1 INFO-VAX	Fri, 27 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 601       Contents: API for StorageWorks devices? ! Re: API for StorageWorks devices? ! Re: API for StorageWorks devices? 6 Re: Cheap Alpha - What config is good and WHAT PRICE ? Re: Compaq's brand image! Re: Connection with a Informix DB  Re: Disk performance under VMS Re: eBay (guess what) again. Re: eBay (guess what) again.+ Re: Educational licenses - more information + Re: Educational licenses - more information % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 
 Re: F$LOGICAL 
 Re: F$LOGICAL  Re: Fortune cookies? Re: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC  Re: license problems Re: license problems Re: license problems' Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?  Memo:  Museum piece  Re: Memo:  Museum piece  Re: Memo:  Museum piece  Memo:  Re: INFO-VAX 2000.600  Re: Memo:  Re: INFO-VAX 2000.600! Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS ! Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS ! Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS ! Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS  Re: open an Imac?  Re: open an Imac? $ OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT" Re: OpenVMS Technical Resource Kit
 Oracle iAS% Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol % Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol % Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server  PHP for VMS? Re: PHP for VMS? Re: PHP for VMS?! Print drivers for OKI printers??? % Re: Print drivers for OKI printers???  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?  Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit? 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers  Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference? 
 set node-name  Re: set node-name  Re: set node-name ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ? ! Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ? 4 Shannon Knows Compaq's CETS 2000 After-Action Report$ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY$ Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher to: set node-name $ Virtual addresses with Multinet-4.2? Re: VMS in the first sentence! Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass!  Re: Welcome to Encompass! . Re: What does this mean? (DECthreads bugcheck)' Re: What VMS format are these files in? ' Re: What VMS format are these files in? ' Re: What VMS format are these files in? ' Re: What VMS format are these files in? C Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ? 8 Re: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to  VMS 7.2-17 Re: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to VMS 7.2-1   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:06:35 -0000 % From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) & Subject: API for StorageWorks devices?/ Message-ID: <svirubq24r2142@news.supernews.com>   C I've been looking for any documentation --- or even any mention --- ? of an API for StorageWorks devices and have been unable to find B anything.  Does anyone know if such exists?  If so, pointers would  be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.   ok dpm  --  3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/ - systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.com C                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal) C COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:Murphy_DavidP@emc.com        (work)    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:25:57 -0400 , From: Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com>* Subject: Re: API for StorageWorks devices?> Message-ID: <hshubs-19E42A.08255727102000@news.mindspring.com>  H In article <svirubq24r2142@news.supernews.com>, dpm@myths.com (David P.  Murphy) wrote:  D >I've been looking for any documentation --- or even any mention ---@ >of an API for StorageWorks devices and have been unable to findC >anything.  Does anyone know if such exists?  If so, pointers would ! >be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.   K StorageWorks devices are SCSI.  Check that out in the I/O User's Reference  O manual.  It'll tell you how to use the lowest level I/O you're going to get on  / a VMS box: $QIO, which is very well documented.  --   Howard S ShubsD "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!"   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:36:00 +0100 * From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>* Subject: Re: API for StorageWorks devices?, Message-ID: <8tc0ch$1edu@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>  \ "David P. Murphy" <dpm@myths.com> wrote in message news:svirubq24r2142@news.supernews.com...E > I've been looking for any documentation --- or even any mention --- A > of an API for StorageWorks devices and have been unable to find D > anything.  Does anyone know if such exists?  If so, pointers would" > be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.  C What sort of API are you looking for? If you're looking for an ASPI F or CAM like interface, the I/O users generic SCSI class driver section mostly applies.    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 14:15:20 GMT0 From: "Dale A. Dellutri" <ddellutr@enteract.com>? Subject: Re: Cheap Alpha - What config is good and WHAT PRICE ? + Message-ID: <8tc2lo$nf6$1@bob.news.rcn.net>   P On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 20:10:28 -0400, Island Computers <sales@islandco.com> wrote: > We're all earsK > Tell me the perfect cheap hobbyist Alpha and we'll try to bring it to you N > We still have loads of these PC164LX cards and even moreAlpha PWS433/500 and > 600's - a's and au's  D I'm curious about building a "portable" VMS Alpha system.  I see ads? for "portable" cases in Computer Shopper (www.casedepot.com and D www.jinco.com).  They look like they'd be able to take a standard PC" board.  Not laptops, but portable.  C Have you considered building a portable system using something like  this?    --  & Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:20:34 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>! Subject: Re: Compaq's brand image * Message-ID: <39F98122.33632853@uk.sun.com>   "David J. Dachtera" wrote: >  > kparris@my-deja.com wrote: > >   H > I asked someone (I don't recall his name just now) after the "listens"J > panel about this. I was told that their strategy is to present Compaq inJ > the same light as the world seems to view IBM - a vendor of all sizes of" > systems, desktop to data center. > > Interesting because IBM has been struggling with how to brand = themselves and re-market their products faced with a similar  < issue to Compaqs of poor revenue growth in their high margin< products and better revenue growth in their very low margin ? products and a confusion about what IBM's strategy is for their  product set.  G You may have seen the e, I, P, Z announcments where IBM have re-branded * the Intel, UNIX, AS/400 and S390 products.  ; In this light IBM may right example for Compaq to be using.    Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:46:53 -0400 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>* Subject: Re: Connection with a Informix DBD Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001027074653.00a4cd00@discovery.fuentez.com>  C Verastream from WRQ does this (and many other DB's) very very well. 2 Supports OVMS and 25-30 other platforms/databases.  ' http://www.wrq.com/products/verastream/    Regards,   Jim   $ AND it was developed in Holland! :-)  & At 03:22 PM 10/26/2000 GMT, you wrote: >In article <39f813da@wau.nl>,' >  "Bart Huls" <b.huls@meteo.nl> wrote:  >> Hi, >>D >> Can anyone tell me if there is a tool to make a connection with a	 >Informix 
 >> DB running 1 >> on a HP and a Dec Alpa Station running on VMS. @ >> Is there maybe a possible solution in ESQL-C for Dec Alpa VMS >> >> Regards,  >> >> Bart Huls >>& >> PS.: Please respond also by mail... > ? >Can you say "Tuxedo 6.5 on OpenVMS?"  I am in Sweden right now > >helping a customer who is using Tuxedo on VMS/Alpha, AIX, and8 >Solaris. hey have OracleRdb on VMS and Informix on AIX.2 >You can read more about it at http://www.bea.com/ >  >Wayne >  > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy. > 8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door. 8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systems  Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USA   # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235  Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com          jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------  / Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:22:52 +0200 (MET DST) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>' Subject: Re: Disk performance under VMS 6 Message-ID: <200010270619.IAA01251@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,   Bernd Eckstein wrotes:   >>> % That's the way every modern HD works. B The inner tracks are way shorter thaen the outer ones. So they canA put more sectors to the outer tracks. As all tracks have the same E rotation speed ( Constant Angular Velocity ) data on the outer tracks  come up faster.  <<<   D Constant Angular Velocity means that the speed is as faster as outerF the track is. In case of this you will have more sectors (continuously write) and faster speed.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:06:34 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again. * Message-ID: <39F961BA.9CB2B675@uk.sun.com>   Warren Spencer wrote:  > 2 > wwebb1@email.usps.gov (Webb, William W) wrote in@ > <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB284@rlghncst625.usps.gov>: >  > -- snip -- > C > >As part of the upgrade, eBay has begun to divide its system into C > >different databases and onto different systems. The goal is that D > >if one feature on the system goes down, the rest of the site will( > >still be available, the company said. > >  >  > -- snip -- > K > It appears they are partitioning the application to increase availability J > and scalability.  If so, IMHO, it's a clumsy and course hack that likelyG > would be unneccessary it the application was hosted on OpenVMS, where A > galaxy and clusters provide native partitioning and incremental  > scalability. > @ So if you had an Oracle Database running on say a 2 node OpenVMS@ cluster for performance reasons. How would you tune the database? if for example you wanted to add another 2 nodes and run OPS on < 4 rather than 2 nodes. How would you ensure that the queries) are evenly balanced across all the nodes.   = Of course you don't have to partion the database but remember ? you want the best performance ideally you are aiming for linear = scalability into your single DBMS by adding additional nodes.   < Get back to me when you have though it out and please please? don't come back with OpenVMS clusters just do it transparently,  they don't.      Regards  Andrew Harrison  Enterprise IT Architect    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2000 11:41:57 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) % Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again. * Message-ID: <8tc7o5$he2$1@lisa.gemair.com>  * In article <39F961BA.9CB2B675@uk.sun.com>,2 andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote: >Warren Spencer wrote: >>  3 >> wwebb1@email.usps.gov (Webb, William W) wrote in A >> <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB284@rlghncst625.usps.gov>:  >>  
 >> -- snip --  >>  D >> >As part of the upgrade, eBay has begun to divide its system intoD >> >different databases and onto different systems. The goal is thatE >> >if one feature on the system goes down, the rest of the site will ) >> >still be available, the company said.  >> > >>  
