1 INFO-VAX	Sat, 28 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 603       Contents:# Re: C++ & Ada Upgrade advice needed  Disk mounting problem  Re: Disk mounting problem  Re: Disk mounting problem  Re: Disk mounting problem  Re: Disk mounting problem  Re: Disk mounting problem  Re: Disk mounting problem  Re: Disk performance under VMS
 Re: F$LOGICAL 
 Re: F$LOGICAL $ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed$ Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed+ including form setup mods in PDF conversion  Re: Microsoft gets hacked  Re: Microsoft gets hacked 0 Narrow compatible SCSI controller for OpenVMS...4 Re: Narrow compatible SCSI controller for OpenVMS... Re: NFS Client using UCX Re: open an Imac? ( Re: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT( RE: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NT5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers 5 Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers  RE: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: TEK 4111 emulator? Re: TEK 4111 emulator? Re: UCX 5.0 and SMTP relay Re: VMS in the first sentence!  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 09:57:49 +0100 0 From: Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com>, Subject: Re: C++ & Ada Upgrade advice needed. Message-ID: <39FA950D.38F737CC@dial.pipex.com>   Jefferson Humber wrote:   L > We currently have an old system that we are upgrading, but am after advice7 > about the two compilers that are currently installed.  > * > At the moment the following are running; >   >         DEC C++        v.1.2-0  >         DEC Ada        v.2.3-3 > M > But I am contemplating upgrading these to the following versions (which are   > believe are the most current); > ( >         DEC / Compaq C++        v.5.6C) >         DEC / Compaq Ada         v.3.5A  > J > What I need to know is are there traps or pitfalls in upgrading to these# > versions, as the leap is massive.  > M > I remember when we upgraded another system from VAX C to DEC C, quite a lot L > of re-coding was required and was wondering if this would be true for this > upgrade as well ???  > N > If anybody can offer any advice, or if anybody has performed such an upgradeK > before I would really appreciate hearing their experiences on the matter.  > M > The operating system has been upgraded from v.5.5-2H4  to v.7.1 as well, if + > that helps in offering advice in any way.  >  >   L We've had very few problems upgrading Ada over the years.  In most cases allO that is needed is a rebuild of the libraries and away you go.  The only changes M to code that were required tended to be where we had workarounds for compiler N bugs!  The biggest problem was migrating to 7.1.  The debugger broke on one ofO our Vax clusters for a start.  The linker was not too happy mixing object files P from different versions of VMS, even if the compiler was identical.  In additionK to this Motif, was upgraded from 1.23 to 1.24 and caused numerous problems, J especially where we had common code across Vax and Alpha.  As for C++, theM language itself has changed so much that I am guessing that 1.2-0 is not ANSI  and is hence out of date.    Hope this helps.   Bruce    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:04:07 +0100 0 From: Bruce Pagram <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com> Subject: Disk mounting problem. Message-ID: <39FA9687.D35376FC@dial.pipex.com>   Good morning  @ Is it possible to mount a volume on one cluster from a different( cluster?  NFS is out due to lack of UCX.   Thanks in advance    Bruce    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:59:49 +0200 2 From: "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomas.pauli@t-online.de>" Subject: Re: Disk mounting problem* Message-ID: <39FABFB5.8030801@t-online.de>  	 Hi Bruce,    unfortunately, no.   Thomas   Bruce Pagram wrote:    > Good morning > B > Is it possible to mount a volume on one cluster from a different* > cluster?  NFS is out due to lack of UCX. >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Bruce  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:16:13 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>" Subject: Re: Disk mounting problem( Message-ID: <8tej0q$n1b$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  I There used to be a product called Distributed File System which made this 	 possible. F No idea about its current status. It ran with VMS 4.7 ans VMS 5.x (but
 unfortunately  my memory stops there...)   
 Hans Vlems  ( Bruce Pagram heeft geschreven in bericht% <39FA9687.D35376FC@dial.pipex.com>... 
