1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 26 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 598       Contents: Re: Backup Software  Re: Broadcasting and UCX Compaq's brand image Re: Compaq's brand image Re: Compaq's brand image Re: Compaq's brand image Re: Compaq's brand image Re: Compaq's brand image Re: Compaq's brand image  Re: Copy Users to Another SystemP Re: DCPS licensing and AppleTalk (was Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently P Re: DCPS licensing and AppleTalk (was Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently  DECNET PLUS - Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?) % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400  Re: Fortune cookies? Re: Gigabit Ethernet question " Re: How many files are on my disk?& Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPS& Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPS# Kirby McCoy's File System Internals ' Re: Kirby McCoy's File System Internals ' Re: Kirby McCoy's File System Internals ' Re: Kirby McCoy's File System Internals  license problems Re: license problems Re: license problems Mirroring on HSx controllers Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge" Re: OpenVMS Technical Resource Kit PCL escape sequenses Re: PCL escape sequenses Re: PCL escape sequenses Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: popquestion 1 Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed.  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers # RZ26 dual port with one cable only? ' Re: RZ26 dual port with one cable only? ' Re: RZ26 dual port with one cable only?  SETI crashed my 500au - why ? ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ? ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?  Re: Shared data  Re: Shared data  Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher, Re: System & Network (???) node Mgt training Re: TCP/IP and load balancing  VMS 7.2 and CMUIP 6.6  Re: VMS 7.2 and CMUIP 6.6  Re: VMS Software Mirroring?  RE: VMS Software Mirroring?  Re: VMS Software Mirroring? ! What is SQL-DEV Hobbyist License? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? ? Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package? 4 ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to  VMS 7.2-18 Re: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to  VMS 7.2-1  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:12:59 GMT  From: rbirming@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Backup Software) Message-ID: <8t7bbk$qo1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,   7  I have used Tapesys quite abit in the past. It is very 8  Reliable and was the most commonly used backup, restore3  media management product when VMS was the top dog. ;  The support is excellent. I have not used ABS, so I cannot   comment on that.   4  With Tapesys once you have your .SBK files defined,-  you are running in a lights out environment.   6  As far as the amount of data you are backing up goes,:  Tapesys can handle any amount. The amount of data you are=  backing up has more to do with the selection of the jukebox.   =  If you go with Software Partners, Tell Phil Rose said hello.     ) In article <8rabpb$p96$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,    v.abrams@gte.net wrote: B > I need to buy Backup Software for unattended backup using a tapeE > jukebox. I am currently thinking of ABS from Compaq or Tapesys from H > Software Partners. I back up approximately 140 GB which will double in > the next few years.  > A > Does anyone have any recommendations from your own experience ?  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:58:58 GMT  From: mindphaser23@my-deja.com! Subject: Re: Broadcasting and UCX ) Message-ID: <8t7e1s$t65$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   > > Have you tried a $ UCX SET [CONF] INT ZE0/BR=255.255.255.2550 > after running the config procedure initially ? >  > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 > > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netA > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a  realist" >   A Thanks for the reply. I tried the above command, but I receive an  invalid broadcast mask error.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:36:09 GMT  From: kparris@my-deja.com  Subject: Compaq's brand image ) Message-ID: <8t7g7o$v8g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D During the Compaq Listens session at CETS2000, Rich Marcello used anA illustration about quality, asking whether we would rather have a D Nissan or a Lexus.  In doing so, I think he unconciously pointed out: Compaq's biggest present problem, and a possible solution.  B Compaq took quick steps to eradicate any trace of the Digital logoF after the takeover, but kept Tandem, and even more-broadly applied theB NonStop logo (although losing some credibility lately by trying toH apply it to ProLiant servers, a laughable strategy to all but PC folks).  A My theory is that the eradication of the Digital logo and not the C Tandem logo occurred because Tandem didn't make PCs.  Digital _did_ D make PCs, and Compaq, being a PC company, knew the Digital trademarkF only as it represented 3rd-rate Olivetti clones.  They knew nothing ofB the positive reputation the Digital trademark had in the mid-rangeD computer marketplace, so they threw away the value of all that brand recognition.  A Now they're trying to convince the world that Compaq is really an E enterprise systems vendor, not a PC vendor.  I think they're actually C diluting the value of the Compaq brand in the process.  Many people E have a positive impression of the Compaq brand based on their success G and good reputation in the PC server marketplace, but in the attempt to F remake Compaq's brand image, there is real danger that folks may thinkA Compaq is no longer focused, or may be neglecting its traditional  markets.  B The Japanese automakers faced a similar challenge a few years ago.C They had strong and positive brand images representing small, high- B quality economy cars, but wanted to break into the high-end luxury@ market and compete with BMW and Mercedes.  Rather than trying toC convince everyone in the United States that Nissan was now a luxury E automobile maker, for example, Nissan created Infiniti, Honda created 5 Acura, Toyota created Lexus, and the rest is history. G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospam F VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:00:36 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> ! Subject: Re: Compaq's brand image , Message-ID: <39F77421.31FA951F@videotron.ca>   kparris@my-deja.com wrote:D > Compaq took quick steps to eradicate any trace of the Digital logoH > after the takeover, but kept Tandem, and even more-broadly applied the > NonStop logo  F Well, consider all the ill will that Palmer had generated and how manyG customers had sworn never to buy anything from Digital again, and I can I understand how Compaq's initial reaction would have been to dump the name " ASAP, instead of trying to fix it.  K Also, remember that Compaq bought Tandem as a second choice because at that I time, Digital had not been downsized enough to allow Compaq to buy it.  I N think thet Pfeiffer was just on a buying spree, and ended up with Tandem which@ had no real assets of value to Compaq, so Tandem was left alone.  N But when it bought Digital, the only assets of worth was the service division,I and that is something Compaq had wanted for itself. All the rest had been N labeled "dying, legacy, not worth keeping". So to Compaq, was there really any* reason to keep that "Digital" brand name ?  H Perhaps Compaq should have move all the Digital stuff (VMS, UNIX) to the Tandem brand name ?     H > only as it represented 3rd-rate Olivetti clones.  They knew nothing ofD > the positive reputation the Digital trademark had in the mid-rangeF > computer marketplace, so they threw away the value of all that brand > recognition.  N No. I beleive that they were lead to beleive that the Digital brand name was aL liability. After all, Pfeiffer had asked Bobby GQ Palmer to kill off as muchK of Digital as possible to make Digital purchasable by Compaq. So Compaq was H aware that Digital had been massacred and that customers had lost faith.   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 01:14:18 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>! Subject: Re: Compaq's brand image 8 Message-ID: <KzLJ5.858$Cn4.4760@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39F77421.31FA951F@videotron.ca... > kparris@my-deja.com wrote:F > > Compaq took quick steps to eradicate any trace of the Digital logoJ > > after the takeover, but kept Tandem, and even more-broadly applied the > > NonStop logo > H > Well, consider all the ill will that Palmer had generated and how manyI > customers had sworn never to buy anything from Digital again, and I can K > understand how Compaq's initial reaction would have been to dump the name $ > ASAP, instead of trying to fix it.  H The decision to perform a radical DECectomy had little if anything to doL with the malpractice, real or imagined, of Doc Palmer. Compaq ran a bunch ofE focus group meetings with CEOs and other bigwigs and learned that the > Digital name closed doors whilst the Compaq name opened doors.   > H > Also, remember that Compaq bought Tandem as a second choice because at thatK > time, Digital had not been downsized enough to allow Compaq to buy it.  I J > think thet Pfeiffer was just on a buying spree, and ended up with Tandem which B > had no real assets of value to Compaq, so Tandem was left alone. >   H What's more, Compaq hadn't been upsized enuff to acquire DEC. Seriously,L though, Compaq bought Tandem as an entre into the enterprise space. The firmJ wisely decided to leave the Tandem unit pretty much alone for the first 18. months or so, which was probably just as well.  K As for "no assets," access to accounts like AOL, the vast majority of stock H exchanges, etc; not to mention the telco goodies which finally are being$ leveraged, seems likes assets to me.  F > But when it bought Digital, the only assets of worth was the service	 division, K > and that is something Compaq had wanted for itself. All the rest had been L > labeled "dying, legacy, not worth keeping". So to Compaq, was there really any , > reason to keep that "Digital" brand name ?  I Now isn't that ironic? If the service division was the crown jewel in the H acquisition, why in hell is it that the Alpha and storage businesses are, growing while services are essentially flat? > J > Perhaps Compaq should have move all the Digital stuff (VMS, UNIX) to the > Tandem brand name ?   F Well, that would have been a tad better than one of the original names proposed for Tandem...   Dandi Data.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:02:22 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ! Subject: Re: Compaq's brand image - Message-ID: <39F790AE.FE61B281@earthlink.net>    kparris@my-deja.com wrote: > F > During the Compaq Listens session at CETS2000, Rich Marcello used anC > illustration about quality, asking whether we would rather have a  > Nissan or a Lexus. [snip]  D If it was affordable, I would care - as long as the feature sets are equivalent and/or comparable.    [snip]C > Now they're trying to convince the world that Compaq is really an G > enterprise systems vendor, not a PC vendor.  I think they're actually E > diluting the value of the Compaq brand in the process.  Many people G > have a positive impression of the Compaq brand based on their success I > and good reputation in the PC server marketplace, but in the attempt to H > remake Compaq's brand image, there is real danger that folks may thinkC > Compaq is no longer focused, or may be neglecting its traditional 
