rice.edu>2  . Hunter Goatley (goathunter@goatley.com) wrote:D : On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:50:03 +0000, Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk : wrote: : " : (I don't know what LEGATO is...)  8 Legato Networker is an enterprise network backup system:      http://www.legato.com/   : The VMS Legato Networker VMS client comes from WumpusWare:      http://www.wumpusware.com/r  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:36:59 GMTe From: chucknichols@my-deja.com8 Subject: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 6520) Message-ID: <8sinqq$iri$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  D We are in the process of converting a real-time application from VAXF VMS 5.5-2 to Alpha openVMS 7.2. We have purchased dual CPU DS20 AlphasF with 1GB memory and two 9 GB disks mirrored for the system disk, three4 9 GB disks RAIDed to give 18GB for application disk.  @ Linking programs takes much longer on the Alpha, for example oneE program takes about 3 minutes to link on our VAX 6520 (128 Kb) but itd$ takes 12 - 13 minutes on the DS20!!!  E As part of the conversion we borrowed a model 800 (400 Mhz) Alpha VMStG 7.1 and I did not get complaints about the linking times. UnfortunatelytF we did not actually check the times but all the users feel the linking performance was good on 800.  @ Is there any basic tuning required for an out of the box VMS 7.2F system. I have checked the linking performance when I am the only user and it is still bad.   Any ideas are welcome.   TIAT
 Chuck Nichols     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:54:51 GMTb2 From: Dave S <dave.senestraro@nospam.solveris.com>< Subject: Re: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 65203 Message-ID: <39ECE746.FECD09BA@nospam.solveris.com>   I Is it possible the libraries have not been de-compressed? that would slowa things downe   dave   chucknichols@my-deja.com wrote:   F > We are in the process of converting a real-time application from VAXH > VMS 5.5-2 to Alpha openVMS 7.2. We have purchased dual CPU DS20 AlphasH > with 1GB memory and two 9 GB disks mirrored for the system disk, three6 > 9 GB disks RAIDed to give 18GB for application disk. >rB > Linking programs takes much longer on the Alpha, for example oneG > program takes about 3 minutes to link on our VAX 6520 (128 Kb) but ita& > takes 12 - 13 minutes on the DS20!!! >cG > As part of the conversion we borrowed a model 800 (400 Mhz) Alpha VMScI > 7.1 and I did not get complaints about the linking times. UnfortunatelynH > we did not actually check the times but all the users feel the linking > performance was good on 800. >aB > Is there any basic tuning required for an out of the box VMS 7.2H > system. I have checked the linking performance when I am the only user > and it is still bad. >T > Any ideas are welcome. >r > TIAP > Chuck Nichols  >t( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 22:00:26 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)t< Subject: Re: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 6520+ Message-ID: <ZsRNoaaQkuRQ@eisner.decus.org>s  J In article <8sinqq$iri$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, chucknichols@my-deja.com writes:F > We are in the process of converting a real-time application from VAXH > VMS 5.5-2 to Alpha openVMS 7.2. We have purchased dual CPU DS20 AlphasH > with 1GB memory and two 9 GB disks mirrored for the system disk, three6 > 9 GB disks RAIDed to give 18GB for application disk. > B > Linking programs takes much longer on the Alpha, for example oneG > program takes about 3 minutes to link on our VAX 6520 (128 Kb) but iti& > takes 12 - 13 minutes on the DS20!!!  C Alpha does not have the position-independent instructions that wereO3 on VAX, so linking is going to be more complicated.E  G > As part of the conversion we borrowed a model 800 (400 Mhz) Alpha VMS-I > 7.1 and I did not get complaints about the linking times. UnfortunatelynH > we did not actually check the times but all the users feel the linking > performance was good on 800. > B > Is there any basic tuning required for an out of the box VMS 7.2H > system. I have checked the linking performance when I am the only user > and it is still bad.  / Look at your working set parameters and quotas. 3 Look at page fault rates while the link is running.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:47:14 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>a5 Subject: Re: loss of linefeeds when typing a files-11 + Message-ID: <39EC9EB1.8BE6C09@videotron.ca>-  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote:J > +We are telneting to a port on the VMS node that invokes a service which3 > +performs a "type/continuous" on a files-11 file.D  F If you login interactively to the remote node, does the TYPE/CONT work
 properly ?  I If your service, instead of doing TYPE/CONT, does a simple TYPE, does the  CR-LF appear ?  G One *possibility* (speculation) is that TYPE/CONT is being invoked as a I background task with and output that is not a terminal device, and hence,hM TYPE/CONT is sending "raw" record data, expecting the other end to store suchc data as record data.  K One example of how output is generated differently depending on the type ofdM output device is the DUMP command. If the output is not a terminal device, it M defaults to generating 132 columns listing instead of the 80 you get when you. invoke it from a terminal.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:01:53 +1000aI From: "Robin Houston @ Air Warfare Systems Centre" <aawsc@fastrac.net.au>l& Subject: Re: Memory allocation problem2 Message-ID: <C83H5.4$tN1.837@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>   Open VMS VAX 7.1 DW-Motif 1.2.4 Robin    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:46:37 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>& Subject: Re: Memory allocation problem> Message-ID: <hshubs-E13089.22463717102000@news.mindspring.com>  I In article <udLG5.8$gy1.1654@nsw.nnrp.telstra.net>, "Robin Houston @ Air -5 Warfare Systems Centre" <aawsc@fastrac.net.au> wrote:   : >Maxjobs:         0  Fillm:       500  Bytlm:       240000: >Maxacctjobs:     0  Shrfillm:      0  Pbytlm:           0: >Maxdetach:       0  BIOlm:       500  JTquota:       4096: >Prclm:          10  DIOlm:      4096  WSdef:        10240: >Prio:            6  ASTlm:      4106  WSquo:        32768: >Queprio:         0  TQElm:       128  WSextent:     50000: >CPU:        (none)  Enqlm:      1200  Pgflquo:     500000 >Authorized Privileges:rE >  ACNT      ALLSPOOL  ALTPRI    AUDIT     BUGCHK    BYPASS    CMEXECu >CMKRNLuE >  IMPERSONATDIAGNOSE  DOWNGRADE EXQUOTA   GROUP     GRPNAM    GRPPRVs     Try boosting wsextent. -- r Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 01:23:34 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: Migrating from 7.1 to 7.2* Message-ID: <39ecdf76$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  c In article <39D99E6E.AE82E0B0@hgcs07.hgo.dec.com>, Mickwid Lam <mickwid@hgcs07.hgo.dec.com> writes:t. >Two points you probably have to bear in mind: >dM >1. VMS V7.2 or above require TCP/IP services V5.0A. TCP/IP services V5.0A iseJ >a IPV6 implementation and much different from older UCX. Pay attention to/ >BIND server setup as V5.0A implements BIND V8;i  1 Wrong statements coming from someone at DEC.COM ?t  ) OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 does require TCPIP V5.m1 OpenVMS VAX V7.2 is still happy with UCX V4, too.r  The reason here is ODS5 support.  / BIND V8 is no problem, it is a good thing (tm). E And we waited much too long for it (same as NTP V3, DHCP Server, ...)uF and we still wait for something to come (eg. NFS V3, DHCP Client, ...)   TCPIP V5 is still not IPv6 !!!H If you want IPv6 you still need extra early adopter kits (EAK) just like the last years:    	IPV6-EAK-???-A60-1A.BCK8 	contained	DEC-???VMS-TCPIP-A0600-1A-1.PCSI + docu stuff   	IPV6-EAK-???-A60-1B.BCK; 	contained	DEC-???VMS-TCPIP-T0500-9AEAK-1.PCSI + docu stuffs   	IPV6-EAK-???