1 INFO-VAX	Wed, 25 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 597       Contents: Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: Compaq & Candle  Re: Compaq & Candle  Re: Compaq & Candle  Re: Compaq & Candle P DCPS licensing and AppleTalk (was Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently need- Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?) - Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?) . Display PostScript DPS (was PDF under OpenVMS)8 Earn $10 For Yourself And $10 For Each Of Your Referrals Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again. Educational licenses3 Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE... % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400  How many files are on my disk?" Re: How many files are on my disk?" Re: How many files are on my disk?" Re: How many files are on my disk?" Re: How many files are on my disk?" Re: How many files are on my disk?" Re: How many files are on my disk?" Re: How many files are on my disk?. How to disable X-session "auto reconnection" ?2 Re: How to disable X-session "auto reconnection" ?2 Re: How to disable X-session "auto reconnection" ?& Re: Inexpensive Laser Printers for VMS RE: Java on Openvms 3 Re: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 6520  Nashuatec & DCPS Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge RE: Need VMS on tape cartridge OpenVMS Technical Resource Kit Re: PDF under OpenVMS  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS) $ Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?- Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed. 1 Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed. 1 Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed. 1 Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed. 1 Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed. 1 Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed. 1 Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed. 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers  Re: Shared data  RE: Sun "uptime" belly laugher, Re: System & Network (???) node Mgt trainingC Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:52:57 -0400 & From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>" Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us2 Message-ID: <8t5vue$42q$1@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>  I There likely will still be User Groups around the world for some time who I choose to use the name "DECUS".  There have been two reactions from other * User Groups using the name DECUS so far...  ) 1) Can we license the Encompass branding?   2 2) We will change our name over our cold dead body  K ...it leads me to believe some percentage of the User Groups will adopt the I name Encompass and some won't.  The US should not being undermining those  who wish to remain as DECUS...       --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================   0 "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> wrote in message news:39f5e3ca@news.si.com... Jeff Killeen writes:  K >If it is a "replace" [i.e., replace comp.org.decus with comp.org.encompass I or comp.org.encompass.us] (which wasn't >my suggestion) then I would drop 	 the ".us"   L Why would you NOT want to replace it?  What advantage would there be to keep comp.org.decus?  --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:41:30 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Compaq & Candle2 Message-ID: <39f6b86e.1367030676@news.newsguy.com>  # On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:57:05 -0200, * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:   >People  >  >Check the link  > X >http://www.candle.com/news_events/press_releases/consulting_services/compaq_080299.html  C "In addition, Compaq will port Candle's Roma BSP to its Tru64 UNIX, / Windows NT/Alpha and OpenVMS operating systems"   A Perhaps someone should tell them it's pretty pointless porting to % Windows NT/Alpha - or is this a typo?     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:44:05 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: Compaq & Candle( Message-ID: <39f6e3a5@news.kapsch.co.at>  Z In article <39f6b86e.1367030676@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:$ >On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:57:05 -0200,+ >fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  >  >>Check the link >>Y >>http://www.candle.com/news_events/press_releases/consulting_services/compaq_080299.html  > D >"In addition, Compaq will port Candle's Roma BSP to its Tru64 UNIX,0 >Windows NT/Alpha and OpenVMS operating systems" > B >Perhaps someone should tell them it's pretty pointless porting to& >Windows NT/Alpha - or is this a typo?  ( No, This announcement is from 2-Aug-1999' (How much of you got trapped by this ?)    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:46:40 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>  Subject: Re: Compaq & Candle( Message-ID: <39F6D62E.9230CE7A@ohio.edu>  X Well, you do have to read the dateline:  Aug. 2, 1999, which is sensibly correlated withX the filename part of the URL.  It is likely that their plans have changed in that regard during the intervening months!  #                                 RDP      Alan Greig wrote:   % > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 15:57:05 -0200, , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > 	 > >People  > >  > >Check the link  > > Z > >http://www.candle.com/news_events/press_releases/consulting_services/compaq_080299.html > E > "In addition, Compaq will port Candle's Roma BSP to its Tru64 UNIX, 1 > Windows NT/Alpha and OpenVMS operating systems"  > C > Perhaps someone should tell them it's pretty pointless porting to ' > Windows NT/Alpha - or is this a typo?  >  > -- > Alan Greig   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:48:22 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)  Subject: Re: Compaq & Candle2 Message-ID: <39f6f24e.1381847111@news.newsguy.com>  6 On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:46:40 GMT, "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> wrote:   Y >Well, you do have to read the dateline:  Aug. 2, 1999, which is sensibly correlated with Y >the filename part of the URL.  It is likely that their plans have changed in that regard  >during the intervening months!   ; Should have spotted this but I just assumed it was some new 7 announcement as a reference to it had just been posted.      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:31:43 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>Y Subject: DCPS licensing and AppleTalk (was Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently need C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-71B847.12314325102000@news.compaq.com>   - In article <8t6t2b$bq2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>,  $ mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu wrote:  E > Yet another piece of the ridiculous licensing conditions you folks  G > need to dispense with - today. It was a nice tool for forcing people  E > to buy those brands of printers, but near as I can tell, Compaq is  F > now completely out of the printer business, and DCPS is back inside E > Compaq. So what possible reason is there or trying to force people  E > to buy Genicom printers or (used) Compaq and Digital printers? And  E > much as they suck recently, HPs are the de facto standard brand of  A > printers, not supporting them at the base level is pretty much  ? > equivalent to the statement "we don't care if you can print."   I Maybe I could have some T-shirts printed up with D-C-P-S on one side and  G "We Don't Care If You Can Print" on the other and give them out at the  G next DECUS, er, next Encompass or whatever gathering.  I still have my  H DCPS "Just Say Print" button so maybe it should be updated with the new  slogan.   E But seriously, we are aware of the incongruity of having a DCPS-OPEN  G license when all new printers are (what we used to call) "third-party"  < printers.  We are aware of it and are working on a solution.  E > The point being that setting up printers via TCP/IP is still a big  F > PITA and it would behoove the Q to do something about resuscitating F > at least the Appletalk transport part of PW/Mac so that we could be H > assured that that method of connection would continue to be available.  E I agree with you.  This has been a favorite topic of mine off and on  G over the last three years.  Perhaps now that I'm back at Compaq things  H could change in this regard, but a lot of people got involved in seeing B if PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh) could survive in one form or G another and the closest we got was the aborted effort by SRI last year   to revive the product.   Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:46:43 +0100 4 From: John Laird <john@laird-towers.freeserve.co.uk>6 Subject: Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)8 Message-ID: <8podvs0rj851is6hnoqdlotrpundleelnm@4ax.com>  7 On 24 Oct 2000 19:53 -0400, hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m wrote:   S >In article <009F2154.2F58D9A7@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG writes...  >:w >>>>In article <8t4btp$qd4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, DAVISM@er6.eng.ohio-state.edu (Michael T. Davis) writes:  >>>>> I >>>>>	Is there a way to determine if there are any timer requests pending  >>>>>given a timer request ID? >:M >>I'm sure there are hundreds of possibilities.  The problem is getting every N >>programmer to agree upon and use one method.  I really believe it would haveM >>been better to make the [reqidt] argument a write only argument returning a 5 >>unique value for the timer request that was queued.  > H >Well, the suggestion in the manual is that providing the same value forK >multiple requests is a provided convenience as it will allow you to cancel F >several timer entries, for a single subsystem, as a group. A solutionL >_could_ have been to special case a timer-id value like 0 or -1 to indicateN >the system to return a unique value in a predefined range (TQE pool address?) >Too late now I suppose.  H Well... it's also passed in by value, making any form of return somewhatD awkward ;-)   I suspect what many programmers most dislike is that aH value of 0 cancels all timers, not just those set up with an id of 0.  IB can't think of many analogous services where it is so easy to undo someone else's work.  0 >Heck, just use a randomized random generator...4 >what are the collision odds in 32 bit space?!   :^)  @ Let's just say my adoption of a static address didn't come about9 entirely by design (!), but it is random enough, I think.    	John  --  
