1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 19 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 584       Contents: Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards B Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? Re: Backup crash on older VMS  Broadcasting and UCX Re: Compaq information Re: Compaq information Re: Compaq VMS promo
 Re: DCPS v1.8 0 Decoding dates with Lib$Table_Parse (Lib$TParse)$ Detecting hardware failures from VMSJ Disaster-Tolerant Clusters and Sun (was Re: Sun Hardware problems persist)3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... & Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line& Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent Re: File Comparison - Urgent$ FS microvax 3100-85, 128mb, 6gb, 8mm Re: Halon dump - a data point  Hi, this is for you.....8 Re: how can I get the ip address from a decterm session? Re: How to send an SMS messageI RE: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I RE: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I RE: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I RE: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) I Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany) H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)H Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)- Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done   RE: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...  Re: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...  Re: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...% PCSI builds dependencies I don't need  San Francisco Bay Area LUG Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question> Re: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question> Re: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question> Re: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question> Re: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question' SNS Watchdog vs. CA-Unicenter TNG agent ! RE: Sun Hardware problems persist 
 unsubsribe Re: VAX emulator Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring? * Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:16:06 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>( Subject: Re: 3W3 pin-out and video cards4 Message-ID: <qqoH5.45$d62.12826@typhoon.aracnet.com>  3 Robert Deininger <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote: K > The above are all still supported as of VMS 7.1, I think.  See the Open3D I > SPD.  Also, one of the Open3D bookreader docs has programming info for  9 > all of these.  For some reason, I can't find a 7.2 SPD.   J I've had basically no luck finding info on video cards in the OpenVMS SPD,J and IIRC, only found very limited info in the current Open3D SPD. :^(  TheC info I've got on graphics cards is almost totally out of the SOC's.   @ For the time being at least the OpenVMS V7.2 SPD can be found at* http://www.digital.com/SP2501/SP2501SC.TXT  M > The PMAGB-BA is the overwhelmingly common card for turbochannel machines in M > the used market.  But I don't have detailed specs at hand.  If you find an  O > SOC for a DEC 3000-400, you might find something about this card.  The newer  > > SOC for the 600 and 700 models only describes the ZLX cards.  J The trick seems to be finding a SOC for the DEC 3000-400, however, I thinkK I've got the manual in a box at home.  I've just not had time to go digging  through that pile of info.  " >>    PMAG-D/PGX   (Not Supported)  N > There is also a PMAG-F, sometimes seen at ebay.  I think it might be "PGX+".r > The VMS 7.1 release notes have an end-of-support notice for PGX graphics, I assume that applies to PGX+ as well.  F That's useful to know!  If I understand correctly here that means that/ someone can use a PGX board up to OpenVMS V7.1?   0 > What is the scope of the FAQ you're compiling?  F I'm working on one that answers all those questions that Hobbyists areJ likely to have that aren't really within the scope of the OpenVMS FAQ, andI in some cases would be very inappropriate for that FAQ.  I hope to have a J rough draft out in the near future if I can continue to find a little time to work on it.   				Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:17:21 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>K Subject: Re: Anybody else having bugchecks after installing recent patches? 6 Message-ID: <200010182217_MC2-B76B-859@compuserve.com>  J         Anything with a graphics card is considered a workstation for thi= s ) purpose, which mean virtually all Alphas!   . Message text written by "Jean-Franois Marchal"> >"Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> wrote in message1 news:200010151845_MC2-B701-94C2@compuserve.com... J         According to the comments in SYLOGICALS.COM, the OPERATOR.LOG fil= e ; is not created for workstations in a cluster.  Try defining  OPC$LOGFILE_ENABLE as "TRUE".    Thanks for helping ...  5 1. in fact the machine is a DS10 with a graphic card, .    so it should not be considered as a station  4 2. I've just define the logical and restarted opcom,(    but no operator.log has been created.   Jean-Francois<   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 21:05:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)& Subject: Re: Backup crash on older VMS6 Message-ID: <8sl3be$hnp$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  F In article <8skdif$slk$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, ejheller@my-deja.com writes:+ :I have a client who has an AlphaServer 800  :running OpenVMS 7.1-1H2.   /   Please get off of V7.1-1H2 and get to V7.1-2.    :When running backup to / :the 4mm DAT drive (TLZ09), backup crashes with & :the ACCVIO with all parameters zero.   F   Please follow the quota requirements for the BACKUP account exactly.  D   I'd look at BACKUP, XQP, RMS, and SCSI ECO kits, and at any of theA   mandatory ECO kits.  I'd also check that the DDS/TLZ tape drive E   firmware is current, as I've seen a few problems with TLZ09 drives  F   using older firmware versions -- these problems can be particularly )   seen with more recent OpenVMS releases.   ( :Any thoughts would be most appreciated.  F   If your customer insist on staying on V7.1-1H2, please apply all of F   the mandatory ECO kits for the release rebooting after each one thatG   requires a reboot.  (Getting to V7.1-2 has the beneficial effects of  H   installing a number of these kits as a unit and with a single reboot, E   and it also then makes installing ECO kits easier, and it also has  3   Prior Version Support (PVS) contracts available.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:52:47 GMT  From: davidk@awirnd.com  Subject: Broadcasting and UCX ) Message-ID: <8sl63b$jks$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   G I'm kind of new to the VMS community, so forgive me if this question is 
 worded oddly.   D Our software is configured to broadcast on 255.255.255.255. However,> the broadcast leaves the VAX with an address of 192.168.10.255D according to our network sniffer. This makes sense being that we areC using a mask of 255.255.255.0. The network address is 192.168.10.0, C therefore the broadcast address is 192.168.10.255 for this network.   ) Doing a SHOW INTERFACE ZE0 command in UCX G reveals /NETWORK_MASK=255.255.255.0 and /BROADCAST_MASK=192.168.10.255.   G The problem is that we need the broadcast to remain at 255.255.255.255, C as written in the code. Why is it being changed? How can we stop it  from being changed?      Thanks in advance.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:00:18 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: Compaq information 3 Message-ID: <iH32ORqQruF9@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   , In article <8+gtzrhTNI49@eisner.decus.org>, @     	Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:6 > In article <kdxp3SHe5PlD@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Z     Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes: [...] K >>         Furthermore, at the Compaq Listens Panel at CETS 2000 in L.A.  a K >>     bit over a week ago, there was  so much negative reaction to turning K >>     off  DBL  that they (Compaq) backed down from that stance, at  least K >>     until it's  proven  that  a  fully  functional  replacement  up  and K >>     running.   Yet  the URL above says the drop-dead date is "the end of K >>     December 2000".  I'd like to see  that statement removed _until_ the J >>     alternative is operational and all current users of DBL have moved. > * > And how does one measure "operational" ? > M > I would suggest it is "working" when Compaq can bring their vice presidents O > to "Compaq Listens" and _not_ get complains that BusinessLink is still vital.   $         I'd go along with that!  :-)  H > Others have mentioned "information".  I use BusinessLink to buy stuff.A > What dealer wants to handle orders for VAX parts or $4 cables ?   H         I wish I could do the same.  I have a "look only" DBL account...H     For the time being, the Compaq replacement for DECdirect still worksH     for me (I  don't  even  remember  the  phone number...something like?     1-800-BUYCOMPAQ...which is two characters too long, yuch!).                -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:50:05 GMT / From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood)  Subject: Re: Compaq information 2 Message-ID: <39ee44f1.167625492@news.telocity.com>  = On 18 Oct 2000 15:00:18 PDT, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken 4 Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:  I >    for me (I  don't  even  remember  the  phone number...something like @ >    1-800-BUYCOMPAQ...which is two characters too long, yuch!).  A Which is actually good seeing that on most (all?) US based phones  there is no "Q".   Steve  Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MA  StevenU@POBoxes.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 05:37:24 GMT " From: "RickB" <nobody@nowhere.com> Subject: Re: Compaq VMS promo 1 Message-ID: <ko1ms8.12f.ln@news.atl.mediaone.net>   K Seems like it also worked with RDB before somebody bought the rights to it.   Am I remembering this correctly?   Rick  6 <yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net> wrote in message3 news:39dff577$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com... 1 > In <39de107f$1@obsidian.gov.bc.ca>, on 10/08/00 I >    at 12:17 AM, "Graham Bennett" <Graham.Bennett@gems5.gov.bc.ca> said:  > J > Powerhouse is a 4GL, not a database itself.  Although it is a wonderfullL > package and can give you database like access to RMS files.  I try to findI > a PowerHouse contract every 3 years or so in order to keep current with  > it.  >  > Roland > L > >Alan Greig wrote in message <39c77a18.1124658914@news.newsguy.com>... >OnH > >Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:31 +0200, "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl> >wrote: > >>I > >>>Database vendors are another important segment. How many run on VMS? I > >>>Adabas/Natural and Oracle/Rdb and it seems to mee that the latter is  trying > >>>to  > >>>get rid of VMS. > >>J > >>Oracle is most certainly not droping RDB on VMS. They've dropped it on  > >>NT and Tru-64 but *NOT* VMS. > >>& > >>CA Ingres isn't going away either. > >> >  > . > >Cognos Powerhouse is another viable option. >  >  >  > --= > ----------------------------------------------------------- F > yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"8 >                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 1.52: >                             For a Microsoft free univers= > -----------------------------------------------------------  >    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 14:43:29 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: DCPS v1.83 Message-ID: <Lq53v0Kj+Kid@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   1 In article <39EBCE3A.6FF19DBD@worldnet.att.net>,  2     	Jack Kings <jmkings@worldnet.att.net> writes:> > trying to configure an HP8000 printer using ipraw under dcps8 > v1.8. the library file says it is supported and i have< > configured older hp printers under v1.7 of dcps but i cant: > get this one working. when i print to the hp8000 i get a> > message on the printer window saying "data received" several> > times then it seems to time-out and put the print job into a9 > pending state in the queue and nothing comes out of the 
