1 INFO-VAX	Tue, 31 Oct 2000	Volume 2000 : Issue 609       Contents:P %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representativP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresentaP Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta Change of IP subnet  Re: Change of IP subnet  Re: Change of IP subnet  configuring NFS  Re: configuring NFS  Re: configuring NFS ! DCPS 1.8 and LN32 Duplex Printing   Decnet over IP - where to start?$ Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?$ Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?$ Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?$ RE: Decnet over IP - where to start?$ Re: Decwindows TPU/EVE: Window title editors  Re: editors  Re: editors  Re: editors  Re: editors  Re: editors % Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400 1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? 1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? 1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? 1 Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ? % Re: File encryption software for VMS? % Re: File encryption software for VMS? % Re: File encryption software for VMS? % Re: File encryption software for VMS? ' FW: VAX Mail question - corrupted files  GTECH DK hiring 0 How can I synchronize VMS time with our Firewall- Re: How to remove trailing FF from a printjob - RE: How to remove trailing FF from a printjob - Re: How to remove trailing FF from a printjob - RE: How to remove trailing FF from a printjob @ Re: I know the answer but just can't remember what...(Pagefiles)# It sounds crzy but it really works!  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes  Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes 3 Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files 7 Re: Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files 7 Re: Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files   Re: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...= Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server = Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server  PAY IT FORWARD! & Re: Problems zipping big Oracle export& Re: Problems zipping big Oracle export8 Re: Questions about SHOW MEM/SLOTS and swapped processes Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  Re: Rdb on VMS reference?  RQDX3 going offline  Re: SHAREWARE: txt2pdf 4.1 Re: SHAREWARE: txt2pdf 4.1 Re: SHAREWARE: txt2pdf 4.1 Sixel compatible Printer s Re: Sixel compatible Printer s Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher RE: Sun "uptime" belly laugher Re: Sun Moon+ Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed + Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed + Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed + RE: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed + Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed  Re: TCPIP V5.0A SMTP ACCVIO  TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOG  Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOG  Time for Xfree86? 
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 Re: TLZ tapes ' Re: Tough times at the Sun homestead... ' Re: Tough times at the Sun homestead... ' Re: Tough times at the Sun homestead... ' Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files # Re: VAXstation 4000 Model 60 manual # Re: VAXstation 4000 Model 60 manual 2 Re: VIOC max transfer blocks before cache bypassed Re: VMSINSTALL Question 5 Was RE: Rdb on VMS reference? - now off-topic, pucker 9 Re: Was RE: Rdb on VMS reference? - now off-topic, pucker 9 Re: Was RE: Rdb on VMS reference? - now off-topic, pucker " What could cause ACCVIO in malloc?& RE: What could cause ACCVIO in malloc?. Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?. Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?. Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?. Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?7 ZIC utility; ZIC.EXE missing; which component has this?   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2000 13:23:35 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Y Subject: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representativ . Message-ID: <8tmh4n$3ie$1@info.service.rug.nl>  E This is about the fourth time in my life that I have seen this error   message:  S    %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representativ   D Always in EDT called from MAIL.  I use MAIL/EDIT (or REPLY/EDIT) or H whatever on average about 30 times a day, and have for the past several F years, so it is a rare error.  Nothing strange is happening when this  occurs.    VMS 7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A-1.  D It's not a serious problem, and I'll be upgrading soon; I have more < important things to worry about at the moment.  Still, just H theoretically, it would be interesting to know under what circumstances  this error can occur at all.   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2000 15:44:08 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig)Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support represent . Message-ID: <8tmpc8$5ss$2@info.service.rug.nl>  7 In article <39FED22A.E5356A9B@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn " <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:   ' > Wasn't EDT de-supported a while back?   G It is frozen and the ALPHA image is, IIRC, VESTed.  I don't know if it  F is unsupported.  Apparently the text of the error message was changed  recently.  :-)   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:07:38 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta ) Message-ID: <39FED22A.E5356A9B@bbc.co.uk>   % Wasn't EDT de-supported a while back?    Phillip Helbig wrote:   F > This is about the fourth time in my life that I have seen this error
 > message: > U >    %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq support representativ  > E > Always in EDT called from MAIL.  I use MAIL/EDIT (or REPLY/EDIT) or I > whatever on average about 30 times a day, and have for the past several G > years, so it is a rare error.  Nothing strange is happening when this 	 > occurs.  >  > VMS 7.2-1, TCPIP 5.0A-1. > E > It's not a serious problem, and I'll be upgrading soon; I have more = > important things to worry about at the moment.  Still, just I > theoretically, it would be interesting to know under what circumstances  > this error can occur at all.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:04:14 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> Y Subject: Re: %EDT-F-INTERERR, Internal software error; contact a Compaq supportrepresenta ) Message-ID: <39FEFB8E.CA3132D5@bbc.co.uk>    Phillip Helbig wrote:   9 > In article <39FED22A.E5356A9B@bbc.co.uk>, Tim Llewellyn # > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> writes:  > ) > > Wasn't EDT de-supported a while back?  > H > It is frozen and the ALPHA image is, IIRC, VESTed.  I don't know if it  3 You jogged my memory, anyway, whats wrong with TPU?    > G > is unsupported.  Apparently the text of the error message was changed  > recently.  :-)  F yup, but that would probably just be a bulk edit of the .MSG files and rebuild.G If the messages were defined in a shareable image there is no reason to  think I the actual application code was even touched or the EDT image relinked in  the J process of replacing Digital with Compaq in the error messages. Of course,   it MIGHT havce been.  F Thats what I call slick and one of the many powerfull features of VMS.     --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:09:55 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> Subject: Change of IP subnet6 Message-ID: <200010310706.IAA09134@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  I we must change our IP subnet. The involved product is TCP IP services for D OpenVMS 4.2 ECO 1. Is there any way to change only the addresses andD the subnetmask, without running the configuration procedure on everyF node? We do have only one one bootnode cluster with a common UCX root.9 What are the hints, which I have to do before the change?    TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:29:26 +0100 (CET) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>  Subject: Re: Change of IP subnetJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010311727370.28561-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  * On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Rudolf Wingert wrote:   +Hello,  + J +we must change our IP subnet. The involved product is TCP IP services forE +OpenVMS 4.2 ECO 1. Is there any way to change only the addresses and E +the subnetmask, without running the configuration procedure on every G +node? We do have only one one bootnode cluster with a common UCX root. : +What are the hints, which I have to do before the change?  	  RTFH -:)   @  SET [no]INTERFACE will add/change/remove the values for running5 system (you can add it on-the-fly, of course) and the =  SET CONFIGURATION INTERFACE will save the permanent setup...    +TIA and regards Rudolf Wingert     Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 17:48:32 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: Change of IP subnet* Message-ID: <39fef7e0$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  _ In article <200010310706.IAA09134@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>, Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> writes: J >we must change our IP subnet. The involved product is TCP IP services for >OpenVMS 4.2 ECO 1.   ; Now that ECO 1 is out for TCPIP V5.0A, think of an upgrade. 9 Don't do this at the same time, when you upgrade OpenVMS. 2 If you want to keep with UCX V4.2, think of ECO 3.D Running UCX/TCPIP without ECOs or with ECOs with low version numbers is uuhhmm surprising.   E >                   Is there any way to change only the addresses and E >the subnetmask, without running the configuration procedure on every  >node?   Yes. Of course.   I >        We do have only one one bootnode cluster with a common UCX root.    That doesn't make a difference. F UCX/TCPIP config is stored in UCX$CONFIGURATION (SYS$SYSTEM:.DAT) withG the SCSNODE name as an index in this file. So the easiest way is to use G SYSMAN and therefor the location of the UCX root/disk is not important.   : >What are the hints, which I have to do before the change?  K SYSMAN>DO UCX SET CONFIG INTERFACE ifc-name /HOST=name-or-addr /NET=netmask   L Don't forget to enter a hostname for the address to the DNS or the UCX$HOSTS   --  < Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888 < <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:39:58 +0530 / From: "Prashanth KE" <KE.Prashanth@digital.com>  Subject: configuring NFS* Message-ID: <8tm95t$ig7@usenet.pa.dec.com>   Hello,  J I am trying to configure NFS server on a VMS machine,and NFS clients on NT and UNIX machine. # Please can anyone guide me on this.    Thanks in advance  Pras   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 09:10:12 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: configuring NFS+ Message-ID: <2xTnEh6elHhP@eisner.decus.org>   \ In article <8tm95t$ig7@usenet.pa.dec.com>, "Prashanth KE" <KE.Prashanth@digital.com> writes: > Hello, > L > I am trying to configure NFS server on a VMS machine,and NFS clients on NT > and UNIX machine. % > Please can anyone guide me on this.  >   	 Guidance:   D  1) Read and follow the vendor's documents.  VMS and most VMS marketF     products come with excellent documentation which beats anything weF     could write up for you on usenet.  Can't help you with the poor orH     nonexistant documentation on some UNIX or NT other than to say start     with what you can find.   C  2) Read the VMS FAQ (find it from http://eisner.decus.org or other B     locations), follow it's suggestions on telling us what king ofA     system you're working with, what version of VMS, which TCP/IP      stack and version, ...  I  3) Follow the FAQ's suggestions on telling us exactly what you're doing  )     and exactly what errors you're seeing   @  4) Find and read the FAQs for your UNIX version and/or NT, post    simmilar info.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation = NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replying    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:17:11 -0500 ( From: Anamika Anamika <anamika@1nol.com> Subject: Re: configuring NFS' Message-ID: <39FEF086.DD1026A@1nol.com>   M What is it that you want to know ? Depends on how much you know already about  TCP and NFS.A You can install by invoking ucx$config from a privileged account. M Enable NFS server. Create NFS directories etc on the VMS box. Check privs and  acls. M One would start by reading the installation manual and the sysadmin guides on 
 the CD-ROM or  at the compaq web site.    -RSN   Prashanth KE wrote:    > Hello, > L > I am trying to configure NFS server on a VMS machine,and NFS clients on NT > and UNIX machine. % > Please can anyone guide me on this.  >  > Thanks in advance  > Pras   -- Remove "-nospam" to reply.   ------------------------------  $ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 02:24:38 +0800' From: "Maverick" <seawyk@letterbox.com> * Subject: DCPS 1.8 and LN32 Duplex Printing0 Message-ID: <8tn34r$coo$1@newsie.singa.pore.net>   Hi,   J I am currently testing a LN32 as a replacement for our existing LPS20s and- have upgraded our DCPS to 1.8 as recommended.   H It is also stated that the LN32 supports duplex printing with the duplexL module. However, print jobs that I have submitted with the duplex option hasL also returned a message that says that duplex option not supported. Printing? from Wintel/AlphaNT with the duplex option comes out correctly.     Anyone has any opinions on this?   rgds   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:13:23 GMT / From: Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> ) Subject: Decnet over IP - where to start? ) Message-ID: <8tmr2q$tde$1@nnrp1.deja.com>   F We have some boxes using decnet phase 5 on VMS7.1-2. They also use UCXG 4.2. Our comms people don't like us using DECnet throught their routers A so I was wondering about using decnet over IP to keep them quiet.   E Could some kind person point me at a simple start point, i.e. manuals  web sites etc.   TIA    Mike   --B All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 17:28:58 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)- Subject: Re: Decnet over IP - where to start? * Message-ID: <39fef34a$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  [ In article <8tmr2q$tde$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> writes: G >We have some boxes using decnet phase 5 on VMS7.1-2. They also use UCX H >4.2. Our comms people don't like us using DECnet throught their routersB >so I was wondering about using decnet over IP to keep them quiet. > F >Could some kind person point me at a simple start point, i.e. manuals >web sites etc.   1 Install DECnet-Plus, enable PWIP in UCX and done. B It's the RFC1006+. Plus because RFC1006 only lists OSI over IP and@ RFC1006+ adds DECnet over IP. It uses the TCP ports 102 and 399.  G You probably might want to use DOMAIN as a name service in DECnet-Plus,pE but unfortunately you can't run DOMAIN only (you need DECdns or LOCALsB as the primary nameservice). You configure this with NET$CONFIGURE   -- o< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888f< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:28:29 GMTt% From: Roger F. <roger_fr@my-deja.com> - Subject: Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?d) Message-ID: <8tmrv1$u5o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>t  9 You could try to get hold of the free book from Compaq atr  H http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&Obje ctGroup_ID=786   Regards,   Roger   ) In article <8tmr2q$tde$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, 2   Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> wrote:H > We have some boxes using decnet phase 5 on VMS7.1-2. They also use UCXA > 4.2. Our comms people don't like us using DECnet throught theiry routerstC > so I was wondering about using decnet over IP to keep them quiet.r > G > Could some kind person point me at a simple start point, i.e. manualsi > web sites etc. >o > TIA  >  > Mike >r > --D > All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
 > employer >v( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.t >n    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.w   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:09:01 +0000i$ From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk- Subject: Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?p/ Message-ID: <00256989.005E36F4.00@quegw01.btyp>P  L Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, Bridge Street Plaza    K Where do you drill down from the www.openvms.compaq.com pages? You can't goi3 directly to this URL, it asks to you go via Compaq.    Steve Spires        ; "Roger F." <roger_fr@my-deja.com> on 31/10/2000 04:28:29 PMr    To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com+ cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)iH From:      "Roger F." <roger_fr@my-deja.com>, 31 October 2000, 4:28 p.m.  $ Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?        9 You could try to get hold of the free book from Compaq atn  H http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATID=194&Obje ctGroup_ID=786   Regards,   Rogers  ) In article <8tmr2q$tde$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,t2   Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> wrote:H > We have some boxes using decnet phase 5 on VMS7.1-2. They also use UCXA > 4.2. Our comms people don't like us using DECnet throught their  routers C > so I was wondering about using decnet over IP to keep them quiet.s >tG > Could some kind person point me at a simple start point, i.e. manualse > web sites etc. >e > TIA  >' > Mike >e > --D > All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
 > employer >I( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.e >L    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:50:30 -0500h# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com> - Subject: RE: Decnet over IP - where to start?mD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD889@berry.mvpsi.com>  K From www.openvms.compaq.com pick "Shop the OpenVMS eStore" in the gray bar.n   Then pick "Special Items".     > -----Original Message-----& > From: Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk) > [mailto:Steve.Spires@yellowpages.co.uk] * > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 12:09 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Como/ > Subject: Re: Decnet over IP - where to start?? >  > ; > Contact:   Tel: 3063  -  IS - Infrastructure, 1st Floor, 0 > Bridge Street Plazar >  > : > Where do you drill down from the www.openvms.compaq.com  > pages? You can't gop5 > directly to this URL, it asks to you go via Compaq.- >  > Steve Spires >  >  >  > = > "Roger F." <roger_fr@my-deja.com> on 31/10/2000 04:28:29 PMi > " > To:        Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com- > cc:         (bcc: Steve Spires/YellowPages)r; > From:      "Roger F." <roger_fr@my-deja.com>, 31 October n > 2000, 4:28 p.m.  > & > Re: Decnet over IP - where to start? >  >  >  > ; > You could try to get hold of the free book from Compaq att > @ > http://www.e-softwarefactory.com/acb/showprod.cfm?&DID=30&CATI
 D=194&Obje ctGroup_ID=786   Regards,   Rogerv  ) In article <8tmr2q$tde$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,p2   Mike Price <mike.price@littlewoods.co.uk> wrote:H > We have some boxes using decnet phase 5 on VMS7.1-2. They also use UCXA > 4.2. Our comms people don't like us using DECnet throught their  routersnC > so I was wondering about using decnet over IP to keep them quiet.i >oG > Could some kind person point me at a simple start point, i.e. manualsr > web sites etc. >- > TIA- >- > Mike >  > --D > All opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my