 John Laird   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:45:59 GMT  From: richard_maher@my-deja.com 6 Subject: Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)) Message-ID: <8t6o6l$8pl$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,   G Like Brian, in the following I am assuming that you have control of the E calling code. If this is the case then you may wish to consider going D into an inner mode such as EXEC when calling $setimr and $cantim viaG VMS's User Written System Service (UWSS) mechanism. This will not solve F the problem (in some cases it may even exacerbate it. That is, In EXECD mode your timer requests are now competing with the likes of RMS andE Rdb. But they're probably big enough to look after themselves as long F as you do what John & Hoff suggested and use a local static address asF a request Id? Someone else may have an oppinion as to whether SUPER isC good for anything other than DCL?) but it *will* prevent any Mickey F Mouse USER mode code loaded via lib$find_image_symbol from interfering. with your (the calling code's) timer requests.  D In the EXEC AST just call $dclast/psl$c_user with the address of the= original AST routine and your code will not be subject to any C additional restrictions. Something you may also wish to consider is G setting the file protection on your UWSSs to W:E and not W:RE otherwise G the routines that you are calling could have just as easily been linked G against your UWSSs and go into EXEC just like you did. I can't remember G if I've actually done this (I'd have to check the code) but I have used G a similar mechanism to protect my $qio i/o channels from USER mode/code E interference/stuff-ups. One other thing you should do is have an EXEC E UWSS initialization routine that is called *before* the first call to D lib$fis, that copies any USER mode memory into EXEC mode storage for further protection.   F As everyone else has already pointed out, you are probably looking forG the "Request Id" equivilent of lib$get_ef. I think RMS's event flag use F is fixed and lib$get_ef knows about it (Hein, could tell you) but IIRCE Rdb does call lib$get_ef? but anyway I don't know of any such routine  either.    Hope this helps.   Regards Richard Maher.  C PS. I just that that you should be able to check your $getuai TQELM F against your $getjpi TQELM to see how many timers are outstanding, but what good it does I don't know.   D >Is there a way to determine if there are any timer requests pendingG >given a timer request ID?  For example, say I'm implementing a routine B >to be called after mapping into memory via LIB$FIND_IMAGE_SYMBOL.@ >The routine needs to use a timer to determine if/when a timeoutG >condition occurs.  There's no guarantee that the calling routine/image F >isn't using any timers.  How can my routine set a timer with a uniqueE >timer request ID, such that if cancelled, it won't effect any timers   >from the calling routine/image? >  >Thanks, >Mike     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:48:41 +0100 # From: "Paul Hardy" <Paul@lsl.co.uk> 7 Subject: Display PostScript DPS (was PDF under OpenVMS) ' Message-ID: <a-g*RZBFo@relay.lsl.co.uk>    John Johnstone said:K >I'm really curious to know if DPS was used in X servers from Sun, HP, IBM, L >or SGI and if they are losing it also.  It just seems so spectacularly poorJ >that Adobe thinks that they need to pull the plug on this.  Like there isL >really any kind of a threat to them if DPS remains in some old (forgive theB >expression) moldering X server running on a few VMS workstations.  K Yes, it was in certainly in IBM AIX, and in Sun Solaris, because we used it J on both (as well as Digital Unix and VMS), for rendering of cartographical( quality (scaleable and rotateable) text.  J I can't comment on IBM AIX as we don't support that now, but certainly SunG has done similar to Compaq in dropping support for it at one version of J Solaris (but keeping it present), and then saying that it is going away in3 the following version due to insistence from Adobe.   J I agree that it is a pig that is being actively removed, as it forces workF to be done on providing an alternative, even for stable but maintained	 products.   ? Paul Hardy (PGH), Business Development Manager, Laser-Scan Ltd, H Science Park, Milton Rd, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0FY, GB. Tel: +44 (0)1223 420414B Fax: 420044, Email: Paul@LSL.co.uk, Web: http://www.Laser-Scan.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:52:28 +0100 , From: Jason Curzon <curzonjason@hotmail.com>A Subject: Earn $10 For Yourself And $10 For Each Of Your Referralsi6 Message-ID: <200010251559.PAA03921@smtp.screaming.net>  ^ **********************************************************************************************M THIS IS NOT SPAM. YOU ARE RECEIVING THIS MESSAGE BECAUSE YOU ARE A MEMBER OF  N A SMART-LIST. IF YOU WISH TO BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST, PLEASE TYPE REMOVE IN  THE SUBJECT BOX OF YOUR REPLY.)i^ **********************************************************************************************    5 How about earning $10 for everyone of your referrals?g  O Do you know 20 people? Thats $200 for you, plus how much you can earn by doing t this is unlimited.  O Payment Alternatives are giving you just that.  It is similar to Paypal except  M they are the first to go international, so it doesn`t matter where you live,  R you can earn money this easy way.  There are no strings attached, no hidden fees,  and it is free to join.i  Q To collect your $10 just click on the link below and you will be taken to a sign  M up form where you will receive your $10 and your referral link where you can  4 refer others to this quick money making opportunity.  S         https://www.readysecure.com/users/paymentaltcom/signup/index.asp?refer=5401r   All The Best   Jason Curzon   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:18:44 GMTl/ From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>S% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again.iE Message-ID: <oRCJ5.6174$UL.383886@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>y  K Andrew will probably take a little while to repond to this.  They (SUN) arenI in a spin control meeting.   They can't always blame the stupid customer,-L and they have already exploited the static issue.  I can't wait to hear what they come up with this time!  ? "Curtis Rempel" <vmsguy.no.spam.here@home.com> wrote in message(4 news:IjrJ5.42177$76.776066@news1.rdc1.ab.home.com...D > Fasten your FUDbelts everybody, Andrew is rounding the bend now... >  >i< > "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> wrote in messageE > news:D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB284@rlghncst625.usps.gov...s > >e > >D >SL http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/cn/20001023/tc/ebay_blames_upgrade_for_system > > _troubles_1.html > >a" > > Monday October 23 10:00 PM EDT+ > > eBay blames upgrade for system troublese > >e$ > > By Troy Wolverton, CNET News.com > > E > > eBay apologized to customers Monday for a system upgrade that hasyG > > led to intermittent outages and frustrating service problems duringt > > the past two weeks.  > >>D > >  In a note to members on its annoucements board, eBay apologizedG > > for the problems and blamed them on an upgrade of its database thate > > it began in August.e > >eD > > "It may seem like it should take a short time to implement theseD > > improvements," eBay said in its note. "But it is quite a task toE > > perform installations and testing while keeping the existing siteq= > > running. We conduct lots of tests to make sure that theseoD > > transitions are as seamless as possible. Sometimes they are not.% > > And for that, we are very sorry."p > >hB > > eBay representatives did not respond to repeated calls seekingF > > comment. In its note, eBay said it should complete the upgrade the > > next "seven to 10 days." > >yE > > The repeated system problems infuriated many auction sellers, whoeH > > took to the message boards on eBay, Honesty.com and AuctionWatch.comH > > to complain. Sellers were upset that eBay refused to extend auctions > > affected by the downtimes. > >tB > > "I decided to stop selling until eBay fixes their problems andG > > offers real customer support when things go wrong," one eBay member D > > said. "I used to come here to buy and sell because it's fun. I'm= > > getting absolutely no fun now and not much money either."l > >gB > > The system upgrade and subsequent problems come amid a stellarE > > earnings report last week from the San Jose, Calif.-based companyc? > > that gave support to the company's sky-high future earningsn? > > expectations. In a discussion of its financial results witheC > > investors and analysts, eBay executives said that the company'suA > > investments in upgrading its technology had begun to pay off.B > >eE > > "We have made significant progress in stability and scalability,"hD > > company chief executive Meg Whitman said in a note to members onC > > the announcements board. "Our site again performed above the 99r  > > percent level this quarter." > >*E > > As a result, eBay has begun to scale back spending on operations,mE > > Whitman said. But the latest system problems could slow down that  > > effort.S > >tE > > On Thursday, eBay took its site down for unscheduled maintenance.aC > > The site was down about 40 minutes, eBay said. On Tuesday, eBaymD > > had an hour-long unplanned outage. Despite the hour-long outage,: > > eBay did not extend auctions affected by the downtime.B > > On Oct. 15, eBay took its system down to perform "preventativeD > > maintenance." The company warned members of the downtime just 10C > > minutes before taking the system down. Although the maintenance E > > was scheduled to last 10 minutes, eBay said system was down about  > > 40 minutes.u > >sB > > "We apologize for this necessary inconvenience, and appreciateA > > your understanding," eBay said in a note on its announcements + > > board concerning the Thursday downtime.o > >fC > > eBay began to upgrade its system in August to determine whether C > > it could handle future customer and auction growth. In its noteeE > > to members Monday, the company gave more details on the technicaltA > > changes, explaining that it has upgraded its database programw# > > from Oracle 7.3.4 to Oracle 8i.  > >rD > > As part of the upgrade, eBay has begun to divide its system intoD > > different databases and onto different systems. The goal is thatE > > if one feature on the system goes down, the rest of the site will ) > > still be available, the company said.i > > D > > The upgrade immediately resulted in a series of sporadic outagesC > > and glitches involving the personalized "My eBay" pages and the ( > > bidding history of individual items. > >uA > > The current problems also have affected the My eBay pages andnA > > the bidding history, as well as certain search features. eBaynB > > explained in its note that it turned off those features duringA > > high traffic times to keep the rest of the eBay system up andr( > > running as it upgraded the database. > >k< > > "While all features are important, we try to temporarilyA > > disable those that have the most significant impact to system0D > > load and those that minimize impact to people's ability to find,2 > > view and bid on items," eBay said in its note. > > A > > But by turning off those features, eBay has made it difficultuA > > for bidders to find and bid on items, said Rosalinda Baldwin, @ > > who monitors eBay's system problems as editor of The Auction? > > Guild online newsletter. Additionally, the problems memberss@ > > have encountered have been worse than eBay has acknowledged,= > > she said, with the hard outages much longer than eBay hasu > > stated in its postings.n > > A > > "The problems have been endless," Baldwin said. "If you can't C > > search and bid on an auction site, what good is the site doing? 