 >Good morning  > A >Is it possible to mount a volume on one cluster from a different ) >cluster?  NFS is out due to lack of UCX.  >  >Thanks in advance >  >Bruce >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:47:21 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net " Subject: Re: Disk mounting problem9 Message-ID: <39facaff$2$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   / In <39FABFB5.8030801@t-online.de>, on 10/28/00  B    at 01:59 PM, "Thomas H. Pauli" <thomas.pauli@t-online.de> said:  E Technically...if the cluster is using very old disks that support the : "dual porting" feature, yes.  But I wouldn't recommend it.   Roland  
 >Hi Bruce,   >unfortunately, no.    >Thomas    >Bruce Pagram wrote:   >> Good morning  >>  C >> Is it possible to mount a volume on one cluster from a different + >> cluster?  NFS is out due to lack of UCX.  >>   >> Thanks in advance >>   >> Bruce >>     --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:09:08 -0400 * From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>" Subject: Re: Disk mounting problem+ Message-ID: <39FADE04.CB54393A@rtfmcsi.com>    Bruce Pagram wrote:    > Good morning > B > Is it possible to mount a volume on one cluster from a different* > cluster?  NFS is out due to lack of UCX. >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Bruce   D You might try going to http://www.advsyscon.com and looking at theirB DeviceShare product.  It allows you to share disk and tape devicesE between non-clustered systems over the network via TCP/IP and DECnet. 4 It might allow you to do what you are wanting to do.     -- Chuck Chopp   8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax4 Greer, SC  29651                  800 400 4935 pagerC                                   8004004935@alphapage.airtouch.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:28:56 -0400  From: stan@stanq.com" Subject: Re: Disk mounting problem. Message-ID: <39FAAA68.30378.589DF6E@localhost>  - On 28 Oct 2000, at 10:04, Bruce Pagram wrote: B > Is it possible to mount a volume on one cluster from a different* > cluster?  NFS is out due to lack of UCX.  E No, but you can access the files using DECnet.  Maybe you can create   a logical name:   / 	$ define/sys/exec DISK$XYZ XYZ::SYS$SYSDEVICE:    Haven't tried this, tho...   --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671 1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.com    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 18:04:49 +0100 1 From: "Graham HAZLEGREAVES" <qg38@dial.pipex.com> " Subject: Re: Disk mounting problem) Message-ID: <8tf19t$ir0$1@lure.pipex.net>   	 Hi Bruce,   ; SLS comes with a utility to remotely mount disks and tapes.   J I've used it for tape decks (worked a treat) but never tried it for disks.  I Unfortunately this probably won't be of any help if you're not using SLS!    Cheers.    Graham  = "Bruce Pagram" <bruce.pagram@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message ( news:39FA9687.D35376FC@dial.pipex.com... > Good morning > B > Is it possible to mount a volume on one cluster from a different* > cluster?  NFS is out due to lack of UCX. >  > Thanks in advance  >  > Bruce  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:54:35 +0200 " From: "Hans Vlems" <hvlems@iae.nl>' Subject: Re: Disk performance under VMS ( Message-ID: <8tel8u$r13$1@news.IAEhv.nl>  7 Hmm, not sure I understand Compaq's explanation at all. ? I assume that high LBN's are on the outside of the disk, right? < On "traditional" disks the sectors/track ratio was constant.> In other words the inner track had as many sectors (blocks) asB the outer track. Since such a disk runs at constant rpms the outerC track runs at higher linear speed than the inner track. Because the D outer track is correspondingly bigger, it takes as much time to read5 an outer track (block) as it does for an inner block:   H  v=w*r  (where v is the linear speed [m/s], w the angular speed [revs/s]&               and r is the radis [m]).  L For these disks there is no performance advantage for the the transfer ratesG as a function of the track position. BUT: if you need to read, say, the 
 index fileK of the bitmap between everey read then there is a difference. If that other  fileJ sits on the inside then the head must travel a lot more if your program is writing an outerG track. That's why you have (had?) control over where the indexf.sys and  bitmaps.sys G files are placed on a disk. IIRC, INIT will put them on a middle track. L Note that track-to-track movements are much more expensive (in elapsed time) than transfer rates.  D So the effect is the the number of bits per mm is a lot lower on theL outer track than on the inner track. So disk designers started to wonder: if the bit density K of the inner track is good enough to store and read bits on/from, why don't  we use that J same density on the outer tracks. The result is that there would fit a lot more sectorsJ on the outer track. This is called banding and modern disk (since the RZ26 or so) use this.  J It means that the outer track may have two, four or eight times the blocks that the innerJ tracks have. The output rate at that time thus correspondingly higher. For large files it would7 reduce head movements because it occupies fewer tracks. A It could help to INIT the disk and put the index file at the end:     
 INITIALIZE     /INDEX           /INDEX=position   >      Specifies the location of the index file for the volume's<      directory structure. Possible positions are as follows:  '      BEGINNING  Beginning of the volume .      MIDDLE     Middle of the volume (default)!      END        End of the volume =      BLOCK:n    Beginning of the logical block specified by n     L Somebody else referred to Ken Bates. Try to get hold of one of his tutorials on disk * performance. Worth their weight in Osmium.  