 > markets.  F I asked someone (I don't recall his name just now) after the "listens"H panel about this. I was told that their strategy is to present Compaq inH the same light as the world seems to view IBM - a vendor of all sizes of  systems, desktop to data center.   D > The Japanese automakers faced a similar challenge a few years ago.E > They had strong and positive brand images representing small, high- D > quality economy cars, but wanted to break into the high-end luxuryB > market and compete with BMW and Mercedes.  Rather than trying toE > convince everyone in the United States that Nissan was now a luxury G > automobile maker, for example, Nissan created Infiniti, Honda created 7 > Acura, Toyota created Lexus, and the rest is history.   F Personally, I agree. "Corporate identity confusion" has never enhancedH any company's stock price or financial position, at least as far as I've
 ever seen.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:33:28 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ! Subject: Re: Compaq's brand image - Message-ID: <39F797F8.B632C81B@earthlink.net>    "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:  > < > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message( > news:39F77421.31FA951F@videotron.ca... > > kparris@my-deja.com wrote:H > > > Compaq took quick steps to eradicate any trace of the Digital logoL > > > after the takeover, but kept Tandem, and even more-broadly applied the > > > NonStop logo > > J > > Well, consider all the ill will that Palmer had generated and how manyK > > customers had sworn never to buy anything from Digital again, and I can M > > understand how Compaq's initial reaction would have been to dump the name & > > ASAP, instead of trying to fix it. > J > The decision to perform a radical DECectomy had little if anything to doN > with the malpractice, real or imagined, of Doc Palmer. Compaq ran a bunch ofG > focus group meetings with CEOs and other bigwigs and learned that the @ > Digital name closed doors whilst the Compaq name opened doors.  5 Then perhaps they should have taken a broader sample.   C On at least one of my current (soon to be former) client sites, the E Digital name closes doors while the Compaq name welds them shut. They F are currently in the process of replacing their < 200MHz DEC pc's withD IBM pc's. Prioris and Celebris machines are likewise yielding to IBM	 hardware.    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 03:09:04 GMT& From: bugs@netcom.com (Mark Hittinger)! Subject: Re: Compaq's brand image 2 Message-ID: <8t878g$9nb$1@slb7.atl.mindspring.net>  G >> But when it bought Digital, the only assets of worth was the service 
 >division,L >> and that is something Compaq had wanted for itself. All the rest had beenM >> labeled "dying, legacy, not worth keeping". So to Compaq, was there really  >any- >> reason to keep that "Digital" brand name ?   M Keep in mind that there was also a legal settlement between Intel and Digital K over Intel's theft of certain patented semiconductor fabrication technology 
 from Digital.q  J There was quite a large settlement.  Intel purchased a number of fabs fromH Digital, paid an additional 1.7 billion dollars in cash to Digital, and J entered in to a long term agreement to supply discounted chips to Digital.F The specifics of this deal were never made public as far as I'm aware.  ; Talk about getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar.e  J Shortly after this settlement agreement between Intel and Digital we beganK to see Compaq express an interest in Digital as an acquisition.  I wonderedrN at the time if Compaq's real interest was in Digital's long term chip discountH deal with Intel.  Given the cash hoard the acquisition was super easy to+ finance, you might even say it was a steal.   L Digital had a number of _very_ nice assets of worth, not just service.  Look- a little deeper, there is a lot more to this.e   Later    Mark Hittinger	 Earthlinkt bugs@netcom.comm   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:31:06 -0400:- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t! Subject: Re: Compaq's brand image , Message-ID: <39F7A578.9F919055@videotron.ca>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote:H > Personally, I agree. "Corporate identity confusion" has never enhancedJ > any company's stock price or financial position, at least as far as I've > ever seen.  L In the case of cars, they have. For many cities around the world, especiallyM Hong Kong/Singapore, cars are a big vanity item. The Rolls is the luxury car, T BMWs are normal cars, and the toyotas are the disposable cars you give to your wife.  K In the USA, it isn't as bad, but when you look at large cities with lots ornH money, the car is a status symbol and many buy the name before the case.+ Hence, the Lexus analogy is valid for cars.   M In terms of computers, while I would like to say that vanity isn't a case anddF people buy computers "logically", I have to admit that the purchas eof, computers is just as emotional, if not more.  * "Nobody's ever been fired for buying IBM".N "If we don't buy Windows, we won't be able to talk with the rest of the world"8 "Windows is the leader, the best, we have to go windows"  H I have seen brainwashed-windows IS managers choose Compaq exlusively andK blindly. "I don't car what solutions you choose, as long as it is on Compaqb. hardware and running only microsoft software".  5 Unfortunatly, it does seem like IMAGE IS EVERYTHING. e  M To us, Compaq has not earned the "enterprise" and "serious" image. But to thesG general public, it has a great image for some reason. Compaq has yet towJ convince its enterprise customers that it is serious about being more than just a PC company.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:30:14 -0700 = From: Bill MacAllister <bill.macallister@prideindustries.com>a) Subject: Re: Copy Users to Another Systemc3 Message-ID: <39F726B6.E8B752E7@prideindustries.com>w   Vitor Sarabando wrote:   > Hi...t >gB > I'm Trying to copy users from one system to another, does anyone< > knows how it's done or do i have to create them by scratch >X > Thanks >a > Vitor Sarabando  > vss@liscont.pt  B Assuming you are moving everyone to the new system and the currentA accounts on the new system don't matter, then you need to get the 
 following:  $   sysuaf.dat (usually in sys$system)'   rightlist.dat (usually in sys$system)u-   vmsmail_profile.dat (usually in sys$system)3  > and of course the users files with backup.  Now if for default directorieseG in sysyuaf you did not use some logical naming scheme you will probablyn have/ a lot of work to do to clean up their accounts.   D Note, a simple way to do the movement is to form a temporary clusterE with the old system as a satellite of the new one.  Then moving files * around requires just simple copy commands.   Bill   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 16:57:46 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)Y Subject: Re: DCPS licensing and AppleTalk (was Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently o3 Message-ID: <RTjSQSg9MnbH@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>e  D In article <paul.r.anderson-71B847.12314325102000@news.compaq.com>, 7     	Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes:n [...]nG > I agree with you.  This has been a favorite topic of mine off and on eI > over the last three years.  Perhaps now that I'm back at Compaq things aJ > could change in this regard, but a lot of people got involved in seeing D > if PATHWORKS for OpenVMS (Macintosh) could survive in one form or I > another and the closest we got was the aborted effort by SRI last year d > to revive the product.  H         The point is, we don't need Pathworks  for Mac, we just need the;     Appletalk transport!  On all my (core) systems, I just,n  !         	@SYS$STARTUP:ATK$STARTUP   H     during  SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.    I   don't   do   any   other   of  theH     MSA*$STARTUP.COM's  at  all.  We don't need Mac print  services;  weH     don't need Mac file services; we don't need Mac disk  services;  andH     we don't need whatever MSAX was.  We just need ATK for the printers.H     Trouble  was,  SRI  was  trying to do the whole package.  There just*     isn't enough demand for that any more.  H         Howver, even if  ATK  get's  renewed  official support, we stillH     have  to  deal  with  the network-nazis who  will  no  longer  route     Appletalk...  :-(i           -Ken -- eM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:33:25 GMT 2 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>Y Subject: Re: DCPS licensing and AppleTalk (was Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently  7 Message-ID: <pZKJ5.7299$Qz2.116146@typhoon.aracnet.com>   U Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515 <Fairfield@slac.stanford.edu> wrote:eJ >         The point is, we don't need Pathworks  for Mac, we just need the= >     Appletalk transport!  On all my (core) systems, I just,y  # >         	@SYS$STARTUP:ATK$STARTUP   J >     during  SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM.    I   don't   do   any   other   of  theJ >     MSA*$STARTUP.COM's  at  all.  We don't need Mac print  services;  weJ >     don't need Mac file services; we don't need Mac disk  services;  andJ >     we don't need whatever MSAX was.  We just need ATK for the printers.J >     Trouble  was,  SRI  was  trying to do the whole package.  There just, >     isn't enough demand for that any more.  J >         Howver, even if  ATK  get's  renewed  official support, we stillJ >     have  to  deal  with  the network-nazis who  will  no  longer  route >     Appletalk...  :-(h  C An interesting question might be how much longer will the AppletalkzG transport be of any use.  I'm not talking about how much longer the olddH Pathworks for Mac software will continue to run on OpenVMS.  I'm talkingK about the fact that if I understand correctly the old Appletalk protocal isrJ dead in Mac OS X and that only Appletalk over IP is supported.  Simply putJ there are Mac users out there wondering how *they* are going to be able to print.    L Do I know what I'm talking about?  No, I haven't a clue.  I do know that theJ Mac OS X beta is unable to see the Appletalk shares I've got exported on a VMS server.    			ZaneO   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 16:54:02 -0700C0 From: Carol McGeehon <clmcgeeh@co.douglas.or.us> Subject: DECNET PLUS0 Message-ID: <39F77299.EBB8ECA8@co.douglas.or.us>  F I have DecNet Phase V configured on my system and am using OpenVMS 7.1F on a VAX 4000 300 and have 90L+ terminal servers connected to the Vax.  H I have been using the SET HOST/MOP  DS44 to connect to a terminal serverG named under DecNet Phase IV.  I have been using this successfully sinces we moved the Phase V.   @ Recently, I tried the SET HOST/MOP DS44 command and received the following error message:  # %CCR-F-UNRCIR, unrecognized circuiti  G Does anyone know where I might start looking for why this error messagea
 is coming up?o   Any help will be appreciated   Carol McGeehon Technical Services Douglas County Library System    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:38:29 -0400n- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c6 Subject: Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?), Message-ID: <39F736B2.2F8B05EF@videotron.ca>  + re: using a static address as a request ID.u  I There are many applications which use the request-ID parameter to pass aneG argument to the AST routine that is called when the timer expires. This L argument can be a value, or the address to a structure that contains a whole bunch of stuff.   N (This is even documented in the VMS docset as a way to pass an argument to the AST from $SETIMER)  K If the static address used as an request ID is not passed as an argument tonK any other routines, then it should be pretty safe since called routines aredK not going to have access to that address and hence can't generate a $SETIMRs with it.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:50:20 +0200n. From: Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl>. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 34000 Message-ID: <20001025205020.A17192@lodz.tpsa.pl>  : On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 at  1:10:36 +0000, Chris Chiesa wrote:H > This ran against the CPU card's built-in "thinwire" (coaxial) EthernetI > port until a few months ago, then that "died" and he had to switch over M > to using the built-in "thickwire" Ethernet port and a thickwire-to-thinwire  > transceiver.E I have two microVAXen 3400 with this "illness". I have to replace one F small IC on KA processor front board. This chip is responsible for BNC- interface. And coax ethernet is alive again.  I AUI interface of 3400s does not depend on this IC so has been working OK..E Only once I had to replace damaged AUI/BNC transceiver (so it was noti microVAX fault).  @ Please check thinwire transceivers and cables, terminators etc.   , >  Now THAT has died, and he's called ME in.& What THAT? Transceiver? AUI interface?  K > Neither panned out and all I could suggest was, "replace the CPU card" toi2 > get a whole new pair of built-in Ethernet ports.  F You can choose interface (BNC or AUI) but there is only _one_ ethernetE port in microVAX 3400, not _pair_. You can not use BNC and AUI at the-