 > > None." > >uA > > The system problems come as the holiday shopping season drawsX: > > near. Last year, eBay became a popular gray market for9 > > hard-to-find toys such as the Amazing Ally doll. ThatoA > > phenomenon could repeat itself this year with sellers listingi@ > > items such as the PlayStation 2, which is in high demand due > > to production cutbacks.a > >b: > > The system problems could be an indication that eBay's? > > listings are already beginning to climb, said Mark Gambale, @ > > an analyst who covers the online auction industry for Gomez.? > > "We're likely to see more problems as eBay gets closer to a2  > > spike in listings," he said. > >c? > > But eBay said it hoped to have the problems contained soon.-= > > "Our goal is to make these improvements in advance of thez2 > > holiday season," the company said in its note. > >e< > > eBay's policy is to extend auctions and refund fees only( > > when outages last two or more hours. > > @ > > eBay said in its note that it would re-evaluate that policy. > > @ > > "Some of you have written to us asking us to extend auctions? > > during these periods of feature unavailability," eBay said.t; > > "In order to retrieve and change the information in the > > > database, we would have to completely shut down the entire$ > > system for at least 30 minutes." > > ? > > But eBay should listen to its members, said Peter Marino, at@ > > site operations analyst for Jupiter Communications. Although= > > eBay's investment in technology will probably prevent theeB > > hours-long outages the site experienced last year, the company@ > > still needs to be sensitive to its customers, he said. Upset= > > by problems like those eBay has had lately, members could?D > > turn to sites such as Yahoo or Amazon that offer more stability. > >eE > > "They don't have the luxury other sites do concerning downtimes,"o: > > Marino said. "They've got people 24 hours a day making) > > transactions that mean a lot to them.o > >dA > > "If the problems continue, the key is not going to be so mucheC > > on technical side, but on how they handle their customers. TheyeB > > may have to address that: how are they are being accommodating" > > to what their customers want." > > ==================@ > > The details of this article make eBay sound like the largest& > > kludge presently known to mankind. > >D% > > SEVEN to TEN DAYS for an upgrade?e > > Let's see Andrew spin THIS.u > > ================== > > William W. Webbl > > Sr. OpenVMS Systems Supportf > > DSCMF/OSS/MS, USPS > > (919)874-3043e > >n >r >a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:58:01 +0100l- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>g% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again..) Message-ID: <39F70309.8DA90E3D@bbc.co.uk>o   Curtis Rempel wrote:  D > Fasten your FUDbelts everybody, Andrew is rounding the bend now... >   F  I am wondering why Sun don't dispatch him personally to help with the upgrade.   :-))   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uke  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of- MedAS or the BBC.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:52:48 -0400I5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam>- Subject: Educational licensess6 Message-ID: <8t6l06$lqq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  1 As soon as I get more information I will post it.a   sueU4 ____________________________________________________    L At CETS in Los Angeles on October 3rd, Rich Marcello announced a new programH for educational institutions to receive the OpenVMS base o/s license andE selected layered product licenses for free.  To view the announcementm article, go to:'  L http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness_without_compromise/educational_licen se.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 02:56:58 -0400=& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>< Subject: Re: Encompass Bylaw Ballot: THE ENVELOPE, PLEASE...2 Message-ID: <8t608j$3pe$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>  F > Yeah, you won't get your way after suborning the democratic process.  K Pointing out the obvious - the membership still has the last word - if theyo7 vote no nothing that has been done remains in effect...W     --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================I  6 "Thor Lancelot Simon" <tls@panix.com> wrote in message% news:8t5evq$skb$1@panix3.panix.com...s2 In article <8stfvn$ed7$1@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,% Jeff Killeen <Jeff@IDM-IO.com> wrote: ? >>So vote "No" !  The Board of Directors has gone out on a limb-? >>and claimed that what they passed is acceptable. If they havem@ >>failed in that regard, the only honest response is to vote No. >sJ >If you choose to vote no please do so on informed basis with knowledge ofH >what will happen if this rejected.  The Board voted this through not asL >referendum of whether these are prefect by-laws but instead a needed actionJ >to continue to deliver the products and services of the User Group at the >national level.  J Yeah, you won't get your way after suborning the democratic process.  Gee,, that'd be a *terrible* thing to have happen.   --J Thor Lancelot Simon                                       tls@rek.tjls.com; the effort to perceive simply the cruel radiance of what isp   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:02:19 GMT-% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)a. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 34002 Message-ID: <39f6ba12.1367450409@news.newsguy.com>  0 On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 01:10:36 GMT, "Chris Chiesa"" <cchiesa1@rochester.rr.com> wrote:  K >   My customer has a MicroVAX 3400 running (probably; I can't confirm justs >now)_D >VMS V5.4-2, using TCP/IP by running one of the earliest releases of >WollongongIF >TCP/IP software.  This ran against the CPU card's built-in "thinwire" >(coaxial) Ether- L >net port until a few months ago, then that "died" and he had to switch over	 >to usinguC >the built-in "thickwire" Ethernet port and a thickwire-to-thinwire  >transceiver.  Now& >THAT has died, and he's called ME in.   >6H >   I spent about two hours trying to refresh my memories of this system
 >(this guyM >was one of my employer's former customers, and I myself installed WollongongIJ >onto it 9 years ago) and to find any visible problem with the software or
 >hardware.J >Neither panned out and all I could suggest was, "replace the CPU card" to >get a+ >whole new pair of built-in Ethernet ports.A  E The 3000 (not 3100) and 4000 series machines have a known weakness inhF the front panel  (the shiny metal bit containing the ethernet, console@ connections etc) that can cause ethernet to fail sporadically or@ completely. Costs about 300 dollars for a replacement from fieldD service. I've seen this fail on three or four machines over the lastD ten years, Some of the ethernet logic is on the cpu board but I haveF never seen this fail - just the front panel which does contain a small6 amount of active components. I'd tend to supsect this.   >oJ >   I just heard from him tonight that he did so -- and it did NOT fix the >problem.  I'mL >baffled.  I'm running out of "simple" hypotheses and am starting to have to	 >think ofA >more exotic ones. >oG >   1) He just so happened to replace his original CPU with another one=
 >broken in1 >exactly the same manner.  Odds?  Seems unlikely.  >AH >   2) ALL 3400 CPUs (KA-630? 640?  I don't remember) "expire" vis-a-vis
 >their on-J >board Ethernet capabilities, around this point in their lifetimes.  Seems >unlikely --3 >but significantly improves the odds of (1), above.2 >MJ >   3) It's software even though I don't see any other signs of corruption
 >(disk blocksfL >where software resides) or operational misbehavior (acts like hardware just >isn't
 >working). >o& >   4) Anything else YOU can think of! >eM >   If it's the software, we're still in a fix.  He probably doesn't have them >original Wollon- M >gong installation tapes, as my former employer kept those for itself insteadn	 >of hand- G >ing them out to the customers on whose systems they were installed (goe	 >figure).eK >The old employer no longer does VAX/VMS systems, so probably also does not-M >still have the tapes -- although we're going to at least INQUIRE.  I have nou
 >idea whe-K >ther Wollongong is still in business, still sells VAX/VMS TCP/IP software,C	 >or would H >support such an ancient release -- but I'd bet AGAINST at least SOME of >thoseG >things.  I assume "current" TCP/IP packages probably require newer VMSa	 >versionsrL >than V5.4-2, and that such "newer" VMS versions are unsupported on hardware >aseK >ancient as a MicroVAX 3400-- although they probably WILL RUN, bless 'em...y >:-)F >If we consider upgrading the VAX itself, we're still limited to Q-bus >machines, be-M >cause the machine is used as a turnkey system whose sole purpose is to driveu >aG >properietary peripheral device whose driver exists only in Q-bus form.* >*5 >    So, what are our options?  I cringe to even ASK.* >*M >    Please e-mail me even if you also reply here; my free time isn't what itU >used to be,2 >and I'd do it for YOU if YOU were the one asking. >M >    Thanks in advance,E >E >       Chris Chiesa) >         (whom some of you may remember)* >* >* >* >*   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:25:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman). Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 34006 Message-ID: <8t6u11$npa$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  n In article <gqqJ5.83590$JS3.12466496@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com>, "Chris Chiesa" <cchiesa1@rochester.rr.com> writes:K :   My customer has a MicroVAX 3400 running (probably; I can't confirm justiI :now) VMS V5.4-2, using TCP/IP by running one of the earliest releases of  :Wollongong...  )   AFAIK, Process now owns this TWG stuff.i  J :Neither panned out and all I could suggest was, "replace the CPU card" to1 :get a whole new pair of built-in Ethernet ports.o :nJ :   I just heard from him tonight that he did so -- and it did NOT fix theG :problem.  I'm baffled.  I'm running out of "simple" hypotheses and am -/ :starting to have to think of more exotic ones.   F   I'd look at a network or network wiring problem -- when swapping theD   KA640 CPU, you swap both the bulkhead and the Ethernet controller.  G :   1) He just so happened to replace his original CPU with another oneh; :broken in exactly the same manner.  Odds?  Seems unlikely.   @   Yes, it does.  Or something else (host software or out on the ,   network somewhere) is causing the problem.  @   Ping and the basic IP troubleshooting would be the first step,>   including a careful look at the network itself...  Swap some@   network cables around, check any bridge, router or delni, look?   for proper cable lengths and proper terminations, correct use.+   of t-connectors (ThinWire) and such, etc.F  M :   If it's the software, we're still in a fix.  He probably doesn't have theyM :original Wollongong installation tapes...I assume "current" TCP/IP packages _L :probably require newer VMS versions than V5.4-2, and that such "newer" VMS F :versions are unsupported on hardware as ancient as a MicroVAX 3400-- . :although they probably WILL RUN, bless 'em...  H   OpenVMS VAX V7.2 and TCP/IP Services V5.0A is fully supported on this E   hardware configuration.  The oldest currently-supported -- assumingbE   a Prior Version Support contract is in place -- is V5.5-2 with somed"   V4.* version of TCP/IP Services.  I :...If we consider upgrading the VAX itself, we're still limited to Q-bus F :machines, because the machine is used as a turnkey system whose sole C :purpose is to drive a properietary peripheral device whose driver t :exists only in Q-bus form.g :t! :    So, what are our options?...   #   Some of the most obvious options:n  1     o Figure out how to replace the Q-bus widget.r  ?       Implications include host software interface and whatevere9       widgets exist on the backside of this Q-bus widget.o  8     o Upgrade to a faster MicroVAX or VAX 4000 series.    =       Implications include the potential for Q-bus widget and ;       device driver problems due to the faster CPU, as thish?       upgrade can reveal latent hardware and software problems.o  D     o Get it working again and leave it alone for five or ten years.    M :    Please e-mail me even if you also reply here; my free time isn't what ith> :used to be, and I'd do it for YOU if YOU were the one asking.  L   Ask here, get an answer here.  My free time isn't what it used to be, too.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:05:02 GMTh% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)g. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 34002 Message-ID: <39f6f576.1382655042@news.newsguy.com>  F On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:17:14 +0200, Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> wrote:   >Chris Chiesa schrieb: >> pI >> I just heard from him tonight that he did so -- and it did NOT fix thelH >> problem.  I'm baffled.  I'm running out of "simple" hypotheses and am1 >> starting to have to think of more exotic ones.n >> o; >Check the cabinet kit and its wiring to the ethernet-card. = >Take a Linux-Box (eg. 486/66) and tcpdump to see if there iso& >network traffic coming form the card.  E If it is the failure I think it is then it is possible for the system,D to be able to send but not receive. I've also seen systems which canB receive but not send as well as fail completely. All caused by the, front panel I referenced in an earlier post.   >tC >> If it's the software, we're still in a fix.  He probably doesn't @ >> have the original Wollongong installation tapes, as my former >>@ >porting from Wollongong to UCX is, as far as I remember, only a@ >matter of relinking perhaps recompiling, too. I can't remember.  A I seem to recall they can run directly in most cases if UCX's QIOu emulation is enabled.    > @ >> I assume "current" TCP/IP packages probably require newer VMS? >> versions than V5.4-2, and that such "newer" VMS versions are  >> unsupported on hardware >>? >Wollongong isn't there any more. Does anybody knows if UCX 4.xu >works with VMS 5.4 ??? 9 >Another way is porting to the CMUIP-Stack. Its all free.i  B Although the final Y2K certified version of Wollongong does run onC 5.,4 IIRC. However it is unlikely that that's where the problem is.    >a --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 07:56:58 GMT@ From: Matthias Maisenbacher <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com>' Subject: How many files are on my disk? D Message-ID: <slrn8vd4hn.fv.matthias.maisenbacher@si7654.si.bosch.de>   Hi,   " yes, I know about dir /grand [...]  B But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?5 Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains?     As always, any ideas are welcome       Matthias        ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:29:31 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aui+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?s5 Message-ID: <01JVRKKYP042005TQB@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>h  	 Matthias,s  # >yes, I know about dir /grand [...]  >rC >But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?u6 >Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains? > ! >As always, any ideas are welcomec    H As Hoff often asks, what are you trying to accomplish?  Why do you care?  ; Do you want to re-dimension INDEXF.SYS?  Minimize its size?   ' Try $mcr dfu report DKA0 (or whatever).   : Presumably everyone installs Ton's excellent product :-)))   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,o
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiad   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,t; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.s   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 09:04:42 GMT@ From: Matthias Maisenbacher <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com>+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?oD Message-ID: <slrn8vd8h7.hb.matthias.maisenbacher@si7654.si.bosch.de>  = (2nd try, first got 'r'eplayed instead of 'f'orwarded. Sorry)h  D >>But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?7 >>Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains? I >As Hoff often asks, what are you trying to accomplish?  Why do you care?a You're right. I'll try...n  5 we've got 2 disks which sometimes run into disk full  2 and sometimes into index full. (Many little files)) (Real Numbers are 20Gb and 500.000 Files)r  = That's why we have to look at this disk from time to time and.6 eventually decide to add a new disk in the stripe set.  / It's eaysy to get the free space (sh dev dka..)p< It seems to be quite hard to get the file count. (dir/grand)  < >Do you want to re-dimension INDEXF.SYS?  Minimize its size? No, maximize :-) n= But this is done when we switch over to the next bigger disk.i  ( >Try $mcr dfu report DKA0 (or whatever)., I'm not system here. If I were, I'd use dfu.M (I suppose one needed system privs to accomplish this query? If not, I'll do)a  C Of course this IS a job for SYSTEM, but they won't install/use dfu.i: They told me, there's no way to lock other than dir/grand.) I asked here, because I couldn't believe.m   Thank you for answeringy      Matthiast   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:52:30 GMTi* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?h) Message-ID: <8t6s3b$ca6$1@nnrp1.deja.com>n  D In article <slrn8vd8h7.hb.matthias.maisenbacher@si7654.si.bosch.de>,%   matthias.maisenbacher@gmx.de wrote:i? > (2nd try, first got 'r'eplayed instead of 'f'orwarded. Sorry)u >aF > >>But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?9 > >>Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains?iE > >As Hoff often asks, what are you trying to accomplish?  Why do youa care?a > You're right. I'll try...  > 6 > we've got 2 disks which sometimes run into disk full4 > and sometimes into index full. (Many little files)+ > (Real Numbers are 20Gb and 500.000 Files)  > ? > That's why we have to look at this disk from time to time andt8 > eventually decide to add a new disk in the stripe set. >a1 > It's eaysy to get the free space (sh dev dka..)y> > It seems to be quite hard to get the file count. (dir/grand)  E Make sure that when you run DIR/GRAND that you don't have DIR defined.D as a symbol like DIR:=DIRECTORY/SIZE/DATE, because /SIZE, /DATE, andG other information-gathering qualifiers slow down DIRECTORY ***even wheneF the extra information is not displayed because of the /TOTAL or /GRAND qualifiers***.   Example:   $   DIR:=DIR/SIZE/DATE   $   DIR/GRAND [*...]   takes much longer to run thant   $   DIRECTORY/GRAND [*...]  A (Assuming, of course, that you don't have DIRECTORY as a symbol.)hD Also, if you are on a system disk, you'll want to add something like   /EXCLUDE=[SYS%.SYSCOMMON]S  * to avoid recouting files in those aliases.  B An alternative might be to read the index file bit map (located inD INDEXF.SYS) and count how many bits are set to 1. This will give youG the total number of file headers in use, which I think is actually more-E relevant in this case. Of course you'll have to write a program to doo this.    >n> > >Do you want to re-dimension INDEXF.SYS?  Minimize its size? > No, maximize :-)? > But this is done when we switch over to the next bigger disk.o >   F At a previous job, I had trouble with extension of INDEXF.SYS due to aF bug in the new extension algorithm. I got a patch from COMPAQ and thatC fixed it. (I think it was part of the Y2K patch, I'm not sure.) TheeD problem was that INDEXF.SYS was being extended in double-digit blockD increments. Have you checked the sizes of the extents of INDEXF.SYS?E Use DUMP/HEADER/BLOCK=COUNT=0 disk:[000000]INDEXF.SYS and look at the-G map area retrieval pointers at the end of the dump. The count gives the  size of each extent in blocks.  $ What version of VMS are you running?  * > >Try $mcr dfu report DKA0 (or whatever).. > I'm not system here. If I were, I'd use dfu.F > (I suppose one needed system privs to accomplish this query? If not, I'll do) >mE > Of course this IS a job for SYSTEM, but they won't install/use dfu.e< > They told me, there's no way to lock other than dir/grand.+ > I asked here, because I couldn't believe.= >= > Thank you for answering= >=
 >    Matthias= >I   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman  alan48  &-)a dellnet.comv    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:34:51 +0000!$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?e/ Message-ID: <00256983.005AD373.00@quegw01.btyp>r  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    O I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder where does VMS pick up the numberTO of files on a volume to match against the MAXIMUM_FILES setting? And would thisaN value be of any use in this situation (ie can you get it without too much hard work)?   Steve Spires        H Matthias Maisenbacher <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com> on 25/10/2000 07:56:58 AMe    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages) I From:      Matthias Maisenbacher <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com>, 25m"            October 2000, 7:56 a.m.   How many files are on my disk?         Hi,2  " yes, I know about dir /grand [...]  B But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?5 Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains?>    As always, any ideas are welcome       Matthias   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 17:41:44 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)s+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?i! Message-ID: <n06brtpxukt7@ludens>   I  Matthias Maisenbacher <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com> on 25/10/2000i
 > 07:56:58 AMa > Hi,r > $ > yes, I know about dir /grand [...] > D > But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?7 > Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains?v     try:  . anal/disk /list=outputlist.lis /norepair ddcu:  " and see the created outputlist.lis     >  >     Matthias     Adam Maulisy   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:32:34 GMTo* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?w) Message-ID: <8t71v3$hs8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  / In article <00256983.005AD373.00@quegw01.btyp>,e'   Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk wrote: A > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridgei Street Plaza >eF > I don't have an answer for this, but I wonder where does VMS pick up
 the numberF > of files on a volume to match against the MAXIMUM_FILES setting? And
 would thisF > value be of any use in this situation (ie can you get it without too	 much hardh > work)?  , From the guide to OpenVMS File Applications:   1.2.2.1 Index FileC Every Files--11 volume has an index file, which is created when the C volume is initialized. This index file identifies the volume to theuF operating system as a Files--11 structure and contains the access dataC for all files on the volume. The index file, which is listed in thes= master file directory as INDEXF.SYS;1, contains the followingH information:  A Bootstrap block --- The volume's bootstrap block is virtual blocktB number 1 of the index file. If the volume is a system volume, thisG block contains a bootstrap program that loads the operating system intodC memory. If the volume is not a system volume, this block contains a C program that displays the message that the volume is not the systemM2 device but a device that contains user files only.E Home block --- The home block provides specific information about thepC volume, including default file values. The following information iso included within the home block:i The volume namef5 Information to locate the remainder of the index filed  D The maximum number of files that can be present on the volume at any
 given time ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^a  G [I believe that this should really say maximum number of file headers.]n  6 The user identification code (UIC) of the volume ownerD Volume protection information (specifies which users can read and/or write the entire volume)= The home block identifies the disk as a Files--11 ODS volume.tF Initially, the home block is the second block on the volume. Files--11C ODS volumes contain several copies of the home block to ensure that F accidental destruction of this information does not affect the abilityF to locate other files on the volume. If the current home block becomes6 corrupted, the system selects an alternate home block.G Alternate home block --- The alternate home block is a copy of the homeiF block. It permits the volume to be used even if the primary home block
 is destroyed.mG Alternate index file header --- The alternate index file header permitspG recovery of data on the volume if the primary index file header becomes* damaged.   vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvE Index file bit map --- The index file bit map controls the allocationpG of file headers and thus the number of files on the volume. The bit mapUG contains a bit for each file header allowed on the volume. If the valuehF of a bit for a given file header is 0, a file can be created with thisB file header. If the value is 1, the file header is already in use. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  F File headers --- The largest part of the index file is made up of fileC headers. Each file on the volume has a file header, which describesmG such properties of the file as file ownership, creation date, and time.CD Each file header also contains a list of the extents that define theF physical location of the file. When a file has many extents, it may beD necessary to have multiple file headers for locating them. When thisE occurs, each header is assigned a file identifier number to associate  it with the appropriate file.,G When you create a file, you normally specify a name that RMS assigns torE the file on a Files--11 ODS volume. RMS places the file name and filedE identifier associated with the newly created file in a directory thattF contains an entry defining the location for each file. To subsequentlyB access the file, you specify its name. The system uses the name toD define a path through the directory entry to the file identifier. InB turn, the file identifier points to the file header that lists the file's extents.n   [end of quote]     >  > Steve Spires >e? > Matthias Maisenbacher <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com> ono