 >> -- snip --  >>  L >> It appears they are partitioning the application to increase availabilityK >> and scalability.  If so, IMHO, it's a clumsy and course hack that likely H >> would be unneccessary it the application was hosted on OpenVMS, whereB >> galaxy and clusters provide native partitioning and incremental >> scalability.  >>  A >So if you had an Oracle Database running on say a 2 node OpenVMS A >cluster for performance reasons. How would you tune the database @ >if for example you wanted to add another 2 nodes and run OPS on= >4 rather than 2 nodes. How would you ensure that the queries * >are evenly balanced across all the nodes. > > >Of course you don't have to partion the database but remember@ >you want the best performance ideally you are aiming for linear> >scalability into your single DBMS by adding additional nodes. > = >Get back to me when you have though it out and please please @ >don't come back with OpenVMS clusters just do it transparently, >they don't. >   : This is how Andrew spins here, knocking down one issue and: ignoring the real issue at hand.  Here he focusses on the ; scaleability aspect that wasn't actually mentioned by eBay  : in the quoted paragraph, ignored the availability aspect, ; which is what was at issue and was given as the reason for   the change.   7 What we can gather from eBay's statements is that they  : continue to have availability problems with their back-end< database servers (which are all Sun/Oracle, I believe), and ? they are trying yet something else to improve this sorry state  @ of affairs.  You'd think that Sun would make sure that they are B a shining example of availability since the embarrassing failures A of the past, but apparently they've been unable to do this, even  > after much talk about how Sun engineers were working with eBay to improve the situation.   : Of course, we can't _prove_ that Sun HW/SW has anything to9 do with this (not surprising with Sun's history of having = customers sign NDAs in order to get service), but there sure  6 are more and more indications that Sun reliability is @ questionable.  And, it's not just people in comp.os.vms who say = this.  I redirect everyone's attention to the recent Gartner   statements reported here:   P http://x63.deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=686121920&CONTEXT=972659765.1119944705&hitnum=0  > Back to the issue of partitioning for scaleability, since this? is all Andrew wants to talk about.  Sure, it's a great thing.   > I wonder if we could get Andrew to admit that Galaxy provides A flexibility in this area that Sun cannot?  Naaah, he's just here    to tear down Compaq and OpenVMS.   >  >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------  + Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:15:48 +0000 (UTC) * From: Osmo Kujala <kujala@kanto.cc.jyu.fi>4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information+ Message-ID: <8tbv64$mt$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>   I All hobbyist licences have UNITS=0 . That means users are not limited by   PAK?   /OK    ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2000 08:26:36 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett) 4 Subject: Re: Educational licenses - more information, Message-ID: <$e$2G+C9gbkT@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  , In article <8tbv64$mt$1@mordred.cc.jyu.fi>, 0     Osmo Kujala <kujala@kanto.cc.jyu.fi> writes:  K > All hobbyist licences have UNITS=0 . That means users are not limited by   > PAK? >   C    That is indeed what that means. I noticed that too. While Compaq H says this is modelled after the Hobbyist program it would appear they'veF restricted the educational license program in this area ( ie it soundsK like they're not including the 0 units "VMS User" license which is included H with the hobbyist program). They have said that the layered product PAKSH in the educational program will not be restricted ( I presume this means: they, like the Hobbyist program, will come with 0 units ).   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:30:32 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) . Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 34002 Message-ID: <39f95615.1538462181@news.newsguy.com>  @ On 25 Oct 2000 14:38:01 GMT, BSD Bob the old greybeard BSD freak* <bobkeys@weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu> wrote:  7 >In comp.sys.dec Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:PH >> The 3000 (not 3100) and 4000 series machines have a known weakness inI >> the front panel  (the shiny metal bit containing the ethernet, consolePC >> connections etc) that can cause ethernet to fail sporadically or C >> completely. Costs about 300 dollars for a replacement from fieldyG >> service. I've seen this fail on three or four machines over the lastdG >> ten years, Some of the ethernet logic is on the cpu board but I have3I >> never seen this fail - just the front panel which does contain a smallM9 >> amount of active components. I'd tend to supsect this.s >eE >I have exactly this same problem on a 3300 machine.  What componentssG >are known to fail?  I see one dip 14 or 16 pin chip on the board under:E >the panel.  Is there more information on this, and is it possible torE >fix it at the chip level (hobby machine that cost me 10 bucks is notr >worth a DEC 300 buck panel).-  D I don't kow what specific component fails. Only that it is contained@ in the front face plate which more or less just unclips from the? chassis and is attached by ribbon cable. Old DEC used equipmentRD dealers can supply them for next to nothing. Try Open Integration in> the UK (www.openint.co.uk) if stuck as they supplied me one atC shipping cost once to replace one on an old microVAX which they had?! supplied but was out of warranty.?  E I too would be interested to know if you were able to fix rather than? replace the panel.  D The Compaq list price might be even less than I thought as the totalC cost to replace this part on a machine not under a service contract F was actually the minimum call out charge - I just checked the invoice.   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:57:04 -0400r) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net  Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL9 Message-ID: <39f96dd7$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>I  2 In <8ta0jo$uj$1@info.service.rug.nl>, on 10/26/00 :    at 07:27 PM, helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) said:  D If I remember correctly this is a very old lexical function which isI deliberately depreciating.  Documentation is removed, but the function is G left in place as is so existing production code doesn't break at clientl/ sites.  New modules are supposed to use trnlog.e   Roland  	 >Lexicalse' >  Sorry, no documentation on LEX F$LOGE   >$ wso := write sys$output >$ wso f$logical("disk$user")e >_GLADIA$DKA200: >$ wso f$trnlnm("disk$user") >GLADIA$DKA200:h  J >Since it is apparently an undocumented feature, can someone give me some  >history on F$LOGICAL?  I >The difference above also prompts me to ask for a brief, understandable rG >summary as to when and why underscores appear in various device names.d  + >Are there any other undocumented logicals?-  + >Why was F$LOGICAL "replaced" with F$TRNLNM-   -- -; -----------------------------------------------------------oD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:59:59 -0400g) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net- Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL9 Message-ID: <39f96eae$3$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   , In <39F8916B.7D7F362C@iee.org>, on 10/26/00 ;    at 09:17 PM, "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> said:A  + Which compilers do you have on your system?k  J If you have BASIC you can use the LIB command to extract header files fromD the Basic library found in Sys$library.  Starlet is a good module toG extract.  Then pick and choose the others as you see fit.  They contains+ function prototypes and breif descriptions..   Roland   >Phillip Helbig wrote:K >> Since it is apparently an undocumented feature, can someone give me somea >> history on F$LOGICAL?  H >It's in the Obsolete Features manual (or at least it was in the one for >VMS V5.0 ...)  J >It went the way of the Dodo round about V4 when the logical name servicesD >were rewritten to provide greater flexibility. When SYS$TRNLOG (andE >friend(s)?) was (were) obsoleted, F$LOGICAL's days were numbered. IttG >hadn't made it to the Obsolete Features manual by VMS V5.0 but I don'tdE >know whether that was a documentation ovesight or not. Obviously thec* >feature still works, as you would expect.  J >> The difference above also prompts me to ask for a brief, understandableI >> summary as to when and why underscores appear in various device names.n  I >The leading underscore originally meant "do not translate" so if you fed:F >"_FOO" to SYS$TRNLOG you would get back "FOO" (the initial underscoreH >gets dropped but no actual translation happens). This could be handy ifH >you really wanted DRA0 to mean DRA0 ... feed a program "_DRA0" and even& >if there was a logical as a result of >	$ DEFINE DRA0 somewhere-sillyr9 >the program got fed from (or wrote to) DRA0 rather than   >somewhere-silly.f  8 >This "feature" was really a work-around for the missing: >functionality in logical names before V4. The new logical( >name services and structure fixed that.  - >> Are there any other undocumented logicals?p  8 >Lots. I used to have a list. SHOW$DEBUG and FAL$LOG andH >maybe NML$LOG spring to mind. There are at least half a dozen more that. >someone will chip in with real soon I expect.    - >> Why was F$LOGICAL "replaced" with F$TRNLNMa  H >F$TRNLNM superseded F$LOGICAL: it provided greater functionality. HenceG >there was no need to continue to provide users with the opportunity toiJ >stumble across F$LOGICAL so it vanished from the docs. It is still there, >however, just like SYS$GETCHNA >and others from as far back as V2 (i.e. very early 1980s or so).t   >Antonio     --  ; -----------------------------------------------------------lD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:41:47 -0400a- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>: Subject: Re: Fortune cookies?d/ Message-ID: <svj521o3d4ga46@corp.supernews.com>"  - "Paul Sture" <paul@sture.ch> wrote in messagee% news:VA.00000125.13613151@sture.ch...l? > In article <01JSBAODBLXE002B0K@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>,  wrote:  > ...,D > Look at that. 1978, and it still runs on VAX/VMS 7.2! I'll clearly have to dig outr, > VEST to get it running on an Alpha :-) :-) > ...i  C No need for VEST. That looks like it is from the same time frame asaE the one I have the source for here. That particular cookie is also indA my COOKIE.DAT. I modified the .FOR code in 89 to add the PRW$COOKc- logical to the file name. Runs fine on n AXP.u    9 COOKIE.COM;1               1/9        Apr 23, 85 10:36 am 9 COOKIE.DAT;1             156/162      Oct 24, 80 11:12 pmo9 COOKIE.EXE;2               9/9        Jul 17, 00  3:06 pme9 COOKIE.FOR;1               3/9        Sep 11, 89 10:57 amr9 COOKIE.OBJ;1               8/9        Jul 17, 00  3:06 pmi8 COOKIE.TXT;1              74/81       Aug 24, 81  1:07 p     $ ty cookie.for3         program fortune_cookie cc c   Print a fortune cookie cm         implicit complex (a-z) c  c   Routines usedlB         external        sys$numtim      ! Get system time (numeric format)p cu c   Local storage 5         character*124   cookie          ! The cookie.)@         integer         i               ! Pointer for blank scan:         integer*4       nc              ! Number of CrumbsF         integer*4       num             ! Number of cookie of interest;         integer*4       number          ! Number of cookieso<         integer*2       time(7)         ! System time vector0         integer*2       hour,minute,second,centi7         equivalence     (hour,time(4)),(minute,time(5)) 8         equivalence     (second,time(6)),(centi,time(7)) co	 c   Startg cc;         open (unit=1,name='PRW$COOK:COOKIE.DAT',type='old', 3         1   access='direct',readonly,recordsize=32)c   c   How many cookies?h         read (1'1) numbery   c   Read a random cookie9         call sys$numtim(time,)          ! Get system time-?         num = hour*60+minute            ! Note num is integer*4e9         num = 1+mod((num*60+second)*10+(centi/10),number)t          read (1'1+num) nc,cookie, d       type *,'Cookie ',num,'of',number,':'           if (nc.gt.80) then           i = 80           do while (i.gt.0) +             if (cookie(i:i).eq.' ') goto 30i             i = i-1.           enddoh  30        type 9001,cookie(:i-1)"           type 9001,cookie(i+1:nc)         else           type 9001,cookie(:nc)i
         endif    9001    format (x,a)         end/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:14:14 +0200 2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender)( Subject: Re: Help with VMS 5_5_2 and GCC; Message-ID: <39f9a9d6.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>l   sms@antinode.org wrote:: :    ditt7@my-deja.com:e? : >   I'm working on an old vaxstation with OS VMS 5.52.  [...]e :t@ :    I don't know what your license situation is, but DEC C V6.0: : (distributed on the Hobbyist CD-ROM) works on (I quote):E :       o  OpenVMS VAX Operating System, Version 5.2-2 to Version 7.2A  E With the big BUT in that it needs the backport library for VMS pre-V6 2 (which must then be distributed with the program).   cu,r   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de N One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:34:33 GMT4% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>: Subject: Re: license problemsa) Message-ID: <8tb7lp$v67$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   5 In article <39f8548c.173275867@news.telusplanet.net>,n:   trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) wrote: > Uh, how about: >  > stop process /id=PID?l  7 Well, that command happens to work, but is not correct. 