 same time.  I >    2) ALL 3400 CPUs (KA-630? 640?  I don't remember) "expire" vis-a-vis M > their on board Ethernet capabilities, around this point in their lifetimes.e  H I dont think so. My microVAXen are working without "ethernet expiration"? for several years (and will work for another several - I hope).o    B Marcin Szczecinski                             marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl VMS Administratort   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 05:15:36 +0100t  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch> Subject: Re: Fortune cookies?g+ Message-ID: <VA.00000125.13613151@sture.ch>t  = In article <01JSBAODBLXE002B0K@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>,  wrote:n' > From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auc > 	 > Martin,e > P > >> Any fortune cookie or "quote of the day" is remarkably easy to write in anyL > >> language.  The major problem is in increasing your "quotes" database.   > >gD > > Yup, and the good thing about this version is that it comes with  > > quite a number of quotes ;-) > >  > >> I haveBS > >> lost track of where colleagues picked up quotes from.  I know that one source h > is- > >> Art Ragosta's database of pithy sayings.s > >>  P > >> If anyone needs a copy of what we have collected, email me because I do notR > >> think any are copyright.  Pithy comments from Art and colleagues, and others,O > >> and newspaper headlines, some added from .au papers that are as bad as any:- > >> others.  (Art, do you have a copyright?)j > >R@ > > Definitly interested, can you make it available for download > > somewhere? > T I've dug out this rather old posting because I just came across the original cookie ) program that I knew yesterday. Here goes:G  
 $ r cookie% Don't worry if you're a kleptomaniac, % you can always take something for it. " $ dir/da=(cre,mod)/size cookie.exe   Directory DKA0:[PAUL]p  N COOKIE.EXE;1              53   9-SEP-1980 00:00:00.00   3-SEP-1996 10:46:56.47   Total of 1 file, 53 blocks.e  J (obviously copied from tape at some point, because of the null time field)   $ analyze/image cookie .  .  .   Image Identification Information  E                 image name: "COOhhh"   <-- the last 3 bytes are nullsr* ***  Symbol contains invalid character(s).1                 image file identification: "NONE"c7                 link date/time:  7-JUL-1978 08:28:35.02c.                 linker identification: "01.hh"  S Look at that. 1978, and it still runs on VAX/VMS 7.2! I'll clearly have to dig out o* VEST to get it running on an Alpha :-) :-)  R And speaking of nostalgia, does anyone know the whereabouts of plane.exe ("you've O landed in the cornfield"), and trek.exe? IIRC, both from the late seventies or a1 early eighties, and still ran on (at least) V5.2.i ___y
 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:25:11 +0200t, From: "Nico van der Boom" <njvdboom@caiw.nl>& Subject: Re: Gigabit Ethernet question- Message-ID: <8t7bro$17rl$1@news.kabelfoon.nl>   : "John Nixon" <jorlnixon@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message? news:980J5.3738$UL.236569@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...eF > I have ordered some PCI gigabit ethernet adapters for a GS140 and anK > Alphaserver 2100a (VMS 7.2-1).  We have had a communications failure (thedL > human kind) and I was under the impression we had gigabit capability. I amH > told we do, but not enough.  We will have to order new modules for the/ > switches and run some new fiber optic cables.h >rJ > I was then asked if Compaq will provide the new gigabit over copper that isJ > coming.  Supposedly that will be cheaper and easier for us to implement. InL > my naievity, I was not aware that Compaq's gigabit ethernet required fiberL > optic cables.  The product description says it runs over existing ethernet > technologies.a >mL > If anyone understands my confusion, can you shed some light?  (I sure wish Ia7 > had a good ole S&O catalog to look this stuff up in).s >u   Maybe the information is here : C http://www5.compaq.com/alphaserver/networking/quickspecs/index.html   A http://www5.compaq.com/products/quickspecs/10479_na/10479_na.HTMLrK  Connections SC fiber connector for 62.5/125 micron fiber, or 50/125 micronc MMFT  
 good luck,   Nico van der Booms   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:33:33 -0500-7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>c+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?s, Message-ID: <39F789ED.3E12C8C@earthlink.net>   Matthias Maisenbacher wrote: >  > Hi,. > $ > yes, I know about dir /grand [...] > D > But, is there a more efficient way of getting the number of Files?  H The only other way, if you'd care to write it, is to read the INDEXF.SYSH file and, for each file header flagged as in use in the INDEXF's bitmap,D track the number of headers where the "next header" link all zeroes.F THAT would tell how many FILES are on the disk, as opposed to how many! file headers are actually in use.e  C Actually, I think DFU does this now. I dunno. My hobbyist system ise< powered down right now, pending a revision to the disk farm.  7 > Shouldn't the disk 'know' how many files it contains?n  % Not unless you do as described above.    --   David J. Dachteraq dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/t  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.o   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:33:36 GMTnL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr")/ Subject: Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPS 8 Message-ID: <009F2221.67A00574@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  8 In article <009F2167.494DAF0F@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,N winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  / [snippage of problem description with HP4050TN]i  6 I have to apologize for wasting Paul's and Ken's time.  L My colleague who was going to switch the Jetdirect cards between the workingJ and non-working printers just power-cycled the non-working printer, and it! started working happily via DCPS.e  N Apparently the Postscript interpreter had gotten into some terminally confused* state that was cleared by the power cycle.  L My VMS background keeps me from thinking "Oh, reboot it and try it again" as the first thing to do.   -- Alan     O ===============================================================================e0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056rM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210 O ===============================================================================e   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 17:06:52 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)/ Subject: Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPSc3 Message-ID: <DLbsero8pVFv@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>r  9 In article <009F2221.67A00574@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>,  S     	winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") writes:  [...]eN > My colleague who was going to switch the Jetdirect cards between the workingL > and non-working printers just power-cycled the non-working printer, and it# > started working happily via DCPS.n > P > Apparently the Postscript interpreter had gotten into some terminally confused, > state that was cleared by the power cycle.  H         I've seen  that  happen  on  our  HP8000DN.   It happen (severalH     times)  when I tried printing a Postscript file (from VMS) that  theH     printer couldn't interpret, and I believe I've also seen  it  happenH     with  files  printed  from PC's (via lpr/lpd to the VMS DCPS queue).H     Seems like yet another "glitch" in HP's Postscript emulator, sigh...           -Ken -- CM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu :  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:03:26 GMT0! From: Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com>l, Subject: Kirby McCoy's File System Internals) Message-ID: <8t7ea8$thn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  1 Anyone know where I can get a cheap or free copy?w     Fatz.a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 17:30:26 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)0 Subject: Re: Kirby McCoy's File System Internals+ Message-ID: <H9py0O8dJfCF@eisner.decus.org>a  M In article <8t7ea8$thn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com> writes: 3 > Anyone know where I can get a cheap or free copy?  >  >  > Fatz.u >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.3  < You could use dealtime.com and submit the ISBN:  1555580564   + I came back with this url which may go bad:m  = http://media17.dealtime.com/evenbetterbin/nph-evenbetter8.cgio< ?type=1&acses_item=1555580564&list_price=59.95&idcode=214600C &info_1=VMS+Files+Systems+Internals&info_2=Author%3A+McCoy%2C+Kirbys. &info_3=Paper+Text&info_4=Butterworth-Heineman  1 (Note:  above URL is one long line... make it so)-  H If you don't mind used, I see prices of $27 including shipping.  New, itG will cost you $57 including shipping.  Didn't find anything on eBay and 4 it was even up and searchable!  Mark your calanders!   Rob    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:42:21 +0100d  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com0 Subject: Re: Kirby McCoy's File System InternalsH Message-ID: <OF3B0539D4.7A16844B-ON80256983.007CAB8A@qedi.quintiles.com>  K Only place I've seen it is Foyles bookshop in London.  It's about 45 poundsh GB sterling.        2 Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com> on 25/10/2000 21:03:26   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comp cc:t  - Subject:  Kirby McCoy's File System Internals(    1 Anyone know where I can get a cheap or free copy?      Fatz.     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:44:37 +0100j  From: steven.reece@quintiles.com0 Subject: Re: Kirby McCoy's File System InternalsH Message-ID: <OF10854A6A.7E07B6F3-ON80256983.007CCD17@qedi.quintiles.com>  H Are you sure it wasn't just someone else spoofing their IP addresses and URLs?  Rob Young wrote:I "...Didn't find anything on eBay and it was even up and searchable!  Markd your calendars!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:07:11 GMTs7 From: trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk)  Subject: license problems 5 Message-ID: <39f742e4.103219641@news.telusplanet.net>r  B Hello there.  I am basically a VMS newbie and am having difficultyA finding a solution to a problem that has arisen.  I have read the F faq's and scoured a number of manuals and I can't find the solution to my problem.a  F When trying to telnet with more than one session into an OpenVMS AlphaF I receive the message: "Attempted usage exceeds active license limits"E Previously, I have had multiple sessions open.  The version of VMS ise@ V6.2 and it is on an AlphaStation 200 4/100.  I have checked theA licenses using: "license list /full" and have found the following F licenses: net-app-sup-150 with 1050 units, openvms-alpha with 12 unitsE and openvms-alpha-adl with 400 units.  Am I missing a license?  Did a  license get deactivated?  A This computer has been powered on and off repeatedly.  