1 INFO-VAX	Thu, 01 May 2003	Volume 2003 : Issue 239       Contents:; Re: $show system/noproc  delivers -> OpenVMS X9BY-R2Y   ... ; Re: $show system/noproc  delivers -> OpenVMS X9BY-R2Y   ...  Re: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ?. Re: Alpha FX32 could be itanium 32 bit kludge?* Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3& Re: Crocodile hunter to the rescue !!! DECwindows screen backgrounds ! Re: DECwindows screen backgrounds ! Re: DECwindows screen backgrounds . Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS. Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS. Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS. Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS. Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS Re: Faxing from VMS  Re: Faxing from VMS * Re: For European hobbyists with a DS10 ...3 Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 2003 3 Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 2003  Re: Help with Vest, Re: Host based shadowing on VAX VMS v5.5-2h43 Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6 H Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopolyH Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly Is FX!32 still available?  Re: Is FX!32 still available?  RE: Is FX!32 still available?  Re: Is FX!32 still available? 8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!8 Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!5 Re: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes... 5 RE: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes... 5 Re: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes... 5 Re: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes...  Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: stupid keyboard question Re: terminal printer1 Re: URGENT HELP REQD. : Problem in Ingres session   F ----------------------------------------------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:51:19 +0200 + From: Thomas Schick <schick.thomas@gmx.net> D Subject: Re: $show system/noproc  delivers -> OpenVMS X9BY-R2Y   .../ Message-ID: <b8p5uk$u3h$05$1@news.t-online.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: ^ > In article <b8k7qd$m4$04$1@news.t-online.com>, Thomas Schick <schick.thomas@gmx.net> writes:G > :Does anyone know an explanation for this [OpenVMS X9BY-R2Y] strange   > :version number? > H >   There appears to be a base image with a field-test baselevel around,I >   either individually or as part of an OpenVMS field test installation. I >   Or something or someone patched in the wrong version string using the F >   OpenVMS SYSVER tool; see the OpenVMS FAQ for details on that tool. > A This was a good entry point to analyze what happened in the past. E The system disk has ODS-5 format, VMS731_SYS V3.0 contains lowercase  C characters to execute sysver.EXE and I ignored the error messages.  7 Nevertheless the patch installation semed successfully.   
 Thomas Schick     K >   X9BY is a build baselevel prior to the build for the release of OpenVMS J >   V7.3-1, and the R2Y component of the version string is an encoding of C >   the associated OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 release project name: Ruby.  > K >   Without knowing the history of this system, it is very difficult to say L >   exactly what has happened here.  I'd first look for the erroneous use of >   a field test kit.  >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  >    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:02:11 +0200 + From: Thomas Schick <schick.thomas@gmx.net> D Subject: Re: $show system/noproc  delivers -> OpenVMS X9BY-R2Y   .../ Message-ID: <b8p6j0$7nu$02$1@news.t-online.com>    Hoff Hoffman wrote: ^ > In article <b8k7qd$m4$04$1@news.t-online.com>, Thomas Schick <schick.thomas@gmx.net> writes:G > :Does anyone know an explanation for this [OpenVMS X9BY-R2Y] strange   > :version number? > H >   There appears to be a base image with a field-test baselevel around,I >   either individually or as part of an OpenVMS field test installation. I >   Or something or someone patched in the wrong version string using the F >   OpenVMS SYSVER tool; see the OpenVMS FAQ for details on that tool.  A This was a good entry point to analyze what happened in the past. E The system disk has ODS-5 format, VMS731_SYS V3.0 contains lowercase  C characters to execute sysver.EXE and I ignored the error messages.  8 Nevertheless the patch installation seemed successfully.  
 Thomas Schick    > K >   X9BY is a build baselevel prior to the build for the release of OpenVMS J >   V7.3-1, and the R2Y component of the version string is an encoding of C >   the associated OpenVMS Alpha V7.3-1 release project name: Ruby.  > K >   Without knowing the history of this system, it is very difficult to say L >   exactly what has happened here.  I'd first look for the erroneous use of >   a field test kit.  >  > P >  ---------------------------- #include <rtfaq.h> -----------------------------L >       For additional, please see the OpenVMS FAQ -- www.openvms.compaq.comP >  --------------------------- pure personal opinion ---------------------------G >         Hoff (Stephen) Hoffman   OpenVMS Engineering   hoff[at]hp.com  >    ------------------------------    Date: 30 Apr 2003 17:56:17 -07000 From: chris_doran@postmaster.co.uk (Chris Doran)! Subject: Re: ADDENDUM: Keyboard ? = Message-ID: <948f0720.0304301656.34d60e00@posting.google.com>   d "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> wrote in message news:<CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJIIEHEHBAA.tom@kednos.com>...: > This is in a cluster so I can get at from another system >  > >-----Original Message----- + > >From: Tom Linden [mailto:tom@kednos.com] ( > >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:11 PM > >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > >Subject: Keyboard ? > >  > > H > >Have an LK401 KB attached to a 3000/300LX running 6.2.  I, er, spilltN > >some liquid on the KB so I quickly unplug to clean it.  When I plug it back > >it back in no response.  ? How thoroughly did you clean it? Last time I did this, I had to = completely disassemble the keyboard, and found the coffee had F percolated (sorry) _everywhere_. ISTR you have to remove all the keys,B open it up, and peel off several layers of thin metallised plasticB placing them in logical order for reassembly (digital photos are aB good idea). Thoroughly wash (distilled water if possible) and dry,C reassemble, cross all fingers and toes, and plug back in. It worked  for me; hopefully for you too.  