 It is either:t   -  $ STOP PROCESS process_name or -  $ STOP /IDENTIFICATION=pid    --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:16:51 +0200d2 From: martin@radiogaga.harz.de (Martin Vorlaender) Subject: Re: license problemso; Message-ID: <39f9aa73.524144494f47414741@radiogaga.harz.de>s  & Uwe Zessin (zessin@my-deja.com) wrote:: : trevor.osatchuk@nospam.pscl.com (Trevor Osatchuk) wrote: : > Uh, how about: : >  : > stop process /id=PID?w :d9 : Well, that command happens to work, but is not correct.l : It is either:f    : -  $ STOP PROCESS process_name : or : -  $ STOP /IDENTIFICATION=pidb   Nope for the first case. It'si  <   $ STOP process_name  ! only works if you have the same GID   cu,l   Martin --J One OS to rule them all       | Martin Vorlaender  |  VMS & WNT programmer7 One OS to find them           | work: mv@pdv-systeme.denN One OS to bring them all      |       http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/> And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin@radiogaga.harz.de   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:25:52 +0100n- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>  Subject: Re: license problems@) Message-ID: <39F9AC90.1D187976@bbc.co.uk>a   Rob Brown wrote:  5 > Hoff Hoffman (hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam) wrote:( >bI > :   Please don't cross-post questions both here and over in the OpenVMS6# > :   Ask The Wizard area.  Thanks!  > J > Off topic, but this leads me to ask:  Is that a picture of you, Hoff, on > the Ask The Wizard web page? >e  7 He wouldn't admit it when I asked a year or so back :-)t  > That guy looks like he will need a chirporactor in later life.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those oft MedAS or the BBC.p   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:11:54 -0400e- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca> 0 Subject: Re: Memo:  Compaq Analyse -  Withdrawn?/ Message-ID: <svj6qgmam80375@corp.supernews.com>u  4 "Carl Perkins" <carl@gerg.tamu.edu> wrote in message' news:26OCT200010062292@gerg.tamu.edu...n+ > paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au writes...e   >...  >  avoid CA like you would AIDS. > ... D > It would appear that you have mistaken the "CA" in the body of hisF > message for the wrong "CA". He is talking about "Compaq Analyze" (or >...  C I would agree with this line from Paddy's statement on CA no mattern which CA he was talking about.  D Are there any people outside of Compaq actually using Compaq Analyze@ at their site? Ever since it displayed a test message out of theE example database to me in the middle of a report on the live system Io have refused to use it.c   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:26:55 +0100d, From: Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com> Subject: Memo:  Museum piece? Message-ID: <80256985.0033D6F8.00@emea-smtp-03.systems.uk.hsbc>e  C I have finally retired a MicroVAX II  with serial number AY00000004 C from production. It deserves some better end than the local crusher E after 15 years of solid service. Any one know where venerable old MVsaD go to die? How about a museum? (This one qualifies. We even have theD original docs that were shipped with it). BTW we used to have serial? numbers 1-3 also but some bozo sent them to the crusher so thisu@ remains the oldest MV out of Ayr in existence. Any suggestions ? Thanks        D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, pleaseeB  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.m  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure orhA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, >  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context ofe?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.r  nD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office :=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly  A  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so 83  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.e  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 13:16:19 GMT1 From: bill@triangle.cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon)   Subject: Re: Memo:  Museum piece+ Message-ID: <8tbv73$o8l$1@info.cs.uofs.edu>@  ? In article <80256985.0033D6F8.00@emea-smtp-03.systems.uk.hsbc>, /  Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com> writes:  |> l |> bF |> I have finally retired a MicroVAX II  with serial number AY00000004F |> from production. It deserves some better end than the local crusherH |> after 15 years of solid service. Any one know where venerable old MVsG |> go to die? How about a museum? (This one qualifies. We even have theoG |> original docs that were shipped with it). BTW we used to have serialiB |> numbers 1-3 also but some bozo sent them to the crusher so thisC |> remains the oldest MV out of Ayr in existence. Any suggestions ?   > I don't know where they go to die, but they come here to live.; They're not even as old as me and I'm not dead yet either!!2     bill   -- 3J Bill Gunshannon          |  de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n.  Three wolvesD bill@cs.scranton.edu     |  and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton   |A Scranton, Pennsylvania   |         #include <std.disclaimer.h>   .   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:23:07 +0100P- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>e  Subject: Re: Memo:  Museum piece( Message-ID: <39F9ABEA.2A1A7DE@bbc.co.uk>   Paul BEAUDOIN wrote:  E > I have finally retired a MicroVAX II  with serial number AY00000004 E > from production. It deserves some better end than the local crusher>G > after 15 years of solid service. Any one know where venerable old MVs>F > go to die? How about a museum? (This one qualifies. We even have theF > original docs that were shipped with it). BTW we used to have serialA > numbers 1-3 also but some bozo sent them to the crusher so this B > remains the oldest MV out of Ayr in existence. Any suggestions ? > Thanks >n  D Paul, interesting, I dunno what number the BA23 model I cut my teethG on was, it was quite an early one. The fact that its been in productiont6 for that long is a great testament to the MicroVAX II.  A Please do tell us you have ported to VMS on alpha, not some fancyp: new platform. Otherwise I might have to change my bank ...   Regardso  -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukw  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those ofn MedAS or the BBC.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:44:00 +0100o, From: Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com>% Subject: Memo:  Re: INFO-VAX 2000.600.? Message-ID: <80256985.003567DA.00@emea-smtp-03.systems.uk.hsbc>e  ? I am not so much concerned with the extra functionality that CAcE (Compaq Analyse) provides as I am with the missing ANAL/ERR function. F This (as near as I can tell) has always been a part of VMS and a basicF tool supporting good system management practices. Without this abilityE (as being suggested by Compaq), each time we get a device error, they.A will have to analyse it with the now internal only tool. Not very F bright. We don't want to extend each incident from minuets to hours orD even days and I don't suppose Compaq want 5-10 or more calls per day@ that can be avoided.  Either I have this story horribly wrong orC someone somewhere is making a horrible mistake. Any words of wisdomi most gratefully received.r  D PS You may be happy that the spell checker fixed Analyze and changedE it to Analyse (the official title) Being Canadian allows us to accepti1 either British or American in equal measure :-)..$      D ********************************************************************B  This message and any attachments are confidential to the ordinaryB  user of the e-mail address to which it was addressed and may also>  be privileged. If you are not the addressee you may not copy,8  forward, disclose or use any part of the message or itsC  attachments and if you have received this message in error, please-B  notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete it from
  your system.o  =  Internet communications cannot be guaranteed to be secure orrA  error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost,u>  arrive late or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not?  accept liability for any errors or omissions in the context of0?  this message which arise as a result of Internet transmission.c  RD  Any opinions contained in this message are those of the author and ?  are not given or endorsed by the HSBC Group company or office M=  through which this message is sent unless otherwise clearly rA  indicated in this message and the authority of the author to so  3  bind the HSBC entity referred to is duly verified.i  D ********************************************************************   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 10:56 CSTi' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins) ) Subject: Re: Memo:  Re: INFO-VAX 2000.600i- Message-ID: <27OCT200010564289@gerg.tamu.edu>m  0 Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com> writes...@ >I am not so much concerned with the extra functionality that CAF >(Compaq Analyse) provides as I am with the missing ANAL/ERR function.G >This (as near as I can tell) has always been a part of VMS and a basic G >tool supporting good system management practices. Without this ability F >(as being suggested by Compaq), each time we get a device error, theyB >will have to analyse it with the now internal only tool. Not veryG >bright. We don't want to extend each incident from minuets to hours or>E >even days and I don't suppose Compaq want 5-10 or more calls per dayeA >that can be avoided.  Either I have this story horribly wrong oreD >someone somewhere is making a horrible mistake. Any words of wisdom >most gratefully received.  F I think that the words of wisdom that you'd find from most people here5 is that they are, in deed, making a horrible mistake.d  A As the absolute minimum, the error analysis tool should match the A functionality that ANA/ERROR has always given, and it should comeo= with VMS for free at that level. It is fine if they *add* anytB functionality they want, and charge for the license or only supplyB it with a service contract - but only for functionality above whatB ANA/ERROR has always given. Providing less error analysis with theA base VMS licensing than what ANA/ERROR gave is just plain stupid.i   --- Carl   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2000 08:12:39 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)n* Subject: Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS+ Message-ID: <ezYPrLKB+Gyv@eisner.decus.org>L  O In article <39F8CAA5.F12DCBEF@isd.net>, Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> writes:  > I > Having just tried the latest release of the VNC viewer on VMS I have tod2 > say GREAT JOB to Hunter Goatley and David North. >   > Everyone should give it a try.  D Certainly that is unlikely if proponents such as yourself decline toF mention in the newsgroup what it does.  I for one am unlikely to chase. URLs for something whose purpose is not clear.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:25:20 +0100 $ From: Andy Burns <andy@burns.uk.net>* Subject: Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS8 Message-ID: <jbpivsgnavqseo5tb3b8um6h8oqspdarnh@4ax.com>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:  E >Certainly that is unlikely if proponents such as yourself decline to:( >mention in the newsgroup what it does.   J VNC allows remote clients to view graphical sessions on remote servers, itF is cross platform (with regard to servers and clients) and requires noG client state to be stored, so sessions can be dropped from a client andtJ picked up later or in a different location where they left off by the same or another client ....     -- .
 Andy Burns   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:32:04 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-)y* Subject: Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS0 Message-ID: <009F2381.3B353E9E@SendSpamHere.ORG>  g In article <ezYPrLKB+Gyv@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes: P >In article <39F8CAA5.F12DCBEF@isd.net>, Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> writes: >> :J >> Having just tried the latest release of the VNC viewer on VMS I have to3 >> say GREAT JOB to Hunter Goatley and David North.O >> T! >> Everyone should give it a try.4 >1E >Certainly that is unlikely if proponents such as yourself decline to G >mention in the newsgroup what it does.  I for one am unlikely to chasen/ >URLs for something whose purpose is not clear.   F I have to agree with you Larry on this point.  Too many posts hit thisG newsgroup asking if "SuperWuznot" or "HyperWizbang" is available for or F has been ported to VMS without ever explaining what these packages do.G In many cases, there may be applications and/or packages available thatoG will perform the same or very similar function but are known in the VMS  space by other names.e  F I would like to request that folks posting here looking for some soft-G ware well known in the unix or PeeCee realm explain the function of them package(s) they seek.e   --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM=            KO city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:01:58 GMTe- From: goathunter@goatley.com (Hunter Goatley) * Subject: Re: Nice job - porting VNC to VMS/ Message-ID: <39f9b457.6576216@swen.process.com>   @ On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:32:04 GMT, system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) wrote:e  h >In article <ezYPrLKB+Gyv@eisner.decus.org>, Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) writes:Q >>In article <39F8CAA5.F12DCBEF@isd.net>, Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net> writes:  >>> K >>> Having just tried the latest release of the VNC viewer on VMS I have to 4 >>> say GREAT JOB to Hunter Goatley and David North.   