 > printer.  H         Just a WAG, but you  don't  have  some customized device controlH     library from DCPS 1.7 still configured for the HP8000's print queue,H     do  you?   If  so, remove it and reconfigure the queue  to  use  theE     default DCPS library, DCPS_LIB:, aka SYS$LIBRARY:DCPS$DEVCTL.TLB.            -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:46:51 PDT* From: abuse@flying-disk.com (Alan Frisbie)9 Subject: Decoding dates with Lib$Table_Parse (Lib$TParse) ! Message-ID: <FWVCi9AAH14T@flying>   ? I need a bit of help with Lib$Table_Parse in my latest program.   < The user needs to be able to specify zero or more (up to 10)? date ranges.   I wanted to use a specifier that looks something  like:   /DATE_RANGE=date1,date2   7 To make it more complex, I would like to allow dates to 7 be specified in any valid VMS date format.   This means 7 that the symbol alphabet consists of letters, numbers,  9 "-", and "/".   Unless I am mis-reading the manual, there 7 doesn't seem to be any way to specify this, since there 5 isn't a TPA$DATE alphabet (Darn!).   Does anyone have ( any good ideas on how to easily do this?  < If any VMS developers are reading this, what are the chances? of TPA$DATE being added to a future version of Lib$Table_Parse?    Thanks,  Alan   --  B --  Alan E. Frisbie             Frisbie "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com@ --  Flying Disk Systems, Inc.   Abuse "AT" Flying-Disk "DOT" Com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:45:43 GMT , From: Dave Harrold <DRHarrold@earthlink.net>- Subject: Detecting hardware failures from VMS 8 Message-ID: <pk2sus0nf6ubj4jt6au6qa8jva2l4gh9gp@4ax.com>   Hi All,	  D We just had a situation here that got me thinking.  One of our GS60ED systems just lost a power supply with a bang. Fortunately (?) one ofE our people was standing next to it when it went, so he came on got merF right away.  There isn't anything I can see in DECevent recording this event.  C So, my dilemma is... What if someone hadn't happened to be there atm" the time?  How would I have known?  B Is there a way to check this stuff from VMS?  DCL/API/Whatever?  IF assume the Insight Manager agents can report on these kinds of events,4 but I can't use them until I get to Multinet 4.3....   Any ideas or information?      Thanks,x   Dave Harrold        V ======================================================================================V Dave Harrold                                          E-Mail: David_Harrold@Aurora.orgL Sr. Software Systems Engineer                         Phone : (414) 647-6204L Aurora Health Care                                    FAX   : (414) 647-4999I 3031 W. Montana Street                                Milwaukee, WI 53234   X "A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to/ underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools."    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:38:30 GMTr From: kparris@my-deja.comnS Subject: Disaster-Tolerant Clusters and Sun (was Re: Sun Hardware problems persist)p) Message-ID: <8sku7l$cm2$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   1 andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:PF > > (Disaster-Tolerant VMS Clusters) is designed for just that sort ofH > > thing, and it works.  Sun can't provide technology with capabilities > > anywhere close to that.G >a> > Clearly you obviously know a lot more about OpenVMS than youD > do about Solaris otherwise you would not have made this statement.  F Disaster-Tolerant Clusters allow continued and uninterrupted operation< despite the loss of up to an entire datacenter.  Two or moreF datacenters are placed a safe distance apart, and the cluster solutionF ensures that data is kept identical on the storage in each datacenter.G Where Sun fails is in not being able to provide a safe distance betweenoE datacenters.  IBM's hardware-assist-centered Parallel Sysplex Clusterp& design suffers from the same weakness.  @ Sun Campus Clusters allow up to 10 km (about 6 miles) separationF between nodes with version 2.2.  VMS supports 150-mile site separationF out-of-the-box, or 500 miles with DTCS.  Sun's headquarters in SiliconG Valley is near the San Andreas fault line (not far from E*Trade's firstvC datacenter, in fact).  You can go 10 km in any direction you choosecD there and not find a site that will survive The Big One when it hitsA Sun's headquarters.  Sun can't protect it's own data with its ownaB solution, so don't try to convince me it is anywhere near what VMS provides in disaster tolerance.   E > We may have to do more work at the apps level than an OpenVMS basedr, > system but we can achieve the same effect.  G Yes, customers must modify their programs and code to Sun's proprietarypD Cluster API so applications can fail over.  This ties them even moreF tightly to Sun.  This from a company that professes to believe in OpenE Systems.  Sun has added so many proprietary features to Slolaris that F one college O/S textbook I saw recently at Barnes & Noble actually hadA a separate section on Solaris in addition to the section on Unix!SF ----------------------------------------------------------------------G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris.nospam@decuserve.decus.org F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.y   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:37:40 GMT / From: knepper@eisner.decus.org (Laurie Knepper).< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...' Message-ID: <G2MzMt.7CM@news.decus.org>   H >I don't know about San Diego, but in LA 2 weeks ago there was a sessionJ >comparing VMS cluster to Tru64 Cluster by Keith Parris. Unfortunately, itK >was at the same time as the John Loethar & Terry Shannon Business Critical K >Cluster presentation. I'll have to wait for the session notes CD. I assumeaL >there will be a session notes CD, as I don't recall ever seeing anything in >the materials about one.A  M I believe you may be thinking of the session given Friday morning by RochelleeN Lauer.  Though there will be a session notes CD, I don't know if Rochelle willK have anything in there or not.  However, even if she does, it unfortunatelyh> will not come even close to attending the session since it wasK hands-on/interactive.  Much of the session was seeing and doing rather thane listening.  - Laurie   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 16:05:46 -05001 From: kaplow_r@eisner.decus.org.mars (Bob Kaplow)s< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <4kcMTH+k39ew@eisner.decus.org>n  Y In article <G2MzMt.7CM@news.decus.org>, knepper@eisner.decus.org (Laurie Knepper) writes: I >>I don't know about San Diego, but in LA 2 weeks ago there was a session K >>comparing VMS cluster to Tru64 Cluster by Keith Parris. Unfortunately, itlL >>was at the same time as the John Loethar & Terry Shannon Business CriticalL >>Cluster presentation. I'll have to wait for the session notes CD. I assumeM >>there will be a session notes CD, as I don't recall ever seeing anything ing >>the materials about one. > O > I believe you may be thinking of the session given Friday morning by Rochelle-P > Lauer.  Though there will be a session notes CD, I don't know if Rochelle willM > have anything in there or not.  However, even if she does, it unfortunatelyr@ > will not come even close to attending the session since it wasM > hands-on/interactive.  Much of the session was seeing and doing rather thank > listening.  - Laurie  H Actually I was at Rochelle's workshop Friday morning. IIRC you popped inK briefly. See my post about the noise levels in the workshops. It was so badeI we couldn't hear her well. But it wasn't a comparison of the two clusterst per se.t  I Keith saw my post and pointed me to all of his DECUS presentations on hisnI web site. Since he emailed me, and didn't post the web site here, I don'trA feel I should post it myself. Keith, feel free to tell the world.d  C He did tell me that ALL CETS presenters were required to make theirnJ presentations available on the web, so maybe something will show up on the CETS-2000 web page.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:22:01 -0500f7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>c/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up line@- Message-ID: <39EE3EA9.99770822@earthlink.net>d   Michael Moroney wrote: > # > SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> writes:l > * > >> DECnet and LAT are totally unrelated, > B > >Don't know as I'd go quite that far, since I didn't originally. > ( > They're entirely different protocols.   % ...but are *NOT* "totally unrelated".h  # > MOP is as well, but is built intoo	 > DECnet.  [snip] >  > >You mean DECnet/VMS...c >  > No, I meant VMS.  % No, you mean what I said: DECnet/VMS.    >  LANCP comes with VMS    ...V6.2 and later...  % > ..., and no changes are required to I > DECnet to use LANCP, other than configuring DECnet not to try and startm	 > up MOP.n   And exactly how do you do that?a  F I know you can disable line service on individual circuits, but how do3 you configure "DECnet not to try and start up MOP"?a  g3 > >> (before LANCP) you need DECnet to MOP boot anyC > K > >...thing that needs a downline load and only supports MOP for this, suchi > >as certain ...e >  > >> terminal servers that needg > >> it. > H > We were talking about LAT here.  I know of no other uses of MOP/DECnet3 > by LAT other than the mentioned terminal servers.   G LAT does not "use" either MOP or DECnet. Try this, if you have a system-E you can mess with: start up LAT and/or TCP/IP without starting eithero% DECnet or LANACP. It works very well.d  E As to other devices that can boot by MOP, how 'bout bridges, routers,0H X.25 devices, SNA/Gateways not to mention LAVc satellite nodes which can be so configured...$  ' Starting to get the bigger picture now?o  E Perhaps you're being confused by a common misconception: that devices H which boot by MOP must be registered in a "boot node"'s DECnet database.D This is only true of devices which do not request a specific file inD their downline load request, or for which you want/need to provide aC file other than the one requested (I think). If a node can find the D requested file and has line service enabled on the circuit where theG load request was received, it will attempt to service the load request.n  " Don't believe me? Try it yourself.    [snip] > DECnet andK > UCX do not have the change address attribute.  This means that UCX has tosD > be started after DECnet but the others can be started at any time.  ! Try it once and see what happens.   E If you get an error starting DECnet that says something about invalid = parameter value, that means DECnet must be started before the.- protocol(s) you tried to start before DECnet.6   (Specifically, DECnet-IV).   -- o David J. Dachtera3 dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/l  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:24:22 GMTo/ From: StevenU@POBoxes.com (Steven P. Underwood) / Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up linea2 Message-ID: <39ee3e0e.165861861@news.telocity.com>  E In the industrial park at work, Taunton (Massachusetts,USA) Light and E Power has dark fiber that we will be using to join 2 facilites within F the park.  They are currently looking into the possibility of becomingB an ISP as well via the fiber.  I can't wait for the possibility ofE 1Gbps to the internet.  Together with my DSL at home and VMS (VAX and F Alpha) machines at work, I will never have to step inside the building
 again.  ;)   Steve       @ On 18 Oct 2000 04:19:28 GMT, leslie@clio.rice.edu (Jerry Leslie) wrote:  ) >John E. Malmberg (wb8tyw@qsl.net) wrote:  >:7 >: Even the local power utility wants to become an ISP.i >: >u@ >There was an article in "LAN Magazine" 4-5 years ago that said ? >the electric utilities could be the "dark horse" in providing  A >the "last mile" to homes and businesses, since they already own e >the right-of-way. >.G >The article said that many utilities already have dark fiber in place,nF >and that they could provide power management of major appliances suchF >as airconditioners to forestall building new power generation plants.$ >IIRC, the cost would be ~$800/home. >-I >In Houston, Texas, the top ISP for businesses, Insync.Net, was acquired -( >by Reliant Energy Communications. From: >L3 >   http://www.insync.net/aboutus/press_reliant.cfm-E >   RELIANT ENERGY COMMUNICATIONS TO ACQUIRE INSYNC INTERNET SERVICESO >eI >  '"Reliant Energy is intent on growing not just through its traditional K >    energy services' businesses, but through related, non-energy offeringseF >    - such as telecommunications and Internet services - which can beA >    bundled to provide a single-source vendor for our commercialrF >    customers," said Robert W. Harvey, Reliant Energy vice chairman.' >, >c5 >--Jerry Leslie     (my opinions are strictly my own)?   Steven P. Underwood,DNRC Whitinsville,MA  StevenU@POBoxes.com,   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:42:47 GMT-7 From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney)B/ Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up liner& Message-ID: <G2nM3F.MB2@world.std.com>  9 "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:   ) >> They're entirely different protocols. m  & >...but are *NOT* "totally unrelated".  C I don't know how to be more unrelated than being entirely different$
 protocols.   >> >You mean DECnet/VMS... >> o >> No, I meant VMS.n  & >No, you mean what I said: DECnet/VMS.   No I meant VMS, as...5   >>  LANCP comes with VMS   >...V6.2 and later...d    & >> ..., and no changes are required toJ >> DECnet to use LANCP, other than configuring DECnet not to try and start
 >> up MOP.    >And exactly how do you do that?  G >I know you can disable line service on individual circuits, but how dot4 >you configure "DECnet not to try and start up MOP"?  4 It's done on individual circuits, forgot about that.  H >LAT does not "use" either MOP or DECnet. Try this, if you have a systemF >you can mess with: start up LAT and/or TCP/IP without starting either& >DECnet or LANACP. It works very well.  7 Again, I was talking about LAT boxes that boop via MOP.c  F >As to other devices that can boot by MOP, how 'bout bridges, routers,I >X.25 devices, SNA/Gateways not to mention LAVc satellite nodes which can  >be so configured...   Know all about them.  ( >Starting to get the bigger picture now?  L I know how LANs work.  I did, after all, write a VMS LAN device driver once.  