 > employer >D( > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy.r >e    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.n   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:21:47 -0500c- From: "Peter Weaver" <peter.weaver@stelco.ca>h- Subject: Re: Decwindows TPU/EVE: Window titlei/ Message-ID: <svtld5f0bpel93@corp.supernews.com>o  : "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote in message& news:39FDE82B.731459DB@videotron.ca... > Peter Weaver wrote:3 > > tpu set (WIDGET, get_infom > > F (SCREEN,"widget"),"title",get_info(get_info(buffers,"current"),"name") > > ); >r >r > WOW ! and it works too ! >p. > By the way, you can get the buffer name withE > get_info(current_buffer,"name")  a bit simpler than your syntax :-)  >...  D Thanks, I thought there was an easier way to do that but I could notE think of it at the time. It's been too long since I did anything withC TPU.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 08:31:40 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: editors+ Message-ID: <g04ebbRZaSIi@eisner.decus.org>e  Z In article <39fda1e6.1820017586@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan Greig) writes:G > On 30 Oct 2000 08:36:53 -0500, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)n > wrote: > G >>And it works for any system that supports DECnet FAL, not just VMS (I 7 >>used to edit all my TOPS-20 files with EDT this way).  > E > A slightly easier way would have been to use the TOPS-20 version ofS > EDT would it not?   H Yes, once we got EDT on TOPS-20 we used it.  We were quite happy to haveD EDT on VMS, TOPS-20, and RSX.  Then we got some PCs from digital andE wanted to know why the editor they provided with the Pathworks client C wasn't the DEC-standard EDT.  No answer.  Then no EDT for ULTRIX.    Never been the same since.  G Had a lot of people using SED (screen editor) which came on the TOPS-20 G tool tape before EDT was available.  Tried using TV (visual TECO) since5G I had a TECO background from DECSYSTEM-10 days, but didn't care for it.@  G In the meantime we had DECnet on all our systems and I just happily seta( default to all those remote directories.  B I gave up on emacs when I found my initialization file didn't workH across versions and no two systems I had access to had the same version.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationh= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GrouphE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingd   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:46:28 +0100g( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> Subject: Re: editors& Message-ID: <39FECD34.3AE9B793@cli.de>   Bob Koehler wrote: > J > Yes, once we got EDT on TOPS-20 we used it.  We were quite happy to haveF > EDT on VMS, TOPS-20, and RSX.  Then we got some PCs from digital andG > wanted to know why the editor they provided with the Pathworks clientyC > wasn't the DEC-standard EDT.  No answer.  Then no EDT for ULTRIX.C > Never been the same since. > - Perhaps there's an EDT-mode for the emacs ;-)T   -- m( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de.C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89u   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2000 15:41:00 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig) Subject: Re: editors. Message-ID: <8tmp6c$5ss$1@info.service.rug.nl>  5 In article <39FECD34.3AE9B793@cli.de>, Bernd Eckstein  <B.Eckstein@cli.de> writes:   L > > Yes, once we got EDT on TOPS-20 we used it.  We were quite happy to haveH > > EDT on VMS, TOPS-20, and RSX.  Then we got some PCs from digital andI > > wanted to know why the editor they provided with the Pathworks clientIE > > wasn't the DEC-standard EDT.  No answer.  Then no EDT for ULTRIX.a > > Never been the same since. > > / > Perhaps there's an EDT-mode for the emacs ;-)a  : There is.  When I have to use emacs, the first command is       alt x edt-emulation-one   :-)y   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:24:09 -0500n  From: norm.raphael@jamesbury.com Subject: Re: editors4 Message-ID: <C2256989.00596C24.00@jklh21.valmet.com>  K I remember SEDT with early Pathworks (DECnet DOS?).  Was that non-standard?o        2 koehler@eisner.decus.org on 10/31/2000 08:31:40 AM   To:   Info-VAX@mvb.saic.com, cc:o Subject:  editorsT        K In article <39fda1e6.1820017586@news.newsguy.com>, A.Greig@virgin.net (Alan  Greig) writes:G > On 30 Oct 2000 08:36:53 -0500, koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)= > wrote: >=G >>And it works for any system that supports DECnet FAL, not just VMS (IL7 >>used to edit all my TOPS-20 files with EDT this way).  >sE > A slightly easier way would have been to use the TOPS-20 version of= > EDT would it not?-  H Yes, once we got EDT on TOPS-20 we used it.  We were quite happy to haveD EDT on VMS, TOPS-20, and RSX.  Then we got some PCs from digital andE wanted to know why the editor they provided with the Pathworks clientAA wasn't the DEC-standard EDT.  No answer.  Then no EDT for ULTRIX.  Never been the same since.  G Had a lot of people using SED (screen editor) which came on the TOPS-20oG tool tape before EDT was available.  Tried using TV (visual TECO) since G I had a TECO background from DECSYSTEM-10 days, but didn't care for it.X  G In the meantime we had DECnet on all our systems and I just happily setw( default to all those remote directories.  B I gave up on emacs when I found my initialization file didn't workH across versions and no two systems I had access to had the same version.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporatione= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group:E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinga   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 17:32:54 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER) Subject: Re: editors* Message-ID: <39fef436$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  W In article <C2256989.00596C24.00@jklh21.valmet.com>, norm.raphael@jamesbury.com writes:eL >I remember SEDT with early Pathworks (DECnet DOS?).  Was that non-standard?  K Yes. SEDT was a product of Anker Berg-Sonne and used to run on DOS-PCs, VMS 	 and more.   H It seems dead for a couple of years now (and unfortunately didn't become public domain at the end).  - 	http://www.ultranet.com/~anker/sedt/sedt.htm-   -- -< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888S< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:02:45 GMTc/ From: "Richard L. Dyson" <rick-dyson@uiowa.edu>e Subject: Re: editors) Message-ID: <39FEB4E5.42F07FE5@uiowa.edu>    Bob Koehler wrote: > J > Yes, once we got EDT on TOPS-20 we used it.  We were quite happy to haveF > EDT on VMS, TOPS-20, and RSX.  Then we got some PCs from digital andG > wanted to know why the editor they provided with the Pathworks clientiC > wasn't the DEC-standard EDT.  No answer.  Then no EDT for ULTRIX.u > Never been the same since. > I > Had a lot of people using SED (screen editor) which came on the TOPS-20 I > tool tape before EDT was available.  Tried using TV (visual TECO) sinceoI > I had a TECO background from DECSYSTEM-10 days, but didn't care for it.i  ? 	SEDT (EDT that was ported to the DEC Raindow and later for any D platform) is still around and is freeware now.  I have used it sinceF 1985 on VMS (VAX & ALP), Unixes, PC (DOS & Windows) and even an Amiga.. I believe it is also known to work on Linux...  - 	http://www.ultranet.com/~anker/sedt/sedt.htmt   Regards, Rick --  H Richard L. Dyson                                    rick-dyson@uiowa.eduH  _   _      _____                http://www-pi.physics.uiowa.edu/~dyson/H | | | |    |_   _|   Systems Analyst                     O: 319/335-1879H | | | | of   | |     The University of Iowa            FAX: 319/335-17536 | \_/ |     _| |_    Department of Physics & Astronomy-  \___/     |_____|   Iowa City, IA 52242-1479i   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:35:15 +0100p( From: Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de>. Subject: Re: Ethernet failure on MicroVAX 3400& Message-ID: <39FEF4C3.7B681F0A@cli.de>   Chris Chiesa wrote:S >  > Hello all, >  > ' >    4) Anything else YOU can think of!a > ; In the last years we sometime had BNC-Port-defects on those ; little ethernet hubs, those ones with 4 or 8 ports rj45 andd? another one for BNC and AUI. The AUI-Ports on those hubs alwaysV= worked. I think here always the Transceiver chip dp8392 brokee9 down, because AUI-signals are always fed into the dp8392.M  < Now I opened my VAX 4000-600s Frontplate and ... a dp8392 is, located near to the Ethernets BNC-Connector.. Standard application, even on a VAX-System ;-)  > The DP8392 could be broken if the AUI-Port is ok. Its app-note8 is available at http://www.national.com/an/AN/AN-442.pdf   Hope it helps...   -- -( Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsC B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.de C Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89.   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:44:02 GMTi0 From: Patrick Spinler <pspinler@yon.spinler.org>: Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?, Message-ID: <m3pukhrzfd.fsf@yon.spinler.org>  7 Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:h > I >     There is no support for using pseudo terminals from DCL.  Dependingg# > upon what is needed you should be K > able to hack up the example I sure have for all kinds of things..The real-& > issue is that the buffer objects andI > channels needed for the psuedo terminals do not survive image run down.k > J >     I am the person originally responsible for the pseudo terminal code. >  >  > Forrest Kenney > OpenVMS Development Compaq >    Darn.  Thanks Forrest.  F In other words, I couldn't even invoke an image to create an fta:, andE then use the created device from DCL.  At least, not without extreameo	 hackery. n  D The sad part (from my point of view) is that I don't even need a lotD of functionality.  I don't need to actually send or receive any dataE on the fta, just have it exist and hooked to sys$input.  You see, I'mo8 trying to invoke a vendor provided image in a batch job.@ Unfortunately, the vendor program demands that it be run from anF interactive terminal, even though I can give it all the information it( needs to run as command line parameters.  B So, in order to make this work, I'd have to do something like this (psuedocode) :   dcl script:o -----------n $p $ arg1=some calc $ arg2=some calc $ helper:=$helper.exep $ helper realprogram arg1 arg2 $   	 helper.c:e	 ---------aE #include <everything I need>   /* So, when will this become a decc */s 			       /*  flag ? :-) */  main (int argc, char *argvp[]) {w    int chan;    ptd$create (&chan);?    lib$spawn (argv1, sys$input=chan, parameters=(argv2,argv3));F&    wait; /*for spawned image rundown*/ }a   Bleah.  E If I have to jump through hoops like this anyway, maybe I'll just tryoE to code up a quick perl extension, and rewrite my DCL script in perl.a   -- Pat  D p.s. Compaq, MAKE DCL USER EXTENDABLE THE SIMILAR TO PERL ! Please !   >  > Patrick Spinler wrote: >  > > Hi:e > >LJ > > Is it possible to create and use psuedoterm devices from DCL ?  (FTA*:H > > devices made via PTD$CREATE() from the I/O users guide)  If so, doesC > > anyone have any pithy examples they might be willing to share ?t > >s > > Thanks !
 > > -- Pat >    -- -* Pat & Jennifer Spinler			pats@millcomm.com   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:41:23 GMTe+ From: Bru, Pierre <Pierre.Bru@spotimage.fr>m: Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?) Message-ID: <8tmeli$if4$1@nnrp1.deja.com>e  , In article <m3pukhrzfd.fsf@yon.spinler.org>,3   Patrick Spinler <pspinler@yon.spinler.org> wrote:  >a   [-snip-]  H > In other words, I couldn't even invoke an image to create an fta:, andG > then use the created device from DCL.  At least, not without extreameU
 > hackery. >cF > The sad part (from my point of view) is that I don't even need a lotF > of functionality.  I don't need to actually send or receive any dataG > on the fta, just have it exist and hooked to sys$input.  You see, I'me: > trying to invoke a vendor provided image in a batch job.B > Unfortunately, the vendor program demands that it be run from anH > interactive terminal, even though I can give it all the information it* > needs to run as command line parameters.     [-snip-]  5 I never tried the following but i may be worth a try:0  . $ create/terminal/noprocess/define=(sys$input)	 $ run ...j   Pierre.c    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.4   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 09:18:10 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.org : Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?+ Message-ID: <GLDMqbIBp3hT@eisner.decus.org>a  _ In article <m3pukhrzfd.fsf@yon.spinler.org>, Patrick Spinler <pspinler@yon.spinler.org> writes: F > The sad part (from my point of view) is that I don't even need a lotF > of functionality.  I don't need to actually send or receive any dataG > on the fta, just have it exist and hooked to sys$input.  You see, I'm : > trying to invoke a vendor provided image in a batch job.B > Unfortunately, the vendor program demands that it be run from anH > interactive terminal, even though I can give it all the information it* > needs to run as command line parameters.  = If all you need is a terminal and no data stream, use an LTA.    As a system manager:   $ MCR LATCP.< LCP> CREATE PORT /LOGICAL=(NAME=dummy_terminal,TABLE=SYSTEM)	 LCP> EXIT    In the batch job  ! $ DEFINE SYS$INPUT dummy_terminalm $ RUN vendor-image  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:51:32 -0500-* From: Chuck Chopp <ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com>: Subject: Re: Example of using psuedoterm device from DCL ?+ Message-ID: <39FEDC74.1B7B950E@rtfmcsi.com>    Patrick Spinler wrote:  9 > Forrest Kenney <Forrest.Kenney@compaq.com.doom> writes:- > >-K > >     There is no support for using pseudo terminals from DCL.  DependingI% > > upon what is needed you should behM > > able to hack up the example I sure have for all kinds of things..The real.( > > issue is that the buffer objects andK > > channels needed for the psuedo terminals do not survive image run down.  > >-L > >     I am the person originally responsible for the pseudo terminal code. > >r > >l > > Forrest Kenney > > OpenVMS Development Compaq > >  >  > Darn.  Thanks Forrest. > H > In other words, I couldn't even invoke an image to create an fta:, andG > then use the created device from DCL.  At least, not without extreame 
 > hackery. >yF > The sad part (from my point of view) is that I don't even need a lotF > of functionality.  I don't need to actually send or receive any dataG > on the fta, just have it exist and hooked to sys$input.  You see, I'm2: > trying to invoke a vendor provided image in a batch job.B > Unfortunately, the vendor program demands that it be run from anH > interactive terminal, even though I can give it all the information it* > needs to run as command line parameters. >lD > So, in order to make this work, I'd have to do something like this > (psuedocode) : >a
 > dcl script:?
 > -----------= > $b > $ arg1=some calc > $ arg2=some calc > $ helper:=$helper.exee  > $ helper realprogram arg1 arg2 > $e >i   ...snipo      N Take a look at the LOGGER.C file that is out under SYS$EXAMPLES.  I used it asL the core of a poor-man's telnet server type of application at one time.  I'mL pretty sure that you could modify that particular example of pseudo-terminalI programming to work in your case, too.  The source code was very straight N forward and easy to work with and it was a fairly complete example showing all> of the various tasks that need to be completed to properly use pseudo-terminals./     -- Chuck Choppo  8 ChuckChopp@rtfmcsi.com            http://www.rtfmcsi.com0                                   ICQ # 22321532@ RTFM Consulting Services Inc.     864 801 2795 voice & voicemail2 103 Autumn Hill Road              864 801 2774 fax@ Greer, SC  29651                  (new pager on 11/3/2000) pager   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:53:05 +000032 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>. Subject: Re: File encryption software for VMS?. Message-ID: <39FE8871.1F377CBB@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Chris De Young wrote:; >  > Hi,  > O > Does anyone know of a utility for encryping files or sets of files using somenA > strong algorithm (Blowfish, Twofish, Rijndael, etc.) for VMS?  .  : Here's some urls for the blowfish program & documentation:  ( http://www.counterpane.com/blowfish.html0 ftp://ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/misc/blowfish.c.gz2 ftp://ftp.ox.ac.uk/pub/crypto/misc/blowfish.doc.gz  > pkzip encryption (mentioned by someone) shouldn't be taken too> seriously, I believe, but blowfish is meant to be pretty good.   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2000 08:56:53 GMT3 From: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de (Christoph Gartmann)k. Subject: Re: File encryption software for VMS?0 Message-ID: <8tm1gl$2af$1@n.ruf.uni-freiburg.de>  \ In article <39FDE8E0.39873ACD@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes: >Chris De Young wrote:P >> Does anyone know of a utility for encryping files or sets of files using some@ >> strong algorithm (Blowfish, Twofish, Rijndael, etc.) for VMS? >SL >Digital had it then. Now sure if Compaq has it now. In V5.5-2's help, there; >was even a topif for ENCRYPT. But it has disapeared in 7.2t  7 This is what "HELP ENCRYPT" tells on my VMS 6.2 system:    ENCRYPTn  *    Invokes the VAX-11 Encryption facility.  I    This optional software product is available under separate license andl)    has not been installed on this system.      Regards,    Christoph GartmannM  H -----------------------------------------------------------------------+H | Max-Planck-Institut fuer      Phone   : +49-761-5108-464   Fax: -452 |H | Immunbiologie                                                        |H | Postfach 1169                 Internet: gartmann@immunbio.mpg.de     |H | D-79011  Freiburg, FRG                                               |H +--------- http://www.immunbio.mpg.de/home/english/menue.html ---------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:39:06 -0500 # From: Jim Agnew <agnew@hsc.vcu.edu>h. Subject: Re: File encryption software for VMS?+ Message-ID: <39FED98A.D075C3F9@hsc.vcu.edu>m  q hhmm.. PGP is avail somewhere.  had no luck redoing the package for vms, but simply started using the pc version.t  ~ there is a wrapper call pgmenu that is very nice, puts a menu interface on it.  (use full for me since i only run it seldom..)   jim    Chris De Young wrote:d >  > Hi,y > O > Does anyone know of a utility for encryping files or sets of files using some O > strong algorithm (Blowfish, Twofish, Rijndael, etc.) for VMS?  Something thathL > will encrypt individual files is ok, or something which makes an encryptedN > containter file which is then mounted like another disk device would be fine > too. > 	 > Thanks,2 > -Chris >  > chd@arizona.edu,   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2000 15:48:53 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog). Subject: Re: File encryption software for VMS?, Message-ID: <8tmpl5$e6j@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  ] In article <8tkmcv$thk$1@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, chd@vms.arizona.edu (Chris De Young) writes:  >Hi, >eN >Does anyone know of a utility for encryping files or sets of files using someN >strong algorithm (Blowfish, Twofish, Rijndael, etc.) for VMS?  Something thatK >will encrypt individual files is ok, or something which makes an encryptedhM >containter file which is then mounted like another disk device would be fine  >too.m >   2 Would gnupg do it for you?  My port of that is at:  @    http://seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu/pub/SOFTWARE/GNUPG1_0_2_VMS.ZIP  I There is also an encryption/decryption module you can add to ZIP/UNZIP.  mJ Obtain the source files and look at the WHERE.. file for more information.   Regards,   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.eduP? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech @   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:48:17 +0000 8 From: John Macallister <J.Macallister1@physics.ox.ac.uk>0 Subject: FW: VAX Mail question - corrupted filesL Message-ID: <35666012DF4CD411BE940090279FA240111F54@ppnt41.physics.ox.ac.uk>  4 You haven't said how the files are being corrupted.   L I've only ever come across three forms of corruption when sending plain textJ via mail to/from VMS systems. For sending plain text via mail just includeF the text as part of the message. There's no point in using /FOREIGN or# anything else for plain text files.h  I (1) It's possible that an intermediate server, or even the remote server,lK has a size limit and is truncating the mail file. This should be clear from  the file received.  J (2) Some mailers wrap lines at column 132 (or some other value (80/72?) ).J Again this should be clear from the appearance of the file received at the remote end.e  C (3) If your mail is being relayed via a server which is in some waybF incompatible with yours (for example uses a different character set orF unusual ASCII/EBCDIC mapping) you may find that certain characters areG changed or even interchanged ("corrupted"). This should also be easy toi detect.o   Hope this helps,   John    B Name: John B. Macallister  E-mail: j.macallister1@physics.ox.ac.ukH Post: Nuclear and Astrophysics Laboratory, Keble Road, Oxford OX1 3RH,UKA Phone: +44-1865-273388 (direct)  273333 (reception)  273418 (Fax)F   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:23:03 +0100 = From: Arne =?iso-8859-1?Q?Vajh=F8j?= <arne.vajhoej@gtech.com>- Subject: GTECH DK hiring) Message-ID: <39FE9D87.1D4C8B1E@gtech.com>@  & GTECH DK needs to hire two developers.  ' Jobs are located in Copenhagen Denmark.p  
 Position A
