1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 26 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 599       Contents: cannot see my CD-ROM Connection with a Informix DB ! Re: Connection with a Informix DB  DEC AMDS question  Re: DEC AMDS question  Re: DECNET PLUS - Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)  Disk performance under VMS Re: Disk performance under VMS Re: Disk performance under VMS Re: Disk performance under VMS8 Earn $10 For Yourself And $10 For Each Of Your Referrals+ Re: Educational licenses - more information + Re: Educational licenses - more information + Re: Educational licenses - more information + Re: Educational licenses - more information % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400  Re: Fortune cookies? FTP+Socks5 or SCP  Re: FTP+Socks5 or SCP   Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1" Re: How many files are on my disk?& Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPS Re: license problems RE: license problems Re: license problems Re: license problems Re: license problems# Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn? ' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn? ' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn? ' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn? ' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn? ' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?  Multi-processor Alpha server  Re: Multi-processor Alpha server Re: Need VMS on tape cartridge
 open an Imac?  Re: open an Imac?  Re: open an Imac? " Re: OpenVMS Technical Resource Kit& Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade... Re: PCL escape sequenses Re: PCL escape sequenses Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ? ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ? ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?   strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY  strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY$ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY This is a test (no text) Re: VMS 7.2 and CMUIP 6.6  Re: VMSINSTALL Question * What does this mean? (DECthreads bugcheck)# What VMS format are these files in? ' Re: What VMS format are these files in? ' Re: What VMS format are these files in? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:19:32 +0200 7 From: "Uri Klil-Hahoresh" <uri.klilhahoresh@compaq.com>  Subject: cannot see my CD-ROM 6 Message-ID: <8t8pi7$69u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>   Hi  L I have dpws500au with vma 7.2-1 (include update,scsi,sys and dqconfig patchsL which suppose to resolve this), but I can't see my IDE CD-ROM. From the boot< console the computer recognize it, but not when I start VMS.$ The cd-rom type is TOSHIBA XM-6102B." Did someone else has this problem?   tks  Uri    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:21:49 +0200 # From: "Bart Huls" <b.huls@meteo.nl> & Subject: Connection with a Informix DB Message-ID: <39f813da@wau.nl>    Hi,   J Can anyone tell me if there is a tool to make a connection with a Informix
 DB running. on a HP and a Dec Alpa Station running on VMS.= Is there maybe a possible solution in ESQL-C for Dec Alpa VMS    Regards,  	 Bart Huls   # PS.: Please respond also by mail...    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:22:19 GMT  From: wscott@nac.net* Subject: Re: Connection with a Informix DB) Message-ID: <8t9i70$jkb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    In article <39f813da@wau.nl>, &   "Bart Huls" <b.huls@meteo.nl> wrote: > Hi,  > C > Can anyone tell me if there is a tool to make a connection with a  Informix > DB running0 > on a HP and a Dec Alpa Station running on VMS.? > Is there maybe a possible solution in ESQL-C for Dec Alpa VMS  > 
 > Regards, >  > Bart Huls  > % > PS.: Please respond also by mail...   > Can you say "Tuxedo 6.5 on OpenVMS?"  I am in Sweden right now= helping a customer who is using Tuxedo on VMS/Alpha, AIX, and 7 Solaris. hey have OracleRdb on VMS and Informix on AIX. 1 You can read more about it at http://www.bea.com/    Wayne     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:41:54 GMT  From: byatesiii@my-deja.com  Subject: DEC AMDS question) Message-ID: <8t9cb0$e6l$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   F We have DEC AMDS across different clusters, one only VAXen, the others are mixed VAXen and Alpha.D Everything works fine except on on cluster. This cluster is the sameD configuration of machines as the other mixed clusters, two Alpha and0 two VAXen. OS is 7.2-1 for Alpha, 7.2 for Vaxen.  G On this system, starting up the monitor using avail/group=midsouth from E MSRBAT (Alpha) shows ONLY MSRBAT. Starting from any other node in the ' cluster shows every node EXCEPT MSRBAT.   D I'm not sure where to look, I've looked at the AMDS directories, the@ logicals in AMDS$LOGICALS.COM, and I see AMDS$DEF AMDS$GROUPNAMED MIDSOUTH and want to know what the difference between AMDS$DEF and a@ regular Define for a logical is. I know MIDSOUTH is supposedly aC cluster alias, want to see what the value (or node-list) is on each # machine, don't know how to do that.     Am I looking in the right areas?    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:21:58 GMT 1 From: "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com>  Subject: Re: DEC AMDS question2 Message-ID: <39F84D99.13C3D9FE@clarityconnect.com>  F Is AMDS$DEVICE pointing to the right network controller on MSRBAT suchD that it's AMDS packets are seen on the same lan segment as the other( systems?  This is usually the problem.     byatesiii@my-deja.com wrote: > H > We have DEC AMDS across different clusters, one only VAXen, the others > are mixed VAXen and Alpha.F > Everything works fine except on on cluster. This cluster is the sameF > configuration of machines as the other mixed clusters, two Alpha and2 > two VAXen. OS is 7.2-1 for Alpha, 7.2 for Vaxen. > I > On this system, starting up the monitor using avail/group=midsouth from G > MSRBAT (Alpha) shows ONLY MSRBAT. Starting from any other node in the ) > cluster shows every node EXCEPT MSRBAT.  > F > I'm not sure where to look, I've looked at the AMDS directories, theB > logicals in AMDS$LOGICALS.COM, and I see AMDS$DEF AMDS$GROUPNAMEF > MIDSOUTH and want to know what the difference between AMDS$DEF and aB > regular Define for a logical is. I know MIDSOUTH is supposedly aE > cluster alias, want to see what the value (or node-list) is on each % > machine, don't know how to do that.  > " > Am I looking in the right areas? > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    --  D Jilly	- Working from Home in the Chemung River Valley - Lockwood, NY0 	- jilly@clarityconnect.com			- Brett Bodine fan. 	- Mark.Jilson@Compaq.com			- since 1975 or so, 	- http://www.jilly.baka.com               -   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:27:35 +0400 * From: "Yuri Ermakov" <ermak@cbr.ryazan.su> Subject: Re: DECNET PLUS/ Message-ID: <8t8nm9$54c$1@summer.cbr.ryazan.su>   , $ HELP DECnet-Plus DCL_Commands SET HOST/MOP  G $ mc ncl show mop client <mop_client_name> all, there <mop_client_name>  logical name of device    + "Carol McGeehon" <clmcgeeh@co.douglas.or.us , : news:39F77299.EBB8ECA8@co.douglas.or.us...H > I have DecNet Phase V configured on my system and am using OpenVMS 7.1H > on a VAX 4000 300 and have 90L+ terminal servers connected to the Vax. > J > I have been using the SET HOST/MOP  DS44 to connect to a terminal serverI > named under DecNet Phase IV.  I have been using this successfully since  > we moved the Phase V.  > B > Recently, I tried the SET HOST/MOP DS44 command and received the > following error message: > % > %CCR-F-UNRCIR, unrecognized circuit  > I > Does anyone know where I might start looking for why this error message  > is coming up?  >  > Any help will be appreciated >  > Carol McGeehon > Technical Services > Douglas County Library System  >  >    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:04:37 GMT  From: richard_maher@my-deja.com 6 Subject: Re: Determining if timer request ID valid (?)) Message-ID: <8t8vjj$4nq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,   F One last bit of advice if you're gonna go down the EXEC UWSS route. ItA would probably be prudent for your my_exec$cantim routine to do a    > TSTL 4(AP) > BEQL BADPARAM    before trying to $cantim :-)  G Although the resource domains that Hoff mentioned would be better (Have G they been designed to expand/functional creep past the lock manager?) I D believe the calling/called demarcation possibilities afforded by the2 VMS access modes should satisfy your requirements?   Regards Richard Maher.  G FYI, the following is a recent post from the Rdb list server containing 8 information relating to the behaviour of TQELM and Rdb:-  G The behaviour when exceeding TQELM is different from other quotas. When 
 you exceedE TQELM you will not get the error "quota exceeded" but your process is  put into a "wait queue" byD VMS hoping (and expecting) that one of the TQ entries will expire in the next future.B So the low value of 10 for TQELM was enough in the past. With this value set you can never E reach the internal RDMS limit of 100 and thus you will never see this  COSI error. F But since version 7 and especially version 7 of  CDD this low value of 10 for TQELM makesF some trouble, so CTs were advised to increase TQELM. But when they set TQELM to a valueC higher than 100 they were now able to exceed the internal Rdb table  thus getting the COSI error.   So I would try: E Set TQELM to 99. This will - I hope so - avoid the COSI error. If you  were lucky this willH only slow down a little bit your application (see above) ; if not ....:- (    Regards  Reinhold Dicke   Jan-erik Sderholm (QCG) wrote:    Hi. 
