1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 28 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 602       Contents: Re: DEC AMDS question  Re: eBay (guess what) again. Ethernet Problems? Re: Ethernet Problems?  FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1 Re: Memo:  Museum piece  Re: Memo:  Museum piece   Re: Memo:  Re: INFO-VAX 2000.600 Microsoft gets hacked  NFS Client using UCX Re: open an Imac?  Re: open an Imac? ( Re: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT Re: PHP for VMS? Re: PHP for VMS? Re: PHP for VMS? Re: PHP for VMS? Re: PHP for VMS?% Re: Print drivers for OKI printers???  Re: Rdb on VMS reference? " SALON.COM article:  Doomed by eBay Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: TEK 4111 emulator?( Re: Virtual addresses with Multinet-4.2?' Re: What VMS format are these files in? 7 Re: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to VMS 7.2-1   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:43:42 GMT  From: byatesiii@my-deja.com  Subject: Re: DEC AMDS question) Message-ID: <8tcics$2u1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   2 In article <39F84D99.13C3D9FE@clarityconnect.com>,4   "Mark D. Jilson" <jilly@clarityconnect.com> wrote:H > Is AMDS$DEVICE pointing to the right network controller on MSRBAT suchF > that it's AMDS packets are seen on the same lan segment as the other( > systems?  This is usually the problem. >   Thank you. That was the problem!    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:03:39 -0400 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>% Subject: Re: eBay (guess what) again. 2 Message-ID: <7835OXbk87Je+mcyzKn6wZDNmVhU@4ax.com>  
 <big snip>   A >So if you had an Oracle Database running on say a 2 node OpenVMS A >cluster for performance reasons. How would you tune the database @ >if for example you wanted to add another 2 nodes and run OPS on= >4 rather than 2 nodes. How would you ensure that the queries * >are evenly balanced across all the nodes.  D     Actually, the hard part is going from a single node to a clusterF -- and that's not particularly hard.  There are a few issues involved:  3     1.  Oracle Parallel Server has to be installed. >     2.  The GC parameters within INIT.ORA need to be modified.?     3.  The rollback segments need to be tuned to run parallel. >     4.  A dynamic IP alias needs to be setup, assuming you are>          using SQL*Net over TCP/IP to connect to the database.0          (This is what does the load balancing.)?     5.  The SYSGEN lock management parameters need to be tuned. ?     6.  The database has to be cycled, and possibly the system.   A Now, it's been about a year since I've managed an OpenVMS Cluster B running Oracle Parallel Server V7, but it's pretty much that easy.< Your mileage may vary under V8, but if anything it should be simpler, not harder.  E     All this is in the Oracle Parallel Server and Oracle for OpenVMS   Alpha manuals.  6     Going from two nodes to additional nodes would be:  D     1.  Setup the database to run on each additional node (trivial).;     2.  Modification of the GC parameters (again, trivial). B     3.  The new nodes need to have the dynamic IP alias configured            (once again, trivial).   > > >Of course you don't have to partion the database but remember@ >you want the best performance ideally you are aiming for linear> >scalability into your single DBMS by adding additional nodes.  1 ... and would not want to partition the database!    > = >Get back to me when you have though it out and please please @ >don't come back with OpenVMS clusters just do it transparently, >they don't. >   A Tuning is never transparent.  However, once the cluster is setup, E adding additional nodes is fairly trivial, and initial tuning both on ) the database and O/S side is fairly easy.    >  >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 18:03:02 GMT " From: fooguy <jweisen@my-deja.com> Subject: Ethernet Problems? ( Message-ID: <8tcg0h$mj$1@nnrp1.deja.com>  @ All of the sudden today I'm seeing the following error on the OP Console:  8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-OCT-2000 11:28:36.42  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on SHRIKE? Event: Alignment Error from: Node LOCAL:.SHRIKE CSMA-CD Station 	 CSMACD-0, -         at: 2000-10-27-11:28:36.420-04:00Iinf 7         eventUid   4A1E5122-ABFC-11D4-963C-534852494B45 7         entityUid  A904F95B-A522-11D4-8003-AA0004000504 7         streamUid  AC3329C2-A522-11D4-8003-AA0004000504      $ 8 %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-OCT-2000 11:31:11.84  %%%%%%%%%%%" Message from user SYSTEM on SHRIKEA Event: Frame Check Error from: Node LOCAL:.SHRIKE CSMA-CD Station 	 CSMACD-0, -         at: 2000-10-27-11:31:11.840-04:00Iinf 7         eventUid   A6C185E8-ABFC-11D4-963D-534852494B45 7         entityUid  A904F95B-A522-11D4-8003-AA0004000504 7         streamUid  AC3329C2-A522-11D4-8003-AA0004000504   G I assume it's an ethernet frame error. The system is connected directly 8 to a 100mbt switch, and the device stats look like this:   $ SHOW DEV EWA0/FULL  G Device EWA0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, device is a  template only.  > Error count                    0    Operations completed     0> Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC         [SYSTEM]> Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W> Reference count                0    Default buffer size    512  
 Any thoughts?    --- ********************************************* ( "All I every wanted from life was to see, Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace."    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 06:56:42 +0200 > From: "Jean-Franois Marchal" <jean-francois.marchal@x9000.fr> Subject: Re: Ethernet Problems? . Message-ID: <8tdm4q$6j3$1@reader1.imaginet.fr>  C You should check if both de500 and the switch operate with the same C settings ... ie full duplex each, or half duplex each, 100 each ... C Sometimes it can be good to force the setting. Had the problem with D a DS10 which was setup as FastFD, but the Cisco switch showed no FD.   Jeab-Franois Marchal  X9000 - LYON (FR)     / "fooguy" <jweisen@my-deja.com> wrote in message " news:8tcg0h$mj$1@nnrp1.deja.com...B > All of the sudden today I'm seeing the following error on the OP
