1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 18 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 583       Contents: Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards  Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards  Adaptec 2940 on AS 400 Re: Adaptec 2940 on AS 400 Re: Adaptec 2940 on AS 400# Re: ALPHA vs. VAX: system disk size # Re: ALPHA vs. VAX: system disk size B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? Backup crash on older VMS  Backup crash onOVMS 7.1-1H2  Re: Backup crash onOVMS 7.1-1H2  Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: comp.org.encompass.us  File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent4 Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?4 Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?4 how can I get the ip address from a decterm session?8 Re: how can I get the ip address from a decterm session? How to send an SMS message Re: How to send an SMS message Re: How to send an SMS message Re: How to send an SMS message Re: How to send an SMS message Re: Java on Openvms E looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany) Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  Re: OpenVMS Integrated products  OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...  RE: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...$ Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?$ Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?$ Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet? Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? ! Re: read logicals on another node  Re: S/A set and Pro380 console Re: simple cluster question  Sun "uptime" belly laugher! RE: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist ! Re: Sun Hardware problems persist " using RA82 HDA w/RA81 electronics?& Re: using RA82 HDA w/RA81 electronics? VAX emulator Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring? " VMS syslog utility for OpenVMS 7.1& Re: VMS syslog utility for OpenVMS 7.1& RE: VMS syslog utility for OpenVMS 7.1* Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code* Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code* RE: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code	 X Desktop   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:50:13 +0300* From: Erno Palonheimo <esp@vipunen.hut.fi>( Subject: Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards, Message-ID: <uthlmvmgvp6.fsf@vipunen.hut.fi>  ) Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu> writes:   D > Mike, If by "3W3" you mean something like a 13W3 without any smallB > pins (just three larger things in the connector), then I think IB > know what you have.  IBM RS/6000 machines tend to have that sameF > connector.  Basically, it's just red, green, and blue.  With the IBME > stuff, we have cables that have the funky connector on one end, and B > three BNC plugs on the other.  As far as using a PC monitor, you> > could probably do it with any monitor that properly supportsF > sync-on-green, and just connect the R G B lines to their equivalents > on the HD15 connector.  B It's simple, but not that simple...  I've used monitor cables fromB VXT2000 X terminals on RS/6000 machines and I noticed that red andE blue signals are vice-versa, as in, you have to swap red and blue BNC D connectors to get the correct colours.  Of course, this applies onlyC if you hack your cable from an old RS/6000 monitor cable.  Also, be D sure to put green on right pins, because the old monitors seem to be sync-on-green.   --  6 --  Erno Palonheimo <esp@iki.fi> http://iki.fi/esp/ --   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:37:12 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)( Subject: Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cardsL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1810001237120001@user-2iveaj6.dialup.mindspring.com>  i In article <F59H5.968$_7.264702@typhoon.aracnet.com>, "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> wrote:   9 > Michael T. Davis <DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu> wrote: M > >       Are there TurboChannel video cards available that would provide for S > > anything better than 256 colors at 1280x1024?  In particular, I'd be interested 5 > > in 24-bit or 32-bit color at the same resolution.  > I > Just so happens I've been working on a project that involves collecting J > information such as this for a Hobbyist FAQ.  Here is the info I've got,M > unfortuantly I don't know what the current state of support for these cards . > is (some have been dropped by Tru64 I know). > < >    PMAGD-AA     ZLX-E1, 8-Plane 2D/3D, 1280x1024, 72Hz,   1 >                 2 Mpixels graphics memory       ) (This one is also called "HX+", I think.)      : >    PMAGD-BA     ZLX-E2, 24-Plane 2D/3D, 1280x1024, 72Hz,+ >                 2 Mpixels graphics memory  >     B >    PMAGD-CA     ZLX-E3, 24-Plane 2D/3D, 24-bit Z-Buffer,        < >                 1280x1024, 72Hz, 4 Mpixels graphics memory >     A >    PMAGC-AA     ZLX-M1, 24-Plane 3D, Double buffered, Z-Buffer, B >                 1 rendering processor, 4 Mpixels graphics memory > 7 >    PMAGC-BA     ZLX-M2, 24-Plane 3D, 24-bit Z-Buffer, = >                 1280x1024, 72Hz, 8 Mpixels graphics memory, 8 >                 2 rendering processor, double buffered > H >    PMAGC-DA     ZLX-L1, 24-Plane 3D, 24-bit image, 24-bit Z buffering,G >                 24-bit double buffer, 4-Mpixels total graphics memory  > H >    PMAGC-EA     ZLX-L2, 24-Plane 3D, 24-bit image, 24-bit Z buffering,? >                 24-bit double buffer, 4-Mpixels accumulation  < >                 buffering, 8-Mpixels total graphics memory  I The above are all still supported as of VMS 7.1, I think.  See the Open3D ~ SPD.  Also, one of the Open3D bookreader docs has programming info for all of these.  For some reason, I can't find a 7.2 SPD.   N > There are also apparnetly the following cards which I have basically no info > on.  >  >    PMAGB-BA     HX (aka SFB)  K The PMAGB-BA is the overwhelmingly common card for turbochannel machines in  the used market.  But I don't have detailed specs at hand.  If you find an SOC for a DEC 3000-400, you might find something about this card.  The newer SOC for the 600 and 700 models only describes the ZLX cards.     ! >    PMAG-D/PGX   (Not Supported)   L There is also a PMAG-F, sometimes seen at ebay.  I think it might be "PGX+".p The VMS 7.1 release notes have an end-of-support notice for PGX graphics, I assume that applies to PGX+ as well.  2 There's a bit of related information lurking here:F     http://www.phys.ufl.edu/~prescott/linux/alpha/dec3000-sysinfo.html=     http://www.go-organic-baby.com/ebay/hardware_options.html <     ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/misc/dec-docs/index.html  . What is the scope of the FAQ you're compiling?   --   Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:03:26 GMT 2 From: "Mark Ashley" <markhashley@optushome.com.au> Subject: Adaptec 2940 on AS 400 A Message-ID: <ychH5.1138$pG5.5823@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au>    Hi  ) I was wondering if someone could help me. D I have an Alphastation 400 and I have an Adaptec 2940 fast wide SCSI# controller plugged into a PCI slot. B Now I realise that the firmware for the AS400 does not support theB controller for booting, you can't see the devices attached to this controller from SRM.K But I know Linux and even Windoze NT V4 can see the devices attached to the ' controller, after the OS's have booted.   H What I was wondering was: Can I load a device driver under VMS that willL allow me to see this controller and the attached devices? I have a few disksK and a TZ89 attached. If I can do this can someone show me what is needed to  do to load this driver.    Thanks Mark   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:16:13 -0400 % From: "Islandco" <sales@islandco.com> # Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 on AS 400 / Message-ID: <surbajp92c5p81@corp.supernews.com>    Simple answer - not yet !   J I have heard somewhere that Compaq is putting Adaptec drivers in the newer> SRM's - but that was on a rumour I heard and it could be wrong  L FWIW - Buy a Q-logic card - they perform pretty much the same and are only a. little more expensive - Say 53C875 UW PCI SCSI  H You could also use a Symbios Ultra Wide controller whcih should work out cheaper than the Adaptec card    David T    -- Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street 	 Suite 150  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax: 912 201 0096  sales@islandco.com www.islandco.com  C This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and J may be privileged and/or subject to the provisions of privacy legislation.H They are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whomE they are addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended 
 recipient,G please notify Island Computers US Corp immediately and then delete this  message.I You are notified that reliance on, disclosure of, distribution or copying  of this message is prohibited.    ; Mark Ashley <markhashley@optushome.com.au> wrote in message ; news:ychH5.1138$pG5.5823@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au...  > Hi > + > I was wondering if someone could help me. F > I have an Alphastation 400 and I have an Adaptec 2940 fast wide SCSI% > controller plugged into a PCI slot. D > Now I realise that the firmware for the AS400 does not support theD > controller for booting, you can't see the devices attached to this > controller from SRM.I > But I know Linux and even Windoze NT V4 can see the devices attached to  the ) > controller, after the OS's have booted.  > J > What I was wondering was: Can I load a device driver under VMS that willH > allow me to see this controller and the attached devices? I have a few disks J > and a TZ89 attached. If I can do this can someone show me what is needed to > do to load this driver.  >  > Thanks > Mark >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 14:51:50 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)# Subject: Re: Adaptec 2940 on AS 400 , Message-ID: <8skde6$t5r@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  v In article <ychH5.1138$pG5.5823@news1.rdc1.nsw.optushome.com.au>, "Mark Ashley" <markhashley@optushome.com.au> writes:I >What I was wondering was: Can I load a device driver under VMS that will M >allow me to see this controller and the attached devices? I have a few disks L >and a TZ89 attached. If I can do this can someone show me what is needed to >do to load this driver.  L Um, write it first?  As far as I know there is no VMS driver for this card. J There are drivers for it for Linux and NT, which is why it works on those  OS's.     ; You can buy a supported SCSI card directly from Intraserver K (www.intraserver.com), some of which aren't too expensive.  Or you can buy  + the same cards from Compaq at 3X the price.    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:34:14 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman), Subject: Re: ALPHA vs. VAX: system disk size6 Message-ID: <8skftm$e83$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8shtnp$7g7$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:  ..B :First, what would be the minimum size system disk for a VAX, withG :(roughly) the same amount of stuff?  (The VAX system disks I have are   :not fully loaded.)   D   Some (slightly edited) specific details from the OpenVMS V7.2 SPD:  C _Alpha______________Space__________________________________________ C File_Category_______Used______Running_Total________________________   $ Minimum OpenVMS      78 MB     78 MB Alpha files   $ Optional OpenVMS     106      184 MB files               MB  $ DECwindows           32 MB    216 MB Support   $ Paging file          38 MB    254 MB
 (required)  $ Swap file (sug-       3 MB    257 MB gested)   $ Dump file (op-       28 MB    285 MB tional)   $ Decompressed         15 MB    300 MB
 Help files
 (optional)  $ Full DECwindows      90 MB    390 MB Motif V1.2-5
 (optional)  $ Safeguard for        50 MB    440 MB	 upgrading     C _VAX________________Space__________________________________________ C File_Category_______Used______Running_Total________________________   & Minimum OpenVMS      32.0      32.0 MB VAX files            MB   & Optional OpenVMS     52.0      84.0 MB files               MB  & DECwindows           14.0      98.0 MB Support             MB  & Paging file           6.0     104.0 MB (after installa-    MB tion)   & Swap file (sug-       1.2     105.2 MB gested)             MB  & Dump file (op-        6.2     111.4 MB tional)             MB  & Decompressed          7.0     118.4 MB Help files          MB
