1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 27 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 600       Contents:
 3X-DEPVZ-AA ?  Re: 3X-DEPVZ-AA ?  Re: Broadcasting and UCX Re: cannot see my CD-ROM2 Cheap Alpha - What config is good and WHAT PRICE ?6 Re: Cheap Alpha - What config is good and WHAT PRICE ? Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: comp.org.encompass.us  Re: DECNET PLUS  Re: Disk performance under VMS Disk performance under VMS+ Re: Educational licenses - more information + Re: Educational licenses - more information + Re: Educational licenses - more information + Re: Educational licenses - more information % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 	 F$LOGICAL 
 Re: F$LOGICAL $ Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1$ Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1$ Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1$ Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1 Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC  Re: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC  Re: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC  Re: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC  Re: license problems Re: license problems license problems' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn? ' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn? ' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn? ' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?   Re: Mirroring on HSx controllers Nice job - porting VNC to VMS  Re: open an Imac?  Re: open an Imac? ! Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol % Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol 9 Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server * Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...* Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...* Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...* Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...* Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...* Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...1 Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed.  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ? ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ? ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ? $ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY$ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY$ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY$ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY$ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY$ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher TEK 4111 emulator? V72_MGMTAGENTS and TCPware VM question  Re: VM question  Re: VM question  Re: VM question  Re: VMS 7.2 and CMUIP 6.6  VMS in the first sentence! Re: VMS in the first sentence!' Re: What VMS format are these files in? ' Re: What VMS format are these files in? ' Re: What VMS format are these files in? ' Re: What VMS format are these files in? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 21:36:39 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: 3X-DEPVZ-AA ?( Message-ID: <39f887c7@news.kapsch.co.at>   Hoff, Fred, ...   L I recently read about the 3X-DEPVZ-AA (1PCI Slot, LVD Ultra2 SCSI, 2D Graph,' Fast-Eth) Controller for eg. the DS10L.   M I so far haven't found a definitive support statement. Maybe there isn't one. C What version of OpenVMS/DECwindows does or will support this card ?    TIA    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:57:50 -0400 * From: "Paul A. Jacobi" <nospan@nospam.com> Subject: Re: 3X-DEPVZ-AA ?, Message-ID: <8ta9jo$644o$1@lead.zk3.dec.com>  7 "Peter LANGSTOEGER" <eplan@kapsch.net> wrote in message " news:39f887c7@news.kapsch.co.at... > Hoff, Fred, ...  > G > I recently read about the 3X-DEPVZ-AA (1PCI Slot, LVD Ultra2 SCSI, 2D  Graph,) > Fast-Eth) Controller for eg. the DS10L.  > J > I so far haven't found a definitive support statement. Maybe there isn't one.E > What version of OpenVMS/DECwindows does or will support this card ?   J If I remember correctly, card is supported with V7.1-2 and V72-1, plus the8 recent patch kits (V7.1-2 Update 3 and V7.2-1 Update 1).   Paul A. Jacobi Compaq Computer Corporation ! OpenVMS Systems Group, ZKO3-4/U14  110 Spitbrook Road Nashua, NH 03062-2698  Email: Paul.Jacobi@compaq.com    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 21:40:51 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)! Subject: Re: Broadcasting and UCX * Message-ID: <39f888c3$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  J In article <8t7e1s$t65$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, mindphaser23@my-deja.com writes:? >> Have you tried a $ UCX SET [CONF] INT ZE0/BR=255.255.255.255 1 >> after running the config procedure initially ?  > B >Thanks for the reply. I tried the above command, but I receive an >invalid broadcast mask error.  G And now, everone starts to ask, why such a command is implemented then, B if the system decides itself what value to use (from addr + mask). Silly, isn't it ?    --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 19:08:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)! Subject: Re: cannot see my CD-ROM 6 Message-ID: <8t9veq$feb$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  p In article <8t8pi7$69u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, "Uri Klil-Hahoresh" <uri.klilhahoresh@compaq.com> writes:  M :I have dpws500au with vma 7.2-1 (include update,scsi,sys and dqconfig patchs M :which suppose to resolve this), but I can't see my IDE CD-ROM. From the boot = :console the computer recognize it, but not when I start VMS. % :The cd-rom type is TOSHIBA XM-6102B. # :Did someone else has this problem?   2   Can you elaborate on your use of the word "see"?  H   Are you attempting to bootstrap from an IDE CD-ROM from this?  If so, G   you must have a system with the Cypress combination I/O and IDE chip, B   and not with the Intel Saturn I/O (Intel SIO) and CMD IDE chips.  J   If >>> show config indicates: an Intel SIO is present, you will want to F   acquire and boot from a SCSI CD-ROM.  There are unsupported (manual)H   steps to get this IDE CD-ROM to work once OpenVMS is running, but you    cannot bootstrap from it.   H   If >>> show config indicates a Cypress PCI Peripheral Controller, then!   this configuration should work.   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:10:28 -0400 - From: "Island Computers" <sales@islandco.com> ; Subject: Cheap Alpha - What config is good and WHAT PRICE ? / Message-ID: <svhhj4g8emp285@corp.supernews.com>    OK   We're all ears  I Tell me the perfect cheap hobbyist Alpha and we'll try to bring it to you   L We still have loads of these PC164LX cards and even moreAlpha PWS433/500 and 600's - a's and au's  C If we could get a system with 128mb and decent 4-9gbscsi h/disk and 1 controller, CD-ROM , floppy, NIC,  video card etc    Would that help ?   = FYI - We accept payments via Paypal now - Visa and Mastercard    Email us please !        -- David Turner Island Computers US Corporation  2700 Gregory Street  Savannah GA 31404  Tel: 912 447 6622  Fax:912 201 0096 sales@islandco.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:56:35 -0500 7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> ? Subject: Re: Cheap Alpha - What config is good and WHAT PRICE ? - Message-ID: <39F8EEE3.8418EAC8@earthlink.net>    Island Computers wrote:  >  > OK >  > We're all ears > K > Tell me the perfect cheap hobbyist Alpha and we'll try to bring it to you    O.k. You're on!   ; I can build _FROM PARTS_! - an intel-based (yes, I know, no : OpenVMS/Intel!) system equipped as follows for UNDER $700:  6 AMD K6-2 400 Mhz or better (I'm still pricing Athlons) 64MB RAM 10 GB IDE hard disc  generic AGP video 	 50X CDROM # 10BaseT network card (or 56K modem)  ATX style case
 suitable mobo  keyboard mouse   F So, there you have it: we need an Alpha-based, OpenVMS capable machine% equipped similarly for UNDER $1000 !    C Hint: Whether it's "officially" supported is a low priority to some  hobbyists.    H Hint: Some folks are more sensitive to graphics performance than others.  F Hint: Keep your eyes peeled for anyone or any entity dumping a load ofH AlphaStation 200 4/233 machines. Those go on eBay for circa. $400 or so,G so don't pay more than $200 each for them and don't try to mark them up  more than 100%.   G Hint: No individual hobbyist is going to pay enough for a system to put 8 your kids through college. Get the $$$ out of your eyes.   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/   F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:32:04 -0400 % From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> " Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us" Message-ID: <39f8781c@news.si.com>  L >...it leads me to believe some percentage of the User Groups will adopt theJ >name Encompass and some won't.  The US should not being undermining those >who wish to remain as DECUS...   C OK.  I can see the reason why we should leave comp.org.decus alone.   F By the way, did you know there is already an Encompass, Inc., owned by& Yahoo!?  See http://www.encompass.com/H Also, the EnCompass Magazine people (http://www.encompass.org/) have notK responded to my inquiry about whether or not they would have heartburn over   our creating comp.org.encompass. --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com A Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.com = 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to prevent < Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:15:35 -0400 % From: Karl S. Erbland <karl@ksme.net> " Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us4 Message-ID: <MPG.1462770f53b3d5b9896db@news.alt.net>  C In article <39f8781c@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>   says... N > >...it leads me to believe some percentage of the User Groups will adopt theL > >name Encompass and some won't.  The US should not being undermining those! > >who wish to remain as DECUS...  > E > OK.  I can see the reason why we should leave comp.org.decus alone.  > H > By the way, did you know there is already an Encompass, Inc., owned by( > Yahoo!?  See http://www.encompass.com/J > Also, the EnCompass Magazine people (http://www.encompass.org/) have notM > responded to my inquiry about whether or not they would have heartburn over " > our creating comp.org.encompass. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com       Why should those companies care?  B DECUS hired a "branding company" experienced with global branding I issues, not just a graphic design company, which considered all of those   options and pitfalls.    Isn't that correct, Jeff?    :)     --   --   Karl Erbland KSME/Business Groups Tiffin, OH 44883   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:26:08 -0400 7 From: "Information CETS2000" <Information@CETS2000.com> " Subject: Re: comp.org.encompass.us2 Message-ID: <8tab0v$sea$1@slb3.atl.mindspring.net>   Another informed posting...      --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================   2 "Karl S. Erbland" <karl@ksme.net> wrote in message. news:MPG.1462770f53b3d5b9896db@news.alt.net...B In article <39f8781c@news.si.com>, "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian> says... J > >...it leads me to believe some percentage of the User Groups will adopt the L > >name Encompass and some won't.  The US should not being undermining those! > >who wish to remain as DECUS...  > E > OK.  I can see the reason why we should leave comp.org.decus alone.  > H > By the way, did you know there is already an Encompass, Inc., owned by( > Yahoo!?  See http://www.encompass.com/J > Also, the EnCompass Magazine people (http://www.encompass.org/) have notH > responded to my inquiry about whether or not they would have heartburn over" > our creating comp.org.encompass. > --C > Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.com       Why should those companies care?  A DECUS hired a "branding company" experienced with global branding H issues, not just a graphic design company, which considered all of those options and pitfalls.    Isn't that correct, Jeff?    :)     -- -- Karl Erbland KSME/Business Groups Tiffin, OH 44883   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:50:13 +0200 , From: "Nico van der Boom" <njvdboom@caiw.nl> Subject: Re: DECNET PLUS- Message-ID: <8t9u67$119d$1@news.kabelfoon.nl>   = "Carol McGeehon" <clmcgeeh@co.douglas.or.us> wrote in message * news:39F77299.EBB8ECA8@co.douglas.or.us...H > I have DecNet Phase V configured on my system and am using OpenVMS 7.1H > on a VAX 4000 300 and have 90L+ terminal servers connected to the Vax. > J > I have been using the SET HOST/MOP  DS44 to connect to a terminal serverI > named under DecNet Phase IV.  I have been using this successfully since  > we moved the Phase V.  > B > Recently, I tried the SET HOST/MOP DS44 command and received the > following error message: > % > %CCR-F-UNRCIR, unrecognized circuit  > I > Does anyone know where I might start looking for why this error message  > is coming up?  > L I think somebody changed some circuit, rebooted the system or something like that.    try:" $ mcr ncl show mop client ds44 all  = if there is no object instance, your mop client ds44 is gone. H if there is output, you will see a circuit name (eg CSMACD-0 or EWA-0 or SVA-0)   $ mcr ncl show mop circuit *   Is there a mop circuit (object) = Is the mop circuit name the same as in your mop client ds44 ?   E If the terminal servers are managed by TSM, sometimes there's trouble  (circuit changes etc.)L for tsm there should be a file TSM$DEFINE_SERVERS.COM or something like that (i have no system here) I TSM writes this com (ncl commands) file after changes, just run this file , (check the file first (type) before running)   else  < $ mcr ncl set mop client ds44 service circuit 'circuit-name' (not sure on the syntax)  C change the  *mop*clien*.ncl file in your sys$startup or sys$manager   
 good luck,   Nico van der Boom    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:50:37 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com> ' Subject: Re: Disk performance under VMS 8 Message-ID: <8t9u6l$r8g$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  I I thought I heard Ken Bates of i/o performance fame mention during one of J his talks that there exist disks that don't have constant bit densities toH make up for the change in diameter from the outer to inner tracks on the disks.  D I looked up his talk (Storage Performance) on a DECUS99/SanDiego CD.  ? Its called banding.  Outer tracks have more sectors than inner.   ? Here's a poor copy of one of the slides from this presentation.    Banding & Performance  Higher Data Rates . . Place Data Rate Critical Files In Outer Band# . Twice The Data Rate Of Inner Band & . Only Helps Data Rate Sensitive Files . Large, Sequential I/O " . Imaging, Scientific, Video, etc. Setup # . Outer Band = Low LBN (Zero Based) / . Partitions Created From Lowest To Highest LBN ' . First Partition Has Highest Data Rate  Cautions . Limit Partition Size . Limit Number Of Partitions . Reduces Effective Capacity" . What To Do With Remaining Space.   Dave...V  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:26OCT200009554444@gerg.tamu.edu...   > a_haines@my-deja.com writes...I > }It takes twice as long (35 seconds) to write the file at the end (highhG > }LBN) of the disk than it does at the beginning (low LBN) of the disku > }(18 seconds). > }a > }Compaq have said: > }aH > }Data transfer at the beginning of a disk is faster then at the end of* > }the disk. There are 2 reasons for this:I > } 1- at the start there are more sectors per rotation, so in 1 rotation % > }more sectors/data can be accessed.tH > } 2- at the end of the disk has less sectors per rotation resulting in > }more headmovements. > }rC > }This is not what I expected. Does anyone have any views on this?$ >IH > This is exactly what I would expect, and it is exactly what happens onJ > all hard drives currently manufactured on this planet that I am aware ofL > (there may be some that use variable rotational speeds to get a fixed data< > transfer rate, but if there are I've never heard of them). > K > Disks are recorded with constant density (bits/inch of track on the disk)nF > and they rotate at a fixed rotational speed (RPM). Thus an the outerK > tracks the bits move by the head faster than an the inner tracks. A ratioeK > of 2:1 would indicate that the inner track is at half the radius that themK > outer track is at (since circumference = 2 * pi * radius), if the timeingRL > is entirely due to the slower data rate (i.e. ignoring any additional head > movement). >V
 > --- Carl   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:12:35 -0400r2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com># Subject: Disk performance under VMSd7 Message-ID: <200010262212_MC2-B890-2034@compuserve.com>h  J         Views?  These are the facts of life!  Modern SCSI disks have more=  G sectors per track on the outer tracks than they do on the inner tracks;bJ there's more real estate out there to write on and it's moving faster.  Y= ouJ could have disks with less capacity and equal numbers of sectors per trac= k F on the inner and outer tracks.  They would probably be slower as well.  G         If you need the maximum performance from your disks, write yourE@ data on the part of the disk that gives you maximum performance!    5 Message text written by INTERNET:a_haines@my-deja.com  > <snip>F It takes twice as long (35 seconds) to write the file at the end (highD LBN) of the disk than it does at the beginning (low LBN) of the disk