 Hans Vlems  0 a_haines@my-deja.com heeft geschreven in bericht  <8t8keo$rvn$1@nnrp1.deja.com>...E >We have some very performance critical systems that also need to log H >information to disk. So, I have been doing some investigation into diskA >I/O performance (such as comparing RMS block I/O with Fast I/O).  > B >The configuration is VMS V7.1-2, 4 CPU ES40, 8192MB memory, HSZ80B >controller, OpenVMS shadow set of two Compaq BA03611C9B (17769177H >block) disks. The maximum_cached_transfer_size on the controller is set >to 127 for all disks. > C >One test is to create a 500,000 block file at the beginning of the E >empty disk and fill it with zeros using 127 block writes (either RMS D >block I/O or $IO_PERFORMs). I record the elapsed & CPU time for theF >write operations (not for file creation/deletion), then move the fileG >1,000,000 LBN's down the disk and repeat the test, repeating until the  >end of the disk.  > G >It takes twice as long (35 seconds) to write the file at the end (high E >LBN) of the disk than it does at the beginning (low LBN) of the disk  >(18 seconds). >  >Compaq have said: > F >Data transfer at the beginning of a disk is faster then at the end of( >the disk. There are 2 reasons for this:G > 1- at the start there are more sectors per rotation, so in 1 rotation # >more sectors/data can be accessed. F > 2- at the end of the disk has less sectors per rotation resulting in >more headmovements. > A >This is not what I expected. Does anyone have any views on this?  >  > ' >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/  >Before you buy.   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:07:26 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL5 Message-ID: <01JVVQOMF2R6005WPE@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Roland,   E >If I remember correctly this is a very old lexical function which is J >deliberately depreciating.  Documentation is removed, but the function isH >left in place as is so existing production code doesn't break at client0 >sites.  New modules are supposed to use trnlog.    M I suspect you meant f$trnlnm.  This is the only lexical in help lexicals (at   least from 6.2 onwards).  Q There seems to be a lot of confusion within the lexicals and the system services   and the LIB$ RTL.   Q There was some discussion a while ago about this, and IIRC Hoff was going to get  0 the obsolete and current references "corrected".  N There seems to be no change at 7.2.  It would be nice to have my programs and 3 DCL modules using a common documented service call.    Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia    Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 08:42:57 -0400 ) From: yyyc186.illegaltospam_@flashcom.net  Subject: Re: F$LOGICAL9 Message-ID: <39faca73$1$lllp186$mr2ice@news.flashcom.com>   : In <01JVVQOMF2R6005WPE@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>, on 10/28/00 5    at 07:07 PM, paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au said:    >Roland,  F >>If I remember correctly this is a very old lexical function which isK >>deliberately depreciating.  Documentation is removed, but the function is I >>left in place as is so existing production code doesn't break at client 1 >>sites.  New modules are supposed to use trnlog.     I >I suspect you meant f$trnlnm.  This is the only lexical in help lexicals  >(at  least from 6.2 onwards).  I Yes I did.  I thought about that AFTER I had hit send...guess that's what 6 I get for publishing without running a sample program.  H >There seems to be a lot of confusion within the lexicals and the system >services  and the LIB$ RTL.  I All I know is that the SYS$ services to create logicals aren't documented F well.  I had to find them in the header files.  Don't care if they areG "obsolete" or supposed to be hidden.  I had a lot of detached processes E that needed to set group level logicals.  Using the "login" trick was . combersome.  Using the SYS$ calls was perfect.  J >There was some discussion a while ago about this, and IIRC Hoff was going9 >to get  the obsolete and current references "corrected".   J >There seems to be no change at 7.2.  It would be nice to have my programs9 >and  DCL modules using a common documented service call.    >Regards, Paddy    >Paddy O'Brien,  >Transmission Development, >TransGrid,  >PO Box A1000, Sydney South,   >NSW 2000, Australia   >Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063  >Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050 ' >Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au   F >Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for mostD >people, but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.     --  ; ----------------------------------------------------------- D yyyc186@flashcom.net              To Respond delete ".illegaltospam"6                             MR/2 Internet Cruiser 2.2a8                             For a Microsoft free univers; -----------------------------------------------------------    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 02:14:41 -0400 - From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> - Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seed , Message-ID: <39FA6EC2.3B1E020C@videotron.ca>   Jerry Leslie wrote: ( > : DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$FTP_NO_VERSION 1 > UCX$FTP_NO_VERSION    - Is there a reason why this is not a default ?k   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 15:33:08 GMT + From: Craig A. Berry <calepine@my-deja.com>n- Subject: Re: FTP from VMS to the demon's seedk) Message-ID: <8terjk$p60$1@nnrp1.deja.com>d  , In article <39FA5482.B6F2E6A3@videotron.ca>,0   JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote: > Terry Kennedy wrote:* > > > DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$FTP_NO_VERSION 1 > > >fG > > > IF you define this logica, VMS does not send file version numbersl when youD > > > enter mget and the ls commands to a host that is not VMS host. > >eD > >   You need to be more specific as to _which_ TCP/IP product (and version) > > you're talking about...d > F > Well, I thought it was quite obvious from the logical name :-) TCPIP servicesA > (I am at 5.0, and I would assume this also works for subsequente
