1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 25 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 596       Contents: Re: ">>>" what is this mode? Re: ">>>" what is this mode? Re: ">>>" what is this mode? Re: ">>>" what is this mode? Re: ">>>" what is this mode?% Re: $ show printer => %cli-f-syntax ? 0 Re: AlphaServer 2100 upgrade from 4/233 to 5/2500 Re: AlphaServer 2100 upgrade from 4/233 to 5/250 Re: Broadcasting and UCX Re: Calling C++ from FORTRAN Check out these opportunities  Re: comp.org.encompass.us   Re: Copy Users to Another System Re: DECdtm QUESTIONS- Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?) - Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?) - Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?) - Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)  Re: eBay (guess what) again. Employment, Los Angeles  Re: Employment, Los Angeles  Re: Employment, Los Angeles 3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... ! Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400  Re: Future of VT, etc . . .  Re: Future of VT, etc . . .  Re: Future of VT, etc . . . & Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPS& Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPS& Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPS& Re: Inexpensive Laser Printers for VMS& Re: Inexpensive Laser Printers for VMS( Re: mail$system_flags, DECNET IV & alias Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge  Re: OpenVMS UK (London) Roadtrip  Re: OpenVMS UK (London) Roadtrip  Re: Oracle 7 and 8i on same box? RE: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PF keys  Re: popquestion - Re: Protect yourself and your computer get... - Re: Protect yourself and your computer get... 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers - Re: RSH Problem - Can someone try this for me  Re: Shared data  Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher( System & Network (???) node Mgt training Re: TCP/IP and load balancing  Re: User Guide for Vax (VMS)! Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR = Re: What connector to use to interconnect X.25 and DECNet V ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? 
 Re: X Desktop   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:00:06 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>% Subject: Re: ">>>" what is this mode? ) Message-ID: <39F622B0.AA587A4F@wi.rr.com>   = Don't feel so bad.  One of our operators learned the hard way ? not to hit the F5 key on a VT terminal being used as a console. D He thought the terminal was "stuck" so he just started hitting keys.: He worked his way across the top row to F5 and "boink" the >>> prompt appeared.  > We ended up rebooting a very important system in the middle of the day.   -Scott  :^)    zhoub@my-deja.com wrote:    > many thanks to all your reply! > < > Yes, I had to reboot the machine, a lesson learned though, >  > Ben  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 17:24:19 -0700 ! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com % Subject: Re: ">>>" what is this mode? D Message-ID: <OF7B665130.37DDC878-ON88256983.00016070@foundation.com>  K Heh. I won't name names, in case Sean reads this newsgroup these days.... ;  -)  I Once upon a time I worked for a company that gave new hires a tour around E the company, including the machine room. When they took a certain new D operator around, chaos broke out as one of the main bureau computersJ halted. This caused untold problems to all the customer companies who wereH running on it, and many man-hours of work on the help desk explaining toC said customers what had happened. Our hero had sat down next to the D console, and his butt was just fat enough to reach over to the break
 key.......  D Everybody has done something like this in their life, only the scaleI varies. (I'm not telling you any of mine though - Jim, don't you dare, or ! I'll tell VAXman about yours!!!!)    Shane           8 Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com> on 10/24/2000 05:00:06 PM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com  cc:   & Subject:  Re: ">>>" what is this mode?    = Don't feel so bad.  One of our operators learned the hard way ? not to hit the F5 key on a VT terminal being used as a console. D He thought the terminal was "stuck" so he just started hitting keys.: He worked his way across the top row to F5 and "boink" the >>> prompt appeared.  > We ended up rebooting a very important system in the middle of the day.   -Scott  :^)    zhoub@my-deja.com wrote:    > many thanks to all your reply! > < > Yes, I had to reboot the machine, a lesson learned though, >  > Ben  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:46:46 GMT $ From: Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>% Subject: Re: ">>>" what is this mode? ) Message-ID: <39F649C3.DE1FABC8@wi.rr.com>   E I know it's not "cool" to reply to your own message but I received an  email A after posting the message below which prompted me to confess this  boo-boo  of my own doing:  F When I was first cutting my teeth on VMS, I was learning my way aroundB on a VAX 8550.  One night I was in the computer room by myself and managed 9 to bring up the >>> prompt on our main production system. D I can't remember if I hit Ctrl P or Break or what.  This immediately brought things to 3 a standstill on that system and I started to sweat.   D I called one of our programmers at home for assistance but he wasn't sure what I shouldE do next.  His only advice was "Try hitting H for help and see what it  tells you....."   ? After that night, I knew that H doesn't stand for "Help" at the  three-caret prompt.   
 -Scott :^)     Scott Vieth wrote:  ? > Don't feel so bad.  One of our operators learned the hard way A > not to hit the F5 key on a VT terminal being used as a console. F > He thought the terminal was "stuck" so he just started hitting keys.< > He worked his way across the top row to F5 and "boink" the > >>> prompt appeared. > @ > We ended up rebooting a very important system in the middle of
 > the day. > 
 > -Scott  :^)    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:47:30 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: ">>>" what is this mode? > Message-ID: <hshubs-DD2245.22473024102000@news.mindspring.com>  I In article <39F622B0.AA587A4F@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>   wrote:  ? >We ended up rebooting a very important system in the middle of 	 >the day.   2 Someone really should've warned him ahead of time. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:26:30 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>% Subject: Re: ">>>" what is this mode? > Message-ID: <hshubs-EFED12.23263024102000@news.mindspring.com>  I In article <39F649C3.DE1FABC8@wi.rr.com>, Scott Vieth <svieth@wi.rr.com>   wrote:  @ >After that night, I knew that H doesn't stand for "Help" at the >three-caret prompt.  > <giggle>  Betcha also learned not to call programmers at home. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:04:05 GMT   From: cstranslations@my-deja.com. Subject: Re: $ show printer => %cli-f-syntax ?) Message-ID: <8t5f2g$93m$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   6 In article <39F4489F.4CAE0C2D@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk>,)   Roy.Omond@BlueBubble.demon.co.uk wrote:  > John Santos wrote: > E > Indeed it's a known problem.  I encountered it last month at one of  our A > customers.  Until that time, I'd never even seen anyone use the  commands? > $ show printer   or    $ set printer   (in almost 19 years) !  > C > The fix is an updated SET.CLD and SHOW.CLD which should be merged  > into DCLTABLES.   F When I was back on the east coast we had seperate printer to do checksG (and related "high quality" documents) - the band on the LP29 was shot. : We actually made rather extensive use of the two commands.  G Anyway - that does bring up the possiblity of using VERB to extract the G clds (only problem is that the backup that I have of the system disk is F post vms721_update-v0100 eco). Maybe I can extract them from a 7.1-1H2D system at work (but then I didn't pay much attention to what the ecoD was doing - or suppose to do - other than fix the pthreads problem).   Joe     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:41:57 -0500 # From: "Mark E. Levy" <mark@fsi.net> 9 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100 upgrade from 4/233 to 5/250 / Message-ID: <svc0he9pnlp007@corp.supernews.com>    Thanks,    I'll give all of this a try.     --E ---------------------------------------------------------------------  Mark E. Levy, President " System Management Associates, Inc.! 888-291-5055 x202 (Illinois Only) $ 847-291-1550 x202 (Outside Illinois) 847-291-3866 fax www.sysman-inc.com levy@sysman-inc.com E ---------------------------------------------------------------------   0 "Mark Sterk" <strong@chello.nl> wrote in message# news:39F5D06E.AF58A8C6@chello.nl...  > I > The EV5 processor can't work on EV4 firmware, You'll have to remove the  EV5 * > processors and install at least one EV4.; > It isn't easy to replace the firmware but it can be done.  >  > Option 1: ! > Do an firmware upgrade from CD. H > If you're at the UPD> prompt you can load an EV5 image, power down and replace the  > EV4 with the EV5 processors.I > I have a few days off so I can't give you the right command to do this.  >  > Option 2: D > If you are lucky the machine knows already the cpu_upgrade script.G > Start another firmware upgrade from CD, do a normal upgrade and exit. C > The machine asks now if you want to do a manual upgrade, say Yes. J > Now use the command >>> cpu_upgrade, this script will load the EV5 image for you. >  > Option 3: J > If all of this doesn't, look for the make_dual_srm procedure, this is an special J > procedure to load EV4 and EV5 firmware into the I/O board, so an serviceG > organization can stock the board without worrying about the CPU type.  > H > After installing the EV5's it's wise to start another firmware upgrade from CD, do  > a normal upgrade and exit.C > The machine asks now if you want to do a manual upgrade, say Yes. E > Now use the command >>> update_fsl (if I remember well) , this will  upgrade the  > FSL (Fail Save Loader). D > The FSL is a special firmware that becomes active if you're normal firmware is 
 > damaged.J > If you have an old FSL version it won't work well with EV5 processors so you have
 > to upgrade.  > K > If the fsl_update fails, you'll get all kind of write errors, you have to  place a ' > undocumented jumper on the I/O board. 7 > (I think it's J6, I can look it up for you next week)  >  > E > There a few other ways to get the job done but this will work best.  >  > 
 > Success, > Mark >  >  >  >  >  > "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > > "John E. Malmberg" wrote: 
 > > [snip]J > > > Can the backplane for your Alphaserver 2100 support the higher speed CPUs?  > > + > > Is there an easy way to determine this?  > > I > > > I would verify that the two CPU boards are of the same ECO revision  and have. > > > the same amount of cache memory on them. > > > ) > > > I would also try them one at a time  > >  > > We did that - no schmae. > > F > > > If this is a pedestal model, while it is down for maintenance, I	 recommend E > > > removing the right side of the cabinet and inspecting the power 	 supplies. " > > > Dust tends to collect there. > >  > > Thanx for that note... > >  > > -- > > David J. Dachtera  > > dba DJE Systems  > > http://www.djesys.com/ > > > > > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:# > > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > > J > > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > > is to be expected. > > D > > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > > J > > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > > strongly discouraged.  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:15:06 GMT # From: Mark Sterk <strong@chello.nl> 9 Subject: Re: AlphaServer 2100 upgrade from 4/233 to 5/250 ) Message-ID: <39F5D06E.AF58A8C6@chello.nl>   K The EV5 processor can't work on EV4 firmware, You'll have to remove the EV5 ( processors and install at least one EV4.9 It isn't easy to replace the firmware but it can be done.   	 Option 1:  Do an firmware upgrade from CD. R If you're at the UPD> prompt you can load an EV5 image, power down and replace the EV4 with the EV5 processors.G I have a few days off so I can't give you the right command to do this.   	 Option 2: B If you are lucky the machine knows already the cpu_upgrade script.E Start another firmware upgrade from CD, do a normal upgrade and exit. A The machine asks now if you want to do a manual upgrade, say Yes. Q Now use the command >>> cpu_upgrade, this script will load the EV5 image for you.   	 Option 3: P If all of this doesn't, look for the make_dual_srm procedure, this is an specialH procedure to load EV4 and EV5 firmware into the I/O board, so an serviceE organization can stock the board without worrying about the CPU type.   R After installing the EV5's it's wise to start another firmware upgrade from CD, do a normal upgrade and exit.A The machine asks now if you want to do a manual upgrade, say Yes. O Now use the command >>> update_fsl (if I remember well) , this will upgrade the  FSL (Fail Save Loader). N The FSL is a special firmware that becomes active if you're normal firmware is damaged.Q If you have an old FSL version it won't work well with EV5 processors so you have  to upgrade.   Q If the fsl_update fails, you'll get all kind of write errors, you have to place a % undocumented jumper on the I/O board. 5 (I think it's J6, I can look it up for you next week)     C There a few other ways to get the job done but this will work best.      Success, Mark           "David J. Dachtera" wrote:   > "John E. Malmberg" wrote:  > [snip]N > > Can the backplane for your Alphaserver 2100 support the higher speed CPUs? > ) > Is there an easy way to determine this?  > P > > I would verify that the two CPU boards are of the same ECO revision and have, > > the same amount of cache memory on them. > > ' > > I would also try them one at a time  >  > We did that - no schmae. > N > > If this is a pedestal model, while it is down for maintenance, I recommendM > > removing the right side of the cabinet and inspecting the power supplies.   > > Dust tends to collect there. >  > Thanx for that note... >  > -- > David J. Dachtera  > dba DJE Systems  > http://www.djesys.com/ > < > Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board:! > http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/  > H > This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings > is to be expected. > B > Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression. > H > However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are > strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 01:48:30 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: Broadcasting and UCX * Message-ID: <39f61fce$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  C In article <8sl63b$jks$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, davidk@awirnd.com writes: E >Our software is configured to broadcast on 255.255.255.255. However, ? >the broadcast leaves the VAX with an address of 192.168.10.255 E >according to our network sniffer. This makes sense being that we are D >using a mask of 255.255.255.0. The network address is 192.168.10.0,D >therefore the broadcast address is 192.168.10.255 for this network. >h* >Doing a SHOW INTERFACE ZE0 command in UCXH >reveals /NETWORK_MASK=255.255.255.0 and /BROADCAST_MASK=192.168.10.255. >eH >The problem is that we need the broadcast to remain at 255.255.255.255,D >as written in the code. Why is it being changed? How can we stop it >from being changed?  < Have you tried a $ UCX SET [CONF] INT ZE0/BR=255.255.255.255. after running the config procedure initially ?   -- e< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888(< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:04:02 +0200i. From: "Carsten A. Arnholm" <arnholm@online.no>% Subject: Re: Calling C++ from FORTRAN 4 Message-ID: <%AoJ5.14203$W31.216644@news1.online.no>  2 <paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au> wrote in message/ news:01JVNEFXHNAA005NZL@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au...v > Earl,N >e3 > >Has anyone tried to instantiate a C++ Class from 4 > >FORTRAN, I would be interested. Also  calling the/ > >methods or accessing the properties as well.r. > >Even if this required calling a C++ stub to/ > >instantiate the object and call the methods.d > >o/ > >I guess one would have to use CXLINK to link  > >the program as well.r > > . > >I examined the FORTRAN manual and it seemed8 > >a bit brief referencing the OpenVMS calling standard. > >K2 > >I have been successful calling FORTRAN routines/ > >from C++.  (E.g., creating a C++ wrapper and / > >then calling old FORTRAN modules to actuallye > >implement the method).D >n  > I agree with David's comments. > E > I would also suggest that if you are serious in this endeavour thatrB > you post this to comp.lang.fortran.  I do not use C++ and am not@ > a devotee of OO so do not have the URL, but I do remember thatD > Carsten Arnholm has done a lot of work on linking Fortran and C++.5 > You would probably find his page from a web search,e? > and I am fairly certain that I have spelt his name correctly.i  @ Indeed you have, I'm impressed. Not everyone does that right :-)  5 The URLs you were referring to would be the following ) http://home.online.no/~arnholm/cppf77.htme) http://home.online.no/~arnholm/cppf77.ziph  H Incidentally, I've been programming Fortran under VMS for many years (itJ ended about 5 years ago), but my C++ experience is limited to MSVC++ underA WindowsNT (combined with Digital Visual Fortran, now Compaq). TheaK Fortran/C++ document above reflects the NT background to some degree, but IhA did some porting to Unix once, which worked fine. I believe mixed D C++/Fortran under VMS should be easy enough. Perhaps the only littleF challenge would be to find the correct representation of the CHARACTER class.  G To try to instantiate a C++ object from fortran sounds like a bad idea, K unless you use C++ functions construct it and call its member functions. MycL techniques for calling Fortran from C++ are fairly portable. You can use theK same techniques to call C++ from Fortran, but this is not as portable. AlsorG you must in this case write special C++ code designed to be called fromo fortran, for example:d  % #include <fortran.h> // see URL abovee0 SUBROUTINE SOMEFN(INTEGER& IVAL, CHARACTER CVAL) {l"     // call the real C++ code here }@  J Remember that mixed C++/Fortran code must use a C++ main program, and thatH linking the code can be tricky. Run-time libraries are system dependent.L Under Unix you typically use the C++ compiler/linker to link the program andH add the required fortran run-time libraries. I'm not sure how this worksI with VMS's LINK command, but I'm sure there is a logical way (usually VMS L was logical all the way through, I miss it somewhat, if an OS can be missed,	 that is!)e   -- Carsten A. Arnholm arnholm@online.noo7 http://home.online.no/~arnholm/ (new from July 1, 2000)t   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:18:20 -0400 (EDT)m From: rags2riches11@excite.com& Subject: Check out these opportunities- Message-ID: <0G2Y0033BRQ1TV@mx.east.saic.com>f   Dear Friend,F I am passing this remarkable letter along to you, just as I received = it.=A0 If you act on it=20 as ID have, we will all prosper with very little time and money invested!= =A0 Please read=20
 carefully,
 thank you.  F Greetings! Hopefully my name is still on the list. I am a retired att= orney.: Approximately two years ago a man came to me with a letterF similar to this one. He asked me to verify the fact that this letter = was legal. I toldMF him I would review it and get back to him. When I first read the lett= er, a week and a=20o halfF later, we met in my office to discuss the issue. I told him that the = letter he originallyF brought me was not 100% legal and advised him to make one small chang= e in the=20 F letter so that it would be. I was still curious about the letter, so = he proceeded to=20 explainpF how the letter works. I thought it was a long shot and decided agains= t participating.F However, before my client left, I asked him to keep me updated as to = his results.=20t About F two months later, he called to tell me he had received over $800,000 = in cash!=A0 I did=20 nottF believe him. He suggested that I try his idea and find out for myself= . I thought about itF for a couple of days and decided that I didn't have anything to lose,=  so I asked him=20 for F a copy of the letter. I followed the instructions exactly, mail out 2= 00 copies ( thisF can be done by e-mail as I have done) and, sure enough, the money sta= rted arriving!=208F It came slowly at first, but after three weeks I was getting more mai= l than I could open=20F in a day!  After about three months, the money stopped coming in. I k= ept a precise=20	 record of 7 my earnings and at the end they totaled $968,493,000!!!rF I was earning a good living as an attorney. However, as anyone in the=  legal profession=20F will tell you, there is a lot of stress that comes with the job. I to= ld myself that if things=20 F worked out, I would retire from my practice and play golf.  I decided=  to try the letter=20SF again, but this time I sent out 500 letters. Well, three months later= , my earnings totaled=20F $2,344.178,00!!! I just couldn't believe it!!! I met with my old clie= nt for lunch to find=20 F out how it worked. He told me that there Were six names on the list, = not five like=20F many of the others. That fact alone resulted in many more returns. Th= e other part was=20 F in guaranteeing that the whole program was legal since no one wants t=	 o risk=20 F participating in something illegal. I'll assume by now you are curiou= s to know what=20jF little change I told him to make. Well, if you sent a letter like thi= s out, to be legal you=20 # must actually sell something if you.F expect to receive a Dollar. I told him that anyone sending a dollar b= ack to him must F expect to receive something in Return, So, when you send a dollar to = each of the six.C people on the list, you must include a slip of Paper with the wordsy: =93Please put my name and address on your mailing list=94.F This is the key to the Program! The items you receive for the dollar = you send to the=20 six:F names below is this letter and The Right to earn thousands of dollars= !!!nA FOLLOW THE SIMPLE INSTRUCTIONS BELOW EXACTLY, and in less than=20t threet( Months you will receive over $800,000!!!5 Be honest and this will work for everyone. Thank You!e: I'm sure you could use $800,000 in the next 20 to 90 days.+ Please study this letter very carefully.=20RC THIS IN NOT A CHAIN LETTER! This is a perfectly legal money making=  =20- opportunity." Follow these instructions EXACTLY!  > 1. Immediately send $1.00 cash to each of the six names listedF below and a note requesting that you be added to their mailing list. =
 IT IS THIS$ STEP THAT MAKES THIS SYSTEM LEGAL!!!> 2. Remove the name in the number one position and move each ofF the names up one place ( number two becomes one, three becomes two, f= our F becomes three, etc.) Put your name in the sixth position (if mail out=  an easyF way to do this is to type the six names-with yours as the sixth-on a = separate sheet of=20F paper and tape it over The area where the names show of edit and (re-= type).F 3. After completing the above instructions, photocopy or print 200 co= pies of this=20i Letter.yB 4. Purchase a mailing list of names from the DATA LINE COMPANY.=20F Specify That you want names of OPPORTUNITY SEEKERS. They sell a list =	 of 200=20yF Names for only $26.00. They also ship the next day C.O.D. The best pa= rt is the=20 NameseF come on a self-adhesive labels that easily peel and stick right to th= e Envelope. JustF call 1-800-497 2912. The company accepts Master Card and Visa, So it =
 is more=20F convenient to get started. You can also go to a web site that sells e= -mail addresses or=20. get aeF professional to send them out by e-mail for you. There are many sites=  out there that=20 can = send this letter out for a small fee and the result is great.pF 5.While waiting for the mailing list to arrive, if you choose this ro= ute, place each of=20lF your 200 copies into a Business size envelopes and seal them. Go to y= our local post=20-F office and purchase 200 of their .33 stamps and place them on the env= elopes (they=20xF sell rolls of '100 which are also self-adhesive). Do not put your ret= urn address on the=20m: envelopes...this will peak the curiosity of the recipient.F 6.Once your list arrives, place and address labels on each of the env= elopes and drop=20F them in the mailbox. Within 20 to 90 days, you will receive over $800= ,000 in Cash-=20F And IT'S ALL YOURS! Now here comes the interesting part....THAT'S WIT= H=20F ONLY A 7.5% RESPONSE RATE. (This is a very Conservative response. It'= s=20F More than possible to reach this amount every Time). The first time I=  participated I=20F kept an accurate count of all my letters and My response rate was 9.5= % and my=20  second time it was over 11% F 7.Keep this letter so you can use it as many times as you wish. Using=  the addresses=20uF That people send you can raise your response rate because they also w=	 ish to=20   Continue receiving more capital., 8.THIS SYSTEM WAS MADE FOR THE PURPOSE OF=20 ACCUMUMULATING,n> CAPITAL. FAST AND HONESTLY. Once again, THIS IS NOT A CHAIN=20F LETTER, but perfectly legal (refer to Title 18 section 1302 and 1342 = of the United=20F States Postal and Lottery Laws) when you send out 200 copies of this = letter or by e-e mail, and if eachnF Responsive individual sends out 200 copies and then sends Your $1.00,=  you will be=20i& multiplying your fortune very rapidly. Your total cost ! 200 Copies of this letter $ 20.00 - 200 Names list of opportunity seekers $ 26.00r" 200 Business size envelopes $ 5.00 200 .33 postage stamps $ 66.00% $1.00 to each of the six names $ 6.00  TOTAL COST $123.00  = BE SURE TO MAIL $1.00 TO EACH OF THE SIX NAMES ON THIS LETTERo? and don't forget to include a note saying =93Please add my namei$ and address to your mailing list=94.  5 1.=09L. Davis, 2020 Jay Eye See Ave, Racine, WI 53403l2 2.=09P. Taylor, 15801 Lazy Day, Dumfries, Va 220263 3.=09L. Grice, Route 7, Box 674, Lake City Fl 32055 1 4.=09K. Schulz 216 Lafayette Rd. Medina Oh. 44256e: 5.=09D. Gabel, 3420 52 Ave. Apt. 3406 Red Deer, AB T4N 6N2; 6.=09R. Wozney  3420 52 Ave. Apt. 3406 Red Deer, AB T4N 6N2    Here's How the System Worksa7 Assume for this example that you get a 7.5% return rate < 1.When you send out 200 letters, 15 people will send you a $ 1.00 =3D $ 15.00; 2.Those 15 people mail out 200 letters, each and 225 people # each send you a $ 1.00 =3D $ 225.00 = 3.Those 225 people mail out 200 letters each and 3,375 peoplea$ each send you a $1.00 =3D $ 3,375.00: 4.Those 3, 375 people mail out 200 letters each and 50,625, people each send you a $1.00 =3D $ 50,625.00; 5.Those 50,625 people mail out 200 letters each and 759,375n. people each send you a $ 1.00 =3D $ 759,375.00  @ At this point your name drops off the list, but you have already Received $813,615.00   It works every time!!!C We waste money in lotteries, enter sweepstakes and clip coupons.=20dF We need to invest in one another. Maybe you are not in need of the mo= ney....then doF it for someone else. For a neighbor, college student, endowment fund,=  camp, etc...=20 Let'si' help to fulfill one another's dreams!!! B When the money comes, give some to your church or charity.=A0 ManyF say, =93GOD has given us the knowledge to prosper=94, but you will on=
 ly prosper> when you have the faith to act on it say the Lord, and use it.  = Reply with remove in the subject line to be deleted from thist7 opportunity.=A0 Thank you for reading and best regards.r    F ---------------------------------------------------------------------=; -----------------------------------------------------------       ! Earn several thousands of dollars " in the next 90 days sending e-mail  > Seem impossible? Is there a catch? NO, there is no catch. Read on for your way to> financial freedom. THIS IS A MONEY MAKING OPPORTUNITY. It does not require youi? to come into contact with people, do any hard work, and best of  all, you never have to; leave the house except to get the mail. If you believe thata someday you'll get that bigt= break that you've been waiting for, THIS IS IT! Simply followx the instructions below, and  your dreams will come true.d  8 ********************************************************  = 1.=09Order all 4 reports shown on the list below. For each=20s report,  send $5.00 CASH to,l; the NAME & NUMBER OF THE REPORT YOU ARE ORDERING, with YOUR  NAME, Home and E-mail ADDRESS.5 2.=09After you've ordered the four reports, take THISt" advertisement/email and remove the= name and address under REPORT #4. Insert your name/address ing
 the REPORT #1o> position and move everyone else down a spot. The #4 person has now completed thed- cycle and is counting a mountain of $5 bills.l  @ Your cost to participate in this is practically nothing! (Surely you can afford $20). You< obviously already have an Internet Connection and e- mail is FREE! 9 There are two primary methods of building your down line:p? METHOD #1: SENDING BULK E-MAIL (Is far the fastest way and herey
 is a phone( number of the one I used 1-310-762-3107); METHOD #2 - PLACING FREE ADS ON THE INTERNET AND NEWSPAPERS 1 Follow this example to achieve the results below.e! 1st level-your 10 members with $5t( =2E..................................$50( 2nd level-10 members from those 10 ($5 x( 100)................................$500) 3rd level-10 members from those 100 ($5 x0* 1,000)..............................$5,000+ 4th level-10 members from those 1,000 ($5 x + 10,000).............................$50,000 + TOTAL-------------------------------$55,550a? For every $5.00 you receive, all you must do is e-mail them then report they ordered.