 Good luck,   Chris    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:59:21 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>7 Subject: Re: Alpha FX32 could be itanium 32 bit kludge? ) Message-ID: <3EB03929.8020201@vajhoej.dk>    Bob Ceculski wrote:  > interesting ...  > * > http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=9175   Hm.   ) Do you remember that FX!32 was a fiasco ?    Arne   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 04:08:23 GMT + From: Jeff Cameron <JCam90502@jcameron.com> 3 Subject: Changes in dismount sys service in VMS 7.3 2 Message-ID: <BAD5EBC0.7A64%JCam90502@jcameron.com>  K Were there any significant changes in the dismount system service in 7.3 of . VMS, specifically in dealing with tape drives?  J Here is why I ask. My company provides commercial software to many OpenVMSL customers that manage their tape volumes. Our software works by interceptingK the DCL commands INITIALIZE, MOUNT, BACKUP and DISMOUNT by means of logical E names and installed shared images. When any of the above commands are K executed, our code is run and we determine, first, if we are dealing with a L tape device under our control, and if we are, we then do whatever processingF we need to do and then pass off the actual operation to the native VMS service.  J In the case of dismounting a volume, we force the dismount to be done withL the NOUNLOAD option, so that we can then read the tape label again to see ifL the BACKUP utility has reinitialized the tape for any reason. Well, what hasH happened in 7.3 (and only on some SCSI DLT tape drives) that despite theF NOUNLOAD operation, the tape device actually goes offline briefly, andJ returns to an online condition sometime between the dismount operation andK the drive's physical return to BOT, at which point it becomes online again.   J This was never before observed in any previous versions of VMS, and we areG not sure if it is from a change in operation, or possibly just a timing A issue that we never saw before, but are seeing in some cases now.   I We have made corrections in our software to deal with this by waiting for K the online condition to return before doing our tape label post processing, G and timing out if the online condition does not return within 5 minutes : (allowing for a DLT tape to rewind and reposition to BOT).  E I'm hoping someone might be able to shed some light on this behavior.    Jeff Cameron   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:49:33 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> / Subject: Re: Crocodile hunter to the rescue !!! H Message-ID: <xFWra.31280$M81.22142@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  2 "Mark E. Levy" <melevy@attbi.com> wrote in message' news:FAPra.436702$Zo.99487@sccrnsc03... 9 > "JF Mezei" <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> wrote in message % > news:3EAF7C48.4E52BC17@istop.com...  >  > ...  > E > > What does this have to do with VMS ? Crocs, like VMS, may be old,  but they > are D > > extremely powerful, reliable and always succeed at what they try to do. > And E > > after a good meal, a Croc can go for a very long time without any 
 > maintenance  > > or other meals.  > : > UNlike a croc, however, VMS isn't exactly chewing up the competition...    D In keeping with the metaphors, it's because HP is keeping VMS pennedC up in a zoo rather than letting it cruise the estuaries of business  opportunities.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:12:47 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>& Subject: DECwindows screen backgrounds) Message-ID: <3EB02E3E.D4F31358@istop.com>   N I would be willing to make available some screen backgrounds/wallpaper images.   xsetroot -bitmap filename   M However, I would need to know what screen sizes and what image depth would be  needed ?   Is 1024*864 pretty standard ? 6  Or are there other formats that are just as popular ?  G And of those who run in colour, do you run in 8 , 24 or 32 bit colour ?    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:24:19 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> * Subject: Re: DECwindows screen backgrounds' Message-ID: <3EB030F3.CD636C19@vcu.edu>   H i usually do whatever the image is that takes my fancy at the moment... ? xv and windows 98 and up all can "stretch" the image to fit the ; screen..   currently I use goes-12 weather sat images as my 
 background...    JF Mezei wrote:  > P > I would be willing to make available some screen backgrounds/wallpaper images. >  > xsetroot -bitmap filename  > O > However, I would need to know what screen sizes and what image depth would be 
 > needed ? >  > Is 1024*864 pretty standard ? 8 >  Or are there other formats that are just as popular ? > I > And of those who run in colour, do you run in 8 , 24 or 32 bit colour ?    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:36:51 -0400 ! From: Jim Agnew <jpagnew@vcu.edu> * Subject: Re: DECwindows screen backgrounds' Message-ID: <3EB033E3.DFF212B9@vcu.edu>   H I meant in my other post, that any reasonable size and color dept should be acceptable..   D i use pics from 800x600 on up, and if the aspect ratio is reasonablyG close to the screen i'm using at the moment, i'm happy.  I refuse to be  picky... ;-)   (sorry about the double post)    jim    JF Mezei wrote:  > P > I would be willing to make available some screen backgrounds/wallpaper images. >  > xsetroot -bitmap filename  > O > However, I would need to know what screen sizes and what image depth would be 
 > needed ? >  > Is 1024*864 pretty standard ? 8 >  Or are there other formats that are just as popular ? > I > And of those who run in colour, do you run in 8 , 24 or 32 bit colour ?    --  F "4,000 years ago I made a mistake."  Elrond Half-Elven, in "Fellowship of the Ring"   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:01:43 +0200 6 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= <arne@vajhoej.dk>7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS ' Message-ID: <3EB039B7.10500@vajhoej.dk>    Sean wrote: D > We have an Alpha DS25 and want to have dual operating system (UnixD > tru64 and OpenVMS). Does anybody have any idea to do it. Thank you > very much for your time.  9 One at a time. No problem just install on different disks  and boot the OS you want.   : At the same time. If a 2 CPU DS25 can run Galaxy (I do not" know), then it should be possible.   Arne   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:04:09 +0100 * From: "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net>7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS 5 Message-ID: <b8pha3$coagl$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>   0 "Arne Vajhj" <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote in message! news:3EB039B7.10500@vajhoej.dk... 