 > Console: > : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-OCT-2000 11:28:36.42  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on SHRIKEA > Event: Alignment Error from: Node LOCAL:.SHRIKE CSMA-CD Station  > CSMACD-0, / >         at: 2000-10-27-11:28:36.420-04:00Iinf 9 >         eventUid   4A1E5122-ABFC-11D4-963C-534852494B45 9 >         entityUid  A904F95B-A522-11D4-8003-AA0004000504 9 >         streamUid  AC3329C2-A522-11D4-8003-AA0004000504  >  >  > $ : > %%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM  27-OCT-2000 11:31:11.84  %%%%%%%%%%%$ > Message from user SYSTEM on SHRIKEC > Event: Frame Check Error from: Node LOCAL:.SHRIKE CSMA-CD Station  > CSMACD-0, / >         at: 2000-10-27-11:31:11.840-04:00Iinf 9 >         eventUid   A6C185E8-ABFC-11D4-963D-534852494B45 9 >         entityUid  A904F95B-A522-11D4-8003-AA0004000504 9 >         streamUid  AC3329C2-A522-11D4-8003-AA0004000504  > I > I assume it's an ethernet frame error. The system is connected directly : > to a 100mbt switch, and the device stats look like this: >  > $ SHOW DEV EWA0/FULL > I > Device EWA0:, device type DE500, is online, network device, device is a  > template only. > @ > Error count                    0    Operations completed     0@ > Owner process                 ""    Owner UIC         [SYSTEM]@ > Owner process ID        00000000    Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G,W@ > Reference count                0    Default buffer size    512 >  > Any thoughts?  >  > --/ > ********************************************* * > "All I every wanted from life was to see. > Larry Wall give Bill Gates a Perl Necklace." >  > ( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:48:55 GMT = From: system@SendSpamHere.ORG (Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-) ) Subject: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed 0 Message-ID: <009F23B5.E00D3754@SendSpamHere.ORG>   Hi,   I I need to FTP a large number of files to a Billybox which has reflections I FTP.  When I mass get (MGET *.*) the files are created with the name.exe# I where # is the version number of the file on the VMS box.  How do I get a + file to transfer and maintain the filename?   1 Damn this PeeCee shit is too freakin' screwed up.  --O VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM              O city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:07:28 GMT - From: "Richard D. Piccard" <piccard@ohio.edu> - Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed ( Message-ID: <39F9E075.5F8E1170@ohio.edu>  Q If you can initiate the FTP transaction from the Windows machine, then use WS_FTP        http://www.ipswitch.com/  R and it can be configured to trim the semicolon and the version number.  We use theI LE version, which is free to educational institutions.  The configuration O instructions that we use for interacting with our server (VMS, UCX, OSU...) are  available at  7     http://www.ohiou.edu/pagemasters/memo85/ws_ftp.html   J (that includes screen shots of the configuration window and a step-by-step instnruction sequence).   #                                 RDP     & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:   > Hi,  > K > I need to FTP a large number of files to a Billybox which has reflections K > FTP.  When I mass get (MGET *.*) the files are created with the name.exe# K > where # is the version number of the file on the VMS box.  How do I get a - > file to transfer and maintain the filename?  > 3 > Damn this PeeCee shit is too freakin' screwed up.  > --Q > VAXman- OpenVMS APE certification number: AAA-0001     VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM  > Q > city, n., 1. a place where trees are cut down and streets are named after them.    --B ==================================================================B Dick Piccard                           Academic Technology ManagerB piccard@ohio.edu                                 Computer ServicesB http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~piccard/                Ohio University   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:42:07 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> - Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed ' Message-ID: <39F9E89F.1EEC6B87@iee.org>   & "Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman-" wrote:K > I need to FTP a large number of files to a Billybox which has reflections K > FTP.  When I mass get (MGET *.*) the files are created with the name.exe# K > where # is the version number of the file on the VMS box.  How do I get a - > file to transfer and maintain the filename?  >   0 When I need to do this from my NT4 box I fire up  an MSDOS window and just do ftp:   c:\foo> ftp vmsbox ... username stuff ... cd wherever 1 prompt                      toggles prompting off  mget *.* quit  > The files come across without any version numbers. The VAX (or9 sometimes Alpha) is running some variant of UCX V4 or so.   : So just use the "native" ftp and see if that does what you want.   6 Failing that you could zip the files up under OpenVMS,% ftp the ZIP file and unzip on the PC.    Antonio    --     --------------- - Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:06:23 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>- Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed ' Message-ID: <G34B6n.C3H@spcuna.spc.edu>   ? Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- <system@sendspamhere.org> writes: K > I need to FTP a large number of files to a Billybox which has reflections K > FTP.  When I mass get (MGET *.*) the files are created with the name.exe# K > where # is the version number of the file on the VMS box.  How do I get a - > file to transfer and maintain the filename?   I   The VMS FTP server should offer an option (or default) to stripping the - file version off. MultiNet does, for example.   H   BTW, though I have Reflection (no "s") on my PC, I find its FTP clientG too "cute" and not functional enough, and its FTP server buggy, so I do ( my FTP-ing from a MS-DOS prompt window..  