-A60-1C.BCK8 	contained	DEC-???VMS-TCPIP-T0501-9R-1.PCSI + docu stuff  < Check http://www.digital.com/info/ipv6/ (if it still exists)  M >2. UCX$ prefix no longer use in TCP/IP services V5.0 or above. TCPIP$ prefixsL >is used instead. Thus in the SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM, you need to modify the UCX$ >to TCPIP$.n  L Not really. The old UCX$STARTUP.COM is delivered as a stub writing a messageH and then invoking TCPIP$STARTUP.COM. However you probably need to changeK some IP source to get it built again. And also you need to define a logical=  F "UCX$ACCESS_SHR"	= "SYS$SHARE:TCPIP$ACCESS_SHR.EXE" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)  J or install ECO 1 (to get a copy of SYS$SHARE:TCPIP$ACCESS_SHR.EXE named as# SYS$SHARE:UCX$ACCESS_SHR.EXE then).p   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888o< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:41:31 GMT ' From: Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com>u  Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes- Message-ID: <39ECC73E.FB8BBA67@theblakes.com>n  / The new kit is available from the Mozilla site.C  K It has been submitted to the OpenVMS site, but I don't think its there yet..& It should be by morning at the latest.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:16:38 GMT  From: gfruth@my-deja.com3 Subject: Re: Multinet FTP client and UCX FTP server ) Message-ID: <8simkg$hsb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l  D Craig, Thanks for the time to respond.  It turns out the problem was- that our firewall did not allow PUTs through.a   Garryl    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:16:38 +0100l+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>w6 Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done' Message-ID: <39ECC1B6.E530CCB0@iee.org>.  ! champ_clark666@my-deja.com wrote: B >         .. and back to the ">>>" prompt.  A "b/1" gets me to the? > same place (I can't get to SYSBOOT>...).  I run "TEST 10" and F > "TEST SCSI" which appear to be "OK".  For that fact,  I run "TEST 1"H > through "TEST 10" and they all appear to be okay.  This unit does haveH > a second harddrive (DKA100),  but doesn't have VMS loaded on it (was aE > user drive).  For grins,  I do a "B DKA100",  and I get a "FILE NOTdG > FOUND MESSAGE" (which I would expect) and the same HLT INST error (PCoF > and PSL are the same).  This unit is a couple hundred miles from me,D > so I had a friend re-seat the RAM,  and do a little swaping around= > of the harddrives (testing cables and such).  No such luck.e  @ You might want to try to boot off root E on DKA0 (and DKA100 too= just in case) since that's where standalone backup gets built. by default on a system drive.c  5 If you do get a CDROM going (you need one that can dor5 512-byte blocks) then you can actually boot a minimalG. OpenVMS VAX system from any of the boot recent1 OpenVMS CDs (boot root 1 to get into [SYS1] IIRC) 3 and then you can mount your DKA0 and poke around to 5 see whether it is dead or you can salvage some stuff.d   Antonioe   -- h   ---------------i- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgn   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 21:41:20 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)6 Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done. Message-ID: <8sih20$d4b$1@info.service.rug.nl>  7 > If you do get a CDROM going (you need one that can do 7 > 512-byte blocks) then you can actually boot a minimal 0 > OpenVMS VAX system from any of the boot recent3 > OpenVMS CDs (boot root 1 to get into [SYS1] IIRC) 5 > and then you can mount your DKA0 and poke around to-7 > see whether it is dead or you can salvage some stuff.S  H Can someone briefly describe the differences between booting from CD on F ALPHA and VAX?  I've done ALPHA and I understand that.  VAX I've only I done in a non-supported way by copying savesets to [000000] from a CD on aE an ALPHA, with the VAX system disk temporarily connected there, then kI connecting it to the VAX and going from there.  (I didn't have the media oD on tape, and no CD on the VAX---probably not an uncommon situation.)   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:03:30 GMT-- From: moroney@world.std.com (Michael Moroney)39 Subject: Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older AlphastationsJ& Message-ID: <G2LBpw.14s@world.std.com>  ? system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:4  a >In article <chZG5.291$qj2.55764@news.goodnet.com>, rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) writes:y >>Terry, Brian,iL >>     thanks both for the information.  I do recall Terry's experiment withM >>128MB SIMMs but did not recall if he actually ran VMS or just checked it inyK >>SRM.  Very nice to know.  Of course if my friend doesn't end up liking or  >>keeping his AS250... ;). >>L >>     The wording in the V7.1-2 SPD was rather surprising; it specifically J >>listed certain models as having memory support restrictions, then gave aL >>blanket (all other models are supported with their maximum physical memoryA >>capabilities)... seems that these models are also so supported.X  G >I would guess it is just that DEC/Compaq have not tested said machines H >with that amount of memory and therefore, they will not certify/warrant >VMS with those larger amounts.   K I did some of the VMS qualfication on the AS200 machines, including memory. G At the time the biggest SIMM available was 32MB so that was what it wastH qualified with for max memory (6 32MB SIMMs max)  At the time 64MB SIMMsJ weren't even a rumor (even the 32MB SIMMs came somewhat late in the game),E By the time 64MB SIMMs came out newer machines were out for the AS200 A niche and they never went back and qualified the AS200 with them.s   -Mikey   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 21:12:57 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations\. Message-ID: <8sifcp$cno$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <G2LBpw.14s@world.std.com>, moroney@world.std.com (Michaela Moroney) writes: n  M > I did some of the VMS qualfication on the AS200 machines, including memory.eI > At the time the biggest SIMM available was 32MB so that was what it wasGJ > qualified with for max memory (6 32MB SIMMs max)  At the time 64MB SIMMsL > weren't even a rumor (even the 32MB SIMMs came somewhat late in the game),G > By the time 64MB SIMMs came out newer machines were out for the AS200tC > niche and they never went back and qualified the AS200 with them.e  F Here's a question not regarding what is qualified/certified/supported,H but based on what will probably work.  What is the maximum memory for anE ALPHAstation 255/233?  (It has 2 banks of 4 SIMMs each.)  What is theoF maximum SIMM size?  (I suppose it might be possible to have, say, 1 GBD with 2x4 128 MB SIMMs, but not 1 GB with one bank of 4 256 MB SIMMs,E assuming of course that the SIMMs in question exist.  Do 256 MB SIMMsE: exist yet?  128?  For the ALPHAstation 255/233?  At all?)   A Ditto for DEC 3000 (the 175 MHz 21064 ALPHA), VAXstation 4000/90,n7 4000/60, 3100/30, 3100/38 and 3100/76 and VAX 400/100A.s  E I have an interesting thing called "the Digital Memory selector".  ItnB consists of a paper disk, one side for VAX and one side for ALPHA,D divided up like a pie, with slices for different systems.  Each sideE also has another, smaller, concentric disk, allowing the basic systeme@ information to be seen at the edge, and then windows with memoryG options.  Of the 8 systems above, only the VAXstation 4000/90, 3100/30 u@ and 3100/38 and VAX 4000/100A are listed.  For example, for the / VAXstation 4000/90 (and VAX 4000/100A) it listso      o  MS44L-BC 16 MB (4x4MB)      o  MS44-DC  64 MB (4x16MB)u  G and a maximum capacity of 128 MB.  Thus, IIRC, there are two banks of 4yG SIMMs, so with 8 16 MB SIMMs one would reach the 128 MB limit.  Is this-C limit given by the maximum SIMM size, or is it hard-wired somewhere A else, i.e. would still be in effect even if bigger SIMMs existed?s  I More interesting is, say, the VAXstation 4000 VLC Model 60.  It has 8 MB mH on board, and a maximum of 104 (again, the same questions as above) and H an 8 MB and a 32 MB (2x16) option.  Can one assume that the 104 is 96 + E the 8 on board, i.e. 3x32 with each 32 being 2x16, i.e. 3 banks of 2   SIMMs each?a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:03:28 -0400c2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)9 Subject: Re: OpenVMS memory limits on older Alphastations L Message-ID: <rdeininger-1810000003290001@user-2iveakj.