 (optional)  & Safeguard for        25.0     143.4 MB upgrading           MB  & Variable ad-          3.3     146.7 MB ditional space      MB (additional  files, INDEXF.SYS, etc.)       J :Second, will the minimum size for VAX or ALPHA (1 GB now, I guess) for a : :standard installation increase in the foreseeable future?  ,   Based solely on historical precedent, yes.  D :Third, what is the optimum ratio of free to used space on a disk?  - :Assume that it is defragmented often enough.   F   This depends on what you are writing to the disk, and the particularH   extend-related behaviour of the application(s).  Disks that see littleF   change and have well-targeted extension sizes may run nicely at 100%I   capacity.  Other applications and particularly other applications with  F   very bursty disk data activity can require (one or more) completely    dedicated disk spindles.  D   I personally prefer to keep roughly 10% free at minimum, given theB   usual interactive patterns I've noticed in my environment.  Your2   local requirements may vary (widely), of course.  G   Given the (large) sizes and the (small) prices of larger SCSI disks,  E   why not replace the existing one gigabyte RZ26 disk(s) with larger  F   disks -- I've been regularly acquiring the four gigabyte RZ29 disks J   (4.3GB, actually) as "hand-me-downs" from various local system upgrades.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:24:13 -0400 & From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>, Subject: Re: ALPHA vs. VAX: system disk size7 Message-ID: <S1kH5.5025$5W2.227966@weber.videotron.net>   % I don`t have a definite answer but...   K Alpaha images take up twice as much space as VAX images. So I would say you J need a little less than 2 times as much romm on a Alpha SYS$SYSDEVICE than6 on a VAX`s (since not all finles are .EXE or .OLB etc)  H And I don`t think you need that much spare blocks (I mean, you certainlyE need some, but not in millions of blocks) if you keep your swapfiiles H elsewhere or have them sized correctly already. !00,000 blocks should be plenty.    HTH    Syltrem   7 "Phillip Helbig" <helbig@astro.rug.nl> wrote in message ( news:8shtnp$7g7$1@info.service.rug.nl...I > I have about 120 MB free on my 1 GB (RZ26F) ALPHA system disk.  This is I > a "standard" 7.2-1 installation (upgraded from 7.1, which was installed J > from scratch), i.e. full VMS plus DECwindows, TCPIP services etc.  There7 > are a few layered products, mostly about 4 compilers.  >  > Three questions. > C > First, what would be the minimum size system disk for a VAX, with G > (roughly) the same amount of stuff?  (The VAX system disks I have are  > not fully loaded.) > J > Second, will the minimum size for VAX or ALPHA (1 GB now, I guess) for a; > standard installation increase in the foreseeable future?  > C > Third, what is the optimum ratio of free to used space on a disk?n. > Assume that it is defragmented often enough. >i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:27:52 +0100 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>sK Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?n) Message-ID: <39ED9748.DB3E6E70@bbc.co.uk>?   Curtis Rempel wrote:  L > Although we did not see any crashes, we rolled the kit back today as well,J > under duress I might add, knocking 1500 users off our production clusterM > during prime time.  The kit was installed early Saturday morning and thingseL > started to go really wonky last night (Monday) with backups and OPCOM.  InJ > particular, all backups hanging in RWCSV (CLUSTER_SERVER wedged in LEF),N > SHOW USERS busting across the cluster, and various OWT (other weird things).L > Things got progressively worse and we declared that we were landing on theK > nearest runway without further notice.  Fortunately, it only cost us a 37sK > minute outage, however, that was 37 minutes more than it should have beenmK > and it was pretty painful during that period from a sysadmin perspective.oL > We would have been spared this outage if the Compaq OpenVMS patch list hadJ > been functioning properly - not everybody on the list gets the alerts itN > seems and it's a known problem that Compaq has been working on for some time > to rectify.  Sigh. >   H Much sympathy, except, you did q/a those patches on a development system6 before deploying them on your live systems didn't you?    --o6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of) MedAS or the BBC.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:52:42 GMTc4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?y: Message-ID: <KWhH5.21842$76.506644@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>  : "Tim Llewellyn" <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote in message# news:39ED9748.DB3E6E70@bbc.co.uk..." >l >l > Curtis Rempel wrote: >oH > > Although we did not see any crashes, we rolled the kit back today as well,sL > > under duress I might add, knocking 1500 users off our production clusterH > > during prime time.  The kit was installed early Saturday morning and thingsJ > > started to go really wonky last night (Monday) with backups and OPCOM. InL > > particular, all backups hanging in RWCSV (CLUSTER_SERVER wedged in LEF),G > > SHOW USERS busting across the cluster, and various OWT (other weirdo things).J > > Things got progressively worse and we declared that we were landing on the-J > > nearest runway without further notice.  Fortunately, it only cost us a 37H > > minute outage, however, that was 37 minutes more than it should have been@ > > and it was pretty painful during that period from a sysadmin perspective.J > > We would have been spared this outage if the Compaq OpenVMS patch list hadsL > > been functioning properly - not everybody on the list gets the alerts itK > > seems and it's a known problem that Compaq has been working on for some  time > > to rectify.  Sigh. > >d >uJ > Much sympathy, except, you did q/a those patches on a development system8 > before deploying them on your live systems didn't you? >g  J Development AND test.  Of course, none of this ever shows up until it gets to production right?   :-(s       >  -- 8 > Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project2 > MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.C > Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uki > C > I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofd > MedAS or the BBC.c >s >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:45:15 +0100b- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches?o) Message-ID: <39EDB77B.620DDCE4@bbc.co.uk>i   Curtis Rempel wrote:   > "  > >-L > > Much sympathy, except, you did q/a those patches on a development system: > > before deploying them on your live systems didn't you? > >t >dL > Development AND test.  Of course, none of this ever shows up until it gets > to production right? >< > :-(6 >7  )  Yup, you don't have users for one thing.  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of' MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:54:11 GMTn From: ejheller@my-deja.com" Subject: Backup crash on older VMS) Message-ID: <8skdif$slk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   * I have a client who has an AlphaServer 800/ running OpenVMS 7.1-1H2. When running backup toh. the 4mm DAT drive (TLZ09), backup crashes with0 the ACCVIO with all parameters zero. However, it0 does not always crash. Sometimes - it completes.. By running backup with confirm, I can see that+ the backup gets through several files, then , crashes. Running backup to a saveset on disk2 works just fine. The backup command is similar to:  ( BACKUP/LIS logical_name:[dir1.dir2]files  mka500:save_name.bck/LABEL=label  / Having done my research I saw that the solutiony0 most often suggested was the ECO: ALPBACK05_071.. I installed this without a change in behavior.. Since the system does not have a RAID array, I/ did not install the other ECO's that related to ! the MME problem with RAID arrays.1  ' Any thoughts would be most appreciated.   
 Edward Hellere TransCore, ITS    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.,   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:00:58 GMTr* From: Edward Heller <ejheller@my-deja.com>$ Subject: Backup crash onOVMS 7.1-1H2) Message-ID: <8skdv5$t4g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   C I have a client who has an AlphaServer 800 running OpenVMS 7.1-1H2. E When running backup to the 4mm DAT drive (TLZ09), backup crashes withuG the ACCVIO with all parameters zero. However, it does not always crash.OC Sometimes - it completes. By running backup with confirm, I can seeeA that the backup gets through several files, then crashes. RunninghB backup to a saveset on disk works just fine. The backup command is similar to:X  H BACKUP/LIS logical_name:[dir1.dir2]files ka500:save_name.bck/LABEL=label  D Having done my research I saw that the solution most often suggested@ was the ECO: ALPBACK05_071. I installed this without a change in@ behavior. Since the system does not have a RAID array, I did notA install the other ECO's that related to the MME problem with RAID  arrays.s  ' Any thoughts would be most appreciated.t --
 Edward HellerG TransCore, ITS Atlanta, GA, USA    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:13:06 -0400:& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>( Subject: Re: Backup crash onOVMS 7.1-1H27 Message-ID: <qTjH5.5020$5W2.227656@weber.videotron.net>   L DEC has introduced many changes since version 6.2 in the backup utility, and some may cause problems.  I What you might want to try is to restore a pre version 6.2 backup.exe and-K try it. If I remember correctly, that's what we were doing before upgradingrH to 7.2 (for other reasons than yours) and never had problems with Oracle. backups to tape. That should work for you too.  A In version 7.2-1 backups run fine with image file identification: 
 "AXP72-1R001"0   Syltrem   7 "Edward Heller" <ejheller@my-deja.com> wrote in messageC# news:8skdv5$t4g$1@nnrp1.deja.com...wE > I have a client who has an AlphaServer 800 running OpenVMS 7.1-1H2.'G > When running backup to the 4mm DAT drive (TLZ09), backup crashes withxI > the ACCVIO with all parameters zero. However, it does not always crash.fE > Sometimes - it completes. By running backup with confirm, I can seevC > that the backup gets through several files, then crashes. RunninghD > backup to a saveset on disk works just fine. The backup command is
 > similar to:e > J > BACKUP/LIS logical_name:[dir1.dir2]files ka500:save_name.bck/LABEL=label >-F > Having done my research I saw that the solution most often suggestedB > was the ECO: ALPBACK05_071. I installed this without a change inB > behavior. Since the system does not have a RAID array, I did notC > install the other ECO's that related to the MME problem with RAIDe	 > arrays.n >e) > Any thoughts would be most appreciated.h > -- > Edward Hellero > TransCore, ITS > Atlanta, GA, USA >r >m( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 09:06:54 GMT- From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet-DOT.-be (BMcN)e" Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us+ Message-ID: <8FD173E9ABMcN@212.100.160.123>S  = Hey! tillman_brian (Brian Tillman) you went and wrote message9J <39e4c228@news.si.com> and forced me to type some nonsense in response...    >Jerry Leslie wrote: >e' >>Jeff Killeen (Jeff@Killeen.cc) wrote:/B >>: If anyone knows how to get a "comp.org.encompass.us" newsgroupH >>: created I would appreciate it.  I don't have the knowledge or cycles >>: to do it...  >>:t >>:e >> >>< >>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/& >>How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup > E >Since I can read a FAQ as well as the next guy, I volunteer to beginn >this process.  G Will having a new group not detract from comp.org.decus? I'd be really >J unhappy to see it becoming USA vs rest-of-the-world. Alternatively, we're K likely to end up with 90% of articles cross-posted to the decus NG and the h