It is on a;? clent site and they have power problems and have had difficultyhD getting a reliable ups.  I state this in case it may have bearing on the problem with user licenses.c  A If anyone has an idea what this could be or could point me in the 0 right direction it would be greatly appreciated.   Thanks!  Trevor OsatchukS   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 14:58:11 -0700o+ From: "richard n. frank" <rnfrank@llnl.gov>  Subject: Re: license problemsd> Message-ID: <4.2.0.58.20001025145356.00aded00@poptop.llnl.gov>   Trevor,uH The standard VMS license allows 2 interactive sessions. The "units" you L mention (12 & 400) are internal license units, not users allowed.  You need  to buy OpenVMS-Alpha-ADL? licenses to get more concurrent users. They are kind of pricey.l   rich  @ DISCLAIMER: This is not the opinion of the U.S. Government, DOE,B UC, or LLNL. It may not even be my opinion, I'm a terrible typist., --------------------------------------------    & At 09:07 PM 10/25/00 +0000, you wrote:C >Hello there.  I am basically a VMS newbie and am having difficulty B >finding a solution to a problem that has arisen.  I have read theG >faq's and scoured a number of manuals and I can't find the solution to  >my problem. >oG >When trying to telnet with more than one session into an OpenVMS AlphaaG >I receive the message: "Attempted usage exceeds active license limits" F >Previously, I have had multiple sessions open.  The version of VMS isA >V6.2 and it is on an AlphaStation 200 4/100.  I have checked the:B >licenses using: "license list /full" and have found the followingG >licenses: net-app-sup-150 with 1050 units, openvms-alpha with 12 unitsaF >and openvms-alpha-adl with 400 units.  Am I missing a license?  Did a >license get deactivated?  >mB >This computer has been powered on and off repeatedly.  It is on a@ >clent site and they have power problems and have had difficultyE >getting a reliable ups.  I state this in case it may have bearing onV  >the problem with user licenses. >MB >If anyone has an idea what this could be or could point me in the1 >right direction it would be greatly appreciated.w >e >Thanks! >Trevor Osatchuk   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 22:11:23 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) Subject: Re: license problems . Message-ID: <8t7lqc$jok$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  8 Trevor Osatchuk (trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com) wrote:  H : licenses: net-app-sup-150 with 1050 units, openvms-alpha with 12 units' : and openvms-alpha-adl with 400 units.>  H The 400 units is 4 users.  In another reply, Richard Frank said that you+ got 2 users with the openvms-alpha license.s  G So how many users are logged on locally and remotely TOTAL when you geti& the "license limits exceeded" message?   - Robs     -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.come6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 02:30:20 +0200e, From: "Anders" <ccc28376a@post.cybercity.dk>% Subject: Mirroring on HSx controllers 1 Message-ID: <R2KJ5.626$Q%4.13267@news.get2net.dk>    Hi,   - Someone on a mailing list said the following.i   ----4 It used to be (with HSC controllers, I believe) thatF you'd get back an ACK from the controller indicating that the write isJ complete as soon as the FIRST disk in the shadowset finished its read (andF write, IIRC) -- it is no longer the case, however.  You have to set anL explicit policy with the HSF software to determine which device provides theI data.  That's a shame, as it was a shadowing feature I always thought waseA rather elegant.  Now you're left to choose between the least busymK controller, a round robin technique, or a specific disk -- but NOT the headc( that's closest to your data.  Oh well... ----  C Is it correct that shadowing no longer does the closest head thing?y. Why was it changed, as it seems rather clever.   cheers   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:48:42 -0400,) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net ' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridgee9 Message-ID: <39f7557e$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>d  C In <hshubs-E83226.22464124102000@news.mindspring.com>, on 10/24/00 l<    at 10:46 PM, Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> said:  ; >In article <39f60eda$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, a+ >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:e  I >>I don't have a CD-ROM on my old microvax, but do on my alpha machine up-E >>here.  I haven't hooked up my tape drives yet, but could do so nexteJ >>weekend.  (I haven't hooked up my DEC tape drives, but have hooked up my >>Sony SDT-7000)  I >I think you'll find that the Alpha binaries won't do much good on a VAX,c3 >and  you can't build a STABACKIT tape on an Alpha..  J I wasn't going to build with Alpha Binaries.  I was going to have him mailH the CD here so I could file copy entire contents to tape.  Since I can'tH build a "bootable" tape this would only do him good if he had enough VMS on tape to boot standalone.n   Roland     -- n; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:58:17 -0400e, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridges> Message-ID: <hshubs-5AFDAA.18581725102000@news.mindspring.com>  : In article <39f7557e$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, * yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:  K >I wasn't going to build with Alpha Binaries.  I was going to have him maileI >the CD here so I could file copy entire contents to tape.  Since I can't I >build a "bootable" tape this would only do him good if he had enough VMS  >on tape to boot standalone.  N Easier just to find someone with VMS on a VAX with an appropriate tape drive,  IMHO.e -- t Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:55:43 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net3' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge:9 Message-ID: <39f78f76$5$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>e  C In <hshubs-5AFDAA.18581725102000@news.mindspring.com>, on 10/25/00 /<    at 06:58 PM, Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> said:  J Yes it is.  Which is why I qualified it as "if all else fails".  I do haveF original TK50's with 5.5-2 on them for my VAX back home but would be a% while before I got back to dupe them.d   Roland  ; >In article <39f7557e$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>, :+ >yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net wrote:r  L >>I wasn't going to build with Alpha Binaries.  I was going to have him mailJ >>the CD here so I could file copy entire contents to tape.  Since I can'tJ >>build a "bootable" tape this would only do him good if he had enough VMS >>on tape to boot standalone.   G >Easier just to find someone with VMS on a VAX with an appropriate tapee >drive,  IMHO.   -- -; -----------------------------------------------------------rD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------t   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:54:08 GMTS6 From: "Andy Bustamante" <A_C_Bustamante@earthlink.net>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Resource KitdF Message-ID: <kwJJ5.24447$rD3.1632077@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>   Yes and Yes.  @ It's student workbooks in PDF format for the 8 or so courses the> ASE program recommends.  I reviewed these for a few weeks then took the VMS exam.   -- Andy Bustamante  Alpha/OpenVMS ASE    Remove the ASCII 95s to replya6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF77C7F13C.BD9E53AA-ON83256983.004C5C5C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...I > Did  anyone bought the OpenVMS Technical Resource Kit ???? Is it usefuli > ???? > 	 > Regardsn >s > FC >c >u   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:29:57 -0400l% From: "Bill Stouffer" <farm@erie.net>a Subject: PCL escape sequenses / Message-ID: <sveuo772lgce8e@corp.supernews.com>c  1 How do I edit a file containing escape sequences,/  I I am attempting to setup a pcl printer configuration and can't get tpu to1 handle the escape codes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:53:27 -0400-, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>! Subject: Re: PCL escape sequensese> Message-ID: <hshubs-12EA2D.20532725102000@news.mindspring.com>  @ In article <sveuo772lgce8e@corp.supernews.com>, "Bill Stouffer"  <farm@erie.net> wrote:  J >I am attempting to setup a pcl printer configuration and can't get tpu to >handle the escape codes.   H What problem are you running into?  TPU/EVE or TPU/EDT should work okay. --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:30:43 +1100w/ From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>s! Subject: Re: PCL escape sequensest2 Message-ID: <6yNJ5.7626$SF5.150022@ozemail.com.au>  . Bill Stouffer <farm@erie.net> wrote in message) news:sveuo772lgce8e@corp.supernews.com...r3 > How do I edit a file containing escape sequences,o >iK > I am attempting to setup a pcl printer configuration and can't get tpu tob > handle the escape codes. I use edit/edt: you can insert special characters like escape (decimal 27)! using the SPECINS keypad functionh& so GOLD 2 7 GOLD SPECINS inserts <ESC>> If you do a SET KEYPAD EDT you can probably do the same in tpu Phil   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:43:51 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS), Message-ID: <39F737F3.B8A89896@videotron.ca>   "Richard L. Dyson" wrote:LE > read?  Are there really people who work in the computing world that:* > NEVER need a Windows-based application?   M The issue is more involved than this. Applications such as DECwrite relied on0J DPS to rasterize some EPS "objects" so you can see it on the screen as you edit your document.r  N Also, doesn't DECwindows use Postcript technology for font display on screen ?E  How will that be affected by the widthdrawal of postscript support ?   M More importantly, with VMS in a "server" mode, you would expect it to be ableeF to generate/update PDF files that are accessed through the web server.  I It is not a question of being able to view a single PDF document. In that K case, yes, move it to another box (MACs are acceptable, Windows undesirablepL :-) and view it. But when such a task is very common, then you're better off! having the tool when you need it.=   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 16:30:49 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)3 Message-ID: <AHZx3jZimZF8@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>,  ) In article <39F69D5D.188457B2@uiowa.edu>,=6     	"Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes: [...] G >     Haven't we all found that a Win box is necessary for some things? I > What happens when your e-mailed a Word2000 document you are required to1E > read?  Are there really people who work in the computing world thate. > NEVER need a Windows-based application?  ...  F       <Picture bearded man wildly waving his hand over his head. :-) >  H         I'm with VAXman on this one.  In the words of one of the OpenVMSH     Engineers (Leo Demers),  I  run  a  "Microsoft-free  zone".  Most MSH     proprietary  "enclosures" I get in e-mail get deleted without  beingH     read.  For others, which are sent from overseas and, for reasons  ofH     communication  difficulties  can't  be  resent  in plain text, I useH     CATDOC or MSWV to decode (which  I  do  as a service for my family).*     Excel spread sheets are always dumped.  H         To be entirely honest, however, when  I requested a hard-copy ofH     a  travel expense form from our travel office, and it didn't  arriveH     after a week and a half, I actually sullied my hands by logging ontoH     my  cubicle-mate's  W2K  system,  ran  Netscape  (not   I.E.),   andH     downloaded  the  Excel  spread  sheet from travel office's web page.H     _That's_ when  the  trouble  started!   What  should  have  taken 20H     minutes  to half an hour took me at least 1 1/2 hours, along with  aH     bunch of "emergency calls" to our local Windows expert (I was  quiteH     upset  to  have  the  computer  tell  _me_  that _it_ had decided toH     download an install updates to a whole bunch of stuff I knew nothingG     about...and I had no say-so whether it was going to do it or not!).D  H         Really, that one  experience  has  left  me  with post-traumaticA     stress syndrome!  <insert half-smiley, or maybe just a third>   H         I'm now more committed than ever  to stay away from BGinc.  Macs'     are OK; PCs are insidiously evil...g           -Ken --M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Educ:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:32:01 GMTd+ From: John Santos <john.santos@verizon.net>i$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)> Message-ID: <MPG.1461459de682d554989686@news.bellatlantic.net>  I In article <009F21FE.350B8F3F@SendSpamHere.ORG>, system@SendSpamHere.ORG _ says...o [...]n  J > I have a piece of shit here that was purchased for me by an organizationJ > that needed me to maintain the VMS side of an application which uses theJ > PeeCee as the GUI[1]  FYI, the machine's name is piece-of-shit!  My kidsJ > use it now that I really have no need for it.  I here them complain whenA                     hear -- would M$ weird have caught this?  ;-)lH > they start it up in Weendoze'98 mode and cannot print because there isK > no LPD for Weendoze'98.  I listen to them complain when they run WeendozeeJ > NT and the bugger bugchecks and coughs up the blue screen of death when-I > ever the internet connection bottlenecks.  I hear my daughter grumblingMH > when her friends on AOhelL send her the latest virii or stupid programK > via eMail that wipes out her files and/or settings!  You bet I'm acutely DJ > and very unpleasantly aware of the crap which is called Micro$chlock andI > I humbly praise my VMS reliability daily!  I get so freakin' frustratedsH > every time I have to even touch this machine.  It sets computing aback; > at least 20 years with its "novel" way of doing things.       D Mark Twain said "When angry, count to ten.  When very angry, swear."@ This M$ box I'm typing on now, which works much better than its ' predecessor, has kept me in practice...n  s --   John Santos-   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 00:43:38 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS). Message-ID: <8t7unq$b8d$2@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <200010250748.JAA20374@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingerti <win@fom.fgan.de> writes:   H > if DPS is removed from OpenVMS and (as other say) from other OSes, howF > can I preview a PostSript file. AFAIK PostScript and PDF are not the > same format. Is this right?   E GV or ghostview---I think DPS is a different beast altogether (never l	 used it).t   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 00:45:35 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS). Message-ID: <8t7urf$b8d$3@info.service.rug.nl>  < In article <39F69D5D.188457B2@uiowa.edu>, "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu> writes: l  D > 	Haven't we all found that a Win box is necessary for some things?I > What happens when your e-mailed a Word2000 document you are required too	 > read?     8 http://www2.wku.edu/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?CATDOC   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:16:25 -0400r- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>i$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS), Message-ID: <39F7A207.D780C563@videotron.ca>   Phillip Helbig wrote: F > GV or ghostview---I think DPS is a different beast altogether (never > used it).1    J Actually, you may have used some of the built-in postscript support on VMS without knowing it.4   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 11:59:49 +1300V9 From: "Antony Wardle" <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz>  Subject: Re: popquestion2 Message-ID: <NtJJ5.7359$SF5.146848@ozemail.com.au>   UCX$pop  and/or tcpip$pope   cheers   Antony      7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message $ news:39f62c00$1@news.kapsch.co.at...D > In article <Y43J5.5218$SF5.107912@ozemail.com.au>, "Antony Wardle"+ <antony.wardle@nnnoospam.met.co.nz> writes:-# > >is the pop server multithreaded?0 >0 > What POP server ?o > Yes, it is ! >a > --> > Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651= > Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n> > <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netJ > A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:30:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>n: Subject: Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed., Message-ID: <39F734DF.43130E5F@videotron.ca>   pdafniotis@hotmail.com wrote:e > I have two questions:cG > 1. For any printer forms (e.g. NUMBER_UP, HP4000_PORTRAIT, etc) whered< > are they stored? How do I find their names/syntax/purpose?  I Traditional forms are stored, I beleive in the queue manager's database. o2 SHOW QUEUE/FORM will list currently defined forms.  N SHOW QUEUE/FULL queue_name   will give you what the default form is, and where the library is located.g  J HELP DEFINE FORM will describe how to define a form and what attributes to give it.      L For postscript, the /SETUP portion of the form is what is important since itR dictates which module from the /LIBRARY  is sent to the printer prior to your job.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 21:38:27 GMT  From: inwap@best.com (Joe Smith)" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?, Message-ID: <8t7jsj$2ht$1@nntp1.ba.best.com>  2 In article <39f3f412.1185688119@news.newsguy.com>,& Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:B >Were console  front end terminal lines really not supported underD >TOPS-10? That was the normal connection method with TOPS-20. We had4 >128 serial lines on the front end without problems.  D They were not supported with the 1091 first came out (version 7.00).D By 7.02, they were supported.  The thing that gave the system a real: workout was a smooth-scrolling VT100 running at 9600 baud.   	-Joen --8 See http://www.inwap.com/ for PDP-10 and "ReBoot" pages.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:16:13 -0500e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>3> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers, Message-ID: <39F785DC.DC3C8FB@earthlink.net>   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:F > Let me rephrase my question. You are the system manager. You want toD > delete a job called SOME_JOB. So, you issue the command SHOW ENTRYF > SOME_JOB to get its entry number. Then, only a few seconds later (itF > takes a few seconds to type it and press RET), you issue the commandI > "DELETE/ENTRY entry-number" to delete the job. My concern is whether ittF > is possible that ***during those few seconds***, unbeknownst to you,D > the job SOME_JOB just happens to complete, and then, subsequently,D > another user submits a job that just happens to get the same entry	 > number.c  $ Well, understand what you're asking:   Example:  C 1. There are currently 978 entries in the system, entry 1 thru 978,e> either executing, pending or holding (/HOLD or timed-release).  % 2. Entry 765 completes at 22:00:00.00-  * 3. At 22:00:00.50, user XYZ SUBMITs a job.  E What you're REALLY asking is, will XYZ's job be assigned entry numberM 765?  F Again, I've never seen a VMS system where the count of available entryH numbers represented a finite set. So, I'd tend to believe, pending proofH otherwise, that XYZ's job would receive the next entry number, 979. EvenF if the existing jobs were 1 thru 999, I'd have to believe that the new job would become entry 1000.  H IMO, it goes back to, assuming only "black or white" (yes or no) answers are allowed:   Is it possible? Yes.   Is it likely? No.   F Is it worthy of concern? Until it poses a problem, I'd have to say No.E When the problem does finally appear (if ever), you'd better find outaE how it came to pass first because the occurence itself is very low ona: your priority list by the time things come to such a pass.   ...IMHO.   -- o David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systemsd http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/h  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 22:07:57 +0200-0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>, Subject: RZ26 dual port with one cable only?* Message-ID: <39F73D9C.A0840CC4@Easynet.fr>   Oye oye,  A I have an ALPHA server 400 with a BA35something and 5 RZ26 in it,5E connected to the Alpha via a SCSI cable. Actually a double cable withcG two plugs (probably to build a SCSI cluster) but only one is connected.w  0 When I boot the Alpha with VAXC=0, sh dev d says   DKA0:e DKA400: (CD) DKB100:e DKB200:l ...e DKB500:i  8 When I boot the Alpha in cluster, with say alloc=1 I get   DKA0:o DKA400:d
 $1$DKB100: ...h
 $1$DKB500:
 $1$DKB600: ...o $1$DKB1500:.   (only one cable connected, ok?)h  H Then I backed/ima/ig=int my local system disk DKA0: to $1$DKB200: then I rebooted on the SCSI disk: ok.  G Then I tried to init the $1$DKB700 with label DISK_DKB700 and my system E hung. I mean no message, no nothing, just facts. I tried to reboot onaF DKB200: "No way, Jose(1), no valid boot block". I rebooted on DKA0 andH discovered that actually my $1$DKB200 is now labelled DISK_DKB700... :-(  3 So, dual port RZ26 via one SCSI cable??????????????  Or what else happened?  & And what are these $1$DKB1000 to 1500?  	 Confused.i D.  ( (1) (c) 1984 Stan Rabinowicz in WHAT.EXE   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 20:30:56 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: RZ26 dual port with one cable only?6 Message-ID: <8t7fu0$qmq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <39F73D9C.A0840CC4@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:o  E   Um, OpenVMS Alpha version?   Use of OpenVMS Alpha V7.1-2 or V7.2-1 oE   (with appropriate ECOs applied) would be the prefered releases for  %   this multi-host SCSI configuration.   4 :I have an ALPHA server 400 with a BA35something ...  C   One BA350 or one BA356 series enclosure, and nothing else on this-B   particular SCSI bus?  How much cable is involved and how long is   the SCSI bus itself?  F :                                                ... and 5 RZ26 in it,F :connected to the Alpha via a SCSI cable. Actually a double cable withH :two plugs (probably to build a SCSI cluster) but only one is connected. ..1 :When I boot the Alpha with VAXC=0, sh dev d sayss :a :DKA0:
 :DKA400: (CD)j :DKB100: :DKB200: :... :DKB500: :d9 :When I boot the Alpha in cluster, with say alloc=1 I geta  E   I will assume the only difference here is the setting of VAXCLUSTERtH   and ALLOCLASS parameters, and that there was no recabling and no SCSI "   bus hardware or cable shuffling.   :DKA0: :DKA400: :$1$DKB100:M :... :$1$DKB500:e :$1$DKB600:  :... :$1$DKB1500: :p  :(only one cable connected, ok?)     Is the termination correct?8   ..H :Then I tried to init the $1$DKB700 with label DISK_DKB700 and my systemF :hung. I mean no message, no nothing, just facts. I tried to reboot onG :DKB200: "No way, Jose(1), no valid boot block". I rebooted on DKA0 and9I :discovered that actually my $1$DKB200 is now labelled DISK_DKB700... :-(u  G   I'd guess a wiring problem or a unit number collision, or length, or  D   a termination problem, or you simply forgot to make the requisite E   sacrifice of the officially-sanctified rubber chicken to your SCSI     chain. :-)    7   What are the PK SCSI bus settings on the SRM console?r  4 :So, dual port RZ26 via one SCSI cable?????????????? :Or what else happened?e  D   You likely have a SCSI bus unit or cabling or termination problem.  ' :And what are these $1$DKB1000 to 1500?l  ;   Recent versions of OpenVMS support wide SCSI -- 16 units.u  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------    Date: 25 Oct 2000 22:37:43 +0200) From: maulis@ludens.elte.hu (Maulis Adam)-0 Subject: Re: RZ26 dual port with one cable only?! Message-ID: <8jpIyE895z0H@ludens>y  ] In article <39F73D9C.A0840CC4@Easynet.fr>, Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr> writes:a [...]i   >  > DKA0:r	 > DKA400:  > $1$DKB100: > ...s > $1$DKB500: > $1$DKB600: > ....