 (18 seconds)..   Compaq have said:sE Data transfer at the beginning of a disk is faster then at the end of ' the disk. There are 2 reasons for this: F  1- at the start there are more sectors per rotation, so in 1 rotation" more sectors/data can be accessed.E  2- at the end of the disk has less sectors per rotation resulting in- more headmovements.-  @ This is not what I expected. Does anyone have any views on this?   <    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 17:12:21 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information. Message-ID: <8t9oll$rpk$3@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <5mHWyX9vCnKe@eisner.decus.org>, malmberg@eisner.decus.orgv (John E. Malmberg) writes: e  6 > If they are the exactly the same PAKs as are in the 9 > OpenVMS Hobbyist program, then you will have no problemA6 > when multiple educational program users log into the > same system.  8 OK, but why is the Q emphasising the single-user aspect?   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 14:37:18 -05002 From: malmberg@eisner.decus.org (John E. Malmberg)4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information+ Message-ID: <OIkBzUyk4C8p@eisner.decus.org>s  . In article <8t9oll$rpk$3@info.service.rug.nl>,, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:- > In article <5mHWyX9vCnKe@eisner.decus.org>, 0 > wb8tyw@qsl.network (John E. Malmberg) writes:  > 7 >> If they are the exactly the same PAKs as are in the  : >> OpenVMS Hobbyist program, then you will have no problem7 >> when multiple educational program users log into theu >> same system.M > : > OK, but why is the Q emphasising the single-user aspect?  ? They also emphasize that the hobbyist license is a single-user.s  8 It might be better to examine a real set of PAKs for the2 educational program before making any assumptions.   -Johnp wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 18:02:26 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information. Message-ID: <8t9rji$sqm$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <OIkBzUyk4C8p@eisner.decus.org>, malmberg@eisner.decus.orgc (John E. Malmberg) writes: a  < > > OK, but why is the Q emphasising the single-user aspect? > A > They also emphasize that the hobbyist license is a single-user.   < Right, but I can sort of see the justification in that case.  : > It might be better to examine a real set of PAKs for the4 > educational program before making any assumptions.   Has anyone here done this yet?   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 13:30:49 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information3 Message-ID: <ngGc+WRgvFIh@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>e  / In article <8t9rji$sqm$1@info.service.rug.nl>, N1     	helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: G > In article <OIkBzUyk4C8p@eisner.decus.org>, malmberg@eisner.decus.orgG > (John E. Malmberg) writes: c [...] ; >> It might be better to examine a real set of PAKs for theD5 >> educational program before making any assumptions.c >   > Has anyone here done this yet?  0         Of course not, they don't exist yet. :-}               -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edus:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 01:27:43 GMT 6 From: t h o m p s o n@mail.athenet.net (Paul Thompson). Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400: Message-ID: <jS4K5.319$ux6.114635@typhoon.mw.mediaone.net>  E There was a similar problem reported on the port-vax list for netbsd.oF The problem was traced to a dirty switch that selects between AUI/BNC.@ It was corrected with a generous application of contact cleaner.   Paul  2 In article <39f7fd25.1450157516@news.newsguy.com>,( 	A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:8 > On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 20:50:20 +0200, Marcin Szczecinski > <marcin@lodz.tpsa.pl> wrote: > < >>On Wed, 25 Oct 2000 at  1:10:36 +0000, Chris Chiesa wrote:J >>> This ran against the CPU card's built-in "thinwire" (coaxial) EthernetK >>> port until a few months ago, then that "died" and he had to switch overmO >>> to using the built-in "thickwire" Ethernet port and a thickwire-to-thinwireh >>> transceiver. -- e   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:12:33 -0400a2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 34007 Message-ID: <200010262212_MC2-B890-2031@compuserve.com>   J         My recollection is that I had to upgrade a VAX from VMS V5.4 to V= MSF V5.5 in order to be able to use UCX 3.X (where X was 1 or 2).  Sorry I; can't do better but it's pretty ancient history these days.   & Message text written by Bernd Eckstein? >Wollongong isn't there any more. Does anybody knows if UCX 4.x4 works with VMS 5.4 ???<6   ------------------------------   Date: 25 Oct 2000 14:38:01 GMTM From: BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak <bobkeys@weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu>k. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 34001 Message-ID: <8t6r89$er3$1@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>8  6 In comp.sys.dec Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:G > The 3000 (not 3100) and 4000 series machines have a known weakness indH > the front panel  (the shiny metal bit containing the ethernet, consoleB > connections etc) that can cause ethernet to fail sporadically orB > completely. Costs about 300 dollars for a replacement from fieldF > service. I've seen this fail on three or four machines over the lastF > ten years, Some of the ethernet logic is on the cpu board but I haveH > never seen this fail - just the front panel which does contain a small8 > amount of active components. I'd tend to supsect this.  D I have exactly this same problem on a 3300 machine.  What componentsF are known to fail?  I see one dip 14 or 16 pin chip on the board underD the panel.  Is there more information on this, and is it possible toD fix it at the chip level (hobby machine that cost me 10 bucks is not worth a DEC 300 buck panel).  ) Any details and insights are appreciated.r   Thanks   Bobr   UNIX System of the day:a  / 4.2 BSD UNIX #24: Thu Jun 30 01:29:32: PDT 1983o   Would you like to play a game?   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 19:27:52 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: F$LOGICAL- Message-ID: <8ta0jo$uj$1@info.service.rug.nl>g   Lexicals&   Sorry, no documentation on LEX F$LOG   $ wso := write sys$outputo $ wso f$logical("disk$user") _GLADIA$DKA200:p $ wso f$trnlnm("disk$user")s GLADIA$DKA200:  I Since it is apparently an undocumented feature, can someone give me some o history on F$LOGICAL?e  H The difference above also prompts me to ask for a brief, understandable F summary as to when and why underscores appear in various device names.  * Are there any other undocumented logicals?  * Why was F$LOGICAL "replaced" with F$TRNLNM   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:17:47 +0100o+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>g Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL' Message-ID: <39F8916B.7D7F362C@iee.org>a   Phillip Helbig wrote:oJ > Since it is apparently an undocumented feature, can someone give me some > history on F$LOGICAL?!  ? It's in the Obsolete Features manual (or at least it was in thel one for VMS V5.0 ...).  @ It went the way of the Dodo round about V4 when the logical name< services were rewritten to provide greater flexibility. When= SYS$TRNLOG (and friend(s)?) was (were) obsoleted, F$LOGICAL's.> days were numbered. It hadn't made it to the Obsolete FeaturesD manual by VMS V5.0 but I don't know whether that was a documentationH ovesight or not. Obviously the feature still works, as you would expect.  I > The difference above also prompts me to ask for a brief, understandable-H > summary as to when and why underscores appear in various device names.  D The leading underscore originally meant "do not translate" so if you> fed "_FOO" to SYS$TRNLOG you would get back "FOO" (the initial; underscore gets dropped but no actual translation happens).a> This could be handy if you really wanted DRA0 to mean DRA0 ...; feed a program "_DRA0" and even if there was a logical as ag	 result ofg 	$ DEFINE DRA0 somewhere-silly8 the program got fed from (or wrote to) DRA0 rather than  somewhere-silly.  7 This "feature" was really a work-around for the missing 9 functionality in logical names before V4. The new logicalo' name services and structure fixed that.e  , > Are there any other undocumented logicals?  7 Lots. I used to have a list. SHOW$DEBUG and FAL$LOG ande= maybe NML$LOG spring to mind. There are at least half a dozenr7 more that someone will chip in with real soon I expect.s    , > Why was F$LOGICAL "replaced" with F$TRNLNM  A F$TRNLNM superseded F$LOGICAL: it provided greater functionality.u= Hence there was no need to continue to provide users with thet; opportunity to stumble across F$LOGICAL so it vanished from : the docs. It is still there, however, just like SYS$GETCHN@ and others from as far back as V2 (i.e. very early 1980s or so).   Antonio:   -- 0   ---------------a- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.orgj   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 18:58:29 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1n6 Message-ID: <8t9usl$feb$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Q In article <39F7A0C0.1D1F0A9B@rpi.edu>, Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu> writes:s1 :... The machine in question is a big VAX 8530...c  +   Big, old, slow, and quite power-hungry.  l  A :...You see, the machine can only boot from media on the console  ? :machine (Pro380 running P/OS and console software/hardware).  t  F   You're mixing up what the console can boot from and what is requiredA   for loading the console itself with what OpenVMS can boot from.g  A   The VAX 8500, VAX 8530, VAX 8550, VAX 8700, VAX 8800, VAX 8810,cD   VAX 8820N, VAX 8974 and VAX 8978 are all close relatives, and can @   all bootstrap standalone BACKUP from nine-track magtape media.9   (And from disk, but that's clearly not an option here.)o  A   I am not aware of an ODS-1 based RX50 distribution for OpenVMS. A   That said, there was an ODS-2 based RX50 distribution used for     various MicroVMS releases.  C   The usual approach with this box -- as I suspect was suggested indF   some of the earlier discussions on this system -- was to image-copy G   over the contents of the console and get that working.  Once the VAX -F   console -- the VAX console is a Pro/350 or Pro/380 running a consoleF   application under the P/OS (RSX-derived) environment -- is working, G   the next step of installing OpenVMS involves booting OpenVMS VAX off DF   of media that the VAX itself can see and can access.  This includes H   various nine-track magtapes.  Or loading an RA-series disk on another K   OpenVMS VAX or OpenVMS Alpha system that has access to more modern media  G   and transfering the disk back over and (re)connecting it (via UNIBUS  B   UDA50, BI-based BDA50, or CI-based HSC) to this VAX 8530 system.  D   You should be able to boot this box via the console RX50, with theH   Standalone BACKUP (in ODS-2 format) RX50 floppies loaded in the drive.G   This assumes that you have a bootstrap file on the RD-series disk in CH   the Pro Console set up to reference and to load the software from the E   console RX50.  The filenames used for the bootstrap are CSABOO.COM  K   (Boots OpenVMS off the console), CSAGEN.COM (with conversational/SYSBOOT  H   boot), and CSAXDT.COM (with both SYSBOOT and XDELTA).  These files areH   analogous to the various other *BOO.COM, *GEN.COM, and *XDT.COM files.A   The default console bootstrap file is usually named DEFBOO.COM.rD   BCIBOO.COM and BDABOO.COM are usual names of the CI bootstrap and    BDA50 bootstrap script files.   E   This particular series of VAX system is particularly problematic inlI   more recent times, as there is no easy way to hook it to and boot from RH   a CD-ROM drive -- and also no way to perform an ISL via InfoServer or    similar means.  J   SCSI storage access is probably only available via a configuration with H   a CI, a star coupler, and an HSJ series controller -- or, once the VAX7   8530 system has bootstrapped, via MSCP disk services..  C   AFAIK, the console software for this series VAX is (or was once) d$   using the part number BT-ZMAAD-C3.  E :The console is only capable of reading floppies in the ODS-1 format.v  F   Is this the same VAX 8530 system that has been under some occasional   discussion for a while now?a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:30:48 -0400a' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu>k- Subject: Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1.' Message-ID: <39F89478.1F19A062@rpi.edu>e   > C >   The VAX 8500, VAX 8530, VAX 8550, VAX 8700, VAX 8800, VAX 8810,tE >   VAX 8820N, VAX 8974 and VAX 8978 are all close relatives, and cancB >   all bootstrap standalone BACKUP from nine-track magtape media.; >   (And from disk, but that's clearly not an option here.)S >eC >   I am not aware of an ODS-1 based RX50 distribution for OpenVMS.=B >   That said, there was an ODS-2 based RX50 distribution used for >   various MicroVMS releases.  M I read through the documentation we have on installing VMS, and it explicitly S references loading the "standalone backup" from floppy disks in the console.  ThereeS were no references anywhere about booting from tape.  I doubt it's even possible on 
 that machine.-   >cE >   The usual approach with this box -- as I suspect was suggested inaG >   some of the earlier discussions on this system -- was to image-copyLH >   over the contents of the console and get that working.  Once the VAXH >   console -- the VAX console is a Pro/350 or Pro/380 running a consoleG >   application under the P/OS (RSX-derived) environment -- is working,eH >   the next step of installing OpenVMS involves booting OpenVMS VAX offG >   of media that the VAX itself can see and can access.  This includestI >   various nine-track magtapes.  Or loading an RA-series disk on anotheraL >   OpenVMS VAX or OpenVMS Alpha system that has access to more modern mediaH >   and transfering the disk back over and (re)connecting it (via UNIBUSD >   UDA50, BI-based BDA50, or CI-based HSC) to this VAX 8530 system. >rF >   You should be able to boot this box via the console RX50, with theJ >   Standalone BACKUP (in ODS-2 format) RX50 floppies loaded in the drive.H >   This assumes that you have a bootstrap file on the RD-series disk inI >   the Pro Console set up to reference and to load the software from thehF >   console RX50.  The filenames used for the bootstrap are CSABOO.COML >   (Boots OpenVMS off the console), CSAGEN.COM (with conversational/SYSBOOTJ >   boot), and CSAXDT.COM (with both SYSBOOT and XDELTA).  These files areJ >   analogous to the various other *BOO.COM, *GEN.COM, and *XDT.COM files.C >   The default console bootstrap file is usually named DEFBOO.COM.rE >   BCIBOO.COM and BDABOO.COM are usual names of the CI bootstrap andf! >   BDA50 bootstrap script files.0 >2  T     If it is possible to boot the VAX 8530 off ODS-2 standalone backup RX50 floppiesS that are in the console's drive, then please tell me how.  (btw, the console itselfhP cannot read those disks)  When I run the proper script (CSBOO or CSABOO, I don'tS remember), it just punches values into registers, loads VMB.EXE, transfers control,tQ then bombs out giving me back the ">>>" prompt and nothing useful.  (no, it never  accesses the drive)h  H >   Is this the same VAX 8530 system that has been under some occasional >   discussion for a while now?r  N Yes, it is the same machine.  It seems that with each thread I start, I gain aO better idea of what the problem is and how to solve it.  However, I have yet toiR reach a useful resolution of any kind.  I thought I was there when I found someoneQ who could make me the S/A floppies, but they were in ODS-2 format and the consolehR did not read them.  (and it never touched the floppy drive when I ran the scripts)M I could just be doing something wrong, but I don't know what.  I followed theoL instructions.  If the problem is console-side, I have no clue how to fix it. -Derek   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 23:51:02 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1p6 Message-ID: <8tag16$k20$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  Q In article <39F89478.1F19A062@rpi.edu>, Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu> writes:sN :I read through the documentation we have on installing VMS, and it explicitlyM :references loading the "standalone backup" from floppy disks in the console. O :There were no references anywhere about booting from tape.  I doubt it's even o :possible on that machine.  C   Yeah, I think you are right.  I always used disk-based standalone-E   off j-random non-system-disk RA-series drive, as it was far faster.e  F :I thought I was there when I found someone who could make me the S/A F :floppies, but they were in ODS-2 format and the console did not read F :them.  (and it never touched the floppy drive when I ran the scripts)B :I could just be doing something wrong, but I don't know what.  I D :followed the instructions.  If the problem is console-side, I have  :no clue how to fix it.t  I   Assuming that retirement is (still) not an option for this system, you tI   will need to insert a correctly-created ODS-2 RX50 standalone kit into u7   the floppy diskette drive and then, from the console:y  2     Make sure that CSABOO.COM is set up correctly.     Load the distribution tape?     Load the first of the standalone BACKUP floppies into CSA1:k     >>> @SYSINIT