 > Sean wrote: F > > We have an Alpha DS25 and want to have dual operating system (UnixF > > tru64 and OpenVMS). Does anybody have any idea to do it. Thank you > > very much for your time. > ; > One at a time. No problem just install on different disks  > and boot the OS you want.  > < > At the same time. If a 2 CPU DS25 can run Galaxy (I do not$ > know), then it should be possible. >   
 It cannot.F Each galaxy instance *requires* that it owns *all of* at least one I/O
 subsystem.L This means that on 'small' systems you need at least two totally independant I/O subsystems. J The Alphaserver4100 has 2, the Alphaserver4000 can have up-to 4, but loses cpu's to the '4100. H If I recall correctly, none of the ES* or DS* have the capability to run galaxy instances.      -- John Travell  VMS crashdump expertise for hire john@travell.uk.net  http://www.travell.uk.net/       --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).A Version: 6.0.474 / Virus Database: 272 - Release Date: 18/04/2003    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:17:41 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS 4 Message-ID: <9YXra.99353$v62.1108039@news.chello.at>  b In article <b8pha3$coagl$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> writes:I >If I recall correctly, none of the ES* or DS* have the capability to run  >galaxy instances.  9 The galaxy manual mentions the ES40 in its own chapter...    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:07:00 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3004032107000001@user-uinj0t8.dialup.mindspring.com>  K In article <b8ortg$kg9$1@aquila.mdx.ac.uk>, david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk wrote:    >To boot set the   > O >OS_TYPE console variable to  either UNIX or OpenVMS according to which you are P >going to boot. (you may be able to get away with booting with the wrong OS_TYPEM >type set ie booting VMS with OS_TYPE UNIX set i'm not sure what this console  >variable affects.  J VMS doesn't care about the OS_TYPE  environment variable.  I've heard that Unix does care.    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:09:41 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)7 Subject: Re: dual operating system Unix tru64 & OpenVMS L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3004032109420001@user-uinj0t8.dialup.mindspring.com>  P In article <9YXra.99353$v62.1108039@news.chello.at>, peter@langstoeger.at wrote:  E >In article <b8pha3$coagl$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John Travell"  <john@travell.uk.net> writes: J >>If I recall correctly, none of the ES* or DS* have the capability to run >>galaxy instances.  > : >The galaxy manual mentions the ES40 in its own chapter...  # Yes, ES40 can handle two instances.     ES45 doesn't support partitions.  E Partition support is in the pipeline for ES47.  I assume VMS and Unix 8 could run at the same time in different hard partitions.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:59:29 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com> Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS) Message-ID: <3EB00F01.D837285D@istop.com>   H PMDF also has/had a fax gateway (both inbound and outbound) as I recall.   ------------------------------  % Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 01:06:35 +0400 2 From: "Ruslan R. Laishev" <Laishev@StarLet.SPB.RU> Subject: Re: Faxing from VMS- Message-ID: <3EB03ADB.5050504@StarLet.SPB.RU>    Hi !D 	The GoldFAX is not supported in real life, last VMS guy left DPD a  couple years ago. 7 	I still using it but on VMS 7.3 it have huge problems.      Craig Cooke wrote:3 > "John Hayes" <hayes1966@cox.net> wrote in message 4 > news:TAPra.32128$WQ4.5059@news2.central.cox.net... >  >>Hi,  >>I >>Anyone know of software that would let you fax directly from VMS thru a H >>modem attached or intrefacing into windows faxing via pathworks or any >  > other  > 	 >>method.  >> >>Thanks >> >>John >> >> >  > 
 > Hi John, >  > You could look at GOLDFAX ?  >  > http://www.goldfax.co.uk/  >  >  > --
 > Craig Cooke  >  >  >      --   Cheers, Ruslan. D +---------------------pure personal opinion------------------------+2               Mobile: +7 (812) 116-3222/NMT/IMT-MCB     TKD (WTF) in Russia, St.-Petersburg - www.TaeKwonDo-WTF.SPb.RU0                  http://starlet.spb.ru/~laishev/   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:04:19 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)3 Subject: Re: For European hobbyists with a DS10 ... L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3004032104190001@user-uinj0t8.dialup.mindspring.com>  D In article <b8ooje$c40d2$1@ID-120847.news.dfncis.de>, "John Travell" <john@travell.uk.net> wrote:    L >Next is the question of support. The graphics eco adds driver level supportH >for the card to VMS, but what we do not know is how much VMS depends on >console level support.   I The console firmware doesn't get involved in loading VMS device drivers.  2 The most you need from firmware is benign neglect.  H If you want to run the console in graphics mode, instead of serial, thenI you will need a console with its own device driver to run the card in VGA J mode.  I don't know if all VGA are created equal as far as the firmware is concerned.  I sort of doubt it.   D Sufficiently old alpha systems may not be able to use the VMS deviceJ driver supplied in the graphics ECO, if it depends on features that aren'tG present in the system.  Byte/Word support is the most common of these.    But a DS10 should be new enough.  I The unknowable part (without trying it) is whether any given system has a I PCI infrastructure that doesn't play nicely with the Radeon card (or vice  versa).    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:51:08 GMT # From: "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> < Subject: Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 2003H Message-ID: <0HWra.31282$M81.13027@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>  > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message7 news:cf15391e.0304291759.5162026b@posting.google.com... B > "HP (NYSE:HPQ) is the No. 1 vendor of servers worldwide, with 29C > percent unit market share for the first calendar quarter of 2003, < > according to preliminary results released today by Gartner
 Dataquest.; > HP leads its closest competition by 9 percentage points."  > ; > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030428c.html     A I'm rather surprised that the article didn't mention, "HP - #1 in  OpenVMS Server Sales".   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:38:26 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> < Subject: Re: Gartner: HP is #1 vendor of servers for Q1 2003' Message-ID: <3EB07A92.B55DB541@fsi.net>    John Smith wrote:  > @ > "Keith Parris" <keithparris_NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote in message9 > news:cf15391e.0304291759.5162026b@posting.google.com... D > > "HP (NYSE:HPQ) is the No. 1 vendor of servers worldwide, with 29E > > percent unit market share for the first calendar quarter of 2003, > > > according to preliminary results released today by Gartner > Dataquest.= > > HP leads its closest competition by 9 percentage points."  > > = > > http://www.hp.com/hpinfo/newsroom/press/2003/030428c.html  > C > I'm rather surprised that the article didn't mention, "HP - #1 in  > OpenVMS Server Sales".  ; Would that not be like: "Ford - #1 in Crown Victoria sales"   H Who sells OpenVMS servers besides HP? (I'm talking about who makes them, not who distributes them.)   --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:32:29 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>  Subject: Re: Help with Vest ' Message-ID: <3EB0792D.9EAEB4F8@fsi.net>    PatrickS wrote:  > [snip] > David, > E > Thanks for your reply.  But this doesn't really answer my question. B > As you can see from the output of my vest/dependency command, itG > appears that Vest is looking for native executables for the RTL files H > in sys$common:[syslib].  Thus, I am getting "file not found" errors onB > vested images, such as VAXCRTL_D56_TV, MTHRTL_D53_TV, etc...  