 > $1$DKB1500:e  M It seems there is a SCSI-id conflict with your SCSI interface and one of youri< disks. Please check that no disk with equal id to scsi card.     in console mode: >>> show dev  
 or smilar.   > D. >    Adam Maulisl   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:29:32 GMTs# From: Feathers <fethsmgraw@usa.net>u& Subject: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?) Message-ID: <8t7qck$86d$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e   Hi,c7   SETI seems to have crashed my machine ... any ideas ?i  ?   I have only run 4 work units successfully. Decided to add theF8   4mb of B2-Cache option ... crashed sometime after that  A   Q1 - Was i supposed to autogen or something, after adding cachea   Crashdump Summary Information:  -----------------------------* Crash Time:        24-OCT-2000 11:56:37.35A Bugcheck Type:     MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel modes' Node:              ATWORK  (Standalone)u/ CPU Type:          Digital Personal WorkStationt VMS Version:       V7.2-1o Current Process:   BATCH_1G Current Image:     ATWORK$DKA0:[SETI]SETIATHOME_2_4_ALPHA_OPENVMS.EXE;1y$ Failing PC:        FFFFFFFF.80011994" EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003C4$ Failing PS:        00000000.00001F00D Module:            SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_1E05    (Link Date/Time: 28-MAY- 1999 23:20:13.01)t Offset:            00001994t  * Boot Time:         24-OCT-2000 10:56:05.00* System Uptime:               0 01:00:32.35 Crash/Primary CPU: 00/00 System/CPU Type:   1E05i Saved Processes:   26e' Pagesize:          8 KByte (8192 bytes) < Physical Memory:   192 MByte (24576 PFNs, contiguous memory)  Dumpfile Pagelets: 102754 blocks: Dump Flags:        olddump,writecomp,errlogcomp,dump_style' Dump Type:         compressed,selectivet) EXE$GL_FLAGS:      poolpging,init,bugdumpB6 Paging Files:      1 Pagefile and 1 Swapfile installed   Stack Pointers:.9 KSP = 00000000.7FFA1F00   ESP = 00000000.7FFA6000   SSP =f 00000000.7FFAC100  USP = 00000000.7AF3D6E0m   General Registers:9 R0  = 00000000.00000000   R1  = 00000000.00000000   R2  =w 00000000.00000210u  9 R3  = FFFFFFFF.80C2D5B0   R4  = 00000000.00000068   R5  =. 00000000.00000080e9 R6  = 00000000.00D1C040   R7  = 00000000.0116E840   R8  =  00000000.00000009X9 R9  = 00000000.0116E83C   R10 = 00000000.00120000   R11 =n 00000000.00040000)9 R12 = 00000000.00000010   R13 = 00000000.0000122B   R14 =t 00000000.00080000 9 R15 = 00000000.00020000   R16 = 00000000.00000215   R17 =h 00000000.00000210 9 R18 = 00000000.00000000   R19 = FFFFFFFF.80D0A3A0   R20 =i 00000000.00000004 9 R21 = 00000000.00000000   R22 = 00000000.00000200   R23 =( FFFFFFFF.80D0A084s9 R24 = FFFFFFFF.80D0A000   AI  = 00000000.00000001   RA  =d FFFFFFFF.80002030o9 PV  = FFFFFFFF.80D0A001   R28 = FFFFFFFF.80011B08   FP  =  00000000.7FFA1F00x1 PC  = FFFFFFFF.80011998   PS  = 00000000.00001F00r   System Registers:k Page Table Base Register (PTBR)y 00000000.00002A1Dn Processor Base Register (PRBR) FFFFFFFF.80D0E000c$ Privileged Context Block Base (PCBB) 00000000.05442080e  System Control Block Base (SCBB) 00000000.000001AE_* Software Interrupt Summary Register (SISR) 00000000.00000000  Address Space Number (ASN) 00000000.0000005D/& AST Summary / AST Enable (ASTSR_ASTEN) 00000000.0000000Fu Floating-Point Enable (FEN)  00000000.00000001t Interrupt Priority Level (IPL) 00000000.0000001Fe" Machine Check Error Summary (MCES) 00000000.00000008n' Virtual Page Table Base Register (VPTB)n FFFFFFFC.00000000h                & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:04:04 -0400f From: stan@stanq.com* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?. Message-ID: <39F766E4.19525.116CCB1@localhost>  ) On 25 Oct 2000, at 23:29, Feathers wrote: 9 >   SETI seems to have crashed my machine ... any ideas ?a  F Runs great on mine.  You might want to update to the latest version --  3.0 is current.     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671-1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147i= Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 00:10:01 -0400n2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2610000010020001@user-2iveche.dialup.mindspring.com>  N In article <8t7qck$86d$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Feathers <fethsmgraw@usa.net> wrote:   > Hi, 9 >   SETI seems to have crashed my machine ... any ideas ?  > A >   I have only run 4 work units successfully. Decided to add thea: >   4mb of B2-Cache option ... crashed sometime after that > C >   Q1 - Was i supposed to autogen or something, after adding cachei  I I don't think autogen notices cache, but I may be wrong.  In fact I don't  know how to discover the cache size in general from VMS.  The info is probably buried in platform-specific configuration registers, with no documented high-level interface.  I would love to be proven wrong on this point.    P I am FAR from expert at interpreting crash dumps.  So here are my 2 cents worth:    > Crashdump Summary Information:  > ------------------------------, > Crash Time:        24-OCT-2000 11:56:37.35C > Bugcheck Type:     MACHINECHK, Machine check while in kernel modea  L VMS noticed an error it couldn't fix, and comitted suicide, writing a memoryL dump to disk.  Machine checks tend to be unfixable hardware errors, I think.  ) > Node:              ATWORK  (Standalone)r1 > CPU Type:          Digital Personal WorkStationk > VMS Version:       V7.2-1t > Current Process:   BATCH_1I > Current Image:     ATWORK$DKA0:[SETI]SETIATHOME_2_4_ALPHA_OPENVMS.EXE;1d  8 This was the current process at the time of the failure.  & > Failing PC:        FFFFFFFF.80011994  G All those F's at the front of the address indicate an address in systemj! space, i.e. not the SETI program.e  $ > EXE$SYSTEM_CORRECTED_ERROR_C+003C4  I This looks like it might be a VMS routine that deals with detected memoryiD (or cache) errors.  You could use SDA to walk back through the stack until you find the user code that executed just before the crash, but user code doesn't cause hardware failures.  So in my WAG scenario, finding the user code wouldn't tell you much.t  & > Failing PS:        00000000.00001F00F > Module:            SYS$CPU_ROUTINES_1E05    (Link Date/Time: 28-MAY- > 1999 23:20:13.01)P > Offset:            00001994F   This seems to say we ended up in a module that contains CPU-specific code.  Not surprising, if a memory or cache failure is involved.c  M Maybe the new cache you installed is faultly/wrong part/not quite plugged in.rK Maybe you have outdated firmware, or are missing a crucial ECO, and the new  cache exposed a latent bug you never saw before.  The software/firmware angle is worth checking.  If you didn't put in new firmware with VMS 7.2 and/or 7.2-1, you are very likely behind the times.  O I don't recall if the DPW console has specific tests for cache.  If so, I would3+ run them, and exercise the cache very well.V  > Note there is a service manual for the DPW series at this URL:  <   ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/workstations/miatasg.exe  L (It is horribly inconvenient to deal with, since it's a bunch of html files K wrapped inside a wintel self-expanding executable.  A really stoopid way ton package alpha/VMS information.)u  I (Alas, I can't verify the URL right now.  The server is not allowing anon ) ftp. It worked at the beginning of Sept.)o   One think this service guide does NOT describe is the console memory test command.  I have never been able to get useful information from that.  YMMV.+ with the cache test, if it actually exists.m   Free advice, worth every penny.    -- m Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.come   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 19:32:07 GMT ! From: Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com>y Subject: Re: Shared data) Message-ID: <8t7cfo$rqg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>s  C > I think I did it, but now when I try to run the image there is an  errortF > message indicating that shared image <xxxx> was not found in <yyyy>.C > But shared image <xxxx> is already installed in memory. Any idea?e  G If <xxxx> is not in SYS$SHARE, <xxxx> must be defined as a logical names7 pointing to the actual location of the shareable image.t   eg.m  . $ define fooshr disk$stuff:[commons]fooshr.exe     Fatz    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.s   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 20:03:53 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: Shared data6 Message-ID: <8t7eb9$qdo$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  M In article <8t7cfo$rqg$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com> writes:d : D :> I think I did it, but now when I try to run the image there is anE :>error message indicating that shared image <xxxx> was not found in iC :><yyyy>.  But shared image <xxxx> is already installed in memory.    D   Installing an image is not directly relevent to finding the image.C   Installing the image does permit it to be accessed by a call fromt=   another installed image, of course, but the image has to be$D   located before it can be activated.  (And the device and directoryA   specifications have to match for the lookup and the known file e@   activation to succeed.)  (My, what jargon-filled paragraphs we   weave. :-)  H :If <xxxx> is not in SYS$SHARE, <xxxx> must be defined as a logical name8 :pointing to the actual location of the shareable image.  I   Correct.  You will further need to define the logical name using /EXEC eH   in a privileged logical name table, if there are installed privileged E   images or protected image files involved in the activation -- thereaC   are a sequence of events that can trigger "paranoia" in the image6   activator.  E   And specify the file version number on an image activation (or on atF   logical name that references a shareable image) only if you want to 7   bypass the known file lookup and activation sequence.r  E   If you have not already done so, take a look at the shareable imagejC   cookbook referenced by the OpenVMS FAQ.  It goes into some detailt6   on shareable image design, creation, and activation.