 25/10/2000
 > 07:56:58 AM) > " > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)s" > From:      Matthias Maisenbacher( <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com>, 25$ >            October 2000, 7:56 a.m. >   > How many files are on my disk? >n > Hi,d >o$ > yes, I know about dir /grand [...] >nD > But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?7 > Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains?  >l" > As always, any ideas are welcome >u >     Matthias >g >_   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmana alan48  &-)  dellnet.comw dellnet.comr    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 17:12:46 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?s6 Message-ID: <8t74ae$oqa$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   In article <slrn8vd8h7.hb.matthias.maisenbacher@si7654.si.bosch.de>, Matthias Maisenbacher <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com> writes:e> :(2nd try, first got 'r'eplayed instead of 'f'orwarded. Sorry) : E :>>But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?h8 :>>Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains?  F   That would be extra overhead to track something that is not usually G   needed -- most users and most operations only care that the creation cF   or the allocation (of the file header or the extension header or of    the storage itself) succeeds.i  J :>As Hoff often asks, what are you trying to accomplish?  Why do you care?  6 :we've got 2 disks which sometimes run into disk full 3 :and sometimes into index full. (Many little files)t* :(Real Numbers are 20Gb and 500.000 Files)  C   V7.2 and later provide for better storage of little files, as thelD   average wasted space is one-half the disk cluster factor times theD   number of files.  With V7.2 and later, the disk cluster factor can@   be set to one block on disks up to 137 GB in size.  On earlierD   versions, the disk cluster factor is rather larger.  The required E   disk cluster factor size scales with the size of the volume on all S   OpenVMS releases.n  D   I'd first assume that the disks are probably fragmented, and wouldF   schedule a BACKUP/IMAGE and restoration.  As part of this sequence, H   I would CONVERT or otherwise neaten-reorganize the internal structuresE   of the RMS indexed files and/or relational databases, and I'd then 4H   unload the contents of the disks to tape, reinitialize the disks with B   new maximum files settings, and would then reload the disks via    BACKUP/IMAGE/NOINIT.  > :That's why we have to look at this disk from time to time and7 :eventually decide to add a new disk in the stripe set.o  @   As I am unfamiliar with your environment, I will assume that a?   stripe set is an appropriate configuration.  Realize that theo@   more volumes you add, the larger the chances of a catastrophicA   failure due to the failure of a single spindle -- this is wheret1   host- or controller-based RAID comes into play.   0 :It's eaysy to get the free space (sh dev dka..)= :It seems to be quite hard to get the file count. (dir/grand)I  ;   DFU reports the values directly, DIRECTORY/GRAND scans...    = :>Do you want to re-dimension INDEXF.SYS?  Minimize its size?  :No, maximize :-) > :But this is done when we switch over to the next bigger disk.  A   Not necessarily.  You can easily carry over older disk settingsl   to newer volumes.   A   You do not mention OpenVMS version and the platform here (as ismC   a good idea with any question asked), so I can't easily point to h<   any features or concerns specific to your OpenVMS version.   ) :>Try $mcr dfu report DKA0 (or whatever).n- :I'm not system here. If I were, I'd use dfu.wN :(I suppose one needed system privs to accomplish this query? If not, I'll do)  C   You would usually need full access for the DIRECTORY/GRAND_TOTAL,4H   too -- either via privileges or via the device and file protections...  D :Of course this IS a job for SYSTEM, but they won't install/use dfu.  )   Their loss.  DFU is a very useful tool.a  ; :They told me, there's no way to lock other than dir/grand. * :I asked here, because I couldn't believe.  J   "They" either do not know of another way or "they" do not wish to admit K   they have (or they lack) such knowledge, as there are clearly other ways dI   available.  If this is a system disk or other disk with alias entries, eH   DIRECTORY/GRAND_TOTAL will produce values that are larger than actual.J   DIRECTORY/GRAND_TOTAL will also not find files "hidden" in the directoryK   structure, and thus a pass of ANALYZE/DISK/REPAIR is usually a good idea.gI   (This command can free up blocks incorrectly marked as allocated, etc.)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:37:33 GMT  From: spolato@my-deja.com 7 Subject: How to disable X-session "auto reconnection" ?m) Message-ID: <8t6nms$8af$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m  C I have some problems when an x-session drops for some reasons - for ( user station power failure, for example.F When this happens, we'd need to have all that sessions with the remoteC openVms system to be killed and permit the user to login again onlyz when he decide to do it.D Instead, when the user station becomes ready, a remote host loginoutC process attempt to reconnet the user station by a username/password- prompt.-< With some x server (VAXstation and eXodus on MAC) this "autoE reconnection" attempt sometimes cause the hung of the station - and aw! restart of the station is needed.g  F Does anyone know how - if possible - to disable this auto reconnection feature on the OpenVMS host?   Host box : ES40 OpenVMS 7.2-1,$ Station box : Vaxstation OpenVMS 7.1 TCP : Multinet   Thanks in advance for the help.w  
 Sandro Polatoi    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 16:12:28 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam) ; Subject: Re: How to disable X-session "auto reconnection" ?b! Message-ID: <bkNj8isAjWPz@ludens>   E In article <8t6nms$8af$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, spolato@my-deja.com writes:y [...] F > Instead, when the user station becomes ready, a remote host loginoutE > process attempt to reconnet the user station by a username/password/	 > prompt.D   [...]t  ; See the following part of the sys$startup:decw$startup.com::  I $    ! Define the logical name decw$startup_restarting to true to prevent$G $    ! the session manager from starting a new login box before we havesF $    ! run decw$startapps.com.  The logical name will be deassigned inB $    ! decw$startapps.com just before it runs decw$startlogin.exe. $    !: $    define/system/exec/nolog decw$startup_restarting true       Adam Maulis    >  > Sandro Polatot >    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:32:49 GMT- From: spolato@my-deja.com ; Subject: Re: How to disable X-session "auto reconnection" ?.) Message-ID: <8t71vh$hsj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   ! In article <bkNj8isAjWPz@ludens>,p,   maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam) wrote:G > In article <8t6nms$8af$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, spolato@my-deja.com writes:o > [...]2H > > Instead, when the user station becomes ready, a remote host loginoutG > > process attempt to reconnet the user station by a username/passwordd > > prompt.' >w > [...]y >l= > See the following part of the sys$startup:decw$startup.com:  >oG > $! Define the logical name decw$startup_restarting to true to preventoE > $! the session manager from starting a new login box before we havexD > $! run decw$startapps.com.  The logical name will be deassigned in@ > $! decw$startapps.com just before it runs decw$startlogin.exe. > $!9 > $ define/system/exec/nolog decw$startup_restarting true  >  Adam, thanks for the help.- I have checked that logical name value in theh8 sys$startup:decw$startup.com and I have found it "true".D I think, however, that this logical name could regard only the localF graphical console at the remote host and not the other user stations -@ in fact, after the startup that logical name appears deassigned.  
 Sandro Polaton    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:34:01 -0400l0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>/ Subject: Re: Inexpensive Laser Printers for VMSTC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-E7A7DC.09340125102000@news.compaq.com>   G In article <39F601DF.DD1F8C94@home.nl>, Dirk Munk <munk@home.nl> wrote:s  C > Look at Brother laserprinters. They have a cheap network printer t > incl. postscript. < > http://www.brother.com/usa/printer/info/hl1270n/index.html > # > I suppose it will work with DCPS.s  H It will work with DCPS if you can have a bidirectional connection to it E and it's otherwise well-behaved.  DCPS Engineering has no experience n with Brother printers.   Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:57:52 +0200 (MET DST)e& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: RE: Java on Openvms6 Message-ID: <200010250654.IAA20281@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  H I think that having no upward compatibilities is the trick to get money.F All Java user must have an update license to get every time the newestJ Java. Also the must install them and change all the Jave applets/programs,E etc. So a lot of programers must do a hard job. Why do we do that. We C should fight against this worse politic. I have heard, that one did G run a Fortran program under OpenVMS 6.2, compiled under VMS 1.x. That's.D great. Mc Neals idol should be Bill Gates. He does the same with his Office pakage.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:41:43 +0200 (MET DST)k& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>< Subject: Re: Linker performance on DS20 slower than VAX 65206 Message-ID: <200010250738.JAA20349@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  
 Chuck wrotes:l   >>>v? I defrag'd the disk and got some improvement but not much. I am D wondering if the RAIDed disks are slowing down the IO. My theory was, that new disks would be much faster that oldA ones and that even if there was a penalty for RAIDing it would beA balanced by the faster speed.c <<<T  D Chuck newer disk are much faster for read, not for write. I measured the following: w  7 	IBM DGHS 18.2GB disk: read = 15.2MB/s; write = 3.7MB/sT7 	IBM DDYS 36.4GB disk: read = 27.8MB/s; write = 2.7MB/s   A As you could see: the newer disk write performance is slower thanaB the older one. A linker have a lot of writes. You have to look forB your bottleneck. Alpha images are double size of VAX images. So ifC write performance on VAX and Alpha is the same, you need the doublebA time to write the image to the disk regard as fast your Alpha is.a+ What can you do to improve the performance:   : 	You have to measure your system throughput (PCI bus, SCSI 	controller, disk performance).u  I Then you have to remove the bottleneck (e.g. change the SCSI controller).r   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:30:21 +0200e% From: "Hans" <Hans.Wassink@hetnet.nl>- Subject: Nashuatec & DCPS2% Message-ID: <OWDtDiqPAHA.346@net025s>.  4 We use Nashuatec printer/copiers. The D435 and D465.  1 Until now we did not get them printing with DCPS.M  + Is there someone who has done this already.b   Hans   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 00:38 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)o' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge - Message-ID: <25OCT200000383516@gerg.tamu.edu>l  6 malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg) writes...( }In article <39F5AC21.2A52D339@rpi.edu>,0 }Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.education> writes:	 }> Hello,-; }>     We've got a VAXstation 4 with a TK70 tape drive that3$ }>     I'd like to reinstall VMS on. } = }As has been often stated on this forum, precise system names-' }and possibly model numbers are needed.a }  } = }Since this machine is currently running OpenVMS, please posts- }the first few lines of $SHOW LICENSE/CHARGE.  } + }Also the device identification lines from:  }  }$show device/full MU: }$show device/full MK: }$show device/full MIA:h } < }I know of no Digital or Compaq machines that have a name of }VAXstation 4. }-John  B It is a possible system type. The upgrade to a microVAX II was theA microVAX III, which has an upgrade called a "VAX 4". Make each ofaC these into a workstation configuration and you get a VAXstation II,e$ VAXstation III, and a VAXstatsion 4.  B This could also explain the TK70, as that would not be an uncommon' device to find in a system of that age.t   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:07:01 -0400h. From: Hank Vander Waal <hvanderw@novagate.com>' Subject: RE: Need VMS on tape cartridget8 Message-ID: <001001c03e84$775d9200$2b96a8c6@mscmain.com>  K I don't know what version you are looking for but contact me off list and IoH will see what I have here.  Know for a fact I have VAX/VMS 5.5-2 on TK50   Hank Vander Waal CISs Hudsonville MI   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:55:10 -0200t) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bra' Subject: OpenVMS Technical Resource KithL Message-ID: <OF77C7F13C.BD9E53AA-ON83256983.004C5C5C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  G Did  anyone bought the OpenVMS Technical Resource Kit ???? Is it usefuli ????   Regardsf   FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 10:10:27 GMTo% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)m Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS2 Message-ID: <39f6aff3.1364859624@news.newsguy.com>   On 24 Oct 2000 15:59:31 GMT,@ lederman@star.enet.dec.DISABLE-JUNK-EMAIL.com (Bart Z. Lederman) wrote:   >o[ >In article <39f584b0.1288246540@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:e >>>k@ >>>I would be very interested if anyone has a statement directly$ >>>from Adobe that states otherwise. >>B >>Errr, there is such a statement on the adobe web site. Check out2 >>http://www.adobe.com/products/acrviewer/faq.html >> >>Note the following paragraph:o >>  >> What is Adobe Acrobat Viewer?H >>Adobe Acrobat Viewer is a Java application that lets you view PortableH >>Document Format (PDF) files on any system where a Java Virtual MachineC >>(JVM) is installed. If you already have Adobe Acrobat Reader, youmB >>won't need Acrobat Viewer. But if there is no version of AcrobatF >>Reader available for your system, and you have a JVM installed, thenG >>Acrobat Viewer is for you. Software developers can use Acrobat ViewernG >>as an application or JavaBean. The Acrobat Viewer can be licensed forfC >>free to be bundled with Java-related products, or integrated into H >>custom Java solutions through the JavaBean interface. Refer to the End/ >>User License Agreement for more information.   >> e >d >>-- >>Alan Greig >> > A >Please point out where the word "supported" appears in the above^- >statement, or anywhere else on the web site.i  D I notice that you cut the key line I was responding to in your reply which said:c= >There is nothing on the Adobe web site which states that thee; >>Java-based PDF viewer is "official" or supported by Adobe  >>on any platform.  ? You asked for a pointer to a satement that it was "official" oreD supported. I pointed to a reference that it was official not that it( was supported.. Sorry for any confusion.   > @ >When I last looked at it, the Java based viewer was distributed? >by Adobe without support.  I believe they even state that theyS! >will not accept problem reports.1 >D@ >Again: if anyone has a statement from Adobe that clearly states@ >that Adobe will support the Java based viewer, which means that@ >they will accept problem reports and correct reported problems,< >or anything which clearly states that they will support the> >viewer on OpenVMS, I would like to see it (and so would a lot >of other people, I expect).  D Unfortunately I believe you are correct that it is not supported butF it is official and licensable. I guess they probably do repsond to bugD reports if they can be shown to be common across JVMs. Just not in a@ formal support channel manner. The web pages actually list knownA problems and workarounds with various JVMs so they must take somedE feedback. There is no section on VMS. Could this be becaue nobody hasf fed anything back?   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:51:49 +0200 (MET DST)t& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)6 Message-ID: <200010250748.JAA20374@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  F if DPS is removed from OpenVMS and (as other say) from other OSes, howD can I preview a PostSript file. AFAIK PostScript and PDF are not the same format. Is this right?-   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:44:13 GMT / From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>s$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)) Message-ID: <39F69D5D.188457B2@uiowa.edu>a   Rudolf Wingert wrote:4H > if DPS is removed from OpenVMS and (as other say) from other OSes, howF > can I preview a PostSript file. AFAIK PostScript and PDF are not the > same format. Is this right?f   	Yes.  PS .ne. PDF.t  > 	I have never used DPS, but I am generally happy with the freeG stuff like GhostView/GhostScript (for PS) and XPDF (for PDF).  There is G also the new PDF viewer for OpenVMS (commercial) that has been recentlyh
 announced.  B 	Haven't we all found that a Win box is necessary for some things?G What happens when your e-mailed a Word2000 document you are required touC read?  Are there really people who work in the computing world thats NEVERsH need a Windows-based application?  I don't mean those that refuse to useB one! They still need it, they just don't get some things done very
 easily. :)  = 	If you have a Win9x box, get Adobe Acrobat and the MS OfficenD viewers that are free and use them when you have to...  It will just5 make you more acutely aware of the reliabilty of VMS!n   rick -- sH Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479i   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:21:39 GMTs= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)e$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)0 Message-ID: <009F21FE.350B8F3F@SendSpamHere.ORG>  [ In article <39F69D5D.188457B2@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes:d >Rudolf Wingert wrote:I >> if DPS is removed from OpenVMS and (as other say) from other OSes, hownG >> can I preview a PostSript file. AFAIK PostScript and PDF are not the  >> same format. Is this right? >y >	Yes.  PS .ne. PDF. >a? >	I have never used DPS, but I am generally happy with the freesH >stuff like GhostView/GhostScript (for PS) and XPDF (for PDF).  There isH >also the new PDF viewer for OpenVMS (commercial) that has been recently >announced.e  J The problem lies with things such as DECwrite which allows the linking to I encapsulated postscript files/images.  I doubt that GS/GV will help me att all with this problem.    C >	Haven't we all found that a Win box is necessary for some things?    Nope.s    H >What happens when your e-mailed a Word2000 document you are required to=                    you're -- would M$ weird have caught this?sD >read?  Are there really people who work in the computing world that >NEVERI >need a Windows-based application?  I don't mean those that refuse to usedC >one! They still need it, they just don't get some things done veryu >easily. :)   I There is no need to send a document through eMail in a proprietary format H such as M$ weird.  Most of the time the contents could be shipped out inI a faster, less bandwidth and disk space hogging plain text format!  Also, H if I was required to read it then it would not be sent via any mechanismI which has no guarantee of delivery or a guaranteed way to determine if itc was delivered!    H Also, you should be required to have a VMS workstation so that you couldI read the DECwrite document that I have backed up with VMS backup and thenlI ZIPped and MFTU encoded for delivery through eMail -- right?  Think for aiG moment about what you are pushing and then be ready to get pushed back._    > >	If you have a Win9x box, get Adobe Acrobat and the MS OfficeE >viewers that are free and use them when you have to...  It will justt6 >make you more acutely aware of the reliabilty of VMS!B                    reliability -- would M$ weird have caught this?  H I have a piece of shit here that was purchased for me by an organizationH that needed me to maintain the VMS side of an application which uses theH PeeCee as the GUI[1]  FYI, the machine's name is piece-of-shit!  My kidsH use it now that I really have no need for it.  I here them complain whenF they start it up in Weendoze'98 mode and cannot print because there isI no LPD for Weendoze'98.  I listen to them complain when they run WeendozesH NT and the bugger bugchecks and coughs up the blue screen of death when-G ever the internet connection bottlenecks.  I hear my daughter grumblingkF when her friends on AOhelL send her the latest virii or stupid programI via eMail that wipes out her files and/or settings!  You bet I'm acutely cH and very unpleasantly aware of the crap which is called Micro$chlock andG I humbly praise my VMS reliability daily!  I get so freakin' frustratediF every time I have to even touch this machine.  It sets computing aback9 at least 20 years with its "novel" way of doing things.  b  E [1] I would never ever place my own hard earned $$$ into the hands ofo     Emperor Bill.M   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.-   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:38:57 GMTa From: ThackrayA@logica.com- Subject: Re: Power supply for PC64 Cabriolet?a2 Message-ID: <39f69b75.178771119@news.logica.co.uk>  @ Funny, my PC64 power supply had a switch in the power lead, and 0 just plugged into the MB, and worked no problem.C I believe the PC64 was made in several slightly different versions.e  9 You can still get the board manual in PDF format from the.8 Digital (Compaq) web site. You may even get a hard copy, but I think that doubtful, now.i   AJTe   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 12:21:51 GMTf From: pdafniotis@hotmail.com6 Subject: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed.) Message-ID: <8t6j8q$4km$1@nnrp1.deja.com>$   Hello-  F I have just received my new Compaq Workstation XP1000 and having givenA up the cluster I had before I am in need to setup printer queues.    I have two questions:-E 1. For any printer forms (e.g. NUMBER_UP, HP4000_PORTRAIT, etc) wherem: are they stored? How do I find their names/syntax/purpose?  H 2. I first tried printing with the TELNET method. Worked ok. Then havingC licenses for NAS 150 and NAS 250 (both clients I think) I installed E DecPrint Supervisor (DCPS). Installation went fine, I even managed to H create a Rawtcp queue on an HP Printer, I tried to print and after a fewG seconds I got the message that the DCPS-Open license is needed to print E to 3rd party printers? Do I really need this? And why? PLEASE HELP if  you know anything about this.a  ) Thank you for reading this. Kind regards,d   Petros ---t Petros Dafniotis, PhDn pdafniotis@hotmail.com    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 09:41:10 -0400a0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>: Subject: Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed.C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-758CB3.09410925102000@news.compaq.com>e  G In article <8t6j8q$4km$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, pdafniotis@hotmail.com wrote:   E > For any printer forms (e.g. NUMBER_UP, HP4000_PORTRAIT, etc) where i< > are they stored? How do I find their names/syntax/purpose?  E If you are using DCPS, page formatting options such as number-up and aF page orientation are not forms, but command line options.  Please see + the DCPS User's Guide for more information.   H If you are not using DCPS, you would typically control page orientation B by putting the appropriate PostScript or PCL commands in a device A control module and specify them with a /FORM or /SETUP qualifier.t  E > Installation went fine, I even managed to create a Rawtcp queue on oD > an HP Printer, I tried to print and after a few seconds I got the E > message that the DCPS-Open license is needed to print to 3rd party e+ > printers? Do I really need this? And why?S  C Yes, the DCPS-OPEN license or the equivalent license from Advanced  A Server or PATHWORKS or NAS is required to print to "third-party" xF printers such as HP.  Printing to Compaq, Digital and certain Genicom $ printers does not require a license.   Paul   -- i,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:45:55 GMTO= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) : Subject: Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed.0 Message-ID: <009F21F0.D570161E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  H In article <8t6j8q$4km$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, pdafniotis@hotmail.com writes: >Hello-c >gG >I have just received my new Compaq Workstation XP1000 and having givenaB >up the cluster I had before I am in need to setup printer queues. >. >I have two questions:F >1. For any printer forms (e.g. NUMBER_UP, HP4000_PORTRAIT, etc) where >are they stored?   