 THAT'S IT!7 ------------------- THE REPORTS ----------------------- , *** Order Each REPORT by NAME and NUMBER ***= Notes: - ALWAYS SEND $5 CASH (U.S. CURRENCY) FOR EACH REPORT.p CHECKS@ NOT ACCEPTED -=A0 Make sure the cash is concealed by wrapping it in at least one sheett: of paper.- On the sheets of paper, include: (a) the name & number of the report you are= ordering, (b) your e-mail address, and (c) your name & postal  address.  ' PLACE YOUR ORDER FOR THESE REPORTS NOW!e  8 --------------------------------------------------------  ? REPORT #1 =93The Insider's Guide to Advertising for Free on thee Internet=94a ORDER REPORT #1 FROM D. Gabel 3420 52 Ave. Apt. 3406 Red Deer, AB.=20 T4N 6N2-  8 --------------------------------------------------------  > REPORT #2 =93The Insider's Guide to Sending Bulk E-mail on the Internet=94  ORDER REPORT #2 FROM  
 Ken Schulz 216 Lafayette Road Medina, Ohio 44256  8 --------------------------------------------------------  C REPORT #3 =93The Secrets to Multilevel Marketing on the Internet=94t ORDER REPORT #3 FROM:   
 Joe Wilson 2445 S. Colorado Blvd. #343u Denver Colorado 80222   8 --------------------------------------------------------? REPORT #4 =93How to become a Millionaire utilizing the Power oft
 Multilevel Marketing and the Internet=94. ORDER REPORT #4 FROM:E =20  Susan Mooren 81643 West 8th Rd. PMB #48 Irrigon, OR0  8 --------------------------------------------------------  ? That's it! My personal testimony is that it works. I had a bulk  email company (1-310-762-g9 3107) send a minimal amount and received several times myy investment.U  8 --------------------------------------------------------  : This message is sent in compliance of the new e-mail bill: SECTION 301. Per/ Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of senate billn@ 1618,http://www.seneate.gov/~murkowski/commercialemail/S771index html? Further transmissions to you by the sender of this email may bet
 stopped at no'= cost to you by sending a reply to this email address with the  word =93remove=940 in the subject line. Thank you.<   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:34:43 -0400o% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> " Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us" Message-ID: <39f5e3ca@news.si.com>   Jeff Killeen writes:  K >If it is a "replace" [i.e., replace comp.org.decus with comp.org.encompassRI or comp.org.encompass.us] (which wasn't >my suggestion) then I would drop 	 the ".us"a  L Why would you NOT want to replace it?  What advantage would there be to keep comp.org.decus?m --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comeA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.come= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:15:15 GMT 2 From: dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu (Gregory J. DiLalo)) Subject: Re: Copy Users to Another Systemo1 Message-ID: <009F2155.ACB831E4@aesop.rutgers.edu>d  ^ In article <lodJ5.369$k412.589981@news.jazztel.pt>, "Vitor Sarabando" <vss@liscont.pt> writes: >Hi... > A >I'm Trying to copy users from one system to another, does anyoneb; >knows how it's done or do i have to create them by scratcht >  >Thanksv >p >Vitor Sarabando >vss@liscont.pty >h >,  > I recently did quite a bit of moving users from retiring VAXesL (running VMS as old as 5.5-2h4) and Alphas to new ES40/DS20Es running 7.2-1.J Get ahold of the OpenVMS Cluster Systems manual and look at the "Building J Common Files" appendix.  It is an excellent resource for merging syuaf.datL contents from one host to another and it also covers merging rightslist.dats also.V  K It worked flawlessly and saved me a ton of work (doing version upgrades andc+ manual horrors of the order you mentioned).i   Greg  P -------------------------------------+------------------------------------------N Gregory J. DiLalo                    | Voice (Work):   (732) 932-1100 Ext. 411F Management Information Services      | Voice (Home):   (732) 257-6969 E Cook College/NJAES                   | FAX:            (732) 932-8887uO Rutgers, The State University of NJ  | Internet:       dilalo@aesop.rutgers.edu P -------------------------------------+------------------------------------------   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 18:00:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: DECdtm QUESTIONS.6 Message-ID: <8t4ioa$agg$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  K In article <8t46gd$5bg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, richard_maher@my-deja.com writes:e :If SMCI is Memory Channel ...    H   As was stated elsewhere, SMCI is Shared Memory Cluster Interconnect.  C   Not Memory Channel (MC).  The SMCI and MC constructs are actuallyiF   rather different -- SMCI is a region of system physical memory used C   to communicate between instances within an OpenVMS Galaxy, while  E   Memory Channel is a PCI widget used to have a region of I/O memory IF   that can transmit its contents to a similar region of I/O memory on D   another PCI controller on system -- this design is akin to what isF   known as reflexive memory.  At a low level, the MC memory design is F   unidirectional, and read sections are different from write sections H   -- what appears to be an area of memory presented by the MC controllerH   has relatively unusual read-only and write-only components or regions.  H :                       ...then my best guess is YES it will improve theG :speed of your DECdtm transactions. (Although everyone seems to suggest,A :that MC is better suited to LARGE data transfers compared to theI" :miniscule requirements of DECdtm)  F   MC can help with locking traffic and is one of the fastest availableE   (multi-host) interconnects for System Communications Services (SCS)iF   locking traffic -- SMCI is obviously faster, but operates only amongD   instances within an OpenVMS Galaxy configuration.  MC works nicelyE   for low latency and low traffic and has good bandwidth, but larger 0E   volumes of data can and will chew up CPU shoveling the data around sC   -- this might or might not be a concern in any particular clusteroH   configuration, of course.  (Put another way, if you're busy shoveling E   data around, you might well have some extra CPU cycles available to    use for this data shoveling.)   H   We've implemented something that is effectively fast path for locking H   in V7.3, as well as a number of updates that speed locking activities.?   These may or may not be of interest to this particular DECdtm    application environment.  aF :My understanding is that DECnet knows to use the fastest interconnectD :available and if that is SMCI then that's what it, and consequently :DECdtm, will use. s  G   DECnet and other network packages on OpenVMS typically use any drivertE   that can present the standard network driver interface (VCI) to thegG   package.  In the case of an OpenVMS Galaxy, EBDRIVER presents the VCInI   driver interface to network packages using a region of galactic shared rF   memory.  (I tend to refer to this construct as the SMNI, the Shared    Memory Network Interconnect.)a  J   DECnet and other network protocols have particular schemes for choosing K   the best available link -- in many cases, the particular choices can be,  2   um, influenced by the system or network manager.  F   SCS trades off speed and overhead -- faster interconnects may or mayG   not have the lowest overhead.  SCS tries to choose the best availablejG   compromise -- lower-overhead links can be prefered over faster links.2  H :                 ...Someone who knows DECnet internals would be of more :use to you.  G   This probably really isn't an internals-level DECnet question, though F   it does obviously target detailed DECdtm activities and preferences.  G :Obviously the TCP/IP DECdtm code is begging to be released but whetheraE :the TCP/IP code is Memory Channel aware, I don't know. Anyway all ofhG :the unpublished DECdtm functionality is becoming too painful for me to2G :talk about but God bless you and keep you for actually doing somethingo
 :with DECdtm!o  B   Memory Channel is not used as a DECnet transport.  There is alsoD   no SCS VCI interface, though that would be an interesting project.E   (The only cluster-specific communications widget that has a DECnet  D   driver -- that I can recall off-hand -- is the CI port, and DECnet&   over CI was relatively rarely used.)  E   I would have to dig around some to find out where DECdtm was being RH   held up -- I'd have to find the bottleneck -- in the particular systemF   and application configuration in question here.  And I'd need to dig&   into just what DECdtm is doing here.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:17:14 +0100e4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>6 Subject: Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)8 Message-ID: <adkbvsspdbcvpj6q4cged7qa32gkikfn1b@4ax.com>  @ On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:51:50 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:e  t >In article <8t4btp$qd4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes: >>F >>	Is there a way to determine if there are any timer requests pendingK >>given a timer request ID?  For example, say I'm implementing a routine toaM >>be called after mapping into memory via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL.  The routinemP >>needs to use a timer to determine if/when a timeout condition occurs.  There'sN >>no guarantee that the calling routine/image isn't using any timers.  How canP >>my routine set a timer with a unique timer request ID, such that if cancelled,< >>it won't effect any timers from the calling routine/image? >=N >I don't believe that there is any "supported" way to do this.  If you controlM >the calling code, you can create a routine which can manage your request IDseN >but there is no guaranteed way otherwise.  I've often wished that there wouldP >be a mechanism similar to the SCS SCS$ALLOC_RSPID routine to grant an identify- >ing value for such purposes.e  B I use the address of a static longword.  That doesn't preclude theE possibility that someone else has hit on the same value, but at least A avoids the 1,2,3... situation and is unlikely to be chanced upon.r   	Johne -- o
 John Laird   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:04:35 GMTr= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)s6 Subject: Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)0 Message-ID: <009F2154.2F58D9A7@SendSpamHere.ORG>  o In article <adkbvsspdbcvpj6q4cged7qa32gkikfn1b@4ax.com>, John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk> writes: A >On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:51:50 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian0  >Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote: >0u >>In article <8t4btp$qd4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes:E >>>.G >>>	Is there a way to determine if there are any timer requests pending L >>>given a timer request ID?  For example, say I'm implementing a routine toN >>>be called after mapping into memory via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL.  The routineQ >>>needs to use a timer to determine if/when a timeout condition occurs.  There'soO >>>no guarantee that the calling routine/image isn't using any timers.  How canrQ >>>my routine set a timer with a unique timer request ID, such that if cancelled,E= >>>it won't effect any timers from the calling routine/image?S >>O >>I don't believe that there is any "supported" way to do this.  If you controlrN >>the calling code, you can create a routine which can manage your request IDsO >>but there is no guaranteed way otherwise.  I've often wished that there wouldcQ >>be a mechanism similar to the SCS SCS$ALLOC_RSPID routine to grant an identify-l >>ing value for such purposes. >vC >I use the address of a static longword.  That doesn't preclude the0F >possibility that someone else has hit on the same value, but at leastB >avoids the 1,2,3... situation and is unlikely to be chanced upon. >s >	John >--  >John Laird0    K I'm sure there are hundreds of possibilities.  The problem is getting everygL programmer to agree upon and use one method.  I really believe it would haveK been better to make the [reqidt] argument a write only argument returning a 3 unique value for the timer request that was queued.r     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM4             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.A   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 19:40:22 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)6 Message-ID: <8t4oj6$bfk$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  s In article <8t4btp$qd4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes:3E :	Is there a way to determine if there are any timer requests pendingl :given a timer request ID?  H   It is quite possible to nuke all outstanding timer requests, and this I   rather unfriendly programming gesture can have rather unintentionally, 3F   um, interesting results on the software that is expecting to receive   a timer.  But I digress...  F   I am aware of no API available for assigning these values -- this isK   something that is left up to the application programmer(s) to coordinate.   G   I tend to use a data structure address -- or potentially the routine l=   address, if I need no parameter -- as the timer request ID.t  H   Off-hand, the only obvious way out of this would be via some sort of aF   "resource domain" scheme -- where an application or library can haveF   its own private set of timers.  But I know of no plans in this area.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 19:53 -0400- From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m6 Subject: Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)& Message-ID: <24OCT200019532219@miasys>  R In article <009F2154.2F58D9A7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes... :fv >>>In article <8t4btp$qd4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes: >>>>H >>>>	Is there a way to determine if there are any timer requests pending >>>>given a timer request ID?y :bL >I'm sure there are hundreds of possibilities.  The problem is getting everyM >programmer to agree upon and use one method.  I really believe it would havemL >been better to make the [reqidt] argument a write only argument returning a4 >unique value for the timer request that was queued.  G Well, the suggestion in the manual is that providing the same value for J multiple requests is a provided convenience as it will allow you to cancelE several timer entries, for a single subsystem, as a group. A solutionaK _could_ have been to special case a timer-id value like 0 or -1 to indicate M the system to return a unique value in a predefined range (TQE pool address?)h Too late now I suppose.   / Heck, just use a randomized random generator...e3 what are the collision odds in 32 bit space?!   :^)o   Hein   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:11:52 GMT 4 From: "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.(: Message-ID: <IjrJ5.42177$76.776066@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com>  B Fasten your FUDbelts everybody, Andrew is rounding the bend now...    : "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageC news:D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB284@rlghncst625.usps.gov.... >. >.L http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/cn/20001023/tc/ebay_blames_upgrade_for_system > _troubles_1.html >-  > Monday October 23 10:00 PM EDT) > eBay blames upgrade for system troubles  > " > By Troy Wolverton, CNET News.com > C > eBay apologized to customers Monday for a system upgrade that has-E > led to intermittent outages and frustrating service problems during  > the past two weeks.t >eB >  In a note to members on its annoucements board, eBay apologizedE > for the problems and blamed them on an upgrade of its database thatW > it began in August.C >EB > "It may seem like it should take a short time to implement theseB > improvements," eBay said in its note. "But it is quite a task toC > perform installations and testing while keeping the existing siteu; > running. We conduct lots of tests to make sure that thesepB > transitions are as seamless as possible. Sometimes they are not.# > And for that, we are very sorry."- >-@ > eBay representatives did not respond to repeated calls seekingD > comment. In its note, eBay said it should complete the upgrade the > next "seven to 10 days." > C > The repeated system problems infuriated many auction sellers, who F > took to the message boards on eBay, Honesty.com and AuctionWatch.comF > to complain. Sellers were upset that eBay refused to extend auctions > affected by the downtimes. >-@ > "I decided to stop selling until eBay fixes their problems andE > offers real customer support when things go wrong," one eBay memberoB > said. "I used to come here to buy and sell because it's fun. I'm; > getting absolutely no fun now and not much money either."T > @ > The system upgrade and subsequent problems come amid a stellarC > earnings report last week from the San Jose, Calif.-based company = > that gave support to the company's sky-high future earnings-= > expectations. In a discussion of its financial results witheA > investors and analysts, eBay executives said that the company's3? > investments in upgrading its technology had begun to pay off.m > C > "We have made significant progress in stability and scalability,"-B > company chief executive Meg Whitman said in a note to members onA > the announcements board. "Our site again performed above the 996 > percent level this quarter." >iC > As a result, eBay has begun to scale back spending on operations, C > Whitman said. But the latest system problems could slow down thata	 > effort.h >eC > On Thursday, eBay took its site down for unscheduled maintenance.kA > The site was down about 40 minutes, eBay said. On Tuesday, eBay1B > had an hour-long unplanned outage. Despite the hour-long outage,8 > eBay did not extend auctions affected by the downtime.@ > On Oct. 15, eBay took its system down to perform "preventativeB > maintenance." The company warned members of the downtime just 10A > minutes before taking the system down. Although the maintenanceoC > was scheduled to last 10 minutes, eBay said system was down aboutp