MyF > system logical table on Alpha looks like yours.  I have logicals forD > the *_TV images.  I'm just not sure why I'm getting the fnf errorsE > when running Vest/Dependency against an executable that calls those  > images...   F Perhaps, as you suggested, you may need to setup logical names for theF libraries being sought. Those LNMs should point their _TV equivalents.7 Note that the existing LNMs go rather the opposite way.   F > On a related note, when I attempt to actually convert the executableF > in question via Vest, it is translating with warnings.  The LIS file  > contains the following: [snip]  E I think you can save that part for after you get the RTLs sorted out.    FWIW...    --   David J. Dachtera  dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/    ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 00:10:28 GMT ! From: rob.buxton@wcc.spam.govt.nz 5 Subject: Re: Host based shadowing on VAX VMS v5.5-2h4 $ Message-ID: <3eb06536.11940389@news>  ? On 30 Apr 2003 06:23:06 -0700, br@b-con.dk (Bendix Riis) wrote:   E >Problem on a VAX 3100-80 running VMS v5.5-2h4 and installed patches: % >VAXSHAD09_U2055 and VAXSHAD12_U2055.  >   >After mounting with the command > = >    mount/system dsa2: /shadow=($2$dka200:,$2$dka500:) test2  > E >the shadowset is mounted and a "show device d" shows that $2$dka500: 8 >is the target of a copy operation and that "0% copied". > E >Nothing is ever copied to the target disk no matter how long I wait.  > E >If I copy files from another disk to the shadowset (dsa2:) then both & >disks are updated with the new files. >  >What have I done wrong?? F You've got the SYSGEN Parameter SHADOW_MAX_COPY set to 0 on all nodes?E This would prevent the shadow copy from starting, default value is 4. D Set it to 4 and you may need to dismount / remount the intended copy target to get it going.    >  >Bendix    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:11:37 -0400 2 From: rdeininger@mindspring.com (Robert Deininger)< Subject: Re: HP's enterprise strategy launch webcast - May 6L Message-ID: <rdeininger-3004032111370001@user-uinj0t8.dialup.mindspring.com>  H In article <LbSra.44281$w7k.26760@news04.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,$ "John Smith" <a@nonymous.com> wrote:  G >What do you think the odds they don't mention VMS in a meaningful way, " >ie. at least as evident as HP-UX? >  >I'm betting 3:1 against.   G Equal billing with HP-UX seems like an unfair request, since HP-UX is a ) bigger part of HP's business than VMS is.   . Still, I hope they do say something about VMS.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:31:03 -0400 : From: Charles Shannon Hendrix <shannon@news.widomaker.com>Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly . Message-ID: <7qbp8b.djb.ln@escape.shannon.net>  L In article <uj0tavg6e02kpljv4h60jl72ehvcbdh8lg@4ax.com>, Brian Inglis wrote:  B > Heavy weight processes are great for long lead time development,8 > especially when user death is a critical factor, as in? > military/aerospace/medical machinery control systems, but for A > non-critical process support systems, usability is normally the  > critical success factor.     I'm not so sure.  E I've seen the heavyweight processes completely screw mission critical E applications, and fast and free development turn in the product which  kept people alive.  A There is no silver bullet, its all hard work, and I think a heavy 5 process must always stop short of getting in the way.   H I know a guy who makes satellite computers, and he's seen Ada and formal2 methods destroy more than micro-meteors ever have.  E Not saying those things cannot be used right, but they are often used 0 to beat developers to death instead of problems.   ------------------------------  + Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:47:42 +0000 (UTC) , From: bhk@dsl.co.uk (Brian {Hamilton Kelly})Q Subject: Re: IBM says AMD dead in 5yrs ... -- Microsoft Monopoly vs. IBM monopoly % Message-ID: <1051738066snz@dsl.co.uk>   2 In article <6hNpsnsk8joS@eisner.encompasserve.org>F            koehler@eisner.aspm.encompasserve.org "Bob Koehler" writes:  F >    Concrete shipos they were in use during WWII, and concrete boats 7 >    are still built and raced by various universities.   C Back in the 1950s, when the Port of London was the area immediately H around Tower Bridge, there used to be a lot of lighterage plying its wayE back and forth to the larger ships in the various docks.  ISTR seeing E quite a number of these constructed of what looked just like standard I reinforced concrete (where the odd piece had been chipped off, presumably D in a collision, one could see the rusting reinforcing rods exposed).   --  M Brian {Hamilton Kelly}                                          bhk@dsl.co.uk F     "We can no longer stand apart from Europe if we would.  Yet we are@     untrained to mix with our neighbours, or even talk to them".M                                               George Macaulay Trevelyan, 1919    ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:49:36 +0200 ( From: "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl>" Subject: Is FX!32 still available?5 Message-ID: <b8p5s2$cd99b$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>   E I put NT 4 on my white box Alpha (it was once designed for that fate, J right). It would be nice to run Word on it as well. Which brings me to the/ question: where can I find and download FX!32 ?    ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:13:07 GMT 6 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER)& Subject: Re: Is FX!32 still available?4 Message-ID: <TTXra.99285$v62.1101288@news.chello.at>  ` In article <b8p5s2$cd99b$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes:F >I put NT 4 on my white box Alpha (it was once designed for that fate,K >right). It would be nice to run Word on it as well. Which brings me to the 0 >question: where can I find and download FX!32 ?   It used to be on% 	http://www.service.digital.com/fx32/ / 	http://www.digital.com/semiconductor/amt/fx32/ ! 	http://www.digital.com/amt/fx32/ H 	http://www.partner.digital.com/www-swdev/pages/Home/TECH/FX32/fx32.html( 	http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/fx32/  G but none of this links work now. Searching HPQ for FX32 yields only one ? article from 1999 with one of the links above, so no-go. Sorry.    --   Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER % Network and OpenVMS system specialist  E-mail  peter@langstoeger.atF A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 15:53:23 -0700 # From: "Tom Linden" <tom@kednos.com> & Subject: RE: Is FX!32 still available?9 Message-ID: <CIEJLCMNHNNDLLOOGNJICEJDHBAA.tom@kednos.com>    If you post your questionm here   " alphant@lyris.sunbelt-software.com  F I am sure you will get a copy, If you, I'll put it up on our ftp site.   Tom      >-----Original Message----- > >From: Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOEGER [mailto:peter@langstoeger.at]( >Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 3:13 PM >To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com' >Subject: Re: Is FX!32 still available?  >  > @ >In article <b8p5s2$cd99b$1@ID-143435.news.dfncis.de>, "H Vlems"! ><hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> writes: G >>I put NT 4 on my white box Alpha (it was once designed for that fate, L >>right). It would be nice to run Word on it as well. Which brings me to the1 >>question: where can I find and download FX!32 ?  >  >It used to be on & >	http://www.service.digital.com/fx32/0 >	http://www.digital.com/semiconductor/amt/fx32/" >	http://www.digital.com/amt/fx32/ > H >http://www.partner.digital.com/www-swdev/pages/Home/TECH/FX32/fx32.html) >	http://www.support.compaq.com/amt/fx32/  > H >but none of this links work now. Searching HPQ for FX32 yields only one@ >article from 1999 with one of the links above, so no-go. Sorry. >  >--  >Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER& >Network and OpenVMS system specialist >E-mail  peter@langstoeger.at G >A-1030 VIENNA  AUSTRIA              I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist  >  >---' >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. ; >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). A >Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003  >  --- & Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.: Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).@ Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003   ------------------------------  # Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 05:39:10 GMT % From: Milton <mbhewitt@optonline.net> & Subject: Re: Is FX!32 still available?8 Message-ID: <9hc1bvcqhdpj8t5ci7g9ocaov5b9o8qdep@4ax.com>  F On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:49:36 +0200, "H Vlems" <hvlems.nieuw@zonnet.nl> wrote:  F >I put NT 4 on my white box Alpha (it was once designed for that fate,K >right). It would be nice to run Word on it as well. Which brings me to the 0 >question: where can I find and download FX!32 ?  + I'm not 100% sure, but I think this is it.  7 ftp.compaq.com/pub/products/alphaserver/nt/fx32v1-5.exe      Cheers,  Milton   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:17:39 -0400 * From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! ' Message-ID: <3EB01342.53B5A1@istop.com>    jlsue wrote:G > To date, no AMD processor has appeared in high-end server systems for % > business-class, reliable computing.   H Same could be said of Intel who is also in its first venture in business server computing.   K > To that end, this issue of 32-bit apps is, imho, a non-issue.  All of the J > server-based OSs that I care about are 64-bit.  That's not just a niche,J > it's a few billion $$ (USD) per year (HP-UX, Non-Stop Kernel, Tru64, and5 > OpenVMS... oh yeah, and eventually 64-bit windows).   H That is the same mentality that killed digital: Unix will never hurt VMSL because VMS is so much better, followed by " PCs will never hurt VMS because VMS and VAX are so much better.   J The sad fact is that customers look for a box that can do the job. Why payJ 500,000 for a "serious" business computing box/server when a good $2000 PCI with linux on it can run the same software ~about~ as reliably as the big  expensive machine ?   K By restricting your enterprise serves to only the very high end where there L *still* exist applications that really do require those big systems, you are doing 2 things: I 	-allowing the vast majority of the server market to go to other vendors,  those who sell( 	 both low end and medium sized servers.  K 	-what will you do when your off-the-shelf PC will have clustering etc thatoM gives it the capabilities at $2000 that you are charging $500,000 for on your2 big boxes ?n  J Those who have won in the IT revolution are those who strived to lower theG cost of computing. Sun and Microsoft (for all their faults) are the bigsM winners (Sun in late 80s, killing DEC's workstation market) and Microsoft fore	 the rest.4  K Digital strived to protect its high end applicatiosn from being used on lowsL end machines to protect its cash cows. Digital no longer exists. had DigitalJ produced low cost workstations and gone towards higher production at lower, profit margins, Digital would still be here.  G Had Digital taken the Microvax II and truly made it into a PC sized andeI Apple-priced machine, DECwrite might be the "Word" of Today, and ALL-IN-1s! might be the "Exchange" of Today.e   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:26:39 -0400n* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs!B) Message-ID: <3EB0155C.FCF6E058@istop.com>    Bob Ceculski wrote:e3 > oopsteron?  You cannot run a datacenter on eitherl8 > oopsteron or 80,000 sparkies ... that leaves Power and; > Alpha and Itanium, but if itanium gets EV8-9 fuctionalityo" > then it will win hands down ...     M Bob, the question isn't who will get EV8-9 finctionality. The question is who.N will be able to implement and commercialise that functionality first. Concepts are concepts.   " And who will get to market first ?K 	IA64 with its bloated design that is different (EPIC) and delayed, slow tod market ?4 	Power which is a cleaner design and IBM behind it ?X 	8086 which is lean and mean and can be clocked to faster Mhz because of its simplicity?  K Alpha had been "first to market" because the design of the architecture had-N been made to be clean and easy to add all sorts of fancy widgets to the chip. M IA64 isn't a clean design, it is a compromise between Pa-Risc (and Risc chip)pL and 8086 (also a risc chip) but implemented as that EPOC thing that requires5 fancy compilers to get respectable benchmark results.n  M For as long as IA64 is playing catch up because it is delayed one generation,eK IA64 won't be seen as the industry leader. Alpha may have had the lead, but K with Alpha gone, the next in line to take the leadership position is Power.h  L And what about Sun ? Its chip may be as slow as IA64 or even slower. But SunE isn't affraid to market its own products and Sun isn't compromised bynJ Microsoft. So who will you choose ? HP with its unremarkable IA64 chip andD prducts HP won't even mention publicly for fear of competing againstM Microsoft, or Sun with its unremarkable Sparc but with great marketing and noc fear of broken commitments ?   ------------------------------  # Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 18:59:47 GMTl& From: Rick Jones <foo@bar.baz.invalid>A Subject: Re: Itanium Madison blasts Sun, IBM in encryption specs! . Message-ID: <D2Vra.88$5p1.51@news.cpqcorp.net>  P Andrew Harrison SUNUK Consultancy <Andrew_No.Harrison_No@nospamn.sun.com> wrote:C > Incedentally the best HP SPECWEB_SSL benchmark result on a rx2600 * > with 2 x 1 GHz 3 MB cache CPU's is 1230.   Nit - SPECweb99_SSL.  < > The best Sun V210/V240 number with 2 x 1 GHz CPU's is 833.  F There is no published V210 SPECweb99_SSL result.  Unless and until Sun? wants to publish one it would be better to stick with the V240.wC Public assertions of SPEC unpublished benchmark performance figuresiD for systems can result in requests for disclsoure, and since the max( RAM on the V210 is 1/2 that of the V240:  0 http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/v210/specs.html  = It is not a given that the V210 could match the SPECweb99_SSLt performance of the V240.  E > A Sun V240 with 8 GB and a crypto 2x 1GHz CPU's internal disks 4 GB2 > NICS costs 8K dollars. o  & How did you arrive at that figure? At:  > http://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=100055  F It lists the base price of $6,495, which includes 2GB of RAM in 512 MBC boards, the two CPUs and two, 36 GB discs.  If I then go to furtherwD configure the system (click the select box), and add 8GB of RAM (hasD to use the 1 GB boards since there are only 8 memory slots), drop toF the standard warrantee (the default selection is upgrade to three yearA gold for another $6200), and assume that the buyer already has OSnC media and doesn't need pre-installation, that comes-out as $14,170. F Now that does not include a credit for the 2GB of RAM that needs to beA junked from the base config, assume there is one and give it thatpA credit ($1590) and that seems to suggest $12,580, not 8K dollars.   D Where is the discrepancy?  It would be good if you could include theD public URLs you are using to arrive at your pricing figures so those, folks watching can double-check our results.  % > The V210 would be 500 dollars less.i  = And unless and until we see a V210 SPECweb99_SSL figure up on C www.spec.org we cannot assume it can achieve the same SPECweb99_SSLo result as the V240.i  B And even then you are still assuming an horizontal scaling for the> SPECweb99_SSL workload which has yet to be demonstrated by any published results.    F Finally, you have also left-out the cost of the web server software (a3 60 day try and buy on Sun ONE doesn't cut it). Per:t  7 http://wwws.sun.com/software/products/web_srvr/get.html   B It would seem to be $1495 per CPU, or another $2990 for each V240.3 Which would seem to take the price to $15,570 each.j   Per:   http://www.zeus.com/purchase/D  6 The cost for ZWS is $1700 for an up to two CPU system.  