Thanks!,   >>> " >>> Everyone should give it a try. >>F >>Certainly that is unlikely if proponents such as yourself decline toH >>mention in the newsgroup what it does.  I for one am unlikely to chase0 >>URLs for something whose purpose is not clear. >lG >I have to agree with you Larry on this point.  Too many posts hit this H >newsgroup asking if "SuperWuznot" or "HyperWizbang" is available for orG >has been ported to VMS without ever explaining what these packages do.tH >In many cases, there may be applications and/or packages available thatH >will perform the same or very similar function but are known in the VMS >space by other names. > C Another way to describe this is CONTRL or SUPERVISE or PEEK/SPY for E watching a PC or UNIX system under DECwindows.  You get a window thatgF is a replica of the PC or UNIX screen, and can control that PC or UNIZE system from that window.  For example, I'm typing this via VNC Viewer/> to my W2K laptop running Forte Free Agent news reader---my VMS= keyboard, mouse, and monitor are my input and output devices.:   Hunter ------9 Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/l: goathunter@goatley.com      http://www.goatley.com/hunter/   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:40:02 +0100c& From: Roy Omond <Roy.Omond@Compaq.com> Subject: Re: open an Imac?* Message-ID: <39F977A2.F984BAE2@Compaq.com>   Paul Anderson wrote:  7 > In article <39F888A8.41855C71@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei ' > <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:e >nE > > The G4s on the other hand, are designed to be opened VERY easily,-H > > and I have to admit, it is one of the best designed "tower" cabinets > > I have seenh >.E > Yes!  Not since the VAXstation 4000 have I been so impressed with afJ > cabinet design.  I recently added memory to my Power Mac G3 in less than > twenty seconds.r  4 Same time to add memory to an iMac (ca. 20 seconds)." (at least that's what it took me).      	 Roy Omond  Blue Bubble Ltd.- (certainly not squeaking on behalf of Compaq)i   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:18:26 GMTF- From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu>  Subject: Re: open an Imac?( Message-ID: <39F97290.7763E09B@ohio.edu>  P Are those screws "proprietary Phillips" or are they torx, like the original Mac?  #                                 RDP      JF Mezei wrote:d  $ > Shane.F.Smith@Healthnet.com wrote: > >p6 > > Might I suggest a sledgehammer, or a chainsaw? ;-) >i% > Now now... show a bit of respect...e > N > If you're a good surgeon, there is a trap door underneath the unit that giveO > you access to the motherboard, but you need fine instruments since it isn't a-E > very big trap door. (designed to give you access to the RAM strips.n >oI > Alternatively, you could obtain a proprietary Phillips screwdriver (HassL > phillips ever made screwdrivers ?????) and unscrew the bottom of the Imac.L > Once the bottom is removed, you should have access to more phillips screws3 > that will allow you to remove the coloured cover.  >iP > Of course, you do realise that it is sacrilege to open an imac, and you shouldL > be ready to be excommunicated from Apple's religion and possibly stoned toS > death if you do this, especially if you do it with a sledgehammer or chainsaw :-)o >.N > The G4s on the other hand, are designed to be opened VERY easily, and I haveH > to admit, it is one of the best designed "tower" cabinets I have seen.   --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:13:12 -0200a) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brw- Subject: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NTtL Message-ID: <OF09CA6482.FCB92949-ON83256985.0063F0EA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H This product  looks like commited to the SAN estrategy  of Compaq, but I didnt find it related  in the SAN homepage ! Did you ?n  9 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/OPENVMSD/t   Regards,   FC   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:42:52 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)o+ Subject: Re: OpenVMS Technical Resource Kit-2 Message-ID: <39f95be1.1539946616@news.newsguy.com>  E On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 10:21:25 +0200, "Kris G.G. Clippeleyr (aka Qkcl)"m <kesu@xs4all.be> wrote:6   >Hi, >8E >Any idea how to acquire this kit in Europe (I'm located in Belgium). F >When I tried to order the TRK via the Compaq web-site, the order formG >refused my address (we do not have the notion of "states" in Europe ase >they have in the US).L >I mailed the webmaster about this a week or two ago I guess; but as to date >I didn't receive a reply yet. >So any pointers are welcome.e  + Just give the part number to a local CompaqtB distributor/channel/partner/VAR/whatevertheycallthemtoday and they! should be able to get hold of it.      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:48:34 -0400t, From: Andre Menard <menarda@scdsb.edu.on.ca> Subject: Oracle iASr/ Message-ID: <39F995C2.7E149E1B@scdsb.edu.on.ca>r  = Last June, Compaq/Oracle issued a press release regarding thed- availability of Oracle products on OpenVMS...s  > (http://www.oracle.com/corporate/press/index.html?228177.html)    C According the the press release, "Oracle 8 iAS" should be available % this fall. Is it still on schedule???o  D Does anyone know if Oracle 9 iAs will also be available on OpenVMS?    Thanks   Andrec -- t% -------------------------------------u Andre Menard Senior Programmer Analystp& Sudbury Catholic District School Board   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:44:55 -0200m) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.bri. Subject: Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbolL Message-ID: <OF43665368.126CFDAF-ON83256985.004052C2@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  : --0__=83256985004052C28f9e8a93df938690918c83256985004052C2* Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii  J I am trying to test a sucess or error condition  of a RMU operation. If OK then set the  variable to TRUE.*% If not, set to FALSE. Just this . . .-   Regards,   Fabio C.              ? Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> em 26/10/2000 22:11:20jL                                                                             L                                                                             L                                                                                 >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com                               >                                                               >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)   >                                                               >                                                               >                                                               >  Assunto: Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol               >                                                                             K The error is reported by RMU it is not a system-related error message.  TheaC $status will always be success even if RMU itself reports an error.-  H What are you trying to do...  there may be another way to accomplish it.   Michael Austin Rdb DBA Consultant    * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  K > I am creating a DCL procedure with  RMU but when I try to get the $statusr > of a RMU operationJ > it shows me "%X10000001"  %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion > 
 > Example: >e* > $ RMU / SHOW USERS no-existent-data-base >kJ > %RMU-W-BADDBNAME, can't find database root DISK1:[directory]NOEXIST.RDB; > -RMS-E-FNF, file not found@ > %RMU-F-FTL_SHOW, Fatal error for SHOW operation at 26-OCT-2000 16:53:05.22- >l > $ status = $status >m > $ write sys$output statuse  : --0__=83256985004052C28f9e8a93df938690918c83256985004052C2( Content-type: application/octet-stream;  	name="maustin.vcf"27 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="maustin.vcf".! Content-transfer-encoding: base64o  L YmVnaW46dmNhcmQgDQpuOkF1c3RpbjtNaWNoYWVsIA0KdGVsO3dvcms6NzA0LTk0Ny0xMDg5DQp4L LW1vemlsbGEtaHRtbDpGQUxTRQ0Kb3JnOk1pY2hhZWwgQXVzdGluLCBJbmMNCmFkcjo7Ozs7OzsNL CnZlcnNpb246Mi4xDQplbWFpbDtpbnRlcm5ldDptaWNoYWVsYXVzdGluaW5jQGhvdG1haWwuY29tL DQp0aXRsZTpQcmVzaWRlbnQNCngtbW96aWxsYS1jcHQ6OzANCmZuOk1pY2hhZWwgRS4gQXVzdGlu DQplbmQ6dmNhcmQNCg0K  < --0__=83256985004052C28f9e8a93df938690918c83256985004052C2--   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:19:47 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) . Subject: Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol2 Message-ID: <39f96272.1541627613@news.newsguy.com>  0 On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 00:11:20 GMT, Michael Austin  <maustin@nc.prestige.net> wrote:  - >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.i' >--------------DE8242DC8DB9BED5C2DA613De+ >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii   >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >wL >The error is reported by RMU it is not a system-related error message.  TheD >$status will always be success even if RMU itself reports an error. >eI >What are you trying to do...  there may be another way to accomplish it.n >t >Michael Austinr >Rdb DBA Consultanto  B Actually I would expect RMU to set $status. What's more DBO sets aF value on failure but not RMU. Also RMU/CLOSE fred sets $status if fredF doesn't exist. I'd say its a bug possibly down to RMU-W-BADDBNAME only being a warning.  
 $ dbo/sho vero, Executing DBO for Oracle CODASYL DBMS V7.0-2
 $ rmu/sho vere# Executing RMU for Oracle Rdb V7.0-3g $ dbo/sho use fubare* %DBO-F-CANTOPNROO, error opening root file "SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]FUBAR.ROO;"c -RMS-E-FNF, file not found $ write sys$output $status
 %X109880E4 $ rmu/sho use fubar** %RMU-W-BADDBNAME, can't find database root SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]FUBAR.RDB;i -RMS-E-FNF, file not found> %RMU-F-FTL_SHOW, Fatal error for SHOW operation at 27-OCT-2000 12:13:12.64t $ write sys$output $status
 %X10000001   BUTo   $ rmu/close fredA %RMU-F-FILACCERR, error opening file SYS$COMMON:[SYSMGR]FRED.RDB;s -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundD %RMU-W-CANTOCDB, Error encountered while opening or closing database	 file FRED  $ write sys$output $status
 %X12C8C3A8 $e     --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:51:53 -0400 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>. Subject: Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symbol* Message-ID: <39F9B2A9.BAAD4258@oracle.com>  , I'm afraid that RMU doesn't follow the rules+ very well when setting $STATUS as it exits.h1 This is one example of where it can be a problem.b- So that this doesn't fall through the cracks,w. please contact Oracle Rdb support and submit a. suggestion BUG report and someone will take a  look into this.t   	thanksn( 	norm lastovica / oracle rdb engineering  * fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > L > I am trying to test a sucess or error condition  of a RMU operation. If OK! > then set the  variable to TRUE.a' > If not, set to FALSE. Just this . . .: > 
 > Regards, > 
 > Fabio C. > A > Michael Austin <maustin@nc.prestige.net> em 26/10/2000 22:11:20n >  >  >  >  >  >  > ! >  Para:    Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Coma > = >  cc:      (bcc: Fabio dos Santos Cardoso/E-P-BC/Contratada)  >  >  > 1 >  Assunto: Re: Oracle RDB RMU and $status symboll >  > M > The error is reported by RMU it is not a system-related error message.  The.E > $status will always be success even if RMU itself reports an error.e > J > What are you trying to do...  there may be another way to accomplish it. >  > Michael Austin > Rdb DBA Consultant > , > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote: > M > > I am creating a DCL procedure with  RMU but when I try to get the $statusd > > of a RMU operationL > > it shows me "%X10000001"  %SYSTEM-S-NORMAL, normal successful completion > >o > > Example: > >t, > > $ RMU / SHOW USERS no-existent-data-base > >mL > > %RMU-W-BADDBNAME, can't find database root DISK1:[directory]NOEXIST.RDB; > > -RMS-E-FNF, file not foundB > > %RMU-F-FTL_SHOW, Fatal error for SHOW operation at 26-OCT-2000
 > 16:53:05.22R > >a > > $ status = $status > >m > > $ write sys$output statuse   --  < norm lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685% reply to: norman.lastovica@oracle.comt   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:10:19 +0200 . From: "I.A. Saez" <"i.a.saez.<secret>"@tue.nl>F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server& Message-ID: <39F91C4B.ECB2555E@tue.nl>   Malcolm,  H We have the same problem with Oracle 7.3.4.4 on OpenVMS 7.1. We have now a mixaE of MTS and dedicated connections. Dedicated for long running apps andKF MTS for short connections. Oracle did investigate the problem and toldD me it still exists in 8.1.6 for OpenVMS. Oracle 7.3.3.6 was the last5 real VMS version (probably made by VMS especialists).R      See (some) of ther tar:      27-SEP-00 12:35:39o        27-SEP-00 13:24:41   8  To reproduce the slow MTS performance (for development),  - The following patches are installed here:E  686524-(Base BUG#544858) ORA-602 RUNNING PRO*C WITH TO_DATE AND BIND   VARIABLES. B  1055554-(Base BUG#553138) ORA-12612 ON W95 CLIENTS AFTER APPLYING  520734(430972.BE  1218450-(Base BUG#845454) ORA-1403 REFERRING TO CERTAIN PL/SQL TABLEe