 versions). > This is the successor to UCX.   B You might well be (and perhaps should be) using MadGoat FTP serverD and/or client even if your TCP/IP stack is UCX/TCPIP Services.  With@ MadGoat, the /RETAIN qualifier on the client side specifies thatA version numbers be propagated, but /NORETAIN is the default.  TheeG default can be set, however.  I don't see a setting on the server side, D but it appears that it only feeds version numbers to the client when$ the client explicitly asks for them.    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:05:34 GMT  From: hnbowman@my-deja.com4 Subject: including form setup mods in PDF conversion) Message-ID: <8tetga$qh1$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  0 i am looking for a report distribution solution.0 what i want to do is to convert my OpenVMS print1 files into a PDF or PS format.  i have found manyi0 tools that will do this, but i cannot find a way0 to retain the formatting that is provided by the- OpenVMS form setup modules.  the PDF/PS filesf0 must be able to be formatted using the CPI, LPI,. and LINES modules from a control library.  any ideas?  	 thanks --o heathera    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.I   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:49:13 +0010h% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auo" Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hacked5 Message-ID: <01JVVS5EYMQQ005WKR@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    > 1 >I'm surprised it hasn't happened before now. :-)  >  >t6 >http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/10/27/technology/microsoft/  P Hmmm, in the first sentence it talks about the world's most powerful technology 5 company.  Isn't Microsoft and technology an oxymoron?o  Q This was also on the evening news here in Sydney about an hour ago.  The gist of tQ the news item was similar in that they only gained access to "future" products.  SJ [If anything can be called a "product" from Microsoft, it must be future.]  N They also said that the hacking was done by an email loophole, with mail to a G Microsoft employee giving them access when he clicked on an attachment.e  N With the past n virus alerts being caused by attachments to Microsoft mail, I Q would have thought that anyone internal who had such access that could be passed  K on would be very sensitive to his/her own mail system, and particularly to c attachments.   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,o
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiar   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.s   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:28:15 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>" Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hacked+ Message-ID: <VA.00000138.013a3941@sture.ch>o  = In article <01JVVS5EYMQQ005WKR@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>,  wrote:k' > From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  > Newsgroups: comp.os.vms-$ > Subject: Re: Microsoft gets hacked' > Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 19:49:13 +0010< >  > >e3 > >I'm surprised it hasn't happened before now. :-)  > >0 > >$8 > >http://cnnfn.cnn.com/2000/10/27/technology/microsoft/ > G > Hmmm, in the first sentence it talks about the world's most powerful t technology w7 > company.  Isn't Microsoft and technology an oxymoron?t > G > This was also on the evening news here in Sydney about an hour ago.  F The gist of H > the news item was similar in that they only gained access to "future"  products.  tD > [If anything can be called a "product" from Microsoft, it must be  future.] > F > They also said that the hacking was done by an email loophole, with 
 mail to a > > Microsoft employee giving them access when he clicked on an  attachment.o > H > With the past n virus alerts being caused by attachments to Microsoft  mail, I C > would have thought that anyone internal who had such access that u could be passed = > on would be very sensitive to his/her own mail system, and y particularly to  > attachments. >oE I have to include this, because it's the first time I've seen such a c+ public blast against MS from such a source.u  E Note this comes from the City Editor, not just some hack, in today's v (London) Daily Telegraph.   G -----------------------------------------------------------------------n Unlocked Windows City Editor's comment-  - Microsoft humiliated as hackers crack Windows-  @ JANET RENO must be scratching her head. After nearly a decade of@ massive US government expense involving dozens of investigators @ traipsing through Microsoft's systems and Seattle headquarters, G America's attorney-general is still years away from nailing Bill Gates.