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 ----------   Required skills:   Unix (preferrable Tru64)+   relational databases (preferrable Sybase)u Other wanted skills:   Ce   Java   GUId  = If anyone are interested, then please contact me for details.u   Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:30:09 GMT- From: linuxmtl@my-deja.com9 Subject: How can I synchronize VMS time with our Firewallt) Message-ID: <8tn333$4vp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>A  	 Good day,n  5 Very simple and straight question....but not easy....A  B For security purposes, I want my VMS log files (accounting, audit,D multinet, OSU, etc...) to be fully syncrhonized with our firewall soF when a security breach occurs I can corelate the events using both log entries.   Is there a way we can do this?   Regards,    & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.q   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 07:44:10 -0500 From: briggs@eisner.decus.orgt6 Subject: Re: How to remove trailing FF from a printjob+ Message-ID: <7lYLncvU2b6v@eisner.decus.org>s  h In article <0hnL5.12112$25.2838097@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com>, "Kevin Bergman" <kbergman7@home.com> writes:N > I need to print labels/forms on an impact printer, but every print job seems8 > to be including a FF at the end, causing a page-eject. > I > I need to send 6 lines to the printer, and have the printer print the 6  > lines, and NOT receive a FF. > ) > Any qualifiers/parameters I'm missing ?o > H If you can't get around the problem with a clever choice of forms and/orK device setup, try the following symbiont that suppresses form feeds between/ print jobs.c  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   	options		/extend_source 	program	noff_symb 	implicit	none  ( 	integer		status, psm$replace, psm$print   	external	null_routine   	include		'PSMDEF.INC'  7 	status = psm$replace ( psm$k_job_setup, null_routine )/3 	if ( .not. status ) call sys$exit ( %val(status) )   : 	status = psm$replace ( psm$k_file_setup_2, null_routine )3 	if ( .not. status ) call sys$exit ( %val(status) )y   	status = psm$print ( ,, )3 	if ( .not. status ) call sys$exit ( %val(status) )1   	end   	options		/extend_sourceP 	integer function null_routine ( request_id, work_area, func, funcdesc,funcarg ) 	implicit	none   	integer		request_id 	integer		work_area, 	integer		func 	integer		funcdesc 	integer		funcarg    	include		'psmdef.inc' 	include		'($psmmsgdef)'   	null_routine = psm$_funnotsup 	returnw   	end   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:18:37 -0800s/ From: Terry Marosites <TMarosites@unitedad.com>i6 Subject: RE: How to remove trailing FF from a printjobM Message-ID: <1137A4A23A51D311B2D600105A1D5213026FDFB9@seantexch.unitedad.com>a  H This sounds like something that I can use , But how does one implement a	 symbiont?    Terry Marosites  -----Original Message-----> From: briggs@eisner.decus.org [mailto:briggs@eisner.decus.org]' Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 4:44 AMe To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Comi6 Subject: Re: How to remove trailing FF from a printjob    K In article <0hnL5.12112$25.2838097@news1.rdc1.ne.home.com>, "Kevin Bergman"F <kbergman7@home.com> writes:H > I need to print labels/forms on an impact printer, but every print job seems 8 > to be including a FF at the end, causing a page-eject. > I > I need to send 6 lines to the printer, and have the printer print the 6p > lines, and NOT receive a FF. > ) > Any qualifiers/parameters I'm missing ?  > H If you can't get around the problem with a clever choice of forms and/orK device setup, try the following symbiont that suppresses form feeds between  print jobs.t  & 	John Briggs			briggs@eisner.decus.org   	options		/extend_source 	program	noff_symb 	implicit	none  ( 	integer		status, psm$replace, psm$print   	external	null_routine   	include		'PSMDEF.INC'  7 	status = psm$replace ( psm$k_job_setup, null_routine ) 3 	if ( .not. status ) call sys$exit ( %val(status) )s  : 	status = psm$replace ( psm$k_file_setup_2, null_routine )3 	if ( .not. status ) call sys$exit ( %val(status) )o   	status = psm$print ( ,, )3 	if ( .not. status ) call sys$exit ( %val(status) )e   	end   	options		/extend_source= 	integer function null_routine ( request_id, work_area, func,t funcdesc,funcarg ) 	implicit	none   	integer		request_id 	integer		work_area  	integer		func 	integer		funcdesc 	integer		funcargo   	include		'psmdef.inc' 	include		'($psmmsgdef)'   	null_routine = psm$_funnotsup 	returnh   	end   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:38:41 +0000t From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>g6 Subject: Re: How to remove trailing FF from a printjob' Message-ID: <39FEF591.12F0D3FB@fsi.net>    Terry Marosites wrote: > J > This sounds like something that I can use , But how does one implement a > symbiont?      See HELP INIT /QUEUE /PROCESSOR    David J. Dachtera:   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:43:04 +0100 (CET) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>6 Subject: RE: How to remove trailing FF from a printjobJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010311738540.28561-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  + On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Terry Marosites wrote:e  I +This sounds like something that I can use , But how does one implement aH
 +symbiont? +R +Terry Marosites  A  Terry, probably if you will answer *after* the previous response : (here from John) you can by accident see, that rest of the# message looks like some program -;)I    Compile it and check:    HELP INIT/QUEUE/PROCESSOR !   +-----Original Message----- ? +From: briggs@eisner.decus.org [mailto:briggs@eisner.decus.org]f [...]lI +If you can't get around the problem with a clever choice of forms and/orcD +device setup, try the following symbiont that suppresses form feeds    Regards - Gotfryd   -- sE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================d   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 08:57:42 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)I Subject: Re: I know the answer but just can't remember what...(Pagefiles) + Message-ID: <j63gSAowM2QU@eisner.decus.org>e  b In article <972948541.481695@ananke.eclipse.net.uk>, "Andy Proctor" <aproctor@hotmail.com> writes:< > VMS gurus, please may I ask a really simple/daft question?N > I am currently working on an Alpha3000/300LX VMS 6.2-1h3 and all I am trying- > to do is increase the size of the pagefile. K > Its currently 29000 blocks (too small especially with Pathworks running),rJ > and I want to increase it to 130000 blocks. There are over 300000 blocksK > free on the disk. (only a 1GB system disk, user areas are on other disks)-N > When running swapfiles.com I get the error: "File Header full" when it triesN > to create the new pagefile, and of course it does not do it. The swapfile is6 > 10600 blocks, dumpfile currently set to 1000 blocks.  L The pagefile is marked contiguous-best-try.  Your disk is too fragmented to 9 extend the existing pagefile.  There are three solutions:   I  1)  Defrag the system disk by doing a backup/image to and then back fromt1    tape (or a spare disk) by booting from the CD.   D  2)  Get and use a disk defrag product, but don't be suprized if it C    advises you to do the above first as these products are good at n@    keeping disks defragged but can take a long time to defrag a     heavilly fragmented disk.  E  3)  Write a program to do a single movefile.  Create the largest NEWm.    pagefile you can using SYSGEN CREATE, then:       a) mark it moveableO       b) move it8       c) extend it as far as you can using SYSGEN CREATE;       d) loop back to a) until the desired size is achievedh+       e) reboot to pick up the new pagefile-       f) purge the old pagefileu  F      You might think this is not possible as the system could grab theE    largest not-fragmented spaces it can find to make up the size thatDE    is requested, but contiguous-best-try doesn't work this way.  I'ves3    actually done the above many times successfully.   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporationu= NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil Group E                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyinge   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 05:50:41 +0000 # From: Matt Mosher <csativa@msn.com> , Subject: It sounds crzy but it really works!- Message-ID: <0G3A005AOP1GHV@mx.east.saic.com>a  " > It works, it's legal, it's easy,0 > and it's fun... so WHY NOT read this and play? >a@ > Parents of 15-year-old find $71,000 cash hidden in his closet.? > Does this headline look familiar? Of course it does. You mostv? > likely have just seen this story recently featured on a majort > nightly news program.  >e; > His mother was cleaning and putting laundry away when shes; > came across a large brown paper bag that was suspiciouslyd= > buried beneath some clothes and a skateboard in the back ofa? > her 15-year-old son's closet. Nothing could have prepared her < > for the shock she got when she opened the bag and found it< > was full of cash. Five dollar bills, twenties, fifties and7 > hundreds - all neatly rubber-banded in labeled piles.  >i< > "My first thought was that he had robbed a bank", says the4 > 41-year-old woman, "There was over $71,000 dollars< > in that bag- that's more than my husband earns in a year". >.1 > The woman immediately called her husband at thes7 > car-dealership where he worked to tell him what she'di= > discovered. He came home right away and they drove togetherr@ > to the boy's school and picked him up. Little did they suspect7 > that where the money came from was more shocking than $ > actually finding it in the closet. >pA > As it turns out, the boy had been sending out via E-mail on thel? > Internet a type of 'chain-letter' to E-mail addresses that he B > obtained off of the Internet. Everyday after school for the past? > 2 months, he had been doing this right on his computer in hisI
 > bedroom. > C > "I just got the E-mail one day and I figured what the heck, I put4C > my name on it like the instructions said and I started sending itr$ > out", says the clever 15-year-old. >eA > The E-mail letter listed 3 addresses and contained instructionsmB > to send one $5 dollar bill to the person at the top of the list,A > then delete that address and move the other 2 addresses up, ando@ > finally to add your name to the bottom of the list. The letter: > goes on to state that you would receive several thousandA > dollars in five dollar bills within 2 weeks if you sent out therB > letter with your name at the bottom of the 3-address list "I getB > junk E-mail all the time, and I really didn't think it was gonna > work", the boy continues.i >b? > Within the first few days of sending out the E-mail, the Post'? > Office Box that his parents had gotten him for his video-game = > magazine subscriptions began to fill up with not magazines,2+ > but envelopes containing $5 dollar bills.. >(> > "About a week later I rode [my bike] down to the post office3 > and my box had 1 magazine and about 300 envelopes>C > stuffed in it. There was also a yellow slip that said I had to goa@ > up to the [post office] counter- I thought I was in trouble or< > something (laughs)". He goes on, "I went up to the counter= > and they had a whole box of more mail for me. I had to rideo= > back home and empty out my backpack 'cause I couldn't carry.
 > it all". >l< > Over the next few weeks, the boy continued sending out the@ > E-mail. "The money just kept coming in and I just kept sorting< > it and stashing it in the closet, I barely had time for my? > homework". He had also been riding his bike to several of thei@ > area's banks and exchanging the $5 bills for twenties, fifties? > and hundreds. "I didn't want the banks to get suspicious so I-B > kept riding to different banks with like five thousand at a time; > in my backpack. I would usually tell the lady at the bank < > counter that my dad had sent me in [to exchange the money]> > and he was outside waiting for me. One time the lady gave me@ > a really strange look and told me that she wouldn't be able to> > do it for me and my dad would have to come in and do it, but9 > I just rode to the next bank down the street (laughs)."a > @ > Surprisingly, the boy didn't have any reason to be afraid. The= > reporting news team examined and investigated the so-calledDC > 'chain-letter' the boy was sending out and found that it wasn't a D > chain-letter at all. In fact, it was completely legal according to> > US Postal and Lottery Laws, Title 18, Section 1302 and 1341,? > or Title 18, Section 3005 in the US code, also in the code of = > federal regulations, Volume 16, Sections 255 and 436, which 8 > state a product or service must be exchanged for moneyK > received. Every five dollar bill that he received contained a little note)> > that read, "Please add me to your mailing list". This simple@ > note made the letter legal because he was exchanging a service= > (adding the purchasers name to his mailing list) for a five 
 > dollar fee.  >C< > Here is the letter that the 15-year-old was sending out by> > E-mail, you can do the exact same thing he was doing, simply/ > by following the instructions in this letter-i. > -------------------------------------------- >c= > Here are instructions on how to make $10,000 US cash in theu > next 2 weeks:a >u% > There are 3 addresses listed below.D > ? > Send the person at the top of the list a $5 bill wrapped in 2n? > pieces of paper (to securely hide it), along with a note that ? > says: "Please add me to your mailing list".Be sure to IncludemA > your email address for future mailings and courtesy follow ups.u >d> > Then delete that name, move the other 2 up and put your name > at the bottom. >y: > Now start sending this ENTIRE e-mail back out to people.; > When 20 people receive it, those 20 people will move youre@ > name up to the middle position and they will each send out 20.@ > That totals 400 people that will receive this letter with your > name in the middle.g >q> > Then, those 400 people will move your name up to the top and> > they will each send out 20 E-mails. That totals 8,000 peopleB > that will receive this E-mail with your name at the top and they > will each send you a $5 bill.: >:@ > 8,000 people each sending you a $5 bill = $40,000 cash. That's@ > if everyone responds to this E-mail, but not everyone will, soA > you can expect more realistically to receive about $10,000 cashs > $5 bills in your mailbox.e >e9 > This will work for anyone, anywhere in the world in any + > country, but send only a US CASH $5 bill.  >t7 > The more E-mails you send out, the more cash you willn> > receive. If each person sends out 100 E-mails, there will be: > 1,000,000 people that receive this letter when your name? > reaches the top. If only 1% of those people respond, you will  > still get $50,000 cash.  >e > Here is the list:t< > ---------------------------------------------------------- >e > 1.Matt Mosherp > 3577 Ritchie Rd. > Suisun,Ca. 94585 >e > 2.Alicia Jiruy > 1500 Oliver Rd.e
 > Suite K-117v > Fairfield,Ca. 94533b >n > 3.Tom Manger > 3911 west 25th court > Panama City,Fla. 32405-1203n >a< > ---------------------------------------------------------- > , > THERE'S NOTHING MORE TO DO. When your nameB > reaches the top in a few days, you will start receiving $5 billsC > from other people just like yourself, who are willing to invest a " > $5 bill to receive $10,000 cash. >r" > Nothing ventured, nothing gained% > If you never try you'll never know!r( > In the spirit of FUN, let's play......* > It only takes once to see that it works! >3 >    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 11:45:02 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes* Message-ID: <39fea2ae$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  ] In article <8tkuoh$223$1@news.ccit.arizona.edu>, chd@vms.arizona.edu (Chris De Young) writes:tX >In article <39ECC73E.FB8BBA67@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:1 >>The new kit is available from the Mozilla site.i >>M >>It has been submitted to the OpenVMS site, but I don't think its there yet. ( >>It should be by morning at the latest. >> >f$ >Got it from the Mozilla.org site... >-
 >$ mozilla >Starting mozilla-bin...4 >%DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image CMA$TIS_SHRM >-CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file VMS$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXEp; >-SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable imageo >.O >System is V7.1-1H2, and I do have the ALPLIBR patch.  The date on the PCSI kit .                                        ^^^^^^^M >I got from mozilla.org is 16-OCT-2000 20:31:14.74 - is this the current one?e  @ Have you seen the ALPPTHR02_071 and also the ALPPTHREADS_05071 ?   -- ,< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888:< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:22:08 +0100n' From: Theo Jakobus <jakobus@iaf.fhg.de>   Subject: Re: MOZILLA M18 crashes* Message-ID: <39FED590.36484BAF@iaf.fhg.de>   Chris De Young wrote:  > Y > In article <39ECC73E.FB8BBA67@theblakes.com>, Colin Blake <colin@theblakes.com> writes:e2 > >The new kit is available from the Mozilla site. > > N > >It has been submitted to the OpenVMS site, but I don't think its there yet.) > >It should be by morning at the latest.s > >  > % > Got it from the Mozilla.org site...f >  > $ mozilla/ > Starting mozilla-bin...g5 > %DCL-W-ACTIMAGE, error activating image CMA$TIS_SHReN > -CLI-E-IMGNAME, image file VMS$DKA0:[SYS0.SYSCOMMON.][SYSLIB]CMA$TIS_SHR.EXE< > -SYSTEM-F-SHRIDMISMAT, ident mismatch with shareable image > P > System is V7.1-1H2, and I do have the ALPLIBR patch.  The date on the PCSI kitN > I got from mozilla.org is 16-OCT-2000 20:31:14.74 - is this the current one? > 	 > Thanks,t > -Chris >  > chd@arizona.edus   I'm using MOZILLA M18n $ANALYZE/IMAGE shows:t  Image Identification Information  )                 image name: "MOZILLA-BIN"t1                 image file identification: "V1.0" 3                 image file build identification: ""	7                 link date/time:  9-OCT-2000 19:52:48.39r/                 linker identification: "A11-47"e   I've found 2 bugs:H 1. The program crashes if you got to a page like http://www.java.sun.com    In the release notes:   N http://www.openvms.compaq.com/openvms/products/ips/mozilla_relnotes.html#notes    is written:      Java Support in Mozilla:    Q: Why is there no Java support in Mozilla for OpenVMS?F    A: Mozilla implements Java using OJI (Open JVM Integration). OJI is part of JavaB       Version 1.3, but V1.3 is not yet available on all platforms, including OpenVMS.E       As soon as Java Version 1.3 is available on OpenVMS, it will bes supported in       Mozilla.      Advantages of using OJI are:c<       Multiple Java Virtual Machines (JVMs) can be supported4       Upgrading the JVM used by Mozilla is very easy  H 2. I'm not able to send an e-mail using MOZILLA. The action "Send" givesB    the alert: "Unable to open the temporary file %200s. Check yourD    'Temporary Directory' setting and try again." I couldn't find anyD    information about the definition of this directory. I defined theD    logicals TEMP and TMP on DCL but it didn't help. I guess it needs    to be defined in PREFS.JS.      Regards, -- e  ; *********************************************************** ; *                                                         *	; *  Theo Jakobus                                           *m; *  Fraunhofer-Institut fuer Angewandte Festkoerperphysik  *p; *  Tullastr. 72                                           * ; *  D-79108 Freiburg                                       *i; *  Germany                                                * ; *  Phone:   +49-(0)761-5159-325                           *t; *  FAX :    +49-(0)761-5159-200                           *r; *  e-mail:  jakobus@iaf.fhg.de                            * ; *  http://www.iaf.fhg.de                                  *l; *                                                         * ; ***********************************************************    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:13:33 +0100 (MET) & From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>< Subject: Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files6 Message-ID: <200010310709.IAA13473@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello,  D we do have a lot of PostScript printers without DCPS support (we useD LPD for printing). Now I have the following question: Is it possibleE to translate files in other formats then PostScript like the DCPS do?p3 If yes how to do it, so that the user don't see it?C   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:57:12 +000002 From: Chris Sharman <Chris.Sharman@CCAgroup.co.uk>@ Subject: Re: Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files. Message-ID: <39FE8968.264345D8@CCAgroup.co.uk>   Rudolf Wingert wrote:l >  > Hello, > F > we do have a lot of PostScript printers without DCPS support (we useF > LPD for printing). Now I have the following question: Is it possibleG > to translate files in other formats then PostScript like the DCPS do?s5 > If yes how to do it, so that the user don't see it?   E We do plain text through a devctl library: a PS prolog module to read G and set the following text file. I gave a copy to hoff for freeware. Ifg1 that's not available yet I could mail you a copy.f   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:48:43 -0800 2 From: "Randy Park" <rjpark@mindspring.com.nospaam>@ Subject: Re: Network PostScript printer and non PostScript files3 Message-ID: <8tmtng$ufa$1@nntp9.atl.mindspring.net>   6 There is a commercial product from GrayMatter Software6 called ScriptServer that performs this function.  They+ can be found on the web at www.graysoft.com=    1 Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de> wrote in messaged0 news:200010310709.IAA13473@sinet1.fom.fgan.de... > Hello, >2F > we do have a lot of PostScript printers without DCPS support (we useF > LPD for printing). Now I have the following question: Is it possibleG > to translate files in other formats then PostScript like the DCPS do?i5 > If yes how to do it, so that the user don't see it?e >  > Regards Rudolf Wingert >  >e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:33:07 GMTX From: tim@map.coml) Subject: Re: OpenVMS, java, perl, etc ...o) Message-ID: <8tmvoi$1sc$1@nnrp1.deja.com>c  & In article <39EE799A.6F1A3C8E@cli.de>,+   Bernd Eckstein <B.Eckstein@cli.de> wrote:0. > fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br schrieb: > > ? > > I talked a few time ago: C++, Basic,  and other developemnt  > > products for OVMSc > >g: > Has anyone ever tried the JAVA-IDE Netbeans on OpenVMS ?  F If there's a Java 2 (JDK 1.2) implementation for OpenVMS (I'm afraid I have no clue), it should work.  D I'm one of the guys at NetBeans (Sun, Prague, formerly NetBeans-the-F company), and I'd definitely be interested in whether it works for you@ or not.  Happy to offer some support regarding getting it up and running.  