 new group.   -- h+ Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>bel  - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe (')t - F.Z.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:13:23 -0400'& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>" Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us2 Message-ID: <8skb64$689$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>  K FYI - Encompass has already had requests from DECUS groups around the worldeI about the possibility of licensing the Encompass name.  It is Encompass's K intent to license the name to other groups who want to use it at no cost...a   --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================-  : "BMcN" <brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet-DOT.-be> wrote in message% news:8FD173E9ABMcN@212.100.160.123...M= Hey! tillman_brian (Brian Tillman) you went and wrote messageeI <39e4c228@news.si.com> and forced me to type some nonsense in response...w   >Jerry Leslie wrote: >s' >>Jeff Killeen (Jeff@Killeen.cc) wrote:eB >>: If anyone knows how to get a "comp.org.encompass.us" newsgroupH >>: created I would appreciate it.  I don't have the knowledge or cycles >>: to do it...  >>:a >>:  >> >>< >>http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/creating-newsgroups/part1/& >>How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup > E >Since I can read a FAQ as well as the next guy, I volunteer to beginv >this process.  F Will having a new group not detract from comp.org.decus? I'd be reallyI unhappy to see it becoming USA vs rest-of-the-world. Alternatively, we'refJ likely to end up with 90% of articles cross-posted to the decus NG and the
 new group.   --+ Reply to brian<dot>mcneil<at>easynet<dot>be.  - The crux of the biscuit is the Apostrophe ('), - F.Z.   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 14:21:57 GMT- From: brian-DOT-mcneil@easynet-DOT.-be (BMcN)d" Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us+ Message-ID: <8FD1A8DD5BMcN@212.100.160.123>D  > Hey! Jeff@IDM-IO.com (Jeff Killeen) you went and wrote messageA <8skb64$689$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net> and forced me to type somer nonsense in response...   F >FYI - Encompass has already had requests from DECUS groups around theD >world about the possibility of licensing the Encompass name.  It isG >Encompass's intent to license the name to other groups who want to useP >it at no cost...  >_   Thanks, I wasn't aware of that!_ >--_ >_ >  >i1 >Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)_F >=====================================================================   <snip>   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:29:20 -04003% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> " Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us$ Message-ID: <39edcf5b$1@news.si.com>  9 >Will having a new group not detract from comp.org.decus?   > The proposal I'll write will be to replace comp.org.decus withL comp.org.encompass (or ...encompass.us, as Jeff wants).  Personally, I thinkL that the former is better than the latter.  If other chapters form, let them/ propose a restructuring of the group hierarchy._  E By the way, thanks to those who have sent me pointers to the "How to" L documents.  I'm working on it, but it may take a few weeks, because I have a real job, too. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.coms= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:49:15 GMT. From: dalecoy@my-deja.com " Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us) Message-ID: <8skka9$3cl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  9 I presume that somebody will check with the owners of thehF "encompass.org" domain (an environmental magazine in Alberta, Canada),H to make sure they don't object to the creation of comp.org.encompass for. use by computer organizations named encompass.   Or that it doesn't matter.  2 In article <8roqs2$bgc$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>,)   "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@Killeen.cc> wrote:wH > If anyone knows how to get a "comp.org.encompass.us" newsgroup created IlH > would appreciate it.  I don't have the knowledge or cycles to do it... >  > -- >  > Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.ccOG > =====================================================================t >i >d    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:20:04 +0100u0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com>! Subject: File Comparison - Urgento, Message-ID: <39EDB194.58833CD9@jpmorgan.com>  F I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a file comparison utility on VMS.g+ We have two text files ( comma delimited ).iF Say each file has 4 columns ( varying number of columns handling would
 be good ).G And you want to compare the first 3 columns and ignore the 4th. ( being-< able to specify columns to ignore would be good also.......)   i.e    File1e	 ---------a A,B,C,DM 1,2,3,1r X,Y,Z,Of     File2z -------- A,B,C,Z- 1,2,3,9- X,Y,D,O-    E If these 2 files were compared using the method I've tried to outlined3 the utility would report that line 3 was a failure.i  E Its the equivalent of doing a cut in Unix and piping the results intoaG diff. I know how to do that but I'd appreciate any help on how to do it F in VMS. We need the utility for some testing so the faster the better. Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:19:41 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgentm+ Message-ID: <8skf2o$3h0@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>   d "Robert Taylor" <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> wrote in message news:39EDB194.58833CD9@jpmorgan.com...H > I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a! > file comparison utility on VMS.r  H Grab a copy of Perl: see http://www.sidhe.org/vmsperl/  for information, and write a simple script:  ] perl -w -n -e "chop; (@line = split /,/); print join(',',@line[0..2]),""\n""" t1.txt > t1.cmpw  I is an extremely rough cut. You can make two new files and DIFF 'em, or dot0 the whole job in one with a bit of extra coding.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:01:20 +0100 0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com>% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgent , Message-ID: <39EDC950.9CE56173@jpmorgan.com>  g I'm sure its pretty straightforward in perl or C or whatever. But I would still prefer to do it in DCL. [ I'm not sure what procedures I would have to go through in order to get Perl on our system.n     Richard Brodie wrote:-  f > "Robert Taylor" <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> wrote in message news:39EDB194.58833CD9@jpmorgan.com...J > > I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a# > > file comparison utility on VMS.b >cJ > Grab a copy of Perl: see http://www.sidhe.org/vmsperl/  for information, > and write a simple script: >,_ > perl -w -n -e "chop; (@line = split /,/); print join(',',@line[0..2]),""\n""" t1.txt > t1.cmp. >hK > is an extremely rough cut. You can make two new files and DIFF 'em, or doy2 > the whole job in one with a bit of extra coding.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:27:57 +0200F, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>= Subject: Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?y+ Message-ID: <8sjg00$1540$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>n  , There is no need for a separate commandfile:  & <r.m@mailandnews.com> wrote in message' news:39ec8f0c.8830918@news-2.csn.net...o. > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:43:14 -0400, JF Mezei' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:m >p > >Phillip Helbig wrote: > >>
     .........o  > > My solution involves pipes and a separate command procedure. >l > $ read sys$pipe line# > $ line = f$element(2, " ", line )  > $ assign/job 'line total >q3 > call it what you like then use the following pipeg > / > pipe dir/total | search sys$input file | @teet >s   Use:  1 $ pipe dir/total/grand | search sys$pipe file | -sJ     ( read sys$pipe line ; line = f$element(2, " ", line ) ; def/job total &line )e  B Remember to put spaces around the semicolons. The & is not a typo!   Regards,  	 Bart Zorny   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:23:36 GMTe* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>= Subject: Re: get the number of files in a directory with DCL?c) Message-ID: <8sk88i$np7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  + In article <8sjg00$1540$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>,g/   "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl> wrote:-. > There is no need for a separate commandfile: > ( > <r.m@mailandnews.com> wrote in message) > news:39ec8f0c.8830918@news-2.csn.net...b0 > > On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 04:43:14 -0400, JF Mezei) > > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:  > >d > > >Phillip Helbig wrote: > > >> >     .........g >a@ > > My solution involves pipes and a separate command procedure. > >m > > $ read sys$pipe line% > > $ line = f$element(2, " ", line )  > > $ assign/job 'line total > >h5 > > call it what you like then use the following pipe  > >a1 > > pipe dir/total | search sys$input file | @teeF > >  >H > Use: >s3 > $ pipe dir/total/grand | search sys$pipe file | -oF >     ( read sys$pipe line ; line = f$element(2, " ", line ) ; def/job totald	 > &line )-  ? Make sure you don't have DIR defined as a symbol that adds filec> information. E.g., DIRECTORY/SIZE/TOTAL runs a lot slower thanF DIRECTORY/TOTAL. You can use DIREZZZ/TOTAL, e.g., since DCL only readsH the first four letters of the first token if that token is not a symbol.  E It is faster because wihtout the qualifiers like /SIZE and /DATE, thelC system doesn't have to look for information in the file headers; itaF just has to count files listed in the .DIR file. Even though the size,E date, etc., are not displayed with /TOTAL, DIRECTORY runs slower witht& /SIZE, /DATE, etc. (Tested on VMS 6.1)   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)e dellnet.com    User: But it said it printed!e, Me:   You can't believe everything you read.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:53:58 -0500 (CDT)i From: rmegee@tqtx.comH= Subject: how can I get the ip address from a decterm session?l2 Message-ID: <200010181353.IAA02034@exwin.tqtx.com>  M Given the process id of a decterm session, i need to determine the ip address0I used.  I've tried the methods that work for telnet sessions but they onlyR return an empty value.     Anyone have any suggestions?   Thanks   Robert Megee -- .O ===============================================================================cB               We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities.B                                              -- Walt Kelly, "Pogo"O ===============================================================================o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:06:41 GMT-= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) A Subject: Re: how can I get the ip address from a decterm session?.0 Message-ID: <009F1C7B.F53F2C36@SendSpamHere.ORG>  J In article <200010181353.IAA02034@exwin.tqtx.com>, rmegee@tqtx.com writes:N >Given the process id of a decterm session, i need to determine the ip addressJ >used.  I've tried the methods that work for telnet sessions but they only >return an empty value.  m  H DECterms don't have IP addresses.  DECterms are X client apps that will G run on your X server but it's the X server to client connection that ishB cognizant of the existance of an IP transport and not the DECterm.  H For example, I have an account on the DECUServe Alpha (eisner.DECUS.org)H and I launch/open a DECterm on the DECUServe Alpha that displays back onH my Alpha.  The DECterm is an FTA device and has no access port name.  ItH runs on the DECUServe Alpha.  The display is targetted at my Alpha.  The9 X server knows about this connection as can be seen here:o   $ UCX SHOW DEVICEe=                             Port                       Remotev< Device_socket  Type    Local  Remote  Service           Host   :l   : G   bg75        STREAM    6000    1055  X-server         EISNER.DECUS.ORGhG   bg77        STREAM    6000    2242  X-server         EISNER.DECUS.ORG    :v   :j    F Assuming that a SET DISPLAY has not been entered in the process assoc-& iated with the DECterm, you could use:   $ SHOW DISPLAY   in the DECterm session.>   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.4   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:47:22 +0200z From: "Wim" <wim@rdc.nl># Subject: How to send an SMS messaget* Message-ID: <8sk2ko$ddj$1@news1.xs4all.nl>  J Hello I would like to get a message on my cell phone if something happends on one of our vaxes or alphas.E I have a phonenumber from a sms message provider and when I do it thed8 interactive way everything works fine, but not in batch.* This is an example of the interactive way.     $ Set Host/Dte Lta7000::% %REM-I-TOQUIT, connection establishedt  - Press Ctrl/\ to quit, Ctrl/@ for command mode    atzR OK atdt 0654545000  CONNECT 2400  : Some text asking me for the phone number of the cell phone >1234567890 ( example input )a3 Some text asking for the message max 160 charactersa >Test,4 Some telling me that the message is succesfuly send.