     >>> B CSAb$     Shuffle the floppies as required4     $$$ BACKUP/VERIFY mmcu:VMSnnn.B/SAVE ddcu:/IMAGE  F   I will assume you are able to get to the dead-sergeant prompt at theH   console.  If you are still at the P/OS prompt, you need to get to the    console prompt.e  F   I am here refering to the standalone BACKUP floppies, and not to theE   standalone console floppies.  I'll assume the VAX Console is loaded D   and running, and specifically that it is running off the hard disk   inside the console.s  G   The easiest approach (once you the VAX Console loaded and running, oflG   course) likely involves swapping your target system disk over to some.G   other system (with access to tape or otherwise), and loading the diska'   from there.  Then swapping it back...i  E   What revision of VAX Console are you running?  (V10.0 was the last  C   general release, and there were a few seldom-seen ECOs that couldG&   be used to create a V10.0A version.)  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:32:27 -0400e' From: Derek Konigsberg <konigd@rpi.edu> - Subject: Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1t' Message-ID: <39F8CD1A.BC92EECE@rpi.edu>e  J >   Assuming that retirement is (still) not an option for this system, youJ >   will need to insert a correctly-created ODS-2 RX50 standalone kit into9 >   the floppy diskette drive and then, from the console:2 >94 >     Make sure that CSABOO.COM is set up correctly.  >     Load the distribution tapeA >     Load the first of the standalone BACKUP floppies into CSA1:i >     >>> @SYSINIT >     >>> B CSA & >     Shuffle the floppies as required6 >     $$$ BACKUP/VERIFY mmcu:VMSnnn.B/SAVE ddcu:/IMAGE >   R This is actually the first thing I tried.  Could it be possible that we don't haveP the correct VMB.EXE on our console?  If not, then where do we get the right one?0 Copy it from another machine on an ODS-1 floppy?   >bI >   The easiest approach (once you the VAX Console loaded and running, of.I >   course) likely involves swapping your target system disk over to some I >   other system (with access to tape or otherwise), and loading the diskA) >   from there.  Then swapping it back...0 >:  Q Our only other functional VAX is a VAXstation 4.  Any idea how I can interface an0; SDI disk to it?  As far as I know, the thing only has DSSI.t   >CF >   What revision of VAX Console are you running?  (V10.0 was the lastE >   general release, and there were a few seldom-seen ECOs that coulde( >   be used to create a V10.0A version.)  1 I believe we're running V10 (or some rev. of it).-  P P.S.  Is there any way to get an official VMS install-kit for the system of someR random older version out of some seldom used storage closet somewhere?  (I seem to% think this would be the easiest way.)3   -Derek   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:46:36 GMTM From: ditt7@my-deja.com $ Subject: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC) Message-ID: <8ta1mq$1dq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>u  
 Greetings,.   I'm working on an old vaxstation with OS VMS/ 5.52.  I realize this is old tech but there aren. some mitigating circumstances that prevent any kind of upgrade at this time.-0   This machine has never had VAX-C installed and) we're trying to bring it into the 80's bya. compiling and installing Perl, SocketShr, etc. Our dilema is this. 1   We found a version of GCC for vms 5.52 that was./ prebuilt.  However, it seems that everything we./ try to compile is looking for header files liken/ unixlib.h,lbrdef.h,mhddef.h,credef.h, etc which / are nowhere to be found in the GCC distributiong0 (2.3+).  Are we kidding ourselves that it's even0 possible to do any kind of C development without0 having VAX-C installed?  We thought that GCC was- the answer but apperently there's more to it.e,   Any light you can shed on this would be an% immense help and greatly appreciated.p   Thanks in advance.      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:44:23 -0500e) From: "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net> ( Subject: Re: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC/ Message-ID: <svh5or8g9e8fcd@corp.supernews.com>h  $ <ditt7@my-deja.com> wrote in message# news:8ta1mq$1dq$1@nnrp1.deja.com...  > Greetings,0 >   I'm working on an old vaxstation with OS VMS1 > 5.52.  I realize this is old tech but there ares0 > some mitigating circumstances that prevent any > kind of upgrade at this time.42 >   This machine has never had VAX-C installed and+ > we're trying to bring it into the 80's by-0 > compiling and installing Perl, SocketShr, etc. > Our dilema is this.H3 >   We found a version of GCC for vms 5.52 that wasi > prebuilt.u  K GCC 2.8.1 VAX is at  ftp://vms.gnu.org/progis_mirror/gcc There are binariess$ there that will run on OpenVMS 5.5-2  & > However, it seems that everything we1 > try to compile is looking for header files like 1 > unixlib.h,lbrdef.h,mhddef.h,credef.h, etc whichi1 > are nowhere to be found in the GCC distributionr	 > (2.3+).   C The additional header files that you need are likely to be found ats ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/.  I Also is binaries for a GCC-AS otherwise known as GAS, can be found there."  I If it is a header file for a VMS starlet module, and not a VAX C or DEC C:E run time library, then you can use the library utility to extract the:G definitions from the STARLET.MLB and then edit it into a C header file.o  ) > Are we kidding ourselves that it's evend2 > possible to do any kind of C development without2 > having VAX-C installed?  We thought that GCC was/ > the answer but apperently there's more to it.   J With freeware, batteries are not always included, and some assembly may be	 required.e  . >   Any light you can shed on this would be an' > immense help and greatly appreciated.$  L If you look at the ftp://ftp.qsl.net/pub/wb8tyw/ directories you will find aG prebuilt socketshr, and even a somewhat functional but older version oft) SAMBA-VMS, and may be a few other duties.    -Johnu wb8tyw@qsl.network   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:06:44 GMTu! From: Fatz <fatz_nyc@my-deja.com>s( Subject: Re: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC) Message-ID: <8ta6d0$581$1@nnrp1.deja.com>r  & > unixlib.h,lbrdef.h,mhddef.h,credef.h  F Well, for the includes that are VMS specific, like LBRDEF etc, you canD extract the macro version and make your own header with a few simple edits.  ; $ library/macro/extr=$lbrdef/out=lbrdef.h sys$share:starletl@ ! repl $EQU with #define and remove the header and footer lines.  F Note that you should add a "$" prefix to the header you're looking for* (in most cases) and if you get this error:   %LIB-F-KEYNOTFND, key not foundn  G then replace STARLET with LIB and you might have more luck.  If they're ( not in either of those two then I dunno.  H I can tell you for sure, though, that CREDEF, LBRDEF and MHDDEF *are* in STARLET.  H As for stuff like unixlib.h - and not knowing a great deal about it - do6 they exist on Unix systems?  Could you copy them over?     Fatz    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.r   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:42:45 -0500 (CDT)  From: sms@antinode.org( Subject: Re: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC) Message-ID: <00102621424537@antinode.org>       ditt7@my-deja.com:o  = >   I'm working on an old vaxstation with OS VMS 5.52.  [...]   >    I don't know what your license situation is, but DEC C V6.08 (distributed on the Hobbyist CD-ROM) works on (I quote):C       o  OpenVMS VAX Operating System, Version 5.2-2 to Version 7.2 F which certainly covers your V5.5-2 (even if the "V5.2-2" was a typo). D Compaq C V6.2 might work, too, but I don't have the Software Product Description handy for that one.e  E    It's not free unless you're non-commercial (or lack scruples), but,! it may work more easily than GCC.   H ------------------------------------------------------------------------  C    Steven M. Schweda               (+1) 651-699-9818  (voice, home)'C    382 South Warwick Street        (+1) 763-781-0308  (voice, work)oG    Saint Paul  MN  55105-2547      (+1) 763-781-0309  (facsimile, work)A9    sms@antinode.org                sms@provis.com  (work)    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 18:16:42 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: license problemsk6 Message-ID: <8t9sea$eft$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  o In article <39f742e4.103219641@news.telusplanet.net>, trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) writes:sC :Hello there.  I am basically a VMS newbie and am having difficultyhB :finding a solution to a problem that has arisen.  I have read theG :faq's and scoured a number of manuals and I can't find the solution toc :my problem.  F   Please don't cross-post questions both here and over in the OpenVMS    Ask The Wizard area.  Thanks!p  G :When trying to telnet with more than one session into an OpenVMS AlphaeG :I receive the message: "Attempted usage exceeds active license limits"dG :...I have ... the following licenses: net-app-sup-150... openvms-alpha  :...openvms-alpha-adl...  =   You have what appears to be a four-user concurrent license.p  D   I would encourage a call to the Compaq Customer Support Center, asE   some digging around will likely be required.  This includes settingDC   up the LMF$DISPLAY_OPCOM_MESSAGE logical name to try to determineeD   exactly what licenses are failing -- some license failure messagesA   are normal, BTW -- and some examination of the currently-loadeds:   licenses and of the current system use will be required.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 23:03:59 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) Subject: Re: license problems . Message-ID: <8tad8v$1e4$1@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  3 Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:   H :   Please don't cross-post questions both here and over in the OpenVMS ! :   Ask The Wizard area.  Thanks!5  H Off topic, but this leads me to ask:  Is that a picture of you, Hoff, on the Ask The Wizard web page?     -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.com 6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/i   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:12:37 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com> Subject: license problemsI7 Message-ID: <200010262212_MC2-B890-2035@compuserve.com>c  J         Your OpenVMS-Alpha License allows you one interactive login.  The=  F OpenVMS-Alpha-ADL license allows you four more interactive logins @100 units per login.J If you need more interactive logins, buy more OpenVMS-Alpha-ADL licenses.=  =  H If you are working from a system capable of running an X-Windows server,H you can login and create as many DECterms as you can fit on your screen;J they count as one interactive login since you are limited to one keyboard= .e    ' Message text written by Trevor OsatchukSC >Hello there.  I am basically a VMS newbie and am having difficulty A finding a solution to a problem that has arisen.  I have read the0F faq's and scoured a number of manuals and I can't find the solution to my problem.o  F When trying to telnet with more than one session into an OpenVMS AlphaF I receive the message: "Attempted usage exceeds active license limits"E Previously, I have had multiple sessions open.  The version of VMS iss@ V6.2 and it is on an AlphaStation 200 4/100.  I have checked theA licenses using: "license list /full" and have found the followingVF licenses: net-app-sup-150 with 1050 units, openvms-alpha with 12 unitsE and openvms-alpha-adl with 400 units.  Am I missing a license?  Did a  license get deactivated?  A This computer has been powered on and off repeatedly.  It is on ah? clent site and they have power problems and have had difficulty D getting a reliable ups.  I state this in case it may have bearing on the problem with user licenses.t  A If anyone has an idea what this could be or could point me in the50 right direction it would be greatly appreciated. <    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:18:41 -0400s- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>f0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?, Message-ID: <39F8838E.24D2EADF@videotron.ca>  & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:I > ...and d|i|g|i|t|a|l branded hardware.  I've invested a good deal of myrJ > own money in VMS and d|i|g|i|t|a|l branded hardware.  Certainly not any-I > where near the $$$s spent even by a small corporatation so why sh/woulds > Compaq care about me.d  K When a customer invents ALL of its savings into Digital hardware, it should L mean a hell of a lot than a corportation that invests 0.0005% of its savings into Digital hardware.  2 > However, I find it now next to impossible to getJ > a simple part for maintaining some of my older yet still viable and val- > uable equipment. t  N I bought a used Microvax II a few years ago (cost more to transport it than toH buy it :-( exactly for that purpose (and I wanted the cabinets to put myC stereo in, and I use an RD cabinet with 3 drawers to store mapx and.I videotapes). A 4rth drawer under the sterio is ued to store my music CDs.   H Except for the latest and greatest, I suspect that hardware is now cheap9 enough to warrant buying a spare machine for spare parts.    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 19:20:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?6 Message-ID: <8ta05l$fmn$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ] In article <01JVT0JYYT8I005TXU@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes:e@ :>We have been informed here that CA is given by Compaq at theirH :>discretion and are not able to supply us now with a copy that will run :>on DS10/20...m! :>The hardware contract was movedlH :>from Compaq recently though we maintain a large software contract with :>them.   E   Access to CA (Compaq Analyze, per the subject) can be (partially orhH   fully, I'm not certain) tied to a Compaq hardware support contract(s).H   Based on the FAQ, access to a full error analysis license does appear $   to be tied to a hardware contract.  P :Recent threads suggest that a certain RP was slightly (197.78 %) to blame.  He K :dumped all and every bit of VMS anywhere.  A good dumping ground was CA...o  H   Discussions of CA (Computer Associates) are not particularly relevent 2   in the context of discussions of Compaq Analyze.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:45:58 GMT1= From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)r0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?0 Message-ID: <009F22EC.4C7D6615@SendSpamHere.ORG>  \ In article <39F8838E.24D2EADF@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:' >"Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote: J >> ...and d|i|g|i|t|a|l branded hardware.  I've invested a good deal of myK >> own money in VMS and d|i|g|i|t|a|l branded hardware.  Certainly not any- J >> where near the $$$s spent even by a small corporatation so why sh/would >> Compaq care about me. >tL >When a customer invents ALL of its savings into Digital hardware, it shouldM >mean a hell of a lot than a corportation that invests 0.0005% of its savingst >into Digital hardware.n  I I wouldn't say that I've invested ALL of my savings into Digital hardwarehH but I do have quite a large collection.  I still have the first VAX thatI I purchased -- a MicroVAX-2000 -- because I spent quite a sum of $$$ wheneI it was first introduced.  Today, they are used as doorstop and given awayrH for the cost of shipping them.  I don't run it any more and can't recall9 the last time electrons were routed through its circuits.n  I I purchased quite a bit on the used market as a way to maintain what I dofH have and use.  There's a spare VAXstation 3100m76/SPX for example.  WhatI I want or need, however, might not be available on the used market and in G some cases, the equipment is not all that old -- maybe one or two yearst BC (that's before Compaq).   O >I bought a used Microvax II a few years ago (cost more to transport it than toeI >buy it :-( exactly for that purpose (and I wanted the cabinets to put myaD >stereo in, and I use an RD cabinet with 3 drawers to store mapx andJ >videotapes). A 4rth drawer under the sterio is ued to store my music CDs.  H MicroVAX-II parts I have plenty of and I don't even have one that I use.I I have a BA23 box with a 3900 processor and I keep the ol' uV-IIs for thes Qbus spares.   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM.            tO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.e   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 13:18:39 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?3 Message-ID: <W2aI8tQOir9T@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>2  @ In article <85256984.004A5B55.00@emea-smtp-04.systems.uk.hsbc>, 3     	Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com> writes:.  @ > We have been informed here that CA is given by Compaq at theirH > discretion and are not able to supply us now with a copy that will runF > on DS10/20. It is murky as to the reasons but there are strong hintsF > this is tied to a hardware contract. The hardware contract was movedH > from Compaq recently though we maintain a large software contract with, > them. Anyone else seen anything like this?  H         Yes, in general.  For  example,  DECevent requires a license PAKH     for  the  ANALYZE  and  NOTIFICATION  functions  (but  not  for  theH     TRANSLATION function, aka display of  the  error  log  entries,  theH     replacement for ANALYZE/ERROR).  That license is issued as part of aH     HW  support  contract.  It is _not_ otherwise granted as part of theH     VMS base license  or  any  SW  support  contract.   [Of  course, newH     systems  come  with one year of HW support...] This policy goes  allH     the way back to VAXes, at least, when there was a program  that  theH     DEC  service people would install on your system which would monitorH     it for errors and  notify  you  and/or  the service people of thingsD     like implending disk failures (lot's of bad block replacements).  H         So yes, this is to be  expected.   What  is not clear is whetherH     DECevent  can handle the translation function on newer systems.   IfH     it can't, we need to beat up on VMS Engineering to give  us  such  a	     tool.   H         Oh, and if you rely upon Compaq Analyze, then you had better get(     a HW support contract with Compaq...           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edu-:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:00:19 GMT- From: kparris@my-deja.comh) Subject: Re: Mirroring on HSx controllersn) Message-ID: <8tar41$lv8$1@nnrp1.deja.com>l  - "Anders" <ccc28376a@post.cybercity.dk> wrote: / > Someone on a mailing list said the following.. > ----6 > It used to be (with HSC controllers, I believe) thatH > you'd get back an ACK from the controller indicating that the write isG > complete as soon as the FIRST disk in the shadowset finished its readA (andH > write, IIRC) -- it is no longer the case, however.  