 > 40 minutes.s > @ > "We apologize for this necessary inconvenience, and appreciate? > your understanding," eBay said in a note on its announcementss) > board concerning the Thursday downtime.r >eA > eBay began to upgrade its system in August to determine whetheraA > it could handle future customer and auction growth. In its notecC > to members Monday, the company gave more details on the technical:? > changes, explaining that it has upgraded its database programu! > from Oracle 7.3.4 to Oracle 8i.s >oB > As part of the upgrade, eBay has begun to divide its system intoB > different databases and onto different systems. The goal is thatC > if one feature on the system goes down, the rest of the site will ' > still be available, the company said.  >eB > The upgrade immediately resulted in a series of sporadic outagesA > and glitches involving the personalized "My eBay" pages and the & > bidding history of individual items. >V? > The current problems also have affected the My eBay pages and.? > the bidding history, as well as certain search features. eBay @ > explained in its note that it turned off those features during? > high traffic times to keep the rest of the eBay system up ands& > running as it upgraded the database. > : > "While all features are important, we try to temporarily? > disable those that have the most significant impact to system B > load and those that minimize impact to people's ability to find,0 > view and bid on items," eBay said in its note. > ? > But by turning off those features, eBay has made it difficulta? > for bidders to find and bid on items, said Rosalinda Baldwin,e> > who monitors eBay's system problems as editor of The Auction= > Guild online newsletter. Additionally, the problems members.> > have encountered have been worse than eBay has acknowledged,; > she said, with the hard outages much longer than eBay has- > stated in its postings.0 >2? > "The problems have been endless," Baldwin said. "If you can't:A > search and bid on an auction site, what good is the site doing?c > None." > ? > The system problems come as the holiday shopping season drawso8 > near. Last year, eBay became a popular gray market for7 > hard-to-find toys such as the Amazing Ally doll. Thatc? > phenomenon could repeat itself this year with sellers listinga> > items such as the PlayStation 2, which is in high demand due > to production cutbacks.u >a8 > The system problems could be an indication that eBay's= > listings are already beginning to climb, said Mark Gambale,o> > an analyst who covers the online auction industry for Gomez.= > "We're likely to see more problems as eBay gets closer to a  > spike in listings," he said. >e= > But eBay said it hoped to have the problems contained soon.r; > "Our goal is to make these improvements in advance of the 0 > holiday season," the company said in its note. > : > eBay's policy is to extend auctions and refund fees only& > when outages last two or more hours. > > > eBay said in its note that it would re-evaluate that policy. > > > "Some of you have written to us asking us to extend auctions= > during these periods of feature unavailability," eBay said.p9 > "In order to retrieve and change the information in then< > database, we would have to completely shut down the entire" > system for at least 30 minutes." >e= > But eBay should listen to its members, said Peter Marino, ao> > site operations analyst for Jupiter Communications. Although; > eBay's investment in technology will probably prevent thee@ > hours-long outages the site experienced last year, the company> > still needs to be sensitive to its customers, he said. Upset; > by problems like those eBay has had lately, members couldlB > turn to sites such as Yahoo or Amazon that offer more stability. >hC > "They don't have the luxury other sites do concerning downtimes,"a8 > Marino said. "They've got people 24 hours a day making' > transactions that mean a lot to them.a >p? > "If the problems continue, the key is not going to be so muchsA > on technical side, but on how they handle their customers. Theyt@ > may have to address that: how are they are being accommodating  > to what their customers want." > ==================> > The details of this article make eBay sound like the largest$ > kludge presently known to mankind. >n# > SEVEN to TEN DAYS for an upgrade?V > Let's see Andrew spin THIS.  > ================== > William W. Webbv > Sr. OpenVMS Systems Supporta > DSCMF/OSS/MS, USPS > (919)874-3043y >B   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:43:52 GMTr From: lisanel@my-deja.com   Subject: Employment, Los Angeles) Message-ID: <8t4sa6$pk5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>o  % The company I work for needs some VMSd/ developers.  If you want to work in Los Angelesf0 (actually a little outside of Los Angeles), send1 a resume to lnelson@icius.com and I'll send it tol my boss.  + We need people who know the VMS and Windowso0 operating systems.  We need Basic, COBOL, Forte,+ and Visual Basic people.  SQL is good, too.t/ Access databases, SQLserver, and RMS files.  (I-0 think our more immediate need is for Basic/COBOL
 programmers.)   ) I'm not the person who hires.  I'm just ae0 developer myself, but if you send me your resume. I promise to forward it to my boss, who is the owner of the company.e  
 Lisa Twede Los Angeles     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.E   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:39:13 -0400y) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.neth$ Subject: Re: Employment, Los Angeles9 Message-ID: <39f60fa0$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>l  . In <8t4sa6$pk5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 10/24/00 )    at 08:43 PM, lisanel@my-deja.com said:   = You will probably get more replies if you post salary ranges.e   Roland  & >The company I work for needs some VMS0 >developers.  If you want to work in Los Angeles1 >(actually a little outside of Los Angeles), send-2 >a resume to lnelson@icius.com and I'll send it to	 >my boss.r  , >We need people who know the VMS and Windows1 >operating systems.  We need Basic, COBOL, Forte,I, >and Visual Basic people.  SQL is good, too.0 >Access databases, SQLserver, and RMS files.  (I1 >think our more immediate need is for Basic/COBOLt >programmers.)  * >I'm not the person who hires.  I'm just a1 >developer myself, but if you send me your resume / >I promise to forward it to my boss, who is the# >owner of the company.   >Lisa Twede- >Los Angeles    ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/m >Before you buy. -- d; -----------------------------------------------------------eD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------I   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2000 21:45:02 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) $ Subject: Re: Employment, Los Angeles+ Message-ID: <FVdajIxbWVBj@eisner.decus.org>c  G Or consider a few hints about the end result (what the company "does").>  D Although you are to be congratulated on giving location information.> I see a lot of newsgroup job postings that don't mention that.   Larry Kilgallenc  e In article <39f60fa0$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net writes:n0 > In <8t4sa6$pk5$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, on 10/24/00 + >    at 08:43 PM, lisanel@my-deja.com said:y > ? > You will probably get more replies if you post salary ranges.t >  > Roland > ' >>The company I work for needs some VMSa1 >>developers.  If you want to work in Los Angelese2 >>(actually a little outside of Los Angeles), send3 >>a resume to lnelson@icius.com and I'll send it tos
 >>my boss. > - >>We need people who know the VMS and Windows 2 >>operating systems.  We need Basic, COBOL, Forte,- >>and Visual Basic people.  SQL is good, too.s1 >>Access databases, SQLserver, and RMS files.  (Ie2 >>think our more immediate need is for Basic/COBOL >>programmers.)- > + >>I'm not the person who hires.  I'm just ay2 >>developer myself, but if you send me your resume0 >>I promise to forward it to my boss, who is the >>owner of the company.9 >  >>Lisa Twede
 >>Los Angeles  >  > ( >>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ >>Before you buy.  > -- a= > -----------------------------------------------------------1F > yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"8 >                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a: >                             For a Microsoft free univers= > -----------------------------------------------------------y >    ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2000 22:02:34 -0400) From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)a< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...+ Message-ID: <8t5evq$skb$1@panix3.panix.com>h  2 In article <8stfvn$ed7$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,% Jeff Killeen <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote:t? >>So vote "No" !  The Board of Directors has gone out on a limbi? >>and claimed that what they passed is acceptable. If they havet@ >>failed in that regard, the only honest response is to vote No. >hJ >If you choose to vote no please do so on informed basis with knowledge ofH >what will happen if this rejected.  The Board voted this through not asL >referendum of whether these are prefect by-laws but instead a needed actionJ >to continue to deliver the products and services of the User Group at the >national level.  J Yeah, you won't get your way after suborning the democratic process.  Gee,, that'd be a *terrible* thing to have happen.   -- oJ Thor Lancelot Simon	                                      tls@rek.tjls.com< 	the effort to perceive simply the cruel radiance of what is   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:10:36 GMTg0 From: "Chris Chiesa" <cchiesa1@rochester.rr.com>* Subject: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400; Message-ID: <gqqJ5.83590$JS3.12466496@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>   
 Hello all,  J    Long time no talk.  Since being downsized out of VMS-for-a-living three yearsuC ago, I've "kept my hand in" by virtue of a home system and a little 
 moonlighting.e/ One of my moonlighting jobs now has me baffled.h  J    My customer has a MicroVAX 3400 running (probably; I can't confirm just now)C VMS V5.4-2, using TCP/IP by running one of the earliest releases of 
 WollongongE TCP/IP software.  This ran against the CPU card's built-in "thinwire"  (coaxial) Ether-K net port until a few months ago, then that "died" and he had to switch overh to usingB the built-in "thickwire" Ethernet port and a thickwire-to-thinwire transceiver.  Nowg% THAT has died, and he's called ME in.t  G    I spent about two hours trying to refresh my memories of this systemi	 (this guyaL was one of my employer's former customers, and I myself installed WollongongI onto it 9 years ago) and to find any visible problem with the software or 	 hardware.eI Neither panned out and all I could suggest was, "replace the CPU card" tot get at* whole new pair of built-in Ethernet ports.  I    I just heard from him tonight that he did so -- and it did NOT fix theu
 problem.  I'msK baffled.  I'm running out of "simple" hypotheses and am starting to have toy think of more exotic ones.d  F    1) He just so happened to replace his original CPU with another one	 broken in 0 exactly the same manner.  Odds?  Seems unlikely.  G    2) ALL 3400 CPUs (KA-630? 640?  I don't remember) "expire" vis-a-visl	 their on--I board Ethernet capabilities, around this point in their lifetimes.  Seems  unlikely --a2 but significantly improves the odds of (1), above.  I    3) It's software even though I don't see any other signs of corruptioni (disk blocksK where software resides) or operational misbehavior (acts like hardware just0 isn't2	 working).d  %    4) Anything else YOU can think of!i  L    If it's the software, we're still in a fix.  He probably doesn't have the original Wollon-L gong installation tapes, as my former employer kept those for itself instead of hand-F ing them out to the customers on whose systems they were installed (go figure).J The old employer no longer does VAX/VMS systems, so probably also does notL still have the tapes -- although we're going to at least INQUIRE.  I have no	 idea whe-eJ ther Wollongong is still in business, still sells VAX/VMS TCP/IP software, or wouldG support such an ancient release -- but I'd bet AGAINST at least SOME oft those F things.  I assume "current" TCP/IP packages probably require newer VMS versionsK than V5.4-2, and that such "newer" VMS versions are unsupported on hardware  asJ ancient as a MicroVAX 3400-- although they probably WILL RUN, bless 'em... :-)tE If we consider upgrading the VAX itself, we're still limited to Q-bus 
 machines, be-sL cause the machine is used as a turnkey system whose sole purpose is to drive aiF properietary peripheral device whose driver exists only in Q-bus form.  4     So, what are our options?  I cringe to even ASK.  L     Please e-mail me even if you also reply here; my free time isn't what it used to be, 1 and I'd do it for YOU if YOU were the one asking.a       Thanks in advance,          Chris Chiesat(          (whom some of you may remember)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:28:40 -05002) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>p. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400/ Message-ID: <svckm9kuvsm293@corp.supernews.com>   4 "Chris Chiesa" <cchiesa1@rochester.rr.company> wrote@ in message news:gqqJ5.83590$JS3.12466496@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...  1 > One of my moonlighting jobs now has me baffled.g >e< > My customer has a MicroVAX 3400 running (probably; I can't< > confirm just now)  VMS V5.4-2, using TCP/IP by running one9 > of the earliest releases of Wollongong TCP/IP software.o? > This ran against the CPU card's built-in "thinwire" (coaxial)W? > Ethernet port until a few months ago, then that "died" and heaD > had to switch over to using the built-in "thickwire" Ethernet port/ > and a thickwire-to-thinwire transceiver.  Nowi' > THAT has died, and he's called ME in.g  I Has someone verified that the ethernet segment does not have any problemsi, and somewhat conforms to the specifications?  > > Neither panned out and all I could suggest was, "replace the? > CPU card" to get a whole new pair of built-in Ethernet ports..  " Was the cabinet kit replaced also?  ? >    I just heard from him tonight that he did so -- and it didd > NOT fix the problem.  I The first thing it to verify if the problem is with network hardware, the.2 VAX ethernet port, or the software running on VMS.  I Create a small compliant thin-net network with only the VAX and a network-F monitor on it.  That way you can easily confirm if the VAX is working.  L With a network monitor working, you can try booting to the internal ethernet, card and watch the requests on the ethernet.  F If that works, you know that the hardware is at least sending packets.  E Then boot the VAX normally and use the TCP/IP program and the networknJ monitor using the PING command.  If that works, you know the problem is in the other network hardware.h  J Having another system on the network that understands MOP, LAT, or anotherF protocol in common with the suspect system can help with the diagosis.4 Network monitor programs are on the VMS freeware CD.  J There are supposed to be downloadable network monitors for x86 PCs running; LINUX, or a commercial one available for Windows NT Server.o  C Troubleshooting networking hardware can be done cheaply with visualaK inspection and isolating segments.  A time-domain reflectometer can be usedu+ to quickly find physical defects in cables.h  J The things that can cause an ethernet segment to stop working reliably canJ be endless.  An intermittent circuit that sometimes comes back to life (orH dies) when something is touched is a common problem in thin-net ethernetG circuits.  The TEE connectors can go bad this way, rare but it happens.t   -Johnu wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:08:59 -0400i2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger). Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2510000008590001@user-2ive7ej.dialup.mindspring.com>  m In article <gqqJ5.83590$JS3.12466496@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, "Chris Chiesa" <cchiesa1@rochester.rr.com> wrote:a    L >    My customer has a MicroVAX 3400 running (probably; I can't confirm just > now)E > VMS V5.4-2, using TCP/IP by running one of the earliest releases oft > WollongongG > TCP/IP software.  This ran against the CPU card's built-in "thinwire"t > (coaxial) Ether-M > net port until a few months ago, then that "died" and he had to switch overt
 > to usingD > the built-in "thickwire" Ethernet port and a thickwire-to-thinwire > transceiver.  Nowe' > THAT has died, and he's called ME in.o  K How does he know the ethernet is dead?  Maybe the thing it talks to on the f2 other end is dead instead?  Maybe a cable is sick?  0 What is the symptom?  Is there an error message?    K >    I just heard from him tonight that he did so -- and it did NOT fix theh > problem.  I'mpM > baffled.  I'm running out of "simple" hypotheses and am starting to have toV
 > think of > more exotic ones.e    O So 4 ethernet ports have failed in a short span of time?  If there haven't beenaM software changes, and there are no software symptoms, I strongly suspect some   OTHER piece of network hardware.    I >    2) ALL 3400 CPUs (KA-630? 640?  I don't remember) "expire" vis-a-visW > their on-uK > board Ethernet capabilities, around this point in their lifetimes.  Seemss
 > unlikely --c4 > but significantly improves the odds of (1), above.  H There's probably an on-board battery to keep the date.  It could well be< dead, but it's a stretch to think it would kill an ethernet.  ?   I assume "current" TCP/IP packages probably require newer VMSl