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:01:23 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed , Message-ID: <39FA4181.1618F8B1@videotron.ca>   Terry Kennedy wrote:K >   The VMS FTP server should offer an option (or default) to stripping the / > file version off. MultiNet does, for example.   $ DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$FTP_NO_VERSION 1  J IF you define this logica, VMS does not send file version numbers when you> enter mget and the ls commands to a host that is not VMS host.   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 03:15:10 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>- Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed ' Message-ID: <G34EDA.EEE@spcuna.spc.edu>   / JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: & > DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$FTP_NO_VERSION 1 > L > IF you define this logica, VMS does not send file version numbers when you@ > enter mget and the ls commands to a host that is not VMS host.  I   You need to be more specific as to _which_ TCP/IP product (and version)  you're talking about...   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 00:22:33 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed , Message-ID: <39FA5482.B6F2E6A3@videotron.ca>   Terry Kennedy wrote:( > > DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$FTP_NO_VERSION 1 > > N > > IF you define this logica, VMS does not send file version numbers when youB > > enter mget and the ls commands to a host that is not VMS host. > K >   You need to be more specific as to _which_ TCP/IP product (and version)  > you're talking about...     N Well, I thought it was quite obvious from the logical name :-) TCPIP services J (I am at 5.0, and I would assume this also works for subsequent versions). This is the successor to UCX.    ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 05:34:33 GMT 4 From: LESLIE@209-16-45-102.insync.net (Jerry Leslie)- Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed ' Message-ID: <JztK5.149$If6.5971@insync>   . JF Mezei (jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca) wrote: : Terry Kennedy wrote:J : >   The VMS FTP server should offer an option (or default) to stripping 5 : > the file version off. MultiNet does, for example.  : & : DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$FTP_NO_VERSION 1 : E : IF you define this logical, VMS does not send file version numbers  I : when you enter mget and the ls commands to a host that is not VMS host.   C For older versions of Digital TCP/IP Services For OpenVMS, aka UCX, > a search of SYS$SYSTEM:UCX$FTPC.EXE for "FTP_NO_VERSION" finds UCX$FTP_NO_VERSION  / --Jerry Leslie   leslie@209-16-45-97.insync.net ;                  leslie@209-16-45-102.insync.net is invalid 2                  (my opinions are strictly my own)   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:29:29 +0100 + From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org> - Subject: Re: Getting VMS S/A on RX50 in ODS-1 ' Message-ID: <39F9E5A9.72DF9629@iee.org>    Derek Konigsberg wrote:   * [snip discussion of console boot floppies]  D I've never had my hands on a Nautilus box but from a few manuals and such like it seems that:8  - when you boot, VMB.EXE is read from the PRO hard disk>  - a copy of VMB.EXE exists on one of the PRO CONSOLE floppies7  - it seems that the SID on these boxes is "soft", i.e. 8    it gets set by the PRO; if it doesn't get set for any4    reason (e.g. a failure in @SYSINIT) then VMB will&    (obviously) get very upset and fail  7 I've lost track of whether you are trying to get a copys6 of the ODS-1 PRO CONSOLE floppies or the ODS-2 S/A BKP9 floppies but either way, if your source has a VAX with anh: attached RX50 drive, will BACKUP/PHYSICAL not do the trick; for you ... I think it will effectively do a block-by-block'" copy and a block-by-block restore.  S > Our only other functional VAX is a VAXstation 4.  Any idea how I can interface ane= > SDI disk to it?  As far as I know, the thing only has DSSI.e  3 To talk SDI you would need a KDA50 - they are still07 reasonably plentiful as far as I can tell. If your diska8 is one of the 14" variety (RA8x, RA9x) then you probably2 want a set of SDI cables. If it is an RA7x you can; temporarily physically move it into the VAXstation/MicroVAX ' cabinet while you drop OpenVMS onto it.V  R > P.S.  Is there any way to get an official VMS install-kit for the system of someT > random older version out of some seldom used storage closet somewhere?  (I seem to' > think this would be the easiest way.)p  E I believe that this may be possible but I doubt that it is free since-& someone will have to go and dig it up.   Why do you want an old version?    Antonios   -- d   ---------------R- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org@   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:12:04 -0400M- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>:  Subject: Re: Memo:  Museum piece, Message-ID: <39F9EF9E.F1D23A6A@videotron.ca>  K If you cannot find a good home for your Microvax II, you should at the very . least take the motherboard and have it framed.  M Remember that Digital made it illegal to do that since it insisted that EVERY M microvax II motherboard traded in absolutely positively had to be shredded tomJ a fine dust, this to prevent third parties from reselling Microvax IIs and" thus depriving Digital of revenus.   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:34:48 +0100s+ From: "antonio.carlini" <arcarlini@iee.org>f  Subject: Re: Memo:  Museum piece' Message-ID: <39F9E6E8.BC1DE91D@iee.org>o   Paul BEAUDOIN wrote:E > I have finally retired a MicroVAX II  with serial number AY00000004aE > from production. It deserves some better end than the local crusherlG > after 15 years of solid service. Any one know where venerable old MVs F > go to die? How about a museum? (This one qualifies. We even have theF > original docs that were shipped with it). BTW we used to have serialA > numbers 1-3 also but some bozo sent them to the crusher so thisdB > remains the oldest MV out of Ayr in existence. Any suggestions ?  ? Assuming that you are in the UK, then the Computer Conservationo> Society may be happy to take it (largely because of the serial number I would guess).  > You can find them at: http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/CCS/ccs_nofr.htm   Antoniot     ---------------i- Antonio Carlini             arcarlini@iee.org    ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 13:35:36 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)) Subject: Re: Memo:  Re: INFO-VAX 2000.600 3 Message-ID: <BfpZha5fJCDG@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>f  @ In article <80256985.003567DA.00@emea-smtp-03.systems.uk.hsbc>, 2     Paul BEAUDOIN <paul.beaudoin@hsbc.com> writes: >  > A > I am not so much concerned with the extra functionality that CAmG > (Compaq Analyse) provides as I am with the missing ANAL/ERR function.I [...]   /         I think we're all with you on that one!   H         FWIW, DECevent _will_ provide  that  function without a license.H     I  thought a post yesterday (from Hoff?) said the same thing is trueH     of Compaq Analyse.  However, never having seen the  beast,  I  can'tH     say  whether  that's  true or not.  Is there a way for you to try it@     out, or did Compaq de-install the product from your systems?           -Ken -- tM  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edut:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:06:27 -0500j% From: Keith Brown <kbrown780@isd.net>  Subject: Microsoft gets hacked' Message-ID: <39FA1883.A482F65B@isd.net>O  0 I'm surprised it hasn't happened before now. :-)    5 http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/10/27/technology/microsoft/d   -- : Keith BrownC kbrown780@isd.net0   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:56:48 GMT1 From: bobby.thomas@beasys.com4 Subject: NFS Client using UCX-) Message-ID: <8td17d$g27$1@nnrp1.deja.com>m   Hello,  E I am trying to mount a UNIX NFS File system onto my OVMS 7.1 Machine.   ) UCX>mount DNFS0: /host="ABC" /path="/usr"Y" I get the following error message.  1 %UCX$DNFSMOUNT-E-MOUNTFAIL, error mounting DNFS0:D- -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHDEV, no such device availableI  C How do I get this to work? The NFS Server is exporting the required : filesystems since all other Unix machines are mounting it.  % Any help will be greatly appreciated.0   Bobby     & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:09:56 -0400W- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>0 Subject: Re: open an Imac?, Message-ID: <39F9EF1E.48ECA3BE@videotron.ca>   "Richard D. Piccard" wrote:o > R > Are those screws "proprietary Phillips" or are they torx, like the original Mac?  H Phillips screws. I used the word "proprietary" in a sarcastic fashion...   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:15:41 GMT*% From: hg/jb <shsrms@bellatlantic.net>* Subject: Re: open an Imac?0 Message-ID: <39FA0D79.C52E1885@bellatlantic.net>   Bob Koehler wrote: > I >   Before I dice into a flood of Mac newgroup messages, does anyone here-3 >   happend to know how to open the case on a iMac?r > H > ----------------------------------------------------------------------A > Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation ? > NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupmG >                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    bob,
 I used a saw.d badbob   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:56:37 -0500 1 From: "Dave Gudewicz" <david.gudewicz@abbott.com>c1 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NTd8 Message-ID: <8tcq0l$d6v$1@fizban.fizban.pprd.abbott.com>  H I heard at the recent CETS2000 symposia that this product moved from oneJ internal group to another at Compaq recently.  Forgot the from and to, but the product is not dead AFAIK.   Dave...:  6 <fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br> wrote in messageF news:OF09CA6482.FCB92949-ON83256985.0063F0EA@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br...J > This product  looks like commited to the SAN estrategy  of Compaq, but I > didnt find it related0! > in the SAN homepage ! Did you ?3 >C; > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/OPENVMSD/O >M
 > Regards, >1 > FC >  >%   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 22:23:00 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: PHP for VMS?0, Message-ID: <8tcv84$i2h@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  F In article <8tc7du$ojq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jbecker@ui.urban.org writes:G >A request has landed in my lap for setting up PHP on VMS (6.2, Alpha).- >3@ >("PHP is a server-side, cross-platform, HTML embedded scripting6 >language." It's open-source, apparently all in C. See( >http://www.php.net/ if you're curious.) >WF >AltaVista and Deja searches turned up a couple of vague references toG >PHP having been ported to VMS, but that's it. I have the tar file full C >of source, but the makefiles are heavily Unix-oriented. However, I C >suspect this is more like a porting effort than simply a matter of F >getting the right makefile, but admittedly I say this based only on aH >quick skim. BTW, we're using the HTTPD server from the VMS Freeware CD. >*  I PHP is only ever used with Apache (as far as I know) and there is now an rI Apache version for OpenVMS.  Did you download that and check to see if it/K came with PHP?  If it doesn't perhaps you can induce the guys at Compaq to  D port this for you - or turn over whatever they already have on hand.   >eG >The context, FYI, is that a few of our web developers have a couple ofDB >applications that touch data housed on VMS and non-VMS platforms.F >They're already using PHP on NT (for data access), and they'd like to0 >be able to reuse some of that for the VMS side.  J Bet they're using it to talk to MSQL or PostgreSQL - neither of which are K available for VMS.  Or they may be doing ODBC.  PHP itself may be the leasti of your worries. c   >All is not lost if theyF >don't get PHP for VMS, but they're hoping it can be made available in >time for an upcoming project.  # Available in what state of support?r  I I'm going to hazard a guess that, considering what it is, the core of PHP0K should be relatively easy to port (the static form, minus MSQL access.) The:H dynamically loadable form is another matter - odds are that will be done! differently on VMS than on Unix. r  I I'm also going to hazard a guess that by far the easist way to access thecK files on the VMS machine will be to NFS export them to a linux box, and runeG Apache with your existing PHP scripts there.   