You have to set anA > explicit policy with the HSF software to determine which devicew provides theG > data.  That's a shame, as it was a shadowing feature I always thoughtm was C > rather elegant.  Now you're left to choose between the least busyDD > controller, a round robin technique, or a specific disk -- but NOT the head* > that's closest to your data.  Oh well... > ---- > E > Is it correct that shadowing no longer does the closest head thing?C0 > Why was it changed, as it seems rather clever.  B I think what they're thinking of is that with its proprietary disk@ interface, the HSC used to know both the the seek and rotationalE position of the disks (in fact, for the ESE20 solid-state disk, whichgF doesn't "rotate" at all, of course, DEC had to fake it, and create theE signals to make it look like it was rotating (it was given "4 sectorsr@ per track"), so the HSC could handle it).  If you know the trackF position and rotational position of two disks, the controller can pick( the best of them to perform a read from.  A In the case of writes, both writes had to land on disk before thehD controller could return "success" status, so this didn't really help there.  C With the transition to industry standard disk interfaces like SCSI,hC this detailed information is presently known only to the controllerdD chip within the disk drive, not to an external array controller likeF the HSJ, HSZ, or HSG.  Because the new controllers don't know the sameE level of detail about the drives, the best they can do is ask for theiG data from the least-busy drive, or spread requests across the drives onuE a round-robin basis.  To the credit of the SCSI drives, an individualeG drive is much more intelligent now, has its own cache memory (including G track read-ahead cache), and with tagged command queueing, can handle aCE queue of multiple I/O requests and re-order them intelligently itselfsA with something like an elevator algorithm to get the best average,: access times.  It just can't do cross-drive optimizations.G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- G Keith Parris|Integrity Computing,Inc.|parris@decuserve.decus.org-nospambF VMS Consulting: Clusters, Perf., Alpha porting, Storage&I/O, Internals    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 19:21:57 -0500-% From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net>6& Subject: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS' Message-ID: <39F8CAA5.F12DCBEF@isd.net>d  G Having just tried the latest release of the VNC viewer on VMS I have tod0 say GREAT JOB to Hunter Goatley and David North.   Everyone should give it a try.  1 http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/platforms.htmld     --   Keith Brownd kbrown780@isd.neta   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:40:29 -0400a- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t Subject: Re: open an Imac?, Message-ID: <39F888A8.41855C71@videotron.ca>  " Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > 4 > Might I suggest a sledgehammer, or a chainsaw? ;-)  $ Now now... show a bit of respect...   L If you're a good surgeon, there is a trap door underneath the unit that giveM you access to the motherboard, but you need fine instruments since it isn't a C very big trap door. (designed to give you access to the RAM strips.   G Alternatively, you could obtain a proprietary Phillips screwdriver (HastJ phillips ever made screwdrivers ?????) and unscrew the bottom of the Imac.J Once the bottom is removed, you should have access to more phillips screws1 that will allow you to remove the coloured cover.2    N Of course, you do realise that it is sacrilege to open an imac, and you shouldJ be ready to be excommunicated from Apple's religion and possibly stoned toQ death if you do this, especially if you do it with a sledgehammer or chainsaw :-)   L The G4s on the other hand, are designed to be opened VERY easily, and I haveF to admit, it is one of the best designed "tower" cabinets I have seen.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:24:55 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> Subject: Re: open an Imac?C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-3B3BB3.16245526102000@news.compaq.com>-  6 In article <39F888A8.41855C71@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:5  D > The G4s on the other hand, are designed to be opened VERY easily, G > and I have to admit, it is one of the best designed "tower" cabinets -
 > I have seene  D Yes!  Not since the VAXstation 4000 have I been so impressed with a I cabinet design.  I recently added memory to my Power Mac G3 in less than f twenty seconds.c   Paul   -- o,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:59:36 -0200@) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br * Subject: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbolL Message-ID: <OFF384BF6A.E7522EA2-ON83256984.006DBD59@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I I am creating a DCL procedure with  RMU but when I try to get the $statuso of a RMU operationH it shows me "%X10000001"  %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion   Example:  ( $ RMU / SHOW USERS no-existent-data-base  H %RMU-W-BADDBNAME, can't find database root DISK1:[directory]NOEXIST.RDB; -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundJ %RMU-F-FTL_SHOW, Fatal error for SHOW operation at 26-OCT-2000 16:53:05.22   $ status = $status   $ write sys$output status.   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:11:20 GMT . From: Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net>. Subject: Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol/ Message-ID: <39F8D5C8.30DB3298@nc.prestige.net>e  , This is a multi-part message in MIME format.& --------------DE8242DC8DB9BED5C2DA613D* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitm  K The error is reported by RMU it is not a system-related error message.  The C $status will always be success even if RMU itself reports an error.-  H What are you trying to do...  there may be another way to accomplish it.   Michael Austin Rdb DBA Consultant    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  K > I am creating a DCL procedure with  RMU but when I try to get the $status  > of a RMU operationJ > it shows me "%X10000001"  %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion >e
 > Example: >e* > $ RMU / SHOW USERS no-existent-data-base >iJ > %RMU-W-BADDBNAME, can't find database root DISK1:[directory]NOEXIST.RDB; > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundL > %RMU-F-FTL_SHOW, Fatal error for SHOW operation at 26-OCT-2000 16:53:05.22 >  > $ status = $status >c > $ write sys$output statusg  & --------------DE8242DC8DB9BED5C2DA613D- Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii;   name="maustin.vcf"  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit-, Content-Description: Card for Michael Austin  Content-Disposition: attachment;  filename="maustin.vcf"c   begin:vcard  n:Austin;Michael o tel;work:704-947-10890 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Michael Austin, Inc 
 adr:;;;;;; version:2.1c+ email;internet:michaelaustininc@hotmail.com  title:PresidentD x-mozilla-cpt:;0 fn:Michael E. Austin	 end:vcard1  ( --------------DE8242DC8DB9BED5C2DA613D--   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 16:18:29 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)oB Subject: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server, Message-ID: <D+xxJPzfgrWn@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  :   I'm running Oracle 8.1.6 on a VMS 7.2 system. I've tried< setting up the MultiThreaded server on this system. It works: but the performance with my programs is terrible ( queriesD that take 1 second with a dedicated server process might take 5 or 6: with the Multithreaded server, for example ) [ ie all I do> to get the performance difference is change the client connect< to include a "SERVER=DEDICATED" parameter]. The programs are: written using Oracle7 OCI calls, they fetch single rows of: data at a time from the database - I realize they could be> more efficient using array fetch, but it's never been an issue  with dedicated server processes.  @   I realize this is a pretty broad question without more detail,? but does anyone have similar experiences ( or alternately, goodi@ experiences with the MTS on a VMS system ). Any ideas if there's' anything I could do to make MTS useful?   M =============================================================================eM Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.ca H Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:20:41 -0500-+ From: Shael Richmond <ksrich@bellsouth.net> F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server- Message-ID: <39F8F489.29B0F304@bellsouth.net>w   Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > < >   I'm running Oracle 8.1.6 on a VMS 7.2 system. I've tried> > setting up the MultiThreaded server on this system. It works< > but the performance with my programs is terrible ( queriesF > that take 1 second with a dedicated server process might take 5 or 6< > with the Multithreaded server, for example ) [ ie all I do@ > to get the performance difference is change the client connect> > to include a "SERVER=DEDICATED" parameter]. The programs are< > written using Oracle7 OCI calls, they fetch single rows of< > data at a time from the database - I realize they could be@ > more efficient using array fetch, but it's never been an issue" > with dedicated server processes. > B >   I realize this is a pretty broad question without more detail,A > but does anyone have similar experiences ( or alternately, goodaB > experiences with the MTS on a VMS system ). Any ideas if there's) > anything I could do to make MTS useful?  >   C Yes we have had the same problem.  MTS works fine under 7.3.3.6 buthB is terrible on any version of 8.  Connects take longer and queriesA also take longer.  Due to lack of support of 7.3.3.6 we are going A to put Oracle 8.1.6 into production at one of our sites, but withu@ MTS turned off.  We have TAR's open, but so far haven't received	 any help.l   Shaelh   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 12:01:11 -0600 (MDT)r) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com>e3 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade... G Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010261200300.32483-100000@athena.csdco.com>    Works fine on 7.2-1   
 John Nebel    - On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, Diane Burns-Giles wrote:i  H > Are there are systems out there running Pathworks for Macintosh(1.3A, H > unsupported) and running vms 7.2-1?  I'm currently running 7.1 axp/vmsC > but I'm not sure what is going to happen when I upgrade to 7.2-1.e > N > Also, are there any other ways to print from axp/vms to an apple laserwriter > or do file sharing on a mac? >  > thanks in advance, > diane8 >  >  >        ;,//;,    ,;/ >       o:::::::;;///y >      >::::::::;;\\\g >        ''\\\\\'" ';\ >  > - >   Diane Burns-Giles     o    burns@salk.edur8 >   The Salk Institute    o    tel: (619) 453-4100 x12462 >   Computer Services     o    fax: (619) 453-5218 >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:05:49 -0400f0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>3 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade... C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-31D850.13054926102000@news.compaq.com>:  F In article <v04220800b61e10856dd0@[198.202.69.21]>, Diane Burns-Giles  <burns@salk.edu> wrote:e  8 > Are there are systems out there running Pathworks for 5 > Macintosh(1.3A, unsupported) and running vms 7.2-1?"  J I've been running it on V7.2-1 for a long time and have had no problems.  F I share OpenVMS directories to the Mac and use AppleTalk for printing 
 from OpenVMS.>  C > Also, are there any other ways to print from axp/vms to an apple d* > laserwriter or do file sharing on a mac?  F If the printer has a TCP/IP stack you can use that.  Otherwise, there F are other AppleTalk stacks for OpenVMS but I don't know the status of  them.i  E A standard part of the Mac OS (at least recent versions) is to allow nI clients to connect to Mac file shares over TCP/IP.  If you want to share  ? files to a Windows network you can buy the product called DAVE.p   Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:42:47 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>c3 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...a, Message-ID: <39F88932.41BAF01A@videotron.ca>   Paul Anderson wrote:F > A standard part of the Mac OS (at least recent versions) is to allow4 > clients to connect to Mac file shares over TCP/IP.  L Care to elaborate ?  Last I heard, there was no official NFS product for theM MAC. All that happens is that the MAC can now use TCP/IP as transport for itstP appleshare protocol, in a similar way that DECNET-5 can use TCP-IP as transport.   ------------------------------  + Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 14:21:11 -0600 (MDT)d) From: John Nebel <nebel@athena.csdco.com> 3 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...eF Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0010261419350.3145-100000@athena.csdco.com>   See:  4 http://www.apple.com/macosx/technologies/inside.html   Mac OS X is derived from BSD  
 John Nebel  $ On Thu, 26 Oct 2000, JF Mezei wrote:   > Paul Anderson wrote:H > > A standard part of the Mac OS (at least recent versions) is to allow6 > > clients to connect to Mac file shares over TCP/IP. > N > Care to elaborate ?  Last I heard, there was no official NFS product for theO > MAC. All that happens is that the MAC can now use TCP/IP as transport for itsaR > appleshare protocol, in a similar way that DECNET-5 can use TCP-IP as transport. >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 20:21:23 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)m3 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade... 0 Message-ID: <8ta3o3$b8j$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  \ In article <39F88932.41BAF01A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Paul Anderson wrote:sG >> A standard part of the Mac OS (at least recent versions) is to allowc5 >> clients to connect to Mac file shares over TCP/IP.  > M >Care to elaborate ?  Last I heard, there was no official NFS product for thetN >MAC. All that happens is that the MAC can now use TCP/IP as transport for itsQ >appleshare protocol, in a similar way that DECNET-5 can use TCP-IP as transport.Z  N Here we have something called "Intragy Access" that does have NFS for the Mac.N The softwar is available from Ascend but we didn't see an update since 1998...   Regards,    Christoph Gartmann   H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:28:37 -0400c0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>3 Subject: Re: Pathworks for Macintosh/VMS upgrade...rC Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-74243E.16283626102000@news.compaq.com>n  6 In article <39F88932.41BAF01A@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei % <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:l  F > Care to elaborate ? Last I heard, there was no official NFS product F > for the MAC. All that happens is that the MAC can now use TCP/IP as ? > transport for its appleshare protocol, in a similar way that -& > DECNET-5 can use TCP-IP as transport  @ Please, it's Mac, DECnet and TCP/IP, not MAC, DECNET and TCP-IP.  E Now that my anal-retentive side has spoken, I was simply touting the h4 feature in the File Sharing control panel which says  5    Enable File Sharing clients to connect over TCP/IP@  I So I guess it *is* analagous to DECnet being transported over TCP/IP.  I  9 didn't mean to imply that NFS was built in to the Mac OS.h   Paul   --  ,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:47:37 GMT 8 From: Veli =?iso-8859-1?Q?K=F6rkk=F6?= <korkko@decus.fi>: Subject: Re: Q on forms and DCPS. Help is urgently needed.( Message-ID: <39F873F4.8C125F1A@decus.fi>  < And as it happens to be, there is sometimes way to "legally". work around the DCPS-OPEN etc license stuff...  6 If you can tolerate "PRINT SERVER system", i.e. one or4 few central systems through which the actual "final"3 printing takes places AND YOU HAVE UCX on these andt other systems, thend  3 pick up a (or a few) systems with UCX and necessaryi0 DCPS-OPEN, DCPS-PLUS licenses. Create the queues5 as you normally would, then create UCX LPD "receiver"t3 entry for these queues. And especially specify that * these "receiver queus" have LPS extension.  / Then go on to create UCX LPD "remote" or sender,1 queues on all those other systems also specifyingn option LPS.t   Now you can do  5  REMNOD$ print/Que=xxxx/para=(num=8,data=post) xyz.psS  5 and so on utilizing all these fancy DCPS features butr4 sending the job from system to another using UCX LPD2 and then on the other system printing to the HP or' whatever printer takes place with DCPS.d  0 I do not remember to what extent did I test all - features couple of years ago but it seemed to 0 work just fine for me then. And I did it because/ I did not have DCPS-OPEN on some Alphas but hads it one.y    Not that this necessarily helps.   _velih   David Mathog wrote:  > x > In article <paul.r.anderson-758CB3.09410925102000@news.compaq.com>, Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com> writes: > >rE > >Yes, the DCPS-OPEN license or the equivalent license from AdvancediC > >Server or PATHWORKS or NAS is required to print to "third-party"oH > >printers such as HP.  Printing to Compaq, Digital and certain Genicom' > >printers does not require a license.d > L > Yet another piece of the ridiculous licensing conditions you folks need toL > dispense with - today.  It was a nice tool for forcing people to buy thoseM > brands of printers, but near as I can tell, Compaq is now completely out ofuI > the printer business, and DCPS is back inside Compaq.  So what possible-M > reason is there or trying to force people to buy Genicom printers or (used)rK > Compaq and Digital printers?  And much as they suck recently, HPs are thegL > de facto standard brand of printers, not supporting them at the base levelF > is pretty much equivalent to the statement "we don't care if you can	 > print."- > F > By the way, I was in a Kinko's yesterday and noted that all of theirI > computers, both Macs and PCs used appletalk to connect to the availableeL > printers.  (And they have some very, very nice printers!)  The point beingF > that setting up printers via TCP/IP is still a big PITA and it wouldJ > behoove the Q to do something about resuscitating at least the AppletalkJ > transport part of PW/Mac so that we could be assured that that method ofJ > connection would continue to be available.  How else is the Q ever goingK > to sell a VMS machine into a Kinko's shop (just dreaming, but one machineo! > per shop is a lot of machines!)l > 