 > versionsM > than V5.4-2, and that such "newer" VMS versions are unsupported on hardwarel > asL > ancient as a MicroVAX 3400-- although they probably WILL RUN, bless 'em...  H The SPD still lists this system as supported in current versions of VMS:    o  MicroVAX 3400, VAXserver 3400   Only a few Vaxes have been desupported, probably because they couldn't take enough memory to run newer versions.  Probably a few more will be left behindh% in the next release or the one after.h   But a VMS upgrade will require that the custom device driver is re-assembled and re-linked.  If the source code isn't available, there will be pain.  Also, I think there were some changes to device driver architecture since 5.4, so sourceM code changes might be needed.  I don't know for sure.  Someone will certainly m need to obtain and read the intervening release notes to see if there is a potential problem with the driver.t    G > If we consider upgrading the VAX itself, we're still limited to Q-busr > machines, be-yN > cause the machine is used as a turnkey system whose sole purpose is to drive > aaH > properietary peripheral device whose driver exists only in Q-bus form.  7 Vax 4000 series machines are nice, and they have Q-bus.n   -- t Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:17:14 +0200i( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400& Message-ID: <39F66CDA.6F1E890E@cli.de>   Chris Chiesa schrieb:  > H > I just heard from him tonight that he did so -- and it did NOT fix theG > problem.  I'm baffled.  I'm running out of "simple" hypotheses and am 0 > starting to have to think of more exotic ones. > : Check the cabinet kit and its wiring to the ethernet-card.< Take a Linux-Box (eg. 486/66) and tcpdump to see if there is% network traffic coming form the card.   B > If it's the software, we're still in a fix.  He probably doesn't? > have the original Wollongong installation tapes, as my former. >s? porting from Wollongong to UCX is, as far as I remember, only a ? matter of relinking perhaps recompiling, too. I can't remember..  ? > I assume "current" TCP/IP packages probably require newer VMSi> > versions than V5.4-2, and that such "newer" VMS versions are > unsupported on hardwarea >t> Wollongong isn't there any more. Does anybody knows if UCX 4.x works with VMS 5.4 ???8 Another way is porting to the CMUIP-Stack. Its all free.   -- a( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de=C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:48:09 -0500e) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net>=. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400/ Message-ID: <svcsrnb8srmqa6@corp.supernews.com>4  4 "Chris Chiesa" <cchiesa1@rochester.rr.company> wrote@ in message news:gqqJ5.83590$JS3.12466496@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...  1 > One of my moonlighting jobs now has me baffled.n >.< > My customer has a MicroVAX 3400 running (probably; I can't< > confirm just now)  VMS V5.4-2, using TCP/IP by running one9 > of the earliest releases of Wollongong TCP/IP software. ? > This ran against the CPU card's built-in "thinwire" (coaxial) ? > Ethernet port until a few months ago, then that "died" and henD > had to switch over to using the built-in "thickwire" Ethernet port/ > and a thickwire-to-thinwire transceiver.  Nown' > THAT has died, and he's called ME in.   I Has someone verified that the ethernet segment does not have any problems , and somewhat conforms to the specifications?  > > Neither panned out and all I could suggest was, "replace the? > CPU card" to get a whole new pair of built-in Ethernet ports.   " Was the cabinet kit replaced also?  ? >    I just heard from him tonight that he did so -- and it didf > NOT fix the problem.  I The first thing it to verify if the problem is with network hardware, thec2 VAX ethernet port, or the software running on VMS.  I Create a small compliant thin-net network with only the VAX and a networkoF monitor on it.  That way you can easily confirm if the VAX is working.  L With a network monitor working, you can try booting to the internal ethernet, card and watch the requests on the ethernet.  F If that works, you know that the hardware is at least sending packets.  E Then boot the VAX normally and use the TCP/IP program and the networkOJ monitor using the PING command.  If that works, you know the problem is in the other network hardware.I  J Having another system on the network that understands MOP, LAT, or anotherG protocol in common with the suspect system can help with the diagnosis.m4 Network monitor programs are on the VMS freeware CD.  J There are supposed to be downloadable network monitors for x86 PCs running; LINUX, or a commercial one available for Windows NT Server.-  C Troubleshooting networking hardware can be done cheaply with visualcK inspection and isolating segments.  A time-domain reflectometer can be used + to quickly find physical defects in cables.   J The things that can cause an ethernet segment to stop working reliably canJ be endless.  An intermittent circuit that sometimes comes back to life (orH dies) when something is touched is a common problem in thin-net ethernetG circuits.  The TEE connectors can go bad this way, rare but it happens.@   -Johnc wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:15:23 -0400h0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>$ Subject: Re: Future of VT, etc . . .C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-ED456B.14152324102000@news.compaq.com>e   In article lB <OF1B330A3B.02B11D25-ON83256982.0065F0E5@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  D > I think it would be useful if the next generation of VT terminals E > will be based on Java or Citrix/ ICA. To have something similar to d8 > Windows desktop or even X-Windows but much more light.  C This sounds like the VT Lan40, introduced and discontinued in 1995.o   Paul    0                    DIGITAL EQUIPMENT CORPORATION  '                              FACT SHEETp      2 PRODUCT NAME:  VT LAN40 Windowing Network Terminal    	 OVERVIEW:B  A The VT LAN40 Network Terminal combines the best elements of an X dD terminal, a personal computer running a terminal emulator, and text D and graphics terminals into a single product.  The user environment 0 is true windows, so the VT LAN40 is easy to use.    n< The VT LAN40 Network Terminal is preconfigured for Ethernet C networks. It provides access to text and graphics applications (in  A color) through the familiar Microsoft Windows 3.1 interface. And  B like all of Digital's VT terminals, the VT LAN40 Network Terminal B also enables connections over serial lines so applications can be ? accessed via a direct connection to a network through a serial  . interface, or by using a combination of both.      KEY FEATURES AND BENEFITS:    @     o  Configured for Ethernet Networks for Low Network Support         Costs>        -  Ethernet, ThinWire, Thick Wire, or Twisted Pair (10            BaseT).        -  Protocols:  TCP/IP, DECnet, and LAT.       o  Full Serial Line Supporta  A     o  Windows Environment:  Microsoft Windows 3.1; Four Windows ,7        Languages -- English, French, German and Spanish!  .     o  Up to Eight Independent, Color Sessions  <     o  Text emulations:  VT420, VT340, VT330, VT320, VT220,         VT100, and VT52  A     o  Graphics protocols:  ReGIS, Sixel, and Tektronix 4010/4014e  0     o  Displays Monochrome Applications in Color  %     o  Supports 12 Keyboard Languagese  >     o  Supports Digital VT (108 key) and Enhanced PC (101/102         key) keyboardss  0     o  Supports 14-inch through 21-inch Monitors       o  Three Year Warranty     PRICING AND AVAILABILITY:.  ? The VT LAN40 Windowing Network Terminal is available in March, c 1995.e      2 VT LAN40 System Box including mouse           $890$ Base Configuration of VT LAN40 with 2 keyboard and 14-inch color monitor          $1,249  # Digital color model prices include:a  2 VR424 14" Color Monitor                       $2992 VR425 15" Color Monitor                       $449P VR417 17" Color Monitor                       $999                                                            .L VRC20 20" Color Monitor                     $1,499                          2 VRC21 21" Color Monitor                     $2,495    	 WARRANTY:y  D The VT LAN40 Terminal controller box and keyboard have a three-year ? warranty.  For three years we will repair or replace defective  > components at no charge at a Digital Service Center.  Digital 8 Equipment Corporation Monitors have a one-year warranty.     PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS:    Controller Box  ( Height: 2.8 inches      Weight:  10 lbs.* Depth: 13.2 inches      Width: 12.8 inches  = The VT LAN40 has two styles of Keyboards, a VT (108 Key) and "  enhanced PC (101/102 Key) model.  $                                 ####    A Note to Editors:  DEC, DECnet, LAT, ReGIS, ThinWire, VT, Digital yA                   and the DIGITAL logo are trademarks of Digital m(                   Equipment Corporation.  :         Tektronix and 4010/4014 are registered trademarks %                   of Tektronix, Inc. a  8         Microsoft is a registered trademark and Windows =                   and Windows NT are trademarks of Microsoft h                   Corporation.   CORP/95/781a   -- e,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2000 11:35:21 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)P$ Subject: Re: Future of VT, etc . . ., Message-ID: <wUR5R4syaajy@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  D In article <paul.r.anderson-ED456B.14152324102000@news.compaq.com>, 8       Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:  E >> I think it would be useful if the next generation of VT terminals tF >> will be based on Java or Citrix/ ICA. To have something similar to 9 >> Windows desktop or even X-Windows but much more light.r > E > This sounds like the VT Lan40, introduced and discontinued in 1995.n >   @    Unless of course he meant something that worked properly ( ie1 wasn't slow and subject to frequent crashes ) ;-)t   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:57:52 -0400h0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>$ Subject: Re: Future of VT, etc . . .C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-D56C70.14575224102000@news.compaq.com>y  G In article <wUR5R4syaajy@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>, nothome@spammers.are.scum i (Malcolm Dunnett) wrote:  G > Unless of course he meant something that worked properly ( ie wasn't /, > slow and subject to frequent crashes ) ;-)  ; Oh, sorry, I thought he wanted something like Windows.  ;-)s   Paul   -- a,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:55:00 GMTML From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")/ Subject: Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPSd8 Message-ID: <009F2163.9C6A36C1@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  v In article <paul.r.anderson-54526B.10150124102000@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:: >In article <009F2092.EA0C1BF0@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, & >winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU wrote: > D >> Now the people in a remote building have a new HP4050TN(?); they H >> swear to me that this just the same as the other 4050 except that it  >> has a duplexing option. >uJ >Are the two printers configured identically?  Please check to see if the I >PostScript/PCL sensing settings are set correctly.  You also might want hB >to see if both printers have the same revision level of firmware.  K The other printer is also a 4050TN.  I got config printouts from them both.e  K Both were set to "Auto"; I tried changing the one that doesn't work to "PS"i" and it didn't make any difference.  M Header page prints, then there's a minute or so where you see "data received"VI and "ready" alternating, and then the job dies without printing anything.n  L The main differences I see are the "Printer Number", which is "B" on the oneL that works and "D" on the one that does.  The one that doesn't work has more1 recent firmware and a more recent Jetdirect card."   -- Alano    O ===============================================================================d0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056nM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210dO ===============================================================================l   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 17:00:19 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)/ Subject: Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPS 3 Message-ID: <QsrvnvCWpshn@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>a  9 In article <009F2163.9C6A36C1@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,  R     winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes: [...]rN > The main differences I see are the "Printer Number", which is "B" on the oneN > that works and "D" on the one that does.  The one that doesn't work has more3 > recent firmware and a more recent Jetdirect card.T  H         Yech!  So HP is screwing us again,  eh?  BTW, is that a built-inH     Jetdirect  card,  or  something added "after  purchase"?   The  saga     continues...           -Ken -- aM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edui:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:21:19 GMToL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")/ Subject: Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPSn8 Message-ID: <009F2167.494DAF0F@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>   In article <QsrvnvCWpshn@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:: >In article <009F2163.9C6A36C1@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>, S >    winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  >[...]O >> The main differences I see are the "Printer Number", which is "B" on the oneoO >> that works and "D" on the one that does.  The one that doesn't work has more.4 >> recent firmware and a more recent Jetdirect card. >cI >        Yech!  So HP is screwing us again,  eh?  BTW, is that a built-inuI >    Jetdirect  card,  or  something added "after  purchase"?   The  saga  >    continues...   I A colleague is planning to try switching Jetdirect cards between the one fJ that works and the one that doesn't.  I don't, currently, know the historyC of whether the Jetdirect card was gotten with the printer or later.t   -- Alane  O ===============================================================================e0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056lM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210hO ===============================================================================a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:18:11 -0400u0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>/ Subject: Re: Inexpensive Laser Printers for VMS C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-F46ECB.14181124102000@news.compaq.com>v  C In article <7162F87E9EF4D311BA9900805FC1D3AE7A6225@and02.drc.com>, o* "Ebinger . Eric" <EEbinger@drc.com> wrote:  C > Any recommendations on inexpensive laser printers that work with xC > DCPS would be appreciated. I would be particluarly interested in  G > hearing of any plans to support the HP2100TN printer as it seems the lO > closest fit (in price, networking, and inclusion of a postscript "emulator").p  H Some customers have gotten their HP LaserJet 2100 printers to work with F DCPS.  It cannot work as an "unrecognized" printer without changes to G the DCPS environment because of PostScript bugs in the printer.  There  F have been specific instructions posted in this newsgroup and it's not  too hard to do.   ; We plan on supporting the 2100 in the next release of DCPS.p   Paul   -- n,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:40:48 GMTi From: Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl>/ Subject: Re: Inexpensive Laser Printers for VMSt' Message-ID: <39F601DF.DD1F8C94@home.nl>a  G Look at Brother laserprinters.  They have a cheap network printer incl.d postscript.a: http://www.brother.com/usa/printer/info/hl1270n/index.html  ! I suppose it will work with DCPS.c   regards,   Dirk     "Ebinger . Eric" wrote:I > - > I am planning to upgrade my home collectiond4 > of systems (AlphaPC164SX running Windows NT-Alpha,; > DS10 and Digital Server 3305 running hobbyiest VMS 7.2-1)f= > to include networking the systems (Twisted Pair) and adding-> > a laser printer.  The problem is that there don't seem to be= > any laser printers (supported by DCPS) that are in my pricer > range (>$1100).e > = > Again, this is for my home systems, high performance is notn@ > one of the requirements, reliability is.  It is also importantA > that I be able to use the printer from any of the systems.  AnycC > recommendations on inexpensive laser printers that work with DCPSjF > would be appreciated.  I would be particluarly interested in hearingF > of any plans to support the HP2100TN printer as it seems the closestG > fit (in price, networking, and inclusion of a postscript "emulator").  >  > Thanks in advance. >  > Eric Ebinger   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 17:10:38 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)n1 Subject: Re: mail$system_flags, DECNET IV & alias 0 Message-ID: <8t4fqe$fh6$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  k In article <8t4bnl$92q$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes:a >yg >In article <8t3v29$8sg$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>, gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann) writes:p >eL >:VMS 6.2 on a MicroVAX 3100. According to the docs it should be possible toP >:suppress the DECnet node portion of an e-mail address in a homomgenous cluster3 >:by defining MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS in the correct way.n >tC >  Where in the documentation are you looking?  (Could this be some B >  confusion over whether the DECnet transport or the more direct 4 >  local transport is used for intra-cluster email?)  2 OpenVMS System Manager's Manual: Essentials: 5-32.  aN >:                                                 I assigned it a value of 7.M >:Nevertheless all mail sent from this node contains still a DECnet nodename.MJ >:In NCP I defined an alias name for the VAXen in the cluster so that theyM >:use this alias name and not their nodename. But shouldn't it be possible tocE >:prevent the nodename from appearing in e-mail messages alltogether?o >n, >  Exactly how is mail$system_flags defined? >o- >    $ define/exec/system mail$system_flags 7r  4  "MAIL$SYSTEM_FLAGS" [exec] = "7" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)   >  On all nodes?   Yes.  F >  I would expect that a received email message -- arriving via DECnetI >  and specifically via the Mail-11 protocol -- would contain either the nH >  originating node or (if set up for it) the originating cluster alias.K >  I would tend to expect that the originating node would include a return iL >  email address, in other words.  (This is how local mail typically works, ? >  even on a standalone -- though networked -- OpenVMS system.)   J As long as DECnet isn't running I am still able to send mail and this timeG there is no nodename in the address. After I restart DECnet again mailsfL sent from this node to a user in the homogenous cluster contain the nodenameI (or the cluster alias) in the "From:"-line. I thought bit 1 would prevente just this...   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------    Date: 24 Oct 2000 15:21:13 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridgee+ Message-ID: <lIpXaXtOqPbD@eisner.decus.org>a  ' In article <39F5AC21.2A52D339@rpi.edu>,l/ Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.education> writes:t > Hello,: >     We've got a VAXstation 4 with a TK70 tape drive that# >     I'd like to reinstall VMS on.l  < As has been often stated on this forum, precise system names& and possibly model numbers are needed.    < Since this machine is currently running OpenVMS, please post, the first few lines of $SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE.  * Also the device identification lines from:   $show device/full MU:  $show device/full MK:t $show device/full MIA:    ; I know of no Digital or Compaq machines that have a name ofe
 VAXstation 4.   < I know of quite a few VAXstation 4000 models and quite a few: VAX 4000 Models that it is possible that graphics hardware could be put into.    : I know of no TK70 tape drives that will work in any of the= VAXstation 4000 series.  The VAXstation 4000 series uses SCSI1; buses for tapes and disks.  TK70 drives to my knowledge areo not available for SCSI buses.e  > What is available for SCSI buses is TK50Z drives, TZ30 drives,> and a number of DLT drives with a TZ85, TZ86, TZ87, TZ88, TZ89 designators.    2 > I think the drive takes the same cartridges as a$ > TK50, but I'm not completely sure.  . What is the model number or name on the drive?  / A TK70 drive can read TK50 formatted cartriges.i  3 A TK50 drive can not read TK70 formatted cartriges.h  B A DLT drive may be able to read TK50 or TK70 formatted cartridges.= Some of them were sold with out this ability at a lower cost.T  ' >  Anyways, I would use the OpenVMS/VAX ; > hobbyist CD that I purchased, except for one big problem. ? > Any attempt of mine to interface this DEC CD-ROM drive to thes< > SCSI bus seems to result in the blowing of fuses that cost > $1.30 each time.  @ Have you verified that you are actually dealing with a SCSI bus?  < All models of the VAX 4000 (not VAXstation) series that I am aware of have DSSI buses.t  @ Some of the above mentioned DLT drives have DSSI verions such as a TF85 or a TF86.g  5 DSSI is not interchangeable with SCSI.  I do not knowi@ specifically what the differences are, but the electrical signal levels are different.t  ? I would stress again that we need proper identification of whatc( your hardware is in order to assist you.  @ Your blown fuses are probably trying to tell you the same thing.  