 Could be : UAF> help mod /tqelm   MODIFY     /TQELM  F      Specifies the total number of entries in the timer queue plus theE      number of temporary common event flag clusters that the user can 6      have at one time. By default, a user can have 10.   Regards  Jan-Erik Sderholm.    -----Original Message----- From: Ken Wolf [mailto:] Sent: den 24 oktober 2000 18:12  To:  Subject: timer quota  = Forewarning: I'm not an expert, so this might be a very silly  question...   F I have the same program running on at least five separate systems with6 no problem except on one system upon which I get this:  = >  Exception at 016A66EBC : COSI$TIMER_GET_REQIDT + 000000234 C > %RDMS-F-NOREQIDT, reached internal maximum number of simultaneous  timer 
 > requests > @ I'm running 7.0.4 on essentially the same hardware with the same version E of VMS, so the only thing I can think of is that some quota somewhere  is? different. Does anyone know off hand which quota that might be?    Thanks.   C ===================================================================  OracleRdb List Server   ? All SUBSCRIBE, SIGNOFF, and HELP requests should be directed to  oraclerdb-request@  @ Note: If your email address changes or your company changes it'sA format, you need to SIGNOFF under the old address and reSUBSCRIBE A using the new address or else you will lose the ability to change  your subscription status.  >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:54:18 GMT  From: a_haines@my-deja.com# Subject: Disk performance under VMS ) Message-ID: <8t8keo$rvn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   D We have some very performance critical systems that also need to logG information to disk. So, I have been doing some investigation into disk @ I/O performance (such as comparing RMS block I/O with Fast I/O).  A The configuration is VMS V7.1-2, 4 CPU ES40, 8192MB memory, HSZ80 A controller, OpenVMS shadow set of two Compaq BA03611C9B (17769177 G block) disks. The maximum_cached_transfer_size on the controller is set  to 127 for all disks.   B One test is to create a 500,000 block file at the beginning of theD empty disk and fill it with zeros using 127 block writes (either RMSC block I/O or $IO_PERFORMs). I record the elapsed & CPU time for the E write operations (not for file creation/deletion), then move the file F 1,000,000 LBN's down the disk and repeat the test, repeating until the end of the disk.  F It takes twice as long (35 seconds) to write the file at the end (highD LBN) of the disk than it does at the beginning (low LBN) of the disk
 (18 seconds).    Compaq have said:   E Data transfer at the beginning of a disk is faster then at the end of ' the disk. There are 2 reasons for this: F  1- at the start there are more sectors per rotation, so in 1 rotation" more sectors/data can be accessed.E  2- at the end of the disk has less sectors per rotation resulting in  more headmovements.   @ This is not what I expected. Does anyone have any views on this?    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:15:47 +0200 ( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>' Subject: Re: Disk performance under VMS & Message-ID: <39F7DA23.41D9FC4B@cli.de>   a_haines@my-deja.com wrote:  >  > G > Data transfer at the beginning of a disk is faster then at the end of ) > the disk. There are 2 reasons for this: H >  1- at the start there are more sectors per rotation, so in 1 rotation$ > more sectors/data can be accessed.G >  2- at the end of the disk has less sectors per rotation resulting in  > more headmovements.  > B > This is not what I expected. Does anyone have any views on this? > % That's the way every modern HD works. B The inner tracks are way shorter thaen the outer ones. So they canA put more sectors to the outer tracks. As all tracks have the same E rotation speed ( Constant Angular Velocity ) data on the outer tracks  come up faster.      --  ( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 09:55 CST ' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ' Subject: Re: Disk performance under VMS - Message-ID: <26OCT200009554444@gerg.tamu.edu>    a_haines@my-deja.com writes...G }It takes twice as long (35 seconds) to write the file at the end (high E }LBN) of the disk than it does at the beginning (low LBN) of the disk  }(18 seconds). }  }Compaq have said: } F }Data transfer at the beginning of a disk is faster then at the end of( }the disk. There are 2 reasons for this:G } 1- at the start there are more sectors per rotation, so in 1 rotation # }more sectors/data can be accessed. F } 2- at the end of the disk has less sectors per rotation resulting in }more headmovements. } A }This is not what I expected. Does anyone have any views on this?   F This is exactly what I would expect, and it is exactly what happens onH all hard drives currently manufactured on this planet that I am aware ofJ (there may be some that use variable rotational speeds to get a fixed data: transfer rate, but if there are I've never heard of them).  I Disks are recorded with constant density (bits/inch of track on the disk) D and they rotate at a fixed rotational speed (RPM). Thus an the outerI tracks the bits move by the head faster than an the inner tracks. A ratio I of 2:1 would indicate that the inner track is at half the radius that the I outer track is at (since circumference = 2 * pi * radius), if the timeing J is entirely due to the slower data rate (i.e. ignoring any additional head
 movement).   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:38:40 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>' Subject: Re: Disk performance under VMS , Message-ID: <8t9mn1$183a@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  K <a_haines@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8t8keo$rvn$1@nnrp1.deja.com...      > Compaq have said:  > G > Data transfer at the beginning of a disk is faster then at the end of C > the disk. This is not what I expected. Does anyone have any views 
 > on this?  I In the old days, disks really had sectors but then the disk manufacturers F got smart and realised that meant the physical bit density was uneven.8 So the orthogonal head/track/cylinder model is obsolete.  ? The technique goes by the name of Zone Bit Recording (ZBR). SeeD9 e.g. http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/95/HPL-95-124.html    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:48:17 +0100I, From: Jason Curzon <curzonjason@hotmail.com>A Subject: Earn $10 For Yourself And $10 For Each Of Your Referralsk6 Message-ID: <200010260755.HAA14379@smtp.screaming.net>  ^ **********************************************************************************************M THIS IS NOT SPAM. YOU ARE RECEIVING THIS MESSAGE BECAUSE YOU ARE A MEMBER OF aN A SMART-LIST. 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There are no strings attached, no hidden fees,  and it is free to join.r  Q To collect your $10 just click on the link below and you will be taken to a sign cM up form where you will receive your $10 and your referral link where you can t4 refer others to this quick money making opportunity.  S         https://www.readysecure.com/users/paymentaltcom/signup/index.asp?refer=5401y   All The Best   Jason Curzon   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:03:27 -0400E5 From: "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> 4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information6 Message-ID: <8t9dga$b72$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  I Additional Information:  Please note that the question was sent to me and.+ the answer provided by the product manager.h   Sue 3 ___________________________________________________   E Question:  I take it this is the same program that has been discussedfH recently in the comp.os.vms newsgroup. If so, the consensus is that it'sG good in principal, but the restriction to single user licenses makes it > somewhere between inconvenient and useless ( depending on your7 interpretation of the rules and individual situation ).:  I Answer  The term "single user" has more to do with how we envision peoplecE using this program and less to do with the nature of the PAKs we willmH deliver.  The new program includes exactly the same PAKs that are in theK OpenVMS Hobbyist program.  This includes a base o/s license for OpenVMS andCJ over 100 layered product licenses.  The base o/s license allows 2 users toH login.  There is no PAK included in the new Edu program at this time forL additional OpenVMS users, but such a PAK is part of the CSLG program, or canI be obtained through regular channels (i.e., your local account rep).  TheoL layered product PAKs in the new Edu program are not user limited and can run on any size system.o5 _____________________________________________________a    L Sue Skonetski wrote in message <8t6l06$lqq$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>...2 >As soon as I get more information I will post it. >S >sue5 >____________________________________________________- >- > E >At CETS in Los Angeles on October 3rd, Rich Marcello announced a newR programtI >for educational institutions to receive the OpenVMS base o/s license andtF >selected layered product licenses for free.  To view the announcement >article, go to: >lL >http://www.openvms.compaq.com/ebusiness_without_compromise/educational_lice nn >se.html >e >l >S >i   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 15:24:04 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information, Message-ID: <8t9iak$m7e@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  n In article <8t9dga$b72$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:J >Additional Information:  Please note that the question was sent to me and, >the answer provided by the product manager. >e >Sue  	 Dear Sue,-  J Please find a large rubber mallet and apply it liberally to the noggin of ( the deluded individual who decided that:  / >The base o/s license allows 2 users to login.    F Then force this, um, _MORON_, at gunpoint if necessary, to visit a fewK schools and see how many "2 user login" Unix and VMS systems he/she finds. cI I've NEVER seen a Unix or VMS system in use in an academic environment intE that mode.  (The only place I can even imagine getting away with thatiI limited a license, and with some difficulty, is on a bunch of VMS cluster(G nodes dedicated to parellel computing - but VMS is the wrong choice forhK that now because Linux outperforms it by a mile on typical code and most oftA the requisite parallel libraries are not even available on VMS.) A  B Compaq is not going to pick up a single new VMS user with this newH program if this limitation remains.  Currently the only possible use forJ this program seems to be as a method for obtaining a free base license forJ systems which will then go onto the ESL/CSLG. But all the systems already G in that program ALREADY have base licenses, so it is useless for them. -G Moreover, we don't even have a clear statement that licenseless systemsmK which use this new free base license will always be eligible for ESL/CSLG. nF We remember all too well when Digital flip-flopped on CSLG support forK clone Alphas, leaving more than a few people with licenseless machines.  InsI fact, there are two of them downstairs from me to constantly remind me ofh that event.   F I'm really appalled by this whole affair.  To have labored at this newJ education program for, what, 9 months?, and to have come up with a programF that's needlessly crippled and effectively useless to even the currentJ users, is well, just shocking.  So much for the VMS renaissance, at least E in academia.  Unless the Q gets serious about this program and stops  J screwing around with needless restrictions this baby's gonna be stillborn % when it finally appears in "Q4 2000".h   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech rJ **************************************************************************J *                                RIP VMS                                 *J **************************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 15:44:50 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information. Message-ID: <8t9jhi$qd0$1@info.service.rug.nl>  F In article <8t9dga$b72$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Sue Skonetski"( <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:   G > Question:  I take it this is the same program that has been discussedaJ > recently in the comp.os.vms newsgroup. If so, the consensus is that it'sI > good in principal, but the restriction to single user licenses makes it:@ > somewhere between inconvenient and useless ( depending on your9 > interpretation of the rules and individual situation ).l > K > Answer  The term "single user" has more to do with how we envision people G > using this program and less to do with the nature of the PAKs we will.J > deliver.  