 rick jones -- nG oxymoron n, commuter in a gas-guzzling luxury SUV with an American flagmF these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)A feel free to post, OR email to raj in cup.hp.com  but NOT BOTH...s   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 14:07:08 -0400C* From: JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@istop.com>> Subject: Re: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes...) Message-ID: <3EB010CB.D0D1996E@istop.com>    Robert Alan Byer wrote: M > One, is there a way in a DCL script to supress the warnings from the APPENDsL > commmand as I don't want the user to see them if I have to go the "append" > route?  N By default, VMS text files are variable length records. By default, Unix filesJ are streams of data (no records) and RMS breaks them up in records for youB based on presence of the <CR> and/or <LF> depending on attributes.   $HELP CONVERT file /APPEND  L (of HELP CONVERT file and look at the other options, including the examples.  J CONVERT/APPEND my_stmlf_file.txt my_vms_format.txt  will do what you want.   ------------------------------   Date: 30 Apr 2003 16:10:06 EST4 From: byer@cartman.ourservers.net (Robert Alan Byer)> Subject: RE: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes...1 Message-ID: <0ZUhT+ElSecx@cartman.ourservers.net>u  N Thanks everyone, I forgot about CONVERT and I used CONVERT/APPEND which solved the problem.  , Thanks again, it's amazing what one forgets.   -- -  @  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Robert Alan Byer | byer@mail.ourservers.net | ICQ #65926579 |@  +------------------+--------------------------+---------------+@  | Send an E-mail request to obtain a copy of my PGP key.      |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+@  | "It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.  It is by |@  |  cans of cola the thoughts aquire speed, the hands acquire  |@  |  shakes, the shakes become a warning.  It is by caffeine    |@  |  alone I set my mind in motion."                            |@  +-------------------------------------------------------------+   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 21:04:06 -0500v1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>a> Subject: Re: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes...' Message-ID: <3EB08096.52B6B78D@fsi.net>t   Robert Alan Byer wrote:l > [snip]N > Two, is there a way I can set the file attributes that dosen't clean out the > file?l  F Well, as I'm sure you've discovered, just changing a file's attributes in no way modifies its content:d  / DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ copy nla0: test.dat/alloc=18tG %COPY-S-COPIED, _NLA0: copied to DKA0:[DDACHTERA]TEST.DAT;1 (0 records)r DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir test.datc   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > TEST.DAT;1                 0/20       30-APR-2003 19:48:30.88  (RWED,RWED,RE,)e   Total of 1 file, 0/20 blocks.r( DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ set file/end test.dat DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir test.datt   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > TEST.DAT;1                20/20       30-APR-2003 19:48:30.88  (RWED,RWED,RE,)e   Total of 1 file, 20/20 blocks." DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir test.dat/fu   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > TEST.DAT;1                    File ID:  (9114,4,0)            . Size:           20/20         Owner:    [30,1]" Created:   30-APR-2003 19:48:30.88& Revised:   30-APR-2003 19:48:43.26 (2) Expires:   <None specified>m Backup:    <No backup recorded>i Effective: <None specified>f Recording: <None specified>- File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online JE File attributes:    Allocation: 20, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0u$                     No version limitE Record format:      Variable length, maximum 0 bytes, longest 0 bytest4 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:  Access Cntrl List:  None   Total of 1 file, 20/20 blocks.; DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ set file/attr=(rfm=fix,lrl=512) test.date" DJAS01::DDACHTERA$ dir test.dat/fu   Directory DKA0:[DDACHTERA]  > TEST.DAT;1                    File ID:  (9114,4,0)            . Size:           20/20         Owner:    [30,1]" Created:   30-APR-2003 19:48:30.88& Revised:   30-APR-2003 19:49:16.13 (3) Expires:   <None specified>a Backup:    <No backup recorded>  Effective: <None specified>r Recording: <None specified>s File organization:  Sequential Shelved state:      Online -E File attributes:    Allocation: 20, Extend: 0, Global buffer count: 0e$                     No version limit1 Record format:      Fixed length 512 byte records34 Record attributes:  Carriage return carriage control RMS attributes:     None Journaling enabled: None= File protection:    System:RWED, Owner:RWED, Group:RE, World:r Access Cntrl List:  None   Total of 1 file, 20/20 blocks.  A The contents of the file may no longer make sense to RMS, but thesG content remains. (In this example case, the content is likely garbage.)b   -- u David J. Dachtera- dba DJE Systems- http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/w   ------------------------------  $ Date: Thu, 1 May 2003 00:32:31 -0400  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>> Subject: Re: Question About Safely Changing File Attributes...5 Message-ID: <1030501000931.2697C-100000@Ives.egh.com>I  ' On 30 Apr 2003, Robert Alan Byer wrote:k   > 
 > Question...i > P > I'm working on porting over some Unix software to OpenVMS and I'm running into( > a little problem with file attributes. > Q > The Unix files are in StreamLF format, and of couse my VMS files arn't.  I need O > to append a file of code to the end of some of the Unix files, but when I usehN > the append command in my build script it complains about the file attributes2 > not being the same.  It works, but it complains.  + Not really.  It is a warning, not an error.w  P > I've tried doing a "SET FILE /ATTRIBUTES" but when I do, the file gets emptied > which does me no good.  C You definitely do *not* want to do this.  You have a perfectly goodgC streamLF file (whose attributes correctly identify it as such), andaD want to append a perfectly good sequential variable text file (whose< attributes also correctly identify it) to the streamLF file.  B Do you want to create a streamLF output file?  If so, then you areB all set, except for annoying noise.  You can suppress this messageB using various techniques (re-direct output, SET MESS/NO..., etc.),E but this could be dangerous since you might miss real error messages,o/ such as a disk hardware error or disk full etc.   