-  = Maybe she should visit Russia. Whoever hacked their way into hD Microsoft's Redmond campus has taken just three months to scare the H life out of the world's richest man. It is the FBI, which ironically is E part of Reno's Department of Justice, which is crawling all over the rG place. Whether it is a lamentable act of software espionage or a prank iF by another bored 15-year-old computer geek remains to be seen, but it B will cause shockwaves through the industry, even though the stock ( market shrugged off the issue yesterday.  F If Microsoft can have its firewalls breached, then everyone else must F be at risk, not least from corrupted versions of the Windows software 3 on which they all rely infecting their own systems.   H Yet Microsoft is notorious in the computer industry for security flaws. B There are enough holes and bugs in the company's software to give F mischief-makers months of fun. A new bug seems to emerge almost daily C and critics say Microsoft's attitude is partly responsible for the  8 Melissa and Love Bug viruses that caused so much damage.  H The industry is full of Microsoft-haters, who are unwittingly helped by G the open architecture net culture the company works so hard to promote. G Microsoft receives thousands of emails a day, many with attachments andrD downloadable programmes, and one company executive recently boasted - that he had 800 unread messages in his queue.o  E A blanket ban would remove the flow of ideas and technology that has SG made Microsoft mighty. Scares like yesterday's are the price it has to  = pay, along with the millions of dollars to computer security  E consultants who have joined the gravy train. In her quieter moments, :+ Mrs Reno may wish that she was one of them.   G ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 6 Gasp - /boasting/ that you have 800 unread messages!!!    G PS The full article contains the author's email address, which I won't  D reproduce to save him from the spambots we get here. You'll need to H register to read the article however. You can find the link off today's F (Sat 28-Oct-2000) front page underneath the lead article as "See City 	 Comment".S ___ 
 Paul Sture Switzerlandu   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 12:08:21 -04003& From: Dick Munroe <munroe@csworks.com>9 Subject: Narrow compatible SCSI controller for OpenVMS...m4 Message-ID: <v04210124b620aa0dbcb7@[140.186.88.130]>  A Anybody have an recommendations?  I still have a bunch of narrow -D devices that I don't want to throw away.  Are there any PCI OpenVMS F compatible controllers out there for OpenVMS?  Preferably not costing  an arm and a leg?s   TIAn   Dick Munroes --+ Dick Munroe			(E) mailto:munroe@csworks.com - Cottage Software Works, Inc.	(O) 978 815 1622e PMB 361				(F) 617 489 0328a, 464 Common St.			(W) http://www.acornsw.com/ Belmont, Ma. 02478   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 16:41:36 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>= Subject: Re: Narrow compatible SCSI controller for OpenVMS...h' Message-ID: <G35FpC.DCr@spcuna.spc.edu>,  ( Dick Munroe <munroe@csworks.com> writes:C > Anybody have an recommendations?  I still have a bunch of narrow  F > devices that I don't want to throw away.  Are there any PCI OpenVMS H > compatible controllers out there for OpenVMS?  Preferably not costing  > an arm and a leg?s  C   Your narrow drives are backward-compatible with both wide and LVDhH controllers. I'd suggest getting an LVD controller, so if you eventuallyG upgrade your drives, you'll get top performance. The Compaq 3X-KZPCA-AAlF is a single-channel LVD controller which lists for $379. It's actually@ a Symbios/LSI Logic card, but I assume it has modified firmware.  G   It has a HD68 external connector, so you'll need a cable with that ontJ one end, a 50-pin connector to match your existing enclosure on the other,I and "high 8" terminators in the middle. Take a look at the CS Electronics H page at http://www.scsi-cables.com/line/wdexscsi.htm for various config-	 urations.r  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAa   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:24:54 -0400l From: stan@stanq.com! Subject: Re: NFS Client using UCXi. Message-ID: <39FAA976.16485.5862A8B@localhost>  8 On 27 Oct 2000, at 22:56, bobby.thomas@beasys.com wrote:G > I am trying to mount a UNIX NFS File system onto my OVMS 7.1 Machine.h  F I do this for each share.  The shares are coming from a Red Hat Linux  6.2 box:   $           UCXe4                 MOUNT DNFS0:[BIG] NFS_BIG DISK$BIG -A                         /HOST=192.168.60.3  /PATH="/shares/big" - C                         /PROTECTION=(S:RWED,O:RWED,G:RWED,W:RWED) -o0                         /RETRIES=100 /ADF=CREATE  E I don't know if the "host" has to be an IP address, but it works for   me.D  F You're going to want /ADF=CREATE if you are planing on creating files D on the share that retain their VMS file attributes.  For each file, F it creates a .$ADF$<filename> file (the leading "." hides the file).  A If you do a "ls" on the Unix box, you also see an entry for both V@ "<filename>" and "<filename>;<version>", where "version" is the C highest version number.  This allows you to access the file either t way.  Really cool.     --Stan  