Failing that, have them hL rewrite to use Perl or Java, both of which come with the VMS version of the : Apache server (and every other version, as far as I know.)   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech n   ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:37:23 GMTbL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: PHP for VMS?l8 Message-ID: <009F23B4.439E6848@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  F In article <8tc7du$ojq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jbecker@ui.urban.org writes:G >A request has landed in my lap for setting up PHP on VMS (6.2, Alpha).e >e@ >("PHP is a server-side, cross-platform, HTML embedded scripting6 >language." It's open-source, apparently all in C. See( >http://www.php.net/ if you're curious.) > F >AltaVista and Deja searches turned up a couple of vague references toG >PHP having been ported to VMS, but that's it. I have the tar file full C >of source, but the makefiles are heavily Unix-oriented. However, IiC >suspect this is more like a porting effort than simply a matter ofpF >getting the right makefile, but admittedly I say this based only on aH >quick skim. BTW, we're using the HTTPD server from the VMS Freeware CD. >tG >I'm wondering if someone has already been down this path and can offern >some good tips. >   F I haven't been far down this path - haven't, for example, examined theH PHP source code.  My (vague) understanding is that PHP is mostly writtenH in PERL, and that it relies heavily on the DBD::databasename modules forF Perl.  (There isn't a DBD::Rdb, although there is one for Oracle that I (once you get it linked, which is apparently a hassle) runs on VMS.  Dan e Sugalski has done this.)  N [That might be DBI:: instead of DBD::; I don't use them and can never remember what they are.]e  A I'd be very much interested to hear what you discover about this.    -- Alan   O ===============================================================================n0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056dM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210oO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 19:37:33 -0400r" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: PHP for VMS?M; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001027193233.023f8700@24.8.96.48>u  F At 10:37 PM 10/27/00 +0000, Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:G >In article <8tc7du$ojq$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, jbecker@ui.urban.org writes: I > >A request has landed in my lap for setting up PHP on VMS (6.2, Alpha).e > > B > >("PHP is a server-side, cross-platform, HTML embedded scripting8 > >language." It's open-source, apparently all in C. See* > >http://www.php.net/ if you're curious.) > >eH > >AltaVista and Deja searches turned up a couple of vague references toI > >PHP having been ported to VMS, but that's it. I have the tar file full E > >of source, but the makefiles are heavily Unix-oriented. However, I E > >suspect this is more like a porting effort than simply a matter of H > >getting the right makefile, but admittedly I say this based only on aJ > >quick skim. BTW, we're using the HTTPD server from the VMS Freeware CD. > >0I > >I'm wondering if someone has already been down this path and can offerM > >some good tips. > >e >gG >I haven't been far down this path - haven't, for example, examined theMI >PHP source code.  My (vague) understanding is that PHP is mostly writtenvI >in PERL, and that it relies heavily on the DBD::databasename modules forI >Perl.  H Nope. :) PHP doesn't have anything to do directly with perl--there's no K source overlap or anything. It was designed (or so I've been told) to do a -2 lot of what perl does in CGI, but that's about it.  B >   (There isn't a DBD::Rdb, although there is one for Oracle thatI >(once you get it linked, which is apparently a hassle) runs on VMS.  DanM >Sugalski has done this.)t  L It used to be a lot easier. At one point it was a clean build, but either I J got it wrong or the procedures have changed. I don't have Oracle any more F to do this with, alas. DBD::Oracle will probably work with any of the K Oracle releases of Rdb, BTW, though getting it linked might be rather more .E fun than most folks would like. (Allegedly Rdb has an OCI compatible r; interface, but I've not ever had Rdb around to try it with)-   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"-------------------@2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even ;                                       teddy bears get drunk    ------------------------------  # Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:52:07 GMThL From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU ("Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr") Subject: Re: PHP for VMS?p8 Message-ID: <009F23BE.B43EF77A@SSRL04.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU>  ` In article <5.0.0.25.0.20001027193233.023f8700@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> writes:G >At 10:37 PM 10/27/00 +0000, Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:sH >>I haven't been far down this path - haven't, for example, examined theJ >>PHP source code.  My (vague) understanding is that PHP is mostly writtenJ >>in PERL, and that it relies heavily on the DBD::databasename modules for >>Perl.1 >II >Nope. :) PHP doesn't have anything to do directly with perl--there's no  L >source overlap or anything. It was designed (or so I've been told) to do a 3 >lot of what perl does in CGI, but that's about it.,  L Oops.  Thanks for clearing that up.  (Shows that not enough tech people are F reading MicroTimes, I think; I said, approximately, that PHP::Perl as , Zope::Python, and nobody beat me up for it.) >MC >>   (There isn't a DBD::Rdb, although there is one for Oracle that,J >>(once you get it linked, which is apparently a hassle) runs on VMS.  