 Best regards,    Tim Boudreau NetBeans - Sun MicrosystemsD   > --* > Mit freundlichen Gruessen / Best regardsE > B.Eckstein, CLI GmbH - mailto:B.Eckstein@cli.de - http://www.cli.derE > Matthiashofstr. 28, D-52064 Aachen - Fon: +49 241 47051-0, Fax: -89m >o      & Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy.m   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:44:47 -0500n& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server8 Message-ID: <M%zL5.4882$Zq6.192995@wagner.videotron.net>  K I see you are very angry about Oracle and the support you get from them foreH your OpenVMS installation. Maybe you could direct your complaint to AlanK Belancik @ compaq. He certainly would like to know that one of hiscustomershL is going to drop VMS because one of his partners is not doing his job right.   Syltrema    9 "I.A. Saez @tue.nl>" <"i.a.saez.<secret> wrote in message-  news:39FE69A4.2DED1146@tue.nl..., > OpenVMS fully supported by Oracle? No way!8 > Here is my list of complaints about Oracle on OpenVMS: >t/ > - Oracle Apps 11i is not supported on OpenVMS H > - did you ever try to get Oracle I. Agent working on a OpenVMS system?J > - MTS doesn't work properly on OpenVMS; even 8.1.6. has the same problemH > - porting of Oracle products is far behind Unix (some time more than a > year)s > - etc0 >0A > That Oracle is better supported on Unix than OpenVMS is a fact. F > Statements of direction say nothing to me. They sound like "the veryI > soon now" frases of Microsoft. The daily pratice is what matters to me.aJ > I hope that Oracle will support OpenVMS better than in the past, but forI > us it will be too late and I'm sorry because I find OpenVMS a very goodc > OS.  >  >t > Syltrem wrote: > >h > > Oh! Oh!r > > K > > When I read this, it sounded an alarm in my head! How could 7336 be then lastE > > "real" version of Oracle on OpenVMS, given the current agreements  betweenaI > > Oracle and Compaq? And how about the fact that the customer said theya willK > > move to Unix? Hopefully not only because they think Oracle will be moreu! > > supported on that platform...  > > G > > In short, OpenVMS is FULLY supported by Oracle, in details, see thea comment K > > on that from Alan Belancik, OpenVMS Relationship Manager with Oracle at  > > Compaq.  > > L > >  As the OpenVMS Relationship Manager with Oracle, I am in a position toL > > tell you that our two groups are working very closely together. Our goal isC > > to offer customers high performance solutions that are based one AlphaServersJ > > running the Oracle database. These have been put to use in many of the world.C > > 's most mission critical  applications requiring extremely highh > > availability.pG > > Your question dealt with the nature of the Oracle database and itsnH > > applicability to the OpenVMS world. I can assure you that there is a veryJ > > astute team of engineers and managers in place who work on the porting ofI > > the Oracle database to OpenVMS. These people are very well acquainteda withE > > the OpenVMS operating system and work to ensure that the products 	 availableeB > > from Oracle take advantage of OpenVMS's unique attributes. Our
 pioneeringE > > work in clustering has been reflected in Oracle's Parallel Serverv
 offerings.F > > Engineers at Oracle have been working on the interplay between new OpenVMSeF > > technologies, such as the Galaxy Software architecture for dynamicJ > > partitioning, and the new "WildFire" series of AlphaServers, the GS80, GS160m > > and GS320.I > > True, the porting of the Oracle database begins with a set of common' code, H > > however once it is released to the various "platform groups" with in Oracle,iH > > they begin to customize the final product to reflect the features of that. > > operating system and hardware combination.F > > Unfortunately, there is always some confusion in the field. We at Digital E > > Equipment, and now Compaq, have unfortunately contributed to thaty
 confusion.L > > One item of confusion would be the perceived differences between VMS andG > > OpenVMS. Some people have erroneously concluded that VMS is for VAXw systemsuI > > and OpenVMS is for AlphaServer systems. Actually, OpenVMS was the new  nameJ > > applied to ALL VMS in order to better reflect its adherence to many of thebH > > world's standards for openness. I mention this because you reference versionyF > > 7.3.3 6 as being the last real VMS version. It is true that Oracle databaseH > > products were not ported to support VAX systems once Oracle made theC > > transition from their version 7.x products to their 8.x versionr products. ItL > > is very close to being correct that version 7.3.3.6 was the last version forbJ > > VAX systems. However, I do not see how this can be said of AlphaServer > > systems running OpenVMS.L > > Nonetheless, I will confer with my Oracle colleagues to see if they canC > > share any insight into this contention. Naturally, it is in anyr	 company'smJ > > best interest to try to standardize the core of their product in order toK > > reduce operating expenses. Still, they need to be able to customize thetI > > final product to best suit the platform it is intended for as well as E > > optimizing its performance on that platform. We have been workingm closelyiL > > with the engineers in the porting group and in the performance groups to! > > ensure that this is the case.aJ > > We will continue to work with Oracle as our premier database partner. OursI > > user surveys show that approximately 88% of our OpenVMS customers whoo use aoJ > > commercial database use one from Oracle. We will continue to invest in our H > > relationship. One benefit that we expect from this relationship is a productlG > > from Oracle that is best suited for our AlphaServer systems runninga
 > > OpenVMS..aJ > > Please let me know if more information comes to light or how I can be ofI > > further assistance. Again, thank you for bringing this information to  ourlK > > attention. We share your belief that OpenVMS continues to be one of the / > > world's best operating environments - EVER!i! > > Thanks and merci milles fois,r > > Alan > > Alan Belancik- > > Oracle Relationship Manager-! > > OpenVMS System Software Groupn > > 603-884-0363 > > fax: 603-884-2006  > >t= > > "I.A. Saez @tue.nl>" <"i.a.saez.<secret> wrote in messagee$ > > news:39F91C4B.ECB2555E@tue.nl... > > > Malcolm, > > > J > > > We have the same problem with Oracle 7.3.4.4 on OpenVMS 7.1. We have now  > > > a mixrK > > > of MTS and dedicated connections. Dedicated for long running apps andaL > > > MTS for short connections. Oracle did investigate the problem and toldJ > > > me it still exists in 8.1.6 for OpenVMS. Oracle 7.3.3.6 was the last; > > > real VMS version (probably made by VMS especialists).e > > >l > > >y > > >  See (some) of ther tar: > > >a > > >  > > >  27-SEP-00 12:35:39h > > >l > > >e > > >a > > >  27-SEP-00 13:24:41w > > >r> > > >  To reproduce the slow MTS performance (for development)2 > > >  - The following patches are installed here:K > > >  686524-(Base BUG#544858) ORA-602 RUNNING PRO*C WITH TO_DATE AND BINDh > > >  VARIABLES.oH > > >  1055554-(Base BUG#553138) ORA-12612 ON W95 CLIENTS AFTER APPLYING > > >  520734(430972.,K > > >  1218450-(Base BUG#845454) ORA-1403 REFERRING TO CERTAIN PL/SQL TABLEl > > >  ELEMENTS.5 > > >  1326425- ORA-1013 when sqlnet.expire_time > 0. + > > >  1309610-(Base BUG#1021962) MTS SLOW. : > > >  1326725- Listener/Dispatchers consumes Buffered IO.H > > >  - Used the following MTS parameters in V7.3.4.4 INIT.ORA (OTS14): > > >a > > >w > > >  27-SEP-00 14:19:34r > > >d > > >  mts_listener_address =e8 > > > "(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=1521))"> > > >  MTS_DISPATCHERS="(ADDRESS=(PARTIAL=TRUE)(PROTOCOL=TCP)\0 > > >  (HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=5000))(DISPATCHERS=1)"> > > >  MTS_DISPATCHERS="(ADDRESS=(PARTIAL=TRUE)(PROTOCOL=TCP)\0 > > >  (HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=5001))(DISPATCHERS=1)" > > >  mts_servers = 2 > > >  mts_service = ots14F > > >  - Restart the instance --> will register the dispatchers at the > > > listener- > > >  - Now within the database using SCOTT:-I > > >  - Create a BIGEMP table from EMP with a large number of rows in itNC > > >  (I used BIGEMP with 458752 rows) ---> BIGEMP.DMP export filelD > > >  - Create two connect aliases, one for MTS (OTS14) and one for	 DEDICATEDn > > > server > > >  (OTS14D) :i > > >  ots14.world = > > >  (DESCRIPTION =h > > >  (ADDRESS_LIST = > > >  (ADDRESS =  > > >  (PROTOCOL = TCP)f > > >  (Host = nlvms2) > > >  (Port = 1521) > > >  ) > > >  ) > > >  (CONNECT_DATA = > > >  (SID = ots14)" > > >  (GLOBAL_NAME = ots14.world) > > >  ) > > >  ) > > >  ots14d.world =u > > >  (DESCRIPTION =c > > >  (ADDRESS_LIST = > > >  (ADDRESS =. > > >  (PROTOCOL = TCP)u > > >  (Host = nlvms2) > > >  (Port = 1521) > > >  ) > > >  ) > > >  (CONNECT_DATA = > > >  (SID = ots14)" > > >  (GLOBAL_NAME = ots14.world) > > >  (SERVER = DEDICATED)e > > >  ) > > >  )2 > > >  - Create the following test script TEST.SQL7 > > >  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual;> > > >  set termout off;t/ > > >  select * from bigemp where ename='KING';g > > >  set termout on;7 > > >  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual;a > > >  spool a.a# > > >  select count(*) from bigemp;$ > > >  spool off;N7 > > >  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual;  > > >  exit . > > >  - and reproduce the problem as follows:8 > > >  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots14d --> dedicated server > > >  SQL> @test  > > >  14:08:16 --> start time2 > > >  14:08:55 --> end of query with where clause > > >  count(*) --> 458752 > > >  14:09:11 --> end timeI > > >  Total elapsed time : 39 seconds for the first part, 16 seconds for  the  > > > second > > >  Now with MTS:4 > > >  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots14 --> shared server > > >  SQL> @tests > > >  14:12:15 --> start time2 > > >  14:18:12 --> end of query with where clause > > >  count(*) --> 458752 > > >  14:18:29 --> end timeK > > >  Total elapsed time : 357 (!!) seconds for the first part, 17 seconds.
 > > > for theR@ > > >  second part, a huge difference with DEDICATED connection. > > >i > > >u > > >  27-SEP-00 15:47:41e > > >7 > > >  .G > > >  Tested with V8.1.6.0 on OpenVMS (same configuration, same data):k@ > > >  The following patches are installed on this installation:G > > >  patch#1335503 - ORA-1013 on queries when sqlnet.expire_time > 0.b: > > >  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots16d ----> dedicated server > > >  SQL> @test  > > >  15:39:41 --> start time2 > > >  15:40:16 --> end of query with where clause > > >  count(*) --> 458752 > > >  15:40:29 --> end timeI > > >  Total elapsed time : 35 seconds for the first part, 13 seconds fora thei > > >  second part > > >  Now with MTS:6 > > >  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots16 ----> shared server > > >  SQL> @testm > > >  15:45:26 --> start time2 > > >  15:47:34 --> end of query with where clause > > >  count(*) --> 458752 > > >  15:47:47 --> end timeJ > > >  Total elapsed time : 128 seconds for the first part, 13 seconds for theg > > >  second partI > > >  Conclusion: MTS with V816 is better performing than with V7344 butg
 > > > elapsede< > > >  time differs a lot from dedicated server connections.4 > > >  Above needs to be transferred to development. > > >e > > >e > > >  27-SEP-00 17:06:13r > > >hI > > >  Advised customer to not use MTS where elapsed time is impacted ande > > > databaseJ > > >  links are accessed. Customer will setup prespawned server (although nottL > > >  error free) this evening. AGreed on assisting in tuning such prespawn! > > >  environment when needed...l > > >J > > >n > > >  27-SEP-00 17:33:19) > > >s > > >o > > >  > > >  04-OCT-00 12:47:50  > > >yH > > >  Awaiting the results of the case as distributed to development... > > >  > > >a > > >  12-OCT-00 13:02:28l > > >uF > > >  Problem is reproduced by development and under investigation... > > >J > > >t > > >  13-OCT-00 15:06:49s > > >d& > > >  Discussed status with customer:D > > >  - Problem is under control as a mix is made with both MTS and	 dedicatedn5 > > >  (for the long running jobs) server connectionsiL > > >  - Explained that I do not expect a solution on short term based on myJ > > >  contacts with development. As the problem also reproduces with V816L > > >  I expect the problem to be fixed in a future release (and if possible > > >  wil be backported)SI > > >  - Customer stated that a move will be made to Unix within the next* half
 > > > year > > >  === Agreed === L > > >  We decided to close the problem for now as a 'working' environment is > > > setupmI > > >  now. Will update this TAR with the 'internal' developments on this. > > > matter andC > > >  therefore leave status at 14 'Partner (=development) Action'  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > >a > > > Kind regards,  > > >  > > > Ivan Saez  > > > i.a.saez.scheihing@tue.nl- > > >  > > > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > > >  > > >7 > > >- > > > > B > > > >   I'm running Oracle 8.1.6 on a VMS 7.2 system. I've triedD > > > > setting up the MultiThreaded server on this system. It worksB > > > > but the performance with my programs is terrible ( queriesL > > > > that take 1 second with a dedicated server process might take 5 or 6B > > > > with the Multithreaded server, for example ) [ ie all I doF > > > > to get the performance difference is change the client connectD > > > > to include a "SERVER=DEDICATED" parameter]. The programs areB > > > > written using Oracle7 OCI calls, they fetch single rows ofB > > > > data at a time from the database - I realize they could beF > > > > more efficient using array fetch, but it's never been an issue( > > > > with dedicated server processes. > > > >iH > > > >   I realize this is a pretty broad question without more detail,G > > > > but does anyone have similar experiences ( or alternately, goodiH > > > > experiences with the MTS on a VMS system ). Any ideas if there's/ > > > > anything I could do to make MTS useful?F > > > >3 > > > >r > >oL ============================================================================ > > =iB > > > > Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: > > dunnett@mala.bc.caB > > > > Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel:
 (250)755-8738    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:34:36 GMTi3 From: "Gord Coulman" <nospam_gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca>oF Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server: Message-ID: <gEBL5.55373$24.9183043@news0.telusplanet.net>  L Getting Oracle to run right on any platform is no easy task.  On OpenVMS youK have to really know what you are doing and manually edit many configurationoK files and DCL scripts.  I can't help thinking it should not have to be thatp hard.i  L The updates really do lag the other platforms and many Oracle products never make it.  L One thing, though:  Once well set-up, Oracle is rock-solid on OpenVMS, owingK mainly to the stability of the o/s.  My 8.0.5 installation has an uptime of0 313 days and zero hiccups.  