 >> DECnet andlL >> UCX do not have the change address attribute.  This means that UCX has toE >> be started after DECnet but the others can be started at any time.-  " >Try it once and see what happens.  F >If you get an error starting DECnet that says something about invalid> >parameter value, that means DECnet must be started before the. >protocol(s) you tried to start before DECnet.  F Don't have to.  I know what to look for in SDA as well as knowing what+ DECnet does if it can't change the address.c   -Mikej   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:28:40 -0500s7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> / Subject: Re: Extending LATNET over dial-up linee, Message-ID: <39EE5C58.7AEE119@earthlink.net>   Michael Moroney wrote: [snip]9 > Again, I was talking about LAT boxes that boop via MOP.r   Boop? ...as in Betty?   D Remember also that a(n) "LAT box" (example: DECserver-300) becomes aF "multi-protocol" box simply by upgrading the file that it downloads atG boot time (or loads from flash) to one that includes support for TCP/IPrF as well as LAT. With a firmware update, some boxes will even request a" load by either MOP, TFTP or BOOTP.  e [snip]N > I know how LANs work.  I did, after all, write a VMS LAN device driver once.  C Amazing. IMO, you have a very confused/confusing paradigm about howtA these things work and/or inter-relate. I suppose it may just be a G "failure to communicate", though. I've misread meanings before (not the ( first time, probably won't be the last).  - [snip]H > Don't have to.  I know what to look for in SDA as well as knowing what- > DECnet does if it can't change the address.-  @ Then you've probably seen what happens when you start LAT before& DECnet-IV (even as late OpenVMS V7.2).   --   David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemse http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:15:04 -0400d# From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>a% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgenty* Message-ID: <39EDF6B8.8885E7F@hsc.vcu.edu>   what's wrong with diff??   Jime   Robert Taylor wrote: > H > I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a! > file comparison utility on VMS. - > We have two text files ( comma delimited ).nH > Say each file has 4 columns ( varying number of columns handling would > be good ).I > And you want to compare the first 3 columns and ignore the 4th. ( being-> > able to specify columns to ignore would be good also.......) >  > i.eH >  > File1r > ---------.	 > A,B,C,Dc	 > 1,2,3,1g	 > X,Y,Z,Oa >  > File2M
 > --------	 > A,B,C,Z0	 > 1,2,3,9u	 > X,Y,D,Oh > G > If these 2 files were compared using the method I've tried to outline.5 > the utility would report that line 3 was a failure.t > G > Its the equivalent of doing a cut in Unix and piping the results intowI > diff. I know how to do that but I'd appreciate any help on how to do itDH > in VMS. We need the utility for some testing so the faster the better. > Thanks in advance.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:34:26 -0400s" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgent ; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001018153319.01c57b30@24.8.96.48>I  , At 03:15 PM 10/18/00 -0400, Jim Agnew wrote: >what's wrong with diff??e  , That whole "ignore the fourth column" thing.  K Perl's probably the fastest general-purpose tool for this, though it could   certainly be done in DCL.    >Robert Taylor wrote:@ > >aJ > > I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a# > > file comparison utility on VMS. / > > We have two text files ( comma delimited ).0J > > Say each file has 4 columns ( varying number of columns handling would > > be good ).K > > And you want to compare the first 3 columns and ignore the 4th. ( beinge@ > > able to specify columns to ignore would be good also.......) > >- > > i.e  > > 	 > > File1 
 > > ---------M > > A,B,C,Dr > > 1,2,3,1o > > X,Y,Z,OD > >e	 > > File2C > > -------- > > A,B,C,Zn > > 1,2,3,9b > > X,Y,D,Op > >sI > > If these 2 files were compared using the method I've tried to outline.7 > > the utility would report that line 3 was a failure.  > >nI > > Its the equivalent of doing a cut in Unix and piping the results intooK > > diff. I know how to do that but I'd appreciate any help on how to do ituJ > > in VMS. We need the utility for some testing so the faster the better. > > Thanks in advance.     					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------p2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evene;                                       teddy bears get drunke   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:34:34 GMTa- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>a% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgents( Message-ID: <39EDFB3E.130D85E0@ohio.edu>  I He wants to be able to ignore differences in certain "columns" defined byeL the comma-delimiters.  I, for one, don't know how to do that with DIFFERENCE in DCL.0  #                                 RDPn     Jim Agnew wrote:   > what's wrong with diff?? >t > Jimo >* > Robert Taylor wrote: > >nJ > > I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a# > > file comparison utility on VMS.h/ > > We have two text files ( comma delimited ).tJ > > Say each file has 4 columns ( varying number of columns handling would > > be good ).K > > And you want to compare the first 3 columns and ignore the 4th. ( beinge@ > > able to specify columns to ignore would be good also.......) > >e > > i.e  > >,	 > > File1m
 > > ---------r > > A,B,C,D  > > 1,2,3,1  > > X,Y,Z,O  > >e	 > > File2p > > -------- > > A,B,C,Zh > > 1,2,3,9e > > X,Y,D,Oh > >oI > > If these 2 files were compared using the method I've tried to outline 7 > > the utility would report that line 3 was a failure.  > >oI > > Its the equivalent of doing a cut in Unix and piping the results intoeK > > diff. I know how to do that but I'd appreciate any help on how to do it-J > > in VMS. We need the utility for some testing so the faster the better. > > Thanks in advance.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:09:13 GMTg+ From: Craig A. Berry <calepine@my-deja.com>t% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgents) Message-ID: <8sl013$e9l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  , In article <39EDB194.58833CD9@jpmorgan.com>,3   Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> wrote: H > I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a! > file comparison utility on VMS.a- > We have two text files ( comma delimited ). H > Say each file has 4 columns ( varying number of columns handling would > be good ).C > And you want to compare the first 3 columns and ignore the 4th. (t beingl> > able to specify columns to ignore would be good also.......)  C If it has to be pure DCL, you'd probably best read in the files andi? make intensive use of F$ELEMENT.  Perl's easier and can just bed downloaded and installed from:  H <http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/apache/apache_modper l.html>-    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 20:39:26 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown)% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgent . Message-ID: <8sl1pu$1dh$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  1 Robert Taylor (taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com) wrote: H : I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a! : file comparison utility on VMS. - : We have two text files ( comma delimited ).sH : Say each file has 4 columns ( varying number of columns handling would : be good ).I : And you want to compare the first 3 columns and ignore the 4th. ( beings> : able to specify columns to ignore would be good also.......)  I It wouldn't be a very difficult command file to write, maybe 20-40 lines.nI Create temporary files which do not contain the columns you don't want tosG compare, then use $DIFFERENCE to compare them and print the differencese between the temporary files.  G Your command file would use DCL commands like OPEN, READ, WRITE and thes lexical F$ELEMENT.  H You could even program the comparison yourself, if the lines between theH two command files were always paired.  If you had to worry about gettingH back in step because lines might be inserted into one of the files, thenG your command file would be much longer, and I probably would rather uset $DIFF then.r  I Would this do the job?  Do you need more information or a working commandt file?    - Rob      -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com 6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:03:16 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>e% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgentm, Message-ID: <39EE100C.7FAEDEB9@videotron.ca>   Robert Taylor wrote: > File1T > ----------	 > A,B,C,De	 > 1,2,3,13	 > X,Y,Z,O7 >  > File2k
 > --------	 > A,B,C,Ze	 > 1,2,3,9 	 > X,Y,D,On   How about writing this in DCL ?> Open the two files,oK then loop, reading one record from each file, and using lexicals to extractoK the first 3 fields from each record, compare the 3 individual fields, write"@ sys$output if they are not equal, and then go back to the loop ?  I the lexical F$ELEMENT will be your friend on this. (to extract individual $ values in the coma separate record).   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 21:00:48 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgent 6 Message-ID: <8sl320$hnp$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  _ In article <39EDB194.58833CD9@jpmorgan.com>, Robert Taylor <taylor_robert@jpmorgan.com> writes: G :I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for aP  :file comparison utility on VMS., :We have two text files ( comma delimited ).G :Say each file has 4 columns ( varying number of columns handling would  :be good ). H :And you want to compare the first 3 columns and ignore the 4th. ( being= :able to specify columns to ignore would be good also.......)n  H   About fifteen or twenty lines of DCL would be needed to create a tool F   to do this comparison.  OPEN the two files, READ a record from each,D   f$element the three fields of interest, compare, and print out theC   differences.  Or OPEN an input file, OPEN an output file, READ antB   input record, use f$extract to pull out the first three fields, F   WRITE the resulting record to the output, CLOSE when done, and (whenA   two files are available) then DIFFERENCE the resulting file(s).t  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:13:56 -0400e- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>v% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgento, Message-ID: <39EE128B.310CD0E3@videotron.ca>   Robert Taylor wrote: > i > I'm sure its pretty straightforward in perl or C or whatever. But I would still prefer to do it in DCL.e       $OPEN/READ file1 mydata1.datas $OPEN/READ file2 mydata2.datae
 $myrecord = 0e $mycount = 0 $! $LOOPo  $READ/END=endloop1 file1 recordA  $READ/END=endloop2 file2 recordB $myrecord = myrecord + 1# $field1A = F$element(0,",",recordA)E# $field1B = F$element(0,",",recordB)t# $field2A = F$element(1,",",recordA)n# $field2B = F$element(1,",",recordB)  etc 	 $diff = 0c' $if field1A .nes. field1B then diff = 1y' $if field2A .nes. field2B then diff = 1o etcg $if diff .eq. 1r $thenp $mycount = mycount + 1' $write sys$output "Record ''myrecord':"g) $write sys$output "    file1=>''recordA'" ) $write sys$output "    file2=>''recordB'"r $write sys$output ""      
 $endloop1:: $! end of file reached on file1 before file2. Deal with it $endloop2: t: $! end of file reached on file2 before file1, deal with it $!M $write sys$output "Records read: ''myrecord'   Differences found: ''mycount'"  $close file1 $close file2   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:10:47 -0400 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>n% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgente+ Message-ID: <39EE11D7.C15E22E4@hsc.vcu.edu>n  J now THAT i'd like to know also... perl or something *would* be required...   Jime   "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:f > K > He wants to be able to ignore differences in certain "columns" defined by N > the comma-delimiters.  I, for one, don't know how to do that with DIFFERENCE	 > in DCL.  > % >                                 RDPn >  > Jim Agnew wrote: >  > > what's wrong with diff?? > >  > > Jim  > >  > > Robert Taylor wrote: > > >eL > > > I wonder if anyone could give a DCL solution ( or any solution ) for a% > > > file comparison utility on VMS. 1 > > > We have two text files ( comma delimited ). L > > > Say each file has 4 columns ( varying number of columns handling would > > > be good ).M > > > And you want to compare the first 3 columns and ignore the 4th. ( beingaB > > > able to specify columns to ignore would be good also.......) > > >m	 > > > i.en > > >h > > > File1i > > > ---------a
 > > > A,B,C,D 
 > > > 1,2,3,1n
 > > > X,Y,Z,O, > > >s > > > File28 > > > --------
 > > > A,B,C,Zs
 > > > 1,2,3,9o