C You can convert the sequential variable text file to StreamLF firstrC (or if you need a sequential variable text file for output, convert B the streamLF file to sequential variable.)  Then APPEND won't warn you anymore.  < The right tool for doing this is $ CONVERT/FDL.  Make a .FDL file containing:  2 IDENT   "15-AUG-1989 15:16:18   VAX-11 FDL Editor"   SYSTEM'         SOURCE                  VAX/VMS_   FILE"         BEST_TRY_CONTIGUOUS     no"         CONTIGUOUS              no"         NAME                    ""*         ORGANIZATION            sequential   RECORD#         BLOCK_SPAN              yesm/         CARRIAGE_CONTROL        carriage_returnn)         FORMAT                  stream_LF !         SIZE                    0b   and then  :  $ convert/fdl=STREAMLF.FDL append_text.txt append_txt.txt%  $ append append_txt.txt unix_txt.txta  = (Where append_txt.txt is the VMS file and unix_txt.txt is the- Unix StreamLF file.)  A Most of the above FDL file is noise; I lifted this from somethingo< else.  (14 years old and still works fine!)  I think all you= really need is the ORGANIZATION statement in the FILE sectioni/ and the FORMAT statement in the RECORD section.n  : Change the "stream_LF" in the FORMAT line to "variable" to convert the other way.  6 The easiest way to make an appropriate .FDL file is to9 $ ANALYZE/RMS/FDL an existing file of the desired format,u< but you'll want to remove any allocation options, file name, etc.   >  > So my questions are... > M > One, is there a way in a DCL script to supress the warnings from the APPEND(L > commmand as I don't want the user to see them if I have to go the "append" > route?  C APPEND doesn't seem to have a "/NOWARNINGS" qualifier.  SuppressingsH the messages by other means could cause you to miss something important.   > N > Two, is there a way I can set the file attributes that dosen't clean out the > file?o   With CONVERT...  See above.c   >  > Thanks in advance.   HTH.   -- l John Santosa Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 13:44:55 -0400 " From: Beyonder <beyonder@vrx.nbet>% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questiony8 Message-ID: <9k20bvc4fensf40caaaruilfqtvglpd442@4ax.com>  6 I have it plugged into a dec 3000 (alpha) running vms.$ tho the application is within telnet/ so I have some question as to control-] becausee5 that is usually the telnet escape key, which doesn't y do me any good.   4 basically, I use telnet to connect to a unix system,; and its in vi that I need the escape (for obvious reasons).>  # the tilda doesn't work. tried that.w4 and terminal settings seem to choose vt300 (or 320).* I'll go through the terminal settings, etc  B this is all within an xterm (I guess) right off the console of the workstation.   B.  E On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:29:06 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:tC >IIRC, this is the original VT220 keyboard.  How to make it send anmC >escape depends on what it is plugged into.  I think all VT320s and3@ >later generations, but not VT220s, can be configured (in SETUP)A >to send an escape when the upper left key (tilda~/grave` key) isgB >pressed.  This is how I've always set mine.  VT220s and later canC >be set to send an escape when the F11 function key is pressed, buta. >this is far less convenient to us TECO users. >n5 >When all else fails, ctrl/[ should work on anything.h > ? >If the keyboard is plugged into a workstation, then it dependsnA >on the application.  If DECTerm, it is an option in the "OptionsXA >/Keyboard" menu.  If xterm, one of the many XMODMAP's may do thes? >trick.  If your LK201 is plugged into a PC and you are using atA >terminal emulator, key mapping is done by the emulator; RTFM for3 >the emulator. > < >P.S.  Since the favored method of using the (~/`) key makes= >those characters go away, I usually set the comma and period-: >keys to send < and > when shifted (just like VT100s did),: >and set the (</>) key (lower left, next to the shift key)= >send tilda and grave.  The options to make these changes are@; >also in SETUP on VT320s and later, and in the Options menun >in DECTerm.   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:41:02 -0500 1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>n% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard question,' Message-ID: <3EB07B2E.D680490A@fsi.net>d   Phillip Helbig wrote:. > 9 > > My LK201s have the little slide-in strips to indicateS: > > what the function keys do, and ESC corresponds to F11.7 > > Apparently, you do not have one of these, so here's3 > > the entire list: > >  > > F1 = Hold Screen > > F2 = Print Screenu > > F3 = Setup > > F5 = Break
 > > F11 = ESC0 > > F12 = BS > > F13 = LF > I > IIRC, F11, F12 and F13 do not REALLY send ESC, BS and LF.  Rather, they-F > send some codes which are interpreted by many VMS applications as if > they were ESC, BS and LF.v  D If the tube is set to emulate VT100, they will function as labelled;& otherwise, they send escape sequences.   --   David J. Dachteraa dba DJE Systemsg http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/i   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:41:40 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questionh' Message-ID: <3EB07B54.4ED79C02@fsi.net>r   Bob Koehler wrote: > s > In article <63D30D6E10CFD11190A90000F805FE860492B13E@lespaul.process.com>, Mike Duffy <Duffy@process.com> writes:  > > 9 > > I've seen the other answers posted, but have not seenp > > this information yet:  > > 9 > > My LK201s have the little slide-in strips to indicate : > > what the function keys do, and ESC corresponds to F11.7 > > Apparently, you do not have one of these, so here's- > > the entire list: > >, > > F1 = Hold Screen > > F2 = Print Screen  > > F3 = Setup > > F5 = Break
 > > F11 = ESC  > > F12 = BS > > F13 = LF > G >    This is somewhat application dependent.  If I understand correctlyoI >    F11 doesn't send ESC, but some applications will treat it as escape.  > G >    Kind of like using Alt-mode on our Teledyne tty for escape so TECO B >    could be used on our PDP-10.  You just had to set it up in an >    initialization file.r  D If the tube is set to emulate VT100, they will function as labelled;& otherwise, they send escape sequences.   -- w David J. Dachteraw dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:47:24 -0500r1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> % Subject: Re: stupid keyboard questiono' Message-ID: <3EB07CAC.4E36397B@fsi.net>    Mike Duffy wrote:f >  > > -----Original Message-----, > > From: Beyonder [mailto:beyonder@vrx.net]* > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:49 PM > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Come% > > Subject: stupid keyboard questioni > >d > >s8 > > I have an LK201 keyboard and it just dawned on me... > >p, > > where the heck is the ESC (escape) key ? > >lG > > doesn't seem to be labelled. How do I do it? ctrl-27 ? compose-27 ?y > >nI > > I know its a real stupid question, and I hadn't noticed before today.  > >(" > > any help would be appreciated. > >- > > B. > >  > 7 > I've seen the other answers posted, but have not seeno > this information yet:: > 7 > My LK201s have the little slide-in strips to indicate 8 > what the function keys do, and ESC corresponds to F11.5 > Apparently, you do not have one of these, so here'st > the entire list: >  > F1 = Hold Screen > F2 = Print Screenm > F3 = Setup > F5 = Break > F11 = ESCr