 Just my $0.022   Gord.   / Syltrem <syltrem@videotron.ca> wrote in messageo2 news:M%zL5.4882$Zq6.192995@wagner.videotron.net...I > I see you are very angry about Oracle and the support you get from themP forrJ > your OpenVMS installation. Maybe you could direct your complaint to Alan@ > Belancik @ compaq. He certainly would like to know that one of hiscustomersG > is going to drop VMS because one of his partners is not doing his jobV right. >e	 > Syltremo >e >g; > "I.A. Saez @tue.nl>" <"i.a.saez.<secret> wrote in message6" > news:39FE69A4.2DED1146@tue.nl.... > > OpenVMS fully supported by Oracle? No way!: > > Here is my list of complaints about Oracle on OpenVMS: > >+1 > > - Oracle Apps 11i is not supported on OpenVMSOJ > > - did you ever try to get Oracle I. Agent working on a OpenVMS system?L > > - MTS doesn't work properly on OpenVMS; even 8.1.6. has the same problemJ > > - porting of Oracle products is far behind Unix (some time more than a	 > > year)n	 > > - etcp > > C > > That Oracle is better supported on Unix than OpenVMS is a fact. H > > Statements of direction say nothing to me. They sound like "the veryK > > soon now" frases of Microsoft. The daily pratice is what matters to me.dL > > I hope that Oracle will support OpenVMS better than in the past, but forK > > us it will be too late and I'm sorry because I find OpenVMS a very good  > > OS.F > >8 > >o > > Syltrem wrote: > > >t
 > > > Oh! Oh!o > > >oI > > > When I read this, it sounded an alarm in my head! How could 7336 be: the  > lastG > > > "real" version of Oracle on OpenVMS, given the current agreementsc	 > betweenwK > > > Oracle and Compaq? And how about the fact that the customer said they. > willH > > > move to Unix? Hopefully not only because they think Oracle will be more# > > > supported on that platform...u > > >cI > > > In short, OpenVMS is FULLY supported by Oracle, in details, see thew	 > commentfJ > > > on that from Alan Belancik, OpenVMS Relationship Manager with Oracle at
 > > > Compaq.  > > >aK > > >  As the OpenVMS Relationship Manager with Oracle, I am in a positionA toI > > > tell you that our two groups are working very closely together. Oury goal > isE > > > to offer customers high performance solutions that are based ont > AlphaServersL > > > running the Oracle database. These have been put to use in many of the > world'E > > > 's most mission critical  applications requiring extremely highn > > > availability.iI > > > Your question dealt with the nature of the Oracle database and itsaJ > > > applicability to the OpenVMS world. I can assure you that there is a > veryL > > > astute team of engineers and managers in place who work on the porting > ofK > > > the Oracle database to OpenVMS. These people are very well acquaintedM > withG > > > the OpenVMS operating system and work to ensure that the productse > availableMD > > > from Oracle take advantage of OpenVMS's unique attributes. Our > pioneeringG > > > work in clustering has been reflected in Oracle's Parallel Servert > offerings.H > > > Engineers at Oracle have been working on the interplay between new	 > OpenVMSCH > > > technologies, such as the Galaxy Software architecture for dynamicL > > > partitioning, and the new "WildFire" series of AlphaServers, the GS80, > GS160t > > > and GS320.K > > > True, the porting of the Oracle database begins with a set of commona > code, J > > > however once it is released to the various "platform groups" with in	 > Oracle,pJ > > > they begin to customize the final product to reflect the features of > that0 > > > operating system and hardware combination.H > > > Unfortunately, there is always some confusion in the field. We at	 > DigitalnG > > > Equipment, and now Compaq, have unfortunately contributed to thate > confusion.J > > > One item of confusion would be the perceived differences between VMS andiI > > > OpenVMS. Some people have erroneously concluded that VMS is for VAXa	 > systems K > > > and OpenVMS is for AlphaServer systems. Actually, OpenVMS was the newe > nameL > > > applied to ALL VMS in order to better reflect its adherence to many of > theeJ > > > world's standards for openness. I mention this because you reference	 > versionaH > > > 7.3.3 6 as being the last real VMS version. It is true that Oracle
 > databaseJ > > > products were not ported to support VAX systems once Oracle made theE > > > transition from their version 7.x products to their 8.x versionl > products. ItF > > > is very close to being correct that version 7.3.3.6 was the last versionn > for L > > > VAX systems. However, I do not see how this can be said of AlphaServer > > > systems running OpenVMS.J > > > Nonetheless, I will confer with my Oracle colleagues to see if they cangE > > > share any insight into this contention. Naturally, it is in anye > company'srL > > > best interest to try to standardize the core of their product in order > toI > > > reduce operating expenses. Still, they need to be able to customizem thehK > > > final product to best suit the platform it is intended for as well ashG > > > optimizing its performance on that platform. We have been workingl	 > closelyeK > > > with the engineers in the porting group and in the performance groupse to# > > > ensure that this is the case. L > > > We will continue to work with Oracle as our premier database partner. > OurfK > > > user surveys show that approximately 88% of our OpenVMS customers whoA > use a L > > > commercial database use one from Oracle. We will continue to invest in > ournJ > > > relationship. One benefit that we expect from this relationship is a	 > productlI > > > from Oracle that is best suited for our AlphaServer systems runningd > > > OpenVMS..yL > > > Please let me know if more information comes to light or how I can be > ofK > > > further assistance. Again, thank you for bringing this information to. > ouraI > > > attention. We share your belief that OpenVMS continues to be one ofa thes1 > > > world's best operating environments - EVER! # > > > Thanks and merci milles fois, 
 > > > Alan > > > Alan Belancikc! > > > Oracle Relationship Manager # > > > OpenVMS System Software Group  > > > 603-884-0363 > > > fax: 603-884-2006a > > >h? > > > "I.A. Saez @tue.nl>" <"i.a.saez.<secret> wrote in messagee& > > > news:39F91C4B.ECB2555E@tue.nl... > > > > Malcolm, > > > > L > > > > We have the same problem with Oracle 7.3.4.4 on OpenVMS 7.1. We have > nown
 > > > > a mixfI > > > > of MTS and dedicated connections. Dedicated for long running apps  and I > > > > MTS for short connections. Oracle did investigate the problem andW toldL > > > > me it still exists in 8.1.6 for OpenVMS. Oracle 7.3.3.6 was the last= > > > > real VMS version (probably made by VMS especialists).h > > > >o > > > >m  > > > >  See (some) of ther tar: > > > >l > > > >  > > > >  27-SEP-00 12:35:39i > > > >n > > > >  > > > >x > > > >  27-SEP-00 13:24:41s > > > >c@ > > > >  To reproduce the slow MTS performance (for development)4 > > > >  - The following patches are installed here:H > > > >  686524-(Base BUG#544858) ORA-602 RUNNING PRO*C WITH TO_DATE AND BIND > > > >  VARIABLES.iJ > > > >  1055554-(Base BUG#553138) ORA-12612 ON W95 CLIENTS AFTER APPLYING > > > >  520734(430972.eG > > > >  1218450-(Base BUG#845454) ORA-1403 REFERRING TO CERTAIN PL/SQLd TABLEm > > > >  ELEMENTS.7 > > > >  1326425- ORA-1013 when sqlnet.expire_time > 0. - > > > >  1309610-(Base BUG#1021962) MTS SLOW.-< > > > >  1326725- Listener/Dispatchers consumes Buffered IO.J > > > >  - Used the following MTS parameters in V7.3.4.4 INIT.ORA (OTS14): > > > >c > > > >  > > > >  27-SEP-00 14:19:34o > > > >  > > > >  mts_listener_address = : > > > > "(ADDRESS=(PROTOCOL=tcp)(HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=1521))"@ > > > >  MTS_DISPATCHERS="(ADDRESS=(PARTIAL=TRUE)(PROTOCOL=TCP)\2 > > > >  (HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=5000))(DISPATCHERS=1)"@ > > > >  MTS_DISPATCHERS="(ADDRESS=(PARTIAL=TRUE)(PROTOCOL=TCP)\2 > > > >  (HOST=nlvms2)(PORT=5001))(DISPATCHERS=1)" > > > >  mts_servers = 2 > > > >  mts_service = ots14H > > > >  - Restart the instance --> will register the dispatchers at the > > > > listener/ > > > >  - Now within the database using SCOTT:hK > > > >  - Create a BIGEMP table from EMP with a large number of rows in itiE > > > >  (I used BIGEMP with 458752 rows) ---> BIGEMP.DMP export fileIF > > > >  - Create two connect aliases, one for MTS (OTS14) and one for > DEDICATEDO > > > > server > > > >  (OTS14D) :5 > > > >  ots14.world = > > > >  (DESCRIPTION =O > > > >  (ADDRESS_LIST = > > > >  (ADDRESS =  > > > >  (PROTOCOL = TCP)5 > > > >  (Host = nlvms2) > > > >  (Port = 1521)
 > > > >  )
 > > > >  ) > > > >  (CONNECT_DATA = > > > >  (SID = ots14)$ > > > >  (GLOBAL_NAME = ots14.world)
 > > > >  )
 > > > >  ) > > > >  ots14d.world =  > > > >  (DESCRIPTION =  > > > >  (ADDRESS_LIST = > > > >  (ADDRESS =l > > > >  (PROTOCOL = TCP)( > > > >  (Host = nlvms2) > > > >  (Port = 1521)
 > > > >  )
 > > > >  ) > > > >  (CONNECT_DATA = > > > >  (SID = ots14)$ > > > >  (GLOBAL_NAME = ots14.world) > > > >  (SERVER = DEDICATED)E
 > > > >  )
 > > > >  )4 > > > >  - Create the following test script TEST.SQL9 > > > >  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual;  > > > >  set termout off; 1 > > > >  select * from bigemp where ename='KING';t > > > >  set termout on;9 > > > >  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual;f > > > >  spool a.a% > > > >  select count(*) from bigemp;B > > > >  spool off;s9 > > > >  select to_char(sysdate, 'hh24:mi:ss') from dual; 
 > > > >  exitr0 > > > >  - and reproduce the problem as follows:: > > > >  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots14d --> dedicated server > > > >  SQL> @testS  > > > >  14:08:16 --> start time4 > > > >  14:08:55 --> end of query with where clause > > > >  count(*) --> 458752 > > > >  14:09:11 --> end timeK > > > >  Total elapsed time : 39 seconds for the first part, 16 seconds for  > the4 > > > > second > > > >  Now with MTS:6 > > > >  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots14 --> shared server > > > >  SQL> @testt  > > > >  14:12:15 --> start time4 > > > >  14:18:12 --> end of query with where clause > > > >  count(*) --> 458752 > > > >  14:18:29 --> end timeE > > > >  Total elapsed time : 357 (!!) seconds for the first part, 17s secondsT > > > > for thecB > > > >  second part, a huge difference with DEDICATED connection. > > > >  > > > >  > > > >  27-SEP-00 15:47:41' > > > > 
 > > > >  .I > > > >  Tested with V8.1.6.0 on OpenVMS (same configuration, same data):lB > > > >  The following patches are installed on this installation:I > > > >  patch#1335503 - ORA-1013 on queries when sqlnet.expire_time > 0.-< > > > >  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots16d ----> dedicated server > > > >  SQL> @testi  > > > >  15:39:41 --> start time4 > > > >  15:40:16 --> end of query with where clause > > > >  count(*) --> 458752 > > > >  15:40:29 --> end timeK > > > >  Total elapsed time : 35 seconds for the first part, 13 seconds fort > the1 > > > >  second part > > > >  Now with MTS:8 > > > >  $ sqlplus scott/tiger@ots16 ----> shared server > > > >  SQL> @testt  > > > >  15:45:26 --> start time4 > > > >  15:47:34 --> end of query with where clause > > > >  count(*) --> 458752 > > > >  15:47:47 --> end timeL > > > >  Total elapsed time : 128 seconds for the first part, 13 seconds for > the  > > > >  second partK > > > >  Conclusion: MTS with V816 is better performing than with V7344 butE > > > > elapsed > > > > >  time differs a lot from dedicated server connections.6 > > > >  Above needs to be transferred to development. > > > >l > > > >s > > > >  27-SEP-00 17:06:131 > > > >OK > > > >  Advised customer to not use MTS where elapsed time is impacted andr > > > > databaseL > > > >  links are accessed. Customer will setup prespawned server (although > not E > > > >  error free) this evening. AGreed on assisting in tuning such0 prespawn# > > > >  environment when needed...5 > > > >f > > > >r > > > >  27-SEP-00 17:33:19i > > > >s > > > >t > > > >N > > > >  04-OCT-00 12:47:50s > > > >gJ > > > >  Awaiting the results of the case as distributed to development... > > > >  > > > >3 > > > >  12-OCT-00 13:02:28  > > > > H > > > >  Problem is reproduced by development and under investigation... > > > >  > > > >d > > > >  13-OCT-00 15:06:49n > > > >h( > > > >  Discussed status with customer:F > > > >  - Problem is under control as a mix is made with both MTS and > dedicated 7 > > > >  (for the long running jobs) server connectionsAK > > > >  - Explained that I do not expect a solution on short term based on0 myL > > > >  contacts with development. As the problem also reproduces with V816E > > > >  I expect the problem to be fixed in a future release (and ifs possible > > > >  wil be backported) K > > > >  - Customer stated that a move will be made to Unix within the next  > half > > > > year > > > >  === Agreed === K > > > >  We decided to close the problem for now as a 'working' environment7 is
 > > > > setup K > > > >  now. Will update this TAR with the 'internal' developments on this  > > > > matter andE > > > >  therefore leave status at 14 'Partner (=development) Action'n > > > >t > > > >. > > > >  > > > >  > > > > Kind regards,s > > > >  > > > > Ivan Saeza! > > > > i.a.saez.scheihing@tue.nlm > > > >  > > > > Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > > > >d > > > >e > > > > 	 > > > > >oD > > > > >   I'm running Oracle 8.1.6 on a VMS 7.2 system. I've triedF > > > > > setting up the MultiThreaded server on this system. It worksD > > > > > but the performance with my programs is terrible ( queriesL > > > > > that take 1 second with a dedicated server process might take 5 or 6dD > > > > > with the Multithreaded server, for example ) [ ie all I doH > > > > > to get the performance difference is change the client connectF > > > > > to include a "SERVER=DEDICATED" parameter]. The programs areD > > > > > written using Oracle7 OCI calls, they fetch single rows ofD > > > > > data at a time from the database - I realize they could beH > > > > > more efficient using array fetch, but it's never been an issue* > > > > > with dedicated server processes.	 > > > > >eJ > > > > >   I realize this is a pretty broad question without more detail,I > > > > > but does anyone have similar experiences ( or alternately, good J > > > > > experiences with the MTS on a VMS system ). Any ideas if there's1 > > > > > anything I could do to make MTS useful?i	 > > > > > 	 > > > > >  > > >w > L ============================================================================ > > > =rD > > > > > Malcolm Dunnett      Malaspina University-College   Email: > > > dunnett@mala.bc.caD > > > > > Information Systems  Nanaimo, B.C. CANADA V9R 5S5     Tel: > (250)755-8738  >n >r   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 07:48:39 -07001 From: nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolm Dunnett)oF Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server, Message-ID: <78+xQasHPsWs@malvm1.mala.bc.ca>  ; In article <gEBL5.55373$24.9183043@news0.telusplanet.net>, t;       "Gord Coulman" <nospam_gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca> writes:l  N > Getting Oracle to run right on any platform is no easy task.  On OpenVMS youM > have to really know what you are doing and manually edit many configuration M > files and DCL scripts.  I can't help thinking it should not have to be that= > hard.i > I     As the person who started this thread let me say I'm not unhappy withtH Oracle on VMS in general ( other than the ridiculously long lag time it J took to get an 8.1.x version released for VMS ). However it seems, from myI experience and the comments of others here, that the Multithreaded Server J is useless on VMS and that Oracle has no great interest in addressing thisJ ("might be fixed in a future version"). I have to suspect that if the sameH problem occured on Solaris they'd be burning the midnight oil to fix it.  E     It seems that outside the closed audience of existing Oracle/VMS  J customers Oracle doesn't even have any interest in admitting a VMS versionG exists. Oracle 8i Standard edition has been available on VMS since lastnE spring, but if you check Oracles web page on availability of Standards edition:O (http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/availability/index.html?content.html)p  %    you'll not see any mention of VMS.u   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:40:23 -0500 0 From: David Beatty <David.Beatty.NOSPAM@sas.com>F Subject: Re: Oracle/VMS performance problems with Multithreaded Server2 Message-ID: <fgP=OUnSuWf3=QYV8oRBOhdP=Kgi@4ax.com>  C     I ran an Alpha-FDDI cluster at my previous place of employment oE using VMS V6.2-1H3 and Oracle V7.1.5 with MTS.  MTS ran like a charm.uC So ... MTS is not useless, but from the observation in this current : thread, it sounds like its pretty broken in V8.1.6 on VMS.  E     I'll have to ask someone I know that's an Oracle consultant about  that.l   David R. Beattye  A On 31 Oct 2000 07:48:39 -0700, nothome@spammers.are.scum (Malcolme Dunnett) wrote:s  < >In article <gEBL5.55373$24.9183043@news0.telusplanet.net>, < >      "Gord Coulman" <nospam_gcoulman@ccinet.ab.ca> writes: > O >> Getting Oracle to run right on any platform is no easy task.  On OpenVMS you N >> have to really know what you are doing and manually edit many configurationN >> files and DCL scripts.  I can't help thinking it should not have to be that >> hard. >> hJ >    As the person who started this thread let me say I'm not unhappy withI >Oracle on VMS in general ( other than the ridiculously long lag time it  K >took to get an 8.1.x version released for VMS ). However it seems, from mysJ >experience and the comments of others here, that the Multithreaded ServerK >is useless on VMS and that Oracle has no great interest in addressing this K >("might be fixed in a future version"). I have to suspect that if the samerI >problem occured on Solaris they'd be burning the midnight oil to fix it.d >mF >    It seems that outside the closed audience of existing Oracle/VMS K >customers Oracle doesn't even have any interest in admitting a VMS version H >exists. Oracle 8i Standard edition has been available on VMS since lastF >spring, but if you check Oracles web page on availability of Standard	 >edition:aP >(http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/availability/index.html?content.html) >s& >   you'll not see any mention of VMS.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:51:55 -0500 (EST)r From: nileriver@addr.com Subject: PAY IT FORWARD!- Message-ID: <0G3B00EDF06IA0@mx.east.saic.com>b   I hope this finds you well!   * I have taken the liberty to send you this & email because I am very excited about ) an Internet opportunity that I have just q become involved with.    IT HAS NOW BEATEN EVERY NEW  LAUNCH ON THE INTERNET!!! 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YOU WILL BE AT THE TOP!!!    * Looking forward to hearing from you soon!   	 Regards,     Nile Khalaf.  5 -----------------------------------------------------o1 If this message reaches you in error, I aplogise. * You will NOT receive any further messages.8 So if you are interested, you've got to take action NOW.   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:09:04 +0100 (CET) : From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>/ Subject: Re: Problems zipping big Oracle exportyJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010311002120.28561-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  8 On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, SysAdmin (David J. Dachtera) wrote: [...] < +Personally, I still can't believe that people are trying toF +compress/archive files of that size. I would have thought the computeH +power requirements would be prohibitive: ZIP typically eats up (almost)H +an entire CPU, VAX or Alpha, and a file of that size could take tens of. +hours (VAX) or hours (Alpha) to compress, no?  