 NO CARRIERL But when I do it in an DCL procedure everything is send at once, I dont know" how to put delays in the com file.  ' Can anyone please give me som pointers.2   Many thanks in advance     Regards Wim K.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:03:00 -0400c- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>h' Subject: Re: How to send an SMS messagep, Message-ID: <39ED9165.8C22887D@videotron.ca>  
 Wim wrote: > atza > OK > atdt 0654545000f > CONNECT 2400 > < > Some text asking me for the phone number of the cell phone > >1234567890 ( example input )u5 > Some text asking for the message max 160 charactersn > >Testa6 > Some telling me that the message is succesfuly send. > NO CARRIER    3 Try Kermit. It has powerful scripting capabilities.4  N You may also want to look into some TAP software, it is a more robust protocol for sending SMS messages.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:56:04 +0100t& From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>' Subject: Re: How to send an SMS messagel* Message-ID: <39ED8FD4.5F2479C3@Compaq.com>  
 Wim wrote:  L > Hello I would like to get a message on my cell phone if something happends  > on one of our vaxes or alphas.G > I have a phonenumber from a sms message provider and when I do it the2: > interactive way everything works fine, but not in batch.   [... snip snip ...]e  < Many ways to skin that cat.  Consider using a frog: KERMIT !  	 Roy Omonds Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)a   ------------------------------  , Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:32:09 +0200 (CEST): From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>' Subject: Re: How to send an SMS messagenJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010181415390.27970-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>   On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, Wim wrote:-  K +Hello I would like to get a message on my cell phone if something happendsl +on one of our vaxes or alphas.:F +I have a phonenumber from a sms message provider and when I do it the9 +interactive way everything works fine, but not in batch.e+ +This is an example of the interactive way.t +y +$ Set Host/Dte Lta7000: [...]   	  Oooops !i8  Do you say, you use SET HOST also in batch procedure ??   [....]M +But when I do it in an DCL procedure everything is send at once, I dont knowr# +how to put delays in the com file.e  =  ?? At first a delays is not needed. At second you must know:q $ HELP WAITe  ;  But, if I am suspect right, you have start with wrong way.w    Check:    $ OPEN/READ/WRITE IO LTA7000:s $ i=0x $flush:v $ i=i+1tC $ if i.lt.20 then pipe read/time=0 IO line/error=flush ; goto flushc $ write IO "ATZ" $ read  IO linea $ show symbol line ! [1] $ write IO "atdt 0654545000" $ read  IO linei $ show symbol line ! [1] [...]e    and check what heppens.=  Atlhought the (mentioned here) KERMIT capability of build-ine6 "wait for specified string" may be simple to implement4 the "wait for string" function, with something like:  ) $ READ/TIMEOUT=12/ERROR=CHECK_ERR IO LINE   6 you *can* from raw DCL run all the same functionality.  6  For [1]: it is possible, than when "CRLF" is in place7 as response string from the modem (or other device) butU2 only "CR" required from terminal server - the "LF"7 becomes a part of next line (means: except 1. all linest* starts with LF) what you can correct with:  $ LF="" ! Somewhere on beginning $ LF[0,8]=10 ...-$ $ read IO line/timeout=.../error=...! $ line=line-LF ! after any "read"=  ( +Can anyone please give me som pointers.  3  To prevent monotony (KERMIT in rest of mail) will s propose "raw" DCL -:)1    Regards - Gotfryd   -- nE =====================================================================dF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEf. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 11:58:44 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)i' Subject: Re: How to send an SMS messagee0 Message-ID: <8sk39k$6q7$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  E In article <8sk2ko$ddj$1@news1.xs4all.nl>, "Wim" <wim@rdc.nl> writes:nK >Hello I would like to get a message on my cell phone if something happendsi >on one of our vaxes or alphas.lF >I have a phonenumber from a sms message provider and when I do it the9 >interactive way everything works fine, but not in batch.i+ >This is an example of the interactive way.o >h >i >$ Set Host/Dte Lta7000:& >%REM-I-TOQUIT, connection established >-. >Press Ctrl/\ to quit, Ctrl/@ for command mode >- >atz >OKn >atdt 0654545000
 >CONNECT 2400c >.; >Some text asking me for the phone number of the cell phoneD >>1234567890 ( example input )4 >Some text asking for the message max 160 characters >>Test5 >Some telling me that the message is succesfuly send.e >NO CARRIER M >But when I do it in an DCL procedure everything is send at once, I dont knowa# >how to put delays in the com file.  >o( >Can anyone please give me som pointers.  L I would strongly recommend to use C-Kermit for this task. Or, but a lot moreL overhead, you could write a real program that is able to read input from theF modem and react accordingly. DCL is certainly not the right tool here.   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:19:39 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> Subject: Re: Java on Openvms* Message-ID: <39EDCD9B.EDDED490@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:  > , > In article <39EB3430.2E58AE86@uk.sun.com>,4 > andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: > >Hoff Hoffman wrote: > >>| > >> In article <Fb4F5.1527$9T4.80301@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>, "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> writes: > >> :Is JAVA free on OpenVMS? > >> > >>   Yes.e > >> > >> :How do I get it? > >>L > >>   As part of OpenVMS Alpha V7.2 and later, and via download for OpenVMS > >>   Alpha V7.1 and later. > >> > >> :Is it any good?- > >> > >>   It's Java.e > >> > > 9 > >Umm well yes and no. The devil is in the detail and it 5 > >all depends on the Java implimentation on OpenVMS.b > >  > < > This is an example of how Andrew likes to spread FUD here. > 3 Oh dear oh dear. I know that you really don't like o5 facts if they are uncomfortable for you as an OpenVMSq5 advocate but I didn't realise that you automatically e6 assume that uncomfortable facts are automatically FUD.  5 What was unfactual about my posting. Lets review the r
 situation.  5 1.   There are a number of different versions of Java-      1.2.x 1.3 etc. FACT.K  5 2.   Some applications "but not all" only run or are =<      only qualified on specific JVM releases 1.2.x, 1.3 etc.
      FACT.  7 3.   There are applications that only work or have only 8      been qualified on 1.3, I am building a platform for9      one application that falls into this category for anU)      investment bank at the moment. FACT.r  ; 4.   The FastVM is not currently available as a production n9      release for OpenVMS. FACT. Though no doubt you thinkv      this is FUD.c  9 5.   If you want the fastest production JVM on Alpha fromb;      Compaq then you need to use Tru64. FACT. More FUD ????p  ; 6.   The unavailability of 1.2.X on OpenVMS until recently p:      has caused people posting to this group problems and 8      has let to people dropping support for OpenVMS, an ?      example was also posted on this group of a German ExchangesA      who have dropped OpenVMS because of poor Java Support. FACT. !      More FUD ???????????????????u  < 7.   The JVM support for OpenVMS has lagged Tru64 and other ;      OS platforms, not by a little but by a lot. The 1.2.X e?      production release for OpenVMS is roughly 12 months behindt=      the rest of the market. FACT. More FUD ?????????????????-0      ???????????????????????????????????????????  > 8.   OpenVMS users/developers and admins have complained about>      this on this newsgroup. FACT. More FUD ??????????????????>      ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????>      ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????    I > In no way can you say that the 1.2 Java that's available for OpenVMS isiF > NOT Java, but that's exactly what he's saying above.  In response toI > the statement "It's Java" he says "yes and no", which implies that "no"; > is in some way true.  G Of course 1.2.x is Java but it isn't the latest release of Java 1.3 is. B 1.3 has been available for some time and because of this there areC some applications will not run on 1.2.x or have not been qualified  D for it. This was the same situation when the most current release of Java j? on OpenVMS was 1.1.X with 1.2.x being widely available on other 
 platforms.  - FACT. More FUD ??????????????????????????????g  B Oracle 7 is Oracle but I am sure you would be the first person to D criticise me if for example someone had asked if Oracle ran on such G and such OS and I had answered yes Oracle does run on such and such OS  G without pointing out that only Oracle 7 was available and not 8.0.x/8i.C  H > So, Andrew has succeeded in spreading Fear Uncertainty and Doubt about > using Java on OpenVMS. > I > Of course, Compaq has stated their commitment to Java, cross platforms,.G > but is a little behind Sun (surprise surprise) and IBM.  I wonder how-J > many _deployed_ applications require Java 1.3 today?  Probably not many.J > In the meantime, you can certainly develop on the Compaq platforms while > they Compaq plays catch up.  >   B Your choice of phrase "a little behind" would not be one that manyC people would endorse though it does go a long way towards expainingrB why appear to have such difficulty with FACTS. I don't think that A a year late and without a production accelerated VM is what many  A people would describe as "a little behind" nor is it a view that t? has been shared by the posters to this newsgroup who have been  A complaining about the delays in getting 1.2.X on OpenVMS for thatc period.m  B I don't know how many 1.3 only apps there are, I do know that the / one I am working on at the moment is a 1.3 app.     @ > >OpenVMS does support Java 1.2.x but this is only a relatively > >recent change.t > >qC > >However 1.3 FCS is out on other platforms Solaris, Win32 and AIXrC > >to my knowledge and some applications require 1.3 incedentally al+ > >pre-beta version is available for Tru64.d > >pH > >There is also the question as to how fast the 1.2.x JVM is on OpenVMS@ > >Compaq appear to have concentrated their efforts on Tru64 and< > >at the moment there is a not a supported JVM with the the> > >FastVM for OpenVMS though there is a beta version available > >for download. > >c< > >So if for example you are wedded to AlphaServers but want8 > >the Compaq OS with the best support for Java then you, > >would have no choice but to choose Tru64. > >@9 > >If you didn't care which OS or HW platform you ran butt8 > >just wanted the best supported JVM then you would not" > >choose either Tru64 or OpenVMS. > >t > ; > So, what is the "best" supported JVM?  I bet it'll alwaysz' > be a product of Sun Microsystems Inc.  > < No you would be wrong, Sun claims to have the best supported: JVM, IBM also makes this claim, I would not like the make  a call on it.   ; > I guess this is why so there is so much concern about SunnG > controlling the Java 'standards'.  Like Microsoft they can change thepG > standards at any time and then point to all of their poor competitors  > who can't keep up. > 9 Ohh dear ohh dear, that is not how it has worked. Sun is p8 the final arbiter of what is in the Java SPEC but no one= to my knowledge except Microsoft and a few Microsoft boostersl< have suggested that Sun controls the standard to get a jump 8 on our competition. People are afraid that we might but . there is no evidence that it has happened yet.  8 In fact most of the other vendors are only too happy to 7 submit their technology proposals for inclusion in the a1 Java standard, IBM for example have been a major o contributor.  7 The fact that OpenVMS has not kept up has nothing to doD5 with the Java standardisation process and everything p9 to do with the ammount of resources Compaq have committedE to Java on OpenVMS.   ; IBM for example have the 1.3 production JVM and have had ite: available for a similar time as Sun. Your suggestion that < Sun controls the Java standard for its own benefit does not 3 seem to have prevented them from being up to date. -  < If you really think this then you have a great career ahead 9 of you in marketing at Microsoft you could even get a jobr as a Microsoft spokesman.s   Regards0 Andrew Harrison4 Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 09:31:15 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)N Subject: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany). Message-ID: <8sjql3$pc5$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H I started looking into this about a year ago, but then had to put it on H the backburner for a while.  I had made contact with two companies back H then, but neither have replied to recent emails (not a good sign).  I'm F looking for companies who can provide me with static IP addresses and I dial-out AND dial-in on demand.  I want to put VMS machines behind this, -" but that shouldn't matter to them.  F Does anyone have the names of any companies in Germany which would be  able to do this?     --M Phillip Helbig                       Email .............. helbig@astro.rug.nl2M Kapteyn Instituut                    Email ................. helbig@man.ac.ukmM Rijksuniversiteit Groningen          Tel. ................... +31 50 363 6647aM Postbus 800                          Fax .................... +31 50 363 6100sM NL-9700 AV Groningen                 Web ... http://www.astro.rug.nl/~helbig/   5 My opinions are not necessarily those of my employer.h  N <A HREF=" http://gladia.astro.rug.nl:8000/helbig/hire/hire.html ">HIRE ME!