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <8sifcp$cno$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote:e    H > Here's a question not regarding what is qualified/certified/supported,J > but based on what will probably work.  What is the maximum memory for an > ALPHAstation 255/233?  m > 0 > Ditto for DEC 3000 (the 175 MHz 21064 ALPHA),    The 3000/400/600/700 (desktop) systems officially take up to 512 MB.  The largest kit DEC (or anyone else, AFAIK) sold was 256 MB.  Theses systems take one or two kits, which are mounted on "memory mother boards" (MBBs).   The 3000/500/800/900 (deskside) systems use the same memory kits, but have room for up to 4 kits, so the maximum memory is 1 GB.  The MBBs for these systems are taller, but otherwise have the same connectors attaching to the main motherboard.  I recently heard from a participant in this NG who had a sick MBB in his model 400, so he put in a full set of MBBs from a model 800.  Then he put in 3 memory kits, and the firmware and VMS were perfectly happy.  These were not 256 MB kits, so the total memory was still under 512 MB.  But it appears that 1 GB would probably work, so the model 400 works with twice as many SIMMs as the designers intended.  e Alas, the larger MBBs prevented the drive tray from fitting, and the cover wouldn't close properly...i  UThe baby-sized 3000/300 boxes use different SIMMS and a different memory controller, so these tricks don't apply.  IIRC the maximum for these systems is 4 kits of 64 MB each, for a total of 256 MB.  The hardware/firmware only have a single bit to remember the size of a kit (the smaller kit is 16 MB), so I doubt other SIMM sizes would work.t  B I don't know details about any of the other systems you mentioned.   -- r Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coma   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 19:15:07 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)t- Subject: OT: Deja Puts Sale Up For Discussionb' Message-ID: <8si8fr$icf$1@joe.rice.edu>  Keywords: deja,salee  J New comp.os.vms participants are frequently referred to the Deja archives,' so this may not be off-topic after all.l   From:   B   http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2640446,00.html;   ZDNet: Inter@ctive Week: Deja Puts Sale Up For Discussionl  #   "Deja Puts Sale Up For Discussions$    By Mike Cleary, Inter@ctive Week     October 15, 2000 7:01 PM ET    I    We have all been here before. Another dot-com, this time Deja.com, is yI    seeking shelter from the Internet economy by way of a merger. The New rE    York company's business units - its longstanding Deja News Usenet LM    discussion business and its newer Precision Buying Service buying guide - rL    will be sold separately, according to sources familiar with the negotia -E    tions. The first deal could be clinched as soon as this week. ..."t  J This brings up questions such as "Will Deja's archives survive the sale ?"  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:54:48 +0200n2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)1 Subject: Re: OT: Deja Puts Sale Up For Discussion ; Message-ID: <39ed10f8.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>-  * Jerry Leslie (leslie@clio.rice.edu) wrote: :    [...] The New pG :    York company's business units - its longstanding Deja News Usenet mO :    discussion business and its newer Precision Buying Service buying guide -  N :    will be sold separately, according to sources familiar with the negotia -G :    tions. The first deal could be clinched as soon as this week. ..."g : L : This brings up questions such as "Will Deja's archives survive the sale ?"  ; There's an on-line petition to keep Deja's archive alive atr5 http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html.   cu,k   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de1N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:23:15 +0200W0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> Subject: ping a SLIP address??? * Message-ID: <39ED33C3.4CC365E1@Easynet.fr>  F I have setup a SLIP connection between to ALPHA 400 via the TTA0: port9 (port 1, correct?) then I created the interfaces with thee /serial=TTA0:/net/perm etc.R  E This network has a different address. Machine A is 192.206.127.1, theg@ other one via Ethernet is 192.206.127.2, and the SLIP network isG 192.206.128.1 and .2. I can't succeed to ping these addresses. The Pingn: says no route, return code -1. But I did create the route:  4 set route 192.206.128.0/gateway=192.206.128.1/ etc..  5 and of course I don't have my link via the SLIP line.h What did I do wrong.  E (thanks to BRUDEN.com for their TCP/IP training material. The one GKNh. received in Paris from COMPAQ was a 6.2 stuff)   D. -- -F   --------------------------------------------------------------------F Le Pachacamac COMPAQ/DEC/APPLE 34 ave. G. Pompidou 81500 Lavaur FranceB    http://www.pachacamac.com   ** Une passion pour l'excellence **F Tl. : 05.63.58.58.63    Fax. : 05.63.58.58.33    GSM : 06.88.97.61.48   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:12:11 GMTr From: jmd5@earthlink.net (jmd)- Subject: Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?l2 Message-ID: <39ecf83a.47296701@news.earthlink.net>  B On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:51:28 GMT, atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky) wrote:A  K >Thanks for the tip.  Computer Surplus Outlet has a 300W 3.3V PS for $99 in J >their catalog as part # CAS-30033.  They could not confirm over the phoneG >that this PS works with any Alpha board.  Is anyone successfully usinga  >this PS with a Cabriolet board? >O  B they used to sell the baords too, this is probabaly what you want.F there are 4 total feeds coming from the power supply. when you look on; the board all 4 connectors are near the keyboard connector.   C mine is a 300W PS. if you need numbers from in i could send them toA you.   hthH jeff   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 19:05:33 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown)* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node. Message-ID: <8si7tt$fek$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  ) Mark-Simon Pope (mpope@bristol.ca) wrote:-  K : I need to be able to read and set logicals in the system table on anotherTK : node.  Or create a table that can would be used as a single entity acrosskC : the cluster.  Is this possible? Am I maybe using the wrong table?c  C Locks are also cluster-wide.  If your application needs to poll theyC logical name to find out when to do something, perhaps using a locki8 request with some kind of ast would work better for you.   - Robc     -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.comp6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:08:54 -0400b  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node6 Message-ID: <1001017230201.24613C-100000@Ives.egh.com>  " On 17 Oct 2000, Bob Koehler wrote:  ^ > In article <39EB8B78.E79C7A5F@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > > R > > $DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical  "Please send me Tim Tam cookies" > >  >  > $show logical mylogicalAK >     "MYLOGICAL" = "Please send me Tim Tam cookies" (LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE)s > D > now, if I wasn't reading usenet, how would I know who "me" is? 8-) > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences CorporationC? > GSFC Code 582 Flight Software   | Federal Sector, Civil GroupuG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying.  > I've never heard of Tim Tam cookies.  Do they contain coconut?  