 ----------G Stanley F. Quayle, P.E.   N8SQ   +1 614-868-1363   Fax: +1 614 868-1671(1 8572 North Spring Ct. NW, Pickerington, OH  43147 = Preferred address:  stan@stanq.com       http://www.stanq.comH   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 17:43:15 GMT + From: "Richard Tomkins" <tomkinsr@home.com>z Subject: Re: open an Imac?: Message-ID: <TeEK5.7575$w6.3800169@news3.rdc1.on.home.com>  J I went over to a buddy's place and we were able to mount th eiMac in a jig made out of steel.G We then mounted a dull straight edge on a 20 ton press and voila, afterf4 pushing the press go button, one iMac in two halves.2 I doubt it will ever work again, but what a slice. ;-)a rttp   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 13:50:29 GMTc% From: Uwe Zessin <zessin@my-deja.com>e1 Subject: Re: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NTa) Message-ID: <8telj3$kl0$1@nnrp1.deja.com>8  7 In article <OF09CA6482.FCB92949-ON83256985.0063F0EA@ep-h bc.petrobras.com.br>,s,   fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote:D > This product  looks like commited to the SAN estrategy  of Compaq,= > but I didnt find it related in the SAN homepage ! Did you ?  > ; > http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/OPENVMSD/t  > EH? NTDS goes via LAN, not SAN. Both offer block-oriented disk> access, but that's all. NTDS is even oder that SAN support for OpenVMS.   --
 Uwe Zessin    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 11:01:44 -0500R+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com>@1 Subject: RE: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NTrN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284931@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   FC -   Here is a few pointers:t> http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ntds/index.htmlB http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ntds/ntdsorder.html/ http://www.digital.com/info/SP6080/SP6080HM.HTM   J With the new systems, the EIP (Enterprise Integration Package) is included, and it has NT Disk Service license included.   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantR Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Servicesg Voice: 613-592-4660C Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com       -----Original Message-----) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brc, [mailto:fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br] Sent: October 27, 2000 2:13 PM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comd- Subject: OpenVMS Disk Services for Windows NTi    H This product  looks like commited to the SAN estrategy  of Compaq, but I didnt find it related0 in the SAN homepage ! Did you ?s  9 http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/brochures/OPENVMSD/e   Regards,   FC   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 06:55:31 +0100   From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers+ Message-ID: <VA.00000130.007773b6@sture.ch>e  J In article <8tc7hd$sut$1@mailint03.im.hou.compaq.com>, Hoff Hoffman wrote:4 > From: hoffman@xdelta.zko.dec.nospam (Hoff Hoffman) > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsw@ > Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers  > Date: 27 Oct 2000 15:38:21 GMT >  > i > In article <39F8E26F.6ABC658A@earthlink.net>, "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> writes:rF > :...until that (1000 or 2000) gets exceeded. Again, this is *NOT*, I$ > :repeat __N_O_T__ a finite set!!!! > J >   Pendantic alert: the absolute limit is (of course) the storage that is
     ^^^^^^^^^    To be pedantic...    Sorry, couldn't resist :-) :-)   ___h
 Paul Sture Switzerlandl   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 06:55:32 +0100f  From: Paul Sture <paul@sture.ch>> Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers+ Message-ID: <VA.00000131.0077769b@sture.ch>n  @ In article <8tc032$i34$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Alan E. Feldman wrote:, > From: Alan E. Feldman <alan48@my-deja.com> > Newsgroups: comp.os.vmsr@ > Subject: Re: Question about running out of queue entry numbers% > Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:31:13 GMTS > / > In article <39F8E26F.6ABC658A@earthlink.net>,a< >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote: > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote: > > >c2 > > > In article <39F785DC.DC3C8FB@earthlink.net>,@ > > >   "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:  > > > > "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:F > > > > > Let me rephrase my question. You are the system manager. You	 > want to F > > > > > delete a job called SOME_JOB. So, you issue the command SHOW > ENTRY D > > > > > SOME_JOB to get its entry number. Then, only a few seconds > later (it(F > > > > > takes a few seconds to type it and press RET), you issue the	 > commandnF > > > > > "DELETE/ENTRY entry-number" to delete the job. My concern is > > > whether itI > > > > > is possible that ***during those few seconds***, unbeknownst toe > you,> > > > > > the job SOME_JOB just happens to complete, and then, > subsequently, F > > > > > another user submits a job that just happens to get the same > entry- > > > > > number.