</A>  = Reward: one month of salary (yours or mine---take your pick)!n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:15:24 GMTy= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)mR Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany)0 Message-ID: <009F1C64.075F4EC6@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <39ED9086.9B177364@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Roy Omond wrote: N >> However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many in this newsgroupK >> have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need static addresses.  >2K >YOu need a static address if you want to run an SMTP server on your box toPO >receive mail directly and route them locally. Without a static address, POP is   H Not necessarily!  If you can get folks to address mail to you using yourH dynamically assigned IP address, you can get mail via SMTP.  It's going F to present a problem, however, if the IP address changes often.  ThereG are dynamic DNS service providers which can help in this regard by pro-1I viding a name and a way to update the DNS when/if the IP address changes.g  N >the only solution and it is a pain since you must go fetch your pop mailboxes: >individually art regular intervals and route it manually. > B >You also can't run a web server (and more importantly cgi stuff).  G Again, why not?  You certainly can run a web server.  Finding it is theh8 problem.  The dynamic DNS provider can also simply this.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 08:47:22 -0500f) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> R Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany)/ Message-ID: <surabbp5ebev50@corp.supernews.com>d  J "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" <system@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote in message* news:009F1C64.075F4EC6@SendSpamHere.ORG...7 > In article <39ED9086.9B177364@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeie& <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > >Roy Omond wrote:oF > >> However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many in this	 newsgroupCB > >> have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need static
 addresses. > > J > >YOu need a static address if you want to run an SMTP server on your box toJ > >receive mail directly and route them locally. Without a static address, POP is <snip> > >iD > >You also can't run a web server (and more importantly cgi stuff). > I > Again, why not?  You certainly can run a web server.  Finding it is thes: > problem.  The dynamic DNS provider can also simply this.  K For web serving, the LINUX folks have written a HOW-TO on this.  They use a6I script to detect when the DHCP address changes, and then they send an FTPdH update to the static front page that the ISP provides, that changes it's- links to redirect them to the new IP address.   J You can even use a web page to redirect file uploads and downloads to your
 home machine.o  9 There are even programs available for Windoze to do this.   L E-mail of course requires a DNS that can accept the updates, but web serving	 does not.h  L Also with DHCP, you usually keep the same address unless you disconnect fromJ the network for longer then the lease time, or the ISP shuts down the DHCP# server for the same length of time.0   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 17:48:34 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)R Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany). Message-ID: <8sknpi$4f5$2@info.service.rug.nl>  4 In article <39ED7EB4.8BAE885B@Compaq.com>, Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com> writes: m  M > However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many in this newsgroupiJ > have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need static addresses.M > I personally would recommend the Netgear family of routers.  They're cheap,oL > a dawdle to setup, flexible, support NAT (a definite prerequisite for your= > situation), and well supported.  That's what I use at home.o  H Will this allow IP access on demand from outside and inside and allow a H domain name to be associated with my stuff?  Is NAT compatible with VMS?   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 17:49:14 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)R Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany). Message-ID: <8sknqq$4f5$3@info.service.rug.nl>  5 In article <39ED9086.9B177364@videotron.ca>, JF Mezeie' <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: e   > Roy Omond wrote:O > > However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many in this newsgroupiL > > have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need static addresses. > L > YOu need a static address if you want to run an SMTP server on your box toP > receive mail directly and route them locally. Without a static address, POP isO > the only solution and it is a pain since you must go fetch your pop mailboxese; > individually art regular intervals and route it manually.t > C > You also can't run a web server (and more importantly cgi stuff).0  @ Right, so to do what I want, at least with VMS (the only serious' choice), I need static IP addresses....g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:43:01 +0100s& From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>Q Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)=* Message-ID: <39ED7EB4.8BAE885B@Compaq.com>   Phillip Helbig wrote:L  I > I started looking into this about a year ago, but then had to put it onlI > the backburner for a while.  I had made contact with two companies back I > then, but neither have replied to recent emails (not a good sign).  I'mtG > looking for companies who can provide me with static IP addresses andMJ > dial-out AND dial-in on demand.  I want to put VMS machines behind this,$ > but that shouldn't matter to them. >@G > Does anyone have the names of any companies in Germany which would bef > able to do this?  G Phillip, I've been out of Germany for too long to know about ISPs theree  (I lived there from '78 to '95).  K However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many in this newsgroupfH have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need static addresses.K I personally would recommend the Netgear family of routers.  They're cheap,-J a dawdle to setup, flexible, support NAT (a definite prerequisite for your; situation), and well supported.  That's what I use at home.i  	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)l   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 07:59:16 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>eQ Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)e, Message-ID: <39ED9086.9B177364@videotron.ca>   Roy Omond wrote:M > However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many in this newsgroupaJ > have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need static addresses.  J YOu need a static address if you want to run an SMTP server on your box toN receive mail directly and route them locally. Without a static address, POP isM the only solution and it is a pain since you must go fetch your pop mailboxes 9 individually art regular intervals and route it manually.6  A You also can't run a web server (and more importantly cgi stuff).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:06:30 +0100h& From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com>Q Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany):* Message-ID: <39EDAE66.DCE53EAF@Compaq.com>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:   > [... snip snip ...]C  8 Exactly !  That was my point.  Thanks for expressing it.  	 Roy Omond9 Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)k   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:53:09 GMT2 From: richard_maher@my-deja.coml( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products( Message-ID: <8skh11$2s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   Hi,n  C I'm obviously being as articulate as a not very articulate thing. I F agree with everything you've just written but what *you* don't seem toD realize is that VMS *already* has a standard transaction API and hasE had for ten years. It's called DECdtm! Unfortunately to date, most ofaG the DECdtm API has been concealed from customers by petty little empire C builders and their cynical attempts at extortion. Also, please note F that unlike an RTL the DECdtm API consists of system services that canC be called from inner modes for those resource managers and customerhF applications that may require it. Critically, DECdtm is also fast! ButF this speed will be jeopardized if RTR has to write txn/url info to its1 journal in addition to the prevailing DECdtm i/o.n  F What Compaq needs to do now is redress the atrophy inflicted on DECdtmG in its wilderness years! Like it or not VMS is currently playing catch-xD up to Microsoft and Tandem with eBusiness and internet transactions.E The Transaction Internet Protocol world is upon us. It's time for VMS D to cross the Rubicon or perish. What we should be talking about hereC is "How can UCX IPv6 help our DECdtm/TIP implementation achieve TLSaD (Transport Layer Security)?" or "DECdtm's new multiplexing algorithmG has given us an X tps increase in performance!" Instead all efforts areuC being expended trying to repel captain RTR's syphilitic hoards fromT boarding the good ship TIP :-(  E Now, a lot of you seem to get your jollies slagging off Microsoft (OhpF did I laugh the 1000th time I read Micro$hit) but remember this, it isE VMS management that is forcing developers to buy/use RTR if they wanteD to get TIP, whereas Microsoft has said "We strongly suggest that youD use COM+ but if you don't want to, and you'd like to choose your ownE 2nd pipe then here's DtcGetTransactionManagerEx et al - Have fun with D our URLs." What is even worse (inconceivable) is that VMS managementE seriously expects customers to install RTR on *every* server involvedUG in a transaction - Disbelief! Let me see - I'm running Windows 2000, do 0 I use a) MTS or b) RTR? Oh, the inner turmoil!!!  F One day soon an XML page, a COM+ object invocation or a Socket messageE is going to arrive at your VMS server's doorstep with an embedded TIP ) URL. What are you going to do about it????   Regards Richard Mahern    , In article <39E61890.F2FE1A2D@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:" > richard_maher@my-deja.com wrote:F > > these sort of, what are in my opinion, anti-competitive practices. StopB > > Compaq from cross-funding and having to perform an embarassingE > > unbundling or RTR after paying everyone elses legal expenses frome > > *your* license fees. >eG > I see your point of view. However, to be the devil's advocate, havingo a single> > standard API to ensure transcation routing on VMS will spurr development ofE > applications that use this API. And knowing that all VMS sites have  that APIG > available means that applications that are written to use will run onu any VMS D > box without forcing the customer to buy another piece of software. > E > This is similar in principle, in my opinion, to providing the C andh othercA > compiler RTLs with the VMS system instead of with the compiler.o >.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:37:18 +0100a0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>( Subject: Re: OpenVMS Integrated products* Message-ID: <39EDC3AE.897599B1@uk.sun.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote: > _ > In article <39EB2DF0.95580175@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:p > >r@ > > I for one am unsurprised that there appears to be widespread> > > disinterest in supporting OpenVMS in the GNU/Free software; > > community. After all you can hardly expect much supportp? > > from a community whose prefered methods and tools have beene8 > > so comprehensively trashed by posters to this group. > > 8 > > On one hand you get people saying things like, C/C++9 > > Linux/UNIX UUUUUUKKKKKKKK only a braindead programmerw9 > > would contemplate using any of the above while at the.8 > > same time whining because the same programmers don't; > > show due deferance to the almighty OpenVMS by includingg( > > support for it in their source code. > E > Andrew, I would discount that as a reason because none of the postsnE > saying "most free software is junk" have provoked a response saying D > "no it isn't".  Why some individual might read the first statementF > and just retreat back to Unixland, I cannot believe that _all_ would > do so. > I > I conclude that comp.os.vms posts do not get read by many Unix boostersc > other than yourself.  ? Oh come on Larry you know perfectly well that the UNIX is Crap h> and C is an abomination from hell view is pervasive in OpenVMS@ circles and is not just confined to OpenVMS boosters posting to @ this group. Nor is this a remotely recent development after all = Chairman Ken set the tone some time ago and nothing much has 6@ changed since except that the boosters have got more despairing.  < Now I am happy to accept that UNIX advocates have also been = quite happy to trash OpenVMS but then OpenVMS is the OS that b> now needs the help of the people whose chosen OS is UNIX/LinuxA and whose chosen language is C/C++ and not the other way arround.h     Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:18:29 -0200m) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra% Subject: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...nL Message-ID: <OF6890C3BE.DDF50E5B-ON8325697C.00633BC0@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H I think OpenVMS is becoming a Frankenstein .... these  "ports" from the=   Unix world are notH  working fine in my vision because there=B4s no real acceptance from th= e oldc VMS managers  in these new technologies.s  A But OVMS needs to become "modern"  for  all markets.... and thesei improvments areaH needed ....  in my personal opinion, Java will be a great tool to redev= elop old productsE and to create others ..... but just port from Unix wil not work ! Thel products must be) redeveloped using the  OpenVMS structure.   H I talked a few time ago: C++, Basic,  and other developemnt  products f= or OVMS must become$  visual ! ! !  Management tools too.  H  The "developers" market is not interested in VT based development. The=   visual@ languages are good for quick  programming and some of them offer portability features.i  F The "reborn" will not work with 450.000 system managers  asking for VT based applications etc ...e   It=B4s my personal opinion   FC.u         =-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:50:56 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> ) Subject: RE: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...eD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD85D@berry.mvpsi.com>  F If you want a visual development environment for VMS, take a look at = thei Enterprise Toolkit for OpenVMS.r  9 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/et/et_index.htmle  G It lets you use Visual Studio as a development environment for OpenVMS. F Editing takes place on the PC and builds magically happen on the VMS = server.m   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brt. > [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br]+ > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:18 PMr > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-' > Subject: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...  >=20 >=20; > I think OpenVMS is becoming a Frankenstein .... these =20e > "ports" from the > Unix world are notD >  working fine in my vision because there=B4s no real acceptance=20 > from the old > VMS managers >  in these new technologies.  >=20C > But OVMS needs to become "modern"  for  all markets.... and theset > improvments are > > needed ....  in my personal opinion, Java will be a great=20 > tool to redevelopx > old productsG > and to create others ..... but just port from Unix wil not work ! The: > products must be+ > redeveloped using the  OpenVMS structure.h >=20A > I talked a few time ago: C++, Basic,  and other developemnt =20h > products for > OVMS must become& >  visual ! ! !  Management tools too. >=20; >  The "developers" market is not interested in VT based=201 > development. The > visualB > languages are good for quick  programming and some of them offer > portability features.t >=20G > The "reborn" will not work with 450.000 system managers  asking for =6 VT > based applications	 > etc ...D >=20 > It=B4s my personal opinion >=20 > FC.a >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:15:31 GMTg From: ThackrayA@logica.com- Subject: Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?e2 Message-ID: <39ed85c2.100299963@news.logica.co.uk>  D Careful you get the plugs in the right sockets. The two 3.3volt ones@ are opposite way round ( from memory ). No these won't work withE ANY Alpha board. They are for the PC64 Cabriolet.. More modern MB uses ordinary ATX type PSU.      A On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:12:11 GMT, jmd5@earthlink.net (jmd) wrote:   C >On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:51:28 GMT, atlas@world.std.com (Alexander Rc >Svirsky) wrote: >gL >>Thanks for the tip.  Computer Surplus Outlet has a 300W 3.3V PS for $99 inK >>their catalog as part # CAS-30033.  They could not confirm over the phonerH >>that this PS works with any Alpha board.  Is anyone successfully using! >>this PS with a Cabriolet board?v >> > C >they used to sell the baords too, this is probabaly what you want.nG >there are 4 total feeds coming from the power supply. when you look onn< >the board all 4 connectors are near the keyboard connector. >rD >mine is a 300W PS. if you need numbers from in i could send them to >you.w >e >hth >jefft   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:01:13 GMT-3 From: K.J. Seefried III <kseefried@digitalmojo.com>h- Subject: Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?l8 Message-ID: <164rusg8p5n4k8f3v163fo4jd2uehpb0pn@4ax.com>  B On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:51:28 GMT, atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky) wrote:VK >Thanks for the tip.  Computer Surplus Outlet has a 300W 3.3V PS for $99 innJ >their catalog as part # CAS-30033.  They could not confirm over the phoneG >that this PS works with any Alpha board.  Is anyone successfully usingr  >this PS with a Cabriolet board? >   E Assuming that a Cabriolet and a PC64-275 are the same, yup, it works.) I got my PS from CSO.t  1 Ken Seefried, CTO & Founding Partner, DigitalMoJo 6 Information Security Management, Consulting & Training   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:00:44 GMTs/ From: atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R Svirsky)r- Subject: Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?,& Message-ID: <G2MMt9.7nA@world.std.com>  H I've ordered the PS and should have it by the end of the week.  This has= been a difficult part to find.  Thanks to all for the advice.O   Alex  4 K.J. Seefried III (kseefried@digitalmojo.com) wrote:D : On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 15:51:28 GMT, atlas@world.std.com (Alexander R : Svirsky) wrote:iM : >Thanks for the tip.  Computer Surplus Outlet has a 300W 3.3V PS for $99 inaL : >their catalog as part # CAS-30033.  They could not confirm over the phoneI : >that this PS works with any Alpha board.  Is anyone successfully usinga" : >this PS with a Cabriolet board? : >p  G : Assuming that a Cabriolet and a PC64-275 are the same, yup, it works.e : I got my PS from CSO.s  3 : Ken Seefried, CTO & Founding Partner, DigitalMoJoe8 : Information Security Management, Consulting & Training -- eC Alexander_R_Svirsky_____________________________atlas@world.std.com-   ------------------------------  ! Date: Wed, 18 Oct 00 10:55:20 GMTP From: jmfbahciv@aol.comR" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8skaph$hs3$1@bob.news.rcn.net>-  0 In article <qh1yz2gy6x.fsf@ruckus.brouhaha.com>,7    Eric Smith <eric-no-spam-for-me@brouhaha.com> wrote:m >jmfbahciv@aol.com writes:* >> The 1091 wouldn't even have happened if@ >> somebody sane (Alan Titcomb) hadn't funded the project.  ThatA >> was another TOPS10 project that was a midnight hack (I'm usinge> >> the word hack in the proper way...not the idiocy that seems >> to have evolved). >t8 >What were the technical issues to making the 1091 work? >lB >My understanding is that the 1091 hardware was basically the same
 >as the 2060.m  > It's exactly the same.  We had a couple of stand-alone systems> that we used for both -10 and -20 development.  All one needed was a pack to boot the system.   >  As compared to the 1090:o >g >  >		1090				1091 5 >		-------------------------	------------------------n; >memory		DMA20 memory interface to	"internal" memory (whichr0 >		KI10 external memory bus	sometimes is mounted >						externally):  MA20/MB20 >						core or MF20/MG20 semi  > : >channels	external channels tied to	internal RH20 channels >		multiported memoryt > 4 >I/O		DIA20 interface to KI10		RH20 internal Massbus+ >		external I/O bus		channels, DIA20 avail.  >						as an option  >y% >console media	DECtape				RX01 floppyo >o- >packaging	three rack bays			two-wide "short"y >						corporate cabinet >O >sD >So obviously TOPS-10 needed new disk and tape drivers for the RH20,  3 Nope.  That was already done for the tall cabinets.r  D >and I'm not trying to downplay the significance of that effort, but/ >I'm curious as to what else needed to be done.n  B Field test, documentation, MOSSER.MAC (I think that was the file),? SPD, and getting everything approved as dictated in the Project 5 Notebook.  The latter was always the stumbling block..   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.o   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 02:59:28 -0400.  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>* Subject: Re: read logicals on another node/ Message-ID: <1001018024713.24613A@Ives.egh.com>f  $ On Wed, 18 Oct 2000, JF Mezei wrote:   > John Santos wrote:G > > $ if f$locate("coconut",timtamcookies) .eq. f$length(timtamcookies)o
 > > $ then4 > > $  DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical -3 > >       "Please send John Santos Tim Tam cookies"V
 > > $ else4 > > $  DEFINE/TABLE=LNM$SYSCLUSTER_TABLE mylogical -* > >       "Please send JF Tim Tam cookies" > > $ endify >  > J > $if f$locate("chocolate",userpreferences) .ne. f$length(userpreferences) > $thenw& > $ netscape http://www.arnotts.com.au > $else5 > $ type sys$input: > Sorry, Tim Tams are available in the following flavours: > % >  * Arnotts Chocolate Tim Tam 200g  u) >  * Arnotts Tim Tam Chewy Caramel 175g  l! >  * Arnotts Tim Tam White 410g  l. >  * Arnotts Tim Tam Choc Double Coated 200g  - >  * Arnotts Tim Tam Chocolate Caramel 200g  t) >  * Arnotts Tim Tam Chocolate Tin 450g   ( >  * Arnotts Tim Tam Coffee Mocha 200g  * >  * Arnotts Tim Tam Dark Chocolate 200g  & >  * Arnotts Tim Tam Multi Pack 220g  + >  * Arnotts Tim Tams Chocindulgence 365g  : > C > check http://www.woolworths.com.au for availability and prices...: > $i > $ENDIF  ? Great.  Anything but coconut.  (I think I got my DCL right.  If > 'timtamcookies' contains "coconut" then let JF have them, else they're mine, all mine...)   -- r John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 00:08:48 -0400y' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu> ' Subject: Re: S/A set and Pro380 consolel' Message-ID: <39ED2250.2FEE96C3@rpi.edu>   K Thanks, I'll relay the info to him, and get it worked out.  He must have an I RX50 drive, as he did make the disks once (although in the wrong format).t -Derek   John Santos wrote:  . > On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, Derek Konigsberg wrote: >-	 > > Bill, J > >       Any idea how one would go about making the S/A disk set in ODS-1K > > format?  (I find it rather interesting how there are many DOS utilitiesyG > > that let you read/write RX50 disks, but only support the old PDP-11V > > formats like RT-11)s > / > ODS-1 is also a PDP-11 format, from RSX-11...k >oJ > I think all your friend needs to do is init it with "$ init/structure=1"! > before copying the files to it.- >-J > Also, I hope the VAX has an RX50 (or RX33?); the console on an 11/780 isK > an 8" RX01, so it wouldn't be easy to insert those floppies into the 8530s > console!  ;-)> > J > BTW, the EXCHANGE program on VMS will read and write RT-11 format disks,+ > but I think the 8530 console wants ODS-1.u >h > >oK > > P.S. I cc'd this message to the guy who's helping me with the floppies.I > >h
 > > -Derek > >e > >I  > > "William S. LaCounte" wrote: > > > J > > > I have had several Pro350/380 years past. All of them only supported* > > > ODS-1 since POS was a hybrid of RSX. > > >rG > > > I doubt very much if the Pro380 configured as a VAX Console wouldy > > > support ODS-2. > > >l
 > > > Bill > >d > >r >o > --
 > John Santosa > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:09:51 -0400w2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)$ Subject: Re: simple cluster questionL Message-ID: <rdeininger-1810001209520001@user-2iveaj6.dialup.mindspring.com>  I In article <8si8mp$ana$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote:   J > In a two-node cluster with apparently everything working, if one node isJ > shut down with SYS$SYSTEM:SHUTDOWN.COM with the REMOVE_NODE option, whatH > should SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS show for its status?  It seems to me itB > should be blank, NON or REMOVED, but not BRK_NON.  If BRK_NON is5 > correct, when should the other fields be displayed?p   Evidently the VMS engineers have given SHOW CLUSTER/CONTINUOUS quite of bit of discretion in this area.  What it displays depends on its mood.   -- ( Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.coms   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 09:45:24 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)# Subject: Sun "uptime" belly laugheru+ Message-ID: <MYnw451i3kbz@eisner.decus.org>r  E Gee whiz... Scott McNealy must think that NO ONE is paying attention.a  B http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,2641254,00.html    E                   McNealy also addressed quality issues and describediF                   ongoing work within Sun to create a sense of urgencyH                   about high availability in Sun systems. He used eBay's?                   recent 22-hour outage as an example of how he G                   believes Sun must work with customers to achieve highn                    availability.   F                   "We're paying people for uptime," he said. "The onlyF                   thing that really matters is uptime, uptime, uptime,J                   uptime and uptime. I want to get it down to a handful ofF                   times you might want to bring a Sun computer down inH                   a year. I'm spending all my time with employees to getH                   this design goal" at the forefront of their thinking.   K The only thing that really matters is uptime.  Only bring it down a handful K of times in a year?  How about staying up a couple years?  Foreign concept? E Better yet.... how about designing and selling machines that can stayn up more than a month!!!   N And in the context of eBay how are we doing?  Anyone else notice they are downG on their primary server about every other week?  Betcha they are out ofh