  ELEMENTS./  1326425- ORA-1013 when sqlnet.expire_time > 0.r%  1309610-(Base BUG#1021962) MTS SLOW.s4  1326725- Listener/Dispatchers consumes Buffered IO.B  - Used the following MTS parameters in V7.3.4.4 INIT.ORA (OTS14):      27-SEP-00 14:19:34o    mts_listener_address =s2 "(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=1521))"8  MTS_DISPATCHERS="(ADDRESS=(PARTIAL=TRUE)(PROTOCOL=TCP)\*  (HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=5000))(DISPATCHERS=1)"8  MTS_DISPATCHERS="(ADDRESS=(PARTIAL=TRUE)(PROTOCOL=TCP)\*  (HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=5001))(DISPATCHERS=1)"  mts_servers = 2  mts_service = ots14@  - Restart the instance --> will register the dispatchers at the listener'  - Now within the database using SCOTT:RC  - Create a BIGEMP table from EMP with a large number of rows in itS=  (I used BIGEMP with 458752 rows) ---> BIGEMP.DMP export filegH  - Create two connect aliases, one for MTS (OTS14) and one for DEDICATED server  (OTS14D) :t  ots14.world =  (DESCRIPTION =>  (ADDRESS_LIST =  (ADDRESS =t  (PROTOCOL = TCP)e  (Host = nlvms2)  (Port = 1521)  )  )  (CONNECT_DATA =  (SID = ots14)  (GLOBAL_NAME = ots14.world)  )  )  ots14d.world =y  (DESCRIPTION =y  (ADDRESS_LIST =  (ADDRESS =   (PROTOCOL = TCP)c  (Host = nlvms2)  (Port = 1521)  )  )  (CONNECT_DATA =  (SID = ots14)  (GLOBAL_NAME = ots14.world)  (SERVER = DEDICATED)r  )  ),  - Create the following test script TEST.SQL1  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual;u  set termout off;a)  select * from bigemp where ename='KING';o  set termout on;1  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual;t
  spool a.a  select count(*) from bigemp;a  spool off; 1  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual;a  exitn(  - and reproduce the problem as follows:2  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots14d --> dedicated server  SQL> @testf  14:08:16 --> start time,  14:08:55 --> end of query with where clause  count(*) --> 458752  14:09:11 --> end timeG  Total elapsed time : 39 seconds for the first part, 16 seconds for the  second  Now with MTS:.  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots14 --> shared server  SQL> @test   14:12:15 --> start time,  14:18:12 --> end of query with where clause  count(*) --> 458752  14:18:29 --> end timeE  Total elapsed time : 357 (!!) seconds for the first part, 17 secondsf for the6:  second part, a huge difference with DEDICATED connection.      27-SEP-00 15:47:41B    .A  Tested with V8.1.6.0 on OpenVMS (same configuration, same data):r:  The following patches are installed on this installation:A  patch#1335503 - ORA-1013 on queries when sqlnet.expire_time > 0. 4  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots16d ----> dedicated server  SQL> @testt  15:39:41 --> start time,  15:40:16 --> end of query with where clause  count(*) --> 458752  15:40:29 --> end timeG  Total elapsed time : 35 seconds for the first part, 13 seconds for the   second part  Now with MTS:0  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots16 ----> shared server  SQL> @testm  15:45:26 --> start time,  15:47:34 --> end of query with where clause  count(*) --> 458752  15:47:47 --> end timeH  Total elapsed time : 128 seconds for the first part, 13 seconds for the  second partC  Conclusion: MTS with V816 is better performing than with V7344 butt elapseda6  time differs a lot from dedicated server connections..  Above needs to be transferred to development.      27-SEP-00 17:06:13o  C  Advised customer to not use MTS where elapsed time is impacted andd databaseH  links are accessed. Customer will setup prespawned server (although notF  error free) this evening. AGreed on assisting in tuning such prespawn  environment when needed...       27-SEP-00 17:33:19h        04-OCT-00 12:47:50m  B  Awaiting the results of the case as distributed to development...      12-OCT-00 13:02:28e  @  Problem is reproduced by development and under investigation...      13-OCT-00 15:06:49y     Discussed status with customer:H  - Problem is under control as a mix is made with both MTS and dedicated/  (for the long running jobs) server connections F  - Explained that I do not expect a solution on short term based on myD  contacts with development. As the problem also reproduces with V816F  I expect the problem to be fixed in a future release (and if possible  wil be backported)tH  - Customer stated that a move will be made to Unix within the next half year  === Agreed ===-F  We decided to close the problem for now as a 'working' environment is setup C  now. Will update this TAR with the 'internal' developments on thiso
 matter and=  therefore leave status at 14 'Partner (=development) Action'M        
 Kind regards,w  	 Ivan Saezr i.a.saez.scheihing@tue.nl    Malcolm Dunnett wrote:       > < >   I'm running Oracle 8.1.6 on a VMS 7.2 system. I've tried> > setting up the MultiThreaded server on this system. It works< > but the performance with my programs is terrible ( queriesF > that take 1 second with a dedicated server process might take 5 or 6< > with the Multithreaded server, for example ) [ ie all I do@ > to get the performance difference is change the client connect> > to include a "SERVER=DEDICATED" parameter]. The programs are< > written using Oracle7 OCI calls, they fetch single rows of< > data at a time from the database - I realize they could be@ > more efficient using array fetch, but it's never been an issue" > with dedicated server processes. > B >   I realize this is a pretty broad question without more detail,A > but does anyone have similar experiences ( or alternately, good B > experiences with the MTS on a VMS system ). Any ideas if there's) > anything I could do to make MTS useful?e > O > =============================================================================rO > Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.carJ > Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2000 08:38:10 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)tF Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server, Message-ID: <OeHGe5r6$P7C@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  ' In article <39F91C4B.ECB2555E@tue.nl>, e5      "I.A. Saez" <"i.a.saez.<secret>"@tue.nl> writes:b > J > We have the same problem with Oracle 7.3.4.4 on OpenVMS 7.1. We have now > a mix=G > of MTS and dedicated connections. Dedicated for long running apps andiH > MTS for short connections. Oracle did investigate the problem and toldF > me it still exists in 8.1.6 for OpenVMS. Oracle 7.3.3.6 was the last7 > real VMS version (probably made by VMS especialists).0 >  >  >  See (some) of ther tar: >   <snip>   $   [Comments from quoted Oracle tar:]  H >  - Explained that I do not expect a solution on short term based on myF >  contacts with development. As the problem also reproduces with V816H >  I expect the problem to be fixed in a future release (and if possible >  wil be backported)aJ >  - Customer stated that a move will be made to Unix within the next half > year  G    It would seem then that it's not just me. It appears Oracle is awareGF of the problem and isn't in any hurry to fix it. I guess the answer is just to not use MTS.  J    The comment about moving to Unix suggests that perhaps Oracle sees thisI as the real solution and so they're not too interested in pursuing this?    M =============================================================================CM Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: dunnett@mala.bc.caoH Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: (250)755-8738   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:36:30 GMT  From: jbecker@ui.urban.org Subject: PHP for VMS?g) Message-ID: <8tc7du$ojq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  F A request has landed in my lap for setting up PHP on VMS (6.2, Alpha).  ? ("PHP is a server-side, cross-platform, HTML embedded scripting-5 language." It's open-source, apparently all in C. Seer' http://www.php.net/ if you're curious.)>  E AltaVista and Deja searches turned up a couple of vague references to F PHP having been ported to VMS, but that's it. I have the tar file fullB of source, but the makefiles are heavily Unix-oriented. However, IB suspect this is more like a porting effort than simply a matter ofE getting the right makefile, but admittedly I say this based only on a G quick skim. BTW, we're using the HTTPD server from the VMS Freeware CD.n  F I'm wondering if someone has already been down this path and can offer some good tips.   F The context, FYI, is that a few of our web developers have a couple ofA applications that touch data housed on VMS and non-VMS platforms.mE They're already using PHP on NT (for data access), and they'd like toMG be able to reuse some of that for the VMS side. All is not lost if they2E don't get PHP for VMS, but they're hoping it can be made available in3 time for an upcoming project.e   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)r7 Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)a    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:21:32 GMT>& From: "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: PHP for VMS? 5 Message-ID: <gYhK5.359$rm4.8295@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>   I So I suppose you've been to php.net, and have searched through there, and  their mailing lists?   Marco   K <jbecker@ui.urban.org> wrote in message news:8tc7du$ojq$1@nnrp1.deja.com... H > A request has landed in my lap for setting up PHP on VMS (6.2, Alpha). > A > ("PHP is a server-side, cross-platform, HTML embedded scriptingr7 > language." It's open-source, apparently all in C. See ) > http://www.php.net/ if you're curious.)  > G > AltaVista and Deja searches turned up a couple of vague references toaH > PHP having been ported to VMS, but that's it. I have the tar file fullD > of source, but the makefiles are heavily Unix-oriented. However, ID > suspect this is more like a porting effort than simply a matter ofG > getting the right makefile, but admittedly I say this based only on a I > quick skim. BTW, we're using the HTTPD server from the VMS Freeware CD.  >RH > I'm wondering if someone has already been down this path and can offer > some good tips.U >sH > The context, FYI, is that a few of our web developers have a couple ofC > applications that touch data housed on VMS and non-VMS platforms.aG > They're already using PHP on NT (for data access), and they'd like torI > be able to reuse some of that for the VMS side. All is not lost if theysG > don't get PHP for VMS, but they're hoping it can be made available in  > time for an upcoming project.E >n > -- > Jim Becker- > The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/)o9 > Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)u >  >R( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:58:37 GMT  From: jbecker@ui.urban.org Subject: Re: PHP for VMS?0) Message-ID: <8tcc7p$t8b$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m  5 In article <gYhK5.359$rm4.8295@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>,;)   "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote:eG > So I suppose you've been to php.net, and have searched through there,m and0 > their mailing lists?  C Yes. Searches at that site for "VMS" and "OpenVMS" came up empty. I D also tried browsing around for VMS references and found none. That's* when I went looking in AltaVista and Deja.   --
 Jim Becker+ The Urban Institute (http://www.urban.org/) 7 Encompass ESILUG (http://eisner.decus.org/lugs/esilug/)2    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.0   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:38:07 +0100l) From: Ray Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie>3* Subject: Print drivers for OKI printers???J Message-ID: <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB2C15@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>   All,  B I can currentlly print barcodes on an OKI 3320 printer from my VMSB system.  If I send the exact same output to an OKI Page 10i (laserE printer) , it does not print the barcodes, but everything else is OK.o  E I have spoke to OKI, but they are unable to help me.  Do I need printvG drivers for the OKI Page 10i or does anybody else know why this printere will not print the barcodes.     Thanks in advance....s   Regards,  
 Ray Phelan CORE Computer Consultants Ltd.,o 23 Upper Cork Street,r
 Mitchelstown,a Co. Cork, Ireland.   Phone :   353 - 25 - 84678 Fax     :   353 - 25 - 84016! E-mail  :  ray.phelan@core-com.ien   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:23:35 -0400 0 From: Paul Anderson <paul.r.anderson@compaq.com>. Subject: Re: Print drivers for OKI printers???C Message-ID: <paul.r.anderson-46C67E.09233527102000@news.compaq.com>S   In article cD <81A01A7F3499D411A1C000508B655FCB2C15@relay-mgr-2-b.indigo.ie>, Ray & Phelan <Ray.Phelan@core-com.ie> wrote:  E > I can currentlly print barcodes on an OKI 3320 printer from my VMS eD > system. If I send the exact same output to an OKI Page 10i (laser G > printer) , it does not print the barcodes, but everything else is OK.m  B It sounds like the 3320 printer has barcode fonts resident in the ( printer, while the 10i printer does not.   Paul   -- E,    Paul Anderson, OpenVMS Engineering (DCPS),    Compaq Computer Corporation, Littleton MA   ------------------------------  ! Date: Fri, 27 Oct 00 07:44:32 GMT  From: jmfbahciv@aol.com:" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?+ Message-ID: <8tbn2c$r90$4@bob.news.rcn.net>a  5 In article <8t9f90$17f$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,D4    fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:3 >In article <39f7f409.1447825132@news.newsguy.com>,s' >Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:eA >: On 25 Oct 2000 21:38:27 GMT, inwap@best.com (Joe Smith) wrote:e >: a6 >: >In article <39f3f412.1185688119@news.newsguy.com>,* >: >Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:F >: >>Were console  front end terminal lines really not supported underH >: >>TOPS-10? That was the normal connection method with TOPS-20. We had8 >: >>128 serial lines on the front end without problems. >: >H >: >They were not supported with the 1091 first came out (version 7.00).H >: >By 7.02, they were supported.  The thing that gave the system a real> >: >workout was a smooth-scrolling VT100 running at 9600 baud. >: aH >: We had quite a number of these connected and I don't recall them ever& >: causing problems under TOPS-20. ... >:G >I remember this quite well.  We had just installed our first DEC-20 in-H >1977 when our DEC salesperson brought a brand-new VT100 to show it off.K >We connected it to a front-end port at 9600 bps, enabled smooth scrolling,aI >TYPE'd a file, and the front end crashed right away because of the flood H >of Xoffs and Xons.  