The new program includes exactly the same PAKs that are in theM > OpenVMS Hobbyist program.  This includes a base o/s license for OpenVMS andcL > over 100 layered product licenses.  The base o/s license allows 2 users toJ > login.  There is no PAK included in the new Edu program at this time forN > additional OpenVMS users, but such a PAK is part of the CSLG program, or canK > be obtained through regular channels (i.e., your local account rep).  TheCN > layered product PAKs in the new Edu program are not user limited and can run > on any size system.o   Thanks for the clarification.   . However, let me still ask the question "Why?".  ; As long as the hobbyist license is restricted to INDIVIDUAL F non-commercial use, as opposed to just non-commercial use, this makes F sense.  Although an individual might like to have different accounts, D two simultaneous logins is probably enough for practical purposes.  ) Having the PAK work this way makes sense.n  E However, in an academic environment, which is obviously what the new _H programme is intended for, it is completely common for several users to F be logged into the same machine simultaneously, EVEN IF EACH USER HAS I HIS OWN MACHINE ON HIS DESK.  Thus, it seems that the new programme will tD NOT allow VMS to be used in an academic environment in a normal way.  I True, DECcampus has multi-user licenses.  However, if one has DECcampus,  G then all the new programme brings one is the base license (though this bH is a valuable addition, since it will allow bean counters to have price @ parity between VMS and other systems).  So why not have the new   programme be JUST base licenses?  D Perhaps the reason for this, and the reason for not having multiple E users, is simply that it was easier to copy the hobbyist programme.   D Fair enough.  Again, though it's a bit of a juggle, one has all one D wants IF ONE HAS DECCAMPUS.  It seems to me, however, that the real I advantage of this new programme---to Compaq, to users in academia and to rF business and industry---is that it will allow many more people to get G acquainted with VMS.  OK, allowing multiple users in the new programme QE would essentially remove the need for DECcampus, with its associated  E revenue.  But surely the spin-off (more people familiar with VMS and  @ willing to buy such systems when they leave academia) more than  outweighs this loss in revenue.y  E It would be nice to hear confirmation that the reason for not having  D multiple users in the new programme is to keep a need for DECcampus  alive.  E A related topic would be whether the restriction is necessary for theSH hobbyist license.  Presumably, it is to combat abuse.  However, it seemsB to me that having more than one hobbyist on the same box is hardlyI abuse, and the spin-off potential (people learning about/keeping up with dE VMS) outweighs any potential harm.  (What abuse there is is probably   single-user commercial use.)  F While I'm on my soapbox, I'd like to hear something from Compaq as to D why there is no "startup license", i.e. let people use the hobbyist A license commercially until their profit exceeds the cost of real  H licenses by some margin.  No-one loses, everyone wins.  Many readers of F the newsgroup have pointed out how valuable this would be, and no-one G had any objections, but few Compaq folks commented.  I know some folks eF who would gladly buy real licenses as soon as they had made, say, ten G times their price in profit.  Under the current system, they might not fG startup at all, or if so not with VMS.  So again, why can't this exist?=H Under no circumstances will Compaq lose money, and they stand to gain a % lot.  And there's no risk, to anyone.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 13:44:09 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information+ Message-ID: <5mHWyX9vCnKe@eisner.decus.org>s  4 If they are the exactly the same PAKs as are in the 7 OpenVMS Hobbyist program, then you will have no problemb4 when multiple educational program users log into the same system.  6 In article <8t9dga$b72$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,7 "Sue Skonetski" <susan.skonetski@compaq.nospam> writes:c8 > Additional Information:  Please note that the question7 > was sent to me and the answer provided by the productd
 > manager. >  > Sue 5 > ___________________________________________________k > 8 > Question:  I take it this is the same program that has7 > been discussed recently in the comp.os.vms newsgroup.s6 > If so, the consensus is that it's good in principal,6 > but the restriction to single user licenses makes it8 > somewhere between inconvenient and useless ( depending4 > on your interpretation of the rules and individual > situation ). > 8 > Answer  The term "single user" has more to do with how6 > we envision people using this program and less to do7 > with the nature of the PAKs we will deliver.  The newl8 > program includes exactly the same PAKs that are in the5 > OpenVMS Hobbyist program.  This includes a base o/s 2 > license for OpenVMS and over 100 layered product3 > licenses.  The base o/s license allows 2 users to 9 > login.  There is no PAK included in the new Edu programa; > at this time for additional OpenVMS users, but such a PAKe9 > is part of the CSLG program, or can be obtained throughe7 > regular channels (i.e., your local account rep).  Thei: > layered product PAKs in the new Edu program are not user) > limited and can run on any size system.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:05:51 GMTh% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)j. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 34002 Message-ID: <39f7fd25.1450157516@news.newsguy.com>  6 On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:50:20 +0200, Marcin Szczecinski <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl> wrote:  ; >On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 at  1:10:36 +0000, Chris Chiesa wrote:aI >> This ran against the CPU card's built-in "thinwire" (coaxial) EthernetkJ >> port until a few months ago, then that "died" and he had to switch overN >> to using the built-in "thickwire" Ethernet port and a thickwire-to-thinwire >> transceiver. F >I have two microVAXen 3400 with this "illness". I have to replace oneG >small IC on KA processor front board. This chip is responsible for BNC.. >interface. And coax ethernet is alive again. J >AUI interface of 3400s does not depend on this IC so has been working OK.F >Only once I had to replace damaged AUI/BNC transceiver (so it was not >microVAX fault).  >oA >Please check thinwire transceivers and cables, terminators etc.   >o- >>  Now THAT has died, and he's called ME in.s' >What THAT? Transceiver? AUI interface?- >iL >> Neither panned out and all I could suggest was, "replace the CPU card" to3 >> get a whole new pair of built-in Ethernet ports.- >-G >You can choose interface (BNC or AUI) but there is only _one_ ethernetlF >port in microVAX 3400, not _pair_. You can not use BNC and AUI at the >same time.g >.J >>    2) ALL 3400 CPUs (KA-630? 640?  I don't remember) "expire" vis-a-visN >> their on board Ethernet capabilities, around this point in their lifetimes. >eI >I dont think so. My microVAXen are working without "ethernet expiration" @ >for several years (and will work for another several - I hope).  C I think the front panel problem might be mechanical. As long as the E ethernet connection isn't disturbed everything is fine. If you are atnF the other extreme and have a 3400 where the door doesn't shut properlyF because the connection sticks out or the cable is likely to be tripped+ over then the problem might be more likely.i  F I think Hoff posted that the CPU and front panel are always changed atA the same time - unless I misunderstood him - but when we had thistD problem last field service replaced the CPU board and only when that% didn't work replaced the front panel.e  F Basically what I'm saying in all these posts is if the front panel wasA replaced along with the cpu then it's not that. If it wasn't thenp replace it iimmediately.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 04:22:52 -0400d- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>s Subject: Re: Fortune cookies?s, Message-ID: <39F7E9DB.8E6A2C4C@videotron.ca>   Paul Sture wrote: S > And speaking of nostalgia, does anyone know the whereabouts of plane.exe ("you'velP > landed in the cornfield"), and trek.exe? IIRC, both from the late seventies or3 > early eighties, and still ran on (at least) V5.2.D   I have a8 	strek.exe, dating back to 1988, and seems to run on 7.2 	slots.exe dating back to 1986 	tetris.exe dating back to 1991n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:24:52 +0200n8 From: Wolfgang Angenendt <angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de> Subject: FTP+Socks5 or SCP3 Message-ID: <39F7DC44.30DB3F65@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de>d  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.  & --Boundary_(ID_AKhW0MdpCEbARzKiU7kMyg)* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii+ Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLEe   Hello,  F we are using secure copy on our unix machines. Now I'm searching for = a. secure copyp for OpenVMS.  5 Also, I try to find a FTP-Client with socks5 support.-  3 Does anyone know, if this is available for OpenVMS?o   regardsu Wolfgang        & --Boundary_(ID_AKhW0MdpCEbARzKiU7kMyg)@ Content-type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name=angenendt.vcf0 Content-description: Card for Wolfgang Angenendt7 Content-disposition: attachment; filename=angenendt.vcf*+ Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLEV   begin:vcard=20 n:Angenendt;Wolfgang tel;fax:(0208) 306 2981Y tel;work:(0208) 306 2132 x-mozilla-html:FALSE" url:http://www.mpi-muelheim.mpg.de; org:Max-Planck-Institut f=FCr Kohlenforschung;Rechenzentrum*; adr:;;Kaiser-Wilhelm-Platz 1;46466 M=FClheim an der Ruhr;;;a version:2.1 , email;internet:angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Angenendt, Wolfgang	 end:vcardr    ( --Boundary_(ID_AKhW0MdpCEbARzKiU7kMyg)--   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:35:41 GMTh% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)o Subject: Re: FTP+Socks5 or SCP2 Message-ID: <39f80860.1453033051@news.newsguy.com>  6 On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:24:52 +0200, Wolfgang Angenendt& <angenendt@mpi-muelheim.mpg.de> wrote:  - >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.c >p' >--Boundary_(ID_AKhW0MdpCEbARzKiU7kMyg) + >Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-asciie, >Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE >  >Hello,: >wG >we are using secure copy on our unix machines. Now I'm searching for =  >a >secure copy
 >for OpenVMS.- >-6 >Also, I try to find a FTP-Client with socks5 support. >04 >Does anyone know, if this is available for OpenVMS?  E Maybe not what you are looking for but Mozilla M18 has SOCKS support.8D Not sure if the relased Netscape Gold does but maybe a GUI client is no use anyway.     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:10:56 -0400_' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu>_) Subject: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1 ' Message-ID: <39F7A0C0.1D1F0A9B@rpi.edu>y   Hello,C     Thanks for all the help with getting VMS so I can reinstall ouriH VAXstation 4.  However, we also have another VAX which has unfortunatelyE turned into a long-term project that keeps encountering hurdles.  The F machine in question is a big VAX 8530.  We have a TU81+ tape drive forF it, from which I hope to install the operating system (getting someoneH to help make the tape won't be too difficult).  However, the big problemG comes into play with the "Standalone BACKUP" RX50 floppy disk set.  You H see, the machine can only boot from media on the console machine (Pro380A running P/OS and console software/hardware).  The console is only H capable of reading floppies in the ODS-1 format.  I've been working withF one guy to get the disks made, however, a big problem cropped up.  NotE only did the STABACKIT.COM script create disks in the ODS-2 format byr? default, but the older ODS-1 format imposes certain file namingnG restrictions that make it completely incompatable with that script even_= if I have it format the disks with "INITIALIZE /STRUCTURE=1".3G     So, does anyone have or know how to make the RX50 standalone backup.F floppies in the ODS-1 format?  This is the only format the console canB read, and thus it is the only format I can use for bringing up the machine.   Thanks,r     Derek Konigsberg     konigd@rpi.edu$     RPI Electronics Club (president)-     http://www.rpi.edu/dept/union/electronicsh.     (pictures of the 8530 are on our web page)   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 11:21:36 GMT@ From: Matthias Maisenbacher <Matthias.Maisenbacher@de.bosch.com>+ Subject: Re: How many files are on my disk?sE Message-ID: <slrn8vg4ts.573.matthias.maisenbacher@si7654.si.bosch.de>    Hi,i  * first, I'd like to thank all who answered.