 > F12 = BS
 > F13 = LF > $ > The remaining keys are unlabelled.  H I'm surprised JF hasn't piped up here. Anyway, from memory (which may be9 faulty), when the tube is set to emulate VT200 or better:m  0 F6  = Interrupt (equiv. to CTRL+Y in some cases)
 F7  = Resume?n- F8  = Cancel (Equiv. to CTRL+C in some cases)r F9  = Main Menu?A F10 = Exit (equiv. to CTRL+Z in some cases, can be mapped in EDT)-  H I don't have a "WPS-Plus" keyboard handy anymore, and I don't recall the others.J   -- e David J. Dachteraf dba DJE Systems: http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/n   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:55:41 -0400n  From: John Santos <JOHN@egh.com>% Subject: Re: stupid keyboard question 5 Message-ID: <1030430233054.2697B-100000@Ives.egh.com>,  $ On Wed, 30 Apr 2003, Beyonder wrote:  8 > I have it plugged into a dec 3000 (alpha) running vms.& > tho the application is within telnet1 > so I have some question as to control-] becausei7 > that is usually the telnet escape key, which doesn't o > do me any good.r  9 (NB: control-] may be a telnet "escape" character, but itr; is *NOT* an <ESCAPE>.  It is a <GS> character (Decimal 29). ; <ESC> is ctrl-[, decimal 27.  Most telnet clients allow you 9 to set its "escape" character to whatever you want.  BTW,t9 the default "escape" character in TCPWare's telnet client 9 is ctrl-\, decimal value 28!  When vi wants an escape, itn: wants an <ESC>, i.e. decimal 27, ctrl-[.  When you need to; get the attention of your telnet client (i.e. get a TELNET>3: prompt so you can change settings, etc.), you need to type@ the telnet "escape" character, whatever it is currently set to.)    : Okay, it's the console on an Alpha, so all the stuff about, VT220 vs. VT320, etc. is totally irrelevent.  ; First, are you running VMS?  If not, step one is to upgradet to VMS.  ;-)   What version of VMS?  7 Are you running DECwindows?  What version?  (If you are : using it without DECWindows, then it is in dumb, glass TTY< mode.  I don't know how to make it do *anything* very useful8 in this mode.  Certainly won't do anything that requires cursor positioning, etc.)h   > 6 > basically, I use telnet to connect to a unix system,= > and its in vi that I need the escape (for obvious reasons).t  = Telnet is a terminal-based application.  The keyboard mapping 7 depends on the terminal emulator.  The best under thesei= circumstances is DECTerm (running under DECWindows.)  I thinke' xterm can also be coerced into working.e  > As I said before, in DECWindows, use the Keyboard... menu item9 (under the Options menu) to set up the keyboard mappings.    > % > the tilda doesn't work. tried that.o6 > and terminal settings seem to choose vt300 (or 320)., > I'll go through the terminal settings, etc  G If by terminal settings, you mean the VMS "$ SET (or SHOW) TERMINAL..."y. stuff, I don't think that's going to help you.  D > this is all within an xterm (I guess) right off the console of the > workstation.  ? I would use DECterm unless there is a compelling reason not to.:   >  > B. > G > On Wed, 30 Apr 2003 01:29:06 -0400, John Santos <JOHN@egh.com> wrote:nE > >IIRC, this is the original VT220 keyboard.  How to make it send anlE > >escape depends on what it is plugged into.  I think all VT320s andHB > >later generations, but not VT220s, can be configured (in SETUP)C > >to send an escape when the upper left key (tilda~/grave` key) is D > >pressed.  This is how I've always set mine.  VT220s and later canE > >be set to send an escape when the F11 function key is pressed, butN0 > >this is far less convenient to us TECO users. > >l7 > >When all else fails, ctrl/[ should work on anything.h > >dA > >If the keyboard is plugged into a workstation, then it depends C > >on the application.  If DECTerm, it is an option in the "OptionsMC > >/Keyboard" menu.  If xterm, one of the many XMODMAP's may do theoA > >trick.  If your LK201 is plugged into a PC and you are using aiC > >terminal emulator, key mapping is done by the emulator; RTFM forB > >the emulator. > >-> > >P.S.  Since the favored method of using the (~/`) key makes? > >those characters go away, I usually set the comma and period < > >keys to send < and > when shifted (just like VT100s did),< > >and set the (</>) key (lower left, next to the shift key)? > >send tilda and grave.  The options to make these changes ares= > >also in SETUP on VT320s and later, and in the Options menui > >in DECTerm. >  >  >    -- i John Santosl Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:49:51 -0500u1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net>s Subject: Re: terminal printer ' Message-ID: <3EB07D3E.D9DDA955@fsi.net>-   Igor wrote:- > L > Can I get information about printer connected to my terminal. I would likeL > to make procedure which can recognize what type of printer is connected to > terminal.o  B This used to be a FAQ. I don't recall ever hearing of a successful# solution. Perhaps someone else has.2   -- 8 David J. DachteraI dba DJE Systems  http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/r   ------------------------------  % Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:57:05 -0500s1 From: "David J. Dachtera" <djesys.nospam@fsi.net> : Subject: Re: URGENT HELP REQD. : Problem in Ingres session' Message-ID: <3EB07EF1.9704B7E3@fsi.net>i   Kunal wrote: >  > Hi,r > I > In  trying to connect to an INGRES database thro' a VAX Pascal program,r$ > I am getting the following error : > J > %SYSTEM-F-RADRMOD, reserved addressing fault at PC=00687128,PSL=03C00000 >  > The commands involved are  : >  > ##   Ingres    <DatabaseName>i3 > ##   SET LOCKMODE SESSION WHERE READLOCK = NOLOCKe > C > The database name is valid - I can't figure out what could be thetI > problem or even what a reserved addressing fault means in this context.a > H > Could anyone please suggest what this error  means in this context, orF > at least suggest a few things I might check up to figure out what is > going wrong ?M  B Well, this probably doesn't help much, but did you try looking at:   $ HELP/MESSAGE RADRMOD   ...?   -- e David J. Dachterae dba DJE Systemsr http://www.djesys.com/  ( Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/e   ------------------------------   End of INFO-VAX 2003.239 ************************