1 Typical default is in SYS$MANAGER:QMAN$MASTER.DATh    * >How do I find their names/syntax/purpose?   $ SHOW QUEUE/FORM/FULL    I >2. I first tried printing with the TELNET method. Worked ok. Then having<D >licenses for NAS 150 and NAS 250 (both clients I think) I installedF >DecPrint Supervisor (DCPS). Installation went fine, I even managed toI >create a Rawtcp queue on an HP Printer, I tried to print and after a fewbH >seconds I got the message that the DCPS-Open license is needed to printF >to 3rd party printers? Do I really need this? And why? PLEASE HELP if >you know anything about this.  / I'll defer the question of licensing to Compaq.e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.:   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 11:25:32 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.orga: Subject: Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed.+ Message-ID: <520pdeombWHx@eisner.decus.org>   H In article <8t6j8q$4km$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, pdafniotis@hotmail.com writes: > Hello- > H > I have just received my new Compaq Workstation XP1000 and having givenC > up the cluster I had before I am in need to setup printer queues.m >  > I have two questions: G > 1. For any printer forms (e.g. NUMBER_UP, HP4000_PORTRAIT, etc) wherev< > are they stored? How do I find their names/syntax/purpose?  = Printer "forms" are stored in the VMS queue manager database:2   	$ SHOW QUEUE /FORM /FULLr  8 Note that "NUMBER_UP" is not a form.  It is a parameter.  ! 	$ PRINT /FORM=NUMBER_UP file.txtt$ 	%PRINT-F-CREJOB, error creating job  	-JBC-E-NOSUCHFORM, no such form  ) 	$ PRINT /PARAMETER=NUMBER_UP=99 file.txt 4 	Job FILE (queue ZORCH, entry 1983) started on ZORCH  E By default you'll have a form named "DEFAULT" that ships with VMS and 1 a form named "DCPS$DEFAULT" that ships with DCPS.e  G There are a number of parameters that work with DCPS.  You can get some / information on them with $ HELP PRINT_PARAMETERe  C The only forms you'll have other than those mentioned above are theg4 forms that you create yourself using $ DEFINE /FORM.  @ When you create a form you can specify one or more setup modulesH ($ DEFINE /FORM /SETUP=) containing text, escape sequences or PostScriptE commands that will be inserted in front of your print job.  The setup B modules are extracted from a text library (.TLB) that is specifiedG when you initialize the queue (INIT /QUEUE /LIBRARY=).  If you're using C the packaged DCPS startup scripts, there's a parameter on the queuevI startup command that allows you to specify this "device control library".m  D The device control library can be specified as a logical name.  e.g.  O $ DEFINE /SYSTEM my_devctl DCPS$DEVCTL,CPS_MYORG_DEVCTL,"LN03_DEVCTL/DATA=ANSI"k% $ INIT /QUEUE my_queue /LIB=my_devctln  G The if an equivalence name has a /DATA=xxx suffix, that setup module is / interpreted through the appropriate translator.o  D You can list the contents of a text library with the $ LIBRARY /LIST command.  J > 2. I first tried printing with the TELNET method. Worked ok. Then havingE > licenses for NAS 150 and NAS 250 (both clients I think) I installed G > DecPrint Supervisor (DCPS). Installation went fine, I even managed to J > create a Rawtcp queue on an HP Printer, I tried to print and after a fewI > seconds I got the message that the DCPS-Open license is needed to print G > to 3rd party printers? Do I really need this? And why? PLEASE HELP if  > you know anything about this.   H Digital had the interesting idea of making DCPS free _if_ you were usingF it with Digital brand printers.  The plan was that printer sales wouldD fund the software product.  If you use a non-DEC printer, you're notE funding the software product and you have to pay.  The way you pay is- by buying a DCPS-Open license.  G At least that is my understanding of the scheme of things as of 5 years:< ago or so.  I don't know how today's licensing scheme works.  D Technically, I think you can evade the license by mucking about withF some code in DCPS$LIB so that you can convince your non-DEC printer toH respond with DEC codes or so that you can convince DCPS that the non-DECG responses are correct.  It's presumably a license violation (and hence,f+ at least a copyright violation) to do this.   & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:08:59 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog): Subject: Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed., Message-ID: <8t6t2b$bq2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  v In article <paul.r.anderson-758CB3.09410925102000@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes: >eD >Yes, the DCPS-OPEN license or the equivalent license from Advanced B >Server or PATHWORKS or NAS is required to print to "third-party" G >printers such as HP.  Printing to Compaq, Digital and certain Genicom r% >printers does not require a license.v  J Yet another piece of the ridiculous licensing conditions you folks need toJ dispense with - today.  It was a nice tool for forcing people to buy thoseK brands of printers, but near as I can tell, Compaq is now completely out ofmG the printer business, and DCPS is back inside Compaq.  So what possiblehK reason is there or trying to force people to buy Genicom printers or (used) I Compaq and Digital printers?  And much as they suck recently, HPs are therJ de facto standard brand of printers, not supporting them at the base levelD is pretty much equivalent to the statement "we don't care if you can print."   E By the way, I was in a Kinko's yesterday and noted that all of their "H computers, both Macs and PCs used appletalk to connect to the available J printers.  (And they have some very, very nice printers!)  The point beingD that setting up printers via TCP/IP is still a big PITA and it wouldH behoove the Q to do something about resuscitating at least the AppletalkH transport part of PW/Mac so that we could be assured that that method ofH connection would continue to be available.  How else is the Q ever goingJ to sell a VMS machine into a Kinko's shop (just dreaming, but one machine   per shop is a lot of machines!)    Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edud? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech oJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:26:14 GMTy= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)h: Subject: Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed.0 Message-ID: <009F21FE.D9280423@SendSpamHere.ORG>  K In article <520pdeombWHx@eisner.decus.org>, briggs@eisner.decus.org writes: I >In article <8t6j8q$4km$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, pdafniotis@hotmail.com writes:n	 >> Hello-n >>  I >> I have just received my new Compaq Workstation XP1000 and having giveneD >> up the cluster I had before I am in need to setup printer queues. >> e >> I have two questions:H >> 1. For any printer forms (e.g. NUMBER_UP, HP4000_PORTRAIT, etc) where= >> are they stored? How do I find their names/syntax/purpose?d >n> >Printer "forms" are stored in the VMS queue manager database: >F >	$ SHOW QUEUE /FORM /FULL >u9 >Note that "NUMBER_UP" is not a form.  It is a parameter.(  4 It could be if they defined a form called NUMBER_UP.     > " >	$ PRINT /FORM=NUMBER_UP file.txt% >	%PRINT-F-CREJOB, error creating job ! >	-JBC-E-NOSUCHFORM, no such forme > * >	$ PRINT /PARAMETER=NUMBER_UP=99 file.txt5 >	Job FILE (queue ZORCH, entry 1983) started on ZORCHF  C :)  99!!!  Hey John, I hope you keep your microscope close at hand.)   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMr            iO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:39:52 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog): Subject: Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed., Message-ID: <8t6us8$ddn@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  a In article <8t6t2b$bq2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:h >wF >By the way, I was in a Kinko's yesterday and noted that all of their I >computers, both Macs and PCs used appletalk to connect to the available  
 >printers.  I Apologies to non-US readers - Kinko's is a large chain of shops where youaJ can go to get just about anything printed or copied, starting from either A hardcopy or electronic media.  For more info see www.kinkos.com. F  B Every time I go there I come away with a bad case of printer envy.   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu7? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech :J **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:37:09 GMTv1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> > Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers2 Message-ID: <39F70DBB.5587105A@clarityconnect.com>  G What Steve was saying is that in theory it could happen but the chances B of it happening are related to the amount of time between the SHOWH command getting the entry number and the DELETE command being executed. F If this time is short, like back to back commands then the chances areH very, very small to almost non-existent. If the commands are done a long( time apart then the chance is greater.    H Usually we see more issues around SYNCHRONIZE using entry numbers or jobF names.  There it may be more common for a job to be created, the entryH number is saved and later SYNCHRONIZE is used.  In these cases the entryB number may indeed point ot a job different than the one originallyE created.  This is easily solved by having the original job created w/oH /RETAIN=ALL and then after the SYNCHRONIZE a DELETE/ENTRY command can be  done to remove the retained job.   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > H > "Is the following scenario possible?: You run SHOW ENTRY SOME_JOB, andG > unbeknownst to you the job finishes and another user starts a job andrE > that job gets the same entry number that SOME_JOB had, then you runII > DELETE/ENTRY entry-number (with the entry number obtained from the SHOW E > ENTRY SOME_JOB output), thereby deleting the wrong job! (This wouldaF > well be likely if the queueing system expanded its range of possible? > entry numbers only when each and every last one was in use.)"  > G > I am glad to see that VMS makes this all but impossible and apologizea8 > for not being more clear the first time. Thanks again. >  > [remainder omitted]t >  > -- > Disclaimer: JMHO > Alan E. Feldmant
 > alan48  &-)a
 > dellnet.come   -- eD Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:00:44 GMTn* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers) Message-ID: <8t73jn$jfc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>h  ) In article <8t56n3$3nn$1@hecate.umd.edu>,n   bleau@umtof.umd.edu wrote:G > In article <8t1ton$ano$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-s deja.com> writes:n	 > >Hello,r > >eG > >Suppose your queueing system entry numbers currently range from 1 toh > >1000. > [snip]G > >All 1000 numbers are in use. The range is still 1 thru 1000. You runiE > >SHOW ENTRY SOME_JOB and get output that gives the entry number andhF > >shows that it is executing. You then decide that you want to deleteE > >this job. But unbeknownst to you, it finishes before you enter thebC > >appropriate DELETE/ENTRY command. Meanwhile, another user startsvA > >another job that gets the same entry number. Then you run yourk1 > >DELETE/ENTRY command and delete the wrong job!h >sG > Others have answered this question in various ways.  I'll mention ones more@ > reason this is unlikely to happen that has not been mentioned: privilege.  YouXC > mention, in your scenerio, that "another user" starts another jobs that isdF > assigned the now-unused entry number.  Usually other users run under	 differenteD > usernames and UICs.  DELETE/ENTRY will not allow you to delete the job ofC > another user / UIC *unless* you have OPER privilege.  So, in yourc
 scenerio, then< > new job would remain, and you'd get an error message like: >t* > %DELETE-E-NOTDELETED, error deleting nnnE > -JBC-E-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or queue protection violation  >oE > Now, if all your users have OPER priv, all bets are off, and you'rea