@ For this time my system management did add a new disk to the set an we can continue to work now.k  = Yesterday (in the progress of uncoordinated file deletings) Ih@ wrote a little dcl routine which produces (and counts) new files7 and then outputs the count (and deletes all the files).a) This was my personal non-system approach.   ; For ifurther monitoring tasks I'll try to get dfu installede& (and used by those who are privileged)      Matthiasr  # And, btw. and because it was asked:c0 It is a mixed Vax/Alpha Cluster under VMS 6.2      ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 12:41:59 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>e/ Subject: Re: HP4050 vs HP4050TN when using DCPStH Message-ID: <y4r953x4so.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  V Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) writes:  J >         I've seen  that  happen  on  our  HP8000DN.   It happen (severalJ >     times)  when I tried printing a Postscript file (from VMS) that  theJ >     printer couldn't interpret, and I believe I've also seen  it  happenJ >     with  files  printed  from PC's (via lpr/lpd to the VMS DCPS queue).J >     Seems like yet another "glitch" in HP's Postscript emulator, sigh...  H First item on Adobe's "Don'ts" list is putting something into the systemM dictionary. First thing MS Word does (or at least did) was to put everything,aJ including its proprietary font encoding, into the system dictionary. Yuck.- Reboot the printer after every Word printout.e   	Jan   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:42:36 GMTs7 From: trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk)s Subject: Re: license problemst5 Message-ID: <39f84eb5.171780056@news.telusplanet.net>t   When I do a show users I get:y  7       OpenVMS User Processes at 26-OCT-2000 09:39:22.50 7     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 5p  -  Username     Interactive  Subprocess   Batchy  UserX           5  E However, I don't think that anyone else is logged in.  As you can see,E thre are five sessions going and noone at the site is logged in.  HowaF do I kill user sessions, or can I find out where they are coming from?D The last time I was there I was logged in via the serial port.  If IC neglected to log out could this be using up a session?  Could it be, using 4 sessions?C  D On 25 Oct 2000 22:11:23 GMT, brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) wrote:  9 >Trevor Osatchuk (trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com) wrote:  > I >: licenses: net-app-sup-150 with 1050 units, openvms-alpha with 12 units*( >: and openvms-alpha-adl with 400 units. >-I >The 400 units is 4 users.  In another reply, Richard Frank said that youi, >got 2 users with the openvms-alpha license. > H >So how many users are logged on locally and remotely TOTAL when you get' >the "license limits exceeded" message?q >m >- Rob >n >k >--s >--s >e0 >Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com7 >G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice) 5 >Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)n2 >                                 http://gmcl.com/   Trevor Osatchuke   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:00:48 +0200i, From: Paul McCabe <paul.mccabe@cognotec.com> Subject: RE: license problems 8 Message-ID: <01C03F76.B03666E0.paul.mccabe@cognotec.com>   Try doing the followingh   Show users/full     L This should/will give you the location (terminal id or ip address) of where I the "users" are logged in.  You will also get the PID of the users which l+ you can kill by issuing stop/id=pid-number.v     Paul.r   <<<u   When I do a show users I get:e  7       OpenVMS User Processes at 26-OCT-2000 09:39:22.50h7     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 5u  -  Username     Interactive  Subprocess   Batch   UserX           5  E However, I don't think that anyone else is logged in.  As you can seeeE thre are five sessions going and noone at the site is logged in.  How F do I kill user sessions, or can I find out where they are coming from?D The last time I was there I was logged in via the serial port.  If IC neglected to log out could this be using up a session?  Could it ben using 4 sessions?t  D On 25 Oct 2000 22:11:23 GMT, brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) wrote:  9 >Trevor Osatchuk (trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com) wrote:a >cI >: licenses: net-app-sup-150 with 1050 units, openvms-alpha with 12 unitsn( >: and openvms-alpha-adl with 400 units. >tI >The 400 units is 4 users.  In another reply, Richard Frank said that youu, >got 2 users with the openvms-alpha license. >nH >So how many users are logged on locally and remotely TOTAL when you get' >the "license limits exceeded" message?o >M >- Rob >d >  >--a >--  >i0 >Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com7 >G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)n5 >Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)t2 >                                 http://gmcl.com/   Trevor Osatchuk       H ************************************************************************O This email, its contents and any files attached are intended only for the named L addressee. They contain information which may be confidential and/or legallyK privileged. If you are not the named addressee or if you have received thisaN email in error, (a) you may not, without the consent of Cognotec, copy, use orK rely on any information or attachments in any way and (b) please notify the O sender by return email and delete it from your email system.  Unless separatelydG agreed, Cognotec does not accept any responsibility for the accuracy oreH completeness of the contents of this email or its attachments or for anyC contractual commitments contained in this email or its attachments.oH ************************************************************************   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:01:41 GMTo7 From: trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk)  Subject: Re: license problemsv5 Message-ID: <39f85379.173000341@news.telusplanet.net>i   Stupid, stupid, stupid...t   UserX> sho users /ful 7       OpenVMS User Processes at 26-OCT-2000 09:52:12.69 7     Total number of users = 1,  number of processes = 5a  *  Username Process Name    PID     TerminalD  UserX  UserX       0000005B  TNA5:    (Host: 172.22.64.9      Port: 1030 )E UserX  _TNA110:      00000159  TNA110:  (Host: 172.22.128.59    Port:, 2919 )F  UserX  _TNA12:       00000062  TNA12:   (Host: 172.22.64.9      Port: 1031 )E  UserX _TNA31:       00000098  TNA31:   (Host: 172.22.64.9      Port:x 1029 )F  UserX  _TNA6:        0000005C  TNA6:    (Host: 172.22.64.9      Port: 1030 )  : So, it seems as though all of the sessions are coming fromF 172.22.64.9.  Now, I cannot ping this fellow so it is probably someoneF who is logging in with a laptop and then not disconncting properly.  IC am trying to find a way to kill via PID.  Is my newbieness showing?n Trevor Osatchukg   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:05:36 GMTs7 From: trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk)a Subject: Re: license problems 5 Message-ID: <39f8548c.173275867@news.telusplanet.net>-   Uh, how about:   stop process /id=PID?5    D Now that I have figured out how to undo the damage, how can I figure: out why this is happening?  Is this from improper logouts?  B Well, at least some of you are getting good laugh out of this one!   Trevor Osatchukb   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:08:09 GMTr7 From: trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk)d Subject: Re: license problemsq5 Message-ID: <39f85567.173494471@news.telusplanet.net>   C Thanks Paul, I figured that one out about 2 minutes after I posted.aF Just not with it today!!  If you look at my other posts you can get an* average time for my minor VMS revalations! Trevor Osatchuk    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:02:41 +0100s, From: Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com>, Subject: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?? Message-ID: <85256984.004A5B55.00@emea-smtp-04.systems.uk.hsbc>   > We have been informed here that CA is given by Compaq at theirF discretion and are not able to supply us now with a copy that will runD on DS10/20. It is murky as to the reasons but there are strong hintsD this is tied to a hardware contract. The hardware contract was movedF from Compaq recently though we maintain a large software contract with* them. Anyone else seen anything like this? Thanks Paul      D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, please B  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.-  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure ornA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,e>  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of ?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.o  aD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office a=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly  A  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so r3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.e  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:17:38 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auw0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?5 Message-ID: <01JVT0JYYT8I005TXU@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>o  ? >We have been informed here that CA is given by Compaq at their G >discretion and are not able to supply us now with a copy that will runiE >on DS10/20. It is murky as to the reasons but there are strong hints E >this is tied to a hardware contract. The hardware contract was movedeG >from Compaq recently though we maintain a large software contract withy+ >them. Anyone else seen anything like this?   J We cannot blame Compaq for all our problems -- just 99% with VMS problems.  O Recent threads suggest that a certain RP was slightly (197.78 %) to blame.  He nM dumped all and every bit of VMS anywhere.  A good dumping ground was CA, who yL were known to kill anything that had been well engineered in order to foist Q their "product" at some inflated cost onto the unwary market.  VMS managers were  K assumed to be as gullible as NT/W2K (whatever Micro$haft $hit) managers or g "managers".y  K Quick summary, the concensus here is avoid CA like you would AIDS.  Wear a rK condom if you ever speak to anyone in CA trying to promulgate any of their vL products.  It's like sitting on infected toilet seats.  Or the crude bungie 
 jumping joke.l   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,h
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.i   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:40:58 GMT,= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)i0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?0 Message-ID: <009F22A0.2982CF93@SendSpamHere.ORG>  ] In article <01JVT0JYYT8I005TXU@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:l@ >>We have been informed here that CA is given by Compaq at theirH >>discretion and are not able to supply us now with a copy that will runF >>on DS10/20. It is murky as to the reasons but there are strong hintsF >>this is tied to a hardware contract. The hardware contract was movedH >>from Compaq recently though we maintain a large software contract with, >>them. Anyone else seen anything like this? > K >We cannot blame Compaq for all our problems -- just 99% with VMS problems.e  G ...and d|i|g|i|t|a|l branded hardware.  I've invested a good deal of mydH own money in VMS and d|i|g|i|t|a|l branded hardware.  Certainly not any-G where near the $$$s spent even by a small corporatation so why sh/would G Compaq care about me.  However, I find it now next to impossible to get.H a simple part for maintaining some of my older yet still viable and val-H uable equipment.  I don't know if others are with me on this but it doesG piss me off enough that if I were in other shoes I would not consider a= purchase from Compaq!t    P >Recent threads suggest that a certain RP was slightly (197.78 %) to blame.  He N >dumped all and every bit of VMS anywhere.  A good dumping ground was CA, who M >were known to kill anything that had been well engineered in order to foist  R >their "product" at some inflated cost onto the unwary market.  VMS managers were L >assumed to be as gullible as NT/W2K (whatever Micro$haft $hit) managers or  >"managers". >uL >Quick summary, the concensus here is avoid CA like you would AIDS.  Wear a L >condom if you ever speak to anyone in CA trying to promulgate any of their M >products.  It's like sitting on infected toilet seats.  Or the crude bungie  M                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ e >jumping joke.