 > > > X,Y,D,On > > >tK > > > If these 2 files were compared using the method I've tried to outlinew9 > > > the utility would report that line 3 was a failure.C > > >AK > > > Its the equivalent of doing a cut in Unix and piping the results into M > > > diff. I know how to do that but I'd appreciate any help on how to do it L > > > in VMS. We need the utility for some testing so the faster the better. > > > Thanks in advance. >  > --D > ==================================================================D > Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerD > piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesD > http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 18:19:19 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)j% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgentl+ Message-ID: <fbT0rDHrGOaR@eisner.decus.org>   ` In article <5.0.0.25.0.20001018153319.01c57b30@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:. > At 03:15 PM 10/18/00 -0400, Jim Agnew wrote: >>what's wrong with diff?? > . > That whole "ignore the fourth column" thing. > < > Perl's probably the fastest general-purpose tool for this,  > 97 characters in TECO, with the DCL command spelled out fully, for clarity :-)    eb1.dat<3fn,$!$;>ecd eb2.dat<3fn,$!$;>ec.7 egdifferences 1.dat 2.dat/ignore=comments/comment="!"$$    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:01:24 -0400t" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org>% Subject: Re: File Comparison - Urgentl; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001018180104.00b1feb0@24.8.96.48>   2 At 06:19 PM 10/18/00 -0500, Larry Kilgallen wrote:J >In article <5.0.0.25.0.20001018153319.01c57b30@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski  ><dan@sidhe.org> writes:0 > > At 03:15 PM 10/18/00 -0400, Jim Agnew wrote: > >>what's wrong with diff?? > > 0 > > That whole "ignore the fourth column" thing. > >s> > > Perl's probably the fastest general-purpose tool for this, >h? >97 characters in TECO, with the DCL command spelled out fully,n >for clarity :-) >o >eb1.dat<3fn,$!$;>ec >eb2.dat<3fn,$!$;>ec8 >egdifferences 1.dat 2.dat/ignore=comments/comment="!"$$  4 Nah, that can't possibly be TECO. It's legible... :)   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------b2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and evenn;                                       teddy bears get drunkn   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 17:18:09 +1300u" From: Bill Eaton <fozzie@fp.co.nz>- Subject: FS microvax 3100-85, 128mb, 6gb, 8mma( Message-ID: <39EE7601.23632594@fp.co.nz>   Available ex Auckland:? Microvax 3100-85, 128mb memory, 2x 1.3GB disks, 2x 2.0GB disks,-D vt420 console, TTi8510 tape (exabyte 8500 compatible).  VMS license.  Bill Eaton email fozzie@fp.co.nz   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:57:42 -0500D' From: "Butler,Jim" <JBUTLER@cerner.com>h& Subject: Re: Halon dump - a data pointM Message-ID: <D15ED542E12BD3119FFE00805F6551F009CBEAA0@mailwhqnews.cerner.com>e  G My home halon extinguisher developed a leak at the valve. All it reallyo lost was some of the nitrogen.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:03:10 +0200n From: frank65_8@norcol.ac.uk! Subject: Hi, this is for you.....e0 Message-ID: <200010182103.XAA02434@ns.telpro.cz>   Dear Friend:  " Do you need a change in your life?  8 Do you remember when the entire world seemed like it was yours for the taking?a  ? Do you remember a time when all of your hopes and dreams seemed/ like they were attainable?  C First of all, let's be honest. You are not going to earn $50,000 ingA 20 days. It just isn't going to happen. Anyone who tells you thatsB you can, is not being truthful.  But, let me tell you about a plan@ that can possibly make all your dreams come true...keep reading!  D ********************************************************************  ? I would like to tell you about a plan that has changed my life.yC Take a calculator and figure in the worst possible scenario. DecidePA for yourself. If you decide that you want to take control of yourS. life and move forward...that is your decision.  D ********************************************************************  % Here's the step by step plan summary.,  B 1)You order the 4 reports listed below ($5 each). They come to you	 by email.g  C 2)Save a copy of this entire letter and put your name at report #1.0C Move all other names  down. (You will be removing the person at thep level 4)  ; 3)Use any of the hundreds of bulk email services out there.o  C 4)Orders will come right to your door. Simply email them the reporte3 they ordered.Isn't that about as easy as it gets???   D ********************************************************************  ? Your cost to participate in this program is practically nothingn> (surely you can afford $20 and initial bulk mailing cost). 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This newt$ program complies with all the rules.  = To be legal, a chain letter must offer a product and must nots< promise you will get rich by taking part. If you look at the? program, do the math and decide that you will make money, it ist$ your opinion. No such claim is here.  < However, I do strongly encourage you to do the calculations.A Figure out the worst possible response and see how it calculates.   A Your orders come right to your door and you send your reports via 0 email. You are not involved in personal selling.  C You do it privately in your own home, store, or office. This is the-; EASIEST plan anywhere. It is simply order filling by email.i  C Order the four reports shown on the list below. You can't sell thems if you don't order them!!!.i  B For each report, send $5.00 CASH, the  NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT> YOU ARE ORDERING, YOUR EMAIL ADDRESS, and YOUR NAME AND RETURNC ADDRESS (in case there's a problem).  MAKE SURE YOUR RETURN ADDRESS 0 IS ON THE ENVELOPE IN CASE OF ANY MAIL PROBLEMS!  ? Report #1 will tell you how to download bulk email software andd= email addresses so you can send it out to thousands while youa@ sleep. Remember that 50,000+ new people are joining the Internet every month.  C By the way, there are over 50 million email addresses with millionsa< more joining the Internet each year, so we don't worry about= "saturation".  People are used to seeing and hearing the samefB advertisements every day on radio/TV.  How often have you received@ the same pizza flyers on your door. Then, one day you are hungry@ for pizza and immediately recall the flyer. Same thing with thisA letter. I received this letter many times- then one day I decidedt it was time to try it.  B This program will not require you to come into contact with people: or take any telephone calls. Just follow the instructions.  : There is no guarantee either stated or implied that anyone< participating in this program will earn $50,000+.  (You must+ include that statement to make this legal.)     ******* TIPS FOR SUCCESS *******  @ TREAT THIS AS YOUR BUSINESS! Be prompt, professional, and followC the directions accurately. -- Send for the four reports IMMEDIATELYhC so you will have them when the orders start coming in because: WhencG you receive a $5 order, you MUST send out the requested product/report.-  @ It is required for this to be a legal business and they need theE reports to send out their letters (with your name on them!) -- ALWAYSsA PROVIDE SAME-DAY SERVICE ON THE ORDERS YOU RECEIVE. -- Be patient4! and persistent with this program.T  F **********************************************************************@ Get started TODAY!! Notes- ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (US CURRENCY) FORC EACH REPORT.  CHECKS NOT ACCEPTED.  make sure the cash is concealeda= by wrapping it in two sheets of paper. On one of those sheetsdB write: (a) the number and name of the report you are ordering, (b): your e-mail address, and (c) your name and postal address.    > REPORT #1  "The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on the	 Internet"e   ORDER REPORT #1 FROM:e   S. STARK P.O. BOX 61009 HOUSTON, TEXAS 77208-1009t    = REPORT #2  "The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on thec	 Internet"p   ORDER REPORT #2 FROM:_  
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 RUSSELL OLSEN( 5409 YARMOUTH AVE #3 ENCINO, CA 91316    D ********************************************************************C This ad is being sent in compliance with Senate Bill 1618, Title 3, ! section 301, paragraph (a)(2)(C).p  @ Further transmissions to you by the sender of this e-mail may beC stopped at no cost to you by sending a reply to this e-mail addressv, with the words "remove" in the subject line.D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:51:54 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam) A Subject: Re: how can I get the ip address from a decterm session? ! Message-ID: <6y0irLlqsFw8@ludens>   J In article <200010181353.IAA02034@exwin.tqtx.com>, rmegee@tqtx.com writes:O > Given the process id of a decterm session, i need to determine the ip addresstK > used.  I've tried the methods that work for telnet sessions but they onlyf > return an empty value.    4 at first read the article what VAXman- answered, and   $ define sys$error nl: /user $ define sys$output nl: /usern $ SHOW DISPLAY/SYMBOL     ' (the /SYMBOL qualifier is undocumented)b  K you can get the remote Xserver node name as symbol called DECW$DISPLAY_NODEnE also you must check that DECW$DISPLAY_TRANSPORT is defined as "TCPIP" + neither "LOCAL" nor "DECNET" nor any other.-   DECW$DISPLAY_NODE  DECW$DISPLAY_SCREEN3 DECW$DISPLAY_SERVERM DECW$DISPLAY_TRANSPORT    B (This is not always exact, for example when you connetct with OSU E ssh server with Xtransport and then DECW$DISPLAY_TRANSPORT is DECNET,-E neither "ssh" nor "TCPIP" and DECW$DISPLAY_NODE is a local node. Etc),       > Thanks >  > Robert Megee > -- r     Adam Maulis    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:00:31 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r' Subject: Re: How to send an SMS messager- Message-ID: <39EE55BF.40BF66AB@earthlink.net>n  
 Wim wrote: > L > Hello I would like to get a message on my cell phone if something happends  > on one of our vaxes or alphas.G > I have a phonenumber from a sms message provider and when I do it theG: > interactive way everything works fine, but not in batch., > This is an example of the interactive way. >  > $ Set Host/Dte Lta7000:u' > %REM-I-TOQUIT, connection established3 > / > Press Ctrl/\ to quit, Ctrl/@ for command modeg >  > atzt > OK > atdt 0654545000  > CONNECT 2400 > < > Some text asking me for the phone number of the cell phone > >1234567890 ( example input )o5 > Some text asking for the message max 160 charactersg > >Testf6 > Some telling me that the message is succesfuly send. > NO CARRIERN > But when I do it in an DCL procedure everything is send at once, I dont know$ > how to put delays in the com file. > ) > Can anyone please give me som pointers.t >  > Many thanks in advance  E Well, Gotfryd has a good idea. I've done that ("talk" to a modem in ahC DCL proc. - even fired up XMODEM and sent a file!) and I found this. useful:    $ CR[0,8] = 13 $ OPEN/READ/WRITE MODEM LTA700:u, $ READ MODEM P9/PROMPT="ATDT0654545000''CR'"  F Be careful, though, because the first character in the string returned@ by the modem may be a line feed, IIRC. Not sure. Been a while...  3 Otherwise, yeah - KERMIT might be very useful here.s   -- i David J. Dachtera- dba DJE SystemsH http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/,  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:05:26 -0400s# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>rR Subject: RE: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany)D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD85E@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: helbig@astro.rug.nl [mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl]+ > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 1:49 PM  > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com 6 > Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP  > connection (for VMS) > (Germany)e >  > 6 > In article <39ED7EB4.8BAE885B@Compaq.com>, Roy Omond! > <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com> writes: > > > > > However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many  > in this newsgroupd; > > have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need t > static addresses.!@ > > I personally would recommend the Netgear family of routers.  >  They're cheap,r9 > > a dawdle to setup, flexible, support NAT (a definite o > prerequisite for your ? > > situation), and well supported.  That's what I use at home.  > > > Will this allow IP access on demand from outside and inside  > and allow a 6 > domain name to be associated with my stuff?  Is NAT  > compatible with VMS? >   H I've never seen an ISP which would configure it's routers to dial you onJ demand.  It's possible, I've just never seen it.  If you can get xDSL, get: it.  It's always connected so there's no dialing involved.  I NAT is compatible with VMS.  VMS won't know that the NAT is happening and : NAT won't know that the packets are from/for a VMS system.    ?   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 18:58:49 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)R Subject: RE: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany). Message-ID: <8skrt9$5q7$1@info.service.rug.nl>  D In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD85E@berry.mvpsi.com>,& John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:   J > I've never seen an ISP which would configure it's routers to dial you on4 > demand.  It's possible, I've just never seen it.    I I've talked to some who will do it, for a price.  Also provide static IP   address.   > If you can get xDSL, get< > it.  It's always connected so there's no dialing involved.  G I can get it.  Bandwidth is supposedly higher than ISDN, telephone can u work at the same time etc.  K > NAT is compatible with VMS.  VMS won't know that the NAT is happening andn< > NAT won't know that the packets are from/for a VMS system.  F This sounds good.  I need a) static IP addresses---possible with this " scheme and b) to know what NAT is.  E Suppose I have an DSL connection in the house.  What do I need to do,=D step by step---hardware, software, talking to people?  Can I connect! non-VMS machines to this as well?A   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:29:18 -0400 # From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>tR Subject: RE: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany)D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD860@berry.mvpsi.com>   > -----Original Message-----8 > From: helbig@astro.rug.nl [mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl]+ > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:59 PM. > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com26 > Subject: RE: looking for company to provide home IP  > connection (for VMS) > (Germany)t >  > F > In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD85E@berry.mvpsi.com>,( > John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:  > > > > I've never seen an ISP which would configure it's routers  > to dial you on6 > > demand.  It's possible, I've just never seen it.   > 9 > I've talked to some who will do it, for a price.  Also n > provide static IP 