Dan >>Sugalski has done this.) >eM >It used to be a lot easier. At one point it was a clean build, but either I nK >got it wrong or the procedures have changed. I don't have Oracle any more -G >to do this with, alas. DBD::Oracle will probably work with any of the rL >Oracle releases of Rdb, BTW, though getting it linked might be rather more F >fun than most folks would like. (Allegedly Rdb has an OCI compatible < >interface, but I've not ever had Rdb around to try it with)  M Rdb has an OCI-compatible interface, or it can have; you have to run a scriptsL against any database that you want to be able to participate in SQL*Net thatF will create imitations of the system relations Oracle expects to find.  M I have Rdb, but if I understand everything correctly, I would need to installtJ enough of Oracle to be able to link with the Oracle libraries in order to K build DBD::Oracle in order to try to talk with Rdb, which, since I've nevernK installed Oracle and never built a Perl module, is probably more fun than IpL have time to get into.  (Stanford has a site license for Oracle, so it isn't a money problem.)   G I could try hiring an experienced consultant to build DBD::Oracle on mycG system, but that would immediately become a money problem, and I'd look : pretty stupid if it didn't talk properly to Rdb after all.   -- Alan   O ===============================================================================-0  Alan Winston --- WINSTON@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDUM  Disclaimer: I speak only for myself, not SLAC or SSRL   Phone:  650/926-3056bM  Physical mail to: SSRL -- SLAC BIN 69, PO BOX 4349, STANFORD, CA  94309-0210mO ===============================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:38:06 -0400o" From: Dan Sugalski <dan@sidhe.org> Subject: Re: PHP for VMS?c; Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.0.20001027212919.02489390@24.8.96.48>s  F At 11:52 PM 10/27/00 +0000, Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:J >In article <5.0.0.25.0.20001027193233.023f8700@24.8.96.48>, Dan Sugalski  ><dan@sidhe.org> writes:I > >At 10:37 PM 10/27/00 +0000, Alan Winston - SSRL Admin Cmptg Mgr wrote:-J > >>I haven't been far down this path - haven't, for example, examined theL > >>PHP source code.  My (vague) understanding is that PHP is mostly writtenL > >>in PERL, and that it relies heavily on the DBD::databasename modules for	 > >>Perl.i > >xJ > >Nope. :) PHP doesn't have anything to do directly with perl--there's noM > >source overlap or anything. It was designed (or so I've been told) to do aR5 > >lot of what perl does in CGI, but that's about it.v > L >Oops.  Thanks for clearing that up.  (Shows that not enough tech people areF >reading MicroTimes, I think; I said, approximately, that PHP::Perl as- >Zope::Python, and nobody beat me up for it.):  I Or the tech people that read it don't use PHP much. It's amazing how big :F the field's gotten and how little overlap between some areas there is.  E > >>   (There isn't a DBD::Rdb, although there is one for Oracle that0L > >>(once you get it linked, which is apparently a hassle) runs on VMS.  Dan > >>Sugalski has done this.) > >.N > >It used to be a lot easier. At one point it was a clean build, but either IL > >got it wrong or the procedures have changed. I don't have Oracle any moreH > >to do this with, alas. DBD::Oracle will probably work with any of theM > >Oracle releases of Rdb, BTW, though getting it linked might be rather moretG > >fun than most folks would like. (Allegedly Rdb has an OCI compatibleo> > >interface, but I've not ever had Rdb around to try it with) >uN >Rdb has an OCI-compatible interface, or it can have; you have to run a scriptM >against any database that you want to be able to participate in SQL*Net that@G >will create imitations of the system relations Oracle expects to find.P > N >I have Rdb, but if I understand everything correctly, I would need to installJ >enough of Oracle to be able to link with the Oracle libraries in order toL >build DBD::Oracle in order to try to talk with Rdb, which, since I've neverL >installed Oracle and never built a Perl module, is probably more fun than IM >have time to get into.  (Stanford has a site license for Oracle, so it isn'tn >a money problem.)  K I don't know what bits of Rdb you need to install, though I'd be surprised iI if you really needed any bits from Oracle's own DB. (Not that surprised, oJ but a little) I'd bet the core Rdb distribution's got everything you need.  K It's also possible (though not hugely likely) that DBD::Oracle would build s, pretty much straight out of the box for Rdb.  : Hey, worst case you give it a shot and it doesn't work. :)  H >I could try hiring an experienced consultant to build DBD::Oracle on myH >system, but that would immediately become a money problem, and I'd look; >pretty stupid if it didn't talk properly to Rdb after all.n  A Bleah. Install the bits on SSRL and drop me a line first. Rather - significantly cheaper... ;-)   					Dan  I --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- 2 Dan Sugalski                          even samurai? dan@sidhe.org                         have teddy bears and even0;                                       teddy bears get drunk1   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:22:55 -0400 2 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" <DRAGON@compuserve.com>. Subject: Re: Print drivers for OKI printers???7 Message-ID: <200010272323_MC2-B8A3-7B42@compuserve.com>0  F         Perhaps because the laser printer is not equipped with barcode fonts?  " Message text written by Ray PhelanC >I can currentlly print barcodes on an OKI 3320 printer from my VMS B system.  If I send the exact same output to an OKI Page 10i (laserE printer) , it does not print the barcodes, but everything else is OK.o  E I have spoke to OKI, but they are unable to help me.  Do I need printIG drivers for the OKI Page 10i or does anybody else know why this printer  will not print the barcodes.  =    <i   ------------------------------    Date: 27 Oct 2000 14:32:45 -0400/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)d" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?