As soon as it came back, it crashed again, etc etc. >rG >A similar incident had occurred previously when one of our programmersiJ >fell asleep on the keyboard of his (non-VT100) terminal, causing the keysJ >to autorepeat.  When we complained to DEC about this vulnerability, theirF >answer was "don't do that".  Similarly for terminals that had a "pageG >transmit" function.  But when their own VT100 became the culprit, theye" >tightened up RSX20F pretty quick.  ? That was lucky.  We lost the knowledge of how to build the damn @ thing three times.  Can't fix or ship anything if you don't know how to make it..   > : >Nevertheless, the front end was very definitely designed  >with only people's E >fingers in mind on the input side.  Even after the fixes, RSX20F was"I >markedly intolerant of large bursts of input.  Which is why the originale: >Kermit protocol enforced a 94-byte maximum packet length.  < Consider the source.  I'm surprised they made 20F do what it? did do.  I still question whether offloading that functionality ; was a good idea.  But then, I also still question the light  elimination.  :-)b   /BAH  ' Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.M   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:10:22 GMTp% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)a" Subject: Re: Q: Why not (2^n)-bit?2 Message-ID: <39f94c2c.1535925093@news.newsguy.com>  A On 26 Oct 2000 14:32:00 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank dah Cruz) wrote:   > G >I remember this quite well.  We had just installed our first DEC-20 in1H >1977 when our DEC salesperson brought a brand-new VT100 to show it off.K >We connected it to a front-end port at 9600 bps, enabled smooth scrolling,LI >TYPE'd a file, and the front end crashed right away because of the flood(H >of Xoffs and Xons.  As soon as it came back, it crashed again, etc etc. >dG >A similar incident had occurred previously when one of our programmers J >fell asleep on the keyboard of his (non-VT100) terminal, causing the keysJ >to autorepeat.  When we complained to DEC about this vulnerability, theirF >answer was "don't do that".  Similarly for terminals that had a "pageG >transmit" function.  But when their own VT100 became the culprit, theyA" >tightened up RSX20F pretty quick. >iL >Nevertheless, the front end was very definitely designed with only people'sE >fingers in mind on the input side.  Even after the fixes, RSX20F wastI >markedly intolerant of large bursts of input.  Which is why the original5: >Kermit protocol enforced a 94-byte maximum packet length.  D I think this partly came down to the size of a TOPS-20 buffer calledF something like ttbuf. There was some logiic that upped the buffer sizeF depending on line speed. I remember for certain that I patched this to> use larger buffers on all lines but it's highly unlikely I did' anything similar to the front end code.I  D Just before I first saw Kermit (around 1981?) I'd  written some codeD to transfer between a 10 and a 20 and got away with 256 byte buffers@ but to do this I needed to disable XON/XOFF handling and have it@ handled by the code itself. This sounds counter-intuitive but itC allowed me to use longer buffers than if I left flow control to thetA front end. When the TOPS-10 system XOFFed it still had room for asC number of characters in its own input buffer so the fact that a fewaB more were sent  before the program had time to detect the XOFF and? stop the output didn't matter. Of course if you were sending toeC something like an Apple II then any chars transmitted after an XOFFe just got dropped.e  C It's all slowly coming back now as I also remember having a program9D that scanned the tty input buffer counts looking for lines where theF input character rate approximated to the input line speed and then set? the speed to zero or something like that. I think we wrote that ( locally based on an idea from elsewhere.   >T >- Frank   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:31:13 GMTd* From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com>> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers) Message-ID: <8tc032$i34$1@nnrp1.deja.com>g  - In article <39F8E26F.6ABC658A@earthlink.net>,t:   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > 0 > > In article <39F785DC.DC3C8FB@earthlink.net>,> > >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:D > > > > Let me rephrase my question. You are the system manager. You want tohD > > > > delete a job called SOME_JOB. So, you issue the command SHOW ENTRYeB > > > > SOME_JOB to get its entry number. Then, only a few seconds	 later (ithD > > > > takes a few seconds to type it and press RET), you issue the command D > > > > "DELETE/ENTRY entry-number" to delete the job. My concern is > > whether itG > > > > is possible that ***during those few seconds***, unbeknownst to  you,< > > > > the job SOME_JOB just happens to complete, and then,
 subsequently,mD > > > > another user submits a job that just happens to get the same entrys > > > > number.e > > > * > > > Well, understand what you're asking: > > >p > > > Example: > > >uD > > > 1. There are currently 978 entries in the system, entry 1 thru 978,D > > > either executing, pending or holding (/HOLD or timed-release). > > >1+ > > > 2. Entry 765 completes at 22:00:00.00  > > >r0 > > > 3. At 22:00:00.50, user XYZ SUBMITs a job. > > >oD > > > What you're REALLY asking is, will XYZ's job be assigned entry number
 > > > 765? > > >s > >a > > I know what I was asking.i > >eF > > In this case I would not be worried, as there are 22 entry numbers to	 > > sparer > F > How do you *KNOW* that? Have ther EVER been more than 978 entries in thed# > system? Can you *GUARANTEE* that?s  D Can you guarantee that the earth won't be hit by a 200-mile diameterA asteroid tomorrow, thereby wiping out life as we know it? No, yous/ can't. But I, for one, am not worried about it.h  F I have seen the numbers vary between 1 and 1000 at my last job for 2.5D years straight. Therefore, I think it is reasonable to conlcude thatF the full range of numbers was 1 thru 1000. And I had a revolving batchC job running as often as every 5 minutes for those 2.5 years and hadrD never ever ever seen an entry number outside the range of 1 to 1000.  D At the job before that, the range was 1 to 2000. Then a power outageC corrupted the JBCSYSQUE.DAT file and I had to create a new one. The G range thereafter, with the same version of VMS, became 1 to 1000. Based D on this, it is reasonable to conclude that the initial range is 1 to> 1000, which if needed, is expanded by the system to 1 to 2000.  D This is not to say you should depend on that always being so as Hoff6 pointed out: the entry number is an "opaque longword."   >r> > > (unless I had an app that cranked out many queue jobs veryD > > quickly -- I believe another poster mentioned just such an app). > >hF > > > Again, I've never seen a VMS system where the count of available entryeH > > > numbers represented a finite set. So, I'd tend to believe, pending	 > > proofm > >eE > > I've seen them on different systems cycle from 1 to 1000 and 1 to  2000.) > > Those are finite sets. >iE > ...until that (1000 or 2000) gets exceeded. Again, this is *NOT*, I=# > repeat __N_O_T__ a finite set!!!!= >=4 > How much more clearly does this need to be stated?  G The range 1 to 1000 consists of 1000 numbers. 1000 is finite. ThereforeNE it is a finite set. If it later expands to 1 to 2000, then it expands F to a *larger* finite set. But it is still finite! Can the entry number> exceed 2**1000000? Not as a longword, opaque or otherwise. Yet 2**1000000 is a finite number.  E The range of entry numbers is changed by the system as needed, but isl
 still finite..    Finite is not the same as fixed.   -- Disclaimer: JMHO Alan E. Feldmanw alan48  &-)3 dellnet.comM    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.o   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 15:38:21 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers6 Message-ID: <8tc7hd$sut$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  g In article <39F8E26F.6ABC658A@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:aD :...until that (1000 or 2000) gets exceeded. Again, this is *NOT*, I" :repeat __N_O_T__ a finite set!!!!  H   Pendantic alert: the absolute limit is (of course) the storage that isI   available opaque longword that was referenced earlier, but the current aH   pragmatic limit is 99,999 queue entries and up to five queue managers K   per queue database.  The largest value you will likely see will be seven aK   decimal digits long, but the display fields involved are typically eight  J   characters wide in current releases.  (And I'd not assume anything less I   than a full binary longword, in any event -- that "opaque" longword...)   N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 16:30:18 GMT7 From: richard_maher@my-deja.com-> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers) Message-ID: <8tcair$rnc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>    Hi,$  ? >(And I'd not assume anything less than a full binary longword,g+ >in any event -- that "opaque" longword...)r  G Signed or unsigned? On the pedantic note I can't see DCL coping with anuB entry number > 2,147,483,647 :-) But it is just like Compaq to ask users to type that in.   Regards Richard Maher.  6 In article <8tc7hd$sut$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,&   hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam wrote: > C > In article <39F8E26F.6ABC658A@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera"u% <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:tF > :...until that (1000 or 2000) gets exceeded. Again, this is *NOT*, I$ > :repeat __N_O_T__ a finite set!!!! >,G >   Pendantic alert: the absolute limit is (of course) the storage that  isB >   available opaque longword that was referenced earlier, but the current @ >   pragmatic limit is 99,999 queue entries and up to five queue managersF >   per queue database.  The largest value you will likely see will be sevennF >   decimal digits long, but the display fields involved are typically eightaH >   characters wide in current releases.  >  ---------------------------2  pure personal opinion ---------------------------1 >    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering  hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com >/ >     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:43:23 GMT-& From: "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Rdb on VMS reference?5 Message-ID: <f%cK5.322$rm4.7424@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>e  L Any good references for Oracle Rdb on VMS?  I've seen a few books, but don't/ know if they address the OpenVMS environment...    Thanks,l Marcot   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:27:28 -0200n) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br " Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?L Message-ID: <OF07B1E013.24D789B8-ON83256985.00446342@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  H RDB if I remember runs ONLY in OpenVMS ......... And now Oracle will sh= ip a versionuH for Windows NT .... Strategic  to migrate/remove the "small" Oracle RDB=  	 DatabasessH from OpenVMS to the WNT world...... Probably Oracle will say .... RDB i= sl not performing5  under WNT, Let=B4s change to Oracle 8i ..... so ....     H I suggest the new release of the RDB: A Compreensive Guide (Lilian Hobb= s)  book at Amazon.com from     Regard,t   FC=e   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:41:29 GMTS% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)s" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?2 Message-ID: <39f97783.1547020517@news.newsguy.com>  # On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:27:28 -0200,l* fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:  I >RDB if I remember runs ONLY in OpenVMS ......... And now Oracle will sh=  >ip af >versionI >for Windows NT .... Strategic  to migrate/remove the "small" Oracle RDB=e >l
 >DatabasesI >from OpenVMS to the WNT world...... Probably Oracle will say .... RDB i=l >s >not performinga6 > under WNT, Let=B4s change to Oracle 8i ..... so ....  E Oracle have dropped plans to release a commercial RDB for NT. HowevereB there is an unsupported RDB for NT available for download from the; Oracle web site.  Free to any licensed users of RDB on VMS.      --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2000 09:47:34 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson) " Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?* Message-ID: <8tc11m$aq6$1@lisa.gemair.com>  2 In article <39f97783.1547020517@news.newsguy.com>,& Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:$ >On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:27:28 -0200,+ >fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:c > J >>RDB if I remember runs ONLY in OpenVMS ......... And now Oracle will sh= >>ip a	 >>version J >>for Windows NT .... Strategic  to migrate/remove the "small" Oracle RDB= >> >>Databases J >>from OpenVMS to the WNT world...... Probably Oracle will say .... RDB i= >>s  >>not performing7 >> under WNT, Let=B4s change to Oracle 8i ..... so ....  >eF >Oracle have dropped plans to release a commercial RDB for NT. HoweverC >there is an unsupported RDB for NT available for download from the1< >Oracle web site.  Free to any licensed users of RDB on VMS. >   G Another inaccuracy above is that Oracle Rdb runs only in OpenVMS.  It'smF been available, and continues to be available, for Tru64 UNIX for some time.s   >p >--t >Alan Greigb   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 17:11:08 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?6 Message-ID: <8tccvc$15j$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  ^ In article <f%cK5.322$rm4.7424@sodalite.nbnet.nb.ca>, "Marco Shaw" <marco@nbnet.nb.ca> writes:M :Any good references for Oracle Rdb on VMS?  I've seen a few books, but don't@0 :know if they address the OpenVMS environment...  E   Rdb, A Comprehensive Guide (Lillian Hobbs, Ian Smith, Ken England),s3   Digital Press (www.bh.com).  