 resources ;-0         User: aw@ebay.com  Date: 10/17/00   Time: 19:06:14 PDT .                          *** SYSTEM STATUS ***  L The eBay system was unavailable for about one hour beginning at 17:26 PT andN was available again at about 18:25 PT. However, we are still experiencing some- intermittent availability with Seller Search.1  N In the last few days, we have had questions about our policy on downtimes. For more information, please go to:-2 http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-extn.html  I We also received questions about extending auctions during an unschedulednM downtime. If we had gone back into the database to extend auctions, our total M downtime would have been extended by at least another 30 minutes. Our primary L goal will always be to bring the system up and to make the site available as soon as possible.e  I We are very sorry for the inconvenience that this downtime has caused. AstN always, we will continue to carefully monitor the system and will let you know% of any further changes in its status.a  !                          Regards,t                          eBayw  A 	[So in other words, quit your moaning you aren't getting ANOTHERtC 	extension.  Take your lumps or go somewhere else if you don't likeu 	it.]o    User: aw@ebay.com  Date: 10/17/00w  Time: 17:30:18 PDTa.                          *** SYSTEM STATUS ***  O The eBay system is currently unavailable. We are working as quickly as possible N to bring the system back up. We will post again when we have more information.  !                          Regards,w                          eBaye    	 Sheesh!!!m    ?                Top Ten reasons for Sun FE to get the eBay call:.      >  10)     Know where the good stuff is hid in the Liebert units   3  9)      Made a ton of friends (a few enemies too).V   ?  8)      First to 60 card punches gets family outing to Disney!    B  7)      Get to learn about field service availability at 3 a.m.!    H  6)      Total site visit pool now up to $1800 (guess total 2000 visits,          win pool!).   K  5)      Getting so fast at swapping CPU and I/O cards can now swap runningb          cards!    I  4)      OT is now paying for Aspen condo, Eddie Bauer Explorer, private e#          school, and projection TV.n   N  3)      Be ideally-positioned to get in the FINAL bid on that kidney         6          transplant (once you get the server back up).   N  2)      Have a bully pulpit from which to orate about UltraSPARC III chips,            if they ever ship.O   H          And the number one reason to be the lucky Sun FE on-call . . .    L  1)      Get a ground-floor opportunity to score brownie points with Scott  L          McNealy by convincing eBay IT Management that the problem lies not 0          with Sun hardware, but with Windows NT.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:35:31 -0500e+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>e* Subject: RE: Sun Hardware problems persistJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052848A1@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Andrew,b  3 >> We do know what caused eBays 22 hour outage ..>>s  K Sigh .. again, the 22 outage was only one of many, many outages reported in+H the press at eBay in the last year. If you'd like, I can post all of the> references I have on file, but I don't feel it is appropriate.  F One only has to monitor http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml for the latest system status.n  J Anyway, I suspect most readers are tired of this thread .. lets move on to other discussions.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660- Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]  Sent: October 16, 2000 1:28 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist     kparris@my-deja.com wrote: > I > I don't get to read this newsgroup very often, but just had to clear upa6 > some incorrect postings and innuendos in this topic.  @ > 4 outages of 1-2 hours each over 3 days.  No hardware problems  > involved.  No 22-hour outages. > 7 Sorry I snipped you long posting the gist of which was -5 the despite your suggestions you don't actually know m1 what caused eTrades outages despite the rambling.   9 We do know what caused eBays 22 hour outage and it wasn't.; either Sun supplied HW, SW or anything that a Sun engineer  : did. So your 4 1-2 hour outages over 3 days may or may not9 have been caused by Compaq but the 22 hour outage at eBayn< wasn't caused by Sun so you should not be trying to compare  the two.  5 You also use as evidence that it could not have been V4 Compaqs fault the fact that eTrade have bought more / OpenVMS boxes, how very ironic since eBay have p* done the same with Sun, buying more boxes.  4 The OpenVMS bigots on this group choose to use that : piece of information as evidence of a Sun/eBay conspiracy,< if I choose to do the same with respect to Compaq and eTrade+ am I any more guilty than them ??????????? n  4 Incedentally I don't have a view either way but its 3 very revealing that no one on this group is honest  < enough to admit that there would be just as much if not more; foundation to a eTrades outages show that "OpenVMS sucks asr8 a server OS" FUD campaign as there was for the Sun/eBay 
 FUD campaign.r  H > > So will Compaq admit that eTrade's outage was caused by Compaq ????? > 3 > Of course not.  The evidence indicates it wasn't.i > ? No you havn't actually presented any evidence to show this, in  @ fact you have said and I quote "The actual causes of the outagesB on the two subsequent days is the subject of disagreement to this  day among people I respect."  < This hardly constitutes evidence that eTrades outage was not8 caused by Compaq. Its also interesting because Sun eBay ; and their software suppliers know what caused their outage.   < Again if I was following in the FUD footsteps of the OpenVMS< boosters on this group I would say, what do you mean people < are still arguing about what caused the outage. How can you : take OpenVMS seriously as a Server OS if you still cannot > definitivly tell us why the system hung, thats no better than  NT. :):):):):) See how it goes.o     RegardsA Andrew Harrisonu Enterprise IT Architecth   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:28:32 +0100i0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39ED8960.3E7F9527@uk.sun.com>   kparris@my-deja.com wrote: > 3 > andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:e4 > > despite your suggestions you don't actually know5 > > what caused eTrades outages despite the rambling.  > G > > > > So will Compaq admit that eTrade's outage was caused by Compaq?1 > > > 7 > > > Of course not.  The evidence indicates it wasn't.h > > >cB > > No you havn't actually presented any evidence to show this, inD > > fact you have said and I quote "The actual causes of the outagesE > > on the two subsequent days is the subject of disagreement to this   > > day among people I respect." > I > You conveniently sidestepped the clear evidence I did present about ther* > undisputed cause of half of the outages. > C Hang on are you saying that in fact there were two separate outages @ that happened to coincide with each other and that you know the @ cause of one of them but do not know the cause of the other and D that in fact no-one knows the cause of the second series of outages.  D You really don't want to go down this route do you. You need to talkH to Kerry who yet again seems to be uniformed about things Compaq/OpenVMSB related but prepared never the less to publish what appears to be  a statement of fact.  E Kerry seems oblivious to the factt there were if you are correct two nI separate types of outage, one of which does not have an explained cause. SE He seems quite happy to lump the eTrade outages into one category and5 suggest 8 that the cuase of the outage(s) is known and understood.  @ I trust you will be correcting his postings on this subject and > can only assume you havn't been following this thread closely ? because you don't appear to have corrected any of his previous d> posts which appear if you are correct to be untrue or at least missinformed. :):):)  I > You're complaining here because YOU don't know the causes, and you wishPI > to blame Compaq.  I'm not at liberty to release details about the otheroF > two outages.  Folks will have to weigh their opinion of my technicalH > expertise and honesty and decide whether or not to trust me when I sayE > that based on my examination of the evidence, I believe the outagesoG > were not the fault of Compaq.  They can similarly decide if they wish.% > to believe you about e-Bay and Sun.x >   D Hang on you have said that there is still a dissagreement about the F cause of the other 2 outages. I don't have to tell you that given thatG this dissagreement exists you cannot tell me or anyone what the actual t( cause of the 2and series of outages was.    C > But anyway, perhaps a far more interesting topic would be all theiH > outages that DIDN'T occur at E*Trade, thanks to Compaq.  Like DecemberF > 29, 1999 (three days before Y2K), when a security guard on his firstI > day on the job heard a UPS audio alarm, panicked, and hit the emergencydE > power-off button for an entire datacenter.  Despite Y2K jitters andeG > hair-trigger reporting of any suspected computer problems, you didn'tdE > hear about any outage, did you?  That's because Compaq's technology-D > (Disaster-Tolerant VMS Clusters) is designed for just that sort ofF > thing, and it works.  Sun can't provide technology with capabilities > anywhere close to that.   < Clearly you obviously know a lot more about OpenVMS than youB do about Solaris otherwise you would not have made this statement.  D We may have to do more work at the apps level than an OpenVMS based * system but we can achieve the same effect.  B Nor of course does it remotely alter the fact you cannot seriously8 refer to (Disaster-Tolerant VMS Clusters) knowing as you= do that eTrade have lost their cluster because it was not as R. Dissaster Tolerant as you origionally thought.     Regards  Andrew Harrisony Enterprise IT Architectf   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:51:58 +0000n$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist/ Message-ID: <0025697C.00466B08.00@quegw01.btyp>j  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza     Andrew posted;  C "Nor of course does it remotely alter the fact you cannot seriously08 refer to (Disaster-Tolerant VMS Clusters) knowing as you< do that eTrade have lost their cluster because it was not as/ Dissaster Tolerant as you origionally thought."J  O Sorry, I thought the statement from e*Trade had made the point that the cluster.O wasn't down or lost, what happened was that users were timing out while waitingE7 to access the application. Read this to know the story;c  3 http://www.internetwk.com/news0299/news021299-9.htmR  5 Unless of course everyone in this article is lying...k   Steve Spires VMS System Manager BT/Yellow Pages"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:25:46 +0100t0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist* Message-ID: <39EDC0FA.777EC34F@uk.sun.com>  % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:C > N > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza >  > Andrew posted; > E > "Nor of course does it remotely alter the fact you cannot seriouslya: > refer to (Disaster-Tolerant VMS Clusters) knowing as you> > do that eTrade have lost their cluster because it was not as1 > Dissaster Tolerant as you origionally thought."n > Q > Sorry, I thought the statement from e*Trade had made the point that the cluster Q > wasn't down or lost, what happened was that users were timing out while waitingt9 > to access the application. Read this to know the story;e > > I don't think that a hung cluster, it hadn't actually crashed > but you could not use it would pass the Tandem or Stratus test! for dissaster tollerant systems. 8  6 You are splitting hairs. Its like Microsofts security 5 claims for NT which omitted to point out that NT was 25 only C2 secure if you didn't connect it to a network o or anything else.r  3 A transaction system is not any good if you cannot t3 commit transactions to it and that is what happenedk to the ETrade system.   5 > http://www.internetwk.com/news0299/news021299-9.htm  > 7 > Unless of course everyone in this article is lying...S >  > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pagesi   -- t Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architecty   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:41:22 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)+ Subject: using RA82 HDA w/RA81 electronics? 3 Message-ID: <8skgb2$l4s$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>t  I This is probably a stupid question, but hey, that's half the fun.  I'm in N the process of restoring to working order several of our RA82 and RA81 drives.K We have a maybe-ok HDA from an RA82 with bad electronics (Idle diagnostics E9 failed)...we have a bad RA81 HDA with good electronics...k  H I know they're different geometries, but since the RA82 HDA is bigger, IJ was hoping the RA81 would think it was an RA81 HDA installed...it wouldn't6 be a bad thing if it only used 450M of the RA82 HDA...  