 > address. >  > > If you can get xDSL, get> > > it.  It's always connected so there's no dialing involved. > ; > I can get it.  Bandwidth is supposedly higher than ISDN, 1 > telephone can  > work at the same time etc. > @ > > NAT is compatible with VMS.  VMS won't know that the NAT is  > happening and.> > > NAT won't know that the packets are from/for a VMS system. > H > This sounds good.  I need a) static IP addresses---possible with this $ > scheme and b) to know what NAT is. > G > Suppose I have an DSL connection in the house.  What do I need to do,9F > step by step---hardware, software, talking to people?  Can I connect# > non-VMS machines to this as well?e >  >3  K You need a xDSL router.  The DSL equipment will probably be dictated by thea ISP.  I NAT is Network Address Translation.  Your router will use a single public-J static IP address to connect to the ISP.  It will use a private IP addressL on its Ethernet interface.  The machines in your network will use private IPL addresses too.  For example, all of your machines could use addresses in theJ 192.168.1.x range.   The default router would be the DSL router.  When oneL of your machines tries to connect to a machine on the internet it would sendK a packet to the router which would secretly change the machines 192.168.1.xrF address to the static public IP address.  It also keeps track of who'sH connected where so when a packet comes back, it can change the static IP0 address back to the correct 192.168.1.x address.  L For incoming connections, you have to tell the router which local machine itK should direct connection requests to.  You do this by port so you could say9I connections to port 25 (SMTP) should go to 192.168.1.5 and connections toh( port 80 (HTTP) should go to 192.168.1.6.   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:36:15 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)lR Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany)0 Message-ID: <009F1CA9.FF21CCC9@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <8sknpi$4f5$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:a5 >In article <39ED7EB4.8BAE885B@Compaq.com>, Roy Omondr  ><Roy.Omond@Compaq.com> writes:  >lN >> However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many in this newsgroupK >> have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need static addresses.oN >> I personally would recommend the Netgear family of routers.  They're cheap,M >> a dawdle to setup, flexible, support NAT (a definite prerequisite for your*> >> situation), and well supported.  That's what I use at home. >pI >Will this allow IP access on demand from outside and inside and allow a oI >domain name to be associated with my stuff?  Is NAT compatible with VMS? I                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*  J Why not?  NAT -- Network Address Translation -- changes the packet addressJ from the WAN side to the address on the inside.  Many of the devices whichK provide this make it very easy to maintain a static set of addresses on the G machine on the inside while the WAN address may change (DHCP assigned).n  h   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMe            sO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.t   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 21:07:54 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)R Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany)6 Message-ID: <8sl3fa$hnp$3@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8sknqq$4f5$3@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:yA :Right, so to do what I want, at least with VMS (the only seriouss( :choice), I need static IP addresses....  G   The DHCP client is in field test for TCP/IP Services, and is expectedt-   to be present in the upcoming V5.1 release.a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:48:23 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)R Subject: RE: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany). Message-ID: <8sl9bn$9pe$1@info.service.rug.nl>  D In article <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD860@berry.mvpsi.com>,& John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> writes:   M > You need a xDSL router.  The DSL equipment will probably be dictated by the* > ISP. > ' > NAT is Network Address Translation.  $   OK.0  & > Your router will use a single publicL > static IP address to connect to the ISP.  It will use a private IP addressN > on its Ethernet interface.  The machines in your network will use private IPN > addresses too.  For example, all of your machines could use addresses in theL > 192.168.1.x range.   The default router would be the DSL router.  When oneN > of your machines tries to connect to a machine on the internet it would sendM > a packet to the router which would secretly change the machines 192.168.1.xiH > address to the static public IP address.  It also keeps track of who'sJ > connected where so when a packet comes back, it can change the static IP2 > address back to the correct 192.168.1.x address. > N > For incoming connections, you have to tell the router which local machine itM > should direct connection requests to.  You do this by port so you could say K > connections to port 25 (SMTP) should go to 192.168.1.5 and connections tod* > port 80 (HTTP) should go to 192.168.1.6.  C Suppose YOU want to telnet into my machine, access its webserver oryE whatever.  Could you do it?  Based on the (local) IP---no, apparentlysD (since other people could have the same ones).  Based on some other G static IP---no, apparently doesn't exist in this setup.  Based on some  F name which somehow gets resolved to my machine---if so, how does this  work?    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:49:18 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)R Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany). Message-ID: <8sl9de$9pe$2@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <009F1CA9.FF21CCC9@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG( (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) writes:   ] > In article <8sknpi$4f5$2@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:a7 > >In article <39ED7EB4.8BAE885B@Compaq.com>, Roy Omondt" > ><Roy.Omond@Compaq.com> writes:  > >hP > >> However, if you go the ISDN (or ADSL) router way (as many in this newsgroupM > >> have recommended, including myself), you do *not* need static addresses.aP > >> I personally would recommend the Netgear family of routers.  They're cheap,O > >> a dawdle to setup, flexible, support NAT (a definite prerequisite for yourd@ > >> situation), and well supported.  That's what I use at home. > > K > >Will this allow IP access on demand from outside and inside and allow a vK > >domain name to be associated with my stuff?  Is NAT compatible with VMS? K >                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^n > L > Why not?  NAT -- Network Address Translation -- changes the packet addressL > from the WAN side to the address on the inside.  Many of the devices whichM > provide this make it very easy to maintain a static set of addresses on theSI > machine on the inside while the WAN address may change (DHCP assigned).   H OK.  But if YOU want to connect to my machine, what do you have to know?   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:53:30 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)R Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany). Message-ID: <8sl9la$9pe$3@info.service.rug.nl>  5 In article <39EE16B9.F030BBF0@videotron.ca>, JF MezeiY' <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:     > Phillip Helbig wrote:tI > > This sounds good.  I need a) static IP addresses---possible with this*& > > scheme and b) to know what NAT is. >  >  > Network Address Translation. >  > ISP <===> ROUTER <====> VAX. > U > Your VAX might be configurtted to use 10.0.0.1 as IP address, all the time (fixed).s! > VAX uses "ROUTER" as a gateway.a > M > ROUTER negotiates the DHCP thing with the ISP. The ISP only sees the ROUTERpG > and only assigns a single IP to the ROUTER. (example: 24.200.196.37 )e > I > So, when VAX (10.0.0.1) wants to connect to www.porno.com, it sends theSA > request to the router. Router then translates the "10.0.0.1" toiK > "24.200.196.37", sends the request to the internet, and for any data that 8 > comes back, it gets sent back to your VAX at 10.0.0.1  > N > The beauty is that you can cheat and put many machines on your lan. Your ISPL > will only see the router and think that all the traffic is coming from the  > same machine with a single IP. >   > Inbound calls work similarly: P > when someone dials 24.200.196.37, your ISP routes the call to your line and itJ > reaches the router. The router has a table that tells it what to do withO > incoming calls for certain ports. If you have configured port 8-0 requests to1P > be sent to your VAX at 10.0.0.1, then the router will route it to 10.0.0.1 andL > your vax then processes the htpp request and sends back the html response. > M > The problem with this is that your NAT router is configured statically with*N > regards to how to route inbound calls. If you have multiple vaxes, it is notJ > possible for the remote user to specify which vax to connect to. This is# > "hardcoded" in the router by you.n > J > If you have multiple PCs with software such as ICQ, IRC etc, this can beP > problematic since the router will always route inbound connections to the sameP > PC even though it may be another PC that is running the ICQ/irc at the moment.   These are disadvantages.  C Let me make two things clear which are perhaps not clear.  ANYBODY uH should be able to access the machines, based on NAMES (or addresses, if F they don't change, but in that case I could associate them with names F through DNS etc).  Also, it's not just the fixed IP addresses for the H machine, but fixed AND UNIQUE in the entire world.  Otherwise, how does  one get to my machine?  : If one can get to it by name without it having a---for theF world---fixedd number, OK, but then I couldn't run my own DNS server, > access individual machines on my lan from outside etc---right?   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 23:03:33 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)R Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany). Message-ID: <8sla85$9pe$5@info.service.rug.nl>  5 In article <39EE146E.ECF91634@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei ' <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: h   > Phillip Helbig wrote:iK > > Will this allow IP access on demand from outside and inside and allow aFL > > domain name to be associated with my stuff?  Is NAT compatible with VMS? > N > ISDN may not allow "on demand" line setup for inbound connections since yourL > ISP won't see you while not connected and won't know who to call since you > don't "own" the IP address.n  G I think the idea is that I do "own" it, or at least lease it from them.t  N > With a fixed IP address, the ISP will have an equivalence between IP addressP > and phone number, so when an inbound connection comes, the ISP is able to dialO > your ISDN modem to establish the link. But with a dynamic address, they won't 
 > do that.  ) Right, which is why it needs to be fixed.x  N > With ADSL and DSL (and cable), these are permanent always-on connections, soM > inbound calls are technically possible. The trick is to have the users knowc4 > what IP address is assigned to you at this moment.   Right.  P > Another important point is to read the fine print on your ISP's contract. EvenM > if technically, you might be abe to find ways to allow inbound connections,d) > doing so may violate your subscription.i  I Right, though I've heard lots of folks say "I have a LAN behind my cable M modem and the ISP can't tell".  P > As far as NAT is concerned, your will require this for VMS. Since VMS does notP > have a DHCP client (yet), it needs to be given a fixed IP address. By buying aN > router that does NAT, it allows you to run your local TCP network with localM > (10.* for instance) fixed adresses. The router does the DHCP stuff with therO > ISP without the VAXes being aware since they always talk to the same box (theo( > router) with the same IP on your side.  E Right, fixed IP for VMS, but they need to be fixed and unique in the .I world so that anyone (or just me; if I'm in an internet cafe oversees, I  8 am technically equivalent to anybody :-)) can get there.  P > And you can program your router to route incoming calls to a specific machine.O > (for instance, inbound calls to port 80 (http) may go to VAX1, while incomingeC > calls to port 25 (SMTP) might be routed to your VAX2 on your lan.    ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 23:35 CST:' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)OR Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS) (Germany)- Message-ID: <18OCT200023350459@gerg.tamu.edu>M   helbig@astro.rug.nl writes...tF }Right, fixed IP for VMS, but they need to be fixed and unique in the J }world so that anyone (or just me; if I'm in an internet cafe oversees, I 9 }am technically equivalent to anybody :-)) can get there.y   Not necessarily.  E The NAT scheme is the low-end solution for hanging multiple nodes offrB the connection. The router has the "fixed and unique in the world"? address, and it can route incoming connections to precisely oneiC internal system per port number (as far as I know, I doubt that anylD such devices do round-robin distribution or anything like that) - so@ incoming the SMTP connections all go to one specific system, theD incoming port 80 HTTP connections all go to one specific system (youB can, of course, run web servers on other systems using other port C numbers - one per system to allow connections to multiple servers),rC the incoming TELNET connections (on the default port) all go to oneoA system, etc. Outgoing connections have the associations set up onr the fly, of course.e  B It has disadvantages, but for home use it is usually fine. Some of@ the disadvantages can be worked around - you can run web servers@ on different ports on different systems, set up telnet to accept? connections on different ports on different systems (preferably<B in addition to the default one, rather than instead of it, to make@ it easier for local use), etc. This may not be a great solution, but it should work.t  C Of course, for telnet this is probably more complex than necessary. B You don't necessarily need multiple systems visible to the outsideE world for telnet - just one. You connect to that one, then from therecA you can connect to any of the others using the private addresses.h  D The other possibility is to forget NAT and get multiple IP addressesB (or an entire subnet) instead of a single IP address. This will be more expensive, of course.     --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:58:20 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>bQ Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany) , Message-ID: <39EE0EE4.91ABB4DE@videotron.ca>   "John E. Malmberg" wrote:cN > Also with DHCP, you usually keep the same address unless you disconnect fromL > the network for longer then the lease time, or the ISP shuts down the DHCP% > server for the same length of time.v    M Yeah that is what they say. But my experience in the past 2 months shows thatBF this is not something you can rely on. My ISP has been playing around,L reconfiguring its network many times, changing software versions on my modemJ and their routers (and probably DHCP servers) and my IP address got tossedN around many many times. Enough that I have a collection of IP addresses I haveK written down to use whenever these guys assign me an IP address on a routeroM that doesn't work, I will hardcode one of the previously assigned adresses one their older routers.  T I can say that CISCO software is most certaintly not bug free in their new releases.  C The latest I heard is that the cable modem acts as a router, and itrK intercepts/interprets your DHCP requests as well as the DHCP responses fromrL the server on the net (and keeps a table of assigned IP adresses, inside the' limits of what you have subscribed to).    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:21:59 -0400t- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>nQ Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)s, Message-ID: <39EE146E.ECF91634@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:NI > Will this allow IP access on demand from outside and inside and allow adJ > domain name to be associated with my stuff?  