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^n  " Gee, I missed that one -- do tell.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COMs             O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.t   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:49:43 -0400TR From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com)0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?0 Message-ID: <00102609494394@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  ( paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au wrote inM <01JVT0JYYT8I005TXU@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au> on Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:17:38 +0010:S  A > >We have been informed here that CA is given by Compaq at theiraI > >discretion and are not able to supply us now with a copy that will run-G > >on DS10/20. It is murky as to the reasons but there are strong hintsgG > >this is tied to a hardware contract. The hardware contract was movedDI > >from Compaq recently though we maintain a large software contract withg- > >them. Anyone else seen anything like this?4 > L > We cannot blame Compaq for all our problems -- just 99% with VMS problems. > Q > Recent threads suggest that a certain RP was slightly (197.78 %) to blame.  He 3O > dumped all and every bit of VMS anywhere.  A good dumping ground was CA, who gN > were known to kill anything that had been well engineered in order to foist S > their "product" at some inflated cost onto the unwary market.  VMS managers were .M > assumed to be as gullible as NT/W2K (whatever Micro$haft $hit) managers or 0
 > "managers".a > M > Quick summary, the concensus here is avoid CA like you would AIDS.  Wear a nM > condom if you ever speak to anyone in CA trying to promulgate any of their vN > products.  It's like sitting on infected toilet seats.  Or the crude bungie  > jumping joke.o  G I agree with Paddy's statements about avoiding Computer Associates, but L Paul Beaudoin, the original sender, was referring to "Compaq Analyse" as CA, not Computer Associates. i  N At a previous job, I was told the same thing by DEC Field Service. The programC is only officially available to customers on maintenance contracts.l   Sorry about that.c  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919 ; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919t5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:55:58 GMTe( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?' Message-ID: <G31IpA.654@spcuna.spc.edu>i  . Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com> writes:I [A followup by a different author apparently confused CA (Compaq Analyze,eJ a field service tool) with CA (Complete A$$h0!e$) who acquire products and5 then jack up the prices, along with other evil acts.]e  @ > We have been informed here that CA is given by Compaq at theirH > discretion and are not able to supply us now with a copy that will runF > on DS10/20. It is murky as to the reasons but there are strong hintsF > this is tied to a hardware contract. The hardware contract was movedH > from Compaq recently though we maintain a large software contract with, > them. Anyone else seen anything like this?  I   Both DECevent and Compaq Analyze are diagnostic tools. DECevent (and, I2G assume, CA) have a basic operation mode that doesn't require a license,eI and in that mode replace the old ANALYZE/ERROR functionality), and an ad-sG vanced operation mode which requires a license PAK. That PAK is tied tofG having a valid field service contract *or* an active hardware warranty.   F   I thought the warranty on DS10/DS20's was 3 years? You're paying for 3rd-party service?  H   In any event, the DECevent/CA tools can be downloaded from the serviceF tools page at: http://www.support.compaq.com/svctools/st-download.htmlF Again, you'll need a license PAK to enable the advanced functionality.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAs   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 10:06 CSTr' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)n0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?- Message-ID: <26OCT200010062292@gerg.tamu.edu>r  ) paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes...-@ }>We have been informed here that CA is given by Compaq at theirH }>discretion and are not able to supply us now with a copy that will runF }>on DS10/20. It is murky as to the reasons but there are strong hintsF }>this is tied to a hardware contract. The hardware contract was movedH }>from Compaq recently though we maintain a large software contract with, }>them. Anyone else seen anything like this? } K }We cannot blame Compaq for all our problems -- just 99% with VMS problems.A } P }Recent threads suggest that a certain RP was slightly (197.78 %) to blame.  He N }dumped all and every bit of VMS anywhere.  A good dumping ground was CA, who M }were known to kill anything that had been well engineered in order to foist gR }their "product" at some inflated cost onto the unwary market.  VMS managers were L }assumed to be as gullible as NT/W2K (whatever Micro$haft $hit) managers or  }"managers". } L }Quick summary, the concensus here is avoid CA like you would AIDS.  Wear a L }condom if you ever speak to anyone in CA trying to promulgate any of their M }products.  It's like sitting on infected toilet seats.  Or the crude bungie 2 }jumping joke. }  }Regards, Paddy.  B It would appear that you have mistaken the "CA" in the body of hisD message for the wrong "CA". He is talking about "Compaq Analyze" (orC do they really spell it with an "s"?), which has nothing to do withGD "Computer Associates" (or whatever that version of "CA" stands for).  H In fact, if you use your assumed meaning of "CA" his post makes no senseH whatsoever. Take the first sentance, for example: I seriously doubt thatI Compaq has ever given CA (the company called CA) to anybody as they don'toG own it, it is also hard to copy a Company, and it probably won't run onp1 a DS10/20 since it is a company and not software.h  A Another big hint would have been the subject line of the message.m   --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:18:06 +0100 , From: Nick Lewis <nick_lewis@flextech.co.uk>% Subject: Multi-processor Alpha serveru. Message-ID: <39F8593E.B4306ECE@flextech.co.uk>  B I wish to upgrade my current single CPU Alphaserver 1200 (Compaq).  F Can someone confirm whether VMS supports and utililses multi-processorG hardware and also how the upgrade needs to be handled from an OS level.    Thanks,n
 Nick Lewis   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 16:57:14 GMT0 From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>) Subject: Re: Multi-processor Alpha servert+ Message-ID: <8t9npa$3c6$1@bob.news.rcn.net>l  Q On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:18:06 +0100, Nick Lewis <nick_lewis@flextech.co.uk> wrote:sD > I wish to upgrade my current single CPU Alphaserver 1200 (Compaq).H > Can someone confirm whether VMS supports and utililses multi-processorI > hardware and also how the upgrade needs to be handled from an OS level.h  C As I remember, you apply the multiprocessor license, bring it down,sF put the new cpu in, and bring it back up again.  I assume you're using, a recent version of VMS (at least V7.1-1H1).  & Eventually you'll want to run autogen.   -- O& Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 23:03:32 -0400 ' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu>s' Subject: Re: Need VMS on tape cartridgee' Message-ID: <39F79F03.6DB2498B@rpi.edu>0  I Thanks a lot for all the responses :)  However, through this thread, I'verI already made contact with someone who can help me.  If for some reason it*I doesn't work out, at least I know that there are many friendly people outd there I can turn to. -Derek   Derek Konigsberg wrote:    > Hello,F >     We've got a VAXstation 4 with a TK70 tape drive that I'd like toE > reinstall VMS on.  I think the drive takes the same cartridges as atJ > TK50, but I'm not completely sure.  Anyways, I would use the OpenVMS/VAXH > hobbyist CD that I purchased, except for one big problem.  Any attemptE > of mine to interface this DEC CD-ROM drive to the SCSI bus seems todH > result in the blowing of fuses that cost $1.30 each time.  I'd like toI > avoid interfacing anything to the machine besides the drives already ineD > it, so tape install would be ideal.  The machine's previous OS wasE > VAX/VMS 5.5-2.  Any version from that or newer would be acceptable.-% > I'll pay for the tape and shipping.0 >:	 > Thanks,  >     Derek Konigsberg >     konigd@rpi.edu& >     RPI Electronics Club (president)   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 09:00:05 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: open an Imac?+ Message-ID: <LpRy$k2tWqx7@eisner.decus.org>u  G   Before I dice into a flood of Mac newgroup messages, does anyone hereI1   happend to know how to open the case on a iMac?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupUE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying0   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:05:22 -0400:, From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> Subject: Re: open an Imac?> Message-ID: <hshubs-B139ED.08052226102000@news.mindspring.com>  J In article <LpRy$k2tWqx7@eisner.decus.org>, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob  Koehler) wrote:   H >  Before I dice into a flood of Mac newgroup messages, does anyone here2 >  happend to know how to open the case on a iMac?   Which version of iMac?  M Try comp.sys.mac.system .  No matter what, that -will- be the first question.e -- - Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:40:06 -0700u! From: Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.comt Subject: Re: open an Imac?D Message-ID: <OFCDEED2C0.DDB62F00-ON88256984.005B83C9@foundation.com>  2 Might I suggest a sledgehammer, or a chainsaw? ;-)   Shaneh          @ koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) on 10/26/2000 07:00:05 AM   To:   Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come cc:l   Subject:  open an Imac?.      G   Before I dice into a flood of Mac newgroup messages, does anyone here 1   happend to know how to open the case on a iMac?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation-= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:21:25 +0200 8 From: "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)" <kesu@xs4all.be>+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Resource Kitt* Message-ID: <8t8pjq$n0l$1@news1.xs4all.nl>   Hi,t  D Any idea how to acquire this kit in Europe (I'm located in Belgium).E When I tried to order the TRK via the Compaq web-site, the order formmF refused my address (we do not have the notion of "states" in Europe as they have in the US).lK I mailed the webmaster about this a week or two ago I guess; but as to date  I didn't receive a reply yet.t So any pointers are welcome.  