- > > > >-, > > > > Well, understand what you're asking: > > > >0 > > > > Example: > > > >eF > > > > 1. There are currently 978 entries in the system, entry 1 thru > 978,F > > > > either executing, pending or holding (/HOLD or timed-release). > > > > - > > > > 2. Entry 765 completes at 22:00:00.00  > > > >e2 > > > > 3. At 22:00:00.50, user XYZ SUBMITs a job. > > > >-F > > > > What you're REALLY asking is, will XYZ's job be assigned entry > number > > > > 765? > > > >: > > >P > > > I know what I was asking.e > > >DH > > > In this case I would not be worried, as there are 22 entry numbers > to > > > spare< > >eH > > How do you *KNOW* that? Have ther EVER been more than 978 entries in > the$% > > system? Can you *GUARANTEE* that?d > F > Can you guarantee that the earth won't be hit by a 200-mile diameterC > asteroid tomorrow, thereby wiping out life as we know it? No, you 1 > can't. But I, for one, am not worried about it.P > H > I have seen the numbers vary between 1 and 1000 at my last job for 2.5F > years straight. Therefore, I think it is reasonable to conlcude thatH > the full range of numbers was 1 thru 1000. And I had a revolving batchE > job running as often as every 5 minutes for those 2.5 years and hadlF > never ever ever seen an entry number outside the range of 1 to 1000. > F > At the job before that, the range was 1 to 2000. Then a power outageE > corrupted the JBCSYSQUE.DAT file and I had to create a new one. The I > range thereafter, with the same version of VMS, became 1 to 1000. BasedsF > on this, it is reasonable to conclude that the initial range is 1 to@ > 1000, which if needed, is expanded by the system to 1 to 2000. >  Consider this:  E I normally see queue entries in a similar sort of range. Trouble is, 2K things can hit quite unexpectedly, such as a few weeks ago, when one of my  I DBAs modified a startup procedure without testing it properly. It looped   around a submit.  E One reboot in the middle of the night later (a hardware problem), we S? arrived next morning to find queue entries exceeding a million.   I This is not the first time I have seen this happen, although thankfully, p6 the only other time I can think of was many years ago.  I Although my recent example was caused by a privileged user, a programmer rI with minimum privileges could make the same mistake last thing at night, j with a similar result.  F > This is not to say you should depend on that always being so as Hoff8 > pointed out: the entry number is an "opaque longword." >  > >j@ > > > (unless I had an app that cranked out many queue jobs veryF > > > quickly -- I believe another poster mentioned just such an app). > > > H > > > > Again, I've never seen a VMS system where the count of available > entrytJ > > > > numbers represented a finite set. So, I'd tend to believe, pending > > > proof  > > >hG > > > I've seen them on different systems cycle from 1 to 1000 and 1 toa > 2000.o > > > Those are finite sets. > >eG > > ...until that (1000 or 2000) gets exceeded. Again, this is *NOT*, II% > > repeat __N_O_T__ a finite set!!!!o > >r6 > > How much more clearly does this need to be stated? > I > The range 1 to 1000 consists of 1000 numbers. 1000 is finite. Therefore G > it is a finite set. If it later expands to 1 to 2000, then it expandslH > to a *larger* finite set. But it is still finite! Can the entry number@ > exceed 2**1000000? Not as a longword, opaque or otherwise. Yet  > 2**1000000 is a finite number. > G > The range of entry numbers is changed by the system as needed, but is  > still finite.r > " > Finite is not the same as fixed. >  > --   ___y
 Paul Sture Switzerlanda   ------------------------------  % Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 10:53:34 -0500n+ From: "Main, Kerry" <Kerry.Main@compaq.com> ' Subject: RE: Sun "uptime" belly laughermN Message-ID: <910612C07BCAD1119AF40000F86AF0D805284930@kaoexc3.kao.cpqcorp.net>   Andrew,-   Combining two replies in one ..c  = >>> Solaris 8 allows you to patch it while it is running. <<<:  F So does OpenVMS. OpenVMS has static parameters and dynamic parameters.K Changing the static ones requires a reboot. Changing dynamic ones does not.d  J So does Solaris 8. Please correct me if I am mistaken, but ALL OS's on ALLJ platforms have some key kernel mode parameters or cache type sizes that if8 it is desired to change them, then a reboot is required.  L >>> Kerry this is just marketing. You cannot do upgrades to a running systemJ with no impact to the users because users have to be disconnected from the* running node that needs to be upgraded.>>>  G Not with OpenVMS clusters. We have Customers that today do this all theo time.   H One great feature of OpenVMS clusters is that this can be done with ZEROJ application availability impact. ie. no fail-over of processes, resources,A no restarting of applications, no disconnecting active users etc.k  I As you have heard me explain many times before - (you must be tired of mev explaining this by now)l  F Using the shared disk architecture (which allows users to log into anyG system for full read-write access to any files on any disks at the sameeJ time) and the TCPIP V5 load brokers load balancing (standard DNS only doesK round robin), you simply disable logins on the system that is planned to be J shutdown. This allows current connections / users to continue working, butJ all NEW connections are directed at other systems in the cluster. A numberI of hours later (next day?), when all db/user connections are all on other-I systems in the cluster, then that system which needs maint (tuning staticoK parameters, OS upgrades using 2 system disk rolling upgrade, OS patches, HW I replace ect) can be shut down with ZERO application availability impact. f  F HW is sized such that as an example - in a three node cluster, any two7 systems can carry peak loads for short periods of time.   I Great feature of this is that no user warnings are required, therefore no  business approval is required.  J Key is to separate SYSTEM availability from APPLICATION availability. WithJ OpenVMS clusters, systems can be shutdown and the applications remain 100%