Is NAT compatible with VMS?  L ISDN may not allow "on demand" line setup for inbound connections since yourJ ISP won't see you while not connected and won't know who to call since you don't "own" the IP address.t  L With a fixed IP address, the ISP will have an equivalence between IP addressN and phone number, so when an inbound connection comes, the ISP is able to dialM your ISDN modem to establish the link. But with a dynamic address, they won't  do that.  L With ADSL and DSL (and cable), these are permanent always-on connections, soK inbound calls are technically possible. The trick is to have the users knowl2 what IP address is assigned to you at this moment.  N Another important point is to read the fine print on your ISP's contract. EvenK if technically, you might be abe to find ways to allow inbound connections,h' doing so may violate your subscription.o  N As far as NAT is concerned, your will require this for VMS. Since VMS does notN have a DHCP client (yet), it needs to be given a fixed IP address. By buying aL router that does NAT, it allows you to run your local TCP network with localK (10.* for instance) fixed adresses. The router does the DHCP stuff with the-M ISP without the VAXes being aware since they always talk to the same box (thea& router) with the same IP on your side.  N And you can program your router to route incoming calls to a specific machine.M (for instance, inbound calls to port 80 (http) may go to VAX1, while incoming5A calls to port 25 (SMTP) might be routed to your VAX2 on your lan.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:31:46 -0400p- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> Q Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)g, Message-ID: <39EE16B9.F030BBF0@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:eG > This sounds good.  I need a) static IP addresses---possible with thist$ > scheme and b) to know what NAT is.     Network Address Translation.   ISP <===> ROUTER <====> VAXs  S Your VAX might be configurtted to use 10.0.0.1 as IP address, all the time (fixed).a VAX uses "ROUTER" as a gateway.a  K ROUTER negotiates the DHCP thing with the ISP. The ISP only sees the ROUTER E and only assigns a single IP to the ROUTER. (example: 24.200.196.37 )N  G So, when VAX (10.0.0.1) wants to connect to www.porno.com, it sends the ? request to the router. Router then translates the "10.0.0.1" to I "24.200.196.37", sends the request to the internet, and for any data thatn6 comes back, it gets sent back to your VAX at 10.0.0.1   L The beauty is that you can cheat and put many machines on your lan. Your ISPJ will only see the router and think that all the traffic is coming from the same machine with a single IP.   Inbound calls work similarly: N when someone dials 24.200.196.37, your ISP routes the call to your line and itH reaches the router. The router has a table that tells it what to do withM incoming calls for certain ports. If you have configured port 8-0 requests tooN be sent to your VAX at 10.0.0.1, then the router will route it to 10.0.0.1 andJ your vax then processes the htpp request and sends back the html response.  K The problem with this is that your NAT router is configured statically with L regards to how to route inbound calls. If you have multiple vaxes, it is notH possible for the remote user to specify which vax to connect to. This is! "hardcoded" in the router by you.   H If you have multiple PCs with software such as ICQ, IRC etc, this can beN problematic since the router will always route inbound connections to the sameN PC even though it may be another PC that is running the ICQ/irc at the moment.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:35:22 -0400>- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>CQ Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)S, Message-ID: <39EE1790.7B7CDFDB@videotron.ca>  M Another important aspect. Some DSL services don't actually provide TCPIP over N ethernet, they provide PPP over ethernet and you seen special drivers provided  for the PCs to use these things.  K There are routers that will  do the PPP-ether to TCPIP-ether conversion for N you so that your local LAN is pure TCPIP without any need for special drivers.  K It goes to say that MS drivers for the "proprietary" PPP-ethernet DSL stuffe are rather useless on a VAX.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:29:40 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>6Q Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany) , Message-ID: <39EE4E82.AE2043AC@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:PE > Suppose YOU want to telnet into my machine, access its webserver org > whatever.  Could you do it?t  J yes you can. But the caller will need to know the numerica IP address thatC your router has negotiated with your ISP at the time of connection.h  L So, at regular intervals, your VAX would have to talks to the router to findI out what IP address the router has negotiated from your ISP. Then the VAXo@ would  notify "whatever" of the current IP address to reach you.  K Because that IP address can potentially change at the whim of your ISP, you ( can't associate a name to an IP address.  N However, you could get one of those free web hosting services to host one pageJ of yours which would be updated by your VAX at regular intervals and wouldS contain a redirect to your numeric IP address that is currently used by the router.g   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:37:19 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>eQ Subject: Re: looking for company to provide home IP connection (for VMS)(Germany)e, Message-ID: <39EE504D.844FB771@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote:,< > If one can get to it by name without it having a---for theG > world---fixedd number, OK, but then I couldn't run my own DNS server,t@ > access individual machines on my lan from outside etc---right?  K No. by the time your router gets the inbound call request, it is in numericoK form only. It doesn't know what the remote user typed in as name. (from theiJ routing point of view). The HTTP server will see the HTTP headers which doH contain what the user typed in, but by that time, the request is already" inside a computer being processed.  K One option is to subscribe to multiple IPs on the same line (make sure that J they tell you the limits, cable modems stop working if they see more the 3N machines on the lan). You need to get a router that can do NAT on multiple IPsJ at both ends. At that point, you can direct inbound calls on IP#1 to go toI your lan machine X and inbound calls on IP#2 to go to your lan machine Y.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:10:48 +0100s+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>A6 Subject: Re: MV3100/80 boot problem.. (sigh).. Im done' Message-ID: <39EDE7A8.518F81A2@iee.org>y   Phillip Helbig wrote:-I > Can someone briefly describe the differences between booting from CD ontG > ALPHA and VAX?  I've done ALPHA and I understand that.  VAX I've onlyoJ > done in a non-supported way by copying savesets to [000000] from a CD onF > an ALPHA, with the VAX system disk temporarily connected there, thenJ > connecting it to the VAX and going from there.  (I didn't have the mediaF > on tape, and no CD on the VAX---probably not an uncommon situation.)  9 With the later OpenVMS OS CDs (say V7.1 onwards, possiblyr> earlier) someone went to the trouble of making root 1 ([SYS1])< bootable. So if your CD is DKA500 then on a MicroVAX 3100-80 you do:)   >>> BOOT /R5:10000000 DKA500  	 and wait.   / I cannot remember whether you end up being leftI8 logged in as SYSTEM or not. You are now running OpenVMS;: deleting stuff from SYS$SYSDEVICE will be a mite difficult? but if you want to look around and see what other devices theree= are, you can. Very useful for recovering data or moving stuff 5 around or situations like the one you describe above.n  > Just think of it as a significantly enhanced standalone backup and you won't go far wrong.y   Antoniou   ---------------m- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:23:46 -0200c) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br ) Subject: RE: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...0L Message-ID: <OFD44EEFDB.1053EE34-ON8325697C.006A5BF3@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  F Sounds nice ! I didnt know this product  ! I hope to see someday . . .   Visual Basic for OpenVMS Visual C for OpenVMS Delphi for OpenVMS, etc . . .A   It=B4s a hope ... :-)o   Fabio C.                  4 John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> em 18/10/2000 15:50:56H                                                                        =     =20sH                                                                        =     =20mH                                                                        =     =20n    @                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                              =20@                                                              =20@  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@                                                              =20@  Assunto: RE: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...                   =20@                                                              =20           =a    H If you want a visual development environment for VMS, take a look at th= er Enterprise Toolkit for OpenVMS.d  9 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/commercial/et/et_index.html-  H It lets you use Visual Studio as a development environment for OpenVMS.=  D Editing takes place on the PC and builds magically happen on the VMS server.o   > -----Original Message-----+ > From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br . > [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br]+ > Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 2:18 PMe > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come' > Subject: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...n >r >o7 > I think OpenVMS is becoming a Frankenstein .... theseo > "ports" from the > Unix world are notA >  working fine in my vision because there=B4s no real acceptancen > from the old > VMS managers >  in these new technologies.e >nC > But OVMS needs to become "modern"  for  all markets.... and these  > improvments are ; > needed ....  in my personal opinion, Java will be a greath > tool to redevelopt > old productsH > and to create others ..... but just port from Unix wil not work ! The=   > products must be+ > redeveloped using the  OpenVMS structure.t >i= > I talked a few time ago: C++, Basic,  and other developemnt. > products for > OVMS must become& >  visual ! ! !  Management tools too. >e8 >  The "developers" market is not interested in VT based > development. The > visualB > languages are good for quick  programming and some of them offer > portability features.. > H > The "reborn" will not work with 450.000 system managers  asking for V= To > based applications	 > etc ...o >i > It=B4s my personal opinion >i > FC.c >e >o >d >  >n >o >y >o         =u   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 19:38:27 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...l, Message-ID: <8sku7j$ao2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  x In article <OF6890C3BE.DDF50E5B-ON8325697C.00633BC0@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:? >in my personal opinion, Java will be a great tool to redevelopd
 >old productst >and to create othersw  F Fine if you like really, really, really slow and bloated applications.F Don't know what I mean?  Give the java version of the Acrobat viewer a whirl sometime.  t  C Java applications would be lot more attractive if the language also A compiled to native object files which could be linked with sharedl
 libraries.   :   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edur? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech s   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 06:33:30 +0200a( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>) Subject: Re: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...-& Message-ID: <39EE799A.6F1A3C8E@cli.de>  , fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br schrieb: > ? > I talked a few time ago: C++, Basic,  and other developemnt  M > products for OVMS  > 8 Has anyone ever tried the JAVA-IDE Netbeans on OpenVMS ?     -- t( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:14:06 GMTo From: wscott44@my-deja.com. Subject: PCSI builds dependencies I don't need) Message-ID: <8sl3qn$his$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  	 Hi Folks:a  G We use PCSI to package our product. Although we do NOT depend on DECnetmF at all, somehow a dependency is built which implies it is needed. Then9 during installation, undesirable messages are spewed out:o  	 example 1   C %PCSI-W-SFTREFWRN, referenced product DEC AXPVMS DECNET_OSI was noto) found for product DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.1e  H Terminating is strongly recommended.  Do you want to terminate? [YES] no    	 example 2n    Configuration phase starting ...  F You will be asked to choose options, if any, for each selected product> and for any products that may be installed to satisfy software dependency requirements.  G %PCSI-W-SFTREF, product DEC AXPVMS OPENVMS V7.2-1 references DEC AXPVMSa