 Any thoughts?d
 Brian Wheeler/ bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:52:25 -0600 % From: Dan O'Reilly <dano@process.com>f/ Subject: Re: using RA82 HDA w/RA81 electronics?-D Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20001018095136.00b0cd90@pop.clsp.uswest.net>  , At 09:41 AM 10/18/2000, Brian Wheeler wrote:J >This is probably a stupid question, but hey, that's half the fun.  I'm inO >the process of restoring to working order several of our RA82 and RA81 drives.uK >We have a maybe-ok HDA from an RA82 with bad electronics (Idle diagnosticsn: >failed)...we have a bad RA81 HDA with good electronics... >@I >I know they're different geometries, but since the RA82 HDA is bigger, IwK >was hoping the RA81 would think it was an RA81 HDA installed...it wouldn'tO7 >be a bad thing if it only used 450M of the RA82 HDA...o  L I doubt it would work.  It might just if the personality module in the drive, were changed, but I would be very surprised.     ------I +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+EI | Dan O'Reilly                  |                                       |eI | Principal Engineer            |  "Those are my principles. If you     |-I | Process Software              |   don't like them I have others."     |nI | http://www.process.com        |                    -- Groucho Marx    |sI +-------------------------------+---------------------------------------+t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:20:15 -0400s5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>  Subject: VAX emulatorq6 Message-ID: <8skm1n$fbs$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Just in case you missed this.     A VAX Emulator Family Announced by Software Resources Internationale     Geneva, Switzerland   J Announcement: http://www.softresint.com/softresint/news/First_product.html     Hobbyist Page at:u= http://www.softresint.com/softresint/charon-vax/hobbyist.html    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 08:26:15 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?. Message-ID: <8sjmr7$ntr$1@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <39ECF4CA.D39AB2EC@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" & <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:   D > Because VOLSHAD requires that each host have a non-zero allocationE > class. I'm sure someone will pipe up with the complete explanation;iE > however, consider the transfer of "knowledge" between cluster nodesmE > about shadow set constituency. This may explain it (and maybe not).    OK...t   > Consider:d  E ...but these examples involve clusters.  Why is the allocation-class  ? notation required with volume shadowing on a standalone system?t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:08:26 GMTy- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>b$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?( Message-ID: <39ED92B9.45FD660A@ohio.edu>  G I don't know the developers' reasoning, but I am just as glad that theyi1 don't have to maintain variant code for clusters.:  #                                 RDPn     Phillip Helbig wrote:b  C > In article <39ECF4CA.D39AB2EC@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"n' > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:e >fF > > Because VOLSHAD requires that each host have a non-zero allocationG > > class. I'm sure someone will pipe up with the complete explanation;cG > > however, consider the transfer of "knowledge" between cluster nodesoG > > about shadow set constituency. This may explain it (and maybe not).m >t > OK...r >r
 > > Consider:l >sF > ...but these examples involve clusters.  Why is the allocation-classA > notation required with volume shadowing on a standalone system?i   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:16:16 +0800., From: "Little White" <Trishgoff@hotmail.com>+ Subject: VMS syslog utility for OpenVMS 7.1*( Message-ID: <8sjpp9$23i$1@m5.att.net.hk>  	 Dear All,a  J Are there anyone where to download the Syslog run time utility for openVMS 7.1.   Thanks and regards,a   -- Where were you in '82 ? ! I was in France, where were you ?   I was in school, where was Lou ? Lou wasn't born in '82 :Pp   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:10:13 GMT) From: leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie)t/ Subject: Re: VMS syslog utility for OpenVMS 7.1 ' Message-ID: <8skegl$mmd$1@joe.rice.edu>c  + Little White (Trishgoff@hotmail.com) wrote:  : Dear All,t :eA : Are there anyone where to download the Syslog run time utility l : for openVMS 7.1. :  : Thanks and regards,0 :v  A "Syslog run time utility" ??   Do you mean "syslogd", the syslog g daemon for unix ?c  < Please state the VMS problem you're trying to solve; perhaps! the VMS FAQ will be of some help:E  "     http://www.openvms.compaq.com/  4 --Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:09:29 -0400o# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> / Subject: RE: VMS syslog utility for OpenVMS 7.1UD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD85C@berry.mvpsi.com>   It's available at:  . http://www2.wku.edu/www/fileserv/fileserv.html   The direct link is:p  * ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/SYSLOGD.ZIP       > -----Original Message-----3 > From: Little White [mailto:Trishgoff@hotmail.com]w+ > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 5:16 AM- > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com - > Subject: VMS syslog utility for OpenVMS 7.1M >  >  > Dear All,i > 9 > Are there anyone where to download the Syslog run time s > utility for openVMS1 > 7.1. >  > Thanks and regards,a >  > -- > Where were you in '82 ?o# > I was in France, where were you ?>" > I was in school, where was Lou ? > Lou wasn't born in '82 :Pa >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:01:26 +1000t0 From: "Christine Ricketts" <u1276a@unite.com.au>3 Subject: Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure codew/ Message-ID: <8sjmpb$9p0$1@thebe.syd.dav.net.au>e   Greetings Kenn,y  3 The model 76 Maintenance Guide says to do a Test 50t6 to dump the configuration table.  If you give me that,& I should be able to decode it for you.  ' Regards, Andy.  (using my wifes account4  4 <kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie> wrote in message8 news:slrn8upqn4.n05.kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie...L > On 18 Oct 2000 01:30:58 +0200, Peter LANGSTOEGER <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote:A > >In article <slrn8upm4q.mbe.kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie>,r5 > >      kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie () writes:n > >> ?  C  0080  0000.4001 > >> ?  7  80A0  0000.4001 > >> ?  6  80A1  0000.4001 > >>??  1  00C0  0000.0006 > >>@ > >>I can't find any explanation for this code (00C0 0000.0006). > >2I > >A "?? 1" is almost every time a bad Ethernet terminator set or bad AUI- cable.L > >But, I agree, the "0000.0006" doesn't look very common to me (IIRC it was@ > >a 0000.7xxx or a 0011.7xxx what I used to see many years ago) > >n! > >What does a TEST 0 give then ?W >WI > It's being cranky now and locking up every time.  A few days ago, I didd1 > a TEST 0 and it froze during the ethernet test.t >2 > Later, > Kenn >n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:20:52 GMT * From: kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie ()3 Subject: Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code > Message-ID: <slrn8uqsje.q6p.kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie>  L On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:01:26 +1000, Christine Ricketts <u1276a@unite.com.au> wrote: >Greetings Kenn, >i4 >The model 76 Maintenance Guide says to do a Test 507 >to dump the configuration table.  If you give me that, ' >I should be able to decode it for you.? ... M >> On 18 Oct 2000 01:30:58 +0200, Peter LANGSTOEGER <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote:e" >> >What does a TEST 0 give then ?  @ OK.  I finally got to a console prompt again.  The boot, TEST 50$ and TEST 0 output is included below.  7 Some info on the current configuration of this machine:n  4    o  Running a serial console off the printer port.%    o  Keyboard and mouse disconnected?    o  Monitor disconnected5    o  Framebuffer board removed (to reduce boot time)u7    o  Only one 4MB SIMM installed (to reduce boot time)h    o  No SCSI devices installedc=    o  AUI-BNC transceiver connected to AUI port and connected .       to a BNC segment with _no_ other devices3    o  BNC T and 2 terminators connected to BNC porte$    o  BNC/AUI selector is set to BNC  E The transceiver and BNC terminators don't seem to make any differencehD to the ratio of lock-up to error 0000.0006.  However, the proportionF of lock-ups has risen over the last few days.  It used to be about 50% but it's now more like 95%.b  C BTW, once I get a console prompt, this machine will boot VMS from aeC SCSI disk no problem.  Turning on networking will lock it up solid,, though.    Thanks,  Kenn    
 <POWER-UP>   KA43-A  V1.2          ...n  9 F...E...D...C...B...A_..9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1-   <LOCKED UP - POWER-CYCLED HERE>0   KA43-A  V1.2          ...r  < F...E...D...C...B...A_..9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1?..      ?  C  0080  0000.4001  ?  7  80A0  0000.4001  ?  6  80A1  0000.4001 ??  1  00C0  0000.0006   >>> test 50        KA43-A  V1.2          ...e ID 08-00-2B-26-89-CA      MONO     0000.0001           CLK      0000.0001           NVR      0000.0001         ? DZ       0000.4001       N       00000001 00000001 00000001 00004001 00000000 00000000                       MEM      0004.0001       N       00400000                                                                    FP       0000.0001           IT       0000.0001         ? SCSI-A   0000.4001  V1.60N       FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF03 FFFFFF05   ? SCSI-B   0000.4001  V1.60N       FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF05 FFFFFF03 FFFFFF05     SYS      0000.0001        ?? NI       0000.0006           
 >>> TEST 0  < KA43-A  V1.2        01     CU                               <                                                             <                                                             <    F 00B0  MONO     0000.0001       1             0 00:00:34<    C 0080  DZ       0300.0001       1             0 00:00:53<    7 80A0  SCSI-A   6000.0001       1 0000        0 00:01:43<    6 80A1  SCSI-B   6000.0001       1 0000        0 00:02:33<                                                               / After waiting 15 minutes, I'm going to give up.a/ The LED pattern is ON ON OFF OFF  ON ON ON OFF..   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:07:11 -0500 * From: WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov>3 Subject: RE: VS3100 ethernet self test failure codei- Message-ID: <0033000006784333000002L032*@MHS>a  4 =0AVAXstation 3100 Model 76 Owner's Guide online at:  5 http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.htmlo   Hope it helps.   WWWebb   -----Original Message-----/ From: Info-VAX-Request@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNETl' Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 7:14 PMu6 To: Webb, William W; Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com at INTERNET/ Subject: VS3100 ethernet self test failure codea    F I've posted this to comp.sys.dec a few months ago, but perhaps there's7 someone on comp.os.vms who can shed some light on this.y  > I've got a VS3100m76 that always fails the ethernet self test.< Sometimes it locks up solid during the test and sometimes it finishes with:   KA43-A  V1.2          ...B  < F...E...D...C...B...A_..9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1?..      ?  C  0080  0000.4001  ?  7  80A0  0000.4001  ?  6  80A1  0000.4001 ??  1  00C0  0000.0006  < I can't find any explanation for this code (00C0 0000.0006).4 Perhaps someone in Compaq can dig up an explanation?  # Alternatively, when it locks up at:s   KA43-A  V1.2          ...   9 F...E...D...C...B...A_..9...8...7...6...5...4_..3_..2_..1k  9 the LED pattern is (7->0)  on off off on  off off off on.t  7 I'd like to isolate the fault to a particular componenta6 before I start attacking it with the soldering iron...   Thanks in advance, Kenn=e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:05:54 +0100p0 From: Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> Subject: X Desktop, Message-ID: <39EDBC52.E8D711A0@jpmorgan.com>  F I have Exceed X-Server running on my PC. I have invoked the X debuggerC before and have also managed to create a decterm ( X ) on my PC. IstH there a way of getting an X Desktop started on my PC ? Also what other X+ applications do people find useful on VMS ?t   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.583 ************************