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 18:23:00 GMT + From: Jordan Henderson <jordan@my-deja.com>s' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugherb) Message-ID: <8t78do$nu1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   - In article <972438729.683982@sj-nntpcache-5>, 1   shawbrow@delilah.cisco.com (Shawn Brown) wrote: + > In article <8t22fk$f71$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,i/ > Jordan Henderson  <jordan@my-deja.com> wrote:  > >ED > >But, we've been told that you can patch Solaris with no downtime,+ > >just like you can with OpenVMS clusters.i >XE > Sure you can.  You can patch a suncluster or a vcs cluster by doingS > rolling upgrades.  La de da. >e' > >What is it that you are doing wrong?  > F > Don't be a jackass.  Apparently that's fairly difficult for you, but > lets try.  OK?  ? I was just asking a question.  I don't know much about patchingtE Solaris, but you seemed to be providing a data point that it's not asc' seemless as some would have us believe.    >)D > I actually *like* openvms.  I run it as a hobbyist because it's anF > interesting operating system.  And as far as clusters go, openvms isE > king, no doubt.  I was simply providing anecdotal evidence contraryaC > to the original posters claim of instability on Sun.  We maintaino4 > really nice uptimes with our Sun boxes, thank you. >p  C The original poster was quoting Scott McNealy (!) who said that thewD GOAL for Solaris uptime was in the order of months, not years.  From7 this, I suspect that your evidence is indeed anecdotal.O  H > I would love to run openvms in production.  But it's a shame that very+ > few people are developing for it anymore.   D Look, I'm not on a mission to destroy Sun and Solaris.  If I were, I? might hang out in comp.os.solaris or comp.sys.sun, pointing out-D problems and deficiencies.  I myself have said good things about Sun5 here in the past (references available upon request).u  F I do feel it's necessary to counter the snipers, who happen to also beE some of the most frequent posters to this newsgroup, who appear to be6C on a mission to destroy Compaq and OpenVMS.  These people appear tocH be attempting to create morale problems among people who support OpenVMSD to convince them that the days of their favorite OS are numbered.  IA feel that they are hitting OpenVMS where it REALLY hurts, a brain F drain of people leaving the OpenVMS field that is difficult to repair.  > When you make disparaging comments about OpenVMS here, or makeB comparisons with other OS's where OpenVMS strengths do not seem toA be so compelling, you attract my attention.  I'm not trying to be @ a jerk, but I don't know why we OpenVMS advocates have to alwaysA take a civil "even handed" approach while the OpenVMS enemies use B all the weapons of spin, insult and outright lies to tear down our beloved OS.d   >c > Shawna >c > --4 > Shawn Brown | shawnb@cisco.com | +1 919 392 7481 | http://www.cisco.com >S   -- -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:55:17 +0200 0 From: Didier Morandi <Didier.Morandi@Easynet.fr>5 Subject: Re: System & Network (???) node Mgt trainingu* Message-ID: <39F73AA4.257B5CFD@Easynet.fr>   John Nixon wrote:. ../..cL > Or they are dissapointed that their instructors are teaching them phase IVM > commands on a phase V system.  Regardless of who supplied the material,  if G > this is the case,  one would think that the instructors were a littlep! > negligent in their preparation.i  : Fortunately, he read the doc before the course started :-)  M > Now, when are you Europeans going to get the value of that darned Euro backs > to a respectable level?   F Well, I have to admit that we are in the sh*t (as we say in French :-)   D.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:00:19 -0500e7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>l& Subject: Re: TCP/IP and load balancing- Message-ID: <39F78223.121A2D33@earthlink.net>W   Didier Morandi wrote:  >  > SysAdmin wrote:  > >D > > I don't understand.B > P > Don't worry. I asked two questions here on TCP/IP for OpenVMS and no answer...  H It would depend on the nature of the question. Some questions I know the. answer, others I can hazard an educated guess.  > The experience relevent to Mike's question was both recent and
 proximate.   -- 0 David J. Dachtera. dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 17:44:26 -0400 ! From: BOB RIDDELL <arsc@icdc.com>m Subject: VMS 7.2 and CMUIP 6.6( Message-ID: <39F7543A.BDA372C5@icdc.com>  >      We have recently upgraded from VMS 5.5-2 to Open VMS 7.2.; We had been using CMUIP FTP for file transfers between a pcn using windows 98.   L      We have encountered an error saying that the user name and password are/ invalid. We reinstalled CMUIP and verified thato< the user name and passwords where correct with all privs andC still received the same error. We then tried to set up an anonymous-O ftp login. It will login to the vax but every command will generate a no accesse error message.M      We are still at an impasse with this and would appreciate any assistance-J anyone could provide on this issue. The log of the logins attempted follow   thanks andy     open 192.168.2.29 220 CMU-OpenVMS/IP FTP version V2.9A (04-Dec-1991) ready.n ftp> user ftp$user user$ftpa! 331 Username Okay, need password.o 530-Not logged in., 530 Login information invalid at remote node
 Login failed.. ftp> cd dua0:[pc]  530 Not logged in. ftp> lcd n:\eztusers Local directory now N:\EZTUSER.w
 ftp> ascii 200 Command Okay.  ftp> put fdrrmsu1.fil  530 Not logged in. 530 Not logged in. ftp> put fdrrmspl.film 530 Not logged in. ftp> bye' 221 Service closing control connection.-= -------------------------------------------------------------  open 192.168.2.29 220 CMU-OpenVMS/IP FTP version V2.9A (04-Dec-1991) ready.  ftp> user anonymous wardlowp= 331 Guest login ok, send ident or e-mail address as password..O 230 Guest wardlow login ok, 25-OCT-2000 17:24:53.09, access restrictions apply.F ftp> cd dua0:[pc] * 550 Requested action not taken. No access. ftp> lcd C:\WINDOWS\DESKTOPn' Local directory now C:\WINDOWS\Desktop.s ftp> bin 200 Command Okay.- ftp> prompt- Interactive mode Off . ftp> mput *.zip-! 200 Port 192,168,1,13,4,105 Okay. * 550 Requested action not taken. No access.! 200 Port 192,168,1,13,4,106 Okay.t* 550 Requested action not taken. No access. ftp> ftp> bye' 221 Service closing control connection.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:13:55 -0400P- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>9" Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 and CMUIP 6.6, Message-ID: <39F7773F.95A62414@videotron.ca>   BOB RIDDELL wrote:N >      We have encountered an error saying that the user name and password are1 > invalid. We reinstalled CMUIP and verified that6> > the user name and passwords where correct with all privs and > still received the same error1  C I get the same behaviour with V1.2 of the FTP that comes with CMU.    L However, if I type the username in uppercase, then I get in without problem.M Remember that with VMS 7.2, a certain amount of case sensitivity was added topH usernames, and I suspect that the CMU-FTP diesn't bother uppercasing the username before checking it.   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 00:32:54 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)$ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?. Message-ID: <8t7u3m$b8d$1@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <39EE413F.8024C6F6@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" & <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:    > Phillip Helbig wrote:0 > > E > > In article <39ECF4CA.D39AB2EC@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"0) > > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:0 > > H > > > Because VOLSHAD requires that each host have a non-zero allocationI > > > class. I'm sure someone will pipe up with the complete explanation; I > > > however, consider the transfer of "knowledge" between cluster nodes I > > > about shadow set constituency. This may explain it (and maybe not).0 > > 	 > > OK...0 > >  > > > Consider:F > > H > > ...but these examples involve clusters.  Why is the allocation-classC > > notation required with volume shadowing on a standalone system?P > ? > Why would the software be expected to behave differently in a0 > non-clustered configuration?  D This could apply to anything, but normally one does not have to use G allocation classes if they are not needed.  Why shouldn't MOUNT/SHADOW 0H work with normal node-based names?  It seems it would be more difficult & to make it require allocation classes.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:59:10 +0800m+ From: "Davies, Huw" <Huw.Davies@compaq.com>0$ Subject: RE: VMS Software Mirroring?O Message-ID: <5AD7782D2FB2D11183CE0000F8023ACD034FC6D8@meoexc1.dhcp.meo.dec.com>c  G You will find that you must set a non-zero allocation class to use hostr based volume shadowing.0  
 Huw Davies0 COMPAQ SERVICES - Platform Technologies Practice+ 564 St Kilda Rd., Melbourne, Australia 3004-  5 Voice: +61.3.9275 3333     Fax: +61.3.9275 3453      a Mobile: 0413 021 378 E-mail: Huw.Davies@compaq.come   * Me, not Compaq *       > -----Original Message-----8 > From: helbig@astro.rug.nl [mailto:helbig@astro.rug.nl]* > Sent: Wednesday, 18 October 2000 7:34 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com & > Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring? >  > H > In article <8si90i$5kr$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com>
 > writes:  > ? > > Then I guess my question is, what steps to do I have to go i > through to@ > > implement this? I see there is a different mount qualifier, 