ISBN: 1 55558 186 2.i  G   No opinion: Have seen it in Digital Press displays, have not read it.m  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:51:45 GMT % From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) " Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?2 Message-ID: <39f9a373.1558268201@news.newsguy.com>  = On 27 Oct 2000 09:47:34 -0400, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordanw Henderson) wrote:r   > H >Another inaccuracy above is that Oracle Rdb runs only in OpenVMS.  It'sG >been available, and continues to be available, for Tru64 UNIX for some  >time.  E I was under the impression myself that the Unix port had been droppedhD as well. I know DEC completed the port before selling to Oracle. The> Oracle RDB web pages do not mention Tru-64. More tellingly the) Statement of Direction only mentions VMS.I   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:23:06 +0200 : From: "Andreas Safranek" <andreas.safranek@sea.ericson.se> Subject: set node-name5 Message-ID: <TJcK5.40$wJ2.2045@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>G   Hellor  6 How do i change the node-name under vms 5.5 on a vax ?) I want to use pathworks, does that work ?T  # Thanks in advance, Andreas Safranekm   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:23:08 -0400p0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com> Subject: Re: set node-name2 Message-ID: <a3P5OY8Dfqmc59GCFX52fyuynjQj@4ax.com>  > See URL http://www.openvms.compaq.com/wizard/openvms_faq.html, section MGMT9.  6 On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:23:06 +0200, "Andreas Safranek"( <andreas.safranek@sea.ericson.se> wrote:   >Hello >m7 >How do i change the node-name under vms 5.5 on a vax ?e* >I want to use pathworks, does that work ? > $ >Thanks in advance, Andreas Safranek >n   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 15:39:40 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) Subject: Re: set node-name6 Message-ID: <8tc7js$sut$2@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  r In article <TJcK5.40$wJ2.2045@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>, "Andreas Safranek" <andreas.safranek@sea.ericson.se> writes:7 :How do i change the node-name under vms 5.5 on a vax ?      Please see the OpenVMS FAQ.u  * :I want to use pathworks, does that work ?  D   Yes, but V5.5 is quite old.  I would strongly encourage an upgradeE   to V5.5-2 or to V6.2 or (if you want to run current tools) to V7.2.b  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 09:47:36 +0100t* From: "Richard Brodie" <R.Brodie@rl.ac.uk>* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?+ Message-ID: <8tbfft$n1o@newton.cc.rl.ac.uk>a  ? "Robert Deininger" <rdeininger@mindspring.com> wrote in messageeF news:rdeininger-2710000013370001@user-2ivecjn.dialup.mindspring.com...  L > You mean there's a regular zip file buried in there?  I never even thoughtJ > of that.  I verified that it wasn't a vax or alpha .EXE, and begged help) > from someone who uses a toy wintel box.t  F Yes, the common self-unpacking EXEs are ZIP files with some UNZIP codeI bolted on. Hence all the interesting discussions on whether click-throughi licencing of them is valid.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:02:34 +0200s' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>f* Subject: Re: SETI crashed my 500au - why ?* Message-ID: <39F97CEA.2DF3F826@iaf.fhg.de>   Feathers wrote:e > @ > In article <hshubs-943D94.07585726102000@news.mindspring.com>,1 >   Howard S Shubs <hshubs@mindspring.com> wrote:r > G > > Yes, and the rest is irrelevant.  The "current process" is whomever 
 > happened@ > > to be running when the machine noticed its hardware failure. > > -- > > Howard S ShubsH > > "Run in circles, scream and shout!"  "I hope you have good backups!" > > F > So anyone know whether I should attribute the failure to the b-cacheD > or the 64mb of memory i have just added - i forgot to mention that- > i had added memory as well as a 4MB b-cached > 5 > Is there a tool to test the b-cache and/or memory ?i >  > thanks to all that respond > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy..  E There is guide "DIGITAL Personal Workstation a/au-Series Cache Memory H Installation Guide" Order Number: EK-ALUNX-CU.A01 which says you have to? update the firmware first. The latest firmware is available at:wG ftp://ftp.digital.com/pub/Digital/Alpha/firmware/readmes/digitalpw.htmlt> You should see the memory at the boot level using the command: >>> show memoryhE and of course you should also see the cache size just use help at thed boot level.pB Under OpenVMS use AUTOGEN which adjusts the system parameters, seeW http://www.openvms.compaq.com:8000/72final/6258/6048pro_contents_001.html#toc_chapter_6      Regards, -- s  ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         * ; *  Theo Jakobus                                           * ; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  * ; *  Tullastr. 72                                           *r; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *l; *  Germany                                                *r; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *h; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *.; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            *I; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *e; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************f   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 14:34:33 GMT 4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>= Subject: Shannon Knows Compaq's CETS 2000 After-Action Reporth; Message-ID: <ZngK5.6754$_17.100496@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>a  H For those of you who didn't make it to LaLaLand early this month, a CETSI 2000 review in PDF format will be posted at www.acersoft.com later today.    Enjoy,   -- Terry C. Shannon Consultant and Publisher Shannon Knows Compaq  email: terryshannon@mediaone.net$ Web (info on SKC):  www.acersoft.com   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 09:52:37 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFY . Message-ID: <8tbj95$f99$2@info.service.rug.nl>  E In article <39F87218.6F3AC9C6@pupgg.princeton.edu>, "Edward J. Groth"e$ <groth@pupgg.princeton.edu> writes:   I > In answer to this last question, (if you have suitable privileges, such@ > as SYSPRV), try this:r > - > DISK0:[VMS$COMMON.SYSMGR]NEWMAILCOUNT.COM;2.  H Thanks, that's nice.  It seems to me, though, that something similar to 3 the lexical functions should provide this directly.o   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 09:50:11 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)- Subject: Re: strange effect of SET [NO]VERIFYD. Message-ID: <8tbj4j$f99$1@info.service.rug.nl>  6 In article <8ta4k5$h1u$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>,5 hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) writes: r  B > :Is there something like callable MAIL from DCL?  Something like > :a< > :$  USERS_NEW_MAIL_COUNT = F$GETUSI(USER,"NEW_MAIL_COUNT") > K >   A simple program that uses callable mail to retrieve this and set up a aK >   DCL symbol is likely available (somewhere).  It would be trivially easypJ >   to create such a program, of course.  (As a starting point, there is aL >   tool which sets the newmail count in [srh_examples]callable_mail_test.c, >   on the OpenVMS Freeware.))  H There is a Fortran example on the wizard pages, and someone sent me a C F example.  I know it can be done from COMPILED languages; I'm thinking B here, however, of doing it directly from DCL.  For little things, @ especially when integrated with other DCL procedures, compiling F something seems like overkill.  Of course, for real efficiency that's E the way to go, but it would be nice to have a DCL alternative better  F than creating command files on the fly, executing them, writing their E output to a temporary file, then reading and parsing the contents of l
 said file.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:48:34 +0100 0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher1* Message-ID: <39F95D82.606B75A8@uk.sun.com>   Jordan Henderson wrote:M > / > In article <972438729.683982@sj-nntpcache-5>,e3 >   shawbrow@delilah.cisco.com (Shawn Brown) wrote:i- > > In article <8t22fk$f71$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 1 > > Jordan Henderson  <jordan@my-deja.com> wrote:  > > > F > > >But, we've been told that you can patch Solaris with no downtime,- > > >just like you can with OpenVMS clusters.r > >nG > > Sure you can.  You can patch a suncluster or a vcs cluster by doinge  > > rolling upgrades.  La de da. > >e) > > >What is it that you are doing wrong?4 > >eH > > Don't be a jackass.  Apparently that's fairly difficult for you, but > > lets try.  OK? > A > I was just asking a question.  I don't know much about patchingeG > Solaris, but you seemed to be providing a data point that it's not ase) > seemless as some would have us believe.e > @ Solaris 8 allows you to patch it while it is running. One poster? on this group pointed out that this is used to apply temporary dD patches to the running OS. But you can of course patch the image on @ disk as well so that your "temporary" patch becomes "permanent"  when the OS is rebooted. :  > Of course Shawn may not be running Solaris 8 in which case you@ upgrade a node in the cluster and re-boot it just as you do with	 OpenVMS. G   RegardsF Andrew Harrison2 Enterprise IT Architectf   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 11:56:53 +0100h0 From: andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher ) Message-ID: <39F95F75.F71394E@uk.sun.com>    "Main, Kerry" wrote: >  > Shawn, > M > Just curious, but based on your attached posting, how does a Sun cluster douK > patches with rolling updates without disconnecting any active users or dbo6 > connections i.e. no use of the "F" word (fail-over)? > N > Given that the industry is moving towards 100% application availability thatJ > INCLUDES scheduled system downtime (all vendor 99.9999999 numbers do NOTI > include scheduled system downtime which is now becoming unacceptable to K > mission critical applications), this is going to be a critical feature int
 > the future.  > L > OpenVMS clusters can do this by allowing current users to complete work onG > their active system, but force all new user / db connections to otheraK > systems in the cluster. When all current connections are completed (users0H > went home etc), then that system can be shutdown with ZERO applicationG > availability impact. Cluster HW is designed such that in a three node.B > cluster, any two nodes can carry peak loads for short durations. > B Kerry this is just marketing. You cannot do upgrades to a running H system with no impact to the users because users have to be disconnected0 from the running node that needs to be upgraded.  D Of course you can schedule this, get the users to stop what they are doingtE connect to another node, do the upgrade, reboot the node and you are o back.   D You say scheduled outages are becoming harder to manage and I agree C with you, unfortunately for the users that were connected to node aeC that needs patching and rebooting you are still exposing them to a hA scheduled outage however much you may want to try to market your F way arround it.f  4 What you are proposing is also no unique to OpenVMS.     Regards6 Andrew Harrisonp Enterprise IT ArchitectS   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:04:54 -0000n. From: shawbrow@delilah.cisco.com (Shawn Brown)' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughert- Message-ID: <972659004.196286@sj-nntpcache-5>S  * In article <39F95D82.606B75A8@uk.sun.com>,2 andrew harrison  <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> wrote:  A >Solaris 8 allows you to patch it while it is running. One postere@ >on this group pointed out that this is used to apply temporary E >patches to the running OS. But you can of course patch the image on sA >disk as well so that your "temporary" patch becomes "permanent"   >when the OS is rebooted.    We're not yet running 8.  D I am aware of this feature, but I've not yet tested it.  I've cast aF skeptical eye on Sun's RAS features ever since encountering DR and AP.  ? >Of course Shawn may not be running Solaris 8 in which case youaA >upgrade a node in the cluster and re-boot it just as you do withd