* Message-ID: <8tchod$qnl$1@lisa.gemair.com>  2 In article <39f9a373.1558268201@news.newsguy.com>,& Alan Greig <A.Greig@virgin.net> wrote:> >On 27 Oct 2000 09:47:34 -0400, jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan >Henderson) wrote: >i >>I >>Another inaccuracy above is that Oracle Rdb runs only in OpenVMS.  It'suH >>been available, and continues to be available, for Tru64 UNIX for some >>time.- > F >I was under the impression myself that the Unix port had been droppedE >as well. I know DEC completed the port before selling to Oracle. Thea? >Oracle RDB web pages do not mention Tru-64. More tellingly thef* >Statement of Direction only mentions VMS. >-  > Ooops.  I do believe you are right.  I guess I was basing thisA on some (nearly) current documentation that continues to mention   the DEC Unix version.    >--  >Alan GreigS   -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.comw   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:13:25 -0400 / From: "Webb, William W" <wwebb1@email.usps.gov> + Subject: SALON.COM article:  Doomed by eBay-I Message-ID: <D46FE9B132FB9B44AEC242A96E4AB7502CB2A3@rlghncst625.usps.gov>d   The saga continues:m   DOOMED BY EBAY  6 A little less than three years ago, I quit my day job 4 to become a full-time eBay seller, making my living 7 selling collectibles through online auctions. At first e1 my luck astonished me. I was drunk with success, r1 earning three times what I had been paid by more F conventional employment. c  7 Lately, however, my eBay business, like the businesses 64 of so many other eBay sellers, who depend either in 6 part or whole on eBay sales to pay their mortgage and 2 put food in front of their children, has stumbled 4 drastically. It isn't because I don't know my game. 5 I am closing in on 850 positive feedback points from e happy bidders.         Read the rest at:-  F http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2000/10/27/doomed_by_ebay/index.html   ================== William W. Webb: Sr. OpenVMS Systems Support8 DSCMF/OSS/MS, USPS
 (919)874-3043n   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 23:21:25 GMT' From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk (D.Webb)t' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugherP0 Message-ID: <8td2ll$bpq$1@aquila.news.mdx.ac.uk>  ] In article <39F95D82.606B75A8@uk.sun.com>, andrew harrison <andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com> writes:e >Jordan Henderson wrote: >> D0 >> In article <972438729.683982@sj-nntpcache-5>,4 >>   shawbrow@delilah.cisco.com (Shawn Brown) wrote:. >> > In article <8t22fk$f71$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,2 >> > Jordan Henderson  <jordan@my-deja.com> wrote: >> > >G >> > >But, we've been told that you can patch Solaris with no downtime,g. >> > >just like you can with OpenVMS clusters. >> >H >> > Sure you can.  You can patch a suncluster or a vcs cluster by doing! >> > rolling upgrades.  La de da.A >> >* >> > >What is it that you are doing wrong? >> >I >> > Don't be a jackass.  Apparently that's fairly difficult for you, butt >> > lets try.  OK?  >> pB >> I was just asking a question.  I don't know much about patchingH >> Solaris, but you seemed to be providing a data point that it's not as* >> seemless as some would have us believe. >>  A >Solaris 8 allows you to patch it while it is running. One poster @ >on this group pointed out that this is used to apply temporary E >patches to the running OS. But you can of course patch the image on sA >disk as well so that your "temporary" patch becomes "permanent" a >when the OS is rebooted.  >i  C As I asked for last time you posted this. Please supply evidence ofoC this ability to patch the image on disk (whilst the system is stillmK running). VMS can in general do this (Though I am not sure VMS engineering fN would go so far as to claim it can always be done) because running images willF still refer to the previous version. However solaris does not support  multiple versions of files.o  I If the images you are referring to patching are read into memory when theSN system boots and the files are never therafter accessed then yes you should beE able to do what you claim. However I would suspect that the domain ofa< applicability for such patching would be relatively limited.      ? >Of course Shawn may not be running Solaris 8 in which case youwA >upgrade a node in the cluster and re-boot it just as you do withh
 >OpenVMS.  >f   Andrew,w  C I don't know very much about Solaris Clusters but do multiple nodes,I share any of the main unix partitions (/, /usr, /var etc) in the same way-F that multiple VMS systems can share a system disk or does each Solaris; cluster node have to have all its own OS  executables etc ?       
 David Webb VMS and Unix team leader CCSS Middlesex University         >Regards >Andrew Harrison >Enterprise IT Architect   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 21:13:55 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Re: TEK 4111 emulator?e, Message-ID: <8tcr6j$i2h@gap.cco.caltech.edu>   In article <AF635758014253B7.B525B5A0D39C1108.45A5D3FDE8D564DD@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:rD >I am looking for a TEK 4111 emulator for VAX/VMS V7.1 and eXcursion >V3.0. > I >The TEK display needs to appear on the PC screen.  Ideally, it should besG >addressable as a device from the VAX (although I have some flexibilityg >there). >k" >Does anyone have any suggestions? >o  6 TeratermPro does Tektronix 4105, is that close enough?  ;    ftp://riksun.riken.go.jp/pub/pc/misc/terminal/teraterm/ e    you can also get ssh for it from  (   http://www.zip.com.au/~roca/ttssh.html   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu ? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech t   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 12:09:52 PDTT From: Fairfield@SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Ken Fairfield; SLAC: 650-926-2924; FAX: 926-3515)1 Subject: Re: Virtual addresses with Multinet-4.2?r3 Message-ID: <FsOQYkcRBMS5@mccdev.slac.stanford.edu>   & In article <2000Oct27.082939@hujicc>, =     yehavi@vms.huji.ac.il (Yehavi Bourvine (58-4279)) writes:   O >   I am running Multinet-4.2 on a VMS system and would like to have virtual IP=J > addresses in order to have more than one WEB servers running on the sameN > machine on the same port. In the past I did this with faked SLIP interfaces.* > Is there a more elegant way of doing so?  H         I'm not sure precisely what you mean, but if it's what I _think_H     you mean, Multinet supports  a  "pseudo-device"  which allows you toH     hang  multiple  IP addresses of a single physical  interface.   It'sH     very easy to configure (although I don't have details to hand at the     moment).  H         OK, I took a  quick  look.   This  "pd"  interface is latent butH     apparently  undocumented.  I learned about it from the good folks atH     Process Software.  For each additional IP  address  you  want  on  aH     given  interface (in this example, I'll use se0 and ADD pd0), do the     following:           $ mu confd