 asking for > trouble.  Not recommended,  D Let me rephrase my question. You are the system manager. You want toB delete a job called SOME_JOB. So, you issue the command SHOW ENTRYD SOME_JOB to get its entry number. Then, only a few seconds later (itD takes a few seconds to type it and press RET), you issue the commandG "DELETE/ENTRY entry-number" to delete the job. My concern is whether itbD is possible that ***during those few seconds***, unbeknownst to you,B the job SOME_JOB just happens to complete, and then, subsequently,B another user submits a job that just happens to get the same entryD number. This would be possible if the queueing system waits until itG runs out of entry numbers before it expands the range of possible entry G numbers. And if it is possible, then it is also possible for the systemr< manager, or others with OPER priv., to delete the wrong job.  G Fortunately -- see Hoff's response -- the range is expanded well before F then, making this problem extremely unlikely to ever occur. Of course,D if the system manager waits several minutes or hours between issuing6 the two commands, well, that's not a good idea anyway.  C I hope I have been sufficiently clear this time and I apologize foro being too vague the first time.-   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldman: alan48  &-)  dellnet.comd    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:04:26 GMT1 From: gboado@nahuelsat.com.ar  Subject: Re: Shared data) Message-ID: <8t6p95$9nd$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  G I think I did it, but now when I try to run the image there is an erroriD message indicating that shared image <xxxx> was not found in <yyyy>.A But shared image <xxxx> is already installed in memory. Any idea?   . In article <1001024214356.2092A@Ives.egh.com>,#   John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote: 4 > On Tue, 24 Oct 2000 gboado@nahuelsat.com.ar wrote: >,B > > I am trying to rewrite the I/O modules of an application which sharesG > > data through a shared image. I haven't the source code, but runningi the/F > > DISM32 tool I could analyze the assembly language generated by the DECaD > > fortran compiler. How could I code in FORTRAN the access to this data?oF > > (my FORTRAN knowledge is almost NIL). I tried with a COMMON block, butdG > > it was compiled as static local data (I analyzed the code generatedPG > > using DISM32). I am running everything on a Vaxstation with OpenVMS  5.5.) > > Thank you very much for your support.r >eH > I'm not sure with Fortran, but in BASIC we use COMMONs and then changeH > the .psect attributes to "shr" in a linker options file.  For example, > the full options are:a >oH > psect_attr=foo_status,     long,pic,ovr,rel,gbl,shr,noexe,rd,wrt,novec >e- > where "foo_status" is the name of a common.S >H > --
 > John Santose > Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. > 781-861-0670 ext 539 >i >r    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.R   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 07:16:40 -0500e+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@COMPAQ.com>w' Subject: RE: Sun "uptime" belly laughereN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D8052848F8@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Shawn,  K Just curious, but based on your attached posting, how does a Sun cluster doeI patches with rolling updates without disconnecting any active users or db 4 connections i.e. no use of the "F" word (fail-over)?  L Given that the industry is moving towards 100% application availability thatH INCLUDES scheduled system downtime (all vendor 99.9999999 numbers do NOTG include scheduled system downtime which is now becoming unacceptable toeI mission critical applications), this is going to be a critical feature in  the future.   J OpenVMS clusters can do this by allowing current users to complete work onE their active system, but force all new user / db connections to otheruI systems in the cluster. When all current connections are completed (usersqF went home etc), then that system can be shutdown with ZERO applicationE availability impact. Cluster HW is designed such that in a three nodec@ cluster, any two nodes can carry peak loads for short durations.  J re: >>> it's a shame that very few people are developing for it anymore.<<  C That might have been somewhat true about two years ago, but that isDE certainly not the case today. Here are just a few recent examples andj
 testimonials:t  E http://www.iseoptions.com/about/technology_compaq.html (InternationalqD Security Exchange is a NEW Customer that just went live in May 2000)& http://www.cognos.com/adtpci/ (Cognos)6 http://www.cognos.com/products/powerhouse/compaq.html L <http://www.attunity.com/content/newsevents/detail.asp?catid=6&scatid=20&o=1- 07&y=01/01/2000&h=1> (formerly ISG Navigator) D http://www.openvms.compaq.com/gsseries/quotes.html (Recent GS Series (Wildfire) Quotes I http://platforms.oracle.com/com/index_com.htm (New Oracle IAS on OpenVMS)fJ http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/index.html?228177.html (Oracle press release)E http://www.sanchez.com/news/pr000713.htm (Sanchez - OpenVMS or Tru64) A http://www.compaq.com/alphaserver/gs/quotes/etrade.html (E*Trade)UF http://www.e-dbms.com/analysts/2000/benchmark.html (Intersystems Cache	 database)   % Anyway .. above are just a few .. :-)k  L Since you mentioned that you like using OpenVMS, I would invite you to check? out the recent new look OpenVMS web pages and announcements at r http://www.openvms.compaq.com/E http://www.compaq.com/newsroom/pr/2000/pr2000100301.html (Oct 3 pressoI release outlining 20 year commitment, free licenses for Education market,sJ X.500 directory with Entrust certification being bundled free with OS, and many others..)? http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness_without_compromise.htmli   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantE Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesg Voice: 613-592-4660t Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com       -----Original Message-----D From: shawbrow@delilah.cisco.com [mailto:shawbrow@delilah.cisco.com] Sent: October 24, 2000 9:54 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.ComD' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugherD    ) In article <8t22fk$f71$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,t- Jordan Henderson  <jordan@my-deja.com> wrote:x >fB >But, we've been told that you can patch Solaris with no downtime,) >just like you can with OpenVMS clusters.t  C Sure you can.  You can patch a suncluster or a vcs cluster by doingi rolling upgrades.  La de da.  % >What is it that you are doing wrong?S  D Don't be a jackass.  Apparently that's fairly difficult for you, but lets try.  OK?  B I actually *like* openvms.  I run it as a hobbyist because it's anD interesting operating system.  And as far as clusters go, openvms isC king, no doubt.  I was simply providing anecdotal evidence contraryiB to the original posters claim of instability on Sun.  We maintain 2 really nice uptimes with our Sun boxes, thank you.  F I would love to run openvms in production.  But it's a shame that very) few people are developing for it anymore.    Shawns   --G Shawn Brown | shawnb@cisco.com | +1 919 392 7481 | http://www.cisco.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 13:49:12 GMT / From: "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net>t5 Subject: Re: System & Network (???) node Mgt training D Message-ID: <sxBJ5.670$5b4.49064@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>  < To be honest, I am having a hard time imagining their faces.  L Either they are elated and surprised at how easy it is to copy the node dataL base from one phaseIV node to both the volatile and the permanenet data base on their local node,  J Or they are dissapointed that their instructors are teaching them phase IVK commands on a phase V system.  Regardless of who supplied the material,  iftE this is the case,  one would think that the instructors were a little  negligent in their preparation.   K Now, when are you Europeans going to get the value of that darned Euro backt/ to a respectable level?  (no flame, just fact).c  = "Didier Morandi" <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> wrote in messagee$ news:39F67368.E2BDAE81@Easynet.fr...D > I'm attending this week an update of my "knowledge" on SysMgt withF > OpenVMS 7 in Paris. GKN received the 6.2 training stuff from COMPAQ. >DI > Can you imagine the face of the students when they tried to ncp cop kno  > nod from FRED to both ???u >i% > The training is more that US$ 2000.i >n, > (no flame, no pun, no nothing, just fact). >p > D.   ------------------------------  / Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 08:42:02 +0200 (MET DST)t& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?6 Message-ID: <200010250638.IAA20218@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  A my OpenVMS dream machine should be an AlphaStation ES40 with fourrB CPUs, 32GB memory and a lot of disk space for an apple and an egg.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 00:49 CSTa' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)tH Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?- Message-ID: <25OCT200000490344@gerg.tamu.edu>r   helbig@astro.rug.nl writes...g }In article <rdeininger-2410001310490001@user-2ive7lp.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:L }> In article <8t3vmm$3h8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote: }>  2 }> > Bob and Alice are students at a university.   }> iC }> Aren't Bob and Alice each supposed to get their own educational r? }> license, and install it where ever they need it?  Silly and a( }> inconvenient, but not insurmountable. } J }Possibility one:  Each person with a license has a machine of their own. J }Obviously not the way to go, since each user will have to manage his own E }machine.  Possibility two:  Each person can install his single-user *F }license ON THE SAME MACHINE AS ANOTHER USER.  Is this really what is C }meant?  If so, this should be spelled out; discussion here in the 6I }newsgroup has shown that, up until now, NO-ONE hase interpreted it this uA }way.  Also, what's the point as opposed to a multi-user license?D  ? This is exactly how I always interpreted it. Each person gets ae@ user-specific license and the license is loaded on a system - be> it their own personal system or one shared with N other users.C The license manager should be able to handle a large number of user0 specific licenses.    C This would be inconvenient if what you want is to have the students>C in a class each have an account - they would each have to get theirRC own license, and a class full of people's licenses would have to beh< loaded onto the instructional system/cluster every semester.  E I have no idea as to why they don't give out multi-user licenses too,tD or instead. (So instead of having, say, 30 students for a class eachF asking for a license every semester Comaq would only have to deal withF one instructor asking for a 30-user license once - or perhaps once perE year, if they expire like CSLG licenses do. I would expect this to be  much easier to administer.))  D (So now we know what Bob and Alice are up to, but what about Ted and Carol?)a   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 14:55:22 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)H Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?, Message-ID: <8t6s8q$bq2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  [ In article <8t4kij$9m8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:  >In article <rdeininger-2410001310490001@user-2ive7lp.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes: >oL >> In article <8t3vmm$3h8$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl wrote: >>  2 >> > Bob and Alice are students at a university.   >> CC >> Aren't Bob and Alice each supposed to get their own educational e? >> license, and install it where ever they need it?  Silly and a( >> inconvenient, but not insurmountable. >rJ >Possibility one:  Each person with a license has a machine of their own. J >Obviously not the way to go, since each user will have to manage his own E >machine.  Possibility two:  Each person can install his single-user eF >license ON THE SAME MACHINE AS ANOTHER USER.  Is this really what is C >meant?  If so, this should be spelled out; discussion here in the  I >newsgroup has shown that, up until now, NO-ONE hase interpreted it this *A >way.  Also, what's the point as opposed to a multi-user license?*  E The folks at Compaq claim to be still working on the details of this vJ program, and even though there's a web page, this program apparently isn'tK available yet. It's supposed to be out in Q4 2000.  (Which is now, just to i add to the confusion.)  F It's taking these guys a frightfully long time to put this together.  H I knew the Q was none too quick on it's feet, but watching them put thisG program together makes me think of a fully loaded tanker trying to turneG away from the shoreline which lies dead ahead.  Companies that are thata; slow and ponderous are also liable to end up on the rocks. i   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edul? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech bJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.597 ************************