  Yes. No. -:) D  Last time have personally use that on site, where the "maintenance"E (programmers) computer was connected only thru Ethernet (10Mb=>1MB/s)r& and was needed move of database files.E  This type files compress great, the database was only partly fileed tD - and the resulting compression was near 20%. In effect the compressF & decompress time + transfer was *faster* with .ZIP. Ok, the processor$ usage was not a problem this time...    Regards - Gotfryd   --  E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEo. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:34:03 +0000  From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>2/ Subject: Re: Problems zipping big Oracle exporte' Message-ID: <39FEE66B.9EECBCD1@fsi.net>3  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > : > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, SysAdmin (David J. Dachtera) wrote: > [...] > > +Personally, I still can't believe that people are trying toH > +compress/archive files of that size. I would have thought the computeJ > +power requirements would be prohibitive: ZIP typically eats up (almost)J > +an entire CPU, VAX or Alpha, and a file of that size could take tens of0 > +hours (VAX) or hours (Alpha) to compress, no? >  >  Yes. No. -:) F >  Last time have personally use that on site, where the "maintenance"G > (programmers) computer was connected only thru Ethernet (10Mb=>1MB/s):( > and was needed move of database files.F >  This type files compress great, the database was only partly fileedF > - and the resulting compression was near 20%. In effect the compressH > & decompress time + transfer was *faster* with .ZIP. Ok, the processor& > usage was not a problem this time...  D Well, if the file only compresses by 20%, I'd consider that minimal.E Start up the transfer and go home for the evening - pick it up in the  morning.  F On the other hand, if the file compresses to 20% of it's original sizeF (1,638,400 blocks or so), then *THAT* is still huge, but a significant savings in transfer time.   D ...assuming you can even convince ZIP to accept it. Again, I'd stillC consider some form of removeable media to be the preferred transfer_ method for a file *THAT* big.P  ? Perhaps some pressure can be brought to bear on both Compaq andA> Castlewood (http://www.castlewood.com/) to make the Orb drivesG (cartridge drive, 2.08GBF in ODS-2) work better with OpenVMS's DKDRIVEREG and such. Maybe convince Castlewood to do an OVMS-friendly firmware for F their drives, and/or convince DKDRIVER to make more allowances for theF quirks of 3rd party SCSI drives (please, let's not restart the earlier thread on that topic, huh?)...   David J. Dachtera    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:54:16 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>GA Subject: Re: Questions about SHOW MEM/SLOTS and swapped processesr) Message-ID: <39FEC0F8.294C85CC@bbc.co.uk>    "Alan E. Feldman" wrote:   > Hello, >oG > We have a test system with very little memory (8Mb). It is a MicroVAX D > 3100-80 running VMS V6.1. Here is a typical SHOW MEM/SLOTS output:  J I have a 3100 M80 too, take it from me, if you can upgrade the RAM, do it.H We went from 24 to 80 Mbyte and things got a LOT easier to to. Mind you,E the memory self test at power on takes forever with 80 MByte onboard.R   Regards  --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:00:27 -0500a2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?* Message-ID: <39FEC26B.FD612808@oracle.com>   Alan Greig wrote:s > 3 > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 15:33:36 +0000, Tim Llewellyn " > <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote: >  > >e > >  > >Alan Greig wrote: > >  > >> > >>J > >> Oracle have dropped plans to release a commercial RDB for NT. HoweverG > >> there is an unsupported RDB for NT available for download from the @ > >> Oracle web site.  Free to any licensed users of RDB on VMS. > >> > > K > >Hmmm, just why, if you had a pucker Rdb for VMS, would you want to run a2 > >free, > >unsupported one on NT?  > >T > F > Several people should really be shot in the RDB management team. DEC. > spent a fortune porting RDB to OSF-1/DigitalH > Unix/Tru-64/whatever-its-called-tomorrow only to sell it to Oracle whoG > then dropped it. Oracle then spent a fortune porting it to NT only torF > drop it (although blaming Compaq for forcing them to do so). I'm not4 > sure if the NT port was initiated before the sale.  7 	Couple minor clarifications.  The customer base wasn'tn= there for Rdb on Unix - the sales simply didn't happen.  Why? = I dunno - doesn't make much difference now.  The NT thing was - a lack of support for the compilers.  Period.n  G > Mind you with the message at that time being that VMS was legacy theyh& > probably thought they had no choice.  & 	I'm not sure what you're refering to.   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 10:04:33 -0500/ From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com (Jordan Henderson)t" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?* Message-ID: <8tmn21$1d2$1@lisa.gemair.com>  ) In article <39FD94D0.3FF543A4@bbc.co.uk>, / Tim Llewellyn  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:f >t >r >Alan Greig wrote: >h >> >>H >> Oracle have dropped plans to release a commercial RDB for NT. HoweverE >> there is an unsupported RDB for NT available for download from thet> >> Oracle web site.  Free to any licensed users of RDB on VMS. >> > I >Hmmm, just why, if you had a pucker Rdb for VMS, would you want to run ad$                               ^^^^^^  B pucker?  Must be some British usage with which I'm unfamiliar.  I F gather from context that it means something like "working" or "great", possibly "fabulous".  E My dictionary only has the verb "to fold or to make wrinkled" and theaC noun "a fold or wrinkle in a surface".  No adjective.  I doubt that6/ the adjective "puckered" is what is meant here.u   >free, >unsupported one on NT?e >n >  > --7 >Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Projectt1 >MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.rB >Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk > B >I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of >MedAS or the BBC. >  >    -Jordan Henderson  jordan@greenapple.com5   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:42:16 +0000e- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>C" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?) Message-ID: <39FEE858.9397BCE6@bbc.co.uk>e   Jordan Henderson wrote:   + > In article <39FD94D0.3FF543A4@bbc.co.uk>, 1 > Tim Llewellyn  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:  >-K > >Hmmm, just why, if you had a pucker Rdb for VMS, would you want to run a & >                               ^^^^^^ >oC > pucker?  Must be some British usage with which I'm unfamiliar.  IhH > gather from context that it means something like "working" or "great", > possibly "fabulous".  F yup, top of the range state of the art, money is no object type thing.  ; I think I picked it up from a rather verbose contractor whotD I worked with a while back, but I have heard it used in this context
 on TV etc.   --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukl  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.v   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:06:12 +0100g( From: Etienne Vogt <vogt@alice.obspm.fr> Subject: RQDX3 going offline. Message-ID: <39FEFC04.A2AF265E@alice.obspm.fr>  	 Hi there,e  F  I have a problem with an RQDX3 controller on a VaxStation 3200 systemG (yeah, I know it's old), that is giving me errors and then goes offline I until a reboot, after which it works again for a few hours to a few days,e& then start giving errors again, etc...  J  I have put the result of anal/error at the end of this message. Is anyone3 able to tell me what this "error code #475" means ? K  Also, this machine is for long out of any maintenance contract, so callingoI field service is not an available option. I have some spare RQDX3s thoughe if it needs to be replaced.e   Thanks in advance,    ( MESOPK$anal/error/include=pu/since=todayL Error Log Report Generator                                      Version V6.1O  ******************************* ENTRY    5849. ******************************* O  ERROR SEQUENCE 38110.                           LOGGED ON:        SID 0A000004 O  DATE/TIME 31-OCT-2000 16:11:13.46                            SYS_TYPE 01120102i  SYSTEM UPTIME: 1 DAYS 03:52:30mK  SCS NODE: MESOPK                                              VAX/VMS V6.2   =  DEVICE ATTENTION  KA650  CPU FW REV# 5.  CONSOLE FW REV# 1.2=  >  "DSA" PORT SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _MESOPK$PUD0:, "SA" ERROR BIT SET            SA                  81DBe7                                        ERROR CODE #475. ,                                        ERROR    INIT SEQUENCE          UCB$W_PORTSTEP1     0B40-D                                        PORT SUPPORTS ADDRESS MAPPINGG                                        ENHANCED DIAGNOSTICS IMPLEMENTEDcG                                        22-BIT HOST ADDRESSING SUPPORTEDl-                                        STEP 1n        UCB$W_HOSTSTEP1     A4B3GE                                        INTERRUPT VECTOR 000314(OCTAL)e7                                        INTERRUPT ENABLES>                                        16. RING RESPONSE SLOTS=                                        16. COMMAND RING SLOTSi        UCB$W_PORTSTEP2     10A4a>                                        16. RING RESPONSE SLOTS=                                        16. COMMAND RING SLOTSt-                                        STEP 2         UCB$W_HOSTSTEP2     4DD0         UCB$W_PORTSTEP3     20B3 F                                        INTERRUPT VECTOR 000314 (OCTAL)7                                        INTERRUPT ENABLEs-                                        STEP 3u        UCB$W_HOSTSTEP3     0003hD                                        MAPPING REGISTER #38 SELECTED        UCB$W_PORTSTEP4     4134s@                                        CONTROLLER MICRO-CODE #4.4                                        PORT IS RQDX3-                                        STEP 4i        UCB$W_HOSTSTEP4     0403e)                                        GOb@                                        HOST REQUESTS "LAST FAIL"D                                        CONTROLLER SCRATCHPAD PRESENTD                                        "BURST" 2. 16-BIT TRANSFER(S)    MAPPING ALLOCATION INFORMATION0          VEC$L_MAPREG    001081A6yH                                        "MPR" #422. STARTING MAP REGISTERE                                        "MPR"(S) PERMANENTLY ALLOCATED D                                        16. MAP REGISTER(S) ALLOCATED6                                        DIRECT DATAPATH        ORB$L_OWNER     00010004s:                                        OWNER UIC [001,004]        UCB$L_CHAR      0C450000 /                                        SHARABLEk0                                        AVAILABLE4                                        ERROR LOGGING7                                        CAPABLE OF INPUT 8                                        CAPABLE OF OUTPUT        UCB$W_STS           0010u-                                        ONLINEl        UCB$L_OPCNT     00000000 9                                        0. QIO'S THIS UNIT         UCB$W_ERRCNT        0002a:                                        2. ERRORS THIS UNIT        UCB$W_NUMBINITS     0001h7                                        1. INIT SEQUENCEhO  ******************************* ENTRY    5850. *******************************rO  ERROR SEQUENCE 38111.                           LOGGED ON:        SID 0A000004 O  DATE/TIME 31-OCT-2000 16:11:26.18                            SYS_TYPE 01120102   SYSTEM UPTIME: 1 DAYS 03:52:42 K  SCS NODE: MESOPK                                              VAX/VMS V6.2   =  DEVICE ATTENTION  KA650  CPU FW REV# 5.  CONSOLE FW REV# 1.2   A  "DSA" PORT SUB-SYSTEM, UNIT _MESOPK$PUD0:, INIT SEQUENCE FAILURE           SA                  0B40eD                                        PORT SUPPORTS ADDRESS MAPPINGG                                        ENHANCED DIAGNOSTICS IMPLEMENTEDSG                                        22-BIT HOST ADDRESSING SUPPORTED -                                        STEP 1a    INIT SEQUENCE          UCB$W_PORTSTEP1     0B40aD                                        PORT SUPPORTS ADDRESS MAPPINGG                                        ENHANCED DIAGNOSTICS IMPLEMENTED0G                                        22-BIT HOST ADDRESSING SUPPORTEDR-                                        STEP 1m        UCB$W_HOSTSTEP1     A4B3 E                                        INTERRUPT VECTOR 000314(OCTAL) 7                                        INTERRUPT ENABLEq>                                        16. RING RESPONSE SLOTS=                                        16. COMMAND RING SLOTS         UCB$W_PORTSTEP2     0000E        UCB$W_HOSTSTEP2     4DD0!        UCB$W_PORTSTEP3     0000l        UCB$W_HOSTSTEP3     0003ED                                        MAPPING REGISTER #38 SELECTED        UCB$W_PORTSTEP4     0000s        UCB$W_HOSTSTEP4     0403t)                                        GO @                                        HOST REQUESTS "LAST FAIL"D                                        CONTROLLER SCRATCHPAD PRESENTD                                        "BURST" 2. 16-BIT TRANSFER(S)    MAPPING ALLOCATION INFORMATIONy          VEC$L_MAPREG    001081A6SH                                        "MPR" #422. STARTING MAP REGISTERE                                        "MPR"(S) PERMANENTLY ALLOCATEDoD                                        16. MAP REGISTER(S) ALLOCATED6                                        DIRECT DATAPATH        ORB$L_OWNER     00010004A:                                        OWNER UIC [001,004]        UCB$L_CHAR      0C450000U/                                        SHARABLE.0                                        AVAILABLE4                                        ERROR LOGGING7                                        CAPABLE OF INPUT 8                                        CAPABLE OF OUTPUT        UCB$W_STS           0040y0                                        TIMED OUT        UCB$L_OPCNT     00000000 9                                        0. QIO'S THIS UNITo        UCB$W_ERRCNT        0003O:                                        3. ERRORS THIS UNIT        UCB$W_NUMBINITS     0002V7                                        2. INIT SEQUENCEl   -- a# 		Etienne Vogt (vogt @ na.astro.it)e) 		Osservatorio Astronomico di Capodimonte  		Napoli, Italia   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:20:48 +0100 (CET)!: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl># Subject: Re: SHAREWARE: txt2pdf 4.1iJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010311015510.28561-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  , On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, SANFACE Software wrote:  6 +txt2pdf is a very flexible and powerful PERL5 programA +(5 penguins at LinuxBerg, 5 cows at TuCows Mac, BeOS and PSION).-  ;  Mhm... Really. And then you are obligated to send the infoG( to info-VAX, a VMS discuission group -:]/  Och, yes, you don't know what VAX nor VMS is ?e6  Ok, you need a FAQ - how much time you will get it ?     -;>.  Or you need a VMS doc to read something ? -;>  :  Excuse some mailicious, but you send a *SPAM* - and AFAIR: not first time. You really request the readers to send you FAQ or something... -:>l    Regards - Gotfryd   -- pE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEA. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================m   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:26:46 +0100 (CET)v: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl># Subject: Re: SHAREWARE: txt2pdf 4.1nJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010311023330.28561-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>    Ooooops...f,  Have carefully check your site and find on:" http://www.sanface.com/tmpdir.html  the word "OpenVMS".4  Excuse the previous message, you don't need FAQ -;); but *nor* in the message *nor* on you txt2pdf homepage the ,< VMS name is mentioned... And have suspect that you inform us) of next great PC&MAC&Linux only program !z  Correction welcome....=    Regards - Gotfryd   -- =E ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEc. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================S   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:21:37 +0000b From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net> # Subject: Re: SHAREWARE: txt2pdf 4.1e' Message-ID: <39FEE381.74565A15@fsi.net>w  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > 
 >  Ooooops...u. >  Have carefully check your site and find on:$ > http://www.sanface.com/tmpdir.html >  the word "OpenVMS".6 >  Excuse the previous message, you don't need FAQ -;)< > but *nor* in the message *nor* on you txt2pdf homepage the> > VMS name is mentioned... And have suspect that you inform us+ > of next great PC&MAC&Linux only program !s >  Correction welcome....s  H Perhaps Dan S. will chime in here, but I thought perl was perl, OVMS not4 withstanding. There is perl for OVMS, after all, no?   ...IMHO.   David J. Dachteraa   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:14:17 GMT.C From: "Jean Paul COMPTOUR" <jean-paul.comptour@ceric-automation.fr>a# Subject: Sixel compatible Printer s 4 Message-ID: <J3wL5.799$ej5.2686048@nnrp3.proxad.net>   Hi all,n  D I am looking for PC printers compatibles with sixel protocol, or any converter which could converth+ this protocol for working on a PC printer .i   Thanks for your help.a   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:16:48 -0600e/ From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>h' Subject: Re: Sixel compatible Printer seO Message-ID: <A97434B764069F6B.B91FE079E23A11A2.5F2F6488E899A52F@lp.airnews.net>l   Jean Paul COMPTOUR wrote:r > 	 > Hi all,e > F > I am looking for PC printers compatibles with sixel protocol, or any > converter which could convertO- > this protocol for working on a PC printer .r  % DCPS can convert sixel to Postscript.s  G If by "PC printer", you mean a printer connected to a PC, this probablyr won't help you.h  D But if you have Pathworks, you can have your PC print to a VMS queueE supported by DCPS.  This will allow you to print sixel documents froml the PC.b  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------e$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com s   Fax: 817-237-3074e   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:21:17 +0100 (MET)H& From: Rudolf Wingert <win@fom.fgan.de>' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughere6 Message-ID: <200010310717.IAA22669@sinet1.fom.fgan.de>   Hello (Andrew),o  B what you can do with Solaris 8, I can do also with OpenVMS. If youE install the SIP without purge and you do prevent the installed images,D to be replaced, then you need not to reboot the system directly. YouC can wait until the application finishes or walk to an other node. I C did do this, if I have to install more then one patch with the needAH of reboot. All the patches give you a warning, that only reboot activate8 the patch, but you can reboot later without any problem.   Regards Rudolf Wingert   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:15:23 +0010e% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au5' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laughere5 Message-ID: <01JVZXTJLJTE005ZKX@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>r   Jean-Francois wrote:   >John Santos wrote:dH >> This transparent cluster node shutdown business that Kerry and AndrewJ >> have been arguing about pertains to production servers, not developmentH >> systems.  Presumably, programmers know how to save their work and howI >> to log in and out at will...  (I never log out, either, though my workpF >> station, which I use mostly as a glorified multi-session VT with anI >> oversized screen, does lock itself if idle for more than a half hour.)l > O >If you plan to shutdown a node "tonight", then you can send a broadcast to alloM >users connected to that one node telling them about the shutdown, and askingoG >them to log out at their convenience and log back in , or reboot theirpF >workstation to be served by a node that won't be shutdown that night.  O I'm like John, I never logout, just put my screens on pause.  My processes are y( normally up as long as the machines are.  O I was away for four months earlier this year and ended up with a lot of irrate yL emails from my colleagues who took over supervision of our system.  My mail O account is on a VLC with only a small disk, and guess where the mail came from -4 to flood my disk :-)  I wouldn't see the broadcasts.  Q I'm away again from Dec to May and I've had to promise that I shall logout.  I'm cP also swapping to a larger disk for my Info-VAX mail (I hate to miss some of the  fun) :-)   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,a
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiae   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,.; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.o   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 07:30:33 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen) ' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugherh+ Message-ID: <OmmmvxNi3fak@eisner.decus.org>u   In article <rdeininger-3010002310230001@user-2ivebbg.dialup.mindspring.com>, rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger) writes:eZ > In article <1001030211839.13148A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote: >  > M >> VIRTUAL TERMINALS DO WORK WITH TELNET!  I'm not sure about DECterm or SET d >> HOST. > K > Hmm.  I'll have to look into this again.  I'm sure it was a no-no when I e > last checked.c  @ Obviously such a consideration can vary depending on what TCP/IP@ product you use (or used the last time you checked).  Beyond the? question of what they have implemented is the separate issue of3! how well they have documented it.i   >> This is essential for cA >> accountability.  Otherwise you can't really tell who did what.. > L > Ummm.  I don't follow you.  Unless you only allow 1 user at a time, how doL > enforced logouts improve accountability?  Is this kind of like the network+ > security goons who just unplug the wires?   C VMS has lots of auditing capability, but it is all tied back to who G logged in.  If an Rdb record gets modified, or a VMS file gets deleted,hI you can have a guaranteed record of who did it _PROVIDED_PEOPLE_LOG_OUT_.b  D For workstations, screensavers will also do the trick, provided theyB are invoked from the workstation itself, rather than from a remoteC system (lest taking down the remote system remove the screensaver).    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 07:46:24 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)o' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugherm+ Message-ID: <S8GxBoLzIAuD@eisner.decus.org>o  Y In article <1001030231950.13148A-100000@Ives.egh.com>, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> writes:-. > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000, Robert Deininger wrote:  I >> Maybe Kerry has the old Digital sickness.  He's assuming he knows the fG >> customer's needs, even when they tell him something quite different.h > C > This may not match your need, but it does match the needs of many, > customers.  F I have met Kerry in person, and my impression is that the environmentsF he discusses have nothing to do with the environment inside Compaq. HeF has job responsibilities that involve dealing with individual customerF sites in Canada.   The variety of installations he mentioned indicatesF to me that he probably switches from one customer to another more thanE Andrew does on behalf of Sun, which may explain why he does not think < all resiliant applications depend on Oracle Parallel Server.  F I don't think the purpose of this "transparent system maintenance withD no loss of application availability" has much of anything to do withG protecting Kerry Main, Andrew Harrison, Robert Deininger or John Santos D from having to reconnect their 36" workstations to multiple servers.E They are experienced computer professionals who can deal with it (and D are probably the ones who scheduled the shutdown anyway).  It is, asB John says, the population of true end users who must be protected.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:51:29 +0000 - From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>S' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher ) Message-ID: <39FEC051.44FF1253@bbc.co.uk>R   Bill Gunshannon wrote:   > 6 > And not unique to OpenVMS.  Now I'm really confused. >W  E Are rolling cluster upgrades not a unique VMS feature? I thought theySS were, but I might be wrong. As the cluster remains intact, all the locking context,N< shared bus disks etc remain available to the other memebers.  -- 6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.1   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:35:53 -0500R4 From: "Bochnik, William J" <BochnikWJ@bernstein.com>' Subject: RE: Sun "uptime" belly laugherEJ Message-ID: <2B37459189B0D211BE710000F8EF9D850566856C@nts0147.beehive.com>  E Granted there are all different kinds of systems in use (interactive, I database backends, mail servers, file servers, etc etc etc), but the plan K shown below worked for years at my old job.  Most users were nice enough to L get off the system within minutes of getting the message; a few would ignoreI the message, but that was usually because they were away from their desk.SF In the age of more backend systems, this also seems to work well.  OneK potential problem is the big backend database system with jobs that run for K hours or days.  If the job can not be split into discrete parts that can beUJ rolled back and restarted, the jobs will be lost (under current clusteringK technology).  The ability to fail a session or job from server to server is D still not within current technology (although it might be possible).   -----Original Message----- From: JF Mezei Sent: October 31, 2000 12:44 AMM To: Info-VAX@mvb.saic.comE' Subject: Re: Sun "uptime" belly laugher      John Santos wrote:G > This transparent cluster node shutdown business that Kerry and AndrewEI > have been arguing about pertains to production servers, not developmentEG > systems.  Presumably, programmers know how to save their work and how H > to log in and out at will...  (I never log out, either, though my workE > station, which I use mostly as a glorified multi-session VT with an H > oversized screen, does lock itself if idle for more than a half hour.)  J If you plan to shutdown a node "tonight", then you can send a broadcast to all L users connected to that one node telling them about the shutdown, and askingF them to log out at their convenience and log back in , or reboot theirE workstation to be served by a node that won't be shutdown that night.    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:48:35 +00000- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>R Subject: Re: Sun MoonU) Message-ID: <39FEB193.88469402@bbc.co.uk>    Warren Spencer wrote:N   >Q >C> > Ingram acknowledged the weakness of SunCluster 2.2. "We wereG > investing...effort in 3.0 rather than continuing to flesh out all theG" > feature sets of 2.2," he said...  E Isn't that an admission that a product is being marketted that is not  fit to be marketed?A  = I wonder how that makes all those people who have invested in  SunCluster 2.2 etc feel. --6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk   A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.    ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:16:18 GMT ( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>4 Subject: Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed' Message-ID: <G3A9J6.3vu@spcuna.spc.edu>1  , Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> writes:R > "Sun servers lack ECC protection. "Frankly, we just missed it. It's something weN > regret at this point," Shoemaker says. Its next high-end servers, based on aP > new processor called the UltraSparc III, will have ECC protection; they are to > debut in mid-2001."  > E > 	There you have it folks.  After a number of months the crux of the @ > 	problem.  They left out ECC.  Don't you just hate overlooking? > 	a design consideration like that?  "It's something we regret 7 > 	at this point."   A-yup... yup surely do, surely do.P  K   In all fairness, many vendors don't provide ECC on cache. With much lower L density and static techology (compared to higher densities and dynamic tech-J nology in main memory) there are far fewer errors in cache memory, and forL cache reads the cache controller can usually reload the cache from main mem-) ory (depending on the write-back policy).S  L   It's when new systems running at even higher speeds, with increases in theE size of the cache, come out that you can run into problems like this.)  L   None of this excuses the apparent cover-up, but I can certainly understandM how the problem happened. And the quote above is a reasonable statement for a I system designer to make to other designers, but that sort of thing should I never be said in a general forum, or it'll be misinterpreted as folks are  doing here.   4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA]   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 08:52:35 -0500* From: young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young)4 Subject: Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed+ Message-ID: <FOHw3QndYCta@eisner.decus.org>   R In article <G3A9J6.3vu@spcuna.spc.edu>, Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> writes:. > Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> writes:S >> "Sun servers lack ECC protection. "Frankly, we just missed it. It's something we O >> regret at this point," Shoemaker says. Its next high-end servers, based on aOQ >> new processor called the UltraSparc III, will have ECC protection; they are toS >> debut in mid-2001." >>F >> 	There you have it folks.  After a number of months the crux of theA >> 	problem.  They left out ECC.  Don't you just hate overlookingi@ >> 	a design consideration like that?  "It's something we regret8 >> 	at this point."   A-yup... yup surely do, surely do. > M >   In all fairness, many vendors don't provide ECC on cache. With much lower.N > density and static techology (compared to higher densities and dynamic tech-L > nology in main memory) there are far fewer errors in cache memory, and forN > cache reads the cache controller can usually reload the cache from main mem-+ > ory (depending on the write-back policy).d > N >   It's when new systems running at even higher speeds, with increases in theG > size of the cache, come out that you can run into problems like this.  >   = 	I would agree if reality were a bit diferent.  Take the timeo? 	to do a net search and you can see the 8400 and other boxes in A 	that timeframe have ECC protected L2 cache.  So to me it appearslD 	that Sun made a VERY BAD (in hindsight... always 20/20) engineering? 	decision as Digital's 8400 predated the Sun UE10000 by severalH 	years.S  = 	And as a colleague just made the smirky comment as I pointed @ 	this out to him... "Heck, you spend a million dollars on a box, 	who wants ECC L2?"=   				Rob=   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 09:02:31 -0500, From: koehler@eisner.decus.org (Bob Koehler)4 Subject: Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed+ Message-ID: <0POowjuboHj+@eisner.decus.org>1  X In article <6whLsdl5xMmb@eisner.decus.org>, young_r@eisner.decus.org (Rob Young) writes: > 8 > http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2000/1113/6613068a_3.html > I > "Sun says it has finally figured out what's wrong. It is an odd problem / > involving stray cosmic rays and memory chips ,  E Which would be FUD, except that it desibes their own problem, so it'sr