C $ if f$locate("coconut",timtamcookies) .eq. f$length(timtamcookies)  $ then0 $  DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical -/       "Please send John Santos Tim Tam cookies"R $ else0 $  DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical -&       "Please send JF Tim Tam cookies" $ endif$   -- C John SantosE Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:02:32 -04004- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> * Subject: Re: read logicals on another node, Message-ID: <39ED20D6.682FC0F9@videotron.ca>   John Santos wrote:E > $ if f$locate("coconut",timtamcookies) .eq. f$length(timtamcookies)  > $ then2 > $  DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical -1 >       "Please send John Santos Tim Tam cookies"m > $ else2 > $  DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical -( >       "Please send JF Tim Tam cookies"	 > $ endifi    H $if f$locate("chocolate",userpreferences) .ne. f$length(userpreferences) $then-$ $ netscape http://www.arnotts.com.au $else  $ type sys$input8 Sorry, Tim Tams are available in the following flavours:  #  * Arnotts Chocolate Tim Tam 200g  e'  * Arnotts Tim Tam Chewy Caramel 175g     * Arnotts Tim Tam White 410g  m,  * Arnotts Tim Tam Choc Double Coated 200g  +  * Arnotts Tim Tam Chocolate Caramel 200g  /'  * Arnotts Tim Tam Chocolate Tin 450g  -&  * Arnotts Tim Tam Coffee Mocha 200g  (  * Arnotts Tim Tam Dark Chocolate 200g  $  * Arnotts Tim Tam Multi Pack 220g  )  * Arnotts Tim Tams Chocindulgence 365g     A check http://www.woolworths.com.au for availability and prices...e $c $ENDIF   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:29:34 -0400a* From: Jay Peterson <peterson@pulsenet.com>< Subject: Re: Register values for DEFBOO.COM (boot from tape)5 Message-ID: <03ba01c038c4$ff1cd900$7b8aed3f@peterson>y   > Hello,J >     We've got a VAX 8530, and need to know how to boot it from tape.  WeI > have a TU81+ tape drive interfaced to the machine through it's own port0H > on the back.  The way the machine boots, is rather interesting.  FirstD > you power it on and load the microcode from the console.  The "VAXD > Console" is basically a Pro380 microcomputer with it's own specialI > interface to the machine.  Then, to boot the machine we run a script on.J > the console (like "DEFBOO.COM") which punches a bunch of values into theH > machine's registers, then loads the bootloader ("VMB.EXE"), and passesC > control to it.  The values you punch into the registers basicallyeG > determine what device the machine boots off of.  As we're missing theGI > "booting from tape" portion of our console manual, we basically need totH > know what to put in our boot command file to boot the machine from the > TU81+. >t	 > Thanks,e >     Derek Konigsberg >     konigd@rpi.edu > K As I understand it, you are not missing that section of the manual; it does-J not exist. I seem to remember asking this question of our support folk andL the answer that came back was that your choices for booting the 8530 are theH floppy drive (S/A backup) and your system disk. Booting from tape is not
 supported.  / Of course someone else may know differently....t   J. A. Peterson   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:53:17 -0400n' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu>I# Subject: S/A set and Pro380 consoleK' Message-ID: <39EC83FD.AECB05AA@rpi.edu>i   Hello,F     I'm trying to bring up an old VAX 8530.  Basically, the first stepH in this is booting the machine off a "standalone backup" disk set.  ThisB is done through the "VAX Console", which is a Pro380 microcomputerG running P/OS and special console software/hardware.  I was able to findkD someone who could make me the right set of RX50 floppies on his VAX,D however I am unable to read them in the console's floppy drive.  TheD drive does work, however, as we do have other disks for it that workC fine.  The guy who make the disk set for me said he was using a VAXt; 11/780 under VMS 5.4, and that the disk format was "ODS-2".oH     I'm looking for helpful ideas, as we've had the system sitting thereG for about a year.  We're quite eager to finally get the machine online.cD Once we have a working S/A floppy set, we just have to cable up hardD drives and load the rest of the OS from our TU81+ tape drive (easily2 done, as there's nothing weird about those tapes).   Thanks,      Derek Konigsberg$     RPI Electronics Club (president)-     http://www.rpi.edu/dept/union/electronicsd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:52:48 -0700i0 From: "William S. LaCounte" <vmsmanager@ups.edu>' Subject: Re: S/A set and Pro380 consolev# Message-ID: <39ECAE10.4F28@ups.edu>   D I have had several Pro350/380 years past. All of them only supported$ ODS-1 since POS was a hybrid of RSX.  A I doubt very much if the Pro380 configured as a VAX Console woulds support ODS-2.   Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 16:05:25 -0400i' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu>a' Subject: Re: S/A set and Pro380 consoleu' Message-ID: <39ECB105.4898257A@rpi.edu>n   Bill, A 	Any idea how one would go about making the S/A disk set in ODS-1iG format?  (I find it rather interesting how there are many DOS utilitiesBC that let you read/write RX50 disks, but only support the old PDP-11i formats like RT-11)t  G P.S. I cc'd this message to the guy who's helping me with the floppies.h   -Derek     "William S. LaCounte" wrote: > F > I have had several Pro350/380 years past. All of them only supported& > ODS-1 since POS was a hybrid of RSX. > C > I doubt very much if the Pro380 configured as a VAX Console wouldn > support ODS-2. >  > Bill   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 23:23:00 -0400d  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>' Subject: Re: S/A set and Pro380 consolei/ Message-ID: <1001017231640.24613H@Ives.egh.com>t  , On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Derek Konigsberg wrote:   > Bill,hC > 	Any idea how one would go about making the S/A disk set in ODS-1eI > format?  (I find it rather interesting how there are many DOS utilities E > that let you read/write RX50 disks, but only support the old PDP-11r > formats like RT-11)   - ODS-1 is also a PDP-11 format, from RSX-11...A  H I think all your friend needs to do is init it with "$ init/structure=1" before copying the files to it.   I Also, I hope the VAX has an RX50 (or RX33?); the console on an 11/780 is  I an 8" RX01, so it wouldn't be easy to insert those floppies into the 8530p
 console!  ;-)e  H BTW, the EXCHANGE program on VMS will read and write RT-11 format disks,) but I think the 8530 console wants ODS-1.t   > I > P.S. I cc'd this message to the guy who's helping me with the floppies.H >  > -Derek >  >  > "William S. LaCounte" wrote: > > H > > I have had several Pro350/380 years past. All of them only supported( > > ODS-1 since POS was a hybrid of RSX. > > E > > I doubt very much if the Pro380 configured as a VAX Console wouldi > > support ODS-2. > >  > > Bill >  >    -- e John Santosi Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:46:30 -0400m% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>w+ Subject: Re: Second ethernet for uVAX3180 ?s$ Message-ID: <39ec9e03$1@news.si.com>  G >Its worse for 4000's they want $5k!  I had a real hard time keeping my 8 >breakfast down when I received my quote on that one....  K They want even more for the XMI-based boards (for a 7000, say).  They claimiJ it's because of the cost of licensing the specs for the XMI (at least, the person I spoke to said that).M  K We have one of the 100 Mb Ethernet boards in one of our 4505s.  It performsoK well enough, but the drawback is you still need another Ethernet connection L if you have a mixed-interconnect cluster.  The drivers that enable the boardD don't load until SYCONFIG.COM runs and, thus, at boot time, when theL connection manager is trying to determine the extemt of the cluster, it willI see the DSSI-connected nodes, but not the NI-connected nodes and the nodeMK won't join the cluster; it just hangs waiting for things to sort themselves D out, which they can't do.  We bought the 100 Mb card to enable us toL eliminate our FDDI connection, but we can't because we need it to see the NI* nodes until the 100 Mb drivers get loaded. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com.A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com/= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventW< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:34:05 GMTa From: Bob@yahoo.com (Bob )# Subject: Secure FTP recommendationss/ Message-ID: <39ecc563.429307952@news.wwisp.com>m   	     : Any recommendations on a secure FTP program for an Openvms> system....the box on the other end is an AIX 4.3.3 ftp server.     TIAm   BOB    ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 22:23:02 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)/ Subject: Re: Shark x Penguin : The OpenVMS Logon* Message-ID: <39ecb526$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  i In article <39D45A0D.8F4C68D7@gtech.com>, Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com> writes:e; >And I do not consider VMS and Linux that hard competitors.    