 > Regards, >  > David Mathog > mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu @ > Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, CaltechL > **************************************************************************L > *                                RIP VMS                                 *L > **************************************************************************   ------------------------------  " Date: Thu, 26 Oct 00 13:08:39 +100 From: rok@nuk.uni-lj.sio" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?& Message-ID: <39f82cdc.0@NUK.Uni-Lj.Si>  3 >In article <39f3f412.1185688119@news.newsguy.com>,u' >Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:aC >>Were console  front end terminal lines really not supported underlE >>TOPS-10? That was the normal connection method with TOPS-20. We hado5 >>128 serial lines on the front end without problems.t >oE >They were not supported with the 1091 first came out (version 7.00). E >By 7.02, they were supported.  The thing that gave the system a real-; >workout was a smooth-scrolling VT100 running at 9600 baud.0  C  I remember having operational 64 serial lines on 1091 in july 1980 
 on V6.03a.F  We had three more FEs, one with mixture of 16 serial and 2 synchonousE lines, the other two with 4 synchonous lines, and we had 5 dislocatedvH concentrators with 16 serial, 1 synchonous, line printer and card reader each.RH  The beast was scaleable (and it had at that time class scheduler, which made into VMS with 7.3 :).   Regards,  D Rok Vidmar                       Internet:  rok.vidmar@nuk.uni-lj.si; National and University Library  Phone:     +386 1 421 5461f; Turjaska 1, SI-1000 Ljubljana    Fax:       +386 1 425 7293  Slovenia   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:03:27 -0500-7 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net>r> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers- Message-ID: <39F8E26F.6ABC658A@earthlink.net>7   "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > . > In article <39F785DC.DC3C8FB@earthlink.net>,< >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:J > > > Let me rephrase my question. You are the system manager. You want toH > > > delete a job called SOME_JOB. So, you issue the command SHOW ENTRYJ > > > SOME_JOB to get its entry number. Then, only a few seconds later (itJ > > > takes a few seconds to type it and press RET), you issue the commandB > > > "DELETE/ENTRY entry-number" to delete the job. My concern is > whether itJ > > > is possible that ***during those few seconds***, unbeknownst to you,H > > > the job SOME_JOB just happens to complete, and then, subsequently,H > > > another user submits a job that just happens to get the same entry
 > > > number.E > >C( > > Well, understand what you're asking: > >r > > Example: > >nG > > 1. There are currently 978 entries in the system, entry 1 thru 978,sB > > either executing, pending or holding (/HOLD or timed-release). > >R) > > 2. Entry 765 completes at 22:00:00.00u > >n. > > 3. At 22:00:00.50, user XYZ SUBMITs a job. > >.I > > What you're REALLY asking is, will XYZ's job be assigned entry numberm > > 765? > >  >  > I know what I was asking.h > G > In this case I would not be worried, as there are 22 entry numbers to  > spare0  H How do you *KNOW* that? Have ther EVER been more than 978 entries in the! system? Can you *GUARANTEE* that?a  < > (unless I had an app that cranked out many queue jobs veryB > quickly -- I believe another poster mentioned just such an app). > J > > Again, I've never seen a VMS system where the count of available entryF > > numbers represented a finite set. So, I'd tend to believe, pending > proof  > I > I've seen them on different systems cycle from 1 to 1000 and 1 to 2000.r > Those are finite sets.  C ...until that (1000 or 2000) gets exceeded. Again, this is *NOT*, Im! repeat __N_O_T__ a finite set!!!!e  2 How much more clearly does this need to be stated?   -- i David J. Dachtera: dba DJE Systemsn http://www.djesys.com/  : Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page and Message Board: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/a  F This *IS* an OpenVMS-related newsgroup. So, a certain bias in postings is to be expected.  @ Feel free to exercise your rights of free speech and expression.  F However, attacks against individual posters, or groups of posters, are strongly discouraged.    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 22:16:42 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?* Message-ID: <39f8912a$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  E In article <39F766E4.19525.116CCB1@localhost>, stan@stanq.com writes:o* >On 25 Oct 2000, at 23:29, Feathers wrote:: >>   SETI seems to have crashed my machine ... any ideas ? >dG >Runs great on mine.  You might want to update to the latest version --a > 3.0 is current.a  % Yes, but not because of the crashes !t- SETI is usermode and no reason for a crash...h   -- a< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888e< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 22:18:27 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?* Message-ID: <39f89193$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <rdeininger-2610000010020001@user-2iveche.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:)? >Note there is a service manual for the DPW series at this URL:0 >2= >  ftp://ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/workstations/miatasg.exeu >cM >(It is horribly inconvenient to deal with, since it's a bunch of html files 3L >wrapped inside a wintel self-expanding executable.  A really stoopid way to  >package alpha/VMS information.)   I second that.E But I have to admit, that there is no problem to UNZIP it on OpenVMS.e So, keep resisting M$...   -- r< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888r< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:13:37 -0400w2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?L Message-ID: <rdeininger-2710000013370001@user-2ivecjn.dialup.mindspring.com>  B In article <39f89193$1@news.kapsch.co.at>, eplan@kapsch.net wrote:    O > >(It is horribly inconvenient to deal with, since it's a bunch of html files tN > >wrapped inside a wintel self-expanding executable.  A really stoopid way to" > >package alpha/VMS information.) >  > I second that.G > But I have to admit, that there is no problem to UNZIP it on OpenVMS.t > So, keep resisting M$...    J You mean there's a regular zip file buried in there?  I never even thoughtH of that.  I verified that it wasn't a vax or alpha .EXE, and begged help' from someone who uses a toy wintel box.d   -- e Robert Deininger rdeininger@mindspring.com-   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 17:26:48 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYD. Message-ID: <8t9pgo$rpk$5@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <mIVVnkcC6Ga0@eisner.decus.org>, malmberg@eisner.decus.org2 (John E. Malmberg) writes: i  C > The most obvious case is if you are using $DEFINE/USER SYS$OUTPUT.A > inside of your command procedure, or other wise redirecting the7D > output of command procedures called by your main routine to files. > C > When the file is read later in the command procedure, the parsing C > routines can get confused by finding the DCL procedure intermixed  > with the expected output.   : Right---see my reply to another post after realising this!   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 17:26:03 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYS. Message-ID: <8t9pfb$rpk$4@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <418E68E524A8D311ACCE00508B78866A7681F8@DENXCH>, Lorin Ricker# <Lorin.Ricker@t-netix.com> writes: e  L > P.S. to other posters/readers:  If this response again fails to show up asM > "plain text", rest assured that I'm gonna ditch this damned Outlook thingie2J > in favor of msg-participation using good old VMSmail and a TPU editor...  = Ditch it.  It followed the text version with an HTML version.    Let me suggest NEWSRDR:e  9 http://www2.wku.edu/scripts/fileserv/fileserv.com?NEWSRDRf  I Very VMS-style, with a user interface similar to that of VMS MAIL (which e also lets you define keys etc).n  J > In my experience, SET VERIFY (and F$VERIFY( ) ) have *never* changed the% > behavior of command file execution.s  F I found the problem.  Within a .COM, I was writing a .COM which calls F MAIL then executing it and parsing the output.  The SET VERIFY in the H outer .COM propagated to the inner .COM, which changed the output I was A parsing.  So I've added a line above and below the offending one:r   $  VERIFY = F$VERIFY(0)a2 $  @ SYS$SCRATCH:MAILCOM.TMP /OUT= SYS$SCRATCH:X.X# $  IF VERIFY .EQ. 1 THEN SET VERIFY   ? Is there something like callable MAIL from DCL?  Something likeo  9 $  USERS_NEW_MAIL_COUNT = F$GETUSI(USER,"NEW_MAIL_COUNT")e   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 20:36:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYA6 Message-ID: <8ta4k5$h1u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  [ In article <8t9ic3$pqp$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes: F :Other than doing what it is supposed to (writing each line of a .COM F :file to the screen before it is executed), under what conditions can G :turning verify on and off (from the command line, not from within the DG :file itself) change the behaviour of the execution of a .COM file?  I  G :have a case where this is happening, which is making debugging rather e :difficult!   L   Other than the obvious and entirely expected differences during activitiesK   such as I/O output redirection, there should be no particular changes in mK   behaviour of the procedure.  And I/O redirection appears to have been thelC   problem here, based on a later message.  From that later message:   @ :Is there something like callable MAIL from DCL?  Something like : : :$  USERS_NEW_MAIL_COUNT = F$GETUSI(USER,"NEW_MAIL_COUNT")  I   A simple program that uses callable mail to retrieve this and set up a eI   DCL symbol is likely available (somewhere).  It would be trivially easyoH   to create such a program, of course.  (As a starting point, there is aJ   tool which sets the newmail count in [srh_examples]callable_mail_test.c,   on the OpenVMS Freeware.)a  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:06:42 +0200i, From: "Bart Zorn" <B.Zorn@TrueBit.nospam.nl>- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYt* Message-ID: <8ta6fq$pd7$1@buty.wanadoo.nl>  J Another example of a procedure which will be affected by SET VERIFY is ANY& procedure which uses the PIPE command!  H I mentioned this at the OpenVMS engineering Q&A session, but none of the2 engineers present had ever stumbled upon this one!   Regards,  	 Bart Zorn   ? "Hoff Hoffman" <hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam> wrote in messageo0 news:8ta4k5$h1u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com... >wD > In article <8t9ic3$pqp$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:G > :Other than doing what it is supposed to (writing each line of a .COMuG > :file to the screen before it is executed), under what conditions can H > :turning verify on and off (from the command line, not from within theH > :file itself) change the behaviour of the execution of a .COM file?  IH > :have a case where this is happening, which is making debugging rather
 > :difficult!d >oC >   Other than the obvious and entirely expected differences during 
 activitiesL >   such as I/O output redirection, there should be no particular changes inI >   behaviour of the procedure.  And I/O redirection appears to have beenn thenE >   problem here, based on a later message.  From that later message:1 >iB > :Is there something like callable MAIL from DCL?  Something like > :t< > :$  USERS_NEW_MAIL_COUNT = F$GETUSI(USER,"NEW_MAIL_COUNT") > J >   A simple program that uses callable mail to retrieve this and set up aK >   DCL symbol is likely available (somewhere).  It would be trivially easyeJ >   to create such a program, of course.  (As a starting point, there is aL >   tool which sets the newmail count in [srh_examples]callable_mail_test.c, >   on the OpenVMS Freeware.)h >n, >  --------------------------- pure personal# opinion ---------------------------@1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineeringa hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >n   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:54:00 -0400PR From: jamese@beast.dtsw.army.mil (Ed James, 410-295-1919, ed.james@telecomsys.com)- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYh0 Message-ID: <00102617540068@beast.dtsw.army.mil>  I helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) wrote on 26 Oct 2000 17:26:03 GMT ini# <8t9pfb$rpk$4@info.service.rug.nl>:7  A > Is there something like callable MAIL from DCL?  Something like  > ; > $  USERS_NEW_MAIL_COUNT = F$GETUSI(USER,"NEW_MAIL_COUNT")   G Attached is SHOW_NEWMAIL.C that will display messages in a Mail folder.mC This program will also list the external mail file id of a message.EB It will return the count of newmail messages as a status code thatD can be read in a command file. See attached is NEWMAIL.COM that usesG this feature. MAILMSGDEF.H is also attached if you are running an oldero. version that does not have it in the Clibrary.   Hope this helps.  : Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919i; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919x5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094n  ? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< show_newmail.c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>o& static char version[]= "059812071656";   /**y: Ed James                           ed.james@telecomsys.com5 TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-1919 ; 2024 West Street, Suite 300              800-810-0827 x1919s5 Annapolis, MD 21401-3556           fax   410-280-1094e **/-   #include stdio #include stdlibe #include ssdef #include descrip #include maildef   #ifdef MAILMSGDEF_NOT_IN_SYSLIBc #include "mailmsgdef.h"3 #else2 #include <mailmsgdef.h>  #endif   #include nam #include string> #include lib$routines  #include str$routinesr  ' #define strNE(s1,s2)    (strcmp(s1,s2))S( #define strEQ(s1,s2)    (!strcmp(s1,s2))* #define strnNE(s1,s2,l) (strncmp(s1,s2,l))+ #define strnEQ(s1,s2,l) (!strncmp(s1,s2,l))G. #define test(stat)      if(((stat)&1) != 1) {\=                             printf("status: %08x\n",(stat));\sI                             if(exit_with_count) exit((stat)|0x90000000);\g3                             else lib$stop((stat));}a= #define check(stat)     if (((stat)&1) != 1) lib$stop((stat))u  ' #define ERRMSG          fprintf(stderr,    typedef int BOOL;s: typedef struct itmlst   { short buffer_length,  item_code;F                           long  buffer_address, return_length_address;	 } ITMLST;r  $ ITMLST nulllist[] = { { 0,0,0,0 } };  / static int              current_id, message_id;p> static int              messages_selected = 0, record_len = 0;, static unsigned int     message_context = 0;; int                     start_msg = 1, end_msg = 999999999; I BOOL                    exit_with_count = FALSE, show_only_extid = FALSE; &     /* if exit_with_count set to TRUE:G         The current folder, default: NEWMAIL, message count is returnedPJ         as a status value with the message inhibit flag ('10000000'x) set.  D         System status return codes are returned as negative numbers.G         The next higher level (usually a command file) then must decidelF         what to do. The high bit ('80000000'x) used to fake a negativeA         number is reserved for DEC use but not used as of 930714.       */d  D BOOL                    show_message = FALSE, enable_signal = FALSE;  4 int mail$mailfile_begin( unsigned int *user_context,/                          ITMLST in_item_list[],*1                          ITMLST out_item_list[]); 4 int mail$mailfile_open(  unsigned int *user_context,/                          ITMLST in_item_list[],*1                          ITMLST out_item_list[]);-4 int mail$mailfile_close( unsigned int *user_context,/                          ITMLST in_item_list[],?1                          ITMLST out_item_list[]);i4 int mail$mailfile_end(   unsigned int *user_context,/                          ITMLST in_item_list[], 1                          ITMLST out_item_list[]);l4 int mail$message_begin(  unsigned int *user_context,/                          ITMLST in_item_list[],n1                          ITMLST out_item_list[]);t4 int mail$message_select( unsigned int *user_context,/                          ITMLST in_item_list[],h1                          ITMLST out_item_list[]);T4 int mail$message_get(    unsigned int *user_context,/                          ITMLST in_item_list[],V1                          ITMLST out_item_list[]); 4 int mail$message_end(    unsigned int *user_context,/                          ITMLST in_item_list[],c1                          ITMLST out_item_list[]);r  O /*===========================================================================*/c   void display_info( void) {i     int     status, ii; 2     char    *rec_types[] = { "H", "T", "N", "?" };M     char    *flag_names[] = { "NEW", "REPLYD", "DW", "EXT", "EXTFNF", "NOTR", O                               "NONSTD", "MARKED", "RECMOD", "B9", "B10", "B11",-;                               "B12", "B13", "B14", "B15" };0G     static  int subject_len, sender_len, from_len, date_len, extid_len;:6     static  unsigned short record_type, flags, wflags;&     static  char record[NAM$C_MAXRSS];9     static  char date[NAM$C_MAXRSS], extid[NAM$C_MAXRSS];DQ     static  char subject[NAM$C_MAXRSS], sender[NAM$C_MAXRSS], from[NAM$C_MAXRSS];:'     ITMLST  message_get_in_itmlst[] = { ,                 { 0, MAIL$_NOSIGNAL, 0, 0 },2                 {0, MAIL$_MESSAGE_CONTINUE, 0, 0},                 { 0,0,0,0}},,            message_get_out_info_itmlst[] = {,                 { 0, MAIL$_NOSIGNAL, 0, 0 },J                 { sizeof( subject), MAIL$_MESSAGE_SUBJECT, (long) subject,)                     (long) &subject_len}, G                 { sizeof( sender), MAIL$_MESSAGE_SENDER, (long) sender,f(                     (long) &sender_len},A                 { sizeof( from), MAIL$_MESSAGE_FROM, (long) from, &                     (long) &from_len},D                 { sizeof( extid), MAIL$_MESSAGE_EXTID, (long) extid,'                     (long) &extid_len},mA                 { sizeof( date), MAIL$_MESSAGE_DATE, (long) date,n&                     (long) &date_len},@                 { sizeof( current_id), MAIL$_MESSAGE_CURRENT_ID,+                     (long) &current_id, 0}, =                 { sizeof( flags), MAIL$_MESSAGE_RETURN_FLAGS,L&                     (long) &flags, 0},                 { 0,0,0,0}},+            message_get_out_rec_itmlst[] = {t,                 { 0, MAIL$_NOSIGNAL, 0, 0 },G                 { sizeof( record), MAIL$_MESSAGE_RECORD, (long) record,b(                     (long) &record_len},B                 { sizeof( record_type), MAIL$_MESSAGE_RECORD_TYPE,,                     (long) &record_type, 0},                 { 0,0,0,0}},$            message_info_itmlst[] = {,                 { 0, MAIL$_NOSIGNAL, 0, 0 },P                 { sizeof( message_id), MAIL$_MESSAGE_ID, (long) &message_id, 0},                 { 0,0,0,0}};       if( enable_signal) {8         message_get_in_itmlst[0].item_code = MAIL$_NOOP;>         message_get_out_info_itmlst[0].item_code = MAIL$_NOOP;=         message_get_out_rec_itmlst[0].item_code = MAIL$_NOOP;l6         message_info_itmlst[0].item_code = MAIL$_NOOP;     } .     printf( "msgs: %5d\n", messages_selected);G     for( message_id = start_msg; message_id <= end_msg; message_id++) {.-         if( message_id > messages_selected) {n             break;	         }          else {M             status = mail$message_get( &message_context, message_info_itmlst,.-                 message_get_out_info_itmlst);,             check( status);t(             subject[subject_len] = '\0';&             sender[sender_len] = '\0';"             from[from_len] = '\0';"             date[date_len] = '\0';$             extid[extid_len] = '\0';#             if( extid[0] == '\0') {aD                 printf( "id:    %5d recvd: %s\n", current_id, date);
             }a             else {>                 printf( "id:    %5d recvd: %s    extid: %s\n",-                     current_id, date, extid);p
             }e*             printf( "flags: %04X", flags);7             for( wflags = flags, ii=0; ii < 16; ii++) { !                 if( wflags & 1) {e3                     printf( " %s", flag_names[ii]);6                 }n                 wflags >>= 1; 
             }<             printf( "\n");'             if( strEQ( from, sender)) {EK                 printf( "from:       %s\nsubject:    %s\n", from, subject);-
             }-             else {K                 printf( "from:       %s\nsender:      %s\nsubject:   %s\n",S+                     from, sender, subject);f
             }p             if( show_message) {g                 do {@                     status = mail$message_get( &message_context,K                         message_get_in_itmlst, message_get_out_rec_itmlst); 3                     if( status == MAIL$_RECTOBIG) {w6                         record_len = NAM$C_MAXRSS - 1;#                         status = 1;o                     }d%                     if( status & 1) {b2                         record[record_len] = '\0';B                         if( record_type == MAIL$_MESSAGE_HEADER) {#                             ii = 0;                          }rE                         else if( record_type == MAIL$_MESSAGE_TEXT) { #                             ii = 1;4                         }AE                         else if( record_type == MAIL$_MESSAGE_NULL) {A#                             ii = 2;'                         }-                         else {#                             ii = 3;d                         }bB                         printf( "%s %s\n", rec_types[ii], record);                     }0                 }j%                 while( (status & 1));<A                 if( !(status & 1) && status != MAIL$_NOMOREREC) {i&                     lib$stop( status);                 } 
             } 	         }s     }i }  /* end of display_info */  O /*===========================================================================*/.  % void show_command_line_options( void)  {b2     ERRMSG "SHOW_NEWMAIL V%s syntax:\n", version);*     ERRMSG "show_newmail [parameters]\n");.     ERRMSG " -? or -h   Display this help\n");1     ERRMSG " -d spec    Defaultspec for open\n");a1     ERRMSG " -e nnn     End with message nnn\n");bC     ERRMSG " -f name    Folder name for open, Default: NEWMAIL\n");-5     ERRMSG " -i         List only external id(s)\n");T1     ERRMSG " -l         List message(s) body\n");c:     ERRMSG " -m         Enable MAIL message signaling\n");/     ERRMSG " -n name    File name for open\n");k1     ERRMSG " -s nnn     Start at message nnn\n");2O     ERRMSG " -x         Exit with count of NEWMAIL messages as return code\n");F     return;O) }  /* end of show_command_line_options */   O /*===========================================================================*/r   main( int argc, char *argv[])f {      int  wrk_argc;     char **wrk_argv;     int  ii;=     int  param_error = FALSE, display_help = FALSE, next_arg;e1     static char folder[NAM$C_MAXRSS] = "NEWMAIL";r&     $DESCRIPTOR( folder_desc, folder);1     static char file_name[NAM$C_MAXRSS] = "MAIL";t,     $DESCRIPTOR( file_name_desc, file_name);0     static char file_default[NAM$C_MAXRSS] = "";2     $DESCRIPTOR( file_default_desc, file_default);#     static int status = SS$_NORMAL;8)     static unsigned int file_context = 0;i   #define FILE_NAME_ITEM   1 #define FILE_DEFAULT_ITEM 2e #define FOLDER_ITEM      1"     ITMLST  file_open_itmlst[] = {,                 { 0, MAIL$_NOSIGNAL, 0, 0 },K                 { sizeof( file_name) - 1, MAIL$_NOOP, (long) file_name, 0},oQ                 { sizeof( file_default) - 1, MAIL$_NOOP, (long) file_default, 0},T                 { 0,0,0,0}},&             message_begin_itmlst[] = {,                 { 0, MAIL$_NOSIGNAL, 0, 0 },@                 { sizeof( file_context), MAIL$_MESSAGE_FILE_CTX,-                     (long) &file_context, 0},e                 { 0,0,0,0}},*             message_select_in_itmlst[] = {,                 { 0, MAIL$_NOSIGNAL, 0, 0 },O                 { sizeof( folder) - 1, MAIL$_MESSAGE_FOLDER, (long) folder, 0},a                 { 0,0,0,0}},+             message_select_out_itmlst[] = {e,                 { 0, MAIL$_NOSIGNAL, 0, 0 },E                 { sizeof( messages_selected), MAIL$_MESSAGE_SELECTED, 2                     (long) &messages_selected, 0},                 { 0,0,0,0}};       wrk_argc = argc;     wrk_argv = argv;!     for( ii=1; ii < argc; ii++) { !         if( argv[ii][0] == '-') {IO             if( argv[ii][1] == '?' || argv[ii][1] == 'h') { /* display usage */a$                 display_help = TRUE;
             }oB             else if( argv[ii][1] == 'd') {      /* default spec */'                 if( (ii + 1) >= argc) {0>                     ERRMSG "Argument missing %s\n", argv[ii]);'                     param_error = TRUE;g                 }t                 else {D                     file_default[sizeof( file_default) - 1] == '\0';R                     strncpy( file_default, argv[ii+1], sizeof( file_default) - 1);C                     file_open_itmlst[FILE_DEFAULT_ITEM].item_code = 4                         MAIL$_MAILFILE_DEFAULT_NAME;                     ii++;s                 }a
             }uF             else if( argv[ii][1] == 'e') {    /* end message number */'                 if( (ii + 1) >= argc) {c>                     ERRMSG "Argument missing %s\n", argv[ii]);'                     param_error = TRUE;a                 }l                 else {A                     status = sscanf( argv[ii+1], "%d", &end_msg);n&                     if( status != 1) {Q                         ERRMSG "Invalid argument %s %s\n", argv[ii], argv[ii+1]);e+                         param_error = TRUE;t                     }C                     ii++;e                 }o
             }y?             else if( argv[ii][1] == 'f') {    /* folder name */i'                 if( (ii + 1) >= argc) {m>                     ERRMSG "Argument missing %s\n", argv[ii]);'                     param_error = TRUE;-                 }o                 else {8                     folder[sizeof( folder) - 1] == '\0';F                     strncpy( folder, argv[ii+1], sizeof( folder) - 1);                     ii++;                  } 
             }rJ             else if( argv[ii][1] == 'i') {    /* show only external ids */'                 show_only_extid = TRUE;e
             }pA             else if( argv[ii][1] == 'l') {    /* list messages */c$                 show_message = TRUE;
             }pJ             else if( argv[ii][1] == 'm') {    /* enable mail signalling */%                 enable_signal = TRUE;a
             }f=             else if( argv[ii][1] == 'n') {    /* file name */e'                 if( (ii + 1) >= argc) {o>                     ERRMSG "Argument missing %s\n", argv[ii]);'                     param_error = TRUE;                  }                  else {>                     file_name[sizeof( file_name) - 1] == '\0';L                     strncpy( file_name, argv[ii+1], sizeof( file_name) - 1);U                     file_open_itmlst[FILE_NAME_ITEM].item_code = MAIL$_MAILFILE_NAME;o                     ii++;v                 } 
             }hH             else if( argv[ii][1] == 's') {    /* start message number */'                 if( (ii + 1) >= argc) {r>                     ERRMSG "Argument missing %s\n", argv[ii]);'                     param_error = TRUE;i                 }e                 else {C                     status = sscanf( argv[ii+1], "%d", &start_msg);e:                     if( (status != 1) || (start_msg < 1)){Q                         ERRMSG "Invalid argument %s %s\n", argv[ii], argv[ii+1]);S+                         param_error = TRUE;o                     }                      ii++;e                 }b
             }aO             else if( argv[ii][1] == 'x') {    /* exit with count as ret code */f'                 exit_with_count = TRUE;a
             }h             else {:                 ERRMSG "Unknown argument %s\n", argv[ii]);#                 param_error = TRUE;-
             }r	         }          else {%             if( argv[ii][0] == '?') {n$                 display_help = TRUE;
             }d             else {:                 ERRMSG "Unknown argument %s\n", argv[ii]);#                 param_error = TRUE;m
             }1	         }      }s     if( param_error) {$         show_command_line_options();         exit( EXIT_FAILURE);     }.     if( display_help) {a$         show_command_line_options();         exit( EXIT_SUCCESS);     }$     if( enable_signal) {3         file_open_itmlst[0].item_code = MAIL$_NOOP;L7         message_begin_itmlst[0].item_code = MAIL$_NOOP;U;         message_select_in_itmlst[0].item_code = MAIL$_NOOP; <         message_select_out_itmlst[0].item_code = MAIL$_NOOP;     }   5     status = str$upcase( &folder_desc, &folder_desc);t     check( status);e;     status = str$upcase( &file_name_desc, &file_name_desc);S     check( status);LA     status = str$upcase( &file_default_desc, &file_default_desc);a     check( status);   E     status = mail$mailfile_begin( &file_context, nulllist, nulllist);J     test( status);H     file_open_itmlst[FILE_NAME_ITEM].buffer_length = strlen( file_name);N     file_open_itmlst[FILE_DEFAULT_ITEM].buffer_length = strlen( file_default);L     status = mail$mailfile_open( &file_context, file_open_itmlst, nulllist);     test( status);J     message_select_in_itmlst[FOLDER_ITEM].buffer_length = strlen( folder);H     status = mail$message_begin( &message_context, message_begin_itmlst,         nulllist);     test( status);M     status = mail$message_select( &message_context, message_select_in_itmlst,0#         message_select_out_itmlst);      if( !(status & 1)) {'         if( status == MAIL$_NOTEXIST) {d"             if( exit_with_count) {&                 messages_selected = 0;
             }s             else {:                 ERRMSG "%s folder not present\n", folder);
             } 	         }r         else {"             if( exit_with_count) {+                 exit( status | 0x90000000); 
             }s             else {"                 lib$stop( status);
             }G	         }e     })
     else {         if( !exit_with_count) { "             (void) display_info();	         }      } E     status = mail$message_end( &message_context, nulllist, nulllist);      test( status);E     status = mail$mailfile_close( &file_context, nulllist, nulllist);      test( status);C     status = mail$mailfile_end( &file_context, nulllist, nulllist);y     test( status);     if( exit_with_count) {.         exit( messages_selected | 0x10000000);     }s }e? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< show_newmail.c >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>,  = <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< mailmsgdef.h >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cB /* UNOFFICIAL definition of MAILMSGDEF.H taken from MAILMSGDEF.MARB    because the definitions are missing and error returns don't get=    defined properly elsewhere.  B. Z. Lederman 07-Jun-1989 */_   #ifndef MAILMSG_H_DEFINEDd   #define MAIL$_FACILITY 126 #define MAIL$_CODERR 8290316 #define MAIL$_UPGRADE 8290324W #define MAIL$_UAFGETERR 8290330  #define MAIL$_UAFOPNERR 8290338e #define MAIL$_NOSUCHUSR 8290346x #define MAIL$_NOTREADIN 8290354e #define MAIL$_LOGLINK 8290362t #define MAIL$_CREPRIJOB 8290370g #define MAIL$_SENDERR 8290378l #define MAIL$_NOMOREMSG 8290386t #define MAIL$_NOMSGS 8290394 #define MAIL$_USERSPEC 8290402 #define MAIL$_SENDABORT 8290410u #define MAIL$_EDITPROC 8290418 #define MAIL$_INVCMD 8290426 #define MAIL$_NOTFOUND 8290434 #define MAIL$_NETIOERR 8290442 #define MAIL$_USERDSABL 8290450_ #define MAIL$_FORWLOOP 8290458 #define MAIL$_NAMTOOBIG 8290466  #define MAIL$_ILLCHAR 8290474t #define MAIL$_DATIMUSED 8290482p #define MAIL$_NOTISAM 8290490, #define MAIL$_DELMSG 8290498 #define MAIL$_DELWASTE 8290506 #define MAIL$_NOFOLDER 8290514 #define MAIL$_NOTEXIST 8290522 #define MAIL$_NOTSUBDIR 8290530  #define MAIL$_ILLSUBDIR 8290538i #define MAIL$_ILLFOLNAM 8290546  #define MAIL$_NOMSGPRI 8290554 #define MAIL$_ALTPRIJOB 8290562  #define MAIL$_ILLPERNAM 8290570 ! #define MAIL$_NOSUCHUSRAT 8290578  #define MAIL$_SENDERRAT 8290586u #define MAIL$_CONABORT 8290594 #define MAIL$_NOTCALEDT 8290602t" #define MAIL$_FILECONFUSED 8290610 #define MAIL$_CAPTIVE 8290618  #define MAIL$_IVPROTVAL 8290626[ #define MAIL$_RECTOBIG 8290634 #define MAIL$_ILLCTXADR 8290642  #define MAIL$_WRONGCTX 8290650 #define MAIL$_FAILGETVM 8290658  #define MAIL$_INVITMCOD 8290666  #define MAIL$_MISREQITM 8290674  #define MAIL$_INVITMLEN 8290682  #define MAIL$_FILEOPEN 8290690  #define MAIL$_NOFILEOPEN 8290698 #define MAIL$_CONITMCOD 8290706e #define MAIL$_NOMORECTX 8290714x #define MAIL$_WRONGFILE 8290722S #define MAIL$_ILLTPRT 8290730  #define MAIL$_INVITMVAL 8290738[ #define MAIL$_ERACTED 8290746= #define MAIL$_FORMSG 8290754 #define MAIL$_NOTFORMSG 8290762d #define MAIL$_ERRACTRNS 8290770  #define MAIL$_BADVALUE 8290778 #define MAIL$_CLOSEDEL 8290786 #define MAIL$_FILNOTDEL 8290794  #define MAIL$_OPENIN 8290802 #define MAIL$_OPENOUT 8290810  #define MAIL$_PARSEFAIL 8290818R #define MAIL$_READERR 82908261  #define MAIL$_SEARCHFAIL 8290834 #define MAIL$_SYSERROR 8290842 #define MAIL$_NOSYSNAM 8290850 #define MAIL$_NOSYSPRV 8290858 #define MAIL$_PROTOCOL 8290866  #define MAIL$_NOACCPTMSG 8290874 #define MAIL$_SELECTED 8306307 #define MAIL$_DELMSGS 8306315[ #define MAIL$_CVTFILE 8306323S #define MAIL$_DELSPACE 8306331 #define MAIL$_NEWFOLDER 8306339]! #define MAIL$_RECLPLSWAIT 8306347  #define MAIL$_REENTER 8306355  #define MAIL$_MOREMSG 8314304A #define MAIL$_DIRHD0 8314312 #define MAIL$_DIRHD10 8314320, #define MAIL$_DIRHD20 8314328  #define MAIL$_DIRDEL10 8314336 #define MAIL$_ISUB10 8314344 #define MAIL$_ISUB20 8314352 #define MAIL$_ISUB30 8314360 #define MAIL$_PRESRET 8314368o  #define MAIL$_YOUHAVENEW 8314376 #define MAIL$_MAIL10 8314384 #define MAIL$_MAIL20 8314392 #define MAIL$_WANTOSEND 8314400r #define MAIL$_NOTIFY10 8314408 #define MAIL$_NOTIFY20 8314416  #define MAIL$_JOBENTERED 8314424 #define MAIL$_SHOW10 8314432 #define MAIL$_SHOW20 8314440 #define MAIL$_SHOW30 8314448 #define MAIL$_SHOW40 8314456 #define MAIL$_SHOW50 8314464 #define MAIL$_SHOW60 8314472 #define MAIL$_SHOW70 8314480 #define MAIL$_SHOW80 8314488 #define MAIL$_SHOW90 8314496 #define MAIL$_SHOW100 8314504  #define MAIL$_SHOW110 8314512E #define MAIL$_EDIT10 8314520 #define MAIL$_INFO10 8314528 #define MAIL$_INFO20 8314536 #define MAIL$_INFO30 8314544 #define MAIL$_SEND 8314552 #define MAIL$_REPLY 8314560, #define MAIL$_SHOW120 8314568t #define MAIL$_SHOW130 8314576  #define MAIL$_INFO50 8314584 #define MAIL$_SHOW140 8314592f #define MAIL$_SHOW150 8314600, #define MAIL$_SHOW160 8314608  #define MAIL$_ISUB50 8314616 #define MAIL$_MAIL30 8314624 #define MAIL$_RETCONT 8314632P #define MAIL$_NEWSEQ 8314640 #define MAIL$_MAILDIR 8314648  #define MAIL$_MAILFILE 8314656  #define MAIL$_MAILFOLDER 8314664 #define MAIL$_MAIL40 8314672  #define MAIL$_CRENEWFOLD 8314680 #define MAIL$_NONEWMAIL 8314688g #define MAIL$_SHOWKEY10 8314696  #define MAIL$_SHOWKEY20 8314704s #define MAIL$_SHOWKEY30 8314712i #define MAIL$_SHOWKEY40 8314720  #define MAIL$_SHOWKEY50 8314728s #define MAIL$_SHOWKEY60 8314736  #define MAIL$_SHOWKEY70 8314744. #define MAIL$_NOTIFY30 8314752 #define MAIL$_NOTIFY40 8314760 #define MAIL$_NOPARENT 8314768 #define MAIL$_FILEMPTY 8314776 #define MAIL$_NONEFOUND 8314784t #define MAIL$_NOMOREREC 8314792e #define MAIL$_USERFWD 8314800s #define MAIL$_PROMPT 8314808 #define MAIL$_INFO12 8314816 #define MAIL$_INFO14 8314824 #define MAIL$_INFO16 8314832 #define MAIL$_INFO18 8314840  #define MAIL$_CRENEWFILE 8314848 #define MAIL$_SHOW15 8314856 #define MAIL$_SHOW25 8314864 #define MAIL$_SHOW35 8314872 #define MAIL$_FORWARD 8314880_ #define MAIL$_SHOW200 8314888f #define MAIL$_SHOW205 8314896a #define MAIL$_SHOW210 8314904  #define MAIL$_SHOW215 8314912  #define MAIL$_CLOSEIN 8314920a #define MAIL$_CLOSEOUT 8314928 #define MAIL$_INVQUAVAL 8314936a #define MAIL$_WRITEERR 8314944 #define MAIL$_SHOW220 8314952f #define MAIL$_SHOW225 8314960d #define MAIL$_MSGTEXT 8322305u #define MAIL$_MSGINFO 8322313  #define MAIL$_MSGSENT 8322321f #define MAIL$_MSGSENTAT 8322329  #define MAIL$_YES 8322337i #define MAIL$_COPIEDR 8322345  #define MAIL$_CREATED 8322353  #define MAIL$_RENAMED 8322361a #define MAIL$_TEXT 8322369 #define MAIL$_MAILFOLD 8322377 #define MAIL$_WASTEFOLD 8322385r   #define MAILMSG_H_DEFINED  #endif= <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< mailmsgdef.h >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>e  @ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< newmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> $	_ver = 'f$verify(f$integer(f$trnlnm("SHOW_NEWMAIL_DEBUG")))'6 $	set noon	! 19991103 Call MAIL if new mail - Ed James- $	if p1 .eqs. "?" then goto command_file_helpe% $	if f$mode() .eqs. "BATCH" then exit  $	bell[0,8] = %x07 $	wo := write sys$output( $	count_newmail := $BIN:show_newmail.exe