 just bull.  F ----------------------------------------------------------------------? Bob Koehler                     | Computer Sciences Corporation== NASA GSFC Flight Software       | Federal Sector, Civil GroupEE                                 | please remove ".aspm" when replyingS   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:59:48 -0500=# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>-4 Subject: RE: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailedD Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD885@berry.mvpsi.com>  1 > From: Terry Kennedy [mailto:terry@gate.tmk.com]d > . > Rob Young <young_r@eisner.decus.org> writes:? > > "Sun servers lack ECC protection. "Frankly, we just missed c > it. It's something wer= > > regret at this point," Shoemaker says. Its next high-end Q > servers, based on ae; > > new processor called the UltraSparc III, will have ECC t > protection; they are toh > > debut in mid-2001."x > >a< > > 	There you have it folks.  After a number of months the 
 > crux of thewB > > 	problem.  They left out ECC.  Don't you just hate overlookingA > > 	a design consideration like that?  "It's something we regretD9 > > 	at this point."   A-yup... yup surely do, surely do.  > > >   In all fairness, many vendors don't provide ECC on cache.  > With much lower.= > density and static techology (compared to higher densities 7 > and dynamic tech-p= > nology in main memory) there are far fewer errors in cache l > memory, and forc@ > cache reads the cache controller can usually reload the cache  > from main mem-+ > ory (depending on the write-back policy).- >   H Without ECC, how would the controller know it had a bad cache read which' needed to be reloaded from main memory?R   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:38:57 GMTA( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com>4 Subject: Re: Sun's haunting ecache problems detailed' Message-ID: <G3B54x.B9p@spcuna.spc.edu>   % John Vottero <John@mvpsi.com> writes: J > Without ECC, how would the controller know it had a bad cache read which) > needed to be reloaded from main memory?r  G   Parity, with one or more bits. Re-fetching from main memory is likelyuF as fast as doing ECC correction, and if it's a multi-bit ECC error youI need to re-fetch anyway, so you may as well get going with the fetch from $ main memory and skip the correction.  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USA    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 11:56:47 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)$ Subject: Re: TCPIP V5.0A SMTP ACCVIO* Message-ID: <39fea56f$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  B In article <00103023555686@antinode.org>, sms@antinode.org writes:E >   Back around 8-NOV-1999 18:40:12.28, I reported a problem with thesH >TCPIP V5.0 SMTP (AlphaStation 200 4/233, VMS V7.2) symbiont dying whileF >trying to deliver certain malformed (typically junk) e-mail messages: >r >ALP $ start TCPIP$SMTP_ALP_01 > 9 >%%%%%%%%%%%  OPCOM   8-NOV-1999 15:49:34.24  %%%%%%%%%%%e  >Message from user SYSTEM on ALP< >-SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual; >address=0000000000000000, PC=00000000000712D8, PS=0000001Bc >bE >   I'm now up to VMS V7.2-1 and TCPIP V5.0A, and it appears still to A >suffer from the same problem.  Whenever a suitably nasty message G >arrives, the server queue stops, causing messages to accumulate in the ? >queue, undelivered.  It makes a nice denial-of-service attack.. >rG >   Is there a patch to cure this, or is it known to be better in TCPIPs >V5.1? >uH >   If any responsible person needs a set of *.TCPIP_ALP[_TEXT] files to? >reproduce the failure, I'm building up a fair collection.  Thep6 >work-around is to remove the queue-stopper files fromH >SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$SMTP], delete the queue-stopper job from the queue,G >and then restart the queue.  I'm getting good at it, but it's tedious.s  : I can only suggest: TCPIP V5.0A ECO1, MADGOAT'S MX V5.1-AX 			or hoping for a fix in V5.1   -- d< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888a< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:23:55 -0200a) From: fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.brn" Subject: TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOGL Message-ID: <OF4ED54EDC.A600F0A8-ON83256989.00389B69@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>  I Is there a way to disable the generation of the TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOGn3 files in the SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD] directory ???   I I have almost 1.000 (one thousand) queues an theses files are cumulative. 9 Today stopped a lot of queues and deleted 200.000 blocks.   H And every day I must purge the TCPIP$TELNETSYM.DMP;   (almost 20 files).H I would like to disable the generation if this file or redirect to other disk.m* I didnt discover a logical name, etc . . .   Regards,   FC   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2000 11:24:40 GMT1 From: "Kari Keronen" <kari.keronen@radiolinja.fi>h& Subject: Re: TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOG2 Message-ID: <01c0432d$6f8f8580$200ba8c0@rlhkikker>   I use   * $ DEFINE/SYSTEM TCPIP$TELNETSYM_LOG_KEEP 3  I to make TELNETSYM purge log files and keep only 3 latest. I haven't triediG what happens if the logical is defined as zero. The log file generation < directory can be changed by defining TCPIP$TELNETSYM_SCRATCH device:[new_directory].2   Kari Keronen  4 fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br wrote in articleC <OF4ED54EDC.A600F0A8-ON83256989.00389B69@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>...0 > K > Is there a way to disable the generation of the TCPIP$TELNETSYM_queue.LOGD5 > files in the SYS$SPECIFIC:[TCPIP$LPD] directory ???d > K > I have almost 1.000 (one thousand) queues an theses files are cumulative.n; > Today stopped a lot of queues and deleted 200.000 blocks.n > J > And every day I must purge the TCPIP$TELNETSYM.DMP;   (almost 20 files).J > I would like to disable the generation if this file or redirect to other > disk.3, > I didnt discover a logical name, etc . . . > 
 > Regards, >  > FC >  >  >    ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2000 16:32:50 GMT2 From: mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edu (David Mathog) Subject: Time for Xfree86?, Message-ID: <8tms7i$e6j@gap.cco.caltech.edu>  L Now that display postscript is going away there is one less reason to stick K with DECwindows as the primary VMS X11 distribution.  In fact, the only two H reasons to keep it around now are that it still offers Motif and that itI already works on OpenVMS. On the flip side, the number of supported cardsc? is tiny and the performance on some of them (the Elsa) stinks. m  J If DII/COE is all it's cracked up to be then presumably a port of Xfree86 J should be both possible and straightforward.   If we had a VMS version of G that we should be able to use a much wider selection of graphics cards.sE The DECwindows applications would still work as they would on OpenVMSgH (at least versions lacking Display Postscript, ie, all future versions.)  C The DECwindows guys could then presumably move some of the existing0J DECwindows extensions to that package and speeding up the code itself.  InI particular, they would move the OpenGL drivers for Compaq graphics cards.eI They would then have products that not only could be installed on OpenVMS K (and Tru64 - the same argument applies there) but could also be sold as add @ ons to the broader Linux/Unix market. Specifically, Compaq couldE conceivably sell some of its high end graphics cards for use on LinuxiL machines by packaging it with the beefed up Xfree86 server and the relevant  driver.t   Just a thought...d   David Mathog mathog@seqaxp.bio.caltech.edum? Manager, sequence analysis facility, biology division, Caltech     ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:09:20 +1100 / From: "Phil Howell" <phowell@snowyhydro.com.au>u Subject: Re: TLZ tapes3 Message-ID: <dduL5.11694$SF5.246655@ozemail.com.au>a  9 Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> wrote in messageMI news:791C2856E8FDD211BAFB0008C759919501A629B6@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj...nG > We backup our data on TLZ tapes. But sometimes when I try and recoverm data,rH > I cannot read the label of the tape and thus cannot see what is on the tapeshK > and do not have any other resort but either reinitialise the tape and useu itI > again or throw it (if it is of no use anymore) .... either way I end up:K > losing data ..is there any way whereby I will be able to read the data onnL > the tape even though its label cannot be read... or maybe just rewrite the > label of the tape ...??n >o >n& > Your help will be really appreciated >  > Nivr Tryl HELP INIT /OVERRIDEn andu HELP MOUNT /OVERRIDE: you will need (at least) oper and volpro privs to use this Phil   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:18:19 GMTo( From: Terry Kennedy <terry@gate.tmk.com> Subject: Re: TLZ tapes' Message-ID: <G3A9MJ.3z7@spcuna.spc.edu>l  0 Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> writes:M > We backup our data on TLZ tapes. But sometimes when I try and recover data,sN > I cannot read the label of the tape and thus cannot see what is on the tapesN > and do not have any other resort but either reinitialise the tape and use itI > again or throw it (if it is of no use anymore) .... either way I end up K > losing data ..is there any way whereby I will be able to read the data onrL > the tape even though its label cannot be read... or maybe just rewrite the > label of the tape ...??,  L   Do you happen to be running a DAT autoloader? I had a similar problem withI a Seagate 4-slot autoloader. I suspect a VMS driver issue, coupled with ae firmware problem in the drive.  J   I gave up and switched to a DLT8000 drive. The Seagate autoloader is now! happily working on a Unix system.s  4         Terry Kennedy             http://www.tmk.com5         terry@tmk.com             Jersey City, NJ USAo   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 19:21:20 +0010 % From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.aul Subject: Re: TLZ tapes5 Message-ID: <01JVZY1W4WDU005ZKX@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>    Phil,o    : >Nivlesh Chandra <NChandra001@itc.gov.fj> wrote in messageJ >news:791C2856E8FDD211BAFB0008C759919501A629B6@exchange01.govnet.gov.fj...H >> We backup our data on TLZ tapes. But sometimes when I try and recover >data,I >> I cannot read the label of the tape and thus cannot see what is on thed >tapesL >> and do not have any other resort but either reinitialise the tape and use >itnJ >> again or throw it (if it is of no use anymore) .... either way I end upL >> losing data ..is there any way whereby I will be able to read the data onM >> the tape even though its label cannot be read... or maybe just rewrite then >> label of the tape ...?? >> >>' >> Your help will be really appreciatedl >> >> Niv >Try >HELP INIT /OVERRIDE >and >HELP MOUNT /OVERRIDEn; >you will need (at least) oper and volpro privs to use thisi  J Surely your first command will destroy access to whatever was on the tape?   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development, 
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australia-   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people, ; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 07:05:09 -0500 0 From: Jim Jennis <jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com>0 Subject: Re: Tough times at the Sun homestead...D Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001031070509.00a07540@discovery.fuentez.com>  ( At 08:20 PM 10/30/2000 -0500, you wrote:4 >Interesting read...  Here's a portion of an article5 >from Forbes discussing at least one problem with the 3 >Enterprise server line.  visit the forbes web site. >for the complete article. >l5 >http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2000/1113/6613068a.html   K Yes, very interesting, but apparently Sun still has enough revenue to fully-> fund enterprise architects who troll comp.os.vms all day long.   Regards,   Jimt    8 --------------------------------------------------------7 FSC - Building Better Information Technology Solutions- 7       from the Production Floor to the Customer's Door.C8 --------------------------------------------------------5 Jim Jennis, Technical Director for Commercial Systemsi Fuentez Systems Concepts, Inc. 1 Discovery Place, Suite 2 Martinsburg, WV. 25401 USAe  # Phone: +001 (304) 263-0163 ext. 235. Fax:   +001 (304) 263-0702% Email: jjennis@discovery.fuentez.com r        jhjennis@shentel.net & WEB: http://www.discovery.fuentez.com/   ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 07:14:52 -05009 From: Kilgallen@eisner.decus.org.nospam (Larry Kilgallen)P0 Subject: Re: Tough times at the Sun homestead...+ Message-ID: <gXIyKRO+aCCb@eisner.decus.org>t  [ In article <39FE308A.A9F01E4@videotron.ca>, JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:e > "David J. Dachtera" wrote:J >> "Verisign still uses Sun for some tasks but has moved important systems >> onto IBM Unix servers." > P > Who now owns Verisign, and does that owning entity have a tighter relationship > with IBM than with Sun ?  G I believe there is no majority owner, but that RSA Security has a largeoF stake.  They are dedicated to selling licenses and thus not alienating any OS vendors.   L > With all the changed relationships in the .DOM arena with companies buyingI > others, merging , sleeping, generating offspring and generally having anQ > promiscuous life, I am not surprised if some companies change allegances often.   F Verisign just bought Network Solutions (operators of the servers underD discussion) within the past year, so in that sense there has been anC ownership change.  But Network Solutions comes under heavy scrutiny)' for every bit misplaced or unavailable.l   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:11:09 -04003- From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>g0 Subject: Re: Tough times at the Sun homestead..., Message-ID: <39FEC4EC.82AEA149@videotron.ca>   Larry Kilgallen wrote:R > > Who now owns Verisign, and does that owning entity have a tighter relationship > > with IBM than with Sun ? > I > I believe there is no majority owner, but that RSA Security has a largeeH > stake.  They are dedicated to selling licenses and thus not alienating > any OS vendors.c  K Was the SAIC sign claims Verisign to be part of its portfolio of companies. N Although I realise that they host the news<->mail gateway for this group, I amK wondering if they also spread the rumours that VMS was dead some years ago.dN Former customer of mine who is now with them had been told by their "analysts"$ to stay away from any VMS solutions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 18:56:46 +0010m% From: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.auo0 Subject: Re: VAX Mail question - corrupted files5 Message-ID: <01JVZX6G2T4Y005ZYO@tgmail.tg.nsw.gov.au>   O >Thanks for the suggestion; I was already familiar with that... unfortunately IeP >can't even try it to get additional evidence because I don't have an account on >the remote node.e >aJ >>As an unprivileged user, you may not have the necessary access to really >>diagnose the problem.a >iP >Access to the remote node is a real problem, but privileged access to the localP >node is not.  I know the guy who has the system password and he'll do anything  >IO >ask.  That's the good news.  The bad news is, he has less VMS experience than c >metN >(the experienced VMS guy left the company when they outsourced).  If anybody  >canP >tell me what what diagnostic commands to issue or what config files to browse IP >can post the details.  Again, any help is very much appreciated.  If I can nailL >this thing down, it will be sweet to debunk the "network bandwidth" answer.    P O.K., you know the system manager.  Ask him to give you an account on the other 0 node, and proxies from both nodes to each other.  @ As with others, the "network bandwidth" thing is a load of crap.   Outsourcing is also a load ....   Q I sympathise.  Our corporate is doing the same thing and corporate IT is falling d apart.  N I would have preferred to write privately, but (to a novice) your address did K not look genuine.  Can't you put an address in your sig, even if disguised?i   Regards, Paddy   Paddy O'Brien, Transmission Development,e
 TransGrid, PO Box A1000, Sydney South,  NSW 2000, Australiam   Tel:   +61 2 9284-3063 Fax:   +61 2 9284-3050& Email: paddy.o'brien@zzz.tg.nsw.gov.au  M Either "\'" or "\s" (to escape the apostrophe) seems to work for most people,c; but that little whizz-bang apostrophe gives me little spam.2   ------------------------------   Date: 31 Oct 2000 08:05:37 GMT* From: helbig@astro.rug.nl (Phillip Helbig), Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 Model 60 manual. Message-ID: <8tlugh$r6t$1@info.service.rug.nl>  H In article <5.0.0.25.2.20001030214443.00a9c848@pop.clsp.uswest.net>, Dan$ O'Reilly <dano@process.com> writes:   I > Is there one on the web, or does somebody have one they no longer need?y   This used to work:  I           http://cswww.bemidji.msus.edu/htbin/webbook/Hardware%20DocumenthI           ation/VAXstation%204000/VAXstation%204000%20Model%2060/DOC%5fCDo%           %3a%5bDECW$BOOK%5dd33vza30/    But now I get   "    File _protected_ against access  %    Linkname: VAXstation 4000 Model 60          URL:I           http://cswww.bemidji.msus.edu/htbin/webbook/Hardware%20Document I           ation/VAXstation%204000/VAXstation%204000%20Model%2060/DOC%5fCDi%           %3a%5bDECW$BOOK%5dd33vza30/e      Server: OSU/2.3    Owner(s): Noney        size: 1 lines        mode: normall   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:13:50 -0600 / From: Chris Scheers <chris@applied-synergy.com>d, Subject: Re: VAXstation 4000 Model 60 manualO Message-ID: <FCE7C1C22E28DDF5.95C1B13B930E816C.BE794ACBE4A1B230@lp.airnews.net>    Dan O'Reilly wrote:0 > I > Is there one on the web, or does somebody have one they no longer need?u  H I have one, but I need to hang on to it.  If there is something that you, would like me to check, I would be happy to.  F Also, there are VAXstation 4000-60 manuals on many of the consolidated documentation CD sets.  G -----------------------------------------------------------------------m$ Chris Scheers, Applied Synergy, Inc.  C Voice: 817-237-3360            Internet: chris@applied-synergy.com a   Fax: 817-237-3074    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 08:06:05 -0500 2 From: norm lastovica <norman.lastovica@oracle.com>; Subject: Re: VIOC max transfer blocks before cache bypassed-* Message-ID: <39FEC3BD.762A0AD3@oracle.com>   Alan Greig wrote:m > D > I'm sure this must be documented somewhere but I can't immediatelyH > find it. Could someone tell me what the limit is on I/O block transferH > count before VIOC is bypassed on an Alpha (VMS 7.2-1).  Also if anyone5 > knows if this changes in the extended cache in 7.3.M 	(+ 	XFC is a completely new beast.  Caches cani2 grow *much* larger (on one test system that I use,4 the XFC is currently using 8gb (half of the system's3 memory) to cache my entire test.  And, of  course, 9 any size I/O will be serviced.   $ SHOW MEMORY /CACHE  B Extended File Cache  (Time of last reset: 11-OCT-2000 17:27:40.94)A  Allocated (Mbytes)     8188.35  Maximum size (Mbytes)    8192.00oA  Free (Mbytes)            72.48  Minimum size (Mbytes)       0.23eB  In use (Mbytes)        8115.86  Write hit rate                 0%A  Read hit rate               82% Write I/O count        144078053 A  Read I/O count       278993748  Write hit count                0rA  Read hit count       229665096  Writes bypassing cache        12 A  Reads bypassing cache     5530  Vols in Full XFC mode          0TA  Files cached open          439  Vols in VIOC Compatible mode  56 A  Files cached closed       1231  Vols in No Caching mode        3 A  Read/Write ratio            65% Vols in Perm. No Caching mode  0b   > Alan Greig   -- t< norm lastovica / oracle rdb engineering / usa / 610.696.4685% reply to: norman.lastovica@oracle.com    ------------------------------    Date: 31 Oct 2000 10:42:00 +0100* From: eplan@kapsch.net (Peter LANGSTOEGER)  Subject: Re: VMSINSTALL Question* Message-ID: <39fe93e8$1@news.kapsch.co.at>  x In article <OF313D8058.6BD41287-ON83256988.0052697C@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br>, fabio_compaq@ep-bc.petrobras.com.br writes:D >Just to imagine  ... a few years ago I read that Install Shield was >developing a version 6 >of it's program to Solaris. Why not to OpenVMS too  ?  @ Better force your software vendor to forget "Install Shield" and! learn to love "Install Anywhere".e  @ It's a JAVA Tools for installing (JAVA) programs and I installed7 a few of such JAVA programs with it on NT4 and OpenVMS.    just my 0.02 -- o< Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER           Tel.    +43 1 81111-2651; Network and OpenVMS system manager  Fax.    +43 1 81111-888r< <<< KAPSCH AG  Wagenseilgasse 1     E-mail  eplan@kapsch.netH A-1121 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              "I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist"   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:44:14 +0000 - From: "POWERS, John" <John.POWERS@sema.co.uk>2> Subject: Was RE: Rdb on VMS reference? - now off-topic, pucker; Message-ID: <D30A62ABC710D211AEE100A0C9D615EE3164CE@REAES2>c  I I think this was a misssspelling of the adjective 'pukka'. This is commonYJ enough in British English, thanks to our Colonial past. It comes (I think)H from Hindi word for 'cooked', and means top-hole, spiffing or absolutelyJ first-class. Dunno if it has made its way into American English, seems not by the sound of it.r   - John   -----Original Message-----< From: jordan@lisa.gemair.com [mailto:jordan@lisa.gemair.com] Sent: 31 October 2000 15:05r To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come" Subject: Re: Rdb on VMS reference?    ) In article <39FD94D0.3FF543A4@bbc.co.uk>,e/ Tim Llewellyn  <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk> wrote:  >e >m >Alan Greig wrote: >) >> >>H >> Oracle have dropped plans to release a commercial RDB for NT. HoweverE >> there is an unsupported RDB for NT available for download from theS> >> Oracle web site.  Free to any licensed users of RDB on VMS. >> >iI >Hmmm, just why, if you had a pucker Rdb for VMS, would you want to run am$                               ^^^^^^  B pucker?  Must be some British usage with which I'm unfamiliar.  I F gather from context that it means something like "working" or "great", possibly "fabulous".  E My dictionary only has the verb "to fold or to make wrinkled" and the C noun "a fold or wrinkle in a surface".  No adjective.  I doubt thatt/ the adjective "puckered" is what is meant here.l   >free, >unsupported one on NT?o >r >h > --7 >Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project 1 >MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.sB >Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.uk >IB >I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of >MedAS or the BBC. >l >n   -Jordan HendersonI jordan@greenapple.como   Cheers. John  F  - Note  This message represents my opinions and nothing else, not theI   opinion of SEMA, my family, or the cricket club - though my dog Meg didoE   nod in agreement whilst I was typing. If you have any problems thenoD   please complain to her (or me, but not SEMA, my family or the CC).    K ___________________________________________________________________________wB This email is confidential and intended solely for the use of the H individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are E solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of n Sema Group. M If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received thishI email in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or  - copying of this email is strictly prohibited.v  E If you have received this email in error please notify the Sema Groupm. Helpdesk by telephone on +44 (0) 121 627 5600.K ___________________________________________________________________________0   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:06:13 +0000: From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>5B Subject: Re: Was RE: Rdb on VMS reference? - now off-topic, pucker' Message-ID: <39FEEDF5.7918E23E@fsi.net>5   "POWERS, John" wrote:0 > # > I think this was a misssspelling e   A bit of "key bounce", eh?  * > of the adjective 'pukka'. This is commonL > enough in British English, thanks to our Colonial past. It comes (I think)3 > from Hindi word for 'cooked', and means top-hole,e  G Americans have the expression "top notch", implying "as high as you cannF go". "Top-hole" almost sounds like something from a skin flick. (Don't( go there, literally *AND* figuratively!)  