Agreed.s  H >Let Linux compete with NT, NetWare, SCO Unix and low-end Solaris boxes. >4D >Let VMS compete with high-end Solaris, HP-UX, AIX and OS/400 boxes.   No.gK They are also on their way out (starting with OS400 and AIX and ending withr$ SOLARIS - getting replaced by LINUX)  G Let VMS start to ALSO compete with NT (replacing Netware and many more)sL and LINUX (replacing the rest of the world resisting the MegaShit empire) !!D eg. By offering REAL LOW COST entry systems (current Alpha/VMS entryG systems are still way too expensive - cut the price by at least 75% !!)M   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 19:18:49 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)  Subject: simple cluster question. Message-ID: <8si8mp$ana$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H In a two-node cluster with apparently everything working, if one node isH shut down with SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM with the REMOVE_NODE option, whatF should SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS show for its status?  It seems to me it@ should be blank, NON or REMOVED, but not BRK_NON.  If BRK_NON is3 correct, when should the other fields be displayed?m   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:42:47 +1300 (NZDT) From: Iain <kiwi@fsf.com.au>9 Subject: Skiddily.com - Get paid for having a start page!s@ Message-ID: <200010172342.MAA03861@cirrostratus.netaccess.co.nz>  ' Removal instructions at end of message.n0 ************************************************  0 Skiddily.com - Get paid for having a start page!   Hello,   I just set www.skiddily.com as my personal start page because I get paid every time I turn on my browser!    Plus, the page is filled with local and useful information that I can customize!0  Z It's free and very easy. You should set it as your start page and start making money too.    Even better, Skiddily.com pays you (instead of paying for advertising) when your friends set their home page!  You should tell as many of your friends about this program as possible.   You have to check this out!N* http://www.skiddily.com/join.asp?ref=35055   Regards, Iain B  5 *****************************************************eI Your email address was supplied to me as one of many opportunity seekers.  If you feel this is incorrect and/or you just wish to be removed from this list, simply reply with REMOVE in the subject heading." Thanks for your time.p   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:29:39 GMTd From: kparris@my-deja.comu* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist) Message-ID: <8siqtc$l8s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  1 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:s2 > despite your suggestions you don't actually know3 > what caused eTrades outages despite the rambling.n  E > > > So will Compaq admit that eTrade's outage was caused by Compaq?- > >-5 > > Of course not.  The evidence indicates it wasn't.r > >n@ > No you havn't actually presented any evidence to show this, inB > fact you have said and I quote "The actual causes of the outagesC > on the two subsequent days is the subject of disagreement to thist > day among people I respect."  G You conveniently sidestepped the clear evidence I did present about thes( undisputed cause of half of the outages.  G You're complaining here because YOU don't know the causes, and you wishnG to blame Compaq.  I'm not at liberty to release details about the otherrD two outages.  Folks will have to weigh their opinion of my technicalF expertise and honesty and decide whether or not to trust me when I sayC that based on my examination of the evidence, I believe the outagesiE were not the fault of Compaq.  They can similarly decide if they wish # to believe you about e-Bay and Sun.-  A But anyway, perhaps a far more interesting topic would be all thecF outages that DIDN'T occur at E*Trade, thanks to Compaq.  Like DecemberD 29, 1999 (three days before Y2K), when a security guard on his firstG day on the job heard a UPS audio alarm, panicked, and hit the emergency-C power-off button for an entire datacenter.  Despite Y2K jitters and E hair-trigger reporting of any suspected computer problems, you didn'tlC hear about any outage, did you?  That's because Compaq's technologytB (Disaster-Tolerant VMS Clusters) is designed for just that sort ofD thing, and it works.  Sun can't provide technology with capabilities anywhere close to that.lG -----------------------------------------------------------------------sG Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospamwF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:08:04 -0400 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>P Subject: Re: SYS$ASCUTCo$ Message-ID: <39eca312$1@news.si.com>  D >In article <4prdusskun7p411ua658ncvn1t9dgpsjof@4ax.com>, John Laird, <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> >writes: >>B >> I presume Zulu time is not politically correct any longer ? ;-) >> >.2 >Still in use in all civilian air traffic control.   And on JAG on Tuesday evening. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comaA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.coms= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevento< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:34:04 GMT.- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) 7 Subject: Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMS 0 Message-ID: <39ec99b3.16259680@swen.process.com>  B On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 14:39:08 GMT, richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote:  : >> Conversely, UCX requires OPER or SYSPRV to set the sendD >> and receive socket buffer sizes, but TCPware and MultiNet do not. >>G >  Touche. But surely it is reasonable for an unprivileged user to needeB >to reduce the connect timeout interval before needing to increase >resource usage? >tA Agreed.  I was just pointing another discrepancy that didn't make  sense to me.  < >> >2) TCPWARE accepts, but appears to ignore, socket option8 >> >ucx$c_share. You get an error when you try to attach >> >another channel. >> > >> Yes, I believe that's true. >>G >  My software does not currently make use of this feature but it seems H >as though you don't imagine seeing this functionality in TCPWARE in theD >forseeable future? FYI I think the error was "Device not ready, not >mounted or unavailable" > D There's never been a request for the feature, AFAIK, so there are no? plans at the moment to implement that functionality (that's theaB foreseeable future).  I'd like to see it added sometime, but thereE aren't any plans currently to do so (I've never seen an app that usesY it).  G >  Please let me take the opportunity to pass on a well done and thankslC >to anyone who worked on your _BG: driver! The discrepencies that IeF >identified are minor (mainly cosmetic) and I'd like to point out thatF >99% of my, in all modesty fairly complex, code performed consistantlyD >across UCX and TCPWARE. The fact that the same executables will run? >unaltered/linked regardless of TCP/IP vendor/implementation iss >remarkable! Thanks again. >oD Thanks!  We try hard to catch everything, but some features we don'tB know about until someone uses them (e.g, the Apache code that used> a feature of UCX we didn't know about, but we added it to both> MultiNet and TCPware as soon as we learned about the problem).  F >PS. Any gotchas with muticasting? It is my understanding that TCPWARE? >has had this functionality for years although it's new to UCX.n >)* Correct, and no gotchas that I know about.  D >PPS. Is the _BG: driver the interface of choice for your customers?G >They're using your _inet: driver where I am at the moment and it looksm >nasty.r >lF I've always thought the INET interface was much easier to use than theD BG interface---you don't have to mess around with different kinds ofC item lists, etc.  Different customers use different interfaces, but0C the BG interface has been growing in use because of the portabilityl@ issues (although all 3 stacks support INET, too) and because the@ DEC C socket routines ultimately use the BG interface, and given= all the changes in each DEC C release, we've been encouraging F customers writing in C to use the DEC C socket routines instead of the TCPware socket routines.   