 DECNET_OSI  D -PCSI-W-SFTRF1, referenced product is not installed and a kit is not	 availablet  A -PCSI-W-SFTRF2, note that if the software dependency is expressedt within a  D -PCSI-W-SFTRF3, configuration option of the referencing product, the option  F -PCSI-W-SFTRF4,   will be marked unselectable to allow installation to proceed  Do you want to continue? [YES]   ==============================    G When the packaging is done, there MUST be a way to tell the system whatlC to ignore.  Isn't there?  Do we have to create & modify a PDF file?o   Thanks,c Wayney    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:40:42 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)# Subject: San Francisco Bay Area LUG + Message-ID: <Pw8feA0e4cXt@eisner.decus.org>-  ? I've been talking with Grant Forsberg here in the San Francisco.5 Bay Area about starting a LUG (local users group) foryA DECUS/Encompass.  He said that he is just starting to work on it,E3 but hasn't found many people that are interested.  o  A I told him that I thought that there must be enough people in thed; SF Bay Area to warrant a LUG.  I said I'd post a message on ' comp.os.vms and see if anyone responds.f  ? So if you're in the SF Bay Area and would be interested, post ay? message in this group.  I suppose you could sent me email, too.n? Since the DECUServe news reader seems to be ignoring the return > mail obscuration logical, you should be able to figure it out.  ; Or despam this: kuhrt.spammy@spamola.eisner.decus.org.aspam    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:18:58 GMT L From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")' Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUGl8 Message-ID: <009F1C8E.6FF5DB5B@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  X In article <Pw8feA0e4cXt@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:  @ >I've been talking with Grant Forsberg here in the San Francisco6 >Bay Area about starting a LUG (local users group) forB >DECUS/Encompass.  He said that he is just starting to work on it,4 >but hasn't found many people that are interested.    K What about the existing BayVAX+ LUG?  I believe there have been meetings aseG recently as this year.  If ENCOMPASS US is the renaming of the DECUS USt= Chapter, don't the LUGs continue to exist, be chartered, etc?o  K [If BayVAX+ doesn't exist, I'd be willing to help - in a really small way, hJ like setting up a mailing list or working on a website - in getting a new I LUG started, but I'm ridiculously overcommitted and can't guarantee much  H more support/help than that.  I'd like to see the LUG go back to weekday. meetings at member sites, if that's possible.]   -- Alann  O ===============================================================================f0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056IM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210dO ===============================================================================t   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:40:53 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)' Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUGt3 Message-ID: <8M5ctNivg3$R@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>c  C In article <Pw8feA0e4cXt@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org n     	(Marty Kuhrt) writes:A > I've been talking with Grant Forsberg here in the San FranciscoV7 > Bay Area about starting a LUG (local users group) forsC > DECUS/Encompass.  He said that he is just starting to work on it,t5 > but hasn't found many people that are interested.  1 > C > I told him that I thought that there must be enough people in the-= > SF Bay Area to warrant a LUG.  I said I'd post a message onh) > comp.os.vms and see if anyone responds.o > A > So if you're in the SF Bay Area and would be interested, post a A > message in this group.  I suppose you could sent me email, too.tA > Since the DECUServe news reader seems to be ignoring the returne@ > mail obscuration logical, you should be able to figure it out.  $         Count me as interested.  :-)               -Ken -- eM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:40:09 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)' Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUGl3 Message-ID: <SUh7MNQ9Os4V@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>h  9 In article <009F1C8E.6FF5DB5B@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, 1R     winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:. > In article <Pw8feA0e4cXt@eisner.decus.org>, 1     	kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:a > A >>I've been talking with Grant Forsberg here in the San Francisco 7 >>Bay Area about starting a LUG (local users group) forrC >>DECUS/Encompass.  He said that he is just starting to work on it,i5 >>but hasn't found many people that are interested.    > M > What about the existing BayVAX+ LUG?  I believe there have been meetings ashI > recently as this year.  If ENCOMPASS US is the renaming of the DECUS US ? > Chapter, don't the LUGs continue to exist, be chartered, etc?u  H         BayVAX+ is  dead.   I  talked  with  Bob(?)  Peterson about whatH     happened  at  CETS  2000,  but don't recall  the  specifics.   FWIW,H     BayVAX+ was an _independent_ organization (incorporated I  believe),(     not a DECUS LUG.  Anyway, it's gone.           -Ken -- hM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edut:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 15:54:26 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)' Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG:3 Message-ID: <cYp2dX+rcTDC@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>n  4 In article <SUh7MNQ9Os4V@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, [     	Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:  [...]tJ >         BayVAX+ is  dead.   I  talked  with  Bob(?)  Peterson about what?                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^h  H         Very sorry about that, it was _Bill_ _Pedersen_.  Sheesh, bad on     me!w  H         BTW, Bill has put together a very  nice (I saw a demo) web-basedH     VMS  Interactive Learning system with the help of his wife, who is aH     long  time  computer  instruction  consultant.   Blatant  plug,   no$     compensation :-) take a look at:           www.CCSScorp.com  1     I believe he said the demo is online there...)           -Ken -- DM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edut:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------    Date: 18 Oct 2000 16:12:03 -0700( From: Javier Henderson <javier@kjsl.com>' Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUG - Message-ID: <863dhtycak.fsf@cartero.kjsl.com>t  N winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  Z > In article <Pw8feA0e4cXt@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes: > B > >I've been talking with Grant Forsberg here in the San Francisco8 > >Bay Area about starting a LUG (local users group) forD > >DECUS/Encompass.  He said that he is just starting to work on it,6 > >but hasn't found many people that are interested.   > M > What about the existing BayVAX+ LUG?  I believe there have been meetings asvI > recently as this year.  If ENCOMPASS US is the renaming of the DECUS USv? > Chapter, don't the LUGs continue to exist, be chartered, etc?  > M > [If BayVAX+ doesn't exist, I'd be willing to help - in a really small way, tL > like setting up a mailing list or working on a website - in getting a new K > LUG started, but I'm ridiculously overcommitted and can't guarantee much  J > more support/help than that.  I'd like to see the LUG go back to weekday0 > meetings at member sites, if that's possible.]  ? 	I don't think BayVAX exists anymore. Interestingly enough, theyD MicroVAX II in a BA123 box that was known as BayVAX used to sit downE the hallway at work (TGV). Not long after Cisco bought us out, BayVAXeE was to be relocated somwhere, but I lost track of where the tale goesk from there.e  = 	At any rate, I'll gladly provide the LUG a place on the net, A be it a mailing list (I already host vms-web-daemon for example),rB and/or web pages, I'll even donate the domain registration (all of twelve dollars :)t   -jav   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:16:56 -070011 From: David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com>i' Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUGbF Message-ID: <OF39417510.83A6654E-ON0725697C.007FB57E@rsc.raytheon.com>   snip ...           www.CCSScorp.com  1     I believe he said the demo is online there...t    G A Wonderful example of Black-on-Black HTML programming when viewed with 	 Netscape.o   dave.e   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 17:33:04 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)' Subject: Re: San Francisco Bay Area LUGd3 Message-ID: <EmYi1j6IN6wq@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   G In article <OF39417510.83A6654E-ON0725697C.007FB57E@rsc.raytheon.com>, s8     	David D Miller <ddmiller@west.raytheon.com> writes: > 
 > snip ... >  >         www.CCSScorp.com > 3 >     I believe he said the demo is online there...0 >  > I > A Wonderful example of Black-on-Black HTML programming when viewed withd > Netscape.   H         Oh dear, oh dear!  I see the same  thing.  I'll have to see if IH     can  look up Bill's e-mail address and send him a note.  Not a  good     advert at all.  :-(n           Thanks, Kene -- dM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 17:42:26 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)C Subject: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question . Message-ID: <8skne2$4f5$1@info.service.rug.nl>  ( $ dir/gra sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998  & Grand total of 1 directory, 884 files.? $ back/log *.post;/bef=1-dec-1998 disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]PM %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]*.POST; 
 $ back/log% _From: sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998 " _To: disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]M %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]*.POST; F $ cop/log sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998 disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]P %COPY-S-COPIED, DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]12GR.POST;2 copied to DISK$SCRATCH:[% HELBIG.ARCHIVE]12GR.POST;2 (3 blocks) P %COPY-S-COPIED, DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]2D.POST;2 copied to DISK$SCRATCH:[HE : # %COPY-S-NEWFILES, 884 files created    Why the difference?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:00:18 GMTB- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> G Subject: Re: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question ( Message-ID: <39EDE52A.2D619F8B@ohio.edu>   What results do you get from   $ SHOW  LOGICAL   SPRPOST/FULL  +                                         RDP      Phillip Helbig wrote:   * > $ dir/gra sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998 > ( > Grand total of 1 directory, 884 files.A > $ back/log *.post;/bef=1-dec-1998 disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]fO > %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]*.POST;l > $ back/log' > _From: sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998f$ > _To: disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]O > %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]*.POST;gH > $ cop/log sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998 disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]R > %COPY-S-COPIED, DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]12GR.POST;2 copied to DISK$SCRATCH:[' > HELBIG.ARCHIVE]12GR.POST;2 (3 blocks)aR > %COPY-S-COPIED, DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]2D.POST;2 copied to DISK$SCRATCH:[HE > :p% > %COPY-S-NEWFILES, 884 files created  >r > Why the difference?b   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:29:49 -0400n  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.comG Subject: Re: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP questionm4 Message-ID: <C225697C.006502D4.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  G You didn't say what version, but there was a change at V7.1, IIRC, thateF causes different behavior if you omit the "/NOINCREMENTAL" switch, andG there is a bug that if the volume has not had a "BACKUP/RECORD" done onfP it, then the "/SINCE" switch behaves unpredictably.   I believe this behavior is  documented in the Release Notes.  J For reasons I will never understand BACKUP/SINCE is different from all the+ other /SINCE's with regard to file copying.-  - Or it may be something entirely different....         - helbig@astro.rug.nl on 10/18/2000 01:42:26 PMd  % Please respond to helbig@astro.rug.nll   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com$ cc:aD Subject:  simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP question        ( $ dir/gra sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998  & Grand total of 1 directory, 884 files.? $ back/log *.post;/bef=1-dec-1998 disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]aM %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]*.POST;d
 $ back/log% _From: sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998a" _To: disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]M %BACKUP-W-NOFILES, no files selected from DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]*.POST;gF $ cop/log sprpost:*.post;/bef=1-dec-1998 disk$scratch:[helbig.archive]P %COPY-S-COPIED, DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]12GR.POST;2 copied to DISK$SCRATCH:[% HELBIG.ARCHIVE]12GR.POST;2 (3 blocks)sP %COPY-S-COPIED, DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]2D.POST;2 copied to DISK$SCRATCH:[HE :0# %COPY-S-NEWFILES, 884 files createdn   Why the difference?O   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 18:59:29 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)G Subject: Re: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP questionM. Message-ID: <8skruh$5q7$2@info.service.rug.nl>  = In article <39EDE52A.2D619F8B@ohio.edu>, "Richard D. Piccard"G <piccard@ohio.edu> writes: s   > What results do you get from >   > $ SHOW  LOGICAL   SPRPOST/FULL    $ $ SHOW  LOGICAL   SPRPOST/FULLI    "SPRPOST" [super] = "DISK$USER:[HELBIG.SPR.POSTS]" (LNM$PROCESS_TABLE)  $    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:38:11 -0600e- From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com>nC Subject: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP questionl; Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7681D8@DENXCH>n  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0393A.F5DFC746a Content-Type: text/plain;E 	charset="iso-8859-1"    > Why the difference?   @ IIR: "BACKUP /BEFORE=date" means "BACKUP /MODIFIED /BEFORE=date"2                                          ^^^^^^^^^B    (which is not "BACKUP /CREATED /BEFORE=date" as you're probably