 $	set noon $	count_newmail -x $	status = f$integer( $status) $	set on. $	if (status .and. %x40000000) .eq. %x40000000D $	then	status = status .and. %xbfffffff ! an error code + %x400000007 $		wo bell, "COUNT_NEWMAIL error: ", f$message( status)1 $		goto done $	endif @ $	records = status .and. %xefffffff ! remove inhibit message bit $	wo ""=B $	wo f$fao("You have !SL new !1%Cmessage!%Emessages!%F.", records) $	wo "" % $	if p1 .eqs. "" .and. records .gt. 0l0 $	then	define /user /nolog sys$input sys$command $		mail  $	endif / $done:	exit '$status' + ('f$verify( _ver)' * 0) ; $!	Ed James                           jamese@telecomsys.comA8 $!	TeleCommunications Systems, Inc.   voice 410-295-19198 $!	275 West Street, Suite 400         fax   410-280-1094 $!	Annapolis, MD 21401-1740  $command_file_help: D $	if f$logical("SYS$INPUT") .eqs. "SYS$COMMAND" then deassign /user 	 sys$input  $	type sys$input  $   Check MAIL file for new messages.   	   Format:        @COM:NEWMAIL  [ notify ]  6   If there are any new messages, MAIL will be started.  D   If there are any new messages, and the optional first parameter isJ   specified by any non-null string, you are notified. MAIL is not started.  K   If there are not any new messages, you are notified. MAIL is not started.b   $	goto doneH@ <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< newmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:04:08 -0400"3 From: "Edward J. Groth" <groth@pupgg.princeton.edu>-- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYG3 Message-ID: <39F87218.6F3AC9C6@pupgg.princeton.edu>n   Hoff Hoffman wrote:  > ] > In article <8t9ic3$pqp$1@info.service.rug.nl>, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) writes:GG > :Other than doing what it is supposed to (writing each line of a .COM G > :file to the screen before it is executed), under what conditions can)H > :turning verify on and off (from the command line, not from within theH > :file itself) change the behaviour of the execution of a .COM file?  IH > :have a case where this is happening, which is making debugging rather
 > :difficult!n > N >   Other than the obvious and entirely expected differences during activitiesL >   such as I/O output redirection, there should be no particular changes inM >   behaviour of the procedure.  And I/O redirection appears to have been the E >   problem here, based on a later message.  From that later message:_ > B > :Is there something like callable MAIL from DCL?  Something like > : < > :$  USERS_NEW_MAIL_COUNT = F$GETUSI(USER,"NEW_MAIL_COUNT") > J >   A simple program that uses callable mail to retrieve this and set up aK >   DCL symbol is likely available (somewhere).  It would be trivially easy J >   to create such a program, of course.  (As a starting point, there is aL >   tool which sets the newmail count in [srh_examples]callable_mail_test.c, >   on the OpenVMS Freeware.)i > P >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------N >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com  G In answer to this last question, (if you have suitable privileges, such  as SYSPRV), try this:&  + DISK0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSMGR]NEWMAILCOUNT.COM;2,  3 $! procedure to show the new mail count for user p1 8 $ profname=f$parse("vmsmail_profile","sys$system:.data")4 $ open/read/share/error=noprofile mailuaf 'profname' $ user = f$edit(p1,"UPCASE")5 $ read/error=nosuchuser/key='user' mailuaf mailrecord $ $ newcount=f$cvui(280,16,mailrecord): $ write sys$output newcount," new mail messages for ",user $ close mailuaf  $ exit $noprofile:n< $ write sys$output "No file SYS$SYSTEM:VMSMAIL_PROFILE.DATA" $ exit $nosuchuser:( $ write sys$output "No such user: ",user $ close mailuaf  $ exit    	 					- Ed' -- I   --  J /------------------------------------------------------------------------\H | Edward J. Groth, Assoc. Chr. | Phone: 609-258-4361   Fax: 609-258-6853 |gH | Physics Dept., Jadwin Hall   | URL: http://pupgg.princeton.edu/~groth/ |rH | Princeton University         | SPAN/HEPNET:  PUPGG::GROTH=44117::GROTH | H | Princeton, NJ 08544          | Internet:     groth@pupgg.princeton.edu |{J \------------------------------------------------------------------------/   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:35:20 GMT-) From: Dave Rodgers <rodgersd@my-deja.com>F' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher ) Message-ID: <8t9q0o$qse$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   2 More on Sun, courtesy of Gartner and TechRepublic:  + GARTNER SEES A PARTLY CLOUDY FUTURE FOR SUNe   Oct 20, 2000 Mike Walton   H Gartner analysts Daryl Plummer and Paul McGuckin are amazed at the power* of Sun Microsystems' marketing department.  @ They marvel at the computing giant's ability to keep selling theH UltraSPARC II server - one they described as getting long in the tooth -< while promising to release the UltraSPARC III at any moment.  H Plummer and McGuckin are also surprised that users who have been victimsE of a cache memory error that crashes their UltraSPARC II servers on a E whim are still flocking to the company to buy even more UltraSPARC IIa servers.  F When Plummer and McGuckin interviewed Sun CEO, Scott McNealy, Tuesday,H Oct. 17 at the Gartner Symposium/ITxpo in Orlando, FL, he told them thatD the company has a huge backlog of orders for the problematic server.G McNealy predicted that the company quarterly report, due out Wednesday, 7 would prove Sun customers' enthusiasm for the platform.-  E He didn't lie. For the second quarter in a row, Sun posted revenue of  more than $5 billion.i  6 "That's amazing growth for any company," Plummer said.  G The analysts said this very successful company has to watch two things:i  H o Being too arrogant in their relations with the bulk of their customers  B o Addressing - or failing to address - quality problems that could strangle their success  " NOT A COMPLETELY SUNNY DISPOSITION  G Sun has grown in both size and revenue, largely due to sales of serverse; and the expert positioning of Java in the Internet class of F operationswhich does more for their Internet credibility than it does) for their bottom line, the analysts said.   H As the company has grown and become successful, Plummer and McGuckin say? they are hearing more complaints from Gartner clients about thefF difficulty of getting Sun sales representatives to talk to them. OtherF Sun customers say that they are put off by Sun's "take it or leave it"	 attitude.   H "People are asking for more and [Sun] is saying, 'Why should we? We just0 had a second $5 billion quarter,'" Plummer said.  A Much of the company's focus has been on the top 10 percent of its G customers, particularly on telecommunications companies, McGuckin said.   H McGuckin and Plummer had a meal with McNealy after their Tuesday morningF interview with him. McGuckin said during this time, he picked up a lot6 of clues about where McNealy's interests are directed.  D "You could tell Scott has been spending a lot of time talking to the telecoms," McGuckin said.   H That isn't too surprising, considering that the most enthusiastic market3 for Sun servers is with Internet service providers.o  H "This is the number-one factor that has sparked their success," McGuckin said.{  B Sun's success with high-end servers may be great for the company'sC current bottom line, but reliance on that specific market creates aeC revenue imbalance and a significant financial vulnerability if thate! market loses its competitiveness.   F That could happen if the quality of those servers comes into question, the analysts said.   PARTLY SUNNY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH  G Plummer and McGuckin also mentioned a cache reliability problem in some(B of Sun's enterprise servers, particularly the Sun UE10000, and the@ frustrations this problem is causing Sun customers. According toC Plummer, Sun is trying to address some of these quality and supportcE problems, but it may take 12 months for these programs to bear fruit.O  D "It is clear Sun doesn't want to be in the service market," McGuckinD said. "They can do it very well, but they don't do it often enough."  E The "unusual but not rare" problem is in the L2 cache of the UE10000,eH 6500, and 4500 servers, he said, particularly in those servers that have8 a full complement or near-full complement of processors.  E "The problem is, there is some sort of problem in the secondary cacheb0 that causes the server to crash," McGuckin said.  C Even though Sun plans to come out with a mirrored memory cache thateC should solve the problem in the UltraSPARC II servers, many Gartner : customers are telling the analysts that isn't good enough.  B When Sun releases its UltraSPARC III servers, there will be memoryC correction built into the processors, solving the problem for good,  McGuckin said.      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 18:11:51 GMTa2 From: Dave S <dave.senestraro@nospam.solveris.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughers3 Message-ID: <39F8748C.9987E74D@nospam.solveris.com>   J Boy - Is it just me or does some of Sun's attitude sound familar to DEC in days past???   dave   Dave Rodgers wrote:   4 > More on Sun, courtesy of Gartner and TechRepublic: > - > GARTNER SEES A PARTLY CLOUDY FUTURE FOR SUNx >w > Oct 20, 2000
 > Mike Waltonx > J > Gartner analysts Daryl Plummer and Paul McGuckin are amazed at the power, > of Sun Microsystems' marketing department. > B > They marvel at the computing giant's ability to keep selling theJ > UltraSPARC II server - one they described as getting long in the tooth -> > while promising to release the UltraSPARC III at any moment. >=J > Plummer and McGuckin are also surprised that users who have been victimsG > of a cache memory error that crashes their UltraSPARC II servers on a G > whim are still flocking to the company to buy even more UltraSPARC IIl
 > servers. >0H > When Plummer and McGuckin interviewed Sun CEO, Scott McNealy, Tuesday,J > Oct. 17 at the Gartner Symposium/ITxpo in Orlando, FL, he told them thatF > the company has a huge backlog of orders for the problematic server.I > McNealy predicted that the company quarterly report, due out Wednesday,p9 > would prove Sun customers' enthusiasm for the platform.e >AG > He didn't lie. For the second quarter in a row, Sun posted revenue of3 > more than $5 billion.  >08 > "That's amazing growth for any company," Plummer said. >RI > The analysts said this very successful company has to watch two things:5 > J > o Being too arrogant in their relations with the bulk of their customers >_D > o Addressing - or failing to address - quality problems that could > strangle their success >R$ > NOT A COMPLETELY SUNNY DISPOSITION >0I > Sun has grown in both size and revenue, largely due to sales of servers = > and the expert positioning of Java in the Internet class of H > operationswhich does more for their Internet credibility than it does+ > for their bottom line, the analysts said.7 > J > As the company has grown and become successful, Plummer and McGuckin sayA > they are hearing more complaints from Gartner clients about theOH > difficulty of getting Sun sales representatives to talk to them. OtherH > Sun customers say that they are put off by Sun's "take it or leave it" > attitude.L >OJ > "People are asking for more and [Sun] is saying, 'Why should we? We just2 > had a second $5 billion quarter,'" Plummer said. >LC > Much of the company's focus has been on the top 10 percent of itsOI > customers, particularly on telecommunications companies, McGuckin said.  >0J > McGuckin and Plummer had a meal with McNealy after their Tuesday morningH > interview with him. McGuckin said during this time, he picked up a lot8 > of clues about where McNealy's interests are directed. >nF > "You could tell Scott has been spending a lot of time talking to the > telecoms," McGuckin said.  >LJ > That isn't too surprising, considering that the most enthusiastic market5 > for Sun servers is with Internet service providers.  >LJ > "This is the number-one factor that has sparked their success," McGuckin > said.  >fD > Sun's success with high-end servers may be great for the company'sE > current bottom line, but reliance on that specific market creates aLE > revenue imbalance and a significant financial vulnerability if that8# > market loses its competitiveness.  >dH > That could happen if the quality of those servers comes into question, > the analysts said. >d  > PARTLY SUNNY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH > I > Plummer and McGuckin also mentioned a cache reliability problem in someCD > of Sun's enterprise servers, particularly the Sun UE10000, and theB > frustrations this problem is causing Sun customers. According toE > Plummer, Sun is trying to address some of these quality and supportdG > problems, but it may take 12 months for these programs to bear fruit.  >LF > "It is clear Sun doesn't want to be in the service market," McGuckinF > said. "They can do it very well, but they don't do it often enough." >dG > The "unusual but not rare" problem is in the L2 cache of the UE10000,SJ > 6500, and 4500 servers, he said, particularly in those servers that have: > a full complement or near-full complement of processors. > G > "The problem is, there is some sort of problem in the secondary cache 2 > that causes the server to crash," McGuckin said. >4E > Even though Sun plans to come out with a mirrored memory cache thatAE > should solve the problem in the UltraSPARC II servers, many Gartner8< > customers are telling the analysts that isn't good enough. >0D > When Sun releases its UltraSPARC III servers, there will be memoryE > correction built into the processors, solving the problem for good,D > McGuckin said. > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.A   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:36:43 -0500,/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>H Subject: TEK 4111 emulator?_O Message-ID: <AF635758014253B7.B525B5A0D39C1108.45A5D3FDE8D564DD@lp.airnews.net>d  C I am looking for a TEK 4111 emulator for VAX/VMS V7.1 and eXcursionL V3.0.0  H The TEK display needs to appear on the PC screen.  Ideally, it should beF addressable as a device from the VAX (although I have some flexibility there).D  ! Does anyone have any suggestions?6  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------f$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com L   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 23:14:49 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)# Subject: V72_MGMTAGENTS and TCPwareI* Message-ID: <39f89ec9$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  H After finding out, that the (long awaited) MGMTAGENTS are not compatbile: with TCPware, we heard that "they will be supported soon".  C Is there any progress ? Is there already a TCPware SNMP agent which_H supports Q's V72_MGMTAGENTS as eSNMP subagents ? If not, when expected ?  E TCPware has still A LOT more features than Q's TCP/IPs and more still B to come (SSH, SYSLOGD, future VMS extauth support, ...) hopefully.; [e]SNMP seems to be so far the only disadvantage of TCPware_& 	(no UCX compatibility in this area ?)   TIA   B PS: The V7x_MGMTAGENTS are not an example of good VMS programming.: They are not cluster aware (eg. installed in SYS$SPECIFIC) -- f< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 20:47:07 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)n Subject: VM question, Message-ID: <8ta58b$2tj7$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>  B Is the amount of VM a configurable option or is it based solely onD detected resources??  I have been trying to build the latest version of LYNX on my VS3100 but:rC If I do it as a regular user I it dies with a message about running!