 > I'd like to > > avoid interfacing anything to the machine besides the drives? > already in it, so tape install would be ideal.  The machine'st@ > previous OS was VAX/VMS 5.5-2.  Any version from that or newer; > would be acceptable.  I'll pay for the tape and shipping.F  > The fastest course is if you can locate someone geographically
 close to you.o  ? Some of the occupants of this list have been know to offer suchs assistence.U  A I will have to admit that I do not know where RPI.EDU is located.4> If you can give the name of the nearest local city to you, you( may find someone close by that can help.   -John  wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 20:29:51 GMT* From: bdwheele@indiana.edu (Brian Wheeler)' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge 3 Message-ID: <8t4rfv$3i9$1@flotsam.uits.indiana.edu>g  + In article <lIpXaXtOqPbD@eisner.decus.org>,y5 	malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) writes:i  = > I know of no Digital or Compaq machines that have a name ofL > VAXstation 4.n > > > I know of quite a few VAXstation 4000 models and quite a few< > VAX 4000 Models that it is possible that graphics hardware > could be put into. >   E It might be a field upgrade.  My department has what appears to be a  N VAX 4000/200 (at least according to show lic/charge: "This is a VAX 4000-200, K hardware model type 248") but the name plate says "VAXstation 4", which is 0L pretty funny, considering it is a 4' cabinet...with 2 other cabinets holding$ RA81/RA82 drives...'station' indeed.  C According to my boss it was an in-cabinet upgrade of a MicroVAX II.r  
 Brian Wheelera bdwheele@indiana.edu   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 22:01:18 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridger6 Message-ID: <8t50re$d9v$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <lIpXaXtOqPbD@eisner.decus.org>, malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) writes:( :In article <39F5AC21.2A52D339@rpi.edu>,0 :Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.education> writes:; :>     We've got a VAXstation 4 with a TK70 tape drive thatE$ :>     I'd like to reinstall VMS on. :t= :As has been often stated on this forum, precise system namesD' :and possibly model numbers are needed.p  
   Correct.  J   The 2T-KA660 series upgrades resulted in something known as the "VAX 4",H   and it would not surprise me to see one of these kits (or a simple CPUI   and memory "transplant") used to create a "VAXstation 4".  (I know that I   the MicroVAX 3 and MicroVAX 3+ upgrades specifically listed VAXstation  G   upgrades.)  There was also a CJ-660PV-CA package available in certain-I   areas, creating something known as the "VAXstation 4200" series.  With @K   the right GPX giblets installed in the Q-bus, you could probably convert eI   the rarely-seen VAX 4000 model 50 series into a Q-bus workstation, too.D  J   Which all translates into the request for explicit specification of the    exact box you have.>  ; :I know of no TK70 tape drives that will work in any of thea> :VAXstation 4000 series.  The VAXstation 4000 series uses SCSI< :buses for tapes and disks.  TK70 drives to my knowledge are :not available for SCSI buses.  G   Correct.  But this is probably a KA660-based VAXstation, and thus it c   has a Q-bus.  ( :>  Anyways, I would use the OpenVMS/VAX< :> hobbyist CD that I purchased, except for one big problem.@ :> Any attempt of mine to interface this DEC CD-ROM drive to the= :> SCSI bus seems to result in the blowing of fuses that costf :> $1.30 each time.g :DA :Have you verified that you are actually dealing with a SCSI bus?t  H   If there are fuses blowing, then there is either something wrong with I   the hardware, or the hardware is not compatible with the configuration.r  J   The usual approach to conntact RRD-series CD-ROM media to Q-bus systems F   is via the KFQSA and HSD-series DSSI to SCSI controller, or via the 7   KZQSA Q-bus to (specific tapes and CD-ROM only) SCSI.r  C   Or serve or remotely access the media via another OpenVMS system.u  B :I will have to admit that I do not know where RPI.EDU is located.? :If you can give the name of the nearest local city to you, you5) :may find someone close by that can help..  B   Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute ("the 'tute" -- not sure on the@   spelling of that) is located on high ground overlooking scenic=   downtown Troy, NY and the nearby Hudson River.  The nearestCD   Compaq office is located on Washington Avenue Extension in nearby B   Albany NY, a pleasant twenty minutes via I787 and I90 from Troy.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:34:02 -0400s) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.netv' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge 9 Message-ID: <39f60eda$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   , In <39F5AC21.2A52D339@rpi.edu>, on 10/24/00 7    at 11:34 AM, Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu> said:d  ) Do you have a standalone bootable backup?n  G I don't have a CD-ROM on my old microvax, but do on my alpha machine up C here.  I haven't hooked up my tape drives yet, but could do so next H weekend.  (I haven't hooked up my DEC tape drives, but have hooked up my Sony SDT-7000)  I While I have never made a bootable tape from CD-ROM, I am willing to give % it a go if you have no other options.-   Roland   >Hello,=E >    We've got a VAXstation 4 with a TK70 tape drive that I'd like to J >reinstall VMS on.  I think the drive takes the same cartridges as a TK50,C >but I'm not completely sure.  Anyways, I would use the OpenVMS/VAXtJ >hobbyist CD that I purchased, except for one big problem.  Any attempt ofH >mine to interface this DEC CD-ROM drive to the SCSI bus seems to resultF >in the blowing of fuses that cost $1.30 each time.  I'd like to avoidI >interfacing anything to the machine besides the drives already in it, so)D >tape install would be ideal.  The machine's previous OS was VAX/VMSI >5.5-2.  Any version from that or newer would be acceptable. I'll pay forS >the tape and shipping.    >Thanks, >    Derek Konigsberga >    konigd@rpi.edun% >    RPI Electronics Club (president)n     -- c; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:46:41 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge2> Message-ID: <hshubs-E83226.22464124102000@news.mindspring.com>  : In article <39f60eda$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:  H >I don't have a CD-ROM on my old microvax, but do on my alpha machine upD >here.  I haven't hooked up my tape drives yet, but could do so nextI >weekend.  (I haven't hooked up my DEC tape drives, but have hooked up myL >Sony SDT-7000))  M I think you'll find that the Alpha binaries won't do much good on a VAX, and F- you can't build a STABACKIT tape on an Alpha.v -- n Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:40:25 -0500A7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>W' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge - Message-ID: <39F65629.8E9CB3BD@earthlink.net>P   Derek Konigsberg wrote:" >  > Hello,F >     We've got a VAXstation 4 with a TK70 tape drive that I'd like toE > reinstall VMS on.  I think the drive takes the same cartridges as a J > TK50, but I'm not completely sure.  Anyways, I would use the OpenVMS/VAXH > hobbyist CD that I purchased, except for one big problem.  Any attemptE > of mine to interface this DEC CD-ROM drive to the SCSI bus seems tocH > result in the blowing of fuses that cost $1.30 each time.  I'd like toI > avoid interfacing anything to the machine besides the drives already in D > it, so tape install would be ideal.  The machine's previous OS wasE > VAX/VMS 5.5-2.  Any version from that or newer would be acceptable.@% > I'll pay for the tape and shipping.s  A I'm fairly sure I have everything (for VAX) from 5.4-2 thru V7.2.i   Whaddaya want?   --   David J. Dachtera, dba DJE Systems3 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/-  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.1   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 19:31:50 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)) Subject: Re: OpenVMS UK (London) Roadtripp6 Message-ID: <8t4o36$bfk$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Z In article <39f58081.1287175730@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:A :On 23 Oct 2000 14:28:52 GMT, hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoffs :Hoffman) wrote: :eH :>  Members of Compaq OpenVMS Engineering will be in London for OpenVMS  :>  technical presentations: :>$ :>    Enterprise House, High Holborn :>    Tuesday, 31-Oct-2000 :> ..C :I'm a bit confused: The Decus UK Newsletter lists 31st Oct and 1stiC :November but the included fax back form confirms 1st November. AreeB :there two distinct days with the second talking about the DII COEF :initiative as the paper docs seem to suggest or has the schedule justG :been completely re-jigged. More confusingly the UK DECUS web site onlyk :lists the 31st.  I   The OpenVMS technical presentations are scheduled for 31-Oct-2000, and DH   the OpenVMS DII COE sessions are on 1-Nov-2000.  The various sessions 6   that will be presented on 31-Oct-200 are listed at:   %     http://www.decus.co.uk/VMS010.htm   I   This is scheduling is based on my understanding from various email, andoJ   is definitely not particularly clear from the web pages.  (I have passedH   some feedback back to the folks that are responsible for the website.)  I   As I was previously scheduled for a supporting role for the 1-Nov-2000 dG   DII COE sessions, I was asked to present a series of general OpenVMS  $   technical sessions on 31-Oct-2000.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:40:50 +0100t  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com) Subject: Re: OpenVMS UK (London) RoadtripPH Message-ID: <OFA18BFBE4.2DA6B288-ON80256982.0081A6E6@qedi.quintiles.com>  D But why does the biography at the end make a point of "bad puns"?  IG thought it was part of every VMS person that you had a strange sense of F humour and that you had a reputation for bad jokes?  What else are youI going to do whilst you're waiting all that time for your well behaved VMS(H system to need it's (metaphorical) nose wiped - and the person that says6 "Play with your VMS balls" buys the first round!!!!!!!   Hoff wrote :K >>>  The OpenVMS technical presentations are scheduled for 31-Oct-2000, andnG   the OpenVMS DII COE sessions are on 1-Nov-2000.  The various sessionsn5   that will be presented on 31-Oct-200 are listed at:M  %     http://www.decus.co.uk/VMS010.htme  I   This is scheduling is based on my understanding from various email, andiJ   is definitely not particularly clear from the web pages.  (I have passedH   some feedback back to the folks that are responsible for the website.)  H   As I was previously scheduled for a supporting role for the 1-Nov-2000F   DII COE sessions, I was asked to present a series of general OpenVMS'   technical sessions on 31-Oct-2000.<<<    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:42:17 -0400e& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>) Subject: Re: Oracle 7 and 8i on same box?e7 Message-ID: <UtmJ5.4108$eE2.163737@weber.videotron.net>   1 I am running both 7334 and 8051 on the same node.h  K For this you only need the TNS listener in one Oracle version. I use the V8eD listener to receive connect requests for all databases, whatever theJ version. Just don't start the V7 listener, and keep all the instance names in the V8 listener.ora. B You still need the 2 BEQ listeners running (one for 7, one for 8).  H I dropped my system logical name ORA_ROOT - just for safety - and am nowJ making sure all the procedures or login.com define it either explicitly or# by running the correct ORAUSER.COM.t   All works like a charm.u  K Only problem, the MIG utility never worked for me. I have to EXP/IMP all ofaH my databases and that sucks. Actually testing this process at this time.I Hope it works out better for you! Oracle could reproduce the problem, butC not fix/workaround it.   Syltremo  1 "Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com" - <jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil> wrote in messagee* news:00102411213572@beast.dtsw.army.mil... > Hello, >tI > We are writing a new version of our OpenVMS Alpha based billing system. F > The current system uses Oracle 7.3.4.4, while we are writing the new > version to use Oracle 8i.- >-K > Has anyone looked into running two databases using two versions of Oracle 5 > on the same OpenVMS machine? What were the results?  > G > Is anyone actually running two databases using two versions of Oracle  > on the same OpenVMS machine? >pB > Any personal experience or appropriate URLs will be appreciated! > ( > Thank you very much for the help,   Ed >m< > Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com7 > TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919a= > 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919M7 > Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094c >o   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:00:38 -0400r4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com> Subject: RE: PDF under OpenVMSJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D8505668521@nts0147.beehive.com>  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03DE4.538100D8. Content-Type: text/plain;i 	charset="iso-8859-1"s+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   F Unless you emulated the hardware of a 386 machine (like softpc does) = and I install a legal copy of windows on the system, old Billy Boy would have =d your@ guts for garters for reverse engineering one of his products :-)    ) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bre, [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br] Sent: October 24, 2000 2:50 PM To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.come Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS    G If there=B4s something like "Windows" running under OVMS there=B4s no =  need ofb X-Windows ! H If a "Windows"  can emulate VMS why not  OpenVMS emulating a "Windows" = :-)      Regards,   FC.   ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03DE4.538100D8d Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1" + Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable?  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">  <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =e charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2651.65"> $ <TITLE>RE: PDF under OpenVMS</TITLE> </HEAD>A <BODY>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Unless you emulated the hardware of a 386 machine =fG (like softpc does) and install a legal copy of windows on the system, =uH old Billy Boy would have your guts for garters for reverse engineering =" one of his products :-)</FONT></P> <BR>  B <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>[<A =I HREF=3D"mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br">mailto:fabio_compaq@= " ep-bc.petrobras.com.br</A>]</FONT>8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: October 24, 2000 2:50 PM</FONT>3 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com</FONT>s8 <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS</FONT> </P> <BR>  C <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If there=B4s something like &quot;Windows&quot; =f. running under OVMS there=B4s no need of</FONT>% <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>X-Windows !</FONT>cG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>If a &quot;Windows&quot;&nbsp; can emulate VMS why =i< not&nbsp; OpenVMS emulating a &quot;Windows&quot; :-)</FONT> </P> <BR>  ! <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Regards,</FONT>l </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>FC.</FONT> </P>   </BODY>  </HTML>t) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03DE4.538100D8--g   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 19:01:42 GMTn= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)  Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS0 Message-ID: <009F2153.C86D9C05@SendSpamHere.ORG>  x In article <OF25BC350F.43FE9CF3-ON83256982.00674E44@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:I >If there=B4s something like "Windows" running under OVMS there=B4s no n=h >eed ofu >X-Windows !I >If a "Windows"  can emulate VMS why not  OpenVMS emulating a "Windows" =u >:-)  0 It can!  Compile the following code and link it.  , $ MACRO/OBJECT=WINDOWS_NT_EMUL.OBJ SYS$INPUT	 	$PDSCDEFw 	.ENTRY	WINNT_EMUL,0 	$CMKRNL_S WINNT_EMUL_Ka 	RET 	.ENTRY	WINNT_EMUL_K,0 	MOVAB	G^AMAC$EMUL_CALL,R0 	CLRL	@PDSC$Q_ENTRY(R0)i 	RET 	.END	WINNT_EMUL ^ZI $ LINK/EXECUTABLE=SYS$SYSTEM:/NOTRACEBACK/NOSYSLIB/SYSEXE WINDOWS_NT_EMULm    0 Then add the following to your SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM   $ MCR WINDOWS_NT_EMUL0    I If you're lucky enough to have a graphics card such as the Number 9 card,dJ the blue color this code evokes should looks very similar to your beloved I Weendoze and it will make your Alpha perform with almost the same uptime 8 as a Weendoze box.     --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM             hO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.G   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:19:34 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS( Message-ID: <39F5D2B1.D727113D@ohio.edu>  g Is it perhaps a Steve conspiracy?  Doesn't the forthcoming Mac OS X use Adobe technology even more thanK prior versions?@  #                                 RDPt    & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:  f > In article <8t4e7a$2g43$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>, "Fred Kleinsorge" <kleinsorge@star.zko.dec.com> writes:L > >I know this is hard for people to accept - but we have no choice.  It hasO > >already been done on Tru64 UNIX, and we have committed to Adobe to remove itrO > >from OpenVMS in all future releases.  Our hands are completely tied on this, O > >we have no choice in the matter.  It is not simply a matter of support (thataH > >reference was in regard to prior versions of VMS/Motif already in theK > >field), we no longer have the right to continue shipping the proprietaryeL > >Adobe software  in new versions.  It is not a VMS conspiracy, as I said -$ > >this also happened to Tru64 UNIX. > ' > No but perhaps a Billy conspiracy? ;)  >-M > I can see this cutting into the 'update' revenues for VMS.  I know now thatsL > I will not be updating DECwindows on my boxes.  You might as well stop any > DECwindows development now.  >X > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMT > Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.i   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:04:19 -0400 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>s Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS" Message-ID: <39f5eab9@news.si.com>  L >Has DPS been incorporated in any other X servers outside of Compaq?  If so,  >is DPS being yanked there also?  C One of the most common PC-based X servers, eXceed, from Hummingbirda" Communications, has never had DPS. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comrA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comt= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventi< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:20:42 -0500p/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>k Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMSO Message-ID: <97CF94700E0155BA.49C65671CED38658.CBAB9402D7FB5ADD@lp.airnews.net>t   "Bart Z. Lederman" wrote:  >  > In article <381D0079763CB7C3.39B1E1CD3E96B16F.1CDA61D37A9CBCF3@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:- > >-J > >As I understand it, Adobe's official PDF reader for VMS is the Java PDF