 >OpenVMS.    Yup.  That's what we do.    B The clustering on Sun is certainly not (yet) as sophisticaed as on7 OpenVMS, but looks like it is getting there with SC3.0.    Shawnl   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:28:35 +0200p: From: "Andreas Safranek" <andreas.safranek@sea.ericson.se> Subject: to: set node-name5 Message-ID: <%OcK5.42$wJ2.2670@nreader1.kpnqwest.net>*  I i forgot: at the moment when i do a "show system"  it tells me vms 5.5 on  node unknows   Andreas Safranek   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 08:29:39 GMT7 From: yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) - Subject: Virtual addresses with Multinet-4.2?F% Message-ID: <2000Oct27.082939@hujicc>    Hello,M   I am running Multinet-4.2 on a VMS system and would like to have virtual IP0H addresses in order to have more than one WEB servers running on the sameO machine on the same port. In the past I did this with faked SLIP interfaces. Is % there a more elegant way of doing so? 9                                         Thanks! __Yehavi:    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 08:26:32 -0400*0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>' Subject: Re: VMS in the first sentence! 2 Message-ID: <SnT5ObLBi0A9TkIwMSx7x1K2PJ2d@4ax.com>  B Nice to know someone else in the Triangle (Raleigh, Durham, Chapel Hill) ports to VMS!  ;-)   David R. Beatty-  C On 26 Oct 2000 19:30:43 -0500, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt)m wrote:  E >Saw this story today, thought I'd pass it along.  VMS gets mentionedf >in the first sentence!s >-U >http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=cmt-300b2324&feed=cmt&date=20001026    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 06:52:24 GMTm/ From: "David J. Wilson" <davidjwilson@home.com>B" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!( Message-ID: <39F925EA.844490C7@home.com>   "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:rH > The DECUS name has been retired, but I can assure you the constituencyI > represented by that name is alive and well. CETS 2000 in Los Angeles is $ > prima facie evidence of this fact.  E 	What was the attendance? Any idea of the ratio of hard-core DECUS toe "new Compaq"???    -- p David J. Wilson, CanACU Board davidjwilson@home.comR   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 03:32:10 -0400s& From: "Jeff Killeen" <Jeff@IDM-IO.com>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!3 Message-ID: <8tbb24$rpm$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>,   > What was the attendance?  3 ~4,100 (Symposium)  The total attendance was highere  = > Any idea of the ratio of hard-core DECUS to "new Compaq"???o   Hard core? Too subjectivex  J About 1 out of 5 had DECUS roots.  There was a match against the Encompass list...7     --      0 Jeff Killeen - www.Killeen.cc (All contact info)E =====================================================================   : "David J. Wilson" <davidjwilson@home.com> wrote in message" news:39F925EA.844490C7@home.com...     "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:uH > The DECUS name has been retired, but I can assure you the constituencyI > represented by that name is alive and well. CETS 2000 in Los Angeles is $ > prima facie evidence of this fact.  D What was the attendance? Any idea of the ratio of hard-core DECUS to "new Compaq"???    -- David J. Wilson, CanACU Board davidjwilson@home.com    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:45:18 GMTo4 From: "Terry C. Shannon" <terryshannon@mediaone.net>" Subject: Re: Welcome to Encompass!: Message-ID: <yNeK5.6606$_17.98307@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>  : "David J. Wilson" <davidjwilson@home.com> wrote in message" news:39F925EA.844490C7@home.com... >a >v > "Terry C. Shannon" wrote:oJ > > The DECUS name has been retired, but I can assure you the constituencyK > > represented by that name is alive and well. CETS 2000 in Los Angeles is & > > prima facie evidence of this fact. >oF > What was the attendance? Any idea of the ratio of hard-core DECUS to > "new Compaq"???t  L Attendance reportedly was ~4.5K including all Encompass US, non-US DECUS, NTK Wizards, ASE, and CSA attendees as well as Compaq execs, support staff, and  trade show personnel..  K I would venture to guess that hardcore DECUS members represented ~1K of thee. total, which is an improvement over San Diego.  K A copy of my symposium writeup will be posted on www.acersoft.com Real Soonc Now.   cheers,a   terry se   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 10:58:35 GMTs% From: A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig)r7 Subject: Re: What does this mean? (DECthreads bugcheck)t2 Message-ID: <39f95f50.1540825680@news.newsguy.com>  @ On Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:48:46 GMT, mark@NOSPAMtechop.co.uk (Mark) wrote:   >HI, >sE >I sometimes get an error like this when running a program. How can I*, >find out what it means and how to solve it?  C It means there is an internal bug in DECThreads. I'd try installing L http://ftp1.support.compaq.com/public/vms/axp/v7.1-1h2/alpthreads_05071.html- and if that doesn't work call Compaq support.    >dE >--------------------------------------------------------------------bA >%DECthreads bugcheck (version V3.13-553), terminating execution. F >% Running on OpenVMS Alpha [OpenVMS V7.1-1H2; AlphaServer 1000 4/266, >1 cpu,s
 >%  192Mb]* >% In process 0x00000000210039AB, thread 1; >% Reason: mutex 0x00000000006378D0 ref. overflow on unlock  >%L >(0x0073FD78:0x0DBCAFE1:0x00000068:0x00000000006330E0:0x00000001:0x00000000) >% Dumping to pthread_dump.logE >--------------------------------------------------------------------c >s >TIA >Mark Williams >c   --
 Alan Greig   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:53:22 -0400.) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net60 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?9 Message-ID: <39f96d22$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>0  = In <v5hgvsslottibks6qboes1308ulbu1jcm3@4ax.com>, on 10/26/00 i=    at 08:07 AM, S. Myers <REMOVETHISsmyers75@email.com> said:u  F VMS correctly uses <LF> to mark end of record with the carraige returnI control being applied on read.  If you have a good programmers editor youpJ can substitute the <LF> char for <CR><LF>, or <LF><CR> depending upon what that hokey OS uses.v   Roland   >Hello,sF >I have a friend that is working with an older VMS system (circa 1980)H >that has thousands of small text files I need him to send to me for useD >on a NT based system. They are Text files to his system, along withE >End-Of-Blocks, but when he sends them to me there are no line ends. -  ( >With a hex viewer they look similar to:  H >01 00 25 00 20 00 4F 32 36 32 31 20 20 20 20 20 20 28 20 32 36 32 31 2DH >33 20 4F 50 20 31 30 37 30 20 29 0C 00 28 53 51 43 20 31 36 31 32 30 88 >29 1C 00 01 00 25 20b     >Where they should read as:m     >% >O2621      ( 2621-3 OP 1070 )
 >(SQC 161208)$ >%  I >Is anybody aware of what format this is and how I can convert it to a PCn >viewable text file?   >Thanks,	 >S. Myers      --  ; -----------------------------------------------------------uD yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------a   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2000 10:02:58 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?+ Message-ID: <cPizN1EqtBYd@eisner.decus.org>t  R In article <39F8B5C8.8D99070C@infopuls.com>, Christof <brass@infopuls.com> writes:! > Ever thought about convert/fdl?eA > Till now I solved every single conversion/transfer problem thati > way.  E Sure, but the original VMS based system required 80 byte fixed lengtheB records and we always thought of them as text lines.  We found the@ problem after transmitting to UNIX and quickly fixed it with vi.  G If EDT can handle text lines stored as fixed lengtgh records, why can't-G FTP?  IMHO if I'm sending a fixed length record file in ASCII mode each#D record should be transmitted with the RFC 959 CRLF pair, only if I'mH sending it in binary mode should the file end up on my UNIX system as an! undelimitted collection of bytes.a  F Are EDT and I alone in the concept that a fixed length record of ASCII; characters is a line of text?  IIRC Fortran thinks so, too.o  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation-= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouprE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 12:12 -0400t From: hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?& Message-ID: <27OCT200012120788@miasys>  T In article <39F8B5C8.8D99070C@infopuls.com>, Christof <brass@infopuls.com> writes...  >Ever thought about convert/fdl?E >Till now I solved every single conversion/transfer problem that way.h  G Right. This can help to make the VMS file palatable on the foreing box. H Specifically, for a 'text' file to go to a Unix box you may want to use + 	$CONVERT/FDL=SYS$INPUT vms.dat foreign.dat- 	RECORD; FORMAT STREAM_LF1 	$M After that you can use binary transfer mode (Use STREAM for NT... but beware,e7 this format will drop leading binary zeroes on records)   L If the file came to the VMS box 'broken', then sometimes it is just a matterD of the registred file attributes not mathing the actuall attributes.G For example a 'text' file showing up (DIR/FULL) as fixed-length-512 can + often be fixed by: $SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STMLFnN No data will be moved/changed by this command, just a file header data change.  N Now if the actual data got munged during the transfer and you can not resend, J then be sure to check out EXCHANGE /NET. It's /FDL and /TRANSFER_MODE haveM some deblocking, delimiter options that may be able to fixed the data without: having to write speficic code.     hthp 	Hein.   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 11:48 CSTb' From: carl@gerg.tamu.edu (Carl Perkins)c0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?- Message-ID: <27OCT200011481546@gerg.tamu.edu>s  0 koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) writes...H >If EDT can handle text lines stored as fixed lengtgh records, why can'tH >FTP?  IMHO if I'm sending a fixed length record file in ASCII mode eachE >record should be transmitted with the RFC 959 CRLF pair, only if I'meI >sending it in binary mode should the file end up on my UNIX system as an5" >undelimitted collection of bytes. > G >Are EDT and I alone in the concept that a fixed length record of ASCII < >characters is a line of text?  IIRC Fortran thinks so, too.G >----------------------------------------------------------------------a@ >Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation  B Even though the Fortran formatting may normally use a fixed numberB of bytes (it doesn't have to, at least not in VAX or DEC or CompaqE Fortran), the created file is still normally a variable record lengthhB file for the basic formatted sequential access file (so it will beC for any output that is intended to be human readable) - it is fixedeG length if you open it as a relative or indexed access file, or a directeE access sequential file, and it is "segmented" if it is an unformatted K sequential access file (which seems to appear on a DIR/FULL as a sequentiali: variable record length file just like the formatted ones).  C As to why some (or all) FTP software can't do this right, I have nooC idea. It seems to me that it should end each record with a CR+LF ifn it is behaving properly.   --- Carl   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 07:16:31 GMT 1 From: CSABA  HARANGOZO   <csabah@zipworld.com.au>tL Subject: Re: What would be your ultimate dream VMS machine (desktop/tower) ?) Message-ID: <jZ9K5.225$kd2.33125@nostril>,  3 David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote:d > In article <y4og07x4jt.fsf@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de>, Jan Vorbrueggen <jan@mailhost.neuroinformatik.ruhr-uni-bochum.de> writes:6 >>mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) writes: >>I >>> None of which negates the argument that there should be a simple way .N >>> to test SCSI disks on the end user's system.  And if such a test requires B >>> that all devices on a bus be tested at once, that's fine too.  >>2 >>It already exists on your VMS system - run UETP. >> >>	Jan >>P >>PS: Dunno whether it is still included...there was a time when DEC recommendedD >>running UETP as an acceptance test after installing/upgrading VMS. >>  L > It's there in SYS$TEST.  Not a spec of documentation in that directory or 6 > in HELP though.  In which manual is it documented???  : 	OpenVMS System Manager's Manual : Tuning, Monitoring, and- 	Complex Systems.    AA-PV5ND-TK         1996d   	Chapter 17e  ! 	( OpenVMS paper doc set , V7.1 )  						Cheers,    Csaba  I    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- E    * Csaba I. Harangozo     |    'To err is human', said the hedgehogiE    * csabah@zipworld.com.au |           as he dismounted a wirebrush.eI    ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ;    EARTH::AUSTRALIA:[SYDNEY]HARANGOZO.CSABA;1, delete? [N]:s   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 12:25:30 -0000t% From: dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) A Subject: Re: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to  VMS 7.2-1d/ Message-ID: <svit1qh0aavf88@news.supernews.com>   A In article <8t7drh$qdo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com> Hoff wrote:K  [ > In article <8t7arf$qk3$1@news.duke.edu>, "Ted Medenblik" <ted.medenblik@duke.edu> writes:SM > :I just noticed ZIP broke after the VMS upgrade. I can still add files into H > :an existing zip, but when I try to create a new zip file, I get this:  E >   Known problem with older versions of Zip, including the pre-built E >   version that shipped on Freeware V4.  Please see the OpenVMS FAQ.r  A Color me stupid, but I don't see anything in the most recent FAQsn6 I can find (both at the website and in the newsgroup).   ok dpmb -- r3 David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/s- systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comoC                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)nC COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:Murphy_DavidP@emc.com        (work)t   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:58:49 GMTt From: byatesiii@my-deja.com @ Subject: Re: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to VMS 7.2-1) Message-ID: <8tc8nk$q0j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>a  / In article <svit1qh0aavf88@news.supernews.com>,t(   dpm@myths.com (David P. Murphy) wrote:C > In article <8t7drh$qdo$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com> Hoff wrote:i >n< > > In article <8t7arf$qk3$1@news.duke.edu>, "Ted Medenblik"  <ted.medenblik@duke.edu> writes:D > > :I just noticed ZIP broke after the VMS upgrade. I can still add
 files intoD > > :an existing zip, but when I try to create a new zip file, I get this:i >hG > >   Known problem with older versions of Zip, including the pre-builtwG > >   version that shipped on Freeware V4.  Please see the OpenVMS FAQ.  >oC > Color me stupid, but I don't see anything in the most recent FAQso8 > I can find (both at the website and in the newsgroup). >  > ok > dpme > --5 > David P. Murphy          http://www.myths.com/~dpm/r/ > systems programmer        ftp://ftp.myths.comeE >                          mailto:dpm@myths.com            (personal)hE > COGITO ERGO DISCLAMO     mailto:Murphy_DavidP@emc.com        (work)5 >46  We experienced this, got a new version from Multinet.  G  On an older system, we continue to use Zip and Unzip (c) 1990-93, MarkrG Adler, Richard B. Wales, Jean-Loup Gailly, Igor Mandrichenko... withouto problems...t   Gotta love free software!e    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.a   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.601 ************************