 out of VM.E If I do it as SYSTEM it just reaches a certain point and stops.  BeeneF sitting there for 2 days now.  It is possible to log in from somewhere else, but it is real slugish.e  
 Any hope??   bill   -- eJ Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>       ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 15:31:01 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515) Subject: Re: VM question3 Message-ID: <NOHRcG8yHCgv@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>n  - In article <8ta58b$2tj7$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, i8     	bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:D > Is the amount of VM a configurable option or is it based solely onF > detected resources??  I have been trying to build the latest version > of LYNX on my VS3100 but:1E > If I do it as a regular user I it dies with a message about runningl > out of VM.  H         On VMS, process virtual memory  is (roughly) limited to PGFLQUO,H     a SYSUAF parameter, but also (on VAXes) by the VIRTUALPAGECNT SYSGENH     parameter.   A process cannot get more than VIRTUALPAGECNT pages  ofH     virtual memory no matter what the process PGFLQUO is.  [In addition,H     the PQL_DPGFLQUOTA and/or PQL_MPGFLQUOTA SYSGEN parameters may  come     into play.]t  H         Now you can set  (AUTOGEN)  VIRTUALPAGECNT to anything you want,H     but  your  system can only provide a maximum of <physical memory>  +H     <sum of all pagefiles> pages of virtual memory (roughly), and in anyH         given instance, somewhat less  than  that  (or  a  LOT less) mayH     actually  be  available.  If VIRTUALPAGECNT is set higher than  this>     sum, you can actually hang the whole system...don't do it.  H         So yes, you can configure  more  virtual  memory up to the pointH     that  you've "subscribed" all of physical memory plus available pageH     file space.  AUTOGEN is your friend, here.  If the above  sum  isn'tH     enough  for  the application you want to build/run, then you'll needH     to add more physical memory  and/or  more  pagefile space, which may%     require more and/or bigger disks.n  G > If I do it as SYSTEM it just reaches a certain point and stops.  BeenrH > sitting there for 2 days now.  It is possible to log in from somewhere > else, but it is real slugish.a  H         If you log  in  from  another  source  to  a  privileged accountH     (SYSTEM would be good) and do a SHOW PROC/QUOTA/ID=<the pid> for theH     currently  "hung"  SYSTEM process, then look about halfway down  theH     left column of entries for "Paging file quota:", I think you'll findH     that the value listed, which is the _remaining_ quota,  is  zero  orH     near zero.  That's why the process hung.  That the second process isH     "sluggish"  suggests  that  the page file is nearly full and/or thatH     the swap file is too small  to  allow the hung process to be swapped     out.           -Ken -- tM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edun:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 22:54:57 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: VM question6 Message-ID: <8taco1$jbd$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ` In article <8ta58b$2tj7$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>, bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes:C :Is the amount of VM a configurable option or is it based solely onpE :detected resources??  I have been trying to build the latest version  :of LYNX on my VS3100 but:D :If I do it as a regular user I it dies with a message about running :out of VM.      The exact message would be?-     OpenVMS VAX Version?  F :If I do it as SYSTEM it just reaches a certain point and stops.  BeenG :sitting there for 2 days now.  It is possible to log in from somewherep :else, but it is real slugish.  F   Any messages on the console?  With insufficient pagefile configured,6   it is possible to bring the entire system to a halt.  F   On OpenVMS VAX and on pre-V7 Alpha, VIRTUALPAGECNT and BALSETCNT areE   used to determine the size of the page tables, and these tables andhI   pool and most everything else are all stuffed into 2GB of system space.u  K   On OpenVMS Alpha V7.0 and later, VIRTUALPAGECNT is effectively unlimited,mI   as the page tables have been moved out of system space and into what isPK   called pagetable space -- these tables are no longer limited by what can s*   be stuffed into the 2GB of system space.  L   On OpenVMS VAX and on OpenVMS Alpha, PGFLQUOTA is another limiting factor I   on the amount of virtual address space available to each process -- on eJ   OpenVMS Alpha V7.0 and later, this is the most common limit on available   address space.  I   Space available in the pagefile dictates how much of virtual memory cannN   be used, please see the OpenVMS FAQ section "MGMT17. Why do I have negative I   number in the pagefile reservable pages?" for some background.  So longeI   as every process doesn't need all of its allotted space in the pagefilesI   (so long as there is free space), OpenVMS and the applications can keephL   paging memory as required.  When more virtual memory is required than can J   be stored in available physical memory and in available backing storage I   (both in the pagefiles, swapfiles, and in other files that I won't get eJ   into here), then the entire OpenVMS system will come to a grinding halt.  M   Also, I've seen the linker churn away for quite some time due to incompletevI   specifications and filename stickyness -- it can potentially take quite K   some time for the linker to unroll back through a long series of partial  :   file specifications to determine that a file is missing.  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   Date: 26 Oct 2000 23:46:01 GMT& From: brown@taiga.gmcl.com (Rob Brown) Subject: Re: VM question. Message-ID: <8tafnp$1e4$2@dagger.ab.videon.ca>  2 Bill Gunshannon (bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu) wrote:  D : Is the amount of VM a configurable option or is it based solely on : detected resources??  D VM?  Virtual memory?  The amount a user gets is mostly controlled byG PGFLQUO in the UAF.  Run AUTHORIZE in SYS$SYSTEM to examine and change.s: You need to log out and log in again to use the new quota.  G : If I do it as SYSTEM it just reaches a certain point and stops.  Been0H : sitting there for 2 days now.  It is possible to log in from somewhere : else, but it is real slugish.P  I Sounds like your page file may be full.  Try $SHOW MEMORY/FILES.  AUTOGENmG and reboot will resize your page file.  Or you can use SYSGEN to createeF and install an additional page file and then log out and log in again.   - Robo     -- --  / Rob Brown                        brown@gmcl.comn6 G. Michaels Consulting Ltd.      (780)438-2101 (voice)4 Edmonton                         (780)437-3367 (FAX)1                                  http://gmcl.com/    ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:16:52 -0400v% From: "Brian Tillman" <tillman_brian>r" Subject: Re: VMS 7.2 and CMUIP 6.6$ Message-ID: <39f8829c$1@news.si.com>  ? >     We have recently upgraded from VMS 5.5-2 to Open VMS 7.2.t< >We had been using CMUIP FTP for file transfers between a pc >using windows 98. >eI >     We have encountered an error saying that the user name and passwordl are 	 >invalid.n  5 This is a known problem.  Get and read the CMUIP FAQ.S --A Brian Tillman                   Internet: tillman_brian at si.comtA Smiths Industries, Inc.                   tillman at swdev.si.comS= 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS      Addresses modified to preventb< Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991     SPAM.  Replace "at" with "@"8        This opinion doesn't represent that of my company   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 19:30:43 -0500* From: kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)# Subject: VMS in the first sentence!e+ Message-ID: <zpAbdXLTMamq@eisner.decus.org>p  D Saw this story today, thought I'd pass it along.  VMS gets mentioned in the first sentence!  T http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=cmt-300b2324&feed=cmt&date=20001026   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 21:03:01 -0400i- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>t' Subject: Re: VMS in the first sentence!m, Message-ID: <39F8D440.4B9C03C0@videotron.ca>   Marty Kuhrt wrote: > F > Saw this story today, thought I'd pass it along.  VMS gets mentioned > in the first sentence! > V > http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=cmt-300b2324&feed=cmt&date=20001026  I One more example why the "open" should be droppd alltogether. Everyone is,L using "VMS", except when they have to list "official" stuff, at which point,
 it gets ugly:S    D In the above URL, they mention "VMS" in the text, but at the bottom:  ;  -Compaq (CPQ) Alpha -- OpenVMS, Digital UNIX, Windows NT -u<               -DEC VAX and DECstation -- OpenVMS/VMS, Ultrix   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 16:46:39 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> 0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?, Message-ID: <39F89826.753CBBD1@videotron.ca>   "S. Myers" wrote:cD > use on a NT based system. They are Text files to his system, alongD > with End-Of-Blocks, but when he sends them to me there are no line > ends.   K VMS is capable of storing text files in such a way that there are no end of J line characters, each line is a counted string with a control block at theK start to determine how long the line is. This allows files to contain CR/LFI1 charcaters anywhere inside the line for instance.m  & They are variable record length files.  M When you transfer such files to another system, ensure that the software usedaJ to transfer the files is set to "text" mode, in which case, both ends willG understand each other and ensure that a common line terminator is used..  M The same happens if you transfer files from a mac to a PC. The software needsoG to convert the mac's line "philosophy" to a standard philosphy, and theiS receiving PC then converst the "standard philosophy" into its own line philospophy.   H When you make a binary transfer, only the raw data is transfered. and no  conversion of line ends is made.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:14:32 -0700n- From: S. Myers <REMOVETHISsmyers75@email.com>r0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?8 Message-ID: <124hvs4ukghmrcg7l24b6sagh6bmftf7mc@4ax.com>   Thank you for the explaination  A I wrote a small VB program based on your reply and it works fine.    S.Myerse    4 On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:23:22 +0100, "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk> wrote:   >t; >"S. Myers" <REMOVETHISsmyers75@email.com> wrote in messagea3 >news:v5hgvsslottibks6qboes1308ulbu1jcm3@4ax.com...c > H >> Is anybody aware of what format this is and how I can convert it to a >> PC viewable text file?h > J >The best way to fix files up is not to break them in the first place. FTPH >in text mode or similar should handle it transparently. Transferring inA >binary and trying to fix up later is definitely a second choice.' > H >Having said that, it's not so hard. There is a two byte count, followedF >by the data. Insert the line separator of your choice between counted	 >strings:, >r  >01 00: 25 00            % <NUL> >20 00: 4F 32 36...     O32... >u2 >Records are padded to even align the count field. >e >y >r   ------------------------------    Date: 26 Oct 2000 18:11:07 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?+ Message-ID: <Dd8bZPruwZ7n@eisner.decus.org>e  \ In article <39F89826.753CBBD1@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > O > When you transfer such files to another system, ensure that the software usedsL > to transfer the files is set to "text" mode, in which case, both ends willI > understand each other and ensure that a common line terminator is used.u >   H Ah, but if you happen to have text in fixed length records they tend notH to get handled properly when transfered via FTP (I thought I just had toD make sure I was in text mode).  We've had this problem with MultinetI 4.2A (VMS 6.2) and some 80 byte fixed length record files we had to send NH to a UNIX system.  Couldn't convince FTP to treat the 80 bytes as a textD lines no matter what we did, had to manually add the line separators after the transfer.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouprE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 22:52:56 +0000 # From: Christof <brass@infopuls.com>r0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?, Message-ID: <39F8B5C8.8D99070C@infopuls.com>   Ever thought about convert/fdl?u? Till now I solved every single conversion/transfer problem thatp way.   Bob Koehler wrote: > ^ > In article <39F89826.753CBBD1@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: > >gQ > > When you transfer such files to another system, ensure that the software usedlN > > to transfer the files is set to "text" mode, in which case, both ends willK > > understand each other and ensure that a common line terminator is used.e > >h > J > Ah, but if you happen to have text in fixed length records they tend notJ > to get handled properly when transfered via FTP (I thought I just had toF > make sure I was in text mode).  We've had this problem with MultinetJ > 4.2A (VMS 6.2) and some 80 byte fixed length record files we had to sendJ > to a UNIX system.  Couldn't convince FTP to treat the 80 bytes as a textF > lines no matter what we did, had to manually add the line separators > after the transfer.X > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationv? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group6G >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying-   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 04:38:17 +0200I2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)L Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?; Message-ID: <39f8ea99.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>A  3 David Mathog (mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu) wrote:.K : Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:t7 : >mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes:  : >>E : >> None of which negates the argument that there should be a simple_D : >> way to test SCSI disks on the end user's system.  And if such aF : >> test requires that all devices on a bus be tested at once, that's : >> fine too. S : >Y3 : >It already exists on your VMS system - run UETP.e : > E : >PS: Dunno whether it is still included...there was a time when DECiC : >recommended running UETP as an acceptance test after installing/m : >upgrading VMS.g :mH : It's there in SYS$TEST.  Not a spec of documentation in that directory9 : or in HELP though.  In which manual is it documented???   ? Think I've recently seen a usage guide in the System Manager's.A   cu,    Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de-N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.600 ************************