 > >reader. > > > As I understand it, there is no official PDF reader for VMS.> > There is nothing on the Adobe web site which states that the; > Java-based PDF viewer is "official" or supported by Adober > on any platform. > ? > I would be very interested if anyone has a statement directly # > from Adobe that states otherwise.d   Hmmm...  You may be right.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------y$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com t   Fax: 817-237-3074e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:27:09 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS6 Message-ID: <hVoJ5.4605$Qz2.95882@typhoon.aracnet.com>  , Richard D. Piccard <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote:J > Is it perhaps a Steve conspiracy?  Doesn't the forthcoming Mac OS X use 1 > Adobe technology even more than prior versions?h >p% >                                 RDPe  F Display Postscript has even been removed from MacOS X.  However, IIRC,E they've worked with Adobe for some kind of 'Display PDF' replacement.s   			Zane$   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 23:36:28 -0400s5 From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@onay-amspay.mail.com>  Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <39F61CFC.5BCB2C0E@onay-amspay.mail.com>  D I haven't seen a lot of details about MacOS X.  In what I have seen,  9    http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/graphics.htmlE.    http://www.apple.com/macosx/beta/start.html  > Apple says that the new graphics system is "Based" on PDF withI "PostScript-strength graphics".  I haven't read anything that says DPS is G used in the mechanism of the displaying of PDF entities.  It just seemsiJ possible (darn likely to me) that, given the close relationship of PDF andK PostScript, DPS or something derived from it is used as part of the display0 process.   Zane H. Healy wrote: > . > Richard D. Piccard <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote:K > > Is it perhaps a Steve conspiracy?  Doesn't the forthcoming Mac OS X usea3 > > Adobe technology even more than prior versions?  > >c' > >                                 RDP  > H > Display Postscript has even been removed from MacOS X.  However, IIRC,G > they've worked with Adobe for some kind of 'Display PDF' replacement.d >  >                         Zane   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:06:18 -0400t5 From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@onay-amspay.mail.com>  Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS4 Message-ID: <39F623FA.1DC2362F@onay-amspay.mail.com>  J I'm really curious to know if DPS was used in X servers from Sun, HP, IBM,K or SGI and if they are losing it also.  It just seems so spectacularly poor I that Adobe thinks that they need to pull the plug on this.  Like there iseK really any kind of a threat to them if DPS remains in some old (forgive the G expression) moldering X server running on a few VMS workstations.  FromlJ what I've heard about Adobe though, it isn't surprising at all.  They haveI come up with some great ideas but are totally self-centered to an extremeVJ with how they handle them.  I'm a fan of Apple but unfortunately that sameH description in many cases fits them all too well also.  It's as if AppleK and/or Adobe just wants to be able to make the marketing statement that thevJ font and graphics resizing ability of MacOS X is completely unique and not available anywhere else.  H This brings up a interesting parallel.  The number of companies that fitI the description of having great ideas and products but unpopular business ( practices (not in any particular order):  
    o Adobe
    o Apple    o CAa    o Compaq/Digitali    o Oracle,     Brian Tillman wrote: > N > >Has DPS been incorporated in any other X servers outside of Compaq?  If so," > >is DPS being yanked there also? > E > One of the most common PC-based X servers, eXceed, from Hummingbirde$ > Communications, has never had DPS. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comdC > Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com-? > 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventm> > Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@": >        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:40:57 GMTm2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com> Subject: Re: PF keys6 Message-ID: <t_pJ5.5122$Qz2.97350@typhoon.aracnet.com>  $ Tom DeLuca <tomdel@erols.com> wrote:3 > Xterm is good but how to emulate the VT keyboard?r  F I got the following shell script from this newsgroup (I forget who theJ author is).  It works great for me, and lets the keypad function properly.  ( ftp://zane.brouhaha.com/pub/vms/vt100.sh   		Zane   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 02:40:32 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: popquestion* Message-ID: <39f62c00$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  n In article <Y43J5.5218$SF5.107912@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes:! >is the pop server multithreaded?d   What POP server ?  Yes, it is !   -- -< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-8881< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 21:27:39 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: Protect yourself and your computer get...6 Message-ID: <8t4usb$cn6$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  8 In article <P4kJ5.4475$mf1.36938@xxx.xxx.xxx>, "Merlin"  <merlin@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> spammed:   L : When you access the Internet, your computer keeps permanent hidden recordsD : of your activity for months or years, including web sites visited,I : documents, pictures, videos and sounds. This is a serious threat to thelH : legitimate surfer's privacy. Evidence Eliminator is a solution to thisI : problem. It analyzes and protects your whole hard drive and defeats allr# : known Forensic Analysis Software.p  A   Merlin, thanks for the best chuckle I've seen in quite a while.n  I   If I was worried about this stuff -- and if I even thought there was a aF   remote chance that this "hackage" would work on OpenVMS -- and if I J   thought that OpenVMS and the associated web browsers and auditing tools N   kept these records, and these can be easily managed and deleted as required K   -- there's no way that I'd download and run a tool that was deliberately n6   looking through my system for sensitive information.  F   Sheesh, I'm not _that_ stupid.  Of course, no one ever went broke...  H   As for other activity monitors that this tool cannot access and cannotA   defend against, there exists a variety of passive matching and aI   identification that is possible within and across websites -- having a tG   proxy server does help a little here, but not much -- and then there lE   are network monitors and the newsgroup archiving tools and gatewayssF   and even the implications of simple things like proper local system H   backups.  And I won't even get into the implications and repercussions*   of the US Government's "Carnivore" tool.  K   That said, and to maintain a level of OpenVMS content in this reply (and UJ   to stay on-topic with the spam :-), you can delete the cookie files and M   the history logs and the caches from the Netscape directories quite easily eL   -- I peruse through the cookie file regularly to clean up cookies I don't K   want, and I regularly replace the HISTORY.DB with a stub for performance tF   reasons.  Everything in the [.CACHE] directory can be deleted, too,    including the index.db file.  N   The old security auditing and accounting and operator files can be recycled K   for new versions periodically, and old versions can be erased as part of nK   the deletion processing.  (Or you can set highwater marking and/or erase h   on delete on these files.)  L   I seriously doubt that Merlin's "tool" manage any of this for your OpenVMS	   system.a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 16:14:31 -07001! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com 6 Subject: Re: Protect yourself and your computer get...D Message-ID: <OF7CC18D57.E61409EA-ON88256982.007CD5E2@foundation.com>  G Speaking as a fully paid up member of the paranoid sumbich's society, I E don't think that's what he's talking about. I think he's referring to H "shredding" deleted cache files so they can't be recovered even if theirJ blocks haven't been re-used yet. IIRC VMS can do this out of the box. It'sC not just criminals who might need something like this. Imagine, forlJ example, an abused child or battered wife using their abuser's computer to seek help on the net.   I I don't go to these lengths - disabled Java/Javascript/cookies, a two-way2J stealth firewall and no personal details stored in the browser are enough.D (You'd be /amazed/ how many port-scanning hack attacks that firewall	 catches.)-   Shane-          F hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) on 10/24/2000 02:27:39 PM  / Please respond to hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospams   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com0 cc:9  7 Subject:  Re: Protect yourself and your computer get...       7 In article <P4kJ5.4475$mf1.36938@xxx.xxx.xxx>, "Merlin", <merlin@xxxxxxxxx.xxx> spammed:n  D : When you access the Internet, your computer keeps permanent hidden recordsaD : of your activity for months or years, including web sites visited,I : documents, pictures, videos and sounds. This is a serious threat to the)H : legitimate surfer's privacy. Evidence Eliminator is a solution to thisI : problem. It analyzes and protects your whole hard drive and defeats allc# : known Forensic Analysis Software.p  A   Merlin, thanks for the best chuckle I've seen in quite a while.   H   If I was worried about this stuff -- and if I even thought there was aE   remote chance that this "hackage" would work on OpenVMS -- and if ItI   thought that OpenVMS and the associated web browsers and auditing tools D   kept these records, and these can be easily managed and deleted as requiredJ   -- there's no way that I'd download and run a tool that was deliberately6   looking through my system for sensitive information.  F   Sheesh, I'm not _that_ stupid.  Of course, no one ever went broke...  H   As for other activity monitors that this tool cannot access and cannot@   defend against, there exists a variety of passive matching andH   identification that is possible within and across websites -- having aF   proxy server does help a little here, but not much -- and then thereE   are network monitors and the newsgroup archiving tools and gateways E   and even the implications of simple things like proper local system=H   backups.  And I won't even get into the implications and repercussions*   of the US Government's "Carnivore" tool.  J   That said, and to maintain a level of OpenVMS content in this reply (andI   to stay on-topic with the spam :-), you can delete the cookie files andSE   the history logs and the caches from the Netscape directories quitev easilyK   -- I peruse through the cookie file regularly to clean up cookies I don'tBJ   want, and I regularly replace the HISTORY.DB with a stub for performanceE   reasons.  Everything in the [.CACHE] directory can be deleted, too,n   including the index.db file.  D   The old security auditing and accounting and operator files can be recycledJ   for new versions periodically, and old versions can be erased as part ofJ   the deletion processing.  (Or you can set highwater marking and/or erase   on delete on these files.)  D   I seriously doubt that Merlin's "tool" manage any of this for your OpenVMS4	   system.m  2  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------O/    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringr hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 22:45:40 GMTp* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers) Message-ID: <8t53ei$vkb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  6 In article <8t23gl$pft$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,&   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: > G > In article <8t1ton$ano$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-N deja.com> writes:$G > :Suppose your queueing system entry numbers currently range from 1 toCH > :1000. If all 1000 of them are in use, and another job is submitted to@ > :the queueing system, the system expands the range, to 1-2000,   [stuff omitted]o  ? >   Treat it as an opaque longword, and all will be well.  Makeu assumptionsuD >   on the entry allocation sequence and/or the queue file expansion scheme >   at your peril.  C Thanks for the answer and thanks for the warning. However, I didn'tpD mean to imply that I was making any such assumptions except "for theF sake of argument"; I just didn't know how else to word my question. OnF restrospect, I now realize that I could have probably omitted my first paragraph and just asked,G  F "Is the following scenario possible?: You run SHOW ENTRY SOME_JOB, andE unbeknownst to you the job finishes and another user starts a job andrC that job gets the same entry number that SOME_JOB had, then you run G DELETE/ENTRY entry-number (with the entry number obtained from the SHOWeC ENTRY SOME_JOB output), thereby deleting the wrong job! (This wouldDD well be likely if the queueing system expanded its range of possible= entry numbers only when each and every last one was in use.)"k  E I am glad to see that VMS makes this all but impossible and apologizeh6 for not being more clear the first time. Thanks again.   [remainder omitted]e   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)  dellnet.comr    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 23:41:23 GMT* From: bleau@umtof.umd.edu (Lawrence Bleau)> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers) Message-ID: <8t56n3$3nn$1@hecate.umd.edu>s  V In article <8t1ton$ano$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> writes: >Hello,U >.E >Suppose your queueing system entry numbers currently range from 1 tot >1000.   [snip]E >All 1000 numbers are in use. The range is still 1 thru 1000. You runiC >SHOW ENTRY SOME_JOB and get output that gives the entry number andeD >shows that it is executing. You then decide that you want to deleteC >this job. But unbeknownst to you, it finishes before you enter theeA >appropriate DELETE/ENTRY command. Meanwhile, another user starts=? >another job that gets the same entry number. Then you run yourc/ >DELETE/ENTRY command and delete the wrong job!y  J Others have answered this question in various ways.  I'll mention one moreN reason this is unlikely to happen that has not been mentioned: privilege.  YouI mention, in your scenerio, that "another user" starts another job that isnN assigned the now-unused entry number.  Usually other users run under differentI usernames and UICs.  DELETE/ENTRY will not allow you to delete the job of O another user / UIC *unless* you have OPER privilege.  So, in your scenerio, the-: new job would remain, and you'd get an error message like:  ( %DELETE-E-NOTDELETED, error deleting nnnC -JBC-E-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or queue protection violationc  N Now, if all your users have OPER priv, all bets are off, and you're asking for trouble.  Not recommended,   Lawrence Bleau University of Maryland" Physics Dept., Space Physics Group 301-405-6223 bleau@umtof.umd.edum   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 00:49:43 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)6 Subject: Re: RSH Problem - Can someone try this for me6 Message-ID: <8t5an7$eqm$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G In article <8t4a8j$8qp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, thefantom@my-deja.com writes:7A :Thanks Mr Hoffman, the time you spent doing the research is much H :appriciated. I would like to send your findings to Microsoft but I fellB :they would not have a clue on what the solution should be. I haveG :informed 'The Wizard' on the compaq site but he has not responded yet.i  G   As I mentioned in my earlier posting, a protocol trace has identified"K   this rather odd behaviour in the Microsoft rexec client.  Not in OpenVMS.n  G   I would tend to expect similar odd behaviour with the Microsoft rexecrK   client interoperating with most any rexec server that might be available -K   on any platform (after a four-minute wait, of course), possibly also eveno<   including interoperations with the Microsoft rexec server.  L   Armed with a protocol tracing tool and the rexec protocol specifications, I   the fix that is apparently needed in the Microsoft rexec client should uK   (hopefully) be fairly obvious.  This problem is quite easy to reproduce, e   after all.  I   The OpenVMS Wizard will very likely request that you contact the folks  I   at Microsoft Customer Support, and report this rather odd rexec client rL   behaviour to them.  (I would tend to assume that most any support channel H   into Compaq OpenVMS Engineering and/or into Compaq TCP/IP Engineering /   will provide you with a similar answer, too.)t  D :I run a program instead of the WAIT. The WAIT is really there as an :example of the problem.  H   The particular command does not appear to matter, based on what I see.  B :Maybe the solution is to download a third party version of RSH or+ :REXEC, but I can't find any FREE versions.a  K   I do not know if an option to replace the rexec client will resolve this  H   problem.  Nor am I particularly familiar with available (commercial orI   free) replacement options.  