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/e: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 21:16:05 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c7 Subject: Re: time to consolidate the TCP/IP work on VMSr, Message-ID: <39ECF9B8.98D7C83D@videotron.ca>   re: programming interfaces.o  H I am curious: since any type of communication involved the potential forJ timeouts, how come the TCPIP V5.0 QIO interface doesn't support timeouts ?  I It is so much cleaner when the timout is handled inside the QIO where you M check a single status, instead of having 2 event flags, and handle concurrent A $SETIMER and $QIO (cancelling either when one completes) etc etc.t  N Or does the TCPIP include IO$M_TIMED in its QUI interface and I somehow missed in in the documentation ?,   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 21:00:13 GMT! From: briannfo@aol.com (BrianNFO)1" Subject: VBN Error in Indexed File: Message-ID: <20001017170013.13269.00000178@ng-md1.aol.com>  I Last week, I had a strange event where I had random indexed files gettingmN trashed across random drives across random controllers in my cluster.  To makeO a long story short, I complete cluster shutdown and a few patches seems to haverI cleaned things up.  (Deep down, I still wonder if I/O Express is involvede	 somehow.)i  F I found another indexed file this week that has the following error...D ***  VBN 429236:  Data record spills over into free space of bucket.5 Unrecoverable error encountered in structure of file.D    The analysis uncovered 2 errors.  L I can't convert it without getting an error, and going to a backup from lastM week would be extremely painful because of the updates made to the file since C then.  (applications using the file seem to be fine, oddly enough.)/  3 If anyone has an idea, please let me know...thanks.o   Briano   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:18:01 GMTe4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com> Subject: Re: VMS ISP?r: Message-ID: <tL7H5.20820$76.479562@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>   Ditto.  H I set up an OpenVMS ISP that went live in January of 1995 with DECserverI 700's, a VAX 4300, an HSC50, an SA600 storage array, TF85, and TU81+ tape,H drives.  It used a "pay as you go" charging method with software I wroteJ that would listen to the accounting service on the DECservers with reverseI LAT on the VAX and start deducting funds from customer accounts when theyuF logged in and stopped when they logged out.  It had online credit cardI payment to top up your account and all the usual other services includingnL web space served up by the OSU web server.  It also ran ANU news with a fullK feed (boy did that keep a couple of RAID arrays humming right along).  User I documentation was done using VAXdocument.  It was wildly successful and a D license to print money.  After it was live for several months, a fewL competitors started to pop up here and there.  One even phoned in one day toH try to razz us claiming that our finger daemon had a bug saying that ourE server had been up for 297 days.  I told him it had and he refused to5H believe me.  It was also fun watching the "script kiddies" trying to useL sendmail hacks on the MultiNet SMTP server without success.  The system justI ran and ran and ran all by itself.  One day the PHB (pointy haired boss), D after reading an airline magazine or something, decided that we wereI "converting everything to UNIX - you can help us or not."  Seeing this asRI some sort of veiled threat and not being interested in working further inpI such a hostile environment, I decide to seek VMS work elsewhere.  Not toolH long after that, they decided that they didn't know how to convert it toJ UNIX and so instead of keeping it running, they just abandoned it and shutH it down.   They had a "mild" revolt on their hands to say the least fromL their customers.  Another example I suppose of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it".   C.    > "Robert Alan Byer" <byer@mail.ourservers.net> wrote in message+ news:GHcdkJscV9Wk@cartman.ourservers.net...K > >bB > > Are there any ISPs that use VMS?  (Global, national, or local) > > D > > If not, why not?  Is there something about VMS that puts it at a= > > disadvantage compared to others?  Initial cost might be a 2 > > disadvantage, but are there technical reasons? > >  >DH > I used to run an all OpenVMS ISP.  All services were OpeNVMS and other than; > hardware and connection problems, we never had a problem.f >sI > The ISP was sold and they moved to an NT platform which took them three1 monthsJ > to configure properly and during this three month time they were off net ando > customers went elsewhere.A > L > So in a nutshell, OpenVMS works great for an ISP where you need consistant1 > performance as our customers did appreciate it.a >t > -- > B >  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+B >  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |B >  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+B >  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |B >  +-------------------------------------------------------------+B >  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |B >  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands aquire   |B >  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |B >  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |B >  +-------------------------------------------------------------+ >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:47:24 GMTv/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>)$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?E Message-ID: <091H5.1195$Zd1.85136@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>   E Certainly.  Shadowing is not a cluster specific product.  I would not5J think of running any system without some sort of shadowing (or mirroring).I The fact that it works just fine in a cluster is one more shining examples) of the power and flexibility of clusters.C    / "fooguy" <jweisen@my-deja.com> wrote in messagen# news:8shur5$rks$1@nnrp1.deja.com... 2 > I'm stepping up again to use my one for today... >tH > Does OpenVMS support software mirrored drives? I've read a fair amountB > about Shadowing, but it always seems to acompany something aboutB > clusters. Our Alpha (singular) has 2 internal 4gig drives and anG > external RAID 5 array. I was considering mirroring the 4gig drives tooD > each other, since one has sat idle since the system was delivered. > Any thoughts?  >l	 > Thanks,t > John >m > --/ > *********************************************v* > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." >2 >9( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.'   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:24:12 GMT " From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com>$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?) Message-ID: <8si90i$5kr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>6  E Then I guess my question is, what steps to do I have to go through toTG implement this? I see there is a different mount qualifier, but is that3F it? And if the shadow set has a different device name (dsa0 instead of# dka0) will this affect my logicals?   E In article <091H5.1195$Zd1.85136@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,O2   "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote:G > Certainly.  Shadowing is not a cluster specific product.  I would noth@ > think of running any system without some sort of shadowing (or mirroring).tC > The fact that it works just fine in a cluster is one more shiningW exampleU+ > of the power and flexibility of clusters.c >e1 > "fooguy" <jweisen@my-deja.com> wrote in messagee% > news:8shur5$rks$1@nnrp1.deja.com...o4 > > I'm stepping up again to use my one for today... > > C > > Does OpenVMS support software mirrored drives? I've read a fairr amountD > > about Shadowing, but it always seems to acompany something aboutD > > clusters. Our Alpha (singular) has 2 internal 4gig drives and anF > > external RAID 5 array. I was considering mirroring the 4gig drives toF > > each other, since one has sat idle since the system was delivered. > > Any thoughts?1 > >6 > > Thanks,n > > John > >m > > --1 > > *********************************************l, > > "All I every wanted from life was to see0 > > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." > >  > >s* > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > > Before you buy.9 >T >r   --- *********************************************m( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."   /* John Eisenschmidtr, fooguy AT AT AT eisenschmidt DOT DOT DOT org (you know the drill) */    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.O   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:41:55 -0000,- From: wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) $ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?/ Message-ID: <supas3kgdt979b@news.supernews.com>1  D jweisen@my-deja.com (fooguy) wrote in <8shur5$rks$1@nnrp1.deja.com>:  1 >I'm stepping up again to use my one for today...e >gG >Does OpenVMS support software mirrored drives? I've read a fair amounttA >about Shadowing, but it always seems to acompany something about*A >clusters. Our Alpha (singular) has 2 internal 4gig drives and aneF >external RAID 5 array. I was considering mirroring the 4gig drives toC >each other, since one has sat idle since the system was delivered.  >Any thoughts?  H Yes, you can Volume Shadow disks on the same box without a clustering.    J Volume shadowing gives you the ability to dis-member the shadow set while L the system is running - great for taking backups that require a quiet disk. K However, merging the drive back into the shadow set takes time, and you're s unprotected while dismembered.  L If you're just protecting against disk failure, mirroring the drives with a J RAID controller might make some sense; no shadow copy/merge issues, hands- off management.s   ws   -- o3 << What if there were no hypothetical questions? >>n   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:45:30 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>p$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?( Message-ID: <39ECAC53.5CAE1395@ohio.edu>  ? Host-based Volume Shadowing (HBVS) is another name for software C mirroring.  It is usable in clusers or in single-node (stand-alone). systems.                               RDPg    
 fooguy wrote:a  2 > I'm stepping up again to use my one for today... >aH > Does OpenVMS support software mirrored drives? I've read a fair amountB > about Shadowing, but it always seems to acompany something aboutB > clusters. Our Alpha (singular) has 2 internal 4gig drives and anG > external RAID 5 array. I was considering mirroring the 4gig drives tosD > each other, since one has sat idle since the system was delivered. > Any thoughts?p >I	 > Thanks,  > John >n > --/ > *********************************************u* > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." >n( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.b   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 20:37:04 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?. Message-ID: <8sid9g$c36$2@info.service.rug.nl>  F In article <supas3kgdt979b@news.supernews.com>, wspencer@ap.nospam.org (Warren Spencer) writes: a  L > Volume shadowing gives you the ability to dis-member the shadow set while N > the system is running - great for taking backups that require a quiet disk. M > However, merging the drive back into the shadow set takes time, and you're d  > unprotected while dismembered.  G        Binds up to three physical devices into a shadow set representedf                    ^^^^^I With three (hey, disks are cheap!), you can dismember one and still have - two in the shadow set.   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 20:34:12 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?. Message-ID: <8sid44$c36$1@info.service.rug.nl>  F In article <8si90i$5kr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> writes:   G > Then I guess my question is, what steps to do I have to go through tomI > implement this? I see there is a different mount qualifier, but is that H > it? And if the shadow set has a different device name (dsa0 instead of% > dka0) will this affect my logicals?e   See HELP MOUNT/SHADOW.  F Yes, you should redefine your logicals to point to the generic shadow F name; the whole point is to avoid a single physical disk as a failure  point.  H Now I have a question:  WHY must the $allocation-class$ddcu[:] syntax beE used?  As far as I can tell (and I have just read up on node and porteC allocation classes), this is only necessary with dual-ported disks.1G However, it makes sense to use volume shadowing on a standalone system.n> Sure, one could use allocation classes there, but they are notI necessary, so why does MOUNT/SHADOW require this syntax (at least that's y what HELP says).   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:04:30 GMT0 From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?' Message-ID: <39ECCCED.D3834621@home.nl>r  H Like every one else said, it is possible to uese shadow. But you do need" a (rather expensive) license .....          
 fooguy wrote:t > 2 > I'm stepping up again to use my one for today... > H > Does OpenVMS support software mirrored drives? I've read a fair amountB > about Shadowing, but it always seems to acompany something aboutB > clusters. Our Alpha (singular) has 2 internal 4gig drives and anG > external RAID 5 array. I was considering mirroring the 4gig drives to D > each other, since one has sat idle since the system was delivered. > Any thoughts?  > 	 > Thanks,u > John >  > --/ > *********************************************n* > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.n   ------------------------------   Date: 17 Oct 2000 22:28:58 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?. Message-ID: <8sijra$ed2$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <39ECCCED.D3834621@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  J > Like every one else said, it is possible to uese shadow. But you do need$ > a (rather expensive) license .....  E I notice I don't have volume shadowing installed.  Perhaps because I tE haven't had a need for it (well, if I had more disks, I would have a rG better feeling...).  Is it included in the DECcampus licenses, the new b) academic thing, or the hobbyist licenses?o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:41:46 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>n$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?- Message-ID: <39ECF1CA.54A80CF3@earthlink.net>U  
 fooguy wrote:  > G > Then I guess my question is, what steps to do I have to go through tooI > implement this? I see there is a different mount qualifier, but is thatn > it?T  1 Yes. See HELP MOUNT /SHADOW, as Philip suggested.h  D > And if the shadow set has a different device name (dsa0 instead of% > dka0) will this affect my logicals?   C You should always use the DISK$volume_name logical names where evermH possible. This minimizes the impact of device names that may change. You@ will then need to change your mount procedures, and little else.   -- o David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.k   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:54:34 -0500t7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>o$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?- Message-ID: <39ECF4CA.D39AB2EC@earthlink.net>-   Phillip Helbig wrote:  [snip]J > Now I have a question:  WHY must the $allocation-class$ddcu[:] syntax beG > used?  As far as I can tell (and I have just read up on node and portDE > allocation classes), this is only necessary with dual-ported disks.nI > However, it makes sense to use volume shadowing on a standalone system.T@ > Sure, one could use allocation classes there, but they are notJ > necessary, so why does MOUNT/SHADOW require this syntax (at least that's > what HELP says).  B Because VOLSHAD requires that each host have a non-zero allocationC class. I'm sure someone will pipe up with the complete explanation;lC however, consider the transfer of "knowledge" between cluster nodesoC about shadow set constituency. This may explain it (and maybe not).   	 Consider:    DSA0:a as viewed by NODE1:O NODE1$DUA100 NODE1$DUA200 as viewed by NODE2:D NODE2$DUA100 NODE2$DUA200  B Doesn't work, does it? Whose view of the shadow set is "correct"?   