 > but is that-@ > > it? And if the shadow set has a different device name (dsa0  > instead of' > > dka0) will this affect my logicals?e >  > See HELP MOUNT/SHADOW. > H > Yes, you should redefine your logicals to point to the generic shadow H > name; the whole point is to avoid a single physical disk as a failure  > point. > ' > Now I have a question:  WHY must the n% > $allocation-class$ddcu[:] syntax beoG > used?  As far as I can tell (and I have just read up on node and port.E > allocation classes), this is only necessary with dual-ported disks. 7 > However, it makes sense to use volume shadowing on a o > standalone system.@ > Sure, one could use allocation classes there, but they are not> > necessary, so why does MOUNT/SHADOW require this syntax (at  > least that's i > what HELP says). >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:20:46 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> $ Subject: Re: VMS Software Mirroring?- Message-ID: <39F794FE.143CE804@earthlink.net>-   Phillip Helbig wrote:  > C > In article <39EE413F.8024C6F6@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"c' > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  > >rA > > Why would the software be expected to behave differently in a   > > non-clustered configuration? > E > This could apply to anything, but normally one does not have to useoH > allocation classes if they are not needed.  Why shouldn't MOUNT/SHADOWI > work with normal node-based names?  It seems it would be more difficult0( > to make it require allocation classes.  F True. However, as noted in earlier posts, this is a safety feature (at> least). It would actually take more code to check the value ofD VAXCLUSTER, and behave differently in a non-clustered configuration.   --   David J. DachteraE dba DJE Systems4 http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/o  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:05:20 GMT92 From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh@shell1.aracnet.com>* Subject: What is SQL-DEV Hobbyist License?7 Message-ID: <QGJJ5.7146$Qz2.115130@typhoon.aracnet.com>r  L I'm in the process of setting up a couple of test systems in preparation forL makeing some significant changes to my Hobbyist Cluster and noticed that one@ of the licenses is a SQL-DEV license.  What is this license for?  I For that matter does anyone have a list of what all the Hobbyist licensesdJ are for?  I know what most go to, but there are a few others that I don't.   			Zane.   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 15:14:31 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)H Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?3 Message-ID: <JPhhpf$HY8Zc@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>n  - In article <8t6s8q$bq2@gap.cco.caltech.edu>, m9     	mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:. [...]lG > The folks at Compaq claim to be still working on the details of this rL > program, and even though there's a web page, this program apparently isn'tM > available yet. It's supposed to be out in Q4 2000.  (Which is now, just to   > add to the confusion.) > H > It's taking these guys a frightfully long time to put this together.  J > I knew the Q was none too quick on it's feet, but watching them put thisI > program together makes me think of a fully loaded tanker trying to turn-I > away from the shoreline which lies dead ahead.  Companies that are that-= > slow and ponderous are also liable to end up on the rocks. @  H         I believe that  John  Wisniewski <John.Wisniewski@Compaq.Com> isH     the "point man", or at least "the man in the trenches", on this one.H     I'd  request  anyone interested in this program to e-mail  him  withH     your concerns.  If he can't answer the questions, he will  know  who     can.  However...  H         At L.A., John said that he  would  _not_  get back to working onH     this  program  for some time (meaning a few or several weeks)  after?     CETS.  Other obligations no doubt.  So be a little patient.-  H         More to  the  point,  Rich  Marcello  explicitly  said  that hisH     program  is  modeled on the Hobbiest program and does _not_  replaceH     CSLG/DECcampus.  From that I think you  can  read  that,  while  theH     "non-commercial"   clause   has   been   lifted   cf.  the  HobbiestH     restrictions so that _any_ use within the educational institution isH     allowed, you would still  need  something  more comprehensive, e.g.,2     CSLG, for general user or multi-user licenses.  H         Personally, I have no problem with that.  It means I can buy VMSH     systems at  "Linux-ready"  prices  (on  top  of  Compaq  educationalH     discounts)  for  any institutional use.  I still need CSLG  for  theH     multi-user systems, but I want that anyway  for  the  CONDIST/CONOLDH     and  software  support  services.   What bebfits me most is that theH     capital outlays  for  new  systems  will  be  substantially reduced.H     Isn't  that  what  we've all been asking for (at least  one  of  the     things :-)?c  H         Phillip's problem of two students wanting to use a single systemH     under this program seem  to  fall  in  a  gray  area between the newH     program  and  the CSLG/DECcampus.  I don't have an answer.   But  an;     e-mail to John W. raising this concern wouldn't hurt...            -Ken -- pM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edut:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 00:57:56 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)H Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?. Message-ID: <8t7vik$b8d$5@info.service.rug.nl>  3 In article <JPhhpf$HY8Zc@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>,dD Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:   J >         More to  the  point,  Rich  Marcello  explicitly  said  that hisJ >     program  is  modeled on the Hobbiest program and does _not_  replaceJ >     CSLG/DECcampus.  From that I think you  can  read  that,  while  theJ >     "non-commercial"   clause   has   been   lifted   cf.  the  HobbiestJ >     restrictions so that _any_ use within the educational institution isJ >     allowed, you would still  need  something  more comprehensive, e.g.,4 >     CSLG, for general user or multi-user licenses.  , Right.  No problem for folks with DECcampus.  J >         Personally, I have no problem with that.  It means I can buy VMSJ >     systems at  "Linux-ready"  prices  (on  top  of  Compaq  educationalJ >     discounts)  for  any institutional use.  I still need CSLG  for  theJ >     multi-user systems, but I want that anyway  for  the  CONDIST/CONOLDJ >     and  software  support  services.   What bebfits me most is that theJ >     capital outlays  for  new  systems  will  be  substantially reduced.J >     Isn't  that  what  we've all been asking for (at least  one  of  the >     things :-)?   2 Right, no problem and personally I'm not affected.  J >         Phillip's problem of two students wanting to use a single systemJ >     under this program seem  to  fall  in  a  gray  area between the newJ >     program  and  the CSLG/DECcampus.  I don't have an answer.   But  an= >     e-mail to John W. raising this concern wouldn't hurt...'   Right, thanks.  A DECcampus is cheap per user, but not cheap in general---it's not .G something a few people can pay for, or get someone to pay for.  If the eH new program included multi-user licenses, it would enable one person to . start a seed in a VMS colony which could grow.  I Perhaps this isn't done since it would eliminate the need for DECcampus,  H and the revenue from it.  But surely in the mid-term and long-term this 3 would be more than made up for by extra revenue....e   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 00:52:28 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)H Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?. Message-ID: <8t7v8c$b8d$4@info.service.rug.nl>  A In article <39F6361E.6FADBBE0@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"o& <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:    > Phillip Helbig wrote:  > [snip] > ? > Someone please correct me - I'm shooting from the hip here...t > I > My understanding very likely does not reflect reality, but if not maybe  > it should: > H > The campus is covered once it registers. This SHOULD cover the OpenVMSI > Base license. (How do we handle multiple machines/clusters per campus?)c  B That the base license is covered is really good news.  But withoutC DECcampus, not more than one user per machine, or I am confused (or  both). a   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:22:43 -0500-7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>iH Subject: Re: why just single-user licenses with the educational package?- Message-ID: <39F79573.9FB0210C@earthlink.net>5   Phillip Helbig wrote:n > C > In article <39F6361E.6FADBBE0@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" ' > <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:  >  > > Phillip Helbig wrote:f
 > > [snip] > > A > > Someone please correct me - I'm shooting from the hip here...u > > K > > My understanding very likely does not reflect reality, but if not maybee > > it should: > >eJ > > The campus is covered once it registers. This SHOULD cover the OpenVMSK > > Base license. (How do we handle multiple machines/clusters per campus?)w > D > That the base license is covered is really good news.  But withoutE > DECcampus, not more than one user per machine, or I am confused (orh > both).  > The remainder of my original post should answer that question.   -- g David J. DachteraA dba DJE Systemst http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 15:04:14 -0400l. From: "Ted Medenblik" <ted.medenblik@duke.edu>= Subject: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to  VMS 7.2-1t( Message-ID: <8t7arf$qk3$1@news.duke.edu>  J I just noticed ZIP broke after the VMS upgrade. I can still add files intoE an existing zip, but when I try to create a new zip file, I get this:o   $ zip a.zip systartup_vms.comg  A      Error:  zipfile is in variable-length record format.  Please4E      run "bilf b SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]A.ZIP;" to convert the zipfile toU fixed-length      record format.2    A zip error: Zip file structure invalid (SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]A.ZIP;)M   unzip works fine.s Thanks, 
 Ted Medenblika   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 19:55:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)A Subject: Re: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to  VMS 7.2-1n6 Message-ID: <8t7drh$qdo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Y In article <8t7arf$qk3$1@news.duke.edu>, "Ted Medenblik" <ted.medenblik@duke.edu> writes:aK :I just noticed ZIP broke after the VMS upgrade. I can still add files intotF :an existing zip, but when I try to create a new zip file, I get this:  C   Known problem with older versions of Zip, including the pre-built C   version that shipped on Freeware V4.  Please see the OpenVMS FAQ..  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.598 ************************