 available.   Cool eh?   :-)e  L One of the next big issues for vendors in the future is going to be that ourI age old "well of course, our 99.999999x numbers do not included scheduled-< downtime - no one does" is no longer going to be acceptable.  L With the exponentially increasing importance of availability, this will be aL key consideration for those looking at e*Whatever and other mission criticalK applications that can no longer be simply scheduled down for planned maint.s  I For Customers who have vendors in front of them quoting 99.999 (whatever)fG levels of availability, ask them if that includes scheduled system downn times. Then watch them squirm..y   :-)w   Regards,  
 Kerry Main Senior ConsultantA Compaq Canada Inc. Professional Services  Voice: 613-592-4660' Fax  :  819-772-7036 Email: Kerry.Main@Compaq.com     -----Original Message-----7 From: andrew harrison [mailto:andrew.nospam@uk.sun.com]e Sent: October 27, 2000 6:49 AM To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughero     Jordan Henderson wrote:o > / > In article <972438729.683982@sj-nntpcache-5>,o3 >   shawbrow@delilah.cisco.com (Shawn Brown) wrote:n- > > In article <8t22fk$f71$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,n1 > > Jordan Henderson  <jordan@my-deja.com> wrote:  > > >sF > > >But, we've been told that you can patch Solaris with no downtime,- > > >just like you can with OpenVMS clusters.h > >lG > > Sure you can.  You can patch a suncluster or a vcs cluster by doingr  > > rolling upgrades.  La de da. > >r) > > >What is it that you are doing wrong?  > >-H > > Don't be a jackass.  Apparently that's fairly difficult for you, but > > lets try.  OK? > A > I was just asking a question.  I don't know much about patchingtG > Solaris, but you seemed to be providing a data point that it's not asb) > seemless as some would have us believe.t > @ Solaris 8 allows you to patch it while it is running. One poster? on this group pointed out that this is used to apply temporary  D patches to the running OS. But you can of course patch the image on @ disk as well so that your "temporary" patch becomes "permanent"  when the OS is rebooted. j  > Of course Shawn may not be running Solaris 8 in which case you@ upgrade a node in the cluster and re-boot it just as you do with	 OpenVMS. ?   Regardsa Andrew Harrisonr Enterprise IT Architectt   ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:57:59 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: TEK 4111 emulator?n* Message-ID: <39fae977$1@news.kapsch.co.at>   In article <AF635758014253B7.B525B5A0D39C1108.45A5D3FDE8D564DD@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:.D >I am looking for a TEK 4111 emulator for VAX/VMS V7.1 and eXcursion >V3.0.  ( We used to use Xteem X11 some years ago.L I still have the images (eg. DECW$XTEEMX11.EXE) but currently not more info.   -- S< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888n< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   Date: 28 Oct 2000 15:26:15 GMT/ From: Thomas Dickey <dickey@saltmine.radix.net>w Subject: Re: TEK 4111 emulator?r* Message-ID: <8ter6n$eq6$2@news1.Radix.Net>  3 David Mathog <mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu> wrote:  > In article <AF635758014253B7.B525B5A0D39C1108.45A5D3FDE8D564DD@lp.airnews.net>, Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com> writes:dE >>I am looking for a TEK 4111 emulator for VAX/VMS V7.1 and eXcursionn >>V3.0.o >>J >>The TEK display needs to appear on the PC screen.  Ideally, it should beH >>addressable as a device from the VAX (although I have some flexibility	 >>there).t >># >>Does anyone have any suggestions?s >>  8 > TeratermPro does Tektronix 4105, is that close enough?  5 judging by the terminfo, it's probably not very close   > (I hadn't noticed the 4105 emulation in Tera Term Pro, though)   -- -= Thomas E. Dickey <dickey@radix.net> <dickey@herndon4.his.com>  http://dickey.his.com: ftp://dickey.his.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2000 07:12:54 GMTt* From: ckcnospam@nospam.pbi.net (Khee Chan)# Subject: Re: UCX 5.0 and SMTP relays& Message-ID: <8FDB78E7zz@207.217.77.24>   [posted and mailed]e  I cadruvi@pacbell.net (rc) wrote in <VVqF5.176$kj7.65122@news.pacbell.net>:   E >I have a VMS V7.2-1 system with UCX V5.0A and I want to use the SMTPH >server as a relayG >without creating an open relay.  I would ideally like it to be a relayG >for authorized users E >(ie. users with a VMS username/password) from anywhere in the world." >s? >I would probably accept making it relay only using specific IP  >addresses.   G The following sets up TCPIP SMTP to only accept relays from your chosenS$ subnet and your chosen ip addresses.  (   $ @sys$startup:tcpip$smtp_shutdown.com'   $ tcpip set config smtp /option=relay".   $ tcpip set service smtp /accept=net=0.0.0.0G   $ tcpip set service smtp /accept=net=<your-subnet>:<your-subnet-mask>h6   $ tcpip set service smtp /accept=host=<your-host-ip>'   $ @sys$startup:tcpip$smtp_startup.com    ------------------------------    Date: 28 Oct 2000 16:44:00 +0200* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)' Subject: Re: VMS in the first sentence!s* Message-ID: <39fae630$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  X In article <zpAbdXLTMamq@eisner.decus.org>, kuhrt@eisner.decus.org (Marty Kuhrt) writes:E >Saw this story today, thought I'd pass it along.  VMS gets mentioned  >in the first sentence!w >rU >http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_ge.jsp?news_id=cmt-300b2324&feed=cmt&date=20001026n  C An announcement of yet another version of XESS (in this case V5.0).0A But XESS (http://www.ais.com) used to support VMS for a long time . and still does (which is good, but not cheap).   -- a< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888m< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.603 ************************