 expecting)!                          ^^^^^^^^a.    ...also true for the /SINCE=date qualifier.  I At least that's the behavior that I routinely see, even if it's poorly or-L not obviously borne out by the command's documentation.  "COPY /BEFORE" pays/ attention to file creation (not revision) date.n  F So, *if* your *.POST files have been *modified* in any way (e.g., dataL updates, appends, or even something as simple as SET FILE /PROT= or SET FILEL /OWNER=), then their mod-dates will be *later* than their creation date, andC that in particular gives you the behavior you've described, if yourTC /BEFORE=date is chosen to be earlier than the files' revision date.a  L This is a correct design "feature" of BACKUP... in *typical* use, you'd want@ to include *all* files which have *changed in any way* (created,I data-modified, header-modified, etc.) in a backup operation, not just thetK ones which were created, e.g. "backup all the stuff on this disk *which hasnF changed* since (or before) such-and-such..."  Of course, using commandC qualifiers (like /CREATED) lets you get other desired results, too.E  J COPY, on the other hand, works from a slightly different practical premiseL for /SINCE and /BEFORE, namely the behavior we all *normally* expect:  "copy@ these files dated (created!) since (or before) such-and-such..."  J HELP COPY /CREATED and /MODIFIED are clear on this point, that /CREATED isK the default for the COPY command.  HELP BACKUP... is unclear (ambiguous) on L these same qualifiers.  However, I disagree with a previous response to thisH post:  This is *not* "unpredictable" behavior, it's just other than what most folks expect... ;-)  L Do a DIR /FULL on one of your *.POST files to check the relationship betweenK the file's Created: and Revised: (modification) dates.  If they're (nearly)LL the *same* datetime stamp (i.e., the file's not been subsequently modified),* then I'm still puzzled about your problem.  H Note that it'd be very unusual to see the Created: date/time be *exactlyE equal to* the Revised: d/t, since there's usually an interval of timeiF between the file's creation (allocation of a header, plus entry into aL directory) and the point at which it's last mod-operation is done (even just closing it) ...to wit:     $ CREATE foo.bar   <Ctrl/Z>         !quickly!   $ DIR /FULL foo.bart7   FOO.BAR;1                       File ID:  (38613,1,0) 4   Size:            0/0          Owner:    [L_RICKER]H   Created:   18-OCT-2000 12:16:14.96       <---- took me a fraction of aL   Revised:   18-OCT-2000 12:16:15.27 (1)   <---- second to type the <Ctrl/Z>  F Solution --- use:  BACKUP /CREATED /BEFORE=date to get predictable and"                           ^^^^^^^^3 repeatable results comparable to COPY /BEFORE=date.   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0393A.F5DFC746e Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"s+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable=  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">= <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =D charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2650.12">S: <TITLE>simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP = question</TITLE> </HEAD>= <BODY>  1 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Why the difference?</FONT>- </P>  @ <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>IIR: &quot;BACKUP /BEFORE=3Ddate&quot; means =2 &quot;BACKUP /MODIFIED /BEFORE=3Ddate&quot;</FONT> <BR><FONT =uI SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=aI sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=rI sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=r2 sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ^^^^^^^^^</FONT>E <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; (which is not &quot;BACKUP /CREATED =t9 /BEFORE=3Ddate&quot; as you're probably expecting)</FONT>n <BR><FONT = I SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=gI sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=e sp;&nbsp; ^^^^^^^^</FONT> D <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; ...also true for the /SINCE=3Ddate = qualifier.</FONT>  </P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>At least that's the behavior that I routinely see, =A even if it's poorly or not obviously borne out by the command's =oF documentation.&nbsp; &quot;COPY /BEFORE&quot; pays attention to file =( creation (not revision) date.</FONT></P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>So, *if* your *.POST files have been *modified* in =F any way (e.g., data updates, appends, or even something as simple as =H SET FILE /PROT=3D or SET FILE /OWNER=3D), then their mod-dates will be =H *later* than their creation date, and that in particular gives you the =C behavior you've described, if your /BEFORE=3Ddate is chosen to be =-1 earlier than the files' revision date.</FONT></P>4  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>This is a correct design &quot;feature&quot; of =2E BACKUP... in *typical* use, you'd want to include *all* files which =gE have *changed in any way* (created, data-modified, header-modified, =6I etc.) in a backup operation, not just the ones which were created, e.g. =AG &quot;backup all the stuff on this disk *which has changed* since (or =e? before) such-and-such...&quot;&nbsp; Of course, using command =t@ qualifiers (like /CREATED) lets you get other desired results, = too.</FONT></P>   B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>COPY, on the other hand, works from a slightly =I different practical premise for /SINCE and /BEFORE, namely the behavior = I we all *normally* expect:&nbsp; &quot;copy these files dated (created!) = 3 since (or before) such-and-such...&quot;</FONT></P>   F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>HELP COPY /CREATED and /MODIFIED are clear on this =F point, that /CREATED is the default for the COPY command.&nbsp; HELP =B BACKUP... is unclear (ambiguous) on these same qualifiers.&nbsp; =G However, I disagree with a previous response to this post:&nbsp; This =XH is *not* &quot;unpredictable&quot; behavior, it's just other than what =# most folks expect... ;-)</FONT></P>   G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Do a DIR /FULL on one of your *.POST files to check =.; the relationship between the file's Created: and Revised: =:E (modification) dates.&nbsp; If they're (nearly) the *same* datetime =-I stamp (i.e., the file's not been subsequently modified), then I'm still =-& puzzled about your problem.</FONT></P>  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Note that it'd be very unusual to see the Created: =I date/time be *exactly equal to* the Revised: d/t, since there's usually =fB an interval of time between the file's creation (allocation of a =G header, plus entry into a directory) and the point at which it's last =nB mod-operation is done (even just closing it) ...to wit:</FONT></P>  0 <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; $ CREATE foo.bar</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; =.@ &lt;Ctrl/Z&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = !quickly!</FONT>4 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; $ DIR /FULL foo.bar</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; =aI FOO.BAR;1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=TG sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =I! File ID:&nbsp; (38613,1,0)</FONT>  <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; = I Size:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = ; 0/0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = * Owner:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; [L_RICKER]</FONT>< <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; Created:&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-OCT-2000 =D 12:16:14.96&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;---- took me a = fraction of a</FONT>H <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&nbsp; Revised:&nbsp;&nbsp; 18-OCT-2000 12:16:15.27 =A (1)&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;---- second to type the &lt;Ctrl/Z&gt;</FONT>- </P>  ; <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Solution --- use:&nbsp; BACKUP /CREATED = , /BEFORE=3Ddate to get predictable and</FONT> <BR><FONT =OI SIZE=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=RI sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=m sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ^^^^^^^^</FONT>E: <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>repeatable results comparable to COPY = /BEFORE=3Ddate.</FONT> </P>   </BODY>u </HTML>r) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C0393A.F5DFC746--v   ------------------------------   Date: 18 Oct 2000 22:57:34 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)G Subject: Re: simple (probably) but puzzling (I'm tired) BACKUP questioni. Message-ID: <8sl9su$9pe$4@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7681D8@DENXCH>, Lorin Ricker# <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> writes: s  H > So, *if* your *.POST files have been *modified* in any way (e.g., dataN > updates, appends, or even something as simple as SET FILE /PROT= or SET FILEN > /OWNER=), then their mod-dates will be *later* than their creation date, andE > that in particular gives you the behavior you've described, if yourmE > /BEFORE=date is chosen to be earlier than the files' revision date.h  A That's it.  Normally, I use /SINCE and it doesn't matter whether s /CREATED or /MODIFIED.  L > HELP COPY /CREATED and /MODIFIED are clear on this point, that /CREATED isM > the default for the COPY command.  HELP BACKUP... is unclear (ambiguous) ona > these same qualifiers.    C Right.  The HELP entries should be as orthogonal as the qualifiers   themselves.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:18:23 +0200U3 From: "Amir E. Aharoni" <amir_e_a@netvision.net.il>d0 Subject: SNS Watchdog vs. CA-Unicenter TNG agent0 Message-ID: <8sl44s$nef$1@news.netvision.net.il>   Hellol  E Does anyone here have any experience upgrading his network management K software from SNS Watchdog/Event Manager to Unicenter TNG OpenVMS agent? In  particular:S  $ 1. Is it generally worth the hassle?  H 2. How do the two products compare in terms of performance, reliability, ease of management?m  @ 3. Does the TNG agent have an equivalent of the SNS' DCL command) $ sense watch add message "Hello, World!"i  > 4. Does the TNG agent have an equivalent of SNS' api functionsK SNS$ADD_MESSAGE/SNS$REMOVE_MESSAGE? If yes, how hard is the porting effort?D   Big thanks in advance.+ ___________________________________________F+ Amir Elisha Aharoni, the original IsraeliteN* "Bartender! Put all my meals in one plate.' Don't ask me what kind of music I play.@$ I play the good kind." - Oliver Lake   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 23:45:19 -0400.+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> * Subject: RE: Sun Hardware problems persistJ Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052848A7@kaoexc4.kao.dec.com>   Andrew,   L >> A transaction system is not any good if you cannot commit transactions to	 it ...<<<   : How does a Sun system handle transactions when it is down?  C You are comparing a pot hole bump in the road incident to the grand 	 canyon...e  3 http://www2.ebay.com/aw/announce.shtml (more stuff)d   :-)d  . Lets move on, this really is getting tiring ..   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior Consultant  Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services- Voice: 613-592-4660- Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com       -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]6 Sent: October 18, 2000 11:26 AMP To: Info-VAX@MVB.SAIC.COMm* Subject: Re: Sun Hardware problems persist    % Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote:o > H > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plazac >  > Andrew posted; > E > "Nor of course does it remotely alter the fact you cannot seriouslyI: > refer to (Disaster-Tolerant VMS Clusters) knowing as you> > do that eTrade have lost their cluster because it was not as1 > Dissaster Tolerant as you origionally thought."  > I > Sorry, I thought the statement from e*Trade had made the point that theo cluster-I > wasn't down or lost, what happened was that users were timing out whileP waiting29 > to access the application. Read this to know the story;T > > I don't think that a hung cluster, it hadn't actually crashed > but you could not use it would pass the Tandem or Stratus test! for dissaster tollerant systems. -  6 You are splitting hairs. Its like Microsofts security 5 claims for NT which omitted to point out that NT was u5 only C2 secure if you didn't connect it to a network r or anything else.   3 A transaction system is not any good if you cannot l3 commit transactions to it and that is what happened  to the ETrade system.   5 > http://www.internetwk.com/news0299/news021299-9.htm  > 7 > Unless of course everyone in this article is lying...1 >  > Steve Spires > VMS System Manager > BT/Yellow Pagesi   -- t Andrew Harrisone Enterprise IT Architectn   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:09:48 -0700 < From: "Stewart, John" <John.Stewart@huachuca-emh27.army.mil> Subject: unsubsribeCL Message-ID: <24775EFEE555D411988800B0D03D3F02356C4D@huachuca-emh27.army.mil>   unsubscribes   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:34:27 +0200I0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> Subject: Re: VAX emulatorI* Message-ID: <39EDED34.C02D7B3A@Easynet.fr>   Sue Skonetski wrote: >  > Just in case you missed this.H > C > VAX Emulator Family Announced by Software Resources Internationaln  ! CHARON PC ? When a CHARON MacOS ?=   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:33:03 -0500A7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> $ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?- Message-ID: <39EE413F.8024C6F6@earthlink.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:- > C > In article <39ECF4CA.D39AB2EC@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"m' > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:: > F > > Because VOLSHAD requires that each host have a non-zero allocationG > > class. I'm sure someone will pipe up with the complete explanation;tG > > however, consider the transfer of "knowledge" between cluster nodesuG > > about shadow set constituency. This may explain it (and maybe not).  >  > OK...  > 
 > > Consider:e > F > ...but these examples involve clusters.  Why is the allocation-classA > notation required with volume shadowing on a standalone system?n  = Why would the software be expected to behave differently in aN non-clustered configuration?   --   David J. Dachterai dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.U   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 19:34:22 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>s$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?- Message-ID: <39EE418E.14F03BC8@earthlink.net>I   Phillip Helbig wrote:o > J > In article <39ECCCED.D3834621@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> writes: > L > > Like every one else said, it is possible to uese shadow. But you do need& > > a (rather expensive) license ..... > F > I notice I don't have volume shadowing installed.  Perhaps because IF > haven't had a need for it (well, if I had more disks, I would have aH > better feeling...).  Is it included in the DECcampus licenses, the new+ > academic thing, or the hobbyist licenses?   @ Look for a PAK for "VOLSHAD", or it's covered by some of the NAS	 licenses.@ -- s David J. Dachteran dba DJE SystemsA http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/W  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.c   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:20:03 GMTl* From: kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie ()3 Subject: Re: VS3100 ethernet self test failure code > Message-ID: <slrn8us4f9.tb7.kenn@excalibur.research.wombat.ie>  O On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:07:11 -0500, WILLIAM WEBB <WWEBB1@email.usps.gov> wrote:a >o1 VAXstation 3100 Model 76 Owner's Guide online at:  >h6 >http://www.whiteice.com/~williamwebb/intro/DOC-i.html >K >Hope it helps.O  @ I found that a while back, actually.  Unfortunately, it doesn't ! cover this particular error code.=  @ But thanks for making it available, anyway.  It's certainly been useful to me in the past!h   Later, Kenn   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.584 ************************