Well, you could load Linux onto the box andvH   use the rexec client on that. :-)  Further, the OpenVMS newsgroups areI   probably not the best spot to look for PC networking software/freeware.v    N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 21:48:13 -0400y  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> Subject: Re: Shared data. Message-ID: <1001024214356.2092A@Ives.egh.com>  2 On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 gboado@nahuelsat.com.ar wrote:  G > I am trying to rewrite the I/O modules of an application which sharesdI > data through a shared image. I haven't the source code, but running the H > DISM32 tool I could analyze the assembly language generated by the DECH > fortran compiler. How could I code in FORTRAN the access to this data?H > (my FORTRAN knowledge is almost NIL). I tried with a COMMON block, butE > it was compiled as static local data (I analyzed the code generated J > using DISM32). I am running everything on a Vaxstation with OpenVMS 5.5.' > Thank you very much for your support.h  F I'm not sure with Fortran, but in BASIC we use COMMONs and then changeF the .psect attributes to "shr" in a linker options file.  For example, the full options are:i  F psect_attr=foo_status,     long,pic,ovr,rel,gbl,shr,noexe,rd,wrt,novec  + where "foo_status" is the name of a common.    -- m John Santos  Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:53:38 -0000i. From: shawbrow@delilah.cisco.com (Shawn Brown)' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughert- Message-ID: <972438729.683982@sj-nntpcache-5>a  ) In article <8t22fk$f71$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, - Jordan Henderson  <jordan@my-deja.com> wrote:  >wB >But, we've been told that you can patch Solaris with no downtime,) >just like you can with OpenVMS clusters.n  C Sure you can.  You can patch a suncluster or a vcs cluster by doingn rolling upgrades.  La de da.  % >What is it that you are doing wrong?i  D Don't be a jackass.  Apparently that's fairly difficult for you, but lets try.  OK?  B I actually *like* openvms.  I run it as a hobbyist because it's anD interesting operating system.  And as far as clusters go, openvms isC king, no doubt.  I was simply providing anecdotal evidence contraryiB to the original posters claim of instability on Sun.  We maintain 2 really nice uptimes with our Sun boxes, thank you.  F I would love to run openvms in production.  But it's a shame that very) few people are developing for it anymore.R   Shawnt   --G Shawn Brown | shawnb@cisco.com | +1 919 392 7481 | http://www.cisco.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:45:13 +0200n0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>1 Subject: System & Network (???) node Mgt trainingh* Message-ID: <39F67368.E2BDAE81@Easynet.fr>  B I'm attending this week an update of my "knowledge" on SysMgt withD OpenVMS 7 in Paris. GKN received the 6.2 training stuff from COMPAQ.  G Can you imagine the face of the students when they tried to ncp cop kno. nod from FRED to both ???/  # The training is more that US$ 2000.-  * (no flame, no pun, no nothing, just fact).   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:41:32 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>& Subject: Re: TCP/IP and load balancing* Message-ID: <39F6728C.3FE749C1@Easynet.fr>   SysAdmin wrote:e >  > I don't understand.i  N Don't worry. I asked two questions here on TCP/IP for OpenVMS and no answer...   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:07:27 -04004! From: "OHM" <ohm62@SFhotmail.com>n% Subject: Re: User Guide for Vax (VMS)t* Message-ID: <8t4ij0$d1q2@usilsuna.cai.com>  H SunOS has DECnet as an add-on.  That used to be called Sunlink/DNI years ago.  Maybe still is...r       -- Olivier.z   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 02:44:54 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: Very long filenames in VMSTAR* Message-ID: <39f62d06$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  W In article <39f5ac9a$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) writes:md >In article <39EB0D45.30DB34E5@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl>, Jouk Jansen <joukj@hrem.stm.tudelft.nl> writes: >>Oswald Knoppers wrote: >>> Jouk Jansen wrote:F >>> > Trying to unpack the tar-ball of StarOffice, I got an error from >>> > VMSTAR-3.3-9:r >>> > tar: error creatingeB >>> > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS6 >>> > ]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL >>> > tar: error writing file > >>> > [JOUKJ.PUBLIC.OPENOFFICE.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADD: >>> > RESS]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL >>> 0 >>> I think you are one directory level to deep. >>> 
 >>> Oswald3 >>Tried it 2 levels higher but I'm getting the sames >>tar: error creating > >>[JOUKJ.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS]ADDRESSBOOKSOURCE  >>SIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL >>tar: error writing files: >>[JOUKJ.OO_605_SRC.API.COM.SUN.STAR.ADDRESS]ADDRESSBOOKSO$ >>URCESIMPLEDATABASEFIELDMAPPING.IDL >>G >>This is what I expected since the depth of directories should be much  >>more on VMS7.2-1.n > J >No. ODS-2 keeps the same. Your dirlevel is too deep and the filenames areI >too long for ODS-2. What OpenVMS Alpha V7.2[xxx] introduced is ODS-5 anda1 >as already written in this thread will help you.r* >ODS-2 can't help you, not even on V7.2-1.   As someone already pointed out:t  @ You can create deeper directories on OpenVMS Alpha V7.2* and up,? but not on VAX. I was so far not aware of changes in this area.   ? I was aware only of ODS-5 (Alpha only) and the "BITMAP feature"aA of ODS-2A (VAX and Alpha). Maybe the RMS changes in OpenVMS Alphan$ for ODS-5 have this (side-)effect...   -- c< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 02:04:59 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)F Subject: Re: What connector to use to interconnect X.25 and DECNet V ?* Message-ID: <39f623ab$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  k In article <8435797639.20001019180529@ncc.volga.ru>, Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru> writes:d6 >We are looking for a way to change our current setup: >   * >                                    Alpha5 >   DECNIS|       GAP      +------------------------+o5 >   or    |----------------|X.25 client + DECNet IV |o5 >   DEMSA |                +------------------------+m >  >to something like:-) >                                   Alpha 8 > connector|      LLC2     +---------------------------+8 >   CISCO? |---------------|X.25 for VMS/AXP + DECNet V|8 >          |               +---------------------------+ >i= >The last setup is pretty new for us. Could you recommend any B >connector node and share your expirience with this configuration?   Last I looked:  A GAP is free of charge and is part of DECnet-Plus on VAX (only !!)sE LLC2 is $$$$ extra license (P.S.I.) and is part of DECnet-Plus on VAXo< but is an addon on Alpha (X.25 for OpenVMS Alpha in additionA to DECnet-Plus or the retired X.25 Client for OpenVMS in additions to DECnet-Phase4).  B So, you are moving the cost of the router into the OpenVMS system.D Better keep the DECnis (and some spareparts from the used market) or drop x.25 (for VMS) also.g   just my 0.02   -- h< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 18:56:50 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?, Message-ID: <8t4m1i$8h6@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  g In article <sULDLS6Tp$Do@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:u >h >David-h > C >I think to make this argument effectively it would be necessary tohB >cite the precise URL where CalTech gives away the course materialI >for those people who do not want to sign up for those expensive classes.e  9 The one I give occasionally isn't for credit but it's at:i  G   http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/www/seqanalysis/maindoc_seq_course.htmlh  J Most classes now put their homework  handouts (and sometimes tests) on webH sites.  It's not uncommon to find the lecture notes there as well.  I'veE occasionally seen protected pages but usually anybody can access thisnK material.  The one thing they can't do over the web is get the homework or g
 tests graded.    David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edua? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech r   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 19:18:46 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?, Message-ID: <8t4nam$8h6@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <rdeininger-2410001304290001@user-2ive7lp.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:mQ >In article <8t480l$gi@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote:l >tO >> What I find annoying is that they make all these claims about how they test ,J >> the drives etc, and yet there is no program or procedure provided that G >> would let an end user perform an equivalent test.   Presumably this tL >> software exists - I can't imagine the engineers are manually shifting theK >> logic levels with jumpers - and it would be a very useful thing to have.  >>   >> That is:l >> h >> 1.  shut down' >> 2.  plug in SCSI drive (unqualified)t
 >> 3.  rebootA* >> 4.  $ddd:==$SYS$SYSTEM:DRIVEQUALIFY.exe! >>     $ddd/test=24:00:00 DKB200:l >> uK >> If it passes the test the user accepts it, if it fails, he tries anothereI >> brand.  Plus if they did provide this it would become trivial for diski7 >> manufacturers to market drives as being "VMS ready".e >>  I >> That we don't have this is a pretty clear indication that it's the 3X nM >> price markup, rather than the disk reliability, which is being protected. p > H >You think that's all the Compaq engineers do to qualify a device?  JustJ >grab a few of each brand from the supermarket, and plug each one into theK >test-O-matic?  Then order a batch of the one that works best, and print up45 >new sticky labels while waiting for them to arrive?    V According to Glen (private email) they go completely nuts with it, using special test J hardware, and monitoring the device when other devices make errors on the K bus.  None of which negates the argument that there should be a simple way  J to test SCSI disks on the end user's system.  And if such a test requires H that all devices on a bus be tested at once, that's fine too.  This all J comes down to levels of confidence.  If I had unlimited resources then I'dK buy the Q drives and be done with it.  Not having that option, I'd at leastlK like a supported way to bang on the disks of a new system really hard for ahK couple of days to see if any failures occur.   That would be an improvementnJ over what we have now, where the best you can do is take the word of a VMSI vendor that some particular class of disks works ok, and then find out tooG your sorrow a month later that rev .21 of the disk firmware causes somelI rare glitch.  A couple of days of intensive testing could root many (not l% all) of these sorts of problems out. E  N >What good is the test of DKB200 if nothing else is happening on the SCSI bus?  G It's perfectly adequate if there are not, and never will be, any other uL devices on the bus.  That's pretty common on workstations and small servers.   > A >Heck, I don't even think your step 2 is realistic!  What kind ofl7 >cable/termination configuration are you testing with? o  E The ones which will be used with the drive in the production system.  G Example, you buy a DS10 and three IBM DNES-318350W disks, along with anoF Intraserver controller.  (That happens to be what's in the machine I'mI using now.)  The vendor said they'd work ok, and it's been a year without J any disk errors, so they appear to have been correct.  Still, I would haveG been much happier had the vendor had this test program available to runm" during the burn in of the system.   L Finally, does the Q check all of its drives this thoroughly?  For the price G they should, but I suspect that they beat up on early samples, get the aL firmware right, and then just spot check the occasional drive.  So when the G occasional bad unit shows up (bad components, cracked solder joint, or rH whatever), where are you?  The Q says it will work right, but it fails aK few months in.  Being able to run the test I propose would (possibly) have nD detected such a bad drive before the failure on a production system.  > >A drive that passes your test on machine A might well fail on+ >machine B, running all the same software.    J Maybe so.  But if the drives going to be really erratic on the new system I the diagnostics should find that in a day or two of testing.  Better theni; than a month later when you were actively using the system.l   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edue? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech h   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 18:31:47 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)H Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?. Message-ID: <8t4kij$9m8$1@info.service.rug.nl>   In article <rdeininger-2410001310490001@user-2ive7lp.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:s  K > In article <8t3vmm$3h8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote:v > 1 > > Bob and Alice are students at a university.  r > B > Aren't Bob and Alice each supposed to get their own educational > > license, and install it where ever they need it?  Silly and ' > inconvenient, but not insurmountable.a  I Possibility one:  Each person with a license has a machine of their own. aI Obviously not the way to go, since each user will have to manage his own 5D machine.  Possibility two:  Each person can install his single-user E license ON THE SAME MACHINE AS ANOTHER USER.  Is this really what is iB meant?  If so, this should be spelled out; discussion here in the H newsgroup has shown that, up until now, NO-ONE hase interpreted it this @ way.  Also, what's the point as opposed to a multi-user license?   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 18:09:11 GMTy- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>eH Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?( Message-ID: <39F5D042.24DDAB37@ohio.edu>  q BUT, it IS an INsurmountable obstacle if only one them is ready, willing, and able to function as system manager.-  3                                                 RDPe   Robert Deininger wrote:n  K > In article <8t3vmm$3h8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote:o > / > > Bob and Alice are students at a university.s >  > Aren't Bob and Alice each supposed to get their own educational license, and install it where ever they need it?  Silly and inconvenient, but not insurmountable.. >  > -- > Robert Deininger > rdeininger@mindspring.comc   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------   Date: 24 Oct 2000 20:43:32 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) H Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?+ Message-ID: <8t4s9k$a6h$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>p  L In article <rdeininger-2410001310490001@user-2ive7lp.dialup.mindspring.com>,5  rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:eL |> In article <8t3vmm$3h8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote: |>  2 |> > Bob and Alice are students at a university.   |> nK |> Aren't Bob and Alice each supposed to get their own educational license,MK |> and install it where ever they need it?  Silly and inconvenient, but notw |> insurmountable.  A The part I seem to have missed is the incentive.  Considering how-C little they could actually do with it why would a starving graduatedA student even bother with VMS??  Administering VMS machines may be B interesting, but most students have better things to do with theirA time and if they are also married with a family like Bob, well, I  hope you get the picture.n   bill   --  J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 20:23:42 -0500T7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>,H Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?- Message-ID: <39F6361E.6FADBBE0@earthlink.net>    Phillip Helbig wrote:  [snip]  = Someone please correct me - I'm shooting from the hip here...a  G My understanding very likely does not reflect reality, but if not maybeh
 it should:  F The campus is covered once it registers. This SHOULD cover the OpenVMSG Base license. (How do we handle multiple machines/clusters per campus?)u  @ Each student registers using their own school's id. Each studentG receives their own user license. This SHOULD be added to the collectivea+ number of users allowed per system/cluster.h  @ I doubt it actually works that way, but that would be good, IMO.  G Now, what about individual student machines? How 'bout a variant called< a "student license".  E I've not heard any details of this plan, but if I had done it, that's  what I would have done...h  8 Your mileage (and Compaq's) will vary greatly, I'm sure.   -- s David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemss http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:15:20 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)H Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2510000015200001@user-2ive7ej.dialup.mindspring.com>  @ In article <39F5D042.24DDAB37@ohio.edu>, piccard@ohio.edu wrote:  s > BUT, it IS an INsurmountable obstacle if only one them is ready, willing, and able to function as system manager.i > 5 >                                                 RDPn  > You think Alice is too aloof to install Bob's license for him?  8 I agree, if this is what is required, it's really silly.   -- P Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.comm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 00:11:39 -0400 5 From: John Johnstone <jj_usenet@onay-amspay.mail.com>  Subject: Re: X Desktop4 Message-ID: <39F6253B.2F8D943C@onay-amspay.mail.com>  F I don't remember where I got this but this is a command file that I'veB used.  I think I also couldn't use the approach of running the CDE dtsession directly.e  B $! Place this command procedure in SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR] or your ownA $! login directory and pass in the name of this command procedurePG $! to your application startup command line in your xserver application 1 $! startup window.  This file needs (W:RE) privs.M $!3 $ SPAWN/NOWAIT MCR CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[BIN]DTHELLO $ $ @CDE$SYSTEM_DEFAULTS:[BIN]XSESSION $ EXIT     Robert Taylor wrote: > R > I can get the old style session manager working now. I'm happy enough with that. >  [snip]   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.596 ************************