 Now try this:e   DSA0:m as viewed by NODE1:o	 $1$DUA100r	 $1$DUA200c as viewed by NODE2:t	 $1$DUA100e	 $1$DUA200o   That looks better, doesn't it?  > As to why the $alloclass$ddcu: notation is required, try this:   $3$DUA100 (HSJ010) $3$DUA200 (HSJ011)   DSA0:e# as viewed by NODE1 (ALLOCLASS = 1):e	 $3$DUA100t	 $3$DUA200 # as viewed by NODE2 (ALLOCLASS = 2): 	 $3$DUA100 	 $3$DUA200   @ I dunno. Whaddaya think? Does the ALLOCLASS make life easier for SHADOW_SERVER or what?   -- u David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/d  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.u   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:44:55 GMT02 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?5 Message-ID: <X09H5.967$_7.264702@typhoon.aracnet.com>S  + Phillip Helbig <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote:pJ > In article <39ECCCED.D3834621@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes:  K >> Like every one else said, it is possible to uese shadow. But you do needA% >> a (rather expensive) license .....f  G > I notice I don't have volume shadowing installed.  Perhaps because I tG > haven't had a need for it (well, if I had more disks, I would have a uI > better feeling...).  Is it included in the DECcampus licenses, the new  + > academic thing, or the hobbyist licenses?i  I It's most definitly in the Hobbyist licenses, so one would assume it's inoC the new Academic licenses which are aparently based on the Hobbyists	 licenses.m  C My excuse is no longer a lack of disks, now it's a lack of time :^(    			Zanee   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 05:30:45 +0200o2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)! Subject: Re: VMS to VMS X-sessionm; Message-ID: <39ed1965.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>h  : Miguel Angel Uson Finkenzeller (mauf@uhu.unizar.es) wrote:D : I am now failing to connect from the Alpha 255 to another AlphaVMSJ : computer, as a remote X-session (either Telnet or Decnet), and I get the : following error message: :g : ************0 : No subkeyword specified. Default FULL selected2 : quest: cannot connect to the X server at _WSA7:.F : Please check that your DISPLAY environment variable is correctly setM : (e.g. setenv DISPLAY :0.0 on Unix (csh) or SET DISPLAY/CREATE/NODE=nodenamet :  on VMS).hN : You may also need to use the command 'xhost' (Unix) or the 'security' window; : (VMS) to gain display permission from the window manager.m : ************F : (Quest is a programme of the Cambridge Structural Database package). :s& : From the command line I first issue:< : $ set display /create /transport=tcpip /node=xxx.xxx.xx.xx# : which works fine in the W95 case.a :uE : Attempts to include the remote node in the 'security' window of then5 : *style manager* of Motif lead to no better results.e  G Check that TCP/IP is installed as a DECwindows transport on the display?L machine (assuming the machine does have a TCP/IP stack installed, of course)E by finding the following line in SYS$MANAGER:DECW$SERVER_0_ERROR.LOG:V  .   DECW$TRANSPORT_TCPIP image base address: ...  < If it's not there, the machine must be set up to use TCP/IP:L Modify SYS$MANAGER:DECW$PRIVATE_SERVER_SETUP.COM (copy it from the .TEMPLATE5 file if it's not there) to include the following linen  2   $ decw$server_transports == "DECNET,LOCAL,TCPIP"  : and restart DECwindows (caution: this kills all sessions!)  %   $ @SYS$STARTUP:DECW$STARTUP RESTARTi   cu,a   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de9N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------    Date: 17 Oct 2000 15:54:03 -0400+ From: randall.burlew@srs.gov (Randy Burlew)o Subject: Re: VMS Tutorials, Message-ID: <2000Oct17.155403.12794@srs.gov>  O In article <39EC1F86.EA2F5CE6@jpmorgan.com>, taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com says...  >nJ >I'm probably getting a bit specialist here but a book on running embedded7 >SQL ( Ingres ) using Basic on VMS. Well you can always- >hope..................... >   @ The number for ordering documentation from CA is 1-800-841-8743.  A They have a general SQL reference guide and then companion guides ' for each of the precompilers they have.o  K I don't know of a precompiler for Basic, but that doesn't mean there is not " one -- I've only used C & Fortran.   Randy Burlew randall.burlew@srs.gov   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:55:11 GMTn* From: kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie ()/ Subject: VS3100 ethernet self test failure codew> Message-ID: <slrn8upm4q.mbe.kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie>  G I've posted this to comp.sys.dec a few months ago, but perhaps there's w7 someone on comp.os.vms who can shed some light on this.d  > I've got a VS3100m76 that always fails the ethernet self test.< Sometimes it locks up solid during the test and sometimes it finishes with:   KA43-A  V1.2          ...i  < F...E...D...C...B...A_..9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1?..      ?  C  0080  0000.4001  ?  7  80A0  0000.4001  ?  6  80A1  0000.4001 ??  1  00C0  0000.0006  < I can't find any explanation for this code (00C0 0000.0006).4 Perhaps someone in Compaq can dig up an explanation?  # Alternatively, when it locks up at:/   KA43-A  V1.2          ...b  9 F...E...D...C...B...A_..9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..10  9 the LED pattern is (7->0)  on off off on  off off off on.:  7 I'd like to isolate the fault to a particular componentp6 before I start attacking it with the soldering iron...   Thanks in advance, Kenn   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 01:30:58 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)3 Subject: Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure codef( Message-ID: <39ece132@news.kapsch.co.at>  k In article <slrn8upm4q.mbe.kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie>, kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie () writes:iH >I've posted this to comp.sys.dec a few months ago, but perhaps there's 8 >someone on comp.os.vms who can shed some light on this. >r? >I've got a VS3100m76 that always fails the ethernet self test.m= >Sometimes it locks up solid during the test and sometimes ite >finishes with:u >< >KA43-A  V1.2          ... >e= >F...E...D...C...B...A_..9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1?..g >  >i > ?  C  0080  0000.4001. > ?  7  80A0  0000.4001S > ?  6  80A1  0000.4001d >??  1  00C0  0000.0006r >m= >I can't find any explanation for this code (00C0 0000.0006).t  M A "?? 1" is almost every time a bad Ethernet terminator set or bad AUI cable. I But, I agree, the "0000.0006" doesn't look very common to me (IIRC it was = a 0000.7xxx or a 0011.7xxx what I used to see many years ago)i   What does a TEST 0 give then ?   -- n< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888s< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:44:04 -0500 (CDT)m From: sms@antinode.org3 Subject: Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure codes) Message-ID: <00101718440486@antinode.org>T  * From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) > >??  1  00C0  0000.0006d > [...] O > A "?? 1" is almost every time a bad Ethernet terminator set or bad AUI cable.1K > But, I agree, the "0000.0006" doesn't look very common to me (IIRC it wasS? > a 0000.7xxx or a 0011.7xxx what I used to see many years ago)m      On a VAXsta 3138:      Popular "TEST 50" results:@  <    ?? NI       0000.7004   Ethernet BNC port, not connected.A       NI       0000.0001   Ethernet BNC port, connected properly.a<    ?? NI       0011.700E   Ethernet AUI port, not connected.A       NI       0100.0001   Ethernet AUI port, connected properly.n  %    "0000.0006" is unknown to me, too.a  H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)yC    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work) G    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work) 9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)u   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:16:25 GMTa* From: kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie ()3 Subject: Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure codef> Message-ID: <slrn8upqn4.n05.kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie>  J On 18 Oct 2000 01:30:58 +0200, Peter LANGSTOEGER <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote:@ >In article <slrn8upm4q.mbe.kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie>, 3 >      kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie () writes:: >> ?  C  0080  0000.4001 >> ?  7  80A0  0000.4001 >> ?  6  80A1  0000.4001 >>??  1  00C0  0000.0006 >>> >>I can't find any explanation for this code (00C0 0000.0006). >)N >A "?? 1" is almost every time a bad Ethernet terminator set or bad AUI cable.J >But, I agree, the "0000.0006" doesn't look very common to me (IIRC it was> >a 0000.7xxx or a 0011.7xxx what I used to see many years ago) >a >What does a TEST 0 give then ?   G It's being cranky now and locking up every time.  A few days ago, I dids/ a TEST 0 and it froze during the ethernet test.    Later, Kenn   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.582 ************************