         [...]l         NET-CONFIG>add pd09         [Adding new configuration entry for device "pd0"]c#         Hardware Device: [NONE] se1 (         IP Address: [NONE] 134.79.50.121,         IP SubNet Mask: [NONE] 255.255.252.01         Non-Standard IP Broadcast Address: [NONE]e?         [pd0 (Secondary Ethernet Address): Csr=NONE, Flags=%X0]s         NET-CONFIG>showp
         [...]hR         pd0      (Secondary Ethernet Address)     -NONE-       -NONE-       -NONE-C                   [TCP/IP: 123.45.67.123, IP-SubNet: 255.255.255.0]h(                   [Hardware-Device: se0]         NET-CONFIG>d  G     One assumes you'll have the IP address for pd0 entered in your DNS.n           -Ken --  M  Kenneth H. Fairfield            |  Internet: Fairfield@SLC.Slac.Stanford.Edus:  SLAC, 2575 Sand Hill Rd, MS 46  |  Voice:    650-926-2924:  Menlo Park, CA  94025           |  FAX:      650-926-3515N  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------B  These opinions are mine, not SLAC's, Stanford's, nor the DOE's...   ------------------------------  % Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 22:41:52 +0000i# From: Christof <brass@infopuls.com>e0 Subject: Re: What VMS format are these files in?, Message-ID: <39FA04B0.8ECD4D1D@infopuls.com>   hein@eps.zko.dec.c*m wrote:u > V > In article <39F8B5C8.8D99070C@infopuls.com>, Christof <brass@infopuls.com> writes..." > >Ever thought about convert/fdl?G > >Till now I solved every single conversion/transfer problem that way.r > I > Right. This can help to make the VMS file palatable on the foreing box. I > Specifically, for a 'text' file to go to a Unix box you may want to use 4 >         $CONVERT/FDL=SYS$INPUT vms.dat foreign.dat" >         RECORD; FORMAT STREAM_LF >         $-O > After that you can use binary transfer mode (Use STREAM for NT... but beware, 9 > this format will drop leading binary zeroes on records)  > N > If the file came to the VMS box 'broken', then sometimes it is just a matterF > of the registred file attributes not mathing the actuall attributes.I > For example a 'text' file showing up (DIR/FULL) as fixed-length-512 canL- > often be fixed by: $SET FILE/ATTR=RFM=STMLF P > No data will be moved/changed by this command, just a file header data change. > O > Now if the actual data got munged during the transfer and you can not resend, L > then be sure to check out EXCHANGE /NET. It's /FDL and /TRANSFER_MODE haveO > some deblocking, delimiter options that may be able to fixed the data withouty  > having to write speficic code. >  > hthw >         Hein.,  ? Right. I have a set of fdl files at hand for various conversion> needs.> I also use the $set file/attr command where appropriate having; also a set of DCL files at hand for various sort of virtual( conversion needs.d? But I also use $mc dfu on VMS versions where the $set file/attr = command is not yet available or for changing parameters whiche> cannot be changed with $set file/attr. The $mc dfu set command5 lets you change /recsize, /vfcsize and /organization.e   ------------------------------   Date: 27 Oct 2000 20:14:10 GMT2 From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman)@ Subject: Re: ZIP broke after upgrade from VMS 7.1-2 to VMS 7.2-16 Message-ID: <8tcnmi$4ek$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>  G In article <8tc8nk$q0j$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, byatesiii@my-deja.com writes:gF :>   Known problem with older versions of Zip, including the pre-builtF :>   version that shipped on Freeware V4.  Please see the OpenVMS FAQ.1 : ...I don't see anything in the most recent FAQsa8 : I can find (both at the website and in the newsgroup).  :   From section SOFT1 in the (current) 17-Aug-2000 edition:   ..  L If you get the packages via WWW or FTP, they're in ZIP format which requiresJ the UNZIP (note: this is not Gnu gunzip!) tool to unpack.  You can get ZIP# and UNZIP from the following areas:t  .   ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/unzip.exe        ! VAX0   ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/unzip.alpha_exe  ! Alpha*   ftp://ftp.wku.edu/vms/fileserv/UNZIP.ZIP/   http://www.decus.de:8080/www/vms/sw/zip.htmlx ,   http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/zip.html.   http://home.earthlink.net/~djesys/unzip.html  E or you can request the FILESERV_TOOLS package from the e-mail server.   C [Beware: The [000TOOLS...] pre-built versions of ZIP on the OpenVMSoF Freeware V4 CD-ROM will erroneously return BILF errors on OpenVMS V7.2C and later.  Use of the source on the Freeware V4 to rebuild the ZIP H image(s), or acquiring a pre-built ZIP image from one of the above areasG can avoid this.  The pre-built version of ZIP on the Freeware V4 kit is=C older than the included ZIP sources, and it contains a latent bug.]T    I   The on-line HTML version of the OpenVMS FAQ is probably more difficult 0D   to use (it is harder to search) than is a monolithic text version.  H   I've also had reports that the HTML version of the FAQ posted at some    of the websites is outdated.  H   I'll be posting out another edition in November, as various URLs have F   rotted and as there will be changes made to various email addresses (   (including my address here at Compaq).  N  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------L    Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoffman#xdelta.zko.dec.com   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.602 ************************