 Greetings,   -- Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)r& VMS Wizard in training, Guru wanna be!  # In a world without walls and fencesp who needs windows and gates?  $ Andy Bustamante wrote in message ...
 >Yes and Yes.  >eA >It's student workbooks in PDF format for the 8 or so courses thea? >ASE program recommends.  I reviewed these for a few weeks thenr >took the VMS exam.n >  >--a >Andy Bustamante >Alpha/OpenVMS ASE >i >Remove the ASCII 95s to reply7 ><fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messagesG >news:OF77C7F13C.BD9E53AA-ON83256983.004C5C5C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...nJ >> Did  anyone bought the OpenVMS Technical Resource Kit ???? Is it useful >> ????a >>
 >> Regards >> >> FCn >> >> >g >r   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:51:20 -0700m( From: Diane Burns-Giles <burns@salk.edu>/ Subject: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...d3 Message-ID: <v04220800b61e10856dd0@[198.202.69.21]>o  F Are there are systems out there running Pathworks for Macintosh(1.3A, F unsupported) and running vms 7.2-1?  I'm currently running 7.1 axp/vmsA but I'm not sure what is going to happen when I upgrade to 7.2-1.a  L Also, are there any other ways to print from axp/vms to an apple laserwriter or do file sharing on a mac?   thanks in advance, diane             ;,//;,    ,;/       o:::::::;;///       >::::::::;;\\\s        ''\\\\\'" ';\    +   Diane Burns-Giles     o    burns@salk.eduo6   The Salk Institute    o    tel: (619) 453-4100 x12460   Computer Services     o    fax: (619) 453-5218   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 06:36:01 +0100n5 From: "Adrian Lumsden" <A.Lumsden@spamtrap.xdt.co.uk>e! Subject: Re: PCL escape sequenses . Message-ID: <8t8h6k$dt7$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk>  8 Phil Howell <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote in message, news:6yNJ5.7626$SF5.150022@ozemail.com.au... >a0 > Bill Stouffer <farm@erie.net> wrote in message+ > news:sveuo772lgce8e@corp.supernews.com...h5 > > How do I edit a file containing escape sequences,h > >pF > > I am attempting to setup a pcl printer configuration and can't get tpu to > > handle the escape codes. >w > I use edit/edt< > you can insert special characters like escape (decimal 27)# > using the SPECINS keypad functionA( > so GOLD 2 7 GOLD SPECINS inserts <ESC>@ > If you do a SET KEYPAD EDT you can probably do the same in tpu > Phil >i  = A quick way to insert <ESC> using EDT is to press <ESC><ESC>.l  8 Saves you a few keystrokes and improves productivity :-)  8 Maybe the original poster's problem with EDT is that the< file has records longer than 255 bytes. EDT chokes on these.     regards,   Adrian   --( Adrian Lumsden, XDT Computer Systems, UK" A dot Lumsden at xdt dot co dot uk   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:48:19 GMT  From: r.m@mailandnews.com-! Subject: Re: PCL escape sequenses0. Message-ID: <39f85f64.55523959@news-2.csn.net>  1 On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:30:43 +1100, "Phil Howell"A" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au> wrote:   >A/ >Bill Stouffer <farm@erie.net> wrote in message0* >news:sveuo772lgce8e@corp.supernews.com...4 >> How do I edit a file containing escape sequences, >>L >> I am attempting to setup a pcl printer configuration and can't get tpu to >> handle the escape codes.i >I use edit/edt/; >you can insert special characters like escape (decimal 27) " >using the SPECINS keypad function' >so GOLD 2 7 GOLD SPECINS inserts <ESC>m? >If you do a SET KEYPAD EDT you can probably do the same in tpuh  D QUOTE is the command for inserting any character in TPU. The default1 configuration for TPU is to use Ctrl-V for QUOTE.e   ------------------------------  / Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:35:12 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)6 Message-ID: <200010260631.IAA23157@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  D to use ghostview may be a solution, but I do not have so lot of timeD to install ghostview (AFAIK which need ghostscript) and to be a helpI desk for it's user. To use DPS, I have to do only my normal work (upgradeoG OpenVMS and DECWindows Motif). So the better way should be, that Compaq F let be DPS as a part of OpenVMS without any support (as they did with D DECWrite). Then still we can use DPS as PS previewer and DECWrite to build our documents.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:19:51 GMTo% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)a$ Subject: Re: PDF under OpenVMS (DPS)2 Message-ID: <39f802fd.1451654018@news.newsguy.com>  = On 25 Oct 2000 16:30:49 PDT, Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Kenk4 Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) wrote:    (I was  quiteI >    upset  to  have  the  computer  tell  _me_  that _it_ had decided to I >    download an install updates to a whole bunch of stuff I knew nothinggH >    about...and I had no say-so whether it was going to do it or not!).  E Welcome to Windows 2000 Automatic Update. I've seen cases where I gotoB a critical update one day followed by some critical updates to theB critical updates over the next few days. To be fair though you can@ turn this off and it certainly isn't the default for it to do it9 without asking you. Somone must have set this explicitly.0  I >        Really, that one  experience  has  left  me  with post-traumaticcB >    stress syndrome!  <insert half-smiley, or maybe just a third> >DI >        I'm now more committed than ever  to stay away from BGinc.  Macsr( >    are OK; PCs are insidiously evil... >.