 > spiffing  D Americans have the expression "spiffy". Probably similar meaning and derivation.?   > or absolutelyhL > first-class. Dunno if it has made its way into American English, seems not > by the sound of it.o   Apparently.    David J. Dachterao+ (Elmhurst, IL, US - look it up on Mapquest)-   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 16:57:01 +0000t- From: Tim Llewellyn <tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk>sB Subject: Re: Was RE: Rdb on VMS reference? - now off-topic, pucker) Message-ID: <39FEF9DD.D8C3FF42@bbc.co.uk>o   SysAdmin wrote:m   > "POWERS, John" wrote:e > >a$ > > I think this was a misssspelling >  > A bit of "key bounce", eh? >e, > > of the adjective 'pukka'. This is commonN > > enough in British English, thanks to our Colonial past. It comes (I think)5 > > from Hindi word for 'cooked', and means top-hole,s  F ah, it was a spelling mistake ! I must admit I'd never seen it written% down before. Sounds plausible anyway.   6 Tim Llewellyn, OpenVMS Infrastructure, Remarcs Project0 MedAS at the BBC, Whiteladies Road, Bristol, UK.A Email tim.llewellyn@bbc.co.uk. Home tim.llewellyn@cableinet.co.ukS  A I speak for myself only and my views in no way represent those of  MedAS or the BBC.d   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:08:07 +0400i4 From: Valentin Likoum <valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.ru>+ Subject: What could cause ACCVIO in malloc? 5 Message-ID: <15225479916.20001031150807@ncc.volga.ru>-     Hello,J I encountered very strange problem: last week one of the processes crashedH twice with ACCVIO somewhere inside LBRRTL\LIB$VM_MALLOC. It's the simpleK AST-driven DEC C programm serving multiple TCP connections. Long time ago InF noticed that AST-driven programms occasionally crashes on malloc/free,> so not thinking much I embrased each malloc/free call with theE setast(0), setast(1) to prevent non-reenterability (as I supposed) ofnH malloc code. After the last crash the first thought was (and still is) -F "bug in my programm", but I can't see any way how I could hurt malloc.F It takes single argument by the value and returns address of allocatedB memory in R1. As the ACCVIO occured inside malloc code, so I can'tA blame my code for assigning return value to invalid pointer. So Il@ stuck here. Any ideas? We use VMS/AXP 6.2 with mandatory patches installed, DEC C 4.1.y   Thank you.  G BTW, Flushing balls arrived to Russia at last! After I've lost any hopevE (too far, too cold). It occurs to be a very usefull thing! One of oursD programmers (smart guy) tried to lure another programmer (beautifullC girl) into the dark room with the reason "to show how it flushes inSG the dark" :-). He was pointed out that it's the privilege of the systemi manager :-))).   -- .
 Best regards,i  Valentin Likoum&  valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.spam_not.ru   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:28:29 -0500p# From: John Vottero <John@MVPSI.com>-/ Subject: RE: What could cause ACCVIO in malloc? D Message-ID: <C15945A9D9EFCF11BA8B08002BBF1CCC0CD887@berry.mvpsi.com>  L It is likely that your code is at fault.  Probably something like this:  YouI malloc 100 bytes but then store 110 bytes thus walking on memory which is.J used by malloc/free to keep track of memory allocations.  Some time later,L malloc is looking at this memory and gets bogus information which results in
 an ACCVIO.  J This can also be caused by writing to memory which you have already freed.   > -----Original Message-----= > From: Valentin Likoum [mailto:valentin.likoum@NCC.VOLGA.RU]s) > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 6:08 AMa > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com-- > Subject: What could cause ACCVIO in malloc?S >  > 
 >   Hello,; > I encountered very strange problem: last week one of the   > processes crashed'@ > twice with ACCVIO somewhere inside LBRRTL\LIB$VM_MALLOC. It's  > the simple> > AST-driven DEC C programm serving multiple TCP connections.  > Long time ago IvH > noticed that AST-driven programms occasionally crashes on malloc/free,@ > so not thinking much I embrased each malloc/free call with theG > setast(0), setast(1) to prevent non-reenterability (as I supposed) of.? > malloc code. After the last crash the first thought was (and 0
 > still is) -0H > "bug in my programm", but I can't see any way how I could hurt malloc.H > It takes single argument by the value and returns address of allocatedD > memory in R1. As the ACCVIO occured inside malloc code, so I can'tC > blame my code for assigning return value to invalid pointer. So I"B > stuck here. Any ideas? We use VMS/AXP 6.2 with mandatory patches > installed, DEC C 4.1.e >   Thank you. > < > BTW, Flushing balls arrived to Russia at last! After I've  > lost any hopeIG > (too far, too cold). It occurs to be a very usefull thing! One of ourSF > programmers (smart guy) tried to lure another programmer (beautifullE > girl) into the dark room with the reason "to show how it flushes ino? > the dark" :-). He was pointed out that it's the privilege of   > the system > manager :-))). >  > -- l > Best regards,r >  Valentin Likoum( >  valentin.likoum@ncc.volga.spam_not.ru >  >  >  >    ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 12:39:29 +0100 (CET)s: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>7 Subject: Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?hJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010311227160.28561-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  % On 31 Oct 2000, Lawrence Bleau wrote:0 [...] 7 +BACKUP/IMAGE/VOLUME=2 4MM:saveset/SAVE targetdisk:/LOGu +cK +I know that the files on this volume set were added in such a way that thedP +first member was nearly filled, then the second member added and nearly filled,I +then the third member added.  The files are added in lexicographic order O +(there's a date field encoded in the filename).  So, I know that the files for.M +the time frame 19990126 through 20000506 are on volume two, and no others.  o +cF +When BACKUP reported it had restored data set 20000506 I did a ^Y and +dismounted the target disk. [...]yQ +I next ran ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on the volume set, which gave me a strange message. hK +I didn't preserve the exact message, but it was to the effect that certainnO +files were not in any directory.  What worried me was that the files were .SYSn +files!- [...]-G +Note that these files' FileIDs say they are located on the 2nd volume!. [and are located on 1.]o  8  Regardless of rest - that looks as a bug in ANAl/REPAIR   [...the second...] +$ DIR DKB400:[000000]> +%DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening DKB400:[000000]*.*;* as input  +-RMS-E-DNF, directory not found# +-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such filea [...]oK +What has happened?  Is my only recourse to reload the volume 2 from backupu +again?h  C  Umhm... Disk block mode editor and insert the 000000.DIR to propers7 location of INDEXF.SYS ? Next find a place for BITMAP ?c,  No, probably the reload is much faster ! :]H +  Why did it not work?  Did my ^Y of BACKUP hose the restore operation?   IMHO - yes.h    Think a moment:F - the "special" system files (.SYS and [0,0]) are not really restored.C  The files must be created from scratch by BACKUP with valid data !dF - you have break the operation while BACKUP does "something"; probably@  one the "something" list was a generation of the system files !   +Thanks.    Regards - Gotfryd   -- tE ===================================================================== F $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=ME . $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================p   ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 09:00:24 -0500d& From: "Syltrem" <syltrem@videotron.ca>7 Subject: Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?o8 Message-ID: <weAL5.4893$Zq6.193731@wagner.videotron.net>  I Don't know for sure, but an image backup must also contain the INDEXF.SYS H and other .SYS files (because it is an IMAGE backup). Those may not haveB been restored yet, at the time you ^Y. Depends on the name of yourK directories:  [000000.AAAA]*.*  will be restored before [000000]INDEXF.SYS)r   That`s my guess    Syltrem   7 "Lawrence Bleau" <bleau@umtof.umd.edu> wrote in message-# news:8tleen$fje$1@hecate.umd.edu...0J > Hello, I'm having a problem with a volume set on one of my systems.  I'mJ > running OpenVMS V7.1-2 AXP.  The volume set contains 3 members.  The 2nd memberJ > went bad on me.  I have a spare disk, so I decided to use it in place of theaG > bad member.  I have an image backup of the volume set as of Oct 1.  Ia mountedeK > the backup tape, mounted the target (spare) disk as /FOREIGN, and enteredu the/
 > command: >a8 > BACKUP/IMAGE/VOLUME=2 4MM:saveset/SAVE targetdisk:/LOG >iL > I know that the files on this volume set were added in such a way that theI > first member was nearly filled, then the second member added and nearlyo filled,dJ > then the third member added.  The files are added in lexicographic orderL > (there's a date field encoded in the filename).  So, I know that the files for0L > the time frame 19990126 through 20000506 are on volume two, and no others. >nG > When BACKUP reported it had restored data set 20000506 I did a ^Y and-J > dismounted the target disk.  I then mounted the volume set, with the new diskK > in place of the old one, in the normal manner.  This failed with an errorsK > message that SECURITY.SYS did not exist; it did not say from which volume  it > was missing. > H > I next entered the MOUNT command again, but using /OVERRIDE=SECURITY . This0 > mounted the volume set okay and did a rebuild. >iH > I next ran ANAL/DISK/REPAIR on the volume set, which gave me a strange message.L > I didn't preserve the exact message, but it was to the effect that certainK > files were not in any directory.  What worried me was that the files werem .SYSL > files!  After ANAL/DISK finished, I looked in the [SYSLOST] directory that hada/ > been created on the 1st volume.  It contains:- >- > Directory DKA600:[SYSLOST] >u > BADBLK.SYS;1         (3,3,2) > BADLOG.SYS;1         (9,9,2) > BITMAP.SYS;1         (2,2,2) > INDEXF.SYS;1         (1,1,2) >c > Total of 4 files.- > K > Note that these files' FileIDs say they are located on the 2nd volume!  ItL > checked the second volume explicitly by doing a DIR volume:[000000] to see what4 > was (or wasn't) there.  I got the following error: >O > $ DIR DKB400:[000000] ? > %DIRECT-E-OPENIN, error opening DKB400:[000000]*.*;* as inputn! > -RMS-E-DNF, directory not foundo$ > -SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file >uC > It seems that there is no [000000] on volume 2!  (There is such ag directory onK > volume 1 and 3, btw.)  I know enough about VMS to know that I cannot justIL > CRE/DIR/VOL=2 DKB400:[000000] and have it work properly; the file id would be > wrong. >TL > What has happened?  Is my only recourse to reload the volume 2 from backupD > again?  Why did it not work?  Did my ^Y of BACKUP hose the restore
 operation?	 > Thanks.) >  > Lawrence Bleau > University of Maryland$ > Physics Dept., Space Physics Group > 301-405-6223 > bleau@umtof.umd.edu    ------------------------------  % Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 15:47:42 +0000n From: SysAdmin <djesys@fsi.net>n7 Subject: Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore? ' Message-ID: <39FEE99E.A0E738E0@fsi.net>e  " "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" wrote: > ' > On 31 Oct 2000, Lawrence Bleau wrote:1 > [...] J > +  Why did it not work?  Did my ^Y of BACKUP hose the restore operation? > 
 > IMHO - yes.b >  >  Think a moment:H > - the "special" system files (.SYS and [0,0]) are not really restored.E >  The files must be created from scratch by BACKUP with valid data ! H > - you have break the operation while BACKUP does "something"; probablyB >  one the "something" list was a generation of the system files !  E Yeah - gotta agree with Gotfryd. It doesn't seem reasonable to expectbF that you can CTRL+Y a /IMAGE restore and not expect the target disk(s) to be hosed.  ? Okay for non-/IMAGE, but CTRL+Y of a /IMAGE restore is a no-no.o   David J. Dachteraa   ------------------------------  + Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:37:31 +0100 (CET)s: From: "Gotfryd Smolik, VMS lists" <gotfryd@stanpol.com.pl>7 Subject: Re: Why missing [000000] after volume restore?lJ Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0010311730260.28561-100000@irys.stanpol.com.pl>  # On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Syltrem wrote:   J +Don't know for sure, but an image backup must also contain the INDEXF.SYS6 +and other .SYS files (because it is an IMAGE backup).  B  Not "exactly" - some info must be calculated on the restore time.D  Will suspect, that BACKUP saves only the headers and calculates the% data *after* the restore is complete.WC  The file headers (of all "normal" files) data (mean: RMS structuree@ and all the flag from SET FILE) are already in  backup save-set.H  Rest of the data (allocation, directory FID [DID] etc) from INDEXF.SYS > of the time before backup save is not usefull after restore...    Regards - Gotfryd   -- mE =====================================================================gF $ ON F$ERROR("LANGUAGE","ENGLISH","IN_MESSAGE").GT.F$ERROR("NORMAL") - 		THEN EXCUSE/OBJECT=MEe. $!                        GS@stanpol.zabrze.plE =====================================================================e   ------------------------------  # Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:02:51 GMTo+ From: rjordan@mars.mcs.net (Richard Jordan)F@ Subject: ZIC utility; ZIC.EXE missing; which component has this?2 Message-ID: <%WCL5.535$z93.76232@news.goodnet.com>  D A customer (whose system I do not have access to) is installing the C pieces for Bridgeworks; when installing DCE they got an error aboutOB ZIC.EXE not being found.  Per the V7.0 New Features guide, the ZICC utility is a compiler for creating time zone conversion informationu files from 'source' files.  A The customer is running V7.1-2 Alpha; I've not determined yet howuC they got there (install, upgrade from earlier versions, etc) but I kC assume they did a non-default install or upgrade and did not selectv@ whichever component includes the ZIC utility.  Anyone know whereB this piece resides and what might need to be installed in order to get it?  Thanks...   Rich Jordane rjordan@mcs.neto   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2000.609 ************************