 >        -KenO >--0N > Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu; > SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924h; > Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515rO > -----------------------------------------------------------------------------aC > These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...n   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:29:33 GMTc% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) " Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?2 Message-ID: <39f7f409.1447825132@news.newsguy.com>  > On 25 Oct 2000 21:38:27 GMT, inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) wrote:  3 >In article <39f3f412.1185688119@news.newsguy.com>,k' >Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:eC >>Were console  front end terminal lines really not supported under E >>TOPS-10? That was the normal connection method with TOPS-20. We hadl5 >>128 serial lines on the front end without problems.  >nE >They were not supported with the 1091 first came out (version 7.00).wE >By 7.02, they were supported.  The thing that gave the system a real ; >workout was a smooth-scrolling VT100 running at 9600 baud.o  E We had quite a number of these connected and I don't recall them evereD causing problems under TOPS-20. The only problems I do remember were= those caused by long lines and some problems when we tried toyA introduce autobaud. The word "Doorbell" comes to mind but I can'tt? remember if fhis was an 11 error or a TOPS-20  BUGCHK/BUGINF. IiA certainly do recall that the DEC-10 (1091) along the road ran itsbB terminals at far lower line speeds than we did on the 20 and I was! never able to make sense of this.n  F Ah wait... a bit more about autobaud comes to mind. I think every timeF a line autobauded  an RSX process was kicked off (MIDNIT.EXE?) to syncB the speeds recorded on the KL with that on the 11. This frequentlyC seemed to cause problems. In the end I patched out the code callingpD this and patched TOPS-20 to always assign a high speed (greater than? 1200 baud) buffer for all lines. That way it didn't matter thatdE TOPS-20 wasn't aware of the actual line speed.  Could TOPS-10 perhapscF have used smaller buffers by default for communicating with the 11 forE tty traffic than TOPS-20? I can no longer recall much beyond my basic D description above but I know that buffer sizes on TOPS-20 made a bigD difference. While I had WHEEL on the 20 I never was more than a user on the DEC-10.  C However I also think I disabled XONN/XOFF flow control on the linesTD linking the 10 and the 20 and had this handled by the comms softwareA (MACRO-10/MACRO-20). Seemed to allow things to run better and thenA input buffers were large enough to cope with a few more charcterso6 coming along before the software responded to and XOFF  F One of the terminal concentrators on the DEC-10 was actually an (ICL?)A MOD-1 computer running a port of the ANF-10 code writen by Dundeeh@ University. None of it's lines exceeded 1200 baud. It frequently- rebooted and loaded itself from paper tape...a   These were the days,,,   >	-Joe >--S9 >See http://www.inwap.com/ for PDP-10 and "ReBoot" pages.?   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 14:32:00 GMT0 From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?5 Message-ID: <8t9f90$17f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>   2 In article <39f7f409.1447825132@news.newsguy.com>,& Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:@ : On 25 Oct 2000 21:38:27 GMT, inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) wrote: : 5 : >In article <39f3f412.1185688119@news.newsguy.com>,c) : >Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote: E : >>Were console  front end terminal lines really not supported undernG : >>TOPS-10? That was the normal connection method with TOPS-20. We hadm7 : >>128 serial lines on the front end without problems.n : >tG : >They were not supported with the 1091 first came out (version 7.00).hG : >By 7.02, they were supported.  The thing that gave the system a real = : >workout was a smooth-scrolling VT100 running at 9600 baud.  : G : We had quite a number of these connected and I don't recall them ever % : causing problems under TOPS-20. ...r :eF I remember this quite well.  We had just installed our first DEC-20 inG 1977 when our DEC salesperson brought a brand-new VT100 to show it off.iJ We connected it to a front-end port at 9600 bps, enabled smooth scrolling,H TYPE'd a file, and the front end crashed right away because of the floodG of Xoffs and Xons.  As soon as it came back, it crashed again, etc etc.s  F A similar incident had occurred previously when one of our programmersI fell asleep on the keyboard of his (non-VT100) terminal, causing the keysoI to autorepeat.  When we complained to DEC about this vulnerability, theirmE answer was "don't do that".  Similarly for terminals that had a "pagesF transmit" function.  But when their own VT100 became the culprit, they! tightened up RSX20F pretty quick.n  K Nevertheless, the front end was very definitely designed with only people'sCD fingers in mind on the input side.  Even after the fixes, RSX20F wasH markedly intolerant of large bursts of input.  Which is why the original9 Kermit protocol enforced a 94-byte maximum packet length.o   - Frankp   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:39:13 GMTe* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers) Message-ID: <8t9c60$e34$1@nnrp1.deja.com>b  , In article <39F785DC.DC3C8FB@earthlink.net>,:   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:H > > Let me rephrase my question. You are the system manager. You want toF > > delete a job called SOME_JOB. So, you issue the command SHOW ENTRYH > > SOME_JOB to get its entry number. Then, only a few seconds later (itH > > takes a few seconds to type it and press RET), you issue the command@ > > "DELETE/ENTRY entry-number" to delete the job. My concern is
 whether itH > > is possible that ***during those few seconds***, unbeknownst to you,F > > the job SOME_JOB just happens to complete, and then, subsequently,F > > another user submits a job that just happens to get the same entry > > number.i >o& > Well, understand what you're asking: >c
 > Example: >nE > 1. There are currently 978 entries in the system, entry 1 thru 978,e@ > either executing, pending or holding (/HOLD or timed-release). >s' > 2. Entry 765 completes at 22:00:00.00r >h, > 3. At 22:00:00.50, user XYZ SUBMITs a job. > G > What you're REALLY asking is, will XYZ's job be assigned entry numberh > 765? >m   I know what I was asking.c  E In this case I would not be worried, as there are 22 entry numbers toa@ spare (unless I had an app that cranked out many queue jobs very@ quickly -- I believe another poster mentioned just such an app).  H > Again, I've never seen a VMS system where the count of available entryD > numbers represented a finite set. So, I'd tend to believe, pending proofu  G I've seen them on different systems cycle from 1 to 1000 and 1 to 2000.e Those are finite sets.  E > otherwise, that XYZ's job would receive the next entry number, 979.c EvenH > if the existing jobs were 1 thru 999, I'd have to believe that the new > job would become entry 1000.  D So what you're sayig is, entries 1 thru 999 exist. The next job getsG 1000. OK. Suppose that you then want to delete a job. You get the entryrB number from a "show entry" command, and it's job 999. Job 999 thenC dies, another user starts a job, then you finally finish typing theyF delete/entry=999 command. If the range of numbers hasn't been expandedG before that user started his job (and I'm assuming the current range isdA 1 to 1000), that user's job will be assigned entry number 999 andaF you'll kill the wrong job. That is what I was worried about. I thoughtE that VMS probably expanded the range much sooner, but didn't know foreF sure, so I asked. Hoff answered, and the range is expanded when 90% of9 the numbers are in use, which I believe should work fine.t   >nB > IMO, it goes back to, assuming only "black or white" (yes or no) answers  > are allowed: >  > Is it possible? Yes. >- > Is it likely? No.- > H > Is it worthy of concern? Until it poses a problem, I'd have to say No.  G If it happens, it's a problem. Fortunately, this problem is *extremely* 	 unlikely.I   [...]o   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmann alan48  &-)  dellnet.como    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.-   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 07:58:57 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?> Message-ID: <hshubs-943D94.07585726102000@news.mindspring.com>  M In article <rdeininger-2610000010020001@user-2iveche.dialup.mindspring.com>, :3 rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote:.  M >VMS noticed an error it couldn't fix, and comitted suicide, writing a memorymM >dump to disk.  Machine checks tend to be unfixable hardware errors, I think.c  M Yes, and the rest is irrelevant.  The "current process" is whomever happened e< to be running when the machine noticed its hardware failure. -- n Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:31:00 GMTr' From: Feathers <fethsmgraw@my-deja.com>c* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?) Message-ID: <8t9bmk$dmc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m  > In article <hshubs-943D94.07585726102000@news.mindspring.com>,/   Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote:u  E > Yes, and the rest is irrelevant.  The "current process" is whomevern happened> > to be running when the machine noticed its hardware failure. > -- > Howard S ShubsF > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!" >aD So anyone know whether I should attribute the failure to the b-cacheB or the 64mb of memory i have just added - i forgot to mention that+ i had added memory as well as a 4MB b-cacheo  3 Is there a tool to test the b-cache and/or memory ?o   thanks to all that respond    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 10:13 CST-' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)1* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?- Message-ID: <26OCT200010131805@gerg.tamu.edu>V  0 Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> writes...N }In article <rdeininger-2610000010020001@user-2iveche.dialup.mindspring.com>, 4 }rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) wrote: } N }>VMS noticed an error it couldn't fix, and comitted suicide, writing a memoryN }>dump to disk.  Machine checks tend to be unfixable hardware errors, I think. } N }Yes, and the rest is irrelevant.  The "current process" is whomever happened = }to be running when the machine noticed its hardware failure.e }--  }Howard S Shubsa  E Since the SETI program runs all the time in the background, it is nothE surprising that it was the active process at the time. It is probablys' the active process more often than not.n   --- Carl   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 15:24:51 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)) Subject: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYe. Message-ID: <8t9ic3$pqp$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E Other than doing what it is supposed to (writing each line of a .COM BE file to the screen before it is executed), under what conditions can bF turning verify on and off (from the command line, not from within the F file itself) change the behaviour of the execution of a .COM file?  I F have a case where this is happening, which is making debugging rather 
 difficult!   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:32:43 -06000- From: Lorin Ricker <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> ) Subject: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYi; Message-ID: <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7681F8@DENXCH>t  J This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand< this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.  ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03F6A.617B731Cs Content-Type: text/plain;i 	charset="iso-8859-1"     > ... under what conditions can F turning verify on and off (from the command line, not from within the B file itself) change the behaviour of the execution of a .COM file?  H In my experience, SET VERIFY (and F$VERIFY( ) ) have *never* changed the# behavior of command file execution.,  K >  I have a case where this is happening, which is making debugging rather .
 difficult!  J Can you be more specific, and post the com-file and an exact trace of whatL happens, with your analysis of what seems to be wrong?  Then perhaps someone can help with specifics.  I Due to the way in which DCL command files are read and interpreted during@I execution, I *have* seen "artifacts" which can be misleading if you don'ts@ understand (or intuit ;-) what's going on, esp. regarding symbolC substitutions (expansions), branches (GOTOs, GOSUBs and CALLs), andtK IF-THEN-ELSE-ENDIF blocks.  It's likely that an explanation of what's goingh& on is somehow related to these things.  J P.S. to other posters/readers:  If this response again fails to show up asK "plain text", rest assured that I'm gonna ditch this damned Outlook thingierH in favor of msg-participation using good old VMSmail and a TPU editor...J once I get SMTP turned on here!  ;-)  At the moment, Outlook *assures* me,E in all/myriad dialog boxes, settings and other GUI-do-dads, that it'snI *really* gonna send this response in "plain text"... I'll believe it if IcI see it!  Again, my apologies for any unintended non-plain-text crap in my1E postings... I'm determined to participate "according to the rules and B etiquette", and will change tools accordingly.  --- Regards, Lorin    ' ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03F6A.617B731Co Content-Type: text/html; 	charset="iso-8859-1"m+ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printableg  1 <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">o <HTML> <HEAD>9 <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; =o charset=3Diso-8859-1">@ <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version =
 5.5.2650.12"> / <TITLE>strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY</TITLE>S </HEAD>y <BODY>  < <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; ... under what conditions can </FONT>F <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>turning verify on and off (from the command line, = not from within the </FONT>iG <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>file itself) change the behaviour of the execution =  of a .COM file?</FONT> </P>  H <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In my experience, SET VERIFY (and F$VERIFY( ) ) have => *never* changed the behavior of command file execution.</FONT> </P>  E <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp; I have a case where this is happening, =y( which is making debugging rather </FONT>$ <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>difficult!</FONT> </P>  G <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Can you be more specific, and post the com-file and = H an exact trace of what happens, with your analysis of what seems to be =E wrong?&nbsp; Then perhaps someone can help with specifics.</FONT></P>u  F <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Due to the way in which DCL command files are read =G and interpreted during execution, I *have* seen &quot;artifacts&quot; =eG which can be misleading if you don't understand (or intuit ;-) what's =MF going on, esp. regarding symbol substitutions (expansions), branches =F (GOTOs, GOSUBs and CALLs), and IF-THEN-ELSE-ENDIF blocks.&nbsp; It's =E likely that an explanation of what's going on is somehow related to =: these things.</FONT></P>  I <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>P.S. to other posters/readers:&nbsp; If this response = I again fails to show up as &quot;plain text&quot;, rest assured that I'm =cG gonna ditch this damned Outlook thingie in favor of msg-participation =aF using good old VMSmail and a TPU editor... once I get SMTP turned on =? here!&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; At the moment, Outlook *assures* me, in =bD all/myriad dialog boxes, settings and other GUI-do-dads, that it's =E *really* gonna send this response in &quot;plain text&quot;... I'll =dF believe it if I see it!&nbsp; Again, my apologies for any unintended =E non-plain-text crap in my postings... I'm determined to participate =hI &quot;according to the rules and etiquette&quot;, and will change tools = 0 accordingly.&nbsp; --- Regards, Lorin</FONT></P>   </BODY>t </HTML>r) ------_=_NextPart_001_01C03F6A.617B731C--d   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 13:56:09 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY6+ Message-ID: <mIVVnkcC6Ga0@eisner.decus.org>   . In article <8t9ic3$pqp$1@info.service.rug.nl>,, helbig#astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:? > Other than doing what it is supposed to (writing each line of,> > a .COM file to the screen before it is executed), under whatB > conditions can turning verify on and off (from the command line,> > not from within the file itself) change the behaviour of theC > execution of a .COM file?  I have a case where this is happening, - > which is making debugging rather difficult!r  A The most obvious case is if you are using $DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUTv? inside of your command procedure, or other wise redirecting thelB output of command procedures called by your main routine to files.  A When the file is read later in the command procedure, the parsinguA routines can get confused by finding the DCL procedure intermixed  with the expected output..   -Johnw wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:13:54 +0000u$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk! Subject: This is a test (no text)n/ Message-ID: <00256984.00536A06.00@quegw01.btyp>-   cc:  bcc:L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza   This is a test (no text)         [Information] -- PostMaster:D This transmission is intended solely for the addressee(s) and may beL confidential. If you are not the named addressee, or if the message has beenP addressed to you in error, you must not read, disclose, reproduce, distribute or use this transmission.  L Delivery of this message to any person other than the named addressee is notH intended in any way to waive confidentiality.  If you have received thisF transmission in error please contact the sender or delete the message.  
 Thank you.   ------------------------------  9 Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:15:10 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time)e) From: Andy Harper <Andy.Harper@kcl.ac.uk> " Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 and CMUIP 6.61 Message-ID: <SIMEON.10010261010.A@andy.kcl.ac.uk>   , On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:13:55 -0400 JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:    > BOB RIDDELL wrote:P > >      We have encountered an error saying that the user name and password are3 > > invalid. We reinstalled CMUIP and verified thate@ > > the user name and passwords where correct with all privs and! > > still received the same errord > E > I get the same behaviour with V1.2 of the FTP that comes with CMU.   > N > However, if I type the username in uppercase, then I get in without problem.O > Remember that with VMS 7.2, a certain amount of case sensitivity was added tohJ > usernames, and I suspect that the CMU-FTP diesn't bother uppercasing the > username before checking it.  D   There's a more recent version of ftp for cmu - see the archives on7        http://www.agh.cc.kcl.ac.uk/files/vms/cmu-tcpip/s  D   See also the FAQ in this directory which gives another reason why &   logins may fail (old hash algorithm)  J   Regards,   ---------------------- Andy Harper BSc, MBCS, C.Eng   Systems and Mail Manager Kings College London   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:12:16 GMTr From: richard_maher@my-deja.com   Subject: Re: VMSINSTALL Question) Message-ID: <8t9l4p$m9s$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a   Hi,<  F As others have pointed out, the Developer's Guide to VMSINSTALL is theH book you want and is in the Archived section of your VMS bookreader CDs.  D I for one stay well clear of PCSI, but the one thing it does do thatD VMSINSTALL doesn't, is give you a DEinstall procedure. But obviously6 you can just write your own and ship it will your kit.   Regards Richard Maher.  G PS. One thing I don't recomend is doing a PRODUCT REMOVE DECNET-OSI ande" then trying to reboot your system.  7 In article <OF6AF87170.620CCB9B-ON8325697D.00572692@ep-2 bc.petrobras.com.br>, ,   fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:? > Is there a document / internet link describing how to develope
 a "script" orm > similar toF > install an application under OVMS using VMSINSTAL?. We have a lot of
 > in-houseF > developed applications and some of them the  installation process is
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 > Regards, >r > FC >r >-    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:48:46 GMTd$ From: mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark)3 Subject: What does this mean? (DECthreads bugcheck)r. Message-ID: <39f7ee7c.3363115@news.force9.net>   HI,e  D I sometimes get an error like this when running a program. How can I+ find out what it means and how to solve it?   D --------------------------------------------------------------------@ %DECthreads bugcheck (version V3.13-553), terminating execution.E % Running on OpenVMS Alpha [OpenVMS V7.1-1H2; AlphaServer 1000 4/266,r 1 cpu,	 %  192Mb] ) % In process 0x00000000210039AB, thread 1h: % Reason: mutex 0x00000000006378D0 ref. overflow on unlock %iK (0x0073FD78:0x0DBCAFE1:0x00000068:0x00000000006330E0:0x00000001:0x00000000)i % Dumping to pthread_dump.logpD --------------------------------------------------------------------   TIAc
 Mark Williams    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:07:26 -07001- From: S. Myers <REMOVETHISsmyers75@email.com>o, Subject: What VMS format are these files in?8 Message-ID: <v5hgvsslottibks6qboes1308ulbu1jcm3@4ax.com>   Hello,E I have a friend that is working with an older VMS system (circa 1980)eC that has thousands of small text files I need him to send to me for B use on a NT based system. They are Text files to his system, alongB with End-Of-Blocks, but when he sends them to me there are no line ends.   ' With a hex viewer they look similar to:a  D 01 00 25 00 20 00 4F 32 36 32 31 20 20 20 20 20 20 28 20 32 36 32 31D 2D 33 20 4F 50 20 31 30 37 30 20 29 0C 00 28 53 51 43 20 31 36 31 32 30 88 29 1C 00 01 00 25 20     Where they should read as:     %o O2621      ( 2621-3 OP 1070 )t (SQC 161208) %o  E Is anybody aware of what format this is and how I can convert it to a  PC viewable text file?   Thanks,s S. Myers   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:23:22 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?+ Message-ID: <8t9lqa$m34@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>m  : "S. Myers" <REMOVETHISsmyers75@email.com> wrote in message2 news:v5hgvsslottibks6qboes1308ulbu1jcm3@4ax.com...  G > Is anybody aware of what format this is and how I can convert it to a  > PC viewable text file?  I The best way to fix files up is not to break them in the first place. FTPmG in text mode or similar should handle it transparently. Transferring iny@ binary and trying to fix up later is definitely a second choice.  G Having said that, it's not so hard. There is a two byte count, followedyE by the data. Insert the line separator of your choice between counted  strings:   01 00: 25 00            % <NUL>  20 00: 4F 32 36...     O32...0  1 Records are padded to even align the count field.'   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:54:31 +0200o. From: "Jesper Naur" <jesper.naur@post.tele.dk>0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?, Message-ID: <8t9ne1$r7o$1@news.inet.tele.dk>  8 S. Myers <REMOVETHISsmyers75@email.com> wrote in message2 news:v5hgvsslottibks6qboes1308ulbu1jcm3@4ax.com...G > Is anybody aware of what format this is and how I can convert it to ao > PC viewable text file?  G Can you provide the output from the following commands, which should be  executed on the old VMS system:d       $ DIR/FULL <file>g     $ DUMP/BYTE <file>     $ DUMP/RECORD/BYTE <file>l  7 where <file> is one of the many text files in question.o  J Which method is used for transferring the files from the VMS system to the NT-based system?       Best regards     Jesper Naurk   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 12:47:18 +0200G From: Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?H Message-ID: <y4og07x4jt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>  4 mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  G > None of which negates the argument that there should be a simple way nL > to test SCSI disks on the end user's system.  And if such a test requires @ > that all devices on a bus be tested at once, that's fine too.   0 It already exists on your VMS system - run UETP.   	Jan  N PS: Dunno whether it is still included...there was a time when DEC recommendedB running UETP as an acceptance test after installing/upgrading VMS.   	@   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 14:52:39 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog)L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?, Message-ID: <8t9gfn$m7e@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <y4og07x4jt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:5 >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:w > H >> None of which negates the argument that there should be a simple way M >> to test SCSI disks on the end user's system.  And if such a test requires cA >> that all devices on a bus be tested at once, that's fine too. j >:1 >It already exists on your VMS system - run UETP.9 >$ >	Jann >.O >PS: Dunno whether it is still included...there was a time when DEC recommendedoC >running UETP as an acceptance test after installing/upgrading VMS.s >r  J It's there in SYS$TEST.  Not a spec of documentation in that directory or 4 in HELP though.  In which manual is it documented???   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu!? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech s   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.599 ************************